| dashua | kwwii, Any chance of deprecating Human-Clearlooks and renaming to Human-Legacy or something and base it on psyke83's original Humanity? | 02:20 |
|---|---|---|
| nysosym | hi there | 11:11 |
| nysosym | congrats for the new ubuntu design | 11:11 |
| kwwii | dashua: not for this cycle, but very likely in the future | 12:07 |
| nysosym | hi kwwii :) | 12:33 |
| nysosym | what was the question from dashua? | 12:33 |
| * ckontros waves | 13:44 | |
| darkham | some artwork change until the 29? | 15:16 |
| === zniavre_ is now known as zniavre | ||
| nysosym | hi there, what was the reason to choose the dark xsplash and gdm theme? | 15:57 |
| nysosym | i like this ones to.. | 15:57 |
| nysosym | http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/27033/mrdoob_ubuntu910_boot08_03_t8gGuK.png | 15:57 |
| nysosym | http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/27032/mrdoob_ubuntu910_boot08_02_2UH3C5.png | 15:57 |
| nysosym | this matches the default wallpaper much better | 15:57 |
| ckontros | nysosym: kwwii might be able to tell you as he's the only one who works @ Canonical and this is a channel for community art. | 15:59 |
| nysosym | a well, but is there an official art channel? | 16:01 |
| ckontros | Not really. Mostly a closed team. Closest thing is #ubuntu-desktop. kwwii is the guy to talk to though. (but even he doesn't make the art decisions) | 16:02 |
| nysosym | is there a new art director except mark himself? | 16:03 |
| ckontros | nysosym: Mark still has final say. AFAIK. kiwwii will pop his head up soon. He's watchin' a basketball game. | 16:05 |
| mac_v | ckontros: nysosym: AFAIK , it was mat working on the xsplash more than kwwii | 16:05 |
| ckontros | mac_v: Sure. I was more commenting on who best to give direct answers. | 16:06 |
| mac_v | yeah | 16:06 |
| mac_v | nysosym: there was a thread on the artwork mailing list regarding the choice , but it was more because they wanted to more away from the color and use new shades | 16:06 |
| mac_v | move away* | 16:06 |
| nysosym | fine, but why still orange as default desktop? | 16:07 |
| mac_v | nysosym: oh... the wallpaper? | 16:08 |
| nysosym | jep | 16:08 |
| mac_v | guess, you cant take out the orange from Ubuntu easily ;p | 16:09 |
| mac_v | nysosym: the main problem i believe is more, they want to change the default colors but havent yet decided which new color to choose | 16:10 |
| ckontros | This is why I point people to kwwii. (no guessing) | 16:11 |
| mac_v | ;p | 16:11 |
| mac_v | ckontros: give the man a rest ... we were all up his ass yesterday too ;0 | 16:11 |
| * ckontros tries to stop his imagination after that last comment. | 16:12 | |
| nysosym | lol | 16:12 |
| mac_v | lol | 16:12 |
| ckontros | mac_v: So which issues did you fix in Breathe? (i'm gonna build it now) | 16:13 |
| mac_v | ckontros: didnt andrew sb just push a release? | 16:13 |
| ckontros | Yeah. Don't know if it's in the archive yet. | 16:14 |
| mac_v | ckontros: i fixed only the 3 bugs , i mentioned.. Add symlink for for nm-no-connection (LP: #429449), drive-*-usb (LP: #253599), and media-flash-* (LP: #417294). bug tracker finds it in the archives > breathe-icon-theme (0.51.1) karmic; urgency=low | 16:17 |
| ckontros | mac_v: So it's an issue beyond us where I see a disconnected connection icon when I use a wired connection? | 16:18 |
| mac_v | ckontros: i didnt understand? why is it beyond us? when the symlnk is added for no-connection that icon will be used when disconnected | 16:19 |
| mac_v | when wireless is disconnected | 16:19 |
| ckontros | Well, I have a connection. A "wired" one. What icon /should/ we see? | 16:19 |
| mac_v | but for wired we need to make a new icon | 16:20 |
| ckontros | I swore we had one. | 16:20 |
| * ckontros looks. | 16:20 | |
| ckontros | What /should/ it be named? | 16:20 |
