[00:00] <sebsebseb> cybersplice: sometimes  the not so technical people need to know about their hardware as well,  because they need to know if they have enough RAM for a Windows virtual machine, or  they got to configure some hardware
[00:00] <Twigathy> xsplash is amusing. I see it for maybe a second or so before I hit the login screen... >_<
[00:00] <joaopinto> mom_, it will depend on your hw, on mine I didn't find a significant difference
[00:00] <cybersplice> sebsebseb, well it depends on your point of view. Really, there's no advantage for Canonical to target the home user market. Businesses are the ones that are willing to shell out for support.
[00:00] <sebsebseb> Twigathy: yeah it's quick, sadly the log in screen isn't that good though, and can't be themed,  and already had that discussion a while ago
[00:00] <cybersplice> sebsebseb, what you're saying isn't wrong, at all.
[00:01] <cybersplice> Well, basically speaking. A hardware audit tool of some kind would be really useful.
[00:01] <mzz> henken: "Disabling IRQ #17" looks suspicious in combination with pata_jmicron being on that irq
[00:02] <henken> mzz, I just found the error around there
[00:02] <sebsebseb> most people  that are responsible for an Ubuntu install, will sometimes  probably  need to know something about their hardware, even Microsoft reolize that I guess, hence all those nice graphical tools  for finding out about hardware even in the homeuser/consumer versions
[00:02] <sebsebseb> of Windows
[00:02] <mom_> will there be release parties like for windows 7?
[00:02] <sebsebseb> mom_: yes
[00:03] <sebsebseb> mom_: I am not sure how long the release parties have been going on for, but  I guess it's been a while now, for every Ubuntu release
[00:03] <joaopinto> mom_, uh, release parties for windows ? how do you get the free cd's to install ?
[00:04] <joaopinto> you mean, store parties :) ?
[00:04] <mom_> joaopinto_you had to sign up a month ago and they would ship you the signature steve ballmer edition
[00:04] <mzz> henken: it also mentions the "irqpoll" boot option being possibly helpful
[00:04] <cybersplice> joaopinto, they do tend to give out freebies. You occasionally get them even at InfoSec.
[00:04] <mom_> i was going to do that so i could run it next to ubuntu
[00:04] <sebsebseb> cybersplice: maybe some devs will see my comments here and  :D
[00:04] <mzz> henken: might want to give that a shot, and if you have 9.04 media around I really recommend trying to compare
[00:04] <joaopinto> cybersplice, a complete windows 7 install as freebie ?
[00:05] <cybersplice> sebsebseb, they might also say, "Let's ban that cybersplice git." or, "I fancy a hotdog."
[00:05] <cybersplice> hehe
[00:05] <mzz> henken: also: there might be a way to make hd device detection synchronous again, which at least would make dmesg more readable
[00:05] <cybersplice> joaopinto, yeah, i think they gave some out.
[00:05] <cybersplice> joaopinto, you can get the RC anyway. ;)
[00:05] <sebsebseb> cybersplice: brainstorm is the proper place for suggestions though
[00:05] <joaopinto> cybersplice, I am not talking about promoting campaigns, that's marketing, does not count
[00:05] <henken> mzz, I will try that option
[00:05] <mom_> joaopinto, they just dont give out the source code for free
[00:05] <cybersplice> joaopinto, i don't see much difference, to be honest.
[00:06] <joaopinto> mom_, the last time I have checked Win7 was paid, is closed sourced and paid, well paid, btw :)
[00:06] <cybersplice> joaopinto, giving out free cds is giving out free cds. It's more effective for us types though, since people can give them to their mates after. ;)
[00:06] <mom_> joaopinto, well you are paying for steve ballmer´s signature on the signature edition so that makes sense
[00:06] <sebsebseb> mom_: Microsoft  give software away to lock people in
[00:07] <sebsebseb> or  for rather cheap for that reason
[00:07] <cybersplice> mom_, they don't give out the source code at all, unless you happen to be a state government and want to sign literally a book's worth of NDA.
[00:07] <henken> mzz, thanks for the help so far, I will reboot to attempt that option
[00:07] <sebsebseb> mom_:  also if the code isn't open  it restricts our freedoms
[00:07] <sebsebseb> !freedom
[00:07] <mom_> cybersplice, didnt they give out source code for mono?
[00:07] <cybersplice> sebsebseb, microsoft only give stuff away for cheap when they're afraid, and you're high profile.
[00:07] <Nafai> mom_: Mono is not written by Microsoft
[00:08] <mzz> hah
[00:08] <sebsebseb> cybersplice: sure or make  versions of Internet Explorer for  XP, when it was never intended to begin with
[00:08] <cybersplice> mom_, that's not an operating system, and no, mono was written from scratch to the specification which was open iirc.
[00:08] <sebsebseb> cybersplice: yep Firefox gained quite a lot of market share and then they did it,  as a result Mozilla have an internal joke "Internet Explorer 7 the best browser we ever made"
[00:08] <mom_> .NET stuff?
[00:08] <cybersplice> mom_, Mono is an OSS implementation of .net.
[00:08] <mzz> mom_: if the actual ".NET stuff" was opensource we wouldn't need most of Mono
[00:09] <sebsebseb> cybersplice: yep no IE7 for XP  untill that
[00:09] <mom_> well i can get free microsoft word templates from the microsoft website, thats all that matters really
[00:09] <joaopinto> mzz, yes we would, because it would rely on Windows tecnhology, open source that you would not be able to compile on linux :)
[00:09] <mzz> joaopinto: which is why I said "most of" :)
[00:10] <mzz> joaopinto: although perhaps my guess of the ratios involved is very wrong
[00:10] <cybersplice> mom_, you can't get Office for free, which is what counts really. £300 to get basic word processing and desktop publishing? I'm facing a purchase of about 610 copies of office right now. That will really eat into my storage budget.
[00:10] <sebsebseb> cybersplice: I wonder if Ubuntu  12.04 or 14.04  both LT's (according to when LTS's are meant to be)  will be able to compete properly against Windows,  after all that's the time when many  Windows users will be leaving XP probably
[00:10] <joaopinto> you don't expect .NET to be ANSI C/C++ :P
[00:10] <mom_> sebsebseb, mozilla wont say anything like that about IE8 . . wow that browser it awful
[00:11] <mzz> joaopinto: no, but I'd expect a large chunk of the .net stdlib to be written in c# (at least that's how the minor parts of the mono one I looked at worked)
[00:11] <sebsebseb> cybersplice: 2014  XP will stop being supported unless they extend that again,  and Microsoft have told businesses before to leave XP in 2012 by the latest
[00:11] <cybersplice> sebsebseb, i think Linux's purported inability to compete with Windows isn't so much a features issue but a culture issue.
[00:11] <JanC> actually, MS has an open source implementation of .NET IIRC  ;)
[00:11] <sebsebseb> cybersplice: and lack of  hardware and software support from many manufactures still sadly
[00:12] <cybersplice> sebsebseb, XP is pretty irrelevant to business. most businesses don't ever need MS support for the desktop OS, per se. HOwever, i am going to have to scrap my entire 2k3 architecture right now..
[00:12] <cybersplice> sebsebseb, really?
[00:12] <mzz> sure
[00:12] <sebsebseb> cybersplice: really to what?
[00:12] <cybersplice> becuase all my servers and desktops seem to work pretty well.
[00:12] <mzz> cybersplice: games! :)
[00:12] <mom_> i just go around wiping peoples computers and putting linux on it without their permission, good way to get converts
[00:12] <cybersplice> The hardware support etc.
[00:12] <cybersplice> Lets' face it, the real inroad we need to make is in the business sector.
[00:12] <sebsebseb> mom_: and they pay you for that?
[00:13] <cybersplice> Windows didn't get popular becuase it was a home OS, it got popular trough the business sector.
[00:13] <mom_> no its a fun hobby/espionage
[00:13] <cybersplice> People saw the Windows logo at work, and when the opportunity arose to get it at home, it made them feel warm and fuzzy.
[00:14] <cybersplice> mzz, I know. Only winddows machine in my house is the one i use for games. :D
[00:14] <sebsebseb> cybersplice: yeah and there was a woman in #ubuntu the other day/night who  had been using  Debian at work :)  so she wanted to give Ubuntu a try, but then Grub issues :(
[00:14] <mom_> linux isnt is as popular because 1) vendors arent writing drivers for it like windows and 2) linux spends too much time trying to be like windows
[00:14] <cybersplice> sebsebseb, happens.
[00:14] <sebsebseb> Grub can still be a right pain after all this time,  I wonder if that can ever be made to be much more user friendly to deal with problems
[00:14] <joaopinto> mom_, I don't agree with the 2)
[00:14] <cybersplice> mom_, i've not had a hardware issue in a business setting in years.
[00:14] <cybersplice> Oh wait i lied
[00:14] <cybersplice> i had a really annoying problem with a 1u dell server with some hokey ass graphics card that wasn't supported
[00:14] <mzz> sebsebseb: yeah, and now with the grub 2 transition we're sort of getting that all over again
[00:15] <sebsebseb> mzz: elebrarate?
[00:15] <cybersplice> business users who are concerned about stability need to be using the LTS.
[00:15] <cybersplice> Enough said.
[00:15] <henke> mzz, I am back (under a slightly different nick). the irqpoll option disabled my keyboard input, so I couldn't really try if it helped. However, I disconnected my DVD drive (same IDE cable), and the disk now gives normal performance
[00:15] <mom_> eg 2) openoffice
[00:15] <sebsebseb> cybersplice: LTS also gets old though,  and it really does after three years
[00:15] <JanC> I set up grub2 manually after an upgrade, and even that worked without a hickup
[00:15] <mzz> sebsebseb: I don't know how much you've messed with grub 2 yet, but the scripts involved don't seem to be entirely robust yet.
[00:15] <cybersplice> henke, does the DMA work??
[00:15] <sebsebseb> cybersplice: and things do seem rather old,  when they are getting old, and only get security updates from the repo
[00:15] <mzz> sebsebseb: it not detecting my jaunty install's separate /boot at all was a little unfortunate, for example.
[00:15] <cybersplice> sebsebseb, but that's not what business users care about.
[00:16] <mzz> sebsebseb: (well, it detected it, but the scripts ignored this information)
[00:16] <cybersplice> They care that the application they are running on their server continues to run and will be supported for n years.
[00:16] <cybersplice> ie their amortization period.
[00:16] <joaopinto> mom_, oh, you are comparing an app with an OS
[00:16] <cybersplice> oh god, i said amortization
[00:16] <sebsebseb> cybersplice: sure stability, well many would recommend Debian instead of an Ubuntu LTS, and hmm I am saying this in here hmm
[00:16] <joaopinto> how does ooo compare to Windows ?
[00:16] <cybersplice> Heretic! :D
[00:16] <henke> cybersplice, well, it seems to be fine now. it was always in udma5 mode, though
[00:17] <mom_> joaopinto, well yes, people tend not to just download the linux kernel and make comparisions
[00:17] <cybersplice> joaopinto,  care to rephrase that? it sounded like you were comparing an OS to a desktop productivity suite. :D
[00:17] <mzz> henke: hmm, fishy. I don't really know what kernel-level change could cause that. Worth filing a bug on, I guess.
[00:17] <cybersplice> henke, hmm. interesting issue!
[00:17] <joaopinto> cybersplice, mon did it, it said linux tries to be like windows, the example was openoffice...
[00:17] <joaopinto> mom_
[00:17] <mom_> mom_, and even the kernel is getting bloated like windows according to linux
[00:18] <mom_> linus
[00:18] <mzz> what?
[00:18] <mzz> (citation needed :)
[00:18] <joaopinto> mom_, the "like windows" is your word
[00:18] <cybersplice> I think that's more of an issue with the distros than the kernel
[00:18] <cybersplice> the kernel was intended to be modular, and it is
[00:18] <joaopinto> he mentioned linux was getting bloated, he didn't compared it to windows
[00:18] <cybersplice> tell you what, this is probably the most intelligent debate i've had in ages
[00:18] <cybersplice> jolly good fun
[00:19] <JanC> we need more/better subsystem unification in the kernel
[00:19] <henke> mzz, well, I am unsure of what has actually caused it, as the same problem happens when I go back to the previous kernel
[00:19] <mom_> joaopinto, so yiou do not think windows kernel is also bloated?
[00:19] <mom_> i think it is more bloated than the linux kernel
[00:19] <mzz> mom_: afaik the windows kernel is a microkernel, so you can't really do a direct comparison
[00:19] <Twigathy> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10358024-16.html <-- have a citation
[00:19] <Twigathy> that took 5 seconds of google-fu c_c
[00:19] <henke> mzz, the IRQ isn't disabled now, with the removed DVD drive
[00:19] <sebsebseb> Twigathy: What is google-fu  it's even mentioned in the factoid
[00:19] <sebsebseb> !google
[00:19] <jimpop> Ubuntu is getting bloated... but some of that is Debian's fault
[00:19] <joaopinto> mom_, you mean that kernel that boots in 4-5s ? no I don't find it bloated, it maybe bloated code-wise, from a development perspective, and that is probably what Linus said
[00:19] <cybersplice> Well, OO.o is trying to fill a gap. It is trying to compete with Microsoft Office, and it does that pretty well. I've rolled it to a few hundred desktops so far.
[00:20] <Twigathy> sebsebseb: the ability to google effectively
[00:20] <sebsebseb> Twigathy: what does it mean?
[00:20] <JanC> mzz: not a microkernel, but a modular kernel like linux really
[00:20] <Twigathy> Just ... google-fu :)
[00:20] <mzz> Twigathy: need more context
[00:20] <sebsebseb> or what is it?
[00:20] <Twigathy> It's how good you are at using google to find what you want to find
[00:20] <mom_> 4-5 sec truly depends on the modules you are loading and hardware
[00:20] <mzz> Twigathy: (that's Linus saying "linux is bloated", but only that article making the comparison to windows)
[00:21] <Twigathy> indeed
[00:21] <Twigathy> I was just linking, don't shoot the messenger :)
[00:21] <joaopinto> mom_, a common desktop, using a stock ubuntu kernel :)
[00:21] <cybersplice> GAH. My cat just farted on my face.
[00:21] <JanC> mzz: only, microsoft dictates the subsystem API for each class of drivers instead of linux still having to support several subsystems for e.g. WiFi
[00:21] <Twigathy> In other news: the 9.10 alpha decided to install a PAE kernel for me so I can see all my RAM!
[00:21] <Twigathy> Which was kind of nice of it
[00:22] <sebsebseb> mzz: Grub 2 scripts?
[00:22] <mzz> sebsebseb: the ones responsible for writing /boot/grub/grub.cfg and the generated grub.cfg itself
[00:22] <mom_> mmm ubuntu is great but it is also the slowest kernel to load of the distros ive tried
[00:22] <sebsebseb> mzz: yeah  that's changed as well no longer menu.lst  altough I did get asked last time I did updates if I wanted to create one
[00:22] <JanC> mom_: most of the load time is the initrd I suppose?
[00:22] <mzz> sebsebseb: (both are very different from what writes menu.lst, with fun new bugs)
[00:23] <cybersplice> Twigathy, what are you doing still using the alpha? :D
[00:23] <sebsebseb> mzz: What was wrong with the old Grub,  except it not being able to do Ext4?
[00:23] <Twigathy> cybersplice: oh, pah, whatever the latest version is I'm at it c_c
[00:23] <dumbby>  i deleted /etc/grub.d/10_linux by accident~ can anyone send it back to me?
[00:23] <mzz> sebsebseb: unsupported upstream was probably the main one
[00:23] <joaopinto> sebsebseb, not maintained ?
[00:23] <cybersplice> Twigathy, :D
[00:23] <mzz> sebsebseb: I kinda like grub 2 being able to boot directly off my lvm, but that's not a big deal to most people
[00:24] <sebsebseb> mzz: I don't use lvm
[00:24] <mzz> yes
[00:24] <mom_> JanC, i didnt break it down, just comparing from start to login or x-windows login screen
[00:24] <JanC> grub2 also supports booting from lvm & some raid configs
[00:24] <mom_> x-window
[00:24] <sebsebseb> mzz: just normal partitions here
[00:24] <mzz> yes. That's what I said.
