| === Saj0577_ is now known as Saj0577 | ||
| fagan | mdke: you around? | 16:30 |
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| fagan | Anyone want to help for a minute, im trying to close a few bugs. Im starting with Bug #442097 | 16:33 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 442097 in ubuntu-docs "IE6 in Windows document" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/442097 | 16:33 |
| fagan | Should I make a section for IE6 and another for IE7 and 8? | 16:34 |
| fagan | The only difference is how to open the import/export favourites and the name of a few buttons | 16:35 |
| fagan | I drafted up a version with a different section for IE7/8 but it looks a bit redundant because its very similar | 16:37 |
| Rocket2DMn | fagan, is that the mateiral in the "Web browser bookmarks" section? | 16:39 |
| fagan | Let me check | 16:40 |
| Rocket2DMn | lists IE, Firefox, and Opera | 16:40 |
| fagan | But its out of date | 16:40 |
| fagan | Its for IE6 | 16:41 |
| Rocket2DMn | I think it's probably easiest and more user friendly to just have 3 differnet subsections for the different IE versions | 16:41 |
| fagan | Well IE7 and 8 are the same | 16:41 |
| Rocket2DMn | oh, ok, then just 2 sections | 16:42 |
| fagan | 6 is the problem but people still use it | 16:42 |
| Rocket2DMn | maybe include a line at the top to explain how to check which version they are using | 16:42 |
| fagan | Hmmm id just delete the IE6 stuff and just have IE7/8 | 16:44 |
| Rocket2DMn | The material is already there for IE6, I don't see any reason to remove it, it is still a fairly common browser unfortunately | 16:44 |
| Rocket2DMn | if you were writing this from scratch, i might say don't bother with it, but again, the documentaiton is already there | 16:45 |
| fagan | I wrote it up already with both but really they arent too different. Its just where to find it and instead of finish they changed it to export. | 16:46 |
| fagan | Ill just submit the patch with both | 16:47 |
| Rocket2DMn | ok | 16:47 |
| pcutler|out | fagan: I'd delete the IE6 stuff as it is no longer officially supported by Microsoft | 16:53 |
| === pcutler|out is now known as pcutler | ||
| fagan | pcutler: Actually microsoft said about a month ago they would support it till 2011 | 16:54 |
| pcutler | darn them :/ | 16:54 |
| fagan | Pissed most web devs off | 16:54 |
| fagan | Any commiters around? I have a fix for a typo | 16:57 |
| fagan | Would it be too late for a string freeze exception? | 16:58 |
| fagan | gtg ill mail the list about it | 16:59 |
| XiXaQ | setting up networked printing was very, very difficult when following help.ubuntu.com. In the end, it proved to be really easy. | 17:30 |
| XiXaQ | the help seems to assume that Ubuntu is being used as a slave system in a Windows environment. It only mentions how to configure a client to use a printer when it's shared by a Windows Server. | 17:31 |
| === Zachk18 is now known as Sub_Zero | ||
| fagan | Hmmm strange https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications shouldnt players that play both music and video be considered media players? | 18:58 |
| fagan | And banshee should be moved because it plays videos and music | 18:58 |
| fagan | Why is Flash mentioned there? | 18:59 |
| fagan | Very strange | 19:00 |
| fagan | mdke: *ping* | 19:01 |
| mdke | fagan: *pong* | 20:35 |
| Zachk18 | i'm on the doc-contributors team on lp by the way | 20:57 |
| mdke | fagan: I'm not sure I agree - I think it's helpful to have a section for video | 20:57 |
| Zachk18 | mdke, thank you! | 20:57 |
| mdke | fagan: I know it's slightly confusing that some players can do both, but that can still be noted, and most of them have a "default" function (totem = video, banshee = audio etc) | 20:58 |
| fagan | mdke: But the problem I see with that is that they dont just do video. | 20:58 |
| Zachk18 | most of them do | 20:58 |
| fagan | Banshee does both | 20:58 |
