[00:07] <sproaty> is there a way to set the English UK translation for my app to be exactly the same as the default without going through each translation message?
[00:07] <sproaty> or should I just not bother
[00:29] <kiko> sproaty, good question, can you ask on -users or on ubuntu-translators?
[00:30] <sproaty> sorry, didn't realise there was specific LP channels :)
[00:31] <mwhudson> sproaty: kiko is referring to mailing lists, i think
[00:32] <sproaty> ah right. But thinking about it, I'll just leave it
[00:43] <bodhi_zazen> How can I change a project name in LP ?
[00:44] <bodhi_zazen> I started a project with the name of zenbuntu
[00:44] <bodhi_zazen> but need to change it now to zenix
[00:44] <bodhi_zazen> https://launchpad.net/zenbuntu
[00:44] <bodhi_zazen> I changed the details, but the URL did not change
[00:45] <bodhi_zazen> do I simply abandon the project and start new ?
[00:46] <wgrant> bodhi_zazen: Ask at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion, and an admin will rename it for you.
[00:46] <bodhi_zazen> Thank you
[00:58] <x-warrior> Where can i see how Karma works? How many points for each feature (translation/bazaar...etc)? And how I loose it?
[00:59] <wgrant> x-warrior: Karma degrades over time. Each action's points linearly deteriorate over one year, until the action is worth nothing.
[01:07] <x-warrior> So if today i have 5000 in 08/10/2010 I will have 0 points if i don't do any other actions? that is right?
[01:24] <poolie> sinzui: what's the actual meaning of the tech-debt tag?
[01:24] <poolie> like i don't think bug 408207 is tech-debt any more than any bug is debt
[01:25] <sinzui> Technical debt is is the cheat in the code that will cause problems in the future. I am marking all the XXX comment bugs
[01:26] <sinzui> poolie: tech debt is all the incomplete parts of the code we did not have time to finish
[01:26] <poolie> i know what the term means
[01:26] <poolie> i just don't see the point in marking that bug or say 120135
[01:26] <poolie> bug 120135
[01:26] <sinzui> how interesting, I was just writing that I want the sparkline fixed and back on pages
[01:28] <poolie> so it seems to me the point of the tag is that 'payment' (time) for these bugs will come out of a separate account?
[01:28] <poolie> ie we might fix some Low tech-debt bugs first?
[01:29] <sinzui> We should
[01:29] <sinzui> I think we might find that some XXX bugs are closed, are invalid now
[01:30] <poolie> so are you saying 120135 is one that the bzr developers ought to prioritize?
[01:30] <poolie> or it smells to you like tech debt?
[01:30] <poolie> or there's an xxx mentioning it?
[01:30] <poolie> i just want to understand what it's supposed to convey
[01:30] <sinzui> There is an XXX saying that the code is hacked because that feature was not implemented
[01:31] <sinzui> If that is not true, we should update the code.
[01:31] <poolie> ... and what action it is supposed to produce
[01:32] <sinzui> We will have a graph of tech-debt to measure if we are reducing the problems we know are in the code
[01:32] <poolie> :/
[01:32] <sinzui> poolie: This is a action Item from the first day of the team leads sprint
[01:33] <poolie> all bugs are problems in the code
[01:33]  * poolie looks
[01:33] <spiv> "problems we know are in the code" sounds like any bug report to me, not just ones tagged "tech-debt"?
[01:33] <sinzui> poolie: I think a lot of these comment are invalid, they date back to 2005 for feature we do not intend to implement
[01:33] <poolie> i agree with the general project, i'm just not sure that XXX comments are very well correlated with things we want to fix
[01:34] <poolie> and i am skeptical that removing stale xxx comments when we're not otherwise touching the code is a good use of time
[01:34] <sinzui> poolie: The comment were given a bug because we intended to fix them soon, We did not
[01:35] <sinzui> We can remove the tag from the bug and the comment from the code if we believe the issue is not valid any more
[01:35] <spiv> I'm not sure that's true.  I'm sure when I was an LP reviewer an XXX comment didn't imply "intend to fix soon".
[01:35] <spiv> The policy may have changed, but that won't change the intention of the old comments :)
[01:36]  * poolie reads https://wiki.canonical.com/Launchpad/Sprints/TeamLeadsSep09/Report
[01:36] <sinzui> If there is a bug named in the code, we want it tracked
[01:36] <poolie> the assumption is that bugs mentioned in code are more important or different?