| * mac_v checks | 16:20 | |
| picklesworth | Is there a particular direction that the light should be coming from with the Humanity set? | 16:22 |
| mac_v | ckontros: /status/network-offline , i havent checked for wired could you check it | 16:22 |
| ckontros | mac_v: Maybe use network-wired? | 16:22 |
| mac_v | ckontros: the 'nm-device-wired' is for the connected state | 16:23 |
| ckontros | mac_v: Looks like we dont have that one. Maybe a link for now. | 16:24 |
| mac_v | ckontros: like to network wired? oh no... there was a bug which forced a change in human theme | 16:24 |
| ckontros | I "wired". ;) | 16:25 |
| ckontros | *I said.. | 16:25 |
| ckontros | mac_v: And shouldn't your icons be used in the panel? The nm-* ones? | 16:25 |
| mac_v | ckontros: Bug #423167 | 16:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 423167 in human-icon-theme "Ethernet icon looks wrong in Default theme" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/423167 | 16:26 |
| ckontros | mac_v: Yeah. That's what I was getting at with the "beyond us" comment | 16:26 |
| mac_v | ;) | 16:26 |
| mac_v | ckontros: i can see the wireless icons being used as they are supposed to to be | 16:26 |
| mac_v | picklesworth: i didnt understand what you meant , light from within? | 16:27 |
| picklesworth | I noticed start-here.svg has light from the top left, but at-prefs and help have light from the top right. | 16:27 |
| ckontros | mac_v: Odd. I switch to other sets and still get the issue. Karmic. Up-to-date. Has the fix hit the repo yet? | 16:29 |
| mac_v | ckontros: i'm using the breathe set from the repo , and it uses the wireless icons nm-* for me , the no-connection update hasnt yet arrived though | 16:30 |
| nysosym | mac_v: did you made the new icons? | 16:30 |
| ckontros | mac_v: Ok. That's why I don't see it. Thanx. | 16:30 |
| mac_v | nysosym: no... not all of them , mostly i started out doing the panel icons and then some icons within the humanity theme , but the Humanity theme was from the elementary theme | 16:31 |
| mac_v | picklesworth: i think the start here was done similar to the human logo ,and the help and stuff, yeah inconsistent lighting ;) | 16:32 |
| nysosym | oh well, i like the panel icons :) | 16:32 |
| ckontros | mac_v: And is the issue fixed w/thumb drives? I have one plugged in here and it just stays the unmounted icon image where it used to look like a mounted drive. | 16:33 |
| mac_v | thanks :) | 16:33 |
| nysosym | but i miss one for the keychain :) | 16:33 |
| mac_v | ckontros: yeah , we dont have different icons for the drives mounted/unmounted...so the both states will look the same | 16:35 |
| picklesworth | mac_v: Hrm... good enough explanation. I guess that icon is small enough, but good to know I'm not just crazy. Thanks :) | 16:35 |
| ckontros | We do. Unless the spec changed. drive-harddisk and drive-removable-media. | 16:36 |
| mac_v | nysosym: doing the icon for the keychain , will make the greyscale icon appear in the windows .. so hence it hasnt been done | 16:36 |
| nysosym | mac_v: ohh ok hope for the next ubuntu version :) | 16:37 |
| mac_v | ckontros: oh that , yeah ... davidz has messed up , gvfs :/ | 16:37 |
| mac_v | he has the drive icons change only for certain disks ! | 16:37 |
| mac_v | ckontros: drive-harddisk will be used for only the internal partitions , the external usb drives will use the drive-harddisk-usb icon , and the removable media not sure where that is used ! | 16:39 |
| ckontros | mac_v: drive-removable-media-* ? | 16:40 |
| ckontros | Seems like we might need more links. :( | 16:40 |
| mac_v | ckontros: drive-removable-media-usb for pendrives | 16:41 |
| ckontros | Damn. Something musta changed. We have: drive-removable-media-usb-pendrive. | 16:41 |
