| _ps_ | Hello, i'm new on the package maintaining. Can anyone introduce some packages for me to get started and learn more? | 00:02 |
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| _ps_ | hellooo? | 00:09 |
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| cyberix_ | Where is the magic that is supposed to create me a debian/tmp directory? | 00:38 |
| cyberix_ | I'm planning to split one source package into multiple binary packages. | 00:38 |
| cyberix_ | dh_make creates a rules file that tells me to install the stuff to debian/tmp | 00:39 |
| cyberix_ | but that directory never appears | 00:39 |
| cyberix_ | and then installing fails | 00:39 |
| hyperair | mkdir it before you call make install | 00:40 |
| hyperair | or its equivalent | 00:40 |
| hyperair | at least autotools knows how to create its own directories | 00:40 |
| hyperair | tell your upstream to fix their buidl system | 00:40 |
| cyberix_ | ok | 00:41 |
| cyberix_ | thank you | 00:41 |
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| leonel | hello : bug 446838 needs a huge patch http://squirrelmail.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/squirrelmail?view=rev&revision=13818 for the patch size can this be included ?? if so to start with it | 02:08 |
| ubottu | Bug 446838 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/446838 is private | 02:08 |
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| MTecknology | I'm trying to find the link to get a mentor - I keep finding pages about being a mentor | 04:21 |
| MTecknology | I think I'm finally ready to try this thing out :) | 04:22 |
| nhandler | MTecknology: I think you want https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring | 04:30 |
| MTecknology | thanks | 04:31 |
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| pan1nx | Hi all... | 08:01 |
| pan1nx | Soon, I can celebrate my 2nd month since I am in the reception waiting for a mentor | 08:02 |
| pan1nx | Any ways that there is someone here to be my mentor? | 08:02 |
| jmarsden | pan1nx: Informally, just ask specific questions here and someone will probably help you out. The Mentoring process is more formalized and there is currently a backlog. | 08:03 |
| pan1nx | mentoring yes, but the reception process is not | 08:04 |
| jmarsden | MOTU-Mentoring-Reception is a team of people, not a process, unless I am confused. | 08:05 |
| pan1nx | hmm, in order to get a mentor you email the reception and wait | 08:06 |
| pan1nx | it is part of the mentoring process to email the reception | 08:06 |
| jmarsden | Yes. Known issue, I'm not a MOTU, but on behalf of those who are... please be patient, and meanwhile, get started on some practucal stuff here :) | 08:07 |
| jmarsden | *practical | 08:07 |
| jmarsden | pan1nx: Is there something in particular regarding MOTU work that you have questions about or want help with? | 08:08 |
| pan1nx | nope | 08:08 |
| jmarsden | OK. | 08:08 |
| pan1nx | just want to start the process so I can get to MOTU one day and do the work there | 08:08 |
| jmarsden | You do not need to use the mentoring process to become a MOTU :) You just need the skills and experience. | 08:09 |
| pan1nx | jmarsden, I've had quite good patience, as 2 months of waiting is not easy :D | 08:09 |
| jmarsden | So... if you have no specific questions... dig in and do some work here :) | 08:09 |
| dholbach | good morning | 08:09 |
| jmarsden | What specifically are you waiting for? Why not find a bug and fix it and create a debdiff, etc etc. | 08:09 |
| pan1nx | jmarsden, ok | 08:09 |
| joaopinto | good morning | 08:10 |
| jmarsden | dholbach: Good morning | 08:10 |
| pan1nx | well, I did that jmarsden... | 08:10 |
| pan1nx | and I will continue | 08:10 |
| dholbach | hi jmarsden | 08:10 |
| jmarsden | pan1nx: Good :) Then you are not really just waiting... | 08:10 |
| pan1nx | ok, I had the wrong impression that it is required to have a mentor... jmarsden | 08:11 |
| pan1nx | it looks to me that it is really important when you join that some mentor talks about your achivements... | 08:11 |
| pan1nx | but it might be just a wrong assumption... | 08:12 |
| jmarsden | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring says "The mentoring program is in no way compulsory" -- but it might help you figure out where your weaknesses are, what to work on next, etc. | 08:12 |
| pan1nx | ok, jmarsden, thank for the corrections... | 08:16 |
| jmarsden | No problem. | 08:16 |
| joaopinto | pan1nx, the important is to do a good work, dependening on yourself a mentor maybe helpful or not, most of the times asking here on the chan is sufficient | 08:17 |
| pan1nx | now Chris is online also (huats)... but I think I can do it just by myself... | 08:20 |
| dholbach | geser: #ubuntu-meeting? | 08:28 |
| geser | dholbach: totally forgot the meeting :( | 08:29 |
| dholbach | geser: me too :) | 08:30 |
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| ari-tczew | . | 10:54 |
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| slacker_nl | does someone know when ubuntu open week was | 13:24 |
| slacker_nl | never mind, found it 31 aug - 4 sep | 13:28 |
| Laney | Can I have an informal FFe for hlint please? It restores functionality on armel and ppc | 13:37 |
| Laney | and is a leaf package | 13:38 |