[01:37] <mwhudson> specifically re 120135, isn't create_prefix a transport method now?
[01:37] <sinzui> no. We are not assuming anything because we forgot about them. We want to know about them
[01:38] <sinzui> I am the messenger not the decider. We are tracking these bugs We do not even know what they are. The point is we cannot plan if we do not know what the problems are
[01:38] <poolie> i'm just concerned that by tagging lots of trivial bugs that happen to be mentioned in code,
[01:39] <poolie> you'll obscure the actually important bugs that we really do want to fix in a tech debt project
[01:39] <poolie> like if you ask people 'what do you really wish you could clean up in bzr' i doubt 120135 would be mentioned?
[01:39] <poolie> s/?//
[01:40] <poolie> mwhudson: you are right
[01:40] <sinzui> I doubt it. A tag is not triage. The only tag That influence my scheduling is oops and Trivlal
[01:40] <poolie> !
[01:40] <poolie> sorry if i'm sounding grumpy or something
[01:40] <sinzui> The later because I am told to, that latter because I can fix 10 a day and make users happy
[01:40] <spiv> "do not know what they are" sounds like status should be set to something like "New"... which is triage as you say.
[01:40] <poolie> if the tag doesn't affect priority what's the point of tracking it
[01:42] <sinzui> spiv. Not at all, We are just trying to understand the relationships between our bugs. We were give 50% slack to improve quality. These bugs are issues that were identified in the past as quality issues
[01:42] <poolie> so
[01:43]  * sinzui goes away
[01:43] <poolie> i really question the assumption that bugs mentioned in xxx comments are ones that will particularly improve quality..
[01:43] <poolie> but, i've said my piece
[01:43] <poolie> good night
[02:09] <mwhudson> poolie: i wish i could remember why we asked for Transport.makedirs now :-)
[02:09] <mwhudson> i sort of remember, it's all a bit of a mess though
[02:13] <poolie> mm
[02:13] <poolie> i'm not trying to be difficult about this
[02:13] <poolie> i just don't want more noise in the bug tracker
[02:14] <mwhudson> poolie: that wasn't a complaint in any way
[02:14] <poolie> i know
[02:18] <mwhudson> cool
[02:51] <imawolfrawr> Question, I registered my fingerprint and everything but I still get an error about no public key during a sudo apt-get update.
[02:51] <mwhudson> imawolfrawr: that message isn't anything about whether your key is on launchpad
[02:51] <mwhudson> imawolfrawr: it's about whether you've told apt to trust the key that signs the ppas in the archive
[02:52] <imawolfrawr> I had like 3 or 4 of them but when I went through the process of adding a key it took away most of them so I thought it was. Sorry I'm quite new to ubuntu
[02:52] <imawolfrawr> How would I go about doing that then? Telling apt to trust it that is.
[02:54] <mwhudson> imawolfrawr: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/InstallingSoftware describes the process
[02:54] <imawolfrawr> Alright thanks!
[02:55] <mwhudson> np
[03:02] <imawolfrawr> mwhudson: that didn't appear to work.
[08:20] <x000r> hello! i've forgotten my password to my launchpad account and my email address too.. :( Can I do anything to resolve this situation?
[08:25] <wgrant> x000r: What if you search for your name at https://launchpad.net/people?
[08:26] <x000r> it shows my name, my launchpad id and karma
[08:30] <x000r> (sorry for my english) I just want to know the subscribed email address for my account but I don't know if it's possible to recover and how
[08:32] <soren> If you didn't hide your e-mail address, maybe I can see it if you tell me your username?
[08:32] <wgrant> x000r: Work out your username (your account's URL is of the form https://launchpad.net/~USERNAME), and email feedback@launchpad.net about it. Normally you'd ask a question from within Launchpad itself, but you obviously can't do that now.
[08:32] <wgrant> Oh, right, it might not be hidden to logged in users.
[08:33] <wgrant> So mention the URL in here first.
[08:33] <soren> x000r: What is your username on Launchpad?
[08:33] <x000r> it's "hesediel"
[08:33] <soren>        hesediel@inbox.com
[08:34] <x000r> ook XD thanks a lot!!