| mac_v | ckontros: drive-removable-media-ieee1394 is for firewire drives thats labelled correctly | 16:41 |
| mac_v | ckontros: i corrected the pendrive by adding a symlink "drive-removable-media-usb" | 16:42 |
| ckontros | We need to link drive-removable-media-usb to gnome-dev-harddisk-usb | 16:43 |
| ckontros | And the pendrive one should be removed. (i think) | 16:44 |
| * ckontros starts hackin'. | 16:44 | |
| mac_v | ckontros: i asked andrew sb about remaning , he said that would mess up the ivon-naming utils | 16:44 |
| mac_v | icon* | 16:44 |
| mac_v | ckontros: hence i just added the symlinks | 16:44 |
| ckontros | mac_v: Which would it mess up? | 16:46 |
| * ckontros looks at the latest spec. | 16:46 | |
| mac_v | ckontros: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=506532#c6 | 16:46 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 506532 in general "icons needed for gvfs" [Normal,New] | 16:46 |
| mac_v | thats the new naming for the drives , the drive-removable-media , seems to be unused | 16:46 |
| ckontros | Blah. And the spec is not updated to reflect. | 16:47 |
| mac_v | ckontros: forwarding andrew sb's mail | 16:47 |
| ckontros | k | 16:47 |
| ckontros | mac_v: So can we keep gnome-dev-harddisk-usb and make a link names drive-removable-media-usb? Humanity does this. | 16:48 |
| mac_v | yeah | 16:48 |
| ckontros | *named | 16:48 |
| mac_v | ckontros: thats what i'v done for breathe too | 16:48 |
| ckontros | I gotta look then because it doesn't work here. | 16:49 |
| mac_v | ckontros: check the .links file | 16:49 |
| mac_v | i added loads of symlinks | 16:49 |
| ckontros | No. You just did it for the pendrive. Where it needs to link to gnome-dev-removable-usb | 16:51 |
| ckontros | I'll edit and test locally. | 16:51 |
| mac_v | ckontros: are you having the latest rev? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~breathe-dev/breathe-icon-set/trunk/revision/128 | 16:53 |
| ckontros | I am. | 16:53 |
| mac_v | ckontros: oh! the gnome-dev-... why do you want to add it? | 16:54 |
| ckontros | Because That's part of my issue here. Here other sets have the links. | 16:54 |
| mac_v | damn! i missed that one | 16:56 |
| ckontros | I'm doing it now. | 16:56 |
| ckontros | mac_v: I understand what Andrew is saying. Something he's uncertain about though. I'll work on this today and hopefully we can eek out 1 more fix. | 17:06 |
| ckontros | Yep. That was it. ;) Ant the "wired" connection thing is out of our hands right? | 17:07 |
| mac_v | ckontros: which was it? | 17:08 |
| mac_v | the wired is out yeah | 17:08 |
| ckontros | Ok. I wan't waste my time then. | 17:08 |
| ckontros | gnome-dev-removable-usb with a link called drive-removable-media-usb | 17:08 |
| mac_v | ckontros: how did you fix the naming for the drives? | 17:08 |
| ckontros | But I think it needs to be the other way around. (as per the spec) | 17:09 |
| mac_v | ckontros: so that now changes the icon when you unmount? | 17:09 |
| ckontros | Hmm... | 17:12 |
| mac_v | well... it doesnt for me :( | 17:12 |
| ckontros | Something's odd. | 17:12 |
| ckontros | I didn't up the change yet. | 17:12 |
| ckontros | USB drives show as such, but are dissappearing when unmounted. | 17:13 |
| ckontros | brb | 17:13 |
| ckontros | mac_v: I do not get 2 different icons for the state the pendrive in in anymore. (ie: Jaunty) But, it does correctly show as a USB drive and not an unmounted drive icon. | 17:19 |
| ckontros | mac_v: But wow. The more I just look at this bug (https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=506532#c6) just, wow. | 17:22 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 506532 in general "icons needed for gvfs" [Normal,New] | 17:22 |
| ckontros | It's WAY more broke down. | 17:22 |
| mac_v | ckontros: the disappearing is because the eject icon now "ejects" the drive completely , right click and select unmount that way the icon will not dissapear and wont change | 17:23 |