[00:24] <mzz> apparently you're one of "most people"
[00:24] <sebsebseb> mzz: I guess if I had used LVM,   Fedora 11 would have gone on rather nicely,  it doesn't like my partition set up
[00:25] <drop_tables> Why are there no icons for shutdown, lock screen and Log out?
[00:25] <JanC> mom_: from grub to login screen is pretty fast for me in Ubuntu
[00:25] <sebsebseb> drop_tables: you mean in the system menu?
[00:25] <cybersplice> drop_tables, click your name on the top right :)
[00:25] <JanC> in karmic
[00:25] <mom_> if one accepts that windows is bloated and one accepts that what linus says is true that the linux kernel is bloated, then it isnt a huge logical leap to say they are both bloated
[00:25] <sebsebseb> drop_tables: there stupid edited  FUSA (Fast User Account Switcher)  is why it's not in the system menu
[00:26] <sebsebseb> drop_tables: ,but if you remove it  yep the thing on the top right, it will be back where it's meant to be according to upstream Gnome :)
[00:26]  * mzz groans
[00:26] <JanC> mom_: I can build a very lean linux though, you can't do that with Windows  ;)
[00:26] <sebsebseb> mzz: why?
[00:26] <mzz> mom_: I'm fairly certain Linus was referring to the size of either the linux kernel source tree or the average size of a kernel binary built from it
[00:26] <mom_> JanC, they actually did i think
[00:27] <sebsebseb> drop_tables: 8.10 did it right,  it had a fusa, but it also left the system menu alone :)
[00:27] <mzz> mom_: which is very different from the kind of "bloated" most people accuse windows of being
[00:27] <mzz> mom_: so unless you can link me to an article with Linus making that windows comparison I'm just going to ignore this thread of discussion from here on
[00:27] <mom_> mzz, well, the kernel is huge compared to previous versions
[00:28] <mzz> mom_: if you build a non-distro one it's not that bad
[00:28] <JanC> mom_: the day that I can run Windows 7 on an embeded system with 16 MiB disk space & 32 MiB RAM & a 266 MHz CPU I'll agree with that  ;)
[00:28] <mzz> mom_: (although yes, it's been slowly getting larger)
[00:28] <sebsebseb> Linus probably meant  that the kernels can support loads more stuff/bloat now
[00:28] <mom_> mom_, he said he wished it didnt need so much stuff in it but he supposed it needed a it
[00:28] <dumbby>  i deleted /etc/grub.d/10_linux by accident~ can anyone send it back to me?
[00:28] <mom_> no i heard his interview
[00:28] <mom_> he was talking about how he wished the code did what it did more simply
[00:28] <cybersplice> JanC, that would be awesome.
[00:29] <mzz> dumbby: just reinstall grub-common?
[00:29] <mom_> mom_, without all the checks etc
[00:29] <sebsebseb> I am not a fan of the offtopic channel, but    mom_  mzz
[00:29] <sebsebseb> !ot
[00:29] <cybersplice> mom_, Linus is a notorious perfectionist. he won't be happy until he can make a kernel that works with one line of code. :D
[00:29] <JanC> cybersplice: it's perfectly possible with linux 2.6.31   ;)
[00:29] <cybersplice> JanC, I know, i love Gentoo for that!
[00:29] <mzz> sebsebseb: yeah, I needed that, thanks. I'll just drop the discussion instead though, hit me over the head if I don't :)
[00:30] <mom_> sebsebseb, i just wanted to know about karma boot times :)
[00:30] <JanC> cybersplice: I'd suggest openwrt or another embeded distro like that for such a setup, but still ;)
[00:30] <cybersplice> mom_, karmic boots a bit quicker than 9.04. I like it.
[00:30] <sebsebseb> cybersplice: 9.04 with Ext4 boots up rather fast as well :)
[00:30] <cybersplice> mom_,  you might want to invest in an SSD if you want really fast boot times.
[00:30] <cybersplice> sebsebseb, i must try ext4 sometime.
[00:31] <sebsebseb> cybersplice: thing is
[00:31] <mom_> cybersplice, im waiting for donations
[00:31] <dumbby> mzz, hmm could try but it will be easiler if anyone can sent that to me since i tweaked some scripts
[00:31] <sebsebseb> ,becasue of their security updates  only from the repos thing
[00:31] <cybersplice> mom_, me too.
[00:31] <sebsebseb> 9.04 doesn't have a proper kernel for Ext4 and that
[00:31] <cybersplice> or a raise...
[00:31]  * JanC has a raptor boot disk, no SSD yet...
[00:31] <mzz> dumbby: which I'd expect the config file handling to handle
[00:31] <cybersplice> sebsebseb, i have Gentoo for such things.
[00:31] <mom_> im a little paranoid about going to ext4 so soon
[00:31] <sebsebseb> cybersplice: ,but it's pretty much fine really,  maybe a lock up issue  when deleting big files though
[00:32] <sebsebseb> mom_: Are you on Karmic now no?
[00:32] <JanC> mom_: I wouldn't use ext4 for data yet
[00:32] <sebsebseb> JanC: nonsense???  it's fine in 9.10, nice proper kernel and all that for it right?
[00:32] <sebsebseb> it's not like 9.04
[00:32] <sebsebseb> where  it's a bit dodgy
[00:32] <JanC> for a boot disk, well, that can be re-installed easily
[00:32] <mom_> no i was going to wait for the official release since ive screwed up things into the past with ubuntu alphas and betas and rcs
[00:32] <mzz> dumbby: http://pastebin.com/f3c79c196 but I still think you're doing something weird if you need this
[00:33] <sebsebseb> mom_: ok sounds good
[00:33] <cybersplice> mom_, probably fair enough.
[00:33] <sebsebseb> mom_: wait for the final  release, and then do a clean install of Ubuntu, so you get proper Ext4 support :)
[00:33] <JanC> sebsebseb: well-known filesystem developers say that a filesystem needs at least 5 years of real world use before they are really stable ;)
[00:33] <mom_> im still on jaunty and my bedrock debian stable
[00:33] <sebsebseb> Ext3 9.04 upgrades to 9.10 won't give Ext4 or Grub2,  and the conversion  isn't quite good enough Ext3 to Ext4, by the sounds of it
[00:34] <dumbby> mzz, thankz ^^ just trying to make boot menu look nicer ;p
[00:34] <sebsebseb> JanC: well  I think I read that they started working on Ext4 in 2006, yes not 5 years ago, but it's been a while
[00:34] <mom_> debian stable is nice because i dont have hardly any updates and dont have to reinstall for . . . years
[00:34] <sebsebseb> JanC: plus Fedora 11 had a proper kernel  for it's default Ext4, and as far as I know not many people had issues with that
[00:34] <JanC> sebsebseb: 5 years of real world use, and ext4 wasn't use for real until a year ago or so
[00:34] <mzz> sebsebseb: it obviously builds heavily on ext3, it's not a completely new filesystem. But yeah.
[00:35] <sebsebseb> mzz: it is rather differnet to Ext3
[00:35] <cybersplice> Nobody wanted a new filesystem, i think. They wanted an evolution of the existing filesystem.
[00:35] <sebsebseb> JanC: depends on the user etc, and  to some extent how paranoid they are over their data
[00:35] <JanC> sebsebseb: of course depends on how important your data is etc.
[00:35] <sebsebseb> ,but yeah with 9.04  and I guess it's the same for 9.10, the main thing when it comes to most users is having / in Ext4
[00:36] <sebsebseb> for the fast, boot up time, shut down, and disk checking
[00:36] <sebsebseb> after the 23 or so boots
[00:36] <mzz> sebsebseb: I don't know even close to enough about filesystem guts to actually argue about this, but the ext4 driver mounting my ext2 (journal-less) filesystem seems some indication the format didn't change completely
[00:37] <sebsebseb> as for /home  in  Ext3 for example   that's alright, or an Ext3 data partition.    Then also Ext4 is better with much bigger files then  what  Ext3 can handle, but  homeusers are unlikely to have such big files.
[00:37] <JanC> mzz: ext4 can be backwards compatible with ext2/3 if it doesn't use the features that make ext4 useful compared to ext2/3
[00:37] <mzz> yep
[00:37] <mzz> the part I can't argue is how different enabling those features makes the fs
[00:37] <sebsebseb> mzz: I don't know that much about file systems either, but I am glad I did 9.04  with Ext4, and I never had any problems with it :)  a few others did though, but I already said about 9.04's Ext4 support here
[00:38] <JanC> quite different in some ways, almost the same in other ways
[00:38] <mzz> for really quite different you can just wait for btrfs, afaik
[00:38] <JanC> mzz: exactly
[00:38] <sebsebseb> mzz: yeah  btrfs will be good as well by the sounds of it, but that will be a while yet before a stable  afaik
[00:39] <sebsebseb> also  apparantly  those  advantages I mentioned with Ext4,  are also the case for XFS, which has been around for years,  just isn't used that much
[00:39] <cybersplice> JanC: i think he means backwards compatibility in that the current e2fs tools can mount ext2, 3 or 4.
[00:39] <mzz> heh, "Proper ENOSPC handling: in progress"
[00:40] <JanC> well, ext4 has some advantages/disadvantages compared to XFS
[00:40]  * mzz doesn't want to find out what improper ENOSPC handling does
[00:40] <sebsebseb> JanC: such as?
[00:40] <JanC> cybersplice: current e2fs tools are actually ext2/3/4-tools  :-)
[00:41] <sebsebseb> JanC: also why is Ext default for most distros,  I think  someone basically said that it's, because it's the default file system from the kernel developers
[00:41] <cybersplice> JanC: Yes, indeed.
[00:41] <JanC> sebsebseb: XFS is still better at large/huge files and the like AFAIK
[00:41] <cybersplice> JanC: It's also about as solid and mature as it gets.
[00:42] <JanC> sebsebseb: ext2 was the default since forever, and ext3/4 make upgrading easy/possible
[00:42] <cybersplice> the old BeOS filesystem was interesting 128 bit with lots of interesting ideas
[00:42] <JanC> ext2/3 is also the most-tested in the real world
[00:43] <sebsebseb> JanC: sure, but  Ext3 is slow to boot, slow to shut down, and slow to disk check
[00:43] <cybersplice> To be honest, i think it's unusual filesystem becomes relevant to the user (Be you a desktop user or administrator) until you get into specific purposes.
[00:43] <mzz> cybersplice: or it breaks!
[00:43] <JanC> sebsebseb: ext3 is a lot faster to check than ext2 though
[00:43] <cybersplice> Google with their massive datacentre, for example, are more sensitive than for example my few terabytes at work.
[00:43] <sebsebseb> JanC: and Ext4  is way faster to check  than Ext3,  a few seconds or so, rather than a minute or two
[00:43] <cybersplice> mzz: Granted.
[00:43] <sebsebseb> JanC: or well more then a minute or two
[00:44] <JanC> sebsebseb: OTOH, ext3 has been around for years, unlike ext4  ;)
[00:44] <HoopyCat> generally speaking, for most people, the choice of filesystem makes no difference whatsoever from a technical/performance standpoint
[00:44] <sebsebseb> what does OTOH mean?
[00:44] <mzz> on the other hand
[00:45] <IDWMaster> I have an Acer Aspire 1 and am unable to adjust the display brightness.
[00:45] <HoopyCat> in other words, few people got fired going with the default :-)
[00:45] <IDWMaster> I've heard this is a common problem.
[00:45] <HoopyCat> s/got/get/
[00:45] <sebsebseb> JanC: sure and KDE 3 has been around for years, and it's rather great,  unfortuantly this KDE 4 thing is on the verge of replacing it,  things move on, times change.   Well apps get better in KDE 4,  but using it as  a GUI uh  the cusotmizing I would have to do etc,  rather use  KDE 3 or Gnome.
[00:45] <cybersplice> Off the top of my head.
[00:45] <cybersplice> on the other hand
[00:45] <JanC> ext3 is fast, has been around for years & is the most-used ==> it's the best choice for most people
[00:45] <cybersplice> rather
[00:45] <sebsebseb> JanC: I use some KDE apps in Gnome
[00:46] <sebsebseb> KDE 3 is mature and stable and been around for years, but yet  this KDE 4 thing uh
[00:46] <cybersplice> I have one particular legacy application for which i keep the data on a reiserfs
[00:46] <IDWMaster> Is there a good way to adjust the display brightness on an Aspire One Netbook?
[00:46] <cybersplice> because reiser handles lots of tiny files well
[00:46] <JanC> actually, many people complain that some KDE3 apps are still better than their KDE4 versions  ;)
[00:47] <JanC> so, KDE4 clearly needs some time to mature too
[00:47] <cybersplice> sebsebseb: and when KDE4 is stable has been around for years, everyone will be saying the same thing about KDE5
[00:47] <cybersplice> :D
[00:47] <sebsebseb> the old GDM  for most users has been rather fine, and they been able to theme it even :)  ,but now  even in Ubuntu the new GDM 2, that can't be themed :(   which  I am not happy about, but again  things change.   Oh and the GDM discussion was earlier.
[00:47] <cybersplice> IDWMaster: are there function keys on the KB?
[00:47] <JanC> GDM2 can be themed, just not in the way as the old GDM
[00:48] <IDWMaster> Yes, but they just send commands to the OS.
[00:48] <sebsebseb> JanC: by the sounds of it only icons and colours can be changed, which sucks
[00:48] <cybersplice> Nothing useful?
[00:48] <mom_> how do i get karmic stuff for a release party?
[00:48] <IDWMaster> No, because the OS doesn't interpret the keystrokes and can't adjust the brightness.
[00:48] <cybersplice> mom_: you can either burn your own CDs or call Canonical.
[00:48] <IDWMaster> I can't find any hardware in the ACPI code either.
[00:48] <IDWMaster> that adjusts the brightness.
[00:48] <mom_> cybersplice, well i was looking for posters and stickers and stugg
[00:49] <mom_> stuff
[00:49] <cybersplice> IDWMaster: Right click the top panel, left click add to panel, and pick the brightness applet.
[00:49] <JanC> sebsebseb: colours, icons, Gtk widgets, etc. can be changed, and maybe other stuff topo (although that's not documented yet)
[00:49] <cybersplice> mom_: ah. call Canonical, see if they'll help you out./
[00:49] <leleobhz> how can i reenable the instant messenger on taskbar within karmic
[00:49] <JanC> s/topo/too/
[00:49] <HoopyCat> sebsebseb:  if my GUI breaks because of a bug, oh well.  if my filesystem breaks because of a bug, it's gonna be coffee and whiskey time with the backup tapes
[00:49] <sebsebseb> JanC: well I hope they put something in the release notes about themeing the new GDM 2 or something
[00:50] <cybersplice> HoopyCat: I admire your pragmatism.
[00:50] <sebsebseb> HoopyCat: What's your point, that it's easy for you to sort out problems?
[00:50] <cybersplice> HoopyCat: In my case it tends to be scream at my minions and throw DVDs across the room. :D
[00:50] <IDWMaster> The brightness applet doesn't work.
[00:50] <JanC> sebsebseb: the new gdm docs aren't written yet, probably because some stuff about it might still change
[00:51] <sebsebseb> JanC: well  having KDM instead,  seems to also mess up, upstart or whatever it's called
[00:51] <sebsebseb> JanC: yeah  it's not there on boot up with KDM, I seem to get it on shut down though
[00:51] <first-irc-name> how do you disable gdm completely and just login to a vt & startx?
[00:51] <sebsebseb> JanC: Any idea if there is a way to have the old  GDM in Karmic?
[00:52] <JanC> first-irc-name: uninstall gdm?
[00:52] <cybersplice> IDWMaster: I don't see any bugs listed about that, you might try the forums see if anyone has encountered this issue before.