| sistpoty|work | Laney: ok with me | 13:56 |
| Laney | thanks | 13:59 |
| Laney | ScottK: ^^^? | 13:59 |
| ScottK | Laney: Sure. Don't break stuff. | 14:00 |
| Laney | i'll try not to | 14:00 |
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| Laney | arg | 14:08 |
| Laney | pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy: Depends: libghc6-src-exts-dev (>= 1.1) but 1.0.1-1build1 is to be installed. | 14:08 |
| Laney | Depends: libghc6-hscolour-dev (>= 1.15) but it is not installable | 14:08 |
| Laney | both would need FFe | 14:15 |
| Laney | not sure it's worth it | 14:15 |
| slacker_nl | is it possible to change the cache location of pbuilder? | 14:18 |
| cemc | slacker_nl: should be the --aptcache option | 14:21 |
| slacker_nl | cemc: no i mean, for pbuilder create and update commands, it puts stuff in /var/cache/pbuilder and i want that to be a different dir | 14:23 |
| slytherin | slacker_nl: check the default pbuilderrc, there is an option. | 14:23 |
| slacker_nl | slytherin: BASETGZ you mean? | 14:24 |
| cemc | slacker_nl: --basetgz | 14:24 |
| slacker_nl | http://pb.opperschaap.net/67 | 14:24 |
| slytherin | slacker_nl: that and BUILDPLACE | 14:27 |
| slacker_nl | slytherin: thnx, seems to work now | 14:32 |
| slacker_nl | too bad there isn't a PBUILDHOME variable, so everything is relative to that dir | 14:33 |
| MTecknology | Is there any change somebody could look at bug 446582? | 14:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 446582 in claws-mail "[karmic] claws-mail display is broken by GTK+ 2.18" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/446582 | 14:55 |
| MTecknology | a fix exists for the bug in the package, it just needs to be applied to the ubuntu branch and hopefully applied before karmic release | 14:57 |
| james_w | MTecknology: extract the patch, attach it to the bug, then subscribe the sponsor team | 15:01 |
| * Laney crushes armel haskell breakage | 15:02 | |
| MTecknology | james_w: does just a diff file between the two debs work? | 15:08 |
| james_w | yeah | 15:09 |
| james_w | well, not debs | 15:09 |
| james_w | debdiff though | 15:09 |
| slytherin | MTecknology: No a diff between two source packages. debdiff 1.dsc 2.dsc | 15:09 |
| MTecknology | ok, thanks | 15:09 |
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| asac | ScottK: would you be so kind and poke epiphany-webkit that is in bin NEW ... we lack archive admins over here ;) | 15:29 |
| asac | err epiphany-browser | 15:29 |
| asac | its universe nowadays | 15:29 |
| directhex | ARGH | 15:31 |
| directhex | ARGH | 15:31 |
| asac | StevenK: ^^ maybe you? | 15:31 |
| directhex | um... could an archive admin be a sweetie & reject clr-wallpapers from NEW? meant to send it to my ppa... :( | 15:31 |
| directhex | Laney, no laughing | 15:31 |
| jdong | directhex: haha is Ubuntu your default upload target? | 15:32 |
| directhex | jdong, i plead the 5th! | 15:32 |
| jdong | XD | 15:32 |
| Laney | directhex: hahahahaha | 15:33 |
| Laney | oh wait, *no* laughing | 15:33 |
| Laney | I did that once with ghc6, but it wasn't NEW thankfully | 15:33 |
| Laney | wait, not thankfully | 15:33 |
| Laney | unfortunately | 15:33 |
| Laney | good job there wasn't an offensive comment in the changelog eh | 15:34 |
| JontheEchidna | bob is my default upload target | 15:34 |
| jdong | I did that once with automatix but it was 4/01 ;-) | 15:34 |
| * Laney remembers that | 15:34 | |
| * Laney also remembers a certain someone falling for it | 15:35 | |
| JontheEchidna | bob doesn't like getting packages, and kindly rejects them all | 15:35 |
| jdong | my default upload target insults me ;-) | 15:35 |
| MTecknology | slytherin: how do I do this then? this is what I got from diff - http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/289327/ | 15:35 |
| directhex | jdong, i just set one that does so | 15:36 |
| jdong | directhex: has anyone in debian-land packaged monodevelop 2.2's prereleases yet? | 15:38 |
| sebner | jdong: yeah, directhex and me ;) | 15:38 |
| jdong | ooh cool | 15:38 |
| jdong | where may I snatch that from? :) | 15:39 |
| directhex | still need to remove its moonlight abilities first | 15:39 |
| sebner | ok, directhex should get the credits | 15:39 |
| directhex | jdong, it's in packaging git or svn, i forget which | 15:39 |
| jdong | ok I'll look this afternoon | 15:39 |
| slytherin | MTecknology: you need to use debdiff, not diff | 15:39 |
| MTecknology | where do I get debdiff from? | 15:40 |
| jdong | directhex: btw what's holding back boo? an rdepend I'd guess? | 15:40 |
| sebner | directhex: jdong svn | 15:40 |
| slytherin | MTecknology: Also you have changed claws-mail upstream version as well which is not correct. | 15:40 |
| MTecknology | hu? | 15:40 |
| directhex | jdong, sick of chasing a completely unstable ABI. need to discuss how to treat boo, given every upload forces a transition | 15:40 |
| jdong | directhex: haha indeed, what stable ABI... :) | 15:41 |
| jdong | directhex: evil bounty for a trigger-rdepends-rebuild script? :) | 15:42 |
| MTecknology | slytherin: I didn't change anything with there source, I just used 'apt-get source' to pull from their ppa | 15:42 |
| cedricv | directhex: there was no ABI change that I know of between 0.9.1 and 0.9.2 ..... | 15:42 |
