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BluesKajareay0, install fglrxgears16:33
areay0BluesKaj, there's no package by that name16:34
areay0BluesKaj, google doesn't know how to install it either16:36
BluesKajareay0, forgotten the exact name of the app16:39
BluesKajmesa-utils16:39
BluesKajdepends on your ati driver16:40
areay0mesa utils is already installed.16:40
BluesKajI used to use ati , but I've switched to nvidia and things have changed somewhat i guess16:40
areay0i tried running fgl_glxgears, and it told me to install xorg-driver-fglrx (which is what messed things up before)16:41
areay0(i think)16:41
BluesKajno , the xorg-driver-fglrx is like a plugin, but let me look around16:42
areay0kk#16:43
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BluesKajok, the xorg-driver-fglrx is a complete driver from what i can tell16:44
BluesKajso we need to avoid that16:44
areayok16:45
BluesKajareay,  dunno if there's a work around or not , more research is needed16:45
areayBluesKaj, can i pm you my glxinfo output16:45
BluesKajyeah16:45
linuxguyhi has anyone tried using the flrx drivers with 9.04?16:48
BluesKajlinuxguy, depends on your ati card17:00
BluesKajanyway, I'm going for my daily walk ...bb in an hr or so17:01
linuxguyBluesKaj: I am using an ati 9500 card, ive been reading up and its not promising17:01
BluesKajpci?17:01
linuxguyBluesKaj: no its an agp one :(#17:02
BluesKajok , but it's a stand alone17:03
BluesKajok gone for sure now...BBL17:06
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areayi just installed fglrx for my ati card... after logging into kdm, i get nothing but a black screen, a cursor, and a login sound...17:09
areaywhy is it taking hours to complete a simple configuration17:10
areayhas nobody thought about what it might be like for the end-user to install something like this?17:10
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lolsauc3this is lolb0t on my other comp17:12
areaywtf is going on in here17:12
areayeveryone has questions, but nobody has answers17:13
areaythis sucks17:13
areayhard17:13
FloodBotK1areay: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.17:13
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areayfuck off flood bot17:13
areayactually don't.. come back... you're the only one i'm getting any sense out of17:14
lolsauc3okay, BluesKaj, I'm going to try and boot my other comp into kubuntu. (this is lolb0t) and I'll type the results here.17:14
areaylolsauc3, unfortunately BlueKaj has gone... and now we're down to 0 people who know what they're doing17:15
areayout of 28417:15
lolsauc3oy :<17:15
areaylol17:15
lolsauc3damn17:15
lolsauc3I really want to get this crap working :P17:16
areayme too lol17:16
areayi would ask in #ubuntu but you can't get an answer there for the opposite reason17:16
areaywithin 30 seconds of you typing something, it's lost in a sea of other people's questions17:17
areayhere it just sits there and nobody says anything17:17
areaymy question: what's the point?17:17
lolsauc3lol, I dont know17:18
lolsauc3generally linux is pretty user friendly, especially ubuntu, but you always have a lemon and cant find your drivers ANYWHERE. especially with newer computers17:18
lolsauc3I on the other hand, am having problems booting17:19
areayimho: linux is as far from user-friendly as you can get (get a mac if that's what you want), ubuntu is the exception (in some situations)... the reason ubuntu is user-friendly is because it comes with everything a STANDARD user needs to work with... as soon as you want to do anything different you spend hours on borums and irc channels not getting the answers you need17:20
CyberKitsuneHello?17:22
areayCyberKitsune, can you hear the echoes?17:23
CyberKitsuneI was using Kubuntu, but I want to switch to Ubuntu, so I installed ubuntu-desktop, and GDM is default, but, Kubuntu is still there.17:23
