[00:01] nini everyone [00:03] ScottK: I'm surprised it didn't before [00:03] sweet dreams Mamarok [00:17] yuriy: did you ask pitti about keeping apport on for some apps? [00:38] Riddell: no i haven't. right now I don't think using it is a good idea actually -- there are two crashes and a hang in apport-kde, one we can't fix and one can't reproduce but have many reports [00:39] this pykde thing is a real bugger because it effects most of our pykde stuff [00:40] Riddell: It used it's own internal crash handler before (which it will still use if it's built without KDE support) [00:43] * Riddell blogs http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4074 [00:43] yuriy: what's the issue with getting userconfig upstream? [00:44] procrastination, mostly [00:44] what's the best way to import something from bzr to svn? [00:44] svn add and ignore the history is what I tend to do [00:45] just point to the bzr archive in the comment [00:45] well... that's one way to do it I guess. is it reasonable to then keep bzr as the main dev branch or would people not like that? [00:46] it could be like system-config-printer-kde where it's developed in bzr when KDE is in freezes [00:48] Riddell: arora doesn't do java which was a showstopper as well :) (as I read yer blog mr evil genius') :P [00:51] tbh konq sucks a java too [00:52] *at java [00:54] but it runs [00:54] arora doesnt support period at this point [00:55] needs new webkit [00:57] also, our translations aren't as good as upstream's yet [00:57] almost, but not quite there yet [00:57] i should add the kdeqt issue to my bugs to watch for release [00:58] actually firefox sucks at java too. i usually end up using FF/windows. which sucks at java too in that it hard hangs the whole system sometimes, but at least works most of the time [00:58] The kdeqt pot fixes a few issues, but instances "Shift" in menu shortcuts are still untranslated in spanish [00:59] "Shift" being translated in both kdeqt.po and kdelibs4.po [00:59] it's possible that java just sucks [01:00] eh beats flash [01:00] * rgreening agrees with Riddell [01:00] hmmm... [01:03] Hey guys [01:03] The beta download... [01:03] kpackagekit will not allow you to download updates [01:03] It states that you do not have the priviladges. [01:04] DarkwingDuck: known issue, apt-get install kdebase-workspace-bin on the command line should fix it [01:05] I know that. I am just surprised that this hasn't been added to the .iso so people downloading wont run into it. [01:05] we can't add to an ISO [01:05] ? [01:06] ok [01:07] * Riddell snoozes === yofel_ is now known as yofel [02:34] I'd appreciate it if people could look at Bug 446826 and chime in if they have any bright ideas. [02:34] Launchpad bug 446826 in plasma-netbook "Plasma-netbook blank screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/446826 [02:53] That and a big chunk of the icons are missing for the netbook app launcher [02:58] ScottK: kdeadmin is still 4.3.1 in main [02:58] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeadmin [02:58] https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdeadmin/ubuntu [02:59] Ooops [02:59] yes, oops :) [02:59] Once I get the netbook launcher figured out I'll look into uploading that one too. [02:59] ok [02:59] Unless nixternal gets to it before I do. [04:00] lex79: When you have an unreleased changelog entry like you did in this case, combine it with yours. I've fixed it up and so you can check what I did. [04:03] lex79: Was it you working on Qt 4.5.3? Debian fixed there's. [04:03] ScottK: I'm building now :) [04:04] Great. [04:05] Anyone around? [04:06] Need help pin-pointing something [04:07] oh, forgot to merge harald's changelog, thanks [04:07] Hey DarkwingDuck. Looks like I've got the same problem you do. [04:07] It's the right side that is missing [04:08] you know... I used to look at the days countdown until release and wait with anticipation [04:08] now I look at the days countdown and go ... oh jesus. .. not enough time! [04:24] heh [04:25] You know, that gentlebot in the Krita announcement is pretty sweet [04:26] JontheEchidna: Any ideas about what might have changed in 4.3.2 to cause several catagories and a bunch of apps to go missing from the netbook app launcher? [04:27] not off the top of my head. lemme check the changelog and see if anything jumps out [04:27] Thanks. [04:28] The kind of odd