=== imlad is now known as imlad|away === bjf is now known as bjf-afk === mhall119|school is now known as mhall119|work === yofel_ is now known as yofel === noy_ is now known as noy === dk__ is now known as DKcross === nurmi_ is now known as nurmi === vuntz is now known as vuntz|away [07:58] * Amaranth looks around [08:05] meeting anyone? [08:05] motu meeting? [08:27] soren, nixternal, nhandler, persia: you guys around? [08:28] I was *just* about to ping you :) [08:28] Amaranth, robert_ancell: sorry for that [08:29] * robert_ancell hopes Amaranth hasn't gone to sleep [08:29] hi geser [08:30] Hi [08:30] * Amaranth looks around again [08:30] we just need one more [08:30] jpds does not seem to be online [08:30] glad I changed xchat to beep someone someone talks to me [08:30] nixternal and nhandler are probably sleeping [08:30] maybe persia is around [08:30] I'll text jpds - can you try pinging the others somehow? :) [08:30] Quick! Elect Laney to the MC! [08:31] dholbach: didn't jpds planned to wake up early? looks like it didn't work :) [08:31] * persia is belatedly here [08:31] ah great - hi persia [08:31] #startmeeting [08:31] Meeting started at 02:31. The chair is dholbach. [08:31] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [08:31] [TOPIC] Travis Watkins, applies for MOTU and upload rights for compiz packages. [08:32] New Topic: Travis Watkins, applies for MOTU and upload rights for compiz packages. [08:32] hi Amaranth - how are you doing? [08:32] howdy [08:32] glad you didn't go to bed already :) [08:32] very sleepy :) [08:32] Amaranth: I might be mistaken, but weren't you a MOTU before already? [08:32] yeah [08:32] ok [08:33] do you have any non-compiz plans for the next months/weeks? [08:33] geser, persia, soren: questions? [08:33] well, some gnome desktop stuff related to compiz :) [08:34] dholbach: No, I'm ready to vote :) [08:34] I have no useful questions for Amaranth applying to upload compiz: that the upload can't happen is the worse case. [08:34] Amaranth: just today I read a message about compiz and gnome3 - do you know what's happening there? [08:34] well, gnome-shell pretty much kicks compiz out [08:35] since it's the window manager and the panel [08:35] not sure what we're going to do about it yet [08:35] ok, just wanted to know if you knew a bit more :) [08:35] geser: questions? [08:35] Actualy, I do have a question: what is the list of "compiz packages"? I don't see that in the application, and it's important to include to get the per-package uploader stuff. [08:35] * dholbach is all set [08:36] compiz, compiz-fusion-plugins-main, compiz-fusion-plugins-extras, libcompizconfig, compiz-bcop, emerald, libcompizconfig-backend-gconf, libcompizconfig-backend-kconfig [08:36] Amaranth: your application for MOTU is re-activation, right? and the upload rights for compiz are new or did you have them in past already too? [08:36] don't think I missed any... [08:36] MOTU is reactivation, compiz part is new [08:37] Amaranth, Would you mind adding that to the wiki page at some point? [08:37] persia: will do [08:37] probably also compizconfig-settings-manager [08:37] ah, right [08:37] and the python bindings [08:37] * mvo is here to also show his support for Amaranth [08:37] but that stuff is in universe [08:38] oh, right - forgot that this is MOTU+compiz [08:38] Amaranth, With the future plans, it's better to define "compiz packages" inclusively, regardless of where it currently sits. That means nothing changes if they move. [08:38] geser, persia: more questions? [08:38] persia: understood [08:40] geser, persia: do you have any more questions? [08:40] I don't. [08:40] dholbach: no questions [08:40] [Vote] Shall Travis Watkins be re-added to MOTU? [08:40] Please vote on: Shall Travis Watkins be re-added to MOTU?. [08:40] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [08:40] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting [08:40] +1 [08:40] +1 received from dholbach. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [08:40] +1 [08:40] +1 received from geser. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 [08:40] +1 [08:40] +1 received from persia. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 [08:40] soren? [08:40] +1 [08:40] +1 received from soren. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 [08:41] [endvote] [08:41] Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4 [08:41] yay [08:41] [Vote] Shall Travis Watkins be recommended for compiz-related uploads? [08:41] We're doing two separate votes for the separate parts of the application? [08:41] Please vote on: Shall Travis Watkins be recommended for compiz-related uploads?. [08:41] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [08:41] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting [08:41] +1 [08:41] +1 received from dholbach. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [08:41] +1 [08:41] +1 [08:41] +1 received from soren. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 [08:41] +1 received from persia. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 [08:41] +1 [08:41] +1 received from geser. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 [08:41] [endvote] [08:41] Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4 [08:41] yay x2 [08:41] congratulations Amaranth! :) [08:41] * dholbach hugs Amaranth [08:41] * Amaranth does a sleepy dance [08:41] Yay indeed. [08:41] Now get to work :) [08:42] [TOPIC] Robert Ancell's MOTU application [08:42] New Topic: Robert Ancell's MOTU application [08:42] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RobertAncell/MOTUApplication [08:42] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RobertAncell/MOTUApplication [08:42] ok [08:42] hi robert_ancell - how are you doing? [08:42] * mvo hugs Amaranth [08:42] good [08:42] now I can be a robert_ancell cheerleader too [08:43] robert_ancell: do you have any plans for the multitude of preferences/administration tools? :) [08:44] dholbach, not at the moment - there seem to be so many attempts at improving them that haven't gone anywhere [08:44] I plan on fixing individual ones as the opportunities arise [08:44] geser, soren, persia: questions? [08:45] no [08:45] dholbach: I was going to ask the same thing you just did :) [08:45] ..so no. [08:45] I do actually plan on fixing the user ones for Karmic [08:45] Lucid [08:45] robert_ancell, Looking at your uploads, most everything seems to be in the Desktop group. What made you decide to apply for MOTU rather than being a Desktop Developer? [08:46] robert_ancell: what do you mean by "user ones"? [08:46] dholbach, user management (about-me, users) [08:46] ahh ok [08:46] persia, I was recommended to apply for MOTU as a stepping stone to being a developer [08:47] a number of packages I work on are in universe (cheese, glade) [08:47] also there's no way to apply for "Desktop Developer" yet [08:48] Well, one can apply for per-package for the contents of a seed, but yeah. [08:48] right [08:48] any more questions? [08:50] can we start voting? :) [08:50] persia? [08:50] I'm good. [08:50] alrightie [08:50] [VOTE] Shall Robert Ancell become a MOTU? [08:50] Please vote on: Shall Robert Ancell become a MOTU?. [08:50] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [08:50] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting [08:50] +1 [08:50] +1 received from dholbach. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [08:50] +1 [08:50] +1 received from geser. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 [08:50] +1 [08:50] +1 received from soren. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 [08:50] 1 [08:51] * dholbach gives persia a '+' [08:51] WHy do I need a '+', and nobody else? [08:51] +1 [08:51] +1 received from persia. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 [08:51] [endvote] [08:51] Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4 [08:51] (or is my client just failing to display properly?) [08:51] congratulations robert_ancell! [08:52] yay! Thanks all! [08:52] persia: I guess the latter - we all typed '+1' [08:52] [TOPIC] Any other business? [08:52] New Topic: Any other business? [08:52] * dholbach waits a few seconds. :) [08:53] just a quick note: I can't make the next meeting (Oct 22nd, 17 UTC) [08:53] wasn't there someone else? [08:53] Amaranth: afaics that was for the next meeting [08:54] ah, he changed it [08:54] ok... adjourned :) [08:54] #endmeeting [08:54] Meeting finished at 02:54. [08:54] thanks guys [08:54] thanks persia, soren, geser and Amaranth and robert_ancell :) [08:56] o/ === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === mc44_ is now known as mc44 === fader|away is now known as fader === imlad|away is now known as imlad === robbiew-afk is now known as robbiew === marjomercado is now known as marjo === imlad is now known as imlad|away === imlad|away is now known as imlad [15:06] ok, well it looks like we have the room [15:06] #startmeeting [15:06] Meeting started at 09:06. The chair is LaserJock. [15:06] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [15:07] who all is here for the Edubuntu meeting? [15:07] o/ [15:07] o/ [15:07] sbalneav: ping [15:08] o/ [15:08] dinda: Hello [15:09] ok, well, that's a few people anyway [15:09] don't see highvoltage online [15:09] ok, well, let's start rolling and see who comes in === bjf-afk is now known as bjf [15:09] what I want to talk about today is Karmic [15:10] we have 6 days until Final Freeze [15:10] so what needs to be done by then? [15:10] I've got the DVD image downloaded, and started installing