seb128no, I'm using the first one00:00
seb128let me retry ;-)00:00
robert_ancellLP needs attachment status...00:01
seb128you can delete buggy ones if you want but right00:01
robert_ancellseb128, ah, it's on the right panel - I couldn't see the attachment controls00:02
seb128no, I can't get the fixed version to crash00:03
* robert_ancell changes history by removing an attachment - I never made that incorrect patch00:04
robert_ancellseb128, yeah, I think pitti must be using the old patch - can you comment on the bug it works for you?00:04
seb128robert_ancell, bug comment added00:05
robert_ancellseb128, thanks00:05
seb128you're welcome00:05
seb128looking at the patch I don't see why it would crash00:05
seb128and pitti should really use valgrind from crashes in malloc or similar00:08
hggdhseb128: hi -- re. bug 359658 -- what you want done?00:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 359658 in evolution-indicator "evolution crashed with SIGSEGV in strcmp()" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35965800:13
seb128hggdh, debdiff + confirmation it works would be nice there00:14
hggdhseb128: so an upgrade for evo-indicator from Jaunty version to current? Or just Ted's fix for the bug?00:15
seb128just the fix we don't do random updates is stable00:15
hggdhOK, will work on it00:15
seb128ok, I clean my unread emails now time to call it a day00:16
seb128have fun everybody00:16
hggdhgood night, seb12800:16
seb128robert_ancell, good luck for the motu council ;-)00:17
seb128see you later00:17
robert_ancellseb128, cya00:17
chrisccoulsonwell, that didn't go very well00:19
seb128oh, yeah, you were away for a while00:20
james_wchrisccoulson: you rock00:20
seb128what did you upgrade?00:20
chrisccoulsonseb128 - i upgraded mountall from the ubuntu-boot PPA00:20
chrisccoulsonit hangs ;)00:20
james_w(good timing)00:20
chrisccoulsonhey james_w00:20
seb128oh ubuntu-boot ppa00:20
seb128I'm glad I'm not using that one now ;-)00:21
james_wwth is going on here? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/33327980/ck-list-sessions-output.txt00:21
chrisccoulsonheh, i felt like a bit of breakage ;)00:21
james_wsomething is authenticating through pam as 'nobody', but not attached to any console00:21
chrisccoulsonjames_w - that looks wierd - they both have the same login-session-id00:22
chrisccoulsonthat's not normal is it?00:22
james_wah, spotted00:22
chrisccoulsoni'm not sure how that can happen:/00:22
james_wit's not generated randomly at session creation00:36
james_wit's taken from /proc/$pid/sessionid00:36
james_wso the extra login originates from the session, if not the same process by which they log in00:37
* james_w requests ps output to look for processes running as nobody00:38
james_wunless somebody has any better suggestions00:38
james_w(boom boom)00:39
chrisccoulsonjames_w - yeah, sounds sensible00:40
chrisccoulson(i was just trying to figure out how that ID gets generated too)00:41
james_wcalled by ck-session-leader.c00:42
chrisccoulsonah yes, thanks!00:44
chrisccoulsonjames_w - where does the "on-since" property come from?00:55
james_wis this a test?!00:56
chrisccoulsonbecause the "nobody" session has an earlier time than the real one00:56
james_wso the session object was simply created earlier00:58
james_wanother nice spot00:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 441190 in dbus-glib "ubuntuone-client-applet crashed with SIGSEGV in dbus_watch_set_data()" [High,New]01:02
james_wseem to have a knack for dbus bugs this week01:02
chrisccoulsonyeah, you've had to deal with a few dbus issues recently ;)01:04
rickspencer3anyone know I remove the Assistive Technologies applet from my notification area?01:29
rickspencer3TheMuso, eeejay ^?01:29
TheMusorickspencer3: What are you wanting to know exactly?01:33
* TheMuso can't make sense of your question.01:33
rickspencer3TheMuso, the assistive technology applet seems to be part of my notification area01:33
rickspencer3I would like to hide it, but there is no right-click01:33
TheMusoYou should be able to right-click, and get rid of it I guess01:33
TheMusooh ok01:33
TheMusoIts probably something that has to be turned off in the keyboard/mouse prefs.01:34
rickspencer3TheMuso, yup01:34
rickspencer3thanks (had to turn off Accessibilty Features can be toggled with keyboard shortcuts)01:35
rickspencer3gots to run01:35
rickspencer3bye bye01:35
chrisccoulsonjames_w - i see there's a response to bug 443441 now01:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 443441 in consolekit "[Karmic] Restart or shut down now requires root password" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44344101:59
chrisccoulsoni've seen the same issue as that before with monopd actually01:59
james_wok, so that package is doing it's init script in a silly way?02:03
james_w--chuid should do the trick02:06
chrisccoulsonyeah, i'm not entirely sure what it's doing02:08
james_wchrisccoulson: care to test as you have run it before?02:09
chrisccoulsonyeah, can do, but i'd have to do it tomorrow though02:09
chrisccoulsoni need to get some sleep now really ;)02:10
