[02:20] <dashua> kwwii, Any chance of deprecating Human-Clearlooks and renaming to Human-Legacy or something and base it on psyke83's original Humanity?
[11:11] <nysosym> hi there
[11:11] <nysosym> congrats for the new ubuntu design
[12:07] <kwwii> dashua: not for this cycle, but very likely in the future
[12:33] <nysosym> hi kwwii :)
[12:33] <nysosym> what was the question from dashua?
[13:44]  * ckontros waves
[15:16] <darkham> some artwork change until the 29?
[15:57] <nysosym> hi there, what was the reason to choose the dark xsplash and gdm theme?
[15:57] <nysosym> i like this ones to..
[15:57] <nysosym> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/27033/mrdoob_ubuntu910_boot08_03_t8gGuK.png
[15:57] <nysosym> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/27032/mrdoob_ubuntu910_boot08_02_2UH3C5.png
[15:57] <nysosym> this matches the default wallpaper much better
[15:59] <ckontros> nysosym: kwwii might be able to tell you as he's the only one who works @ Canonical and this is a channel for community art.
[16:01] <nysosym> a well, but is there an official art channel?
[16:02] <ckontros> Not really. Mostly a closed team. Closest thing is #ubuntu-desktop. kwwii is the guy to talk to though. (but even he doesn't make the art decisions)
[16:03] <nysosym> is there a new art director except mark himself?
[16:05] <ckontros> nysosym: Mark still has final say. AFAIK. kiwwii will pop his head up soon. He's watchin' a basketball game.
[16:05] <mac_v> ckontros: nysosym: AFAIK , it was mat working on the xsplash more than kwwii
[16:06] <ckontros> mac_v: Sure. I was more commenting on who best to give direct answers.
[16:06] <mac_v> yeah
[16:06] <mac_v> nysosym: there was a thread on the artwork mailing list regarding the choice , but it was more because they wanted to more away from the color and use new shades
[16:06] <mac_v> move away*
[16:07] <nysosym> fine, but why still orange as default desktop?
[16:08] <mac_v> nysosym: oh... the wallpaper?
[16:08] <nysosym> jep
[16:09] <mac_v>  guess, you cant take out the orange from Ubuntu easily ;p
[16:10] <mac_v> nysosym: the main problem i believe is more, they want to change the default colors but havent yet decided which new color to choose
[16:11] <ckontros> This is why I point people to kwwii. (no guessing)
[16:11] <mac_v>  ;p
[16:11] <mac_v> ckontros: give the man a rest ... we were all up his ass yesterday too ;0
[16:12]  * ckontros tries to stop his imagination after that last comment.
[16:12] <nysosym> lol
[16:12] <mac_v> lol
[16:13] <ckontros> mac_v: So which issues did you fix in Breathe? (i'm gonna build it now)
[16:13] <mac_v> ckontros: didnt andrew sb just push a release?
[16:14] <ckontros> Yeah. Don't know if it's in the archive yet.
[16:17] <mac_v> ckontros: i fixed only the 3 bugs , i mentioned.. Add symlink for for nm-no-connection (LP: #429449),  drive-*-usb (LP: #253599), and media-flash-* (LP: #417294).   bug tracker finds it in the archives > breathe-icon-theme (0.51.1) karmic; urgency=low
[16:18] <ckontros> mac_v: So it's an issue beyond us where I see a disconnected connection icon when I use a wired connection?
[16:19] <mac_v> ckontros: i didnt understand? why is it beyond us? when the symlnk is added for no-connection that icon will be used when disconnected
[16:19] <mac_v> when wireless is disconnected
[16:19] <ckontros> Well, I have a connection. A "wired" one. What icon /should/ we see?
[16:20] <mac_v> but for wired we need to make a new icon
[16:20] <ckontros> I swore we had one.
[16:20]  * ckontros looks.
[16:20] <ckontros> What /should/ it be named?
[16:20]  * mac_v checks
[16:22] <picklesworth> Is there a particular direction that the light should be coming from with the Humanity set?
[16:22] <mac_v> ckontros: /status/network-offline , i havent checked for wired could you check it
[16:22] <ckontros> mac_v: Maybe use network-wired?
[16:23] <mac_v> ckontros: the 'nm-device-wired' is for the connected state
[16:24] <ckontros> mac_v: Looks like we dont have that one. Maybe a link for now.
[16:24] <mac_v> ckontros: like to network wired? oh no... there was a bug which forced a change in human theme
[16:25] <ckontros> I "wired". ;)
[16:25] <ckontros> *I said..
[16:25] <ckontros> mac_v: And shouldn't your icons be used in the panel? The nm-* ones?