thing is the stuff went missing today, not on tuesday [04:29] mm, nothing in the changelog jumps out as suspicious [04:29] Weird. Well we got two people with it. [04:31] Shoot got it back. [04:31] ScottK: I uploaded qt in bzr [04:32] Toggled compositing off and then on [04:32] ok... w/e i was going to get done over the weekend.. not happening [04:32] lex79: OK. [04:35] JontheEchidna: I think it's kwin's fault. [04:36] If I toggle effects off/on then the missing apps reappear, but if if I switch to a different app list and then back, the problem recurs until I toggle compositing again. [04:39] ScottK: Bug launched [04:40] ScottK: only note, I removed in 4.3.2 libxcomposite-dev and libxdamage-dev from kdeplasma-addons, I added in 4.3.0 for building lancelot compositing, but no need now. Maybe cause your bug? [04:40] DarkwingDuck: Do you get stuff back temporariliy if you toggle effects [04:40] lex79: Perhaps. [04:41] ScottK: Yes [04:41] wee [04:41] lex79: Would you be up for making a PPA build with that put back? [04:42] ScottK: but then kdeinit4 crashed instantly [04:42] ScottK: wich ppa? [04:43] DarkwingDuck: Same here, but just the first time i tried it. [04:43] It's not a solution, but it's a good hint. [04:43] Yeah, I'll add a comment to my bug. [04:43] Did you get the bug? [04:43] URL? [04:44] * JontheEchidna notes that whenever apport says kdeinit4 crashes, it's almost never kdeinit4 but a child process [04:44] DarkwingDuck: I did [04:45] Looking at it now. [04:46] lex79: PPA of your choice. How about kubuntu-members (it's currently unused. [04:46] ok [04:46] ScottK: You want me to add the comment with Desktop effects or do you want to do it? [04:47] DarkwingDuck: I'm adding that. [04:47] ScottK: here is the bug I filed for the crash: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/446910 [04:47] Launchpad bug 446910 in kde4libs "kdeinit4 crashed with signal 7 in KPixmapCache::Private::mmapFile()" [Undecided,New] [04:58] lex79: kdeadmin uploaded. Thank you for noticing. [04:59] that crash has been around for a while, and unfortunately became more common in 4.3 even after a supposed fix from upstream^ [05:01] it happens here several times when toggle effects [05:01] uploaded here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/+archive/ppa [05:05] Be back in a few [05:10] lex79: Thanks. [05:10] no problem [05:13] lex79: qt4-x11 looks sensible. I'll upload that shortly. [05:14] ok, hope it fixed :) [05:24] lex79: It's uploaded. Me too. [05:26] build finished in ppa [05:27] Thanks. [05:29] lex79: Which binary did those go in? [05:32] I think in plasma-dataengines-addons [05:34] I just upgraded to whatever was in the PPA, so we'll see [05:35] Nope. Didn't fix it. [05:35] Thanks for trying though. [05:35] oh :( [05:37] uhm qt4 ftbs on lpia, same issue there was last upload [05:38] Argh. [05:39] * ScottK gives up and goes to bed. [05:39] Good night. [05:39] night [08:33] Riddell: network manager seems to work ok here (sorry got distracted last night :() [09:45] someone could enlight me on qt and the no-separate-debug-info changes ? [09:45] I wonder how debug packages can be generated as default build is release and debug isn't passed. [09:55] Riddell: ^^^ somebody to hint ? I would like to merge it for Qt 4.6 [10:12] Riddell: well, forget it. I understand the trick -> strip [11:04] JontheEchidna: ping ? [11:04] JontheEchidna: the patch works :) [11:04] haha === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ [11:16] fabo: yeah it's just stripped like any other library [11:17] fabo: do you know what the issue is with our current build failure? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/33338574/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.qt4-x11_4.5.3-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [11:54] Riddell: Any thoughts on Bug 446905? [11:54] Launchpad bug 446905 in plasma-netbook "Missing applications on desktop launcher" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/446905 [11:54] It seems kwin related to me since it's affected by toggling effects. [11:56] ScottK: do you have a screenshot of that? [11:56] I don't see how compositing could affect that [11:56] mgraesslin: I can make one. [11:56] it's all within one plasma window [11:57] sometimes Plasma has problems when compositing is turned off [11:57] but the icons shouldn't be affected [12:02] http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/kne_missing.png [12:02] Maybe compositing was a red herring. Today toggling it didn't do anything [12:03] that has icons in it [12:03] Not all of them [12:03] System is missing [12:05] Here's the internet section: http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/kne_internet.png [12:06] It's missing a bunch, including konqueor (which I manually added to my favorites section to show it still exists) [12:06] Riddell: ^^ [12:06] strange [12:06] but shouldn't be related to Compositing [12:06] Last night I could get them to reappear for a bit by toggling compositing. [12:07] No idea what that means. [12:14] hum knetworkmanager doesn't handle my eth0 carad properly.... [12:15] is that know regression ? [12:15] stays locked on "ifupdown (eth0)" [12:21] sorry disconnected... so am I the only one with a problem with knm and eth0 ? [12:26] Riddell: I have the same issue (rc bug reported). Only reproducible on buildds. It builds fine on pbuilder. I'm digging into the issue since yesterday. My first attempt to fix the issue failed. [12:32] Tonio_: yes you're the only one (that I know of) [12:34] Riddell: kk :) === bdefreese2 is now known as bddebian [13:46] Tonio_: sweet [14:00] JontheEchidna, sorry for not having responded to your e-mail on kubuntu-devel earlier re: kpackagekit. I can try to sort out the domain name now. What's the source package name? [14:00] dpm: kpackagekit :) [14:00] that's an easy one, then :) [14:00] yep [14:02] JontheEchidna, I'm going to change the domain name from 'KPackageKit' to 'kpackagekit'. Is that the correct domain name now, is there anything else needed? [14:03] dpm: that's correct. let me do a quick check to see if anything else needs done [14:03] knetworkmanager's config dialog strangely got translations, so that's good [14:04] JontheEchidna, ok, I've changed the domain name now [14:04] thx [14:05] dpm: ok, that should be all that I know about that needs changing [14:10] JontheEchidna, great, thanks a lot [14:12] I want to check, 'cause I just updated to 9.10 beta and I lost ccmake, is ccmake missing? [14:12] it's in cmake-gui [14:12] cmake-curses-gui [14:13] ah, thanks Riddell [14:14] hi...i've got a question.. [14:16] the program updater says to me that i have to install 10 updates, but if i type in the konsole apt-get ... upgrade, it says that they can't be upgraded.. [14:17] these packages are kdebase-workspace-bin kdebase-workspace-data kdebase-workspace-kgreet-plugins [14:17] kdm kubuntu-desktop linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic [14:17] plasma-dataengines-workspace plasma-widgets-workspace [14:33] random_: dist-upgrade probably.... cause it needs to remove or add something new [14:34] I think kpackagekit may be doing that automatically now [14:34] 'may' [14:34] :) [14:34] kpackagekit can add new stuff on upgrades, just not remove [14:34] kpackagekit doesn't work at all..xD [14:34] it should be working with the latest updates [14:34] it does... [14:35] yet [14:35] ok dist-upgrade works..:) [14:35] just not always at 100% of what is required [14:35] :) [14:35] JontheEchidna: the qt fix works :) [14:35] JontheEchidna: there is only one problem... you need to drag twice for it to work.. for each app [14:35] JontheEchidna: I have a build in the run to fix this... [14:36] aptcc already can remove your packages, and hopefully in a few time will show debconf [14:36] random_: ah, and it's not kpackagekit fault. [14:36] right, I should say packagekit can't remove packages on upgrades [14:36] Tonio_: :) [14:37] JontheEchidna: 1 year of tracking... and it's almost done :) [14:37] dantti: would you happen to know whether it's a frontend or backend thing to be able to show warnings for unauthenticated packages before they're installed? [14:37] right now it's more like "punk'd! you installed an unauthenticated package" [14:38] since the warning shows after the installation is complete [14:39] JontheEchidna: backend thing, if it's Pk 0.4.x there is no other way, if it's Pk 0.5.x a dialog show be show (aptcc does this) if it's not showing then it's a backend missing feature [14:39] dantti: thanks. here's to hoping for a speedy policykit-1 frontend then :) [14:40] rgreening: do-release-upgrade had a problem with openoffice [14:42] txwikinger_work: what error? [14:43] rgreening: A cyclic dependency with openoffice.org-filters-binfilters