last night. [15:11] [TOPIC] Karmic Final Freeze prep [15:11] New Topic: Karmic Final Freeze prep [15:11] sbalneav: which image? [15:11] the latest daily or Beta? [15:11] Beta [15:12] ok, well .... I broke the dailies [15:12] or somehow they broke, I assume it was something I did [15:12] brb, workping.. caryon [15:12] I'm trying to squeeze as much out of the DVD as possible so it's not a huge shock to users [15:12] I was able to get it down to 2.4GB [15:13] but now the text-based installer no longer works [15:13] so no LTSP/edubuntu-server [15:13] LaserJock: so what should we download for a test? The daily (==to debug the problem) or the beta? [15:13] if you can do the daily please do [15:13] the Beta is more for general user testing [15:14] for people who are only going to test once [15:14] OK, but downloading a dvd takes about 8h for me, so I can only test a couple of times :) [15:14] alkisg: even with rsync? [15:15] Yeah 2 mbps only... :-/ [15:15] Thanks, carry on... [15:15] well, I don't have very fast internet either unfortunately [15:15] in any case [15:15] the daily builds are what will actually become the Release Candidate next week [15:16] so we sort of need to do as much testing on those as we can [15:16] I'll try to get ahold of cjwatson or somebody who know d-i, but they're all enormously busy with Ubuntu's release, etc. [15:17] [ACTION] LaserJock to track down current d-i problem [15:17] ACTION received: LaserJock to track down current d-i problem [15:17] what else should be done for karmic? [15:18] sbalneav: what's the status of sabayon in Karmic? [15:18] stgraber, alkisg : is LTSP looking good? [15:18] I think so [15:19] (sorry was fixing an issue at the office) [15:19] if they don't break any additional thing with upstart it should work correctly and be release-ready [15:19] * alkisg also tried the latest LTSP and it looks fine... [15:20] I can't get italc to stop crashing, though :( [15:20] stgraber: you know about that ^^ ? [15:20] stgraber: can you check whether it still works now that we're using upstart by default? [15:20] err [15:20] now that we're using USPLASH by default [15:21] ah, I'll need to test [15:21] LaserJock: yeah [15:21] LaserJock: do you have logs of the d-i failure somewhere? [15:21] LaserJock: italc bug unfortunately [15:21] cjwatson: I don' t have the logs, I just wrote down the error message [15:22] unfortunately error messages alone are usually not massively useful but sometimes you get lucky [15:22] cjwatson: it was trying to install e2fsprogs and said that it was missing 4 things, libnewt0.52, libuuid1 and a couple others [15:23] cjwatson: it was at the very beginning of installing the base system that it bailed [15:23] cjwatson, i belive usplash was enabled forcefully by setting USPLASH=yes last upload [15:23] ogra: look at who did the upload. [15:23] (or do you refer to the loglevel changes) [15:23] cjwatson: the ncurses error that came up was something about missing the multiverse Packages files [15:24] cjwatson, i know who does upload ltsp apart from me :) [15:24] I currently set USPLASH=yes in the ltsp package, that may not be necessary anymore though [15:24] ogra: oh, I uploaded usplash to enable it across the board. but if ltsp was already uploading it, fine [15:24] stgraber: you can keep doing so [15:24] LaserJock: Sabayon is functional. [15:24] sbalneav: the version in karmic? [15:24] 2.28.0 I beleive [15:24] LaserJock: it doesn't have *any* Packages files, which might not be helping matters ;-) I'll look [15:24] cjwatson, well, the setting can go again if its enabled anyway [15:25] cjwatson: awesome, thanks [15:25] no needto diverge from the distro there [15:25] ogra: not really a divergence, and besides, usplash might be turned off by default again in lucid [15:25] cjwatson: I assumed it was due to my seed changes but I should be just using Ubuntu's for the d-i stuff so I was not sure where to start debugging it [15:25] yeah, ltsp should indeed keep it, the boottimes are definately longer === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn [15:25] LaserJock: I think it's a cdimage bug of some kind [15:26] cjwatson: k [15:26] sbalneav: we've got that, thanks [15:26] in terms of overall package versions [15:26] we're a tad behind Debian wrt gpaint and denemo [15:27] it would've been nice to get the new upstreams in but we're quite late for that [15:27] so I think we'll have to wait for Lucid === yofel_ is now known as yofel [15:27] Gcompris is looking good according to upstream [15:28] I've got a couple little bugs on the Live side of the DVD I'd like to fix [15:28] for some reason Ubiquity isn't getting removed on install [15:29] and gnome-app-install is installed, I'm not sure if that's supposed to happen [15:29] what about