areayCyberKitsune, you need to remove kubuntu-desktop17:24
CyberKitsuneI did that as well17:24
CyberKitsuneIt didn't uninstall any other packages, just kubuntu-desktop17:24
areayso it's firing up GDM, but going into kde when you login?17:24
CyberKitsuneNo17:25
CyberKitsuneI go into GNOME17:25
CyberKitsuneBut KDE is still there17:25
CyberKitsuneas well as all of the KDE apps17:25
areayyeah that can be annoying17:25
CyberKitsuneDo I have to manually uninstall all of the kde stuff?17:26
areayCyberKitsune, i think you do, but someone's already written all the commands17:26
areayi found it on google the other day17:26
areayhold up17:26
CyberKitsunek17:27
areayCyberKitsune, are you using 9.04?17:28
CyberKitsune9.10 Alpha9... but should be the same packages as 9.0417:29
CyberKitsuneer17:29
CyberKitsuneWhatever Alpha they are at17:29
areaylol17:29
areaytry this:17:29
areayhttp://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome17:30
areayCyberKitsune, let me know if it works for you#17:32
CyberKitsuneIt works, BUT, you need to remove the package "dontzap" from the list, as 9.10 doesn't have that17:32
CyberKitsuneafter that, it works perfectly17:33
areaysweet17:33
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BluesKajareay, what fglrx did you install ?17:47
lolsauc3BluesKaj, I'll try to boot my comp into kubuntu and tell you the results18:08
haythemHi all18:08
lolsauc3I got a few filed cpufrequency changes18:11
lolsauc3failed*18:11
lolsauc3I always get that for some reason18:11
lolsauc3should I get the 64 bit version instead?18:11
BluesKajif you have 64 bit kubuntu installed , you could try , lolsauc318:13
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lolsauc3I'll have to go put it on a live disc18:13
lolsauc3would it work better for a p3 800mhz?18:13
BluesKajlolsauc3, only if you have a 64 bit cpu18:14
lolsauc3I'll have to find out about that one18:14
lolsauc3idk if it's 64 bit18:14
lolsauc3hangon18:14
BluesKaj800mhz is quite old , it's prolly just x8618:15
BluesKajx86=32bit18:15
lolsauc3okay18:15
lolsauc3yeah, it's old, but I got it for practically free18:16
BluesKajok, what are you trying now , lolsauc3 ?18:16
lolsauc3I"m going to keep rebooting until I find the errors again, I've had one successful boot out of 2 so far18:17
BluesKaj!xfce18:17
ubottuXubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of !GNOME. More info at http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop » - Join #xubuntu for support - See also: !Ubuntu and !Xubuntu-Channels18:17
lolsauc3let me try again18:17
lolsauc3I'm using kubuntu right now18:17
BluesKajlive cd or install ?18:17
lolsauc3live cd18:17
BluesKajyou might try XFCE desktop, it's lighter on the RAM but very useful18:18
BluesKaj!xubuntu18:18
ubottuXubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of !GNOME. More info at http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop » - Join #xubuntu for support - See also: !Ubuntu and !Xubuntu-Channels18:18
lolsauc3I used xubuntu before this, I got the same problems, idk if it's because of my ram, because windows and linux only recognize 320 of the 512 (or something around there)18:19
BluesKajRam is cheap , it's worth upgrading to 1Gig if possible18:20
lolsauc3that's the thing, it says that the computer is only capable of using 192 mb (128 + the embedded 64mb) and that could be part of it, as there is a 512 stick in there18:21
lolsauc3I mean, it boots and memtest is cool with recognizing 320 of it18:22
lolsauc3I'll have to run memtest again18:22
lolsauc3I just love kde4 though18:23
lolsauc3it's gorgeous lol18:23
lolsauc3prettier than vista if you ask me18:23
lolsauc3and less ram consumption by far18:23
kiiruhey guys18:24
kiirui seem to be having a problem getting my usb mouse to work with kubuntu as far as i know it's in kubuntu 9.04 with kde4 any ideas?18:25
lolsauc3kiiru, did the mouse come with a driver disc for windows?18:26