[08:34] <soren> No worries :)
[10:43] <jml> 'lp' redirects to the 'launchpad' project. What do I need to do to make 'lp' a project group?
[10:46] <wgrant> That sounds like it's just going to be even more confusing.
[10:50] <jml> wgrant, maybe
[10:50] <jml> wgrant, I want a super-project for launchpad API applications.
[10:51] <jml> wgrant, and want something short & catchy, and no one has come up with any alternatives, let alone a better one.
[10:51] <jml> I'm very open to such alternatives.
[11:01] <wgrant> jml: I don't think such a thing makes sense.
[11:02] <wgrant> Not with what project groups are currently for.
[11:02] <wgrant> (launchpad-project doesn't really make sense either, but that's another story...)
[11:03] <jml> wgrant, the 'tx' project is roughly the same thing.
[11:03] <wgrant> jml: So it is.
[11:04] <wgrant> But it doesn't seem like an appropriate way to do things, given the way privileges work and the limitation of a single membership.
[11:04] <wgrant> Sounds like you want project sets or project tags or project bags...
[11:05] <jml> yeah.
[11:05] <jml> we do :)
[11:06] <jml> but I used my three wishes on unlimited wealth, world peace and unicorn insurance.
[11:06] <wgrant> :(
[11:27] <stub> jml: We need to remove the alias and rename launchpad-project to lp
[11:28] <jml> stub, but renaming launchpad-project to lp isn't what I want to do, I think.
[11:28] <jml> stub, I would like a new project group for projects that use launchpad API
[11:28] <stub> jml: Ok. If you don't want lp to redirect to launchpad in any event, I need to remove the relevant line from the PillarName table.
[11:29] <jml> stub, it's a DB operation?
[11:29] <stub> jml: There might be a ui for it somewhere. I have my own ui ;)
[11:30] <jml> stub, heh heh.
[12:03] <Phurl> anyone have time to look at my import queue? sinzui danilos henninge jtv
[13:17] <henninge> Phurl: what's your import queue again?
[13:17] <Phurl> let me see
[13:17] <Phurl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org-l10n/+bug/431038  can someone please help with launchpad translations?
[13:17] <Phurl> https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesmikedupont/shqipoffice/pofiles-3.1
[13:17] <Phurl> there is the queue
[13:24] <lfaraone> deryck: ping
[13:25] <deryck> lfaraone, hi
[13:25] <deryck> lfaraone, so what project are you wanting to import bugs for?
[13:25] <lfaraone> deryck: essentially, a project I'm part of wants to migrate to Launchpad from trac, but first we'd like to test out the ability to import/export our data.
[13:25] <lfaraone> deryck: http://sugarlabs.org
[13:26] <deryck> lfaraone, ok.  is the project registered in Launchpad yet?
[13:26] <lfaraone> deryck: yes, we're a superproject, "sugarlabs"
[13:27] <deryck> lfaraone, ok.  Just looking at some pages quickly....
[13:27] <lfaraone> deryck: somebody already created subcomponents for our project, but they're associated with a different super: https://edge.launchpad.net/sucrose
[13:28] <henninge> Phurl: I am sorry, but those files won't be approved.
[13:28] <Phurl> ok
[13:28] <henninge> Phurl: Technically you are missing template files
[13:28] <Phurl> henninge, any tips?
[13:28] <Phurl> i have the templates
[13:28] <Phurl> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~albania/shqipoffice/OpenOffice.org-POT-latest/files/head%3A/pot/
[13:28] <Phurl> there
[13:30] <lfaraone> deryck: I understand that launchpad doesn't support superprojects for superprojects, so we'll probably have to table the sucrose component and move everything in it to sugarlabs.
[13:30] <henninge> Phurl: but that's not the branch you are importing translations from.
[13:30] <henninge> Phurl: but that all does not really matter
[13:30] <Phurl> henninge, i took those pot files
[13:30] <henninge> Phurl: let me look something up
[13:30] <Phurl> and filled them out to those po files
[13:31] <deryck> lfaraone, ok.  So we've got a couple issues at play here then -- getting everything under sucrose moved to sugarlabs, and getting the bugs imported to sugarlabs, right?
