[00:02] <iflema> dino
[00:15] <Wolfcastle> anyone knows how to install broadcom drivers withouth jockey-gtk?
[00:16] <damagu> Hey all, does anyone know how to make the update notifier display in the system tray like in previous releases?
[00:17] <tonyyarusso> damagu: There's a gconf key for it that you change from true to false
[00:17] <Wolfcastle> damagu run gconf-editor
[00:18] <Wolfcastle> damagu, go to apps->update-notifier
[00:18] <erudio> Hi all, I need help installing 9.10 into a desktop with an Nvidia 6800 Graphics Card.  I keep getting a garbled screen.
[00:18] <tonyyarusso> damagu: /apps/update-notifier/auto_update false
[00:19] <Wolfcastle> and deactivate autolunch
[00:19] <Wolfcastle> autolaunch
[00:19] <Oli``> has anybody elses associations been COMPLETELY mucked up?
[00:19] <damagu> tonyyarusso: there isn't an option for auto_update
[00:19] <kklimonda> Oli``: make sure that your system is fully updated using up-2-date mirror
[00:20] <damagu> Wolfcastle: okay thanks
[00:20] <Wolfcastle> no problem
[00:20] <tonyyarusso> damagu: auto_launch rather
[00:21] <damagu> Wolfcastle: that's kinda weird... the description implies that making it false will turn off notifications rather than turn them on.
[00:24] <damagu> I guess I'll have to wait until there are updates to see if it worked. I saw a bug about it here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/369820 but it seems to indicate that it's fixed.
[00:24] <Wolfcastle> I'm gonna install 9.04 again...need wifi asap
[00:25] <damagu> Wolfcastle: I'm surprised but wifi WOOTB for me
[00:25] <Wolfcastle> WOOTB?
[00:25] <damagu> worked out of the box
[00:25] <damagu> and on a mac book pro too
[00:25] <damagu> not what I expected
[00:28] <Wolfcastle> sweet
[00:28] <Wolfcastle> I don't know why it's not working....kind of hard to debug
[00:30] <erudio> Need help installing 9.10 into a desktop.  Getting a garbled screen after splash.   Used to use "vesa" driver on xorg.conf,  but xorg is nowhere to be found?   All help is greatly appreciated.
[00:30] <damagu> yeah it sure is sweet. Mark Shuttleworth said he wanted to compete with Mac OS and he sure has done that. Karmic is way better looking and more complete now. I love it.
[00:31] <kklimonda> it still has a lot of rough edges
[00:31] <Berzerker> having a problem getting a timer up for grub2
[00:31] <kklimonda> maybe we can make an awesome 10.04 release though
[00:31] <Wolfcastle> yeah I like it too the new software manager is great for normal users
[00:31] <mzz> heh
[00:31]  * mzz has barely looked at that thing
[00:31] <Berzerker> have my hidden_timeout=0, hidden_timeout_quiet=false and grub_timeout="5"
[00:32] <Berzerker> but it's not showing any timer and it's not auto booting after 5 seconds
[00:32] <Wolfcastle> well off i go to downgrade
[00:32] <Wolfcastle> see you
[00:33] <drs305> Berzerker: Do you want to see the menu or look at a blank screen?
[00:33] <Berzerker> see the menu
[00:33] <Berzerker> and also a timer
[00:34] <drs305> I don't know if there is a timer available for the viewable menu. If so, it's not one of the default lines.
[00:34] <drs305> You might try adding:  TIMEOUT_QUIET=false  but that would be an undocumented feature.
[00:35] <Berzerker> what is GRUB_TIMEOUT="5" then?
[00:35] <Berzerker> in combination with GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[00:35] <drs305> Well, wait, now that I think about it the timeout does display, but I don't know of a setting that controls it.
[00:36]  * drs305 reboots his laptop to look
[00:36] <drs305> Yeah, it's there. But I don't know of a setting that controls it.
[00:37] <drs305> GRUB_TIMEOUT is the viewable timeout.
[00:37] <Berzerker> well not only does the setting not display, but it's not auto booting after 5 seconds
[00:37] <drs305> If the hidden timeout is a positive number, you'll be looking at a blank screen for that amount of time.
[00:38] <drs305> If you have hidden timeout quiet false, you will see a counter on the blank screen.
[00:38] <Berzerker> I have that
[00:38] <Berzerker> but it's not working lol
[00:38] <Berzerker> I update-grubed
[00:38] <Berzerker> hold on, let me try it again
[00:43] <jonLappy> I just did an update on my computer (karmic) and my mouse stopped working. Looking on line several other people have my issue but I see no fix for it. Anyone have any ideas?
[00:43] <jonLappy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/378818 << bug that appears to be affecting me.
[00:44] <Berzerker> drs305: did it again, and it worked, oh well, thanks.
[00:44] <drs305> :-)
[00:49] <andresmh_> for some reason I cannot seem to be able to disable Compiz Animation plugin. I disable it using the Compiz Config Settings manager and after a few seconds it gets enabled again on its own.
[00:49] <erudio> Need help installing 9.10 into a desktop.  Getting a garbled screen after splash.   Used to use "vesa" driver on xorg.conf,  but xorg is nowhere to be found?   All help is greatly appreciated.
[00:52] <jonLappy> erudio: what did you use to install it?
[00:53] <thiebaude> erudio, which graphics card do you have?
[00:54] <erudio> jonLappy - I got rid of quiet splash and replaced it with break=bottom so I could edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf with driver "vesa", but its nowhere to be found.
[00:54] <erudio> I'm using an Nvidia 6800
[00:54] <thiebaude> ok
[00:54] <erudio> That was the old way I used to get Ubuntu to work until I could install the Nvidia drivers to get passed the garbled screen.
[00:55] <thiebaude> erudio, is this a fresh install of 9.10 or upgraded from 9.04?
[00:55] <erudio> Fresh install
[00:55] <thiebaude> erudio, i have nvidia also, but i upgraded from 9.04
[00:56] <erudio> I never tried it with 9.04?   Last version was 8.10 that I used.    Do you think I'll be able to get to the xorg.conf file?
[00:57] <thiebaude> erudio, i dont know how, when i had intel 815 i knew how, but that was in 9.04
[00:58] <erudio> I'll try it again with 9.04 and upgrade.
[00:58] <erudio> Thank you.
[00:58] <thiebaude> erudio, no problem
[00:58] <erudio> Hopefully, some more documentation will come out later on.
[01:02] <darthanubis> anyone have a link to the alpha5 isos?
[01:02] <Dai> the ones that are two releases out of date?
[01:10] <darthanubis> Dai, yeah those
[01:11] <ubox> should broadcom wireless work out of the box this version?
[01:12] <Dai> that is a good question.  everyplace i'm seeing has moved strictly to the beta ISOs
[01:12] <Dai> you might still be able to find a torrent, though
[01:16] <darthanubis> Dai still looking. I thought i came across a page full of releases earlier, but I can find the page in my history
[01:17] <Dai> http://mirror.ne.gov/ubuntu-iso/DVDs-Ubuntu/karmic/alpha-5/
[01:18] <Dai> those may still be good
[01:19] <ConstantineXVI> just making sure, should there be any restricted drivers for a geforce9400m in karmic yet?
[01:20] <chu_> Anyone had any luck getting gnome-do to run on Karmic?
[01:21] <darthanubis> Dai, thanks
[01:21] <Dai> you're welcome
[01:22] <Dai> i'm not sure why it's useful at this point, but have fun :)
[01:22] <darthanubis> Dai they are reccomended for recovery if the Beta disk don't work
[01:23] <darthanubis> I've had no lucj with the Beta iso, at least installing from usb stick
[01:23] <menzza> Hello im running of a live usb trying to install flash but I get error while installing it it says dpkg: unable to read filedescriptor flags for <package status and progress file descriptor>; Bad file descriptor
[01:24] <zmjjmz> darthanubis: what comp?
[01:24] <Dai> ah, neat
[01:25] <darthanubis> zmjjmz, comp=?
[01:25] <zmjjmz> darthanubis: computer
[01:25] <zmjjmz> make/model, etc.
[01:26] <menzza> Hello im running of a live usb trying to install flash but I get error while installing it it says dpkg: unable to read filedescriptor flags for <package status and progress file descriptor>; Bad file descriptor
[01:26] <darthanubis> figured
[01:26] <darthanubis> I don't buy commerical PCs
[01:26] <darthanubis> I build my own.
[01:26] <darthanubis> But trying to install Beta from usbstick on a Aspire 3680
[01:27] <darthanubis> My main PC has an Asus P5Q
[01:27] <darthanubis> mobo of course
[01:29] <menzza> this flash not getting installed is getting annoying
[01:33] <arash> is 9.10 LTS?
[01:33] <menzza> arash: nope
[01:33] <Steil> hey
[01:33] <Steil> anyone use uh
[01:34] <Steil> ubuntu moblin remix?
[01:35]  * mzz wonders why this dist-upgrade is installing gcj
[01:35] <mzz> java confuses me
[01:36] <ubox> anyone know how to get broadcom working in karmic?
[01:36] <ubox> 4311
[01:37] <menzza> ubox: did it work in jaunty?
[01:39] <ubox> in itrepid i had to do it the hard way. but there are drivers on broadcoms website. they have source and a make file. i compiled and then installed. but am not sure what to do next
[01:39] <ubox> jaunty didn't like my ppc, now i have an amd64
[01:39] <ubox> *based computer
[01:39] <menzza> ubox: ok so is it a laptop?
[01:39] <mzz> looks like it's because openjd stopped providing the java-virtual-machine virtual, and jython depends on that virtual. But openjdk worked just fine without gcj earlier, so huh.
[01:39] <ubox> yes, an hp dv6404ca
[01:40] <ubox> and the broadcom chipset is bcm4311
[01:40] <ubox> i got the tar from them for 64bit
[01:41] <menzza> ubox: yeah u have the same chip as I do, I had problems in jaunty I installed the propriatary drivers and they sucked, the connection was super slow
[01:41] <menzza> ubox: but I had a zyxel usb wlan card and that worked out of the box
[01:42] <ubox> yeah all i have is what inside
[01:42] <menzza> ubox: so I did not try anything else bcause I was so tired
[01:42] <ubox> this guy http://aldeby.org/blog/index.php/howto-ubuntu-linux-on-hp-pavilion-dv2000-dv6000-dv9000-series-laptops#suspend  claims that it is supported via the hardware drivers utility
[01:43] <ubox> does that require a connection to work?
[01:43] <menzza> ubox: I can try it
[01:43] <menzza> ubox: just a minute
[01:43] <ubox> ok, thanks
[01:46] <mzz> does someone know how I get the list of rdepends of a virtual package name?
[01:46] <mzz> "apt-cache rdepends java-virtual-machine" does not seem to work
[01:46] <Lars_G> Hey all
[01:47] <Lars_G> I messed up my partition trying to parted it to make a separate (and encrypted) home :'(
[01:47] <Lars_G> So I wanna reinstall
[01:48] <aliendude5300> Hi, I'm having a problem upgrading. When I  try to  upgrade, I get this error:
[01:48] <Lars_G> but the pen drive boot (netbook remix) after grub (or syslinux) tryies to mount the (damaged) hdd partition, (first detected ext part I guess).
[01:48] <aliendude5300> E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[01:48] <aliendude5300> E: Unable to lock the download directory
[01:48] <aliendude5300> Usually that means aptitude is in use but I restarted the system.
[01:48] <Lars_G> Without deleting it, (as I don't have parted bootable anymore) is there any way to specify the boot part by hand easily?
[01:48] <aliendude5300> It's still not working :/
[01:49] <aliendude5300> My hard drive isn't full, I have almost 800MB free space left.
[01:49] <aliendude5300> Any ideas?
[01:49] <ubox> try using sudo
[01:49] <aliendude5300> ubox: That's what I have been doing. Thanks anyways.
[01:50] <aliendude5300> Well actually I was using sudo su to become root first, that way I only have to type my password once.
[01:50] <ubox> oh ok, maybe another program is open? synaptec, add remove programs, etc
[01:50] <ubox> umm, maybe just use sudo <command> as regular user
[01:51] <aliendude5300> I thought that too until I ran pkill apt-get, pkill aptitude, pkill synaptic as root, and then when that didn't work I rebooted the system
[01:51] <ubox> if you continue with the same session you will usually only have to enter the pass for sudo once
[01:51] <ubox> that is rather odd
[01:51] <aliendude5300> sudo su makes you become root. You have the same privilege escalation as when you use regular sudo
[01:52] <ubox> i would just use su
[01:52] <aliendude5300> ubox: Well, that is true, although if you leave the terminal inactive, you will need the password again
[01:52] <ubox> yes, i did think it timed out once on me
[01:52] <aliendude5300> Trying the command with only sudo produces the same result though
[01:52] <ubox> wasn't sure though
[01:52] <ubox> i'm a bit stumped
[01:53] <aliendude5300> when in update-manager it says "Waiting for other tasks" but nothing is open.
[01:53] <aliendude5300> Clicking cancel causes update manager to crash, but when I hit submit report, it complains I don't have the latest updates (ironic?).
[01:53] <ubox> very ironic
[01:54] <ubox> at least you have internet
[01:54] <aliendude5300> Everything works fine, but I need to be able to update
[01:54] <ubox> i just installed on my new laptop and it has a roadcom card
[01:54] <ubox> *broadcom
[01:54] <aliendude5300> I think there is a broadcom driver, am I wrong?
[01:55] <aliendude5300> What card do you have? If unsure, use sudo lshw
[01:55] <ubox> i compiled a driver but it went into lib/modules/uname/kernel/drivers/net/wireless
[01:55] <ubox> bcw4311
[01:55] <ubox> i was trying the driver given by broadcom for 64 bit on their website
[01:55] <ubox> i could probably use the old fwcutter method
[01:55] <ubox> or bcm4311 rather?
[01:56] <ubox> but it is 4311 anyway
[01:56] <aliendude5300> On my laptop, I have an atheros chipset that worked out of the box. Never had any trouble with wireless, although I have had friends who couldn't get theirs working.
[01:56] <ubox> i think i read that it does work with the hardware driver utility as of karmic, but i think i need a connection for that tool to work
[01:57] <ubox> and i only have wifi
[01:57] <aliendude5300> Do you have ethernet on the laptop and a router?
[01:58] <aliendude5300> You could always plug it in with a cheap ethernet cord (some are actually less than $5!)
[01:58] <crf_>  hi, I am trying ubuntu karmic, and while running top, I wondered what "beam" from user "couchdb" is.
[01:58] <ubox> i wish, it is my landlords wifi he gives me
[01:59] <ubox> i could share my connection from this laptop but i tried that for my xbox and it breaks my connection
[01:59] <Lars_G> ok how do I set the usb/cdrom dev on the menu? it's not root= ?
[02:00] <Lars_G> for the usb netbook installer
[02:01] <menzza> hmm no luck with the wireless
[02:01] <aliendude5300> menzza: What's your problem?
[02:02] <menzza> aliendude5300: getting my wireless broadcom card to work.. I have now A zyxel usb wlan card and it works
[02:02]  * aliendude5300 will be right back after a reboot...
[02:02] <Lars_G> Please :(
[02:04] <ubox> so here is what i have found, there is a wl.ko in with the rest of the wireless modules, b43 etc
[02:04] <ubox> how do i modprobe that?
[02:04] <ubox> the wl.ko is what the source from broadcom created
[02:05] <s1gmab3ta> hey guys, what is the apt-get command to upgrade to karmic?
[02:05] <arand> !upgrade
[02:05] <s1gmab3ta> thank youu
[02:06] <arand> Hmm, that's no help in this case...
[02:07] <arand> update-manager -d  is usually one way...
[02:07] <crf_> arand, do man apt-get
[02:08] <burner> someone should update the UpgradeNotes wiki page
[02:08] <arand> Indeed
[02:08] <arand> "There are currently no beta versions of ubuntu" :/
[02:08] <crf_> I think sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:08] <Lars_G> is there no way to manually specify the usb pen drive's device for a live-install or live boot?
[02:08] <burner> i'm on it
[02:11] <s1gmab3ta> dist-upgrade doesn't do it
[02:11] <s1gmab3ta> i'll try update-manager -d
[02:11] <burner> yeah, that's what I just put on the wiki... "gksudo update-manager -d"
[02:12]  * burner wishes the wiki theme wasn't so ugly
[02:12] <s1gmab3ta> seems to work.
[02:13] <burner> The new look kicks so much ass
[02:13] <s1gmab3ta> burner: you mean the new look of 9.10?
[02:13] <burner> yeah
[02:13] <s1gmab3ta> yeah its pretty solid
[02:13] <burner> the boot experience & the new icons + wallpapers
[02:13] <arand> Inderdaad
[02:14] <burner> anyone know if you can move items in the notification area at all?  I wish volume was in the bottom left
[02:14] <arand> Ah, not to sure about the boot thogh... wallpaper is pretty ugly, especially on high res it's just edgy...
[02:15] <burner> oh, i just use the new options when you click change background
[02:15] <Lars_G> :'(
[02:15] <s1gmab3ta> ive only used it on my 1024x600 netbook
[02:15] <s1gmab3ta> are you talking about the dark brown with white ubuntu text
[02:15] <s1gmab3ta> or the white ubuntu logo on black
[02:15] <arand> burner: yes volume applet should be movable to anywhere....
[02:15]  * burner likes hte cherries
[02:15] <burner> arand: not in 9.10, it's part of the notification area and there is no applet anymore
[02:16] <arand> burner: ah, right, well thatn you might have to grab the whole area...
[02:17] <arand> I don't know what happens should you add specific volume control (I think, it's still add-able)...
[02:17] <burner> yeah... I've found that out... which is lame for Fitts' law.  I want to place something useable in the corner of my screen like volume
[02:17] <burner> it's not addable here
[02:17] <burner> i think someone has to make a new pulseaudio aware applet if we want it
[02:18] <ubuntu> well I dont seem to have any luck with my wireless broadcom card
[02:19] <burner> ubuntu: what happens when you click "hardware drivers"?
[02:20] <arand> I guess they're trying to shove as much as possible inside the notification area, with the whole "cleaning up tray"-sheningans(i'd say folly)
[02:20] <burner> oh well, i'll take it for the new pulse features
[02:20] <ubuntu> burner: well now it does not show any drivers because I did not push the wifi button on at statup
[02:20] <ubuntu> burner: but  normally it shows drivers
[02:21]  * burner shrugs
[02:21] <burner> and they look installed but no luck in detecting networks?
[02:22] <ubuntu> burner: well the driver is in use yes but then there is this thing calld fwcutter or somthing that does not install
[02:22] <ubuntu> ubuntu: well it didnt work in jaunty either so
[02:23] <burner> are you installed or livecd?
[02:23] <burner> fwcutter refers to firmware
[02:23] <ubuntu> burner: live usb
[02:24] <burner> i bet it works on an installed system
[02:24] <burner> once you get the firmware that is
[02:25] <chu_> Anyone had any luck getting gnome-do to run on Karmic?
[02:25] <ubuntu> burner: ok well I have jaunty installed on this computer but i had no luck there either
[02:25] <ubox> ubuntu: i too am having a horrid time with my broadcom card
[02:25] <ubox> i even tried the driver broadcom supplies for us
[02:26] <menzza> ubox: yeah ;/
[02:26] <ubox> lol
[02:26] <ubox> hey :)
[02:26] <menzza> ubox: hey ;O
[02:26] <menzza> ;P
[02:26] <menzza> ubox: I cant understand why it does not work
[02:27] <menzza> ubox: did u install fwcutter=
[02:27] <ubox> this is going to drive me crazy, it appears to work but i can't connect to anything or see networks
[02:27] <milos_1> is irc working in empathy?
[02:27] <menzza> damn keyboard :P
[02:27] <ubox> not yet menzza
[02:27] <ubox> that is my last resort
[02:27] <menzza> ubox: yeah.. well we have the same issue
[02:28] <ubox> there are already both b43 and b43legacy modules installed, i blacklisted them and not it doesn't work at all. with them not black listed it works but not networks show up
[02:29] <menzza> ubox: yeah.. well one would think that the proprietary driver would work out of the box but guess not
[02:30] <chu_> Or, does anyone know of a good irc channel concerning bison/flex? :p
[02:30] <ubox> ya, i dunno. i'm going to see if i can connect to my phone tethered as adhoc
[02:31] <menzza> ubox: okey
[02:34] <ubox> i'm going to lose my hair
[02:34] <aliendude5300> milos_1: I'm in empathy's IRC right now.Seems to be working
[02:35] <milos_1> aliendude5300: hm, well I'm doing something wrong then
[02:35] <ubox> menzza have you got resume working?
[02:36] <milos_1> aliendude5300: what I need to put in account text entry?
[02:36] <aliendude5300> did you connect to the server, and then type #ubuntu+1 as the room?
[02:36] <ubox> mine suspends to ram but resumes to black, the hdd light goes when i click or type though
[02:36] <aliendude5300> You should leave it blank unless you have a registered account on freenode that identifies via MsgServ.
[02:36] <ubox> it's like it doesn't resume the video
[02:37] <aliendude5300> maybe just put in username
[02:37] <milos_1> aliendude5300: it gives me error, can't connect. Ok, I'll try it
[02:38] <luka> hello, ive installed startupmanager and it downgrade grub... i reinstalled grub-pc but now i cant see the menu on the startup of my computer... how can i fix this?
[02:40] <milos_1> aliendude5300: i don't get it. How empathy knows to which server to connect. Where should I enter this info? Still can't connect
[02:42] <aliendude5300> Select it under network, in my case, I selected "FreeNode".
[02:42] <luka> no idea about this??
[02:43] <nemo> *sigh*
[02:43] <nemo> pulseaudio + SDL still = fail in karmic :-/
[02:44] <Dr_Willis> The grub2 menu can be hidden by default ediut the /etc/default/grub file and comment out the  line about 'hidden'
[02:44] <Dr_Willis> #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[02:44] <Dr_Willis> luka and that should Unhide the menu
[02:45] <luka> ok i will try it thanks
[02:46] <nemo> 100% CPU usage
[02:46] <nemo> on both cores eventually
[02:46] <nemo> (first in process then in, um, pulse I think)
[02:46] <nemo> then lockups
[02:46] <nemo> ugh
[02:46]  * nemo sighs and disables sound again
[02:47] <wastrel> bugs are annoying
[02:47] <wastrel> did you know there's a bug in url parsing in gnome-terminal
[02:47] <oldude67> ugh brain just died, whats the command to run grub?
[02:48] <Dr_Willis> sudo update-grub to have it reconfigure itself
[02:48] <oldude67> thanks...i knew it wasnt nothing huge..just couldnt remember.
[02:49] <nemo>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
[02:49] <nemo>  5418 nemo      20   0  286m 166m  12m R  112  5.5   4:06.41 hwengine
[02:49] <nemo> 23789 nemo      20   0  123m  55m  12m S   46  1.8   9:44.88 compiz.real
[02:49]  * nemo sighs
[02:49] <nemo> and scrambled sound
[02:49] <nemo> until I kill pulseaudio
[02:51] <oldude67> i never thought i would say it, but god i wished they would of left alsa alone...pulse has been nothing but a headache.
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> ive not had any issues with it untill 9.10 - now i get the little poping every time it starts to play a sound after being quiet for a while
[02:52] <nemo>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
[02:52] <nemo>  8368 nemo      20   0  275m 165m  10m R  151  5.5   2:38.30 hwengine
[02:52] <nemo> 23789 nemo      20   0  123m  55m  12m R   30  1.8  10:19.13 compiz.real
[02:52] <nemo> really is at 100% of both cores
[02:52] <nemo> and so on
[02:52] <Dr_Willis> No idea what hwengine even is
[02:53] <nemo> Hedgewars
[02:53] <nemo> .11 uses SDL audio
[02:53] <nemo> .12 uses openal
[02:53] <oldude67> when i first started to use linux as my main system i was using slackware, and alsa was never seeing my sound card, then i switched to ubuntu and didnt have a problem till this pulse audio came out.
[02:53] <nemo> both have major issues w/ pulse
[02:53] <nemo> so does Wesnoth actually
[02:53] <ubox> bah, i hate this thing
[02:53] <Amaranth> nemo: I'm more surprised by the compiz CPU usage
[02:54] <Amaranth> nemo: This game doesn't have a frame limiter?
[02:54] <nemo> I have frame rate restricted to 100fps at the moment
[02:54] <nemo> but I had issues even at 30fps
[02:54] <Amaranth> ah
[02:54] <nemo> this card can do 250fps w/o breaking a sweat
[02:54] <Amaranth> but why?
[02:54] <Amaranth> more than 60 is a waste
[02:54] <nemo> was just playing around
[02:54] <nemo> enjoying new card
[02:56] <Dr_Willis> moar is betterz
[02:56] <Dr_Willis> bye all
[02:56] <milos_1> aliendude5300: where is that network option? I can find it. http://imagebin.ca/view/sTzTU97C.html
[02:56] <milos_1> s/can/can't
[02:59] <aliendude5300> milos_1: whoa... my empathy interface is totally different :/ http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5646/screenshotaccounts.png
[02:59] <nemo> oldude67: you're not the only one. pulseaudio was an experiment and we are the guineapigs
[02:59] <nemo> the free alpha testers
[03:00] <Skif> I haven't been able to record diddly with my microphone since upgrading to karmic. :(
[03:00] <milos_1> aliendude5300: when did you last updated your system?
[03:00] <aliendude5300> Today.
[03:00] <oldude67> nemo, at one time i uninstalled it for a while it was so buggy but i thought maybe i would try for a while to see if it would be use able now. im learning fast its still a pain in the arse.
[03:00] <aliendude5300> worked before then too though
[03:00] <nemo> oldude67: i'm still on it only to support other users of default config
[03:01] <nemo> so I can know their pain
[03:01] <milos_1> hm
[03:03] <darthanubis> Yup, Alpha install disk works but not the Beta...
[03:03] <darthanubis> Good thing I kept the Alpha iso on my computer
[03:04] <milos_1> aliendude5300: I guess I screwed up with dist-upgrade. One telepathy package was removed so it's probably my fault.
[03:06] <pete__> can anyone help me access my work email (tried everything seriously)
[03:08] <nemo> pete__: what is your work e-mail?
[03:08] <nemo> exchange?
[03:08] <pete__> think so
[03:08] <nemo> 2003 or 2007?
[03:09] <pete__> http://webmail.alleghenycounty.us
[03:09] <nemo> try webdav
[03:09] <nemo> in Exchange
[03:09] <nemo> will work against 2003
[03:09] <nemo> you'll need the OWA url
[03:10] <pete__> owa
[03:10] <nemo> owa connector is in Exchange.
[03:10] <nemo> also irc://irc.gimp.net/evolution
[03:10] <nemo> can help too
[03:10] <nemo> I'm playing a game right now
[03:11] <nemo> so slow to answer
[03:11] <nemo> talking between turns of Hedgewars :)
[03:11] <nemo> pete__: Outlook Web Access
[03:11] <pete__> how do i figure out what settings for evelution
[03:11] <nemo> um
[03:11] <nemo> well.
[03:11] <nemo> look and google. and if I have a moment, I can try walking through
[03:11] <nemo> if you don't manage
[03:12] <pete__> k
[03:12] <nemo> try that link above too
[03:12] <nemo> IRC url
[03:12] <nemo> assuming your client supports :)
[03:13] <pete__> k on
[03:13] <nemo> pete__: also. your workplace might support IMAP
[03:13] <nemo> I'll scan later maybe
[03:13] <nemo> that would be perfect
[03:13] <nemo> if they support macs there is a good chance of that
[03:13] <pete__> ok
[03:14] <pete__> i even tried xp in a vm
[03:15] <nemo> that definitely should have worked :)
[03:15] <pete__> did not
[03:15] <pete__> lol
[03:17] <nemo> pete__: webmail.alleghenycounty.us does not have IMAP open :(
[03:17] <nemo> you should ask them to :)
[03:17] <pete__> :(
[03:17] <pete__> hah
[03:17] <nemo> anyway. found the connector for OWA?
[03:17] <pete__> no
[03:17] <pete__> im new to all this sorry
[03:17] <menzza> ok my broadcom wireless works now hooraaay
[03:18] <menzza> but I cant seem to install flash player
[03:18] <nemo> menzza: are you on AMD64? :)
[03:18] <menzza> error message Unable to read filedescriptor
[03:18] <menzza> yes with 32bits ubuntu
[03:19] <nemo> menzza: oh??
[03:19] <nemo> why 32 bit ubuntu?
[03:19] <nemo> that seems silly
[03:19] <menzza> nemo: old laptop :P
[03:19] <nemo> so?
[03:20] <menzza> would not perform any better with 64bit
[03:21] <menzza> atleast i think this beta version is 32bit :D
[03:21]  * nemo fires up exchange while playing Hedgewars to see if he can give pete__ better directions
[03:21] <menzza> how do I check if I have 32 bits or 64 ubuntu?
[03:22] <jbuncher> has anyone set up samba sharing from a winxp guest to a karmic host in virtualbox-ose?
[03:22] <nemo> uname -a ? :)
[03:22] <nemo> jbuncher: wait. why *samba* ?
[03:22] <nemo> oh. 'cause you don't want to use guest additions?
[03:22] <nemo> principle of the thing?
[03:22] <jbuncher> nemo, what else is there to use?
[03:23] <nemo> jbuncher: virtualbox guest additions + host mount
[03:23] <menzza> already got it
[03:23] <jbuncher> nemo, is that possible on the ose virtualbox?
[03:23] <menzza> thx anyway
[03:23] <nemo> jbuncher: nope :)  - thus the "principle of the thing" :)
[03:23] <nemo> me I just add virtualbox to my package hosts
[03:23] <menzza> still dont know why i am not able to install flash player
[03:24] <jbuncher> nemo, yeah.  I'm having issues getting vmware to run each time I upgrade, so I'm trying to not get trapped in another proprietary minefield.  Just want the open source stuff.
[03:24] <nemo> menzza: if you were on 64 bit I'd suggest using the native 10 beta player :)
[03:24] <menzza> nemo: hehe yes :) but on my desktop flash works and that's 32 bit
[03:24] <nemo> jbuncher: mm. virtualbox isn't as bad as vmware
[03:24] <mahdi> Hi, I cannot use persian character in Wine applications ! should I add my language somewhere ?
[03:24] <nemo> jbuncher: and it has never given me problems on upgrade
[03:24] <menzza> nemo: so I dont really see why it would not work on my crappy laptop :P
[03:24] <nemo> jbuncher: good IRC channel too
[03:25] <nemo> menzza: /me shrugs.
[03:25] <nemo> heh
[03:25] <jbuncher> nemo, ok.  Also, in my current vmware vm, I have it set up using samba, so I like that approach.  Not sure if I can do the same thing though.  Does vbox create its own network devices, like vmware does with vmnet?
[03:25] <nemo> jbuncher: and of course, the only difference really is guest additions.
[03:26] <nemo> jbuncher: the vbox manual is much better at explaining. or #vbox on this server
[03:26] <pete__> nemo, so what was i doing lol
[03:26] <nemo> jbuncher: but it is either using host bridging
[03:26] <nemo> jbuncher: or a virtual network.
[03:26] <nemo> relaying to host network device
[03:26] <nemo> jbuncher: anyway. if you decide to use their vbox, you can always switch to OSE.
[03:26] <nemo> jbuncher: the two are basically same apart from guest additions
[03:27] <JamesB192> One of the last 800 or so updates broke KDE4 on my Dell Inspiron 1501. Which is to say I restarted it and the system locks, not even responding to the magic sysrq.
[03:27] <nemo> jbuncher: but guest additions allows for better mouse integration, graphics accel, just better experience in my book. still. congrats on principles and all that :D
[03:27] <nemo> ok... back to pete :D
[03:28] <jbuncher> nemo, yeah, well, it's because compromising my principles with vmware just ends up biting me on every upgrade.
[03:28] <nemo> heh
[03:28] <nemo> so not the same :)
[03:29] <nemo> pete__: ok. are you in the setup wizard for evolution?
[03:29] <pete__> yea
[03:29] <nemo> picked "Microsoft Exchange" ?
[03:30] <pete__> i dont know what ports the server is even on
[03:30] <nemo> don't need port
[03:30] <nemo> exchange uses web connector
[03:30] <nemo> 80 or 443
[03:31] <nemo> pete__: you see the part for OWA URL though, right?
[03:31] <pete__> nemo, dhs\t101352@alleghenycounty.us
[03:31] <pete__> is that a valid login
[03:32] <nemo> could be
[03:32] <pete__> k
[03:32] <nemo> although you might not need the part after the @
[03:32] <nemo> experiment
[03:33] <pete__> ssl?
[03:33] <nemo> that would probably be best
[03:33] <nemo> pete__: BTW, OWA is not ideal. Exchange likes to disconnect me from mine
[03:33] <nemo> pete__: but your server appears to expose nothing else
[03:33] <pete__> um
[03:33] <pete__> i dont see owa
[03:33] <pete__> i see imap etc
[03:33] <nemo> ...
[03:33] <nemo> pete__: in the list of connection types
[03:34] <nemo> Microsoft Exchange is one of them
[03:34] <pete__> yea
[03:34] <nemo> pick that
[03:34] <pete__> ok
[03:34] <nemo> now do you see OWA?
[03:34] <pete__> no im lookingat where it says server type
[03:34] <pete__> no option for owa or exchange
[03:34] <nemo> server type
[03:34] <nemo> Microsoft Exchange
[03:34] <nemo> once you pick that you'll see OWA below
[03:34] <pete__> im serious i dont see that
[03:35] <nemo> pick it already. geez :-p
[03:35] <pete__> im on receiving mail
[03:36] <nemo> pete__: if you really selected Microsoft Exchange
[03:37] <nemo> it would change the options
[03:37] <nemo> this isn't a help channel troll I hope
[03:37] <pete__> i dont see it im serious hold on i think i needed
[03:37] <nemo> those are really annoying
[03:37] <pete__> a plugin
[03:37] <pete__> a troll, seriously dude im not scamming
[03:37] <nemo> 'k :)
[03:37] <nemo> pete__: I thought it could be plugin. but you claimed you saw Microsoft Exchange in list
[03:37] <nemo> if you didn't have plugin you wouldn't see that option
[03:38]  * JamesB192 coughs, 'VNC.'
[03:38] <wastrel> hrm my nautilus is barfing rendering .jpg thumbnails
[03:38] <pete__> nemo, ok got it now
[03:38] <mahdi> Can Wine support other languages ?
[03:38] <pete__> whats the owa url
[03:38] <nemo> http://blog.fosketts.net/2008/08/25/determine-outlook-web-access-url/
[03:39] <nemo> pete__: if you can't figure it out using procedure there. can try guessing syntax
[03:39] <nemo> tends to be pretty standard
[03:40] <pete__> https://server.example.com/exchange/user@example.com/inbox/
[03:41] <wastrel> my evince is broken too
[03:41] <wastrel> hrm
[03:42] <nick125> I could've sworn that Jaunty used 64-bit flash, but it looks like Karmic is using 32-bit...anyway to get the 64-bit flash without manually installing it?