lolsauc3or was it just plug and play?18:26
kiiruno it's plug and play18:26
lolsauc3are you on a laptop or desktop?18:26
kiirudesktop18:26
kiiruwell currently on a laptop but i'm refering to the desktop18:27
lolsauc3okay18:27
BluesKajlolsauc3, maybe a bios upgrade flash is in order for the motherboard , 800 mhz pc usually can handle up 512 if not more . The RAM installed isn't working right or is the wrong type , some pcs don't like unbalanced RAM values in the memory slots . 128 and 256 for example ...better to have just one 256 or 512 , or 2  256s18:27
lolsauc3is the usb port you're referring to a part of the motherboard, or is it a pci card?18:28
kiirui know it works with ps2 mice, but i don't have one on hand anymore18:28
kiirui've tried it on the motherboard usb slots and the pci ones18:28
lolsauc3and BluesKaj, where would I find a bios upgrade? I havent seen one on hp's site18:28
lolsauc3okay, does kubuntu recognize that it's plugged in or does it disregard it? and does the laser come on?18:29
BluesKajlolsauc3, find out what motherboard is installed on your pc on the HP site with a mosel number search18:29
BluesKajmodel18:29
kiirui'm not sure, as far as i can see it disregards it, but the laser never comes on it's not designed to18:29
lolsauc3it's a laptop, the model is compaq presario 18XL58018:30
lolsauc3BluesKaj, ^18:30
lolsauc3so it's a ball mouse kiiru ?18:30
BluesKajlolsauc3, then look for the motherboard make and model18:30
lolsauc3okay18:30
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kiiruno it's a lazer mouse that doen't have a visable light led,18:31
kiirui assume it's infra red, not i've no way os testing it18:31
kiiruok i opened it up and there's an led on the c.board it turns on so there is power going to the device18:33
lolsauc3okay18:34
lolsauc3so does that led light up when it's plugged in?18:34
kiiruyes18:35
lolsauc3BluesKaj, I found a new bios18:35
lolsauc3I'll flash that on18:35
lolsauc3and kiiru, I'm not sure why it wouldnt work. does the device work on windows pcs?18:36
kiiruyer it works fine with my laptop (vista)18:36
kiiruthe computer it self may be too old or something18:36
BluesKajlolsauc3, now follow the instructions for flashging your bios very carefully18:36
lolsauc3yeah, if you do it wrong the pc is screwed right?18:36
lolsauc3:P18:36
BluesKajlolsauc3, yup18:37
lolsauc3it's all in a windows executable18:37
BluesKajlolsauc3, do you have windows partition ?18:38
lolsauc3yes, right now the pc is all running on windows18:38
lolsauc3I was going to repartition it and put kubuntu on the other partition18:38
BluesKajlolsauc3, ok run the bios flash as per instructions on windows then , partition your drive and then install kubuntu , you can checl with the kubuntu live cd if the bios flash helped18:40
lolsauc3sure thing18:40
lolsauc3the description of the ROM update I'm downloading: creates a bootable diskette to update the System ROM18:41
lolsauc3and enhancements: Adds new video BIOS to support Windows XP18:41
kiirui think i'll just go and buy another ps2 mouse then, thanks guys later18:41
lolsauc3sorry about that kiiru18:42
lolsauc3ohwell18:42
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lolsauc3okay, it has to put it on a floppy lol18:48
lolsauc3a 3.5"18:48
lolsauc3I'm formatting one right now18:48
lolsauc3then I'll use it18:48
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lolsauc3I feel so ghetto with a 3.5"18:48
lolsauc3lol18:48
lolsauc3okay, it's writing now18:50
lolsauc3alright18:52
lolsauc3now I'm going to attempt18:52
lolsauc3wish me luck18:52
lolsauc3oh, it's doing it automatically18:53
lolsauc3holy fuck it scared the shit out of me18:54
lolsauc3it beeped really loud18:54
lolsauc3I hope that isnt bad18:54
FloodBotK2lolsauc3: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.18:54
BluesKajlolsauc3, language18:54
lolsauc3oh, I'm sorry18:54