[00:52] <HoopyCat> sebsebseb:  no, that there's different criteria for considering the stability of various layers of a system... if KDE breaks, i'm not going to lose any data, so there's a lot less risk in trying new/different things at that level, vs. trying new/different filesystems :-)
[00:52] <JanC> sebsebseb: you could backport the jaunty packages, but taht would also involve writing your own upstart scripts etc.
[00:53] <sebsebseb> JanC: which  I woudn't know how to do
[00:53] <IDWMaster> cybersplice: I've checked the forums already. The solutions didn't work.
[00:53] <IDWMaster> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=960694
[00:53] <sebsebseb> HoopyCat: well  yeah
[00:54] <JanC> sebsebseb: so use the new GDM, honestly, the GDM theme is something you see once every month if you don't run the development release  ;)
[00:54] <IDWMaster> How can I open a bug report on the problem?
[00:54] <sebsebseb> JanC: if you don't run the development release heh
[00:54] <IDWMaster> Do I just send it as a kernel error report, or a problem with the brightness applet?
[00:55] <cybersplice> IDWMaster: you'd need to file a bug against the relevant package on the Launchpad website.
[00:55] <sebsebseb> JanC: well once or twice or whatever I been kicked out for whatever reason back to the log in screen whilst testing Karmic
[00:55] <sebsebseb> JanC: also I don't leave my computer on most of the time,  I do turn it off :)
[00:55] <IDWMaster> Which package do I report it as; it seems to be a problem with Ubuntu itself.
[00:55] <JanC> you can still sleep/hibernate then  ;)
[00:56] <sebsebseb> JanC: yes  last time  I tried my sleep seemed to pretty much work,  not exactly like Vista though
[00:56] <HoopyCat> cybersplice:  for what it's worth, breaking X when using one of these newfangled widescreen monitors sucks.  16x9 makes text mode font biiiiig.  :-)
[00:56] <jimpop> anybody know how to change the gdm login prompt background color?
[00:57] <sebsebseb> JanC: ,but yes I might  start sleeping more on Ubuntu,  then again  logging in is  on  a daily or sort of daily basis,  and  I don't have to see the screen for long,  however would be nice to have a theme I like on it
[00:57] <JanC> sleep didn't work on XP & Vista either, last time I tried it on a couple of Dell laptops  ;)
[00:57] <sebsebseb> JanC: upstart scripts aye?  So  when KDM is done,  these upstart scripts as in how it deals with the boot up?  that probably messes up?
[00:57] <sebsebseb> JanC: sleep works  beautifluly on this desktop in Vista
[00:57] <cybersplice> HoopyCat: Eeeeew.
[00:58] <cybersplice> HoopyCat: Not as bad as ballsing up a PERC Card somehow.
[00:58] <cybersplice> :D
[00:59] <twoheadedboy> can anyone help me with setting up my wireless in 9.10 beta? I'm using Jockey and it finds the driver but it doesn't work...1st time I tried it crashed at the end to the point where I had to reinstall the kernel, now it just doesn't work at all
[00:59] <HoopyCat> cybersplice:  very true.  :-)
[01:00] <sebsebseb> JanC: Thanks for answering most of my questions :)
[01:01] <cybersplice> JanC: This D630 hibernates better under Tux than it does under Windows.
[01:02] <mzz> this old laptop seems to hibernate just fine, although I've had it wake up for no obvious reason if I let it sleep
[01:03] <mzz> the main thing about hibernate that bugs me is there's no progress bar
[01:04] <cybersplice> Biggest problem for me is that if i shut it sometimes it doesnt' go to sleep under XP. Works fine in karmic, tho!
[01:04] <fantasticulous> hey how do I enable full duplex in karmic?
[01:05] <dajhorn> fantasticulous: It should be enabled by default.  You can force it with the `ethtool` program.
[01:05] <fantasticulous> no, i mean sound full duplex, not ethernet
[01:05] <fantasticulous> i want to hear the mic in the speakers
[01:05] <fantasticulous> (Actually it's line-in)
[01:06] <twoheadedboy> can anyone help me with wireless, broadcom sta?
[01:06] <cybersplice> fantasticulous: that's not line in, that's just your mic being muted for playback
[01:06] <twoheadedboy> I had this working in 9.04 but even then it was a process
[01:06] <JanC> twoheadedboy: try the hardware drivers applet?
[01:07] <twoheadedboy> yes that's what I'm doing
[01:07] <twoheadedboy> that applet == jockey-kde, right?
[01:07] <twoheadedboy> (I'm in KDE, btw)
[01:07] <JanC> well, I guess on Kubuntu, yes
[01:08] <JanC> you can also try to use b43-fwcutter manually I suppose
[01:08] <fantasticulous> cybersplice: no, before i used to be able to hear the input in the speakers, after upgrading i can't
[01:08] <cybersplice> fantasticulous: Most people wouldn't enable that by default.
[01:08] <cybersplice> fantasticulous: i take it you've googled it?
[01:08] <fantasticulous> not really..
[01:09] <fantasticulous> but nvm, i'll just use a real-time software app to output to the speakers
[01:09] <twoheadedboy> if you look at bug 448164 I have the same issue, difference being upon uninstallation of the indicated file, it still doesn't work for me
[01:09] <jonLappy> is there a way to downgrade a computer from 9.10 to 9.04 from the livecd?
[01:10] <jonLappy> I ask this because I upgraded my desktop to 9.10 and mouse and keyboard function stopped.  This is a known bug and doesn't appear to have a fix on the way yet so I need to downgrade.
[01:10] <mzz> !downgrades
[01:10] <mzz> !downgrade
[01:10] <jonLappy> =\
[01:10] <timber> somebody is having trouble with the panel?
[01:10] <jonLappy> Is there a way to install ubuntu 9.04 but keep my /home folder?
[01:11] <timber> my panel is gone
[01:11] <sebsebseb> jonLappy: yes as long as it's seperate
[01:11] <sebsebseb> !home |  jonLappy
[01:12] <sebsebseb> timber: which panel is gone?
[01:12] <sebsebseb> both?
[01:13] <timber> sebsebseb, yeah, both
[01:13] <mzz> (but I'm not sure sharing a homedir is a good idea, for much the same reason downgrades are a bad idea)
[01:13] <timber> sebsebseb, i use them hide
[01:13] <mzz> although I guess karmic never touched your homedir, so you should be ok
[01:13] <sebsebseb> timber: maybe logging out and back in again, and it will be there
[01:13] <jonLappy> sebsebseb: thank you
[01:13] <cybersplice> jonLappy: whack your homedir on an external or something and blast the box
[01:13] <sebsebseb> jonLappy: np
[01:14] <mzz> hmm, how to log out gracefully without a panel
[01:14] <cybersplice> mzz: can you alt f2?
[01:14] <timber> sebsebseb, i don't know why, but seems that the programs that are open are over the panel
[01:14] <mzz> sure, but I also still have a panel :P
[01:14] <timber> sebsebseb, that's why i can't see the panels
[01:14] <mzz> ah, so they're actually still there?
[01:15] <timber> yeah
[01:15] <sebsebseb> timber: maybe it's there just autohide and transparant
[01:15] <timber> they are here
[01:15] <cybersplice> Gotta go, folks. Going to have my kittens gentials gouged out.
[01:15] <sebsebseb> timber: right click on the panel and change settings?
[01:15] <cybersplice> HF!
[01:15] <timber> sebsebseb, i changed, i use them hide with some transparency
[01:17] <sebsebseb> ok
[01:18] <timber> sebsebseb, do you know what i have to do?
[01:18] <sebsebseb> timber: no
[01:19] <timber> sebsebseb, unchecking the autohide option, the panel appear...i guess that's what i have to do =/
[01:20] <sebsebseb> timber: that's what I meant by change settings
[01:20] <timber> sebsebseb, i understand...i'll look if someone reported a bug
[01:25] <Fanfare> Hi Folks, having trouble with console resolution after karmic upgrade... afaik vga=xxx is not supported anymore? hot to get console back?
[01:26] <timber> =/ if i turn off and then turn on the Normal effects on appearance, the panels come up normally
[01:26] <[31d1]_> damn you GMA500
[01:29] <evilaim> Some times my SMPlayer just stops playing the movie...
[01:29] <evilaim> I fast forward a lil and it goes then freezes...
[01:29] <evilaim> I rewind it goes for a second then stops...
[01:29] <evilaim> any idears?
[01:29] <evilaim> 9.10 beta daily build
[01:36] <BluesKaj> evilaim, yeah install VLC , SMPlayer is flaky on karmic
[01:36] <timber> BluesKaj, evilaim but there's some problems with VLC on karmic
[01:37] <BluesKaj> timber, I haven't encountered any , but that also depends on your graphics card and setup
[01:39] <timber> BluesKaj, hmm, here on my PC the screensaver come up while the VLC is executing a movie
[01:39] <timber> BluesKaj, i have to disable the screensaver to use the program
[01:39] <BluesKaj> timber, that;s a kubuntu wide problem , not just karmic
[01:40] <BluesKaj> dunno why the devs don't fix it
[01:40] <timber> BluesKaj, i'm using gnome
[01:40] <BluesKaj> ok ubuntu
[01:40] <BluesKaj> same prob
[01:41] <timber> BluesKaj, do you know anything about a problem with the gnome panels? here the programs overlap the panels and they doesn't appear
[01:41] <BluesKaj> timber, no...sorry :P
[01:41] <BluesKaj> I run kde
[01:42] <timber> BluesKaj, ok, thanks
[01:44] <BluesKaj> I haven't watched a movie on my pc for ages, guess I should check it out
[01:45] <evilaim> awe
[01:45] <evilaim> blues, I can't
[01:45] <evilaim> not compatible with my setup:(
[01:46] <timber> i watch some movie or series every day, =P
[01:47] <BluesKaj> I transfer them to our Tivo , watch them on TV in stead
[01:47] <evilaim> I used vdpau and I don't think vlc is capable of that
[01:49] <timber> somebody can tell me if there's a way to change the subtitle's color on totem?
[01:49] <timber> i don't like white subtitle.
[01:52] <evilaim> just google meng
[02:02] <dumbby> is there a way to have grub 2 to boot next entry if the current entry fail to boot?
[02:06] <Dr_Willis> that would be a neat trick
[02:10] <Xgates> File-roller says it supports 7z but when I click a .7z pkg is says it's not supported
[02:11] <Xgates> lzma is also installed I thought that and file-roller would open a .7z
[02:11] <xerophyte> I am trying to install Ubuntu Karmic beta, downloaded the image from http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/  this link but when i trying to install it .. its asking me put the cd 2 .. just wondering where is the image for cd2?
[02:11] <Xgates> no cd2
[02:12] <xerophyte> Xgates: why does the install request it ?
[02:12] <Xgates> messed up iso maybe download here --->  http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/beta
[02:13] <genii> Perhaps you previously used something like apt-cdrom to add other cds and it still wants to use them
[02:13] <Xgates> so is file-roller and lzma suppose to open .7z?
[02:13] <xerophyte> Xgates: its ays "Please insert the disc labeled" Ubuntu 9.10 _Karmic Koala_ - Beta amd64 (20090929.2)' in the drive /cdrom/ and press enter
[02:14] <Jeruvy> I haven't downloaded it but what does the karmic dvd have that the cd doesn't?
[02:14] <Xgates> xerophyte: where you live and you want amd64?
[02:14] <xerophyte> genii: this is new windows box i am trying to fresh install
[02:15] <genii> xerophyte: This message also happens when it can't find what driver to use for the chipset which controls the CD drive. (some Marvell and NForce SATA chipsets for instance)
[02:15] <Xgates> xerophyte:  try that or another USA mirror http://mirrors.easynews.com/linux/ubuntu-releases/9.10/ubuntu-9.10-beta-desktop-amd64.iso
[02:15] <Spirit-Sight> I don't have icon in my tray for empathy, anyone having this issue?
[02:16] <Xgates> xerophyte: when the other mirrors popup if you need to change be sure to use the 'Desktop CD' iso
[02:16] <BluesKaj> Spirit-Sight, right click on it in your applications list and add it to your panel
[02:16] <xerophyte> Xgates: what is the different? your link  http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/beta points http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/
[02:17] <Xgates> Stupid Empathy shouldn't be listed in the Email envelop with Evolution also that shutdown button is stupid too with the 'Set Status' on it, what is this some IM OS now? LOL
[02:18] <xerophyte> i think this install screwed :(
[02:19] <Xgates> xerophyte: just start here like I said before ---->  http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/beta pick a mirror then when you go to download the iso just make sure you pick the 'Desktop CD' iso is all....
[02:19] <xerophyte> Xgates: i did that .. do you have iso downloaded yourself .. i can give the md5sum if you want to verify
[02:20] <Xgates> show me the LINK you downloaded
[02:21] <xerophyte> i think http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/ubuntu-9.10-beta-desktop-amd64.iso
[02:22] <dotblank> wow
[02:22] <dotblank> big bug guys
[02:22]  * Dr_Willis gives dotblank  eyedrops
[02:22] <dotblank> You know how the new installer has hyperlinks in it?
[02:23] <Dr_Willis> and weedkiller
[02:23] <Dr_Willis> :)
[02:23]  * genii hands Dr_Willis more coffee
[02:23] <Dr_Willis> cant say that i noticed dotblank ... then again.. i start installer...  and go get coffee
[02:23] <dotblank> well I just ran "install ubuntu" option on live cd in VM
[02:24] <dotblank> well all is well until I decide to click a hyperlink
[02:24] <dotblank> it launces firefox and it has some major issues
[02:25] <dotblank> "Install ubuntu" isnt supposed to have all that extra crap loaded. the bug is that a normal user who clicks it will be greated by xulrunner errors
[02:26] <dotblank> We need to disable those hyperlinks when the install only option is selected
[02:26] <dotblank> otherwise....
[02:26] <xerophyte> Xgates: may be that iso has some bugs
[02:26] <xerophyte> or genii said may be Ubuntu install disk not able to find the driver.. but did it boot it off it
[02:27] <Spirit-Sight> BluesKaj: how does that fix the issue, when the app is running it use to be in the tray and it also told you when you have msg mine does not do this now
[02:27] <genii> It will boot but then when it goes to scan the cd it tries to use standard IDE type drivers for the bus the cd drive is attached to
[02:27] <genii> A workaround for this particular prob is to use an external USB CD drive
[02:29] <xerophyte> genii: trying to do the expert install
[02:29] <xerophyte> lets see
[02:30] <BluesKaj> Spirit-Sight, i see a lot of questions about empathy problems , not launching etc ... try google linux to research it
[02:31] <Xgates> xerophyte: well I asked before where you live? USA? and what platform you using? Intel or AMD?
[02:32] <xerophyte> Xgates: Canada,AMD64
[02:32] <xerophyte> looks like installer screwed up
[02:33] <xerophyte> i am back to the point asking for cd
[02:33] <Xgates> xerophyte: ok get a FRESH cd and burn this ----->  http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/ubuntu-releases/9.10/ubuntu-9.10-beta-desktop-amd64.iso
[02:33]  * BluesKaj is Canada amd64 as well
[02:34] <BluesKaj> don't think amd 64 here is any different than anywhere else tho :)
[02:34] <xerophyte> Xgates: what does it make differnt?
[02:35] <xerophyte> Xgates: i don't think anything wrong with image
[02:35] <genii> When it says "Please insert the disc labeled" Ubuntu 9.10 _Karmic Koala_ - Beta amd64 (20090929.2)" it's not asking for some second CD, it's asking for the CD which is already in there, it just can't understand where the cd drive is attached to the computer, etc etc
[02:35] <Xgates> xerophyte: I don't know but just download that one and give it a go
[02:35]  * genii waits for the failure report with same issue on that CD
[02:35] <Dr_Willis> I tend to just use unetbootin and flash drives these days. :)
[02:36] <Xgates> yeah maybe what genii is saying your cdrom is failing somewhere on it
[02:36] <Dr_Willis> but this ONE box fails to boot any flash drive i toss in it..  Even tho they all boot all the other machines..
[02:36] <xerophyte> genii: hmmm i see the cd mounted good
[02:36] <xerophyte> genii:
[02:36] <quiescens> it just does it out of spite, dr_willis
[02:37] <werfact> xerophyte, maybe the burn is corrupt?