[03:42] <wastrel> my koala is b0rky
[03:43] <nemo> nick125: manual install only AFAIK
[03:43] <nemo> nick125: since 64 bit is still beta
[03:44] <pete__> nemo, https://webmail.alleghenycounty.us/owa/dhs\t101352/?cmd=contents&module=inbox
[03:44] <nemo> https://webmail.alleghenycounty.us/owa - that part is probably all it wants though
[03:44] <nemo> for a URL
[03:45] <pete__> dhst/t101352
[03:46] <pete__> is the user name as far as i know
[03:46] <pete__> using that for a url does not work
[03:48] <nemo> pete__: bleah.
[03:48] <nemo> you tried auth and it failed?
[03:49] <nemo> might be just bad username format
[03:49] <nemo> dhst\t101352 mebbe
[03:49] <pete__> https://webmail.alleghenycounty.us/owa/dhst/t101352@alleghenycounty.us/?cmd=contents&module=inbox
[03:51] <boondoklife> Anyone know whats up with the status on the indicator applet? It has the statuses but none of them are clickable.
[03:51] <nemo> pete__: well. you can always get the OWA from Outlook if you have a preconfigured client somewhere
[03:52] <nemo> pete__: hm. lemme see if I can dig up format of the one I'm using at work
[03:53] <pete__> k
[04:02] <pete__> any idea nemo
[04:02] <nemo> hey. I'm busy playing games :-p
[04:02] <pete__> k..
[04:02] <nemo> BTW, you really should ask 'em whether they have imap open
[04:02] <nemo> and if you have Outlook setup
[04:02] <nemo> look for OWA there
[04:03] <pete__> once i get the owa i should be in business?
[04:05] <nemo> pete__: yep
[04:06] <nemo> pete__: assuming your server's performance is decent
[04:06] <nemo> Exchange can talk to outlook over MAPI (still very very much beta)
[04:06] <nemo> OWA (only 2003 - since MS changed the reverse engineered protocol in 2007)
[04:06] <nemo> or ideally, IMAP/POP
[04:06] <nemo> which Exchange does support
[04:07] <wastrel> ms is bad
[04:14] <Kraln> heh, compiling ubuntu kernel on netbook = die of old age
[04:18] <alankila> last time I compiled kernel from ubuntu packages it compiled something like 20 packages and took gigabytes
[04:18] <nemo> pete__: FWIW, took a break from Hedgewars to pull up my work Evolution config
[04:19] <nemo> pete__: I have username set to just my account name on the network
[04:19] <wastrel> is hedgewars about gardening?
[04:19] <wastrel> what's hedgewars
[04:19] <nemo> pete__: and I have the OWA URL set to https://webmail.mydomain.foo/exchange/
[04:19] <nemo> pete__: g/l
[04:19] <nemo> wastrel: http://hedgewars.org
[04:20] <xnok> bb
[04:20] <wastrel> why is it called hedgewars
[04:20] <nemo> wastrel: if you do decide to try it, don't use the package in repo. http://www.getdeb.net/app/Hedgewars <- that one is up to date
[04:20] <nemo> wastrel: Hedgehog wars ?
[04:21] <alankila> *sigh* content assist in the karmic's ubuntu packages for eclipse is somehow broken. Do I really have to uninstall this package and fetch it from eclipse.org again?
[04:21] <nemo> alankila: heh.
[04:21] <nemo> alankila: personally I use a PPA version
[04:21] <nemo> WFM ok.
[04:21] <nemo> but I had similar-ish issues
[04:21] <nemo> I haven't retested official package lately
[04:21] <nemo> alankila: have you checked to see if old-style content install works? I seem to recall something about new style not working in the eclipse 3.5 tracking bug
[04:22] <nemo> the PPA was mentioned in that bug too
[04:22] <alankila> I am unable to find a way to switch between either new or old style content assist. I can find the preferences item for content assist, though.
[04:23] <alankila> in any case it's not worth the bother. I'll just switch back to the official release.
[04:23] <nemo> alankila: yeah. dunno what to say. I'm sticking w/ the PPA one for a while personally
[04:23] <wastrel> what's content assist
[04:23] <wastrel> ah eclipse nvm
[04:24] <wastrel> scrolled up
[04:24] <nemo> alankila: BTW. the new svn support for Eclipse seems to work much more reliably than subclipse for me.
[04:24] <alankila> Incredibly, I'm still using CVS myself
[04:25] <nemo> wow.
[04:25] <nemo> took me a long time to give up on CVS
[04:25] <nemo> still can do some things svn can't
[04:25] <nemo> but svn has a few better tricks up its sleeve, and support tends to be better
[04:26] <alankila> While I'm inclined to agree, in any case CVS was selected before my time for the projects I'm involved with, and forcing a change isn't anywhere high up in my list of priorities.
[04:26] <nemo> svn migration is pretty automatic :)
[04:27] <alankila> yes, I've seen it done, actually...
[04:27] <nemo> pete__: sooo. did you get my username/url example above?
[04:27] <nemo> hope it helps
[04:27] <nemo> g'nite
[04:28] <alankila> But I've had it in mind to try out git. If I can figure out how that thing works.
[04:39] <DanaG> grr, how do I make devkit-disks mount something with uid bits allowed?
[04:40] <DanaG> I'm trying to chroot to another drive, and it's not respecting SUID.
[04:45] <JamesB192> remove the nosuid flag from /etc/fstab . j/k
[04:46]  * JamesB192 hates rebooting his karmic kubuntu because it seems to have 'issues' getting started very often.
[04:46] <DanaG> It's an external drive, so I don't have it in fstab.
[04:46] <DanaG> Perhaps I should just put it... in fstab.
[04:47] <TheRealmezquital> how come I have to manually grab an ip using ifdown and then ifup??  I have to do this every time I boot up to karmic
[04:47] <TheRealmezquital> i only need to do this while connected using a wire
[04:47] <JamesB192> you would trust arbitrary drives to have suid files?
[04:48] <chu_> Hi guys, I think I didn't enable some repos or something, anyway, does anyone know what I need to add so "sudo apt-get install gnat-gps" works? I had it working on Jaunty, so I installed it from somewhere, I thought I copied the same sources.list across, but perhaps I installed it another way :p
[04:48]  * JamesB192 dons a copper-sheet beanie, 'That's just crazy.'
[04:53] <chu_> Sweet, found it.
[04:54] <chu_> Any Australians here who use bigpond?
[04:56] <fulat2k> hi folks, i just upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 beta.  system's using nvidia restr. driver with intel HD audio rev 02.  for starters, X doesn't startup properly if I choose the new kernel.  keeps on flickering.  if i choose the previous kernel, I get Gnome screen as usual but the sound card doesn't get recognized.  any ideas?
[04:59] <JamesB192> One of the last 800 or so updates broke KDE4 on my Dell Inspiron 1501. Which is to say I restarted it (after upgrades) and logging into KDE the system locks, not even responding to the magic sysrq.
[05:01] <gorgonzola> ok, the latest fglrx update killed my 3d acceleration. help?
[05:04] <JamesB192> I don't suppose there is some easy way to start KDE not all at once to try an isolate my problem.
[05:06] <Amaranth> JamesB192: ati?
[05:06] <gorgonzola> anyone else having problems with fglrx 8.660?
[05:07] <JamesB192> Yes, RS480 and SB600 .
[05:07] <Amaranth> JamesB192: it's kwin compositing killing it
[05:08] <Amaranth> JamesB192: mesa regression
[05:08] <DanaG> RS480 shouldn't use fglrx.
[05:08] <Amaranth> DanaG: and fglrx doesn't use mesa
[05:08] <petafile> So, I can't boot the live CD.  I started trying with alpha 6 and still can't.  Menu loads fine, and then either try/install both just go to a black screen, and install even stops outputting a signal to my monitor.  Can anyone point me to a workaround?
[05:08] <DanaG> hmm, are there overlapping conversations colliding, then?
[05:08] <petafile> gf8800 card
[05:08] <arielCo> Hello everyone. What should I do after an upgrade that was aborted automatically? My system is still functional after installing lots of packages, and dist-upgrade.py tried do "dpkg --reconfigure -a" but I don't know if that succeeded.
[05:09] <Amaranth> DanaG: yeah :)
[05:09] <DanaG> ah, I see... I mixed up gorgonzola and JamesB192.
[05:12]  * arielCo ponders what to do next...
[05:12] <chu_> Sweet
[05:12] <chu_> I can restore my entire Jaunty system.
[05:12] <arielCo> !bug 446916
[05:14] <gorgonzola> DanaG, sorry, were you talking to me?
[05:14] <DanaG> No, I was just getting confused by those two conversations... one about radeon and one about fglrx.  =þ
[05:15] <gorgonzola> oh. anyone here knows why fglrx got svrewed after update to 8.660?
[05:15] <DanaG> hmm, fglrx is working fine for me... but I need the x-server-backclear patch to make window operations not lag like crazy.
[05:15] <gorgonzola> DRI doesn't load, but the module is loaded, and i can't rebuild it with module-assistant
[05:16] <DanaG> fglrx is a DKMS thing.
[05:16] <DanaG> #ati might also be able to help.
[05:16] <gorgonzola> nonono, this is before any patch, i had that in jaunty but removed it now. but i had a manually installed fglrx working all right, now it got updated and is not working anymore
[05:17] <gorgonzola> will ask there...
[05:17] <DanaG> ah, did the manually installed one use packages, or just raw install?
[05:17] <DanaG> If it's raw install, that can cause problems.
[05:17] <yellowrooster> hi. how do i know if i have xine OR gstreamer installed? (I'm wanting to run floola)
[05:19] <gorgonzola> DanaG, i built a deb from the ati .run
[05:19] <DanaG> ah, that's the right way -- cool.
[05:20] <DanaG> Hmm, check in dmesg for fglrx and drm?
[05:20] <gorgonzola> yeah, there's a bunch of meesages there...
[05:20] <DanaG> And check if i915, or radeon, is randomly deciding to load, and blocking fglrx.
[05:20] <gorgonzola> would you mind looking at the logs in pastebin?
[05:21] <DanaG> hmm, I can give it a try.
[05:22] <len> The last round of updates broke fglrx for me.  I switched the the open ati driver, and get a desktop, but kwin crashes repeatedly.  Seems like something is hosed in the last xorg update.
[05:22] <gorgonzola> len my problem precisely
[05:22] <gorgonzola> len do you get a failed dri with fglrx too?
[05:23] <gorgonzola> len cos i can get a working X, but no 3d acc
[05:23] <gorgonzola> len and kwin seems stable for now...
[05:23] <len> I can't even get a desktop.
[05:23] <gorgonzola> len, oh, so you hosed real bad... different issues then.
[05:26] <len> btw, I tired to use the pae enabled kernel (to access more than 3gb in 32-bit mode), but it it kept crashing kwin, but regular (non-pae) bios worked fine.  Now, after last updates regular kwin crashes in regular kernel like it was doing in pae kernel.
[05:27] <len> gorgonzola,  Was your system working ok before today's update?
[05:27] <chu_> Hey guys, how do I turn off the sound whend the gdm-replacement loads? (not the sound when logging into the desktop)
[05:27] <len> Mine was working very nicely (on non-pae) bios before last round of update a couple of hours ago.
[05:28]  * chu_ is happily not updating :p
[05:28] <TheRealmezquital> how come I have to manually grab an ip using ifdown and then ifup??  I have to do this every time I boot up to karmic
[05:29] <len> I should have left well-enough alone, and waited 'til at least rc, if not final for updating.
[05:29] <Amaranth> len: Your kwin crash is a mesa regression
[05:30] <Amaranth> bug 446578
[05:30] <DanaG> ugh, pulseaudio keeps dying and going all spastic.
[05:31] <len> Any Idea why the pae enabled version still had this exact problem even before todays updates?
[05:31] <gorgonzola> len, yup. ok, it had some issues because the kubuntu ppa was carrying a lot of broken packages, and i had to clean and reinstall a whole bunch, but fglrx was wrking flawlessly...
[05:31] <gorgonzola> len i wouldn't know anything a bout this pae fella you mention.
[05:32] <gorgonzola> but i'm pissed at this fglrx thingy. this is sooo dapper or hardy or i dont know how many releases ago. thougt we had it solved by now :@
[05:32] <len> It's the version to get access to more than 3gb on 32-bit
[05:33] <gorgonzola> oh, ok. sounds unstable :P
[05:33] <causasui> anyone else having problems with flash on karmic amd64? specifically, some flash elements do not respond to input from the mouse
[05:35] <len> As of yesterday, my system was running very, very smoothly under karmic.  I was just commenting how much smoother it was running for me than jaunty.  :)
[05:35] <len> Guess I jinxed myself.
[05:45] <len> I don't actually crash back to kdm, I just end up running without a window manager at all, and no plasma panel, which is pretty strange.  Apps are borderless, and you have to shutdown from the file/quit menu item.
[05:49] <commander_> ok guys i'm upgrading 2 9.10 beta .the last time it was no sound.crossing my fingers n wish me luck
[05:49] <gorgonzola> soooo, any help with debugging fglrx? DRI no longer works after update to 8.660
[05:49] <gorgonzola> commander: good luck
[05:49] <alakhia> i upgraded and lost sound as well
[05:49] <alakhia> is that a known bug?
[05:50] <commander_> thnks gorgonzola
[05:50] <alakhia> i'm using mythbuntu if that makes any difference
[05:51] <alakhia> not having sound in mythbuntu really defeats the purpose!
[05:52] <alakhia> so is no sound a known problem or should I report a bug?
[05:52] <alakhia> also,  is there a workaround please?
[05:53] <alakhia> anyone?
[05:54] <khaeru> Hallo
[05:56] <alakhia> hi
[05:57] <X-Sleepy-X> Hi! Is it true that this graphics bug has been fixed with the latest dailt build of Karmic? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/431812
[05:58] <X-Sleepy-X> :)
[05:59] <len> I had lot of sound issues with sound on my mythbuntu machine.   It's working now, so I'm not touching til final.
[06:01] <alakhia> how did you fix it, len?
[06:01] <yellowrooster> hi folks. floola (floola.com) relies on libstdc++5.  I tried  sudo apt-get install libstdc++5. But "E: Package libstdc++5 has no installation candidate"
[06:02] <Amaranth> yellowrooster: it has been removed since it was a part of gcc-3.3 (!)
[06:02] <len> Well, at first it was resetting the front channel to 0 after each reboot, so I had to mess with alsamixer gui after each reboot.
[06:02] <yellowrooster> Amaranth: i see. what do u suggest i use then if i wanna make floola work? (I'm a newbie)
[06:02] <Amaranth> there really is no solution right now
[06:02] <yellowrooster> Amaranth: ok.
[06:03] <Amaranth> someone will probably resurrect it in a PPA or something
[06:03] <RussellAlan> Hello all
[06:03] <chu_> hey RussellAlan
[06:03] <RussellAlan> Had these same problems in kubuntu 9.04, just upgraded to 9.10.
[06:03] <yellowrooster> Amaranth: can i get the file from somewhere? (What do you mean it was removed?)
[06:03] <RussellAlan> Problem: Mouse jumping around eracticly
[06:04] <RussellAlan> Now in 9.10 it's 10x worse.
[06:04] <Amaranth> yellowrooster: I mean gcc-3.3 is like 6 years old so we removed it
[06:04] <gorgonzola> okokok, silly me. last update updated both fglrx AND kernel, so DKMS never ran for this kernel, hence fglrx was incompatible. running DKMS again solved my fglrx issue.
[06:04] <gorgonzola> thanks to all for your time.
[06:04] <yellowrooster> Amaranth: ok. but is there no way to get the libstdc++5 somehow?
[06:04] <yellowrooster> or make some similar file work with floola?
[06:05] <Amaranth> yellowrooster: No way that I would recommend to someone who doesn't already know it (sorry)
[06:05] <yellowrooster> huh?
[06:05] <Amaranth> yellowrooster: If you knew enough about how the system works for me to be comfortable helping you get that file back you would already know how to get that file back
[06:05] <Amaranth> bit of a catch-22, really
[06:06] <RussellAlan> Anyone know how to control the mouse from bouncing around?
[06:06] <ghendar> RussellAlan, KDE?
[06:06] <yellowrooster> let's break the catch-22
[06:07] <RussellAlan> ghendar yes
[06:07] <X-Sleepy-X> RussellAlan: What you need to really is to counter-attack the movements manually. ;)
[06:07] <gorgonzola> DanaG, what was the name for the no-back-fill patch in karmic?
[06:07] <RussellAlan> X-Sleepy-X tried, but it's super slick
[06:07] <RussellAlan> i was on a webpage and it kept going for the same button
[06:07] <RussellAlan> no matter where i positioned my mouse.
[06:07] <RussellAlan> theres a ghost in my system
[06:07] <RussellAlan> that wants me to follow certain twitter accounts
[06:08] <RussellAlan> the tweet ghost!
[06:08] <X-Sleepy-X> RussellAlan: Sounds almost like those fake webpages where you can't hit a button no matter what you try.
[06:08] <Amaranth> yellowrooster: I'll give you a hint: What is the most recent version of Ubuntu that had that package?
[06:08] <yellowrooster> ubuntu 9.04
[06:08] <RussellAlan> yeah but seriously... I am on windows right now because of that bs
[06:09] <yellowrooster> how do i get a ubuntu 9.04 package into my ubuntu 9.10 system?
[06:09] <ghendar> RussellAlan, in KDE4 System Setting->Desktop->Launch Feedback change "Bouncing Cursor" to something else of your choosing
[06:09] <Amaranth> yellowrooster: manually download and install it
[06:09] <yellowrooster> Amaranth: or, is there some way for floola to use a more up-to-date file?
[06:09] <chu_> yellowrooster, manually grab the source and compile it
[06:09] <assoguerozen_sx> guys, k3b didnt working with mp3 files here, thats normal?
[06:09] <chu_> Ergh, too slow.
[06:09] <Amaranth> no no, no need for compiling this one
[06:09] <chu_> Oh, sorry.
[06:10] <len> gorgonzola, I updated fglrx and kenel at same time too, and fglrx stopped working.   What do I need to run?
[06:10] <RussellAlan> ghendar: are you serious? i didnt follow what you were getting at. Do a feedback report?
[06:10] <Amaranth> yellowrooster: http://packages.ubuntu.com/libstdc++5
[06:10] <X-Sleepy-X> Time for me to install the latest daily build.
[06:10] <alakhia> len: I checked alsamixer and sure enuf the front is at 0. I bumped it up to 100 and still no sound
[06:10] <ghendar> RussellAlan, to turn off the bouncing cursor... that was your question no?
[06:10] <X-Sleepy-X> ttyl
[06:11] <RussellAlan> Not bouncing cursor. It moves around without my input
[06:11] <ghendar> RussellAlan, ah... my bad ;)
[06:11] <RussellAlan> heh
[06:11] <alakhia> RussellAlan: not related to KDE's bouncing cursor huh?
[06:11] <yellowrooster> Amaranth: thanks
[06:11] <RussellAlan> i was about to say... theres a mode to make my cursor bounce across the screen to its liking
[06:11] <len> Try messing around, turning the channels on and off after setting to 100.  It's strange.
[06:12] <alakhia> RussellAlan: are you on a laptop using a touchpad?
[06:12] <RussellAlan> laptop.
[06:12] <RussellAlan> but linked into docking station
[06:12] <ghendar> RussellAlan, perhaps they've advanced the libraries so far that it can now read your thoughts for input... stop thinking about it and see if it still moves  ;)
[06:12] <Amaranth> of course libstdc++6 is 3 years old at this point so I would hope people would build against it instead but apparently some don't...
[06:12] <RussellAlan> hmm...
[06:12] <alakhia> so you are using a usb mouse?
[06:12] <assoguerozen_sx> guys, k3b didnt working with mp3 files here, thats normal?
[06:12] <RussellAlan> ghendar, lemme meditate on that one =D
[06:12] <ghendar> RussellAlan, bwaahaaha
[06:13] <RussellAlan> usb mouse yes, but you gave me the idea alakhia, that maybe it is my screen beeing closed.
[06:13] <Amaranth> assoguerozen_sx: Can you play mp3s with other KDE apps?
[06:13] <RussellAlan> although I am on windows right now and not having any issues other then the fact im on windows and probably have 4 trojans installed
[06:13] <assoguerozen_sx> Amaranth not on kde... im using gnome
[06:13] <Amaranth> assoguerozen_sx: so use brasero
[06:13] <assoguerozen_sx> ... =/
[06:14] <assoguerozen_sx> k3b so better
[06:14] <alakhia> assoguerozen_sx: try installing: libk3b6-extracodecs
[06:14] <ghendar> assoguerozen_sx, do you have libk3b6-extracodecs installed?
[06:14] <assoguerozen_sx> but in gnome i can normally work with mp3
[06:14] <assoguerozen_sx> oh lets take a look
[06:14] <RussellAlan> i would love to do a video screen capture to document this ghost cursor.
[06:14] <Amaranth> I thought he needed libxine1-plugins
[06:15] <assoguerozen_sx> ghendar didnt have the lib, now i marked in synaptic
[06:15] <assoguerozen_sx> thx
[06:15] <ghendar> assoguerozen_sx, np
[06:15] <jdsbluedevl> hi, got a weird question.  How do I keep linux-386 from showing up when I run "aptitude -f install"?
[06:16] <jdsbluedevl> I don't want that package, as that kernel messes up my system when I boot from it
[06:16] <yellowrooster> Amaranth: Is there going to be some disadvantages to getting and using a Ubuntu 9.04 package/file in a Ubuntu 9.10 system?
[06:17] <Amaranth> yellowrooster: considering the package doesn't exist in karmic I can't think of any serious ones
[06:17] <yellowrooster> Amaranth: Is there a way to make floola use a more up-to-date lib* file?
[06:17] <Amaranth> yellowrooster: ask them to recompile it
[06:17] <causasui> anyone else having problems with flash on karmic amd64? specifically, some flash elements do not respond to input from the mouse
[06:17] <yellowrooster> ok. will make that suggestion. thanks.
[06:18] <Amaranth> causasui: bug 410407
[06:18] <assoguerozen_sx> causasui had same problem here
[06:18] <alakhia> causasui: are you using flash alpha?
[06:18] <causasui> Amaranth: thanks
[06:18] <assoguerozen_sx> i didnt remember how i solve this problem, lol
[06:18] <Amaranth> causasui: you may be able to get away with using metacity or 64-bit flash to work around it but it still randomly happens in those setups as well
[06:18] <causasui> alakhia: sorry? I downloaded the flash plugin from adobe website, but as I'm using chrome I dont know how to install it
[06:19] <Amaranth> causasui: If you're using chrome it doesn't matter
[06:19] <alakhia> are you using 64-bit or 32-bit OS?
[06:19] <causasui> alakhia: as I said, 64 bit
[06:19] <Amaranth> causasui: turning off compiz may help for you but it may not
[06:19] <causasui> Amaranth: sorry, what doesnt matter?
[06:19] <Amaranth> causasui: but there is no other workaround
[06:19] <alakhia> i have firefox and flash alpha (64-bit) works fine for me
[06:20] <Amaranth> causasui: The problem seems to be caused by out of process plugins
[06:20] <yellowrooster> Amaranth: thanks. floola works now that i got http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/i386/libstdc++5/download
[06:20] <yellowrooster> thakns
[06:20] <Amaranth> causasui: so nspluginwrapper for firefox but chrome _always_ uses out of process plugins
[06:20] <Amaranth> causasui: For some people switching to metacity fixes it
[06:20] <causasui> Amaranth: well, is it fixable by someone else? (ie can I hold out for an update at least?)
[06:20] <Amaranth> But since it affects other WMs too it is not a compiz problem, per se
[06:21] <Amaranth> causasui: Nope, Adobe either needs to fix flash or point out what we're going wrong because as far as I know we're not doing anything wrong in compiz
[06:21] <Amaranth> and it happens to other WMs too
[06:22] <causasui> Amaranth: but as far as I know this doesnt happen in jaunty?
[06:22] <causasui> at least, I didnt have this problem in jaunty
[06:22] <assoguerozen_sx> oh, now have update do nvidia drivers ^_^
[06:22] <Amaranth> causasui: it didn't happen in jaunty, no
[06:22] <Amaranth> causasui: which could also point to a regression in Xorg
[06:23] <Amaranth> causasui: but since we don't have source code for adobe's flash player it makes debugging a pain so...
[06:23] <len> What command  to I need to type to get dkms to rebuild the kernel module for fglrx?
[06:23] <Kraln> hah, fuck you kernel hacker gods. recompiled the 2.6.31 kernel for dell mini 10, recompiled the psb driver so hardware acceleration and acpi works. fuck yeah.
[06:23] <Amaranth> !ohmy
[06:23] <assoguerozen_sx> that guys woking alot to put the finally distro in right date
[06:24] <Kraln> Amaranth: if you had to fix broken drm drivers you'd be cursing too. just saying`
[06:24] <causasui> Amaranth: what's puzzling to me is that about 1/3 of the time, youtube videos respond to mouse input, and 2/3 of the time they dont. when they do work they have different graphics too. its almost like two versions of flash are fighting
[06:24] <Amaranth> Kraln: The patch you are making to the kernel would severely break regular the regular intel driver otherwise we'd probably have it already
[06:25] <Amaranth> I believe intel is trying to merge their psb and i915 kernel modules
[06:25] <len> I typed sudo dkms status and got a lot of error messages so I think that is my problem
[06:25] <Kraln> Amaranth: no no, not that little tiny comment two lines thing. A lot of the internal structs changed for 2.6.31 and almost all of drm wouldn't build
[06:25] <Amaranth> since the poulsbo uses i915 modesetting and 2D
[06:25] <chu_> I'm really impressed with Karmic, but one thing that puzzles me is why my laptop, without hardware acceleration on the gpu detected my laptop's natural resolution (it's a weird sized screen, I forget the exact details), but with hardware acceleration (i.e. proprietry nvidia drivers) it doesn't :?
[06:26] <Amaranth> chu_: That would be a bug in the nvidia driver
[06:26] <chu_> It's not bad, just weird.
[06:26] <Kraln> Amaranth: its too bad they just don't open the drivers. I heard a rumor that the people who wrote the closed drivers didn't use any of the reference firmware
[06:26] <Amaranth> Kraln: Right, it was a completely different team
[06:26] <gorgonzola> len, at least in my case, i had to force a DKMS rebuild of the module. m-a -f get fglrx-kernel-source did the trick, but i'm sure there's a more straigtforward way of making it rebuild
[06:27] <Amaranth> Kraln: Like I said, I think they're trying to merge the open source parts since they are basically identical anyway
[06:27] <gorgonzola> len, but remember, i had a fully functional X, only DRI was failing... so YMMV
[06:28] <Kraln> Amaranth: would be nice. So far so good here ;)
[06:28] <chu_> Also, pop-up notifications appear about an inch below the panel bar? idk, slight irritation I guess :p
[06:28] <Kraln> its almost sad I get to give it back to the fianceé
[06:28] <Amaranth> Kraln: Someone tried to get cheap and power efficient without thinking about the fact that these things were primarily running linux (at the time) so they threw a team together to quickly churn out a driver
[06:28] <Amaranth> Kraln: To be fair the driver sucks on windows too
[06:29] <Kraln> Amaranth: it pretty much blows all around from what I can tell. the hardware isn't terrible, just the driver
[06:29] <Amaranth> Kraln: Well the hardware is less powerful than the iPhone 3Gs from what I've seen
[06:30] <assoguerozen_sx> u guys having some issues to play video files?
[06:30] <causasui> only flash
[06:30] <Amaranth> So to save a little power they went from geforce go 7xxx levels of performance to cell phone levels :P
[06:30] <Kraln> Amaranth: the iphone 3gs has a pretty nice chip. I just want something that doesn't crash and respects acpi =)
[06:30] <chu_> How do I use this "Ubuntu One" application?
[06:31] <Amaranth> chu_: you have to sign up for an account
[06:31] <Amaranth> !one
[06:31] <Amaranth> hrm
[06:31] <chu_> Hah, I should have known, cheers
[06:31] <Amaranth> chu_: then there are some packages in universe that will enable tomboy, firefox bookmark, and evolution contact syncing
[06:31] <Amaranth> and you can make it sync certain files
[06:33] <chu_> I don't even know what tomboy is :p
[06:35] <Kraln> Amaranth: apologies for the cursing earlier. Do you think they're going to have poulubo ready by 9.10
[06:35] <Amaranth> Kraln: 100% no
[06:35] <Amaranth> Kraln: Intel isn't making a 9.10 version
[06:36] <chu_> Well, all set-up now, thanks aain Amaranth
[06:36] <Kraln> So, did they give up?
[06:36] <[31d1]_> speak of the devil i just got a dang gma500 dealie today
[06:37] <Kraln> [31d1]_: I might be coerced into sharing my kernel, headers, and drm module sources. I'm not sure if that's something people would want
[06:39] <[31d1]_> despite liking and being jealous of vista's handwriting recognition software, im _really_ gonna want to be running lunix on this thing Kraln
[06:39] <[31d1]_> i
[06:39] <[31d1]_> oops
[06:39]  * Kraln blinks
[06:40] <Kraln> it is 2.6.31 compiled specifically for atom and gma500. it *is* lunix
[06:41] <[31d1]_> Kraln: yeah, im just saying, i just got it - i havent tried lunixing it up yet
[06:41] <Kraln> your options are 9.04 with some kludges or 9.10 with a *ton* of hackery ;)
[06:41] <[31d1]_> been busy finding out how much of a pita it
[06:41] <[31d1]_> s gonna be;
[06:42] <[31d1]_> aargh, sry - i switched machines - i can't even type on that thing yet :)
[06:42] <[31d1]_> well Kraln I for one would be very interested in your hackery and would like to subscribe to your newsletter
[06:42] <chu_> Does anyone know how to turn off the sound at login window?
[06:42] <Kraln> Bought the dell mini 10 for the fiancee, the one with the honking 1366x768 screen or whatever it is
[06:42] <[31d1]_> nice
[06:43] <Kraln> [31d1]_: you can subscribe to my newsletter at kraln.com =p
[06:43] <[31d1]_> that screen looks nice, and having it come with ubuntu led me to believe it wasnt the crazy nightmare i found out it was while reading up today
[06:44] <[31d1]_> me, i just got a u820 ... sweet kraln.com ... now i know where to find you
[06:45] <[31d1]_> hahah 'if you feel the urge, don't' :(
[06:45] <Kraln> :-P
[06:45] <Kraln> I will post tarballs later
[06:46] <[31d1]_> thing i was reading earlier seemed to imply that the jaunty ppa's were still working on 9.10
[06:46] <[31d1]_> awesome Kraln
[06:48] <Kraln> [31d1]_: sure, but you have to disable acpi to make them work
[06:48] <Kraln> which means... no suspend, resume, display brightness, etc.
[06:48] <[31d1]_> ah
[06:48] <[31d1]_> i want those things!
[06:48] <Amaranth> Kraln: You didn't compile that kernel _on_ the netbook, did you?
[06:48] <Finnish> Is Songbird compatible with iPod on Karmic?
[06:49] <Kraln> Amaranth: you bet :-D
[06:49] <Amaranth> Kraln: Did it take 3 hours?
[06:49] <Kraln> 8.
[06:49] <Amaranth> o_O
[06:49] <[31d1]_> dag
[06:50] <causasui> okay, is there any reason I should be having problems with Truecrypt?
[06:57] <causasui> to be more specific, after installing karmic, truecrypt will not mount an encrypted partition even though the password cannot be wrong
[07:04] <alakhia> got sound working!
[07:04] <alakhia> my "front" setting was mute
[07:04] <alakhia> umuting fixed the sound
[07:05] <Kraln> hmm, all of a sudden no sound
[07:05] <luka> guys, how can i remove grub2 and install grub 1 ??
[07:06] <alakhia> isn't grub 2 supposed to be better?
[07:06] <luka> not for me...
[07:06] <alakhia> i upgraded from 9.04 so my installation is still on grub 1
[07:06] <alakhia> and ext3
[07:06] <luka> yeah buy i want to remove grub2 and install grub 1
[07:07] <luka> i dont know how to proceeed
[07:07] <alakhia> !grub
[07:07] <commander_> almost there
[07:08] <luka> im missing xorg.conf also
[07:09] <luka> ive tried sudo Xorg -configure but it said that x was running...
[07:09] <Kraln> hmm, all sorts of hda-intel irq timing workaround
[07:11] <alakhia> try: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[07:11] <alakhia> oh, nevermind
[07:12] <luka> i want to correct the gamma of my monitor but i dont have a xorg.conf! where do i find it?
[07:12] <alakhia> luka, you probably want to stop X, then run -configure
[07:12] <luka> alakhia: how do i stop x?
[07:13] <alakhia> so, run /etc/init.d/gdb stop
[07:13] <alakhia> er, gdm, not gdb
[07:13] <luka> ok thanks
[07:23] <evilaim> Hey guys
[07:23] <evilaim> Quick question, maybe an issue.
[07:23] <evilaim> My speakers keep making a clicking, like they're turning on and off periodically.
[07:24] <Amaranth> evilaim: ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[07:24] <evilaim> I don't know what you mean by that?
[07:24] <evilaim> it's a known bug?
[07:26] <evilaim> I fixed it
[07:26] <evilaim> it's a system sound issue
[07:26] <evilaim> turning off system sounds seems to have "fixed" it
[07:27] <chu_> does anyone know where I can find the gnat-gps icon? I'm picky, and the menu editor added it as a blank icon :p
[07:27] <[31d1]_> evilaim: that doesn't fix it for me :(
[07:28] <evilaim> You have the same issue?
[07:28] <evilaim> I haven't heard anything since...
[07:29] <evilaim> Nope, you're right
[07:29] <evilaim> haha
[07:29] <evilaim> When I open a mp3 it clicks some more
[07:29] <evilaim> dangit
[07:31] <mac_v> [31d1]_: evilaim: have you guys filed a bug for that? i have same probs too ...
[07:32] <evilaim> No, I don't even know how to
[07:32] <mac_v> evilaim: do you have a launchpad account?
[07:32] <mac_v> or open iD?
[07:32] <evilaim> ya
[07:32] <evilaim> launchpad
[07:32] <mac_v> !bugs
[07:33] <evilaim> Aight
[07:33] <evilaim> I'll submit
[07:33] <evilaim> long as you guys can confirm for me
[07:34] <[31d1]_> im pretty sure theres at least one bug open about it
[07:34] <evilaim> Ya, I'm just searching
[07:34] <mac_v> evilaim: you can use this > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage#Sound
[07:35] <mac_v> once you file it mention it here ,i'll confirm it :)
[07:35] <evilaim> ok
[07:35] <evilaim> I'm doing it now
[07:36] <chu_> is karmic particularly bad with laptop batteries?
[07:37] <Ian_Corne> no
[07:39] <chu_> weird! 1 second ago it was reporting 1 hour remaining (which is weird, as I just unplugged it), and now it's saying 2 hours which is more like what I got from Jaunty
[07:39] <evilaim> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/446977
[07:40] <evilaim> This just seems like pulse/alsa is gimped
[07:40] <evilaim> it's messing up the way the mp3's play
[07:40] <ghendar> evilaim, it's hda audio powersaving
[07:40] <evilaim> What ever that means...