james_wheh, bug 37318102:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 373181 in monopd "monopd causes user to have to enter password to shutdown" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37318102:10
james_wyeah, me too, hence trying to pass it off ;-)02:10
james_wnight chrisccoulson02:10
chrisccoulsonnight james_w!02:10
chrisccoulsoni'll try that out tomorrow anyway02:10
mac_vkenvandine: hi... the shutdown icon in the indicator session doesnt change with the themes :( ... its not using th humanity icon even if it is added to the theme , nor does it change with other themes03:45
kenvandinemac_v, ok, please file a bug and assign it straight to ted03:55
kenvandineso he looks at it in the morning03:55
kenvandinehey robert_ancell04:22
kenvandinegood morning04:22
robert_ancellkenvandine, hey04:23
AmaranthSo much for going to bed before the meeting...04:46
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robert_ancellAmaranth, do you know how to make a snapshot of compiz-plugins?05:36
Amaranthrobert_ancell: you mean compiz-fusion-plugins-main?05:37
robert_ancellAmaranth, yeah05:37
robert_ancellthey're all in separate git repos upstream right?05:37
Amaranthrobert_ancell: no we have commit hooks to combine them05:38
robert_ancellAmaranth, so do I check out fusion/plugins-main?05:38
Amaranthrobert_ancell: clone git://anongit.compiz.org/fusion/plugins-main, run autogen.sh, run make distcheck, upload package ;)05:39
robert_ancellcool, thanks05:39
robert_ancellAmaranth, I figured it would be that but thought I should check first...05:39
robert_ancellAmaranth, and just to confirm - master is good for 0.8.3 right?05:41
Amaranthyeah, we don't have a compiz++ version of it setup yet05:41
robert_ancellAmaranth, running new plugins now, seems to work good.  Do you know any specific bugs that I should mention in the changelog?05:55
Amaranthlet me check05:55
robert_ancellAmaranth, bug 44693105:57
Amaranthrobert_ancell: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bugs?field.status:list=INPROGRESS&field.status:list=FIXCOMMITTED05:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 446931 in compiz-fusion-plugins-main "Update to git version" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44693105:57
Amaranththat's the list of all the bugs a new snapshot of everything will fix05:57
Amaranthsome of those apply to plugins-main05:57
Amaranthrobert_ancell: no need for a FFe, it's all bug fixes05:57
robert_ancellAmaranth, I just need the bug for the upload request05:57
Amaranthoh, right, you can't upload yet either :)05:58
AmaranthI guess I could have made the snapshot then... :)05:58
robert_ancellnot yet :(05:58
robert_ancellno problem, I haven't done one yet05:58
AmaranthIt's usually easier to just have mvo do it since the debdiff is generally just a call to dch -i and it's about as much work having me upload a new orig.tar.gz and him download it as him running git pull and make distcheck :)05:59
Amaranthor in the case of compiz he made the new snapshot and editing the date on my changelog tracking the fixes06:00
Amaranththat's why I just handle tracking stuff and pushing things to bzr and let him make the snapshots06:00
pittiGood morning06:28
pittirobert_ancell: I'll try it again with valgrind then06:29
robert_ancellpitti, hey06:29
Amaranthwow, pitti up early06:32
pittirobert_ancell: saw the bug followup, so I won't forget it06:34
robert_ancellpitti, np06:35
Amarantharg, latest chromium daily broke user scripts again06:37
robert_ancellpitti, did the devicekit package go obsolete?07:39
pittirobert_ancell: yes, it got removed from ubuntu and debian07:39
pittithe last rdepends (packagekit) got fixed a couple of weeks ago07:39
robert_ancellbut devicekit-disks is still valid?07:40
pittibut it uses libgudev/udev directly07:40
pitti(as do all the other apps now)07:40
Amaranthdevicekit died before anyone really used it07:41
Amaranthbut devicekit-disks and devicekit-power are still around and useful07:41
pittiAmaranth: yes, devicekit was a thinko, by and large07:43
pittiit was devised when udev didn't allow non-root processes to talk to it07:43
pitti(through the netlink socket)07:43
pittibut then the kernel changed it07:43
Amaranthgood morning mvo07:45
mvohey Amaranth07:47
mac_vAmaranth: hei , is this alsa-driver Bug #446977 , i dont find any  alsa-base package07:48
ubottuLaunchpad bug 446977 in ubuntu "Loud crack before sound plays in any media player" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44697707:48
* mac_v misses dtchen ;)07:48
Amaranthmac_v: need to do one per computer to make sure they're not using different setups07:49
Amaranthrobert_ancell: meeting not looking good so far... :(08:05
robert_ancellAmaranth, yeah perhaps the wiki page intentionally wasn't updated...08:06
* Amaranth gives up, goes to bed08:20
AmaranthI guess I'll at least be able to upload stuff for lucid...08:20
Laneythere was supposed to be an MC meeting that never happened?08:23
robert_ancellLaney, MOTU meeting08:24
Laneyoh I never knew08:25