[13:31] <Phurl> i gotta walkt the dog henninge she is going crazy
[13:31] <lfaraone> deryck: yep.
[13:31] <henninge> Phurl: sure
[13:31] <henninge> don't want to see her make a mess of your place ... ;-)
[13:32] <deryck> lfaraone, do you know why the projects were all listed under sucrose originally and not sugarlabs?
[13:32] <lfaraone> deryck: and our project board doesn't want to fully commit to using launchpad until we can test export functionality.
[13:33] <henninge> Phurl: Please read https://help.launchpad.net/Translations/YourProject/ImportPolicy
[13:34] <henninge> Phurl: pay attention to the "social rules"
[13:34] <deryck> lfaraone, understood.  did you see my question of "why sucrose vs. sugar?"
[13:34] <henninge> Phurl: I am sorry to say that I think your project is viloating most of those rules.
[13:35] <henninge> Phurl: I will have to disable the project.
[13:50] <Phurl> henninge, one minute
[13:52] <Phurl> the open office crew expects the translations to be delivered as a finished product
[13:52] <Phurl> and our translation is not yet finished.
[13:53] <danilos> Phurl, the reason we can't accept it is because Launchpad doesn't have an ability to lock out any other translations (eg. to German or French language)
[13:53] <Phurl> how can you disable my project like that, I was just in the middle of working on code.
[13:53] <danilos> Phurl, that would lead to people translating to those languages, and those translations would not go anywhere
[13:53] <Phurl> the german and french have an existing procedure for the translation
[13:53] <Phurl> i am in the middle of preparing the code.
[13:54] <Phurl> can you please think about this.
[13:54] <henninge> Phurl: what code???
[13:54] <Phurl> let me explain,
[13:54] <danilos> Phurl, they do, and that's exactly why we can't let it be open for translation in Launchpad (and it would be, if we import your translations)
[13:55] <danilos> Phurl, so, due to the technical design and policy decisions in Launchpad, you'd either have to agree with upstream to move entire l10n to Launchpad (for all languages), or do Albanian localization elsewhere; I am sorry, but that's how it is
[13:55] <Phurl> ok, but that does not mean you have to kill the project
[13:55] <Phurl> i need to host my work somewhere
[13:55] <danilos> Phurl, if you are having project for different reasons, you might keep it, but you can not use translations
[13:55] <Phurl> and i am in the middle of working on it
[13:55] <Phurl> maybe that is the case,
[13:55] <Phurl> but killing the project is not a solution
[13:56] <henninge> Phurl: it's not killed but disabled.
[13:56] <danilos> Phurl, it would be good to clarify that you are not using it for translations, so any administrator who might be looking at the project decides not to disable it because it violates our policies
[13:57] <Phurl> here is the situation
[13:57] <Phurl> we need to host the work somewhere
[13:58] <Phurl> danilos, henninge i think this is a bit heavy handed.
[13:58] <henninge> Phurl: what "work"?
[13:58] <danilos> Phurl, if it's a collection of PO files, you can use a bzr branch for that
[13:58] <Phurl> well first of all we worked for months to get the original translation of 2.0
[13:59] <Phurl> yes i have my branches, but you kiled them
[13:59] <Phurl> i have a branch for the 2.0 po files
[13:59] <Phurl> that we recieved
[13:59] <Phurl> and they are hosted only there
[13:59] <danilos> Phurl, you can push the branch to lp:~username/+junk/openoffice.org-sq-2.0 or something like that (you don't need a project for that)
[14:00] <danilos> Phurl, or, if you want more people to contribute to it, you can replace "username" with "teamname"
[14:00] <Phurl> ok let me check so the branchesa are still there.
[14:01] <Phurl> yes well as long as I have the branches,
[14:01] <Phurl>  i dont need a project so to say
[14:01] <Phurl> https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesmikedupont/shqipoffice/pofiles-3.1 ok
[14:02] <Phurl> ok danilos ok
[14:02] <Phurl> i found the code
[14:02] <Phurl> thats fine, i dont care about the project
[14:02] <Phurl> there is nothing in there
[14:03] <papo> hello
[14:06] <Phurl> ok henninge danilos now, lets get to the next point. you have a ubuntu open office localization project
[14:06] <Phurl> with some albanian strings.
[14:07] <Phurl> so we can try and get my updated po files into that
[14:07] <Phurl> that would be the best.