[07:42] <ghendar> the power to your sound card is being turned off after a delay of no use and when it gets turned back on to play audio it makes  apop sound
[07:42] <evilaim> ummm
[07:42] <evilaim> Way to disable it?
[07:43] <ghendar> evilaim, tryinf to remember   lol   1 sec
[07:43] <evilaim> jsjs
[07:43] <evilaim> haha
[07:43] <evilaim> Well, you have 4 guys here that have the same issue;)
[07:44] <chu_> If I am not logged into my old Jaunty partition, can I delete it?
[07:45] <ghendar> evilaim, comment out the line "options snd-hda-intel power_save=10" in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf  it should be at the end of the file
[07:46] <evilaim> umm
[07:47] <evilaim> ok
[07:47] <evilaim> done
[07:47] <Amaranth> ghendar: No, his seems to be happening more rapidly
[07:47] <evilaim> do I have to reboot, or reload a mod?
[07:47] <Amaranth> evilaim: logout, stop gdm, unload the module and load it again
[07:48] <Amaranth> evilaim: might as well just reboot
[07:48] <evilaim> haha
[07:48] <evilaim> ok
[07:48] <ghendar> Amaranth, mine was pretty rapid and that worked for me
[07:49] <ghendar> Amaranth, it's basically several clicks in a row that occur when it goes into powersave and again when it goes out
[07:49] <evilaim> ok
[07:49] <Amaranth> ghendar: did you file a bug? :)
[07:49] <evilaim> about to test
[07:50] <ghendar> Amaranth, several already exist  ex: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/381201
[07:50] <evilaim> ummm
[07:50] <evilaim> fixed
[07:50] <evilaim> thanks a lot
[07:50] <Amaranth> ghendar: need one per person basically
[07:50] <evilaim> So ya, there's your bug fix
[07:50] <ghendar> evilaim, np
[07:51]  * evilaim bows *
[07:51] <Amaranth> ghendar: Unless you know that guy has the exact same sound hardware as you
[07:51] <evilaim> Ya, I can't replicate it now.
[07:51] <evilaim> ballin'
[07:51] <[31d1]_> same, woot
[07:51] <Amaranth> and no, "Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)" doesn't mean it's the same
[07:52] <[31d1]_> man, that was annoying as hell for ages too
[07:52] <evilaim> No doubts.
[07:52] <evilaim> I guess I should edit my report
[07:52] <[31d1]_> mine didn't click if i muted it
[07:52] <Amaranth> and now your battery life is suffering
[07:52] <evilaim> ghendar, can you pm me the fix again?
[07:53] <Amaranth> If I ever see one of you say "but windows gets an extra hour battery life!" I'll be upset :)
[07:53] <evilaim> Can someone paste me what ghendar told me to do please?
[07:53] <evilaim> I'm going to update my launchpad report with it.
[07:54] <[31d1]_> hmm, so you prefer bugs from everyone rather than keeping everyone on the same bug ... interesting
[07:54] <Amaranth> [31d1]_: If you have different hardware, yes
[07:55] <evilaim> come on people
[07:55] <evilaim> haha
[07:55] <Amaranth> If everyone "me toos" on a bug and then the problem is solved for the original reporter everyone flips out when the bug is closed as fixed
[07:55] <[31d1]_> ah
[07:55] <Amaranth> well duh it isn't fixed for you, it's a driver problem and you have different hardware :)
[07:56] <Amaranth> [31d1]_: General things like "app crashes when I click this button" you should all use the same bug report
[07:56] <Amaranth> audio and video driver bugs each piece of hardware should have a different report
[07:56] <[31d1]_> and using ubuntu-bug dumps all the relevant hardware info to the bug?
[07:56] <Amaranth> better to have to close 10 bugs at once then have to keep track of how many different bugs are in one report
[07:56] <ghendar> Amaranth, every time I've files a bug that was the same as one already reported... even though it was different hardware it gets marked as a duplicate
[07:57] <Amaranth> yeah, `ubuntu-bug alsa-base` should give pretty much all needed info
[07:57] <Amaranth> ghendar: apparently the guys working on audio and the triage team don't talk much :/
[07:57] <Amaranth> ghendar: audio and video bugs known to have a common cause will get duped and bugs with programs will get duped no matter what the hardware
[07:58] <evilaim> Well, that was pretty much perfect for me
[07:58] <evilaim> I'll keep beta testing the crap outta this
[07:58] <[31d1]_> ok i'll be nice and file my own unique snowflake for this bug :) so that when i complain that windows gets an extra hour etc :)
[07:58] <evilaim> issue with Empathy
[07:58] <evilaim> but I think it's a theme issue
[07:59] <evilaim> Ok, so question, if shit crashes, and it asks if I want to submit it... is that good enough?
[07:59] <evilaim> Will it actually be recieved by someone?
[08:00] <mac_v> evilaim: it will be sent to launchpad
[08:00] <ghendar> Amaranth, so saying "me too" and appending the hardware it also affects is NOT the way to go?
[08:00] <Amaranth> no
[08:00] <ghendar> evilaim, language
[08:00] <evilaim> sry
[08:00] <evilaim> haha
[08:00] <Amaranth> evilaim: Ideally someone will eventually look at it, yes
[08:00] <mac_v> !language | evilaim
[08:00] <Amaranth> and most of the time it includes the information needed to fix it
[08:01] <mac_v> evilaim: and you need to enter info of what you were doing at the time of the crash :)
[08:01] <mac_v> that helps debugging it
[08:01] <Amaranth> but if someone asks for more information and you don't reply within a week don't expect anything to be done with the bug for a few months...
[08:02] <mac_v> evilaim: so basically its what Amaranth said.... nearly self-service ;)
[08:03] <evilaim> :)
[08:04] <evilaim> I'll tell you straight up tho
[08:04] <evilaim> this ubuntu is the best lookin' ubuntu I've ever seen hands down
[08:04] <evilaim> "dust theme"
[08:04] <evilaim> 100% mint to me
[08:04] <[31d1]_> hey Amaranth you seem like someone that i can ask this - apt full-upgrade has been wanting to remove grub and startupmanager, in order to upgrade grub-common and grub-pc, for the last few days
[08:05] <Amaranth> [31d1]_: right, that's replacing grub with grub2
[08:05] <[31d1]_> i'm a bit leery of doing that, at the same time it seems like maybe thats desired
[08:05] <Amaranth> and startupmanager only works with grub1
[08:05] <[31d1]_> im already on grub2 - but OK
[08:05] <[31d1]_> excellent thanks
[08:05] <commander__> ok i have no sound help please
[08:06] <mac_v> !details | commander_
[08:06] <evilaim> Is is bad to be inlove with your OS?
[08:06] <[31d1]_> depends on the oS
[08:06] <evilaim> I think I want little EvilBuntu babbies...
[08:06] <evilaim> babies*
[08:06] <mac_v> lol
[08:07] <evilaim> Seriously, this OS is so crisp now...
[08:07] <evilaim> I remember 7.04... what a show that put out... but now 9.10 is just beautiful
[08:07] <Amaranth> evilaim: I agree, dust is win: http://www.realistanew.com/random/desktop20091007.png
[08:08] <[31d1]_> evilaim: for example, this is bad: http://www.andrew-turnbull.net/tech/windows95.html
[08:09] <evilaim> oh oh my turn!
[08:09] <evilaim> http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/5437/screenshotzd.png
[08:10] <evilaim> What you think of her?
[08:10] <commander__> help i have no sound
[08:10] <evilaim> some thing called npviewer keeps crashing
[08:10] <commander__> period
[08:10] <mac_v> Amaranth: why do you have a separate applet for weather? when you could use the clock for weather too :)
[08:10] <Amaranth> mac_v: no forecast
[08:10] <mac_v> oh ok... yeah
[08:11] <evilaim> I'd shoot myself if I was still using windows 95...
[08:12] <evilaim> hey amaranth, I see you're using gnome-do
[08:12] <evilaim> I'm actually about to install it again
[08:13] <evilaim> Way nicer then AWN
[08:13]  * mac_v likes cairo-dock ;)
[08:13] <evilaim> Don't even know what that is
[08:13] <LSD|Ninja> Amaranth: what theme/font/icon set is that?
[08:14] <Amaranth> LSD|Ninja: Dust/Lucida Grande/Humanity-Dark
[08:14] <Amaranth> all but one of those is in the default karmic install :)
[08:14] <mac_v> evilaim: cairo-dock is awn , but better
[08:14] <mac_v> is like*
[08:15] <Amaranth> mac_v: seeing any issues with cairo-dock in karmic?
[08:15] <LSD|Ninja> Amaranth: which one, and how many hoops do you have to jump through to get it?
[08:15] <mac_v> Amaranth:  if you are not using ATI , the OpenGL stuff is awesome ,... else there are some problems with ATI , not th edock though
[08:16] <Amaranth> LSD|Ninja: the font and legally you need to be dual booting Ubuntu with OS X on a mac to get it
[08:16] <evilaim> Man, BEAUTIFUL
[08:16] <evilaim> I love gnome-do
[08:17] <|eagles0513875|> commander__: thats my issue as well on my duel boot on my macbook pro
[08:17] <|eagles0513875|> recompilation of alsa is in order for me i think
[08:17] <evilaim> Wow, I can't belive how hot this OS has become...
[08:17] <commander__> i heaar ya..the last time this happen someone on here told me it might be my 56k modem
[08:17] <evilaim> Now, I wish I could just change icons...
[08:18] <evilaim> then I'd be bonus;)
[08:18] <commander__> i have a HP Pavilion dv6833us notebook
[08:18] <Amaranth> evilaim: err, you can
[08:18] <Amaranth> evilaim: click on the customize button in appearance properties
[08:18] <evilaim> The one beside "applications" up top
[08:18] <LSD|Ninja> Amaranth: Apparently they supply it in TTF format with Safari for Windows, I'll have to check that out when this netbook project I'm working on gets closer to fruition
[08:19] <evilaim> I know how to change the regular ones:)
[08:19] <[31d1]_> that win 95 guy also had a rant about how usb sucked because what was wrong with ISA and now he has all these perfectly good ISA cards and what is he supposed to do with them
[08:19] <|eagles0513875|> ill be back
[08:19] <Amaranth> evilaim: that's dependent on the theme but why would you change it?
[08:19] <evilaim> Cuase, my whole theme is black and blue
[08:19] <evilaim> it sticks out like a soar thumb
[08:19] <commander__> the card is a ALSA268
[08:20] <Amaranth> evilaim: ask whoever makes your theme to fix it
[08:20] <evilaim> That seems a bit much
[08:20] <evilaim> I should be able to change is some wheres:)
[08:20] <Amaranth> evilaim: it's a themeable icon, the proper place is the theme
[08:22] <evilaim> WOW
[08:22] <evilaim> did it
[08:22] <evilaim> haha
[08:22] <evilaim> scope this icon set out
[08:22] <evilaim> http://www.junauza.com/2008/08/10-really-cool-icon-sets-for.html
[08:22] <evilaim> #1
[08:23] <evilaim> It is very sleek
[08:23] <mac_v> Amaranth: what happened to the 'activity info' in launchpad bugs?? where is the option to see that now... /me somehow cant find it :(
[08:24] <len> Well, I figured out my fglrx problem.  I purged, reinstalled, and did an aticonfig --initial f.  It starts in wrong video mode, but corrects itself when I go to Display settings.  I monkey around, and get it so the display is right and save the configuration, but get this:  Next time I boot the auto KDMS installation service runs and screws everything up all over again!
[08:24] <Amaranth> mac_v: *shrug*
[08:24] <Amaranth> mac_v: if you remember the URL for it I bet it still works
[08:24] <mac_v> :(
[08:25] <evilaim> Now, maybe you guys know
[08:26] <evilaim> I want to change 2 things: when I open up firefox, the logo in Gnome-Do is still orange I want to change that...
[08:26] <len> screws it up so it won't boot and won't boot and give low-video debugging option.  Seems like there is some serious bug here.  Why does the auto DKMS screw it up and how do I stop the vicious loop?
[08:26] <evilaim> and I want to change the 'gnome-do' icon I click on to "do" stuff...
[08:29] <evilaim> *YAWN*
[08:32] <ghendar> evilaim, you click on an icon? doesn't that kind of defeat one of the strengths of gnome-do, which is to not have to use your mouse?
[08:33] <evilaim> What?
[08:34] <commander__> so what do i do? do i wait til the 29 for all of the bugs to be out just to get sound
[08:34] <ghendar> If you have gnome-do running press WIN-SPACE to bring up the launcher
[08:34] <evilaim> neat
[08:34] <evilaim> but I also have multiple workspaces
[08:34] <evilaim> how do I ALT-TAB to those?
[08:34] <evilaim> haha
[08:35] <joaopinto> commander__, did you report the bug already ?
[08:35] <commander__> yes
[08:38] <joaopinto> commander__, did you read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting also ?
[08:38] <evilaim> Weird, my Print Screen doesn't work anymore...
[08:38] <ghendar> evilaim, are you in KDE or gnome?
[08:38] <commander__> yep went there again too
[08:38] <yoritomo> hello everybody
[08:39] <joaopinto> commander__, there are some complex problems related to audio hw support, whatever problem you are facing may not be fixed until the final release
[08:39] <joaopinto> commander__, did you had sound with a previous release ?
[08:39] <yoritomo> can anyone tell me what is akonadi exactly? As i could see on the doc it is a storage utility but no more details, and what is the utility on mormal usage ?
[08:39] <omac> I was thinking about boot up using the USB drive....why is it that there is no code to deal with the I/O Error when the /dev/fd0 is not talking(i.e. not there, but the BIOS says it's there).  Wouldn't it make sense for the boot up to have some logic that after 3 tries to talk to the floppy, it gives a message saying the error, disables the fd0 device and moves on to interface with the remaining devices on the pc instead of hanging and giving the user the
[08:39] <evilaim> whoa
[08:40] <ghendar> !verbosity  ;)
[08:40] <commander__> yes'
[08:42] <commander__> joa it might be my modem tht eating up the sound but i don;t know how to remove it...
[08:44] <evilaim> Ok guys
[08:44] <evilaim> it's 1:45 in the AM
[08:44] <evilaim> I think that's enough beta testing for me...
[08:44] <evilaim> I'mma drink this beer and then pass out
[08:44] <evilaim> So, where is everyone from
[08:44] <evilaim> ?
[08:44] <yoritomo> Akonadi looks important element because is in the ubuntu menu ?
[08:45] <yoritomo> Belgium
[08:45] <evilaim> Nice, I'm in Canada.
[08:45] <NoReflex> Hello! I'm having some problems with Font Smoothing on KDE 4.3. After a reboot even though Font Smoothing is enabled in SystemSettings the fonts look as if there's no font smoothing. I'm using Karmic.
[08:47] <yoritomo> Canada is beautiful but too cold :( anyway last winter here we had -21C on 7th january :)
[08:49] <Gekz> it was 46C here
[08:49] <Gekz> on the same date
[08:49] <omac> evilaim:  I'm from Canada also, but I currently am working in China.
[08:50] <commander__> any ideas
[08:50] <omac> I kill time by having fun with Linux.
[08:50] <omac> That's when I'm not busy with whatever the better half wants :)
[08:51] <yoritomo> rosegarden not working with jack :s
[08:51] <omac> I think ubuntu rocks...I think debian rocks.
[08:51] <yoritomo> what a hell again, said could not connect to Jack, Jack is launched anyway
[08:51] <evilaim> Nice
[08:51] <evilaim> Where about in canada?
[08:51] <omac> yoritomo: install jackd.
[08:52] <evilaim> Right now we're at -9
[08:52] <omac> If you only have the jack client, it would do anything.
[08:52] <omac> once installed, you still need to start the jack client, and tell it to start jackd.
[08:52] <yoritomo> jackd already installed and working
[08:53] <evilaim> Yep, I do love this OS a lot
[08:53] <yoritomo> other apps works fine , but not rosegarden
[08:53] <evilaim> Oh, anyone know how to change the login screen?
[08:56] <omac> the karmic version is beautiful, but if you boot off the usb thumb drive and if the PC BIOS has floppy 1.44MB drive enabled but physically the drive is not there, the boot just hangs there giving the user the impression ubuntu sucks.  As a constructive criticism, the developers should add in some graceful recovery and continue to boot code if the floppy /dev/fd0 has an I/O error.  Normal users don't care to see boot errors.  They just want it to work and
[08:56] <wekt> with NetBook Remix, how can user make maximus not run? I want to make the UI like non-NetBook Remix.
[08:56] <joaopinto> hum, is it just me, or tomboy does not run ?
[08:57] <omac> I'll admit rosegarden didn't work for me, but want do you think of ardour?
[08:57] <wekt> joaopinto: i will check
[08:57] <omac> yoritomo: how about ardour?
[08:57] <joaopinto> Unhandled Exception: System.InvalidOperationException: Could not read add-in description
[08:57] <joaopinto> I just got this error
[08:57] <evilaim> weird
[08:57] <evilaim> they changed it...
[08:57] <evilaim> I can't find the place to change my login screen...
[08:58] <wekt> joaopinto: runs for me.  i ran it for first time. perhaps it chokes on you existing data?
[08:58] <omac> yoritomo: how about freebirth, horgand, fmit, zynaddsubfx?
[08:58] <joaopinto> wekt, I have rm .tomboy just in case
[08:58] <joaopinto> oh wait
[08:58] <joaopinto> its .config/tomboy/
[08:58] <wekt> tomboy: Installed: 1.0.0-0ubuntu2
[08:59] <joaopinto> wekt, deleting config work, still a bug, for the update progress
[08:59] <evilaim> Anyone?
[08:59] <omac> tomboy is a post it application.  How about you install another postit app instead of tomboy?  Tomboy uses mono(Microsoft-C# based app stuff).  There are other post-it apps not dependent on mon.
[08:59] <yoritomo> omac rosegarden  worked perfectly before, i don't like ardour for vsti
[08:59] <omac> mono
[09:00] <yoritomo> i don't know the other ones
[09:00] <evilaim> This is getting annoying
[09:00] <Gekz> isnt't there a C or Vala port of Tomboy coming
[09:00] <Gekz> called Gnotes or something
[09:00] <evilaim> Ummm, can anyone find the place to change the login screen?
[09:01] <yoritomo> omac for me the main feature and almost the only one necessary is the perfect vsti emulation
[09:01] <topyli> Gekz, yes, gnotes is a c++ tomboy clone and it's already there
[09:01] <yoritomo> Gekz tomboy works perfectly on Gnome
[09:02] <commander__> well guys i'll have to wait til the final release comes out to get sound
[09:02] <Gekz> topyli: well there we go
[09:02] <NoReflex> I must be doing something wrong ... don't matter if I enable or disable Font Anti-aliasing in Kubuntu Karmic...the fonts look BAD. Anyone else experience this?
[09:02] <omac> joapinto:  there we go...gnotes :)
[09:02] <NoReflex> evilaim: System -> Administration -> Login Screen?
[09:02] <evilaim> nope
[09:02] <evilaim> doesn't allow me to change it
[09:03] <Gekz> click Unlock
[09:03] <joaopinto> oh no, not the anti-mono campaign here, please
[09:03] <evilaim> Still... doesn't allow me to change it
[09:03] <Gekz> lol I like mono
[09:03] <evilaim> I don't mean the settings
[09:03] <evilaim> I mean the actual login screen...
[09:03] <NoReflex> evilaim: is there a specific error you get? are the fields disabled?
[09:03] <omac> NoReflex:  What have you got your System->Preferences->Appearance->fonts set to?
[09:03] <evilaim> I was able to use a custom one... now you can't...
[09:03] <evilaim> It just isn't there...
[09:04] <NoReflex> omac: I'm using Kubuntu Karmic (KDE4.3)
[09:04] <joaopinto> omac, I don't care about the app language as long it's open source, and I am not a lawyer to have debates with you about mono, I trust on the ubuntu tecnhical team
[09:04] <Gekz> topyli: gnote crashes on Karmic
[09:04] <Gekz> lol
[09:04] <evilaim> No one remembers that? you just click login screen, then it came up with choice, where you could upload/select a different screen, so when you login, you get to see what picture/login screen appeas...
[09:04] <evilaim> appears*
[09:04] <evilaim> a GDM on gnome-look.org
[09:04] <Gekz> GLib-GObject-ERROR **: Attempt to add property GtkMenuBar::local to class after it was derived
[09:04] <Gekz> aborting...
[09:04] <joaopinto> evilaim, you can't change themes on the new GDM
[09:05] <evilaim> why not?
[09:05] <Gekz> evilaim: because Ubuntu wants to be Windows when it grows up
[09:05] <joaopinto> evilaim, because is not yet implemented on the newer version that comes with karmic
[09:05] <joaopinto> Gekz, please stop being stupid
[09:05] <evilaim> Oh, dang....
[09:05] <Gekz> haha
[09:05] <evilaim> Ok, good enough for me
[09:05] <evilaim> I guess I can deal with that
[09:05] <NoReflex> evilaim: I'm using Kubuntu now. I remember you could do it that way in Ubuntu Jaunty. If that doesn't work - I don't know what else to suggest
[09:06] <joaopinto> evilaim, you can just change the gtk theme, but not the overall gdm layout
[09:06] <wekt> Gekz: that would be xandros
[09:06] <topyli> yeah gdm isn't configurable in karmic, at least from the UI
[09:06] <evilaim> ok
[09:06] <evilaim> how do I change the theme then?
[09:06] <wekt> Gekz: or lindoze  / linspire
[09:06] <joaopinto> let me try to remember
[09:06] <Gekz> not really.
[09:06] <joaopinto> !ot | wekt , Gekz
[09:07] <NoReflex> evilaim: System -> Preferences - Appearence if I remember correctly- or right click on the desktop
[09:07] <omac> joapinto:   How about trying xpad or xpostit?
[09:08] <evilaim> Nope, awe well
[09:08] <evilaim> I'll wait for the 29th to complain:)
[09:08] <evilaim> I'm sure they have enough to do without me complaining
[09:08] <joaopinto> omac, do you actually read my previous text ? Why should I ?
[09:08] <joaopinto> I am happy with tomboy
[09:08] <yoritomo> i need to go, see you later all, and thanks omac for your hints
[09:09] <topyli> tomboy can't really be replaced with a sticky notes app
[09:09] <evilaim> Aight, it's bed time for me
[09:09] <joaopinto> evilaim, I don't remember the instructions right now, it involved running dbus-launch; gnome-appearance-properties with gdm
[09:09] <evilaim> Thanks for all the help guys.
[09:09] <evilaim> Thanks tho bro.
[09:09] <evilaim> I'll be on tomorrow, and I'll see if I can fix this up
[09:09] <evilaim> G'night all
[09:09] <omac> gn
[09:15] <ActionParsnip> hey guys, is gnome-vfs-obexftp in the pipeline for karmic?
[09:15] <xorAxAx> hi, my problem: i cannot activate standby in my shutdown menu. `pm-suspend` works, though
[09:16] <omac> ActionParsnip:  You are using bluetooth and obexftp with your phone.
[09:16] <ActionParsnip> omac: its some guy asking on launchpad and I cant find it in my repos and ubottu says its not around
[09:16] <omac> have you installed all the bluetooth?
[09:16] <ActionParsnip> and its a dependancy of gnome-desktop-environment
[09:17] <omac> obexftp is in the 9.04 repo so I'm sure it should be here too.
[09:17] <ActionParsnip> !info gnome-vfs-obexftp
[09:17] <ActionParsnip> omac: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/85277
[09:17] <WIGGMPk> Im trying to install 9.10 amd64 alternate on a BIOS RAID0 setup and it prompts me to install a boot loader (or at the boot loader install step) I select GRUB and it just keeps prompting.
[09:21] <omac> ActionParsnip:  http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/gnome-vfs-obexftp/0.4/
[09:21] <ActionParsnip> omac: thanks, i'll post the link to the dude :)
[09:21] <omac> ActionParsnip:  It's not the most elegant, but it will get him up and running.
[09:21] <omac> ./configure;make;make install;
[09:21] <ActionParsnip> omac: true
[09:22] <omac> If he wants to avoid the switch in the interim.
[09:22] <omac> just use the obexftp command line interface.
[09:23] <omac> I know it's all workaround, but I'm sure the obexftp will come with the release.
[09:23] <joaopinto> ActionParsnip, if's not there already, it will not come
[09:23] <omac> considering it's in the dependency confirms it.
[09:23] <ActionParsnip> definately, thanks
[09:23] <ActionParsnip> yeah i said he'd have to wait, or compile
[09:23] <ActionParsnip> and to log a bug
[09:23] <joaopinto> there is an obexftp package
[09:24] <joaopinto> obexftp - file transfer utility for devices that use the OBEX protocol
[09:24] <omac> yes.
[09:24] <omac> that'll get him talking to his phone.
[09:24] <omac> but he still needs the bluetooth stuff.
[09:25] <omac> actionparsnip:  bitpim might work for him too.
[09:26] <omac> I haven't had success with bitpim, but the gnome-vfs-obexftp and the obexftp both work for me and they are adequate for getting/putting stuff on the phone.
[09:26] <topyli> ActionParsnip, gnomevfs is deprecated
[09:27] <topyli> not a good idea to bind your bluetooth stack to a non-existing vfs :)
[09:27] <omac> topyli: what do you recommend then?
[09:28] <topyli> omac, gnome-bluetooth, nautilus-sendto
[09:29] <aprilhare> hey. i want to report a bug - my microsoft vx-1000 webcam no longer works under karmic - where do I go?
[09:30] <omac> topyli:  gnomeVFS api:  Deprecated Application Registry API — formerly used for managing applications.  Replaced by GnomeVFS MIME Database API
[09:33] <omac> topyli:  April 08, 2008 10:39 AM
[09:33] <omac> gnome-vfs was recently deprecated with the release of GLib 2.16 and GNOME 2.22.
[09:33] <omac> application developers should use the GIO API, instead; there are command line utilities as well shipped inside the gvfs backend for GIO.
[09:34] <topyli> i know, i just said so :)
[09:35] <omac> topyli:  GVFS is a userspace virtual file system with backends for protocols like SFTP, FTP, DAV, SMB, ObexFTP. GVFS is the replacement for GNOME-VFS. GNOME-VFS should now be considered deprecated, and developers should not use it in new applications.
[09:36] <joaopinto> probably: ubuntu-bug linux
[09:36] <topyli> omac, i am aware, no need to tell me :)
[09:36] <omac> ActionParsnip:  gvfs might be there instead of gnome-vfs
[09:36] <ActionParsnip> if i get a new video driver via updates, will a restart of the x server suffice to load it or is a reboot needed?
[09:37] <ActionParsnip> omac: gotca
[09:37] <topyli> it is
[09:37] <ActionParsnip> topyli: thanks, no biggy right now
[09:39] <wekt> What is UEC?
[09:42] <ActionParsnip> !uec
[09:42] <ActionParsnip> wekt: http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/cloud/UEC
[09:43] <ActionParsnip> 1 more thing to make my desktop perfect, how can I remove service stops from the shutdown process please?
[09:50] <topyli> so do we have any workaround(s) to get mobile broadband working? mine doesn't work either with bluetooth or usb
[09:52] <wekt> ActionParsnip: thanks for the info.  Found the doc you need i think:  /usr/share/doc/upstart/README.Debian     .  At beginning it says where the scripts are.  i think you could remove the script or replace it with a link to /bin/true , but i am not certain.  I will want to find out how to do that also.
[09:54] <cybersplice> You causing havoc, ActionParsnip?
[09:54] <cybersplice> :)
[09:54] <wekt> ActionParsnip: more info  http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/
[09:57] <ActionParsnip> cybersplice: as always :)
[09:58] <ActionParsnip> wekt: will check it out
[09:58] <ActionParsnip> stupid noip2 makes the shutdown process take forever
[09:58] <ActionParsnip> so i'm carving it out
[10:00] <ghendar> wekt, HA  I love their naming of the link "OMGBroken"
[10:01] <cybersplice> ghendar: Sense of humor is a vital part of any oss development project.
[10:01]  * cybersplice is a fish is a fish is a fish is a fish.
[10:01] <ActionParsnip> cybersplice: and it did follow wherever I did go
[10:02] <cybersplice> ActionParsnip: The broken link, or the fish? My iSCSI is all configured now. Going to test it with an 9.10 server install, methinks.
[10:02] <wekt> I need to see whether a patch has been integrated, but apt-get source just gives me a big ubuntu1 patch.  Are the components of that patch some place?
[10:07] <|eagles0513875|> hey wekt
[10:09] <ActionParsnip> cybersplice: its a monty python song, about a fish
[10:09] <omac> cybersplice: hhgtg isn't it?
[10:10] <omac> oops confused
[10:11] <cybersplice> sdflskjd!
[10:11] <|eagles0513875|> lol
[10:12] <cybersplice> I haven't seen  any of the monty python films like like a decade.
[10:12] <cybersplice> ... not a very good brit, am i?
[10:14] <ActionParsnip> it all good
[10:16] <Myxb> hi, i get osd notification showing one "black box" lower than they should, leave an empty space between a message and the upper gnome panel. how to fix?
[10:19] <wekt> Myxb: i don't understand completely.  Take a screenshot?
[10:24] <omac> topyli:  Have you gotten answer for your 3G mobile broadband connection:  http://www.linux.co.uk/docs/center/how-to/how-to-get-online-with-3g-broadband
[10:29] <topyli> omac, actually i did, sorry for not reporting. USB connections are fixed in the latest n-m
[10:29] <topyli> bluetooth still doesn't work but at least i can get online
[10:30] <omac> topyli:  wait a sec....you are connected to a phone aren't you?
[10:31] <topyli> omac, yes
[10:31] <omac> your phone needs to have the proper settings to enable bluetooth on.
[10:31] <omac> by default it's off.
[10:31] <omac> for example if you have a photo on your phone, you need to set the permissions for that photo...enable bluetooth for that file.
[10:32] <omac> but do you have a bluetooth dongle on your pc?
[10:32] <omac> you need a bluetooth dongle on your pc to speak to your phone with bluetooth.
[10:32] <topyli> omac, yes file transfers work fine. only the modem part does not (via bluetooth)
[10:35] <omac> I'm confused...what is the advantage of using bluetooth to connect to the internet with your phone over your usb cable?
[10:35] <topyli> no cable :)
[10:37] <topyli> omac, i have an itsy bitsy eeepc. i go to a meeting, or a pub or whatever. with a cable, i have to whip out the netbook and the phone, connect the cable and then go online. with bluetooth i can just open up the netbook and connect
[10:38] <jamiewan_> topyli: now thats just plain lazy lol
[10:38] <Myxb> wekt: here is the screenshot http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6483/osd.png. the notifications of backlight and sound volume show as they should in the "1st" position. all other notifications behave similarly to the one on the picture.
[10:38] <topyli> jamiewan_, the difference is not terribly big, no :)
[10:39] <topyli> it does make a difference if you have to get up and move. the eeepc moves with you easier than an eeepc with a phone dangling from it at the end of the cable
[10:41] <omac> topyli:  http://www.astahost.com/info.php/Mobile-Broadband-Ubuntu-Bluetooth_t19728.html
[10:41] <omac> Did this ever work for you?
[10:41] <omac> topyli:
[10:42] <|eagles0513875|> hey guys im trying to do my own remix of ubuntu how do i tell it what default programs are on the live cd?
[10:42] <causasui> something is seriously fucked with gksudo
[10:42] <topyli> omac, it did, and it does. using ppp directly has the disadvantage that all your gnome programs will still think you're offline because they disten to the network-manager state
[10:43] <topyli> (at least i think it still does work, haven't tried on karmic)
[10:44] <wekt> eagles0513875: what is 'it'?
[10:44] <omac> topyli:  your talking about firefox saying that you are offline and the little networking icon having an x on it.
[10:45] <topyli> omac, aye. and evolution, empathy, pretty much anything that wants to be online
[10:45] <omac> topyli:  firefox has a file->work offline->toggle off.  With regards to the little networking icon saying that you are offline...ignore it.
[10:45] <wekt> Myxb: i don't know where that is defined.  Try asking people associated with libnotify
[10:45] <topyli> omac, i know :)
[10:45] <omac> ok.
[10:45] <omac> So you're just talking about trying to remove the annoyances.
[10:46] <topyli> omac, yes since they're regressions from jaunty
[10:47] <omac> I'll be honest, I don't use the networking icon either.  I prefer the good old pppconfig and whatever else that's a curses gui to config the networking :)
[10:47] <Myxb> wekt: question is whether it is a bug and whether it is a general behavior for karmic. i upgraded from jaunty and probably a clean install does not have this effect.
[10:47] <omac> after that, these go into a script that I run and starts my firewall which isn't the standard ubuntu firewall ipfw and the gui frontend for it.  I prefer shorewall/shorewall6.
[10:48] <omac> They are much more configurable and they can shape traffic.
[10:49] <topyli> i like network-manager. when it works, it's wonderful. when it doesn't though, it fails spectacularly
[10:49] <omac> It's a bit of work to setup but the work is worth it considering it's faster than the others I've tried.  I liked bastille also, but there was a bug for it in jaunty which forced me to move to shorewall.
[10:50] <topyli> i haven't had use for a firewall in many many years. last time i touched iptables was to setup connection sharing at some point
[10:52] <Shirakawasuna> Hi, I'm using the beta on a netbook (just installed) and am having some networking issues.  I'd like to set up my home network (wireless) with a static DNS (ideally static IP as well), but every time I go to make the setting, it completes fine and then does nothing.  If I recheck the config dialog, it still reads 'DHCP'.  All I've done so far is set up my homeless network and click the 'make available to all users' option (which
[10:52] <Shirakawasuna> is the suspected culprit so far)
[10:52] <omac> I had a tplink router, and it didn't perform well.  If I connect directly to the internet, the performance bandwidth and the shorewall perceivably outperform ipfw or tplink's routing/firewall!
[10:53] <Shirakawasuna> any ideas?
[10:53] <Ian_Corne> Shirakawasuna: all up to date? i've had that before
[10:53] <Ian_Corne> but it got fixed in an update
[10:53] <omac> I must admit, it seemed to be an old tplink router though.
[10:53] <Shirakawasuna> Ian_Corne: it's hard to update when nothing will resolve...
[10:54] <topyli> heh
[10:54] <Shirakawasuna> but I'll see if I can get ethernet working :)
[10:54] <Ian_Corne> Shirakawasuna: well, you'll haebv to
[10:54] <Ian_Corne> you can edit the /etc/resolv.conf file yourself
[10:54] <Shirakawasuna> hmm
[10:54] <Ian_Corne> and make it work
[10:54] <Shirakawasuna> indeed, I was being dumb
[10:54] <Ian_Corne> :p
[10:54] <Shirakawasuna> I'll just edti resolv.conf and update :D
[10:57] <omac> Shirakawasuna: If you are connecting to the wireless router at home, your router is connecting to the internet using dhcp and then the router assigns an ip to your netbook via dhcp also...your netbook will have a 192.167.0.blah address meaning you have a lan address.