chrisccoulsonhey pitti - does anything still need to happen from you for bug 432715?08:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 432715 in libgda4 "[MIR] libgda4" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43271508:28
robert_ancellAmaranth, don't sleep yet! I've got dholbach chasing people08:28
pittichrisccoulson: something needs to pull it into main08:28
* pitti checks c-m08:28
chrisccoulsonhey robert_ancell and Amaranth08:28
chrisccoulsondid you have your meeting yet?08:28
pittichrisccoulson: right, I'll promote it now08:28
chrisccoulsonpitti - seb128 sponsored the gnome-python-extras upload last night08:29
chrisccoulsonpitti - thanks:)08:29
chrisccoulsondo builds that are in dependency wait start automatically, or do you need to give them a prod?08:30
pittithe former08:31
chrisccoulsonright, i've got a meeting to go to now08:31
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mvorobert_ancell: hey! do you want me to cheer a bit for you in ubuntu-meeting? or is that not needed :) ?08:42
robert_ancellmvo, cheering is good :)08:43
robert_ancellAmaranth, congrats08:43
Amaranththanks :)08:43
Amaranthhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/TravisWatkins/MOTUDeveloperApplication#List of compiz packages08:50
Amaranthmvo: does that look complete to you? don't want to miss one :)08:50
robert_ancellAmaranth, watching the vote is scary :)08:51
Amaranthrobert_ancell: congrats08:52
robert_ancellAmaranth, thanks!08:52
mvoAmaranth: yes, looks good08:52
mvocongrats robert_ancell08:52
Amaranththat's more packages then I realized08:52
robert_ancellmvo, yay!08:53
Amaranthmvo: robert_ancell made an updated snapshot of plugins-main, even uploaded the tarball to launchpad for it :)08:55
Amaranthbug bug 44693108:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 446931 in compiz-fusion-plugins-main "Update to git version" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44693108:55
* Amaranth goes to bed08:56
robert_ancellAmaranth, sleep well!08:56
mvogood night08:56
pittirobert_ancell: you made it? congrats!08:56
pittiwell deserved08:56
mvobut you will not (yet) be able to do the plugins-main upload, right? I shall do that then :)08:57
pittiwe are very close to getting upload powers to ~ubuntu-desktop08:57
Amaranthmvo: I suspect it'll be a few days08:57
Amaranthpitti: now I know want to apply for next :)08:57
* Amaranth goes to bed for reals this time ;)08:58
pittisleep well08:58
robert_ancellpitti, yes! thanks!09:05
pittiI'm off for some two hours09:31
sorenI just saw Jono's blog post.. Which protocols in Empathy support video chat?09:47
Zdrasoren, SIP, Jabber and MSN09:49
sorenZdra: Thanks!09:50
Zdrasoren, actually I don't think version of package in ubuntu karmic supports MSN audio/video09:51
Zdrasoren, but latest version upstream does09:51
Ngany evolution users fancy double checking something quickly for me? :)10:27
mvompt: if you could check #446253 (and assign importance or close) that would be nice (#445558 and #445380 too, but I think the later is a dup but I can't find it)10:34
mvompt: and #442310 as well please10:35
* mvo tries to get the amount of bugs down again10:35
mptok :-)10:36
mptI'll do that in about an hour10:36
mvosure, no rush, just wanted to make sure its on your radar10:37
mvo(I can also use tags or some other method, whatever works best for you)10:37
mptI've assigned bugs to me where I need to design stuff10:37
mvompt: right, there are some bugs (like the search one) that are bugs against the current design and I think that should be taken into consideration for lucid10:40
mvoso I want you to see them and act (close as invalid or consider changing the behavior for the next cycle)10:41
mat_tasac: hi11:30
mat_tasac: I'm having problems with my 3G connection, which worked great in Jaunty11:31
mat_tasac: bug #44711411:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 447114 in network-manager "3G connection is established, but no data is transferred" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44711411:31
* asac checks11:32
asacmat_t: thanks for testing.11:32
mat_tasac: np :)11:32
asacmat_t: did you explicitly not include the GConf.txt when submitting the bug?11:42
asacor just submitted everything and there is a bug in our apport hook ;)11:42
mat_tasac: the latter I think ;)11:43
* mat_t is not clever enough to know what to exclude that would annoy asac ;)11:43
asacmat_t: gconftool-2 -R /system/networking ... does that print anything for you?11:44
mat_tlemme try11:44
mat_tasac: nope, nothing11:45
asacmat_t: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingModemmanager can you do those things?11:45
asacmat_t: not that there is a < karmic and >= karmic instruction for stopping NM11:46
mat_tasac: will do it a bit later if that's ok11:52
asacmat_t: sure. i will work on bugs in the afternoon and evening ... so no hurry11:53
mvohm, it looks like the gdm greeter gets darker every day11:55
mac_vmpt: hei , regarding adding a monochrome icon for display properties > Bug #443311 , do we want to do this , that icon is not a status indicator of any sort and IMO adding an icon for it is just encouraging apps to abuse the notification area more12:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 443311 in gnome-settings-daemon "display properties notification area icon still fully coloured" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44331112:15