| Zachk18 | there are few that do both | 20:58 |
| mdke | fagan: why is that a problem? | 20:58 |
| fagan | I just think to be politicly correct media players is better | 20:59 |
| Zachk18 | media players will confuse people | 20:59 |
| Zachk18 | i can assure you of that | 20:59 |
| mdke | fagan: we need to think about what the majority of the users will understand and look for, political correctness doesn't matter too much | 21:00 |
| Saj0577_ | Zachk18: it would not as most other players are called media players take windows for an example so people are use to the terminology | 21:00 |
| mdke | I think that distinguishing between applications whose main function is audio and video is still sensible at the moment | 21:00 |
| mdke | some applications could certainly appear in more than one section | 21:01 |
| fagan | I just thought it needed to be mentioned. | 21:01 |
| mdke | sure | 21:01 |
| Saj0577_ | what about just having a note saying some do both and have a page that lists the ones that do both? | 21:01 |
| fagan | Banshee should at least get a mention as a video player | 21:01 |
| mdke | I don't have a problem with mentioning banshee as a video player | 21:02 |
| fagan | Cool | 21:02 |
| Zachk18 | so...i'm looking to get more active with the doc/wiki team | 21:02 |
| Zachk18 | not that is what we're talking about but i figured i'd mention it | 21:03 |
| mdke | Zachk18: the great thing about the wiki is that it gives plenty of scope for jumping in and being active :) | 21:03 |
| Zachk18 | mdke, well i've done some editing and i'm currently working on a blog with a friend and the udsf | 21:04 |
| fagan | Zachk18: check out https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/ too | 21:04 |
| Zachk18 | launchpad is so slow right now | 21:04 |
| Zachk18 | who runs the doc team? | 21:05 |
| mdke | no one | 21:05 |
| Saj0577_ | Zachk18: look at the last word you wrote in that question :) | 21:05 |
| Zachk18 | Saj0577, yeah...team | 21:06 |
| fagan | Zachk18: Its a democracy | 21:06 |
| * Zachk18 concedes to fagan | 21:06 | |
| mdke | well, not a democracy. a meritocracy :) | 21:06 |
| mdke | as with most of Ubuntu | 21:06 |
| mdke | we have a structure which you can find at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Organization | 21:06 |
| fagan | True | 21:06 |
| Zachk18 | mdke, i know that page. | 21:06 |
| fagan | mdke: Could you look at my fix for a typo Bug #447250 | 21:07 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 447250 in ubuntu-docs "Missing 'r' in 'your' in scanner text" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/447250 | 21:07 |
| Zachk18 | i'm on the https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-doc-contributors team | 21:07 |
| fagan | It just adds a letter so id say its safe for the string freeze exception | 21:07 |
| mdke | I think it's too late for further string changes at this stage, I'm afraid | 21:08 |
| fagan | Ah we really need to pick up on typos earlier | 21:08 |
| mdke | changing just one letter means that the whole string needs to be retranslated in each language | 21:09 |
| mdke | yeah, we definitely do | 21:09 |
| mdke | we'll look at that closely for the next release, hopefully have an earlier proof reading period | 21:09 |
| mdke | but we'll get the fix into the lucid branch once it opens | 21:09 |
| mdke | thanks for working on it | 21:09 |
| fagan | Ill try work through the bug list before lucid begins | 21:10 |
| fagan | Oh while your here whats your opinion on Bug #442097 | 21:11 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 442097 in ubuntu-docs "IE6 in Windows document" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/442097 | 21:11 |
| fagan | IE6 and IE7/8 have two very similar processes just the location is different | 21:12 |
| fagan | I submitted a patch that adds a section with IE7/8 but its very similar | 21:12 |
