[00:00] <odla> boy the fonts in firefox are huge with the qtcurve theme ... how can i fix that? i'm on karmic kubuntu
[00:00] <billybigrigger> gnubie, thanks, i thought 3.0 was in ubuntu's repos though, and not the ose version
[00:00]  * billybigrigger didn't backup his sources.list for this fresh install
[00:00] <billybigrigger> so i don't know if i had vbox's repos added or not
[00:01] <test34> Anyone solve the logitech wireless headset that stopped working?
[00:01] <gnubie> billybigrigger; it installs 3.08 r53183
[00:02] <MTecknology> what's the command to list all the events that happened on a system?
[00:02] <Stonk> wow, this is taking a while
[00:03] <Stonk> tail /var/log/syslog
[00:03] <Stonk> or nano or whatever you want
[00:03] <MTecknology> Stonk: it was a one word command, I keep thinking udev but that's not even close
[00:03] <Cynthia> 19:00:05  odla boy the fonts in firefox are huge with the qtcurve theme ... how can i fix that? i'm on karmic kubuntu | Firefox 3.5 doesn't honour font rendering preferences, it always hints fonts (which renders them smaller in many cases), and it doesn't recognise the Condensed form of fonts. [Affects me, because I use Deja Vu Sans Condensed here]
[00:03] <Stonk> dmesg
[00:04] <MTecknology> thanks
[00:05] <odla> thanks
[00:05] <Stonk> btw, I'm testing this on an i7 920/8G ram. Working well so far. It's like it's all in ram :D
[00:06] <dtchen> coz_: i've certainly raised this as well. you may find mailing the ubuntu-devel-discuss list more useful
[00:06] <test34> MTecknology, while dmesg list alot of things, it doesn't list everything
[00:06] <dtchen> coz_: (e.g., i'm also visually impaired)
[00:06] <MTecknology> test34: ya, It had exactly what I wanted though :)
[00:07] <test34> but it is probably the one command that lists most
[00:07] <odla> Cynthia: do you know how i can bet firefox into submission to use 8 pt fonts rather than the 14 pt fonts it's currently using
[00:07] <Stonk> wirechief_: sha256sums are the same
[00:07] <BUGabundo> dtchen: you are? I didn't know that
[00:07] <coz_> dtchen,  glad someone else recongized this :)
[00:07] <dtchen> BUGabundo: red-green, yes
[00:07] <BUGabundo> ahh that kind
[00:07] <BUGabundo> daltonic
[00:08] <coz_> dtchen,  although I am not visually impaired I think that accessibility should take priority when development decisions are made
[00:08] <Stonk> this is the first machine ever that I've seen ubuntu not detect the HD
[00:08] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, well well well....
[00:08] <billybigrigger> howdy :P
[00:09] <Cynthia> odla: I have no idea why some people get huge fonts like that; is this just in the content area for webpages or in the entire UI?
[00:09] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger:
[00:09] <coz_> Stonk,  well the last 4 version for me still drop to initramfs  because of my scsi drives
[00:09] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: and me trying to hide my self :)
[00:09] <billybigrigger> who are you hiding from? haha
[00:09] <odla> Cynthia: like the menubar, all the fonts for the application, not the fonts used in rendering webpages
[00:09] <odla> Cynthia: same thing with thunderbird
[00:10] <Cynthia> I know there are some small changes in apparent font size (like 1 or 2 pixels) for FF 3.5, but I dont really know the cause of larger changes, sorry
[00:11] <Cynthia> Consider filing a bug on Mozilla's Bugzilla or the maker of your theme's bug tracker perhaps
[00:13] <jaysonsantos> Hello guys, anyone is able to upgrade from grub 1 to 2  with raid ? In my case grub-probe can't map my devices.
[00:13] <xuser> Hi, how do you play the wizard that is run during install for configuring the keyboard after installation?
[00:13] <ZykoticK9> eyore15, it's Gimp 2.6 non-single window version
[00:13] <xuser> jaysonsantos: osprober?
[00:14] <jaysonsantos> xuser What ?
[00:16] <xuser> use osprober then update-grub2
[00:18] <Stonk> [    2.815153] ata1.01: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300)
[00:20] <Stonk> you dont think it has anything to do with nvidia drivers by any chance?
[00:20] <TLF> hello
[00:20] <TLF> It's possible to enable SSH remotely in some way?
[00:20] <dtchen> Stonk: which kernel is this?
[00:20] <dtchen> Stonk: i.e., cat /proc/version_signature
[00:20] <TLF> my X seems hanged, although mouse works, but I can't ctrl-alt-f1
[00:20] <TLF> any ideaS?
[00:20] <Stonk> Linux ubuntu 2.6.31-11-generic #36-Ubuntu SMP Fri Sep 25 06:37:23 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[00:21] <dtchen> Stonk: aha. that one lacks the update in 2.6.31.2
[00:21] <Stonk> but how do i get it?
[00:21] <Stonk> hotswap kernel would be nice ;)
[00:21] <dtchen> Stonk: you might want to wait til later this evening when the mirrors should have synced 2.6.31-13.43-generic.
[00:21] <Stonk> what's changed?
[00:22] <dtchen> (you're currently running 2.6.31-11.36-generic)
[00:22] <Stonk> YDdraigGoch: Cymraeg? ;)
[00:22] <dtchen> a /ton/
[00:22] <BUGabundo> dtchen: I already hve .13
[00:22] <Stonk> hmm... ok. Is there another iso built?
[00:22] <YDdraigGoch> Stonk, Yup. =) I just don't speak it =(
[00:22] <dtchen> Stonk: not yet, and you'll need to wait for tomorrow's iso at the earliest
[00:23] <dtchen> (20091010)
[00:23] <Stonk> ok, you seem to think that ther eis a known issue? Or is this just guesswork? :)
[00:23] <dtchen> BUGabundo: not everyone's mirror, does
[00:23] <BUGabundo> I know
[00:23] <BUGabundo> I have a local one and Main
[00:23] <dtchen> Stonk: there's definitely a known issue resolved in 2.6.31.2 for NV SATA controllers
[00:23] <Stonk> super
[00:23] <dtchen> Stonk: you definitely need to be running it _before_ continuing to debug
[00:23] <Stonk> oh wait
[00:24] <Stonk> I'm not convinced it is nvidia sata drivers
[00:24] <dtchen> 2.6.31-13.43 has 2.6.31.3
[00:24] <Stonk> no, it's intel sata controllers
[00:24] <Stonk> ICH10
[00:25] <dtchen> Stonk: that's fine, you just need to start with that base kernel for debugging
[00:25] <dtchen> since the first thing we'll ask you to do is update to it ;)
[00:25] <Stonk> ok, but i can only get a base kernel by booting off cd right now. I didn't realise there was something akin to nightly isos
[00:26] <dtchen> cdimage.ubuntu.com
[00:26] <dtchen> please use zsync
[00:27] <Stonk> wow ok
[00:28] <Shirakawasuna> Hi.  Ian_Corne, thanks for the tip on updating, it fixed my issues.
[00:28] <jaysonsantos> Hello guys, my connection dropped and I don't know if my question was answered. Can I pass to postinstall of grub-pc the option --module radi ?
[00:29] <Stonk> i love the live cd. I was able to install nvidia drivers, modprobe, gdm restart, install skype-static and play tremulous off my usb harddisk. Loving it.
[00:29] <Shirakawasuna> I just tried to uninstall 'cheese', since my netbook has no webcam, but it's telling me that I won't receive netbook remix package updates if I proceed.  Is there a way to remove it without eliminating my ability to update, or am I misinterpreting the message?
[00:30] <dtchen> Shirakawasuna: it's a useful warning
[00:30] <dtchen> however it is just a warning
[00:31]  * Crashbit a dormí!
[00:31] <dtchen> Launchpad is sadly turning into a dumping ground for support requests
[00:31] <Shirakawasuna> dtchen: I think I understand what it's doing: it will remove the meta package and cheese, so my current packages will update but nothing added to the meta will be in my updates.
[00:31] <Shirakawasuna> dtchen: is that correct?
[00:31] <dtchen> Shirakawasuna: correct
[00:31] <Shirakawasuna> ok, cool
[00:32] <Shirakawasuna> it took me a couple seconds of writing it out to figure out what it means :D
[00:32] <Shirakawasuna> thanks
[00:34] <BUGabundo> dtchen: zsinc?
[00:34] <BUGabundo> I use rsync
[00:34] <BUGabundo> and now the servers changed
[00:34] <BUGabundo> now they are hosted on rsync.cdimage.u.....
[00:35] <dtchen> BUGabundo: rsync is pretty server-intensive
[00:35] <BUGabundo> did not know that
[00:36] <JanC> dtchen: is it useful to report the "poping" sounds caused by the combination of pulseaudio's "idle" behaviour & hda-intel power-saving as a bug?
[00:36] <dtchen> BUGabundo: hence, recommend the use of zsync, which is all client-side
[00:36] <BUGabundo> been using it for years
[00:36] <dtchen> JanC: yes. see also (LP: #440540, #445135, #447602)
[00:36] <BUGabundo> dtchen: but won't that mean it has too pull the entire file ?
[00:36] <JanC> dtchen: I'll have a look  ツ
[00:36] <dtchen> JanC: i.e., i know about it; a workaround for Karmic is in the alsa-base and linux-sound-base debs in our (ubunt-audio-dev) PPA
[00:37] <dtchen> ubuntu-audio-dev*
[00:37] <wirechief_> http://unixlab.blogspot.com/2009/10/downloading-ubuntu-910-beta-with-zsync.html   <<<a good place to see how zsync is used
[00:37] <DanaG> oh yeah, pulseaudio on hda-intel keeps dying -- to where it devours CPU and replaces audio with glitchy spastic garbage.
[00:37] <JanC> it's easy to fix: disable power saving  ;)
[00:37]  * BUGabundo reads
[00:37] <DanaG> Works fine on USB and BT, though.
[00:38] <dtchen> JanC: nah, you should be able to just disable resetting of the codec when it powers back up
[00:38] <mzz> anyone else using ecryptfs noticing files having 0 size according to ls -Ssh?
[00:38] <JanC> ah, well I guess I'll have to test that then
[00:38] <dtchen> JanC: e.g., sudo alsa force-unload && sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel power_save_controller=N
[00:38] <mzz> "stat" tells me "size" is non-zero but "Blocks" is 0
[00:39] <JanC> dtchen: I wrote 0 to /sys/module/snd_hda_intel/parameters/power_save which seemed to work too (for some time at least, didn't test for long)
[00:40] <dtchen> we don't want to disable powering down of codecs across the board; eventually this needs to be fixed in patch_{analog,cmedia,realtek}.c
[00:41] <dtchen> i know i need to twiddle all the nids, but i lack some data sheets
[00:41] <dtchen> and it would be a really poor idea to commit source changes this late that potentially impact a lot of HDA users
[00:44] <Olimpico> I have xubuntu 9.10 and installed Amarok, music doesn't play, but in the configure sound devices works, can someone help me?
[00:44] <BUGabundo> Olimpico: you just missed dtchen
[00:44] <BUGabundo> he's our resident sound guy :D
[00:45] <mo0nykit> Hello! I'm running 2.6.28-15-generic. But when I do "sudo update-initramfs -u", it complains that the "2.6.31.1-Custom" does not exist. Where can I find the update-initramfs config file which tells it what initrd img to look into? Here is my terminal output http://paste.ubuntu.com/289679/
[00:45] <dtchen> Olimpico: configure Phonon using System Settings to prefer PulseAudio if it is installed
[00:46] <dtchen> mo0nykit: pass -k to update-initramfs
[00:46] <dtchen> mo0nykit: e.g., sudo update-initramfs -u -k$(uname -r)
[00:46] <Shirakawasuna> hey, ubuntu one is pretty cool.  Is it basically .mac only awesomer?
[00:47] <foreverubun2> On Karmic Powerpc, firefox routinely hangs the entire system, and no apport logs are created. How do I report it?
[00:47] <BUGabundo> foreverubun2: ubuntu-bug PACKAGE
[00:48] <BUGabundo> is a start
[00:48] <BUGabundo> although since powerpc packages are community supported
[00:48] <foreverubun2> Shirakawasuna: .mac has more than storage. It's like dropbox.
[00:48] <BUGabundo> I'm not sure how does could be handled
[00:48] <Olimpico> dtchen, I did that, I selected from the phonon config PulseAudio, and nothing
[00:49] <mo0nykit> dtchen, okay thanks! That did it :) But here is a related cleaning-up problem. I only have 2.6.28-15-generic installed, but update-initramfs lists all the other initrd's which I have installed and now uninstalled. http://paste.ubuntu.com/289684/
[00:49] <foreverubun2> BUGabundo: Yeah, I don't want to annoy the official devs with Community supported releases. Should I just enter in that?
[00:49] <Olimpico> dtchen, when I test it from phonon it works, but then I play a song and it's not even played by amarok
[00:49] <mo0nykit> dtchen, How do I clean up the update-initramfs list of "available" initrd's
[00:50] <BUGabundo> foreverubun2: as long as you state clearly its PowerPC arch
[00:50] <BUGabundo> no one will have a prob with it
[00:50] <BUGabundo> and if need be, reasing properly
[00:50] <foreverubun2> BUGabundo: Thanks
[00:51] <dtchen> mo0nykit: see /var/lib/initramfs-tools/
[00:51] <BUGabundo> np
[00:51] <dtchen> Olimpico: wvhat types of files are you trying to play?
[00:51] <dtchen> what*
[00:52] <mo0nykit> dtchen, yes, I did an ls there. There they are. Should I rm the "foolish" initrd's ?
[00:52] <Olimpico> mp3
[00:52] <Olimpico> dtchen, mp3
[00:52] <Amaranth> mo0nykit: when in doubt rm ;)
[00:53] <dtchen> Olimpico: dpkg -l libxine1-ffmpeg|grep ^ii
[00:53] <Amaranth> mo0nykit: seriously though, if you don't have the kernels installed anymore you can rm the corresponding initrd
[00:53] <JanC> foreverubun2: ubuntuone is supposed to become more than storage too
[00:53] <Amaranth> JanC: you can already get evolution contact and firefox bookmark syncing if you install a couple packages
[00:54] <Amaranth> I believe tomboy notes as well
[00:54] <BUGabundo> JanC: im *still* waiting
[00:54] <JanC> yep
[00:54] <mo0nykit> Amaranth, this one is funny. In my /boot, I only have 2.6.28-15-generic. When I do a "sudo update-initramfs -d 2.6.31.1-kit". It complains... BUT...
[00:54] <foreverubun2> JanC: Cool. Didn't know that.
[00:54] <dtchen> JanC: please let me know if using power_save_controller=N works for your hardware
[00:55] <dtchen> i mean, i really wish we could ship 2.6.32, but it's just not possible
[00:55] <mo0nykit> Amaranth, I try to fool it by creating an empty text file "initrd.img-2.6.31.1-kit", then a "sudo update-initramfs -d 2.6.31.1-kit". Voila! Deleted! :)
[00:55] <JanC> dtchen: before or after installing the 2 packages from the audio-dev repo?
[00:55] <dtchen> JanC: well, the 2 packages just modfify /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf to add that ;)
[00:55] <dtchen> modify*
[00:55] <mo0nykit> Amaranth, in /var/lib/initramfs-tools, the entry for 2.6.31.1-kit is also GONE.. :)
[00:56] <mzz> hmm, I wonder if there's an ecryptfs channel. I'm wondering in what scenarios having my swap encrypted actually helps.
[00:56] <dtchen> (i guess technically only alsa-base is responsible...)
[00:56] <Amaranth> mzz: swap isn't wiped on power off
[00:56] <mzz> specifically: I can imagine it helping when the system is on but the screen is locked, but I'm not sure if it'd actually help on hibernate or not.
[00:56] <JanC> dtchen: so if I installed those packages, I only have to reload the module without that parameter?
[00:56] <mzz> no, wait, that's me being dumb.
[00:57] <Amaranth> mzz: you can't encrypt a suspend or hibernate image, how would you load it again?
[00:57] <mzz> yeah, exactly, like I said, me being dumb.
[00:57] <Amaranth> s/suspend or//
[00:57] <dtchen> JanC: if you installed those packages, you can just sudo alsa force-unload && sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[00:57] <mzz> so I think what I want is an encrypted hibernate image (currently hibernate simply isn't working)
[00:57] <mzz> encrypted with a passphrase I have to enter before it resumes
[00:57] <mzz> and I think I want swap wiped on poweroff
[00:57] <Amaranth> writing zeros to swap on power off is going to be expensive
[00:58] <mzz> at which point encrypted swap only still helps if the system is stolen while powered on with the screen locked, I think.
[00:58] <mzz> sure, but not more so than hibernate.
[00:58] <Amaranth> mzz: Sounds like what you really want it to download an alternative installer and start over using LUKS
[00:58] <mzz> and I'm only turning off the system at all because hibernate is broken.
[00:58]  * mzz ponders
[00:59] <mo0nykit> update-initramfs is now clean :) Thanks for the help guys!
[01:00] <Amaranth> dm-crypt with a password and a smart card would be awesome
[01:00] <mzz> I'm tempted to just consider ecryptfs with unencrypted swap good enough for my needs (especially given http://www.xkcd.com/538/ )
[01:00] <Olimpico> dtchen, thanks somehow after the update  libxine1-ffmpeg was removed
[01:00] <BUGabundo> mzz: like it wotn poweroff?
[01:00] <mzz> BUGabundo: what?
[01:00] <BUGabundo> mine is like that  on kernel .11 and .12
[01:01] <BUGabundo> used to work great before
[01:01] <BUGabundo> hibernate
[01:01]  * Amaranth hasn't tried hibernate lately
[01:01] <BUGabundo> resume from pm-suspend is also broken on my system
[01:01] <Amaranth> Haven't had a need for it
[01:01] <mzz> BUGabundo: I haven't actually debugged, but it seems to suspend just fine and then do a regular boot on resume. Which makes sense, since I can't imagine suspend doing something that makes any sense with my swap encrypted (using /dev/urandom as key)
[01:02] <dtchen> my craptastic bios corrupts memory upon resume from suspend-to-ram
[01:02] <Amaranth> mzz: hibernate actually wipes out the swap filesystem
[01:02] <mzz> BUGabundo: I think what's happening is suspend is writing the image to the encrypted partition, which can't be used to resume from since there's no way to decrypt it on boot (the key isn't known then, since it's random and only kept in ram)
[01:02] <Amaranth> mzz: afaik it writes directly (like dd)
[01:02] <BUGabundo> dtchen: mine worked fine all karmic cycle, up until now :(
[01:02] <BUGabundo> I hate beta and RC cycles
[01:02] <mzz> Amaranth: yeah, but I bet it's writing directly to the encrypted device, not to the underlying lvm device
[01:02] <BUGabundo> more stuff breakes then on alpha 1-3
[01:03] <Amaranth> mzz: so what you're probably missing is a resume=/dev/sda5 option in grub
[01:03] <Shirakawasuna> is it strange that it takes 10+ Mb of downloading to update my cache?
[01:03] <Leftmost> Karmic is in beta and has been using firefox-3.5 for some time now. Is there a reason it still doesn't have translations in the langpacks?
[01:03] <dtchen> you guys/gals are so hard to please
[01:03] <dtchen> first stuff isn't broken enough, now it's too broken
[01:03] <Amaranth> mzz: but if you're using ecryptfs it won't trip up on that
[01:03] <BUGabundo> dtchen: :)
[01:03] <Amaranth> dtchen: I know, right?
[01:03] <Amaranth> "this is karmic? everything works fine!"
[01:03] <Amaranth> "omg it won't even boot!"
[01:04] <BUGabundo> lolol
[01:04] <mzz> Amaranth: my ~ is ecryptfs'd. My swap is on /dev/mapper/cryptswap1, which is set up through /etc/crypttab, using /dev/urandom as "key file". I doubt suspend is smart enough to turn off that encrypted device and write the image to /dev/mapper/main-swap instead.
[01:05] <Amaranth> mzz: oh, I thought you were using ecryptfs for a swapfile too
[01:05] <BUGabundo> mzz: how do you plan to recover your data
[01:05]  * Amaranth wonders if resume from a swapfile even works
[01:05] <BUGabundo> once you have trouble with your system?
[01:05] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: It's swap...
[01:05] <mzz> Amaranth: also, it doesn't quite overwrite the entire swap partition, since by default the resume actually looks at the uuid of the swap partition (which means fun breakage if for whatever reason you rerun mkswap without updating the uuid in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume)
[01:05] <BUGabundo> Amaranth: AFAIK its not supported yet
[01:05] <mzz> BUGabundo: painfully.
[01:06] <BUGabundo> it was droped from Karmic blueprints
[01:06] <mzz> Amaranth: resume from a swap file is quite possible, but I have no idea if ubuntu's initramfs supports it.
[01:06] <Amaranth> mzz: I was playing with it back in jaunty
[01:06] <BUGabundo> mzz: kernel as only partial support
[01:06] <BUGabundo> AFAIK for a single page file
[01:07] <Amaranth> mzz: I dunno, I remember some time ago I had to add resume=/dev/sda5 to my boot line to make hibernate work
[01:07] <mzz> Amaranth: you can put your resume image anywhere you can get at it without having to write to the partitions (that are still marked dirty because the suspended system is using them)
[01:07] <Amaranth> mzz: otherwise it would just boot normally and my swap would be garbage I had to fix with mkswap
[01:07] <mzz> Amaranth: yeah, that sounds like what'd happen if you ran mkswap on it without updating the uuid I just mentioned, which is apparently how the initramfs normally finds it.
[01:07] <Amaranth> Maybe it all started when hibernate failed once *shrug*
[01:08] <BUGabundo> who knows
[01:08] <mzz> Amaranth: that's the neat thing about this userspace suspend/resume: you can really put the image anywhere *userspace* can get at it, as long as you're careful not to write to the filesystems that are in use by the suspended system between suspend and resume.
[01:09] <mzz> just requires some hairy initramfs logic to support weird cases, which I suspect ubuntu's initramfs doesn't have for weird encrypted setups
[01:09] <BUGabundo> mzz: if you say one more time "resume" in that sense
[01:09] <BUGabundo> *sentece
[01:09] <BUGabundo> the world would be over
[01:09] <BUGabundo> wb chrisccoulson
[01:09] <Amaranth> Are we using uswsusp?
[01:09] <BUGabundo> I am
[01:09] <Amaranth> I think that's the name :P
[01:09] <chrisccoulson> hey BUGabundo
[01:09] <BUGabundo> I like the crazy stats it does on hibernate and resume
[01:09] <mzz> Amaranth: I suspect so, yes.
[01:10] <BUGabundo> plus it uses compression
[01:10] <BUGabundo> so my 4GBs of ram get smaller
[01:10] <BUGabundo> but Distro Policy won't
[01:10] <BUGabundo> cause it still causes over 60% PC probs
[01:10] <Amaranth> compression is only useful is your CPU is so much faster than your disk the extra IO hurts more than the CPU time
[01:11] <BUGabundo> I bet so
[01:11] <BUGabundo> C2D 2.4 on a 5400 RPM disk
[01:11] <BUGabundo> that peaks at 59MB/s
[01:11] <BUGabundo> and susteined of 25MB/s
[01:12] <mzz> Amaranth: I should've mentioned: jaunty was sucessfully resuming from swap on lvm, which afaik implies uswsusp is used
[01:12] <Amaranth> mzz: ah, right
[01:13] <mzz> (and karmic's grub 2 is successfully booting a kernel from lvm, weeee)
[01:13] <BUGabundo> weeeee
[01:13] <BUGabundo> and isos
[01:13]  * mzz still thinks that's a pretty neat trick
[01:14] <mzz> next step: some kind of campaign to get lvm supported on the regular install cd
[01:14] <BUGabundo> but I wish hibernate was faster
[01:14] <BUGabundo> mine takes 90sec or more
[01:14] <dtchen> just get a new intel ssd
[01:14] <BUGabundo> eheh
[01:14] <BUGabundo> true
[01:15] <BUGabundo> but I already have 200GiBs of my 320GBs disk full
[01:15] <BUGabundo> SSDs are expenive for that much
[01:15] <BUGabundo> plus laptop doesn't handle two disk
[01:15] <BUGabundo> or I could go with SSD + HD
[01:16] <mzz> Amaranth: I think I'll just turn off encrypted swap, since I only encrypted my ~ because it was trivial and it's nice in case some regular thief steals my laptop. If someone really wants my data they have better ways to get it than fishing the key from swap, like hitting me over the head while I'm using the system, so I can't lock it
[01:16] <dtchen> JanC: if you installed those packages, you can just sudo alsa force-unload && sudo modprobe snd-hda-intelif i could afford it, i'd go new intel ssd for /lib, /etc, /usr and crappy rotary for everything else
[01:17] <dtchen> err, wtf
[01:18] <JanC> dtchen: should a reboot after installing alsa-base from the ubuntu-audio-dev PPA fix this *pop* issue completely?  (it didn't...)
[01:19] <mzz> (although I wouldn't mind a "null out unused swap while the system is used" button)
[01:19] <dtchen> JanC: sometimes it does require a complete powercycle
[01:20] <dtchen> JanC: different HDA codecs require different degrees of pounding
[01:20] <JanC> there seems to be less *pop*, but still *pop*
[01:20] <JanC> if that makes sense  :P
[01:20] <mzz> hmm, track what parts of swap are freed but not zeroed out yet, and zero them when the drive is idle? That sounds doable, but I doubt anyone cared enough to implement it)
[01:20] <mzz> it's not like I use a lot of swap, so it'd be pretty cheap
[01:21] <dtchen> mzz: that's pretty expensive, and i'd argue that you may just want to disable vm overcommit and swap completely in the time being
[01:21] <mzz> dtchen: it's free while you're not using swap, and it's still effectively free if you manage to be lazy enough about it (only doing it while the drive is idle)
[01:22] <mzz> and yes, I rarely use any swap at all
[01:22] <BUGabundo> mzz: doesn't some old part of the kernel require you to have a swap?
[01:22] <BUGabundo> even if it is a 4MBs one?
[01:22] <mzz> BUGabundo: I do have swap. In fact my desktop has vm overcommit disabled, which means I need a bunch of swap that's never used to back allocated but unused memory.
[01:23] <boondoklife> Anyone else have a black line in the notification area when empathy is active?
[01:23] <mzz> boondoklife: I saw a black line, but I haven't figured out under what circumstances it showed up yet.
[01:23] <dtchen> BUGabundo:  you don't need disk-backed swap at all
[01:23] <mzz> boondoklife: (it appeared and disappeared without me doing anything obvious, so I was suspecting update-notifier)
[01:23] <BUGabundo> dtchen: that I know
[01:23] <BUGabundo> but I remember reading even recently
[01:24] <BUGabundo> that some code of the kernel expects a swap
[01:24] <mzz> if there was some trick to encrypt the hibernate image with the login password of the user doing the hibernate I'd take that
[01:24] <boondoklife> Hmm mine seems to be there when I use empathy and get a notification of a message
[01:24] <BUGabundo> sure it can be a tempfs, ramdrive, swapfile, or disk based
[01:24] <mzz> boondoklife: I'm not currently using empathy
[01:25] <dtchen> mzz: we discussed it at the last UDS
[01:25] <luca> hi everyone again
[01:25] <boondoklife> Im gonna try and quit empathy and see if it does go away then re open it and see if it comes back. brb
[01:25] <dtchen> mzz: i presume dustin will resurface it again
[01:25] <luca> well this is sort of embarassing .. I need my fstab re-generated
[01:25] <mzz> dtchen: ah, neat. Always glad to hear I'm not crazy to think of things like that, or at least not the only crazy person :)
[01:26] <luca> does anyone know how to do that?
[01:26] <dtchen> mzz: well, it has been discussed at three prior UDSes
[01:26] <mzz> luca: I don't think there's a tool other than the installer that normally generates that file
[01:26] <JanC> dtchen: okay, I'll try a power cycle...
[01:26] <dtchen> JanC: make sure you leave it powered off for 2+ minutes, please
[01:27] <mzz> luca: so you just have to know your own partition layout and use either a text editor or some gui editor to recreate it
[01:27] <JanC> heh WTF?  :P
[01:27] <dtchen> sometimes i hate capacitors
[01:27] <mzz> luca: if the system is still running /etc/mtab will help figure out what's mounted where
[01:27] <luca> mzz: :-/ not an ideal case
[01:27] <JanC> they use capacitors to store configuration data? :P
[01:27] <BUGabundo> eheheh
[01:27] <BUGabundo> crazy idea
[01:27] <BUGabundo> lol
[01:27] <JanC> sounds like the 1940s to me
[01:27] <dtchen> JanC: codec data is cached, yes
[01:27] <luca> mzz: I am on a live pen right now, I guess I will have to chroot
[01:28] <dtchen> data are cached, rather
[01:28] <mzz> luca: no real need, as long as you know your layout.
[01:28] <luca> mzz: forget it, i said something foolish
[01:28] <luca> mzz: yeah sorry a bit late over here :)
[01:28] <mzz> luca: I'd pastebin you my fstab as a starting point, but I'm using lvm so it's a bit nonstandard.
[01:28] <luca> mzz: thanks anyway
[01:29] <NoelJB> mzz, someone needs an fstab?  criteria for it?
[01:30] <boondoklife> heh yup that is what does it for me, if i get a notification that black line pops up. time to file a report i guess =)
[01:31] <mzz> NoelJB: luca apparently needs one
[01:32] <NoelJB> mzz, I've got a few, including one from a clean install in a VM.  Anything specificc luca needs?
[01:33] <luca> NoelJB, mzz: yeah that's me. However, I was looking a bit at pysdm right now
[01:33] <NoelJB> luca, ok.  well, let us know if you need something.
[01:33] <Strogg_> anyone using beagle ?, i see sometimes the applet, but don't know how to get it all time
[01:34] <luca> NoelJB, mzz: in any case, standard fare here - one ext4 partition, one ntfs, swap to be created (long story)
[01:35] <luca> NoelJB: actually a fresh fstab suddenly looks like a good option, if you have a pastebin handy :)
[01:36] <quidnunc> When trying to run sudo do-release-upgrade -d I get "Building old list of packages... errors present. Is apt/dpkg running?" Anyone know what the problem is?
[01:36] <quidnunc> Or, how can I run do-release-upgrade with debug logging on?
[01:37] <mzz> has anyone noticed keyboard focus not being anywhere useful in gdm?
[01:37] <NoelJB> mzz, describe.
[01:38] <pilif12p> mzz: same one from moznet?
[01:38] <mzz> I boot, I see my name and an "other" entry on the screen, and I have to click one, instead of being able to just hit enter to pick me or start typing to pick someone else
[01:38] <mzz> pilif12p: yes
[01:38] <pilif12p> mzz: we meet again
[01:38] <NoelJB> mzz, ah, never tried.  I'll look next time I reboot.
[01:38]  * pilif12p hopes mzz remembers me
[01:39] <mzz> NoelJB: both worked yesterday or so, lemme check if there were any gdm upgrades recently
[01:39] <NoelJB> mzz, there were, as I recall.
[01:39] <JanC> dtchen: still the same as after the previous reboot
[01:39] <mzz> I don't recall changing anything relevant configuration-wise.
[01:39] <NoelJB> mzz, no, nothing since the 7th.
[01:40] <mzz> pilif12p: sumo, right? :)
[01:40] <pilif12p> mzz: yep.
[01:40] <pilif12p> nice to talk again
[01:40] <jaynty> Hello i'm trying to setup static ip in Karmic Koala Beta but it seems to be impossible
[01:40] <jaynty> always when i enter ip gateway etc and click on apply it goes back to automatic DHCP
[01:40] <mzz> huh, I'm pretty sure I actually had this work with 2.28.0-0ubuntu14
[01:40] <NoelJB> jaynty, it is possible, but there have been issues with earlier versions of network manager.  what problem are you having?
[01:41] <pilif12p> AaronMT too!?
[01:41] <pilif12p> Wow
[01:41] <JanC> dtchen: what's the disadvantage of disabling power-saving on a desktop anyway?
[01:41] <pilif12p> anyone else here from moznet :P
[01:41] <JanC> powr saving for intel-hda I mean
[01:41] <jaynty> NoelJB: I just want to setup my computer to an ip let's say 192.168.1.2
[01:41] <NoelJB> JanC, power consumption?
[01:41] <thiebaude> pilif12p, what is moznet?
[01:41] <pilif12p> thiebaude: mozilla irc network
[01:41] <thiebaude> pilif12p, cool
[01:42] <NoelJB> jaynty, yes, I understand.  what version of network manager and network-manager-applet do you have?
[01:42] <thiebaude> i'll have to check it out
[01:42] <jaynty> NoelJB: hmm howdo I check that? I have ubuntu karmic koala with all the latest updates
[01:42] <jaynty> NoelJB: this worked in jaunty
[01:43] <NoelJB> jaynty, OK, so that puts you around Oct 5 or so.
[01:43] <jaynty> NoelJB: yes i quess so
[01:43] <NoelJB> jaynty, if you are having problems with network management, you can add the network manager trunk ppa, see if you can reproduce the problem, and file a bug report if you can.
[01:44] <NoelJB> oh bother ... :-\  that d@mned invalid environment grub2 crap just hit my builder VM.
[01:44]  * mzz considers creating a bunch of silly patches to make the text color of stuff on the panel customizable
[01:45] <outbri> Thanks to whoever recommended me update to get multiple word tab complete working the other day .... finally got everything updated and it's happily working :)
[01:45]  * NoelJB is less and less pleased with grub2 ... NOT ready for prime time is putting it mildly!
[01:45] <mzz> NoelJB: I get that feeling (the "not ready for prime time" more from the support scripts than from the actual boot loader, but yes
[01:46] <thiebaude>  a couple of days ago i tried to install grub2 and it borked my system
[01:46] <mzz> NoelJB: it detecting my jaunty install but ignoring the fact it has a separate /boot partition was somewhat annoying, for example. And the way timeouts and the like are customized through /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober (huh?) is kinda weird
[01:47] <mzz> and for some reason I was expecting the install cd to set up a chainload to grub 1, which didn't happen
[01:47] <mzz> I'm not that annoyed though, since it's at least booting karmic off lvm just fine
[01:48] <NoelJB> mzz, you happen to know the work around for this idiocy (referring to the invalid environment block, not any human being)?
[01:48] <mzz> NoelJB: I haven't seen that one yet. What's the message, and what's the grub-pc version?
[01:48] <NoelJB> mzz, karmic works great, but my main system(s) use grub1.  I only have problems with grub2, which is how a clean install goes, hence in a VM.
[01:48] <NoelJB> mzz, ah ... hold one ...
[01:48] <mzz> NoelJB: I saw a comment in the changelog recently about it ignoring empty env blocks now, so make sure you're current.
[01:49] <NoelJB> mzz, bug 439784
[01:49] <NoelJB> still present.
[01:49]  * mzz is waiting for bugs.launchpad.net
[01:49] <NoelJB> mzz, well, first I have to get the VM booted.  And it was clean before.
[01:50] <NoelJB> and grub2 doesn't show me a menu in the VM, so I can't do the edit.
[01:50] <jaynty> NoelJB: ok well this is really weird that they would let this happen in the beta version
[01:50] <NoelJB> jaynty, karmic is the guinea pig for lucid.
[01:51] <jaynty> NoelJB: in english? :D
[01:51] <mzz> yep!
[01:51] <NoelJB> they want grub2 and upstart for lucid.
[01:51]  * mzz doesn't mind being used as a guinea pig that much, but hopes lucid will be solid, since he'll be upgrading family members to it
[01:52] <NoelJB> karmic is solid for me.  much MUCH better than jaunty.
[01:52] <mzz> NoelJB: fresh install, right? I haven't actually read the entire bug, but iiuc you can hit this using the grub-pc from the install cd
[01:52] <thiebaude> NoelJB, you think when lucid comes comes out synaptic will be no more?
[01:52] <NoelJB> thiebaude, ENCLUE
[01:52] <NoelJB> ENOCLUE
[01:52] <mzz> and sure, karmic's mostly ok so for, a few ui nits that bug me, more nits in the grub to grub2 upgrade
[01:53] <thiebaude> i sure love the software center
[01:53] <mzz> heh, I keep forgetting that's a big deal, since I'm mostly a commandline kind of guy
[01:53] <NoelJB> mzz, is there a key to force the menu to appear?
[01:53] <mzz> NoelJB: holding shift might help, but I don't remember what kind of grub.cfg you have fresh out of the installer
[01:54] <mzz> NoelJB: I'd consider booting off the installcd or the like and manually fixing up grub.cfg, just so you can boot into karmic, make sure you have the latest grub-pc and grub-common, and fix things properly if still necessary
[01:54] <NoelJB> nope.  neither shift key  :-\
[01:54] <NoelJB> I can mount the virtual disk and fix it manually.
[01:54] <mzz> or that
[01:55] <Chriz> do u guys think i will run into any issues running x64?
[01:56] <mzz> Chriz: are you currently running an older x86_64 ubuntu?
[01:56] <NoelJB> mzz, putting together an alternative installer for grub1 is looking a better and better idea.
[01:56] <Chriz> mzz, no
[01:56] <Chriz> mzz, i am running x86 but i am going to redo my entire system
[01:57] <mzz> Chriz: I'm not on x86_64 myself (my hardware's that ancient) but haven't heard of any new issues, which means just the continuing problem of many blobs lacking 64 bit support
[01:58] <Chriz> is there any issues with flash still (if i recall there was a flash issue...)
[01:59] <hunger__> hi everyone
[01:59] <mzz> Chriz: adobe has at least a 64 bit beta out now, but I haven't checked if it's kept current. I'd expect open source flash to work as well or as poorly as it does in 32 bit.