mac_vit is just a static icon of a monitor12:15
mptmac_v, if you're 100% sure that it won't make the System > Preferences > Display icon monochrome too, then I'm ok with it12:23
mac_vmpt: i tested it in my system , only the gsd-xrandr icon is used in the panel , and the system menu is using a different icon [but IMO , that icon is still abuse of notification area ;p]12:24
mac_vmpt: so add monochrome icon?12:24
* mac_v also not sure how that icon will turn out12:26
asacjames_w: do you know if there is something similar to git commit -c ORIG_HEAD if i uncommit and improve the current topmost local commit? (e.g. to automatically refill in the previous commit message)?12:27
asacin bzr12:27
james_wbug 18010912:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 180109 in bzr-gtk "gcommit should load default comments (from "bzr uncommit" and UI button "cancel but retain")" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18010912:28
asacthat should be in bzr12:39
asacah its already filed12:39
james_whey huats12:41
huatshello mister james_w !12:41
huatshow are you ?12:41
james_wgood thanks12:41
james_whow are you?12:41
tkamppeterpitti, hi12:42
huatsgreat too12:43
tkamppeterpitti, I have committed a fix for bug 420490 into the cups BZR, but I could not test it as cups does not build on my box.12:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 420490 in cups "There was an error during the CUPS operation: 'client-error-document-format-not-supported'" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42049012:45
pittitkamppeter: for testing, temporarily add an "|| true" to line 32 of debian/rules12:46
pittisome d-bus service seems to generate that warning12:47
tkamppeterpitti, is there no way to make the build permanently compatible with real-life-Ubuntu systems?12:47
pittitkamppeter: there surely is, it was just unimportant enough so far to not trump all the RC bugs I was working on12:48
pittitkamppeter: and it builds just fine in a chroot12:48
chrisccoulsoncongrats Amaranth :)12:52
james_woh yeah, congratulations Amaranth12:55
james_whey chrisccoulson, I just uploaded monopd, it was easy to test12:55
chrisccoulsonjames_w - thanks12:55
james_wno, thank you12:55
chrisccoulsoni wish i could test these things at work;)12:55
james_wbug 445303 still has me mystified12:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 445303 in policykit-1-gnome "update-manager stucked on polkit password dialog" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44530312:55
kwwiipitti: I just heard about the gpm icons in notifications from upstairs...is there anything we cna do to show the correct icons here?12:56
chrisccoulsonyeah, i haven't looked in to that at all yet12:56
pittikwwii: sorry, do you have some details about that?13:06
kwwiipitti: I think this is the same problem I mentioned a couple of weeks ago13:06
kwwiipitti: gpm is displaying normal colorfull icons in notify-osd13:07
kwwiierm, one l13:07
asacpitti: ubuntu-bug -pPACKAGE is not working anymore?13:07
pittiasac: 1.9.2-0ubuntu1 re-added a dummy -p option13:08
pittiubuntu-bug -p PACKAGE should work again13:08
asacwas that officially deprecated for a while at least ;)?13:08
pittiall the documentation uses a space13:08
pittiasac: since intrepid; but I added it back for hardy compat13:08
asaci have apport ubuntu213:08
asacyeah. without -p it works13:09
kwwiipitti: bug #399492 explains it in detail13:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 399492 in hundredpapercuts "Notifications when switching between AC/battery power should be improved" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39949213:09
asacalso with -p firefox-3.513:09
tkamppeterpitti, thanks. I have tested now and the change works as it should work. Can you upload CUPS so that the bug gets closed?13:10
pittitkamppeter: ok13:11
asacoh. its apparmor preventing to run ubuntu-bug13:11
asacmakes sense13:11
* asac goes jdstrand13:12
pittitkamppeter: hm, are you sure you need the invoke-rc? At that time it shouldn't run anyway13:12
* asac goes and drop -p ...13:13
asacoh wait13:13
pittitkamppeter: oh, that code should come before #DEBHELPER#, which starts it13:13
pittitkamppeter: I'll fix it13:13
asacguess i dont want to break backports13:13
* asac keeps -p13:13
tkamppeterpitti, to reliably clear the cache of CUPS you have to stop the daemon, then remove the files in the cache and after that start the daemon.13:13
pittitkamppeter: right; #DEBHELPER# is too early in the postinst13:14
tkamppeterpitti, but the PPD update and the /etc/printcap stuff at least must be after #DEBHELPER#, to assure that the daemon is running whan these things are done.13:15
pittitkamppeter: sure13:15
tkamppeterpitti, one improvement: For the case that the update happens when the user does not have the CUPS daemon running, one should put the daemon stop and daemon start into if, only executed if the daemon is actually running. The removal of the cache files has always to be done though.13:17