| mdke | if the steps are very similar, I'd tend to try and have a single section which works for both | 21:13 |
| mdke | users don't normally need to be walked through exactly which buttons to click word for word, it's enough that the instructions are clear in the context of the UI | 21:14 |
| mdke | but I think the idea is that this particular document will be retired for Lucid | 21:14 |
| mdke | and be replaced by the new installation guide | 21:14 |
| fagan | that would make sense | 21:14 |
| mdke | so I would say let's wait and see on that one | 21:15 |
| fagan | Yep ill get another bug to work on in the meantime | 21:15 |
| mdke | good stuff | 21:16 |
| * mdke tries to figure out why his live usb isn't persistent :( | 21:17 | |
| Rocket2DMn | hey guys | 21:18 |
| mdke | ah, hi Rocket2DMn | 21:18 |
| fagan | hey Rocket2DMn | 21:18 |
| Rocket2DMn | what did you decide with your patch fagan , gonna keep IE6 support? | 21:18 |
| fagan | I was just talking with mdke and he said I should wait till lucid because that doc may be dropped in favor of the installation guide | 21:19 |
| fagan | So ill just wait and if its needed ill fix it up | 21:20 |
| Rocket2DMn | cool | 21:20 |
| === nixternal_ is now known as nixternal | ||
| fagan | Did we include any docs about Grub2? | 21:23 |
| fagan | I wouldnt think we would need any | 21:24 |
| fagan | Ooh I just found something out of date. | 21:27 |
| === starcraftman is now known as starcraft | ||
| mdke | hi starcraftman | 21:37 |
| starcraftman | hail mdke, sorry if you and rocket were talking in here. Was on an alt machine. I really need a way to sync my buffers and channels. | 21:38 |
| mdke | nope, you didn't miss anything | 21:39 |
| mdke | he's been telling me that you've been doing lots of goodwork on the wiki though | 21:39 |
| starcraftman | Oh, well ok then. Hehe, I do what I can, more of an IRC guy than mail list. Done a nice big pass over backup sections, still trying to fix up formatting and make it all work nice. | 21:40 |
| * fagan hates finding missing docs while in string freeze | 21:41 | |
| mdke | he'd like to get you into the ~ubuntu-doc-wiki-admins team to help out with some of the maintenance issues with the wiki, page moving etc | 21:41 |
| mdke | I'm up for it if you are :) | 21:41 |
| mdke | the key requirements are to understand the tag system (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag) and the page deletion/moving issues (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide/DeletingAndRenaming) | 21:42 |
| starcraftman | mdke: Aye, he just told me about that. Suppose would be nice to have power, mwa... oh, I'll be good. | 21:42 |
| mdke | heh | 21:42 |
| starcraftman | Right, I think I already read this up a while ago when I was prepping a few old pages and cleaning tags for deletion. Important thing is to delink before deltion/move else ya end up with broken links can't be tracked right? | 21:44 |
| mdke | starcraftman: would you fancy sending an email to the mailing list with an application to join the team? The things that the email should include are set out here - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Organization | 21:44 |
| fagan | Any docs meetings during the UDS (Its going to be my first :) ) | 21:44 |
| mdke | starcraftman: exactly, yes. Basically to search for links to pages which you are moving or deleting, and use redirects if necessary (or fix the links) | 21:44 |
| Saj0577_ | mdke: do many people get refused?lol | 21:45 |
| mdke | Saj0577_: I don't know, Rocket2DMn is the first person to have gone through the process (it's quite new). But the key thing is to demonstrate significant contribution to the help wiki, to demonstrate familiarity with our processes | 21:46 |
| mdke | if that's the case, I don't see any reason why not | 21:46 |
| Saj0577_ | mdke: i mean for the normal wiki and system teams. (because i understand you go through a vote before become member.make sense/ | 21:47 |