| directhex | jdong, actually... the main reason for opposition to ABI changes is new ABI means new package name means debian NEW queue, but NEW has sped up enormously | 15:43 |
| Laney | cedricv: we are at 082 | 15:43 |
| directhex | that far back? i think i packaged 0.9something | 15:43 |
| cedricv | Laney: hmm i thought 0.9.1 was in unstable | 15:44 |
| directhex | boo (0.9.1.3287+dfsg-1) UNRELEASED; urgency=low | 15:44 |
| jdong | madison seems to think 0.8 too | 15:44 |
| cedricv | at least 0.9 yeah | 15:44 |
| Laney | unreleased | 15:44 |
| directhex | whomever isn't claiming credit: thanks for erasing my shame! | 15:51 |
| MTecknology | directhex: your welcome | 15:53 |
| james_w | MTecknology: if there are other changes then just grab the patch that they specify in the comment and attach that | 15:54 |
| directhex | ah, a wild james_w! must've been 'im! | 15:55 |
| MTecknology | james_w: I'm not too familiar with cvs and afaik, there's not web interface for it | 15:55 |
| james_w | I dun nuttin | 15:55 |
| MTecknology | james_w: so there is a web interface - and cvs is SO simple | 15:57 |
| james_w | Colin said "The patch is fix_gtk218_issues.patch" | 15:57 |
| james_w | if you look at the package you downloaded you should find that file | 15:57 |
| james_w | probably debian/patches/fix_gtk218_issues.patch | 15:58 |
| MTecknology | yup :) | 15:59 |
| MTecknology | james_w: patch is out there now | 16:00 |
| MTecknology | james_w: and now I assign it to motu? | 16:03 |
| MTecknology | james_w: it's assigned | 16:10 |
| MTecknology | 90 days is a short membership time | 16:10 |
| james_w | MTecknology: no, subscribe (not assign) ubuntu-universe-sponsors please | 16:14 |
| MTecknology | sorry | 16:14 |
| MTecknology | done | 16:15 |
| MTecknology | james_w: anything else I can do for this? | 16:17 |
| james_w | MTecknology: just wait for review now | 16:18 |
| MTecknology | james_w: any chance this will make it into karmic? | 16:18 |
| james_w | I would hope so | 16:19 |
| MTecknology | I don't like using an extra PPA when there's no need to :) | 16:19 |
| MTecknology | wow - I'm hungry - 2hr till class is over | 16:20 |
| randomaction | MTecknology: you haven't attached a debdiff | 17:00 |
| MTecknology | randomaction: I was told the patch file is what I need to attach - I don't know how to get the debdiff | 17:01 |
| randomaction | there's a general guide at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix, and I can help you with specifics if you want to create it yourself | 17:04 |
| ari-tczew | debdiff oldpackage.dsc newpackage.dsc > newpackage.debdiff | 17:11 |
| ScottK | asac: cjwatson already got it. | 17:11 |
| zooko` | What channel should I use to talk about what seem to be missing dependencies in | 17:12 |
| zooko` | maven2? | 17:12 |
| cjwatson | asac: I actually did it around two hours before you asked ;-) | 17:12 |
| zooko` | I guess I should just open a ticket. | 17:15 |
| ari-tczew | now I'm forwarding maven2 and related to my-ppa | 17:15 |
| ari-tczew | what are you looking for? | 17:15 |
| zooko` | ari-tczew: I don't know what you mean that you are forwarding maven2. | 17:17 |
| zooko` | I just apt-get dist-upgraded my karmic workstation and "maven2 --version" fails with an exception. | 17:18 |
| zooko` | A bit of googling makes me think that it needs a newer (or older?) version of | 17:18 |
| zooko` | plexus | 17:18 |
| zooko` | I mean "mvn --version" | 17:18 |
| zooko` | http://nexus.sonatype.org/mailing-list-dev-archives.html#nabble-td24954526 | 17:18 |
| zooko` | Ah, I see that it is already reported as #417164. | 17:19 |
| ScottK | Maven is currently pretty broken, but needs manual bootstrapping to be udpated. | 17:20 |
| zooko` | Hm, launchpad pops open a dialog box that says "Just mark me as also affected or subscribe me as well", but I can't make that dialog box go away by clicking on the green check mark. (Using konq in karmic.) | 17:20 |
| zooko` | I guess I should take it to #launchpad? | 17:20 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 17:21 |
| james_w | bug 444714 | 17:21 |
| ScottK | Launchpad's support of Konqueror took a nose dive in the last release. | 17:21 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 444714 in plexus-interpolation "sync request (unstable -> universe) for getting maven built , FFe's granted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/444714 | 17:21 |
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| zookow | Could y'all suggest a work-around for me. I'm new to maven, and my co-workers want to know why I'm wasting time debugging Karmic instead of building this Java/Scala code. | 17:22 |
| RoAkSoAx | Heya guys. one quick question. I'm about to sponsor an upload, and the contributer has added the Section field for the source in debian/control. However the binary packages in debian/control already have a Section field that are libs and libdevel. So, is it strictly necessary to have that Section field added to the source ? | 17:25 |
| james_w | no | 17:26 |
| fabrice_sp | Hi. Can some archive admin have a look at bug #446917 | 17:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 446917 in grsync "Sync grsync 0.9.2-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/446917 | 17:26 |