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pittitkamppeter: that's implied13:27
pittitkamppeter: pushed13:29
chrisccoulsonhey pitti - would you mind accepting my gnome-python-extras package currently sat in the NEW queue if you get some spare minutes this afternoon (so I can go ahead and upload glom this evening)13:30
pittiasac: just updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus; seems you own half of the remaining bugs now..13:35
pittiRiddell: can you please update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus ?13:36
pittichrisccoulson: don13:38
asacpitti: 440987 is fix committed13:38
chrisccoulsonpitti - thanks13:38
chrisccoulsonright, home time for me now!13:38
pittiasac: thanks, page updated13:39
asac435073 this is nasty, but probably not a blocker because it has a workaround13:39
kwwiipitti: the issue with 399492 is that gpm passes the wrong icon names to notify-osd (from what I understand of it)13:39
pittikwwii: they can't be wrong by definition, though13:39
pittiit's what g-p-m icons are...13:39
asac430067 -> the main bug is fixed for that13:39
asacjust the other half not.13:40
kwwiipitti: they point to normal app icons which are used elsewhere and not the notify-osd icons13:40
asaci will spin out a non-RC bug13:40
asacand mark that fixed13:40
asac429835 -> this is fixed as discussed before13:40
asacah yeah thats on the right ;)13:41
pittiasac: or just downgrade the severity13:42
pittiso that it falls off the radar13:42
asacyeah well. the main bug is really fixed. we now dont try three times the same pin without asking again ;)13:42
pittiasac: the new langpacks were already uploaded?13:42
asacoh right13:42
asaci thought arne wanted to upload not sure if that happened13:42
asacguess not but soon13:43
pitti 1:9.10+20091007.213:43
pittiPublished in karmic-release 1 hour ago13:43
pittiseems so13:43
pittiasac: releasestatus updated, thank you13:44
asacok that also fixed bug 437545 that i had on my personal target list13:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 437545 in langpack-o-matic "missing spanish translation in firefox 3.5" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43754513:45
tkamppeterpitti, I think your way to clear the cache does not work.13:46
pittitkamppeter: why not? it's what you committed, just without the invoke-rc.d stuff13:46
tkamppeterpitti: The CUPS daemon must get stopped before clearing the cache?13:46
tkamppeterpitti: The CUPS daemon must get stopped before clearing the cache.13:46
asackept the upstream task open because devmode is still broken for some locales13:46
pittitkamppeter: sure, that's done in prem, and #DEBHELPER# in postinst starts it again13:47
pittitkamppeter: I moved it before the #DEBHELPER#13:47
tkamppeterIf I am in postinst before #DEBHELPER# is the old CUPS daemon stopped there?13:47
pittitkamppeter: yes13:47
tkamppeterpitti, OK, thanks.13:47
pittikwwii: hm, that bug is about string changes, no?13:49
kwwiipitti: it is about notify-osd getting notification-battery-* instead of gpm-battery-*13:50
kwwiijust icon names...we discussed this a couple of weeks ago...I assumed it was fixed but a recent icon change brought it to our attention13:51
mvois the decision to remove all the menu icons a upstream gnome one or a design team one?13:56
andreasnmvo: upstream gnome, but from the advice of a member of the design team, ie mpt13:57
andreasnmvo: so a bit of both a guess :)13:57
* mvo nods13:57
mvothanks, I was just curious13:57
asacpitti: what do you think about the dell-laptop.c bugs?13:59
andreasnmvo: it's not all of them though, objects, such as apps, folders etc use icons14:00
asacis that worse getting special attention for?14:00
asacpitti: we also have wifi being disabled and not reacting for dell-laptop.c14:00
mptmvo, speaking of icons, did you get the second version of the new Ubuntu Software Center icons from kwwii?14:00
asacbug 441161 and bug 44546214:00
pittiasac: how so?14:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 441161 in linux "[karmic][iwlagn][dell-wifi] MASTER "wireless disabled" for IWL 3945 4965 5100 and 5300 devices if booted with killswitch/rfkill enabled" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44116114:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 445462 in linux "MASTER dell-bluetooth - confusing/contradictory bluetooth killswitch status / rfkill behaviour - potential regression in dell-laptop.c" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44546214:00
pittiasac: the killswitch was fixed in the current kernel upload14:00
asacits the same bug ... dell-laptop.c broken since rfkill refactoring in kernel14:00
asacpitti: oh14:00
pittiasac: I'm just aware of the bluetooth icon thing14:01
asacpitti: yes. but both are related i would say. do you have a commit for what was done?14:01
* mac_v grumbles in a corner about the icons being removed :(14:01
pittiasac: bug 430809 \o/14:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 430809 in linux "[Dell Latitude D430, iwl3945] Wireless can't be activated after disabling kill switch" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43080914:01