[10:57] <Shirakawasuna> omac: I'm aware ;)
[10:57] <Shirakawasuna> I prefer static
[10:57] <omac> Shirakawasuna:  you may only receive a static ip address if you pay for it up-front by the ISP.
[10:58] <Shirakawasuna> it's a local address... I already use static
[10:58] <Shirakawasuna> you don't configure your internet connection's dhcp/static settings from the nm-applet config :D
[10:58] <omac> If you prefer to have a static local-area-network(LAN) address, you must configure your router to provide the static ip address associated with your MAC address.
[10:59] <Strogg_> grsync is still not working , will it for the fi,al release ?
[10:59] <Shirakawasuna> omac: I have MAC address filtering turned off
[10:59] <omac> Shirakawasuna:  Once that's done, then you may use the gnome-network-manager and tell it you have a static address 192.167.0.100
[11:00] <Shirakawasuna> the problem I'm having is clearly software or conf-related...
[11:00] <Shirakawasuna> settings aren't sticking, it isn't even trying to do anything in between
[11:00] <Ian_Corne> omac: that's not true
[11:00] <Ian_Corne> you can use static ip's when your router is dhcp'ing
[11:01] <Shirakawasuna> it's kinda funny, being told I can't have static IPs when the compy I'm using is on a static ip ;)
[11:01] <Ian_Corne> the only problem you'll have is collisions when it assigns the same ip via dhcp
[11:01] <omac> Shirakawasuna:  you do whatever you want, but if you have more than one computer connecting to your wireless router, then the ip addresses assigned to you.
[11:01] <Shirakawasuna> omac: and you're wrong, lol
[11:01] <omac> via dhcp...
[11:01] <Ian_Corne> omac: no
[11:01] <omac> sure I'm wrong.
[11:01] <Shirakawasuna> I've had like four laptops statically connected
[11:01] <Shirakawasuna> dhcp is the antithesis of static, omac...
[11:02] <omac> IN your router you may state that you have a range allowed from 192.167.0.[1-4]
[11:02] <Shirakawasuna> dhcp is the bells 'n' whistles (automated), static is the oldschool method and support by just about everything
[11:02] <Shirakawasuna> omac: it's a very large range, even for my crappy router.  Goes past 24, iirc.
[11:02] <cybersplice> static / dhcp are completely irrelevant to eachother, unless the DHCP server starts giving addresses which are already in use.
[11:03] <cybersplice> Most modern networks use both static and dhcp on the same network. Mine, for example.
[11:03] <Shirakawasuna> omac: although I have to wonder why you're still stuck on the dhcp/static thing.  Settings aren't sticking in nm-applet.  That's a software/config problem.
[11:03] <omac> But if another computer in your net happens to have the .1 and you set your computer to .1....then maybe it's worth turning on dhcp or going to talk to the other guy with the other pc in your house.
[11:03] <Shirakawasuna> cybersplice: indeed
[11:03] <Ian_Corne> Shirakawasuna: did the update work?
[11:03] <omac> shirakawa: because you'll have packet conflicts.
[11:03] <Ian_Corne> it should work after the update
[11:03] <Shirakawasuna> Ian_Corne: it's a big update, I'm waiting for it :)
[11:03] <Ian_Corne> ok
[11:03] <Shirakawasuna> Ian_Corne: 30 mins to go for a 'partial upgrade'.  I have no clue why it required a partial and not full update, it wouldn't let me view the packages.
[11:03] <Ian_Corne> i've had the same problem with wired
[11:04] <Ian_Corne> it will
[11:04] <Ian_Corne> or it should
[11:04] <Shirakawasuna> I'm crossing my fingers :)
[11:04] <Ian_Corne> if you click details
[11:04] <Shirakawasuna> it was grayed out :/
[11:04] <cybersplice> Regardless of static / dhcp config, you still can't have more than one machine on the same IP address.
[11:04] <cybersplice> That's just common sense.
[11:04] <Shirakawasuna> omac: duh.
[11:04] <omac> shirakawasuna:  or if you are go, then use mac filtering and make sure your mac address is associated to 192.167.0.2 is always your address.
[11:04] <cybersplice> Most DHCP daemons can identify if an IP is already in use.
[11:04] <Shirakawasuna> which is why I always set my static IPs to be high
[11:05] <Shirakawasuna> I don't know why you haven't figured out that I don't need your often inaccurate tutelage, omac...
[11:06] <topyli> lön
[11:06] <topyli> whoa
[11:06] <omac> Shirakawasuna:  I'll agree you don't need my tutelage.  "correction: often accurate to the minute detail".  I'll move on now.
[11:07] <topyli> actually it looks like gnome-bluetooth uses PAN while my phone uses DUN in the bluetooth stack, and that's the problem
[11:09] <NinjaPlimsolls> yo
[11:12] <Ian_Corne> i don' tknow why it says partial update, the name then
[11:13] <NinjaPlimsolls> what says partial update?
[11:14] <robin0800> Ian_Corne: usually because it wants to uninstall sothing and I think that can not be classed as an update
[11:17] <Ian_Corne> yeah but why call it "partial" ?
[11:19] <Ian_Corne> I'm still puzzeled why the update is removing grub-pc now
[11:31] <hifi> seems like VLC's default output is not PulseAudio
[11:31] <hifi> shouldn't it be?
[11:33] <topyli> i think vlc likes to use alsa if possible
[11:33] <hifi> patch it to use pulseaudio if possible, then alsa
[11:33] <topyli> i think you just volunteered :)
[11:34] <hifi> :(
[11:34] <hifi> that wouldn't get into karmic in time anyway
[11:39] <N1ckR> Hi, should Empathy auto start / auto login when logging into gnome by default ?
[11:40] <NinjaPlimsolls> N1ckR, add it to the startup applications list
[11:40] <N1ckR> OK, that's a no then :)
[11:40] <NinjaPlimsolls> ;)
[11:41] <N1ckR> Cheers, thats all. carry on :D
[11:41] <NinjaPlimsolls> when I used Empathy i had to add it to startup, but I use Emesene now
[11:42] <N1ckR> About the only thing i miss from Pidgin is abililty to group same person on different protocols together.
[11:43] <topyli> the status options just disappeared from my indicator-session-applet
[11:43] <topyli> (at upgrade)
[11:44] <knut> hi
[11:45] <knut> energy option problem
[11:45] <knut> where is the option to do nothing when laptop is closing?
[11:45] <knut> that seems to be gone
[11:46] <N1ckR> knut, you mean laptop lid ?
[11:46] <knut> right
[11:47] <topyli> i thought i have mine set like that
[11:47] <topyli> oh, actually i'm not sure if i've tried it with karmic
[11:47] <knut> I'm on karmic and it's gone
[11:48] <knut> so i'm not sure if this has something to do with the fact that I installed the laptop while it was docked
[11:48] <topyli> so how are we going to use our external monitors? always keep the lid open? that's not very stylish :\
[11:48] <yoritomo> re
[11:48] <NinjaPlimsolls> knut, do remember, karmic is still only beta software
[11:48] <topyli> heh
[11:49] <Dai> NinjaPlimsolls: yes, but if people don't report issues like this, how will they get fixed?
[11:49] <knut> I know that its beta software, but i think they should not flush features that are mandatory ;-)
[11:49] <NinjaPlimsolls> Dai, then you report them on the launchpad where a developer can see it?
[11:49] <Shirakawasuna> wow, an hour of install time O_O
[11:49] <Shirakawasuna> (more, actually)
[11:49] <knut> yes I will report themas long as nobody here has an idea
[11:49] <yoritomo> i have a problem , i updated from jaunty to karmic, and since i installed ubuntu studio audio under jaunty, when i try to unistall under karmic, it does not uninstall all the apps
[11:50] <Dai> NinjaPlimsolls: but it's not unreasonable to ask if others have had the same issue or already know about it
[11:50] <NinjaPlimsolls> Dai, I didnt think I was being unreasonable? :S
[11:51] <N1ckR> knut, can you not just use the screen blank option, or does that blank both displays ?
[11:51] <Dai> NinjaPlimsolls: sorry, i read that wrong, it seems :\  it's still way too early for me to be awake
[11:52] <knut> N1ckR: I have 2 external screen with nvidia
[11:52] <knut> and this option is not available
[11:58] <C-S-B> oh, I can't go to ubuntu+2 :/
[12:00] <flipfone> after a failed upgrade i have been doing daily updates until today i got this http://pastebin.com/d25569320  any ideas?
[12:06] <ActionParsnip> hey guys, can anyone help with grub2. It never times out or shows a countdown. I have to manually press enter to get things going or it will sit on the kernel selection screen forever more
[12:07] <|eagles0513875|> ActionParsnip: thats a first
[12:08] <pdlnhrd> i a trying to get netowrking but can't get it to route of its subnet
[12:09] <ActionParsnip> pdlnhrd: add a static route specifying a subnet and a device
[12:09] <pdlnhrd> o.k? how?   i had verything working and now it has stopped
[12:10] <ActionParsnip> pdlnhrd: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-route-add/
[12:11] <pdlnhrd> the biggest issue is that on restart NO nework is configurd which is a pain
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> !grub2
[12:12] <pdlnhrd> i can add a static route... but the server is colocated and if i need to reboot i can't do this(plus those directions are for redhat)
[12:13] <cybersplice> pdlnhrd: route add is a generic command.
[12:13] <pdlnhrd> i would like to be able to reboot the server and have ALL networking work
[12:13] <pdlnhrd> what file do i add it do so hat on start up it knows the route?
[12:13] <pdlnhrd> the direcitions are for RHEL
[12:13] <cybersplice> It's an ubuntu machine, yes?
[12:14] <ActionParsnip> |eagles0513875|: i think i got  it. I had : GRUB_TIMEOUT="10" instead of GRUB_TIMEOUT=10  in /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[12:14] <|eagles0513875|> :)
[12:14] <cybersplice> pdlnhrd: /etc/network/interfaces
[12:14] <pdlnhrd> yes... wich doesn't have a /etc/sysconfig/networking/default/route-ethx
[12:15] <godstar> Word to the wise. If you go KK64 Beta, do not remove old files, you may need them. Especially if KK64 breaks and the network stack corrupts. I just had to reinstall JJ64.
[12:16] <pdlnhrd> gateway is defined correctly
[12:16] <pdlnhrd> it is like it is not reading the file
[12:17] <pdlnhrd> afterrestart ifconfig eth0 shows no infomration
[12:17] <cybersplice> hm.
[12:18] <cybersplice> This is a colo machine?
[12:18] <|eagles0513875|> bbl
[12:18] <hifi> AltGr variant of US International is broken again
[12:18] <pdlnhrd> it looks A LOT like this http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-ubuntu-linux-convert-dhcp-network-configuration-to-static-ip-configuration.html
[12:19] <cybersplice> pdlnhrd: Can you pastebin your interfaces file?
[12:19] <pdlnhrd> its on diffrent machines with no access... i am going to have to retype it
[12:20] <cybersplice> More than likely you've mistyped something in the interfaces file. However, i strongly recommend against using 9.10 on a production machine, particularly a remote one.
[12:22] <pdlnhrd> http://pastebin.com/d2fa8a2e6
[12:22] <pdlnhrd> it is all for testing
[12:23] <pdlnhrd> we have to unit test against new build to know what issue we will have
[12:24] <cybersplice> pdlnhrd: add auto eth0
[12:24] <pdlnhrd> which line?
[12:24] <pdlnhrd> line 2?
[12:24] <cybersplice> yes
[12:25] <pdlnhrd> if this fixes this... thanks... i a going to reboot and see what happens.... (i came in 2 hours to fix this
[12:25] <ActionParsnip> can someone please pastebin me their /etc/defaul/grub file please. This is driving me spare
[12:25] <cybersplice> pdlnhrd:  You had the config right, but you weren't telling it to up the interface, so obviously no config.
[12:26] <cybersplice> hang on a sec AP
[12:27] <cybersplice> ActionParsnip: Din;t have it!
[12:27] <pdlnhrd> i am assuing you mean "auto eth0" and not "add auto eth0"
[12:27] <cybersplice> pdlnhrd: Correct.
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> /etc/default/grub
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> sorry
[12:27] <cybersplice> Yeah, i figured. Not there.
[12:27] <cybersplice> :|
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> its the default settings file for grub2
[12:27] <pdlnhrd> i a so use the the BOOT=yes in RHEL
[12:28] <ActionParsnip> i hate grub2
[12:28] <pdlnhrd> btw... props to the ubuntu team... i like what i see so far escpecially the boot screen
[12:29] <cybersplice> ActionParsnip: I wonder if i'm not using Grub2.
[12:29] <wekt> ActionParsnip: or do you hate how the config file is generated?
[12:29] <godstar> ActionParsnip: Still need that Grub Default?
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> wekt: the config, it so overly complicated for just a bootloader
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> wekt: i single boot. I dont need all this extra crap ruining my day
[12:30] <ActionParsnip> godstar: please
[12:30] <godstar> kk
[12:30] <pdlnhrd> cypersplice thank you.
[12:30] <cybersplice> pdlnhrd: No worries.
[12:30] <cybersplice> pdlnhrd: Happy to help.
[12:30] <wekt> ActionParsnip: I've wondered whether you could put linux starting in the MBR to load it.
[12:30] <pdlnhrd> plus startup times rock
[12:30] <godstar> ActionParsnip: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/289246/
[12:31] <ActionParsnip> godstar: thanks
[12:31] <godstar> ActionParsnip: anytime
[12:31] <cybersplice> pdlnhrd: Try it with a SSD. It's silly.
[12:31] <pdlnhrd> i have my vista7 on SSD and it is really fast
[12:31] <cybersplice> g'day Dr_Willis
[12:31] <pdlnhrd> (can't afford all he new toys)
[12:32] <wekt> cybersplice: i should try that too. (SSD)
[12:32] <cybersplice> pdlnhrd: Me either. But i have the advantage of a rather elaborate lab environment at work. :D
[12:32] <cybersplice> wekt: *(&$£. victory!
[12:32] <ActionParsnip> godstar: yours is quite different to mine
[12:32] <cybersplice> Damnation, i've had quite a lot of caffiene.
[12:32] <pdlnhrd> we have a lab with 30 test machines for testing images to roll out but i don't get to play in then offten
[12:32] <cybersplice> Huh. Odd. I'm still on Grub 0.97.
[12:33] <cybersplice> ActionParsnip: I got my EQL sorted, btw. Feel like a muppet now.
[12:33] <frandieguez> Hi to all! Could someone confirm me that the firefox translations doesn't works?
[12:34] <Dr_Willis> hmm.. Ubuntu-xsplash-artwork update.. i bet that means it will overwrite my customized  xsplas images again...
[12:34] <godstar> ActionParsnip: only one I have
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> cybersplice: you got the gold, thats what counts
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> godstar: i'll pastebin when it comes back arounf
[12:34] <frandieguez> I detect that the firefox translations right now on karmic are for 3.0.7 firefox version and those are incompatibles
[12:34] <cybersplice> ActionParsnip: Yeh. It overflows the data to the next nic when it saturates the first one.
[12:35] <godstar> ActionParsnip: ok thanks
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> godstar: http://pastebin.com/f28d85f56
[12:37] <godstar> ActionParsnip: made a backup. Thx
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> !grub2
[12:39] <Shawn_> How is the Beta so far?
[12:40] <ActionParsnip> Shawn_: been fine since alpha2 here
[12:40] <binBASH> Hi I exchanged gnome network manager with wicd. Changed wireless Lan Adapter and wicd didn't find it. Now I tried to exchange wicd again with gnome network manager but apt-get fails :/
[12:40] <binBASH> getting errors now like gconftool-2: relocation error: /lib/libglib-2.0.so.0: symbol __abort_msg, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference
[12:40] <Shawn_> ActionParsnip How are the features though I mean?
[12:40] <cybersplice> Shawn_: No problems here. Using it on a couple of production workstations.
[12:40] <godstar> Shawn_: be sure not to delete old files if you plan to upgrade.
[12:40] <binBASH> someone can help please?
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> i thought there was a tool to select wicd or 'network-manager' as your network-confoig tool.
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> no need to add/remove one or the other..
[12:41] <ActionParsnip> Shawn_: can you be specific?
[12:41] <Shawn_> godstar I'm probably doing a fresh install when I do it so I can make use of the new ext4 file system that it uses
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> I forget where i saw that setting at.. but i saw it somewhere.
[12:41] <binBASH> Dr_Willis: On first install maybe? ;)
[12:41] <Shawn_> ActionParsnip is there any major differences between Karmic and Jaunty?
[12:41] <ActionParsnip> Shawn_: for my basic use, no
[12:42] <binBASH> the problem now is
[12:42] <Dr_Willis> binBASH:  not sure. I dont rember seeing it on my laptop when i installed beta1.
[12:42] <binBASH> gdm (xfree86) doesn't boot up
[12:42] <Dr_Willis> binBASH:  but i rember seeing it on the desktop
[12:42] <binBASH> so I'm totally lost
[12:42] <godstar> Shawn_: In that case you should be ok. I did the upgrade and had issues with the network. I could not revert since I removed old files and could then not get back online.
[12:42] <binBASH> only console left
[12:42] <Dr_Willis> try 'sudo service gdm start'
[12:43] <binBASH> it says it's started ok
[12:43] <binBASH> but nothing happens
[12:43] <godstar> Shawn_: be sure to backup your data and install on a test machine or virtual one.
[12:43] <Shawn_> godstar Yeah I'm probably just gunna hold out for another 20 days without installing it
[12:43] <Shawn_> godstar... I'm weird like that I like to see all the new features at once and not as they are still being fixed
[12:44] <godstar> Shawn_: install it on Vbox and play around w it. Most of the broken things I fixed, but again, I did the upgrade and removed the old files, had I kept them, I probably could have gotten out of my bind.
[12:44] <godstar> Shawn_: Overall, I like it and think it will be solid once its said and done.
[12:45] <Shawn_> godstar Installing it on a Vbox wouldn't affect Ubuntu at all correct?
[12:45] <godstar> Shawn_: Correct
[12:45] <Shawn_> godstar Not sure if I wanna ruin the wait or just hold out till the 29th
[12:45] <godstar> Shawn_: you can even run it inside of Vbox as a Live CD, just mount the ISO.
[12:46] <godstar> Shawn_: tomato, tomatoe
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> Potatoe
[12:46] <godstar> Shawn_: Up to you.
[12:46] <Shawn_> godstar... Hmm.. I read on the forums that Karmic may be adopting a completely new default colour and dropping brown.. Did that actually happen?
[12:46] <cybersplice> mmm spuds.
[12:46] <Shirakawasuna> hmmm
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> Still looks brown to me.
[12:46] <Shirakawasuna> does karmic come with a replacement for sshd?
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> they need to use Hot Pink. :)
[12:46] <Shirakawasuna> or do I need to install it separately?
[12:46] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: mines purple :)
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> still using opensshd - not installed by default here.
[12:46] <godstar> Shawn_: Yes a new splash theme. I likes!
[12:47] <Shawn_> godstar Is it still brown?
[12:47] <ActionParsnip> Shirakawasuna: openssh-server is in karmic repos
[12:47] <cybersplice> Shirakawasuna: its in repos, not installed by default
[12:47] <Shirakawasuna> hmmm
[12:47] <Shirakawasuna> I'm not seeing it in synaptic
[12:47]  * Shirakawasuna checks repos
[12:47] <cybersplice> think its just called ssh
[12:47] <Dr_Willis>  /usr/share/images/xsplash still has ugly browns here.
[12:47] <ActionParsnip> Shirakawasuna: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[12:47] <godstar> Shawn_: nope
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> I wonder if im the only one that alters every file in that dir to have nicer looking splash/wallpaper screens...
[12:48] <godstar> Speaking of, I'm gonna run it in Vbox myself.
[12:48] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: i uninstall all splashes ;)
[12:48] <Shawn_> godstar Oooo nice.  Is it true they switched to a new native IM and dropped Pidgin?
[12:48] <Shirakawasuna> hmm
[12:48] <ActionParsnip> Shawn_: pidgin is in the repos
[12:48] <godstar> Shawn_: Also, I am running 64bit, not that it makes much difference. Just thought I would mention it.
[12:48] <ActionParsnip> !info pidgin
[12:48] <Shirakawasuna> I'm a newb to debian/ubuntu-style package management.  Why would apt-get have a nice time finding openssh-server but not synaptic?
[12:49] <binBASH> hmm looks like I need to reinstall my system
[12:49] <Shirakawasuna> it worked, btw, so thanks ActionParsnip
[12:49] <Shawn_> godstar I run 64 bit as well
[12:49] <binBASH> dunno what to do really :)
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> Shirakawasuna:  you typed it wrong wouldbe my guess
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> Shirakawasuna: no idea, i stopped using synaptic as soon as i learned apt-get existed
[12:49] <godstar> Shawn_: Empathy is the IM. I am not thrilled w it. Guess I've used Pidgin too long.
[12:49] <binBASH> errors like -> gconftool-2: relocation error: /lib/libglib-2.0.so.0: symbol __abort_msg, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference
[12:50] <binBASH> looks like glibc is fucked up
[12:50] <Shawn_> godstar yeah I may stick with Pidgin as well but I read they dropped Pidgin because Pidgin refused to continue developing or something
[12:50] <Pici> binBASH: Please mind your language here.
[12:50] <mvo> Shirakawasuna: they use the same data and similar code, if its available in apt-cache it should be in synaptic as well
[12:50] <Shirakawasuna> huh, now it shows up
[12:50] <slacker_nl> lo
[12:50] <Shirakawasuna> weird
[12:50] <Shirakawasuna> must've been a typo
[12:50] <slacker_nl> mvo: i tested your debdiff for policykit-1-gnome, didn't work
[12:51] <godstar> Shawn_: yeah. Something like that. FOSSitics.
[12:51] <godstar> FOSS+politics
[12:51] <godstar> :D
[12:51] <ActionParsnip> Shawn_: you can compile carrier, its awesome
[12:52] <oldude67> ActionParsnip, said the c word...lol
[12:52] <ActionParsnip> what...can ;)
[12:53] <oldude67> i hate to compile..what a pain in the butt...lol
[12:53] <arielCo> Hello everyone. Some of my configurations were reset or are being ignored after a (rather rough) update from Jaunty. For example, the Synaptics driver seems to be ignoring the HAL policy file.
[12:53] <godstar> lol
[12:53] <oldude67> thats something i did forget to install..build-essentials.
[12:54] <mvo> slacker_nl: hm, did you login/logout in between?
[12:54] <mvo> slacker_nl: anything in .xsession-errors when kde started?
[12:55] <slacker_nl> mvo: no, no logout
[12:55] <slacker_nl> mvo: will check now
[12:55] <cybersplice> Cantankerous?
[12:55] <cybersplice> Callous?
[12:55] <cybersplice> Calisthenics?
[12:56] <Pici> cybersplice: ?
[12:56] <cybersplice> Someone said something about the C word.
[12:56] <Pici> cybersplice: They were talking about compiling.
[12:56] <cybersplice> Don't say that!
[12:56] <cybersplice> You'll scare someone.
[12:57] <cybersplice> Anyone had much luck getting XenServer Essentials running under 9.10?
[12:59] <slacker_nl> mvo: login/logout fixed the issue indeed
[13:00] <ssc_> hi
[13:00] <slacker_nl> mvo: it works, asks for root permission, type in passwd and installs/removes package
[13:01]  * arielCo is not afraid of c******ing. It's the adding prefix switches, Xorg macros, "auto"make stuff that slightly bothers him :)
[13:01] <mvo> slacker_nl: sweet, thanks a lot for confirming that
[13:01] <slacker_nl> mvo: np at all
[13:04] <tasslehoff> is the session restore (startup applications) better on 9.10 than on 9.04?
[13:04] <cybersplice> tasslehoff: I'd say so.
[13:04] <tasslehoff> cybersplice, good, cause on 9.04 it sucks :)
[13:04] <binBASH> is it possible to downgrade from karmic to jaunty?
[13:04] <Pici> No.
[13:04] <Ian_Corne> No.
[13:04] <binBASH> cool :/
[13:05] <binBASH> So what can cause this?
[13:05] <cybersplice> binBASH: Sounds like perhaps you mean to say, "Damn."
[13:05] <binBASH> cybersplice: I watched my language this time :)
[13:05] <cybersplice> binBASH: Perhaps uninstall both your network management software, and reinstall network-manager.
[13:05] <cybersplice> Or wicd, i spupose.
[13:05] <cybersplice> I didn't have good experience with wicd.
[13:05] <binBASH> Well, I can't. Because apt doesn't let me
[13:06] <cybersplice> Oh. Nightmare.
[13:06] <cybersplice> Why not?
[13:06] <binBASH> gconftool-2: relocation error: /lib/libglib-2.0.so.0: symbol __abort_msg, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference
[13:06] <binBASH> it produces this output
[13:06] <cybersplice> Does it give that message when you try and install anything else?
[13:07] <binBASH> yes
[13:07] <Ian_Corne> have you tried using aptitude instead of apt-get ?
[13:07] <cybersplice> Sounds like the problem is with apt instead of with  wicd / nm
[13:08] <binBASH> well wicd is not installed anymore
[13:08] <tasslehoff> does jaunty->karmic using update manager normally work well these days?
[13:08] <binBASH> Ian_Corne: Not yet
[13:08] <arielCo> tasslehoff: not too good
[13:08] <Ian_Corne> binBASH: altho idon't think it"'ll work but you can try
[13:08] <cybersplice> tasslehoff: i had no problems personally. ymmv.
[13:08] <slacker_nl> tasslehoff: i think so (but I upgraded during alpha 2)
[13:09] <Ian_Corne> arielCo: it works...
[13:09] <zer0x> Hi all, there is no longer a 'Devices' section in my sound preferences in Gnome, is this configured somewhere else now?
[13:09] <Shirakawasuna> huh
[13:09] <slacker_nl> arielCo: you had space issues ;)
[13:09] <Ian_Corne> i've had some1 update yesterday through it
[13:09] <Ian_Corne> and it worked
[13:09] <arielCo> Ian_Corne: I'm still filing rough spots
[13:09] <tasslehoff> It's always most fun when everyone answers differently :D
[13:09] <binBASH> I'm trying within aptitude now
[13:09] <Shirakawasuna> I couldn't rsync files from my established, non-ubuntu lappy using the command on said laptop, but I could when reversing it from the other (ubuntu) laptop.  Any ideas?
[13:09] <cybersplice> tasslehoff: Sorry. It IS beta software. :D
[13:09] <tasslehoff> cybersplice, hehe. I know :)
[13:10] <slacker_nl> tasslehoff: no, yes, NO, YES, nooo, yessss ;)
[13:11] <cybersplice> Sigh. 9.10 is as perculiar as other ubuntu versions under xenserver.
[13:11] <cybersplice> Curses!
[13:11] <milaz> Hi, everybody!
[13:11] <cybersplice> milaz: Hi there.
[13:11] <milaz> Does anybody know why in Karmic Beta there's no gettys and no login processes on any tty?
[13:12] <arielCo> slacker_nl: yeah, the space issue was overcome by that patch. Then came the dpkg segfault which left libc out of shape. I finally fixed it by copying over the files, upgraded with several warnings, and now some of my configs are being ignored.
[13:12]  * arielCo had a rather bumpy ride
[13:12] <milaz> I mean that when switching to them with CTRL+ALT+F1, there is now way to log into the system
[13:12] <milaz> Is there a way t fix it?
[13:12] <slacker_nl> arielCo: :( i feel for you
[13:13] <slacker_nl> milaz: i have getty's running...
[13:13] <ssc_> with the last update i lost keyboard and mouse connection under x after xorg restarted - i still could get on the console after freeing the keyboard with sysctrl keys. any idea where to look for the problem the next time :)
[13:13] <mvo> arielCo: that reminds me, did you find a _usr_bin_dpkg.crash file in your /var/crash ?
[13:13] <ssc_> restarting gdm didn't solve anything ..
[13:13] <cybersplice> milaz: frandieguez: I detect that the firefox translations right now on karmic are for 3.0.7 firefox version and those are incompatibles
[13:13] <cybersplice> er
[13:14] <cybersplice> milaz: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/402759
[13:14] <Dr_Willis> milaz:  i have them here.. could be the video drivers for X and console are fighting again.
[13:15] <binBASH> Ian_Corne: Well aptitude now presents an error http://www.picpaste.de/pics/pic_aptitude.1255090503.png
[13:15] <Ian_Corne> hehe
[13:15] <Ian_Corne> noidea :)
[13:15] <milaz> cybersplice: thanks, I'll look into this
[13:16] <cybersplice> milaz: There are several duplicates of that with various different issues.
[13:16] <cybersplice> But it was just a hasty look, i'm afraid.
[13:16] <binBASH> Looks like I'm in a serious dilemma
[13:16] <arielCo> slacker_nl, thanks for your sympathy ;). Theres an untidy bug rep at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpkg/+bug/444484. I tried to apport-collect from a livecd+chroot before fixing it so there are several junk comments.
[13:16] <cybersplice> binBASH: Sounds like you've got some lib / apt issues.
[13:16] <cybersplice> binBASH: You could try a reinstall :\
[13:17] <Ian_Corne> "try" :p
[13:17] <binBASH> :)
[13:17] <ssc_> binBASH, have you tried to download the deb files and install them via dpkg
[13:17] <Strogg_> do someone experience problemes with apache when installing kolab ?
[13:17] <binBASH> ssc_: Not yet.
[13:17] <Ian_Corne> is the sound from empathy included yet?
[13:18] <binBASH> Have first to find download location
[13:18] <milaz> cybersplice: Dr_Willis: the strange thing is that I can run them manually from gnome-terminal with "sudo getty 9600 tty2"
[13:18] <kulight> is there a facebook plugin for empathy ?
[13:18] <slacker_nl> arielCo: I had huge problems with libc6 as well during the alpha phase
[13:18] <cybersplice> milaz: Yes, it looks like the scripts just aren't being put into the right location by the upgrade.
[13:18] <slacker_nl> arielCo: i could install it, but it totally b0rked my laptop, beta version fixed he glitch
[13:19] <binBASH> ssc_: Ok I found the package, now I have to find out how to install without apt
[13:20] <ssc_> binBASH, dpkg -i package.deb
[13:20] <binBASH> that doesn't work
[13:20] <arielCo> slacker_nl, I had to copy over the files for libc* from the Jaunty livecd. Then I was able to boot *and* run dpkg without breaking it all again. If I remember correctly that was libc6, libc6-dev, libc-i686.
[13:20] <kulight> binBASH: you have to be in the directory
[13:21] <binBASH> I get gconftool-2: relocation error: /lib/libglib-2.0.so.0: symbol __abort_msg, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference
[13:21] <binBASH> when running apt or dpkg
[13:21] <binBASH> ;)
[13:21] <kulight> dpkg
[13:21] <ssc_> binBASH, looks like DAMN ;)
[13:21] <milaz> cybersplice: I didn't upgrade, I have a clean live USB install from latest Karmic Beta ISO. LOoks like I have to check the files...
[13:21] <slacker_nl> arielCo: yes, those are the libc6 "suite"
[13:21] <binBASH> ssc_: Indeed
[13:22] <arielCo>  !bug 446916
[13:23] <ssc_> binBASH, quite dirty but you might extract the tgz out of a deb file and unpack it to the root of the system to "reinstall" the package
[13:24] <binBASH> I think glib is totally broken up
[13:24] <binBASH> because mc for example doesn't work as well
[13:24] <Ian_Corne> binBASH: you could recompile libglib
[13:24] <Ian_Corne> apt-get source libglibc :p
[13:24] <Ian_Corne> oh wait
[13:24] <Ian_Corne> :D
[13:24] <binBASH> :p
[13:24] <Ian_Corne> sec
[13:25] <Ian_Corne> leme upload the source for you somwhere:p
[13:26] <Ian_Corne> where is source put when you apt-get source ? :p
[13:27] <ssc_> binBASH, do you have "ar" installed?
[13:27] <ActionParsnip> !info ar
[13:27] <binBASH> ssc_: Yup
[13:27] <sacha_> hey there, i installed kubuntu 9.10 beta (amd64). then i did an upgrade (as soon as i installed, it suggested 177 packages). now sound doesnt work anymore
[13:27] <sacha_> sound worked after i installed tho..
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> sacha_: is it muted?
[13:28] <Ian_Corne> :p
[13:28] <ssc_> binBASH, get the glibc deb and try: # ar xv glib.deb
[13:29] <ssc_> binBASH, that should extract you the data.tar.gz from the deb file
[13:29] <ssc_> binBASH, than you can try to extract it to the system root
[13:31] <sacha_> not muted
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> sacha_: and all sliders cranked?
[13:31] <sacha_> yeah
[13:31] <Dr_Willis> cranked to 11 ?
[13:31] <Dr_Willis> ;)
[13:31] <Ian_Corne> WHOA
[13:31] <Ian_Corne> :p
[13:31] <cybersplice> Dr_Willis: Nice.
[13:32] <sacha_> the volume buttons on my keyboard work (didnt when using livecd) and i cranked max on that.. and bottom right corner volume is max
[13:32] <ActionParsnip> sacha_: try: killall pulseaudio; rm -rf ~/.pulse*
[13:32] <Ian_Corne> sacha_: dist-upgraded? what sound device do you use
[13:32] <milaz> slacker_nl: Dr_Willis: Looks like I have to file a bug about consoles. Can you clarify what version of Ubuntu do you run? How did you get it? Did you do an upgrade, or clean install? Did you upgrade from alpha, or from 9.04?
[13:32] <ActionParsnip> sacha_: then press alt+f2 and run   pulseaudio
[13:32] <Ian_Corne> sacha_: check with alsamixer
[13:32] <sacha_> i didnt dist upgrade, just 177 packages it suggested straight away
[13:32] <Dr_Willis> milaz:  well i just update/upgraded.. and it wants a reboot.. let me reboot and see if i have the same issue..
[13:32] <Dr_Willis> BRB
[13:33] <sacha_> in devices it has HDA Intel (ALC262 Analog), HDA ATI HDMI and PulseAudio
[13:33] <oldude67> i had a lot of issues with pulseaudio when doing upgrades but after a clean install of beta not to bad now.
[13:33] <sacha_> it is defaulting to the intel and when i try pulseaudio it fails and goes back to the intel one
[13:34] <ActionParsnip> sacha_: try the quick fix, if not you may need something more
[13:34] <sacha_> k
[13:35] <Ian_Corne> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[13:35] <Ian_Corne> and sound works
[13:35] <sacha_> btw, pulseaudio wasnt running.. when i tried to run pulseaudio it said it wasnt installed
[13:35] <Dr_Willis> Heh.. gnome desktop is now totally white/blank...