| james_w | not from an archive perspective at least | 17:26 |
| james_w | fabrice_sp: is it urgent? | 17:26 |
| fabrice_sp | james_w, people are getting nervious in Bug #423755 | 17:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 423755 in grsync "grsync does not start - GTK critical error" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/423755 | 17:26 |
| fabrice_sp | but it's not a vital issue | 17:27 |
| zookow | Okay, my co-workers says that the work-around is uninstall the Ubuntu package of maven2 and install maven2 by downloading a java executable... | 17:27 |
| james_w | well they can keep being nervous for a little while longer | 17:27 |
| fabrice_sp | lol | 17:27 |
| fabrice_sp | ok | 17:27 |
| james_w | I could spend 5/10 minutes doing it now | 17:28 |
| ScottK | james_w: Thanks for the pointer at the bug. If you'd want to do those sync's, it's be cool. 443292 too. | 17:28 |
| james_w | or I could do it with in the next batch, which is significantly less effort | 17:28 |
| james_w | bug 443292 | 17:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 443292 in ubuntu "sync, merges and FFe's need for getting maven built" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/443292 | 17:28 |
| james_w | what a mess | 17:29 |
| RoAkSoAx | james_w, so in this case, I should point to the contributor that it is not strictly necessary to have that change and he can drop it, or should I just accept it and ask to forward the changes to debian? | 17:31 |
| james_w | RoAkSoAx: I would just drop it if it isn't needed to build the package or fix a bug | 17:31 |
| ari-tczew | for admins who working on maven: bug 447382 | 17:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 447382 in libgoogle-collections-java "[FFe] Sync libgoogle-collections-java 0~20080808-3 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/447382 | 17:32 |
| fabrice_sp | RoAkSoAx, I remember seing a lintian about missing section in source | 17:33 |
| fabrice_sp | it may explain why the contributor added it | 17:33 |
| ari-tczew | FFe approved, needs admin archive bug 427886 | 17:34 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 427886 in kadu "[FFe] Sync kadu 0.6.5.3-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/427886 | 17:34 |
| RoAkSoAx | james_w, it is not necessary indeed. On the other hand, lintian is also showing other warnings such, howerver I was thinking on asking him to fix this: substvar-source-version-is-deprecated and an error "build-depends-on-obsolete-package". Should I go ahead and ask him to do that? | 17:34 |
| james_w | the first isn't necessary | 17:35 |
| james_w | it's mainly something that impacts Debian | 17:35 |
| james_w | and sometimes isn't broken | 17:35 |
| james_w | the second might be important | 17:35 |
| james_w | it might require a change to build properly | 17:35 |
| james_w | but again, if not then I lean toward minimising change | 17:35 |
| RoAkSoAx | james_w, ok so, since the dependency error is a transitional package, we can just leave it as it is for now, right? | 17:37 |
| james_w | probably | 17:37 |
| RoAkSoAx | james_w, Ok. the dependency error is on tetex-bin, which is a transitional pacakge that only depends on texlive, so we can just go ahead and change it ( It is not affecting the build process) | 17:40 |
| RoAkSoAx | fabrice_sp, he actually added because in his understanding it was needed, otherwise it won't be accepted in the archive.. but well.. it would be only applicable in debian :) | 17:41 |
| fabrice_sp | RoAkSoAx, ok. So you can just ask him to report to Debian (if not already there :-) ) | 17:42 |
| RoAkSoAx | fabrice_sp, yep, I was just planning on drop that change and ask him to report to Debian, however I was doubting on cleaning that lintian error on the dependency :) | 17:43 |
| fabrice_sp | RoAkSoAx, I've seen packages that FTBFS because of a similar error not corrected in previous versions. Anyway, if the package builds fine, it should also be reported to Debian, and not change it (even if I don't like having lintian errors :-) ) | 17:45 |
| * fabrice_sp is wondering why all contributors fails to update the maintainer field?! | 17:46 | |
| fabrice_sp | at least, debuild remind you to do it | 17:46 |
| sistpoty|work | fabrice_sp: only if you have DEBEMAIL set to an ubuntu.com address | 17:47 |
| sistpoty|work | fabrice_sp: remind -- as in doesn't build ;) | 17:47 |
| fabrice_sp | sistpoty|work, interesting... | 17:47 |
| fabrice_sp | yeah: it's a hard reminder! :-) | 17:47 |
| sistpoty|work | :) | 17:47 |
| zookow | Wow, ant is totally incompatible with the DESTDIR convention and therefore with GNU Stow. </completely off-topic complaint> | 17:59 |
| zookow | Also it takes 1m50s to rebuild even though I just built maven. Argh! Quick! Where's the appropriate channel for bitching about Java software tools sucking? | 18:01 |
| jdong | haha isn't that generally accepted? :) | 18:02 |
| * zookow joins #patentlyobvious | 18:03 | |
| sharms | fabrice_sp: very happy upstream acted so fast on that grsync bug | 18:06 |
| sharms | that fixes our whole quandry | 18:06 |
| fabrice_sp | sharms, yes! :-) It's easier to sync than patching and merging :-) | 18:07 |
| sharms | fabrice_sp: thanks a bunch for your help on it | 18:07 |
| fabrice_sp | thanks to you for your work on it :-) | 18:07 |
