[02:37] <magcius> Is Cody in here
[02:37] <magcius> ?
[03:03] <tedg> magcius: Cody who?
[03:03] <magcius> Not sure.
[03:03] <magcius> There was some Canonical employee today at the GNOME summit whose name I thought was "Cody"
[03:04] <magcius> He's on the desktop experience team.
[03:04] <magcius> Implemented xsplash.
[03:04] <tedg> magcius: Ah, okay.  THAT Cody :)  His nick is bratsche -- but he's probably at the beer summit right now :)
[03:04] <magcius> ah, okay.
[03:04] <tedg> There are actually a couple of Cody's.
[03:05] <tedg> magcius: Can I answer a quick question for you?
[03:05] <magcius> tedg, sure.
[03:05] <magcius> tedg, ehh... well, no.
[03:05] <magcius> tedg, are you a Canonical employee?
[03:05] <magcius> tedg, and were you at the Summit today?
[03:05] <tedg> magcius: Yes, but that doesn't preclude me from knowing about xsplash ;)
[03:06] <tedg> Yes, I was.
[03:06] <magcius> tedg, hm, i thought Cody was the only Canonical employee there.
[03:06] <tedg> magcius: I was hiding among the bushes.
[03:07] <magcius> tedg, I assume you weren't there when Cody and I were talking.
[03:08] <tedg> magcius: Probably not.
[03:09] <magcius> tedg, who at Canonical did Upstart?
[03:09] <tedg> magcius: Keybuk
[03:10] <magcius> Cody said Upstart was first introduced in Karmic, but http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ says it was first used in 6.10
[03:11] <tedg> magcius: Yeah, the big change is that upstart was being used previously more in a SysVInit emulation mode.
[03:11] <tedg> magcius: Karmic is when it was really "turned on"
[03:12] <magcius> tedg, will Fedora get the same change?
[03:12] <tedg> magcius: That is up to the Fedora devs.  It's open source.
[03:12] <tedg> magcius: Traditionally they've adopted a "Canonical doesn't do upstream" stance, so it seems they don't like including our projects ;-/
[03:13] <tedg> magcius: It's good for users, hopefully they'll include it.
[03:13] <magcius> The upstart page says that it has been used since Fedora 9.
[03:13] <magcius> So I assume it's just in SysV init emu mode.
[03:13] <tedg> Oh, really?  I didn't realize that.  Very cool.
[03:17] <tedg> magcius: bratsche will be at the summit tomorrow if you want to catch him.  I will not.
[10:41]  * hyperair notes that all sabdfl's emails appear to have bad signatures.
[10:41] <hyperair> why is that, i wonder?
[16:19] <LaserJock> quick question, is there any way to adjust the behavior of indicator-applet-session in terms of when it automatically changes your status, like after a resume for instance?
[16:20] <tedg1> LaserJock: There's no code in it for anything like that.  I doesn't know about after resume really.  (I mean, it sent the signal, but doesn't really register when you come back)
[16:21] <tedg1> LaserJock: What were you thinking?
[16:21] <LaserJock> I've just noticed that when I set it to "Away", when I come back it automatically sets me as "Available"
[16:21] <LaserJock> my general workflow is that I set the status manually and not really based on anything the computer is doing
[16:22] <tedg1> LaserJock: Hmm, I don' think thats the session menu doing that.  It's probably getting the event from someone else.
[16:22] <LaserJock> I see
[16:22] <LaserJock> let's see, I did switch to Empathy
[16:22] <LaserJock> it probably started doing it around that time
[16:23] <LaserJock> would empathy be doing something like that?
[16:26] <LaserJock> empathy doesn't seem to have any options regarding such behavior at least
[16:34] <tedg1> LaserJock: Probably more likely the individual account managers would be doing it.
[16:34] <tedg1> LaserJock: Both Empathy and the Session Menu pull in their information.  It's possible for them to all have different statuses :-/
[19:33] <LaserJock> tedg: what's an account manager?
[19:33] <LaserJock> tedg: do you mean like individual accounts in empathy?
[19:34] <LaserJock> I tried setting myself as away in both indicator-applet-session and empathy and neither stuck
[21:21] <tedg> LaserJock: So the way that Telepathy works is that each protocol has it's own process that manages things for that protocol.  I'm guessing one of those is doing it.  If one of those comes bad "Available" then both Emapthy and Indicator Session will report Available because it's the most available of any of the statuses.
[22:37] <LaserJock> tedg: so there's more-or-less no way of changing that behavior
[22:37] <LaserJock> tedg: the process manager would have to sprout a UI
[22:38] <tedg> LaserJock: Yeah, kinda.  Probably the best solution is to have indicator-session grow the ability to understand "after suspend" and then force everyone to agree.  But, that's definitely not Karmic timeframe stuff.
[22:39] <LaserJock> tedg: well, it's not just suspend that does it
[22:39] <LaserJock> things like unlocking from the screensaver does it
[22:39] <LaserJock> and seemingly after I leave it for a while, but I haven't nailed that down yet exactly
[22:39] <LaserJock> I just find that I can't keep the bugger "Away" :-)
[22:40] <tedg> LaserJock: Hmm, I'd guess that locking the screensaver goes to "Away" and then it changes back when you unlock.  But it shouldn't change back if you were "Away."  I'm guessing that one is an Empathy bug.
[22:40] <LaserJock> is there any difference between Away and Busy?