or something like that [14:44] dunno.. JontheEchidna any ideas? [14:44] I don't know OOo stuff :( [14:44] * rgreening neither [14:44] shtylman: might... [14:57] Are we going to see a bootsplash for Kubuntu 9.10 now feature/artwork freeze have passed? [14:58] we really should have an FAQ about that [15:01] That would be nice... :) [15:01] And the short answer is? [15:01] the idea is that X starts so quickly you don't need a splash, a splash would just delay things more [15:01] whether this works in practice is unclear [15:01] lol [15:02] I wonder how quickly would be quickly "enough"? I seem to remember 10 seconds bandied around somewhere... [15:05] Riddell: currently working on koffice, I was not at home yesterday, so I am a little bit late [15:11] Riddell: I have a fix, not tested yet. Drop -fast to generate all Makefiles including the bootstrap. [15:11] if you could test on buildd, let me know. [15:11] fabo: sure I put put it into a PPA [15:12] on my side, I try to have a buildd access as I can't reproduce in pbuilder [15:13] otherwise, I merged the debug stuff in my 4.6-stable branch [15:14] thanks [15:17] gosh, emacs just started up with oxygen icons, spooky [15:18] --MARK-- [15:20] good morning [15:20] Riddell: emacs -nw === yofel_ is now known as yofel [16:34] shtylman: what's the status of your openoffice file dialogue fixes getting into our packages? [16:42] Someone highlight me please. I think MI might work in Quassel now. [16:43] ScottK: Loser [16:43] hi ScottK [16:43] ScottK: don't listen to davmor2, he's from wolverhampton [16:44] Yes, of course. [16:44] Seems to work. [16:44] yay [16:45] hey you lose if it works and you lose if it doesn't. Lose if it does cause you have no excuse for missing messages, lose if it does because it doesn't :P [16:45] second should be doesn't [16:45] Please ping me again. [16:45] pin ScottK [16:46] ScottK: Ping [16:46] Ouch [16:46] honk ScottK [16:46] One more time please. [16:46] toot ScottK [16:46] ahoy ScottK [16:46] awooga ScottK [16:47] Thanks [16:47] Riddell: We still have the focus stealing prevention problem that agateau was going to work on. [16:48] Also It doesn't seem to collect anything if you have Quassel in focus, but are in another channel. [16:50] ScottK: agateau just did a new plasma-widget-indicatordisplay, dunno if that's related [16:50] presumably not, that would need to be quassel patches [16:50] I think it would be in Quassel. [16:55] ScottK: those are different types of notifications (focused/nonfocused) [16:55] maybe you have configurered them differently? [16:55] I think by default we don't notify if Quassel is focused [16:57] Not by default, but it's a nice option. [16:57] Since MI doesn't have options, it might be good if it just did it. [16:59] I'd really like it if the focus prevention stealing thing got fixed though as that would help both MI and regular notification uses. [17:02] JontheEchidna: are you working on qtcurve?new upstream release [17:03] lex79: I haven't done anything yet, it's all yours [17:03] just make sure to get both kde and gtk styles ;-) [17:04] :P ok, we need FFe for both [17:08] lex79: do we want/need it? [17:09] ScottK: aaah, I see, so it's configured in your KNotification stuff, but MI ignores that setting? [17:09] upstream seems fixed many issue http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/QtCurve+%28KDE4%2C+KDE3%2C+%26+Gtk2+Theme%29?content=40492 [17:09] Yes [17:09] k [17:12] lex79: only worrying thing there is "2. Config files now stored under $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/qtcurve (e.g. ~/.config/qtcurve)" do you know if it copies over old configs? [17:13] dunno, I should testing [17:30] well IoI in gtk2-engines-qtcurve < 0.68 the config file is stored in ~/.gtkrc-2.0-kde4, in 0.68 version is stored in ~/.config/qtcurve.gtk-icons, in 0.69 version is stored in ~/.config/qtcurve/gtk-icons [17:30] but seems not problem and all works very well [17:30] Riddell: ^^^ [17:31] http://pastebin.ca/1607440 [17:33] lex79: this all sounds like troubling considering the mess we already have in /usr/bin/startkde [17:34] Perhaps better to get it overwith now instead of having a location switch in both Karmic and Lucid [17:36] ScottK: I can put it to ppa for testing for now [17:37] I can't even understand what the stuff in startkde currently does [17:40] let's get rid of the