[16:26] <mac_v> ckontros: Bug #423167
[16:26] <ckontros> mac_v: Yeah. That's what I was getting at with the  "beyond us" comment
[16:26] <mac_v> ;)
[16:26] <mac_v> ckontros: i can see the wireless icons being used as they are supposed to to be
[16:27] <mac_v> picklesworth: i didnt understand what you meant , light from within?
[16:27] <picklesworth> I noticed start-here.svg has light from the top left, but at-prefs and help have light from the top right.
[16:29] <ckontros> mac_v: Odd. I switch to other sets and still get the issue. Karmic. Up-to-date. Has the fix hit the repo yet?
[16:30] <mac_v> ckontros: i'm using the breathe set from the repo , and it uses the wireless icons nm-* for me , the no-connection update hasnt yet arrived though
[16:30] <nysosym> mac_v: did you made the new icons?
[16:30] <ckontros> mac_v: Ok. That's why I don't see it. Thanx.
[16:31] <mac_v> nysosym: no... not all of them , mostly i started out doing the panel icons and then some icons within the humanity theme , but the Humanity theme was from the elementary theme
[16:32] <mac_v> picklesworth: i think the start here was done similar to the human logo ,and the help and stuff, yeah inconsistent lighting ;)
[16:32] <nysosym> oh well, i like the panel icons :)
[16:33] <ckontros> mac_v: And is the issue fixed w/thumb drives? I have one plugged in here and it just stays the unmounted icon image where it used to look like a mounted drive.
[16:33] <mac_v> thanks :)
[16:33] <nysosym> but i miss one for the keychain :)
[16:35] <mac_v> ckontros: yeah , we dont have different icons for the drives mounted/unmounted...so the both states will look the same
[16:35] <picklesworth> mac_v: Hrm... good enough explanation. I guess that icon is small enough, but good to know I'm not just crazy. Thanks :)
[16:36] <ckontros> We do. Unless the spec changed. drive-harddisk and drive-removable-media.
[16:36] <mac_v> nysosym: doing the icon for the keychain , will make the greyscale icon appear in the windows .. so hence it hasnt been done
[16:37] <nysosym> mac_v: ohh ok hope for the next ubuntu version :)
[16:37] <mac_v> ckontros: oh that  , yeah ... davidz has messed up , gvfs :/
[16:37] <mac_v> he has the drive icons change only for certain disks !
[16:39] <mac_v> ckontros: drive-harddisk will be used for only the internal partitions , the external usb drives will use the drive-harddisk-usb icon , and the removable media not sure where that is used !
[16:40] <ckontros> mac_v: drive-removable-media-* ?
[16:40] <ckontros> Seems like we might need more links. :(
[16:41] <mac_v> ckontros:  drive-removable-media-usb for pendrives
[16:41] <ckontros> Damn. Something musta changed. We have: drive-removable-media-usb-pendrive.
[16:41] <mac_v> ckontros: drive-removable-media-ieee1394 is for firewire drives thats labelled correctly
[16:42] <mac_v> ckontros:  i corrected the pendrive by adding a symlink "drive-removable-media-usb"
[16:43] <ckontros> We need to link drive-removable-media-usb to gnome-dev-harddisk-usb
[16:44] <ckontros> And the pendrive one should be removed. (i think)
[16:44]  * ckontros starts hackin'.
[16:44] <mac_v> ckontros: i asked andrew sb about remaning , he said that would mess up the ivon-naming utils
[16:44] <mac_v> icon*
[16:44] <mac_v> ckontros: hence i just added the symlinks
[16:46] <ckontros> mac_v: Which would it mess up?
[16:46]  * ckontros looks at the latest spec.
[16:46] <mac_v> ckontros: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=506532#c6
[16:46] <mac_v> thats the new naming for the drives , the drive-removable-media , seems to be unused
[16:47] <ckontros> Blah. And the spec is not updated to reflect.
[16:47] <mac_v> ckontros: forwarding andrew sb's mail
[16:47] <ckontros> k
[16:48] <ckontros> mac_v: So can we keep gnome-dev-harddisk-usb and make a link names drive-removable-media-usb? Humanity does this.
[16:48] <mac_v> yeah
[16:48] <ckontros> *named
[16:48] <mac_v> ckontros: thats what i'v done for breathe too
[16:49] <ckontros> I gotta look then because it doesn't work here.
[16:49] <mac_v> ckontros: check the .links file
[16:49] <mac_v> i added loads of symlinks
[16:51] <ckontros> No. You just did it for the pendrive. Where it needs to link to gnome-dev-removable-usb
[16:51] <ckontros> I'll edit and test locally.
[16:53] <mac_v> ckontros: are you having the latest rev? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~breathe-dev/breathe-icon-set/trunk/revision/128
[16:53] <ckontros> I am.