[13:35] <Ian_Corne> lol
[13:35] <Dr_Willis> no panel. no nothing
[13:35] <sacha_>  know my audio device isnt intel tho.. pretty sure it uses the ati
[13:35] <Dr_Willis> gnome-do works... and i do have window decoration
[13:35] <oldude67> heh isnt that the best gnome can be..lmao
[13:35] <sacha_> 01:00.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc R700 Audio Device [Radeon HD 4000 Series]
[13:36] <Ian_Corne> Dr_Willis: logout and in? :p
[13:36] <milaz> Dr_Willis: it looks like what I had after my last upgrade
[13:36] <Dr_Willis> Ian_Corne:    heh.. yep.. lets try that.. and for whoever was wondering.. Yes my consoles are buggered also.
[13:36] <Dr_Willis> multi-color-garbage on them all
[13:36] <Dr_Willis> brb
[13:37] <Dr_Willis> if i can rember how to force X to restart
[13:37] <sacha_> ActionParsnip: is pulseaudio meant to be already installed?
[13:37] <ActionParsnip> sacha_: its part of a stock install
[13:38] <sacha_> ActionParsnip: Kubuntu as well?
[13:38] <binBASH> ok ssc_ now it's totally corrupt :)
[13:38] <ActionParsnip> sacha_: sure
[13:38] <milaz> Dr_Willis: I had only destop with no panels too, and that made me see that consoles are absent
[13:38] <binBASH> it doesn't find any files anymore
[13:38] <slacker_nl> milaz: I run karmic, upgraded from jaunty during alpha2 phase, upgraded to beta
[13:38] <sacha_> damn, why isnt it installed in mine?
[13:38] <ssc_> binBASH, hmm than it wasn't glib ;)
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> milaz:  i restarted X and gnomeis working now
[13:39] <milaz> Dr_Willis: so I had to make live USB again
[13:39] <slacker_nl> milaz: and jaunty was an upgrade from hardy > intrepid, so I've seen all releases in between
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> I have funny gfx on the console... and if i hit return they do move....
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> X is working however.
[13:39] <binBASH> Ok so only reinstall possible I think
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> and X is on alt-ctrl-F9 for some reason now.
[13:39] <binBASH> if such things like ls etc. don't work anymore :)
[13:40] <milaz> Dr_Willis: how did you restarted X? CTRL+ALT+Backspace didn't work for me
[13:40] <Dr_Willis> milaz:  thats OLD-skool. :)
[13:40] <Strogg_> apache2 is not working anymore after installing kolabd package
[13:40] <Dr_Willis> new leet way - alt-ctrl-sysreq-k
[13:40] <gnomefreak> milaz: it was disabled you can still use sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[13:40] <Dr_Willis> It gets you more babes.. :P
[13:40] <sacha_> ActionParsnip: i installed pulseaudio and chose it as my sound device. now when i play music i get a crackling sound
[13:40] <slacker_nl> gnomefreak: on karmic that is service gdm restart ;)
[13:41] <ssc_> binBASH, do you have your old glib deb still in /var/cache/apt/archives than try to revert it the same way :)
[13:41] <gnomefreak> lol nost of us normal keyboard users dont have a sysreq key :)
[13:41] <sacha_> ActionParsnip: but wait, i chose HDA Intel as my sound device and now it works again
[13:41] <milaz> Dr_Willis: looks cool :)
[13:41] <milaz> gnomefreak: I could, if I had consoles working :)
[13:41] <gnomefreak> slacker_nl: i dont remember having to use service on karmic
[13:41] <gnomefreak> milaz: tty?
[13:42] <binBASH> ssc_: Like I said I can't execute programs anymore
[13:42] <milaz> gnomefreak: exactly
[13:42] <gnomefreak> milaz: ah
[13:42] <binBASH> -su: /usr/bin/ar: No such file or directory
[13:42] <binBASH> for example
[13:42] <binBASH> :)
[13:42]  * gnomefreak wonders what "ar" is
[13:42] <Dr_Willis> !info ar
[13:42] <gnomefreak> Dr_Willis: bot doesnt know files
[13:43] <Dr_Willis> ar - create, modify, and extract from archives
[13:43] <milaz> Dr_Willis: slacker_nl: do you still have /etc/event.d/tty files?
[13:43] <Dr_Willis> !man ar
[13:43] <Dr_Willis> :)
[13:43] <Dr_Willis> bash: cd: /etc/event.d: No such file or directory
[13:43] <Dr_Willis> milaz:  last i checked the tty configs werere in /etc/default
[13:44] <Dr_Willis> I dont even see them there now.
[13:44] <milaz> Dr_Willis: slacker_nl: then, what's the last line in /etc/init/tty1.conf ?
[13:44] <gnomefreak> i only have the tty file in my chroots
[13:44] <Dr_Willis> exec /sbin/getty -8 38400 tty1
[13:44] <gnomefreak> milaz: respawn
[13:44] <gnomefreak> exec /sbin/getty -8 38400 tty1
[13:45] <sacha_> ok i have one more problem. i ran Hardware Drivers program and tried to 'activate' FGLRX driver but nothing happens (in kubuntu). in ubuntu this worked.
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> $ sudo /sbin/getty -8 38400 tty1
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> dosent clear up my console either.
[13:45] <ssc_> binBASH, that sounds bad.. maybe from rescue mode of the install cd ..
[13:45] <milaz> Dr_Willis: gnomefreak: cool. And mine was "exec /bin/login -f ubuntu </dev/tty2.conf > /dev/tty2.conf 2>&1" until I fixed it
[13:45] <Cynthia> Following up on bug 446715, is it possible that a .diff.gz for a version "1.52-1" can fail to apply for /etc/init.d/laptop-mode, when the only change is the version in debian/changelog?
[13:46] <ssc_> Dr_Willis, ar is part of binutils..
[13:46] <Cynthia> I'm getting a fail, when the only change I made to the .diff.gz was to change it to "1.52-1ubuntu1"
[13:46] <milaz> Dr_Willis: now my ttys work, but it looks like there's a bug in the distribution that could affect live CDs and clean installs
[13:47]  * gnomefreak gone
[13:47] <slacker_nl> milaz: http://pb.opperschaap.net/65
[13:48] <milaz> slacker_nl: thank you
[13:48] <slacker_nl> yw
[13:48]  * milaz filling a bug about consoles now
[13:50] <Dr_Willis> You want to check to see if others have filed smiler bugs first?
[13:50] <intok> Why is 9.10 64 bit so much slower then 9.10 32 on 1Gb of ram? It's much less responsive on my A64 4000+ Geforce 6150SE 1Gb DDR2 then it is on my Sempron Throughbred-B 2400+ OCd to 2Ghz so I could get the ram from DDR333 to DDR400 and a Geforce 6200 AGP
[13:50] <sacha_> 64-bit uses more ram generally
[13:51] <intok> I have compiz disabled on both
[13:51] <sacha_> i have 4GB of RAM but kubuntu 64-bit is consistently only using 700MB of it for me
[13:51] <sacha_> i would like to enable compiz but i cant seem to get fglrx installed :(
[13:51] <Cynthia> I have 2 GB, could tone it down to 1GB with kernel params to check, but I get 11% usage (~300 MB) on Ubuntu (gnome)
[13:53] <Cynthia> it seems my problem with laptop-mode-tools is due to whitespace, I'll triple-check the whitespace
[13:53] <sacha_> my kubuntu 64-bit only using 0.5GiB of 3.8GiB now.
[13:53] <thiebaude> im using 213mb out of 2gb with firefox and xchat open
[13:54] <sacha_> by the way, with laptop tools... how do i get brightness keys working?
[13:54]  * thiebaude and 9.10 works with no problems
[13:54] <sacha_> the volume ones work fine, just not brightness... it worked so well in ubuntu i was hoping for the same in kubuntu
[13:54] <Cynthia> it must be a workaround or application in gnome
[13:55] <Cynthia> I've looked at the laptop-mode-tools change log, and there's nothing about brightness keys that I saw
[13:56] <shiznebit_> hi I need some help with jittering in pulse-audio
[13:56] <Cynthia> shiznebit_: in which application? or all applications?
[13:56] <shiznebit_> like when I play quake-live i get jitter and random echo
[13:56] <shiznebit_> hmm
[13:56] <shiznebit_> FF says its using ALSA
[13:56] <shiznebit_> now im confused
[13:56] <Cynthia> I recommend checking in e.g. Totem, Audacity
[13:57] <shiznebit_> no i don't get any effects there
[13:57] <milaz> Dr_Willis: sure, I'll check for that
[13:57] <shiznebit_> does FireFox not use pulse ?
[13:58] <Cynthia> shiznebit_: that depends on the plugin; are you vieweing Flash content or listening to streaming music on totem-mozilla?
[13:58] <intok> so I take it this isn't normal? http://pastebin.com/m1c79849f
[13:59] <Lazy_> shiznebit_: i had the same problem with audio in quake live
[13:59] <Lazy_> let me google what fixed it
[13:59] <Lazy_> http://www.quakelive.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31897
[14:00] <Cynthia> intok: things don't add up; could you run 'ps aux' too?
[14:00] <Lazy_> i think s_mixahead fixed it for me
[14:00] <debfx> how can I get rid of the "konqueror recommends installing additional software" notifier?
[14:03] <intok> Cynthia
[14:03] <intok> http://pastebin.com/m7fa9c6f3
[14:04] <intok> ...dammit... so jerky in responsiveness that it didn't take the paste and the text that went before it at the same time when I hit enter...
[14:05] <Cynthia> intok: with the clamd process and pidgin, things do add up now; you're pretty much using up all of your RAM, and clamd is using up 12.3% CPU + firefox's 42.3%. Is this on amd64?
[14:06] <Cynthia> erm, wait... 771 MB of swap used as well. now *I*'m confused
[14:07] <cybersplice> Cynthia: sounds like a memory leak somewhere.
[14:07] <Cynthia> your processes are using up near 1.5 GB of RAM excluding program text and mapped files
[14:08] <Cynthia> cybersplice: the memory leak isn't counted under any process, does this mean a memory leak in the kernel?
[14:09] <Cynthia> oh no, ha. I forget that the RES column in top/ps don't count swap
[14:09] <void^_> the problem is it's hard to tell what's taking up that swapspace
[14:09] <cybersplice> Cynthia: Could be.
[14:10] <void^_> if in doubt, blame firefox.
[14:11] <sacha_> i actually disabled swap space
[14:11] <Cynthia> sacha_: it's showing up in 'top' as 2 GB
[14:12] <sacha_> Mem:   4027184k total,  1314064k used,  2713120k free,    48096k buffers    Swap:        0k total,        0k used,        0k free,   673164k cached
[14:12] <Cynthia> oh
[14:12] <Cynthia> I mixed you up with intok, sorry
[14:12] <sacha_> :0
[14:13] <void^_> with 1gb mem, having no swap is hardly an option
[14:14] <cybersplice> Cynthia: What process is it?
[14:14] <Cynthia> intok: 'ps -A v'
[14:15] <Cynthia> there will be a new column, DRS, which may be a clue
[14:15] <helix84> Hello, I installed Karmic Beta for testing and I won't get an address from DHCP on ethernet. Neither NetworkManager nor dhclient will receive a DHCPOFFER. Static configuration does work. DHCP works in Windows XP on the same computer. Any clues how I can investigate the problem?
[14:18] <intok> Cynthia http://pastebin.com/m78478048
[14:18] <luka> guyssss can someone guide how to install grub and remove grub2 from karmic??
[14:19] <milaz> helix84: you can stop network-manager and then run it in the terminal with NetworkManager --no-daemon
[14:20] <milaz> helix84: thus you will see the output with dhcp request it makes
[14:20] <binBASH> ok, thanks anyone for trying to help me
[14:20] <binBASH> I placed the harddrive now into a fedora machine to copy files over
[14:20] <cybersplice> binBASH: Was it a dead HD?
[14:20] <binBASH> bye
[14:20] <binBASH> No
[14:21] <binBASH> apt-get upgrade broke it :)
[14:21] <helix84> milaz: thanks, will try.
[14:21] <cybersplice> binBASH: Ah. Fair dues.
[14:22] <Cynthia> intok: here firefox uses 989709 204600, over there it uses 1941037 460008; I have no swap usage, so that means yours has around 800 MB extra
[14:22] <binBASH> cybersplice: I am not very experienced with debian distros. Using rpm based distros since 12 years now ;)
[14:22] <Cynthia> er, 700 MB
[14:22] <Cynthia> other apps look similar to what I have here, amd64
[14:22] <cybersplice> binBASH: Fair enough. I'd suggest giving 9.04 a go until the 29th. More stable for you. Better for learning.
[14:23] <binBASH> well we have those here as well cybersplice
[14:23] <binBASH> other developers using jaunty
[14:23] <cybersplice> binBASH: Fair enough.
[14:24] <helix84> milaz: NM just uses dhclient so all I see is what I've seen when I ran dhclient manually. any other idea?
[14:26] <shiznebit_> Lazy_, are you 9.10 does your FF use ALSA or PULSE what audio chipset do you use ?
[14:26] <milaz> what do you see there?
[14:26] <Lazy_> shiznebit_: i'm not sure which audio device quake live uses
[14:27] <Lazy_> i have ubuntu 9.10 upgraded from jaunty and my audio device is sb audigy
[14:28] <Lazy_> i just tried the s_mixahead methos and it worked
[14:33] <billybigrigger> anyone having problems with xsplash or gdm locking up? if i boot to recovery mode and run startx manually i can boot
[14:33] <billybigrigger> as soon as i let it try to boot normally, and go through xsplash or gdm, can't tell which locks up, it hard locks my system
[14:33] <ddg> yes same problem here :(
[14:34] <ddg> no solution yet
[14:34] <billybigrigger> ok, good its not just me
[14:34] <billybigrigger> do you know the bug number?
[14:35] <ddg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/sysvinit/+bug/431812
[14:36] <r3v3r> ->Fix released?
[14:37] <ddg> i think so. but with the latest updates usplash is not working
[14:37] <billybigrigger> that's not my problem
[14:37] <billybigrigger> i'm talking about xsplash/gdm
[14:37] <billybigrigger> not usplash
[14:37] <ddg> ah ok. sorry.
[14:37] <billybigrigger> np
[14:39] <helix84> sorry, i got disconnected.
[14:39] <helix84> NM just uses dhclient so all I see is what I've seen when I ran dhclient manually. any other idea?
[14:41] <Dr_Willis> xsplash worked here.. normally
[14:41] <Dr_Willis> the consoles are broken.. but X is working
[14:44] <milaz> helix84: maybe you will use some pastebin service so we can see what's going on with your DHCP?
[14:45] <Cynthia> (copy the output of 'ifconfig -a' and 'dhclient <name of network interface>')
[14:46] <helix84> milaz: sure
[14:52] <carlosgaldino> hi, i installed karmic beta yesterday and i see one problem, every time that i open a multimedia file the computer bips a little noise, but the file is executed normally...this bip is normal because the version is beta?
[14:52] <Pici> No.
[14:53] <Leif> Do any of you know how to increase or decrease the screen brightness of an HP Pavilion DV6000?  The usual Fn+F7, or Fn+F8, don't seam to work in 9.10
[14:53] <nemo> Leif: wouldn't that be controlled by your video driver?
[14:53] <nemo> ATI/intel/nvidia?
[14:53] <Leif> intel
[14:53] <Leif> So I can't find that anywhere in the OS?
[14:54] <nemo> and F7/F8 worked in .04 ?
[14:54] <nemo> could look up what the key bindings used to call...
[14:54] <Leif> Well, I jumped from 8.04 to 9.10, but yes.
[14:54] <Leif> Also, I installed Windows 7 in between, if that would make a difference.
[14:55] <carlosgaldino> anyone?
[14:55] <carlosgaldino> hi, i installed karmic beta yesterday and i see one problem, every time that i open a multimedia file the computer bips a little noise, but the file is executed normally...this bip is normal because the version is beta?
[14:55] <milaz> carlosgaldino: I have no blips
[14:55] <Lazy_> carlosgaldino: what is your audio chip?
[14:55] <Pici> carlosgaldino: No, its not normal.
[14:55] <Lazy_> i don't have bilps either
[14:56] <Tronic> carlosgaldino: Could be due to your sound hardware switching output level when the port is opened.
[14:56] <Tronic> Or possibly AV receiver switching modes when it detects S/PDIF, if that is what you are using.
[14:56] <carlosgaldino> Tronic, yeah, that's what i thought
[14:56] <Tronic> In any case, it is unlikely that this "feature" would disappear in the release.
[14:56] <luka> carlosgaldino: i hear a bip as well, i have a laptop and i see that the sound card turns off and on as any sound is played.... that might be ur problem too, i dont know
[14:56] <carlosgaldino> how can i disable this bip?
[14:57] <Dr_Willis> Hmm...  Hulu Release Native Desktop App For Ubuntu
[14:57] <Dr_Willis> I find that rather amazeing.. :)
[14:57] <Tronic> carlosgaldino: Send mail to ALSA mailing list.
[14:57] <mbeierl> iwl3945, 64bit 9.10 beta up to date, anyone else "lose" their ability to scan or join wireless networks after suspend to ram/resume?  It used to work in the alpha
[14:57] <carlosgaldino> luka, yeah, looks like...i have a laptop too
[14:57] <billybigrigger> Dr_Willis, can you use it in canada? or still just the US?
[14:57] <Tronic> carlosgaldino: Preferrably with a test case (using ALSA directly), the name of your chip, etc.
[14:57] <Dr_Willis> billybigrigger:  no idea. i just now saw it mentioned.. it was just released today
[14:58] <Dr_Willis> I dont evne know if it works on 9.10
[14:58] <luka> carlosgaldino: i think its that... it might be a kernel issue, try downloadin kernel 2.6.32 from ubuntu kernel web page and see if thats still hapening
[14:58] <Dr_Willis> billybigrigger:  i imagine with TOR you could get around that limition
[14:58] <Leif> I really can't find anything to change it in the keyboard, or keyboard shortcut preferrences, let alone even a menu bar to change it.
[14:58] <MTecknology> mac_v: bug 446582
[14:58] <carlosgaldino> luka, this is a solution?
[14:59] <Leif> But it goes dim when I unplug it, and brighter when I plug it back in, so I assume it still works, I just can't find the controls.
[14:59] <billybigrigger> Dr_Willis, care to share the link?
[15:00] <luka> carlosgaldino: i might be... im guessin thats possible because i see the sound card light turning red and blue everytime i play a sound... and when it goes red, off, it does a stupid sound like "tic" but its the speakers...
[15:00] <luka> carlosgaldino: try it out... when i was in jaunty i downloaded kernel 2.6.32 and everything was workin ok...
[15:01] <Pici> This sounds like a problem that a bug should be logged about.
[15:01] <Dr_Willis> http://www.hulu.com/labs/hulu-desktop-linux
[15:01] <luka> carlosgaldino: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[15:01] <carlosgaldino> luka, in jaunty everything was fine, except the video card, but ok
[15:01] <Dr_Willis> billybigrigger:  the program is allready acting brain dead.. it cant 'find' the location of the libflashplayer.so file..
[15:01] <carlosgaldino> luka, the rc3?
[15:01] <luka> carlosgaldino: yeah i know what u mean, u have an intel video card? yeah rc3
[15:01] <billybigrigger> Dr_Willis, i installed it fine
[15:01] <billybigrigger> but again it complains only in the US can you watch it
[15:02] <milaz> Dr_Willis: probably Miro works fine with Hulu?
[15:02] <carlosgaldino> luka, yeah, its a gmax3100
[15:02] <Dr_Willis> milaz:  i cant say that ive eer tried miro on hulu
[15:02] <luka> carlosgaldino: same here... try that kernel out... hope it helps you, i dont really mind having that bip because its not that loud here ;)
[15:03] <Dr_Willis>  Hulu player is saying 'cant find location....' even tho i edit the .huluplayer config to point it to the right place
[15:03] <carlosgaldino> luka, how can i download all those files together? and how to update the kernel?
[15:04] <billybigrigger> Dr_Willis, 64bit worked great here
[15:04] <billybigrigger> it just won't let me watch :( i couldn't find anywhere to enter in a proxy or anything of the sort
[15:04] <helix84> http://pastebin.com/m74318691
[15:04] <luka> carlosgaldino: download all.deb i386.deb files, place them in ur desktop in a folder called kernel for example...
[15:05] <Dreaman> new kernel work well
[15:05] <Dreaman> :)
[15:05] <Dreaman> os[Linux 2.6.31-13-generic-pae i686] distro[Ubuntu "karmic" 9.10] cpu[2 x AMD Athlon(tm) 7750 Dual-Core Processor (AuthenticAMD) @ 2.70GHz] mem[Physical: 3.9GB, 87.4% free] disk[Total: 593.5GB, 29.7% free] video[ATI Technologies Inc RV730XT [Radeon HD 4670]] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia1: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI]
[15:05] <Cynthia> helix84: oh dear, avahi :/ it's giving you an IPv4 link local address
[15:05] <Dr_Willis> billybigrigger:  It aint even seeing the flash plugin.. Not sure ifits a 64 or 32bit issue
[15:05] <luka> carlosgaldino: or any other place but in a folder... after uve download everything... open a terminal... cd to the folder.... cd Deskop/kernel and then... sudo dpkg -i *
[15:05] <luka> carlosgaldino: that will install everything...
[15:05] <helix84> Cynthia: yes, after DHCP doesn't respond
[15:05] <Cynthia> helix84: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=499929
[15:06] <luka> carlosgaldino: after that u can boot it from grub2 menu...
[15:06] <Cynthia> try this and report back after stopping the service (disabling it entirely if it works)
[15:06] <luka> carlosgaldino: i have to go, hope it helps!
[15:06] <carlosgaldino> and this version will be replaced?
[15:07] <zer0x> Does anyone know how I can change default sound devices in karmic? /System/Preferences/Sound no long has a 'Devices' tab?!
[15:08] <milaz> Ah, reboot is needed. Wish me a good luck :)
[15:08] <joaopinto> zer0x, try padevchooser
[15:08] <Cynthia> zer0x: same dialog, Output tab
[15:09] <joaopinto> or yes, the default dialog :P
[15:09] <Cynthia> I only have Internal Audio Analog Stereo, but it's under "Choose a device for sound output"
[15:09] <helix84> Cynthia: i ran sudo stop network-manager, sudo ifconfig eth0:avahi down, sudo stop avahi-daemon. ifconfig -a doesn't contain eth0:avahi anymore. sudo dhclient eth0 still without DHCPOFFER.
[15:10] <carlosgaldino> the kernel rc3 will be the official?
[15:11] <Cynthia> helix84: then I have no more ideas. anyone else having an idea for helix84's DHCP problem, please jump in
[15:11] <zer0x> There does not seem to be any facility to switch between pulseaudio and alsa..
[15:11] <helix84> Hello, I installed Karmic Beta for testing and I won't get an address from DHCP on ethernet. Neither NetworkManager nor dhclient will receive a DHCPOFFER. Static configuration does work. DHCP works in Windows XP on the same computer. Any clues how I can investigate the problem?
[15:11] <zer0x> Is it just me or is PulseAudio a PITA?
[15:14] <helix84> Cynthia: anyway, dhclient will bring eth0:avahi back up even though avahi-daemon is disabled. but zeroconf should not be the problem, it's a fallback for the case there's no IP from DHCP.
[15:15] <Cynthia> helix84: indeed, but I just wanted to make sure
[15:15] <helix84> Cynthia: right, won't hurt to disable things like avahi-daemon and network-manager when they only get inthe way :)
[15:16] <Cynthia> :)
[15:16] <helix84> Cynthia: I'll try wireshark
[15:17] <carlosgaldino> when the final version will released, will be easy to update from beta version?
[15:17] <Cynthia> helix84: ok; also check your router or switch's lights to see if it receives anything
[15:17] <Pici> !final | carlosgaldino
[15:17] <joaopinto> helix84, have you checked the dhcp server logs ?
[15:17] <Frickelpit> carlosgaldino: No, you have to install 5 times and walk around the Block. :-D
[15:17] <joaopinto> is your physical connection ok ?
[15:18] <helix84> joaopinto: i actually do have access to them, thanks for the reminder
[15:18] <carlosgaldino> i said this, because i always had problems when making updates
[15:18] <joaopinto> carlosgaldino, if you plan to use beta, you should be prepated for problems :P
[15:19] <carlosgaldino> when i update from intrepid to jaunty, i have to format and install all again
[15:19] <carlosgaldino> joaopinto, i'm prepared, i was using jaunty and i had more problems
[15:19] <carlosgaldino> because the intel video card
[15:20] <temporarytao> hi, can someone help me fix the problem where the screen brightness keeps going high and low?
[15:20] <carlosgaldino> now on karmic only there's only the bip problem...but only 20 days to wait, i can wait. hehe
[15:21] <carlosgaldino> whoops, wrote only twice. sorry
[15:25] <helix84> joaopinto: the  problem seems to be on ubuntu side. DHCP server does send DHCPOFFER but I don't see it on Ubuntu with wireshark (DISCOVER, REQUEST, ACK, DISCOVER, DISCOVER, DISCOVER, ...).
[15:26] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. cant get huludesktop working. :(
[15:26] <helix84> joaopinto: there are no rules in iptables, default policy is allow. what else could throw away DHCPOFFER packets?
[15:28] <joaopinto> helix84, no idea, that seems to be a low lever networking problem
[15:31] <gilos123> I installed 9.10 as my first OS on 500gb drive (using 70gb partition) on my laptop and now I want to add win7 to my next partition.  Is there anything I need to do to prepare for it for grub2?
[15:31] <helix84> joaopinto: I just don't have enough data to file a bug report
[15:32] <legend2440> just installed some updates including linux-image-2.6.31-13-generic (2.6.31-13.42) and linux-headers-2.6.31-13 (2.6.31-13.42). now  ctrl+alt F1-F6  are not working. no login just some ble characters that look like Chinese letters. anyone else seen this?
[15:32] <legend2440> *blue
[15:33] <Cynthia> gilos123: installing Windows after Linux means that the boot loader is going to be overwritten. you need to take no precautions, except that your Linux partition will become inaccessible
[15:33] <Dreaman> work well
[15:34] <Dreaman> os[Linux 2.6.31-13-generic-pae i686] distro[Ubuntu "karmic" 9.10] cpu[2 x AMD Athlon(tm) 7750 Dual-Core Processor (AuthenticAMD) @ 1.35GHz] mem[Physical: 3.9GB, 80.3% free] disk[Total: 593.5GB, 29.7% free] video[ATI Technologies Inc RV730XT [Radeon HD 4670]] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia1: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI]
[15:34] <Dreaman> :)
[15:34] <billybigrigger> Dreaman, stop that script
[15:34] <Cynthia> you will probably have to update-grub on an Ubuntu LiveCD, so that os-prober may redetect Ubuntu and rewrite grub2
[15:34] <gilos123> Cynthia: so how will I get it back so I can boot both?
[15:34] <Cynthia> er, possibly update-grub2, I haven't done this yet
[15:35] <billybigrigger> $ sudo update-grub
[15:35] <billybigrigger> will work fine
[15:35] <gilos123> Cynthia: is grub a partition?
[15:35] <Lazy_> gilos123: it is a boot loader
[15:35] <Cynthia> grub (and grub2, in karmic) is a boot loader, it sits in the master boot record
[15:35] <gilos123> does it show up as it's own slice?
[15:35] <Cynthia> nope
[15:35] <Lazy_> gilos123: no
[15:35] <bill1> hi  there
[15:35] <kaddi> hi, pretty basic question: if I do sudo apt-get upgrade I get a couple of held back packages. Is there a way I can see why the packages are being held back?
[15:35] <gilos123> okay, because I was thinking I could tell win7 to boot the right slice.
[15:36] <Cynthia> kaddi: attempt to select them in Synaptic or aptitude
[15:36] <bill1> i  prefer  904
[15:36] <gilos123> because I want to do win7, and then solaris x86
[15:36] <Cynthia> or in Synaptic, right-click Properties on the held-back package, and look around in the window that appears; missing dependencies or Conflicts are likely to be the cause
[15:36] <bill1> i  will  wait  for  LTS
[15:37] <skwashd> i can't find anything useful using google on this ... should /tmp be erased on boot? ... jaunty, hardy and dapper all do it for me
[15:37] <kaddi> Cynthia: I'm using kde so no synaptics installed and the packagemanager from kde is a pain. Which is why I tend to use the command line for updating/upgrading :D
[15:37] <Cynthia> kaddi: ah, I see :p
[15:38] <Cynthia> uhm... aptitude then
[15:38]  * NinjaPlimsolls wakes up
[15:38] <Cynthia> try to select the package
[15:38]  * kaddi offers some coffee to NinjaPlimsolls
[15:38] <gilos123> today when I did a apt-get upgrade, had problems with ubuntusutdio-default-settings not working properly.
[15:39] <NinjaPlimsolls> thanks kaddi :D
[15:39] <Lazy_> gilos123: as billybigrigger said i think that running "sudo update-grub" after win 7 installation will be enough so that you can dual boot
[15:40] <NinjaPlimsolls> kaddi, french roast? :P
[15:40] <gilos123> thanks, will do that.
[15:40] <Lazy_> if windows entry disappears from grub but you can still boot ubuntu it will be easy to fix anyway
[15:40] <Leif> Okay, I might have found a fix for my brightness adjusting problems, what do you think?: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/fix-your-laptops-brightness-function-keys-operating-properly-in-hardy.html
[15:40] <Lazy_> its harder the other way around :)
[15:41] <kaddi> Cynthia: it was a version upgrade in one of the libs, blocking upgrade for some photo-tools... looks fine now.
[15:41] <Leif> I know it's for 9.04, but I jumped straight from 8.04 to 9.10
[15:41] <kaddi> NinjaPlimsolls: sure, only the very best :D
[15:42] <Pici> Leif: Wait. You upgraded from 8.04 directly to 9.10?
[15:42] <cybersplice> Pici: That was brave.
[15:42] <kaddi> that doesnt sound healthy
[15:42] <NinjaPlimsolls> hi picci
[15:43] <Leif> Well, not upgraded.
[15:43] <Cynthia> Fresh reinstall of 9.10 or a forced upgrade via editing sources.list?
[15:43] <Leif> I first wiped out vista, and put 7 on it.
[15:43] <Leif> Then, I wiped out 8.04, and put 9.10 on it.
[15:43] <IdleOne> it's like going from a bycicle to a harley over night
[15:43] <Leif> lol, yes it is. :)
[15:43] <IdleOne> Leif: ahhh ok that's different
[15:43] <Leif> IdleOne: Ya, sorry.  Anyway, do you think it is relitivly safe to try?  Thanks.
[15:44] <IdleOne> try 9.10? sure
[15:44] <Leif> No, try the screen brightness fix for 9.04 on 9.10
[15:44] <arvind_khadri> hi, are the repo's down?
[15:44] <Leif> (as I currently can't change the screen brightness of my laptop with the Fn keys)
[15:45] <Pici> Leif: Have you filed a bug for the issue yet?
[15:45] <NinjaPlimsolls> is there a way to get true transparency for GNOME panels?
[15:45]  * Cynthia just got done rebuilding laptop-mode-tools 1.52-1ubuntu1, it was indeed a whitespace error in the diff
[15:45] <kaddi> Leif: can you change your brightness through settings?
[15:45] <IdleOne> Leif: worst that can happen is it wont work and you might have to fresh install. make backup files of whatever config's you edit so you can return to default if you need to
[15:45] <kaddi> arvind_khadri: they aren't for me, just did some upgrade
[15:46] <Leif> Pici: no, I wasn't sure if it was a bug, but I can do that.
[15:46] <arvind_khadri> kaddi, i cant reach them at all, might be the mirrors here
[15:46] <Leif> kaddi:  I can't find any brightness settings in the properties, but it does change when I plug and unplug the laptop
[15:46] <Leif> IdleOne:  Okay, thanks.  can do.
[15:46] <kaddi> arvind_khadri: I'm using the official german ones de.archive.ubuntu.com
[15:47] <mbeierl> Is there a new (ish) issue with losing wireless after suspend/resume?  During the alpha it was working but now when I suspend and resume I am no longer able to scan for wireless networks or use the wireless at all.
[15:47] <kaddi> Leif: you wouldn't be using kde, would you? because then I could point you to it. :p
[15:47] <Leif> kaddi:  No, sorry, gnome.
[15:48] <kaddi> Leif: but we don't have the same issue apparently, just checked, I can't modify any screen brightness, it also doesn't change when I plug/unplug the power..
[15:49] <Leif> kaddi:  okay, well, thanks anyway.
[15:50] <Mark_Milliman> Has anyone else noticed that wired Ethernet connections are slow?   I have a 100BaseT NIC and the best I can get out of it is 17 Mbit/s.
[15:51] <sparky> is there anyway in karmic to allow more than 1 gnome login from the same user? it used to be possible in jaunty and below
[15:51] <kaddi> Mark_Milliman: I certainly recall someone asking the same question a couple of days ago. But I'm using wireless and haven't notice any drops
[15:52] <Leif> Nope, it didn't work, but I may have found more of the problem.  Do any of you know if 9.10 changed the video brightness file?
[15:52] <Mark_Milliman> kaddi:  any recollection if there was a resolution?
[15:52] <Leif> from video_brightnessup.sh (and down.sh), to: videobtn.sh
[15:53] <Mark_Milliman> I've turned off IPv6 and ACPI plus changed my nslookup.
[15:53] <Dr_Willis> sparky:  with the right command from the console you could spawn a 2nd X instance.. but im not sure if its doable from GDM/Gnome any more
[15:53] <Mark_Milliman> The card negotiated at 100 Mbit/s full duplex
[15:54] <sparky> oh ok :/
[15:54] <sparky> whats the command? :)
[15:54] <sparky> startx with options?
[15:54] <Dr_Willis> sparky:  somthing silmier to startx -- :1
[15:54] <Dr_Willis> I think
[15:54] <Dr_Willis> note the 2 dashes
[15:54] <kaddi> Mark_Milliman: no, sorry.
[15:54] <Mark_Milliman> I can't believe we are still living with X windows!
[15:55] <sparky> ;o
[15:55] <Dr_Willis> write a replacement then.. :)
[15:55] <Mark_Milliman> I first encountered X windows in '86
[15:55] <Mark_Milliman> Apple did
[15:55] <Martyn> urk
[15:55] <Martyn> latest update broke boot for me.   Crappola
[15:56] <Mark_Milliman> Palm did too
[15:56] <Dr_Willis> Martyn:  broke the consoles for me..
[15:56] <Martyn> yep,s ame
[15:56] <Mark_Milliman> I just want faster Internet and Ethernet.
[15:56] <Dr_Willis> cant get huludesktop for linux working either. :(
[15:56] <Mark_Milliman> Can't watch video at these slow rates
[15:57] <Dr_Willis> Move the pc's down to the lowest point in the house.. data travels faster downhill......
[15:57] <Dr_Willis> :)
[15:57] <Mark_Milliman> The only conclusion I have come to is the b44 driver
[15:57] <Mark_Milliman> Dr_Willis LOL
[15:57] <cybersplice> Data travels fastest on the way to the recycle bin.
[15:57] <cybersplice> FTL = truth.
[15:57] <sparky> Dr_Willis: that starts an xsession using my default window manager, is there a way to make a diff window manager (xbmc) start instead on the new session?