| mdke | Saj0577_: the process applies to the wiki admins and system doc committers teams, the contributors team is open for all without any discussion | 21:47 |
| starcraftman | mdke: sure thing, Hmmm, I'll whip something up slightly more serious. Track most of my contributions on my homepage, that sufficient, or ya want to embed in the email links to my main pages? | 21:47 |
| mdke | starcraftman: whatever you find most convenient, I'd say | 21:48 |
| fagan | saj0577: You can still submit patches ive been doing that for a while. | 21:48 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn's recommendation carries quite a bit of weight :) | 21:48 |
| Saj0577_ | fagan: yeah i have been working on it. | 21:48 |
| * mdke is loving all the new contributors | 21:48 | |
| starcraftman | mdke: hehe, I'm flattered. I just do what I can :) | 21:48 |
| mdke | good stuff | 21:49 |
| * fagan has been submitting patches since the end of jaunty | 21:49 | |
| fagan | I love just fixing bugs | 21:49 |
| mdke | we love fixing the bugs :) | 21:49 |
| starcraftman | mdke: there a vote at a meeting after application? | 21:50 |
| Saj0577_ | i like doing doc work just sometimes get layout wrong | 21:50 |
| mdke | starcraftman: not a vote, just a discussion on the mailing list | 21:50 |
| mdke | that reminds me, we haven't added Rocket2DMn to ~ubuntu-core-doc yet | 21:50 |
| * mdke attends to it | 21:50 | |
| starcraftman | mdke: k. | 21:51 |
| Saj0577_ | Is the process to the documentation committers similar ? | 21:51 |
| mdke | Saj0577_: it's all here - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Organization | 21:51 |
| Saj0577_ | mdke: yeah im reading it atm just checking. | 21:52 |
| mdke | cool | 21:52 |
| fagan | saj0577 are you familiar with bazaar ? | 21:53 |
| Saj0577_ | fagan: thats what i was just going to say there. i am rubbish with the whole lp bazaar thing never understoof it fully no matter how many guides i read | 21:53 |
| fagan | branch is to get. pull is to get changes. diff is to show what you have done. | 21:54 |
| fagan | Thats all you really need for the moment saj0577 | 21:54 |
| Saj0577_ | fagan: so to check something how do you know what to pull though? | 21:55 |
| fagan | cd <directory of the branch> | 21:55 |
| fagan | bzr pull | 21:55 |
| fagan | in terminal | 21:55 |
| Saj0577_ | fagan: but like how can you cd to it if not coonected. i get real confused lol | 21:56 |
| * Rocket2DMn hates CSS | 21:57 | |
| fagan | saj0577 you need to branch first. Pull is just to update | 21:57 |
| fagan | bzr branch lp:ubuntu-docs | 21:57 |
| Saj0577_ | Rocket2DMn: what you having trouble with? | 21:57 |
| Saj0577_ | fagan: hang on going to try now | 21:57 |
| Rocket2DMn | Saj0577, a website i maintain for a friend's company, it isnt working with IE8 | 21:58 |
| Saj0577_ | so right atm i dont even have bazaar installed. | 21:58 |
| Saj0577_ | Rocket2DMn: you found which part is causing the problem? | 21:58 |
| Rocket2DMn | yeah Saj0577 , i know where the problem is, it's just a matter of getting IE and FF to agree | 21:59 |
| fagan | Rocket2DMn: IE doesnt exactly follow standards. Have you tried using safari or chrome? | 21:59 |
| fagan | Microsoft are very bad at browsers | 22:00 |
| Rocket2DMn | fagan, i know, but it needs to work with IE | 22:00 |
| fagan | Ah yeah it is the most used browser even if its horrible | 22:00 |
| fagan | The reason why I said try using safari or chrome too is just to test it out | 22:01 |
| * fagan thinks webkit is excellent | 22:02 | |
| Rocket2DMn | it works OK in FF and others | 22:03 |
| Saj0577_ | fagan: whats name of the whole branch? | 22:03 |
| fagan | lp:ubuntu-docs | 22:03 |
| Saj0577_ | its downloading the branch now | 22:04 |
| fagan | Good | 22:04 |
| fagan | So when thats downloaded you will have your own ubuntu docs | 22:04 |
| fagan | you can edit it on gedit and play around | 22:05 |