[01:59] <sabat> so, I attempted the ubuntu 9.10 upgrade [slap me freely if you feel like it] and it crashed... when it boots up now I get no video, not even console... any ideas?
[01:59] <kruykaze> my remote desktop viewer is not working
[01:59] <mzz> Chriz: oh, and while firefox runs you won't be getting tracemonkey (the fast js interpreter) just yet (it'll be in 3.6)
[02:00] <NoelJB> mzz, OK, I am looking at the bug report.  I should already have that version, and it is still broken.
[02:00] <hunger__> so far I've found the adobe 64 alpha for flash to be just as stable, if not more stable
[02:00] <NoelJB> mzz, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/439784/comments/15
[02:00] <hunger__> I'm unaware of a beta though
[02:00] <NoelJB> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root       0 2009-10-08 00:56 grubenv
[02:00] <mzz> NoelJB: I wonder if just removing that env file (or replacing it with an empty file) would be considered acceptable by grub
[02:01] <hunger__> has anyone been able to get audio over HDMI working?  I can't find the configuration for it to even test.  The most I've found via google are a few bug reports that's it
[02:01] <mzz> NoelJB: just checking: your message is at boot time, from grub itself?
[02:01] <Polterge|st> hello all what is the current status of ubuntu
[02:01] <Polterge|st> is pulseaudio and that annoying gnome workspace switcher bug fixed yet ?
[02:02] <mzz> NoelJB: http://129.125.102.164/m/grubenv is my grubenv (as you can see it's a plain text file with nothing interesting in it, so perhaps just drop that one in and see what happens?)
[02:02] <mzz> Polterge|st: I am currently listening to music and can switch workspaces, fwiw
[02:02] <mzz> Polterge|st: (referring to "that one bug" rarely works)
[02:03] <Polterge|st> mzz: well I remember at alpha 5 stage pulseaudio was working for me when I last tried
[02:03] <Polterge|st> I was still having problems with totem
[02:03] <Polterge|st> and then the workspace switching in gnome had the columns and rows stuck at 0
[02:03] <hunger__> so far everything is working for me
[02:03] <dai1313> mmkay, i need help... i recently upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 and i lost my virtual terminals(the control alt f1 thing)
[02:03] <hunger__> i'm not using gnome though, i'm in xfce
[02:04] <mzz> dai1313: is X also using 100% cpu? If it is: log out, log back in, try again.
[02:04] <NoelJB> mzz, it IS empty.  that's the bug.  I deleted it, and will try to boot now.
[02:04] <NoelJB> mzz, nope, that's not good enough.
[02:04] <Polterge|st> I have alpha 5 on my other system but I need to reconfigure all of my packages and update my other system when Karmic becomes final
[02:04] <Polterge|st> I'm eagerly awaiting Lucid Lynx
[02:04] <dai1313> mzz: not the case
[02:05] <mzz> drat
[02:05] <mzz> dai1313: I just tried switching virtual terminals and apparently stuff locked up
[02:06] <mzz> dai1313: I take that back. I get a very colorful but useless screen, and it fixes itself if I alt+f7 back to X. Curiously my music stops playing until I switch back.
[02:06] <jaynty> LOL.. the static ip was really a bug in karmic koala
[02:06] <jaynty> they really need to fix this in the final release
[02:06] <dai1313> mzz: when i switch to them the screen goes all awkwardly colorful like when i overclock while stepping to high... and when i type stuff on blindly the commands exicute
[02:06] <dai1313> mzz:just like u
[02:07] <mzz> dai1313: this is using the openchrome X driver
[02:08] <dai1313> mzz: explain...
[02:08] <hunger__> switching terminals works here
[02:08] <mzz> dai1313: grep drivers /var/log/Xorg.0.log, which one are you using?
[02:08] <mzz> (should see only one being loaded that isn't also unloaded)
[02:09] <mzz> it's openchrome here, and it seems likely this is a bug in that driver
[02:09] <dai1313> mzz: 1 sce
[02:09] <dai1313> *sec
[02:10] <dai1313> (WW) AllowEmptyInput is on, devices using drivers 'kbd', 'mouse' or 'vmmouse' will be disabled.
[02:10] <dai1313> (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//nvidia_drv.so
[02:10] <NoelJB> mzz, got it fixed.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/439784/comments/18
[02:10] <NoelJB> can't believe that's undecided priority.  if karmic goes out with this problem, the grub is going to hit the fan.
[02:11] <mzz> NoelJB: it does seem dumb to not just ignore the file if it's invalid (is there anything critical saved in it?)
[02:12] <NoelJB> mzz, seems this is colin's, and upstream's, problem to solve.
[02:12] <NoelJB> but the bootloader had better be rock stable solid or we have serious problems.
[02:13] <mzz> NoelJB: I care less about how the file ended up invalid than about the boot process being this fragile
[02:13] <NoelJB> mzz, I concur.
[02:14] <mzz> grub2's pretty flexible, it'd be useful if it dropped you to half a screen of instructions and a prompt on failure instead of dying, and it could try one or more fallback boot attempts before it does that
[02:16] <mzz> hunger__: what driver?
[02:16] <hunger__> mzz, sorry, Nvidia *.190.32
[02:16] <hunger__> yeah its beta :D, the older 18x's didn't have it either
[02:16] <dai1313> mzz: is there a way i can install an alternate driver on my computer?
[02:17] <mzz> dai1313: I'm not familiar with the current nvidia driver situation
[02:17] <dai1313> mmmkay thanks for the help
[02:17] <mzz> (and I could be wrong about it being its fault, although it seems likely)
[02:18] <dai1313> yea... oh one more thing... if i boot single user it still works
[02:18] <hunger__> dai1313, which nvidia driver you using? i'm using the *.190.32 (beta) and have used all the others, i can switch terms just fine
[02:18] <dai1313> how do i tell?
[02:19] <hunger__> nvidia-settings
[02:19] <hunger__> on the first screen it'll say driver version, are you using the drivers from nvidia or the ones from repos?
[02:20] <dai1313> hunger_: 96.43.13 is the version it seems
[02:20] <donaldo> hello
[02:21] <hunger__> dai, hrmmm i think those are the ones from repo's i quit using the restricted drivers a long time ago for nvidia at least, i've only used the proprietary ones from nvidia now
[02:22] <dai1313> hunger_: ill swich and see what happens thanks bunches
[02:24] <mzz> hey, an xserver upgrade
[02:24] <NoelJB> mzz, yes.  although when I first saw your command, I thought "uh, this isn't an Apple support channel"  :-)
[02:25] <NoelJB> s/command/comment/
[02:25]  * mzz doesn't have any apple
[02:25] <dotblank> wow 680 updates..
[02:25] <NoelJB> dotblank, been a while?
[02:25] <dotblank> 1 gig of updates
[02:26] <dotblank> This is what happens when you get a girlfriend
[02:27] <dotblank> yea its been a while
[02:29] <dotblank> I serously wonder if my computer will even work after these updates
[02:30]  * mzz isn't sure how well tracking ubuntu+1 and updating infrequently works
[02:33] <dotblank> so is blueman going to be in karmic?
[02:33] <NoelJB> only if their manager lets them perform.
[02:34] <mzz> shrug, it's in universe but not installed here
[02:34] <Guest15917> I got a Question about the new Indicator Applet, And Evolution E-Mail Client... "How do I minimize Evolution to the Indicator Applet and Not the Task Bar, so i can have it still running and updating my E-Mail list, also how do i have it send me a notification that i received a new E-Mail, in a Notification Block, like Empathy does when i get a incoming message or like when i turn my Volume up and down...
[02:34] <mzz> (why are you asking? Did you know you can ask packages.ubuntu.com?)
[02:34] <dotblank> im running it atm on 9.04 it is a huge improvement
[02:34] <mzz> Guest15917: I was wondering the same thing
[02:34] <Guest15917> mzz: you too huh ? lol
[02:35] <mzz> Guest15917: I haven't found an answer yet, other than just leaving it around on a different workspace
[02:35]  * mzz isn't sure yet what to think of this indicator stuff. The architecture seems a bit odd, but he may be missing a point
[02:35] <Guest15917> mzz: i guess that is a work around, but a pain-in-the-ass work around and not much of a solution...
[02:36] <mzz> for those who disagree about the architecture being odd: bzr get lp:indicator-applet && diff -u indicator-applet/src*/applet-main.c
[02:37] <mzz> (especially the last hunk of that)
[02:38] <Guest15917> the Indicator Applet is a AWESOME and POWERFUL new feature, BUT it could use a bit more work and have options added to it...  I.E.  Minimize Evolution E-Mail Client to it... Notification's like the Volume and Empathy Notifications, and the option to ADD other programs to it, like say you dont like Evolution and want to use Thunderbird, ect... you want to use Kopete, or Pidgin, instead of Empathy...
[02:38] <mzz> Guest15917: hooking up other clients to the applet is planned, according to a blueprint I saw for it.
[02:38] <mzz> Guest15917: I don't know how minimizing apps to it is supposed to work
[02:39] <mzz> Guest15917: imho ideally you wouldn't actually have evo *running*, you'd just have a new mail check running with message counts appearing in the applet, and a way to launch the full client from there
[02:39] <Guest15917> mzz: thats cool but what about minimizing to it ? and having it notify you of changes ect..
[02:39] <Chriz> Guest15917, please do not send big blobs of text @ my screen you don't need to use so many words to say awesome app, would be nice to have a notification on new emails any ideas on  how to do this...
[02:39] <mzz> I just don't know what the plan is in that area.
[02:40] <mzz> Chriz: just be glad he's not using enter-as-punctuation!
[02:40] <Guest15917> mzz: thats what im talking about it wont be running, saving processor speed, just have a new mail check running updating and sending you a notification
[02:41] <Guest15917> Chriz: you explain things your way i will explain things my way. deal with it.
[02:41] <Chriz> mzz, giving him ideas is not a good idea...
[02:42] <Guest15917> i kind of like the new set up tho in 9.10... i actually hated 9.04 compared to 8.10... this one is a great improvement
[02:43] <Chriz> do u guys think 40gb would be big enough for windows and the rest linux?
[02:43] <Guest15917> okay, well i guess you answered my question @ mzz thanks...
[02:43] <Chriz> i need windows for office and visual studio
[02:43] <Guest15917> whoaaa.... Chriz...
[02:44] <NoelJB> mzz, what is interesting is that I've had this happen several times with my Ubuntu VM, but never with my Kubuntu VM.  I wonder if they do anything differently.   I know that there are some package management differences, e.g., kubuntu cleans up old kernels, ubuntu does onot.
[02:44] <Chriz> Guest15917, whoaa?, its only a 500gb hd...
[02:44] <mzz> NoelJB: the "cleans up old kernels" (lack of it) bugs me in ubuntu
[02:44] <Chriz> lol, i have like 20 kernels on my system
[02:44] <mzz> Chriz: I have windows xp, jaunty and karmic installed on a 40gb hd (it's getting upgraded soon)
[02:45] <NoelJB> Chriz, yes, but you also like windows :-p
[02:45] <mzz> Chriz: so yes, 40gb is enough :)
[02:45] <Chriz> ive used the same ubuntu install since 6.10
[02:45] <Guest15917> is it vista or XP ? Chriz, because i got Vista dual booted and after the updates ect... i had it on a 60gb partition and had maybe 15gb left, not much room for iTunes, the only application i use Vista for... (damn iPhones....)
[02:45] <Chriz> Guest15917, 7
[02:45] <Chriz> XD
[02:46] <Guest15917> is windows 7 Bloated like Vista ?
[02:46] <Chriz> i like it better
[02:46] <wastrel> windows is bad
[02:46] <Chriz> i won't install vista...
[02:46] <Chriz> yes windows is bad but 7 is not as bad :P
[02:46] <Guest15917> I wish i didnt install Vista... lol
[02:46] <Chriz> i have msdnaa so i get xp-7 free :D
[02:46] <NoelJB> guys, much as I enjoy Vista bashing, its OT.
[02:46] <Guest15917> So windows 7 is not as bloated as Vista... thants good...
[02:47] <ghendar> !offtopic
[02:47] <Chriz> NoelJB, true bashing other os's is not on topic
[02:47] <NoelJB> LOL but it is fun.  yes, I know.
[02:47] <Chriz> XD
[02:48] <Guest15917> lol wow Chriz... you just whisper the word windows around here and the Ubuntu'ers start getting fragile and threatened...
[02:48]  * mzz groans
[02:48] <mzz> what part of "offtopic" is not clear
[02:49] <cabrey> anybody else having issues with the nvidia proprietary drivers and the new xserver in karmic?
[02:49] <Guest15917> if someone says the word windows, thier is no need to say "windows sucks" or just start MS Bashing... we are here because we use linux... and probably dont care for windows in the first place...
[02:50] <Guest15917> ohh yeah off topic ...
[02:50] <Guest15917> :P
[02:50] <NoelJB> cabrey, no.  I have 185.36 and today's x-server updates.
[02:50] <cabrey> compiz is *reaaaaaaaaly* slow
[02:51] <Guest15917> compiz has always been reeeeaaaallllyyy slow...
[02:51] <cabrey> I tried all three versions offered by jockey
[02:51] <cabrey> Guest15917, no it hasn't... it's hardware accelerated that's the point
[02:52] <NoelJB> cabrey, hmm ... I just ran a few tests, and I think you're right.  rotating the desktop cube just got REALLY slow.  not that I really think it needs to blaze, but it usually does.
[02:52] <Guest15917> cabrey: its always lagged on my box, ever sence 8.09 its lagged.
[02:52] <NoelJB> cabrey, but I'm not seeing anything I use commonly slow down.  what do you see slower?
[02:52] <cabrey> NoelJB, well I mean I can't even use the computer and had to revert to 9.04
[02:53] <Chriz> anyway to speed up a 200gb file transfer over usb?
[02:53] <ransom> hey guys, i having trouble loading the karmic beta on my eee pc 701.  It will load all the way until GDM should pop up, and all i get is a mouse cursor and nothing else.
[02:53] <NoelJB> cabrey, oh, not, not that bad at all.
[02:53] <cabrey> btw lspci is reporting that I have a "Quadro NVS 110M/GeForce Go 7300"
[02:53] <cabrey> if that helps at all...
[02:53] <NoelJB> Chriz, yes, use eSATA.  :-p  USB will only go so fast.
[02:54] <NoelJB> which is why I always buy dual interface housings.  USB for compatiblity, eSATA for performance (and S.M.A.R.T. support)
[02:54] <Chriz> i am only getting 20mb/s :(
[02:54] <cabrey> that's a pretty good speed tbh
[02:54] <NoelJB> Chriz, your point?  I'd not expect to see anything faster than 24MB *max*
[02:55] <Chriz> NoelJB, i kinda would like 50 :D
[02:55] <NoelJB> Chriz, and I'd like a pony.
[02:55] <Guest15917> Karmic 9.10 has anyone ran into this Issue yet ? when i plug in my External HDD (1TB Seagate) it takes a LONG LONG LONG time in order to access it. Compared to 9.04 it recognized it almost instantly and i could access it...
[02:55] <Chriz> NoelJB, if u get a pony i get a liger :D
[02:55] <Leftmost> Karmic is in beta and has been using firefox-3.5 for some time now. Is there a reason it still doesn't have translations in the langpacks?
[02:56] <NoelJB> eSATA.  And (to make this somewhat on-topic), Karmic supports eSATA nicely.  By the way, karmic transfers about 75% faster than jaunty for me, disk to disk.
[02:56] <mzz> NoelJB: huh, where's that speedup coming from?
[02:57] <legend2440> todays update of usplash from 5.4.0 to 5.4.1 caused my ctrl+alt +F1-F6 tty's to stop working. No login prompt. i think this has something to do with nvidia card somehow. any one else seen this?
[02:57] <NoelJB> mzz, heck if I know, but I can reproduce it at will.  I do backups with rsync (disk to disk) and both rsync and dstat agree on the speedup.
[02:57] <mzz> legend2440: we had someone else report fancy broken colors on ctrl+alt+fx-ing
[02:57] <mzz> unfortunately he left this channel (it was dai1313)
[02:57] <mzz> not everyone with nvidia hardware is seeing this
[02:57] <NoelJB> mzz, disk to disk, I see ~30MB/s on jaunty, and 50MB/s on karmic.  consistently.
[02:58] <mzz> NoelJB: weird, but yay
[02:58] <legend2440> mzz: ok thanks
[02:58] <ransom> has anyone else had problems loading karmic from a usb thumb drive?
[02:58] <hunger__> anyone been able to get audio over HDMI to work? (nvidia)
[02:58] <Guest15917> Anyone else notice a HUGE slow down in 9.10 when connecting a USB External HDD compared to 9.04 ?
[02:58] <mzz> Guest15917: looked at dmesg to see if there's anything interesting in its timestamps?
[02:59] <Chriz> was the unmount issue fixed on external hd's?
[03:01] <NoelJB> Chriz, which unmount issue?
[03:02] <Chriz> NoelJB, i remember when i was using 8.10 (the drive died before 9.04 came out..) it would never unmount external drives someone hacked a nautlis right click script for it
[03:03] <NoelJB> Chriz, I've never had that problem, but I spend half my time in xterms, and tend to use them for such tasks.
[03:14] <MTecknology> NoelJB: ever tried terminator?
[03:14] <webbb82> hey im running karmic with kde and well two things i dont have my wifi working but also in the menu under computer i dont have a settings folder i have no system settings
[03:14] <NoelJB> MTecknology, no
[03:15] <chu_> Afternoon all
[03:16] <NoelJB> webbb82, there are some known problems with kubuntu karmic's wifi.  seems that the applet isn't behaving quite right.  bug 444262 and similar
[03:16] <MTecknology> NoelJB: try it - if you spend 1/2 your life in terminals, this is the perfect tool
[03:16] <mzz> MTecknology: or use a fullblown tiling wm
[03:16] <MTecknology> mzz: icky..
[03:16] <Zhane> guys... how do i solve the problem of having "No Wubildr" when i use wubi to install karmic?
[03:16] <webbb82> but why dont i have a settings menu
[03:17] <NoelJB> MTecknology, this?  http://software.jessies.org/terminator/  the only thing appealing is that I could hack on it in java.
[03:18] <mzz> NoelJB: I think he meant the "apt-cache show terminator|grep Homepage" one :)
[03:18] <Dr_Willis> Theres 2 programs called 'terminator'
[03:18] <NoelJB> LOL
[03:19] <Dr_Willis> one is an old os-x i think.. Java ssh type client
[03:19] <mzz> well, I assumed he meant that one
[03:19] <Dr_Willis> other is what i use now.. Its a gnome-termional+python script that puts terminals embeded into a single window
[03:19] <MTecknology> NoelJB: https://launchpad.net/terminator
[03:19] <Dr_Willis> !info terminator
[03:19] <NoelJB> that one's even less appealing than the java one.
[03:19] <Spirit-Sight> I don't have icon in my tray for empathy, anyone having this issue?
[03:19] <Dr_Willis> I use it all the time NoelJB . i find it very handy
[03:20] <Zhane> :S
[03:20] <Zhane> anyone can help me with Wubi installation? i kept on getting "No Wubildr"
[03:21] <Dr_Willis> I think the best adice for wubi is to avoide it. :()
[03:21] <Zhane> sheesh
[03:21] <Zhane> i dont wan do dual boot
[03:21] <Zhane> :S
[03:21] <Zhane> the normal type that is
[03:21] <oldude67> zhane then virtual boot
[03:21] <Zhane> can..
[03:21] <Zhane> but doesnt serve any pt
[03:21] <Zhane> lol
[03:21] <Zhane> i'm trying to use it as a more 'secure' way
[03:22] <Zhane> of doing banking
[03:22] <MTecknology> !enter | Zhane
[03:22] <oldude67> encryption is good.
[03:22] <Dr_Willis> Virtualbox is much safer/easier i find then fighting with Wubi
[03:22] <Dr_Willis> You basically DO 'dual' boot with wubi also..
[03:22] <MTecknology> virtualbox is awesome
[03:23] <oldude67> Dr_Willis, me too.
[03:23] <Zhane> Dr_Willlis: ya.. but wubi's is more removable
[03:23] <MTecknology> wubi will make ubuntu suffer when windows fragments
[03:23] <Dr_Willis> I find wubi LESS removeable...
[03:23] <mzz> I don't really see much point in wubi since the partitioner can usually shrink your windows partition just fine
[03:23] <Zhane> hmm if im to install a normal dual boot
[03:23] <mzz> (I don't know what wubi's bootloader setup is like though, and if it offers any advantages over grub there)
[03:23] <MTecknology> mzz: when people aren't sure if they want to commit - it can be nice
[03:23] <Dr_Willis> Ive seen many a people fighting getting the windows/wubi stuff booting properly..
[03:23] <Zhane> how easy will it be to remove it?
[03:24] <MTecknology> mzz: wubi doesn't have a bootloader - it adds an entry for the windows loader
[03:24] <Dr_Willis> delete/remake/reformat parittions.. boot windows cd - restore windows boot loader.
[03:24] <mzz> MTecknology: that's still a bootloader :)
[03:24] <Dr_Willis> wubi = has an 'add/remove' entry in the programs stuff..
[03:24] <Amaranth> Zhane: as simple as booting the installer again, deleting the ubuntu partitions, resizing the windows one to make it full size again, then rebooting
[03:25] <MTecknology> mzz: but it's not "wubi's bootloader"
[03:25] <Amaranth> Zhane: oh, and booting the windows install disc to reinstall the windows bootloader, right
[03:25] <Zhane> Amaranth: u are talking about wubi?
[03:25] <Amaranth> Zhane: no, regular dual boot
[03:25] <mzz> MTecknology: perhaps I worded that poorly. I meant a bootloader is necessary involved, and didn't know how wubi set up that bootloader (being one it installed or one it reconfigured)
[03:25]  * ghendar <3 git ;)
[03:25] <Amaranth> with wubi you just go to programs and features control panel and uninstall it
[03:25] <mzz> ok, I have to admit that's easier, assuming it works reliably
[03:25] <Zhane> hmm.. normal dual boot.. i just put in my windows disc to reinstall?
[03:25] <MTecknology> ghendar: I need to learn git someday - when time presents itself
[03:26] <Amaranth> mzz: grub4dos chainloaded from the windows bootloader
[03:26] <ghendar> MTecknology, massively awesome for everything
[03:26] <mzz> I guess that's actually an advantage then, since it seems unlikely that breaks your windows boot
[03:26] <Zhane> yea
[03:26] <mzz> unfortunately as far as I can tell from irc (#ubuntu when I was still there) it relatively frequently breaks wubi's boot
[03:26] <Zhane> I dont really have my Windows Disc.. so its e safest for me
[03:27] <MTecknology> ghendar: I like bzr for simplicity; but I know git is nice and fast - I think cvs sucks for everything
[03:27] <Dr_Willis> Not like its hard to find a windows disk...
[03:27] <mzz> I just use a combo of windows chainloaded from grub and a separate windows install in virtualbox myself
[03:27] <Dr_Willis> or some other tool to repair the mbrs
[03:27] <Zhane> Dr_willis.. im running from laptop :S
[03:27] <mzz> yeah, don't learn cvs unless you absolutely have to, to deal with an existing project that won't upgrade
[03:28] <Dr_Willis> Zhane:  so?
[03:28] <ghendar> Zhane, are you worried about getting your MBR back?
[03:28] <mzz> svn, bzr, hg and git are all better
[03:28] <Zhane> if I'm to do a proper dual boot... does my 2nd partition need to be blank?
[03:28] <mzz> Zhane: I don't follow
[03:28] <Zhane> i'm worried about losing my data
[03:28] <mzz> Zhane: the installer won't wipe partitions without warning you first
[03:28] <Dr_Willis> If you are worried about data loss.. BACK IT UP.
[03:28] <Zhane> I have C: which is having Windows, D: which stores some files
[03:28] <Dr_Willis> Your hard drive could die at any time..
[03:28] <Dr_Willis> You will want to resize your drives to have a section 'unallocated' is the easy way.
[03:29] <Zhane> hmm that's probably the safest way
[03:29] <Dr_Willis> You could move everything from D: to c: then delete D:
[03:29] <mzz> Zhane: a regular ubuntu install wants at least one partition for itself. You can use the installer to create a new partition (making room by shrinking an existing one) or format an existing one
[03:29] <Zhane> icic
[03:29] <Zhane> minimum is 5gb?
[03:29] <mzz> Zhane: moving everything from d: to c: seems easiest, but I agree with Dr_Willis that if you aren't confident you should back up everything important
[03:29] <Dr_Willis> Or just play with Ubuntu in Virutalbox - No damage to the system at all.. no messing with the bootloader.
[03:30] <mzz> Zhane: I'd prefer having a bit more space (currently running it in 8G, which I'm filling up with my own stuff)
[03:30] <ghendar> MTecknology, I have several servers with their /etc under git and can update them all with a single command  ;)
[03:30] <Zhane> @Dr_Willis... i've been playing it for a while already... since ubuntu 8.04
[03:30] <MTecknology> ghendar: not sure why that makes sense - but ok
[03:31] <oldude67> mzz, i have 40 gig just for home on mine, and sometimes i wonder if thats enough.
[03:31] <mzz> oldude67: my desktop's /home is several GB, and my media collection is much more than that. Ubuntu's currently just on a laptop, with less crap in /home
[03:31] <mzz> (still enough that I'll be upgrading that drive soon)
[03:31] <Dr_Willis> I got 8gb in just wallpapers ive commected...
[03:32] <Dr_Willis> collected
[03:32] <ghendar> MTecknology, most importantly it's for a record of changes, but it helps that I can make one change locally and then push it out to all of them at the same time
[03:32] <Zhane> gtg... thanks guys
[03:33] <mzz> ghendar: I don't version an entire /etc, but I have a bunch of my homedir's dotfiles versioned, using symlinks into a checkout
[03:33] <oldude67> i put all of my pictures and movies of the kids when they was younger on an old 20 gig hard drive and that is where they stay. but i have them on disk as well.
[03:33] <mzz> it's convenient, and allows me to maintain local tweaks and merge them with updates to the main version
[03:34] <mzz> oldude67: I don't trust hds for backups
[03:34] <MTecknology> ghendar: they pull every night or something?
[03:34] <mzz> oldude67: at least not if that's your only backup, and you don't use the drive every now and then
[03:34] <ghendar> mzz, I have that as well. My bash is uber customized
[03:34] <oldude67> mzz, me either thats why i have them on disk as well.
[03:34] <MTecknology> ghendar: mostly backup, but then lets you change local and not need to go into the system and do it?
[03:34] <mzz> yeah, that makes more sense
[03:35] <mzz> oldude67: just make sure you check (doesn't have to be often, but still) that both backups are still readable
[03:35] <ghendar> MTecknology, I'm in sync with them locally at all times, so yes it works asa  backup too
[03:35] <oldude67> mzz, oh i do, i would die if i lost all of them, stopped using film when digital cameras first came out and all of my pictures are on disks.
[03:36] <MTecknology> ghendar: that makes it make more sense - you made it sounds like you have every /etc/ the same
[03:36] <mzz> oldude67: yeah, similar here
[03:36] <oldude67> mzz, even went to as far as putting them in a fireproof box as well.
[03:37] <mzz> oldude67: hd-sized fireproof boxes are hard to find :(
[03:37] <oldude67> my dad an old dos hacker, always told me if you have any doubt, back it up.
[03:38] <Dr_Willis> then you end up with stacks of floppy/cd/dvd/external hard drives.... that youii forget whats on...
[03:38] <mzz> yep, version control rules
[03:38] <Dr_Willis> then years later you plug them in to see what you though twas impoirnatnat 10 yrs ago.
[03:38] <mzz> I cleaned out my main homedir's ~/src recently, it was amusing like that
[03:39] <mzz> "did *I* write that? what was I *thinking*?"
[03:39] <oldude67> Dr_Willis, thats what perminant marker is for..lol
[03:39] <ghendar> MTecknology, no, there are differences, but I have it scripted so I can update certain parts all at once
[03:39] <Dr_Willis> oldude67:  then theres label/line drawh through it.. another label below it.. then a few at an angle...
[03:39] <oldude67> yup
[03:39] <oldude67> lmao
[03:39] <ghendar> mzz, view the log... it should tell you what you were thinking ;)
[03:39] <Dr_Willis> I got one of those little Label Printer gizmos now. :)
[03:40] <DanaG> Might be good to have off-site backups of the really important stuff.
[03:40] <mzz> ghendar: this was from before I found out about version control (that's why it was all in my ~/src to begin with)
[03:40] <KnifeySpooney> Hi, I just rebooted after installing updates on Karmic, and now my machine is unbootable. I don't think anything awful has happened because in the console it gives me a bootchart post-boot error, then it says "cannot mount filesystem"
[03:40] <mzz> ghendar: it was from after I found out about comments though
[03:40] <KnifeySpooney> How can I uninstall bootchart from my harddisk through an Ubuntu livecd?
[03:41] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. It really Bites how Flash videos you full screen MUST keep the focus.. on this dual monitor layout.. i click to type here.. flash vid goes unfullscreened...
[03:41] <DanaG> Heck, if I even try to use my volume control keys... Flash quits fullscreen.
[03:41] <DanaG> And half the time, Flash then freezes.  And takes firefox with it, thanks to no longer using nspluginwrapper.
[03:42] <jbuncher> anyone know if there's a way to keep the osd notification from the BIOS from popping up when the screen brightness is altered in karmic?
[03:42] <DanaG> hmm, the only laptops I've seen with a BIOS-based OSD, are Gateway.
[03:42] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.  cant recall ive seen a bios based OSD.
[03:43] <jbuncher> DanaG, yup, this is a Gateway
[03:43] <ghendar> jbuncher, ewww... gateway.. get an 8 foot ladder... climb to the top with it and let it go (the laptop that is, no the ladder)
[03:44] <DanaG> I had a 17" one... lid cracked right down the middle.  And then the screen failed.
[03:44] <DanaG> And that cracked just from putting it in my bag / backpack.
[03:44] <ghendar> quality
[03:45] <jbuncher> ghendar, this one has been perfect, so if you'll stop suggesting that I throw my purchases off a roof, I'll not tell you what to do with your suggestions.
[03:45] <DanaG> It turns out, the lid is a thin, flimsy, sheet of plastic -- doesn't even have ridges for reinforcement, or anything.
[03:45] <DanaG> Anyway, I don't think there's anything you can do about that OSD.
[03:45] <jbuncher> DanaG, ok, bummer.
[03:45] <DanaG> Or wait, I think you can hack at the DSDT a bit to disable it.
[03:45] <DanaG> But that's a bit tricky to do.
[03:45] <jbuncher> DanaG, DSDT?
[03:45] <DanaG> ACPI controller code, essentially.
[03:45] <ghendar> jbuncher, I didn't suggest you throw it of a roof... I said drop it from a ladder ;P~
[03:46] <jbuncher> DanaG, well, I don't think I'll be doing that.  Thanks for the info though.
[03:46] <jbuncher> ghendar, not cute.
[03:46] <ghendar> jbuncher, no sense of humor
[03:46] <DanaG> It's not too hard to do... it's hard to know HOW to do.  =þ
[03:47] <chu_> Hey guys, I updated to 9.10 beta on Wednesday, but I have done no updates since, it is OK to go with all updates before a partial update?
[03:47] <ghendar> chu_, huh? could you run that by us again?
[03:47] <oldude67> i dont know about anyone else but i avoid partial updates.
[03:48] <ghendar> if you do all updates, doesn't that preclude there being anything left to partially update?
[03:48] <chu_> Yeah, basically is it ok to update as long as I avoid partial updates for now?
[03:49] <oldude67> sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[03:49] <evilaim_> Anyone get any online poker programs to run?
[03:49] <evilaim_> wine?
[03:49] <ghendar> EvilAIM, pokerstars works fine under wine
[03:50] <EvilAIM> thanks
[03:50] <EvilAIM> again ghendar
[03:50] <EvilAIM> haha
[03:50] <ghendar> =D
[03:50] <KnifeySpooney> I can't boot up my machine after a daily update in Karmic .. thread here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1287250
[03:50] <ghendar> though I find the more wine I have, the less well my poker game runs ;)
[03:51] <EvilAIM> Well, I prefer scotch myself;)
[03:51] <ghendar> Single Malt FTW!
[03:51] <EvilAIM> Glenfiddich 21
[03:52] <ghendar> KnifeySpooney, Boot to liveUSB, mount your partitions, chroot to the / of your install and you can remove the package
[03:53] <Amaranth> It's not a bootchart error it's a mountall error
[03:53] <ghendar> EvilAIM, bah, Glenfiddch is the Budweiser of Single Malts
[03:53] <Amaranth> you just need to upgrade the package
[03:53] <EvilAIM> haha
[03:53] <Xisdibik> Does anyone happen to know if the Kubuntu Netbook edition runs on the LPIA kernel, or would one have to install an alternative install of the LPIA kernel and then add the KDE Netbook UI?
[03:53] <EvilAIM> Ya, but it's still freakin' tastey!
[03:54] <Amaranth> Xisdibik: The lpia stuff is just x86 stuff tuned a bit more for netbooks
[03:54] <ghendar> Amaranth, perhaps I shouldn't have skimmed that ;)
[03:54] <Xisdibik> Amaranth: so would it not really make a difference doing the LPIA one vs just a kubuntu netbook edition?
[03:55] <Amaranth> Xisdibik: but it's treated by dpkg as a different architecture so you have to start with lpia and add stuff after
[03:55] <Amaranth> Xisdibik: probably not enough of a difference to really care
[03:55] <beck-and-call> Is there any way to get i915 working again with the current-release Karmic kernel?
[03:55] <Xisdibik> Amaranth: thanks, very helpful :)
[03:55] <mzz> can someone tell me off the top of their head if using /etc/fstab to mount a tmpfs on /tmp should work? I had a hack for that in jaunty I copied from some question, but it doesn't apply to karmic
[03:56] <Amaranth> beck-and-call: it works fine as of the latest kernel
[03:56] <oldude67> beck-and-call, im using it now.
[03:56] <mzz> I'll just try it and find out otherwise.
[03:56] <KnifeySpooney> ghendar: Ok I chroot'ed to /media/Ubuntu (my Ubuntu partition) and tried "sudo apt-get remove bootchart"n
[03:56] <KnifeySpooney> And it FLOODED me with permission denied errors
[03:56] <beck-and-call> Amaranth: I've rebooted nine times, and every boot Xorg is using 99% CPU time.
[03:56] <Amaranth> KnifeySpooney: you have to mount /dev and /proc in the chroot
[03:57] <ghendar> KnifeySpooney, as Amaranth pointed out you need to update the mountall package instead
[03:57] <Amaranth> beck-and-call: but do you have hardware acceleration?
[03:57] <KnifeySpooney> Oh
[03:58] <beck-and-call> Amaranth: In theory.  compiz is running.
[03:58] <Dr_Willis> Yea - did get Hulu player working..
[03:58] <beck-and-call> Amaranth: But the entire desktop is moving in slow motion.
[03:58] <beck-and-call> Everything is.
[03:59] <Amaranth> beck-and-call: so that's not the same problem everyone else has been having
[03:59] <beck-and-call> I'd switch the 3650 HD back on and fall back to fglrx, except current (pre-release) fglrx has jagged edges in 3D and XVideo doesn't actually work as such.
[04:00] <KnifeySpooney> Amaranth: mountall is already the latest version according to apt-get, and I just updated package info an hour ago
[04:00] <beck-and-call> Amaranth: I'm having the same problem I was last I dropped in: gooey-slow everything while using i915.
[04:00] <beck-and-call> Funnily enough, it was working fine before tonight's kernel upgrade.
[04:01] <Amaranth> KnifeySpooney: You're a bit more stuck then
[04:01] <Amaranth> KnifeySpooney: I suggest filing a bug
[04:01] <KnifeySpooney> is there any way to reinstall through apt-get or aptitude?
[04:02] <ghendar> KnifeySpooney, sudo aptitude reinstall PACKAGE
[04:03] <Amaranth> KnifeySpooney: No
[04:03] <Amaranth> KnifeySpooney: but a reinstall won't help unless your file system got corrupted
[04:03] <KnifeySpooney> Oh
[04:03] <Amaranth> KnifeySpooney: because you're hitting a bug caused by your particular hardware and setup
[04:03] <KnifeySpooney> well I'll try one more reboot since I uninstalled bootchart, and if that doesn't do it then i'll file a bug
[04:03] <beck-and-call> Is there anything I can do with fglrx or i915 to get smooth video and 99% idle time back?
[04:04] <KnifeySpooney> Amaranth: Ok. Thanks for the help
[04:04] <KnifeySpooney> Amaranth: I might return
[04:04] <Amaranth> beck-and-call: did you file a bug?
[04:04] <beck-and-call> Amaranth: On what tracker?  Against what?  With what info?
[04:05] <Amaranth> beck-and-call: Part of using a pre-release is figuring that out :)
[04:05] <Amaranth> beck-and-call: ubuntu-bug is your friend though
[04:06] <httpdss> i upgraded on alpha 5 from jaunty and know i come to realize that update-grub doesnt generate the grub2 config file ... it continues working on menu.lst ... is this ok ?
[04:06] <httpdss> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/27003/screenshot_014_yR3BP1.png
[04:06] <beck-and-call> Amaranth: ?no-redirect=1 is my friend, IIRC.
[04:07] <Amaranth> beck-and-call: No.
[04:07] <Amaranth> beck-and-call: Just... no.
[04:07] <Amaranth> beck-and-call: ubuntu-bug exists for a a reason. It automatically generates and attaches the information usually required for a bug report.
[04:07] <beck-and-call> Amaranth: That's how I filed and got fixed a bunch of bugs in the last eight months or so.
[04:08] <httpdss> hmm could it be because of partial upgrade thingy ?
[04:09] <EvilAIM> bbl
[04:09] <EvilAIM> poker time!