stuff you don't understand and see if it magically gets uber fast :P [17:40] uploaded in ppa [17:40] yuriy: IoI [18:00] neversfelde: I've uploaded wv2_0.4.1 to kubuntu-ppa/experimental incase koffice people want to use it, but I don't think we can do anything with it for karmic since koffice 1 won't work with it [18:01] Riddell: k, I think the new support for ms office files need it and I had plans to backport it myself [18:01] although I haven't tested it ,yet [18:05] ScottK: I'm going to building qt4 again :) [18:05] Good luck [18:29] Riddell: talking about startkde, we should consider putting all our changes in a script we can ship with KDS, and only include it in startkde [18:29] Riddell: cleaner and would avoid reworking the patch + rebuild startkde so often.... [18:29] Riddell: don't you think ? [18:30] too late for karmic, but on the long term.... [18:31] JontheEchidna: patched qt shoul be testable in an hour [18:31] JontheEchidna: I probably won't be there, but feel free to test if you want :) [18:37] hum should we go with latest kdenlive ? it's supposed to fix several issues, but on the other side, requires a hudge amount of work... [18:37] packaging latest mlt and mlt++, and so on... [18:37] Riddell: I'd like your opinion since writing an FFE for this might need everal hours of packaging.... [18:38] Riddell: I think we should go for it [18:38] Tonio_: kdenlive I think we want the latest [18:38] Tonio_: Also, no more mlt++, it's part of mlt now. [18:38] ScottK: I think so, so I'll do all the stuff [18:38] Since it's Universe, vorian can bless it. [18:38] ScottK: since when ? [18:38] 0.4.5 ? [18:39] I don't recall the version, but during this cycle. [18:39] ho no you mean the same source package... right [18:39] Yes [18:39] ScottK: ok so that means 2 FFE [18:39] ScottK: I'll do that tomorrow morning then... no time today [18:39] I'd go with one FFe affecting two packages. [18:39] hum no other packages depend on mlt, so that's right [18:40] ScottK: mlt is already in debian, that'll help :) [18:41] ScottK: ok I'll go for that then... [18:43] ScottK: Did you find a perm fix? [18:44] Our temp fix isn't working anymore lol [18:44] DarkwingDuck: Nope. And flipping compositing off/on doesn't help me either [18:44] I tried reinstalling plasma-netbook and also recompiling it with 4.3.2. [18:45] Nothing? [18:45] It worked once last night then nothing. [18:51] ftbs again, http://pastebin.ca/1607647 [18:53] oh, ok http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-kde/qt4-x11.git;a=commitdiff;h=5c6de5fc91ec14181b3ba8e750d441d47f593f4a :) [18:53] lex79: that's really a nightmare, since it builds correctly in a PPA :( [18:53] also works in pbuilder [18:54] lex79: see https://edge.launchpad.net/~tonio/+archive/ppa/+build/1284210 [18:54] yes :( I'm going to try the fabo's fix [18:54] lex79: I got no pb with the same source package that fails in the archives... [18:54] lex79: maybe the build log will help you to figure out what happens... [18:55] btw reboot time for me, I have to make sure, my qt fix works, so rebooting is better :) [18:55] thanks Tonio_ [18:56] lex79: you're welcome [19:31] Riddell: ping [19:33] lex79: no need to. riddell has a running ppa build with the fix. [19:34] and afaics, the fix worked :D [19:34] fabo: ok [19:34] https://launchpad.net/~jr/+archive/ppa/+build/1284770 [19:36] btw, you looked at the wrong branch :) the one you pointed is the 4.6 work ;) [19:39] yes I know, but without -fast and without -no-separate-debug-info is still ftbs, see http://pastebin.ca/1607647 [19:40] so I looked for the fix in 4.6 git:) [19:41] lex79: drop -fast only for 4.5.3 [19:42] -no-separate-debug-info is needed for 4.5 and 4.6 [19:43] your ftbfs is something different from the bootstrap issue [19:43] yes [19:45] any core-dev around that can sponsor konversation from bzr? [21:11] File koffice_2.0.83-0ubuntu1~ppa1.dsc mentioned in the changes has a checksum mismatch [21:11] what's the problem here? [21:43] vorian: bug 432725 [21:43] Launchpad bug 432725 in kmymoney2 "[FFe] New upstream release (kmymoney2 1.0.2)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/432725 [21:45] mhh, seems that it was an upload problem [22:27] Tonio_: cursors are working here :) [23:46] Riddell: some of them have already been incorporated, another patch will go out to ccheney this weekend that addresses a few more of the bugs