[14:07] <Phurl> I split to the po files so it should be possible to import them
[14:09] <lfaraone> deryck: yes, sorry.
[14:10] <lfaraone> deryck: "sucrose" is a subdiv of the SL ecosystem
[14:11] <lfaraone> deryck: which is itself composed of fructose and glucose. So I assume whoever set up the various components wanted to organize them via the SL taxonomy.
[14:12] <henninge> dpm: can you help Phurl with that, please?
[14:13] <lfaraone> deryck: anyway, the distinction is not critically important.
[14:13] <danilos> Phurl, Ubuntu OOo project is not really properly set up, so there's not really much sense in getting translations there
[14:13] <Phurl> danilos, there are 70 albanian translators
[14:14] <Phurl> and we have a team in kosovo
[14:14] <Phurl> that want to help
[14:14] <Phurl> but we need a place to work
[14:14] <Phurl> it we can get the strings in launchpad, i will feed them back upstream
[14:14] <Phurl> i am in the process right now with sun
[14:14] <Phurl> they dont care where the strings come from
[14:15] <Phurl> they just want a finished translation
[14:15] <deryck> lfaraone, ok, on call now....  will follow up with you in just a few minutes.
[14:15] <danilos> Phurl, I am sorry, but Launchpad doesn't provide the workflow you want; as far as I know, OpenOffice.org does offer use of Pootle
[14:16] <Phurl> danilos, it is not setup for albanian
[14:16] <Phurl> and there are no translatator for albanian on pootle
[14:16] <danilos> Phurl, with Ubuntu OOo project, it might turn out that we disable it soon because those translations are not going anywhere
[14:16] <Phurl> all i would like to do is get the strings in launchpad
[14:16] <Phurl> so we can start translating
[14:16] <Phurl> i have gotten the older translation
[14:17] <Phurl> and moved that into the new templates
[14:17] <danilos> Phurl, I understand that, I am trying to explain that it's not how Launchpad works
[14:17] <Phurl> so it is ready to start working on
[14:17] <Phurl> ok
[14:17] <Phurl> i heard you
[14:17] <danilos> Phurl, unfortunately, but it is so
[14:17] <Phurl> danilos, so we have to recruit the translators away?
[14:17] <Phurl> and get them on a different platform
[14:17] <Phurl> i mean we can setup a rosetta
[14:17] <Phurl> or pootle on our own
[14:18] <danilos> Phurl, we will know soon if you can use OOo in Ubuntu for translations, but I am putting out a warning just so you know in advance
[14:18] <Phurl> ok, well i know that we recurited 20 people to launchpad
[14:18] <Phurl> and they would like to use it for the translation
[14:18] <danilos> Phurl, if you want notification about when the decision is made (it depends on available time), we can let you know
[14:18] <Phurl> https://launchpad.net/~kosova 23 members
[14:19] <Phurl> ok so we need to find a different way.
[14:19] <Phurl> i understand
[14:19] <danilos> Phurl, yeah
[14:19] <danilos> Phurl, I am sorry about it
[14:20] <Phurl> ok
[14:20] <Phurl> well at least i have a direction.
[14:20] <Phurl> cause when we talked about this in julz
[14:20] <Phurl> july
[14:20] <Phurl> we started with the strings translation in launchpad
[14:21] <Phurl> even if you disable this later
[14:21] <Phurl> we can at least make some progress
[14:21] <Phurl> danilos, right?
[14:21] <Phurl> i mean there is nothing against working for 2-3 months with launchpad
[14:21] <danilos> Phurl, yeah, we will provide tarballs with whatever has been done by that time before we stop people from working on it
[14:21] <Phurl> ok so lets get this started
[14:21] <Phurl> and you can kill it later!
[14:21] <danilos> Phurl, that's right, you can use OpenOffice.org in Ubuntu until it has been decided
[14:22] <Phurl> ok, so you can help import the po files that I have provided
[14:22] <Phurl> for the lastest version.
[14:22] <barry> hello everyone, i am your last daily-CHR! next week you get jml for the whole week :)
[14:22] <Phurl> so we can make some progress?
