[00:28] <picklesworth> Eeek, I've gotta go. Oh well, bye :)
[08:47] <zniavre> good morning
[09:43]  * thorwil enters new areas: http://www.istockphoto.com/file_search.php?action=file&userID=4970236
[11:25] <kwwii> thorwil: hehe, cool stuff
[11:25] <thorwil> ty :)
[11:30] <mac_v> thorwil: whats that for , btw?
[11:31] <thorwil> mac_v: quite surprisingly for a site called istockphoto, it's stock art. a bit much on the specific side for stock, but they already have so many images, that it's hard to be generic but still unique
[11:32]  * thorwil -> food
[12:30] <mac_v> kwwii: quick question , do the notification icons[notification daemon , not notify-osd] use the fdo naming? or do they use the naming from the apps?
[12:42] <kwwii> mac_v: the attempt was mixed but they really don't follow fdo naming
[12:42] <kwwii> or the notification would not be in front
[12:43] <kwwii> but when possible they follow it
[12:44] <mac_v> kwwii: i'm trying to file a bug in notify-osd to use the translate notification used by the apps rather than forcing all ubuntu packages to carry patches .. we could do this for atleast the apps in the default install
[12:44] <mac_v> s/to use the translate/to translate
[12:45] <mac_v> that is why gpm still hasnt been patched , seb and pitti are reluctant
[12:45] <kwwii> mac_v: ? slow done
[12:45] <kwwii> let me understand ;)
[12:45] <kwwii> down
[12:46] <kwwii> mac_v: what do you mean by "translate notification"?
[12:46] <mac_v> hehe , ;) , let me explain
[12:48] <mac_v> kwwii: No upstream app will ever use notify-osd icon labels , since notify-osd is only ubuntu specific , so every ubuntu package will need a patch for this! , But it is not possible to patch all apps and carry patches just because Ubuntu has a new notification system.. Instead it will be simpler to make notify-osd to recognize the upstream names and  to convert these icon names to its own naming system [notify-osd icon names ]... this is a more
[12:48] <mac_v>  ideal approach
[12:48] <mac_v> right now , nm applet is patched , empathy is patched ,
[12:50] <mac_v> im apps are all being patched  , but they all use a common icon name , why cant notify-osd just be smart ;)
[12:53] <kwwii> mac_v: honestly, I have no opinion on this other than the fact that it works
[12:53] <kwwii> mac_v: I think it would be very hard to have notify-osd change icon names and such
[12:53] <zniavre_> hello / bonjour
[12:54] <mac_v> kwwii: ;) ... well... ok , then you need to convince seb and pitti /asac to patch gpm
[12:54] <zniavre_> what is this widget in The Gimp (zoom) please >http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/8576/capturebp.png
[12:54] <zniavre_> ?
[12:55] <mac_v> kwwii: it still uses the gpm icons for notifications , and there has been no bug filed for a gpm patch ;)
[12:55] <kwwii> mac_v: ok, let's talk to them
[13:05] <kwwii> mac_v: in any case, there should be a bug about this
[13:05] <kwwii> mac_v: is the current problem with the battery icons in notify-osd caused because gpm uses the same names for that as in the apps?
[13:06] <mac_v> kwwii: yup
[13:06] <mac_v> mat_t: ^ i think you should file the bug ;)
[13:06] <kwwii> mat_t: yeah, mac_v is right
[13:44] <mac_v> kwwii: is the gpm icon supposed to exist in the gdm? the gdm uses the greyscale icon for the gdm instead of using mat_t's icons
[13:45] <mac_v> i guess he hasnt done the icons yet for the gpm
[13:48] <kwwii> mac_v: where does that appear in gdm?
[13:49] <kwwii> ahhh, in the notification
[13:49] <mac_v> kwwii: it shows up to the right of the accessibility icon , maybe i see it because i'm on a laptop
[13:49] <kwwii> mac_v: I am on a laptop as well
[13:50] <mac_v> hehe , ... hmm , so you have the icon as well?
[13:51] <kwwii> yes, the notification shows a green battery
[13:51] <kwwii> which is incorrect
[13:51] <kwwii> I had this discussion a week or more ago
[13:52] <kwwii> and thought it was fixed
[13:52] <mac_v> kwwii: odd , for me the icon is the greyscale icon from humanity...
[13:56] <kwwii> mac_v: hrm, it also appears in the panel
[13:56] <kwwii> shit
[13:56] <kwwii> do you know the name of the icon being displayed there?
[13:57] <kwwii> mat_t: ^----^ we need an icon asap
[13:57] <mac_v> kwwii: the gpm-* icons
[13:57] <kwwii> fsck, I hate gdm
[13:57] <kwwii> this new gdm is nothing but pain
[13:58] <mac_v> lol , it's gonna be a pain doing those icons in white with glow ;)
[13:59] <mac_v> mat_t: you need to do 15 more icons ;p
[14:07] <mat_t> mac_v: don't worry about it now, for now the shutdown icon is more important - we have to make sure it gets in
[14:09] <mac_v> mat_t: the panel shutdown icon is already in , it is just a bug from tedg's side ;)
[14:16] <mat_t> cool, dude you rock
[14:16] <mat_t> :)
[14:16] <mat_t> thanks
[14:35] <kwwii> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-netbook-remix-default-settings/+bug/444766
[14:35] <kwwii> anyone want to try fixing this?
[14:36] <kwwii> it is a matter of fixing the definitions of color for those widgets
[14:43] <dashua_> kwwii, Already fixed upstream :)
[14:44] <kwwii> dashua_: sweeet!
[14:44] <kwwii> dashua_: you rock
[14:45] <kwwii> dashua_: are you coordinating getting this change included with anyone?