| Saj0577_ | fagan: okay you got time to run through an example of how i would change something and upload it back to the server? | 22:05 |
| fagan | Well at the moment you cant upload it. | 22:06 |
| fagan | so go to places>home folder | 22:06 |
| fagan | then go to ubuntu-docs | 22:06 |
| Saj0577_ | fagan: im doing it all through terminal im a temrinal guy :) | 22:06 |
| fagan | cd ubuntu-docs | 22:07 |
| Saj0577_ | yep im there | 22:07 |
| fagan | ls | 22:07 |
| fagan | that gives you a list of the folders | 22:07 |
| fagan | choose one that sounds interests you | 22:07 |
| Saj0577_ | yeah i know. so i know cant upload but thats pick one as a dummy as if we were going to | 22:07 |
| Saj0577_ | gone for about-ubuntu | 22:08 |
| fagan | cd c | 22:08 |
| fagan | cd C (sorry) | 22:08 |
| Saj0577_ | whats dif between c and po? | 22:08 |
| fagan | po is for translations | 22:08 |
| Saj0577_ | oright okay. right im in C | 22:08 |
| fagan | gedit about-ubuntu.xml | 22:09 |
| Saj0577_ | fagan: got it open in nano | 22:09 |
| fagan | nano about-ubuntu.xml | 22:09 |
| * Saj0577_ never understoof xml | 22:09 | |
| fagan | its docbook | 22:10 |
| fagan | its similar to html | 22:10 |
| Saj0577_ | oright okays :) | 22:10 |
| fagan | so there you can change what you want. When you save the file bzr picks up on it. | 22:11 |
| Saj0577_ | fagan: do i not need to check before i save that someone else has not already made a change since i pulled it? | 22:11 |
| fagan | Well no | 22:12 |
| Saj0577_ | how come? | 22:12 |
| fagan | They more than likely didnt change anything you changed | 22:12 |
| fagan | and bzr diffs only contain stuff you change | 22:12 |
| Saj0577_ | argh right so lets say ive changed some spelling and saved nano and closed it then do i need to do anything? | 22:13 |
| fagan | you need to go back to the root of the ubuntu-docs folder | 22:13 |
| fagan | so cd .. and cd .. again | 22:13 |
| fagan | then bzr diff | 22:14 |
| Saj0577_ | hen thats that done yep? | 22:14 |
| fagan | so it shows you what you changed, then you just copy that into a file ending in .diff and attach it to a bug on launchpad | 22:15 |
| fagan | or post it to the mailing list | 22:15 |
| fagan | Just ask for a commiter to push it for you | 22:15 |
| Saj0577_ | okay so just send an email with the copy of it or send an email with an attached .diff? | 22:16 |
| j1mc | hi all | 22:16 |
| fagan | well you can do either if you want | 22:16 |
| fagan | j1mc: hello | 22:17 |
| Saj0577_ | alright. and then do i just run bzr pull before i start any work like if not checked for few days? | 22:17 |
| Saj0577_ | j1mc: hey | 22:17 |
| j1mc | :) | 22:17 |
| fagan | saj0577 yep | 22:17 |
| Saj0577_ | fagan: well thats nice and easy why cant the guides be that simple. thanks for that by the way that was great :) | 22:17 |
| fagan | saj0577 no probs | 22:18 |
| Saj0577_ | time to sort out claws again get all ym mail back on it | 22:19 |
| starcraftman | mdke: k, mail sent to list, I hope it went through. | 22:24 |
| starcraftman | I dunno why, sporadically I get trouble. | 22:24 |
| Saj0577_ | starcraftman: well i got it | 22:25 |
| starcraftman | ah good. | 22:25 |
| Saj0577_ | comes up as unknwon 3000 :S lol | 22:25 |
| starcraftman | that is my email account. | 22:26 |
| starcraftman | :) | 22:26 |
| Saj0577_ | lol fair does | 22:26 |
| starcraftman | I'm not a fancy ubuntu member yet to get one with starcraftman or so. | 22:26 |
| Saj0577_ | starcraftman: you use an email client? | 22:26 |
| starcraftman | Saj0577_: kontact, got 4 accounts now to manage with it. | 22:28 |
| * fagan uses evolution, ubuntu one address book is awesome | 22:28 | |
| Saj0577_ | imap or pop? | 22:29 |
| fagan | I use pop | 22:29 |
| Saj0577_ | why?(just looking for incite) | 22:29 |
| fagan | imap is a little bit harder on servers | 22:29 |
| fagan | because you are always connected | 22:29 |
| fagan | pop you ping the server and ask it if it has anything then close the connection | 22:30 |