| ari-tczew | thnx to james_w for sponsoring drupal's fix | 18:10 |
| debfx | fabrice_sp: could you consider sponsoring my pidgin-otr bugfix: bug #310769 | 18:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 310769 in pidgin-otr "Cannot copy keys from authenticate window" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/310769 | 18:13 |
| debfx | I changed it to direct-source patches as you requested | 18:13 |
| fabrice_sp | debfx, ok. I'll have a look a bit later | 18:14 |
| ScottK | Would someone who can manage to change the topic add https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=karmic-autotest please? | 18:16 |
| av` | ScottK, I thought everyone could modify topic | 18:27 |
| ScottK | Me too, but I've failed when I tried. | 18:27 |
| av` | mm..maybe channel flags are set to block someone with no permission to do it | 18:28 |
| fabrice_sp | debfx, which change is or which bugfix? | 18:28 |
| av` | it's not #d-devel : / | 18:28 |
| fabrice_sp | s/or/for/ | 18:28 |
| debfx | fabrice_sp: otr-plugin.c for key generation, gtk-dialog.c for copy fingerprint | 18:30 |
| fabrice_sp | debfx, ok. I'll update the changelog with that info | 18:30 |
| debfx | fabrice_sp: ok, I hope the debian maintainer switches to a proper patch system, these direct-source patches really are a mess | 18:39 |
| dtchen | pfft, manual zgrepping builds character. | 18:40 |
| fabrice_sp | debfx, uploaded. Sorry about the delay: I didn't saw you updated it :-) | 18:40 |
| debfx | fabrice_sp: no problem, thanks! | 18:48 |
| slytherin | superm1: I have one question. Should lirc-modules-source be moved to 'Recommends' of lirc instead of 'Suggests'? | 19:24 |
| Zlatan | juego de boxeo online http://www.kobox.org/kobox-fande-Nourine.html | 19:26 |
| superm1 | slytherin, no | 19:29 |
| superm1 | all the lirc stuff is provided by the kernel | 19:29 |
| superm1 | that's a stop gap solution if for some reason you need to rebuild the module | 19:29 |
| superm1 | or patch it or anything | 19:29 |
| slytherin | superm1: OK. By the way, the dkms build for lirc-modules-source is failing. Do you want to take a look at log before I file a bug? | 19:30 |
| slytherin | superm1: http://paste.ubuntu.com/289461/ | 19:31 |
| superm1 | slytherin, there is a bug opened on it already. there is a whole lot of lirc stuff that needs to be done. considering moving to lirc 0.8.6 because it fixes a lot of the stuff actually | 19:32 |
| superm1 | but it's gonna take a few hours to sit down and sort out whether it's really a good idea | 19:32 |
| superm1 | what sort of delta it means for the kernel etc | 19:32 |
| slytherin | hmm. I haven't yet started using lirc but if I do in next few days I will report back how it is working. | 19:33 |
| slytherin | Iwill not file bug now. | 19:33 |
| superm1 | just dont use lirc-modules-source | 19:34 |
| slytherin | I will not. | 19:34 |
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| sistpoty | anyone up for a practical ftbfs session? starting in a few minutes in #ubuntu-classroom | 19:58 |
| slytherin | sistpoty: me, for some time at least. | 19:59 |
| sistpoty | :) | 19:59 |
| sistpoty | randomaction: thanks for multisync90 fix, uploaded | 20:01 |
| randomaction | great :) | 20:01 |
| RoAkSoAx | sistpoty, lol was about to review it :S xD | 20:02 |
| sistpoty | sorry RoAkSoAx | 20:02 |
| RoAkSoAx | sistpoty, no prob :) | 20:02 |
| RoAkSoAx | randomaction, please follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/PatchTaggingGuidelines for claws-mail patch. thank you :) | 20:03 |
| randomaction | RoAkSoAx: ok | 20:04 |
| directhex | ARGH | 20:18 |
| directhex | james_w, :( | 20:18 |
| directhex | james_w, i'm copying a fixed dput.cf to all my machines right this second, promise :( | 20:18 |
| * directhex sniffles at his own stupidity | 20:21 | |
| randomaction | RoAkSoAx: reposted | 20:23 |
| RoAkSoAx | randomaction, awesome! and btw... the Section was indeed necessary, sorry for the confusion. | 20:31 |
| randomaction | ok, you still have the old debdiff | 20:32 |
| RoAkSoAx | randomaction, yes, I already uploaded it. thanks a lot for the contribution | 20:32 |
| RoAkSoAx | and sorry for misleading you in that one :( | 20:32 |
| randomaction | no problem, debdiffing is cheap :) | 20:33 |
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| RoAkSoAx | :) | 20:37 |
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| RoAkSoAx | randomaction, btw... you manually copied the claws-mail patch and put it under debian/patches and added a line in debian/patches/series, right? | 20:45 |
| randomaction | yes | 20:45 |
| RoAkSoAx | randomaction, ok, well, you should not do that! Do you want a quick quilt session? | 20:46 |
| randomaction | patch - quilt new - quilt add - refresh :) | 20:47 |
| randomaction | I verified that the patch applies (in this case with fuzziness) | 20:47 |
| randomaction | is there a problem with what I did? | 20:48 |
| Amaranth | RoAkSoAx: hehe, that's what I do too | 20:48 |
| Amaranth | easier than remembering all the files you have to quilt add before applying the patch | 20:48 |
| RoAkSoAx | well the patch might not apply cleanly | 20:49 |
| Amaranth | I do test that | 20:49 |
| Amaranth | I put it in manually then quilt push to it and refresh it | 20:49 |