[15:57] <Mark_Milliman> or to /dev/null
[15:57] <Cynthia> cybersplice: no, /dev/null ;)
[15:58] <Dr_Willis> data travel fastest whenb ya do rm data by mistake :)
[15:58] <Dr_Willis> sparky:  edit the .xinitrc or .Xsession
[15:58] <Mark_Milliman> I have a 50+ Mbit/s internet connection and I would like to use it.
[15:58] <Dr_Willis> sparky:  you asked how to make it run a 2nd gnome session. :)
[15:58] <Dr_Willis> sparky:  and xbmc is NOT a window manager.. its just an app.
[15:58] <sparky> hmm, it can run as a window manager?
[15:58] <Dr_Willis> sparky:  you might want to install icewm, and have the .xinitrc (or .Xsession read)
[15:58] <Dr_Willis> xbmc &
[15:58] <Dr_Willis> exec icewm
[15:59] <Dr_Willis> it can run without a window manager... but its not a window manager. :)
[15:59] <sparky> ah ok
[15:59] <Dr_Willis> no wm = hope no dialogs or stuff pop up, or other windows and goofes things up
[15:59] <Dr_Willis> flwm, or jwm, or fluxbox, may also be better for you then icewm.
[16:00] <Leif> Okay, I found this: KEY_BRIGHTNESSDOWN=224 KEY_BRIGHTNESSUP=225 KEY_MEDIA=226 KEY_VIDEOOUT=227
[16:01] <Leif> can any of you tell me where i can find out what keys 224, and 225 are?
[16:01] <Leif> thanks
[16:02] <Cynthia> Mark_Milliman: I'll test pushing a data file through Apache over Ethernet here and report on the results
[16:02] <sparky> Dr_Willis: thanks
[16:03] <Mark_Milliman> Cynthia, thanks.  I'd appreciate it.  What is the speed of your NIC?
[16:03] <Cynthia> 100 mbit
[16:04] <Cynthia> actually, 100 mbit throughout, because the router, sender and receiver would all be 100 mbit
[16:04] <Mark_Milliman> Cynthia, then we are apples to apples. My GigE card hauls down up to 70 Mbit/s with speedtest.net and about 250 Mbit/s on the LAN.
[16:04] <Mark_Milliman> ...with Vista
[16:04] <mbeierl> Say, anyone using Thunderbird instead of Evo here?  Is there a way to get the little notification mail icon to display thunderbird instead of evo?
[16:04] <joaopinto> Leif, check https://wiki.kubuntu.org/LaptopTesting/Keycodes
[16:04] <Mark_Milliman> I can't let Vista beat Ubuntu.
[16:04] <Leif> Also, I just found the brightness changer bar in gnome, and it works.
[16:04] <Leif> joaopinto: thanks
[16:05] <Cynthia> also Mark_Milliman: there was something really weird about my previous router, it would send at 14 Mbit even though it was a 100 Mbit router. (If it was 10 Mbit, I wouldn't have seen 14, obviously)
[16:05] <joaopinto> Leif, I know there was a change on karmic related to special keys handling, there was a call for test it
[16:05] <Cynthia> turns out there was insufficient buffer memory for routing
[16:05] <Mark_Milliman> Cynthia, not good
[16:05] <Mark_Milliman> I really wish I had an Ethernet switch instead of this hub/router.
[16:06] <joaopinto> Leif, :
[16:06] <joaopinto> Ubuntu 9.10 Beta's underlying technology for power management, laptop hotkeys, and handling of storage devices and cameras maps has moved from "hal" (which is in the process of being deprecated) to "DeviceKit-power", "DeviceKit-disks" and "udev". When testing Ubuntu 9.10 Beta, please be alert for regressions in those areas and report any bugs you find.
[16:06] <Cynthia> but since this one is a wireless router, and wireless routing pretty much demands high buffer memory, this one is better at doing wired routing as well
[16:07] <kaddi> joaopinto: is this alreday true for the 2.6.30 kernel? I had a regression when I upgraded jaunty to 2.6.30. The problem persists in karmic
[16:07] <Mark_Milliman> Cynthia, my Ubuntu laptop gets the same 15-17 Mbit/s performance on Wi-Fi which is what I would expect with encryption.
[16:08] <Mark_Milliman> I actually would expect performance around 40-50 Mbit/s on my wired connection.
[16:08] <joaopinto> kaddi, you are not expected to use 2.6.30 with jaunty
[16:08] <kaddi> joaopinto: I had to, my intel graphics card wouldn't let me use jaunty at all otherwise.
[16:10] <Leif> joaopinto:  Okay, I will do that.  Also, it appears that none of the Fn keys actually have a key code.
[16:10] <joaopinto> kaddi, so expect other problems ;)
[16:11] <duffydack> mmm, karmic unr is so nice.
[16:12] <Leif> Interesting, except the brightness up, and brightness down keys xev won't even respond to them.
[16:13] <Mark_Milliman> brb, rebooting after a kernel rebuild
[16:13] <wirechief_> duffydack do you have ubuntu karmic remix 9.10 ? I was having issues with it installing, perhaps they have fixed it.
[16:14] <Leif> Right well, I need to go to class now, but again, thank you for all of you help.
[16:14] <void^_> Leif, you don't get key events with fn keys usually. on most laptops they produce acpi events.
[16:14] <kaddi> joaopinto: I'm using karmic now, with the default kernel. Question is: Do I file a bugreport because brightness cant be changed in karmic or do I update the one I made for kernel 2.6.30
[16:14] <duffydack> wirechief_, karmic remix yes..
[16:15] <joaopinto> kaddi, does the brightness applet works ?
[16:15] <duffydack> wirechief_, beta.  not an img anymore so used usb creator.
[16:15] <kaddi> joaopinto: no. It also doesn't change brightness when I unlplug the powersupply
[16:15] <duffydack> brb
[16:15] <wirechief_> duffydack ok, was wondering the date of your .iso , mine was Oct 7th
[16:15] <joaopinto> ok, yes, you should file a bug report, not sure what would be the correct package
[16:16] <joaopinto> kaddi, try asking at #ubuntu-bugs
[16:20] <Mark_Milliman> I'm back
[16:20] <hggdh> kaddi: update the bug you already have open for the brightness
[16:21] <kaddi> hggdh: ok
[16:22] <hggdh> kaddi: if you can follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Description, this would be good
[16:23] <Cynthia> Mark_Milliman: GNOME System Monitor reports my Ethernet speed as a constant 11.1 megabytes/sec, with some bursts above and below.
[16:23] <Cynthia> That would be about 90 megabit
[16:24] <Mark_Milliman> Cynthia, thanks.  Let me test again.
[16:24] <Cynthia> my test is a 16 GiB file full of zeroes made with the dd tool, and a symbolic link to that file from /var/www
[16:25] <Cynthia> ubuntu karmic/apache is the sender, windows/opera is the receiver
[16:25] <helix84> booting Windows XP and then back to Ubuntu seems to solve my issue... I will see how long this will last. In case anyone wondered, the NIC was Marvel Yukon 88E8055 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 14)
[16:27] <NinjaPlimsolls> hurro
[16:27]  * NinjaPlimsolls sips his strongbow
[16:28] <wirechief_> This is really cool:  http://unixlab.blogspot.com/2009/10/downloading-ubuntu-910-beta-with-zsync.html seems to work good...
[16:31] <kaddi> NinjaPlimsolls: weren't you drinking coffee just a minute ago? :p
[16:32] <Cynthia> Mark_Milliman: oh, and I didn't see that there are a whopping 250 KB per second of TCP ACKs for this transfer, so add another 2 megabit to my 90
[16:33] <NinjaPlimsolls> kaddi, I finished off the coffee and moved onto the cider! wee
[16:33] <kaddi> hehe, nice :D
[16:33] <NinjaPlimsolls> and then im having a chinese takeaway later
[16:34] <NinjaPlimsolls> mmmmm king prawn chow mein!
[16:34] <bigdog> beta question
[16:34] <bigdog> I installed 9.10 server , cloud
[16:34] <Mark_Milliman> Cynthia, I just saw a burst to 50 Mbit/s but my sustaining rate is around 16-18 Mbit/s.
[16:34] <carlosgaldino> do you have a problem with totem? sometimes when i open a video file the programa frozes and stay black he focus
[16:34] <bigdog> not problems
[16:34] <bigdog> I did an apt-get ubuntu-desktop
[16:35] <bigdog> and there were many packages that would not install
[16:35] <Cynthia> carlosgaldino: totem hangs are a very known bug at this moment, let me search launchpad
[16:35] <bigdog> should this be expected behaviour?
[16:35] <Mark_Milliman> Cynthia, I still believe that my performance is a bit lower than it should be.
[16:36] <Martyn> bigdog : No, that's bad
[16:36] <carlosgaldino> Cynthia, ok
[16:36] <Martyn> bigdog : It means that we have some reccomends that should probably be full dependencies on packages
[16:36] <carlosgaldino> Cynthia, i'll wait
[16:36] <NinjaPlimsolls> right cya later all, back in a bit
[16:37] <abhinav> hi .. is there a ppa available for earlier versions of eclipse on karmic ?
[16:38] <abhinav> was trying to install subclipse on the latest (galileo) but faced some issues
[16:38] <Cynthia> carlosgaldino: bugs 438859, 432191, 440959
[16:39] <Cynthia> didn't know this would work, I thought it would just say one
[16:39] <Cynthia> many more on launchpad, just search for "totem UI unresponsive", "totem hang", "totem freeze" in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[16:40] <Mark_Milliman> Cynthia, thanks for your validation.  I'll have to keep hunting for the problem.
[16:40] <kulight> איך אני יודע מה ?
[16:40] <kulight> טלפתיה
[16:40] <Cynthia> abhinav: ganymede is likely to be in the jaunty repositories, add a jaunty repository line to your sources.list
[16:40] <abhinav> would like to install a stable eclipse 3.4.2
[16:41] <Cynthia> alternatively, it's going to be a download on eclipse.org; you'll have to install it yourself if it isn't
[16:41] <alankila> I had bad experience with karmic's eclipse 3.5.1. Java content assist is broken on that one, so I can't recommend using it.
[16:41] <Cynthia> there have been package dependency problems with ganymede, and galileo is still undergoing packaging bugs
[16:41] <Cynthia> (in karmic)
[16:41] <alankila> the eclipse 3.4.2 was in karmic not long ago, though.
[16:42] <abhinav> Cynthia: tried a download from eclipse.org, there were some issues (probably dependencies/runtime)
[16:42] <abhinav> and different reasons for failures on 3.5.x, as you mentioned
[16:43] <abhinav> let me try jaunty as you mention ..thanks !
[16:43] <Cynthia> kulight: אנחנו לא מדברים עברית כאן
[16:43] <Cynthia> ('We do not speak Hebrew here', auto translation)
[16:43] <Pici> !il | kulight
[16:43] <bigdog> here is a paste from  apt-get install ubuntu-desktop  on 9.10 beta server cloud  http://pastesite.com/10937
[16:44] <Cynthia> aha, thanks Pici :D
[16:44] <kulight> sorry wrong window Cynthia Pici
[16:44] <Cynthia> no worries
[16:44] <Pici> Its okay :)
[16:46] <IdleOne> il is Israel?
[16:47] <Cynthia> I wonder how much data this machine could push per second if it had a GigE card, apache+kernel CPU usage are below 4%; ironically, gnome system monitor is tying up more CPU time than that
[16:47] <Cynthia> IdleOne: yes :)
[16:48] <alankila> gnome-system-monitor is awesome, like 15 % cpu drain here all due to unaccelerated composing with cairo line drawing and background image
[16:48] <alankila> I read the source to that thing at some point when I stared incredulously at how heavy it was
[16:48] <DanaG> hmm, is it possible to get ubuntu to boot with main console "quiet" but yet verbose on ttyS0?
[16:48] <Cynthia> alankila: 10 to 15% usage here too
[16:49] <alankila> Ironically it would probably be a lot faster if it didn't try to compose the line on top of pre-existing background but just rather drawed everything anew every frame
[16:49] <alankila> draw? drew? How did these verb tenses go...
[16:49] <Cynthia> alankila: drew, it's an irregular verb, and those are lame :P
[16:49] <Cynthia> though French has even more
[16:50] <alankila> right, it struck me that "drawed" looked odd for some reason
[16:51] <IdleOne> alankila: Drew is also a proper name. English is beautiful
[16:51] <alankila> anyway, I have a java application that renders about 5000 lines per frame and it's faster than gnome-system-monitor. :-/
[16:51] <alankila> that's how ridiculously slow it is.
[16:51] <Cynthia> lol :(
[16:52] <IdleOne> buy, by,bi,bye all pronounced the same. I prefer latin languages
[16:53] <alankila> IdleOne: you should see Finnish, we have identical writeouts of words that have completely different meanings, like "tapettiin" that means "was killed" or "to tapestry"
[16:53] <IdleOne> alankila: lol
[16:54] <alankila> Pathetic, really... We have very long words and regardless there are collisions
[16:54] <Cynthia> alankila: you guys should use md5 :)
[16:55] <Cynthia> md5($word . $type) where $type is either 'verb', 'noun', 'adjective' or 'adverb'
[16:56] <IdleOne> I speak 4 languages, words to me are like candy. I can't write to save my life but my thing is the sound more so then writing.
[16:57] <IdleOne> Cynthia: wouldn't that require an md5 for every word in a sentence?
[16:57] <Cynthia> IdleOne: only the ambiguous ones
[16:57] <IdleOne> Cynthia: all the words would be ambiguous to someone who doesn't speak your language
[16:58] <alankila> Cynthia: actually, that would work. Knowing what the base word type was would be enough to disambiguate... the problem really is that verbs have suffixes that are shared with nouns, partially, breeding the collisions.
[16:58] <Cynthia> alankila: those are the worst suffixes
[16:59] <alankila> so the imperfect looks like "-tiin" and the, err, illative, looks like "-in", so when the noun ends with "ti" it suddenly looks like a verb.
[16:59] <Dr_Willis> No Hablo
[16:59] <Dr_Willis> :P
[16:59] <IdleOne> Yo tan poco
[17:00] <Cynthia> mi también, un poco ('me as well, a bit')
[17:00] <Pici> !offtopic
[17:00]  * Cynthia nods
[17:00] <IdleOne> why can't everybody just speak the natural language of the human being, English.
[17:00] <Dr_Willis> Googlish
[17:00] <IdleOne> :P
[17:00] <Cynthia> so I haven't updated my beta since yesterday; there are reports of total breakage with some drivers, shall I check for new packages?
[17:00] <IdleOne> Pici: this could convo could lead into a whole new project for ubuntu
[17:01] <IdleOne> -could
[17:01] <IdleOne> errr
[17:01] <IdleOne> ok i'll stop now
[17:01] <Cynthia> this conversation could be construed as mildly relevant for ubuntu i18n :)
[17:02] <Cynthia> regardless, ouch, 136 updates
[17:04] <void^_> any known issues with via ide controller drivers, perchance?
[17:08] <preetam> hai has anybody tried the beta version of ubuntu 9.10
[17:09] <mac_v> preetam: is that a trick question ;)
[17:09] <Cynthia> preetam: this channel is pretty much full of Ubuntu developers and karmic testers :p
[17:09] <abhinav> Is suspend and hibernate broken in karmic for all laptops ? It is for for lenovo t61
[17:09] <Cynthia> abhinav: hibernate is broken even for my desktop
[17:09] <Tronic> abhinav: STR works fine on my laptop.
[17:09] <Dr_Willis> THey worked on my laptop last i tried those..
[17:09] <Dr_Willis> but i rarely use the feature
[17:09] <Tronic> Hibernate doesn't because I don't have swap partition.
[17:09] <mac_v> abhinav: it works for some  , some it doesnt , you need to report the bug :)
[17:10] <mac_v> works for me though
[17:10] <kaddi> Hi I'm having a problem with thunderbird and was wondering if you could help. About 3 weeks ago thunderbird stopped opening links in mails, I believe this might be the same time I upgraded. I have set thunderbird to the default mail-client and did add the network.app-handler.http to firefox, but that didn't help. Any other suggestions how to get my links to open again?
[17:10] <preetam> hai how is ubuntu 9.10..
[17:10] <preetam> the feature the boot time
[17:10] <slacker_nl> preetam: doing fine
[17:11] <mac_v> preetam: my boot is 30sec lesser than it was in jaunty ;)
[17:11] <preetam> have anybody checked the ubuntu 9.10 with nvidia display driver
[17:12] <G_A_C> can anyone tell me the best way to report this problem; sometimes when I leave my laptop for too long and the screen goes to sleep, I can't wake the laptop up. I press a key and nothing happens, I know the laptop is locked up because I can see things like IRC timeouts. The only solution is a hard reboot, but then I can't run apport or similar to get the bug report started. What's the best way to report the bug?
[17:12] <preetam> hai mac_v if that is the case with u then what about my Dell laptop it is already booting in 26 second in jaunty
[17:13] <mac_v> preetam: wont boot ;p
[17:13] <shiznebit_> might boot before you press the button
[17:15] <preetam> yeah..so ubuntu 9.10 will be going head on with windows 7 in next few days
[17:15] <mac_v> preetam: oh , the time for me was till the user session.. but 26 secs is awesome
[17:15] <mac_v> kaddi: the links work fine here... whats happens when you click the link?
[17:15] <mac_v> with thunderbird*
[17:15] <kaddi> mac_v: nothing, saddly
[17:17] <alankila> I wish karmic booted even faster than it does... 26 seconds is still a long time to wait for login screen. Does anyone have confirmation about boot performance on SSD?
[17:17] <preetam> yeah mac i realized  a significant booting time difference when i upgrade from 8.04 to 9.04
[17:17] <Dr_Willis> alankila:  oh the humanity of it all.. 23 whole secs... :)
[17:17] <Dr_Willis> sdd would proberly be a little faster.
[17:17] <alankila> The talk was about something of the order of 10 second boot
[17:17] <alankila> I was just wondering if it's really achieved by some configuration
[17:17] <Dr_Willis> alankila:  i will belive it when i see it.
[17:19] <kaddi> I get the login screen after a couple of seconds, might be a little more than ten... much quicker then with jaunty, but loading kde now takes much longer
[17:19] <Dr_Willis> kaddi:  yep. :) the actual window manager takes longer here also
[17:19] <Dr_Willis> My Grub DELAY is longer then the time it takes the os to boot
[17:19] <alankila> but anyway, at this point my bios startup sequence seems to take about as long as getting into GDM, so it's no longer a minute-long ordeal like it used to be at least.
[17:20] <Dr_Willis> a whole minute. :) heh...
[17:20]  * Dr_Willis is an old timer and thinks people are getting spoiled.
[17:20] <kaddi> kik
[17:20] <kaddi> lol
[17:20] <Dr_Willis> i rember taking HOURS to backup cp/m disks ....
[17:20] <alankila> well, I'm an old timer as well. The computers I used to have used to work in a few seconds after you turn the power on button.
[17:21] <Dr_Willis> My C64 booted up very fast. :)
[17:21] <alankila> computers today are a hundred times faster, and correspondingly the OSes they run must be a thousand times more complex. Sort of computes, even.
[17:21] <Dr_Willis> My Amiga would boot.. copy the boot flopy to the RAD: disk. then reboot from the rad (a kind of ram) disk.. :)
[17:22] <Dr_Willis> 100 times? :) i think it may be 10-1000x more then that.
[17:22] <alankila> I'm not sure, exactly. It of course depends on what you take as the starting point. But again, the lure of off-topic argument.
[17:22] <jemark> any tried the latest kernel update?
[17:23] <Cynthia> jemark: Update Manager is downloading it here, it will be installed soon
[17:24] <jemark> Cynthia, cool
[17:24] <jemark> Cynthia, i installed it and works great
[17:25] <jemark> Cynthia, my bootscreen is not getting error messages anymore
[17:25] <h00k> Mine isn't either, regarding USB devices.
[17:26] <dell_> hello all i am having a probelm configureing xorg
[17:26] <billybigrigger> anyone here having xsplash/gdm lockup problems?
[17:26] <dell_> it seems karmic doesnt have it by default what is the command to create the xorg
[17:26] <billybigrigger> i can boot to recovery mode, and run startx, bypassing gdm, and no problems, if i boot normally, xsplash/gdm hard locks, i can't tell which one it is though
[17:27] <alankila> billybigrigger: try booting with nosplash option, but otherwise boot normally.
[17:27] <Cynthia> dell_: sudo nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:27] <billybigrigger> dell_, run Xorg -configure as root, and then it will dump an xorg.conf in /root copy it to /etc/X11/
[17:27] <alankila> I used to have usplash crashing geforce 8800 a year ago or so
[17:28] <billybigrigger> alankila, no, i'm talking xsplash, not usplash
[17:28] <billybigrigger> usplash doesn't even work for me
[17:28] <sako> hey all, I am having some weird issues with ubuntu not starting up after logging in... and also sometimes freezes before it properly shuts down on the ubuntu screen
[17:28] <alankila> oh... um, right
[17:28] <sako> any logs I can check?
[17:28] <dell_> the commands wont work because there is no xorg file yet
[17:29] <billybigrigger> dell_, i told you what you need to do
[17:29] <alankila> billybigrigger: still, you might try my suggestion.
[17:29] <alankila> my system has both usplash and xsplash installed.
[17:29] <billybigrigger> alankila, booting with nosplash disables usplash iirc
[17:29] <dell_> thank billy
[17:30] <billybigrigger> not xsplash
[17:30] <alankila> can you just try uninstalling xsplash, or start gdm from recovery mode with service gdm start?
[17:31] <alankila> that way you might find out which crashes it... assuming xsplash is not started by gdm actually
[17:31] <alankila> hmm... xsplash *is* started by gdm, it seems
[17:32] <dell_> Billy i keep getting a file not found error. Command i am using is kdesudo Xorg -configure
[17:32] <Dr_Willis> alankila:  yes it is..
[17:32] <Dr_Willis> the gdm configs  launch/check for xsplash
[17:32] <Dr_Willis> the things we go through to have a pretty boot up...
[17:32] <alankila> so uninstalling it has to be, then.
[17:32] <Dr_Willis> you could edit the gdm configs. :)
[17:32] <alankila> I think the pretty bootup is a disservice because it tends to hide errors behind the graphics.
[17:33] <billybigrigger> brb
[17:33] <Dr_Willis> yep. but thats the focus now a days.. 'stupid-user friendly' :)
[17:33] <alankila> Maybe that's been fixed since, but all early splashes just made sure that less people noticed any errors and thus worsened release quality, most likely.
[17:33] <billybigrigger> dell_, $ sudo /bin/bash
[17:33] <billybigrigger> dell_, then Xorg -configure
[17:33] <billybigrigger> dell_, helps with a root shell, not sudo'd
[17:34] <Dr_Willis> Err...  sudo -s, not sudo /bin/bash i think is more proper
[17:34] <billybigrigger> Dr_Willis, sure :P
[17:34] <danlii> I can't start Thunderbird under karmic amd64, i get "libstdc++.so.5: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64" - any solutions?
[17:35] <dell_> thanks billy
[17:35] <billybigrigger> dell_, np
[17:36] <billybigrigger> ok lets try this again
[17:36] <billybigrigger> brb
[17:36] <sako> hey all, I am having some weird issues with ubuntu not starting up after logging in... and also sometimes freezes before it properly shuts down on the ubuntu screen
[17:36] <sako> the problems are very inconsistent, so I don't reall know what to look for.. or if there is anything I can do..
[17:38] <alankila> sako: you could check /var/log/messages after a crash to see if there's anything useful in there... or disable splashes as far as possible to perhaps see something written on screen instead of the graphics...
[17:40] <alankila> and you could try to press ctrl+alt+f1 to get a virtual console to log in, if you can't get into gnome/kde, or try a failsafe session that probably only gets you an xterm
[17:41] <alankila> there's also .xsession-errors in your home directory that can have a clue if starting your desktop doesn't work. Unfortunately, GNOME today is so complex that when it doesn't start for some reason it's practically undebugable.
[17:44] <MTecknology> I just installed koffice - but koffice isn't available.. :S
[17:45] <MTecknology> I guess I need to figure out what each one needs to be called as..
[17:45] <Dr_Willis> test with a newly made user - if gnome starts for them.. then it could be some setting in the problem users gnome settings
[17:46] <billybigrigger> anyone had any problems with the dailies? i'm going to go ahead with a clean install
[17:47] <billybigrigger> too much messing around since A2 :P i was going to wait until release, but beta is close enough
[17:48] <Dr_Willis> i always seem to play with the beta.. then do a clean reinstall about a month After the release..
[17:48] <Dr_Willis> that way they fixed all the issues  they find  in the first few weeks
[17:48] <alankila> I virtually never reinstall... but truth is, ubuntu has made reinstalling such a cheap operation -- virtually no configuration necessary -- that it's nowadays not so bad as an idea
[17:49] <nemo> BTW, does anyone know why nvidia + compiz = pulseaudio thrashing?
[17:49] <nemo> I'm really quite puzzled what that could be
[17:49] <nemo> if I stick to metacity or nv I can use SDL + pulseaudio w/ only minor loss of quality and occasional lockups
[17:49] <nemo> (that's downright stable for pulseaudio)
[17:49] <alankila> I remember when it took a day to set up debian linux the way you wanted it to be, and that was after you already knew what you needed.
[17:49] <nemo> as soon as I enable nvidia + compiz, I get 100% cpu usage on one or both cores and rapid degrading into lockups
[17:50] <Dr_Willis> windows still takes me 3 days alankila
[17:50] <alankila> nemo: I run nvidia, compiz and pulseaudio without such an issue here.
[17:50] <noren> hello all, when is the new release date
[17:50] <Dr_Willis> I got a few scripts i wrote for my ubuntu setups to set things up how i like them. :)
[17:50] <nemo> alankila: mm. and what sound card?
[17:50] <alankila> perhaps you could install oprofile and use the daemon to find out which part is spinning the CPU
[17:50] <Dr_Willis> !release | noren
[17:50] <alankila> nemo: audigy 2 zs
[17:50] <nemo> alankila: well. the CPU spinning I oprofiled in the past
[17:51] <nemo> alankila: ah. that's no good. pulseaudio works ok on good sound cards
[17:51] <nemo> it is the crappy ones everyone has that it fails hard on
[17:51] <nemo> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
[17:51] <nemo> in my case
[17:51] <alankila> heh, the first time I heard a soundblaster called "good card".
[17:51] <nemo> alankila: lol. back in the day it was standard recommendation for linux
[17:51] <nemo> alankila: back when sound dæmons sucked hard - there was relatively good driver support, and the HW mixing was decent
[17:52] <alankila> I mean, audigy has excellent sound quality but their linux support sucked, their PCI behavior was unfriendly and crashed machines, and there was Live! which was atrocious in almost every way.
[17:52] <nemo> so at least you could avoid device locks
[17:52] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. mny audigy2zs worked good for me for many a ages...
[17:52] <nemo> alankila: 00:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 05)
[17:52] <Dr_Willis> I gave up on them after the xi-fi stuff.
[17:52] <nemo> alankila: I'm still using that on my server, I installed it because the built-in sound sucked so hard
[17:52] <Dr_Willis> and i dont have any spare slots in this pc.
[17:52] <engie> 'afternoon. Is base-installer the name of the installer that you use after booting from a live CD? I'm looking to file a bug against it.
[17:52] <nemo> which was the ever-hated AC97
[17:52] <nemo> 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 10)
[17:53] <alankila> yes, I have a 823x based system, and I remember that the sound was seriously distorted and there were some random options for the kernel module to try and I tried them all and none fixed it :-p
[17:53] <nemo> alankila: aaanyway, you're unlikely to have problems w/ any sound dæmon, much less pulseaudio
[17:53] <alankila> but that must have been close to 5 years ago
[17:53] <Dr_Willis> Its pretty inpressive the features onboard sound has  these days.. compared th 5+ yrs ago. :)
[17:54] <nemo> so. guess I need someone else who uses intel snd + nvidia gfx + compiz - which is not that uncommon
[17:54] <alankila> nemo: yes... I have intel sound on laptop but that's a radeon system
[17:54] <nemo> alankila: hm. mind trying an SDL game like Hedgewars 0.9.11 ? curious if you'll run into the same
[17:54] <alankila> just a guess: can you modify the pulse daemon's fragment size to be considerably larger than the default which was something like 10 ms? Try 100 ms.
[17:54] <Dr_Willis> nvidia video and Nvidia MCP61 sound here.
[17:54] <nemo> alankila: just point and click at a package :)
[17:55] <nemo> alankila: ugh. back to dæmon tuning
[17:55] <alankila> default-fragment-size-msec = 10 is really not workable for many hardware where minimum fragment size is in the order of 1024 frames
[17:55] <nemo> but seriously. why on earth would that cause thrashing and crashing?
[17:55] <nemo> it should just cause distorted sound
[17:55] <nemo> unless something is seriously badly written
[17:55] <alankila> yes, well, you have me there
[17:56] <nemo> http://www.getdeb.net/app/Hedgewars <- mind trying that on your ati/intel/compiz ?
[17:56] <nemo> just start quick game
[17:56] <nemo> and leave it running for a bit
[17:56] <nemo> maybe tab back and forth once or twice
[17:56] <darthanubis> anyone with a Nvidia card care to try something out for me?
[17:56] <nemo> (that seems to speed up its inevitable death)
[17:56] <alankila> so it's pulseaudio that uses all the CPU, then? I just guess that it ends up in some ugly recovery loop attempting to get the audio back on track, perhaps.
[17:56] <darthanubis> please?
[17:56] <alankila> nemo: ok, booting that thing up then
[17:56] <nemo> alankila: CPU usage claims to be entirely in the SDL game
[17:56] <nemo> this happens to me w/ Wesnoth too BTW
[17:57] <nemo> alankila: I also sometimes get, w/ pulseaudio, 100% CPU usage in the Qt frontend, which also uses SDL
[17:57] <nemo> that claimed to be in the main Qt polling loop
[17:57] <nemo> although I eventually worked out it was the SDL calls
[17:57] <nemo> alankila: annoyingly I still get lockups w/ pulseaudio and 0.9.12-dev which is using openal
[17:57] <nemo> so I can't say SDL's dubious sound support is at fault
[17:58] <alankila> so you have libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio?
[17:58]  * nemo looks
[17:58] <nemo> I did install that I think
[17:58] <nemo> just need to verify
[17:58] <nemo> maybe got wiped in the upgrade
[17:58] <alankila> I don't know if openal talks directly to alsa... it has a configuration file of some sort which uses lispish syntax
[17:58] <nemo> (jaunty had pulse problems too, slightly less bad)
[17:59] <alankila> it seems that openal doesn't depend on anything that looks like audio output, so I guess it just does software mixing of sorts.
[17:59] <nemo> The following packages will be REMOVED: libsdl1.2debian-alsa
[17:59] <nemo> The following NEW packages will be installed: libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio
[18:00] <nemo> hmmm :)
[18:00] <nemo> worth testing *that*
[18:00] <alankila> okay, good luck
[18:00] <nemo> I did try that in jaunty, honest :D
[18:00] <nemo> maybe that's why it got worse
[18:00] <nemo> I think that installing that is in the recommendations for Ubuntu users in one of the forums
[18:01] <dell_> hello all
[18:01] <alankila> I'll just use the repository package for hedgewars, that's ok?
[18:01] <nemo> alankila: nope
[18:01] <nemo> not-ok
[18:01] <dell_> is billy still in the room?
[18:01] <alankila> aha
[18:01] <nemo> alankila: that's why I linked you :D
[18:01] <nemo> repository is hopelessly out-of-date
[18:01] <nemo> hmm
[18:01] <nemo> or at least it *was*
[18:02] <nemo> alankila: repo is still on like 0.9.7 right?
[18:02] <nemo> which is from mid-2008
[18:02] <alankila> no, the version is 0.9.11-5
[18:02] <dell_> here is my issue, perhaps someone can help am dealing with a table on kubuntu karmic (of course) and i need to create the xorg file so i can edit it. as Karmic doesnt have one by default what command(s) do i need to do
[18:03] <alankila> since that's the latest on the getdeb, I'm going to go against you and just use the repo version.
[18:03] <nemo> alankila: lol.
[18:03] <nemo> alankila: you're right there. sorry. I clearly haven't kept up
[18:03] <nemo> alankila: I'm just so used to Jaunty users coming by and asking "where are all the players" (lobby is filtered by version)
[18:04] <nemo> -5 suggests they probably added the get-deb patch too. I'll have to look.
[18:05]  * alankila wonders why the openjdk's pulse output doesn't work
[18:07] <alankila> I have working audio on my system at the title screen
[18:07] <nemo> alankila: click on quick game
[18:07] <nemo> should spawn game menu
[18:08] <nemo> er
[18:08] <nemo> game screen
[18:08] <nemo> then try alt-tab out of game screen once or twice
[18:08] <alankila> yes, ... totally broken game screen at least...
[18:08] <nemo> sound might stutter
[18:08] <nemo> woah
[18:08] <nemo> broken game screen?
[18:08] <jonLappy> whoa, at boot up right after grub my screen turns in to a bunch of small lines spaced apart evenly and they seem to "sparkle" randomly. Known bug?
[18:09] <nemo> alankila: like a black screen? 'cause that does happen in compiz for wimpy cards I've found - not the sound issue of course
[18:09] <alankila> hedgewars at 100% cpu usage afterwards and I never even saw any game graphics
[18:09] <nemo> ohhh
[18:09] <nemo> interesting
[18:09] <nemo> that's dramatic. but along the lines of what has been frustrating me
[18:09] <alankila> just gray screen and the underlying windows flashin their contents on top of it before being overwritten again.
[18:09] <nemo> alankila: killall pulseaudio recovers it?
[18:09] <nemo> yow
[18:09] <nemo> that's horrible
[18:09] <alankila> correct, that put hedgewars back to normal
[18:09] <nemo> lovely
[18:09] <Amaranth> ok, I'll install hedgewars...
[18:10] <nemo> alankila: so. in such a case I suggest to users.  "disable sound/music"
[18:10] <nemo> that avoids initialising SDL
[18:10] <Amaranth> nemo: got a bug number?
[18:10] <nemo> and then we all join in a round of cursing pulseaudio
[18:10] <nemo> and life goes on
[18:10] <nemo> some uninstall pulse - that works too
[18:10] <nemo> Amaranth: there are so many pulseaudio bugs. I've subscribed to many
[18:10] <Elone> hi, what file format is .lz?
[18:10] <nemo> haven't filed any
[18:10] <nemo> well
[18:10] <nemo> not recently
[18:11] <nemo> Amaranth: there are some SDL ones even
[18:11] <nemo> lemme see if I can find you one
[18:11] <nemo> I think the one I ran into was Wesnoth related
[18:11] <Amaranth> Elone: lzma
[18:11] <nemo> Wesnoth also blows up on my machine in pulseaudio
[18:11] <alankila> well, the fact that not even graphics works was something I sort of expect from linux today. I'm always surprised when something goes in fullscreen mode and doesn't stutter/crash/break
[18:11] <nemo> alankila: hm. turn off fullscreen?