[04:10] <carlosgaldino> the syndaemon isn't working on beta?
[04:11] <mzz> I can deal with having to use ubuntu-bug on a ubuntu system, but there are times when I want to file a bug from a different system, and that's become annoyingly hard.
[04:20] <carlosgaldino> syndaemon isn't working on beta?
[04:21]  * mzz wonders why he can't set importance as reporter
[04:23] <KnifeySpooney> Amaranth: Yep the problem still occurs, I filed this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/447747 . Does anything else need to be added?
[04:25] <Amaranth> KnifeySpooney: you need to chroot into karmic again and run 'apport-attach 447747'
[04:25] <Amaranth> err, apport-collect
[04:26] <bluefox83> ok, i have 2 samba shares running on a server in my home, i can see the non-password protected one, but not the password protected one, this is very bad because i used it to back up all of my class notes and i have exams on tuesday...
[04:26] <bluefox83> can anyone help me figure out why the samba in 9.10 can't see the password protected share?
[04:26] <KnifeySpooney> Amaranth: Ok, I ran that and got an error: (newlines separated by \n): Logging into Launchpad... You have to allow "Change anything" privileges.\nDownloading bug information...\nError connecting to Launchpad: [Errno 0] Error
[04:27] <smegzor> After dis-upgrading I can't start the mysql daemon.  Initially it was fine after the upgrade, but it won't start and I don't know why.  Anyone else had problems with mysql in Karmic?
[04:28] <EvilAIM> This kid just told me he got a 100" LCD tv....
[04:29] <KnifeySpooney> lol
[04:29] <Dr_Willis> Perhaps he ment 100 Cm. :)
[04:29] <bluefox83> smegzor: i saw something on google about having problems with passwords in karmic's mysql
[04:29] <KnifeySpooney> 100nm
[04:29] <bluefox83> !samba
[04:30] <Dr_Willis> standard samba troubleshooting thigs i do.. checn workgroups, check that findsmb/smbtree see the shares.  Make sure user has a samba password set with smbpassed -a username.. err lets see
[04:31] <Dr_Willis> make sure windows and linux usernames/passowrds are the same. (just a habbit i have to make trouble shooting easier)
[04:31] <dtchen> JanC: ok, i've read the bug report. i just need to dig up the data sheet for that codec revision.
[04:31] <Dai> EvilAIM: 100" LCDs do exist, but you'll need to remove a wall to get them inside, and they're really impractical.  oh, and they're prohibitively expensive :)
[04:31] <smegzor> My ATI card works for the first time now that I have upgraded :D  Still don't have accelerated graphics, but I get the full res.
[04:32] <dtchen> JanC: there's nothing "bad" per se about disabling powersaving on an always-on desktop, but one may argue that it's more wasteful. Certainly the compelling technical reason is that (in this case) it's only a poor workaround for a code bug.
[04:34] <EvilAIM> I just thought it was funny
[04:34] <EvilAIM> A) you're 16... b) what do you need with a 100" lcd? and C) where do you live?
[04:36] <KnifeySpooney> How do I allow "change anything" priveleges in apport-collect?
[04:39] <steve007> since kernel 2.6.31-12, my toshiba laptop suddenly goes to sleep (suspend). This can happen even when I'm typing or using the mouse.  Any ideas what could be causing this?
[04:40] <carlosgaldino> anyone knows if syndaemon doesn't work on karmic beta?
[04:51] <arielCo> Hello everyone!  My Synaptics driver is reading the right settings from the fdi policy file, but they aren't being honored. Any idea why? http://pastebin.com/d7b67e599
[04:52] <mzz> arielCo: at least some of those can be set through system -> preferences -> mouse -> touchpad, which I'd expect to override hal
[04:53] <smegzor> I solved my mysql problem.  Something post upgrade uninstalled the server.
[04:53] <johnni> I just upgraded to Karmic and my network thing at the top is constantly running around like half way...even with nothing open...how can I find out what is sending out all the packets?
[04:54] <arielCo> johnni: try "sudo nethogs"
[04:54] <Dr_Willis> !info nethogs
[04:54] <arielCo> mzz: yes, it works; I guess it talks to synclient. Still, it worked before the upgrade
[04:55] <arielCo> and Xorg.0.log shows that it
[04:55] <arielCo> and Xorg.0.log shows that it's reading the fdi file
[04:55] <mzz> arielCo: I can't help with figuring out what change is responsible, but I'm not at all surprised Xorg showing it picking up those settings
[04:55] <chu_> Hey guys, when trying to install an icon set (Mist), by just dragging it into the Appearances window, I get the following error "Cannot move directory over directory" any idea what this means?
[04:55] <Nafai> Dr_Willis: Cool, thanks for sharing that...I've never heard of nethogs
[04:56] <mzz> arielCo: those settings in system -> preferences -> mouse -> touchpad have to take effect after you log in, which is well after Xorg pulls those settings from hal
[04:56] <johnni> tried that arielCo but it just shows this unknown tcp sent 0.000, but the bar at the top that says how much my network is being used is saying that 101.5k/b is being sent out constant
[04:56] <arielCo> mzz: oh, so that message is from Xorg, but it doesn't mean that synaptics_*.so is getting in
[04:56] <mzz> arielCo: so you'd need a "use whatever's currently set" in system -> preferences -> mouse -> touchpad to do what you want.
[04:57] <Dr_Willis> Nafai:  i never have either. :)
[04:57] <chu_> Sweet my touchpad clicks gain in Karmic! cheers for reminding me mzz, lol
[04:57] <arielCo> mzz: I didn't quite understand that last thing. The applet works right away, as soon as I check the box. I wonder where it's saving it :)
[04:58] <johnni> Anyone have any idea on my question?
[04:58] <mzz> arielCo: I mean that you'll once again have to adjust settings in preferences -> mouse -> touchpad if you ever decide to edit the fdi (it's still overriding what's in the fdi, you just have them match now)
[04:59]  * arielCo thinks... maybe the hog is using UDP?
[04:59] <mzz> arielCo: if for whatever reason you prefer using just the fdi file you'd need a checkbox in preferences -> mouse -> touchpad to get it to just leave the settings alone completely
[05:00] <mzz> johnni: what arielCo said seems likely (find a monitoring app that can track udp too)
[05:01] <johnni> mzz, i did that and it says my eth0 is sending out 185.5kb per second, the thing is I have firefox sitting on google.com and this open...I need something to tell me what is sending out all that network traffic
[05:01] <arielCo> mzz: so the settings in the mouse "applet" go somewhere else
[05:01] <arielCo> johnni, did you try closing firefox?
[05:01] <johnni> yeah
[05:01] <mzz> johnni: yes. So find a network monitoring app that tells you what the packets are being sent to and/or what pid is sending them
[05:02] <Dr_Willis> !info ntop
[05:02] <mzz> arielCo: yes. They're almost certainly stored in gconf and applied when you log in, probably by gnome-settings-daemon
[05:02] <johnni> its been doing this since I upgraded to karmic..as soon as I logged in nothing open it is showing all this packet being sent with nothing open
[05:02] <Dr_Willis> Ntop has some major features.. that i dont understand. :)
[05:02] <arielCo> johnni: another simple option is "lsof | grep IP"
[05:02] <mzz> johnni: I don't remember offhand which monitoring apps meet your needs
[05:03] <arielCo> johnni: if it's a socket (TCP), you'll see it, PID and all
[05:03] <johnni> i typed that and it just goes to a blank line and blinks
[05:04] <johnni> okay sudo does it but I don't understand any of this output
[05:04] <beck-and-call> Amaranth: Any thoughts on why jockey can't find fglrx now?
[05:06] <johnni> arielCo, what am I looking for in this output?
[05:07] <arielCo> johnni: this is from my machine (motoko), right now: http://pastebin.com/d1b668b0f
[05:07] <johnni> okay I have a lot more showing up on mine then yours
[05:08] <arielCo> look at the names of the programs. Of course one such is Firefox and maybe the other is Pidgin.
[05:08] <johnni> yeah and I have some pulse audio ones showing up to
[05:08] <arielCo> johnni: maybe you have a BitTorrent client running?
[05:09] <johnni> no bittorrent
[05:09] <arielCo> try "killall pulseaudio" and see what happens
[05:10] <johnni> found what it was it was pulseaudio went in and adjusted some off the settings network use is back to normal, but firefox is still slow and so is ubuntu..well slower then 9.04 anyone have any idea why?
[05:10] <EvilAIM> Ok, question
[05:10] <EvilAIM> I want to use vdpau with mplayer...
[05:10] <EvilAIM> But I'm on 9.10
[05:11] <EvilAIM> is it still the same packages as 9.04?
[05:11] <arielCo> johnni: try "sudo nethogs" again and hit "M" until you see the bandwidth in KB/sec
[05:14] <mzz> johnni: I might've seen that (I didn't check network usage, but I've had two pulseaudio instances on different systems consume considerable amounts of cpu until I turned some of the networking features off)
[05:14] <mzz> they weren't the same pulseaudio version, and I blamed it on that
[05:14] <bluefox83> ok, why the hell can't i see my samba share D:
[05:16] <mzz> bluefox83: anything useful if you use places -> connect to server...? (assuming gnome)
[05:17] <bluefox83> it shows the server
[05:17] <bluefox83> i named it ubuntu
[05:17] <bluefox83> and then i click on that and it leads me to an icon that says "File Server"
[05:17] <mzz> bluefox83: I meant use its "windows share" mode and enter the server and share name directly
[05:17] <bluefox83> and i click on that and i get a vast nothingness D:
[05:17] <NoelJB> EvilAIM, there is a PPA.
[05:17] <bluefox83> i get the same exact thing every way i try to connect
[05:18] <MTecknology> Amaranth: I still don't have java/flash working
[05:18] <NoelJB> EvilAIM, https://launchpad.net/~nvidia-vdpau/+archive/ppa
[05:18] <bluefox83> keep in mind, the samba share is on an old ubuntu server and i just installed the latest 9.10 64
[05:18] <bluefox83> 64 bit i mean >.>
[05:19] <MTecknology> Amaranth: It keeps wanting to install the missing plugin..
[05:19] <chu_> Hey cool, Karmic no longer asks for a password to just check for updates.
[05:20] <bluefox83> mzz: anything?
[05:20] <mzz> bluefox83: I'm not very good at debugging samba. Also, you didn't actually do what I was suggesting.
[05:20] <bluefox83> i don't know how to do what you are talking about
[05:20] <mzz> bluefox83: are you in gnome?
[05:20] <bluefox83> yep
[05:20] <mzz> bluefox83: click places -> connect to server
[05:20] <EvilAIM> ok
[05:21] <EvilAIM> now if I was a ppa user, how would I use it?
[05:21] <mzz> bluefox83: use "windows share" as "service type", enter the right server name and *also* the right share (and any login info you might need)
[05:21] <mzz> bluefox83: the shares browser is a separate component, if you know the name you can connect directly, meaning one fewer possibly failing component
[05:22] <bluefox83> mzz: ok, same outcome...it's like it's running the server but not actually sharing
[05:22] <mzz> bluefox83: then I recommend you increase debug logging on both ends and see if anything interesting shows up
[05:22] <EvilAIM> NoelJB, how exactly would I do this?
[05:22] <mzz> I can't really help thre, I haven't done this in ages and am doing other stuff
[05:22] <bluefox83> i have no idea how to do that D:
[05:23] <mzz> bluefox83: "log level = somelargenumber" in /etc/samba/smb.conf and restarting the server for starters
[05:23] <MTecknology> Is anybody else having java/flash not work at all?
[05:23] <mzz> MTecknology: feature!
[05:23]  * mzz ducks
[05:23] <chris_> Ello peeps
[05:23] <chris_> where do i place libflashplayer.so?
[05:23] <chris_> (for x64 systems)
[05:23] <mzz> you don't want that thing!
[05:23]  * mzz ducks again
[05:24] <mzz> (should've said "in your trash can")
[05:24] <bluefox83> mzz: i'm certain the problem lies in my desktop system (9.10)
[05:25] <mzz> bluefox83: yes, but the server-side logs may still be interesting
[05:25] <johnni> llmediaimplgstreamer_bus_callback:365: GST error: A text/html decoder plugin is required to play this stream, but not installed. any suggestions why I keep getting that? its on a mp4 link
[05:25] <quentusrex_> Anyone here able to point me in a good direction to find out how to debug what is crashing my server?
[05:26] <quentusrex_> It is a brand new server, thought I had some issues with the motherboard due to it 'shutting down' when I told it to reboot.
[05:26] <EvilAIM> how do I find out which video driver I'm using?
[05:26] <quentusrex_> but now it's crashed 4 times in the last 20 minutes...
[05:28] <MTecknology> flash games work; flash videos don't; java doesn't
[05:28] <MTecknology> maybe I should reinstall every package on the system
[05:29] <MTecknology> !info update-notifier-common
[05:29] <MTecknology> !info update-notifier
[05:29] <MTecknology> !info adept
[05:29] <MTecknology> ....... Why does screen depend on update-notifier-common ??
[05:32] <nick125> MTecknology: I think its for the screen "themes"
[05:32] <MTecknology> 878 packages to reinstall
[05:32] <MTecknology> nick125: oh..
[05:33] <nick125> The one where you have different "widgets," one being an "available updates" display
[05:34] <bluefox83> mzz: log files are empty D;
[05:35] <MTecknology> nick125: I like the 'no "themes"' idea
[05:35] <MTecknology> Only 668MB to download
[05:35] <MTecknology> hopefully things magically work after this
[05:36] <Miki800> hello
[05:36] <Miki800> anyone here?
[05:37] <MTecknology> What's going on here? E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on bash
[05:37] <Miki800> can I ask a question regarding 9.10 installation issues?
[05:37] <MTecknology> !ask
[05:38] <Miki800> alright, its just that I don't see users list in xchat so I did not know if enough relevant helpful ppl are online - so this is my problem:
[05:38] <Miki800> I just installed 9.10 via wubi
[05:38] <Miki800> and what I see is a live-cd desktop
[05:38] <Miki800> only icon is "Install Ubuntu 9.10"
[05:38] <Miki800> without the username I entered at the wubi installation from xp
[05:39] <Miki800> thats not exactly the worst thing..
[05:39] <Miki800> well I though what the h*ck, and clicked on Install...
[05:39] <wzssyqa> after upgrade today,the Console Huaping
[05:39] <MTecknology> !enter | mzz
[05:39] <MTecknology> !enter | Miki800
[05:39] <Miki800> it freezes whenever it auto goes to the part of "Guided Partitioning"
[05:40] <Miki800> O K ubottu... :/
[05:41] <Miki800> so what happened? why when I installed it via wubi it created a live-cd desktop instead of expected installation with my selected username prompt by wubi @ xp... ?
[05:42] <Miki800> or why would the install ubuntu 9.10 icon would lead to a situation where I have a window titled "Guided partitioning" which is now freeze.. for about 40 minutes...
[05:42] <Miki800> freezed*
[05:44] <Miki800> GOD DAMN, that voidness is so incredibly lame and unhelpful, time to go find an Ubuntu forum to help me :/
[05:44] <mzz> sorry, I really can't help with anything wubi-ish
[05:44] <MTecknology> !language | Miki800
[05:44] <MTecknology> !patience > Miki800
[05:45] <Miki800> I see now private message popping or anything like that...
[05:45] <Miki800> no*
[05:51] <EvilAIM> There we go
[05:51] <EvilAIM> that wasn't fun
[05:51] <EvilAIM> Ubuntu 9.10 beta x64 bit just dumped on me
[05:52] <MTecknology> EvilAIM: what happened?
[05:52] <MTecknology> I just got mine working
[05:53] <EvilAIM> Who knows, I'm just scrolling through my error logs
[05:53] <MTecknology> sounds fun..
[05:53] <EvilAIM> looks like compiz crashed
[05:53] <EvilAIM> ya
[05:53] <EvilAIM> compiz + mesa had a collicion
[05:53] <EvilAIM> collision...
[05:53] <EvilAIM> how ever you spell it
[05:54] <heyboy> I am trying to upgrade to 9.10 but failing at Setting Channels stage.
[05:54] <mozicodo> join #kubuntu
[05:54] <MTecknology> EvilAIM: I like to stick with fast - no compiz/gnome/kde/etc
[05:54] <heyboy> error is "A problem occurred during the update. This is usually some sort of network problem, please check your network connection and retry."
[05:54] <EvilAIM> Well, I have my HD video's go directly to my vid card
[05:54] <EvilAIM> so really, I have no issues on the speed side
[05:55] <MTecknology> i have a laptop - only system that isn't at another house being worked on for use as a server
[05:56] <KnifeySpooney> (Using karmic) I'm trying to use apport-collect to add to one of my bug reports, but I'm getting this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/289812/ . Anybody know how to fix this?
[05:56] <EvilAIM> ok
[05:56] <EvilAIM> if I disable visual effects, does that disable my vid card?
[05:57] <test34> EvilAIM, no
[05:57] <bluefox83> ok, i HAVE to fix this D:
[05:58] <bluefox83> i have to be able to use my dang samba share D:
[05:59] <bluefox83> it worked FINE when i was running 9.04
[05:59] <bluefox83> now that i'm in 9.10 i can't even see the share D;
[06:00] <mzz> bluefox83: all I can say is debug the issue (on both ends). If your server is really not logging anything that indicates some kind of problem on its end no matter what
[06:01] <MTecknology> KnifeySpooney: I thought you needed to give apport a package name
[06:01] <mzz> bluefox83: unfortunately I haven't had to debug the samba client side while using gvfs yet, so I don't quite know where to start there
[06:01] <MTecknology> KnifeySpooney: try it with -v
[06:01] <KnifeySpooney> -p?
[06:02] <MTecknology> verbose
[06:02] <KnifeySpooney> apport-collect: error: no such option: -v
[06:02] <MTecknology> could try with passing a package into it
[06:02] <MTecknology> oh
[06:02] <MTecknology> hrm...
[06:02] <KnifeySpooney> there are only -h and -p options
[06:03] <KnifeySpooney> even with '-p mountall' it doesn't work
[06:03] <MTecknology> KnifeySpooney: I'm looking into it
[06:04] <MTecknology> KnifeySpooney: firewall?
[06:04] <dragon> heyboy: which mirror are you using?
[06:04] <KnifeySpooney> MTecknology: I'm using chroot if that's any help
[06:04] <KnifeySpooney> I'm stuck on a liveCd because my main karmic install is broken
[06:04] <Miki800> hello, anyone here ever tried installing 9.10 using wubi and got a live-cd desktop on THAT wubi completed installation?
[06:05] <dragon> Miki800: someone might have tried it. What's the issue?
[06:05] <dragon> ubottu: hi
[06:05] <bluefox83> able to sync browse lists in this workgroup.  <---the heck does that mean?
[06:05] <Miki800> @dragon the issue is as I've stated - I have a live-cd desktop instead of a completed-installation desktop, I do not have the username I stated @ the wubi installation
[06:06] <bluefox83> oops, shoudl read Unable
[06:06] <bluefox83> *should
[06:06] <MTecknology> KnifeySpooney: wget https://launchpad.net/
[06:06] <Miki800> I have "Install Ubuntu 9.10" Icon on the desktop
[06:06] <Miki800> is that suppose to happen?
[06:06] <KnifeySpooney> MTecknology: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/447747 and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1287250
[06:06] <MTecknology> Miki800: on the live cd?
[06:07] <MTecknology> KnifeySpooney: wget https://launchpad.net/
[06:07] <dragon> Miki800: I see what you mean. Auto-login is enabled, exactly the way it is on the live-cd
[06:07] <KnifeySpooney> wget?
[06:07] <KnifeySpooney> why wget?
[06:07] <MTecknology> KnifeySpooney: run that command.......
[06:07] <Miki800> @MTecknology no, I did not have a cd in before I started the booting process. this is why it's so odd
[06:07] <KnifeySpooney> oh
[06:07] <KnifeySpooney> Sorry lol
[06:07] <MTecknology> Miki800: bug?
[06:07] <dragon> Miki800: It's not the expected behavior. You should file a bug if there isn't one already.
[06:07] <MTecknology> Miki800: let me know it if works
[06:08] <KnifeySpooney> MTecknology: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/289826/
[06:08] <Miki800> @dragon thanks dragon, I'd love to file a bug, never done so it should be my first time where do I do that?
[06:08] <EvilAIM> Well, that really really helped
[06:08] <EvilAIM> one minute I couldn't play 1080p on my computer, now I can play it
[06:08] <EvilAIM> and it doesn't even register on my CPU usage
[06:08] <dragon> !bug | Miki800
[06:08] <Miki800> I already posted this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8081148#post8081148  I'm positive its not the place to file them..
[06:08] <EvilAIM> B-e-a-utiful
[06:08] <dragon> !find wubi
[06:08] <Miki800> thanks dragon, I'll go there and see what I can do
[06:09] <Miki800> @MTecknology, what were you saying? to let you know if what works?
[06:09] <dragon> Miki800: wubi isn't a package, so first command wouldn't work. The site do fine. For further help filing a bug, join #ubuntu-bug
[06:09] <dragon> Miki800: sorry, #ubuntu-bugs
[06:09] <MTecknology> KnifeySpooney: run "mount" outside the chroot
[06:10] <dragon> s/do/should do/
[06:10] <Miki800> @dragon what did you mean by "so first command wouldn't work"?
[06:10]  * dragon needs more caffeine 
[06:10] <darthanubis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/428783
[06:10] <KnifeySpooney> MTecknology: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/289827/
[06:10] <dragon> Miki800: if you read that complete factoid, there's a command in it.
[06:11] <dragon> factoid is what ubottu said up there
[06:11] <KnifeySpooney> MTecknology: /dev/sda3 is the partition Ubuntu is installed in
[06:11] <dragon> ubottu: you there?
[06:11] <Miki800> @dragon I'm not following what you're saying
[06:11] <dragon> Miki800: no worries, just follow https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
[06:11] <Miki800> oh
[06:11] <Miki800> got it :)
[06:11] <dragon> Miki800: tube light :)
[06:11] <MTecknology> KnifeySpooney: have you ever done a chroot before?
[06:11] <KnifeySpooney> No
[06:12] <KnifeySpooney> someone else told me to use it so I could uninstall bootchart on my installation through a livecd
[06:12] <MTecknology> !chroot
[06:12] <Miki800> lol thanks, first time reading someone type that ^_^
[06:12] <bluefox83> mzz: are you familiar with the command smbtree ?
[06:13] <KnifeySpooney> MTecknology: So does this mean I dont need to run apport-collect?
[06:13] <KnifeySpooney> Someone else told me to use that
[06:13] <Miki800> I just hope that this bug really is related to wubi
[06:14] <Miki800> so I'm not saying non-sense cr*p
[06:14] <MTecknology> KnifeySpooney: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?style=printable&full=1#book_part1_chap6
[06:14] <wastrel> stabula
[06:14] <MTecknology> KnifeySpooney: it means you need to learn how to setup a chroot
[06:15] <mzz> bluefox83: no, but again I recommend you ignore any problems with discovering the share and just access it directly by servername+share name
[06:15] <bluefox83> crap D; i think nautilus is lacking a component for browsing smb shares, cus if i do: smbtree   in terminal on either system it shows my shares properly
[06:15] <KnifeySpooney_> MTecknology: Sorry, accidentally closed the chat
[06:15] <bluefox83> mzz: i tried, it wont SHOW it...
[06:15] <bluefox83> it says it doesn't exist
[06:15] <MTecknology> KnifeySpooney: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?style=printable&full=1#book_part1_chap6
[06:16] <mzz> bluefox83: then (assuming you got the servername right and the loglevel high enough on the other end) that should be getting logged serverside, at which point you can compare to an access attempt from a working system
[06:16] <bluefox83> mzz: it thinks it's not there,...but i'm going to rename some stuff and see if i can't fix the problem that way...i'm wondering if the share name might be a problem
[06:17] <mzz> bluefox83: jaunty and karmic are both talking to my samba server just fine, but I don't use share browsing at all (it's off on the server end)
[06:18]  * mzz wonders why he can access /dev/dri/card0 without being in the video group
[06:19] <bluefox83> mzz: ok, i renamed the share and now i can get in directoly :D
[06:20] <bluefox83> but now i don't seem to have the right permissions to view the dang files D:
[06:20] <KnifeySpooney> MTecknology: So i'm supposed to set mirrors? I dont really get the material
[06:20] <MTecknology> KnifeySpooney: ......
[06:20] <MTecknology> KnifeySpooney: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?style=printable&full=1#book_part1_chap6
[06:20] <mzz> hmm, posix acl, apparently.
[06:20] <MTecknology> READ
[06:21] <KnifeySpooney> I did
[06:22] <MTecknology> KnifeySpooney: I gave you the exact section you need to read
[06:22] <MTecknology> KnifeySpooney: 6.a
[06:23] <MTecknology> Code Listing 1.4: Mounting /proc and /dev
[06:23] <heyboy> I am trying to upgrade to 9.10 but failing at Setting Channels stage.
[06:24] <Miki800> when launching a live-cd installed thats stuck, freezes.. and I want to destroy that process via system monitor
[06:24] <Miki800> whats the name of the process I should look for?
[06:24] <Miki800> installed = installation*
[06:26] <bluefox83> dangit, this is not cool D: i can't view any of the sibdirectories now!
[06:27] <heyboy> hello room! Having problems with upgrade to 9.10
[06:29] <MTecknology> !ask | heyboy
[06:29] <MTecknology> bluefox83: samba?
[06:30] <MTecknology> bluefox83: #samba might be able to help better
[06:32] <heyboy> I am following the steps as: "update-manager -d" -> upgrade (9.04 to 9.10)-> preparing to upgrade [exits at "Setting new Software Channels" stage]
[06:33] <MTecknology> heyboy: can you pastebing all the output?
[06:33] <KnifeySpooney> MTecknology: Ok thanks for the read, I'll try it but are all of the commands the same for Ubuntu as they are for gentoo?
[06:34] <dmj727> I'm considering installing aa Karmic box, since my current installs are rather ancient (8.04 and 8.10), is there (long term) any bad aspects of a Beat install?
[06:34] <MTecknology> KnifeySpooney: the part I pointed out is generic
[06:34] <bluefox83> MTecknology: i dunno if you have ever needed help with samba, but the folks in #samba are almost never there, and aren't that big on helping
[06:34] <bluefox83> not that none of them will, but many don't/wont
[06:34] <MTecknology> bluefox83: when I was there I got some help - about the junk help I expected
[06:35] <MTecknology> but they at least gave me a push
[06:35] <MTecknology> bluefox83: only other thing I can think of is logs :(
[06:36] <bluefox83> also, i have fubared owner privileges by doing a sudo chmod -R a+w+x  and now i can't access my shares directly via ssh terminal by cd'ing in, and i can't seem to get into any of the subdirectories with samba...
[06:36] <dmj727> I know there might be bugs now, but how likely will I be stuck irregularities even after the final release?
[06:36] <bluefox83> i need to un-do that >.>
[06:36] <bluefox83> i can't even ls  D:
[06:37] <Jeruvy> dmj727: since karmic is in beta, its kinda hard to say anything about long-term affects..can you elaborate better?
[06:37] <bluefox83> i totally screwed it up..lol
[06:38] <ghendar> bluefox83, what did you break?
[06:38] <ghendar> ah
[06:38] <bluefox83> ghendar: permissions >.>
[06:38] <MTecknology> chromium really doesn't give you much for options - especially onces that I want
[06:38] <bluefox83> that's cus chromium is still in beta!
[06:38] <dmj727> Jeruvy: Will upgrading the beta version to the final generally produce a machine that is equivalent to one installed directly as final?
[06:39] <ghendar> bluefox83, you may not be able to sudo to undo that, you might have to actually be root
[06:39]  * bluefox83 wonders if chromium is available in repos for karmic
[06:39] <dmj727> (no major leftover badness from having been beta?)
[06:39] <bluefox83> ghendar: of course you can!
[06:39] <luka> i have intel x3100 and im still having some issues with video... microphone has really poor quality...
[06:39] <MTecknology> !info chromium-browser
[06:39] <bluefox83> i just need to figure out exactly what command to use >.>
[06:39] <bluefox83> aww
[06:39] <MTecknology> bluefox83: just use ppa
[06:40] <Jeruvy> dmj727: well I'm running beta on a brand new compaq and everything works great that I've tried.  But YMMV since I don't know what you tried/trying
[06:40] <bluefox83> MTecknology: i have no idea what ppa is >.>
[06:40] <dmj727> I haven't installed yet
[06:40] <MTecknology> !ppa
[06:40] <bluefox83> :O
[06:40] <dmj727> I'm just trying to gauge whether to wait three weeks for the final.
[06:40] <MTecknology> bluefox83: https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa
[06:40] <Jeruvy> dmj727: there is also launchpad.net for bug tracking with regards to anything more specific.
[06:41] <bluefox83> MTecknology: that will be cool to use, but...right now i kinda need to fix my file permissions on my server machine so i can retrieve my homework D:
[06:41] <bluefox83> and notes!
[06:41] <Jeruvy> dmj727: from the sounds of it I'd say you are not completely comfortable, so wait, 20 days isn't very long at all.  However in your case nothing may be different from now.  Only you can tell.
[06:41] <bluefox83> also, it would be nice if i wouldn't have to set up thunderbird again >.>
[06:41] <luka> does anyone here like ubuntu new look?
[06:42] <bluefox83> luka: not really, i thought ubuntu was done with brown!
[06:42] <bluefox83> i was hoping for some blue >.>
[06:42] <luka> yeah i dont like it at all
[06:42]  * Jeruvy likey new looky. But I needed a halloween background
[06:42] <MTecknology> bluefox83: use a secure transfer?
[06:42] <MTecknology> bluefox83: winscp ??
[06:43] <dmj727> I'm a fairly competent linux programmer/user, but have not had experience with ubuntu beta->final transitions.
[06:43] <hipitihop> I'm running latest karmic beta (mythbuntu) which by default uses xfce. Recently the task bar on top always shows whereas it used to not be visible when another app has focus, any ideas how to reinstate ?
[06:43] <dmj727> Does anyone here keep their beta boxen around after the final or just reinstall?
[06:43] <bluefox83> MTecknology: i broke the file permissions...i need to fix them
[06:44] <Jeruvy> dmj727: then you may want to learn about Ubuntu release methodology.  At this point nothing major will change only critical fixes.
[06:44] <MTecknology> bluefox83: show me
[06:45] <MTecknology> Jeruvy: I managed to convince them to push a non-critical patch into it - but it would have been heck to deal with it for 6mo
[06:45] <dmj727> so upgrading the beta install to the final will fix the vast majority of bugs encountered on the beta?
[06:45] <MTecknology> dmj727: just keep the system up to date
[06:46] <MTecknology> when karmic releases and you update, you're running release
[06:46] <bluefox83> MTecknology: i typed sudo chmod -R a+x+w Private/
[06:46] <Jeruvy> dmj727: yes, if it was alpha some things could change in a more drastic way
[06:46] <dmj727> ok...I just wanted to make sureany weirdness wouldn't propagate beyond release.
[06:46] <MTecknology> bluefox83: .....
[06:46] <bluefox83> d-wx-wx-wx 6 bluefox bluefox 4096 2009-10-10 01:17 Private   <---this si what i get when i ls that dir
[06:47] <bluefox83> *is
[06:47] <mzz> err
[06:47] <mzz> how'd you manage that?
[06:47] <Jeruvy> dmj727: Ubuntu isn't like Arch ;)
[06:47] <dmj727> hehe
[06:47] <bluefox83> well...i was TRYING to set it so all users can access the directory and all subdirectories
[06:47] <MTecknology> bluefox83: use chmod -R 770
[06:48] <bluefox83> MTecknology: yay!
[06:48] <bluefox83> you fixed it :D
[06:48] <Jeruvy> dmj727: of course I may border on OT by saying if really stable is important you should think debian.
[06:48] <mzz> bluefox83, MTecknology: that made everything below it executable though, which you might want to fix up
[06:49] <MTecknology> mzz: ya, but that at least makes it work
[06:49] <mzz> this is true
[06:49] <MTecknology> bluefox83: so.. let's see if I can remember this....
[06:49] <bluefox83> oh crap >.>
[06:49] <mzz> there is a magical chmod argument that only adds +x to dirs that don't have it yet, but for some reason I can't remember it.
[06:49] <bluefox83> samba can't get in now..i think i need to restart samba i think
[06:49] <MTecknology> bluefox83: chmod -x+X
[06:49] <mzz> ah, that sounds like it might be it
[06:50] <mzz> I tend to fall back to using find -type f -print0|xargs -0 chmod 644, which is a bit blunt
[06:50] <MTecknology> ouch
[06:50] <mzz> works though!
[06:50] <MTecknology> much slower
[06:50] <mzz> meh, still fast enough
[06:50] <MTecknology> and harder to remember
[06:50] <bluefox83> crap crap crap crappity crap >.>
[06:51] <MTecknology> bluefox83: ya?
[06:51] <mzz> and easy to remember, since I know a bunch of find options already for other reasons.
[06:51] <mzz> the entire pipeline is just a lot of typing, the individual pieces are straightforward
[06:51] <MTecknology> I never use xargs
[06:51] <bluefox83> MTecknology: i can cd through the dirs and all, but now samba can't get in...i think i fubared something along the way...
[06:51] <mzz> bluefox83: what user is samba running as?
[06:51] <mzz> bluefox83: you might have to loosen the perms a little so samba can get in
[06:51] <bluefox83> uhm...i'm not sure
[06:52] <MTecknology> bluefox83: ls -lar /dir/
[06:52] <mzz> bluefox83: (and what *are* the perms now? if everything is world-readable and the dirs are world-executable this isn't it)
[06:52] <MTecknology> bluefox83: ls -lar /dir/ > tmp
[06:52] <MTecknology> then pastebin tmp
[06:53]  * mzz wonders how much would break if he patched mountall to mount a tmpfs on /tmp
[06:53] <bluefox83> should i paste that into a file and then use pastebinit?
[06:53] <MTecknology> bluefox83: sure
[06:54] <KnifeySpooney> MTecknology: I get an error that mirrorselect command does not exist
[06:54] <MTecknology> mzz: mountall update just came out
[06:54]  * MTecknology headdesks
[06:55] <mzz> KnifeySpooney: what are you trying to do again?
[06:55] <bluefox83> MTecknology: http://pastebin.com/f2b0727a8
[06:55] <mzz> KnifeySpooney: (iirc you were linked to the gentoo install instructions, consider following only the bit in there about chrooting or you'll end up with a gentoo install :)
[06:55] <MTecknology> mount -t proc none /mnt/chroot/proc ; mount -o bind /dev /mnt/chroot/dev
[06:55] <MTecknology> KnifeySpooney: UES THIS ^
[06:56] <MTecknology> s/ES/SE/
[06:56] <bluefox83> this makes me wish i spent more time in the terminal, i used to know all the right commands and stuff, was good with file permissions and samba >.>
[06:56] <MTecknology> bluefox83: drwxrwx--x 2 bluefox bluefox       4096 2009-10-05 18:55 Anime ..............
[06:56] <MTecknology> to each their own
[06:56]  * bluefox83 blames his wife
[06:56] <MTecknology> bluefox83: you did 770?
[06:57] <bluefox83> MTecknology: yep
[06:57] <MTecknology> hm....
[06:57] <mzz> I'm guessing samba isn't running as you and you need that to be 775 at least
[06:57] <[31d1]_> tell your wife to let you spend more time in the terminal
[06:57] <bluefox83> ok
[06:57] <bluefox83> so i'll set it to 775 and try again
[06:57] <hipitihop> does anyone one how to get xfce task bar to hide automatically
[06:57] <mzz> bluefox83: does anyone/anything have access to that system that shouldn't have read access to those files?
[06:58] <MTecknology> bluefox83: don't do -x+X
[06:58] <mzz> why not?
[06:58] <bluefox83> mzz: no, just my wife and i, and she wont really use it
[06:58] <bluefox83> MTecknology: too late, already did that once
[06:58] <MTecknology> just for the sake of making it work
[06:58] <mzz> then 775 should be fine (or 777 for free-for-all writing)
[06:58] <MTecknology> let him do it acter it's working
[06:58] <MTecknology> bluefox83: doesn't matter - 775 will redo that
[06:59] <MTecknology> bluefox83: man chmod ;)
[06:59] <bluefox83> MTecknology: i did, how do you think i messed up in the first place? lol
[06:59]  * mzz is just about at the point where he can wipe his jaunty install, having ported everything he needs over to karmic
[07:00] <MTecknology> mzz: I have a single system - it runs one os
[07:00] <MTecknology> always what it will be
[07:00] <bluefox83> yay! it works :D
[07:00] <MTecknology> I'm thinking of switching to 10.04 in 9.11
[07:00] <bluefox83> MTecknology and mzz  you've both been a HUGE help, thank you very much :)
[07:01] <MTecknology> yup - just pay it forward
[07:01] <bluefox83> i always try to
[07:01] <MTecknology> !yw
[07:01] <mzz> ah, and there's the new "power" icon
[07:01] <mzz> I was wondering about that one, it didn't look like it was the final icon
[07:02] <MTecknology> !yw is <reply>Don't thank us! Keep learning so you can help others and make them as happy as you are right now.
[07:02] <bluefox83> ok, now i am copying back my old email stuff, so i wont have to re-setup two email accounts >.>
[07:02] <MTecknology> bluefox83: still don't understand why you don't just use ssh
[07:02] <MTecknology> !winscp
[07:02] <mzz> speaking of icons: does someone know what controls whether the icon for sound *input* is displayed?
[07:02] <bluefox83> and i owe the ability to do that to you guys :D
[07:03] <bluefox83> MTecknology: i do use ssh
[07:03] <KnifeySpooney> MTecknology: thanks that got it.