lolsauc3hmm18:55
lolsauc3Error, 0251: system CMOS checksum bad-Default configuration used18:55
lolsauc3the bios is still working18:55
lolsauc3I just think it may have screwed up18:55
lolsauc3okay, this time it worked18:57
BluesKajreboot lolsauc3 , then do a memtest18:58
lolsauc3sure thing18:58
BluesKajBBL ..errands to do.19:02
lolsauc3kk19:02
lolsauc3BluesKaj, memtest will probably take a while19:04
lolsauc3I'll be back when results are in19:04
Galaenhello19:12
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Galaeni have a little problem with amarok when i try to download the jacquettes of my riped cd's it can't download19:13
Galaencover sorry19:14
lolsauc3BluesKaj, so far 29% pass and I had one failing address19:16
linuxguyareay0: are you still here?19:21
lolsauc3okay, BluesKaj, I hit a bad patch19:24
lolsauc3I have 21 errors so far19:24
lolsauc324 errors19:27
lolsauc3maybe my memory is a lemon?19:27
linuxguybrb19:27
lolsauc326 errors19:31
apetrescuWhat is the 'recommended' KDE4 newsreader? Is it still KNode?19:33
lolsauc328 errors19:34
lolsauc3:P19:34
lolsauc3darn19:34
mauriis there a program to perform a dvd movie backup?19:35
apetrescumauri: handbrake19:35
mauriapetrescu: is ti able to remove dvd protections?19:36
apetrescumauri: You have to decrypt it first before you pass it through handbrake19:36
James147wheeeeeeeeeeeee319:37
apetrescuThey have them in the Medibuntu repository19:37
apetrescumauri: Hope this helps: http://www.stchman.com/dvd_rip.html19:37
onlookerHi. Is there a way to recursively chmod a folder, but only affecting the files and not folders within?19:38
mauriapetrescu: tnk19:39
dennis00How can apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop xubuntu-desktop, it only frees 97kb it says, am I doing something wrong besides removing kubuntu?19:41
mauriapetrescu: just the last question....what can i use to decrypt the dvd?19:43
onlookerdennis00: That's because it's a so-called metapackage. Those packages don't contain anything, all they do is depend on other packages19:44
dennis00How do I remove kubuntu then? :-(19:44
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onlookerdennis00: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome <- Not sure if this applies to 9.04, but it's worth a shot19:46
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areaythe "Activate" button doesn't work in jockey-kde19:52
areayi click it and nothing happens19:52
areayand there's no errors reported in the command line19:52
areaymakes no sense at all19:53
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BluesKajareay0, are you choosing the recomended driver in the list ?20:30
sheldon_85hi, everyone has the KDE packages for ubuntu karmic compiled with qt 4.6 ?20:38
jlnkjnkhi, how can i disable bold fonts in konsole?20:44
jlnkjnkwhen i choose my font i select regular not bold, still ls command show dirs in bold and the other files in normal font weight20:45
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kenan!restricted21:11
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ubottuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/musicvideophotos/C/video.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats21:11
mostafa_when I apply the patch this error happend "Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R?" what is my problem?21:12
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honestнихуясебе21:15
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_motti__hi guys. I looked at my system monitor and I have java running constantly at ~124KB of memory and 2% of cpu. the parent process is wrapper-linux-x. what is going?21:38
Mr_Giraffedoes anybody know what package kdecorations.h is supposed to be in?22:19
Mr_Giraffeer, kdecoration.h*22:19
tsimpson!find kdecoration.h22:21
ubottuFile kdecoration.h found in kdebase-workspace-dev22:21