[16:54] <mac_v> ckontros: oh! the gnome-dev-... why do you want to add it?
[16:54] <ckontros> Because That's part of my issue here. Here other sets have the links.
[16:56] <mac_v> damn! i missed that one
[16:56] <ckontros> I'm doing it now.
[17:06] <ckontros> mac_v: I understand what Andrew is saying. Something he's uncertain about though. I'll work on this today and hopefully we can eek out 1 more fix.
[17:07] <ckontros> Yep. That was it. ;) Ant the "wired" connection thing is out of our hands right?
[17:08] <mac_v> ckontros: which was it?
[17:08] <mac_v> the wired is out yeah
[17:08] <ckontros> Ok. I wan't waste my time then.
[17:08] <ckontros> gnome-dev-removable-usb with a link called drive-removable-media-usb
[17:08] <mac_v> ckontros: how did you fix the naming for the drives?
[17:09] <ckontros> But I think it needs to be the other way around. (as per the spec)
[17:09] <mac_v> ckontros: so that now changes the icon when you unmount?
[17:12] <ckontros> Hmm...
[17:12] <mac_v> well... it doesnt for me :(
[17:12] <ckontros> Something's odd.
[17:12] <ckontros> I didn't up the change yet.
[17:13] <ckontros> USB drives show as such, but are dissappearing when unmounted.
[17:13] <ckontros> brb
[17:19] <ckontros> mac_v: I do not get 2 different icons for the state the pendrive in in anymore. (ie: Jaunty) But, it does correctly show as a USB drive and not an unmounted drive icon.
[17:22] <ckontros> mac_v: But wow. The more I just look at this bug (https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=506532#c6) just, wow.
[17:22] <ckontros> It's WAY more broke down.
[17:23] <mac_v> ckontros: the disappearing is because the eject icon now "ejects" the drive completely , right click and select unmount that way the icon will not dissapear and wont change
[17:24] <mac_v> ckontros: yeah , davidz broke more stuff just for his own convenience and his ideology!
[17:24] <ckontros>  /Should/ it? I don't see an icon for that now. Unless it should use the old one.
[17:25] <mac_v> ckontros: he doesnt want the icons to change! see the last comments on the bug :/
[17:25] <ckontros> mac_v: I see. I liked that! It told me what state it was in. :(
[17:26] <mac_v> ckontros: me too, i totally miss that feature , do comment on the bug ;)
[17:26] <ckontros> Like a "Me to!" will get us anywhere.
[17:27] <mac_v> ckontros: he seems to think having separate icons for SATA , SCSI and stuff are more useful! than the state change icons :/
[17:27] <ckontros> Well sure. I agree there, but if you unmount the drive using the old unmounted icons for everything seems fine.
[17:27] <ckontros> Seems a simple thing.
[17:28] <ckontros> But someone needs to update that damn spec. http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html
[17:29] <ckontros> Constant moving targets and spotty documentation like this wanna make me stay in windows. :(
[17:29]  * mac_v makes me wanna downgrade to intrepid ;)
[17:29] <ckontros> mac_v: I'm *seriously* considering going back to Jaunty.
[17:30] <mac_v> ckontros: did you upgrade or d a fresh install of karmic?
[17:30] <mac_v> do*
[17:30] <ckontros> Fresh install.
[17:31] <ckontros> I usually do. Though I've had fine luck on the wifes lappy.
[17:31] <mac_v> ckontros:  it seems that doing an upgrade to karmic will allow the old icon changes to work... someone said so , but have to test it myself
[17:31] <mac_v> this seems to occur due to hal vs gvfs conflicts
[17:32] <ckontros> I mean, I like that USB drives show that way now. Just wished we had the unmounted states back.
[17:33] <mac_v> ckontros: wishing without commenting on the bug or without convincing davidz is not going to solve anything ;p
[17:33] <ckontros> mac_v: I'm gonna push these changes and email Andrew.
[17:33] <ckontros> I'll let you guys fight that fight. I have more important personal matters to attend to.
[17:40] <mac_v> ckontros: just a sec , what naming did you add?
[17:41] <ckontros> ie: usr/share/icons/Breathe/scalable/devices/gnome-dev-removable-usb.svg usr/share/icons/Breathe/scalable/apps/drive-removable-media-usb.svg
[17:41] <ckontros> But it should be the other way around. Actual icon should be: drive-removable-media-usb.
[17:42] <mac_v> ckontros: usr/share/icons/Breathe/16x16/devices/drive-removable-media-usb-pendrive.png usr/share/icons/Breathe/16x16/apps/drive-removable-media-usb.png
[17:42] <mac_v> that icon is for the pendrive
[17:42] <ckontros> I wanna tackle that later.
[17:42] <mac_v> aw crap!