mvompt: yes, but I have not merged it yet14:01
asacvery good14:01
pittiasac: the bug has a kernel.u.c. git link14:01
* asac checks14:01
asacthat was the patch that was discussed in august, but somehow never followed through upstream14:02
asacvery good.14:04
* asac now happy14:04
mac_vmpt: can you convince asac to add patch for bluetooth? ;) the menu uses the greyscale icon from the panel   , Bug #437162 has the patch upstream as well.14:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 437162 in gnome-bluetooth "Gnome Bluetooth needs to use different icons for notification area and system menu" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43716214:04
asacmac_v: what name is used atm? what name do you want to use?14:05
mac_vasac: now "bluetooth" , from the 24px apps folder , ideally , bluetooth-active from status14:06
mac_valready there is a bluetooth-disabled in the status14:06
asacmac_v: it already uses bluetooth-disabled right?14:06
asacassume upstream opinion didnt change on that bug?14:07
mpthum, shouldn't really be using -disabled for an enabled menu14:07
andreasnasac: your last comment on the upstream bug makes sense, does the patch attached to that?14:07
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asacmpt: its -disabled if bluetooth is disabled. we wants -active for enabled ... currently it uses plain bluetooth14:07
mac_vmpt: we use the -disabled for disabled14:08
asacandreasn: what was the bug id?14:08
mac_vbut active uses bluetooth14:08
andreasnasac: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59656414:08
ubottuGnome bug 596564 in applet "Uses application icon in system tray" [Enhancement,Unconfirmed]14:08
mptah, andreasn has already posted exactly what I was going to post in that bug report :-)14:08
asacandreasn: i think we dont want to add upstream icon because that will cause a mismatch for not updated theme14:09
mptandreasn, the -symbolic proposal doesn't take disabled menus into account14:09
asacandreasn: so if upstream adds a -active icon, all themers have to do that. if we dont add that, it doesnt cause that and would address comment 3 imo14:10
asacmaintainer has to decide if he considers that icon essential. if not, dont ship it, just use the name so themers can use that if they want14:10
asacandreasn: so how about just using the applet/notify.c      hunk?14:12
asacmakes sense? or do you have other concerns?14:12
andreasnwhat is that?14:13
andreasnI don't really have any big concerns about the bug, you should talk to hadess in #gnome-hackers14:13
andreasnand perhaps dobey, he probably have opinions on what icon names should be used and how the fallback should work14:14
andreasnor kwwii, he's a naming-spec maintainer too14:14
andreasnasac: mostly what I was wondering about was 1. oh, more icons in the tree (not a really crutial), and 2. what are we trying to do here14:16
chrisccoulsonheh, Keybuk - i just saw your last comment on bug 436796. i installed the previous PPA version on my machine late last night. it probably wasn't the brightest thing for me to do right before i wanted to go to sleep ;)14:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 436796 in mountall "bindfs fuse not mounted" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43679614:25
Keybukchrisccoulson: oops ;P14:30
chrisccoulsonKeybuk - the new version has mounted all my new systems now (and exits too)14:31
chrisccoulsonbut i havent tried rebooting yet ;)14:31
KeybukOOI, why are you using bindfs?14:32
chrisccoulsoni'm using it for sharing a folder between 2 users, which we can both write too without having to worry about permissions14:33
Keybukah right14:33
Keybukyou can probably do that with normal bind mounts though right?14:33
chrisccoulsoni tried ACL's, but they don't seem to apply for files that you copy14:33
chrisccoulsoni'm not sure about normal bind mounts - i don't know if you can tweak the permissions in the same way14:34
davmor2guys is it known that you can't set your availability from inidicator-applet-session again?14:48
pittidavmor2: dist-upgrade harder :) should work again with today's updates14:54
dobeyAmaranth: crap. that didn't fix compiz :(14:54
davmor2pitti: this is from this mornings iso so that's not an issue then I'm just working through it seeing what bust and not14:55
mac_vpitti: apw , works on which time zone?14:55
davmor2emapthy works with the indicator app again so congrats to who ever fixed that :)14:55
pittidavmor2: was bug 427643, I think14:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 427643 in indicator-session "Upgrade support from MissionControl four to five" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42764314:57
pittimac_v: should be UK14:57
mac_vpitti: or how to disable output , or what he mentions here > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/271258/comments/3914:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 271258 in linux "Acer Orbicam gspca's module fails" [High,Triaged]14:57
mac_vi'm using grub 2 btw14:57
davmor2pitti: :)14:57