[02:37] <xerophyte> hmmm
[02:37] <Xgates> most of the time it's just a bad cd
[02:38] <xerophyte> does the check disk verify the image?
[02:39] <werfact> xerophyte, yeah
[02:40] <xerophyte> hm  growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/scd0=ubuntu-9.10-beta-alternate-amd64.iso
[02:40] <xerophyte> this is how i burned it from different ubuntu box
[02:40] <Dr_Willis> burning an cd iso image to a dvd.. hmm?
[02:41] <MTecknology> Where can I pull down the kernel source and default .config?
[02:41] <xerophyte> Dr_Willis: does that make any differnt
[02:41] <xerophyte> just wondering may be it does
[02:42] <Dr_Willis> xerophyte:  I imagine it could.
[02:42] <evilaim> *installs mIRC in wine...*(
[02:42] <evilaim> I'm cool!
[02:42] <Dr_Willis> it Might be changeing the cd 'label' when its doing it.
[02:42]  * Dr_Willis slaps evilaim  with a trout
[02:42] <evilaim> thanks dr
[02:42] <evilaim> I just about lost my mind for a sec there;)
[02:43] <Dr_Willis> The fluunder wasent fresh
[02:43] <BluesKaj> cool? ..drunk on wine maybe , evilaim :)
[02:43]  * evilaim slaps a large trout around a bit with Dr_Willis *
[02:43] <Dr_Willis> Last i heard - mirc had 'stuff' in it that broke it in wine.
[02:43] <Dr_Willis> but i found mirc - annoying ages ago when i last tried it. :P
[02:43] <evilaim> I was just being a douche
[02:43] <evilaim> I use irssi
[02:44]  * Dr_Willis set all his irc clients to say they were 'mIRC beta 3.0001 - get your copy at xchat.org '
[02:44] <Dr_Willis> :)
[02:44] <evilaim> movr
[02:44] <evilaim> nice*
[02:44] <Dr_Willis> Random Version replies.. the good old days
[02:44] <evilaim> I wonder if they still have those brutal graphical chat programs...
[02:44] <evilaim> like, where everyone has an avatar...
[02:44] <evilaim> and you can walk around and shit...
[02:44] <Dr_Willis> Not sene them lately
[02:45] <BluesKaj> oh lord , ICQ!
[02:45] <Dr_Willis> Oh wait.. thats now called 'World of WarCraft' :P
[02:47] <evilaim> icq?
[02:47] <evilaim> man, that's a bit old school
[02:47] <evilaim> it even still around?
[02:47] <BluesKaj> dunno
[02:47] <genii> Yup
[02:47] <BluesKaj> haven't used it in 10yrs
[02:48] <evilaim> ya, been that long for me...
[02:48] <evilaim> Microsoft really won the protocal battle of the 90s
[02:48] <evilaim> haha
[02:48] <genii> I use my old ICQ under pidgin
[02:48] <evilaim> was yahoo, icq, msn, aim...
[02:48] <evilaim> msn raped them all
[02:48] <BluesKaj> forgotten all my pws and usernames
[02:49] <Dr_Willis> IM clients.. doubling in size every 6mo.... :)
[02:49] <evilaim> I'm pretty sure since I was like.. 14 or 15... they were something about boobs...
[02:50] <BluesKaj> google wave ...looks like a real busybody's delight :)
[02:50] <evilaim> haha
[02:50] <evilaim> Ya, I'm waiting for a pass
[02:50] <evilaim> hopefully I get it:(
[02:50] <quiescens> you got the msn client automatically in certain versions of windows didn't you?
[02:50] <evilaim> all versions
[02:50] <Dr_Willis> thats anohter one of those things that will be called 'beta' for the next 4 years right...
[02:50] <genii> Pretty much all of em since 3.11
[02:50]  * BluesKaj wait's for the off topic cop
[02:51] <BluesKaj> err waits
[02:52] <evilaim> blues, I was thinkin' the same thing
[02:52] <evilaim> haha
[02:52] <Dr_Willis> Its OT waiting to be yelled at for OT.
[02:52] <evilaim> but how can we have a topic, if no one has any questions?
[02:52] <tj83> any secrets to getting the daily build live cd to run?
[02:52] <evilaim> ?
[02:52] <evilaim> put it in and let it go?
[02:52] <tj83> i try to boot it up, i get black screen
[02:53] <HoopyCat> tj83:  try various days until you find a day that doesn't have a showstopper bug on your platform, then file a bug :-)
[02:53] <tj83> i try vga=option and i get the desktop for about 2 sec
[02:53] <evilaim> or, just get a desktop version
[02:53] <joshua[root]> X is DOA on karmic for me, now what?
[02:53] <evilaim> and use upgrades
[02:53] <BluesKaj> got a google wave invite from a cousin , but I refused , Ill wait til it's more mature
[02:53] <tj83> I generate a xorg.conf and put vesa same
[02:54] <evilaim> I never did understand...
[02:54] <evilaim> people get daily builds and they don't work..
[02:55] <evilaim> and wonder why...
[02:55] <evilaim> why don't you get the beta?
[02:55] <evilaim> you can just do sudo apt-get upgrade and keep it going daily..
[02:55] <tj83> evilaim, URL to download proper iso?
[02:55] <evilaim> presto, daily build
[02:55] <joshua[root]> fatal server error no screens found
[02:55] <evilaim> 1 tick
[02:56] <evilaim> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/
[02:56] <evilaim> it's the beta;)
[02:56] <tj83> evilaim, ty
[02:56] <evilaim> no worries
[02:56] <joshua[root]> I'm kind of stuck as I upgraded as I needed a fix to a core package that was in karmic
[02:56] <evilaim> and, if that doesn't work, you could always install 9.04... and do a dist-upgrade
[02:57] <evilaim> josh, what?
[02:57] <evilaim> too many "as I"'s...
[02:58] <tj83> evilaim, I had a working install from alpha5 and been updating... but i need to do some wifi driver testing and thought i would start clean... now it has proven chore to get re-installed
[02:58] <evilaim> Ya, i'd try to fresh install the beta
[02:58] <evilaim> it seems pretty stable
[02:58] <evilaim> are you 64bit or 32 bit?
[02:58] <joshua[root]> 64 bit
[02:58] <evilaim> ya, me too
[02:58] <evilaim> and my install is mint...
[02:59] <evilaim> but I'm also not on wifi
[02:59] <joshua[root]> is there an X fallback driver somewhere?
[02:59] <evilaim> I'm on a tower
[02:59] <quiescens> the only issues I've had are suspend/resume
[02:59] <quiescens> its always suspend/resume
[02:59] <evilaim> quiescens: hibarnate is crippling to a system
[02:59] <evilaim> josh, what video card?
[03:00] <quiescens> hibernate fails about as often
[03:00] <quiescens> roughly 20% of the time, it will just freeze when waking up
[03:00] <joshua[root]> nVidia C77
[03:00] <quiescens> i try not to use hibernate anyway, it takes so long to write the entirety of ram to disk
[03:02] <joshua[root]> shouldn't the framebuffer driver work?
[03:02] <joshua[root]> I've got CPU to burn
[03:02] <Dr_Willis> I was thinking the framebuffer was blacklisted for many cards.
[03:04] <joshua[root]> ok reading log files suggests I'm getting a bad error message due to HAL or somesuch
[03:04] <evilaim> josh, you mean the 8300?
[03:04] <evilaim> type: lspci | grep VGA
[03:04] <evilaim> and paste results here
[03:05] <joshua[root]> its the 8200
[03:05] <evilaim> There you go;)
[03:05] <joshua[root]> Integrated video,
[03:06] <evilaim> ok josh
[03:06] <evilaim> your issue seems to be Gnome
[03:06] <joshua[root]> the X log file says it can't find keyboard either
[03:06] <evilaim> install KDE:)
[03:06] <joshua[root]> I have KDE
[03:06] <evilaim> wtf
[03:06] <joshua[root]> Ctrl+Alt+F1 didn't work so...
[03:08] <joshua[root]> I was using the VESA driver before
[03:08] <evilaim> Oh, well, there you go
[03:08] <evilaim> it's a known bug
[03:09] <joshua[root]> now what?
[03:09] <joshua[root]> I use the VESA driver because the nVidia driver doesn't work
[03:10] <joshua[root]> but after the upgrade I can't seem to get it to use the VESA driver
[03:10] <evilaim> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nv/+bug/413439
[03:10] <evilaim> Nothing
[03:10] <thiebaude> joshua[root], which nvidia do you have?
[03:10] <evilaim> the NV driver doesn't support the 8200
[03:10] <evilaim> you should be waiting for another release to have fixed it...
[03:10] <evilaim> that's some shitty bones
[03:11] <joshua[root]> I know, last release didn't work with with nvidia driver either
[03:11] <joshua[root]> Last release accepted the VESA driver
[03:11] <evilaim> That is soooo weird...
[03:12] <joshua[root]> know how to force it to vesa?
[03:12] <evilaim>  (WW) NV: Ignoring unsupported device 0x10de0849 (C77 [GeForce 8200]) at 02@00:00:0
[03:12] <evilaim> edit it in your x.org
[03:12] <thiebaude> joshua[root], im using nvidia 8400
[03:12] <evilaim> then CTRL+ALT+BACK SPACE
[03:12] <evilaim> I got the 8500 GT
[03:13] <evilaim> josh, check yur xorg log
[03:13] <thiebaude> joshua[root], did you do System-Administration-hardware drivers?
[03:13] <Omar87> Hi all.
[03:14] <spirit-sight> why would the system not be booting use the new kernel? 2.6.31-13 it seem to be sticking with -12
[03:14] <joshua[root]> what?
[03:14] <evilaim> josh, go to /var/log/
[03:15] <joshua[root]> there
[03:15] <evilaim> and sudo nano xorg.0.log
[03:15] <joshua[root]> ...
[03:15] <evilaim> scroll down till you see the error on your card
[03:15] <evilaim> sry
[03:15] <evilaim> and sudo nano Xorg.0.log
[03:15] <Omar87> I keep seeing a blue fuzzily dotted line laying horizontally cutting the screen in two halves at bootup.
[03:15] <drs305> spirit-sight: Whats the Default setting in /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[03:16] <spirit-sight> also is any others having issues with alt-tab not working? one sec drs305
[03:16] <evilaim> well, it might be an issue with the new grub
[03:16] <evilaim> grub beta 3 comes with karma
[03:16] <joshua[root]> LoadModule "nv"
[03:16] <joshua[root]> lots of stuff
[03:16] <HoopyCat> spirit-sight:  is it listed in /boot/grub/menu.lst ?  is there a /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-13-* ?
[03:17] <evilaim> OH!
[03:17] <joshua[root]> "no screens found"
[03:17] <evilaim> Can I vote on names for 10.04?
[03:17] <evilaim> LuLu Lemon
[03:17] <HoopyCat> evilaim:  already picked, i believe.  maybe for future ones...
[03:17] <evilaim> :)
[03:17] <evilaim> noooo
[03:17] <evilaim> LuLu Lemons!
[03:17] <HoopyCat> evilaim:  a lemon is also not an animal.
[03:17] <grodius> hello karmic friends i just installed the beta and now i have a dock thingy with gnome-do and i have no idea where to change the settings for it... can anyone help me out?
[03:17] <evilaim> LuLu Lion?
[03:18] <evilaim> Lucid Lynx?
[03:18] <Dai> evilaim: lucid lynx
[03:18] <evilaim> that's a dumb name
[03:18] <Dai> yeah
[03:18] <evilaim> I want LuLu Lion
[03:18] <evilaim> haha
[03:18] <Dai> evilaim: and lulu lion?  think about that for just a moment
[03:18] <grodius> thats a tight name
[03:20] <drs305> spirit-sight: Just realized I gave you the cfg file. The settings are in /etc/default/grub
[03:20] <Omar87> I keep seeing a blue fuzzily dotted line laying horizontally cutting the screen in two halves at bootup.
[03:21] <spirit-sight> HoopyCat: yes it does appear to be in /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-13-
[03:21] <joshua[root]> well fbdev did something
[03:21] <joshua[root]> falling back to old probe method
[03:21] <joshua[root]> maybe that requires something in kernel
[03:21] <spirit-sight> drs305:  it says set default="0"
[03:22] <evilaim> Why Wouldn't LuLu Lion not be cool?
[03:22] <evilaim> Imagine the logos!
[03:22] <joshua[root]> my Xorg.log.1 says it used VESA so that should work
[03:22] <joshua[root]> but it won't takeit
[03:22] <jbroome> evilaim: Because i imagine lulu.com would be pissed
[03:22] <drs305> Is -13 the first entry in /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[03:23] <HoopyCat> spirit-sight:  "grep ^title /boot/grub/menu.lst" will display the kernels that grub knows about... should be automagically added
[03:23] <evilaim> haha
[03:23] <evilaim> so?
[03:23] <drs305> spirit-sight: Grub or Grub 2
[03:23] <evilaim> screw em, we're linux damnit!
[03:23] <evilaim> Seriously, I'd just tune me out
[03:24] <evilaim> I'm completely bored
[03:24] <evilaim> wtf...
[03:24] <evilaim> g-nome?
[03:24] <evilaim> Should the just be pronounced nome...
[03:24] <evilaim> shouldn't that*
[03:24] <HoopyCat> oh heck, 9.04->9.10 upgrades don't automagically use the new grub, do they... my reference box looks too sane and sensible
[03:25] <evilaim> nope
[03:25] <evilaim> and it doesn't change to ext4 either
[03:25] <spirit-sight> HoopyCat: I don't seem to find menu.lst in that dir I am using Grub2 so you know
[03:26] <drs305> spirit-sight: Grub 2:  sudo grep menulist /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[03:26] <HoopyCat> spirit-sight:  i am looking at an upgraded box, my bad :-)
[03:27] <drs305> Sorry wrong line:  sudo cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg | grep menuentry
[03:27] <HoopyCat> drs305:  sudo grep menuentry /boot/grub/grub.cfg   ... only you can stop piping cats :-)
[03:27] <CShadowRun> Hi, I'm currently upgrading to 9.10 using sudo update-manager -d, it's downloaded all the files, and now it's hanging at "Getting new packages, Fetching file 1842 of 1842"
[03:28] <drs305> Yeah, it's a habit.
[03:28] <CShadowRun> theres no eta anymore, the bar is all the way across, and i'm not doing any network traffic, so it's not actually getting anything
[03:28] <evilaim> lol
[03:28] <evilaim> There's an organization called "Ubuntu Edmonton"
[03:28] <evilaim> That's naughty
[03:28] <joshua[root]> I'm really really stuck here
[03:29] <joshua[root]> the VESA driver is the correct driver but it won't try it
[03:29] <evilaim> josh, I told you, it's not supported...
[03:29] <joshua[root]> it worked in jaunty
[03:30] <spirit-sight> drs305: I don't seem to be finding that file?
[03:30] <drs305> spirit-sight: You are using Grub 2?
[03:30] <drs305> Did you clean install or upgrade spirit-sight
[03:31] <aprilhare> hello
[03:31] <evilaim> halo
[03:31] <HoopyCat> joshua[root]:  there's a reported bug on it; i recommend adding your findings and subscribing to it.
[03:32]  * aprilhare is sick and tired of compiz.real crashing on login but being unable to report the crash
[03:32] <bcurtiswx> anyone getting skipping movies from any movie playing source?
[03:32] <aprilhare> and HPLIP keeps on whinging it doesn't detect the system tray on the system
[03:32] <joshua[root]> all right, so how do I pull an old package?