Mr_Giraffetsimpson: I had found it about 30 seconds ago, thanks though :P22:21
Mr_Giraffeuh, two more things, since I'm trying KDE coming from GNOME...22:22
Mr_Giraffe1) is there any way to get a network-manager type thing in the system tray?22:22
tsimpsonknetworkmanager22:22
Mr_Giraffesweet!22:23
Ev0luti0n_yup22:23
Ev0luti0n_add the widget and place it there22:23
Mr_Giraffehmm, I think I'm getting used to this...22:23
Ev0luti0n_:D22:23
Mr_Giraffeoh HELL yes, there's a scrolling RSS widget22:24
Ev0luti0n_if you are like me on this thing, the thing you'll fancy the most are the buttons located everywhere with which you can install themes and new content22:24
Mr_Giraffehaha well, I'm still trying to figure that bit out22:24
Mr_GiraffeEv0luti0n_: what's a decent theme for KDE?22:24
Ev0luti0n_right click on the desktop -> appearence settings -> get new themes22:24
Ev0luti0n_experience that22:24
Mr_Giraffewhoa22:25
Mr_Giraffewhoa.22:25
Ev0luti0n_sort items by rating22:25
Ev0luti0n_:D22:25
Ev0luti0n_or by most downloads22:25
Ev0luti0n_just click install22:25
FloodBotK2Ev0luti0n_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.22:25
tsimpsonthere's also tons more on kdelook.org22:25
Ev0luti0n_bam, it's done and ready to use!22:25
Ev0luti0n_yup22:25
tsimpsonwhich is where those themes you see are from22:25
Mr_Girafferight, I gathered that much22:26
Mr_Giraffethat's really neat, actually22:26
Ev0luti0n_:)22:26
Ev0luti0n_to get new widgets, new emoticons, new wallpapers, it's the similar process22:26
Ev0luti0n_try searching for new wallpapers22:26
Ev0luti0n_hehehe22:26
Ev0luti0n_:)22:26
Mr_Giraffeso if I want to change the window border, that's more compilation than anything else, right?22:26
Ev0luti0n_go to the appearence settings, on the settings panel22:26
Ev0luti0n_konqueror - computer - system settings -> appearence settings22:27
Mr_Giraffeoh, right, I mean installing new themes22:27
Mr_Giraffeor new window borders...whatever the right term is22:27
Ev0luti0n_i couldn't figure that out yet22:28
Ev0luti0n_fiddle around with the settings on the settings panel22:28
Ev0luti0n_:)22:28
Ev0luti0n_im a newbie also, i can't help you much22:28
tsimpsonwindow themes need to be compiled, there are a couple included in kubuntu, search for kwin-style in a package manager22:28
tsimpsonthere's also kwin-style-dekorator, which lets you customize things more easily22:28
Ev0luti0n_tsimpson: when you mean compiled, you mean installed through kpackagekit?22:29
tsimpsoncompiled means you download the source and turn it into binary modules22:29
Ev0luti0n_erm......22:29
Ev0luti0n_it would be a neat thing if plasma themes also skinned window deco and kde stuff22:30
tsimpsondekorator makes things easier though22:30
Ev0luti0n_very very neat22:30
tsimpsonwith decorator you shouldn't have to compile the themes made for it22:30
tsimpson*dekorator22:31
Mr_Giraffehmm, I installed kwin-style-serenity and didn't really get anything...22:31
Mr_Giraffedo I need to restart KDE or something?22:31
Ev0luti0n_installed that already22:31
tsimpsonyou should see it in as a style option in system settings22:31
Mr_Giraffehmm, I'm not seeing it...22:32
Mr_Giraffesystem settings -> appearance -> style?22:32
tsimpsonunder windows22:33
Ev0luti0n_i installed kwin decorator22:33
Ev0luti0n_and also can't find it22:33
Mr_Girafferuh roh22:33
tsimpsonmake sure to close/restart system settings after installing it22:33
tsimpsonit only populates the list of styles on loading22:34
Ev0luti0n_O.o22:34
Mr_Giraffehmm, I feel like I'm probably doing something wrong here22:35
Mr_Giraffegiven that I can't find the darn thing22:35
tsimpsonSystem Settings -> Appearance -> Windows22:36
Ev0luti0n_Mr_Giraffe: that is normal22:36
tsimpsonthere's a drop-down box with the styles22:36
Ev0luti0n_i couldn't find the wallpapers when i first tried. Then after searching on the web, i learned that it was normal only 2 screensavers where installed. You had to install kscreensavers22:37