[07:03] <bluefox83> i'm connected *here* via an irssi session running on the very machine that's also running samba and we were working on with the file permissions...i'm running irssi in tmux ;)
[07:04] <bluefox83> btw, tmux should totally be in apt, if it's not >.>
[07:04] <bluefox83> i don't think i could find it on my old server machine, i think i might need to upgrade it to a more recent server edition...
[07:04] <mzz> meh, just use screen
[07:04] <MTecknology> !info terminator | bluefox83
[07:05] <bluefox83> screen only allows for a single session at a time ;)
[07:05] <mzz> err, no
[07:05] <mzz> unless you're using some meaning of "session" I'm not familiar with
[07:05] <bluefox83> uh, yes, screen only allows you to view one session at a time
[07:05] <bluefox83> tmux allows for something like 20
[07:05] <mzz> I can run multiple shells in the same screen session (using a split screen if necessary), and I can attach that session on multiple systems simultaneously
[07:06] <mzz> define "view one session"
[07:06] <MTecknology> bluefox83: terminator
[07:06] <mzz> actually nvm, lemme read up on tmux
[07:06] <MTecknology> bluefox83: and 'man screen'
[07:06] <bluefox83> hey! i already have it running on tmux, i don't want screen anymore (i found it very limiting)
[07:06] <MTecknology> mzz: looks like an icky version of terminator
[07:07] <mzz> you and your terminator
[07:07] <bluefox83> it's actually rather nice...
[07:07] <mzz> bluefox83: screen can't (yet) do horizontal splits.
[07:07] <mzz> bluefox83: (it can do vertical splits)
[07:07] <MTecknology> mzz: since when?
[07:07] <mzz> MTecknology: forever
[07:07] <MTecknology> my screen does
[07:07] <MTecknology> and has for a while
[07:07] <mzz> MTecknology: how?
[07:08] <mzz> and if you say "attach multiple sessions in terminator" I'm going to glare at you
[07:08] <bluefox83> !ccsm
[07:08] <MTecknology> mzz: 'man screen' ...
[07:08] <bluefox83> awesome..still using that :D
[07:08] <mzz> MTecknology: I've read most of the screen info manual a while ago, so unless I missed a major upgrade that's not going to help
[07:08] <MTecknology> ..........
[07:09] <mzz> MTecknology: what C-a S does is what I call a "vertical split"
[07:09] <MTecknology> mzz: ^a S+s
[07:09] <MTecknology> actually..
[07:09] <MTecknology> ^a, S
[07:09] <mzz> MTecknology: do I just have my definition of vertical sideways?
[07:09] <MTecknology> 01:07 < mzz> bluefox83: (it can do horizontal splits)
[07:10] <MTecknology> mzz: I think you do ;)
[07:10] <mzz> heh
[07:10] <bluefox83> is there a reason human icon theme is not installed on karmic by default?
[07:10] <mzz> MTecknology: anyway, it can do only one of vertical and horizontal, and that's the one C-a S gives you. Do we agree again now? :)
[07:10] <MTecknology> mzz: I missed what you said - so I changed it :)
[07:11] <MTecknology> mzz: ya - but try terminator
[07:11] <mzz> no thanks
[07:11] <MTecknology> it rocks socks
[07:11] <MTecknology> why not?
[07:11] <mzz> MTecknology: I don't have a large enough screen for it to be useful, and I already use a tiling wm anyway.
[07:11] <MTecknology> ?
[07:11] <MTecknology> I've used in on an 800x600
[07:11] <bluefox83> i am so going to have to theme this thing in the morning >.>
[07:11] <MTecknology> mzz: is your screen smaller than that?
[07:11]  * mzz rephrases
[07:12] <mzz> MTecknology: I don't have a large enough screen for having more than one or two terms side-by-side to be useful, and I can already do that using my wm (either a regular or tiling one). For putting multiple terminals above each other I can (and do) use screen.
[07:12] <MTecknology> mzz: I've heard of people having ~80 terminatls open
[07:13] <mzz> lemme find an old screenshot
[07:14] <bluefox83> MTecknology: that's just excessive D;
[07:14] <MTecknology> mzz: there's a zoom and maximize function in it too - you can have on terminal maximize one terminal and make it fill the whole area, then unmaximize and mich another
[07:14] <bluefox83> why in the world would ANYONE need 80 terminal windows open >.>
[07:15] <MTecknology> bluefox83: lemem do something here...
[07:15] <bluefox83> btw, i am finding that since i moved from 9.04 x86 to 9.10 x64 i get way better download times across my wifi...
[07:15] <mzz> meh, nvm
[07:15] <bluefox83> now if they just figure out a way to make it use both my cores, i'll be a happy man :D
[07:16] <mzz> MTecknology: yes, my wm can do all that. I don't need a separate mini-wm just for terms.
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> Ive been using terminator for ages now. :)
[07:16] <bluefox83> also, is boxee available for karmic?
[07:17] <bluefox83> cus...boxee was nice even though it had some kinks to work out...
[07:17] <MTecknology> mzz: but it's all in one nice window - I hate tiling wm's
[07:17] <bluefox83> also, flash 10 works fine in the x64 9.10 >.>
[07:17] <mzz> MTecknology: even non-tiling ones tend to have a "maximize" button and/or keyboard shortcut
[07:17] <bluefox83> MTecknology: you should see mine now D; tones of crap piled
[07:18] <MTecknology> mzz: eh....
[07:18] <MTecknology> mzz: I think you're living in the dark - and I'll leave you there
[07:19] <mzz> MTecknology: I think you are ("I hate tiling wm's", poor you :P)
[07:19] <bluefox83> also i <3 the steadily increasing dl rate from my home wireless network that's sitting at 1MB/sec right now :d
[07:19] <bluefox83> :D
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> Just keep a terminal (*terminator) on monitor #2 maxamized.  and tile terminals in it as needed.  Monitor #1 is the normal desktop
[07:19]  * bluefox83 wishes they would invent a multi-monitor laptop, that would be shweeet!
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> bluefox83:  actually I did thinki saw one once.. but it was proberly a prototype
[07:20] <bluefox83> not just one you can plug monitors into >.>
[07:20] <mzz> and it's really not like I have the screen realestate for this to be all that useful (I usually have at most 4 or so terms visible simultaneously)
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> Theres laptops out now with bigger LCD's then some of my desktop box's have
[07:20] <Brainy|phpBB> Anyone know when the packs of CDs for 9.10 go on sale/are available for ordering?  Clearly they can't ship until code release, but it would be nice to be able to pre-order.
[07:20] <bluefox83> well, my laptop monitor is only 15 inches D:
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> bluefox83:  compared to my netbook.. thats huge-norm-igantc!
[07:21] <bluefox83> Brainy|phpBB: to my knowledge you can do that now...
[07:21] <bluefox83> Dr_Willis: lol, i gues it would be :p
[07:21] <bluefox83> *guess
[07:21] <Brainy|phpBB> Unless I am missing it, the US store only has 9.04 for ordering
[07:24] <MTecknology> mzz: bluefox83: I'm trying to show how pretty it is
[07:24] <bluefox83> so show us!
[07:24] <MTecknology> I'm trying to think of things to fill it up...
[07:26] <KruyKaze> i just formatted a drive and it says 14gigs are being used!
[07:27] <bluefox83> ok, is time for bed!
[07:27] <bluefox83> bye folks
[07:27] <KruyKaze> bye
[07:28] <MTecknology> I finally filled it up
[07:28] <MTecknology> -_-
[07:28] <MTecknology> mzz: http://imagebin.ca/img/jrtKDWX.png
[07:29] <mzz> MTecknology: if that's a realistic screenshot your workflow is weird
[07:29] <MTecknology> mzz: I can take any one of them and make them fill the whole window; or I can do the same and zoom in on it; or even add another tab
[07:29] <mzz> what do you actually use those 45x5 terms for other than screenshots?
[07:30] <MTecknology> mzz: I use 20x2 for openvpn connections
[07:31] <MTecknology> the most I realistically have is ~15 running
[07:31] <mzz> I don't normally use terms narrower than 80 columns
[07:31] <mzz> too much stuff assumes they have at least that many columns, so you get unreadable output like you're getting in the top right one
[07:31] <MTecknology> usually over 10; rarely over 40
[07:31] <mzz> or in the one below that actually (notice "connection timed out" getting split)
[07:31] <MTecknology> if I go over 15, I usually have a new tab
[07:32] <mzz> anyway, given me not using narrow terms screen suffices
[07:34] <MTecknology> mzz: somebody else - http://www.tenshu.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/terminator-mad.png
[07:34] <mzz> sure, but that's not something I actually want to do
[07:35] <mzz> the more limited tiling I'd actually use I can already do
[07:36] <KruyKaze> please i just have a simple question about formatting a drive
[07:36] <MTecknology> KruyKaze: reboot
[07:36] <kblin> how big is the drive, anyway?
[07:36] <KruyKaze> terabyte
[07:36] <kblin> ah
[07:37] <mzz> !ask
[07:37] <kblin> ext4 formatted?
[07:37] <KruyKaze> yes
[07:37] <kblin> ok, I don'
[07:37] <KruyKaze> it says 14gigs used after format
[07:37] <kblin> ok, I don't know about ext4, but ext2 and ext3 keep a certain percentage of the drive reserved for root
[07:37] <mzz> so does ext4
[07:37] <kblin> 5% or somesuch
[07:37] <MTecknology> hurray - my nose it bleeding
[07:38] <kblin> it makes sense if ext4 will do the same
[07:38] <mzz> so if you're comparing "Size" to "Avail" that's what you're seeing
[07:38] <KruyKaze> i'm not going to install os on i just wanna store data
[07:38] <kblin> you can set the percentage using tune2fs, I think
[07:38] <mzz> KruyKaze: you can tweak that percentage using tune2fs, but I recommend you don't since a filesystem that full will be unhappy fragmentation-wise
[07:39] <KruyKaze> unused 916gig used 14gigs
[07:39] <MTecknology> !extents
[07:39] <eagles0513875> kblin: ext4 would use the same amount i am drawing a blank as to where you set that percentage though
[07:39] <KruyKaze> 2%
[07:39] <eagles0513875> but i know it can be changed
[07:40] <MTecknology> i think it's pee and sleep time
[07:40] <KruyKaze> you don't wanna wet your bed
[07:40] <eagles0513875> tmi in my honest opinion
[07:40] <KruyKaze> night MTecknology
[07:41] <KruyKaze> tmi?
[07:41] <kblin> KruyKaze: well, you can lower the percentage
[07:41] <KruyKaze> how?
[07:41] <kblin> too much information
[07:41] <kblin> man tune2fs
[07:41] <KruyKaze> lol
[07:41] <KruyKaze> ah ok
[07:42] <KruyKaze> that 3801 pages
[07:42] <KruyKaze> 380*
[07:42] <Dr_Willis> tune2fs --help
[07:43] <KruyKaze> but you are saying it's not safe?
[07:43] <Dr_Willis> concise info :)
[07:43] <Dr_Willis> I set the reserved % to 1% or less on my drives
[07:43] <KruyKaze> let me check that out
[07:43] <Dr_Willis> 5% is the default and 5% of a 1.5tb hard drive.. is a little.. extreme
[07:44] <kblin> I think the 5% default recommended in the man page is from the olden time, when hard drives were around 200 megs :)
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> Yep.
[07:44] <KruyKaze> yeah 14 gigs is such a waiste
[07:44] <KruyKaze> waste*
[07:44]  * kblin shrugs
[07:44] <kblin> compared to a terrabyte, it's not that much
[07:45] <KruyKaze> lol yes 2%
[07:45] <kblin> :)
[07:45] <KruyKaze> i am so stingy
[07:45] <Dr_Willis> but for my Video collection 'storage' drive.. 14gb is enough to store more home videos
[07:45] <Dr_Willis> :)
[07:45] <KruyKaze> but is it recommended to leave the 2% alone?
[07:46] <Dr_Willis> Depends on your personal needs
[07:46] <KruyKaze> so should i do tune2fs -m 2% ?
[07:46] <Dr_Willis> I set it to 0% on some of my drives
[07:46] <KruyKaze> it's just for storage
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> and you don tuse the % sign
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> You can change it later if you want.
[07:47] <KruyKaze> tune2fs -m 0 ?
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> and the change dosent take efect i think. Untill the filesystem is remounted.
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> ive used 0% befor with no problems
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> i never filled up the drives however.
[07:47] <KruyKaze> tune2fs -m 0 sdb1?
[07:48] <KruyKaze> well maybe tune2fs -m 0.5 sdb1?
[07:48] <Dr_Willis> Flip a coin
[07:48] <Dr_Willis> I doubt if it will metter much
[07:49] <KruyKaze> lol how about the drive sdb1 or dev/sdb1?
[07:49] <Dr_Willis> I think part of the reserved space is for lost+found in case the drive ever gets fscked and has stuff put in Lost+found
[07:49] <Dr_Willis> try one and see
[07:49] <KruyKaze> ok
[07:50] <Dr_Willis> sdb1 would work if you were in /dev/ i imagine when you ran the command
[07:50] <KruyKaze> Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock.
[07:50] <KruyKaze> oh lol
[07:50] <Dr_Willis> You may want to tweak the Mount Counts also...
[07:50] <Dr_Willis> and the Label. :)
[07:51] <Dr_Willis> and perhapss the interval btween checks
[07:51] <EvilAIM_> Hey, is there a way to configure my CPU Scaling?
[07:51] <Dr_Willis> I set my disks up where they dont all get checked at the same time after 30+ mounts
[07:51] <EvilAIM_> And is it recommended to upscale?
[07:51] <KruyKaze> does it have to be mounted now?
[07:52] <Dr_Willis> KruyKaze:  ive dontit on mounted fileysstems befor
[07:52] <Dr_Willis> changes dont get read till the next remount however/reboot
[07:53] <Dr_Willis>  sudo tune2fs  -l /dev/sdb1
[07:53] <KruyKaze> tune2fs: Permission denied while trying to open sdb1
[07:53] <KruyKaze> that works
[07:54] <KruyKaze> so it's dev/sdb1?
[07:54] <Dr_Willis> be more concise... ' what works'
[07:54] <EruditeHermit> hey, when booting, do you guys see a usplash screen?
[07:54] <Dr_Willis> KruyKaze: perhaps /dev/sdb1   like i used....
[07:54] <KruyKaze>  sudo tune2fs  -l /dev/sdb1
[07:54] <Dr_Willis> when in doubt be concise
[07:54] <KruyKaze> agreed
[07:54] <Dr_Willis> EruditeHermit:  theres some bugs with it.
[07:55] <KruyKaze> it gave me a lot of info on the drive
[07:55] <EruditeHermit> Dr_Willis, like what? I upgraded froma jaunty system but I don't see it. But when I boot a live CD of the beta I see something
[07:56] <Dr_Willis> EruditeHermit:  you are about the 8th people ive seen today asking about usplash breaking...
[07:56] <eagles0513875> morning Dr_Willis how are things looking on the update front today
[07:56] <Dr_Willis> I tend todisable it and xsplash
[07:56] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875:  console still broken
[07:56] <eagles0513875> i havent had that issues surface on vms
[07:56] <eagles0513875> O_o
[07:56] <eagles0513875> havent updated my other partition on me macbook yet though
[07:56] <eagles0513875> got my music rocking atm
[07:56] <Dr_Willis> Looks like a classic video driver fighting with console/framebuffer glitz
[07:57] <eagles0513875> shaking the floor with 310watt sub atm
[07:57] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: what video card
[07:57] <eagles0513875> laptop is nvidia 9400M chipset
[07:57] <Dr_Willis> 8800gtsxxx
[07:58] <eagles0513875> humm
[07:58] <eagles0513875> let me try in my vm on this machine its an 8800gt?
[07:58] <KruyKaze> still can't get tune2fs to work
[07:58] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: which driver you using the one in the repos
[07:58] <kblin> KruyKaze: what's the error message?
[07:59] <KruyKaze> kblin, tune2fs: No such file or directory while trying to open dev/sdb1
[07:59] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: you using the nv driver or the driver in the repo?
[07:59] <KruyKaze> kblin, i used tune2fs -m 0.5 dev/sdb1
[08:00] <Dr_Willis> Nvidia driver 185 i think
[08:00] <Dr_Willis> was working fine till this week
[08:01] <kblin> KruyKaze: sure, you're missing a /
[08:01] <Dr_Willis>  sudo tune2fs  -l /dev/sdb1    <--- learn from examples
[08:01] <Dr_Willis> :)
[08:01] <KruyKaze> oh got it :)
[08:01] <Dr_Willis>  /this/that/whatever --> a 'full' path to a device/file/whatever
[08:02] <Dr_Willis>   this/that/whatever -> a relative path
[08:02] <KruyKaze> gotcha
[08:02] <KruyKaze> ok it's set now i format with gparted?
[08:02] <Dr_Willis> err.. you are going about it in the wrong order..
[08:02] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: give it a shot with the nv driver and see if that fixes it if not try the driver from the nvidia site
[08:02] <Dr_Willis> you tune2fs after you partition/format
[08:03] <KruyKaze> ok
[08:03] <Dr_Willis> parttion -> format -> filesystem
[08:03] <KruyKaze> gparted is still showing 14gigs used so i should refresh it?
[08:03] <eagles0513875> i was having a weird issue with the nvidia driver in the repos on alpha 5 and no x with that driver but tried the latest from nvidia and it worked just fine
[08:03] <AnAnt> Hello, why is python2.5 being pulled in today's dist-upgrade ?
[08:03] <Dr_Willis> KruyKaze:  i mentioned a few times it may not take till the system 'reboots'
[08:03] <Dr_Willis> many of those settings are read once at boot time by the kernel.
[08:04] <Dr_Willis> some just need a remount. :) some dont...
[08:04] <KruyKaze> Dr_Willis, sorry for being a pain i'll reboot
[08:04] <Dr_Willis> why are you even worried about it? :) if its set.. its done..
[08:04] <Dr_Willis> what are you wanting todo next?
[08:04] <Dr_Willis> install? copy data over?  is it going tobe 99% full in the next 10 min? :)
[08:04] <KruyKaze> make sure it's recognized :)
[08:04] <Dr_Willis> reboot then and look i guess..
[08:05] <KruyKaze> ok brb :)
[08:05] <Dr_Willis> disabling the fb here.. lets se eif that fix;s my consoles... brb
[08:06] <rsk> Vt broken here aswell
[08:09] <Dr_Willis> Defainatly somthing odd in the console/drivers area.
[08:09] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: did it work with the nv driver only
[08:09] <eagles0513875> prior to installing 185
[08:09] <Dr_Willis> Not tried those yet.
[08:09] <Dr_Willis> 185 worked for me since alpha3
[08:09] <eagles0513875> remove the 185 driver and see if u still have the issue
[08:10] <eagles0513875> if its still there then try the latest from nvidia itself
[08:10] <Dr_Willis> i could also try the older kernels.. but im lazy :)
[08:11] <Dr_Willis> plus i finally got huluplayer for linux working. :)
[08:11] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: i had a weird issues with 185 in alpha 5 x wouldnt even start with either the nv or driver form repos
[08:11] <Dr_Willis> so you can bet what ive been wathcing lately.
[08:11] <eagles0513875> tried the one from nvidia and it fixed that error
[08:11] <Dr_Willis> This is the first nvidia issue ive had in ages...
[08:12] <eagles0513875> hehe
[08:12] <KruyKaze> ok this is nuts storage device manager still says type:ntfs-3g
[08:12] <eagles0513875> O_O
[08:13] <KruyKaze> my thought exactly
[08:13] <Dr_Willis> we dont know what you are doing , or what you have done....
[08:13] <Dr_Willis> i am guessing you missed some little step. like 'applying' changes in gparted.
[08:14] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: you want me to boot and update my other partition on my laptop and see if i have the issue with the nv driver cuz i didnt install the 185 driver from repos
[08:14] <KruyKaze> formatted with gparted to ext4, used sudo tune2fs -m 0.5 /dev/sdb1 and rebooted
[08:15] <KruyKaze> gparted shows it's ext4
[08:16] <eagles0513875> KruyKaze: you check the fstab
[08:17] <KruyKaze> eagles0513875, how?
[08:17] <eagles0513875> nano /etc/fstab
[08:17] <eagles0513875> that will bring up a console text editor but take a look and see what it has in there
[08:18] <KruyKaze> sure enough that shows ntfs-3g
[08:18] <KruyKaze> gparted is lying to me?
[08:18] <eagles0513875> KruyKaze: on the partition u created with gparted?
[08:18] <KruyKaze> eagles0513875, yes sir
[08:18] <eagles0513875> KruyKaze: im starting to wonder if that is the issue
[08:18] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: any ideas doc
[08:19] <KruyKaze> ok i'm reformatting
[08:20] <KruyKaze> on gparted i'm doing 0 free space ext4 and primary partition
[08:21] <EvilAIM> Anyone use SMPlayer?
[08:21] <eagles0513875> KruyKaze: hold on
[08:21] <KruyKaze> ok
[08:22] <eagles0513875> KruyKaze: did you run gparted using sudo gparted
[08:22] <KruyKaze> no
[08:22] <eagles0513875> thats the only way you can make any changes
[08:22] <EvilAIM> This player has a dumb play symbole and a counter like: 00:19:05... 00:19:06
[08:22] <KruyKaze> but it asked for credentials
[08:22] <eagles0513875> then there is ur problem KruyKaze
[08:22] <EvilAIM> that sits in the top left
[08:22] <EvilAIM> I want it to go away when I play vids
[08:22] <EvilAIM> any ideas
[08:22] <eagles0513875> KruyKaze: did you commit the changes
[08:22] <KruyKaze> yes
[08:23] <KruyKaze> i'll restart gparted with sudo
[08:23] <eagles0513875> KruyKaze: not sure what this would do but edit the fstab
[08:23] <eagles0513875> sudo nano /etc/fstab where it says ntfs-3g replace it with ext4
[08:23] <eagles0513875> and reboot
[08:23] <KruyKaze> ok
[08:26] <Dr_Willis> fstab dosent show what anything  'is' it shows what you TOLD it  to be. :)
[08:26] <Dr_Willis> sudo fdisk -l /dev/deviceinquestion      and see what fdisk says it is
[08:26] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: he said its showing its ntfs-3g
[08:26] <KruyKaze> Dr_Willis, i never spoke to it :(
[08:26] <Dr_Willis> KruyKaze:  the installer or somthing did.. fstab does not macigally change when you edit your partitions
[08:26] <KruyKaze> i'm reformatting with gparted using sudo now
[08:26] <Dr_Willis> You must make suer its correct
[08:26] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: upgrading my install atm not vm to see if i have the same issue i believe im running nv driver
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> KruyKaze:  refroamting will NOT change /etc/fstab
[08:27] <KruyKaze> so it needs to be edited
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> if its formated to ect4. then you edit  fstab to show the change.
[08:27] <KruyKaze> sounds good
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875 | sudo nano /etc/fstab where it says ntfs-3g replace it with ext4
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> there may be other edits to make to it also
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> depending on the exact line
[08:27] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: thats what i just told him to do
[08:28] <Dr_Willis>  /dev/whatevber  /media/mountpoint / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1
[08:28] <Dr_Willis> oops extra /
[08:28] <Dr_Willis>  /dev/whatevber  /media/mountpoint ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1
[08:28] <Dr_Willis> my fstab dosent even have entries for my ntfs-3g filesystems any more
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> wonder how its mointing them. :) must be  the automounter stuff
[08:29] <KruyKaze> i am trying to get rid fo all windows traces
[08:29] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: regarding your console issue im currently updating and i dont have the nvidia driver installed
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> KruyKaze:  then delete the lines that mention ntfs-3g and put in proper entries.
[08:29] <KruyKaze> can i do sudo gedit that file?
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875:  yea i need to check the bug listings
[08:30] <Dr_Willis> KruyKaze:  yes.. or use whatever editor you want
[08:30] <Dr_Willis> !fstab
[08:30] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: ill let you know how it goes i have a ton updates to download
[08:30] <Dr_Willis> a proper entry would use the UUID of the filesystems you are wanting to mount.
[08:30] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: and wifi is broken with the pllasma-widget-network manager again
[08:30] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875:  yep. Im waiting a day or so to update my other machines
[08:30] <eagles0513875> i have what i need backed up
[08:31] <eagles0513875> which is my .ssh and .gnupg folders
[08:31] <eagles0513875> the dev work i can easily get again so its no big
[08:31] <eagles0513875> its in bzr anyway
[08:31] <KruyKaze> all i changed in that line is ntfs-3g to ext4
[08:32] <Dr_Willis> KruyKaze:  whates the exact line now?
[08:33] <Dr_Willis>  ntfs-3g is very diffrent  and proberly just changeing tha one thing is not correct.
[08:33] <KruyKaze> Dr_Willis, /dev/sdb1                                  /media/sdb1    ext4         users,user,owner       0  0
[08:33] <Dr_Willis> You probery do not need the users/user/owner option.
[08:33] <Dr_Willis>   /dev/whatevber  /media/mountpoint / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1
[08:33] <KruyKaze> maybe i should put defaults
[08:33] <TheInfinity> but you need defauls
[08:33] <TheInfinity> *defaults
[08:33] <Dr_Willis>  is the default options I got for my / partition
[08:34] <Dr_Willis> You dont need user/users/owner  (some of those ive enver even heard of befor) becuse the users are not going tobe mountint the filesystem
[08:34] <KruyKaze> changed to defaults using device manager
[08:34] <KruyKaze> /dev/sdb1                                  /media/sdb1    ext4         defaults               0  0
[08:35] <Dr_Willis> Your user wont beable to write to the filesystem unless you either chown it tobe owned by them.. or make a directory on it. and chown THAT tobe owned by them
[08:36] <Dr_Willis>  and /media/sdb1 MUST exist befor you can mount that filesystem
[08:36] <KruyKaze> i'll chown it
[08:37] <KruyKaze> chowned
[08:37] <KruyKaze> it sounds like reboot time
[08:37] <Dr_Willis> no need to reboot
[08:37] <Dr_Willis> sudo mount -a
[08:38] <KruyKaze> it's mounted
[08:38] <Dr_Willis> and if you chowned it BEFOR it was mounted..  the chown wont matter....
[08:38] <Dr_Willis> you have to chown it after its mounted
[08:38] <KruyKaze> yes
[08:38] <KruyKaze> done in that order
[08:39] <KruyKaze> now i'll transfer my 500 gis to that drive
[08:39] <eagles0513875> KruyKaze: why the flip make it harder on urself
[08:39] <KruyKaze> gigs*
[08:39] <KruyKaze> eagles0513875, flip?
[08:39] <eagles0513875> instead of another word which cant be mentioned in here
[08:40] <KruyKaze> how did i make it harder on my self eagles0513875?
[08:40]  * ghendar waves to eagles0513875 
[08:41] <eagles0513875> hey ghendar
[08:41] <eagles0513875> to stay having to chown it before and after
[08:41] <eagles0513875> why not just set it to auto mount
[08:42] <eagles0513875> just copy the fstab entry to what ur / partition is set to
[08:42] <KruyKaze> eagles0513875, i was just following dr's instructions
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> all i did was cut/past the  entry in my fstab for / :) and added a path
[08:43] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: wouldnt it be easier for him to just copy an fstab entry that is already auto mounted?
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> if he evenhas any
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> best would be to use the UUID= type format
[08:43] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: in that case how does one find out the UUID of a partition
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> !uuid
[08:44] <eagles0513875> ahhh i just learned something new :)
[08:44] <ghendar> wait... there was a rationale?!  ;)
[08:44] <eagles0513875> ghendar: long story
[08:44] <eagles0513875> lol
[08:44] <KruyKaze> lol
[08:44] <ghendar> I prefer my devs to be willy nilly types
[08:45] <eagles0513875> lol
[08:45] <ghendar> like... ooooh UUID... acronymy goodness, lets use it!
[08:46] <Dr_Willis> I mount minebased on LABEL  :)
[08:46] <KruyKaze> transferring 500 gigs will only take 1hand 15mins
[08:46] <eagles0513875> heheh ghendar
[08:46] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: whats the advantage of using uuid
[08:47] <EvilAIM> Dangit!
[08:47] <ghendar> KruyKaze, 1hand?!  so you can only do it twice then?  ;)
[08:47] <EvilAIM> I can't figure this damn thing out
[08:47] <KruyKaze> 1h and * :D
[08:48] <EvilAIM> Can someone help me
[08:48] <EvilAIM> anyone know anything about smplayer?
[08:48] <ghendar> EvilAIM, depends
[08:48] <KruyKaze> that damn thing sux
[08:49] <EvilAIM> Well, it has a clock
[08:49] <EvilAIM> like, when I'm watching a movie
[08:49] <EvilAIM> it counts up in seconds...
[08:49] <EvilAIM> I want that gone...
[08:49] <darthanubis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lm-sensors-3/+bug/447837
[08:51] <EvilAIM> GOT IT!
[08:51] <EvilAIM> YAY!
[08:51] <KruyKaze> good
[08:51] <EvilAIM> Options -> OSD -> blah
[08:51] <EvilAIM> where blah you set what you want
[08:51] <EvilAIM> just fyi
[08:52] <EvilAIM> :)
[08:52] <eagles0513875> darthanubis: i would take that to the ubuntu-kernel channel
[08:52] <KruyKaze> why do u like smplayer?
[08:52] <EvilAIM> Because, it lets me do stuff
[08:52] <EvilAIM> haha
[08:52] <EvilAIM> This is semi-interesting to explain
[08:52] <darthanubis> eagles0513875, k
[08:52] <KruyKaze> awesome
[08:53] <EvilAIM> smplayer allows something called vdpau
[08:53] <eagles0513875> KruyKaze: you got ur probelm sorted
[08:53] <KruyKaze> fixed that file
[08:53] <EvilAIM> which allows me to use my Video Card to take most of the load of HD movies:)
[08:53] <KruyKaze> but still shows 14gigs used
[08:54] <KruyKaze> EvilAIM, gotcha
[08:54] <EvilAIM> It's 1337
[08:54] <KruyKaze> EvilAIM, like in xbmc?
[08:54] <EvilAIM> ?
[08:54] <EvilAIM> xbmc allows for it?
[08:54] <KruyKaze> xbox media center
[08:54] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: ping. rebooting now to see if i have the console issue
[08:54] <KruyKaze> EvilAIM, yes
[08:55] <EvilAIM> Nice
[08:55] <KruyKaze> yes
[08:55] <EvilAIM> Well, I'll stick to my low resources;)
[08:55] <EvilAIM> I also upscaled my proc
[08:55] <KruyKaze> how low?
[08:55] <EvilAIM> as ubuntu seems to down scale it
[08:55] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: were u running konsole from the desktop or a tty console
[08:55] <EvilAIM> I was sitting at 1 ghz
[08:55] <EvilAIM> now I'm at 2.3
[08:55] <KruyKaze> i'm looking to get htpc
[08:55] <EvilAIM> on my dual core
[08:55] <eagles0513875> EvilAIM: watch ur temps
[08:56] <eagles0513875> if youre overclocking
[08:56] <KruyKaze> it's ok it's winter now
[08:56] <EvilAIM> it's not over clocking
[08:57] <Dr_Willis> Console. :) not Konsole
[08:57] <KruyKaze> EvilAIM, u mean ubuntu was not using it fully?
[08:57] <EvilAIM> I think if I over clocked from 1 gigz to 2.3 gigs it'd blow my house up;)
[08:57] <EvilAIM> correct
[08:58] <EvilAIM> ubuntu down scales
[08:58] <KruyKaze> in general?
[08:58] <EvilAIM> yes
[08:58] <KruyKaze> i have a dual core on my laptop
[08:58] <EvilAIM> check what your cpu usage is...
[08:58] <EvilAIM> and think about what they are
[08:58] <KruyKaze> fsck! how do i upscale?
[08:59] <EvilAIM> haha
[08:59] <KruyKaze> and how do i know if i'm downscaled?
[08:59] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: its a bug with ur driver nv works fine for me but then again im on a different card :( a 9400M
[08:59] <EvilAIM> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[08:59] <EvilAIM> type that
[08:59] <eagles0513875> EvilAIM: thats probably the power management though
[09:00] <eagles0513875> u dont need to be full power all the time
[09:00] <EvilAIM> cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies
[09:00] <KruyKaze> EvilAIM, is that a command?
[09:00] <eagles0513875> granted it will throttle up probably for compilation of programs etc
[09:00] <EvilAIM> and type that
[09:00] <EvilAIM> no
[09:00] <EvilAIM> use the first command to see what your set at
[09:00] <EvilAIM> it'll be CPU MHZ:
[09:00] <EvilAIM> and the second command will tell you how high it can go
[09:00] <EvilAIM> just paste bin results or something
[09:01] <KruyKaze> 2400000 2133000 1867000 1600000
[09:02] <eagles0513875> so 2.4 2.13 1.86 1.6
[09:02] <KruyKaze> yes
[09:02] <KruyKaze> but i'm at 1.6
[09:02] <eagles0513875> KruyKaze: means ur not doing anything processor intensive
[09:02] <KruyKaze> that is soo messed up
[09:02] <eagles0513875> KruyKaze: you on a laptop
[09:02] <eagles0513875> KruyKaze: when u start copying data it should throttle up
[09:02] <Trewas> frequency scaling does not affect performance, the frequency will be ramped up when it is needed, other times some energy is saved by running the processor at lower speed
[09:02] <KruyKaze> right now on desktop
[09:03] <eagles0513875> same concept for desktops
[09:03] <KruyKaze> oh i see
[09:03] <eagles0513875> like Trewas only goes all out when u doing something that needs all the processing power
[09:03] <KruyKaze> got me worried there
[09:03] <EvilAIM> ya
[09:03] <EvilAIM> so the command is:
[09:04] <KruyKaze> to run at 2.4 all the time?
[09:04] <EvilAIM> sudo cpufreq-selector -f 2400000
[09:04] <EvilAIM> ya
[09:04] <EvilAIM> makes yur shit quick
[09:04] <KruyKaze> why would i want that?
[09:04] <EvilAIM> Because, instead of the CPU getting boosted only when it needs, which means lags...
[09:04] <EvilAIM> it just runs at that temp
[09:04] <EvilAIM> but the thing about this command is
[09:05] <KruyKaze> oh i see
[09:05] <EvilAIM> it isn't static, meaning once you reboot, it'll turn itself off
[09:05] <KruyKaze> nitro? lol
[09:05] <EvilAIM> :)
[09:05] <EvilAIM> pretty much
[09:05] <eagles0513875> KruyKaze: ignore him anyway its safer on ur energy bill when u dont need all the power
[09:05] <eagles0513875> right now my mobo is pulling bout 59watts
[09:05] <EvilAIM> I use this command when I need to watch Mooooovies
[09:05] <KruyKaze> it's like revving up all the time
[09:05] <NinjaPlimsolls> hi eagles0513875
[09:05] <eagles0513875> seen it get throttled up as high as 90watts
[09:05] <eagles0513875> hey NinjaPlimsolls
[09:06] <NinjaPlimsolls> eagles0513875, my motherboard is pulling 459watts ;)
[09:06] <eagles0513875> O_O
[09:06] <KruyKaze> mothership?
[09:06]  * eagles0513875 pictures NinjaPlimsolls motherboard melting
[09:06] <NinjaPlimsolls> eagles0513875, with all 6 of my geforce cards, it pulls 1.21 gigawatts
[09:06] <Dr_Willis> fry eggs on the cpu
[09:06] <KruyKaze> eagles0513875, how do you do that?
[09:06] <NinjaPlimsolls> but my flux capacitor isnt working :(
[09:06] <eagles0513875> NinjaPlimsolls: you flipping serious
[09:06] <eagles0513875> KruyKaze: do what
[09:07] <KruyKaze> * eagles0513875 pictures NinjaPlimsolls motherboard melting
[09:07] <eagles0513875> lol NinjaPlimsolls how are your warp cores :P
[09:07] <NinjaPlimsolls> eagles0513875, had to jettison it last week, got a phone call from PowerGen :(
[09:07] <Dr_Willis> 'the engines canna take any moar!'
[09:07] <KruyKaze> *test
[09:07] <eagles0513875> hehe KruyKaze pulling that amount of electricity the components i dont think could handle it
[09:07] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: you get my pm
[09:08] <Dr_Willis> Not really.. been playing 'kq' for a while. :)
[09:08] <KruyKaze> no i mean that * comment
[09:08] <Dr_Willis> !info kq
[09:08] <Dr_Willis> poor bot is slow.
[09:08] <NinjaPlimsolls> i think it needs some coffee
[09:08] <KruyKaze> eagles0513875, plz
[09:09] <NinjaPlimsolls> Dr_Willis, FF7 is still the best roleplaying game ever made
[09:09] <KruyKaze> NinjaPlimsolls, agreed
[09:09] <Dr_Willis> The Playstation 1 emulator in  the repos.. does work nicely.. Im pretty sure it played FF7...
[09:10] <Dr_Willis> Or was that a ps2 game. i forget.. I had one for the PC also...
[09:10] <KruyKaze> psx
[09:10] <NinjaPlimsolls> I still have a PSX so I dig it out sometimes and play through
[09:10] <Dr_Willis> I never did finish it. :)
[09:10] <NinjaPlimsolls> Blasphemer!
[09:10] <KruyKaze> so how do i make a comment"kruykaze is eating a sandwitch" ?
[09:10] <Dr_Willis> i forget how far i got.. i think  that was also the one that was out on the PC.
[09:10] <NinjaPlimsolls> type /me blablabla
[09:10]  * KruyKaze blabla
[09:11] <KruyKaze> :D
[09:11]  * Dr_Willis has no idea how to make a comment"kruykaze is eating a sandwitch" ?