| mac_v | ckontros: yeah , davidz broke more stuff just for his own convenience and his ideology! | 17:24 |
| ckontros | /Should/ it? I don't see an icon for that now. Unless it should use the old one. | 17:24 |
| mac_v | ckontros: he doesnt want the icons to change! see the last comments on the bug :/ | 17:25 |
| ckontros | mac_v: I see. I liked that! It told me what state it was in. :( | 17:25 |
| mac_v | ckontros: me too, i totally miss that feature , do comment on the bug ;) | 17:26 |
| ckontros | Like a "Me to!" will get us anywhere. | 17:26 |
| mac_v | ckontros: he seems to think having separate icons for SATA , SCSI and stuff are more useful! than the state change icons :/ | 17:27 |
| ckontros | Well sure. I agree there, but if you unmount the drive using the old unmounted icons for everything seems fine. | 17:27 |
| ckontros | Seems a simple thing. | 17:27 |
| ckontros | But someone needs to update that damn spec. http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html | 17:28 |
| ckontros | Constant moving targets and spotty documentation like this wanna make me stay in windows. :( | 17:29 |
| * mac_v makes me wanna downgrade to intrepid ;) | 17:29 | |
| ckontros | mac_v: I'm *seriously* considering going back to Jaunty. | 17:29 |
| mac_v | ckontros: did you upgrade or d a fresh install of karmic? | 17:30 |
| mac_v | do* | 17:30 |
| ckontros | Fresh install. | 17:30 |
| ckontros | I usually do. Though I've had fine luck on the wifes lappy. | 17:31 |
| mac_v | ckontros: it seems that doing an upgrade to karmic will allow the old icon changes to work... someone said so , but have to test it myself | 17:31 |
| mac_v | this seems to occur due to hal vs gvfs conflicts | 17:31 |
| ckontros | I mean, I like that USB drives show that way now. Just wished we had the unmounted states back. | 17:32 |
| mac_v | ckontros: wishing without commenting on the bug or without convincing davidz is not going to solve anything ;p | 17:33 |
| ckontros | mac_v: I'm gonna push these changes and email Andrew. | 17:33 |
| ckontros | I'll let you guys fight that fight. I have more important personal matters to attend to. | 17:33 |
| mac_v | ckontros: just a sec , what naming did you add? | 17:40 |
| ckontros | ie: usr/share/icons/Breathe/scalable/devices/gnome-dev-removable-usb.svg usr/share/icons/Breathe/scalable/apps/drive-removable-media-usb.svg | 17:41 |
| ckontros | But it should be the other way around. Actual icon should be: drive-removable-media-usb. | 17:41 |
| mac_v | ckontros: usr/share/icons/Breathe/16x16/devices/drive-removable-media-usb-pendrive.png usr/share/icons/Breathe/16x16/apps/drive-removable-media-usb.png | 17:42 |
| mac_v | that icon is for the pendrive | 17:42 |
| ckontros | I wanna tackle that later. | 17:42 |
| mac_v | aw crap! | 17:42 |
| ckontros | That wasn't working here as it showed everything as pendrives. | 17:43 |
| mac_v | ckontros: adding this link link worked for me > usr/share/icons/Breathe/scalable/devices/gnome-dev-removable-usb.svg usr/share/icons/Breathe/scalable/apps/drive-harddisk-usb.svg | 17:43 |
| ckontros | What crap? | 17:43 |
| mac_v | i pasted the wrong line ;) | 17:43 |
| ckontros | And that's what I added to the .links file. | 17:44 |
| mac_v | we both have added contradicting links :/ | 17:45 |
| ckontros | But, the *actual* icon should be "drive-harddisk-usb" and icon-naming-utils makes the "gnome-dev-removable-usb" link. If the utils package is up-to-date. | 17:46 |
| ckontros | I commented out your pendrive one. | 17:46 |
| mac_v | hmm... no sure how that works for me the pendrive link works for the pendrive like a sony vault and the hardisk-usb worked for a western digital drive | 17:47 |
| mac_v | that works.... for me* | 17:47 |