pittimac_v: I'm afraid I don't know what he means with "disable output" :-(14:58
mac_vpitti: thanks... i'll wait for him then :)14:59
james_wmac_v: try #ubuntu-kernel14:59
james_whe probably doesn't hang around in here14:59
mac_vjames_w: ah... he seems available there ;) thanks15:00
mac_vtedg: yay , you are back ;)15:00
mac_vtedg: Bug 44688515:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 446885 in indicator-session "Shut down icon doesnt change with themes" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44688515:00
tedgmac_v: Saw that.  AFAICT the Humanity package doesn't have the icon in it.15:01
mac_vtedg: it doesnt have one in Ubuntu yet , sure... but adding the icon doesnt solve the problem15:01
tedgmac_v: Okay, I'll look into it when it does :)  I can't really test it without that.15:02
mac_vtedg: try this , add an icon in any theme with the name  , system-shutdown-panel , notice the icon wont change15:09
tedgmac_v: I hate to be a jerk, but seriously, I don't have the time to go through that.  If you can get it in the Ubuntu package I'll look into it.15:13
mac_vtedg: no probs for me with waiting... the UX asked me why there was a problem with that icon... and they wanted it fixed asap...15:14
tedgmac_v: They've been pushing this broken feature for too long, too late.  I have a hard time getting excited about it.15:16
mac_vlol ;p15:16
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asacdavidbarth: i had an action from last release meeting :)16:03
ccheneygrr OOo bugs keep popping up as faster than i can triage them :-\16:05
ccheneyat least i'm still on hold for uploading new OOo build so i can finish the triage before then :)16:05
davidbarthasac: ?16:06
asacdavidbarth: gpm ... bug fix upload16:13
davidbarthasac: ah cool16:13
asacdavidbarth: what is the patch that needs to be done?16:21
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davidbarthasac: see with MacSlow; he made yet another adjustment; he has the details16:26
asache is not here16:28
asacguess on monday then16:28
james_wdoes anyone else see weirdness with the seahorse ssh-agent?16:50
james_wit doesn't work the first time I ssh somewhere16:51
james_wbut then will decide to work later16:51
pittijames_w: hm, I didn't notice that, and I'm using it all the time16:56
pittijames_w: will take a look at my next reboot16:56
pitti(which will probably be tomorrow morning)16:56
james_wI haven't spotted any patter to it16:57
james_wbut every time I reboot I don't get seahorse-agent doing anything for a while16:57
pittibye everyone, have a good weekend!17:34
james_wyou too pitti17:34
dtchenTheMuso: everything in the ubuntu-audio-dev PPA is ready to go18:06
rickspencer3dtchen, perhaps TheMuso is asleep?18:06
rickspencer3I think it's like 2am there?18:06
dtchenrickspencer3: (yes, i'm leaving it for his backscroll)18:06
dtchenwe've done this for years :)18:07
rickspencer3that's asynchronous communication for sure18:07
rickspencer3dtchen, how are you feeling about audio in Karmic in general, good?18:07
dtchenrickspencer3: once all the rest of the bits are in, much better than Jaunty18:08
rickspencer3dtchen, that's for sure18:08
dtchen(all the rest of the bits being what's in the PPA)18:08
rickspencer3tbh, it works great for me in Karmic18:08
rickspencer3and has been for a while, on my desktop anyway18:08
AmaranthI'm loving my audio in karmic :)18:09
kenvandinerickspencer3, the thing we need to figure out is why empathy crashes when the media stream fails18:22
rickspencer3kenvandine, ah18:22
rickspencer3kenvandine, is there just a lack of error handling in that case?18:23
kenvandinei think that is what the problem is for all these logs you guys are sending me18:23
kenvandinewhen it thinks there is data to get, and it isn't there it crashes18:23
kenvandinemust be18:23
rickspencer3that's a great start18:23
kenvandinebut i haven't seen where to look yet :)18:23
rickspencer3so you can just throw away "thinks there is data" state, and perhaps it will go on working18:23
rickspencer3or at least say "the data stream is gone, shall I reconnect?"18:24
* rickspencer3 is running through quickly tutorial, ensuring everything still works before fixing bgus18:25
kenvandineor perhaps when i disposes of it's of stuff shutting down the connection after failure, there is some null pointer or something18:27
kenvandinei tried to make it crash while in gdb18:27
kenvandinebut i can't make it crash here :)18:27
rickspencer3kenvandine, desktopcouch seems faster and smoother now18:27
kenvandinei haven't messed with it this week :/18:28
dobeymac_v: i'm not sure exactly how you can consider any icon theme to be "fixed" for #25359918:31
mac_vdobey: hmm?18:34
mac_vthe icons are different now18:35
dobeymac_v: different how? the original poster never clarified what he was even talking about18:35
mac_vdobey: lol , yeah , the OP probably doesnt even use Ubuntu now ;)18:36
dobeymac_v: then it should be closed invalid and if you want to argue about whatever it is you're arguing about on the bug, and fix that, opena  new bug for it :)18:37