[09:11] <KruyKaze> thx
[09:11] <NinjaPlimsolls> yeah the PC version of it was terrible
[09:11] <NinjaPlimsolls> youd get about 4 hours into it, be free of Midgar and then it would crash
[09:11]  * KruyKaze beat ff7 with 2000 hp max
[09:11] <EvilAIM> :)
[09:11] <EvilAIM> There
[09:11] <EvilAIM> I have an icon for "NoS"
[09:11] <Dr_Willis> last i recall any FF game.. i some how got stuck in a loop where i couldent finish...
[09:11] <EvilAIM> and one for "New Breaks"
[09:11] <EvilAIM> ;)
[09:12] <Dr_Willis> then again - it could of been  i hackec the save game file also...
[09:12] <EvilAIM> one sets my cpu at 2gigahertz
[09:12]  * NinjaPlimsolls bred a gold chocobo, had knights of the round, and killed all weapons ;)
[09:12] <Dr_Willis> shame that one FF-like game that came out 3 mo ago./ (2 mo?) aparently sucked badly
[09:12] <KruyKaze> that was a great achievement
[09:13] <KruyKaze> can u imagine beating sephiroth with 200hp?
[09:13] <KruyKaze> 2000*
[09:13] <NinjaPlimsolls> Ruby weapon was easy.... tried killing it normally a few times but died like a dog, so I just mimed knights of the round on every char and scellotaped the button down lol
[09:13] <Dr_Willis> KruyKaze:  your inner geek is showing. :)
[09:13] <KruyKaze> :D
[09:14] <NinjaPlimsolls> made a cuppa, came back and the fight win screen was up :P
[09:14] <KruyKaze> i'm not afraid to show it
[09:14] <NinjaPlimsolls> i think i fought him with 9999
[09:14] <KruyKaze> pu$$y!
[09:14] <NinjaPlimsolls> :(
[09:14] <KruyKaze> sorry
[09:14]  * NinjaPlimsolls sits on the naughty step
[09:14] <KruyKaze> :D
[09:15] <KruyKaze> i basically didn't level up and faught him
[09:15] <KruyKaze> it was fscking hard
[09:15] <KruyKaze> still have the music playing in my head
[09:16] <NinjaPlimsolls> i remember the Cosmo Canyon theme
[09:16] <eagles0513875> hey guys can u keep it to karmic talk or head to kubuntu-offtopic plz
[09:16] <KruyKaze> :'(
[09:16] <EvilAIM> hey
[09:16] <EvilAIM> kruy
[09:16] <EvilAIM> you in gnome?
[09:16] <KruyKaze> EvilAIM, yes
[09:16] <EvilAIM> right click a panel
[09:16] <EvilAIM> click add to panel
[09:17] <KruyKaze> ok
[09:17] <EvilAIM> "CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor"
[09:17] <EvilAIM> :)
[09:17] <eagles0513875> KruyKaze: its nothing against you just not productive to those who need help with karmic
[09:17] <EvilAIM> blamo
[09:17] <EvilAIM> right there
[09:17] <KruyKaze> eagles0513875, sorry no one else was talking at all
[09:17] <EvilAIM> Lets you scale and pick yur own shit
[09:17] <NinjaPlimsolls> yeah sorry eagles0513875, i feel more like a squatter in this room anyways lol
[09:17] <eagles0513875> lol NinjaPlimsolls hehe well i kinda am as well cuz i only seem to have issues once in a blue moon
[09:18] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: your issue with console didnt surface for me with the nv driver btw
[09:18] <KruyKaze> EvilAIM, then?
[09:18] <NinjaPlimsolls> are .debs installing ok now from GUI?
[09:18] <EvilAIM> just look at it
[09:19] <EvilAIM> that's the exact thing I was telling you about
[09:19] <EvilAIM> you can pick power save
[09:19] <EvilAIM> performance...
[09:19] <bain> Morning
[09:19] <NinjaPlimsolls> morning bain
[09:19] <EvilAIM> That's leet man
[09:19] <KruyKaze> oh isee :D
[09:19] <bain> So I seemt o have found a bug in grub with my setup. Who can I pass the information along to ?
[09:20] <KruyKaze> is that new?
[09:20] <bain> I'm doing a bug report as well
[09:20]  * Dr_Willis files a slug report.
[09:20] <Dr_Willis> :)
[09:20] <Dr_Willis> frost killed the bugs
[09:23]  * EvilAIM touches you *
[09:24]  * NinjaPlimsolls looks at EvilAIM
[09:24] <NinjaPlimsolls> Stop touching meeeeee!
[09:24] <Dr_Willis> Dont make me stop this car!
[09:24] <Dr_Willis> i WILl turn  this thing around!
[09:24] <KruyKaze> lol
[09:25] <NinjaPlimsolls> does anyone here code XHTML or PHP or anything like that?
[09:25] <eagles0513875> i know html NinjaPlimsolls
[09:25] <eagles0513875> hahaha Dr_Willis what u filling a slug against :P
[09:25] <NinjaPlimsolls> I'm trying to find a decent editor to use, right now I'm giving Bluefish a whirl
[09:25] <bain> *sigh* I really hope they fix xterm ...
[09:25] <NinjaPlimsolls> just wondered if there are any other editors
[09:25] <eagles0513875> NinjaPlimsolls: take a look at genii
[09:25] <eagles0513875> !genii
[09:25] <eagles0513875> wtf
[09:25] <bain> NinjaPlimsolls: vi ?
[09:25] <eagles0513875> !geany
[09:25] <eagles0513875> whoops wrong genii
[09:26] <NinjaPlimsolls> vi is like siphillis
[09:26] <eagles0513875> !info geany
[09:26] <bain> NinjaPlimsolls: some of us enjoy catching siphillis :P
[09:26] <eagles0513875> NinjaPlimsolls: geany supports over 30 different languages from html to php to c++ pascal and fortan and more
[09:26] <Dr_Willis> vim Owns you. :)
[09:26] <Dr_Willis> I also use geany
[09:26] <NinjaPlimsolls> cool I'll take a look
[09:26] <eagles0513875> YAY THE FUN OF DOING ENTITY RELATIONSHIP DIAGRAMS
[09:26] <eagles0513875> whoops sry for caps
[09:26] <eagles0513875> ill brb
[09:26] <NinjaPlimsolls> i do most of my coding plaintext anyway, just want nice features like sticking in tags etc
[09:27] <bain> eagles0513875: cound be worse .. you could be doing corportate strategy documentation :)
[09:27] <NinjaPlimsolls> hey, i may be a coder, but that doesnt stop me from being lazy :P
[09:27] <eagles0513875> bain: its part of my course which is alot of math and programming this yr
[09:27] <eagles0513875> bsc computing and information systems
[09:27] <KruyKaze> ok night guys
[09:28] <eagles0513875> NinjaPlimsolls: then go back to winblows :P use dreamweaver u lazy bum
[09:28] <eagles0513875> hahaha
[09:28] <eagles0513875> j/k
[09:28] <NinjaPlimsolls> eagles0513875, wtf?
[09:28] <eagles0513875> hehe j/k bro
[09:28] <NinjaPlimsolls> I just said I do all my coding plaintext
[09:28] <eagles0513875> ] <NinjaPlimsolls> hey, i may be a coder, but that doesnt stop me from being lazy :P
[09:28] <eagles0513875> thats what i was responding to NinjaPlimsolls :P
[09:28] <eagles0513875> if you want to really be lazy dreamweave takes coding out of web programming
[09:29] <eagles0513875> ill be back
[09:29] <NinjaPlimsolls> oh no, i like coding
[09:29] <NinjaPlimsolls> i just dont like typing <br /> 60 times per document lol
[09:29] <eagles0513875> hehe
[09:29] <eagles0513875> copy paste my friend
[09:29] <NinjaPlimsolls> i know :(
[09:29] <eagles0513875> ahhh wrong type of lazy then lol
[09:29] <eagles0513875> brb
[09:30] <bullgard4> What is the function of the loadable kernel driver 'videodev'? The information output of 'modinfo': "v4l1-compat" does mean what?
[09:30] <NinjaPlimsolls> dunno if bazaar-type development would work for a website? id just kick back and let ppl sort out W3C compliance for me :P
[09:31] <bain> *sigh* not to figure out hot o manually install grub on karmic ..
[09:31] <NinjaPlimsolls> what happened bane?
[09:31] <NinjaPlimsolls> bain*
[09:31] <bain> NinjaPlimsolls: grub installer is dying on my during install on one machine.
[09:32] <NinjaPlimsolls> not good
[09:32] <bain> Nope ...
[09:32] <bain> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/440803
[09:33] <NinjaPlimsolls> hmm weird
[09:33] <NinjaPlimsolls> mine worked fine
[09:33] <bain> hmmm ... why would grub not be installed on the base ..
[09:33] <NinjaPlimsolls> tell you what you could do
[09:34] <NinjaPlimsolls> just get a 9.04 live cd and do sudo update-manager -d
[09:34] <bain> ummmm no .. I'm in the dark side of the internet, where we pay for bandwidth
[09:35] <NinjaPlimsolls> haha :P
[09:37] <vinvin> hi
[09:38] <vinvin> I have a question about karmic: I am using it on an hp7 laptop, and the sound level is quite low, and has a lot of bass
[09:38] <vinvin> is there a way to fix this ??
[09:38] <bain> *sigh* .. I give up .. I'll wait for the release and see how it goes ...
[09:40] <vinvin> I prefer the kubuntu interface but might give up beacause of this sound problem
[09:43] <Dr_Willis> gnome dosent have th sound issues?
[09:44] <EvilAIM> what?
[09:44] <EvilAIM> That just gave me a head ache
[09:45]  * Dr_Willis hits EvilAIM  on the toe with a rice mallet.. there ya got.. you will frget about the headache now.,
[09:45] <vinvin> well I haven't tried, but in 9.04 it did not
[09:45] <Dr_Willis> theres been a lot of tweaks/changes to the sound system. I still get a popping noise all the time. :(
[09:46] <vinvin> ok
[09:47] <NinjaPlimsolls> brb
[09:47] <NinjaPlimsolls> lets see if todays updates nuke my system
[09:48] <bullgard4> What is the function of the loadable kernel driver 'videodev'? The information output of 'modinfo': "v4l1-compat" does mean what?
[09:50] <NinjaPlimsolls> weee nothing broke :D
[09:51] <NinjaPlimsolls> wb eagles0513875
[09:51] <Dr_Willis> file a bug.. :)
[09:52] <Dr_Willis> 'Updates dident break somthing.... bug #9999999'
[09:52] <NinjaPlimsolls> lol
[09:52] <NinjaPlimsolls> haven't had any problems running karmic or doing any of the updates
[09:52] <NinjaPlimsolls> so I must be blessed
[09:52]  * NinjaPlimsolls touches wood
[09:53] <eagles0513875> ty ty
[09:53] <eagles0513875> bug #1
[09:53] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: filed ur slug :P
[09:53] <eagles0513875> NinjaPlimsolls: me neither no issues
[09:53] <eagles0513875> but Dr_Willis i really think there is an issue with certain things that got updated from jaunty to karmic possibly xorg or stuff of the sort
[09:54] <Dr_Willis> yea - This is a clean install.. ive not  had any issues till yesterdays update.. watching a video now. i willreboot and try the older kernel next.  as trouble shooting
[09:54] <NinjaPlimsolls> eagles0513875, have you read any of the stuff about Lucid Lynx?
[09:54]  * Dr_Willis is watching a 'meet the gimp tutorial'
[09:54] <eagles0513875> no i havent yet NinjaPlimsolls
[09:54] <eagles0513875> hahah guys go to this bug
[09:54] <eagles0513875> bug number 1
[09:54] <eagles0513875> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1
[09:54] <NinjaPlimsolls> eagles0513875, shuttleworth wants to remove aptitude and synaptic, and just use the Ubuntu software centre
[09:54] <Dr_Willis> first thing i will install will be synaptic......
[09:55] <eagles0513875> O_O NinjaPlimsolls interesting
[09:55] <Dr_Willis> :0
[09:55] <GobiTheGoblin> Hi guys =)  I use this netbook-remix (nvidia, amd), and I have no virtual consoles. Is this common?
[09:55] <eagles0513875> hehe
[09:55] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin:  talk to Dr_Willis he seems to be having console issues
[09:55] <NinjaPlimsolls> eagles0513875, and karmic is the last of GNOME 2.8(something) releases, lynx will have GNOME 3
[09:55] <Dr_Willis> GobiTheGoblin:  what video card/chipset?
[09:55] <eagles0513875> NinjaPlimsolls: hopefully all gnome users wont have issues with it like when 4.0 was rolled out
[09:55] <Dr_Willis> there was someone in here earlier that had no login: showing up.. im having gfx issues on the consoles.
[09:55] <vinvin> ok, I've filled a bug report regarding my sound problem
[09:56] <NinjaPlimsolls> eagles0513875, you mean KDE4? well granted KDE is atrocious
[09:56] <GobiTheGoblin> Dr_Willis: nvidia C51 i believe (lspci)
[09:56] <eagles0513875> ya NinjaPlimsolls but it has come along way
[09:56] <NinjaPlimsolls> eagles0513875, you know whats stopping me from using it?
[09:56] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: are you using the 185 driver from the repositories
[09:56] <eagles0513875> NinjaPlimsolls: what
[09:56] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: yep
[09:56] <Dr_Willis> GobiTheGoblin:  are the consoles 'blank' or is it full of video garbage?
[09:56] <NinjaPlimsolls> treating every icon on the desktop as either some weird folder view thing, or a widget
[09:56] <NinjaPlimsolls> didnt we talk about this the other day? lol
[09:56] <GobiTheGoblin> Dr_Willis: actually, tty1 is garbage others are blank
[09:56] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: remove it and see if you still have the same issue with the generic nv driver
[09:57] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: k, will try. I come back after tests to give results. =)
[09:57] <eagles0513875> ok GobiTheGoblin
[09:57] <eagles0513875> i had something similar where i wouldnt get x workign with 185 in alpha 5
[09:57] <eagles0513875> nv wouldnt work either
[09:57] <eagles0513875> as soon as i tried the driver form nvidia it worked just fine which i found out to be odd
[09:57] <NinjaPlimsolls> for me eagles0513875, GNOME seems to be the more logical of the two DE's
[09:58] <eagles0513875> the way things are sorted there i get uber confused
[09:58] <NinjaPlimsolls> ive always used GNOME though, same with you and KDE i expect?
[09:58] <Dr_Willis> Gnome needs to get over the 'our users are idiots' mentality however.
[09:59] <NinjaPlimsolls> oh definitely, I just prefer GTK, the layout and other stuff
[09:59] <darthanubis> Dr_Willis, are they that far off the mark, considering the questions from buntu users?
[09:59] <Dr_Willis> darthanubis:  yes.
[10:00] <NinjaPlimsolls> it does lack deeper customisation stuff
[10:00] <Dr_Willis> We 'can' handle settings for the screen saver... :)
[10:00] <darthanubis> #ubuntu disagrees with you I think
[10:00]  * nonix4 ponders whether "Fix Released" is wrong state for bugs with fix only in Karmic so far, while Karmic is still "not released"?
[10:00] <Dr_Willis> we can handle  seperate wallpapers for each desktop
[10:00] <Dr_Willis> #1 question i see in #ubntu these days all relate to flash problems.. or people wanting features in gnome
[10:00] <darthanubis> Dr_Willis, i agree with you...but they have to bring users along slowly
[10:01] <Dr_Willis> Then have check box's/settings to show/hide the advanced features
[10:01] <NinjaPlimsolls> darthanubis, very very true
[10:01] <NinjaPlimsolls> I tried KDE and got lost very quickly
[10:01] <Dr_Willis> kde4 is confuseing at first..
[10:01] <cybersplice> Dr_Willis, seriously. Flash is SO vital.
[10:01] <darthanubis> I LOVE KDe4.3 but the Plasmoids are still very weak
[10:01] <Dr_Willis> then  it crashin gall the time makes kde4 harder to figure out
[10:02] <NinjaPlimsolls> i just dont like the idea of plasmoids, at all
[10:02] <Dr_Willis> I still think windowmaker and its warf handled 'widgits' best.. :)
[10:02] <NinjaPlimsolls> yup
[10:02] <Dr_Willis> but i think that feature has been removed from kde4 also..
[10:02] <Dr_Willis> kde3 could have a warf-panel i recall.
[10:02] <darthanubis> I ran KDE4.3 for a month and a half and enjoyed it, but found myself using allGTK apps
[10:02] <NinjaPlimsolls> well, to be fair, the only OS that handles things like widgets sensibly and in a very accessible manner is OSX
[10:03] <darthanubis> If I'm goin gto do that, whats the point
[10:03] <Dr_Willis> Os-X pushes widgits so hard the new mac mice have a button just to show the widgits
[10:03] <NinjaPlimsolls> wow how lazy
[10:03] <darthanubis> I just can't do Jobs, or Ballmer
[10:04] <NinjaPlimsolls> considering all they needed to press previously was an F key
[10:04] <darthanubis> at all
[10:04] <Dr_Willis> next tiem you are at a store check out the aqpple mice.. theres a little round button. (i though i twas a scroll wheel/ball at furst)
[10:04] <NinjaPlimsolls> me neither, Ballmer is pompous and apple hardware is over-priced
[10:04] <darthanubis> apple hardware is over-priced<<<<<<<<<TOTALLY
[10:04] <Dr_Willis> Then again.. that almost makes up for other lacking features of OS-X
[10:05] <NinjaPlimsolls> I just wish some designers would sit down and really get their teeth into a decent looking default ubuntu theme
[10:05] <darthanubis> I like the new looks in Ubuntu
[10:05] <darthanubis> LOVE the icon sts
[10:06] <NinjaPlimsolls> and some icons that dont look like they were made in the 1980's with a copy of Deluxe Paint
[10:06] <darthanubis> sets
[10:06] <ectropy> I like big butts and I cannot lie.
[10:06] <Dr_Willis> I LIKED deluxe pait. :)
[10:06] <NinjaPlimsolls> I preferred painting in BASIC ;)
[10:06] <ectropy> I preferred painting in macpaint
[10:07] <ectropy> yes, google knows about macpaint
[10:07] <GobiTheGoblin> back again. No help there, drivers from nvidia.com didn't help
[10:08] <ghendar> I had a script at some point called photoslop... all it did was open an image apply a mosaic pattern and blur to it so it looked like you spilled a bunch of paint
[10:08] <GobiTheGoblin> actually, now all consoles prints garbage... o_O
[10:08] <NinjaPlimsolls> lol
[10:08] <ghendar> GobiTheGoblin, well, at least they're printing! ;)
[10:09] <GobiTheGoblin> ghendar: :P
[10:09] <ectropy> I had this special plastic adhesive transparent stuff that had wavy lines on it once. You'd knife it along the shoreline, peel off the wax paper, carefully appply it to where oyu wanted it to look watery, then scan it in.
[10:09]  * darthanubis wonders when Google will deem US too stupid to inhabit the planet?
[10:10] <darthanubis> and take measures
[10:12]  * NinjaPlimsolls puts on some SoulFly
[10:17] <bullgard4> '~ $ modinfo videodev; Device registrar for Video4Linux drivers v2.' How can I determine what driver did Ubuntu 9.10 for my USB web cam?
[10:18] <GobiTheGoblin> uuuh.. k. I found this: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/447791
[10:19] <bullgard4> '~ $ modinfo videodev; Device registrar for Video4Linux drivers v2.' How can I determine what driver did Ubuntu 9.10 load for my USB web cam?
[10:19] <Dr_Willis> GobiTheGoblin:  if you rearange the windows on the desktopp... then go back to the consoles.. do the garbage look differently?
[10:20] <Dr_Willis> Hmm that bug report.. is rather...  lacking in info :)
[10:20] <GobiTheGoblin> Dr_Willis: Actually no. It stays the same. It flickers just before entering X
[10:21] <Dr_Willis> GobiTheGoblin:  on mine i see 'large vague blocks' and aparently those are the various windows i have on the desktop
[10:21] <Dr_Willis> if i rearange the windows on X.. then the console 'garbage' changes
[10:22] <Dr_Willis> done watching my video. :) guess i will look into it more now.
[10:22] <Dr_Willis> but i dont want to reboot now.. i got downloads going on. :)
[10:23] <Dr_Willis> gotta love it when you are gettting 1.1mb/s downloads... dont want to reboot now.
[10:23] <EvilAIM> that isn't your normal speed?
[10:23] <Dr_Willis> depends on what the servers are sending  to me.
[10:23] <Dr_Willis> total ive seen higher then that.. but rarely from a single server.
[10:24] <GobiTheGoblin> Dr_Willis: Well with me there is actually very little garbage.. 20 short green lines.. and few blue dots.. but after i change back to X, the whole screen flicers with blue blocks. Well, actually this not a big deal for me :P
[10:24] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: still didnt work for you
[10:24] <Dr_Willis> GobiTheGoblin:  yea. its annoyng.. ibe seen similer issues in the past with X drivers and consoles messing up
[10:24] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: no..
[10:24] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: now get the nvidia driver from the nvidia site
[10:25] <eagles0513875> that fixed issues for me
[10:25] <luca> hi everyone
[10:25] <cybersplice> Hi luca.
[10:25] <shoss> hello, which is the firmware directory on karmic?
[10:25] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: yea. only difference is that now I have same garbage on all virtual consoles :D progress, here I come :D
[10:25] <eagles0513875> hi luca
[10:25] <luca> I need help - I cannot boot into my system anymore, it hangs at "starting cryptswap"
[10:25] <eagles0513875> heheh GobiTheGoblin the latest driver from nvidia itself should fix it
[10:26] <cybersplice> luca, did you create an encrypted /home dir?
[10:26] <cybersplice> wait cryptswap
[10:26] <cybersplice> encrypted the whole machine?
[10:27] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: It might be related to kernel... what I am doing here, I might as well test it straight away... cya
[10:27] <eagles0513875> O_O
[10:27] <luca> cybersplice: I selected the option to have an encrypted home, which implies having also an encrypted swap
[10:27] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: let me know
[10:27] <EvilAIM> I still don't understand why people are using crypt on there home machines
[10:27] <EvilAIM> seems dumb to me
[10:28] <luca> cybersplice: problem is, now nothing functions, after yesterday I had some problems (grub-pc got removed during an upgrade, kernel was upgraded, I removed old kernel .. oops! Now grub is fixed, kinda, but eve if the kernel starts, cryptswap hangs)
[10:28] <luca> EvilAIM: this is a laptop, not properly a home machine
[10:28] <shoss> hello, which is the firmware directory on karmic?
[10:29] <hifi> shoss: /lib/firmware/ as always
[10:29] <luca> EvilAIM: however I have to say that it is more hassle than it is worth, at this point, considering also that nowhere was written "no hibernation possible" AND that I am not able to access my data from live, in any way :(
[10:30] <EvilAIM> I personally don't care about data THAT much to deal with it
[10:30] <bullgard4> '~ $ modinfo videodev; Device registrar for Video4Linux drivers v2.' How can I determine what driver did Ubuntu 9.10 load for my USB web cam?
[10:30] <EvilAIM> at the end of the day if you have your CC #'s or something like that on your computer you're a moron anyways
[10:30] <cybersplice> luca, it sounds like the encryption keys must have been lost
[10:31] <luca> cybersplice: dunno how that could have possibly happened; is there any way to repair it?
[10:31] <EvilAIM> *watches South Park in 1080p*...
[10:31] <EvilAIM> Really?
[10:31] <EvilAIM> this is not normal..
[10:32] <luca> EvilAIM: CC?
[10:32] <shoss> hifi: shouldn't i have a /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent ?
[10:32] <cybersplice> luca, my guess is when you lost those packages (not the kernel), the keys were perhaps overwritten. As to recovery, if the keys were DELETED then, no. Kf n
[10:33] <cybersplice> it depends where/how the keys are
[10:33] <EvilAIM> Credit Card...
[10:33] <cybersplice> EvilAIM, I bet you can see every pore on their skin.
[10:33] <EvilAIM> haha
[10:33] <EvilAIM> it's so stupid
[10:33] <EvilAIM> You can see the texture of the cardboard...
[10:34] <hifi> shoss: I dont have /etc/hotplug so I don't know
[10:34] <GobiTheGoblin> well that was smooth.. I crashed this with overheating :P So, testing with 31-12 was A dumb idea :P
[10:35] <luca> cybersplice: ok, I had recorded the passphrase, and I am following the instructions here: http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2009/03/mounting-your-encrypted-home-from.html
[10:35] <luca> cybersplice: terminal spits out this error: "Error: Your kernel does not support filename encryption"
[10:36] <cybersplice> splarg
[10:36] <cybersplice> what kernel is running?
[10:36] <luca> the live cd one
[10:36] <cybersplice> that's the problem, obviously
[10:36] <luca> I have performed the ecryptfs-add-passphrase --fnek part
[10:36] <luca> mmm
[10:36] <luca> wait
[10:36] <cybersplice> that might have splatted the keys itself
[10:36] <luca> maybe I did not do one thing properly
[10:36] <luca> one sec
[10:36] <cybersplice> let me look at your doc
[10:37] <cybersplice> ok.
[10:39] <cybersplice> luca, that should work pretty well, if it's not working then the best bet is to chroot into the broken system and reinstall the correct kernel
[10:40] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: you try new nvidia driver from nvidia or not yet
[10:40] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: Yea, I have the official one
[10:40] <eagles0513875> and did it fix the issue
[10:40] <luca> cybersplice: ok, it's working, at least now I have access to my data
[10:40] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: nope
[10:40] <eagles0513875> :(
[10:40] <eagles0513875> then i dunno :(
[10:40] <cybersplice> luca, yes, good stuff. Hope you're frantically performing your backup!
[10:40] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: It's ok really.. i rarely even use it
[10:41] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: did u upgrade it from jaunty
[10:41] <eagles0513875> *you
[10:41] <luca> cybersplice: I am grabbing my disk! :)
[10:41] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: No, clean install
[10:41] <eagles0513875> strange GobiTheGoblin
[10:41] <cybersplice> luca, i had to get PGP Universal Server at work, becuase my users are endlessly expert at forgetting their passphrases... similar issues ensued..
[10:42] <eagles0513875> is there a channel on freenode for the netbook remix GobiTheGoblin
[10:42] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: that would be really strange if it would be up to that
[10:43] <eagles0513875> lol GobiTheGoblin cuz i had some issues with upgrading from jaunty to karmic
[10:44] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: well I think those smart devs figure this one out eventually too.. It is not so big of a deal for me. All i wanted to test emacs on it
[10:44] <o_portista17> can someone thell me, what version of Firefox, do you all have on ubuntu?
[10:44] <eagles0513875> !info firefox | o_portista17
[10:44] <cybersplice> luca, not that you forgot your passphrase, obviously..
[10:44] <eagles0513875> o_portista17: that answer your question :)
[10:44] <o_portista17> thank you
[10:44] <cybersplice> ubottu is so win.
[10:45] <o_portista17> my firefox, it's now, Shiretoko ;<
[10:45]  * cybersplice facepalm.
[10:45] <luca> cybersplice: yeah, thankfully I had immediately printed it out
[10:45] <cybersplice> luca, you're supposed to  memorise it!
[10:46]  * cybersplice wonders if everyone is as paranoid as he is, and has four 20+ character passphrases memorised....
[10:46] <luca> cybersplice: an exadecimal passphrase of about 20 characters? not about to happen, I fear
[10:47] <luca> cybersplice: I have a *very* solid memorised login passphrase, to be sure, but the encrypted passphrase is a bit too much for me ;)
[10:47] <cybersplice> luca: Hah! Fair enough. Keep it secret, keep it safe.
[10:48] <cybersplice> My kitteh wants to talk to #ubuntu+1
[10:48] <cybersplice> Bloody cat...
[10:48] <GobiTheGoblin> luca: It's easy. Think a sentence, like "My cat is driving me mad" etc and when you type it, use a letter from upper right or left.. like "M" -> "K", "y" -> "7" etc
[10:49] <GobiTheGoblin> You get "K7 fw6 9e r59g9jy k4 kwr"
[10:49] <cybersplice> To be honest, long sentences are far easier to remember than complex nonalphanumeric phrases and almost as strong.
[10:49] <luca> GobiTheGoblin: sounds like a good advice, but I am not going to follow it with such an important thing straight away :D
[10:49] <cybersplice> Hells, adding spaces exponentially increases bruteforce complexity.
[10:49]  * cybersplice does information security for a living.
[10:50] <luca> cybersplice: I agree. Here I am talking about the exadecimal passphrase needed to restore the keys in the encrypted home case. Actually, without the login passphrase, I guess a cracker would be still out there in cold
[10:50] <GobiTheGoblin> luca: When I got used to it, I never looked back =)
[10:50] <luca> GobiTheGoblin: :)
[10:51] <cybersplice> luca, given a user who is not an idiot, WDE makes local data security pretty much irrelevant.
[10:51] <Dr_Willis> so using all spaces makes it impossible to bruteforce
[10:51] <Dr_Willis> :)
[10:51] <diverse_izzue> when i suspend my laptop by closing the lid it falls asleep again right after waking up. when i thereafter wake it up with the power button, it stays up. known bug?
[10:51] <cybersplice> In using dropbox / ubuntu one, etc, i tend to GPG the files i upload, so again, cracking is largely irrelevant.
[10:51] <cybersplice> Dr_Willis, Totally. Throw in a fullstop somewhere and you're golden.
[10:52] <luca> cybersplice: ok now I am doing my backups, question, could have performed the "ecryptfs-add-passphrase" solved my problem?
[10:52] <cybersplice> luca, why not check your /var/log/messages to see if there was a kernel fault.
[10:52] <luca> by the way: being able to access the data from the live MUST be made more user-friendly, not easier, more user-friendly
[10:52] <luca> cybersplice: -.-'
[10:52] <luca> sometimes I am an imbecile
[10:53] <icesmurf> howdy.
[10:53] <icesmurf> anyone here familiar with the dell-laptop package?
[10:53] <icesmurf> er kernel module i mean :)
[10:53] <GobiTheGoblin> diverse_izzue: I have similar issues
[10:54] <GobiTheGoblin> diverse_izzue: though, don't know about bug report tough
[10:54] <cybersplice> luca, i'm always an imbecile.
[10:54] <diverse_izzue> GobiTheGoblin, you haven't reported it?
[10:54] <cybersplice> icesmurf, i'm on a dell laptop and i've never used it. :D
[10:54] <dupondje> somebody here can test something in Thunderbird? I have enabled that when I mark a message as SPAM, it gets moved to Junk folder, but when I mark a mail as spam, it just gets marked and not moved ...
[10:54] <luca> cybersplice: ;) ok, going through it
[10:55] <diverse_izzue> GobiTheGoblin, are your issues similar or the same?
[10:55] <GobiTheGoblin> diverse_izzue: no
[10:55] <luca> cybersplice: this is odd! no more log messages after I did the reboot from which all this mess started
[10:56] <GobiTheGoblin> diverse_izzue: well, If I unplug this from power cord, when as sleeps, it wakes up and then starts to hibernate
[10:56] <luca> cybersplice: not even this morning, when the grub had been fixed
[10:56] <GobiTheGoblin> diverse_izzue: so not the same...  similar
[10:56] <cybersplice> luca, tail /var/log/kern.log
[10:56] <GobiTheGoblin> *when it is asleep
[10:57] <cybersplice> luca, the keys are obviously present, this has to be a kernel / config error.
[10:57] <icesmurf> cyber: yeah me to , and it's blocking network manager from being able to see the wireless devices.
[10:57] <luca> cybersplice: I am looking at the end of that file, and I tell you, no more messages there since yesterday night, before the chaos ensued
[10:57] <icesmurf> i think it's bugged, or exposing a bug in the dell bios.
[10:57] <cybersplice> luca, you're looking at kern.log?
[10:57] <cybersplice> huh.
[10:58] <cybersplice> how bizzare.
[10:58] <luca> cybersplice: I have upgraded the kernel today, from chroot, and run update-grub with sudo having logged in
[10:58] <luca> cybersplice: could that have solved it? and yeah, it IS bizzarre :_/
[10:58] <luca> :-/
[10:58] <cybersplice> luca, it's possible, yes
[10:58] <cybersplice> why not give it a try?
[10:58] <luca> cybersplice: after the backup :)
[10:59] <cybersplice> luca, ahaha, ofc.
[11:02] <cybersplice> luca, try this if it doesn't work https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemHowto8
[11:02] <cybersplice> check the grub config against that one
[11:02] <cybersplice> depending on wether you have grub2 or grub
[11:02] <cybersplice> I have to go for a while, but will be back later.
[11:04] <luca> cybersplice: thanks! however, the fstab here is quite different from the one which was installed on the system, just to say. Will have a look :)
[11:09] <nysosym> hi there
[11:09] <nysosym> i have a problem with xkb
[11:10] <nysosym> http://www.pastebin.org/42293
[11:10] <nysosym> any idea how to solve this?
[11:31] <Cynthia> Aw, with yesterday's updates we have to enter our password to check for updates again :(
[11:32] <Dr_Willis> the updates need tobe updated ;)
[11:32] <theallan> Hello all - having an issue installing libavcodec52 on Karmic - it says that it depends on libdirac-encoder0, but that is not installable - any idea where I mgiht find libdirac-encoder0?
[11:33] <Dr_Willis> update/upgrade/dist-upgrade  try again perhaps?
[11:33] <Dr_Willis> !find libdirac
[11:33] <Cynthia> theallan: apt-get update && apt-get install libdirac-encoder0
[11:33] <Cynthia> this will either fix the dependency problem which is not in the repository anymore, OR tell you what the dependency problem is
[11:34] <Dr_Willis> its allready installed here.
[11:34] <theallan> It says "Package libdirac-encoder9 has no installation candidate"
[11:35] <nysosym> hi there, its impossible to click on buttons in flash apps...
[11:35] <theallan> but has been refered to by another package... (presumable libavcodec52)
[11:35] <nysosym> any fix
[11:37] <Dr_Willis> flash is getting to be the #1 problem in linux it seems
[11:37] <theallan> Cynthia: Dr_Willis: I've actually just found the encoder library in /usr/lib/libdirac_encoder*, however this doesn't seem to be getting picked up by the package installer
[11:38] <Cynthia> nysosym: are you using the 32-bit non-free Flash on 64-bit, or the free Flash (Gnash) on any architecture?
[11:39] <nysosym> 32bit non flash on 64bit
[11:39] <nysosym> free
[11:39] <Cynthia> use the 64-bit Flash from Adobe Labs
[11:39] <Cynthia> http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/64bit.html
[11:40] <Dr_Willis> nysosym:  got an example url to show the problem?
[11:40] <nysosym> http://www.incredibox.fr/
[11:40] <Dr_Willis> ive not noticed the issue hwere on 32bit flash on 64bit system *i think*
[11:40] <nysosym> and youtube videos
[11:40] <Cynthia> nysosym: and then copy the extracted file to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins (as root or sudo) OR into /home/youruser/.mozilla/plugins
[11:41] <Dr_Willis> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG0APKeWjIA&feature=popular   works here
[11:42] <Dr_Willis> unless you got a more specifi url with the issue
[11:42] <theallan> Cynthia: Dr_Willis: I do apologise! I types the update command wrong :-( After doing that the installed ackages must have been synced and it works great now!
[11:42] <theallan> thanks very much for the help
[11:42] <Cynthia> theallan: you're welcome, and no worries :)
[11:43] <nysosym> Cynthia, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG78FXhdig0&feature=popular
[11:45] <Cynthia> nysosym: I'm a bit of a lost cause, since I have the 64-bit Flash from Adobe
[11:46] <Cynthia> But I know what you mean; the 32-bit one would have seemingly ignored mouse events
[11:46] <ltspadmin> hi i install ubuntu 9.10 with amd64bit ltsp server
[11:46] <ltspadmin> evolution 2.22 version is faster then 2.26 ?
[11:47] <bullgard4> [GNOME] MultiMedia System > Audio > Default Input > Plugin:=PulsAudio soundserver > Device:=Default > Test does not produce a test sound. snd_usb_audio is loaded. How to troubleshoot?
[11:47] <Dr_Willis> nysosym:  that url also works here.   i can play/pause/click on the spam links
[11:48] <Cynthia> bullgard4: Input tests don't really produce sounds, I think. You should try an Output test instead.
[11:48] <rockrat> hello
[11:49] <Cynthia> bullgard4: Or is your USB audio device a microphone? :)
[11:49] <luca> hi again; same problem, cannot boot
[11:50] <bullgard4> Cynthia: I wanted to test the microphone of my newly bought webcam.
[11:50] <mo0nykit> How do I get a list of loadable modules? modinfo? modprobe?
[11:50] <luca> the boot stops, either during normal boot OR recovery mode, at the "cryptswap1 started" step
[11:50] <bullgard4> mo0nykit: lsmod
[11:50] <Cynthia> mo0nykit: modprobe -l (lower case L)
[11:51] <bullgard4> mo0nykit: lsmod will give you a list of loaded modules, rather.
[11:51] <Cynthia> bullgard4/microphone: ok. Are you trying it in Sound Preferences or a sound recorder?
[11:52] <nysosym> hmmm the 64bit flash version doesnt work
[11:52] <mo0nykit> thanks.. But how about *loadable* modules?
[11:52] <nysosym> 10.0.32.18
[11:52] <Cynthia> mo0nykit: modprobe -l (lower case L)
[11:53] <rockrat> when i change theme, borders change, icons change but control doesn't change. its always set to Raleigh. plz help
[11:53] <bullgard4> Cynthia: I am trying it in the new program "Multimedia System". This can be run by the command gstreamer-properties.
[11:53] <Cynthia> actually I should say modprobe -l | less, or modprobe -l > modules.txt, because the list is long :)
[11:53] <Dr_Willis> rockrat:  i had a odd quirk where somthing crashed so they dident change.. but once i logged out/back in they did.