[17:43] <ckontros> That wasn't working here as it showed everything as pendrives.
[17:43] <mac_v> ckontros: adding this link link worked for me > usr/share/icons/Breathe/scalable/devices/gnome-dev-removable-usb.svg usr/share/icons/Breathe/scalable/apps/drive-harddisk-usb.svg
[17:43] <ckontros> What crap?
[17:43] <mac_v> i pasted the wrong line ;)
[17:44] <ckontros> And that's what I added to the .links file.
[17:45] <mac_v> we both have added contradicting links :/
[17:46] <ckontros> But, the *actual* icon should be "drive-harddisk-usb" and icon-naming-utils makes the "gnome-dev-removable-usb" link. If the utils package is up-to-date.
[17:46] <ckontros> I commented out your pendrive one.
[17:47] <mac_v> hmm... no sure how that works for me the pendrive link works for the pendrive like a sony vault and the hardisk-usb worked for a western digital drive
[17:47] <mac_v> that works.... for me*
[17:48] <ckontros> Well we have an actual pendrive icon. So that should work fine. And my addition should fix the rest.
[17:48] <ckontros> But hell. I don't see a pendrive mentioned in the spec. :(
[17:49] <ckontros> Geeze this is maddening. Damn moving target.
[17:50] <ckontros> Pendrive isn't even mentioned here: http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html
[17:52] <ckontros> mac_v: In the end, I'll get as much info on this as I can and rework trunk to reflect these changes.
[17:53] <mac_v> ok... i'm a bit confused about what links you'v added .... from what i'v tested... pendrive uses > /drive-removable-media-usb  , the usb external drives use > /gnome-dev-harddisk-usb.svg
[17:53] <mac_v> ckontros: ^
[17:54] <ckontros> mac_v: What rev are you looking at?
[17:55] <mac_v> ckontros: not rev any rev in particular... but in general .. from testing ... since these were the icons used i made the symlinks accordingly
[17:56]  * mac_v links i'm blabbering ... cd bed 
[17:56] <mac_v> think*
[17:59] <ckontros> Hmm... I have to test something.
[18:00] <mac_v> ckontros: the new update just arrived , and the links i made are working correctly.. ie  pendrive uses > /drive-removable-media-usb  , the usb external drives use > /gnome-dev-harddisk-usb.svg
[18:03] <mac_v> the other symlink i have for the usb external drive is drive-harddisk-usb from gnome-dev-harddisk-usb
[18:05] <ckontros> I'm seeing that. I mighta messed up.
[18:06] <ckontros> I'll revert the branch in a sec.
[18:07] <troy_s> ckontros: Greets.
[18:07] <ckontros> yo yo
[18:08] <mac_v> ckontros: another thing! when i uninstalled breathe and installed again... the symlinks are not being created ... why is that?
[18:08] <ckontros> Don't know. I'm gettin' the update now. (damn archive is slow)
[18:08] <mac_v> symlinks from the .links file are not being created*
[18:11] <ckontros> mac_v: Which ones?
[18:12] <troy_s> ckontros: Has there been movement in -rt or something?
[18:12] <troy_s> ckontros: I see much chatter about it.
[18:12] <ckontros> troy_s: Other channel.
[18:13] <mac_v> ckontros: oh ,they are created... but i messed up! i created the links to the apps folder!;( but the icons work though ;p
[18:14] <ckontros> mac_v: Doh! I'll fix that up now.
[18:16] <mac_v> ckontros: but how are they working? even when i the apps folder? doesnt the folder location matter ...? [not that it shouldnt be fixed]
[18:16] <mac_v> when it is in *
[18:17] <ckontros> mac_v: I think it doesn't matter. Looks for them anywhere. If you look at the Humanity structure, it's totally different than other sets. I changed apps->devices. Anything else I should do before I commit?
[18:18] <mac_v> ckontros: i think if you do a minor edit we can have the generic flash icon
[18:19] <ckontros> media-flash?
[18:19] <mac_v> yeah
[18:19] <ckontros> What do you need? What's not right??
[18:19] <ckontros> (sorry for the "??")
[18:21] <mac_v> ckontros: the media-flash icon is now a chip , which seems wrong... the memory stick icon can be used instead .. remove the labels from the memory stick icon and rotate it 90degrees and we can have a generic media-flash icon
[18:23] <mac_v> well , its for a quick edit ;p ... but if you have time you can add more details ;)
[18:23] <ckontros> Well that's why it's a chip. :) REAL generic. I'll leave this one for now as it's an aesthetic design choice I'll run by Sebastian 1st.
[18:24] <mac_v> ckontros: lol ... ok ... then nothing more i can see that needs an edit
[18:24] <ckontros> mac_v: Changes pushed.
[18:32] <ckontros> bbl