Ev0luti0n_hehehe22:37
mario__hola a todos22:37
Ev0luti0n_boa noite22:37
Mr_Giraffetsimpson: I'm going there and then there's no real change from what I had before22:39
Mr_Giraffealso hmm. for some reason the previews of the windows are rather...broken.22:40
Ev0luti0n_fellas, for who enjoys hard techno22:41
Ev0luti0n_http://91.121.211.203:816022:41
Ev0luti0n_radio-tube.pl excellent stream radio now playing22:41
tsimpsonMr_Giraffe: I just installed dekorator and restarted system settings, then it showed up22:41
Mr_Giraffetsimpson: how do I restart system settings?22:42
Mr_Giraffekillall ... & ...?22:42
tsimpsonclose it and reopen it22:42
Mr_Giraffehmm22:42
Mr_GiraffeI did the same thing and I don't see anything referencing dekorator under settings -> appearance -> windows22:42
tsimpsonin the drop-down list you should see "DeKorator"22:43
Mr_Girafferight, but I'm not seeing that...22:44
tsimpsonafter installing kwin-style-dekorator?22:44
Mr_Giraffeyep22:44
Mr_Giraffeinstalled kwin-style-dekorator and style-settings doesn't have anything in it22:44
Mr_Giraffegrr, I keep having issues with system tray icon corruption too. :(22:45
tsimpsonshows up under system settings -> appearance -> windows for me: http://img408.imageshack.us/i/systemsettings.jpg/22:47
Mr_Giraffestrange22:48
Mr_GiraffeI'll just restart KDE real quick and that should (ideally) get it there22:48
Mr_Giraffehmm...still no luck22:51
Mr_Giraffeyou know, I'm also having some issues with corruption of the window bars in the preview window thing and also icon corruption in the system tray22:52
tsimpsonthe preview thing is known, and some GTK icons do become corrupt, but that's down to the icons GTK apps use22:53
Mr_Giraffeit's with all of them actually22:54
tsimpsonall of them, that's strange22:54
Mr_Giraffethe default volume icon is about half missing atm22:54
Mr_Giraffethere appear to be some strange bugs going on here...22:55
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shadowhywindjust wondering, since its slow, anyone running karmic here?23:07
Mr_Giraffeshadowhywind: nope, intrepid23:07
Mr_Giraffeoh right23:08
shadowhywindah23:08
Mr_Giraffetsimpson: when I change the plasma theme to gaia the text on the system tray is still black, making the whole thing kinda tough to read...any way to get around that?23:08
tsimpsonMr_Giraffe: you have text in the system tray?23:09
Mr_Giraffetsimpson: er, task manager23:10
Mr_Giraffesorry, bad with nomenclature23:10
tsimpsonMr_Giraffe: I think that should be down to the theme used, but you should be able to edit it from System s23:14
tsimpsonSystem Settings -> Appearance -> Colors23:14
tsimpsonI'm not sure there is a way, without editing the theme actually...23:16
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Mr_Giraffetsimpson: when I hit alt-f2 to bring up the run command window, is that themed by plasma?23:46
Ev0luti0n_yup23:46
tsimpsonit is23:47
Mr_Giraffehmm, strange23:48
Mr_Giraffebecause that window seems to be stuck themed by gaia...whereas the rest of my plasma theme is not23:48
tsimpsonwait until you see a notification, quite ugly IMO23:50
Mr_Giraffeoh, gaia is?23:50
tsimpsonyeah, all white with a rainbow circle thing23:51
Mr_Girafferight now my main concern is the fact that the task manager is hopelessly broken when I try to use gaia23:52
Mr_Giraffeblack text on dark grey...not so nice23:52
tsimpsonhttp://img522.imageshack.us/img522/2746/snap2z.jpg23:53
tsimpsonnot pretty23:53
Mr_Giraffeugh23:53
Mr_Giraffewhat's with the jagged edges...?23:53
Mr_Giraffethat's awful23:53
tsimpsonand it's really large, doesn't need to be anywhere near that size23:54
Mr_Giraffemm23:55
Mr_Giraffeman, I'm still having this icon corruption issue23:55
Mr_GiraffeI'm not quire sure what's going on there...23:55

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