[03:33] <aprilhare> bcurtiswx: i get skipping more on x64 alpha flash
[03:33] <aprilhare> especially on fullscreen
[03:33] <spirit-sight> drs305: ok I did the cmd now what it did not give back anyinfo
[03:33] <drs305> spirit-sight: Grub  or Grub 2 ?  If you don't know:  grub-install -v
[03:33] <aprilhare> and i find games skip when i do run compiz, so i tend not to anymore
[03:33] <aprilhare> compiz is fail
[03:33] <bcurtiswx> aprilhare.. could be compiz.. testing when its off
[03:34] <aprilhare> bcurtiswx: thats easy enough. it crashes on login
[03:34] <spirit-sight> drs305: ok it does not show -13 in it
[03:34] <aprilhare> so i never run compiz anymore :) only found out recently when I did start it and tried a game
[03:34] <drs305> spirit-sight: update-grub should have run when the kernel was installed, but you can run it again:   sudo update-grub
[03:35] <aprilhare> it's the little bugs that are building up but there appears to be no way to report them
[03:35] <IdleOne> evilaim: what is naughty about ubuntu edmonton? they help women and kids affected by the genocide in rwanda
[03:35] <evilaim> because they have the same name
[03:35] <aprilhare> firefox is fail when dealing with downloaded files (not the actual downloading; dealing with the files afterwards)
[03:36] <IdleOne> Ubuntu is an African word
[03:36] <aprilhare> and firefox search bar is fail
[03:36] <evilaim> I'm surprised they aren't sueing eachother
[03:36] <aprilhare> evilaim: why sue when they could cooperate
[03:36] <spirit-sight> drs305: sorry throught I answered grub verison 2
[03:36] <IdleOne> yeah a non profit organisation is going to get sued by Canonical. lmao
[03:36] <evilaim> I ain't saying they should
[03:36] <aprilhare> evilaim: ubuntu on laptops for schools in rwanda
[03:36] <evilaim> just saying I'm surprised they haven't
[03:37] <HoopyCat> joshua[root]:  it would involve some aptitude and/or apt-get magic; your best bet at this point might well be to restore to the backup you made before upgrading, 'tho there might probably be an easier way
[03:37] <drs305> spirit-sight: So have you rerun update-grub?
[03:37] <IdleOne> that puts out a free OS in the spirit of humans being humane to each other
[03:37] <bcurtiswx> nope not compiz
[03:37] <bcurtiswx> still skips when off
[03:37] <aprilhare> evilaim: i'm australian so i'm not - i get surprised when ppl go down the american route and sue
[03:37] <spirit-sight> drs305:  its says "Your /usr is broken, please fix it before call this wrapper!
[03:38] <spirit-sight> "
[03:38] <HoopyCat> evilaim:  under what grounds could a lawsuit ensue?  trademarks are generally fairly specific.
[03:38] <joshua[root]> that did it, installed old version of xserver-xorg-core from jaunty, system up
[03:38] <joshua[root]> how do I pin this package?
[03:38] <IdleOne> I bet Canonical has donated funds to them
[03:38] <drs305> spirit-sight: I"ve seen several of those today but don't know what the fix was. Let me check the UF.
[03:38] <billybigrigger> bootup and login are finally starting to come together
[03:38] <billybigrigger> looking good
[03:38] <joshua[root]> so the updater doesn't ever update it
[03:39] <HoopyCat> joshua[root]:  i'd have to look it up, but now that life is good, i think synaptic has an easy pointy-clicky way to do it...
[03:39]  * jimpop is amazed at how many jaunty pkgs are sovling karmic problems.  One would think Ubuntu development would be forward looking
[03:40] <aprilhare> my webcam worked under jaunty with 2.6.30 kernel. it doesn't under karmic
[03:40] <quiescens> well, in jaunty this laptop could freeze on resume every time and now it freezes only 1 in 4 or 5 times!
[03:40] <joshua[root]> it selected VESA as a fallback & worked
[03:40] <jimpop> Ubuntu Hibernation should be suing each other
[03:40] <drs305> spirit-sight: if you can get to the web, here is a thread. Suggestions but definite fixes but several suggestions   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1284722#11
[03:41] <drs305> * no definite fixes
[03:41] <HoopyCat> jimpop:  temporary workarounds make the world go around.  just as long as the bugs get fixed, it's all good...
[03:41] <jimpop> ha
[03:41] <jimpop> if bugs were getting fixed the forums would be getting quieter
[03:41] <HoopyCat> joshua[root]:  i would make sure to add that to the bug report.  might help someone else :-)
[03:41] <jimpop> they should have fixed all the Jaunty bugs before moving on to Karmic
[03:42] <joshua[root]> yup synaptic has a lock version
[03:44] <joshua[root]> apt-get upgrade doesn't respect it
[03:46] <drs305> spirit-sight: Nothing I can find is definitive. If you can try reinstalling grub-common and grub-pc  grub2
[03:46] <joshua[root]> anybody know how to hard-pin a package version?
[03:47] <HoopyCat> joshua[root]:  man apt_preferences looks pretty comprehensive (in other words, i'm sure the answer is in there... somewhere).  been awhile since i've had to do it, and every time i do it i have to look it up :-/
[03:47] <drs305> joshua[root]:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[03:47] <dtchen> use dpkg --set-selections
[03:48] <HoopyCat> or heck, there we go.  <3 help.ubuntu.com
[03:49] <[31d1]_> i'm getting gcc: Internal error: Segmentation fault (program cc1) anytime i try to compile anything
[03:49] <[31d1]_> on a new machine, so i can't claim it used to work
[03:51] <aprilhare> joshua[root]: its even easier to hard-pin package versions in synaptic
[03:51] <jimpop> [31d1]_, it's not a bug if it didn't use to work. ;-)
[03:51] <[31d1]_> i'm hoping it's something simple and dumb i dunno
[03:52] <jimpop> i would try purging and reinstalling gcc
[03:53] <[31d1]_> ok
[03:53] <aprilhare> its asking for a partial upgrade and it's threatening to remove epiphany-gecko and epiphany-webkit-data - will this break epiphany?
[03:55] <Nafai> aprilhare: The latest epiphany uses webkit instead of gecko, so removing epiphany-gecko is expected.  I'm not sure about the other.
[03:56] <aprilhare> oh they may have joined the webkit-data up. not that i use epiphany so it's not going to be life-shaking if its broken :)
[03:56] <[31d1]_> hmm, no luck :(
[03:57] <spirit-sight> OK, I think my issue is fixed, thanks.  now the other issue is that alt-tab does not switch my apps what could cause this?
[03:58] <joshua[root]> there we go that did it
[04:01] <evilaim> Anyone else tried this 'tint2'
[04:01] <evilaim> very sexy
[04:02] <oldude67> hey whats shaken bacon?
[04:02] <billybigrigger> tint2?
[04:02] <[31d1]_> i tried gcc-4.3 and it works
[04:03] <evilaim> ya
[04:03] <oldude67> anyone else running lxde?
[04:03] <evilaim> let me screen this for you
[04:04] <oldude67> oh please no screaming, i have a headache...:(
[04:05] <evilaim> what
[04:05] <evilaim> http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4403/screenshottn.png
[04:05] <evilaim> beat that;)
[04:08] <aprilhare> brb
[04:08] <eut> hello
[04:08] <joshua__[root]> one more stupid thing
[04:09] <trip0> so i used to be able to auto login from /etc/event.d/tty1 using mingetty.  it doesn't seem to be working now?
[04:09] <evilaim> It's a VERY basic code structure.  But with it just as a window list, it's very nice
[04:09] <joshua__[root]> the system doesn't boot unless I select the recovery boot option
[04:09] <trip0> does this have to do with the move to upstart?
[04:10] <billybigrigger> joshua__[root], what kernel?
[04:10] <eut> is there a 'ubuntu way' to install the kernel source to /usr/src/`uname -r`/build ? some drivers i want to compile depend on some kernel headers that are not in the linux-headers package
[04:10] <joshua__[root]> 2.6.31-13
[04:12] <joshua__[root]> I'm guessing its the boot graphics that does it
[04:12] <joshua__[root]> not quite sure though
[04:15] <joshua__[root]> "your system has a serious kernel problem and needs to be rebooted"
[04:15] <joshua__[root]> what the heck???
[04:16] <oldude67> i think i have to much running at the same time..im bogging this thing down way to much.:(
[04:18] <oldude67> why is it, every time i install something threw apt- or aptitude it wants to remove my gnome games??? grr...
[04:19] <tonyyarusso> How can I regenerate /usr/share/telepathy/managers/haze.manager to recognize a new protocol that was added to /usr/lib/purple-2/ ?
[04:20] <dtchen> eut: that would be a bug - either in the application or in the linux-headers-*
[04:20] <dtchen> eut: for what is the application looking?
[04:21] <spirit-sight> what happen to the update-manager in 8.10 where when it had updates, it told you in the system tray and it told you the number with out having to pop it up, also I run it once aday and it most times has updates but the system never tells me for the most part (new installs)
[04:22] <oldude67> anyone install the new updates for today? the ones with alsa and pulseaudio?
[04:23] <billybigrigger> oldude67, i did
[04:23] <eut> dtchen, drivers/ieee1394/csr1212.h
[04:23] <oldude67> hey billybigrigger did you have any problems after the install? what type of sound card are you using as well?
[04:24] <Trizicus> where is the log located for iptables?
[04:24] <billybigrigger> 00:07.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP67 High Definition Audio (rev a1)
[04:24] <dtchen> Trizicus: /var/log/{messages,syslog}
[04:25] <dtchen> Trizicus: also /var/log/kern.log
[04:25] <oldude67> billybigrigger,  the reason i asked is cause im running just an old intel sound card in my machine and intel has been having issues lately.
[04:25] <Omar87> I keep seeing a blue fuzzily dotted line laying horizontally cutting the screen in two halves at bootup.
[04:25] <billybigrigger> oldude67, checking rythmbox now, sound did work before update...
[04:25] <Trizicus> i've tried v/l/m and i see nothing in relation to firewall
[04:25] <dtchen> Trizicus: well, is iptables configured to log anything?
[04:26] <Trizicus> probably not :P
[04:26] <dtchen> eut: what app is looking for it?
[04:26] <Trizicus> if i have to turn it on then no
[04:26] <billybigrigger> oldude67, all is good here man
[04:26]  * billybigrigger pats dtchen on the back
[04:26] <billybigrigger> :P
[04:27] <dtchen> oldude67: keep in mind that for the updates to be effected, you need to log out of GNOME and back in
[04:27] <oldude67> billybigrigger, thanks for checking..ill have to see what happens i guess..
[04:27] <eut> dtchen, its looking for that header file but not finding it? what do you mean app?
[04:27] <dtchen> eut: what are you compiling that's failing on that header?
[04:27] <oldude67> dtchen, i dont run gnome , but i knew that also thanks for reminding me.
[04:28] <dtchen> oldude67: if you're not running GNOME, you need to manually killall pulseaudio
[04:28] <eut> dtchen, uvclinux (webcam driver)
[04:29] <trip0> so i used to be able to auto login from /etc/event.d/tty1 using mingetty.  it doesn't seem to be working now?
[04:29] <trip0> does this have to do with the move to upstart?
[04:29] <dtchen> eut: does it produce uvcvideo.ko?
[04:30] <eut> dtchen, yes, i believe so
[04:30] <dtchen> eut: and the version in Karmic's kernel doesn't suffice?
[04:30] <eut> dtchen, i wanted to test a camera against the latest driver
[04:30] <joshua__[root]> anybody know how to disable boot logo
[04:30] <joshua__[root]> it causes my system to not boot!
[04:31] <oldude67> should of let it alone now , pulseaudio is bogging the system down with a 100% cpu usage.;(
[04:31] <dtchen> oldude67: uhh
[04:31] <oldude67> bbiam
[04:31] <oldude67> reboot
[04:31] <dtchen> oldude67: PA or X?
[04:31] <oldude67> grrr
[04:32] <dtchen> oldude67: there's a bug tracking X hogging all cores upon certain boots
[04:32] <dtchen> mmkay
[04:32] <joshua__[root]> kd
[04:33] <RAOF> Bah.  Who killed module-tunnel-sink?
[04:34] <dtchen> huh?
[04:34] <dtchen> it loads fine here.
[04:34] <RAOF> Yeah, it loads fine.
[04:34] <RAOF> And it even streams audio just fine.
[04:34] <RAOF> The problem is that it seems to not give any progress info; this confuses anything that actually cares when audio playback has finished.  IE: Everything :)
[04:34] <joshua__[root]> how do I disable boot logo?
[04:37] <RAOF> Totem won't play anything; banshee plays, but doesn't update the progress bar and doesn't notice when the track has finished.
[04:38] <dtchen> hmm, with 0.9.19-0ubuntu1?
[04:39] <RAOF> Hm.  With 0.9.19-0ubuntu1~ubuntuaudiodev4~ apparently.
[04:40] <RAOF> Damn.  that's going to make ubuntu-bug fail, isn't it.
[04:40] <RAOF> Yup, there it went.
[04:41] <joshua__[root]> that was it all right: boot logo = will not boot
[04:44] <RAOF> dtchen: I suspect I'm seeing https://tango.0pointer.de/pipermail/pulseaudio-discuss/2009-October/005204.html
[04:47] <RAOF> Man, trac isn't the worlds nicest bugtracker to search, is it.
[04:50] <jbroome> all bug trackers suck.  some suck less
[04:51] <RAOF> Right.  trac sucks more :)
[04:52] <dtchen> RAOF: well, 4~ is what 0.9.10-0ubuntu1 is, so you should be able to use ubuntu-bug with it shortly
[04:54] <dtchen> bah, 2.6.32-rc4
[04:54] <dtchen> release schedules make baby jebus weep
[04:55] <RAOF> 2.6.3*2*-rc4?  I thought the merge window had basically only just closed!
[04:56] <dtchen> there are bunches of fixes. i'd love Karmic to be based on 2.6.32 for audio less-suckiness, but that ain't gonna happen.
[04:57] <RAOF> The kernel team may feel they need to actually decide a kernel version and stick with it at some point :)
[04:57] <RAOF> what's particularly less-sucky about 2.6.32?
[04:58] <tonyyarusso> Well, my Karmic VM just hosed itself.  Awesome.
[04:58] <vigo> I do not know yet, I am still trying to crash it.
[04:59] <DanaG> hmm, I'd like to see radeon R600 KMS in Karmic.  =P
[04:59] <dtchen> RAOF: lots of enablement fixes, namely massive GPIOx handling, MSI whitelisting by default, jack event updates, etc.
[04:59] <DanaG> bUT that's also 2.6.32.
[04:59] <dtchen> RAOF: more plainly, lots of current hardware just works.
[04:59] <RAOF> Aaah, jack sensing.
[05:00] <RAOF> Right.
[05:00] <DanaG> oh yeah, my gpio1 mute-LED is still rather funky.
[05:00] <dtchen> rtg and i are going over backporting one of the current -driver snapshots to linux-backports-modules-2.6.31
[05:02] <jbuncher> can someone tell me why samba starts up at S19 rather than a bit later?  It seems odd to have it start up before virtualbox and vmware (which start at S20) when you might want to bind samba to one of the vm networking interfaces.
[05:05] <hey_boy> When I am updating my freshly installed Karmic system, the "updating cache" dialog shows progress as "downloading 0B of 1B". I think there is something wrong, it should be displaying decimal numbers rather than hexadecimal.
[05:10] <RAOF> dtchen: Anything else you'd like on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/449250 ?
[05:11] <RAOF> Alternatively, any thoughts on a better title? :)
[05:13] <dtchen> RAOF: WFM
[05:14] <RAOF> dtchen: Balls.  Ok.  Time to upgrade & reboot everything concerned.
[05:16] <jbuncher> is there a reason why shares-admin isn't available in the System->Administration menu?
[05:25] <jbuncher> can someone help me understand exactly what the "sharing" item in the right-click menu in nautilus is doing?  Is it sharing files over samba?  something else?  what config-file gets edited?
[05:37] <RAOF> Bah.  And now the network audio just isn't audiable.
[05:45] <RAOF> dtchen: I _think_ upgrading both my laptop & the server has fixed the module-tunnel-sink bug; now my server merely doesn't have any sound output :(
[05:57] <Trizicus> Could someone tell me why this iptables script doesn't allow me to connect to the www?