[11:53] <Dr_Willis> rockrat:  i think some gnome-setting-deamon/servce crashed.. and the logout restarted it
[11:54] <rockrat> Dr_Willis: i restarted twice but it stays same
[11:54] <Dr_Willis> That is odd.
[11:54] <rockrat> Dr_Willis: i also killall gnome-panel but no help
[11:54] <Dr_Willis> Try a new user  - see if it affects them also - as a test
[11:54] <mo0nykit> Cynthia, thanks. for example if I want to load soundcore.ko, I'll say "sudo modprobe soundcore" ?
[11:54] <Cynthia> mo0nykit: yes
[11:55] <rockrat> Dr_Willis: how can i trace gnome-settings-daemon/service ? /var/log ?
[11:55] <mo0nykit> Cynthia, thanks!
[11:55] <Dr_Willis> rockrat:  not sure - i dident look into it very much - since its working now for me
[11:55] <Cynthia> bullgard4: if you speak in the microphone while gstreamer-properties is testing, does it come out of your speakers?
[11:55] <Dr_Willis> just had that problem once
[11:56] <Cynthia> bullgard4: and have you tried gnome-sound-recorder, or just gstreamer-properties?
[11:56] <rockrat> Dr_Willis: hmm. well it ain't for me though
[11:56] <rockrat> Dr_Willis: which log file associated with gnome settings
[11:57] <bullgard4> Cynthia: No. There is (acoustical) feedback and thus howling. I am not sure if this test tests the laptop's internal microphone.
[11:57] <nysosym> Cynthia, the 64bit version of flash doesnt solve the problem
[11:57] <bullgard4> Cynthia: No, Because the video test works all right via this program.
[11:59] <Cynthia> bullgard4: change the input device in gnome sound preferences (system/preferences) if you have two microphones, this will ensure you have the right device in gstreamer-properties (or, heck, it may be that the default sound device in gstreamer-properties doesn't affect non-GStreamer apps)
[11:59] <bullgard4> Cynthia: I have just verified that it tests the computer' internal microphone.
[11:59] <bullgard4> s/computer'/computer's/
[11:59] <Cynthia> nysosym: it fixed it rather well here, I'm not sure what problem you have
[12:00] <nysosym> is a restart necessary?
[12:00] <Cynthia> nysosym: ls /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins ~/.mozilla/plugins (end of command) and check that libflashplayer.so is there, not the .tar.gz if applicable
[12:01] <Cynthia> you should only need to restart Firefox for the new plugin to be loaded
[12:02] <nysosym> jep libflashplayer.so is there
[12:02] <Cynthia> just to make sure, uninstall whatever 32-bit flash plugin you had before as well
[12:02] <nysosym> but its green in my terminal
[12:03] <bullgard4> Cynthia: In alsa-mixer I changed <Mic Sel> from Mic1 to Mic2. Then the test does not produce any sound even if I knock onto the webcam.
[12:03] <Cynthia> i.e. apt-get purge flashplayer-installer, or any other 'reversing' command
[12:04] <Cynthia> bullgard4: then perhaps the device is unsupported in Karmic, unfortunately, but I'm in no position to make this claim a valid one; check on the Ubuntu Forums to see if anyone else has problems with webcam mics
[12:04] <nysosym> removing the installer works :)
[12:04] <nysosym> thx
[12:04] <Cynthia> nysosym: you've restarted Firefox after uninstalling as well? and the clicks work now?
[12:05] <nysosym> jep :)
[12:05] <Cynthia> nysosym: cool :)
[12:05] <bullgard4> Cynthia: I will check that. It is a bit difficult to select the right "Karmic' hits.
[12:06] <Cynthia> bullgard4: yes, lots of things are for older versions of Ubuntu on the forums, due to them being big archives of threads
[12:06] <Cynthia> including the word 'karmic' in searches is sure to improve upon that a bit
[12:07] <nysosym> Cynthia, if you now have a solution for my xkb problem, im going to love you :D
[12:08] <nysosym> http://www.pastebin.org/42293
[12:08] <Cynthia> nysosym: I may, or I may not, ask your question in here and anyone knowing a solution can help you
[12:09] <nysosym> i wanne change my keyboard layout und get the message
[12:10] <Cynthia> nysosym: gnome, kde or xfce?
[12:10] <Cynthia> (or plain X)
[12:10] <nysosym> gome
[12:10] <nysosym> gnome
[12:10] <nysosym> on a macbook
[12:10] <Cynthia> have you tried this in System/Preferences/Keyboard first?
[12:10] <bullgard4> Cynthia: What I was going to explain was this: I had done searching and included the catchword "karmic". But most of the many hits brought about websites with 'Ubuntu Karmic' not related to my problem at hand. --  I will continue snooping.  --  Thank you for your encouragement.
[12:10] <Cynthia> bullgard4: Ah, I see. Good luck on your search :)
[12:13] <nysosym> Cynthia, sure i have changed my keyboard layout in System>Preferences>Keyboard
[12:14] <Cynthia> nysosym: I can see what keyboard layout you're trying to use in that Pastebin post, but I don't see how that sequence of layouts is an error; you should seek support in X.org's bug tracker, mailing list or #xorg here
[12:15] <Cynthia> I suggest #xorg first
[12:18] <NinjaPlimsolls> Cynthia, are you from Canonical?
[12:22] <Cynthia> NinjaPlimsolls: no
[12:22] <Cynthia> I'm just someone who's testing the Karmic pre-releases from Alpha 5 onwards :P
[12:25] <NinjaPlimsolls> you're very efficient :)
[12:25] <Cynthia> if I was from Canonical, my host would probably look like @ubuntu/developer/cynthia
[12:28] <Cynthia> oh hey, updates brought out a Restart Required dialog, but it was unfocused so I never saw it
[12:31] <Cynthia> yet another unannounced change in humanity-icon-theme, but I don't mind those
[12:34] <luca> help please - is there a way to troubleshoot a hanging boot problem, with no messages printed into kern.log? :(
[12:34] <luca> I am blocked out of my own computer :(
[12:35] <madm1ke> dont u see any messages at boot time?
[12:36] <Cynthia> most of the time, kernel problems at boot require a photo of the screen
[12:36] <oldude67> is empathy in repos close to being up to date?
[12:37] <Cynthia> if you're using GRUB2, which you are because you're using Karmic, you hold Shift at boot time to get into GRUB2's menu, then you edit the first boot entry to remove the word 'quiet', then you press Ctrl+X and take a picture of the last text that appears
[12:37] <Cynthia> luca: ^
[12:38] <luca> Cynthia: seems a sound advice
[12:38] <Cynthia> also remove the word 'splash' maybe
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> i recall there also being a 'verbose' option you could add at one time..
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> but that may talk Too much
[12:39] <luca> Cynthia: in any case, I can tell you that the last words that appear while trying a recovery mode boot are "error inserting pad_shamlock (i'll have to google to get the exact wording, sorry)" and cryptswap1 started, then stopping there
[12:39] <Cynthia> pam_ probably
[12:39] <Cynthia> it's for authentication
[12:40] <madm1ke> padlock-sha maybe?
[12:40] <madm1ke> isnt this some optional via crypto device?
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. I would really like it if this HuluDesktop thing dident start playing a video of their chooseing automatically.. execially when its a video of people throwing up...
[12:41] <oldude67> Dr_Willis, ewe..lol
[12:41] <Cynthia> Dr_Willis: o_O too much information
[12:41] <luca> madm1ke: yes!
[12:42] <Dr_Willis> Yep.. i thought so also.. some  show called the 'office' or somthing
[12:42] <madm1ke> luca: you shouldnt be worried about this message
[12:43] <luca> madm1ke: ok, then, the problem is probably elsewhere I guess :-/
[12:46] <madm1ke> luca: are you booting with "nosplash" and "noquiet" ?
[12:46] <luca> checking
[12:46] <luca> madm1ke: I was looking a bit in Internet for some other clue
[12:47] <madm1ke> you might want to try that and see if it reveals some more information
[12:47] <mrberlf> hello
[12:47] <mrberlf> is there a way to manage kaffeine with dbus?
[12:47] <luca> madm1ke: wait, with grub-pc, what is the right config file to check and modify?
[12:47] <mrberlf> i have installed the new kubuntu karmic and there is the new kaffeine pre2
[12:47] <mrberlf> but it lacks many features...d.bus, dvb channels grouping. is there a way to get the old kaffeine 0.8 instead
[12:47] <blueyed> xmodmap appears to be broken with regard to exchanging pointer button 2 and 9 in my case.. With "pointer = 1 9 2 4 5 6 7 3 8" the physical buttons 2 and 3 are both mapped to 9..  "Emulate3Buttons" "False" is explicitly off in xorg.conf.
[12:48] <mrberlf> please re-include the old kaffeine 0.8 in karmic untill they finish developing the new one...
[12:49] <madm1ke> mrberlf: you could try getting the kaffeine-package for jaunty from packages.ubuntu.com and install it instead.
[12:49] <mrberlf> i could try this but i thing i will get many brocken dependencies
[12:49] <madm1ke> mrberlf: this is probably the wrong place to mention this. try to tell the kaffeine package maintainers your opinion
[12:49] <madm1ke> mrberlf: well, maybe :)
[12:50] <mrberlf> i think this is the right place to say not to exclude the old kaffeine in karmic
[12:50] <dupondje> somebody here can test something in Thunderbird? I have enabled that when I mark a message as SPAM, it gets moved to Junk folder, but when I mark a mail as spam, it just gets marked and not moved ...
[12:50] <mrberlf> the new kaffeine is not yet ready to replace the old one
[12:51] <mrberlf> it misses many features
[12:51] <Raphi974> Hi
[12:53] <madm1ke> mrberlf: then maybe you could help -> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kaffeine   :)
[12:55] <mrberlf> madm1ke: i think it is a big mistake to replace the "old" kaffeine in karmic as it lacks many features.
[12:55] <mrberlf> expecially d-bus support
[12:55] <madm1ke> mrberlf: dont tell me, i cant change that :)
[12:55] <mrberlf> who can?
[12:56] <Forza4Life> anyone know why karmic comes with fewer screensavers than jaunty did?
[12:56] <madm1ke> mrberlf: look at the launchpad page i posted
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> Forza4Life:  save disk space i would imagine
[12:57] <Forza4Life> it is just a little gripe
[12:57] <Dr_Willis> The cd is about as packed as it can get.  I can think of other things i would want removed.. :) and others added
[12:58] <mrberlf> ok bye
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> But i got a script wrote up that adds the stuff i want.
[12:58] <Forza4Life> karmic is working wonderfully for me so far...love it  just trying to iron it all out
[12:58] <mrberlf> i will go back to jaunty bye
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> mrberlf:  its a free country.. do what you want
[12:58] <nysosym> is there any configuration utility for the notification popup?
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> nysosym:  not that ive noticed/seen yet..
[12:59] <Forza4Life> apparently he thought he should get RIGHT NOW help.....irc dont work that way
[12:59] <Raphi974> I'm having issues with the screen luminosity. it flashes... non-stop... anyone can help me ?
[12:59] <nysosym> Dr_Willis, do you know one of the developers?
[12:59] <madm1ke> funny thing.. kaffeine 0.8 installed without a single dependency problem :/
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> nysosym:  nope.
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> madm1ke:  oh the humanity of it all!
[13:01] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. HuluPlayer is now working decently well.. and Wow. I found a new Stargate Series.. Inever watch tv.. so id never heard abou tit. ;0
[13:01] <Forza4Life> hulu is nice
[13:01] <Dr_Willis> they are getting better at some of the VERY annoying things they did in the past.
[13:02] <nysosym> any karmic user with a macbook here?
[13:04] <Leftmost> Yep.
[13:04] <aprilhare> has anyone noticed bugs with firefox download? not able to display downloaded files through firefox? all files have unknown applications for opening? telling it to open upon download with any particular application causes download to fail?
[13:04] <Raphi974> I have issues with Totem when playing videos with subtitles... it simply doesn't play it.... and crashes. Anyone has the same problem ?
[13:04] <aprilhare> stuff like that? :)
[13:04] <Leftmost> nysosym, what's up?
[13:05] <aprilhare> its seriously a mess. the firefox search bar does not work here *at all*
[13:05] <nysosym> Leftmost, do you have a notification for changing the brightness of your monitor?
[13:05] <Leftmost> As in with notifyosd?
[13:05] <Skiessi> http://paste.servut.us/plain/1wvr
[13:05] <nysosym> Leftmost, yes
[13:05] <gunni> I updated my laptop from jaunty to karmic (changing sources list jaunty->karmic, dist-upgrade) now i cant boot  with the 2.6.31 kernel. The old kernel (2.6.28) boots in recovery, so i can access a terminal. The harddisk is encrypted, and with 2.6.26 i can enter the passphrase at boot, but in 2.6.31 i cannot. In 2.6.31 boot stops at "waiting for encrypted device" or something like this, and stays there. Any ideas?
[13:05] <Leftmost> Yeah, but that may be due to a small amount of customization I did.
[13:05] <Raphi974> Leftmost, you have the bug with the brightness too ?
[13:06] <Leftmost> Brightness works just fine for me.
[13:06] <Raphi974> the brightness of my netbook juste keep changing non-stop...
[13:06] <Raphi974> +1 , -1, +1, -1...
[13:06] <nysosym> Leftmost, brightness change works well, after installing pommed, but there is no notification
[13:06] <Raphi974> etc...
[13:06] <Leftmost> I'm not using pommed.
[13:07] <nysosym> what have you done?
[13:07] <Leftmost> I have a policy file somewhere. Let me dig it up.
[13:08] <topyli> fyi, you don't upgrade ubuntu with apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:08] <topyli> use 'update-manager -d' if you must install a beta
[13:11] <Leftmost> Hmm. The policy file is no longer installed, it seems. nysosym, do you have nvidia-bl-dkms installed?
[13:11] <Leftmost> May need the mactel-support PPA in your repositories list.
[13:11] <nysosym> i have no nvidia card, just gma 950
[13:12] <Leftmost> Ahh, older MacBook. That always worked out of the box for me.
[13:12] <paolob> Hi guys! epiphany-gecko is getting more and more broken: I had reverted to epiphany-gecko, but after this morning full-upgrade I found that it was automatically replaced buy epiphany-webkit. So I purged epiphany-webkit and reinstalled epiphany-gecko. Aptitude search tells me that epiphany-webkit is purged, but launching epiphany runs epiphany-webkit... any hint?
[13:12] <nysosym> hmm :
[13:12] <nysosym> :/
[13:13] <greg__> hi guys trying to isntall a package on my box - i run the install script and get /usr/src/linux: no such file or directory... i've apt-get installed linux-source and linux-headers....what am i doing wrong? gcc is installed as well?
[13:16] <Tarthen> something's wrong
[13:16] <Tarthen> everything works
[13:17] <Tarthen> o.o this isn't a beta xD
[13:17] <wirechief_> haha
[13:17] <Tarthen> wait, haven't updated yet
[13:17] <Tarthen> lets see what breaks :)
[13:17] <wirechief_> this is not ubuntu
[13:17] <oldude67> everything
[13:17] <Tarthen> xD
[13:18] <Tarthen> I honestly wonder what Karmic's regression will be
[13:19] <Tarthen> Hardy was sound, Jaunty was Intel
[13:19] <wirechief_> i think grub2
[13:19] <paolob> Tarthen, jaunty -> karmic has a regression in epiphany-gecko -> epiphany-webkit
[13:19] <oldude67> wirechief_, i havent had a problem with it.
[13:20] <Nafai> paolob: What's the regression there?
[13:20] <Tarthen> paolob: Who uses epiphany?
[13:20] <Tarthen> srsly
[13:20] <Tarthen> FF ftw
[13:20] <Nafai> Chromium :)
[13:20] <oldude67> opera
[13:20] <jorn> I'm trying to find some information about making windows vista Default in GRUB2, but I cannot find anything. Anyone who can help me?
[13:20] <paolob> see http://it.cathopedia.org/, a mediawiki site: the left bar is presented below the right one, no other browser presents it this way
[13:20] <Tarthen> jorn: Looked in grub.cfg?
[13:20] <Nafai> paolob: The regression being the ephiphany now uses webkit or is there some brokeness?
[13:20] <oldude67> !grub
[13:20] <wirechief_> i just updated my jaunty remix and it chokes now on grub2, i guess its time to move on, maybe karmic remix will work now ...
[13:21] <jorn> Tarthen : That file says I should not manually edit it..?
[13:21] <paolob> Nafai, if you want to use epiphany-gecko you find many oddities, the first is that you cannont change easily from webkit to gecko
[13:21] <Tarthen> jorn: *shrug* I do it. just be careful
[13:22] <Nafai> paolob: I didn't think that was a Ubuntu issue...epiphany upstream switched to webkit, did it not?
[13:22] <jorn> Tarthen : And run update-grub afterwords like before?
[13:22] <paolob> Nafai, yes, but it should let me the freedom to use gecko
[13:22] <oldude67> jorn yes
[13:23] <Nafai> paolob: So you want the upstream developers to support both?
[13:23] <jorn> oldude67 and tarthen : thanks :)
[13:23] <Nafai> This doesn't sound like a freedom issue, it sounds like a technical issue.
[13:23] <paolob> Nafai, since webkit has various problem, my answer is definitely yes
[13:23] <Nafai> And if you feel that page is rendered wrong, file a bug
[13:24] <wirechief_> is ubuntu moblin remix given support on unbuntu+1 channel ? if not where ?
[13:24] <drs305> jorn: Have you looked at these?  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[13:25] <jorn> drs305 : THANK YOU soo much :)
[13:25] <oldude67> drs305, i went threw grub2's how to's the other day and got all my old settings to work where i can just switch to memtest and all from those pages.
[13:26] <drs305> oldude67: I'm posting on UF sometime today with ways to tweak the Grub2 displays. It's a post for the truly anal!
[13:27] <oldude67> drs305, well i had to do something cause it was booting so fast i couldnt even see it.
[13:28] <oldude67> and im on an old junk 2.4 celeron.
[13:28] <drs305> oldude67: Do you still see all the messages instead of it going straight to the splash screen?
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> oldude67: faster than anything ive got
[13:28] <bullgard4> '~$ ps | grep udevd' obtains 3 hits. But why does System > Administration > System Monitor does not list udevd?
[13:28] <carlosgaldino> somebody using xchat-gnome can tell me if the program closes by himself?
[13:28] <oldude67> it blipped grub2 and then straight to splash screen
[13:30] <drs305> oldude67: My boot was really fast back several months ago but now it's back up to 40 seconds or so. Don't know what's changed. And I get all the text as it boots, regardless of settings.
[13:31] <oldude67> drs305, i use to, but backed everything up and did a fresh install of the beta and no more text.
[13:31] <carlosgaldino> somebody can tell me if the have experienced problems with xchat-gnome?
[13:31] <carlosgaldino> somebody can tell me if they have experienced problems with xchat-gnome?
[13:31] <drs305> oldude67: Good to know. At some point I'll reinstall, but probably not til after the release.
[13:31] <oldude67> carlosgaldino, i dont use xchat-gnome..just xchat..no issues with it tho.
[13:32] <carlosgaldino> oldude67, and you use gnome?
[13:32] <ubuntu__> hi everyone
[13:32] <oldude67> carlosgaldino, oh no, i use lxde
[13:32] <Tronic> Is it still possible to get updates from Unstable?
[13:33] <wirechief_> drs305 good info on grub2 thanks.
[13:33] <Tronic> The mingw32 currently shipped (4.2) is seriously faulty and cannot compile any real-world C++ applications.
[13:33] <Tronic> Debian has 4.4, which according to Red Hat bug on the matter is fixed.
[13:33] <carlosgaldino> oldude67, ok, thanks
[13:33] <drs305> wirechief_:  :-)
[13:34] <luca___> my system is not able to boot, because it thinks it has to make a fsck, although no /forcefsck is actually present on the drive
[13:35] <oldude67> luca___, what happens when you let it do the fsck?
[13:35] <drs305> luca___: Are you also getting error messages about dates in the future
[13:35] <luca___> drs305: yeah
[13:35] <luca___> oldude67: it just hangs without actually starting the fsck
[13:36] <luca___> oldude67: I am performing the check right now from the live
[13:36] <luca___> options -p -c
[13:36] <oldude67> drs305, isnt there an update for that that fixes that issue?
[13:37] <luca___> hmmm oldude67 maybe it was not hanging but just performing the check, Bug #446596
[13:37] <ActionParsnip> luca___: could boot to liveCD and fsck the drive yourself
[13:37] <drs305> oldude67: I thought so. I had the problem and dealt with it before the fix. I know some users just turned off their machines/left Karmic until the time error was past (i.e. if it was 6 hours ahead, booted 7 hours later).
[13:38] <luca___> ActionParsnip: that's what I am doing
[13:38] <drs305> In my case, multiple fscks didn't solve it because the time error kept coming back.
[13:39] <oldude67> think i had that issue with alpha 5
[13:39] <drs305> oldude67: +1
[13:40] <vox> hi, im trying to install karmic, but the desktop iso just dumps me to an initramfs screen. Any thoughts?
[13:41] <wirechief_> vox what is the date of the .iso your useing to install karmic ?
[13:41] <luca___> drs395: how did you solve then?
[13:41] <vox> 2009/09/30
[13:42] <wirechief_> hmm kinda old
[13:42] <wirechief_> vox i think i would try a more recent release to see if it continues.
[13:42] <oldude67> vox, what video card are you using?
[13:42] <wirechief_> you could use zsync to update the .iso and save bandwidth
[13:43] <Dr_Willis> is the fsck message saying somthing about 'fsck date set to future - fsck forced' ?
[13:43] <drs305> luca___: I was afraid you would ask because I can't be sure.  ;-)   One one machine I just stayed out of Karmic until after the time difference had passed.
[13:43] <Dr_Willis> If its mentioning the date/time.. go to the bios screen set the clock ahead 1 day.. and reboot
[13:43] <vox> oldude67: nvidia 9600gt
[13:43] <oldude67> i think i set my bios clock ahead.
[13:43] <Dr_Willis> or 2 days....   then update/upgrade
[13:43] <vox> nv4 chipset
[13:44] <luca___> drs305: would sound like an option, had I not kept the computer completely shut off tonight :(
[13:44] <vox> nothing outragious
[13:44] <oldude67> vox, you may want to use the alternate cd.
[13:44] <luca___> Dr_Willis: yes it is
[13:44] <Dr_Willis> I had a similer issue a few weeks ago.
[13:44] <oldude67> Dr_Willis, i did the same thing
[13:44] <luca___> Dr_Willis it is saying precisely fsck forced, and then errors because it can't remove a non-existent /forcefsck
[13:45] <drs305> luca___: I think on my other machine with Karmic I did as the others said and changed my system time. But I was a bit concerned of messing up all my file times.
[13:45] <wirechief_> vox check this url out if you want to try zsync  :   http://unixlab.blogspot.com/2009/10/downloading-ubuntu-910-beta-with-zsync.html
[13:45] <eagles0513875> hey oldude67
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> there is nothing wrong with the fileysstem - other then the date   of its 'last fscked' which is set to  the UTC, or local, which confuses it..
[13:45] <oldude67> hey eagles0513875
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> Try setting date ahead a few days see if it works
[13:45] <vox> wirechief_: ah it's cool, bandwidth isnt really an issue :)
[13:46] <wirechief_> vox ok...your lucky...with satelite i have FaP issues and that worked great for me.
[13:46] <luca___> at least I solved my problems with the encrypted partitions
[13:46] <luca___> by the way, is there any way to go back from an encrypted home/swap? I'd like to revert to non-encrypted, if possibile
[13:46] <drs305> luca___: I said I was a bit concerned but changing the system time/date didn't seem to mess anything up.
[13:46] <luca___> (missing hibernate :( )
[13:47] <luca___> drs305: ok thanks :)
[13:47] <Dr_Willis> you set the date in the bios...but then the system/ntp stuff checks it from the internet services.. and sets it back after you boot
[13:48] <luca___> Dr_Willis: will try it if the fsck does not function, thanks
[13:48] <abhinav> hi .. suspend/hibernate are not working on some systems with karmic - I get an nvidia error
[13:51] <eagles0513875> abhinav: alot of people have been having issues with nvidia today
[13:53] <luca___> eagles051385: what a nice news to hear :-/
[13:53] <Dr_Willis> last 2 days here
[13:54] <Tarthen> o.o
[13:54] <Dr_Willis> but thats juss the console goofing up
[13:54] <Tarthen> Nvidia error?
[13:54] <Dr_Willis> X is working
[13:54] <Tarthen> ohshi
[13:54] <Dr_Willis> video glitxs in the consoles
[13:54] <Tarthen> my console works o.o
[13:56] <alexbh> Hi, I want to know if this touchscreen will be supported in 9.10: HP Pavilion tx 2510.... can somebody help me? thanks..
[13:56] <legend2440> after usplash 540 to 541 update my F1-F6 tty's have no login prompt. i have nvidia card. i had to remove word "splash" in /etc/default/grub to get it to work again. is there a bug report about this?
[13:57] <Tarthen> Thank god I never restart x.x
[13:59] <amx109> hi. just upgraded karmic. was working fine, but the update i just did has left X in a non working state
[13:59] <amx109> is there a known bug or a list of known issues i can look at?
[14:00] <Dr_Willis> legend2440:  ive been hearing about others with similer issues
[14:00] <Dr_Willis> legend2440:  i also have a similer issue
[14:00] <abhinav> eagles0513875: there are a few bugs on similar issues, but not sure if anyone is takng a look
[14:01] <wirechief_> amx109 what graphics card are you using with this new update ?
[14:01] <legend2440> Dr_Willis: seems to only affect nvidia
[14:01] <amx109> wirechief_, ati 4850
[14:01] <wirechief_> are you using vesa or ATi proprietary ?
[14:01] <Dr_Willis> I have graphic jibberish all over my  consoles
[14:01] <eagles0513875> abhinav: would ask in ubuntu-x same with u amx109 they might be able to help u out more with any nvidia or x issues
[14:02] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: you ask in ubunu-x
[14:02] <amx109> wirechief_, ive just realised, aptitude is showing outstanding updates but wasnt letting me update. am using apt-get to update instead
[14:02] <amx109> ty eagles0513875
[14:02] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875:  not yet. Been doing other things.
[14:02] <amx109> wirechief_, im hoping these updates will resolve my problem
[14:03] <wirechief_> amx109 well if not you may have to reconfigure X
[14:03] <legend2440> Dr_Willis: yes i had what i can only describe as blue Chinese letters in tty 1-6  and no login prompt
[14:03] <alexbh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/HP2510p
[14:03] <alexbh> sorry, :)
[14:03] <abhinav> eagles0513875: thanks. Filed 415211 in case anyone wants to take a look
[14:03] <amx109> wirechief_, im using ati proprietary i beleive. i thought X configured itself these days?
[14:04] <Koterpillar> How often does Karmic look for updates by default? And how often does it present the update dialog then?
[14:04] <eagles0513875> anyone wiht nvidia issues should try removing the driver and going back ot the out of the box nv driver
[14:04] <eagles0513875> thats what im using and im not having any issues with it
[14:04] <wirechief_> amx109 well maybe its suppose to, i have had to reconfigure a few times lately.
[14:04] <test34> eagles0513875, but you are missing hardware acceleration with the nv driver
[14:04] <eagles0513875> test34: maybe so but im using it just for development of mozilla extensions
[14:05] <amx109> wirechief_, did you reconfigure via a command or by modifying the X config file?
[14:05] <eagles0513875> im apprehensive in all honesty to try and install the nvidia driver
[14:05] <wirechief_> amx109 i used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[14:05] <amx109> wirechief_, thanks
[14:05] <legend2440> Koterpillar: mine hasnt popped up yet, and there have been many updates available. i've been checking manually
[14:06] <wirechief_> amx109 however they keep making changes in that area and there might be a better method but im not aware of it ...
[14:07] <wirechief_> amx109 my host is powered by debian but runs a ubuntu kernels so its  basically ubuntu on steroids ;)
[14:08] <amx109> wirechief_, hah, thats a hybrid and a half
[14:09] <wirechief_> amx109 hehe yep but i do have more than one machine and i test karmic mostly now so sometimes i get confused when they change the process.
[14:09] <amx109> wirechief_, any particular reason for having that setip?
[14:09] <amx109> wirechief_, setup*
[14:09] <wirechief_> amx109 i experiement a lot but like to have a stable system so thats why i do it.
[14:09] <ubox> anyone know that status of the resume from suspend bug, where the screen is the only thing that doesn't come back after
[14:11] <wirechief_> ubox they have been fighting that issue for a very long time, its probably going into round 175 now.
[14:11] <ubox> lol
[14:11]  * wirechief_ doesnt use suspend anymore, karmic boots so fast i dont need it.
[14:12] <Tarthen> How fast is the startup now?
[14:12] <Tarthen> Better than the 1:20 a week ago?
[14:12] <ubox> mine goes from grub to login in about 10 sec
[14:12] <ubox> turion 64b x2
[14:12] <amx109> ubox wow!
[14:12] <Tarthen> o.o
[14:12] <ubox> then another ten to desktop
[14:12] <Tarthen> holy hell
[14:12] <ubox> maybe 15 the 2nd
[14:13] <Tarthen> my Intel Q6600 @ 2.4ghz took 1:20 last time
[14:13] <walmis> ubox: SSD?
[14:13] <ubox> ?
[14:13] <Tarthen> like, 2 days ago
[14:13] <wirechief_> Tarthen sounds like its dragging a anchor
[14:13] <walmis> ubox: is it a solid state drive?
[14:13] <Tarthen> wirechief_: No idea what it could be
[14:13] <ubox> oh, i'm not sure. only 5400rpm though
[14:14] <ubox> an hp dv6404ca
[14:14] <Tarthen> wirechief_: /home/ is even on a different drive o.o
[14:14] <walmis> ubox: ah, it's a regular HDD
[14:14] <IdleOne> my jaunty goes from grub to desktop in 25-26 seconds
[14:14] <milaz> Dr_Willis: do you use it on nvidia card?
[14:14] <wirechief_> Tarthen maybe your tryiing to detect disconnected usb devices
[14:14] <Tarthen> Jaunty on my machine = 17 sec
[14:14] <milaz> Dr_Willis: I have gibberish on consoles on nvidia. And on intel they work ok.
[14:14] <Tarthen> Karmic 3 days ago = 1:20
[14:15] <ubox> this resume is gonna drive me crazy, even the wifi reconnects. the little light comes on blua again
[14:15] <IdleOne> Tarthen: I am not complaining used to take me over a minute
[14:15] <Dr_Willis> 8800gtsxxx video here
[14:15] <abhinav> anyone got eclipse 3.4.2 working with karmic ?
[14:15] <eagles0513875> hey guys im trying to remix my own distro using karmic as my basis how can i rebrand it instead of using  the karmic debootstrap use debootstrap with my own naming convention for what im developing
[14:15] <Tarthen> IdleOne: But the difference is so big
[14:15] <eagles0513875> abhinav: havent tried
[14:15] <ubox> lol when i first got this laptop it had vista and i'm pretty sure it took close to two minutes to stop loading completely
[14:15] <ikonia> eagles0513875: hasn't this been discussed to death with you
[14:15] <milaz> Dr_Willis: and proprietary dirivers are not enabled, right
[14:16] <eagles0513875> ikonia: ?
[14:16] <ikonia> eagles0513875: you've tried all this nonsense before, "making your own distro" rubbish -
[14:16] <IdleOne> Tarthen: with each release the boot time has been improving. not sure if it's ubuntu or my hardware that is getting better but I am not complaining.
[14:16] <eagles0513875> well this time im flipping serious about it
[14:16] <abhinav> after the splash screen there is a blank dialog box and the following error in workspace/.metadata/log : java.lang.RuntimeException: Widget disposed too early!
[14:16] <ikonia> eagles0513875: yeah yeah, we've heard it all a million times
[14:17] <ikonia> eagles0513875: karmic is in beta so basing a remix of it (a pointless remix might I add) is a waste of time, more so when this is documented all over the wiki
[14:17] <ubox> and ubuntu should make their own desktop env as well
[14:17] <amx109> wirechief_, bums, the upgrade didnt work. i get the white ubuntu symbol on loadup, but then gibberish across the middle of the screen. im assuming X is broke
[14:17] <IdleOne> ubox: why? there are plenty of desktop enviroments out there that can be used
[14:18] <wirechief_> amx109 sounds like it does need to be tweaked.
[14:18] <wirechief_> amx109 usually its the kernel, can you try booting to the previous one ?
[14:18] <ubox> idleone: it was a joke, like another distro
[14:18] <IdleOne> ubox: oh hehe.
[14:19] <ubox> lol :)
[14:20] <IdleOne> I found a HDD with Win98 on it yesterday
[14:20] <IdleOne> forgot how perty it was
[14:21]  * abhinav got eclipse working by following workaround at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=920649&page=2
[14:22] <ubox> time for lame work, later everyone
[14:23] <Tarthen> IdleOne: "Perty"?
[14:23] <Tarthen> IdleOne: Moar like blocky
[14:24] <amx109> wirechief_, i ran the reconfigure commmand. 2.6.31-13 doesnt work. nor does 2.6.31-12, but 2.6.31-11 drops me to a terminal login (still no X)
[14:24] <IdleOne> Tarthen: it was a surprise when I plugged it in and it booted to win98.
[14:24] <Tarthen> IdleOne: Bet hardware support was an issue :D
[14:24] <Dr_Willis> IdleOne:  then infected the rest of the lan with a 8 yr old virus
[14:24] <IdleOne> also found some old baby pictures of my son on it :)
[14:24] <IdleOne> Dr_Willis: kept it of the lan lol
[14:25] <imme> Hey, how can I login to rothera ?
[14:25] <ikonia> imme: rothera ?
[14:25] <Tarthen> IdleOne: Bet the ethernet didn't work anyway, lol
[14:25] <Dr_Willis> Dident godzilla fight Rothera once?
[14:25] <wirechief_> amx109 well you would of had to left x alone and tried the older kernel, but now you have reconfigured it so that trick could only be tried by putting the backup in.
[14:26] <IdleOne> Tarthen: honestly don't know I did'nt try to get it online
[14:26] <imme> Something didn't go well with creating a startup-disk, so now I get into boot: prompt at the start, I type /casper/vmlinuz there, then ubuntu loads unto gdm, it says rothera(probably the build of this ubuntu version or something like that...)
[14:26] <imme> then I don't know what to type to get in.
[14:26] <wirechief_> amx109 hopefully you made a backup of your xorg.conf ;)
[14:26] <amx109> wirechief_, i had tried previous kernels before i did the reconfigure trick - its how i managed to correctly upgrade via apt-get. same thing -13 and -12 i get nothing, -11 i get a terminal
[14:27] <imme> Creating my startup-disk did not fully complete, gave me an input/output error, tried three times, after third time, just tried rebooting, no booted with boor: /casper/vmlinuz single ... :P
[14:27] <wirechief_> amx109 so you are only getting a terminal after you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg , now ?
[14:28] <amx109> wirechief_, yes, and only for -11 though i think it tries to initialise X (lots of furious screen blinking)
[14:29] <amx109> wirechief_, i just got a terminal for -13 by going via recovery, then selecting 'resume boot'
[14:29] <wirechief_> amx109 are you rebooting after this change or just going from a terminal back to the desktop
[14:29] <milaz> imme: what kind of startup disk do you use?
[14:29] <fortytwo> Hi, I could use some help with my Karmic Koala install: evidently a mysterious process is hogging plenty of resources - any quick pointers to a fix?
[14:29] <imme> milaz: usb of 4gb ...
[14:29] <milaz> fortytwo: it's Xorg probably
[14:30] <fortytwo> I'm even clueless on what kind of info would be useful to post here - the mouse cursor permanently blinks like crazy, and...
[14:30] <milaz> fortytwo: switch to "show all processes" in system monitor
[14:30] <fortytwo> @milaz: Hmm, indeed, quick googling showed Xorg to be a common culprit, but that doesn't seem the case here.
[14:30] <amx109> wirechief_, rebooting
[14:31] <fortytwo> @milaz: I see - let me try that. When I just stare at the default view, there's a process with no name, or description, that keeps coming and going,
[14:31] <fortytwo> and it's ordered by highest CPU usage, and this mystery process turns up close to the top every time it does choose to appear. :(
[14:31] <milaz> fortytwo: I had this once, logging out and in helped
[14:32] <fortytwo> @milaz - I even tried a restart, surprisingly, same blinking cursor.
[14:32] <milaz> fortytwo: although I don't know whether it was Xorg or something another, I was not able to reproduce it in this exact way
[14:32] <wirechief_> amx109 hmm, perhaps when you did your upgrade something got smucked and is messing with your x system (its sure sounding like that)
[14:32] <fortytwo> CPU usage about 50% (even) when nothing is running.
[14:32] <fortytwo> @milaz: Ah, interesting...
[14:32] <milaz> imme: maybe you should check your usb key, and try to reformat it
[14:33] <amx109> wirechief_, yeah. im d/l'ing the beta (had upgraded from 9.04) and intend to reinstall it
[14:33] <fortytwo> @milaz: The issue seems so strange that I'm not even sure what to include in a bug report if I were to file it.
[14:33] <milaz> fortytwo: exactly the same situation I ran into
[14:33] <imme> milaz: So there's no way to login to the rothera build ?
[14:33] <amx109> wirechief_, im not sure if dpkg-reconfigure worked. the xorg.conf file has a timestamp from 8 days ago..
[14:33] <imme> I tried ubuntu:ubuntu , but that didn't do the trick. :(
[14:34] <milaz> imme: I even don't know what's rothera. Look like some broken log-in
[14:34] <fortytwo> And I really don't want to downgrade now... I'm completely sold on this version of ubuntu! Baawaah. And I want to really avoid reinstalling as I *just* finished installing the sixty-odd apps that I usually use. Phew!