| RoAkSoAx | right, but you usually need to *strip* the patch by upstream and then apply it into Ubuntu | 20:50 |
| randomaction | strip? | 20:51 |
| RoAkSoAx | randomaction, for example, in the patch available for claws-mail you have to strip it, for i.e.: http://pastebin.com/m2c9d6e0f | 20:53 |
| RoAkSoAx | retrieving revision... etc etc... that should not be there | 20:54 |
| RoAkSoAx | I never just copy a patch there, and I always apply it *manually* | 20:56 |
| randomaction | Is there a reason to do this if the patch system is ok with this patch? | 20:57 |
| RoAkSoAx | well I don't remember exactly but I've always been told to apply the patches *manually*, I mean, never just copy a patch to debian/patches | 21:00 |
| sistpoty | if it applies and unapplies cleanly, then there isn't any need | 21:00 |
| randomaction | do offset hunks count as clean? | 21:01 |
| funkyHat | Was thinking of working on bug 445633 but someone else filed it, should I leave it? | 21:01 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 445633 in pygobject "FTBFS: automake-1.10 missing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/445633 | 21:01 |
| sistpoty | randomaction: no (then usually the patch won't unapply cleanly) | 21:01 |
| funkyHat | He hasn't assigned it to himself | 21:02 |
| sistpoty | funkyHat: feel free to grab it | 21:02 |
| sistpoty | funkyHat: that's from the autotests, so anyone to grab it is welcome | 21:03 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, you can probably grab it if he hasn't assigned himself to it already | 21:03 |
| sistpoty | funkyHat: btw., -> #ubuntu-classroom, we're doing a ftbfs session there (interactive, aka everyone grabs a package and asks if problems show up) | 21:03 |
| chrisccoulson | but he's on #ubuntu-devel if you want to ask him | 21:03 |
| RoAkSoAx | siretart, what about when the patch contains things like: RCS file: /srv/cvs/claws-mail/claws/src/mimeview.c,v or retrieving revision 1.83.2.156 ? | 21:03 |
| ari-tczew | @maven2 bug 447526 | 21:04 |
| randomaction | sistpoty: so if I see "Hunk #2 succeeded at 2215 (offset -2 lines).", I should assume that something's wrong? | 21:04 |
| sistpoty | randomaction: yes | 21:04 |
| ari-tczew | randomaction: please refresh patch manually | 21:04 |
| randomaction | well, it's a backported upstream patch, the must have been intermediate revisions | 21:05 |
| randomaction | ari-tczew: ok | 21:05 |
| randomaction | RoAkSoAx: I'll respin the debdiff | 21:05 |
| ari-tczew | maven2 sync required it bug #447526 | 21:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 447526 in commons-httpclient "[FFe] Sync libcommons-httpclient-java 3.1-6 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/447526 | 21:06 |
| RoAkSoAx | randomaction, ok :) | 21:08 |
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| randomaction | we should use bzr, not patches :) | 21:33 |
| sistpoty | heh | 21:35 |
| Bodsda | Hi | 21:36 |
| Bodsda | Is there any mentoring systems available for someone wanting to get involved in MOTU? | 21:37 |
| RoAkSoAx | Bodsda, there is indeed: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring | 21:38 |
| Bodsda | RoAkSoAx: thank you -- gimme a few minutes to do some reading and I'll come back :) | 21:41 |
| Bodsda | RoAkSoAx: I have sent in an email to motu-mentoring-reception@responses.net --- is it a matter of waiting for a reply now? | 21:58 |
| RoAkSoAx | Bodsda, it is. You might wanna check with huats or porthose to see if they received your email :) | 21:58 |
| fabrice_sp | Bodsda, you can contribute without having a mentor (and even become a MOTU) | 21:58 |
| fabrice_sp | it's not mandatory at all | 21:59 |
| Bodsda | fabrice_sp: I know, but I have tried a few times before and often get confused. It would be nice to have someone to get me started | 22:00 |
| Bodsda | RoAkSoAx: ok, will do, cheers | 22:00 |
| fabrice_sp | Bodsda, you can ask here your questions | 22:00 |
| RoAkSoAx | Bodsda, you can always ask here... there's always someone willing to help | 22:00 |
| fabrice_sp | :-D | 22:00 |
| RoAkSoAx | xD | 22:00 |
| Bodsda | fabrice_sp: RoAkSoAx -- ok thansk guys. So... where to start? I have looked through the packaging guide and the contributing pages a few times. What do you suggest | 22:01 |
| Bodsda | ? | 22:01 |
| Bodsda | Thanks btw, I appreciate the warm nature of the channel | 22:01 |
| fabrice_sp | Bodsda, fixing bugs :-D | 22:02 |
| RoAkSoAx | Bodsda, well right know we are concentrating on fixing FTBFS(Failed to Build From Source Bugs). Many of these bugs already have a fix in Debian or upstream and we can always just apply it in Ubuntu :) | 22:02 |
| fabrice_sp | making small changes to package will aloow you to understand how things works | 22:02 |
| Bodsda | fabrice_sp: oh.. I wrote a script for that... fix-bugs --os=ubuntu --amount=all | 22:02 |
| Bodsda | RoAkSoAx: ok. So do we have some documentation for this process? | 22:03 |
| fabrice_sp | and it works well? | 22:03 |
| Bodsda | fabrice_sp: it just prints "Done" -- Was it supposed to do something else? | 22:03 |
| Bodsda | :) | 22:03 |
| RoAkSoAx | Bodsda, there was actually a session on FTBFS at #ubuntu-classroom | 22:04 |
| fabrice_sp | you can have a look at http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20090909-karmic.html to see the packages that fails | 22:04 |