[05:57] <Trizicus> http://pastebin.com/m4965c505
[05:58] <gsevil> 'cause it's all wrong
[05:59] <Trizicus> what is wrong with it i'm trying to learn how to setup iptables properly
[05:59] <gsevil> then you can search internet for iptables tutorial
[05:59] <Trizicus> they suck i've tried
[05:59] <Trizicus> spent last 6 hrs
[05:59] <Trizicus> even the tutorial from netfilter sucks
[06:00] <vigo> MAN
[06:00] <gsevil> have you try howtoforge
[06:00] <Trizicus> that script should be right so i do not see why it is not working
[06:00] <Trizicus> which is why i'm here
[06:01] <ms9477> Having some troubles with my storage partition in Karmic, refuses to mount on it's own (Jaunty mounted it to 97G Volume); not finding any answers elsewhere that seem to apply, everything else revolves around USB drives and the like.
[06:01] <gsevil> it's right  , but it's not allow outside connect to your machine
[06:01] <vigo> Trizicus: Is the script for this kernel?
[06:01] <Trizicus> newest kernel yes
[06:02] <Trizicus> so i need to setup output and it 'should' work?
[06:02] <vigo> That makes sense....
[06:03] <vigo> From what I saw, the Output and Accept looked a little off.
[06:04] <vigo> But I am terrible with wlan0, so it could be correct and may just need a router reset or something.
[06:05] <Trizicus> vigo: when i flush it works fine lol
[06:05] <Trizicus> besides not specifying nic should make it work for all interfaces correct?
[06:06] <vigo> Trizicus: still looking. ..,,,
[06:24] <omar> Hi
[06:25] <jbuncher> can someone help me understand exactly what the "sharing" item in the right-click menu in nautilus is doing?  Is it sharing files over samba?  something else?  what config-file gets edited?
[06:25] <omar> I'm having an "Invalid environment block" on my other machine when I try to boot it up.
[06:27] <coz_> hey guys....ctrl+alt+F1 doesnt work...by design? or  bug ?
[06:27] <jbuncher> coz_, works here
[06:27] <coz_> jbroome,  I drop to blank screen here
[06:28] <omar> Can anyone please rescue me?
[06:29] <jbuncher> coz_, sorry, no idea.  it works for me, intel graphics.
[06:29] <parallax> hey, I set this on my shell: ifconfig <adapter> 127.0.0.1 broadcast 127.0.0.1  ...  how do I undo it?
[06:30] <oldude67> omar, what was you doing to get that block?
[06:31] <omar> oldude67, My machine was shutdown by accident.
[06:31] <omar> oldude67, like a power failure.
[06:32] <oldude67> omar, try booting into a recovery mode
[06:32] <omar> oldude67, I can access my stuff from the live boot.
[06:32] <omar> oldude67, how do I do that?
[06:32] <habanany> hello , help
[06:32] <oldude67> when grub boots go into menu and arrow down to the recovery kernel
[06:33] <oldude67> habanany, have to say with what and how.
[06:33] <Jeruvy> habanany: just ask your question :)
[06:33] <omar> oldude67, can you remind how to go into grub?
[06:33] <habanany> ok
[06:33] <omar> remind me?
[06:33] <oldude67> omar, grub1 or grub2?
[06:33] <omar> oldude67, 2 i guess.
[06:33] <habanany> I just resized karmic using gparte ...
[06:34] <jamiejackson> how do i install server packages on top of desktop?
[06:34] <oldude67> well if you havent adjusted it i think its shift key now. but check grub2 page and see if im right.
[06:34] <oldude67> !grub2
[06:34] <habanany> i'm about to close but it says pending...
[06:35] <habanany> does that means that i have to wait for the changes?
[06:35] <habanany> gparted says i have 9 operartion pending
[06:36] <jamiejackson> habanany, i think pending means you need to apply the changes
[06:36] <omar> oldude67, grub doesn't seem to be loading.
[06:36] <habanany> how?
[06:36] <jamiejackson> hang on
[06:37] <oldude67> omar, that i dont know about...still not use to all of this grub stuff myself...
[06:37] <jamiejackson> habanany: edit >apply all operations
[06:37] <oldude67> omar, let me see what google says.
[06:37] <habanany> when i try to close gparted it says 9 opertion pending
[06:37] <omar> oldude67, first it says "F5: Drive1     Default: F5", and when I press F5 it quickly gives me that message.
[06:38] <jamiejackson> did you try what i suggested?
[06:38] <habanany> i guess that the 9 operations take effect when i reboot
[06:38] <habanany> okok, i will try
[06:38] <jamiejackson> trhat's not how it works habanany
[06:39] <jamiejackson> doesn't do squat on reboot
[06:39] <habanany> oh, let me try that edit and...
[06:39] <coz_> also guys.. I was using  alias sudo='sudo -p "Password:"' to change passworkd promt to just "password" in bashrc  but it doesnt seem to work now...any other way?
[06:40] <habanany> oh yeah, i did not that edit, aply existed...I'm very very new in ubuntu
[06:40] <habanany> thank u bro
[06:40] <jamiejackson>  how do i install server packages on top of desktop?
[06:40] <jamiejackson> no prob, habanany
[06:40] <oldude67> omar, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8087461#post8087461
[06:40] <darthanubis> Amaranth, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/449272
[06:40] <oldude67> omar, read that and try it, your not the only one thats had this issue.
[06:40] <ms9477> anyone have any ideas why a HD partition doesn't in someway auto-mount, and GParted tosses an error 'The enclosing drive for the volume is locked.' at me?
[06:41] <omar> oldude67, is it possible to re-install grub2 from an live boot into my installed Ubuntu?
[06:41] <oldude67> omar,  i would say its possible, but i have never done it.
[06:42] <oldude67> omar, but that page i gave you has a solution in it.
[06:43] <omar> oldude67, the grub menu doesn't even show up.
[06:44] <omar> ok, thanks for the help.
[06:44] <oldude67> omar, as soon as you see the word grub, try hitting esc.
[06:45] <ms9477> if it's GRUB2 (1.97~beta3 is what mine shows, but i think that's what it's getting at), Right Shift gets the menu to go, right after POST is done
[06:45] <omar> oldude67, first it says "F5: Drive1     Default: F5", and when I press F5 it quickly gives me that message.
[06:46] <omar> great!
[06:46] <omar> I got into the recovery mode.
[06:51] <coz_> hey guys..let me ask again.. I used to use "alias sudo='sudo -p "Password:"' to change the terminal password prompt back to just  "password"  but that doesnt seem to work here ...any suggestions?
[06:52] <omar> oldude67, thanks a bunch.
[06:52] <omar> oldude67, it worked, and it was very exciting experience to me. ;)
[06:52] <omar> bye
[06:54] <zmjjmz> is it safe to update?
[06:56] <habanany> hey brothers I have karmic partition between two uanllocated partition , how can I extend ?
[06:56] <habanany> i did id a few minutes ago but now I cant do it again
[06:59] <habanany> be patient brothers, I know no linux and no english. sorry about that
[07:02] <wekt> What program do you run to switch /etc/alternatives between multiple JREs?
[07:03] <topyli> wekt, update-alternatives --config java
[07:04] <topyli> something like that, see whether or not that's correct :)
[07:08] <wekt> topyli: update-java-alternatives    thanks
[07:10] <Zeikfried> Where could i find drivers for a RT2700E 11bgn WLAN PCIe chip?
[07:20] <coz_> anyone for how to change password prompt in terminal back to just "password: ?
[07:21] <aprilhare> hello
[07:24] <vivid> anyone know how to fix the garbled/blank tty screens when i alt+f1?
[07:25] <coz_> vivid,   mm i have the same issue apparenlty  but mine is all blank
[07:25] <vivid> yea mine was garbled before i installed nvidia drivers, now its just blank
[07:25] <coz_> right same here
[07:26] <coz_> vivid,  ctrl+alt+F1
[07:26] <vivid> blank
[07:26] <coz_> yep same here
[07:26] <coz_> vivid,  this is a fresh install with all update and nvidia driver
[07:27] <vivid> it goes away if you remove 'splash' from the kernel boot parameters
[07:38] <than0> Been googling for answer, but no success. Will Karmic provide support for btrfs during install? thanks.
[07:44] <meborc> than0, i can't answer you that, but you could run the latest daily -live in virtual box and find out...
[07:45] <than0> meborc, :D ok... (problem is the main reason i want btrfs is compression support). really running out of space.
[07:46] <meborc> well, how much space are you using? i didn't think btrfs will give you THAT much better disk usage
[07:46] <meborc> why not just buy more hdd? :D
[07:47] <meborc> what is the diff in ext4 vs btrfs in disk space usage?
[07:47] <aprilhare> does anyone have a webcam that used to function, but no longer functions under karmic?
[07:47] <aprilhare> i could really use someone testing their webcam
[07:47] <meborc> aprilhare, my cam works fine
[07:47] <meborc> or at least it worked fine on karmic beta
[07:47] <aprilhare> meborc: interesting. my webcam worked under jaunty with 2.6.30 but not under karmic with 2.6.31
[07:47] <than0> meborc, someone used btrfs on his eeepc.. default Jaunty install was around 3gb for him.. with btrfs with compression..it was down to 1 gig
[07:48] <aprilhare> microsoft vx-1000
[07:48] <than0> I am also using laptop. :*(
[07:48] <meborc> than0, ok... interesting
[07:48] <aprilhare> anyone have m$ vx-1000?
[07:48] <than0> meborc, also with btrfs, no need to worry about partition resizing that much... also supposedly no need to ever run chkfs
[07:48] <meborc> aprilhare, did you do a fresh install or upgrade from jaunty?
[07:49] <ms9477> anyone have any ideas why a HD partition doesn't in someway auto-mount, and GParted tosses an error 'The enclosing drive for the volume is locked.' at me?
[07:49] <meborc> than0, ok, so what is the downside? speed?
[07:49] <than0> meborc, it's at .18 version.. very immature filesystem.. and not all features are set.
[07:49] <than0> but then I upgrade distro every six months.. with complete wipe out..so don't really worry about compatibility
[07:50] <aprilhare> meborc: upgrade. i used 2.6.30 kernel to use my webcam under jaunty (the default 2.6.28 kernel didn't work with my webcam)
[07:50] <meborc> than0, me too... i keep everything i need backed up on external
[07:50] <than0> how's the pulse audio situation with koala? much better?
[07:50] <meborc> aprilhare, i would try a fresh install... upgrades are always tricky, specially upgrades to aplhas/betas
[07:50] <aprilhare> than0: pulseaudio under drop bear works well. makes a 'pop' sound when it opens a audio channel thou :)
[07:51] <aprilhare> meborc: not an option i'm afraid
[07:51] <meborc> aprilhare, can't you make your existing partition smaller, create new partition for karmic and dual-boot?
[07:52] <aprilhare> meborc: i really don't want to dual-boot stuff
[07:52] <aprilhare> by stuff i mean linux
[07:52] <than0> aprilhare, ic.. as long as it's marginally better than what I have now with jaunty :D
[07:52] <aprilhare> and in this instance i don't see how reinstalling linux from scratch will help
[07:53] <meborc> aprilhare, ok, i'm just saying, that after having problems upgrading from breezy to dapper i have always done clean installs... some conf files can get tangled up and conflict
[07:54] <aprilhare> hang on idea
[07:57] <aprilhare> thats interesting. logged into guest account and it couldn't detecta webcam at all. nor internal audio. weird
[07:57] <aprilhare> internal=motherboard
[07:58] <meborc> aprilhare, is that a guest account or a new accout you created... if it is guest, try creating a new account and see what happens
[07:59] <aprilhare> meborc: guest account (like a said)
[07:59] <aprilhare> tried my alternate account same issue wrt audio
[07:59] <aprilhare> could create new acct out of boredom
[08:16] <aprilhare> bbl
[08:26] <zmjjmz> gonna take the plunge and update
[08:27] <zmjjmz> I can assume that it's close enough to be reasonably not breaky
[08:28] <wekt> zmjjmz: and far enough to need your bug reports.
[08:28] <zmjjmz> yeah
[08:28] <zmjjmz> I've been sending them in
[08:28] <zmjjmz> yay apport
[08:28] <zmjjmz> haven't had much trouble beyond the usual though
[08:48] <wekt> Is there anyone here with a non Ubuntu system who would run a simple test app to see whether it works there, but not on Ubuntu?
[08:48] <wekt> I'm trying to see whether a bug in OpenJDK might be a packaging problem.
[09:00] <gsevil> Is there anyone can run virtualbox in karmic?
[09:01] <JMFTheVCI> anyone else with the white screen of uselessness? Even Ctrl-Alt-F1 has corrupted graphics.
[09:02] <pavkamlc2> gsevil: I ran VB in beta 1 without problem
[09:03] <mzz> gsevil: it definitely installed (the ose version from the repos) but I don't think I tried running it yet. I can do so in a while
[09:04]  * mzz wonders what's up with the mirror his apt-get update is hitting
[09:04] <gsevil> I have this problem ERROR: Virtual machine 'CentOS-5.3' has terminated unexpectedly during startup.Details: code NS_ERROR_FAILURE (0x80004005), component Machine, interface IMachine, callee <NULL>
[09:04] <mzz> and that's a fresh vm?
[09:04] <gsevil> yes
[09:05] <ms9477> anyone know much about this exaile player that's installed with Karmic in Xubuntu?
[09:05] <mzz> ms9477: it plays music. I haven't used it recently.
[09:05] <ms9477> it's not playing my music :-/
[09:05] <ms9477> asking for codecs that i have no idea where to go to grab, Listen never pestered me
[09:06] <Tuplapiste> install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[09:06] <Tuplapiste> then try to play music :P
[09:06] <mzz> define "asking", and with some other apps I've had to restart them after installing codecs
[09:06] <mzz> that codec search thing did work for me in totem, but I had to restart it before the freshly installed codecs took, iirc.
[09:06] <mzz> installing a -restricted-extras package shouldn't hurt but shouldn't be strictly necessary either, afaik.
[09:07] <mzz> and (assuming it's gstreamer-based): try some other gstreamer-based player, just in case
[09:07] <wekt> gsevil: what graphics card?
[09:07] <mzz> gsevil: I'll try a vm, but I have to shuffle some things around first, so it'll take me a bit.
[09:09] <ms9477> it didn't give me an option of searching about, just told me, you need a codec to play this file; giving xubuntu-restricted-extras a run, see what happens
[09:09]  * mzz wonders if there's a trick to force a different server in the countrycode.archive.ubuntu.com rotation
[09:10] <gsevil> wekt: ati xpress 200m, mzz: Virtualbox run well in 9.04, but after update to 9.10 it showed that error, I user custom compiled kernel, already have dkms
[09:11] <jair0> Hi all ! I am testing the latest version of karmic koala with gstreamer and I cannot see the packets I send via localhost:
[09:11] <jair0>  I am using the following pipelines
[09:11] <jair0> gst-launch-0.10 -v videotestsrc ! ffenc_h263p ! udpsink port=1234
[09:12] <es_beto> hello guys, i'm using ubuntu karmic beta, and i have one question related to audio, i want to hear the input device, in fedora i used a workaround which is the multimedia system selector where i can "test" the input sound and that way i hear it, but i can't find this option on ubuntu
[09:12] <jair0> gst-launch-0.10 -v udpsrc port=1234 ! fakesink
[09:12] <jair0> but not seeing any package
[09:12] <jair0> is it any firewall setting involved ?
[09:12] <jair0> I can see packets sent from other machines
[09:13] <ms9477> thanks Tuplapiste, that did the trick
[09:15] <es_beto> any ideas?
[09:15] <KruyKaze> hi! how do i set the gdm background image?
[09:16] <Xgates> what's the repo for the Nvidia 190, I forgot it...
[09:16] <RAOF> Xgates: restricted?