documentation? [15:30] I know for one that a new edubuntu-docs needs to get uploaded [15:31] I fixed a few issues in edubuntu-artwork bzr regarding the Firefox homepage, that needs to be uploaded [15:31] * LaserJock suddenly wonders if he's talking to himself again [15:33] ok then [15:33] is anyone working on the docs? [15:33] not that I know of [15:34] sbalneav is the LTSP doc guy, but I don't think we have anybody specifically working on Edubuntu docs [15:34] what needs to be done? [15:34] dinda: right now all we're shipping is an About Edubuntu [15:34] Which docs? I'm working on the handbook. Won't make it into the release, but it'll be in a ppa [15:34] I'm working on the edubuntu handbook [15:34] sbalneav: where is that? [15:35] I don't have a branch published anywhere yet. I *do* have the LTSP docs published. [15:35] right I've seen a ltsp-docs uploaded [15:35] may not be able to get any help for this go round but can definitely round up help for the next cycle on docs [15:36] dinda: ok, that'd really help [15:36] basically we're treating Karmic as an Edubuntu Beta [15:36] we're wanting to get the DVD operational [15:36] start ramping the community up [15:36] fyi: not sure if you folks have seen discussions on Gnome and possibly Ubuntu going to Mallard for all documentation [15:36] it's a topic for UDS [15:36] dinda: I haven't seen much on that lately [15:37] dinda: so maybe for Lucid is the idea? [15:37] yip, lucid would be the first chance to use it [15:37] k [15:38] we're going to need a release announcement and release notes [15:38] I think the Edubuntu Council is going to take care of that [15:38] Mallard appears to be topic-based help, whereas the handbook is meant more to be as an actual *book*, at least, that's always been the intent. [15:38] so anything else that needs to be addressed before Release Candidate? [15:38] sbalneav: correct on mallard [15:39] sbalneav: right, an Edubuntu Handbook I envision being turned into a PDF [15:39] rather than use the system help [15:39] reading a book in yelp or mallard is not going to be fun, IMO [15:40] yeah, having a printed doc would be great [15:40] what I'd like to do is convert some of the material on the help wiki [15:40] into topic-based help [15:40] and then have the Edubuntu Handbook as something people can print out and hand to a teacher, etc. [15:41] sorry for being late [15:41] dinda: I think the doc situation is not exactly well defined at this point [15:42] sbalneav is the primary contributor these days [15:42] and as he's said, he's been working on an Edubuntu Handbook [15:42] but I think the area of topic-based help is wide open [15:43] but mostly I'd love to see more of the wiki material landing either on the users's machine (in the help system) or on edubuntu.org [15:43] edubuntu users are pretty good (think Asmo) about putting things on wiki pages [15:44] but we haven't been converting those into "official" docs much [15:44] anyway, that's more Luci discussion [15:44] *Lucid [15:45] so to summarize: [15:45] 1) fix DVD [15:45] 2) fix About Edubuntu/Edubuntu homepage [15:45] 3) make sure iTalc works [15:45] 4) EC to draft release announcement and release notes [15:46] and then I think we're pretty close to wrapping Karmic up [15:46] thoughts? [15:48] * LaserJock considers silence a big "that's right LaserJock, you da man!" :-) [15:48] the last item was the continued pursuit of a meeting time [15:48] I am going to do one last call for votes on doodle [15:49] and then I'll email a follow up with the top picks for meeting time [15:49] LaserJock: uhm uhm...!!!! [15:49] LaserJock: YES YOU DA MAN! [15:49] LaserJock: sorry just got to my PC and there were suddenly 10 things needing attention! [15:49] highvoltage: np [15:50] it wasn't exactly well announced this week [15:50] LaserJock: is there some kind of bug list or easy way to see what's required for #1? [15:50] LaserJock: where was it announced? [15:50] highvoltage: it's on the Fridge calendar [15:50] no emails this week though [15:50] ah, ok [15:50] I just realized it was Friday [15:50] and I wanted to discuss the DVD and what's needed to finish off Karmic [15:50] I'll have to subscribe to the fridge again. I thought it's calendar had been discontinued. [15:51] as far as #1, no there aren't any bugs [15:51] we should investigate a scheme for filing bugs against the DVD [15:51] I don't know how they do it in Ubuntu, but we should find out I guess [15:51] highvoltage: Fridge is just using Google Calendar [15:52] LaserJock: ok [15:54] anything else before we end? [15:55] going once [15:55] .... going twice [15:56] #endmeeting [15:56] Meeting finished at 09:56. [15:56] ok, thanks for coming folks [15:56] and remember to test the DVD as much as possible!! [15:58] hello [15:58] hello