[14:46] <kwwii> dashua_: or to put to better, can I help in any way ;)
[14:46] <tgpraveen> !logs
[14:47] <dashua_> I'm marking the bug, but this fix is pushed to Dust and Hanso (community-themes) and should make it in.
[14:47] <dashua_> Kido pushed to Dust and I pushed to Hanso, affects both
[14:50] <dashua_> AndrewSB here?
[14:50] <kwwii> dashua_: cool, if there is anything I can do to help get it in, just let me know
[14:50] <kwwii> I've got special buttons on my computer for making devs do things
[14:51] <dashua_> I think Andrew was making the changes to community-themes and gnome-themes-ubuntu
[14:51] <dashua_> They should both be updated
[14:51] <dashua_> :)
[14:51] <kwwii> cool
[14:55] <zniavre> re-hello >how is managed the bottom panel with gdm ?
[14:55] <zniavre> the combobox does not follow the gtkrc rules
[14:59] <zniavre> they are not combobox right ?
[15:00] <kwwii> zniavre: not sure, haven't looked into it
[15:00] <kwwii> zniavre: I can imagine it is a special widgets
[15:00] <zniavre> i can too
[15:01] <zniavre> there is a way to check it ?
[15:01] <kwwii> check the code
[15:01] <zniavre> mmmm  :o(       code lines are hieroglyphes for me
[15:06] <zniavre> it could be that ?>http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/557/capture1v.png
[16:28] <MisterKanister> Hi! I painted a Wallpaper what should I do with it?
[16:29] <MisterKanister> (to make it accessible to the public)
[17:43] <FLOZz> Hello all  _o/
[18:46] <mac_v> SiDi: found the wireless notify-osd icons you kept asking > they are in gnome-colors
[18:48] <knome> mac_v, gnome-colors is mostly a ripoff theme :P
[18:50] <mac_v> knome: i have *never* used it...! i dont know why they are so famous :( only now i downloaded it since i was asked something regarding them
[18:51] <mac_v> knome: i think those notify-osd icons were first used by canonical , and then the gnome-colors guys have copied them
[18:51] <knome> yeah, well, it is a theme that just combines many themes
[18:51] <mac_v> kwwii: copyright ;)
[18:51] <knome> mac_v, exactly.
[18:52] <knome> mac_v, kwwii is probably going to have a heart attack or something for your comment
[18:52] <mac_v> lol ;)
[18:55] <knome> well i suppose that doesn't really matter, mark is going to kill him anyway
[18:56] <thorwil> knome: who's going to be killed and why?
[18:56] <mac_v> damn it.. mark just quit the irc... or we could have had a blood bath ;p
[18:56] <knome> thorwil, kwwii for copyright issues
[18:57] <SiDi> mac_v: err, which icons do you mean? may i have a screeny ? :P
[18:57] <mac_v> SiDi: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/notification-network-wireless-high.svg
[18:58] <SiDi> err, yeah, thats the notify-osd ones
[18:58] <mac_v> found them in the gnome-dust ,and a couple of others
[18:58] <mac_v> *all* the notification icons have been copied ...
[18:59] <SiDi> ouch
[18:59] <knome> lol
[18:59] <knome> kwwii, you're a dead man
[19:02] <mac_v> wow , they have a folder 'notifications' with all the canonical proprietary stuff
[19:04] <thorwil> mac_v: what's the issue? stuffed that shouldn't have slipped out of canonical? or canonical icons resemble someone else's earlier work?
[19:06] <SiDi> thorwil: kwwii published the icons in the human theme, and then was shout at because sabdfl wanted them to be under a proprietary license so that only ubuntu would have it, if i understood well
[19:07] <mac_v> thorwil: icons dont resemble , they *are* canonical stuff... and these icons are allowed to be used only after sabdfl gives permissions to copy... which i dont think the gnome-colors guys asked for ;)
[19:08] <mac_v> thorwil: and tbh they are from the earlier stuff canonical did , these didnt even make it to jaunty beta...
[19:09] <mac_v> the wireless icons are older ones
[19:09] <thorwil> SiDi, mac_v: ty
[19:39] <kwwii> how am I a dead man? what did I do?
[19:40] <kwwii> you just cannot copy the icons into another theme
[19:40] <kwwii> so we added a theme with just them in it
[19:40] <kwwii> which makes sense
[19:41] <knome> kwwii, people have still copied the icons
[19:44] <thorwil> some people are just ignorant of licensing
[19:45] <knome> yep.
[19:47] <kwwii> knome: then they might very well get a letter or email or such
[19:47] <kwwii> if it is ever noticed
[19:48] <knome> yup
[19:48] <knome> kwwii, but be careful, the paper might be sharp and make a cut in your throat
[19:48] <knome> ;)
[19:49] <thorwil> why so bloodthirsty? :)
[19:49] <kwwii> it's not my license anyway ;)
[19:49] <kwwii> and I don't think this is meant to point fingers at the "normal guy"
[19:49] <knome> thorwil, unwanted guests and i'm bunkering in the bedroom with two laptops
[19:50] <thorwil> lol
[19:51] <knome> and i'm hungry. and the only "food" is some stuff that smells worse than my dump on a hangover morning
[20:39] <darkham> no changes until act. 29?
[20:46] <mac_v> darkham: what changes?
[20:48] <darkham> changes about artwork
[21:02] <dashua> SiDi, Is the usplash mouse supposed to do anything other than fade?
[21:02] <dashua> The particles on xsplash are pretty sweet :)
[21:09] <SiDi> dashua: sometimes it eats cheese
[21:10] <SiDi> dashua: actually, its not meant to do anything. knome did that mouse
[21:10] <dashua> Ok cool
[21:10] <dashua> Everything is working good other than my multimedia keys sporadically working
[21:11] <dashua> I'm eating some cheese again ;)