[18:11] <Amaranth> there are almost 70,000 bugs open so that doesn't really help me
[18:12] <nemo> Amaranth: I'm looking, as I said :-p
[18:12] <nemo> alankila: might be interesting to see if that alters behaviour at all
[18:12] <alankila> linux has conditioned me to the point that I only expect the most primitive and simplest things to work. I'm almost ready to give up on it on desktop and move to windows 7 when it's final. :-/
[18:13]  * Dr_Willis would say the same thing about windows...
[18:13] <alankila> I probably would have done this already but the nvidia based system I got seems to work fine.
[18:13] <Dr_Willis> Yep. hardware can make the differance.
[18:13] <alankila> it's just this damn ati that never ever works no matter what hardware revision, whether closed or open drivers, or whatever.
[18:14] <Dr_Willis> I rarely have any issues in linux other then a few trivial things.
[18:14] <nemo> alankila: my ATI behaves fairly well
[18:14] <shadeslayer> alankila: its your decision,its your prefrence,we dont have a say in it ;)
[18:14] <alankila> that being said, radeonhd is closest to ever workin for me
[18:14] <Dr_Willis> I totally gave up pn ati about 2 years ago.
[18:14] <nemo> alankila: I'm running the fglrx of course
[18:14] <Lazy_> i gave up on ati like 5 years ago
[18:14] <Dr_Willis> and i dont get the latest and greatest Nvidia stuff either.
[18:14] <Lazy_> nvidia 8800gt has worked well
[18:14] <nemo> Dr_Willis: I just wish gnome-display-properties worked w/ nvidia :(
[18:14] <shadeslayer> Lazy_: i have the 8600 M GT
[18:14] <alankila> yeah, I might run that as well but I've had this working like 10 % of the time this laptop has existed. X.org isn't stable enough for fglrx: always pulls the rug from under that one
[18:14] <Dr_Willis> I got an 8800gtsxxx thats going on  a few years old now.
[18:14] <shadeslayer> im just afraid that itll burn up :P
[18:15] <Lazy_> maybe intels larrabee will bring decent graphics with opensource drivers
[18:15] <Dr_Willis> nemo:  yea - they need to work on gettting nvidia-settings integerated a little better
[18:15] <nemo> alankila: well. my ATI machine on karmic seems just fine w/ fglrx
[18:15] <nemo> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV730XT [Radeon HD 4670]
[18:15] <alankila> Hm. I'll install fglrx and see if it would finally work
[18:15] <nemo> alankila: was auto-installed w/ hw manager thingy
[18:15] <nemo> so I have no idea what configuration it did, if any
[18:15] <alankila> yeah jockey
[18:16] <alankila> I'll see if it's going to offer fglrx for me
[18:16] <nemo> that is where ubuntu shines btw
[18:16] <nemo> I've been using linux for like 14 years. and have gotten completely burned out on manual config
[18:16] <nemo> I'm fine w/ point n click configs :D
[18:16] <xguru> hmm...did the last set of updates this past two hours break anyones window boarders?
[18:16] <shadeslayer> jockey rocks in *buntu,amazing tool ;)
[18:16] <Cynthia> xguru: as of 30 minutes ago, nope
[18:17] <xguru> oh great...i have windows with no boarders to move/close..etc
[18:17] <alankila> nopes, jockey isn't offering fglrx for me. I guess it has blacklisted X1250 or something.
[18:17] <nemo> Amaranth: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wesnoth/+bug/241845/comments/5  I think this was the bug I ran into last time
[18:17] <alankila> this is the board on the laptop: 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series]
[18:17] <Amaranth> alankila: fglrx won't support that
[18:17] <nemo> Amaranth: now that alankila poitned out I'm still on the non-pulseaudio SDL, I'll retest Wesnoth in Karmic again
[18:18] <nemo> (it was freezing in Karmic too)
[18:18] <alankila> barf, fglrx has some of the worst support I've ever seen. This laptop is like 2 years old and they think it's already too obsolete for their latest & greatest?
[18:18] <Amaranth> RS690 is actually r500 which fglrx no longer supports
[18:18] <Amaranth> No, they think the open source drivers do it good enough
[18:18] <nemo> alankila: how old is the card in the laptop? :)
[18:18] <alankila> Amaranth: yes... well, I guess I can't argue against that. I have relatively decent experience with radeonhd after all.
[18:19] <shadeslayer> i think the nvidia and ati opensource driver should come pre installed on the CD....
[18:19] <Amaranth> RS690 is a bit weird thought since they shoved an older model 3D engine in to try to save power
[18:19] <dell_> Hello all, I am trying to create an xorg.conf file in karmic does anyone know the command?
[18:19] <Amaranth> Xorg -configure
[18:19] <Amaranth> I'm going to have to talk to that guy when he comes back
[18:19] <nemo> what's that gibberish do?
[18:19] <nemo> the rest just seems like a lame meme
[18:19] <shadeslayer> dell_: or something like : sudo nvidia-xconfig --composite : works as well on nvidia cards
[18:20] <Amaranth> nemo: Makes every AV program on windows delete the file you save it to
[18:20] <nalioth> nemo: google "test virus" or something like that
[18:20] <Amaranth> nemo: so I hope you don't save it in your IRC config...
[18:20] <nemo> Amaranth: oh. lovely.
[18:20] <nemo> Amaranth: heh. 1) I'd have to run windows
[18:20] <nemo> 2) I'd have to have AV :)
[18:20] <nemo> my one lonely windows machine has no AV
[18:20] <billybigrigger> since when was ubuntu install media a dvd?
[18:20] <nemo> I just scan it from the dual boot periodically
[18:20] <billybigrigger> this must be new for 9.10 beta
[18:21] <Amaranth> Also if I see that in your quit message I'll banforward you to #ubuntu-ops for a chat :)
[18:21] <Amaranth> billybigrigger: there are still CDs too
[18:21] <dell_> kdesudo Xorg -configure gives a cannot connect to x server error
[18:21] <TheInfinity> billybigrigger: you can choose if you want cd or dvd
[18:21] <shadeslayer> hehe....
[18:21] <TheInfinity> like always
[18:21] <billybigrigger> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/beta/
[18:21] <billybigrigger> don't see any for the karmic beta
[18:21] <billybigrigger> daily cd's
[18:21] <Amaranth> billybigrigger: http://releases.ubuntu.com/jaunty/
[18:22] <shadeslayer> dell_: how about reconfiguring the package itself?
[18:22] <Cynthia> s/jaunty/karmic/
[18:22] <Amaranth> billybigrigger: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[18:22] <billybigrigger> ya couldn't get dailies to work
[18:22] <shadeslayer> that way you get a working xorg
[18:22] <Amaranth> dell_: you have to do it when X isn't running
[18:22] <billybigrigger> atleast not 1009
[18:22] <billybigrigger> didn't try 1008
[18:23] <dell_> let me terminate x and try it with out x running
[18:23] <dell_> i just reconfigured cause i messed up this xorg file
[18:23] <dell_> it doesnt have touch screen support
[18:24] <dell_> i have the file that i need to place in the xorg.conf file issue is there is no file in existance in karmic
[18:25] <dell_> closing x didnt help
[18:25] <Cynthia> someone in another channel points out that the EICAR standard antivirus test file would also delete logs for everyone having an antivirus
[18:28] <alankila> I wonder if the GTK+ update coupled with nspluginwrapper is the reason why I couldn't click on buttons inside flashplayer
[18:28] <alankila> it works when eliminating nspluginwrapper by using 64-bit flash directly, which really does seem to work as some people here claimed it would
[18:29] <alankila> because I saw that eclipse issue where you could no longer click on buttons in many gtk+ dialogs, and that's relatively similar to trying to click a button in flash and not have it actually do anything
[18:32] <Amaranth> alankila: The bug with GTK+ was that you couldn't click a button twice without moving your mouse out of the button and back in
[18:32] <Amaranth> alankila: and it's already fixed
[18:33] <shadeslayer> um... isnt !symlink supposed to tell me how to create a symlink?
[18:33] <shadeslayer> instead we have
[18:33] <shadeslayer> !symlink
[18:34] <wastrel> ln -s target link-name
[18:34] <DopeGhoti> it's a demonstration- !symlink is a soft link to !terminal :)
[18:35] <shadeslayer> DopeGhoti: hehe
[18:36] <alankila> Amaranth: hm, I'm half sure that that isn't quite matchin the symptoms I had with eclipse and flash
[18:36] <mewshi> hey everyone :)
[18:36] <mewshi> I need some help getting my wireless working again >.<
[18:36] <alankila> there seemed to be almost no amount of moving the mouse and clicking that would allow me to dismiss a dialog, but using the keyboard shortcuts worked
[18:36] <rsk> all my VT's went blank, known problem?
[18:37] <Amaranth> alankila: the flash part is known at least, don't know of a fix though
[18:37] <alankila> the eclipse problem is also fixed. I've previously hit the problem that GTK+ buttons don't work if you move the mouse in and out of them, but I recall that bug (which was very old) was fixed a year ago or so
[18:37] <mewshi> oh wait never mind X
[18:38] <mewshi> I got the wireless working.  I think.
[18:38] <alankila> I mean, they don't work unless you move the mouse in and out of them
[18:38] <Amaranth> right, if a button if mapped under your mouse you had to move out of it and back in before it would respond to a click
[18:38] <Amaranth> that was fixed about 9 months ago, iirc
[18:39] <alankila> yes, and the fix was some kind of hair-raising trickery, I recall there were many insanely subtle issues to it which I no longer can comprehend. I mean, on its face, it looks like a bloody trivial problem, but it had something to do with the events and how they were supposed to work, or something...
[18:40] <DopeGhoti> if I had to guess, something about not seeing the pointer move into/onto the widget if it appears wtih the pointer already wtihin it.
[18:40] <alankila> I never did get that very well. The few times I've written code against GTK+ I've determined that the toolkit is insanely fragile. :-(
[18:41] <mewshi> I have a mouse problem, if anyone can help.  Well, more specifically, a touchpad.
[18:41] <mewshi> Well, two problems, actually.
[18:41] <DopeGhoti> mewshi: you'll have to be a tad more specific about the problem(s)
[18:41] <alankila> you make a new object, sometimes you have to materialize it before you can call a method on it, sometimes you can't do it even after you materialized it, then there's all the typecasting crap which removes all benefit from compile-time typesystem, etc. Argh.
[18:42] <mewshi> First off, the right- and left-handed buttons in the mouse configuration do nothing.  I prefer to have my right touchpad button be my left click (I'm left handed, so it works quite nicely)
[18:42] <mewshi> In 9.04, this worked perfectly, but the upgrade broke it.
[18:44] <mewshi> Any ideas?
[18:45] <nemo> alankila: hm. my eclipse buttons aren't working in eclipse either.
[18:45] <nemo> I've had to use keyboard
[18:45] <nemo> sorta got used to it
[18:45] <nemo> nice to see it was fixed
[18:46] <mewshi> anyone know how to fix my touchpad issue?
[18:46] <shadeslayer> mewshi: whats the issue?
[18:46] <mewshi> First off, the right- and left-handed buttons in the mouse configuration do nothing.  I prefer to have my right touchpad button be my left click (I'm left handed, so it works quite nicely)
[18:46] <shadeslayer> mewshi: ok,what DE ?
[18:47] <alankila> nemo: yeh, it's the gtk+ client side windows that's the problem, it doesn't cooperate with SWT somehow
[18:47] <mewshi> Netbook
[18:47] <alankila> but it's been fixed, the only problem is that I'll probably not seen the fix until eclipse 3.5.2 unless the packaged karmic 3.5.1 is otherwise fixed
[18:47] <nemo> alankila: mm. I'm still on ppa eclipse - packaged one is behaving better?
[18:47] <alankila> hmm, or maybe they can workaround the problem in gtk+. See, I'm not quite sure if the fix applied to swt or gtk+
[18:48] <alankila> no, the packaged one's java content assist is fubar
[18:48] <nemo> officially packaged I mean
[18:48] <nemo> ah
[18:48] <mewshi> So, I guess it's using gnome's mouse configuration tool
[18:48] <shadeslayer> mewshi: no i meant like KDE or GNOME,also whats the make of the touch pad?
[18:49] <nemo> alankila: wait, if it is an swt or gtk problem, why would you have to wait for 3.5.2 instead of an update of those libraries?
[18:49] <mewshi> Yeah, it's the Netbook remix desktop, so I guess it's using GNOME underpinnings?
[18:49] <mewshi> and it's a synaptics touchpad
[18:49] <shadeslayer> mewshi: yayy... install gsynaptic
[18:50] <shadeslayer> !info gsynaptic
[18:50] <duffydack> karmic is really nice on UNR....im impressed.  pity it s*cks for my laptops sound tho...
[18:50] <kklimonda> have anyone tried 9.10 on 1Ghz + 512 ram?
[18:50] <shadeslayer> !info gsynaptics
[18:50] <wastrel> what's unr
[18:51] <shadeslayer> mewshi: see above :-)
[18:51] <Cynthia> 13:48:17  alankila no, the packaged one's java content assist is fubar | I'm running the packaged Eclipse and its content assist is fine. What do you mean by content assist anyway, autocomplete for type names, for variable names or the Ctrl+Space in Add Class?
[18:51] <legend2440> latest update included upgrade from usplash 5.4.0 to usplash 5.4.1. this upgrade causes my  ctrl+alt + F1 - F6 tty to stop working. no login prompt. anyone else notice this?
[18:51] <alankila> Cynthia: when I tried to use ctrl+space to show me classes from some jar files I had in my dynamic web project, none could be found. It only found the classes from the rt.jar, it seems.
[18:52] <mewshi> ok
[18:52] <mewshi> be right back
[18:52] <dtchen> legend2440: confirmed; i have some pretty horrible garble on tty1-6
[18:52] <Cynthia> alankila: mm, well I just deal with local app projects, so the dependency options are going to be just fine
[18:53] <alankila> so instead of org.apache.wicket.markup.html.form.TextField all I got was some swing or awt TextField. It was like this, yet at the same time the code compiled just fine, so clearly the jar was found at that stage
[18:53] <dtchen> legend2440: then again, i have not confirmed whether it's reproducible using nv instead of the non-Free Nvidia driver
[18:53] <Cynthia> legend2440: I can't confirm the tty problem on Intel i915
[18:53] <legend2440> dtchen: yes mine looks like blue  Chinese letters and no login prompt
[18:53] <Cynthia> I see "Ubuntu karmic (development branch) jolteon tty1" then "jolteon login:"
[18:53] <alankila> additionally there was a warning about nonfunctional content assist options and a suggestion I should review them when I started the karmic eclipse 3.5.1 for the first time against the workspace
[18:54] <duffydack> 1 bug ive found only in karmic with FF 3.5 and not 9.04 with FF 3.5.  If I remove the navigation bar and add the icons to the right of the FF menu (to make more use of space, I even do it on my 17" screen too..) when starting FF it gets an error to do with toolbar.xml
[18:54] <alankila> so *something* was clearly different. Unfortunately I did not pay that much attention to that message because it seemed like the content assist worked but I didn't happen to try the custom jars
[18:54] <legend2440> dtchen: i also have nvidia using driver 185
[18:56] <dtchen> legend2440: right, hence i'm not sure how much of it has to do with the non-Free component
[18:58] <mewshi> hi :)
[18:58] <billybigrigger> anyone aware of a good nvidia vdpau tutorial?
[18:58] <shadeslayer> mewshi: wb
[18:58] <billybigrigger> or does any players even support it yet?
[18:58] <shadeslayer> mewshi: btw did you also try gnomes mouse config utility?
[18:58] <RussellAlan> Well that was fun, I botted into 9.10 and had two options, I went with the one with -12, Mouse still bounces around like crazy,
[18:59] <mewshi> Ok... well, gsynaptics fixed my second issue (mouse pointer going waaaaaaaay too fast (even though the GNOME configuration tool had it to the minimum)  and yes, I tried that XD
[18:59] <RussellAlan> I rebooted... into -11 ANnd had a normal mouse for a second, then it dissapeared
[18:59] <mewshi> Ok now I'm having another issue >.<
[18:59] <shadeslayer> mewshi: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[18:59] <Amaranth> nemo: btw, hedgewars works great here
[19:00] <shadeslayer> mewshi: shoot!
[19:00] <mewshi> The y-axis goes SIGNIFICANTLY faster than the x-axis on the touchpad >.<
[19:01] <mewshi> I think it's due to the smaller size of the y-axis compared to a normal touchpad
[19:01] <shadeslayer> mewshi: scrolling?
[19:01] <mewshi> no
[19:01] <mewshi> moving the pointer up and down goes a lot faster than moving it left and right
[19:01] <shadeslayer> mewshi: oh.. ok,just see the link i sent you,it should troubleshoot everything hopefully
[19:01] <mewshi> Ok
[19:03] <mewshi> that does nothing to help me >.<
[19:03] <mewshi> I've tried using gsynaptics, and that doesn't help matters :(
[19:06] <mewshi> any other ideas?
[19:06] <shadeslayer> mewshi: google?
[19:07] <mewshi> what should I google for?
[19:08] <alankila> By the way, what is ubuntu's share of desktop systems in the linux landscape these days?
[19:08] <alankila> Does anyone know what percentage of linux systems used for desktop are running ubuntu?
[19:09] <SKB> hello, does anyone know with what arguments dbus is compiled? I seem to have some sort of policy issues :\
[19:09] <thiebaude> alankila, its the #1 distro, but i dont know the other percentages
[19:09] <kavurt> hi, what package should I install to be able to watch this stream: http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html ?
[19:09] <joaopinto> alankila, there is no data to determine that
[19:10] <DopeGhoti> Is there a CLI client for UbuntuOne, or jus tthe GNOME one for now?
[19:10] <alankila> yes, unfortunately it's very hard to say how the distros are doing, but that being said, someone got to have a rough idea
[19:10] <jdfoote1> I have had this weird problem with OpenOffice - in Jaunty and Karmic, OpenOffice looks like it isn't using GNOME - it's this grayish windows manager. Has anyone else ever seen this, or know how to fix it?
[19:11] <joaopinto> alankila, without data, is just a guess
[19:11] <thiebaude> alankila, i've seen some data linux is about 1%
[19:11] <alankila> thiebaude: no, not that... within linux systems
[19:12] <thiebaude> alankila, ahh, ok a breakdown of which distros and percentages
[19:12] <alankila> Something like this is the best I can find at the time being: http://blog.gpowered.net/2007/10/linux-distro-popularity-according-to.html
[19:12] <shadeslayer> mewshi: synaptics touchpad+problem+ubuntu
[19:13] <joaopinto> alankila, which is not related to desktop usage :)
[19:13] <alankila> indeed not
[19:13] <nemo> Amaranth: what's the system specs, do they differ from alankila and I?
[19:13] <thiebaude> alankila, i dont question those results
[19:13] <nemo> Amaranth: somehow it doesn't surprise me it works great for you :)
[19:13] <nemo> Amaranth: if pulseaudio *didn't* work great for all the devs, they would never have shoved it on the rest of us
[19:14] <yoasif> anyone having trouble starting firefox?
[19:14] <Amaranth> nemo: intel graphics, MacBook4,1
[19:14] <yoasif> im getting a segfault
[19:14] <SKB> in which channel i should ask dbus compilation related questions?
[19:14] <Amaranth> yoasif: firefox from ubuntu or from mozilla?
[19:14] <yoasif> Amaranth, ubuntu
[19:14] <Martyn> Terminals broken in latest update.. darnit
[19:14] <Amaranth> no idea then
[19:14] <Amaranth> nemo: how do you change weapons? :)
[19:15] <yoasif> firefox:
[19:15] <yoasif>   Installed: 3.5.3+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu3
[19:15] <joaopinto> what are you testing ?
[19:16] <Amaranth> nemo: only about 50% CPU usage between compiz, Xorg, hedgewars, and pulseaudio too
[19:16] <shadeslayer> SKB: #kubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-devel might be able to answer but ask here first and if no one answers then go there
[19:16] <SKB> no one answered  here :|
[19:16] <SKB> i'll try ubuntu-devel, ty
[19:17] <shadeslayer> SKB: the only problem with those channels is that youll have to wait for a long time for a answer.....
[19:17] <shadeslayer> people are usually busy with other work
[19:17] <SKB> everyone's busy hehe
[19:17] <Amaranth> no no, not those channels
[19:17] <Amaranth> If you're having trouble compiling a dbus package you want #ubuntu-motu
[19:18] <SKB> oh
[19:18] <Amaranth> If you're doing something else you want #dbus, if it exists
[19:18] <shadeslayer> Amaranth: um,isnt motu for packaging?
[19:18] <joaopinto> actually if you are just compiling, you may be on the proper channel, please pastebin the error
[19:18] <Amaranth> shadeslayer: And ubuntu-devel is for development _of_ ubuntu, not development _on_ ubuntu
[19:18] <joaopinto> since it maybe a trivial compiling question
[19:18] <shadeslayer> Amaranth: thats why i said to ask here first....
[19:18] <SKB> after compilation i get some sort of policy problems
[19:19] <mewshi> google turns up nothing :(
[19:19] <joaopinto> SKB, after ? you mean it compiles fine ?
[19:19] <SKB> so i am wondering whether something else should be enable or something
[19:19] <SKB> yes it compiles fine
[19:19] <joaopinto> so it's not a compilation problem after all :)
[19:19] <joaopinto> SKB, what are you compiling ?
[19:19] <SKB> dbus
[19:20] <joaopinto> SKB, and why are you compiling dbus ?
[19:20] <shadeslayer> mewshi: http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=synaptic+touchpad+in+ubuntu&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=
[19:20] <SKB> because my system was borked (and still is)
[19:20] <joaopinto> SKB, and how do you expect to fix it by recompiling dbus ?
[19:21] <shadeslayer> mewshi: this looks good : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=493758
[19:21] <joaopinto> SKB, have you filed a bug report about your problem ?
[19:21] <SKB> not a bug, my own fault :|
[19:22] <mewshi> that requires xorg.conf changes >.>  I thought xorg.conf is... pointless now?
[19:22] <shadeslayer> mewshi: why? xorg is not pointless....
[19:22] <mewshi> the .conf file doesn't have anything in it anymore.  Or did that change finally?
[19:23] <shadeslayer> mewshi: um.... it does have alot of stuff..... last time i checked
[19:23] <mewshi> just add the section listed?
[19:23] <Pici> Its not required for xorg to run, but it will use it if it exists.
[19:23] <evilaim> There, nice and not sleepy:)
[19:23] <mewshi> ah, ok
[19:24] <shadeslayer> mewshi: so basically follow the ubuntuforums howto
[19:25] <shadeslayer> mewshi: before doing anything back the xorg up ;)
[19:28] <evilaim> God I love cheese
[19:31] <CyberZet> !offtopic evilaim
[19:31] <shadeslayer> CyberZet: you need a pipe | in between
[19:32] <luka> guys is there any app in the ubuntu repos to create a live dvd or usb image from my current system besides remastersys?
[19:32] <shadeslayer> luka: usb-creator
[19:33] <shadeslayer> !info usb-creator
[19:34] <Hadi> hello
[19:34] <Hadi> can i update my ubuntu 9.04 to 9.10 ?
[19:34] <moflea> hi
[19:34] <Frickelpit> Hadi: yes
[19:35] <luka> shadeslayer: nope thats not what im looking, i want to make an .iso of my current system...
[19:35] <Hadi> how
[19:35] <joaopinto> Hadi, you understand that is still beta right ?
[19:35] <Hadi> yes
[19:35] <Hadi> i mean till it released
[19:35] <Hadi> can i press update
[19:35] <Hadi> and it changes to 9.10 ?
[19:35] <joaopinto> luka, you current system is unlikely to fit on a cd or dvd
[19:35] <moflea> can i update my ubuntu 9.0.4 to 9.10 using a iso file ?
[19:35] <joaopinto> moflea, only if it's from the alternate cd
[19:35] <joaopinto> and you mean 9.04
[19:36] <Frickelpit> Hadi: you will get a notification from your System
[19:36] <shadeslayer> luka: ah.... what about dd? dd if=/dev/sd* of=/path/to/iso
[19:36] <joaopinto> Hadi, 9.10 is not released yet, it's beta
[19:36] <Hadi> ok
[19:36] <Hadi> thank u;D
[19:36] <Hadi> how it looks:P
[19:36] <Hadi> im wondering
[19:36] <Hadi> hehe
[19:36] <Hadi> <3 cyasoon
[19:36] <Hadi> bye
[19:36] <joaopinto> shadeslayer, that is not an iso, that is only an iso when performed with a CD as a source
[19:36] <luka> joaopinto: i used to use remastersys to do this... its totally possible.... i just want to make a backup of my system... record it to any dvd and boot from there
[19:36] <rsk> Hadi: the new theme is all over the net
[19:36] <Berzerker-> to update just hit alt+f2 and type update-manager -d and it will ask you to upgrade
[19:36] <luka> shadeslayer: that iso wont boot
[19:37] <shadeslayer> luka: you want a iso of the system that boots?
[19:37] <shadeslayer> wow.....
[19:37] <CyberZet> :)
[19:37] <moflea> ok ty
[19:37] <moflea> joaopinto
[19:38] <luka> shadeslayer: yes... like remastersyss does, but its not currently supported by 9.10
[19:38] <joaopinto> luka, I am not aware of such a tool :\
[19:38] <metropolis> This is sort of a stupid question, but if I try karmic on my machine, and something breaks (say, suspend-to-ram), is that the sort of thing that (if I filed a bug and the fix were easy) might still make it into the release?
[19:38] <luka> ok... ill keep searching
[19:38] <joaopinto> metropolis, very unlikely, that is not critical, unless you have an easy fix :)
[19:39] <metropolis> joaopinto: that's not critical?
[19:39] <billybigrigger> hey all
[19:39] <thiebaude> billybigrigger, hey
[19:39] <billybigrigger> has anyone here done a fresh install from the ubuntu beta dvd?
[19:40] <Berzerker-> metropolis, if it's a critical fix, it will most likely be fixed for the release, otherwise, probably not.
[19:40] <billybigrigger> nice interface, but seems slow, and the %80 bug while scanning the apt mirror still plagues the install :( and takes about 10 minutes at the end to remove a ton of fonts?
[19:41] <billybigrigger> i thought after 2 years that "Scanning APT Mirror" bug would be squashed by now :P
[19:41] <Berzerker-> billybigrigger, didn't happen to me on either my netbook install or my rig install.
[19:41] <billybigrigger> DVD install?
[19:41] <mamr> hi, how to find out if the radeon or the radeonhd driver is used on my machine using the terminal (i don't have a xorg.conf)?
[19:41] <metropolis> Berzerker : okay, just trying to figure out if punting work now to try and test out karmic (and suffer / report bugs) is worth it :)
[19:42] <shadeslayer> mamr: lsmod
[19:42] <Berzerker-> metropolis, I think installing karmic just to use it over jaunty is worth it.
[19:42] <mamr> thanks
[19:42] <joaopinto>  bn bb
[19:42] <metropolis> Berzerker: okay, good point -- maybe I'll get my fiancee to do the same and we can see if the new empathy video chat actually works
[19:42] <serzholino> anyone has problems with bluetooth in karmic? Dongle after plug is in hidden mode
[19:43] <mewshi> ok
[19:43] <mewshi> there is nothing anywhere about changing the y-axis behavior :(
[19:43] <serzholino> i kebluetooth change to discoberable, then ok, but it is still hidden
[19:43] <Berzerker-> metropolis, I personally stuck with pidgin.
[19:43] <shadeslayer> mewshi: its in editing the values for xorg,just adjust them to your needs
[19:43] <Berzerker-> metropolis, the new pidgin has integrated voice/video support, haven't tried it though.
[19:44] <billybigrigger> need a working webcam in karmic for that :P
[19:44] <billybigrigger> stupid new kernels haha
[19:44] <joaopinto> metropolis, suspend is not a critical function at all
[19:44] <joaopinto> metropolis, it doesn't prevent you to use a system in anyway
[19:45] <Berzerker-> everything on both computers work OTB
[19:45] <shadeslayer> metropolis: plus were in a freeze,only critical bugs can be fixed
[19:45] <billybigrigger> my webcam hasn't worked all through karmic cycle :(
[19:45] <billybigrigger> works ootb in jaunty though
[19:46] <mewshi> shadeslayer, there is no option for adjusting the y-axis behavior >.<
[19:47] <shadeslayer> mewshi: ill pastebin my xorg... just compare the values and see if they work
[19:48] <mewshi> I just need to scale the y-axis by 0.6 or so >.<
[19:48] <shadeslayer> mewshi: http://pastebin.ca/1607771
[19:49] <FiReSTaRT> hi.. i wanted to ask for some clarification about karmic.. it will be switching to devicekit-power from hal.. does that mean that the suspend function will be completely different than in the previous releases?
[19:49] <FiReSTaRT> or is devicekit-power just for monitoring
[19:50] <mewshi> shadeslayer, it's a touchpad, not a mouse.  There's nothing there about a touchpad that I can see >><
[19:50] <shadeslayer> mewshi: the mouse part *is* the touchpad
[19:51] <mewshi> well, there's nothing there about changing the y-axis behavior :(
[19:51] <kl87> hey i have both gnome and kde im running karmic and when in gnome i have sound wheen in kde i have no sound..idk whats wrong
[19:51] <shadeslayer> mewshi: well try reducing the sensitivity or something,just keep tweaking all the values,gtg as of now
[19:52] <kl87> anyone ever have this happen
[19:52] <mewshi> I can't reduce the sensitivity, it will also change the x-axis
[19:52] <shadeslayer> kl87: try switching the KDE backend to gstreamer..
[19:52] <kl87> shadeslayer: how do i do that
[19:53] <shadeslayer> kl87: K > System Settings > Multimedia > Backend
[19:53] <shadeslayer> kl87: also in kmix select all the channels and set them to high
[19:54] <shadeslayer> anyways like i said... gtg
[19:54] <shadeslayer> bye all
[19:55] <kl87> i only have xine for a back end option no gstreamer
[19:55] <athe> Oy. "Upgrading" from 9.10 beta to final is nothing but update && upgrade, correct?
[19:55] <Machtin> well.. dist-upgrade
[19:57] <yofel> kl87: maybe pulseaudio get's in the way, can you [install and] run 'padevchooser' and check if anything is muten in 'Volume Control'?
[19:58] <kl87> ok
[19:58] <yofel> s/muten/muted
[20:00] <kl87> padevchooser i installed it but cant seem to find it in my applications
[20:01] <yofel> kl87: search for 'Device Chooser'
[20:01] <athe> Machtin: you're positive it's dist-upgrade, as opposed to upgrade?
[20:02] <mbeierl> what happened to the "git-clone" command.  It's not found nor is any package suggested for it
[20:02] <Machtin> afaik upgrade doesn't upgrade kernel etc.
[20:02] <yofel> athe: if any packages are replaced until the release, upgrade won't install them, dist-upgrade will
[20:02] <yofel> Machtin: it does
[20:02] <kl87> it doesnt seem to start up
[20:03] <yofel> kl87: it's an applet, you'll find it in the systray
[20:03] <Machtin> kay then, sorry
[20:03] <kl87> oo im sry found it
[20:04] <kl87> ok so what in there am i looking for
[20:04] <athe> yofel: thanks. you don't suppose there's a good chance of dist-upgrade breaking stuff in that scenario?
[20:05] <mbeierl> oh.  git-clone is put into /usr/lib/git-core/git-clone, not into a path, and command-not-found does not suggest any package for it
[20:05] <yofel> athe: it *should* not, if you want, you could use 'sudo aptitude full-upgrade' instead of dist-upgrade. Aptitude has a more advanced dependency resolver (doesn't break things as often)
[20:05] <mewshi> what the hell >.<  Why is there no solution to this problem? :(
[20:06] <yofel> kl87: open the 'Volume Control' Menu and check if you find any output devices muted. That's what happened to me after I installed kde.
[20:07] <kl87> wow thats the same problem i had
[20:07] <kl87> thats really weird
[20:07] <kl87> thanks for the help now i just gotta get used to kde
[20:08] <yofel> kl87: np
[20:21] <mauri> is there a program for kubuntu in order to resize ntfs partitons (gparted and partition manager don't work)
[20:30] <kl87> is there any reason i should be getting errors about my tmp file when install plasmoids
[20:35] <tavasti> in my xubuntu 9.04 if I clicked URL on irc or skype, it opened in firefox, and firefox stayed in it's place, but now in Karmic Firefox comes to same desktop as the program which is calling it. How to get behaviour I had before?
[20:38] <darkham> wasn't banshee the new default audio player?
[20:41] <tavasti> answer to my question is: window manager tweaks - focus - wehen window raises itself
[20:42] <webbb82> i just did a system update and i got this daemon error The connection to the daemon was lost. Most likely the background daemon crashed
[20:43] <Cynthia> webbb82: was it 5 minutes after you were done with updates, yet leaving the Update Manager open? that has happened to me under those circumstances
[20:43] <ectropy> I love karmic, and notice a significant increase in performance. Keep up the good work, guys
[20:43] <webbb82> i think i ran the update and wasnt looking at it so maybe
[20:44] <webbb82> it said task cannot be monitored or controlled
[20:44] <Cynthia> webbb82: that's the same thing I had, yes
[20:44] <webbb82> but my updater is still open and running the update
[20:47] <Cynthia> webbb82: is this either of bugs 441686, 438797?
[20:49] <darkham> wasn't banshee the new default audio player?
[20:50] <Cynthia> darkham: No, but Empathy is the new default IM application
[20:50] <Amaranth> darkham: nope, banshee never made a stable release
[20:50] <Cynthia> Totem is still default
[20:50] <darkham> rockbox
[20:50] <darkham> ehm rythmbox
[20:51] <mbeierl1> Anyone else getting suspend immediately after resume recently?
[20:51] <webbb82> ya that does look like what i got
[20:51] <Cynthia> darkham: yes, you can launch audio CDs in Rhythmbox still, although that's quite buggy
[20:52] <Cynthia> which leads me to a bug I was going to check up on and file: Rhythmbox can't play anything here (amd64), it just says something about a timeout
[20:52] <legend2440> since larest kernel update everytime i reboot karmic i get "Running DKMS auto installation service for kernel 2.6.31-13-generic". it has to do with my Nvidia card. any one else noticed this?
[20:52] <legend2440> *latest
[20:53] <mbeierl1> legend2440: just got that - but have not rebooted again since
[20:53] <legend2440> mbeierl1: ok
[20:53] <Cynthia> ah, rhythmbox works now, never mind
[20:54] <mbeierl1> Is there a reported bug against battery charge state that shows battery at 50% when there's only 1 battery in a dual battery capable laptop?
[20:55] <legend2440> mbeierl1: another thing is that since latest usplash upgrade from 540 to 541  my alt+ctrl+F1 -F6 stopped working. no login prompt. have you noticed that? it seem to effect nvidia users
[20:56] <webbb82> was there a update that i just did that could have caused this crash?
[20:56] <mbeierl1> legend2440: good catch!  No I had not gone console via F1 yet.  It appears as though the display mode is preventing the login prompt from showing up
[20:56] <webbb82> i didnt do it yesterday
[20:57] <legend2440> mbeierl1: so your tty's are borked too?