[14:34] <imme> fortytwo: Does top -n1 not give any more information about the proces either ?
[14:34] <wirechief_> amx109 doing a upgrade while in the X system is risky, however they have made some big strides in doing it with the upgrade manager but stuff does happen
[14:34] <milaz> imme: ubuntu user has empty password
[14:34] <imme> milaz: Okay, then I'll try that next time .
[14:35] <imme> milaz: I think rothera is the name of the build.
[14:35] <amx109> wirechief_, ah
[14:35] <wirechief_> amx109 i have resisted, I do my upgrades in init 3 to avoid problems (even though I shouldnt have to do that)
[14:35] <amx109> wirechief_, i saw that xerver-xorg-core was being upgraded when i did an apt-get upgrade via terminal in gnome..
[14:35] <milaz> fortytwo: try killing X, and then dist-upgrading from the console
[14:36] <wirechief_> amx109 yep, thats one that could muck you up good, not sure if uninstalling and reinstalling it would help.
[14:36] <fortytwo> @imme - Here you go: pastebin.com/m19a0df9c (I don't think the mystery process is showing up here.)
[14:36] <wirechief_> amx109 but if you do try it, make sure you do it in init 3
[14:36] <fortytwo> @milaz: Gulp. Okay, noted... I'll try that if some fiddling around doesn't help. I am considering running update-manager.
[14:37] <amx109> wirechief_, ok, thanks
[14:37] <Dr_Willis> Im still having issues with usb flash drives not gettting auto mounted.. Grr...
[14:38] <wirechief_> amx109 its kinda primative because they built so many safe guards so we dont need to do that but sometimes like you have found it reaches out and bites.
[14:39] <wirechief_> amx109 you realize that while in the terminal you need to killall gdm before going into init 3
[14:39] <Dr_Willis> or 'sudo service gdm stop'
[14:39] <Dr_Willis> Im not sure killall is the proper way these days
[14:39] <arielCo> Hello everyone: a Karmic upgrade installed "linux-image-2.6.31-12-generic" of its own accord, but it's not working right so I want to remove it. "aptitude remove linux-image-2.6.31-12-generic" also wants to remove a whole lot of libraries and fonts, plus g++. Should I let it?
[14:40] <wirechief_> Dr_Willis: ok good, they are always changing things
[14:40] <amx109> wirechief_, err how do i start/stop gdm now that im not able to do it via /etc/init.d/gdm stop|start
[14:40] <Dr_Willis> wirechief_:  actually thats been the proper way for ages I think. :)
[14:40] <Dr_Willis> amx109:  i just said how. :)
[14:40] <Dr_Willis> or 'sudo service gdm stop'
[14:40] <wirechief_> amx109 Dr_Willis gave the command sudo service gdm stop
[14:41] <amx109> ty Dr_Willis
[14:41] <wirechief_> amx109 then init 3
[14:41] <Machtin> hm.. why doesn't my script output random 5mbyte-files until i stop it? http://pastebin.org/42457
[14:42] <Machtin> it works when i just run the fourth line in the console directly
[14:42] <Machtin> and the script has the same output.. but i can't find the files.
[14:42] <penguin42> Machtin: So what does it do ?
[14:42] <Machtin> nothing, it seems
[14:43] <Machtin> but it says it does.. might it be, that it saves the files to somewhere else than the directory i'm in?
[14:43] <penguin42> Machtin: Are the files ending up being called .file ?
[14:43] <Machtin> jo
[14:43] <Machtin> err.. yes. i just did updatedb and locate .file.. which didn't succeed
[14:43] <amx109> wirechief_, still no luck. resinstalled xserver-xorg-core. getting an error in the X log - unable to initialise the PCS database, missing PCS defaults file /etc/ati/amdpcsdb.default
[14:44] <penguin42> Machtin: Change the first line to #!/bin/bash -x   and you should see what it's doing
[14:44] <amx109> wirechief_, lo and behold, the file isnt there...
[14:45] <Machtin> penguin42: doesn't change anything.. i HAVE output actually.. but there are no files
[14:45] <Machtin> i'll pastebin you the output
[14:45] <cabrey> hey guys, i'm trying to apply a patch from here ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-180/+bug/391461 ) to fix a nvidia issue but I keep getting a malformed patch error. any way to fix this? i can pastebin the patch if you want
[14:45] <wirechief_> amx109 looking for the steps to check a bad upgrade.
[14:45] <penguin42> Machtin: Weird
[14:46] <Machtin> http://pastebin.org/42459 there you go
[14:47] <penguin42> Machtin: Ah! You're running it with sh scriptname
[14:47] <Machtin> should be ./script.sh?
[14:48] <quidnunc> I'm trying to upgrade to Karmic and I am getting a conflict with rsyslog and system-log-daemon. Which one should I have?
[14:48] <penguin42> Machtin: If you chmod +x script.sh then you can do  ./script.sh  or you could do  bash ./script.sh
[14:48] <Machtin> haha. thanks penguin42 :)
[14:48] <Machtin> yah, works now.. what does sh do then?
[14:48] <penguin42> Machtin: If you do   sh script.sh  then it will use plain shell not bash and hence won't know $RANDOM
[14:48] <Machtin> i see :) thank you
[14:49] <fortytwo> Sigh, no luck yet with my blinking mouse cursor.
[14:49] <amx109> wirechief_, i dont believe gdm (or X) is starting. the X log is timestamped at 14:23. its now 14:49..
[14:50] <fortytwo> If anyone has had a similar issue to the following, please let me know if you managed to resolve it: a random process pops in and out of the list of processes, evidently hogs resources, and CPU usage is constantly above 50%, and the mouse cursor is busy (unless positioned inside a textarea or some such). Logouts/restarts don't help. :(
[14:50] <wirechief_> amx109 i think something like dpkg -a  then apt-get -f dist-upgrade  might pull in files missed
[14:51] <amx109> wirechief_, thanks for that, i shall try now
[14:52] <amx109> wirechief_, woah. kinda fixed it
[14:52] <NinjaPlimsolls> fortytwo, i've had that problem before
[14:53] <amx109> wirechief_, i created that missing file from a backup. now -13 boots. i still get that fizzy nonsense in the centre of the screen, but it now goes into gdm
[14:53] <fortytwo> @NinjaPlimsolls: Ah! Did you manage a fix?
[14:53] <wirechief_> amx109 so you are getting the desktop now ?
[14:53] <amx109> wirechief_, i also have a lovely amd badge in the lower right cornerw ith 'testing use only, unsopported hardware' underneath it
[14:53] <amx109> wirechief_, yup!
[14:54] <NinjaPlimsolls> fortytwo, its called Windows ;)
[14:54] <wirechief_> amx109 you might get out of the woods yet ;)
[14:54] <amx109> wirechief_, im going to disable the fgrlx driver
[14:54] <wirechief_> amx109 good idea
[14:54] <NinjaPlimsolls> j/k, I think if i remember correctly its a rogue daemon
[14:54] <cabrey> can anybody tell me if this patch is formated right? http://pastebin.com/d7c785e44
[14:54] <NinjaPlimsolls> fortytwo, I did some updates and it managed to fix itself, so I couldn't fully diagnose the problem
[14:55] <fortytwo> @NinjaPlimsolls: LOL! Ah, right...
[14:55] <wirechief_> amx109 ATI proprietary has been junk  for some time now, i see that a new radeon driver was released but not sure how to get it
[14:55] <fortytwo> Hmm. Let me see if an update helps at this end...
[14:55] <NinjaPlimsolls> could you catch the process ID or its name?
[14:56] <fortytwo> It's a mystery process because it (apparently) doesn't have a name... it appears for two seconds every three, with a different ID each time.
[14:56] <amx109> wirechief_, i think the opensource driver can do pretty good 2d now?
[14:56] <NinjaPlimsolls> hmmmmmm peculiar
[14:56] <amx109> wirechief_, its part of the kernel/xorg stack?
[14:56] <vox> well the alternate cd seems to be working
[14:56] <fortytwo> Totally :(
[14:56] <vox> wonder what it was/is about the desktop that my system doesnt like
[14:56] <chu_> hey guys, has anything come up about turning the drum off at start-up?
[14:56] <wirechief_> amx109 check on #radeon or on #phoronix someone might have a suggestion on it
[14:57] <fortytwo> And I don't even know what to document if I am to file a bug report or even a post at the forums...
[14:57] <amx109> wirechief_, ah yeah, good idea. phronix is always a good place for ati driver info..
[14:57] <fortytwo> @chu_ If that's something you want to do, suppose disable it from preferences > startup apps? ("startup sound", IIRC)
[14:57] <wirechief_> amx109 if you run into Kano on phoronix he is a master at the ATI stuff
[14:57] <vox> fortytwo: run 'pstree' - it'll show whatever is spawning that process
[14:57] <amx109> wirechief_, thanks for the heads up
[14:58] <legend2440> chu_: open system>preferences>startup applications and uncheck Gnome Login Sound
[14:58] <chu_> fortytwo, yeah, that sound is gonr, the gdm sound...
[14:58] <Dr_Willis> intel and matrox really need to start trying to compete  in the video card area more...
[14:59] <Dr_Willis> good old matrox..   :) the  maker that i mention and everyone goes 'who?'
[14:59] <NoReflex> Hey guys! What's the key that allows me to edit the grub options when my system starts? Grub2 doesn't seem to display any options when it boots.
[14:59] <NinjaPlimsolls> what chu talkin about Willis?!
[14:59] <Dr_Willis> unhide the grub menu via editing the /etc/default/grub menu
[14:59] <Dr_Willis> err file.
[14:59] <chu_> when you reach the login window and it plays some drum sound, I liked the pang from Jaunty :p
[14:59] <wirechief_> matrox does warrant a "who"
[14:59] <Dr_Willis> #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[14:59] <NoReflex> thx Dr_Willis
[15:00] <Nafai> Wait; everyone is talking about grub2
[15:00] <Nafai> But I don't have it installed
[15:00] <NoReflex> Nafai: grub2 is the default bootloader in Karmic
[15:00] <Nafai> Weird
[15:00] <Nafai> I'm running karmic here
[15:00] <wirechief_> Nafai just wait you will be assemulated
[15:01] <Nafai> (upgraded from Jaunty)
[15:01] <NinjaPlimsolls> ah then youre not on GRUB 2
[15:01] <Nafai> Because of the upgrade?
[15:01] <NinjaPlimsolls> yeah they didnt want to tamper with existing bootloaders
[15:01]  * Nafai nods
[15:01] <NinjaPlimsolls> only fresh installs will have GRUB2 and Ext4
[15:01] <Nafai> Is it worth manually installing?
[15:01]  * NinjaPlimsolls shrugs
[15:02] <NinjaPlimsolls> do you have anything on your disk you dont mind losing if it goes nuclear? :)
[15:02] <wirechief_> NijaPlimsolls well they mucked with jaunty remix and pushed grub2 into it this morning... grrr.
[15:02] <Nafai> a thing or two :)
[15:02] <NoReflex> Nafai: if your current system is supported by your BIOS I don't see any reason for upgrade
[15:02] <Nafai> ok
[15:02] <Nafai> thanks
[15:02] <NinjaPlimsolls> I wish GRUB2 was pretty :(
[15:03] <NinjaPlimsolls> but it still looks like something coded in QBASIC
[15:03] <fortytwo> @vox: Sorry I can't resolve the formatting on this one, but this is what the output of pstree looks like: http://pastebin.com/mefe07bd
[15:04] <fortytwo> Running an update at the moment, let's see if that is useful. :|
[15:04] <NinjaPlimsolls> fortytwo, im sure I had a rogue daemon doing what you describe though
[15:04] <NinjaPlimsolls> jumping in an out of process monitor
[15:04] <NinjaPlimsolls> but it had an ID :(
[15:08] <Dr_Willis> i have a pretty boot screen for my grub2 menu.. in high res also...
[15:10] <fortytwo> Heh... I see, right. This one has a continually increasing id. It doesn't even last long enough for me to point, click, kill (on the gui monitor, that is).
[15:12] <fortytwo> Say, this is the first time that I'm actually using IRC to seek help on a problem. Been shy for a while now, but I must say it's so cool to actually be here!
[15:14] <cabrey> well at least you're getting help... >_> i have a stupid little problem that is preventing a lot of functionality
[15:15] <fortytwo> @cabrey Been there :| What exactly... have you run into?
[15:16] <cabrey> I can't patch a kernel module :bleh:
[15:16] <vox> ok, the alternate installer is broken.
[15:17] <vox> if you have a raidset that appears higher in the device chain than the target system disk, grub will not install.
[15:17] <musikgoat> vox: report a bug
[15:18] <arielCo> cabrey: does the actual patching fail ?
[15:18] <vox> musikgoat: yeah, will have to
[15:18] <cabrey> arielCo: yep. it complains about a malformed patch. even though this worked on ubuntu before, all i did was switch to kubuntu
[15:18] <b1shop> can anyone point me to differences in the 9.10 live cd... no more squashfs?
[15:18] <vox> now to deactivate 8 disks
[15:18] <vox> and start again
[15:19] <johnni> I upgraded to Karmic Koala last night and I don't know things just aren't as snappy as they were in 9.04..things feel slower...even connecting to Xchat felt slower...anyone have any idea?
[15:19] <musikgoat> vox: is your raid software or hardware?  either deactivate the peripheral in bios or unseat the card?
[15:20] <vox> musikgoat: mdadm-drive
[15:20] <musikgoat> vox: unless your process is quicker/easier
[15:20] <vox> *driven
[15:20] <musikgoat> vox: ah
[15:21] <arielCo> cabrey: I had that complaint from patch a few days ago, but I don't remember how I made it work ( googling, I think ;) ). If all else fails, maybe you can make the modifications by hand if they're not too big
[15:22] <johnni> So is anyone else noticing a speed difference between Karmic and Jaunty?
[15:24] <legend2440> johnni: a clean install would probably be "snappier". because of ext4 for one thing
[15:24] <cabrey> arielCo: well I know the patch itself *works* as I used it before, but now it just won't apply so I have a feeling it has to do with the formatting
[15:25] <arielCo> cabrey: yes, it's a formatting thing. How big is it?
[15:25] <johnni> legend2440, so you think the upgrade to it is what broke it?
[15:26] <cabrey> arielCo: 17 lines
[15:26] <chu_> Termana, do you know of their repo mirrors?/quit
[15:26] <legend2440> johnni: cant say. i've never tried upgrades. i only do clean install and i think karmic is snappier than jaunty
[15:27] <johnni> legend2440, okay I will try clean install all I know is it feels slower even the connecting on the internet like how fast i can browse feels slower
[15:29] <legend2440> johnni: not sure if upgrade would have anything to do with internet speed.
[15:29] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. for a home lan.. apt-cacher-ng is soo handy :)
[15:29] <johnni> legend2440, question you have used Karmic for a while now I presume do you think even with it being in beta it is worth the upgrade ? well coming from Jaunty
[15:30] <legend2440> johnni: for me yes. i wouldnt go back to jaunty
[15:30] <johnni> legend2440, okay thanks thats what i wanted to know and i am going to do a clean install..ty
[15:30] <legend2440> johnni: ok good luck
[15:31] <johnni> legend2440, ty
[15:32] <arielCo> cabrey: check if the line specified matches the original match. It should be one of those lines not starting with '-' or '+'
[15:32] <arielCo> cabrey: err, "original file"
[15:33] <cabrey> arielCo: the line it complains about starts with @@
[15:34] <corigo> I'm having trouble reporting a bug on LaunchPad... when I click on the "Report a bug" button for my package it ends up redirecting me to the Ubuntu wiki page on how to report a bug.
[15:34] <cabrey> arielCo: here is the actual patch: http://pastebin.com/d7c785e44
[15:36] <legend2440> corigo: have you tried  ubuntu-bug <packagename>  from terminal?
[15:37] <arielCo> cabrey: it's in the spaces at the beginning of the lines. I'd add one to the first line.
[15:37] <corigo> Yes, but it is too new of a package, ubuntu-bug claims it doesn't exist... further my problem is with installation of the package
[15:37] <arielCo> "If all lines (including headers) within a patch begin with the same leading sequence of blank characters, the patch utility will remove this sequence before proceeding."
[15:38] <legend2440> corigo: its not ther  bad file descriptor message in gdebi  is it?
[15:38] <legend2440> *the
[15:38] <arielCo> cabrey: lines 1 and 6, to be specific
[15:39] <corigo> legend2440: trying to overwrite "/usr/lib/libkimpanelruntime.o.0', which is also in package kimpanel lzma:Decoder error
[15:40] <corigo> When I delete all the Kimpanel files in lib and try again, same result
[15:41] <cabrey> arielCo: still getting "malformed patch at line 10: @@ -895,6 +896,7 @@"
[15:41] <corigo> so it is writing the original .so file and then apparently trying to update that file and failing
[15:45] <legend2440> corigo: got me. never heard of kimpanel before
[15:46] <corigo> Like I said it is new, but it is essential ... it is the new KDE filter for SCIM and foreign language input
[15:46] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:47] <arielCo> cabrey: hmm, did you change that file or does it begin "@@... " ?
[15:47] <Tarthen> argh
[15:47] <Tarthen> Does anyone here use recordmydesktop?
[15:47] <cabrey> arielCo: did I change what file? I copied the patch directly from launchpad
[15:47] <Tarthen> it's outputting craaaazy colours :S
[15:48] <legend2440> corigo: is the package called  plasma-widget-kimpanel?
[15:48] <corigo> Package: plasma-widget-kimpanel (0.0+svn1015443-0ubuntu1)
[15:49] <corigo> http://ns2.canonical.com/pl/karmic/kde/plasma-widget-kimpanel
[15:50] <arielCo> from the manpage, I believe either all or none of the lines should start with blanks. Anyway, you can put the '#if 0' and '#endif' by hand around the bit of code.
[15:50] <arielCo> cabery: that's all it does
[15:50] <arielCo> cabrey: see above
[15:52] <cabrey> arielCo: the only problem is that I don't know where/how to copy the code in by hand. do I also put in #if 0 or is that just for the patch system? does the code that's already there go between the brackets or is it replaced entirely?
[15:53] <arielCo> cabrey: the #if and #endif are meant for the code. What it's doing is preventing a bunch of code from being compiled
[15:53] <corigo> I'm trying to add the bug from here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search?text=plasma-widget-kimpanel
[15:54] <erle-> where to track deep system bugs nowadays?
[15:55] <arielCo> cabrey: how big is nv.c ? I'm willing to fiddle with the patch until it runs, just to learn.
[15:55] <arielCo> erle-: what do you mean by "deep system bug"? Kernel?
[15:55] <cabrey> arielCo: 4600 lines but I don't think I should put it on pastebin as it is nvidia's code...
[15:56] <cabrey> then again I may be breaking the license by applying a patch
[15:56] <BluesKaj> had an interesting non boot sequence this morning , grub loaded fine, but kubuntu stalled before loading anything , then I had to do a hard power off, and the following bootup kubuntu rebooted itself after I chose the latest kernel in grub (which is normal) and then karmic loaded normally . I wonder what could have caused that glitch ...a bit worriesome IMO.
[15:56] <arielCo> BluesKaj: hiya back. Ask straight away
[15:56] <erle-> arielCo, yeah, karmic doesn't boot when in virtual box a second virtual disk is added, which the karmic disk tool made a luks-encrypted disk
[15:57] <arielCo> cabrey: I believe you're only compiling an interface to the driver. The driver itself can't possibly be 4600 (measly) lines long
[15:58] <cabrey> arielCo: well yea ;) I just put in #if and #endif so I can see if it will compile now
[16:00] <arielCo> cabrey: the lines that don't begin with "+" or "-" are references to check where you're inserting (context)
[16:01] <cabrey> arielCo: it compiled, I'm gonna reboot now and ahhh that makes sense :)
[16:03] <arielCo> cabrey: how was that?
[16:03] <cabrey> arielCo: *internet high five*
[16:03] <cabrey> arielCo: who knew two small words could make such a difference?
[16:03] <arielCo> hehe... did you boot and come back in 18 secs ?
[16:04] <cabrey> arielCo: yes. karmic is fast at booting. i'm still curious why it wasn't patching automatically though
[16:04] <Tarthen> Hey guys! I'm using recordmydesktop and the .oggs it outputs are rainbow colours
[16:04] <Tarthen> Yet the thumbnails are fine
[16:04] <Tarthen> any suggestions?
[16:05] <arielCo> cabrey: format issue. Think of the patch as a little padlock on the door of a large cage. Everything between lines 890 and 897 was excluded from compilation.
[16:07] <cabrey> arielCo: well thanks soooo much! I also learned some new things about patching also :)
[16:07]  * arielCo is glad to finally be of help
[16:09] <drs305> I'm about to post a thread on tweaking the titles you see on the Grub 2 menu. What would you call them:  Titles, Entries, Selections  ?
[16:09] <drs305> The post will probably be something like  "Grub 2 xxx Tweaks"
[16:10] <drs305> Menu Tweaks?
[16:11] <BluesKaj> title tweaks
[16:11] <BluesKaj> :)
[16:11] <BluesKaj> does it matter?
[16:11] <robin0800_> selection text
[16:11] <drs305> Only if you are anal, which is who the post will be for anyway.  :p
[16:14] <BluesKaj> drs305, i'm just happy to have a splash image for grub, not worried about the kernel title fonts or style or....
[16:15] <drs305> BluesKaj: Oh, it's not even that detailed. Only the title text wording, which is why I was wonderin' how to title it to keep it on topic.
[16:16]  * arielCo 's Karmic boots anything but fast :'(
[16:16] <BluesKaj> drs305, can you use aliases in grub ?
[16:18] <drs305> BluesKaj: I would think not since your bashrc wouldn't be loaded at the time you made your selection.
[16:18] <BluesKaj> right ..was wondering
[16:18] <Dr_Willis> I think they are called 'labels' in the grub2 docs.
[16:18] <darkham> today's daily live it's a disaster
[16:18] <Dr_Willis> heh.
[16:19] <darkham> for whom have an ati radeon 9000 series
[16:19] <darkham> and network manager applet is at the worst ever
[16:20] <darkham> i've some doubt about a "stable" the 29.
[16:20] <Dr_Willis> Demand a refund!
[16:20]  * Dr_Willis waits for his other boxx to fully update/upgrade/dist-upgrade befor he reboots it..
[16:21] <Dr_Willis> Silly thing would not boot from a usb flash drve that booted my 3 other machines.. had to use an alpha4 cd to instrall.. then upgrade
[16:22] <darkham> yesterday's daily worked pretty well, and network manager worked almost good...
[16:23] <pete_> the update yestetday broke my grub?
[16:23] <erle-> arielCo, i am asking because there is no more "track a bug" option in launchpad but a reporting option in the apps
[16:23] <pete_> for some reason it changed the root HD
[16:24] <erle-> arielCo, but that doesn't help with kernel bugs
[16:24] <shoss> Hello, I need help please, my wifi adapter is dead after I tried to solve the download limit (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/using-ipw3945-instead-iwl3945-in-hardy.html) I must have done something wrong because after rebooting the adapter was dead.. can someone please help me with this issue?
[16:25] <arielCo> erle: is there already a bug and you want to keep track of it ?
[16:26] <pete_> I GOT A BUG, SYNAPTIC BREAKS GRUB
[16:26] <pete_> DONT USE IT
[16:26] <Hellow> Well, you could talk without all caps.
[16:26] <pete_> I COULD
[16:26] <pete_> but nobody listens
[16:27] <Hellow> And, how does Synaptic Package Manager break GRUB? They don't interface at all unless you are performing a upgrade.
[16:27] <void^_> presented evidence indicates it most likely breaks caps lock instead
[16:27] <pete_> well buddy it upgraded yesterday,
[16:27] <Hellow> And?
[16:27] <pete_> and it changed my root device from 4 to 5
[16:27] <pete_> somehow
[16:27] <pete_> so i had to use nano to fix it
[16:27] <pete_> which is annoyin.
[16:28] <pete_> my point being
[16:28] <pete_> less experienced people would have been SOL
[16:28] <Hellow> Less experienced people are not using Ubuntu Karmic.. yet :_
[16:28] <Hellow> :)*
[16:28] <pete_> why does it break grub
[16:28] <pete_> thats terrible.
[16:29] <pete_> of all the stuff to destroy lol
[16:29] <Hellow> It sounds like update-grub must have messed something up - I don't know exactly how, though.
[16:29] <pete_> yea it changed the boot device
[16:29] <pete_> to the actualy /dev/sda5
[16:29] <pete_> but grub is alway -1
[16:29] <pete_> so its actually (hd0,4)
[16:30] <pete_> O and
[16:30] <pete_> it broke my ipod
[16:30] <pete_> think they screwed LIBGPOD up too.
[16:30] <robin0800_> pete_: grub 2 uses uuid
[16:30] <Hellow> How did it break your iPod?
[16:30] <BluesKaj> pete_, I posted this earler but I wonder if it's related to your experience , altho i didn't have to edit grub.cfg ...had an interesting non boot sequence this morning , grub loaded fine, but kubuntu stalled before loading anything , then I had to do a hard power off, and the following bootup kubuntu rebooted itself after I chose the latest kernel in grub and then karmic loaded normally . I wonder what could have caused that glitch ...a bit
[16:30] <BluesKaj> worriesome IMO.
[16:31] <pete_> robin0800_, my fstab uses uuid
[16:31] <pete_> BluesKaj, try having grub look for the wrong HD
[16:31] <pete_> robin0800_, i dont think karmic uses grub2
[16:31] <BluesKaj> hmm
[16:32] <FFEMTcJ> I just did an update using the update manager.. After the update I ran check again just to make sure im up to date.. Why does it say the package info was last updated 3 days ago?
[16:32] <genii> BluesKaj: I got the same thing on 2 different laptops... I noticed it happens when: If you close the lid before it finishes the normal logout/shutdown sequence after it's selected GUI way
[16:32] <Hellow> No, the GRUB in Karmic is 0.97.
[16:33] <pete_> ok
[16:33] <fortytwo> Here's hoping I'm not over-asking: will be grateful if anyone can help with this, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1287548 - thanks!
[16:33] <pete_> so is ubuntu going to use grub2 or not ?
[16:33] <BluesKaj> pete_, grub 2 is default on clean karmivc installs
[16:33] <robin0800_> BluesKaj: I thought uuid never changed
[16:33] <pete_> BluesKaj, i see, this was an upgrade
[16:33] <robin0800_> pete_: on new installs only not upgrades
[16:33] <pete_> BluesKaj, i have had enough problems with ubuntu and regular grub,
[16:34] <BluesKaj> robin0800_, not sure
[16:34] <pete_> i will stick to using 0.97 for now. since i know how to fix it when it breaks
[16:34] <pete_> haha
[16:34] <Pienjo> Hi, anyone who could help me? My netbook (Acer Aspire One 110) no longer boots after updating (9.10 netbook remix). It just stops in the splash screen. I tried booting the recovery mode, but that doesn't get very far (It starts modem-manager and stalls after that). Using an older kernel doesn't help..
[16:36]  * BluesKaj has to look into uuid and fstab more deeply ...not too well versed on that aspect of booting and mounting
[16:37] <pete_> BluesKaj, UUID=3379059e-918c-4285-b5ef-963c4cbf7164 / ext4 relatime,errors=remount-ro 0 1
[16:37] <pete_> UUID=e1b71270-1a4e-4c0b-ae36-7e3174a430c3 /home/pete/storage ext4 relatime,errors=remount-ro 0 1
[16:37] <pete_> 2 examples.
[16:38] <pete_> you can use blkid
[16:38] <pete_> to find ur hd's UUID's
[16:39] <robin0800_>  Use 'blkid -o value -s UUID' to print the universally unique identifier
[16:39] <robin0800_> # for a device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name
[16:39] <robin0800_> # devices that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5).
[16:39] <pete_> yep
[16:39] <pete_> much better than /dev/blah or /dev/hdblah
[16:42] <vox> why cant i edit the ethernet properties with network manager?
[16:42] <socomm> vox: you don't have proper permissions?
[16:43] <vox> ...
[16:43] <vox> so i need to invoke network-manager with gksudo to have the correct permisions?
[16:43] <socomm> vox: possibly
[16:43] <fortytwo> Eh... my "issue" is solved as mysteriously as it started :|
[16:44] <vox> you cant be serrious
[16:44] <fortytwo> (About a rogue process.) For the record:
[16:44]  * vox bashes head
[16:44] <socomm> vox: wouldn't be smart to let regular users mess with your hardware settings, would it?
[16:44] <socomm> heh
[16:45] <vox> wouldnt be smart to tlet the only sudoer have access to it?
[16:45] <fortytwo> I uninstalled gnome-do, and tried logging out, gave me the warning about an unknown process and I cancelled the logout... and somehow all's back to normal. *shrug*!
[16:45] <socomm> fortytwo: :^)
[16:46] <vox> network-manager is stupidly broken. if you're going to stop people changing their lan IP adress, atleast give them some sort of administrator permision to change it.
[16:46] <socomm> fortytwo: wait until you reboot
[16:46] <socomm> vox: relax, don't let your anger get best of you
[16:46] <vox> well i have an install here i cant use.
[16:47] <Raphi974> Hi everyone
[16:47] <Raphi974> I have the brightness blinking non-stop.... since the GDM Login Screen.... Can someone help me ?
[16:47] <fortytwo> @socomm: I'm dreading that, please keep your fingers crossed for me! :S
[16:47] <socomm> Raphi974: salut
[16:47] <Raphi974> socomm, salut
[16:48] <fortytwo> Okay, in a fit of adventure, I re-installed gnome do and things still seem fine, so it must be something... completely strange :)
[16:48] <socomm> Raphi974: maybe your hardware?
[16:49] <socomm> Raphi974: that or you may have refresh too high on your X config
[16:49] <Raphi974> socomm, with fresh install of Karmic, it worked well... since yesterday's update, blinking non-stop
[16:49] <thiebaude> vox, and remember 9.10 will be ready Oct 29th
[16:50] <Raphi974> socomm, i found a way : go to tty1 for 5s, then back to X, and then it stoped blinking
[16:50] <socomm> Raphi974: what changed?
[16:50] <Raphi974> socomm, but it's annoying
[16:50] <socomm> Raphi974: you install something new? you change any settings?
[16:50] <Raphi974> socomm, xorg-server i think
[16:50] <Raphi974> socomm, nop, nothing
[16:50] <vox> yes well
[16:50] <BluesKaj> robin0800_, I'd like to auto-mount wife's vista pc, which is on our LAN, by using fstab , but all the tutorials for doing so have failed me. smb works ok but it's a pita to use the dialog for username and pw everytime , I need to look at or transfer files back and forth.
[16:50] <socomm> Raphi974: strange, report it as a bug
[16:51] <Raphi974> socomm, how ?
[16:51] <vox> in the meantime, apt-get remove --purge network-manager seems the best way to resolve it
[16:51] <socomm> Raphi974: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ReportProblem
[16:51] <Raphi974> socomm, thx
[16:52] <BluesKaj> vox, one can install wicd and that will remove or disable network manager
[16:52] <Raphi974> socomm, and also, empathy doesn't connect at all.... any idea ? pidgin works well
[16:52] <socomm> Raphi974: no idea, try empathy's channel
[16:53] <vox> BluesKaj: one cant install anything until they can change their mac address.
[16:53] <Raphi974> socomm, ok
[16:53] <socomm> Raphi974: might be that there's offline mode on that client, not sure
[16:53] <Raphi974> socomm, i'll join their channel in a minute, just after filling the bug
[16:54] <l_r> hello
[16:54] <socomm> l_r: hello
[16:56] <l_r> how is empathy working up until now in kamic beta?
[16:56] <BluesKaj> vox ??
[16:56] <socomm> l_r: Raphi974 is having problems with empathy, could be related?
[16:56] <Raphi974> socomm, maybe lol
[16:57] <BluesKaj> vox, I never encountered that problem with wicd or any networking apps
[16:57] <Raphi974> socomm, since i installed Karmic, it won't connect at all
[16:57] <l_r> Raphi974, what kind of problems?
[16:57] <socomm> l_r: see above
[16:57] <l_r> well..they are network problems..not strictly related to empathy
[16:58] <vox> BluesKaj: i have never, ever, had network-manager actually work in an acceptable way, except on one(1) laptop
[16:58] <BluesKaj> vox, did you try wicd ?
[16:58] <BluesKaj> !info wicd
[16:58] <vox> neg
[16:58] <vox> i just hard-coded /etc/network/interfaces
[16:58] <Raphi974> here's my problem : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipD2rQwJpM0
[17:03] <robin0800_> BluesKaj: run blkid to get uuid put in fstab run depmod -a run update-initramfs -u run update-grub
[17:06] <rockrat> hi
[17:07] <rockrat> how turn off mouse wheel functionality, for tab switching, window selection. is there any configuration manager screen for such ? thanks
[17:08] <uberspaced> when I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it doesn't give me a menu to select the resolution I want to use.
[17:08] <uberspaced> it just returns a prompt.  yes, I'm running it as root.
[17:08] <uberspaced> I'm basically trying to configure this old ass video card that does RCA out
[17:09] <uberspaced> it posts at the right resolution, then it inits at a higher resolution
[17:10] <uberspaced> and when it gets into X, it gets to some place where the refresh rate + resolution is a bad combination.
[17:10] <uberspaced> when I type reboot, a splash screen with the ubuntu logo shows up correctly, at the resolution I want
[17:10] <uberspaced> it's just weird.
[17:11] <uberspaced> any help on dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg would be greatly appreciated.
[17:11] <uberspaced> ah.  maybe it's showing up on the on-board card.  didn't think about that.
[17:11] <shadeslayer> uberspaced: whats the problem with dpkg?
[17:12] <shadeslayer> dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xorg
[17:13]  * NinjaPlimsolls gets comfy and falls asleep again
[17:14] <BluesKaj> robin0800_, how do I blkid a networked pc ?
[17:14] <ldeveaux> hi!
[17:14] <shadeslayer> ldeveaux: hi!
[17:14] <ldeveaux> When I run the installation CD, I have the following message: "Your installation CD-ROM couldn't be mounted.... Try again to mount the CD-ROM?"
[17:15] <djdarkman> hello, Karmic boots really slow on a 1,6 GHz 1GB RAM netbook, is there a reason for this?
[17:15] <ldeveaux> Does somebody know how to fix this problem? Thanks in advance
[17:15] <djdarkman> is there a way to find out why does it boots this slow?
[17:15] <ldeveaux> I have an external driver and I use it for the installation
[17:16] <shadeslayer> ldeveaux: did you check the cd? like a md5sum
[17:16] <rockrat> ldeveaux: perhaps BETA ?
[17:16] <ldeveaux> rockrat: yes this is the BETA version
[17:16] <robin0800_> BluesKaj:  are you trying to mount the p-c or just the shares?
[17:17] <ldeveaux> shadeslayer: I cannot check the cd because of the same message
[17:17] <rockrat> ldeveaux: it boots slow for me 2, lets wait for release :)
[17:17] <shadeslayer> ldeveaux: perhaps checking it in the currently installed os ?
[17:18] <ldeveaux> shadeslayer: I don't have any OS already installed, just a /home partition
[17:18] <ldeveaux> rockrat: I need a Kubuntu version know for my work
[17:18] <shadeslayer> rockrat djdarkman check your startup services in tty1 and see whats taking so long to start,use bootchart for a confirmation and then file a bug against it
[17:18] <Fanfare> ldeveaux: possible to boot from USB-thunb? try that...
[17:19] <djdarkman> shadeslayer, what is bootchart?
[17:19] <shadeslayer> !info bootchart | djdarkman
[17:19] <djdarkman> thank you shadeslayer
[17:19] <amx109> the latest beta doesnt seem to work with newer ati cards - just d/l the daily live cd and its as broken as my karmic install
[17:20] <ldeveaux> Fanfare: okay! do you know software to make USB key bootable
[17:20] <shadeslayer> djdarkman: it gives a graphical representation of your boot sequence,what takes what amount of time,image is placed in /var/log/bootchart
[17:20] <shadeslayer> ldeveaux: usb-creator
[17:20] <Fanfare> ldeveaux: on a running ubuntu theres a tool usb-creator...
[17:20] <shadeslayer> theres also unetbootin....
[17:22] <rockrat> well i was here for configuring mouse wheel
[17:22] <rockrat> so anyone know how to do it ?
[17:22] <rockrat> like re-configuring or redefining actions associated with mouse wheel
[17:22] <shadeslayer> rockrat: what touchpad?
[17:22] <shadeslayer> (if you have a touchpad)
[17:22] <rockrat> nop
[17:22] <shadeslayer> !mouse | rockrat
[17:23] <rockrat> perhaps its intellimouse
[17:23] <shadeslayer> rockrat: what DE ?
[17:23] <shadeslayer> ubottu is silent?
[17:23] <rockrat> DE ?
[17:23] <shadeslayer> rockrat: gnome or KDE ?
[17:23] <rockrat> gnome
[17:24] <shadeslayer> hehe.... lag...
[17:24] <rockrat> shadeslayer: but i want to disable already associated actions
[17:24] <shadeslayer> rockrat: then just follow the guide from the bottom to the top
[17:24] <rockrat> lol
[17:24] <shadeslayer> rockrat: the process will be the same
[17:24] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:26] <rockrat> mm more interested that little gdm configuration manager which use to be part of System>>Preferences>>
[17:26] <uberspaced> all right.  Now i'm in a better position to fix things.
[17:26] <Fanfare> !kdevicekit
[17:26] <uberspaced> so, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does not give me a prompt to configure anything.
[17:29] <rockrat> !ubotu gnome-configuration-manager
[17:30] <shadeslayer> hehe...
[17:30] <rockrat> perhaps i should uninstall compiz
[17:31] <uberspaced> bah.  the mini-iso installer graphic settings look PERFECT.  I'm reinstalling and I'll see if X comes up with that resolution as well.