[14:23] <danilos> Phurl, yes, but I don't know if it's going to be 2-3 months or 1 week
[14:24] <Phurl> can you please help me import these
[14:24] <Phurl> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jamesmikedupont/shqipoffice/pofiles-3.1/files/head%3A/po/
[14:24] <danilos> Phurl, if you want to import these files, you might need to upload each of the PO files to the respective place in LP
[14:24] <Phurl> they should be just fine
[14:24] <Phurl> via the gui?
[14:25] <danilos> Phurl, jtv-sprint is checking if you can use one of his scripts to automate this
[14:25] <Phurl> ok, i can script that
[14:25] <danilos> Phurl, yeah, via gui
[14:25] <Phurl> www mechanize
[14:25] <Phurl> perl lwp
[14:25] <Phurl> ok
[14:26] <jtv-sprint> Phurl: we're sure you can.  The point is we may have done the work for you already.  :)
[14:26] <Phurl> ahh
[14:26] <Phurl> ok
[14:26] <Phurl> then i will wait
[14:26] <Phurl> let me know what i should do
[14:27] <jml> heh heh
[14:28] <Phurl> let me try uploading some individually if they work
[14:28] <jtv-sprint> The script doesn't support uploading just one language.  :/
[14:30] <Phurl> ok
[14:30] <Phurl> well, it should not be that hard to script an upload
[15:00] <Phurl> jtv-sprint, danilos https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/openoffice.org/+imports  I have given one file as test to import.
[15:02] <danilos> Phurl, ok
[15:02] <Phurl> and when that works, I will import more
[15:02] <Phurl> i have agreed with the ooo guys that they dont care how we translate. they want 90% finished before I give them a file.
[16:02] <Phurl> danilos, I have this now in there http://launchpadlibrarian.net/33360873/connectivity-resource-sq.po https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/openoffice.org/+imports?start=0&batch=75 item number 1 is approved. But I am looking for this string, for example :msgid "Invalid bookmark value" it is not set. Did I do something wrong?
[16:03] <Phurl> Will be imported into.. so that means it will happen later
[16:24] <Phurl> it worked!!! w00000t
[16:27] <Phurl> danilos, it worked! https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/openoffice.org/+pots/connectivity-resource/sq/+filter?person=jamesmikedupont
[16:55] <Phurl> http://fmtyewtk.blogspot.com/2009/10/upload-script-for-launchpad.html upload script in progress
[17:22] <zooko`> Folks: I'm trying to report a bug on launchpad, using konqueror in karmic, and the dialog box that says "just mark me as also affected or subscribe me as well" doesn't respond when I click on the green check mark, but it does go away when I click on the red x.
[17:23] <zookow> Should I report a bug against launchpad in launchpad?
[17:23]  * zookow tries that.
[17:24] <MTecknology> zookow: patience ;)
[17:24] <zookow> So I should not open a ticket?
[17:24] <MTecknology> zookow: most guys that are around to help you are right around their lunch break afaik
[17:25] <MTecknology> zookow: does it work right in a different browser?
[17:25] <zookow> Yes.
[17:25] <MTecknology> ya, report it
[17:27] <zookow> Ok.
[17:35] <zookow> MTecknology: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/447390
[19:10] <idnar> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jjacobs/methanal/verified-password-input is complaining about a locking error; is there any way to fix that?
[19:12] <beuno-lunch> idnar, bzr break-lock lp:~jjacobs/methanal/verified-password-input
[19:12] <beuno-lunch> idnar, assuming you have write access
[19:12] <idnar> I don't have it myself, but I'll poke the guy who does
[19:13] <beuno> abentley, have you ever seen that error?  ^
[19:13] <idnar> I've seen this happen a couple of times, not really sure what causes it
[19:15] <abentley> beuno: This error is occurring while writing to the mirrored area.  I doubt any user can fix it directly-- we'd need LOSA intervention.
[19:15] <idnar> yeah, the break-lock didn't seem to do any good
[19:15] <beuno> abentley, I suspected after seeing it. Thanks. Any idea why that happens?
[19:16] <abentley> beuno: no, nothing more than "an operation that was writing to the branch failed."
[19:16] <abentley> beuno: I believe that the only operation which writes to this branch would be the puller.
[19:22] <beuno> any LOSA around to fix it?