[20:57] <mbeierl1> yes
[20:57] <mbeierl1> legend2440: ^
[20:59] <legend2440> mbeierl1: ok. well to fix that tty problem i edited the /etc/default/grub file. removed the word  "splash" then saved the file then did a sudo update-grub and the tty's are working again
[21:00] <mbeierl1> legend2440: yep, that would do it.  The splash is putting the card into a mode where it cannot display anything, thereby rendering the ttys invisible.
[21:02] <yoritomo> hello all
[21:03] <yoritomo> i experience problems with a AC97 soundcard, everything on maximum, but the volume still very low on ekiga, skype, video and everything
[21:04] <yoritomo> i had low sound already under previous versions but especially on karmic too terrible
[21:04] <yoritomo> what to do where does comes the problem?
[21:04] <yoritomo> Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60)
[21:05] <Cynthia> yoritomo: are you on gnome, kde or xfce?
[21:06] <yoritomo> Gnome
[21:07] <yoritomo> hardy and jaunty, everything on maximum that as still not powerful already
[21:07] <Cynthia> system/preferences/sound, check that the volume for applications in the Applications tab is all the way to the right
[21:08] <Cynthia> those only appear while applications are actively playing sounds; I imagine the global volume and the volume in the Effects tab are 100% already per what you said
[21:11] <yoritomo> Cynthia, thanks, i launched a video on firefox, and i can notice firefox is 100% volume
[21:13] <Cynthia> yoritomo: hmm
[21:13] <yoritomo> in system/preferences/sound
[21:14] <Cynthia> yoritomo: run alsamixer in a terminal, and check that Master is indeed at 100%; here it's at 52
[21:15] <Cynthia> despite the gnome preferences saying that my output volume is at 40... setting it to 100 in alsamixer makes it higher
[21:15] <yoritomo> Cynthia, what command to type on terminal ?
[21:16] <Cynthia> yoritomo: alsamixer [Enter]
[21:16] <Cynthia> raise the volume for Master with [Up]
[21:16] <Cynthia> you can also select different volume controls within alsamixer with [Left] and [Right]
[21:18] <yoritomo> i have master, master m and  master s , only master is 100% both other on 0%
[21:19] <lfaraone> Why is it that things like setting CPU frequency scaling no longer have a "remember my authorization" checkbox?
[21:19] <lfaraone> *the authentication dialog for changing
[21:21] <evilaim> Ya, Grub 3 is gimped
[21:22] <MichRT> Hello. Anybody home?
[21:22] <nemo> Amaranth: hey. sorry. work stuff :)
[21:22] <nemo> Amaranth: WRT changing weapons. right click or F1-F9
[21:22] <Martyn> 2009-10-09 15:21:35,560 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.ActionQueue - ERROR - OAuth failed: Authentication Failed
[21:22] <nemo> Amaranth: unless you remapped your team keys
[21:23] <evilaim> Ok, I know this is a pretty easy question, and I'm fully able to do it...
[21:23] <MichRT> Anyone know how to switch GRUB Beta 3 back to Legacy? Clean installed Karmic
[21:23] <evilaim> but... What is the best Flash player to install?"
[21:23] <evilaim> I'm getting my butt kicked by 3 different ones
[21:23] <MichRT> evilaim: Flash 10
[21:24] <evilaim> flashplugin-nonfree?
[21:24] <MichRT> don't use the open fwlash
[21:24] <MichRT> Yah, non-free
[21:24] <evilaim> ?
[21:24] <evilaim> don't use it or use it?
[21:24] <MichRT> Use flashplugin-nonfree
[21:24] <yoritomo> Cynthia, looks like everythink maximum and still same anyway
[21:24] <evilaim> kk
[21:24] <Cynthia> evilaim: MichRT is saying not to use Gnash (free) and to use flashplugin-installer (non-free)
[21:24] <Cynthia> it has several aliases for package names
[21:25] <MichRT> Right. thanx cynthia
[21:25] <MichRT> Gotta go. Back in a bit.
[21:25] <Cynthia> There's an alpha version of Flash 10 from Adobe Labs, if you use 64-bit Ubuntu
[21:26] <Cynthia> you take the file they give you and put it in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ as root or sudo
[21:26] <nemo> Cynthia: hm. still alpha? I thought they were up to beta
[21:26] <nemo> Cynthia: and he can install it in his profile too :)
[21:26] <nemo> ~/.mozilla/plugins
[21:26] <Cynthia> nemo: true
[21:28] <Cynthia> diff is to patch as debdiff is to... debpatch? is there such a utility?
[21:29] <Cynthia> ah, never mind, command-not-found says it's in the package debdelta
[21:31] <evilaim> Awe, ghetto
[21:31] <evilaim> hulu == .us only
[21:31] <shoss> Hello, I have a problem of limited/slow wifi download speed on ubuntu karmic (intel wireless pro wifi card) does anyone know how to solve this?
[21:32] <Cynthia> evilaim: yeah
[21:32] <evilaim> I wonder if I can bypass that
[21:32] <shoss> also, the compiz-fusion doesn't seem to like the karmic at all, i had to disable it
[21:34] <evilaim> hmmm
[21:35] <evilaim> That's ghetto...
[21:36] <yoritomo> Cynthia i was checking some page on the net but i don't find much informations about my problems
[21:37] <evilaim> damnit
[21:38] <evilaim> hulu works MINT on my machine, other then the fact I can't watch shit
[21:38] <Cynthia> yoritomo: it seems like alsamixer's volume is just a linear version of the logarithmic volume shown in the gnome sound preferences, or something
[21:38] <evilaim> -language
[21:38] <Cynthia> setting the volume to 97 in alsamixer gives me a sound preferences volume of 90
[21:38] <Cynthia> however, can you not set it above 100% in sound preferences? I see the slider has a 100% about the two-thirds of it
[21:41] <yoritomo> it is 100%
[21:42] <ectropy> Hmmm... wasn't there a new pulseaudio system-wide EQ a while ago?
[21:42] <yoritomo> i don't know if i can install a proprietary driver for it
[21:43] <ectropy> dunno how much it will like Karmic
[21:43] <yoritomo> when i run the same video on windows i jump on my seat :
[21:43] <evilaim> hmmm
[21:43] <ectropy> And last I checked it had to run all the time, sapping CPU, instead of only running when audio is about
[21:44] <jasonlife> I'm testing Ubuntu 9.10 and it has gdm 2.28.  How can I specify my customer X server to start from gdm.  I can't find such an option to specify X server.. (different path)
[21:46] <ectropy> yoritomo: try #alsa
[21:47] <ectropy> yoritomo: Although I remember they weren't much help when I had the same problem. But your sound card is likeley different, so they may be able to help
[21:47] <ectropy> yoritomo: I never got my issue resolved.
[21:47] <yoritomo> where to change it?
[21:48] <ectropy> yoritomo: and in fact, if I remember correcly, the pulseaudio eq was broken from jaunty onward because it lacks a lib or two.
[21:48] <ectropy> was/is
[21:49] <yoritomo> looks like a general problem then?
[21:52] <hbbs> Hi, I've just updated my karmic install now and apparently the super key + R shortcut was removed from compiz. Can anyone eles confirm this?
[21:56] <hbbs> I hope this would turn out to be some kind of mistake, because one should be able to zoom in/ou a window on Ubuntu just using keyboad shortcuts.
[21:59] <test34> I didnt do todays updates, but the shortcut works for me... I'm updating now
[22:00] <test34> but it doesnt work all the time
[22:01] <billybigrigger> anyone here familiar with nvidia vdpau?
[22:01] <webbb82> hey i just ran a apt-get dist-upgrade and my computer crashed whats the command to get it fixed apt-get -f install?
[22:02] <yofel> webbb82: do you mean 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' ?
[22:02] <webbb82> ya  i think what will that command do?  is there a good cheat sheet for this command
[22:02] <webbb82> and ones like it
[22:03] <alankila> man pages
[22:03] <alankila> well, you only have to know a couple of them: apt-get, dpkg, mostly
[22:03] <alankila> I can't really think of other packaging-related commands I execute regularly save from debfoster but that's not something people normally need
[22:04] <webbb82> what will sudo dpkg --configure -a do
[22:04] <evilaim> Ugh, I can't wait for hulu to be launched for Canada
[22:04] <alankila> read the manual.
[22:04] <evilaim> That'll be a great day:)
[22:05] <yofel> webbb82: configure all packages that weren't yet configured because the installation/upgrade was aborted
[22:05] <webbb82> nothing happened when i di the command
[22:06] <yofel> webbb82: ok, then nothing needed to be done, do you still get errors?
[22:06] <webbb82> im running upgrade rite now ill see
[22:06]  * alankila thinks apt-get should just run dpkg --configure -a if it needs to be run.
[22:07] <yofel> heh, would indeed be nice..
[22:07] <alankila> I also think apt-get should alias dist-upgrade and upgrade and just not mention dist-upgrade except as an alias for upgrade, used by oldtimers
[22:08] <yofel> alankila: no, upgrade and dist-upgrade have different behaviours
[22:08] <alankila> there are too many questions related to what are the right parameters to run and there are very few reasons to run upgrade rather than dist-upgrade. In fact, I can't really think of any.
[22:08] <billybigrigger> anyone know what happened to the virtualbox-3.0 package?
[22:09] <test34> Im doing updates using the update manager, it looks like it's updating in the background but the usual window didn't popup when I pushed install updates (the one where you can push details and see what's going on).. it just grayed out the main update manager window
[22:09] <billybigrigger> virtualbox-3.0:
[22:09] <billybigrigger>   Installed: (none)
[22:09] <billybigrigger>   Candidate: (none)
[22:09] <billybigrigger>   Version table:
[22:09] <yofel> alankila: yes, but can for example use upgrade in a cron job without having to check for any breakage since it should be safe in most situations
[22:09] <test34> it finished
[22:10] <alankila> yofel: and distros that provide security upgrades only are unlikely to obsolete packages and thus differentiate between the dist-upgrade and upgrade behavior.
[22:11] <yofel> alankila: yes, but do you now want to build a seperate apt for development releases where that does happen? That's nonsense
[22:11] <odin> Hello, I have an issue with my alsa-pulse configuration. I am using Karmic. I can't use the quick access buttons or the volume applet to change/mute sound
[22:11] <alankila> No. I just want everyone to use dist-upgrade if they aren't on a stable release. :)
[22:12] <odin> when I try System>Preferences>Sound I have a message telling me something like "waiting for sound system to respond". I think it is related.
[22:13] <yofel> alankila: ok true, but then again, you should know this if you're using a development release
[22:13] <alankila> I mean, practically. I really doubt there is anyone running upgrades automatically on a system that isn't also on some kind of stable feed. The only use case -- keeping what you have working -- makes sense only if you are also tracking a stable release. That's why I suspect upgrade-feature is actually pointless.
[22:13] <alankila> it's already given by the fact that you are in maintenance mode and aren't tracking something like debian testing or unstable, or such which conceiveably replaces packages unpredictably.
[22:15] <Trizicus> I have a kernel update question (or 2): 1. Just to be sure; but when I update my kernel I need to uninstall the propriety nvidia driver, then reinstall it into the new kernel correct? Also how do I test the new kernel for stability properly?
[22:15] <yofel> well yeah ok, but is that enough reason to make apt behave different in debian and in ubuntu?
[22:16] <yofel> Trizicus: if you use the .run file from nvidia then yes, if you use the package from the repository no - dkms will rebuild the driver for the new kernel
[22:16] <slacker_nl> alankila: i don't want to run dist-upgrade on a "unstable" system
[22:16] <odin> you run nvidia-installer --update
[22:17] <Trizicus> ok that answers one of my questions, thanks what about testing for stability?
[22:18] <odin> Trizicus: the best way to test for stability is to download the cuda sdk and run the examples
[22:18] <evilaim> God, I do love this new version
[22:18] <evilaim> 9.10 +1
[22:18] <Trizicus> that will test for kernel stability?
[22:19] <alankila> I suppose I have to agree... I'm just dreaming that people would throw away something like the upgrade-mode of apt, just as something which is potentially dangerous as it multiplies the number of linux system configurations and thus makes it that much less likely that everything gets tested properly.
[22:19] <odin> Hello, I have an issue with my alsa-pulse configuration. I am using Karmic. I can't use the quick access buttons or the volume applet to change/mute sound
[22:21] <MichRT> Hello. I'm back.
[22:21] <RussellAlan> hello, you're back.
[22:21] <Cynthia> Pleased to meet you, back. I'm Cynthia.
[22:22] <slacker_nl> odin: in ubuntu+1 everyone assumes you're running karmic ;)
[22:22] <MichRT> Hay, you helped me get my words straight earlier. Nice to meet you Cynthia.
[22:22] <Cynthia> Likewise :)
[22:22] <MichRT> I am running Karmic
[22:22] <MichRT> Love it
[22:23] <odin> sorry I just copied the message from #ubuntu
[22:23] <odin> sorry back
[22:24] <MichRT> Question: How, if possible, do you SAFELY get GRUB back to Legacy?
[22:24] <alankila> MichRT: you mean, install grub1 again?
[22:24] <evilaim> Ya, 9.10 is very very nice so far
[22:24] <evilaim> And yes the new grub is brutal
[22:24] <evilaim> haha
[22:25] <MichRT> Well, I have the new GRUB Beat 3, since it comes with Karmic, But it is sooooooo much slower than the one in 9.04
[22:25] <MichRT> Beat, sorry
[22:25] <MichRT> beta
[22:25] <evilaim> failz
[22:25] <evilaim> haha
[22:25] <evilaim> Ya, I dunno, it's not my fav.
[22:25] <evilaim> I don't even know how to revert
[22:26] <BUGabundo> The following packages are BROKEN:
[22:26] <BUGabundo>   startupmanager
[22:26] <BUGabundo> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[22:26] <BUGabundo>   grub{a}
[22:26] <BUGabundo> The following packages will be upgraded:
[22:26] <BUGabundo>   grub-common grub-pc
[22:26] <alankila> hmm... what do you mean, slower? It doesn't even show a menu if you don't have other things to boot than linux?
[22:26] <BUGabundo> what to do ?
[22:26] <yofel> BUGabundo: wasn't there a bug about that?
[22:26] <BUGabundo> no idea
[22:26] <BUGabundo> I was just doing updates
[22:26] <BUGabundo> and found that gem
[22:27] <Olimpico> Hello, I just upgraded to 9.10 Beta, everything works fine, but I cannot write accents, can someone please help me?
[22:27] <MichRT> Well, GRUB beta 3 seems to start slower, and boot up operating systems slower. I have a nice PC, so IDK
[22:27] <Cynthia> Olimpico: gnome, kde or xfce?
[22:27] <alankila> odd. I haven't noticed any issues like that.
[22:28] <Olimpico> Cynthia, xfce
[22:28] <Cynthia> I use gnome, so I'll pass the buck to the rest of #ubuntu+1
[22:28] <evilaim> +1 for xfce
[22:28] <alankila> I certainly agree that grub could load the kernel and initrd a bit faster, but it seems to take like 1 or 2 seconds to load them so I don't really care
[22:29] <MichRT> ooooh, how is the new xfce? I remember 8.04. It sucked. No offense. But it does seem better now.
[22:29] <MichRT> One moment........
[22:29] <NCommander> MichRT, much much better
[22:29] <evilaim> It's ok
[22:29] <evilaim> I wouldn't exchange it for my gnome tho
[22:29] <Olimpico> ooooooohhhhhhhhhh, I just noticed where is the problem
[22:29] <Olimpico> Aparently synergy is the one causing the problem, shit!!!!!!!!
[22:30] <evilaim> language
[22:30] <Olimpico> Sorry
[22:30] <evilaim> *shrugs*
[22:30] <alankila> XFCE is odd. It's less featured than GNOME and seems to use more memory than GNOME, according to someone's tests... It used to be a lightweight desktop alternative back in the day, but somehow it's bloated to hell now.
[22:30] <evilaim> alakila, I've found the same
[22:30] <Olimpico> alankila, well, thats not my experinece
[22:30] <evilaim> That's why I'm testing out blackbox
[22:31] <alankila> yeh, I used blackbox on a very weak box I got but then I discovered lxde
[22:31] <yoritomo> re
[22:31] <rx78x> sup all, big problem today when I powered on for the first time since last night...
[22:32] <rx78x> I can't log in to my main acct, and I think it has something to do with the new passphrase option that also unlocks home
[22:32] <yoritomo> in alsamixer i did not know immediately the problem, it needs to use right arrow to browse more volume bars
[22:32] <yoritomo> now i know thanks all for that
[22:32] <Olimpico> alankila, I find xubuntu very good, I just have the problem now that I use synergy, for having two computers with one keyboard and mouse. THe problem is that in the synergyc side the keyboard layout is not working properly
[22:33] <rx78x> I have tried to sudo mount -t ecryptfs /home/ross/.Private /home/ross/private but it keeps giving me errors and won't mount the disk
[22:33] <alankila> Olimpico: yes, I'm talking about a very weak system. 128 MB of RAM and celeron 600 MHz. It used to be that xfce would have worked on such a system, that is why I was bitterly disappointed by it
[22:33] <rx78x> also, there is a link on the desktop that says Access Your Private Data, but when I click it, it does nothing
[22:33] <Olimpico> alankila, Well, thats extreme, but I really think xubuntu is much lighter than ubuntu!
[22:34] <rx78x> I am pretty sure I used the same passphrase for the log in as well as the PAM key that unlocks the home, but it was working fine up until last night...
[22:34] <rx78x> sorry, until this morning
[22:34] <evilaim> Well, my dual core 1 gig of ram runs ubuntu flawlessly
[22:34] <rx78x> any help is mucho appreciated :)
[22:34] <evilaim> but I'll be upgrading to 4 gigs soon enough
[22:34] <evilaim> and then I should be good for while
[22:34] <Olimpico> Now I{m upgradeing also the other computer, maybe is just an incompatibility issue
[22:35] <MichRT> I'm back
[22:35] <evilaim> Wb, back.
[22:35] <RussellAlan> I'm Russell
[22:35] <carlosgaldino> how could i change the options on grub? i installed the 2.6.32 kernel release and want to boot using it, but the grub loads automatically, i want edit the time to choose an option
[22:36] <yoritomo> ectropy cynthia in alsamixer i did not know immediately the problem, it needs to use right arrow to browse more volume bars
[22:36] <yoritomo>  now i know thanks all for that
[22:36]  * evilaim dances *
[22:36] <Olimpico> alankila, for that kind of system you should use another distro, like Damn Small Linux
[22:36] <Cynthia> yoritomo: ah. And does any slider make your audio volume higher?
[22:37] <alankila> No, lxde works just fine.
[22:37] <evilaim> I guess I should try and setup my media keys
[22:37] <MichRT> Use Xfce at least Olimpico
[22:37] <carlosgaldino> there isn't /boot/grub/menu.lst file here
[22:37] <yofel> carlosgaldino: edit /etc/default/grub for the times and run update-grub, but iirc if you use hidden you need to hold the shift key pressed on boot to get the menu
[22:37] <darthanubis> anyone with a Nvidia card care to try something out for me?
[22:37] <yofel> !grub2 | carlosgaldino
[22:38] <evilaim> ugh
[22:38] <evilaim> I hate setting up hot keys
[22:38] <MichRT> darthanubis, whats the problem?
[22:38] <yoritomo> Cynthia yes, looks like all my problems resolved
[22:38] <Cynthia> good :)
[22:38] <yoritomo> just another thing about sound
[22:38] <alankila> As an anecdote, I think jaunty shipped with a version of pango that lost some 6 MB of RAM every time you read the dejavu-sans font into RAM. The bug was that it allocated 256k of memory for every truetype font table, but forgot to resize the tables to the actual size demanded by the tables.
[22:38] <MichRT> darthanubis, I have an NVidia card. I just don't know your problem
[22:38] <alankila> now that was just a splendid bug on a 128 MB system
[22:38] <yofel> darthanubis: what needs testing?
[22:39] <hzlocky>  Hi, i have a problems installing ubuntu(ubuntu-9.04-desktop-i386),  when I am trying to boot from cd, I have got message: "1. FD 1.44MB System Type-(06)" and installer never start! Can anyone help??
[22:39] <Cynthia> alankila: ouch
[22:39] <yoritomo> under karmic using the same procedure for jaunty no way to compile dssi-vst, how comes
[22:39] <alankila> Cynthia: you nailed it
[22:39] <MichRT> hzlocky, Which version of Ubuntu do you have?
[22:39] <hzlocky> MichRT: ila> Cynthia: you nailed it
[22:39] <hzlocky> /00:39:29/ <MichRT
[22:39] <Cynthia> hzlocky: that sounds like a BIOS boot order setup problem, that's not really within the scope of #ubuntu+1
[22:39] <hzlocky> MichRT: sorry, ubuntu-9.04-desktop-i386
[22:40] <darthanubis> MichRT, yofel , ok I use the invest applet right?
[22:40] <yofel> hzlocky: if you really are using the 9.04 image please ask in #ubuntu
[22:40] <MichRT> It sounds like a floppy problem
[22:40] <yofel> darthanubis: what's that?
[22:40] <hzlocky> Cynthia: no, it is not, all is ok
[22:40] <MichRT> but yofel is right, use #ubuntu hzlocky
[22:40] <darthanubis> and when I click the applet to reveal the actual stocks it drops down of the desktop from the panel
[22:40] <darthanubis> click the applet again and it retracts, but leaves a ghost outline of where it was
[22:40] <darthanubis> that is a problem
[22:40] <hzlocky> MichRT: ok, but they never answer
[22:41] <carlosgaldino> yofel, how should i edit the file?
[22:41] <MichRT> darthanubis: which version of AWN are you using?
[22:41] <MichRT> hzlocky: OK, just wanted you to try
[22:41] <darthanubis> http://www.dslreports.com/speak/slideshow/23154494?c=1477195&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMzE1MTgyMi1VYnVudHUtOTEwLUFscGhhMy1qZG9uZy1Td2VldC1tZWF0
[22:41] <darthanubis> that is a photo of the effect
[22:41] <darthanubis> and this applet is not a part of AWn if that is why you asked
[22:41] <darthanubis> this is a Gnome applet
[22:42] <yofel> carlosgaldino: use 'gksu gedit <file>' or 'kdesudo kate <file' depending on what you're using. Did you read the wiki page?
[22:42] <carlosgaldino> yofel, i'm reading
[22:42] <yoritomo> cynthia http://pastebin.com/mb5c19c6
[22:42] <MichRT> Oh...... Sorry, read you wrong darthanubis. Which NVidia driver are you using, and what card do you have?
[22:42] <Cynthia> darthanubis: bug 428783, this was fixed already
[22:44] <luca> hi everyone
[22:44] <MichRT> darthanubis: just try to update Ubuntu
[22:44] <yofel> hey luca
[22:44] <luca> help please, grub2 list of available kernels was not updated correctly and now I can't even boot inside Ubuntu :(
[22:45] <yoritomo> impossible to compile dssi-vst-0.8 under karmic of course i did like for jaunty and i checked carefully the page of linuxmao
[22:45] <hzlocky> MichRT: by the way, thank you, I found that I am tried to install i386 version on comp Athlon64)))
[22:45] <darthanubis> MichRT, I stay very updated. Like by the hour.
[22:45] <Cynthia> luca: run update-grub from a liveCD
[22:45] <yoritomo> http://pastebin.com/mb5c19c6
[22:45] <darthanubis> video[nVidia Corporation G96 [GeForce 9500 GT] @ Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset DRAM Controller]
[22:45] <darthanubis> I have the latest everythin
[22:45] <Cynthia> hzlocky: that should not cause a problem
[22:45] <MichRT> Oh...... Sorry, read you wrong darthanubis. Which NVidia driver are you using, and what card do you have?
[22:45] <carlosgaldino> luca, is that you who told me to install the 2.6.32 kernel?
[22:45] <hzlocky> Cynthia: otherwise, I dont have any idea
[22:46] <Cynthia> hzlocky: I had 32-bit Jaunty on an intel core 2 duo
[22:46] <luca> Cynthia: I am trying to do that, but I can't: it keeps saying Can't open /dev/null, permission denied
[22:46] <MichRT> hzlocky i'm sure you know now, but get the AMD64 CD
[22:46] <luca> carlosgaldino: definitely not, sorry :)
[22:46] <darthanubis> 185.18.36
[22:46] <carlosgaldino> luca, ok, i think was "luka"
[22:46] <Cynthia> dev/null can't be opened, now that's a big bug :\ I don't know what to do with that
[22:46] <darthanubis> that is the driver version
[22:46] <carlosgaldino> luca, thanks
[22:46] <luca> carlosgaldino: np
[22:46] <darthanubis> Everything is up to date Karmic
[22:47] <carlosgaldino> anyone knows how to disable the bip when a sound file is open?
[22:47] <MichRT> darthanubis, I have no clue. just open a file browser and move it over the shadow.
[22:47] <Cynthia> luca: From within the liveCD, run Synaptic and mark for upgrades the packages os-prober and grub (or grub2?), they've been updated since the beta
[22:47] <Cynthia> apply, then try sudo update-grub again
[22:48] <Cynthia> (yes, sorry, update-grub must be run as root or sudo, did you just type update-grub?)
[22:48] <darthanubis> MichRT, none of that works.
[22:48] <Olimpico> MichRT, what do you mean?
[22:48] <antoine> Anyone here having problems with gconf?
[22:48] <darthanubis> Is someone going to try this like I asked, now that I've answered everyones questions?
[22:49] <Cynthia> darthanubis: MichRT wants you to move a window on top of the rogue applet shadow. Or just make a selection rectangle on the desktop.
[22:49] <MichRT> OK, open up you home folder. Grab the title bar, and move the window so it COMPLETLY COVERS the shadow. move the window away, and the shadow is gone. Used to have this problem.
[22:49] <Cynthia> This worked around bug 428783 when I had it
[22:49] <luca> Cynthia: ok, thanks, trying that
[22:49] <darthanubis> Cynthia, That Does Not Remove The Ghost
[22:49] <Cynthia> It doesn't?
[22:49] <MichRT> wierd
[22:50] <darthanubis> Cynthia, thank you for the link to the bug report
[22:50] <Cynthia> See, I used to have that bug, but now I never have it under any circumstance anymore
[22:50] <darthanubis> Cynthia, No
[22:50] <Cynthia> Running Intel i915, Karmic updated, amd64
[22:50] <carlosgaldino> someone could tell me how can i solve the problem with the sound? every time i open a sound file the computer make a bip
[22:50] <darthanubis> Cynthia, I'll read the report
[22:50] <Cynthia> darthanubis: what differs in your configuration? (also, compiz)
[22:51] <darthanubis> Cynthia, That is what I'm trying to determine by comparing notes with you guys. But the cooperation is lopsided as of right now, you know:/?
[22:51] <MichRT> for sound, go to sound settings in administration. de-check "sound on select" or something like that
[22:51] <Cynthia> The calendar applet used to do this. You're using a different applet?
[22:51] <MichRT> Ya, what applet
[22:52] <antoine> Failed to get connection to session: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[22:52] <Cynthia> Oh, stock/invest
[22:52] <darthanubis> Cynthia, I'm using the invest applet, and yes the calender applet did this too me as well, but not anymore, only the invest applet
[22:52]  * Cynthia tries it, does anyone have any sample stock symbols for me to add? :)
[22:53] <darthanubis> Cynthia, goog, amd, intc
[22:54] <Cynthia> thanks
[22:54] <darthanubis> thx you
[22:54] <Cynthia> oh hrm
[22:54] <Cynthia> the shadow appears as a window always-on-bottom
[22:54] <MichRT> Time to go experiment some more on Karmic. See yall later!
[22:55] <Cynthia> so if I have a Firefox over it, it doesn't show the shadow, but then I minimise all apps and only the shadow shows... confirmed on Intel! Do you have a bug number for this?
[22:55] <darthanubis> Cynthia, told you
[22:55] <darthanubis> Cynthia, only the bug # you gave me?
[22:56] <Cynthia> it seems to be a separate issue to the calendar applet issue, but with the same symptoms
[22:56] <darthanubis> yup
[22:56] <Cynthia> I'll post in that bug report asking for more info WRT the Invest applet
[22:57] <darthanubis> Cynthia, I greatly appreciate your efforts concerning this matter!
[22:58] <carlosgaldino> any solution?
[23:02] <Cynthia> darthanubis: see the last comment on that linked bug, subscribe to it and click "This bug affects me too"
[23:02] <darthanubis> will do
[23:03] <Cynthia> add another comment if you wish
[23:03] <FFEMTcJ> If I updated firefox to 3.5.5pre via the firefox repo, is there a way for me to go back to the 3.5 that ships with 9.10?
[23:04] <darthanubis> Cynthia, Done. And thanks again.
[23:04] <Cynthia> FFEMTcJ: 1. check which version ships with karmic by running 'apt-cache policy firefox' and seeing which version number has 'ubuntu' in it; 2. use 'apt-get install firefox=VERSIONNUMBER'
[23:05] <Cynthia> and 3. accept the downgrade warning
[23:07] <FFEMTcJ> Cynthia: would i then need to reboot? it looks like it downgraded, but when i run ff again, it still shows 3.5.5pre
[23:08] <Cynthia> FFEMTcJ: hmm... try 'dpkg -s firefox'
[23:08] <Cynthia> here it says Version: 3.5.3+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu3
[23:09] <FFEMTcJ> thats what it says here too
[23:09] <Cynthia> if you still had a firefox up during the downgrade, close and restart it
[23:09] <FFEMTcJ> didnt
[23:10] <FFEMTcJ> i guess ill try a reboot?
[23:10] <Cynthia> repeat the steps from earlier, but with 'firefox-3.5=VERSION' instead
[23:10] <Cynthia> it looks like firefox is a mere metapackage, this kinda confuses me a bit
[23:10] <FFEMTcJ> that looks like it may be better
[23:11] <FFEMTcJ> ty Cynthia
[23:11] <FFEMTcJ> that worked
[23:11] <sneakers> I'm trying to install 9.10 with auto|manual ext3|ext4 partitions from the live CD and each time with each combination I get the error "The attempt to mount a file system with type ext3|ext4 ... at / failed." Anybody have any ideas why?
[23:12] <Cynthia> FFEMTcJ: you're welcome :)
[23:13] <MichRT> Back again. bored.
[23:14] <MichRT> Oh, and has anyone tried MTP in Karmic?
[23:14] <Cynthia> MichRT: as in Media Transfer Protocol?
[23:14] <MichRT> Ya
[23:15] <Cynthia> nah, I only do USB mass storage
[23:15] <Cynthia> others?
[23:15] <evilaim> Man, this is all starting to work "too good"
[23:15] <MichRT> Well, I do too, but my brother has a Sandisk Sansa Fuze, and I need it for that.
[23:16] <MichRT> I looked it up, but from experience rhythmbox hate Sandisk.
[23:17] <Lars_G> Well, I had to format my partition and lost all :(
[23:18] <Lars_G> at least I got to create my separate home dir, and encrypt it from the installer (seems encryptfs is used)
[23:18] <evilaim> Nice, pidgin allows for editing the theme!
[23:18] <evilaim> That makes me happy
[23:18] <Lars_G> but now I'm updating the 347 packages from the beta to the lattest
[23:18] <Lars_G> mehç
[23:19] <MichRT> See yall later!
[23:26] <carl0s-> Latest updates broke my ATI FireGL Thinkpad t43 laptop .. The system hangs about where I'd expect X to be. Any ideas?
[23:37] <jdu> Running the livecd of 9.10 beta on a usb stick, it only starts sometimes.  Is this likely a result of the upstart changes, or is it likely that it will be fixed with a real install?
[23:37] <jdu> this amd64
[23:37] <evilaim> ya, I'm on amd64
[23:37] <evilaim> It's very nice
[23:37] <evilaim> But I really really need to upgrade ram
[23:37] <evilaim> haha
[23:38] <jdu> evilaim: i haven't tested to see whether my ram usage really goes up as expected with a 64 bit install
[23:39] <evilaim> I have a bunch of stuff running and I'm only at 522MB
[23:39] <evilaim> conky, pidgin, deluge, irssi, gnome-do, thunderbird...
[23:40] <billybigrigger> anyone know what happened to the virtualbox-3.0 package?
[23:46] <sneakers> if anybody is interested, it seems the install partitioner wouldn't work until I deleted all partitions on the drives I was setting up
[23:46] <sneakers> removing all partitions with gparted allowed me to manually partition in the installer
[23:46] <Cynthia> sneakers: I installed Alpha 5, Alpha 6 and Beta over manually-specified partitions :\
[23:47] <Cynthia> manually specified, and existing
[23:47] <sneakers> with each combination I tried, it just told me it failed
[23:47] <evilaim> Hey, does pidgin support video now?
[23:49] <zniavre> jabber and another network but not the msn protocol yet
[23:50] <Cynthia> the other protocol is XMPP or something
[23:52] <Stonk> hi there. I've got the 9.10 beta 64 bit running right now and the installed can't see my harddisk. fdisk -l returns nothing either. Any ideas?
[23:53] <ectropy> Stonk: Get a hard disk! :P
[23:53] <wirechief_> Stonk did it see your HD when it was tested as a live session ?
[23:54] <Stonk> I'm in the live session right now. I know the harddisk works because I can reboot into *ahem* vista that came with it
[23:54] <wirechief_> Stonk if you didn't already, check the media, select the integrity check on the grub screen.
[23:55] <Stonk> it's a fully intel mobo so...
[23:55] <Cynthia> Stonk: does 'ls /dev/{h,s}d*' in a terminal return anything?
[23:55] <Stonk> I don't really want to leave my live session right now ;-)
[23:56] <Stonk> default /dev/sd{a-d}
[23:56] <Stonk> but black
[23:56] <wirechief_> Stonk well you might  be able to check the media with sha256sum /dev/cdrom and see if it compares
[23:56] <Stonk> i dont understand sorry, I'm unable to install it
[23:56] <wirechief_> unless you know the md5sum then use it instead.
[23:57] <Stonk> Sorry, you've lost me wirechief_
[23:57] <wirechief_> Stonk use the terminal and do the above commands and compare your results
[23:58] <Stonk> oh you think my cd is screwed? hmm ok
[23:58] <wirechief_> that will verify the integrity of your current session anyways.
[23:58] <wirechief_> yes i do think its mucked
[23:58] <wirechief_> but it could be something else
[23:58] <Stonk> It's been running live for the last 4 hours
[23:58] <Stonk> but ok... it's doing it
[23:59] <wirechief_> that does not mean anything. all you need to do is lose a few bits and you have a install thats screwed
[23:59] <gnubie> billybigrigger; http://www.howtoforge.com/installing-virtualbox-3.0-on-an-ubuntu-9.04-desktop   I just followed this and now have vbox 3.0 install on 9.10
[23:59] <coz_> hey guys.. i wanted to make a comment about the "no icons " under some menus as being a dis-service to visually impaired individuals who would more likely see the icon as a color variation to work with where as text alone..being similar to all text in the menus most likely might not be distinguushed from any other text in the menu