| fabrice_sp | find the solutions, and then follow the contribution guide | 22:04 |
| fabrice_sp | !contributing | 22:04 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about contributing | 22:04 |
| RoAkSoAx | sistpoty, are there any logs from the previous FTBFS session and/or logs from the session just held at -classroom are going to be published soon? | 22:04 |
| Bodsda | fabrice_sp: so, all the packages in red are FTBFS? | 22:05 |
| fabrice_sp | yes | 22:05 |
| sistpoty | RoAkSoAx: not too sure actually... iirc dholbach wanted to publish a log | 22:05 |
| randomaction | RoAkSoAx: if you want to take another look at claws-mail patch, it's ready | 22:05 |
| RoAkSoAx | randomaction, yep I already did, I'm just finishing my testing to upload :) | 22:06 |
| randomaction | ok | 22:06 |
| Bodsda | fabrice_sp: do i need to run karmic in a vbox for building yeah? | 22:06 |
| Darxus | Bodsda: I think you can build a source package on a non-karmic machine and then upload to a launchpad ppa to have it built for karmic. | 22:08 |
| RoAkSoAx | Bodsda, you can use a pbuilder | 22:08 |
| Bodsda | Darxus: well, I am just starting so probably best to keep it simple :) | 22:09 |
| Bodsda | oh | 22:09 |
| Bodsda | ok | 22:09 |
| Bodsda | RoAkSoAx: is that info in the packaging guide? | 22:09 |
| RoAkSoAx | Bodsda, yes | 22:10 |
| Darxus | Bodsda: I think compiling on launchpad is a lot less complicated than setting up a virtual machine. And you'll need to do somewhere in the process anyway. | 22:10 |
| Darxus | Just upgrading to Karmic would be even easier, and it seems pretty stable. | 22:10 |
| Bodsda | Darxus: RoAkSoAx -- ok so lemme see if I have this. I need to find a package on this list http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20090909-karmic.html then attempt to build it as per the packaging guide? | 22:11 |
| randomaction | Bodsda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto | 22:12 |
| Bodsda | randomaction: ok, build using that guide, not the packaging one yeah? | 22:12 |
| randomaction | this tells you how to set up and use pbuilder | 22:13 |
| Bodsda | randomaction: and what is pbuilder used for? (sorry for all the questions) | 22:13 |
| randomaction | which will build in karmic environment | 22:13 |
| Bodsda | oh i see | 22:13 |
| randomaction | I think you'll still need the packaging guide to prepare a package which you'll feed to pbuilder | 22:14 |
| Bodsda | Ok, im gonna grab some toast, beer and a cigarette then get stuck in, cheers guys | 22:14 |
| RoAkSoAx | randomaction, done :) Btw.. I made a little change in the description of the patch. Instead of using one single line I used two for the description | 22:23 |
| randomaction | ok, thanks | 22:24 |
| RoAkSoAx | randomaction, thank you for your contribution | 22:24 |
| randomaction | I'm interested in having claws-mail in good shape ) | 22:24 |
| RoAkSoAx | :) | 22:24 |
| sistpoty | RoAkSoAx: raw logs of the first ftbfs session are at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/09/11/%23ubuntu-motu.html (starting around 20.00) | 22:36 |
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| joaopinto | ok, checkinstall works | 23:03 |
| funkyHat | So I've been going the wrong way with this package the whole time -.- | 23:03 |
| sistpoty | funkyHat: if it's a new upstream version in unstable, it might still be feasable to just introduce the patch you've create for kamirc | 23:04 |
| joaopinto | sistpoty, who should I subscribe to bug 447601 | 23:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 447601 in checkinstall "checkinstall FTBFS due to glibc change" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/447601 | 23:05 |
| joaopinto | debdiff is attached | 23:05 |
| funkyHat | sistpoty: sorry you've lost me :D | 23:07 |
| funkyHat | I was wondering if I should be filing a sync request for the new upstream version | 23:07 |
| sistpoty | funkyHat: what version is in debian, what in ubuntu? | 23:07 |
| joaopinto | argh, gnote source includes the gnote tarball, ugly | 23:07 |
| funkyHat | sistpoty: ubuntu has 2.18.0-0ubuntu1 and debian has 2.20.0-1 | 23:08 |
| sistpoty | joaopinto: patch looks good, test-building | 23:08 |
| sistpoty | funkyHat: that means it's a new upstream version, not just a new debian revision. The easy route is to add your patch, otherwise you'd also need to file a FFe | 23:09 |
| joaopinto | gnote on debian is 0.6.2, current on karmic is 0.5.2 | 23:09 |
| joaopinto | can I simply test and attach a debdiff for the newer version ? | 23:09 |
| funkyHat | Oh we're in final freeze, right :D | 23:09 |
| sistpoty | funkyHat: not yet, but in FeatureFreeze | 23:10 |
| joaopinto | I see the antimono camp coming for gnote missing on karmic | 23:10 |
| funkyHat | Ok | 23:10 |
| funkyHat | Right, I will stop worrying about what I've submitted to launchpad now then | 23:10 |
| sistpoty | joaopinto: it's not mising it just doesn't compile | 23:10 |
| joaopinto | sistpoty, from and end user perspective, it's missing | 23:11 |
| sistpoty | joaopinto: no, the old binaries are still present for the end user | 23:11 |
| sistpoty | joaopinto: however for gnote (no reverse dependencies) I wouldn't mind a new upstream version, but you'd ideally get an ack from seb128 for it | 23:11 |