mac_vdobey: from what i and of couple others tested the usb external drives , now use different icons from the internal hdds  ... oh... i dont want to argue! Mantas just pissed me off a bit ;) i dont mind if you mark all the packages as invalid too ;) someone hijacked the bug and made it a master bug ...argh!18:40
dobeymac_v: i don't like bugs being hijacked, and "usb external vs. interl hdds" still doesn't clarify anything! :)18:41
dobeymac_v: LP will only let me change the status on tango-icon-theme it seems :(18:42
mac_vdobey: seriously that bug was totally hijacked, some marked humanity-unr , humanity-dark in the also affects too! they werent even a theme :(18:42
dobeythe ajax bit just doesn't work correctly, and all the links are broken when the ajax fails18:47
dobeymac_v: ok, i marked a bunch either invalid (or incomplete, if it was filed by the OP)18:53
kklimondawhat are the sane system requirements for 9.10?18:55
dobeymac_v: i also wonder what all that was about with the icon-naming-utils drivel. i didn't really understand what he was getting at19:14
mac_vdobey: dont know either... seriously he confused the crap out of me that day!19:15
dobeymac_v: oh well... Invalid! :)19:15
mptglatzor, hi, does aptdaemon keep a history of transactions anywhere?19:31
chrisccoulsongrrrrr, stupid nvidia20:19
kklimondareally? It just died on me and I have to work from ooold laptop..20:22
kklimondabut good day anyway :)20:23
chrisccoulsonhi kklimonda ;)20:23
Amaranthchrisccoulson: what now?20:31
chrisccoulsoncompiz crashed ;)20:31
chrisccoulsonyeah, it's one ive already submitted though ;)20:32
Amaranththe !prev thing?20:33
Amaranthdobey: Did you ever get a chance to test compiz with that patch backed out?20:34
dobeyAmaranth: yeah, it still crashed :(20:35
dobeyAmaranth: same crash, !prev20:35
Amaranthdobey: fell like grabbing compiz packages from jaunty just to see if it was something in nvidia or X that changed instead of compiz?20:35
dobeyAmaranth: not really. the package structure changed in karmic, and i don't really want to go through the hell of getting the jaunty packages installed :)20:38
Amarantheh? pacakge structure didn't change20:41
dobeyAmaranth: eh? there was an update where "compiz" was removed, and now i have some "compiz-fusion" thing20:43
Amaranthdobey: oh, you upgraded when the ABI transition was half done20:43
Amaranthdobey: you can install compiz again20:44
dobeythat's what i currently have installed20:44
dobeyso i should install "compiz" and not "compiz-fusion-whatever"?20:44
Amaranthwell, the compiz package pulls in those compiz-fusion ones20:44
Amaranthbut that's the same package layout we had in jaunty20:45
Amaranthif you get jaunty versions of those and install them all at the same time with dpkg it should downgrade just fine20:45
* dobey wonders if that has anything to do with this problem20:45
* Amaranth wonders how you have a compiz-gnome 0.8.220:46
Amaranthbut that's just gconf schemas and gtk-window-decorator so not really a problem20:46
Amaranthdobey: on my nvidia system going back to jaunty compiz doesn't fix anything so...21:03
Amaranthnvidia or xorg is broken21:03
dobeyi doubt it will here too21:03
dobeyAmaranth: do you have a jaunty live cd?21:04
AmaranthI can downgrade xorg though21:05
Amaranthaptitude is awesome like that, just `sudo aptitude install xserver-xorg-core/jaunty` and it automatically suggests downgrading everything needed to make it work21:06
dobeywell, i was going to suggest installing newer nvidia on jaunty21:07
Amaranththat helped a little bit...21:07
Amaranthnow it runs but apparently with software rendering21:08
Amaranthdobey: I can downgrade the nvidia driver too21:08
Amaranthnevermind, working better was a one time fluke21:08
dobeyAmaranth: this is my main machine, so i don't really want to do much in the way of downgrading to it21:08
Amaranthah, old driver doesn't work with new kernel21:12
Amaranthi'll try to 173 driver instead21:14
jonokenvandine, did those Gwibber fixes land?21:19
Amaranthdobey: it's the kernel21:24
dobeyoh lovely21:25
dobeyeasy fix?21:25
dobeywell at least it's not nvidia :)21:27
AmaranthTechnically it still is...21:32
Amaranthif the driver was open source it would be in the kernel and would have been fixed when whatever change was made broke it :)21:32
Amaranthreisub to the rescue :/21:34
Amaranthdobey: so try installing the 2.6.28-11-generic image and headers and see if that helps you21:36
Amaranthmy laptop was having a different problem so it may not21:36
AmaranthI mean, it was having the !prev thing on exit too but I haven't checked to see if that is fixed21:37
Amaranthchrisccoulson: same please21:38
dobeywill have to do later21:38
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ccheneyis there an easy way to revert a bzr commit that happened some time ago, or in this case bring old deleted files back?23:08
ccheneythe commit accidentally deleted a lot of files it should not have23:08
* ccheney found bzr revert -r before:#23:13
ccheneyworks good enough23:13
ccheneydid seem to revert things i didn't tell it to though so i had to rerevert those23:13
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