[17:32] <heyjoe> Hello, after using apt-get to upgrade, some packages are being held back. See: http://paste.ubuntu.com/290205/ for output. On #ubuntu it was suggested that I use synaptic instead. However, if i click mark all upgrades and apply it wants to install additional packages. What is the best course of action? Is it supposed to hold back packages?
[17:32] <rockrat> brb
[17:33] <MyWay> hi, i have gdb using my cpu 90/98% and all is going slow, can i remove it or it's needed?
[17:34] <penguin42> MyWay: Something is in the middle of crashing and it's just generating debug info for it
[17:34] <MyWay> ah ok
[17:34] <MyWay> so i have to wait and then report the bug
[17:34] <shadeslayer> whats a good alternate for dreamweaver ?
[17:35] <mac_v> !gnome-configuration-manager
[17:35] <uberspaced> hey.  If I have the last portion of the strace for dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[17:35] <MyWay> shadeslayer: i think there isn't, try geany
[17:35] <uberspaced> and it didn't work, would that be valuable to yous guys?
[17:36] <mac_v> heyjoe: dont use synaptic  , read this > www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/beta
[17:37] <heyjoe> mac_v: will do
[17:37] <MyWay> penguin42: another thing, it's like if my audio is lagging and it's doing strange rumors, what can be?
[17:37] <penguin42> MyWay: rumors?
[17:37] <penguin42> not sure
[17:38] <MyWay> hm like noises
[17:39] <djdarkman> does someone know what to report boot speed bugs against?
[17:39] <djdarkman> (ubuntu-bug command would be even more appreciated)
[17:40] <shadeslayer> djdarkman: ubuntu-bug <package name>
[17:40] <shadeslayer> djdarkman: i think a bug against ubuntu-meta with a tag of boot would be sufficient
[17:41] <djdarkman> shadeslayer, but what is the package that I should report the speed bugs against? (checked wiki, found nothing)
[17:41] <shadeslayer> djdarkman: ubuntu-meta
[17:41] <djdarkman> thanks shadeslayer, I already reported quite a few bugs, but I'm still not used to launchpads concept
[17:46] <vigo> Still on FS ext 3 , is this correct?
[17:46] <billybigrigger> ext4 is default in karmic
[17:47] <Raphi974> Hi, does someone has the brightness bug ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipD2rQwJpM0
[17:48] <vigo> I am on Karmic 9.10 development branch.
[17:48] <Frickelpit> vigo: did you Upgrade from Jaunty?
[17:49] <vigo> Frickelpit: No, clean from source
[17:49] <Frickelpit> vigo: Fresh Install should be with ext4
[17:49] <djdarkman> ubuntu-bug -p ubuntu-meta says that "Package ubuntu-meta" does not exist.....
[17:50] <vigo> Frickelpit: I did the Alpha-2, so on and so on.
[17:50] <rockrat> shadeslayer: nop, still no luck
[17:50] <shadeslayer> djdarkman: try : ubuntu
[17:50] <djdarkman> shadeslayer, same error
[17:51] <shadeslayer> ._.
[17:51] <djdarkman> how could this be?
[17:51] <shadeslayer> rockrat: what did you do?
[17:51] <rockrat> uninstalled compiz :)
[17:51] <djdarkman> should I report it against linux and add ubuntu-meta afterwards?
[17:52] <shadeslayer> rockrat: for disabling mouse buttons? why would you do that?
[17:52] <rockrat> mouse wheel up/down still switch between opened windows
[17:52] <shadeslayer> rockrat: you want to disable that? check it under keyboard shortcuts
[17:52] <rockrat> i don't want to disable mouse button, but i want to disable mouse wheel association to switch opened windows
[17:53] <shadeslayer> btw i can control a remote machine via ssh right?
[17:54] <rockrat> its not there
[17:54] <vigo> rockrat: Is that a macro in Main Menu or Mouse?
[17:54] <rockrat> vigo: sorry ?
[17:54] <vigo> rockrat: I think that is in Main Menu. let me look again.
[17:55] <rockrat> k
[17:58] <Fanfare> anyone know if kvkbd support for kdm works now? (Table user)
[18:00] <vigo> rockrat: is worth a look, open Main Menu/GUI> System>Mouse, there is a Help launcher on that , it explains some of that, but I am still looking.
[18:00] <uberspaced> what display settings are chosen for the graphical display when booting off of an install image?
[18:00] <rockrat> vigo: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2008-November/033897.html
[18:00] <rockrat> this problem explains exactly what i am looking for
[18:01]  * Twigathy hugs his karmic mini.iso. So handy... nice text-based installer too... c_c
[18:01] <rockrat> vigo: thanks i check GUI
[18:03] <vigo> rockrat: I am on Edbuntu, is KDE/Gnome mixed, now, I will have to look further into that to get a definitive response.
[18:05] <uberspaced> timber, his arms wide.
[18:07] <uberspaced> star trek TNG references? no? yes?
[18:11] <penguin42> something like gelad and picard ....
[18:11] <uberspaced> close enough.
[18:13] <billybigrigger> any nvidia vdpau users here?
[18:14] <johnni> I used it once..wassup?
[18:17] <Nattgew> what do you call the thing that shows pictures in the sidebar of f-spot view? what kind of widget is that?
[18:19] <timber> does somebody know if the syndaemon command works on karmic beta?
[18:20] <Nattgew> timber: what command do you mean?
[18:22] <Nattgew> timber: oh, right... I got I it... Gnome appears to disable my touchpad when I'm typing, so I think so...
[18:24] <Nattgew> can anyone use the sidebar of f-spot (and similar instances of that kind of list)? it won't accept any clicks for me
[18:27] <mirkone> Hallo folgene Problem seit Karmic ... der Pegel der Soundkarte istbei meinem System zu gering / Kopfhörerausgang zu leise was kann ich testen
[18:27] <johnni> Nattgew, i just tried f-spot and mine crashes on start
[18:27] <Frickelpit> mirkone: try #ubuntu-de+1
[18:28] <Nattgew> how about f-spot view?
[18:28] <mirkone> Frickelpit: oh sorry .. thanks
[18:28] <kulight> any one know of an app that record mouse events ?
[18:30] <kulight> !keylogger
[18:30] <Martyn> Good morning
[18:30] <Martyn> Well, afternoon now
[18:31] <kulight> evening...
[18:31] <LjL> !info xmacro | kulight
[18:31] <kulight> LjL TY
[18:31] <Nattgew> johnni: I meant f-spot view... does that work for you?
[18:32] <Royall> Does #ubuntu+1 recommend just a full reinstalling or a dist upgrade for .10?
[18:32] <johnni> Nattgew, how do you get that? and I will check
[18:33] <wes32> Royall: if you're interested in ext4 and you do not run that already, a full reinstallation might be a good idea
[18:33] <erle-> arielCo, can't reproduce the error anyway, so what
[18:33] <Nattgew> johnni: you may be able to find it in the menu... or you can go to a picture file and "open with"
[18:33] <Royall> wes32: I'm all two of those things, so I guess I'll reinstall
[18:33] <wes32> considering the changes in back-end, such as GRUB2 and AppArmor, it probably is the safer option at the moment as well :)
[18:33] <johnni> okay I have that open it works for me
[18:34] <Nattgew> johnni: thanks... that's weird
[18:34] <johnni> Nattgew, welcome..now f-spot alone crashes for me..but f-spot view works fine even rotate left right etc
[18:35] <Nattgew> johnni: can you click on the sidebar to change pictures on the left?
[18:35] <Royall> Is there a specfic guide on how to uninstall 9.04 and install 9.10 correctly?
[18:35] <johnni> Nattgew, let me get more pictures on my computer real quick and i can tell you then
[18:36] <wes32> Royall: the standard way would be to back-up your home folder (as it contains your personal documents) and just wipe the hdd (assuming no other OS's exist on the hdd)
[18:36] <Royall> wes32: I have a Vista partition
[18:36] <wes32> then you likely just want to wipe the Ubuntu partition and install atop that :)
[18:37] <Royall> kay
[18:37] <johnni> Nattgew, you are right on that...it won't let me pick other pictures even though it lets me add them on that pane
[18:37] <wes32> Royall: have you considered waiting a few days for 9.10 final, by the way?
[18:37] <Royall> wes32: Yep, I'm not going to make the same mistake as I did with .04 :P
[18:37] <wes32> as it's only three weeks ahead of us by now :)
[18:38] <Nattgew> johnni: thank you for testing that... I can't find a bug about that, I guess I'll try reporting one.
[18:38] <johnni> Nattgew, you can't click them, but you can use the arrow keys to go up and down if that helps
[18:39] <Nattgew> johnni: thank, I didn't notice that
[18:39] <darkham> when in live i run with "minimal graphic mode"
[18:39] <darkham> what i run?
[18:39] <Royall> 9.10 stillll doesn't allow seperate backgrounds for each workspace? ugh
[18:39] <wes32> doesn't Compiz have a workaround for that?
[18:39] <Royall> I think I tried it, but to no avail
[18:40] <johnni> Nattgew, welcome
[18:40] <wes32> google gives http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=6199
[18:40] <wes32> I vaguely remember having a separate wallpaper on every workspace a year or two ago
[18:41] <Nattgew> if I list a program in /etc/gdm/PostSession/Default, it should run that when I log out or shut down... right?
[18:41] <wes32> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/93/ seems to be the idea regarding it
[18:42] <Royall> How do I save stuff like my rtorrent settings, my Deluge settings, my Banshee playlists, etc, when reinstalling?
[18:42] <wes32> Royall: those should be in your home folder (/home/yourusername/), in .hidden folders
[18:42] <Royall> ah
[18:43] <wes32> deluge settings are in /home/user/.config/deluge for example
[18:44] <webbb82> after doing a few updates  when i reboot my computer i get a screen asking me what i want to boot as in recovery mode but there are also a bunch of ubuntu 2.31.08
[18:44] <wes32> i'd imagine banshee and rtorrent save their settings there as well
[18:44] <webbb82> everytime i update a new one gets added to the boot list
[18:44] <Royall> Is there a way to get a list of currently, manually installed packages so I can reinstall the ones I want when I reinstall? I guess I could just look in Add/Remove for the applications, but there are some other packages that wouldn't be there
[18:46] <timber> hey, my screensaver goes on while i'm watching a movie with vlc player....how i don't let the screensaver appear?
[18:46] <Turms_> Royall: dpkg --get-selections > file
[18:46] <tgpraveen> !info hunspell
[18:46] <webbb82> so now when i start my computer it asks if i want to start recovery mode/safe mode/generic/ and 5 others just updated versions
[18:46] <Turms_> Royall: when you reinstall you can run dpkg --set-selections < file
[18:46] <tgpraveen> hey can some one tell me a good HTML WYSIWYG type editor in Karmic?
[18:46] <Royall> Turms_: that's... nifty
[18:47] <tgpraveen> some thing to replace MS Front Page
[18:47] <tgpraveen> ?
[18:47] <corigo> I am trying to report an installation bug on a plasma widget  that is supposed to be new default method for alternate (Chinese, Japanese, etc.) language entry... but https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search?text=plasma-widget-kimpanel when I click on "Report a bug" all I get is the Ubuntu wiki page... how can I report the bug?
[18:49] <Turms_> tgpraveen: nvu but i don't think it is in the repositories
[18:49] <Nattgew> corigo: you have to run "ubuntu-bug <packagename>", or there is a link towards the bottom that tells you how to report online
[18:49] <tgpraveen> Turms_: I do prefer something from repos.
[18:50] <tgpraveen> how is bluefish or kompozer?
[18:50] <Turms_> tgpraveen: ok now nvu has changed name it is kompozer - complete Web Authoring System
[18:50] <corigo> Nattgew: Ubuntu-bug claims there is no such package
[18:51] <Turms_> tgpraveen: apt-cache showpkg kompozer
[18:51] <Nattgew> tgpraveen: maybe Amaya? http://www.w3.org/Amaya/
[18:51] <vox> why in the name of all that is holy is postfix and dependancy of mdadm?
[18:51] <wes32> apt is so underrated :)
[18:52] <Turms_> tgpraveen: download both amaya and kompozer and give them a try
[18:52] <Nattgew> corigo: did you run "ubuntu-bug plasma-widget-kimpanel"?
[18:54] <webbb82> everytime i update a new linux header it will keep the old one so when i boot i get a screen asking me to pick linux 2.6.31-13 or linux 2.6.31-12or linux 2.6.31-11  do i need all of the old headers
[18:54] <Nattgew> webbb82: any package specific to one kernel version can be removed if you're not going to use that version
[18:56] <Turms_> webbb82: better if you use the pkg manager for uninstalling them rather just remove them from /usr/src
[18:56] <webbb82> ok
[18:57] <mac_v> webbb82: not needed , better to just keep the second last kernel if you have -13 , you can keep -12 , ,sp that if anything goes wrong in -13 you have a backup
[18:57] <corigo> Nattgew: yes
[18:57] <webbb82> true
[18:57] <corigo> That's when it told me that the package didn't exist
[18:57] <Nattgew> corigo: that command worked for me...
[18:58] <corigo> LaunchPad seems to be completely down.
[18:58] <corigo> Nattgew: are you running 9.10 beta?
[18:58] <Nattgew> corigo: yes
[18:58] <johnni> in Jaunty I had Pidgin Instant Messenger and I had a little icon on my top bar for it...how do I get the basic same thing on Empathy?
[18:59] <corigo> I'm running 9.04...
[18:59] <Nattgew> johnni: you mean like in the tray when it's running?
[18:59] <mac_v> johnni: you cant ;)
[18:59] <Nattgew> corigo: I think that package is only in karmic, you may need to be running 9.10 to report that way
[18:59] <johnni> awww thats not right lol why not?
[19:00] <mac_v> johnni: unless you remove the indicator-applet , but you have the messages displayed in the indicator applet
[19:00] <corigo> Nattgew: hence my question about LaunchPad
[19:01] <johnni> I just want the icon up there so when I close empathy I can click the icon and its still open..not that I have to keep the window open all the time
[19:01] <eurythmia> when browsing around on the karmic live system, available on the 'desktop' install cd, what is the default password?
[19:01] <stonk> Hi there. Just a little thing I thought I should mention: If for any reason someone modprobes nvidia and restarts X from the live CDs the installer can't see sata disks attached to an ICH10 controller. Today I didn't modprobe nvidia and can see them all.
[19:01] <mac_v> johnni: yeah , thats a regression... you need to report a bug for that
[19:01] <eurythmia> ... heh, blank apparently.
[19:02] <timber> hey, someone can tell me why my computer turns on the screensaver when i'm watching a movie?
[19:02] <mac_v> timber: vlc?
[19:02] <johnni> i guess i should just go back to pidgin lol
[19:02] <timber> mac_v, yeah, i use vlc
[19:02] <Nattgew> corigo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing%20bugs%20at%20Launchpad.net
[19:02] <mac_v> timber: Bug #428884
[19:03] <corigo> Nattgew: Yes, that is where I keep getting redirect to... I then click on the "No Redirect" bug report link, enter my comment and get a timeout message. Launchpad seems to be down
[19:04] <corigo> This is a critical widget for 9.10... without this writing alternate languages in KDE is basically impossible
[19:05] <Nattgew> corigo: try the other like that you put the package name in
[19:05] <timber> mac_v, ubottu, so there's nothing to do? just wait while they try to fix this?
[19:06] <mac_v> timber: ubottu is a bot ;)
[19:06] <mac_v> timber: if you know how to fix it , you can submit a patch or we'd have to wait :(
[19:07] <timber> mac_v, sorry, i didn't know he was a bot, hehe...which other player is good to use while the bug persists
[19:07] <timber> ?
[19:07] <rockrat> hi
[19:08] <mac_v> timber: you could use the default totem player, that works
[19:08] <rockrat> when i click main menu, it only displays places and system
[19:08] <timber> mac_v, and you know something about a beep that happens when open a sound file?
[19:08] <rockrat> rest of the menu is gone. how to fix it ? thanks
[19:08] <mac_v> rockrat: screenshot pls
[19:09] <rockrat> sure
[19:09] <mac_v> timber: hmm , nope
[19:09] <rockrat> nop
[19:09] <timber> mac_v, that's ok, thanks for help...now i'll continue to watch my movies
[19:10] <rockrat> wait
[19:10] <thiebaude> rockrat, can you delete the menu from the panel and just add it back?
[19:11] <rockrat> i did but it appears with same menu items
[19:11] <thiebaude> ahh,ok
[19:11] <rockrat> even new menu bar, added main menu and it appears with same two options
[19:11] <timber> mac_v, do you how to change the color of subtitles on totem?
[19:12] <mac_v> rockrat: try this , move the ~/.config/menus folder to somewhere else and restart session
[19:12] <mac_v> timber: i dont think it is possible
[19:12] <topyli> totem still doesn't do dvb subtitles at all. i need vlc and i don't even like it :(
[19:12] <rockrat> k
[19:14] <rockrat> brb
[19:14] <thiebaude> topyli, everytime i used vlc it didn't have sound
[19:16] <Dr_Willis> be sure to set the media pklayers to use pulse audio -  if you can. some times they are set to the wrong sound output
[19:16] <rockrat> thanks its fixed now
[19:16] <thiebaude> Dr_Willis, i'll check that, thanks
[19:16] <Dr_Willis> i can rarely get totem to play anything.. yesterday on 9.10 i tried totem.. it installed some exctra packages.. and still couldent play the file..
[19:17] <Dr_Willis> vlc/mplayer plaied it fine.  :()
[19:17] <thiebaude> Dr_Willis, when i use vlc i use it with the media player plugin for firefox
[19:17] <Dr_Willis> i rarely play things in firefox.
[19:18] <thiebaude> Dr_Willis, how about if you wanted to see a video that was on a website?
[19:18] <Dr_Willis> thiebaude:  i tend to just use a download tool to grab it to hd.
[19:18] <thiebaude> Dr_Willis, ok, cool
[19:18] <Dr_Willis> of course most siutes use that annoying flash for videos these days...
[19:18] <timber> mac_v, do you know if this bug appears only on karmic?
[19:18] <thiebaude> yep
[19:18] <Dr_Willis> Perhaps with FF3.5 s new features they will get away from that
[19:18] <wekt> Where in the archive (pool) are the source packages?
[19:19] <thiebaude> Dr_Willis, but flash is everywhere,lol
[19:19] <mac_v> timber: seems so , didnt happen in jaunty
[19:19] <wekt> FlashBlock is nice for stopping flash.  I think NoScript does it too.
[19:19] <Dr_Willis> thiebaude:  and at one time i rember 'realplayer' being everywhere.. then 'java was everhwhere'
[19:19]  * mac_v likes adblock for flash ad block ;)
[19:19] <timber> mac_v, that's what i thought, but yesterday this bug didn't happen here
[19:20] <rockrat> mac_v: can you please help to solve this problem >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2008-November/033897.html
[19:20] <thiebaude> Dr_Willis, i tended to stay away from realplayer
[19:20] <Dr_Willis> yep - realplayer went from Big Name to NoName real fast.
[19:21] <thiebaude> haha
[19:21] <mac_v> rockrat: i havent tried kubuntu .... does kubuntu use compiz?
[19:22] <Dr_Willis> now the onlyu time i hear realplayer mentioned is when people are trying to watch mlb.com in linux
[19:22] <Dr_Willis> KDE4 has its own composting windopw manager - not compiuz
[19:22] <mac_v> hmm , this seems similar to a compiz bug
[19:23] <wekt> Dr_Willis: Yes, composting window managers help your windows grow nicely.
[19:23] <rockrat> mac_v: nop, i use ubuntu / gnome. and it has the same problem
[19:24] <mac_v> rockrat: if you use gnome , this problem was solved
[19:24] <mac_v> in karmic
[19:24] <rockrat> mac_v: aah ok, how can i disable mouse wheel association with window switching
[19:24] <danielwehner> hi, ich habe gerade auf 9.10 updateded, leider ist während der installation  das update eingefriert, kann man das upgrade auch von der livecd vollziehen?
[19:24] <rizwan> hello. after an update when i reboot karmic i see a blank screen after the boot splash. suspect it's probably nvidia? driver is nvidia. card gf 7800 gtx.
[19:24] <thiebaude> !de
[19:25] <rizwan> had this issue wtih both ubuntu and kubuntu
[19:25] <rizwan> any ideas?
[19:25] <wekt> danielwehner: i think not.
[19:25] <danielwehner> wekt: any suggestions?
[19:26] <wekt> danielwehner: If you can use the install DVD to boot your system, then you can continue with the update.
[19:26] <wekt> danielwehner: or use the live cd to boot your system.
[19:26] <rizwan> and have happened since alpha5 or so :-) had this with beta just a few mins ago as well. quite annoying.
[19:26] <danielwehner> wekt: i am in the live system currently
[19:26] <danielwehner> wekt: but how can i continue the update
[19:27] <wekt> run :   aptitude install
[19:27] <wekt> no better:  aptitude dist-upgrade
[19:28] <danielwehner> wekt:  i tryed the second one, but nothing happens
[19:28] <wekt> but i recommend against upgrading at this point.  Back up your data and do a fresh install.
[19:29] <mac_v> rockrat: check the ccsm settings , application switcher or ring switcher.. *switcher in the window managements , you might have enabled something
[19:29] <rockrat> mac_v: ok let me check
[19:30] <zachtib> morning
[19:32] <WIGGMPk> Trying to install 9.10 amd64 alternate on a BIOS RAID0 setup and the install gets to installing the boot loader and keeps prompting me to select the next process. I select install GRUB and it acts like its going to and just prompts me again. Any thoughts?
[19:33] <rizwan> how to book karmic into safe mode? (without loading nvidia drivers etc)
[19:33] <rockrat> mac_v: besides is there any window manager i should check for, i tried gnome-wm but it says another manager is already running, --replace to replace current.
[19:33] <rizwan> s/book/boot/
[19:33] <shadeslayer> rizwan: just reboot and select the second ubuntu option
[19:34] <mac_v> rockrat: i meant check the CompizConfig Settings Manager
[19:34] <rizwan> shadeslayer, i chose default grub setup and it doesn't display any menu whatsoever on boot
[19:34] <rockrat> mac_v: compiz and ccsm are not installed
[19:34] <rizwan> shadeslayer, what's the key to force menu display?
[19:34] <shadeslayer> rizwan: press esc during the boot
[19:35] <mac_v> rockrat: oh , you dont use compiz?
[19:35] <rockrat> mac_v: nop
[19:35] <shadeslayer> rizwan: as soon as the BIOS lods
[19:35] <shadeslayer> *loads
[19:35] <logophobia> hi, has anyone managed to setup encrypted partitions with cryptsetup luks. It stopped working for me when I upgraded. It prints an error message that it can't access the device. But when I start them manually after the boot with the /etc/init.d/cryptdisks they work just fine.
[19:36] <rizwan> shadeslayer, 1 sec. trying :)
[19:36] <mac_v> rockrat: then i'm not sure what the problem is? does the window change automatically or only after you hover over the window?
[19:36] <rockrat> mac_v: when mouse cursor / pointer over window, and mouse wheel up / down
[19:36] <rizwan> shadeslayer, doesnt
[19:36] <shadeslayer> rizwan: ._.
[19:37] <mac_v> rockrat: disable the window selection option from window preferences
[19:37] <shadeslayer> rizwan: strange...
[19:37] <rockrat> mac_v: its disabled
[19:38] <shadeslayer> im not on ubuntu and i really dont remember where you can configure this
[19:38] <rizwan> shadeslayer, cant figure out grub2's settings.
[19:38] <shadeslayer> rizwan: same here
[19:38] <rizwan> shadeslayer, no worries mate.
[19:38] <rockrat> mac_v: anyway i can disable mouse wheel action association except for scrolling ?
[19:39] <rizwan> shadeslayer, my main problem is not safe mode. its the blank screen i get after bootsplash
[19:39] <mac_v> rockrat: hmmm... not sure whats causing the problem , i'm stumped
[19:39] <shadeslayer> rizwan: KDE or gnome?
[19:39] <rizwan> shadeslayer, happened three times since alpha 5 or so.
[19:39] <rizwan> shadeslayer, KDE
[19:39] <shadeslayer> rizwan: does krunner work?
[19:39] <rizwan> shadeslayer, yes
[19:40] <shadeslayer> rizwan: plasma-desktop
[19:40] <rizwan> shadeslayer, it happens after i run updates
[19:40] <rizwan> shadeslayer, everything works
[19:40] <shadeslayer> rizwan: type that in kunner
[19:40] <rizwan> shadeslayer,  but after updates when i boot it doesnt go to kdm even.
[19:40] <shadeslayer> rizwan: oh...
[19:40] <rizwan> shadeslayer, just blank after bootsplash. i can see that screen is lit (it's not pitch black but slightly lit blank)
[19:41] <rizwan> shadeslayer, and keyboard works. I can Ctrl+Alt+del
[19:41] <rizwan> shadeslayer, etc...
[19:42] <mostafa_>  anyone can help me with how to make this file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/290286/ via diff command (actually this patch files grouply)
[19:42] <wekt> what is the correct command to pull a kernel source package?    apt-get source linux-????????
[19:42] <JoshuaL> :o
[19:45] <shadeslayer> wekt: yep...
[19:45] <shadeslayer> wekt: more like apt-get source kernel-source
[19:46] <shadeslayer> wekt: youll have to search the correct package
[19:48] <Pienjo> rizwan: I had the same thing today. Even did a fresh reinstall->update->broken.
[19:49] <Pienjo> (i'm using netbook-remix, if that makes any difference)
[19:50] <rizwan> Pienjo, yup mate. did that three times
[19:50] <wekt> rizwan, Pienjo: what graphics device?
[19:50] <rizwan> Pienjo, cut feeling says doesnt
[19:50] <Pienjo> GMA950
[19:50] <wekt> intel?
[19:50] <Pienjo> yeah
[19:50] <rizwan> wekt, nvidia 7800 gtx. driver is nvidia 185.x.x.x (whatever ubuntu comes with latest)O
[19:51] <timber> mac_v, i think that i found a parcial solution for the bug on vlc
[19:51] <wekt> well if the main archive does not work, try xorg-edgers
[19:51] <Pienjo> Oh, and I *am* getting the Ubuntu logo
[19:52] <mac_v> timber: delay the screensaver?
[19:52] <luka> could anyone install gnome package?
[19:52] <rizwan> wekt, Pienjo: same here. I get the boot splash. "Kubuntu" after that it goes dlank
[19:52] <timber> mac_v, no, i deleted the ~/.config/vlc folder
[19:53] <mostafa_>  anyone can help me with how to make this file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/290286/ via diff command (actually this patch files grouply)
[19:53] <luka> rizwan: if u have an intel video card i could be the drivers... that issue is reported as a bug
[19:53] <mac_v> timber: that doesnt solve it for me
[19:53] <mostafa_> plzzzzz
[19:53] <rizwan> luka, its nvidia and it happens with nvidia driver
[19:53] <timber> and opened the program...then i selected the option "Always on top" in Tools->Preferences->Video
[19:53] <timber> mac_v, and opened the program...then i selected the option "Always on top" in Tools->Preferences->Video
[19:54] <rizwan> luka, if that makes a difference i removed Device "nvidia" in xorg.conf and replaced with Device "" but no luck
[19:54] <Pienjo> mostafa_: use diff -u
[19:54] <mac_v> timber: interesting... so that fixes it for you?
[19:54]  * mac_v tries
[19:54] <timber> mac_v, yeah
[19:54] <Nattgew> rizwan: you shuld try a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[19:54] <timber> mac_v, the only problem is the fact of the window stay in front of all others
[19:55] <rizwan> Nattgew, thanks mate. gonna try
[19:55] <timber> mac_v, but resolved
[19:55] <Pienjo> Nattgew: how, without a prompt?
[19:55] <luka> rizwan: delete xorg.conf and try again... or you could sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop && sudo Xorg -configure && sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[19:55] <mac_v> timber: if it works you can comment that on the bug
[19:55] <timber> mac_v, try it you too
[19:55] <timber> mac_v, i'll try again
[19:56] <mostafa_> Pienjo: I have used it bro. how to make a diff file to patch all the items in the files just at once (I mean with a command not more)
[19:57] <Pienjo> mostafa_: you mean all the files in a directory?
[19:57] <Pienjo> I'm confused
[19:57] <mostafa_> Pienjo: just let me 1 min to show you what i mean
[20:00] <mostafa_> Pienjo: go this site
[20:00] <mostafa_> http://www.mannasim.dcc.ufmg.br/download.htm
[20:00] <mostafa_> then dl the patch file in item number 2
[20:00] <HoopyCat> mostafa_:  so you have a bunch of files with changes, and you want to produce one file that can be fed into patch?
[20:00] <Pienjo> Oh, and you want to *apply* the patch
[20:00] <mostafa_> yeah exactly right
[20:00] <Pienjo> sorry, I thought you were trying to *create* one
[20:01] <Pienjo> well, it says just below.
[20:01] <mostafa_> no no exactly as u just said
[20:01] <mostafa_> where?
[20:01] <Pienjo> step 3:)
[20:02] <Zvezdichko> Good evening again :) Who messed the dependencies this time :P
[20:02] <HoopyCat> mostafa_:  the -r option to diff will cause it to recurse directories.  actually, take a look at the first line of the patch file -- it'll tell you the command that was used to create it
[20:02] <timber> mac_v, still working...i'll comment on the bug right now
[20:02] <mac_v> timber: didnt work for me :(
[20:02] <timber> mac_v, =/
[20:03] <mac_v> timber: the screensaver activates at the right time ...  :(
[20:03] <mostafa_> HoopyCat: you mean I should use this command "diff -Naur"
[20:03] <HoopyCat> mostafa_:  to create that exact patch, you'd do "diff -Naur ns-allinone-2.29 ns-allinone-2.29-mannasim", where ns-allinone-2.29 is the "old" directory tree and ns-allinone-2.29-mannasim is the "new" directory tree
[20:03] <Zvezdichko> Does anybody have problems with upgrading gdm?
[20:03] <timber> mac_v, here my screensaver is scheduled to activate after 1 minute....didn't activate
[20:04] <mac_v> timber: i set mine to 4 mins and the screensaver activated :(
[20:04] <mostafa_> HoopyCat: let me check
[20:04] <WIGGMPk> Trying to install 9.10 amd64 alternate on a BIOS RAID0 setup and the install gets to installing the boot loader and keeps prompting me to select the next process. I select install GRUB and it acts like its going to and just prompts me again. Any thoughts?
[20:13] <BluesKaj> WIGGMPk, did you format the partiton to ext4 first ?
[20:13] <WIGGMPk> BluesKaj: yes
[20:14] <WIGGMPk> BluesKaj: I have 4 primary patitions.. /boot /root /home + swap
[20:14] <xpistos> Can someome help me get my samba working? I just installed and I am getting an error message from my laptop that says "Unable to mount location Failed to retrieve share list from server?\
[20:14] <BluesKaj> WIGGMPk, it's looking for / on ext 4 , I think
[20:15] <WIGGMPk> BluesKaj: explain? all 3 partitions are formated to ext4.
[20:16] <zachtib> can you use ext4 for /boot now/
[20:16] <zachtib> ?
[20:16] <zachtib> and, by /root, did you mean / ?
[20:16] <WIGGMPk> yes
[20:16] <WIGGMPk> I used ext4 of my /boot partition in Jaunty without issues
[20:17] <zachtib> ok... just wondering, I still see people using ext2 for /boot :P
[20:17] <WIGGMPk> Well doesnt GRUB2 support ext4 natively?
[20:17] <thiebaude> Dr_Willis, thanks for the suggestion earlier about enable pulse audio for vlc, it plays wmv. file perfectly
[20:17] <BluesKaj> WIGGMPk,  dunno, i just used / to install it , i don't bother with separate partitions for root or home. never found any advantages
[20:17] <assoguerozen_sx> flashplugin still have the missing mouse click bug?
[20:19] <mostafa_> HoopyCat: very Good it solved the prob
[20:19] <BluesKaj> WIGGMPk, if you mean / as root then yes
[20:19] <mostafa_> HoopyCat: hurayyyyyy thanks bro
[20:19] <WIGGMPk> Its not like its giving me an error or reason why it wont install. It just keeps showing me the menu of installation options with Install GRUB boot loader highlighted. I keep selecting and it just doesnt finish the install
[20:19] <jbuncher> anyone know (approximately) how much adding kde4 increases the size of a basic karmic install?
[20:20] <HoopyCat> mostafa_:  no problem.  :-)  if you need to do this on a regular basis, many modern version control systems (e.g. git) will do the magic for you without having to keep two directory trees around, as well.
[20:22] <mostafa_> HoopyCat: thnx for this then how could I know these modern control system? (I mean where can I find them)
[20:22] <mostafa_> :D
[20:24] <HoopyCat> mostafa_:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_revision_control_software has a list... if you're working on an existing project, usually they'll already have one in use.  if you're creating a new one, you get to pick.  there's often a steep learning curve, but if you're doing a lot of development/programming, it's time well spent.  (i personally use git, but it's a personal preference thing)
[20:25] <EruditeHermit> hi, is there any way to get a list of all packages installed on Ubuntu and then use that list to install those same packages on a different Ubuntu partition?
[20:25] <mostafa_> HoopyCat: very cool really thnx 4 your help
[20:25] <mostafa_> ;)
[20:26] <topyli> EruditeHermit, 'dpkg --get-selections > list.txt' and then 'dpkg --set-selections < list.txt'. then apt-get update and dist-upgrade
[20:26] <HoopyCat> EruditeHermit:  dpkg --get-selections will spit the list out; dpkg --set-selections will read it in
[20:27] <EruditeHermit> ah
[20:27] <EruditeHermit> very nice
[20:27] <EruditeHermit> thanks
[20:27] <Martyn> hmmm...
[20:27] <topyli> EruditeHermit, that's the old-school debian way. some apparently say it's better on ubuntu to save and set your package selections with synaptic
[20:28] <Martyn> topyli : People who don't want to use synaptic can use aptitude, with good results
[20:28] <HoopyCat> EruditeHermit:  you might also want to dpkg --clear-selections before --set-selections, depending on what all's installed on the target
[20:28] <topyli> Martyn, ah, good to know
[20:28] <EruditeHermit> topyli, where in synaptic is that option?
[20:29] <EruditeHermit> HoopyCat, what do you mean depending on what is installed on the target?
[20:29] <EruditeHermit> where would it run into trouble
[20:29]  * nick125 wonders why his USB speakers aren't working in Karmic...
[20:30] <test34> now the update manager ask for the password twice, once for check for updates and one for installing the updates... isn't that a little paranoid?
[20:30] <topyli> EruditeHermit, fie -> generate package download script
[20:30] <nick125> Well..the speakers show up in ALSA, but
[20:31] <nick125> Pulseaudio seems to not be detecting it..it's throwing an error about it trying to configure the device more than 5 times in 10 seconds. Any ideas?
[20:31] <HoopyCat> EruditeHermit:  if there are packages installed on the target system that aren't on the original system, they won't be uninstalled unless you do a --clear-selections.  this may or may not be a problem.
[20:31] <EruditeHermit> ah
[20:31] <EruditeHermit> thats ok
[20:32] <EruditeHermit> i'm trying to copy over all my files to a new partition with ext4 karmic
[20:32] <NoelJB> HoopyCat, I'll probably use that when I do a clean reinstall of karmic, and just want to compare it with my current install.
[20:32] <NoelJB> HoopyCat, dpkg -l also works, but why bother with versions?  :-)
[20:33] <HoopyCat> the synaptic way looks to be better in a graphical environment, but i always remember the --get-selections way; i stick it in a nightly cron job so a plaintext file of installed packages gets backed up
[20:33] <EruditeHermit> its nice to know both ways
[20:33] <EruditeHermit> but I think the dpkg method is faster
[20:33] <EruditeHermit> so its probably what I'll go with
[20:34] <NoelJB> Martyn, I don't recall if I told you, but I will be at the UDS
[20:34] <NoelJB> Unless an emergency comes up between now and then.
[20:35] <HoopyCat> NoelJB:  two different output formats, two different goals :-)
[20:35] <jbuncher> Speaking of UDS, I just want to let all the devs in here know that (as a user) I'm *very* excited about the "bug fixes rather than big features" approach of Lucid on the desktop.  I think that will make it a phenomenal release.
[20:36] <NoelJB> jbuncher, have you heard anything official about that being the approach?  I agree, that's what we need now: the pause that refreshes.
[20:36] <EruditeHermit> wait isn't gnome3 in lucid
[20:36] <EruditeHermit> and Xorg 7.6
[20:36] <EruditeHermit> =p
[20:37] <NoelJB> EruditeHermit, IIRC, Mark did say that Lucid is explicitly the best of Gnome 2.x, not Gnome 3.
[20:37] <BluesKaj> WIGGMPk, try renaming your /root or /home partition to  /  , then try to install grub2
[20:37] <NinjaPlimsolls> nope, Lucid is GNOME 3
[20:38] <topyli> would help if gnome3 exists by that time .)
[20:38] <vox> any idea when proftpd is going to be installable?
[20:38] <jbuncher> NoelJB, just what I read on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS , which has been updated for Lucid.  The "sync with testing rather than unstable" part is excellent, and it clearly states that it is not a feature-based release or cutting edge. I think Shuttleworth said that server-side there will be new cloud features and such, though.
[20:41] <jbuncher> NoelJB, I was also glad to hear that Mark said it would be the best of GNOME 2 rather than the new GNOME 3 (at least by default).
[20:41] <NoelJB> NinjaPlimsolls, 'scuse me?  I've just checked.  Lucid Lynx is still Gnome 2.  Where do you hear otherwise, other than that Gnome 3 will be available, just as Gnome shell is already available?