[09:16] <gsevil> if i start VM again, stop at Waiting for the remote session to open..., a process start by root, it's strange
[09:17] <pavkamlc2> gsevil: I ran only non-ose version from sun repository
[09:17] <gsevil> me too
[09:18] <gsevil> I downloaded from Sun
[09:18] <Xgates> ahhh I found it again :)
[09:18] <Xgates> https://launchpad.net/~nvidia-vdpau/+archive/ppa
[09:18] <Xgates> bbl
[09:20] <mzz> gsevil: moving the vm over now, I should have it booting in a few more minutes at most
[09:21]  * mzz should probably teach the "Places" menu to just ignore his extra lvs
[09:21] <mzz> "5.4 GB Filesystem" listed there just isn't useful
[09:21] <gsevil> mzz: don't know why there is a process run by root, I start VM by normal user
[09:23] <mzz> gsevil: sorry, works for me
[09:24] <mzz> gsevil: (this is a windows 2000 guest inside a karmic host)
[09:24] <es_beto> no ideas of any way i could hear the input signal??
[09:25] <mzz> es_beto: I'd use some oldfashioned alsa mixer (the commandline "alsamixer" app might work) to unmute the mic or line "playback" channel
[09:25] <mzz> es_beto: it might require some prodding (read: commandline switches) to control the actual card instead of a virtual pulseaudio device
[09:25] <mzz> es_beto: alternatively: I'd find something that does the passthrough in software
[09:26] <mzz> es_beto: the commandline tools arecord and aplay piped to each other can do that, iirc, but there are almost certainly gui apps that can do the same
[09:26] <bullgard4> Is Karmic supposed to bring up an applet if I plug in an USB web cam?
[09:26] <es_beto> i know
[09:26] <es_beto> i was thinking of
[09:26] <es_beto> installing jack
[09:26] <es_beto> and
[09:26] <es_beto> you know
[09:26] <es_beto> linking the input with the output, but i want to do this without installing
[09:27] <mzz> es_beto: jack could do it too, but you might still need that oldfashioned alsa mixer to make sure the card's capturing the right input
[09:27] <es_beto> yeah
[09:27] <mzz> es_beto: I haven't experimented with all this in the pulseaudio world yet.
[09:27] <es_beto> mzz, well let me try arecord > aplay (me neither)}
[09:28] <mzz> not quite that simple, iirc
[09:28] <mzz> iirc it's something like "arecord -|aplay -"
[09:28] <es_beto> oh hahaha
[09:28] <mzz> no wait, "arecord | aplay" should actually work
[09:29] <es_beto> IT DOES!!
[09:29] <es_beto> thanks so much
[09:29] <mzz> shrug, it's almost certainly not the right way to do it
[09:29] <|eagles0513875|> what i mess lol
[09:29] <es_beto> i know
[09:29] <es_beto> it lags
[09:29] <es_beto> but, its a step forward
[09:29] <es_beto> hahahahah
[09:31] <|eagles0513875|> slow and steady wins the pace
[09:31] <|eagles0513875|> joaopinto: do you know of any sites that are good at explaining how to create a meta package
[09:32] <joaopinto> |eagles0513875|, a meta package is just a regular package with a depdency list, so basically you need to lear packaging
[09:32] <joaopinto> |eagles0513875|, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete
[09:32] <pwnguin> its pretty easy with debhelper
[09:32] <|eagles0513875|> joaopinto: ok cuz i had an idea that would be useful for the community
[09:32] <pwnguin> i'd be like dh_make then go nuts on the depends field
[09:33] <mzz> you barely even need dh_make
[09:33] <mzz> I'd just grab an existing metapackage and change the contents
[09:33] <joaopinto> |eagles0513875|, how woulda  metapackage be usefull for the community :) ?
[09:33] <|eagles0513875|> you guys think its a good idea to have meta packages for certain games, another  one with game development tools
[09:33] <pwnguin> joaopinto: the changelog's gotta go though
[09:33] <joaopinto> mzz, you would need to rename too much on debian/*, dh_make is easier
[09:33] <|eagles0513875|> joaopinto: alot of the dev tools for gaming dont warrent a respin
[09:33] <mzz> I don't think it buys you that much compared to a webpage listing possibly interesting stuff
[09:34] <joaopinto> |eagles0513875|, I don't think most people need such batch of apps
[09:34] <|eagles0513875|> joaopinto: would like to encourage game development
[09:34] <mzz> I think a list is useful, but I don't think a metapackage is the optimal form for such a list
[09:34] <|eagles0513875|> wether it be from gamers or someone whose into gaming
[09:35] <joaopinto> |eagles0513875|, adding a metapackage does not encourage nothing, it doesn't change anything
[09:35] <mzz> hmm, I wonder if this is the kind of thing software center should support
[09:35] <|eagles0513875|> i was going to make my own distro for it
[09:35] <pwnguin> a metapackage is like the last step on a very long journey of helping people
[09:35] <joaopinto> a web page describing the package and their purpose is much more usefull
[09:35] <mzz> feed it a list of recommended apps in some format, and it gives you a pretty gui list with clickable install buttons
[09:35] <|eagles0513875|> well i need to get the package put together
[09:35] <pwnguin> ubuntu-desktop gets you nothing if the packages it pulls in suck
[09:36] <|eagles0513875|> true pwnguin
[09:36] <joaopinto> |eagles0513875|, oh the new distro story, you can do that as an hobby, I don't see how that can improve games development at all
[09:36] <|eagles0513875|> for instance alot of the game dev packages already exists in the repos
[09:36] <cheezey> so  i just got 9.10, i rebooted for the first time, at the login screen, i put in my password, then it just goes back to the login screen. it doesn't say authentication failed or anything D=
[09:36] <mzz> I think a metapackage would either have to be extremely small (omitting many possibly interesting apps) or would pull in so much stuff you'd never use all of it
[09:36] <pwnguin> im sure they're outdated
[09:36] <mzz> I had that with the ubuntustudio-audio package
[09:36] <|eagles0513875|> i might do a respin for my school since they offer course in creative computing aka game programming
[09:37] <ActionParsnip2> pwnguin: some are outdated slightly but the ones available are tested as known to work well
[09:37] <joaopinto> |eagles0513875|, you are not talking about a metpackage, you are talking about creating a selection of packages and putting it into an ISO
[09:37] <|eagles0513875|> what makes no sense to me is why respin a distro dedicated to multimedia why cant their be a spin off for gaming
[09:37] <|eagles0513875|> joaopinto: ikonia suggested creating meta packages
[09:37] <joaopinto> ActionParsnip2,  that is a wrong assumption about official packages
[09:37] <joaopinto> ActionParsnip2, I mean, about universe packages
[09:37] <ActionParsnip2> joaopinto: i read a while back thats how it rolled
[09:37] <mzz> you can do that, I just don't think it buys you that much over a regular cd plus a single apt-get command to pull in some stuff after installing
[09:38] <joaopinto> ActionParsnip2, in theory, not in practice
[09:38] <pwnguin> ActionParsnip2: well, eclipse-cdt is ancient for sure
[09:38] <cheezey> is this wrong channel for asking questions >_>
[09:38] <vaibhav> Since I have upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 my system has gone dead slow, I have Intel card , can anybody suggest anything
[09:38] <joaopinto> some of the packages currently on UBuntu universe were never tested on Ubuntu
[09:38] <|eagles0513875|> ActionParsnip2: maybe you could answer this how does one get stuff added to repos if its not already
[09:38] <mzz> cheezey: it's the right channel, I just don't know offhand where to start debugging.
[09:38] <ActionParsnip2> pwnguin: you are free to add PPAs or compile if you need the later version
[09:38] <mzz> cheezey: I'd guess I'd ctrl+alt+f1 out of gdm, log in on the textmode prompt, and see if /var/log/gdm has anything interesting
[09:38] <mzz> no time for debugging now though, sorry.
[09:38] <|eagles0513875|> cuz i found some 3d open source graphics engine which isnt in the repos
[09:39] <ActionParsnip2> |eagles0513875|: could create a PPA, not sure otherwise
[09:39] <|eagles0513875|> will ask ikonia then
[09:39] <pwnguin> ActionParsnip2: compiling eclipse and plugins has, until the last week, been a massive undertaking. YOU ARE NOT PREPARED!!!
[09:39] <joaopinto> |eagles0513875|, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages
[09:39] <joaopinto> |eagles0513875|, you really need to check the wiki :)
[09:39] <mzz> |eagles0513875|: there's a #ubuntu-motu that's probably a good starting point, both for help getting it into a ppa and possibly for help getting it into universe
[09:40] <|eagles0513875|> banned from motu unless i can manage getting this individual to unban me
[09:40] <ActionParsnip2> pwnguin: prepared?
[09:40] <|eagles0513875|> !packaging
[09:40] <pwnguin> ActionParsnip2: crappy WoW reference
[09:40] <joaopinto> |eagles0513875|, oh, bad boy :)
[09:40] <ActionParsnip2> pwnguin: i havent played it
[09:40] <|eagles0513875|> that was a while back
[09:40] <pwnguin> ActionParsnip2: me either, but the roomates love it
[09:40]  * mzz isn't sure he wants to know how you managed that
[09:41] <ActionParsnip2> pwnguin: i prefer what they call "RL"
[09:41] <pwnguin> ActionParsnip2: your presence on irc demonstrates otherwise
[09:41] <|eagles0513875|> managed what mzz
[09:41] <ActionParsnip2> pwnguin: on my quiet nights yes, otherwise i'm out and about
[09:42] <pwnguin> managed to get banned
[09:42] <cheezey> apparnatly "This shouldn't happen!" happened.
[09:42] <mzz> |eagles0513875|: getting banned from #-motu
[09:42] <|eagles0513875|> can give u the name of the person to ask on that lol
[09:42] <pwnguin> i think theres an ubuntu irc cabal
[09:42] <pwnguin> ask them
[09:42] <joaopinto> |eagles0513875|, there is an #ubuntu-irc if i am not mistaken, for such affairs
[09:42] <|eagles0513875|> joaopinto: im familiar with the channel but its ubuntu-ops
[09:42] <pwnguin> they dont take lightly to even mere presence
[09:42] <pwnguin> so i try not to bug them
[09:43] <|eagles0513875|> i dont go in there but i might later on today
[09:43] <joaopinto> irc and ops do not have the same purpose
[09:43] <joaopinto> afaik one is about operators, the others about the irc council
[09:43] <pwnguin> one is supervisory to the other
[09:43] <|eagles0513875|> ahhh
[09:43] <joaopinto> and you really should consider getting unbanned as your first task to learn packaging
[09:43] <mzz> hah
[09:44] <es_beto> hahaha
[09:44] <|eagles0513875|> well i already have uzed bzr bd for some stuff im helping with in regards to the mozilla team
[09:45] <vaibhav> ny1 have performance issues with intel card
[09:45] <cheezey> is there a way to bypass the login screen completely?
[09:45] <pwnguin> startX
[09:45] <|eagles0513875|> all i know is there some random nvidia issues floating around that seem to come and go
[09:46] <pwnguin> log into a console, then run startX. there's probably some magic you need to run a normal process
[09:46] <pwnguin> ie gnome
[09:46] <|eagles0513875|> !login
[09:46] <floating> vaibhav: yes
[09:46] <|eagles0513875|> O_o humm
[09:46] <|eagles0513875|> !autologin
[09:46] <vaibhav> @floating is there any way to increase performance
[09:47] <vaibhav> I have done that in jaunty by editing xorg.conf adding greedy option
[09:47] <floating> do u have some errors at ur Xorg.0.log
[09:47] <|eagles0513875|> vaibhav: karmic there is no xorg.conf not sure whats replaced it though
[09:47] <|eagles0513875|> at least on a clean install there isnt an xorg.conf
[09:47] <joaopinto> |eagles0513875|, there is no default one, if you create it it will work
[09:47] <floating> try /var/log/Xorg.0.log|grep EE
[09:48] <pwnguin> xorg.conf went away ages ago by default in favor of HAL
[09:48] <floating> +cat
[09:48] <|eagles0513875|> joaopinto: ok
[09:48] <pwnguin> hal is going away in favor of deviceKit, eventually
[09:48] <pwnguin> but xorg.conf will still work if present
[09:48] <|eagles0513875|> ahhh interesting
[09:48] <vaibhav> result is (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
[09:48] <vaibhav> (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
[09:49] <floating> ok, no errors
[09:49] <|eagles0513875|> !paste | vaibhav
[09:49] <|eagles0513875|> so you dont flood urself out of the channel
[09:50] <vaibhav> !paste (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
[09:50] <vaibhav> (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
[09:50] <vaibhav> sorry didn't know how it can work
[09:50] <|eagles0513875|> vaibhav: go to http://past.ubuntu.com
[09:50] <jpds> cheezey: Yes, put AutomaticLoginEnable=true,  and AutomaticLogin=$user into /etc/gdm/custom.conf
[09:50] <|eagles0513875|> or you can use pastebinit
[09:51] <floating> no need to paste that anymore :)
[09:51] <|eagles0513875|> !pastebinit | vaibhav
[09:51] <|eagles0513875|> for the future thats handy jsut run pastebinit COMMAND
[09:51] <cheezey> jpds: i have tried that but no luck. X_x
[09:52] <jpds> cheezey: Then I don't know, sorry, that's how one of my systems is set up...
[09:52] <floating> what kind of performance issues, can u describe more
[09:53] <vaibhav> GUI is less responsive a
[09:53] <vaibhav> or more clearly very much less responsive , sometime very irritating
[09:53] <floating> like when swapping between windowses, like terminal and a web browser
[09:54] <vaibhav> yes, and when switching tabs
[09:54] <vaibhav> in firefox
[09:54] <ActionParsnip2> vaibhav: have you installed video drivers?
[09:55] <vaibhav> I have intel X3100 , and updated from Jaunty
[09:55] <vaibhav> I have not done anything in particular for video drivers
[09:55] <ActionParsnip2> vaibhav: try this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReinhardTartler/X/RevertingIntelDriverTo2.4   there is a karmic repo there too
[09:56] <ActionParsnip2> vaibhav: thats why then, your video card isnt doing much to improve the desktop speed
[09:57] <ActionParsnip2> vaibhav: just change jaunty in the guide to karmic
[09:57] <GastonLaGafff> Hello. Is there a solution to avoid this bug Bug #432237 ? I can boot but only with the ubuntu kernel, and I need an official kernel to use an encrypted partition. The official kernel also gives me a much better sound.
[09:58] <GastonLaGafff> Not "difficult": impossible!!
[09:59] <vaibhav> @ActionParsnip2 is that applicable for Jaunty to karmic
[09:59] <ActionParsnip2> vaibhav: yes, there is a karmic repo too
[09:59] <ActionParsnip2> vaibhav: just change jaunty to karmic when you paste it in your sources.list file
[10:01] <ActionParsnip2> vaibhav: theres also a rollback path to back it out if its no good (nice)
[10:01] <vaibhav> @ActionParsnip2 trying it , thanks
[10:03] <GastonLaGafff> the list of the files contained in the package mountall shows "/etc/init.d/mountall.conf", but it doesn't exist in this directory. Can it be a cause of the bug?
[10:04] <mzz> GastonLaGafff: I don't see /etc/init.d/mountall.conf, but there's an /etc/init/mountall.conf
[10:04] <mzz> GastonLaGafff: that file being missing would almost certainly be bad
[10:04] <|eagles0513875|> im having a nasty sound issue
[10:04] <|eagles0513875|> im duelbooting on my macbook pro and i have no sound what so ever
[10:05] <|eagles0513875|> was suggested removing pulseaudio and that didnt fix anythign reinstalling pulse didnt do anything either
[10:05] <hifi> umm, is "Passwords and Ecryption keys" still a work in progress?
[10:05] <cheezey> after i login in prompt, if i gdm start, it goes back to the login screen. correct behavior?
[10:05] <|eagles0513875|> should i try recompiling it from git?