| sistpoty | (he's the delegate for gnome FFe's) | 23:12 |
| funkyHat | The Makefile.am is already fixed in 2.20, it seems | 23:12 |
| joaopinto | sistpoty, how are FFes relevant for a package that never worked during the dev cycke ? | 23:12 |
| joaopinto | cycle | 23:12 |
| sistpoty | joaopinto: if it never worked, it'll certainly get accepted... however never worked != fails to build from source (because the binaries from the last working build are still present) | 23:13 |
| joaopinto | hum, that was not the case for checkinstall, i was unable to install it | 23:14 |
| joaopinto | higher priority FTBFS should be uninstallable packages | 23:14 |
| sistpoty | joaopinto: actually I just installed checkinstall from the archive | 23:15 |
| sistpoty | ? | 23:15 |
| joaopinto | hum | 23:15 |
| joaopinto | siretart, must have been my mistake | 23:16 |
| joaopinto | so what's the value of fixing FTFBSs at this time ? | 23:16 |
| sistpoty | joaopinto: if there's a bug in a package, it can't get fixed unless it's made building again | 23:17 |
| sistpoty | joaopinto: this matter much more if we've done the release (noone can try to fix the package until she first fixes the build failure) | 23:17 |
| joaopinto | ok, but i don't see that much universe fixes after the release | 23:18 |
| cody-somerville | moo | 23:19 |
| sistpoty | joaopinto: but having it not even buildable means there'll be even less :/ | 23:19 |
| joaopinto | ok | 23:19 |
| sistpoty | joaopinto: btw, nice work with checkinstall, uploaded, thanks! :) | 23:19 |
| wgrant | joaopinto: Security fixes need to happen quickly, but they cannot if the package fails to build. | 23:19 |
| joaopinto | wgrant, that is true but that is something you don't see ofter in universe | 23:19 |
| joaopinto | often | 23:20 |
| wgrant | joaopinto: That is a bug. | 23:20 |
| wgrant | And we should not make it even harder. | 23:20 |
| sistpoty | joaopinto: oh, just a side note: if you file a bug (e.g. because you need to get sponsored) you can close it by adding LP: #bugnumber in the changelog | 23:21 |
| * funkyHat looks for another easyish ftbfs :) | 23:21 | |
| sistpoty | joaopinto: (i've done that manually now) | 23:21 |
| joaopinto | ok, i will ask someone to check my next changelot for the LP close tag | 23:21 |
| sistpoty | funkyHat: what about the fix you've been working on? | 23:21 |
| joaopinto | anyway, going for the next package, notecase | 23:22 |
| sistpoty | joaopinto: it's not a big deal, that way however I get the karma for closing the bug by hand :P | 23:22 |
| funkyHat | sistpoty: I'd already attached my debdiff to the bugreport, and after investigating debian, their version is already fixed | 23:22 |
| sistpoty | funkyHat: but our version isn't fixed yet? | 23:23 |
| funkyHat | bug 445633 | 23:23 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 445633 in pygobject "FTBFS: automake-1.10 missing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/445633 | 23:23 |
| sistpoty | funkyHat: thanks, looking | 23:23 |
| funkyHat | Sorry I should have mentioned I'd uploaded a debdiff | 23:24 |
| sistpoty | heh, no problem | 23:24 |
| joaopinto | brb, baby | 23:24 |
| sistpoty | crack, pygobject is in main... must look very careful then *g* | 23:24 |
| sistpoty | funkyHat: mind if I mangle your changelog entry a little bit? http://paste.ubuntu.com/289639/ | 23:31 |
| funkyHat | sistpoty: not at all | 23:32 |
| sistpoty | funkyHat: also I believe autom4te.cache hunks are not needed, I'm trying a test-build w.o. these and would strip them unless you object | 23:32 |
| sistpoty | (slightly recalling autotools now) | 23:32 |
| funkyHat | Are there guidelines for how to write changelog entries? | 23:32 |
| sistpoty | funkyHat: not too sure, but the best guideline is probably: forget everything you know about the package, and try to recall what you did by reading changelog | 23:33 |
| sistpoty | funkyHat: at least that's the way I learnt writing changelog entries: I had to do a large number of merges of my own changes, not recalling what I did (and crack, my changelog entries back then were quite crappy) | 23:34 |
| joaopinto | no point to add a patch system for adding a few lines of headers, right ? | 23:34 |
| sistpoty | joaopinto: general rule of thumb: if the package is from debian, reuse the same patch system as debian (seeing none as a choice for a patch system as well) | 23:35 |
| joaopinto | ok | 23:35 |
| sistpoty | joaopinto: otherwise for ubuntu originated packages, I don't see a reason to add one for a simple patch, but other developers might have other preferences | 23:36 |
| joaopinto | erm, a package linking with it's own zlib copy ? is that allowed ? | 23:37 |
| RoAkSoAx | sistpoty, thanks for the logs | 23:37 |
| sistpoty | joaopinto: allowed: yes. good: no | 23:37 |
| sistpoty | (it's pretty common though, afaict) | 23:37 |
| joaopinto | well, not a good time to fix it | 23:38 |
| sistpoty | that's also true (unless the diff of the zlib copy and the zlib archive sources is empty) | 23:39 |
| joaopinto | the zlib is being compiled ang linked in | 23:41 |
| sistpoty | funkyHat: uploaded, thanks! | 23:42 |
| funkyHat | yaay :) | 23:42 |
| * funkyHat dances | 23:42 | |
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