| Saj0577_ | if i use multiple computers want all mail read on one machine to appear as read on them all and all mail in one sentbox in the sentbox off all the other clients what should i use pop or imap? | 22:30 |
| fagan | imap | 22:30 |
| Saj0577_ | thought so :) | 22:31 |
| fagan | because the mail is still on the server | 22:31 |
| Saj0577_ | where as pop copies it onto machine yeah? | 22:31 |
| fagan | Yep | 22:31 |
| starcraftman | Saj0577_: imap all the way. Pop on another just so I see what came in. | 22:31 |
| Saj0577_ | sweet i always forget when setting up. | 22:31 |
| starcraftman | imap is awesome. gmail did that right. Wish they did ldap already. | 22:32 |
| Saj0577_ | ldap? | 22:33 |
| fagan | starcraftman: you going for the wiki admin team? | 22:33 |
| starcraftman | fagan: that is so, | 22:34 |
| fagan | starcraftman: Ill +1 that | 22:35 |
| starcraftman | fagan: hehe, well discussion is on list. | 22:37 |
| fagan | Just sent it on | 22:37 |
| Saj0577_ | starcraftman: il +1 it cne get client sorted | 22:37 |
| starcraftman | Saj0577_: huh? what client? | 22:39 |
| Saj0577_ | starcraftman: just installing and configgin mail client not done it on this computer pet | 22:39 |
| starcraftman | Saj0577_: ah, i see. | 22:40 |
| starcraftman | kontact or evolution? | 22:40 |
| Saj0577_ | starcraftman: nooo claws :) | 22:40 |
| Saj0577_ | evolution is to heavy i think. and kontact is similar. | 22:40 |
| fagan | evolution in karmic has some real interesting stuff | 22:40 |
| fagan | you can sync your contacts up with ubuntu one (via couchdb) | 22:41 |
| fagan | its very easy | 22:41 |
| starcraftman | Saj0577_: ah, cool. K, well hope works, never tried claws. | 22:41 |
| Saj0577_ | fagan: does it need all the gnome stuff for it to work though? | 22:42 |
| fagan | saj0577_: yep | 22:42 |
| Saj0577_ | pfft :( | 22:42 |
| starcraftman | fagan: ya could manually do that though with any app long as the contact data stored easily. I suppose is nice if automated. | 22:42 |
| starcraftman | Saj0577_: I know, I want kde client. | 22:43 |
| fagan | I know but its nice just to have it there by default | 22:43 |
| Saj0577_ | dont liek gnome anymore though. | 22:44 |
| fagan | Gnome 3.0 is coming | 22:45 |
| fagan | lucid+1 | 22:45 |
| Saj0577_ | if its a real improvement might try it. | 22:45 |
| fagan | Its awesome already | 22:46 |
| fagan | complete redesign of the desktop experience | 22:46 |
| fagan | I cant wait for it | 22:46 |
| fagan | Im testing it out now | 22:46 |
| Saj0577_ | wahey got one of my mail accounts to work | 22:48 |
| starcraftman | fagan: I dunno, heard lots of complaints. I'm pretty happy with kde to be honest, 4.3. And I used to be a pretty avid gnome user. | 22:50 |
| fagan | starcraftman: Me too but its a redesign to use newer technology, redesigns always are controversial. | 22:51 |
| fagan | Clutter is the new hotness | 22:52 |
| starcraftman | lol | 22:52 |
| fagan | The current interface is plain and dated, Gnome-shell is special | 22:52 |
| fagan | its flashy and has all the bling of the red light district | 22:53 |
| starcraftman | 3.0 is basically gnomeshell? | 22:53 |
| fagan | That and a few other new things like zeitgeist. I love zeitgeist | 22:53 |
| starcraftman | well now I'm not excited. | 22:54 |
| fagan | it journals all of your activities (firefox history, recent documents etc) | 22:54 |
| fagan | Its made to make life handy | 22:54 |
| starcraftman | fagan: some don't like idea of all your history tracked. | 22:55 |
| fagan | You will be able to turn it off | 22:55 |
| fagan | and ignore certain things | 22:56 |
| fagan | but also it can be used for parental control | 22:56 |
| starcraftman | ya, like parental control has ever worked. | 22:57 |
| starcraftman | hehe | 22:57 |
| fagan | other than zeitgeist and Gnome-shell. They are just streamlining and depreciating. | 22:57 |