pitti [15:59] Hi [15:59] * kees waves "hi" [15:59] * robbiew waves [16:00] * apw zones in [16:01] marjo waves [16:01] morning, all [16:01] * rtg lurks [16:01] #startmeeting [16:01] Meeting started at 10:01. The chair is slangasek. [16:01] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:02] [TOPIC] Actions from previous meetings [16:02] New Topic: Actions from previous meetings [16:02] * marjo, davmor2 to coordinate ongoing testing of wubi with the dailies between now and RC [16:02] * slangasek and bdmurray to garden the regression-potential bugs [16:02] * Riddell to find bugs for kubuntu release issues and make sure they're milestoned [16:02] * slangasek to look at possible Kubuntu-only EOL announcement for 8.04 [16:02] * asac__ to follow up on notify-osd/gpm regression [16:02] * ogra to email apw the list of armel kernel bugs for which merges are outstanding [16:02] * slangasek and smoser to coordinate dry-runs of UEC/EC2 publishing next week, in advance of RC [16:02] * davmor2 to work with ttx on creating a test plan for eucalyptus [16:03] In progress. davmor2 following up on outstanding wubi bugs. [16:03] slangasek, we have worked rather directly on the bugs instead of going through slow email processes ... good progress on imx51 bugs last week [16:03] ogra: You around? [16:03] * asac follows up _now_ not sure if its an issue anymore [16:03] Oh here is [16:03] lool, i am [16:03] lool, ou could have called my new mobile from your new mobile ;) [16:03] *you [16:03] regression-potential bugs - bdmurray did some work on this last Friday; I've done a little but not very much, so this is still outstanding on my side [16:04] kubuntu bugs are milestoned, ones high on my radar are at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus [16:05] test plan for eucalyptus: done, needs some sync with ISO tracker, pinged marjo/ara about it [16:05] UEC/EC2 publishing> this is in progress, there've been a number of changes in the past 48h to how UEC images are being published so we're not to the point of doing a full dry run yet [16:05] ogra: That would have costed us both old EURs [16:05] pfft [16:05] i havent heard it ringing yet [16:05] would be worth an euro [16:07] marjo: on the outstanding wubi bugs, is there a list of these? the biggest problems with wubi testing in beta were presumed to all come down to a single mount option change, hopefully that's fixed by now [16:07] (so if there are new wubi bugs that need fixed for release, I unfortunately don't know what they are) [16:08] kubuntu-only EOL announcement for 8.04> still outstanding on my end [16:08] slangasek: actually it's really down to one bug [16:08] slangasek: I was looking at hooking up with ttx and the testcase on Monday to ensure it worked as is and then follow up on changes throughout the week to ensure it plays nicely for rc [16:08] davmor2: I validated it myself today, fwiw [16:08] cool :) [16:09] ok, cool [16:10] slangasek: that ntfs-3g bug was supposed to be fixed, but we're still seeing instability [16:10] marjo: ttx said he's pinged you about getting the eucalyptus test plan on the tracker... do you have enough info to get that changed in the database, or should you and I sit down and work through that? (today?) [16:10] cjwatson: ah :/ [16:10] slangasek: I've tried changing ntfs-3g to make syncio imply sync, which may help, but that was only today so I haven't had feedback yet [16:10] I'm worried about it [16:10] * slangasek nods [16:10] the symptoms are "bits randomly seem to not land on disk" ... [16:10] slangasek: ara owns that task, but maybe you and i can have a chat this pm, OK? [16:11] [ACTION] marjo and slangasek to follow up on getting eucalyptus tests updated on tracker [16:11] ACTION received: marjo and slangasek to follow up on getting eucalyptus tests updated on tracker [16:11] slangasek: thx! [16:12] cjwatson: if you can get a respin in I can test it [16:12] [ACTION] davmor2 to test wubi with syncio->sync fix ASAP [16:12] ACTION received: davmor2 to test wubi with syncio->sync fix ASAP [16:13] davmor2: sure, running now [16:14] Riddell: btw, by "milestoned" do you mean "milestoned and targeted"? [16:14] [TOPIC] QA Team [16:14] New Topic: QA Team [16:14] slangasek: targeted to karmic? I think so I can double check [16:14] Riddell: please :) [16:15] marjo, cr3, fader: g'morning [16:15] Hardware testing [16:15] http://people.canonical.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html [16:15] Netbooks: [16:15] Passed: 8 (73%) Failed: 1 ( 9%) Untested: 2 (18%) [16:15] Laptops: [16:15] Passed: 21 (95%) Failed: 0 ( 0%) Untested: 1 ( 5%) [16:15] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html [16:15] Servers: [16:15] Passed: 42 (88%) Failed: 0 ( 0%) Untested: 6 (12%) [16:15] Desktops: [16:15]