[19:31] <Chex> beuno: hello, let me take a look
[19:31] <beuno> Chex, thanks
[20:18] <Chex> beuno: hi, I identified the lock file on the filesystem, and deleted it, but we are still seeing the error.
[20:19] <Chex> beuno: there must be some sort of cacheing going on, it may time out soon. I will have to find out more info for you on this.
[20:21] <beuno> Chex, thans
[21:08] <Ddorda> hello. my friend uploaded a branch and now launchpad says "Updating branch..." for many hours.. can it be fixed some way?
[21:10] <barry> Ddorda: what branch is it?
[21:10] <Ddorda> barry: https://code.launchpad.net/~lielft/hazon/hazon_newest
[21:12]  * barry looks
[21:12]  * Ddorda thanks barry
[21:14] <barry> Ddorda: i'm trying to find a launchpad admin to take a look...
[21:15] <Ddorda> barry: thanks a lot!
[21:15] <apollo13> you guys are already fixing loggerhad?
[21:15] <apollo13> or don't know about the problem yet?
[21:17] <barry> apollo13: i have not yet heard about the problem.  what's up?
[21:17] <apollo13> barry: no idea; http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~zedshaw/lamson/development/files/head%3A/tests/lamson_tests/ isn't loading
[21:17] <apollo13> giving the generic error message to bug you
[21:17] <apollo13> eg connection to backend lost
[21:18] <apollo13> ah works again
[21:18] <barry> ah lamson!  something that's on my list to look at!
[21:18] <apollo13> you nedd more servers after all…
[21:19] <apollo13> launchpad isn't useable
[21:19] <barry> apollo13: yes, it seems to be working for me.  probably so
[21:19] <apollo13> working but damn slow
[21:19] <barry> apollo13: i'll mention this to the losas
[21:20] <apollo13> :)
[21:20] <barry> apollo13: and it just crapped out for me!
[21:21] <apollo13> barry: good to know, so I am not completly mad
[21:22] <barry> apollo13: i don't trust my own network very much ;)
[21:22] <apollo13> neither do I
[21:22] <apollo13> at least they managed to block git *grrr*
[21:22] <barry> nice :)
[21:23] <apollo13> aside from bittorrent etc…
[21:23] <barry> apollo13, Ddorda lp admins are looking into things.  if i hear any status i'll let you know
[21:23] <apollo13> barry: no need to, just thought it might be worth to report it to you
[21:23] <barry> apollo13: cool, thanks
[21:24] <barry> apollo13: ah.  loggerhead was just restarted
[21:24] <apollo13> restart?
[21:24] <apollo13> why so
[21:24] <barry> apollo13: dunno. "it was hung up"
[21:24] <apollo13> [x] you aren't using mod_wsgi
[21:35] <idnar> it seems like https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jjacobs/methanal/utc-times is "stuck" somehow
[21:36] <idnar> the owner of the branch pushed a revision 107, but launchpad doesn't actually seem to be serving that up, and the branch page is reporting "Updating branch..." since forever
[21:36] <idnar> barry: ^^^
[21:44] <barry> idnar: this is the second such branch reported today.  rockstar is looking into that i think
[21:44] <rockstar> idnar, all mirroring has broken recently, we're chasing it now.
[21:44] <idnar> okay, thanks
[23:24] <kklimonda> hmm, I get a timeout while trying to submit a new bug. OOPS-1378EC1269
[23:25] <wgrant> kklimonda: Try shortening the summary. Once you see the list of potential duplicates, you can extend it again.
[23:25] <kklimonda> wgrant, it's short
[23:25] <kklimonda> maybe too short ;)
[23:25] <kklimonda> it's "Update python-django to 1.1.1"
[23:25] <wgrant> kklimonda: Make it shorter, I guess.
[23:26] <kklimonda> ok, it worked with just "Update", thanks
[23:44] <idnar> hmm, anyone around that can help me with trac-launchpad-migrator?
[23:44] <idnar> it seems to be looking for attachments in the wrong place
[23:47]  * idnar just hacks it
[23:50] <Meths> Anyone else seeing their project's Branches page not updating properly?
[23:54] <mwhudson> Meths: yes
[23:54] <mwhudson> Meths: known problem, but there's quite a backlog of branches to chew through
[23:56] <Meths> ah, okay, thanks
[23:57] <mwhudson> Meths: in fact, the backlog just cleared