| starcraftman | there's no replacement for good parenting. | 22:57 |
| fagan | but you cant stop curiosity | 22:57 |
| fagan | kids will look up dirty words | 22:58 |
| starcraftman | fagan: nor should ya. Curiosity makes world go round. | 22:58 |
| Saj0577_ | fagan: isntr that part of growing up | 22:58 |
| fagan | but still its bad for kids <10 to be looking up that sort of thing | 22:59 |
| fagan | and some parents want the control | 22:59 |
| Saj0577_ | oyeah sure at that age | 22:59 |
| Saj0577_ | but at that age dont really need to be on internet tbh | 22:59 |
| * starcraftman shrugs. | 22:59 | |
| starcraftman | Saj0577_: lol, try and stop em. society is built on net. | 22:59 |
| fagan | but most kids now have their social networking | 23:00 |
| Saj0577_ | social networking is fore 13+ according to the sites | 23:00 |
| fagan | googling and tweeting is part of kids vocabulary | 23:00 |
| fagan | but most people below that at least where I am from (Ireland) are on those sites | 23:01 |
| * fagan thinks about making a blog post about this | 23:02 | |
| starcraftman | fagan: well, I dunno. not having kids any time soon so suppose it's not a care of mine. I'm pretty liberal though, I wouldn't freak out and lock kids down as I've seen sometimes. | 23:02 |
| starcraftman | fagan: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Blogs are evil. | 23:02 |
| starcraftman | :p | 23:02 |
| starcraftman | I don't mind, just darn if everyone don't have one now. | 23:03 |
| fagan | Id suggest just having an alert system to say the kid look at this site | 23:03 |
| starcraftman | I wait for someone to make an anti-blog. | 23:03 |
| fagan | why? lol | 23:03 |
| starcraftman | Because the internetz can! | 23:04 |
| starcraftman | come to think of it, I better go domain squat :p | 23:04 |
| starcraftman | next thing ya know, I'll be selling it for cool mil. | 23:04 |
| fagan | Spam already makes it hard to make a blog | 23:04 |
| starcraftman | re-re-captcha to the rescue. | 23:07 |
| fagan | Yep | 23:07 |
| starcraftman | soon won't be able to click a link on net without a captcha. | 23:08 |
| starcraftman | captcha guys make mony off that? | 23:08 |
| fagan | dont know | 23:08 |
| fagan | I just use akismet | 23:08 |
| fagan | Rocket2DMn: I agree with what you were saying but there is no other way to change the timeout | 23:38 |
| Rocket2DMn | sure fagan | 23:39 |
| Rocket2DMn | fagan, according to the wiki page, you're suppose dot use either /etc/default/grub or /etc/grub.d/ directory with custom entries | 23:40 |
| Saj0577_ | missed all that cos of netsplit | 23:40 |
| fagan | I suppose I should ask someone on the kernel team or whoever takes care of GRUB about what to do | 23:40 |
| Rocket2DMn | you didnt miss anyhting Saj0577 that's the first i've said | 23:40 |
| Rocket2DMn | sure fagan , though i think in the end it will come down to us pulling information from grub2 documentation (like on that wiki page) and testing it ourselves to make sure it works | 23:40 |
| fagan | Thats fine | 23:41 |
| fagan | Its simpler sometimes just asking and seeing where that gets you | 23:42 |
| Rocket2DMn | were you trying to get something into Karmic documentation for it? | 23:42 |
| fagan | nope im working on bugs for lucid | 23:43 |
| fagan | im just starting early | 23:43 |
| Rocket2DMn | ah ok, i asked mdke yesterday when the karmic branch would be opened and lucid set as the dev branch, but i signed off before i got a repsonse | 23:44 |
| Rocket2DMn | until then, I don't think we can really add in lucid documentation yet | 23:45 |
| Rocket2DMn | unless we branch from an earlier revision i guess | 23:45 |
| fagan | I know ill just keep attaching patches for what I can and when lucid opens commiters can take them | 23:45 |
| Rocket2DMn | okie dokie | 23:46 |
| fagan | Im just reading the wiki to see what I can find | 23:48 |
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