| ckontros | Well we have an actual pendrive icon. So that should work fine. And my addition should fix the rest. | 17:48 |
| ckontros | But hell. I don't see a pendrive mentioned in the spec. :( | 17:48 |
| ckontros | Geeze this is maddening. Damn moving target. | 17:49 |
| ckontros | Pendrive isn't even mentioned here: http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html | 17:50 |
| ckontros | mac_v: In the end, I'll get as much info on this as I can and rework trunk to reflect these changes. | 17:52 |
| mac_v | ok... i'm a bit confused about what links you'v added .... from what i'v tested... pendrive uses > /drive-removable-media-usb , the usb external drives use > /gnome-dev-harddisk-usb.svg | 17:53 |
| mac_v | ckontros: ^ | 17:53 |
| ckontros | mac_v: What rev are you looking at? | 17:54 |
| mac_v | ckontros: not rev any rev in particular... but in general .. from testing ... since these were the icons used i made the symlinks accordingly | 17:55 |
| * mac_v links i'm blabbering ... cd bed | 17:56 | |
| mac_v | think* | 17:56 |
| ckontros | Hmm... I have to test something. | 17:59 |
| mac_v | ckontros: the new update just arrived , and the links i made are working correctly.. ie pendrive uses > /drive-removable-media-usb , the usb external drives use > /gnome-dev-harddisk-usb.svg | 18:00 |
| mac_v | the other symlink i have for the usb external drive is drive-harddisk-usb from gnome-dev-harddisk-usb | 18:03 |
| ckontros | I'm seeing that. I mighta messed up. | 18:05 |
| ckontros | I'll revert the branch in a sec. | 18:06 |
| troy_s | ckontros: Greets. | 18:07 |
| ckontros | yo yo | 18:07 |
| mac_v | ckontros: another thing! when i uninstalled breathe and installed again... the symlinks are not being created ... why is that? | 18:08 |
| ckontros | Don't know. I'm gettin' the update now. (damn archive is slow) | 18:08 |
| mac_v | symlinks from the .links file are not being created* | 18:08 |
| ckontros | mac_v: Which ones? | 18:11 |
| troy_s | ckontros: Has there been movement in -rt or something? | 18:12 |
| troy_s | ckontros: I see much chatter about it. | 18:12 |
| ckontros | troy_s: Other channel. | 18:12 |
| mac_v | ckontros: oh ,they are created... but i messed up! i created the links to the apps folder!;( but the icons work though ;p | 18:13 |
| ckontros | mac_v: Doh! I'll fix that up now. | 18:14 |
| mac_v | ckontros: but how are they working? even when i the apps folder? doesnt the folder location matter ...? [not that it shouldnt be fixed] | 18:16 |
| mac_v | when it is in * | 18:16 |
| ckontros | mac_v: I think it doesn't matter. Looks for them anywhere. If you look at the Humanity structure, it's totally different than other sets. I changed apps->devices. Anything else I should do before I commit? | 18:17 |
| mac_v | ckontros: i think if you do a minor edit we can have the generic flash icon | 18:18 |
| ckontros | media-flash? | 18:19 |
| mac_v | yeah | 18:19 |
| ckontros | What do you need? What's not right?? | 18:19 |
| ckontros | (sorry for the "??") | 18:19 |
| mac_v | ckontros: the media-flash icon is now a chip , which seems wrong... the memory stick icon can be used instead .. remove the labels from the memory stick icon and rotate it 90degrees and we can have a generic media-flash icon | 18:21 |
| mac_v | well , its for a quick edit ;p ... but if you have time you can add more details ;) | 18:23 |
| ckontros | Well that's why it's a chip. :) REAL generic. I'll leave this one for now as it's an aesthetic design choice I'll run by Sebastian 1st. | 18:23 |
| mac_v | ckontros: lol ... ok ... then nothing more i can see that needs an edit | 18:24 |
| ckontros | mac_v: Changes pushed. | 18:24 |
| ckontros | bbl | 18:32 |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.7 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!