[10:05] <hifi> my ssh key location is "/home/nate/.ssh/blah_rsa" according to it
[10:05] <ActionParsnip2> vaibhav: you will need to reboot after installing the package
[10:05] <mzz> |eagles0513875|: not if it's not the problem, and if everything's still broken without it it's probably not the problem
[10:05] <mzz> hifi: that sounds possible, although "blah" is a bit unusual
[10:05] <|eagles0513875|> mzz: jaunty was working just fine
[10:06] <GastonLaGafff> ok I don't know read
[10:06] <hifi> mzz: it should be /home/hifi/.ssh/id_rsa
[10:06] <mzz> |eagles0513875|: I don't see how you're going from "sound broke between jaunty and karmic" to "I need to compile pulseaudio from git"
[10:06] <hifi> seems like some filler text
[10:06] <|eagles0513875|> mzz: this is on a clean install of karmic
[10:06] <|eagles0513875|> didnt upgrade
[10:06] <|eagles0513875|> it never worked since i installed karmic
[10:06] <mzz> |eagles0513875|: I still don't see how you're getting at "I need to compile pulseaudio from git"
[10:07] <|eagles0513875|> mzz: i dunno what else to try
[10:07] <mzz> |eagles0513875|: but you have more information than we do, so if you have reason to believe that'll help then sure, go for it
[10:07] <mzz> hifi: where are you seeing this?
[10:07] <aapzak> pfff, nl mirror is extremely slow
[10:07] <mzz> hifi: I see my ssh key under "other keys", but I don't see the path to it anywhere
[10:07] <mzz> aapzak: yes! glad it's not just me
[10:07] <|eagles0513875|> actually mzz might run pulseaudio through gdb as well as check the logs
[10:07] <hifi> Applications -> Accessories -> Passwords and Encrypton keys -> My personal keys -> (my ssh key) -> Properties
[10:07] <d9500> when I try to boot my install of karmic beta, instead of booting, it throws the following error "error. invalid environment block. failed to boot default entries." I read on the ubuntu forums that this is a known bug with karmic. anyone have any suggestions short of reinstalling? 9which i am reluctant to do, b/c this is the second practically fresh install this has happened on)
[10:08] <mzz> |eagles0513875|: so far it sounds like your problem is with alsa, not pulse (since it also happened with pulse removed)
[10:08] <hifi> and Details
[10:08] <mzz> |eagles0513875|: if your kernel-level alsa driver is not cooperating no amount of prodding of pulse will help, since pulse uses alsa for actual hardware playback
[10:08] <|eagles0513875|> mzz: ill have to get back to u when i have some time to check the logs
[10:08] <floating> is xorgs video drivefr installations part of the automatic updating ? I mean like if one manually installs older drivers, will the update manager suggest updating those drivers later or anyting
[10:08] <mzz> hifi: that simply doesn't do anything here, which I guess is a different bug :)
[10:09] <hifi> mzz: doesn't do anything? :)
[10:09] <joaopinto> |eagles0513875|, why have you removed PA, how have you identified that your problem is related to PA at all ?
[10:09] <hifi> do you have any ssh keys in personal keys?
[10:09] <|eagles0513875|> joaopinto: that was on suggestion of blueskaj cuz he did that and it fixed his issue
[10:09] <mzz> hifi: well, if I click the "properties" button I get an animation of the button being pressed and depressed, but that's pretty much it :)
[10:09] <mzz> hifi: and yes, it does list "Secure Shell Key" there
[10:09] <hifi> yeah, for me it works
[10:09] <mzz> hifi: err, no, this is "Other Keys".
[10:10] <mzz> hifi: "Personal Keys" only has my gpg key.
[10:10] <joaopinto> |eagles0513875|, there are a lot of different reasons for not having sound, blindly repeating a procedure from person X does not help
[10:10] <|eagles0513875|> its worth a shot though
[10:10] <mzz> |eagles0513875|: err, debug the issue
[10:10] <joaopinto> actually it may make things worse, because you change things that will prevent you to debug the issue as per the expected environment
[10:10] <mzz> |eagles0513875|: why do you think prodding pulse will help if you have no sound with pulse disabled or removed?
[10:11] <|eagles0513875|> i reinstalled pulseaudio though
[10:11] <|eagles0513875|> well mzz there is so much sound stuff thats been changing from alsa only to using pulse audio
[10:11] <|eagles0513875|> i dunno whats used anymore
[10:11] <mzz> |eagles0513875|: pulse still uses alsa to actually play sound, which I'm assuming is what you tried to play back through while pulse was disabled.
[10:11] <mzz> |eagles0513875|: if that didn't work neither will pulse, no matter what you do to pulse
[10:12] <innomen> hey all, what can i use to connect to my bluetooth gamepad? the guide walked me through compiling and installing xpad but then the instructions simply say "connect" and "resync" how do i do either?
[10:12] <hifi> mzz: http://hifi.iki.fi/sshkey-details.png
[10:12] <vaibhav> @ActionParsnip2 the ppa does not have any xorg package
[10:12] <|eagles0513875|> pulse as default has always acted up with it occassionally failing thoguh mzz
[10:12] <|eagles0513875|> sometimes i use my default built in audio driver
[10:12] <aapzak> mzz: let's just leave it alone, I'll hit it later on :)
[10:12] <GastonLaGafff> mzz: Do you have any idea why I can boot with ubuntu kernel, whereas I can't with an official kernel, which was bootable some days ago?
[10:13] <innomen> i have bluetooth gnome connected ot my phone just fine but when i goto add new device it apprently does not see the pad
[10:13] <mzz> hifi: that's pretty weird. Can you check what your gpg key id is, since it looks like you're not getting the dialog you're supposed to get
[10:13] <innomen> i feel like there is a very basic step i am missing
[10:13] <mzz> |eagles0513875|: yes, but you weren't getting sound with pulse *disabled*
[10:13] <joaopinto> |eagles0513875|, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[10:13] <ActionParsnip2> vaibhav: it should have xserver-xorg-video-intel
[10:13] <|eagles0513875|> man the bot has lots of useful info lol
[10:13] <mzz> GastonLaGafff: random guess of the day: you changed to a different root filesystem.
[10:13] <mzz> GastonLaGafff: I can try different guesses if you like
[10:14] <ActionParsnip2> vaibhav: does: apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-intel     sw it coming from the new repo you added?
[10:14] <mzz> hifi: it looks like for whatever reason you're getting an unfinished *ssh* key properties dialog when clicking properties for your *gpg* key
[10:14] <ActionParsnip2> s/sw/show
[10:14] <hifi> thats my ssh key
[10:14] <mzz> GastonLaGafff: seriously though: there's not even close to enough information for me to give you more than random guesses, and why are you asking me specifically instead of the channel?
[10:15] <hifi> I don't even have a gpg key on this machine
[10:15] <GastonLaGafff> for the file system: yes I changed from ext4 to reiserfs, but I have been able to boot on reiserfs with my official kernel
[10:15] <hifi> and my ssh key name _is_ hifi@debian, was ported from my old desktop
[10:16] <hifi> only thing weird is the wrong path as I could tell
[10:16] <mzz> hifi: you're actually right that the key id in the main window matches the end of the fingerprint in the properties dialog. So huh.
[10:16] <mzz> hifi: I wonder why your ssh key is "personal" while mine is "other"
[10:17] <hifi> though, is that information from the public or private part?
[10:17] <hifi> funny I could set the owner of that key to be allowed to ssh into this machine
[10:17] <hifi> when it's editing the key itself, not the public part
[10:17] <vaibhav> @ActionParsnip2 no it is coming from main ubuntu  repo
[10:18] <hifi> mzz: and my ssh key is in .ssh/
[10:18] <vaibhav> I checked new repo webpage , it does not have xorg related package
[10:18] <hifi> is your key somewhere else?
[10:18] <hifi> if that matters in which tab the key is shown
[10:18] <mzz> hifi: I have ~/.ssh/id_rsa and a matching entry in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
[10:19] <hifi> my authorized_keys is empty
[10:19] <hifi> it's seahorse 2.28.0
[10:19] <mzz> not bored enough to figure out its logic
[10:20] <ActionParsnip2> vaibhav: bah, maybe they havet made it for karmic. sorry :(
[10:20] <wekt> What package do you report install bugs on?
[10:20] <wekt> for Debian installer?
[10:20] <ActionParsnip2> vaibhav: you need to tell your system to use the intel driver if it isnt already, it will smooth the UI
[10:22] <ms9477> if installing Xubuntu, is there any way to grab GNOME as a potential session?
[10:24] <|eagles0513875|> ms9477: you mean install it in addition to xfce
[10:26] <vaibhav> @ActionParsnip2 how do i tell my system to use intel drivers
[10:27] <ms9477> correct, |eagles0513875|
[10:28] <|eagles0513875|> ms9477: then install ubuntu-desktop
[10:28] <|eagles0513875|> that will install gnome as an option you can  choose between at login
[10:28] <ActionParsnip2> vaibhav: you can edit xorg.conf
[10:29] <ms9477> da
[10:29] <d9500> nevermind my question about the boot error earlier. i was able to fix it following the instructions on a discussion on the launchpad bug site.
[10:29] <|eagles0513875|> ms9477: da????
[10:30] <ActionParsnip2> vaibhav: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1187737 you'll be websearching a bit to find samples like that to try
[10:30] <ms9477> more or less, yes...i should have thought about that
[10:30] <ActionParsnip2> vaibhav: i dont use crappy intel gfx so I'm not much use. Maybe someone else has a cleaner idea
[10:30] <|eagles0513875|> ms9477: :) same thing goes if you would like to install kde but install kubuntu-desktop
[10:31] <vaibhav> @ActionParsnip2 thanx
[10:31] <ms9477> gotcha, though i've never been a KDE fan :P
[10:31] <|eagles0513875|> ms9477: give it a spin its evolved nicely from 4.0
[10:32] <JackD> it's slow
[10:32] <minimec> hi. I would like to post a bug about sudden system crashs with 'options radeon modeset=1'. I need some help with the logs, as I doesn't see any entries in the logs.
[10:32] <ms9477> i did a turn with KDE under Jaunty, didn't thrill me
[10:32] <Termana> !bugs | minimec
[10:35] <minimec> Termana: I know that. Ok I gonna try to post a bug on 'linux-image', as this is a complete system freeze. I cannot ssh on the system anymore.
[10:35] <Termana> Yeah, I just wanted to use the command to look 1337. lol j/k :P
[10:37] <mzz> I'm apparently too stupid to use this bug tracker. Can someone tell me what bug nr bug 447690 was marked a duplicate of?
[10:38] <mzz> or was that comment closing it a misfiring script or something?
[10:39] <ploum> Hello
[10:39] <ploum> did anybode succeeded to have a working Lotus Notes on Karmic ?
[10:39] <ploum> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8091471#post8091471
[10:42] <mzz> minimec: agp card? this wasn't a ubuntu system, but I had some of those go away after adding radeon.agpmode=-1 to the boot parameters
[10:42] <minimec> mzz: Yes radeon 9600 AGP
[10:43] <minimec> mzz THX I will try that.
[10:44] <mzz> minimec: I couldn't reproduce these, but it'd just lock up, sometimes but not always preceded by some corruption in rendered text
[10:45] <minimec> mzz: I will do some further testing.
[10:46] <minimec> mzz: radeon.agpmode=-1 or'agpmode=1"?
[10:46] <mzz> minimec: radeon.agpmode=-1
[10:47] <mzz> minimec: (might also want to doublecheck with #radeon on this network)
[10:47] <minimec> mzz: ok
[10:47] <minimec> mzz: good idea.
[11:02] <steve__> hey guys
[11:02] <steve__> having a little trouble with a dual boot of ubuntu 9.10 beta and mac os x on a mac pro
[11:03] <steve__> getting graphics corruption in os x when i boot from grub
[11:05] <gsevil> when I run custom compiled kernel, the console is in high resolution display, but default kernel from repos don't have, what's the difference?
[11:07] <ActionParsnip2> steve__: OS X isnt supported here
[11:08] <cdE|Woozy> Does anyone have an idea why I can't pair with my phone using bluetooth anymore? Scanning for devices works, but not much else. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/291503/
[11:08] <kuttans> latest linux kernal 2.6.31.13 not showing in the grub menu+karmic any idea
[11:08] <ploum> was there a way to download a previous version of a given package ?
[11:09] <steve__> ActionParsnip2, I presumed it was a GRUB2 issue
[11:09] <kuttans> yes i guess there is a way to do that, check the man page of dpkg or apt-get
[11:09] <ActionParsnip2> steve__: grub2 just boots the OS yuo select
[11:10] <kuttans> the latest linux kernel is not shown in the grub menu. anyone there to help?
[11:10] <steve__> okay... so as long as ubuntu works you dont care? lol
[11:11] <steve__> kuttans... have you done sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:11] <steve__> that should install latest kernel
[11:11] <kuttans> yeah i did that
[11:11] <steve__> update-grub
[11:11] <steve__> do a sudo update-grub... see if it picks it up
[11:11] <kuttans> ohh i think its done automatically, but i havnt done it manually
[11:11] <kuttans> but i will try now
[11:12] <kuttans> steve__: when i did that it says your /usr is broken ,fix it before call this wrapper
[11:14] <kuttans> shall i do a fsck on that on startup
[11:14] <steve__> yeah and give it a whirl again... might have corrupted if some file system damage?
[11:15] <kuttans> but fsck reporting that /dev/sda6 is fine and clean
[11:17] <steve__> do a chmod 744 /usr/sbin/update-grub
[11:18] <steve__> then try again
[11:18] <kuttans> yeah look like that, now im reinstalling grub2 to fix the problem
[11:20] <aprilhare> hey
[11:21] <aprilhare> has anyone noticed that in nautilus when one selects File -> Create document it says "No templates installed"?
[11:24] <Ian_Corne> the athenticate window doesn't grab focus anymore?
[11:24] <ActionParsnip2> aprilhare: https://answers.launchpad.net/nautilus/+question/35
[11:26] <JoshuaL> since a week or so im having troubles with WPA2 Enterprise connections..
[11:27] <JoshuaL> the connection is instable, which is pretty annoying. it did work perfectly before and a classmate of mine who is using 9.04 doesnt have this problem.
[11:28] <aprilhare> ActionParsnip2: it used to have lots of em. now there are none. how do i get the default templates back? the last hint does not apply, re $HOME -> $HOME/Templates
[11:28] <mac_v> ActionParsnip2: hey... did your vlc stuttering sound problem get solved?
[11:29] <ActionParsnip2> mac_v: not used it in a while tbh, ive just pulled in alsa 1.0.21 so i'l be testing later :)
[11:29] <ActionParsnip2> mac_v: thanks for the ask though, impressive
[11:29] <mac_v> ActionParsnip2: the solution was to actually change the audio module from default to pulse audio
[11:29] <ActionParsnip2> aprilhare: not sure at all, sorry
[11:29] <ActionParsnip2> mac_v: ahh (mental note) I'll see if that makes it friendlier
[11:30] <mac_v> ;)
[11:31] <ActionParsnip2> mac_v: just changed it now (x forwarding rocks)
[11:31] <ActionParsnip2> wil ltest some later
[11:31] <ActionParsnip2> thanks for the heads up
[11:31] <bullgard4> In Ubuntu 8.04.3: '~$ find / -name 'page_alloc.c' 2>/dev/null; /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.24/mm/page_alloc.c'. In Ubuntu 9.10: '~$ find / -name 'page_alloc.c' 2>/dev/null' does not produce any output. What is the reason?
[11:31] <bullgard4>  
[11:31] <mac_v> np.. :)
[11:50] <zniavre_> !bug #432237
[11:53] <Qtpaxa> anyone knows how I can have in karmic, the gpg encrypt/decrypt menu in nautilus?
[11:55] <Qtpaxa> nobody?
[11:56] <ActionParsnip2> Qtpaxa: well you waited all of 3 mins. have patience
[11:57] <Qtpaxa> ActionParsnip2: ok ;)
[11:57] <vois> someone know how remove ati driver(from amd,.com) for resolve graphic issue when i start karmic?(in jj all works)
[11:59] <ActionParsnip2> vois: sudo apt-get --purge remove xorg-driver-fglrx
[12:00] <vois> actionParsnip2: thanks, now i try it
[12:01] <vois> ActionParsnip2 : it reset also xorg to default?
[12:02] <ActionParsnip2> vois: run: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg     to default it
[12:02] <ActionParsnip2> vois: or simply edit xorg.conf to use the vesa driver
[12:02] <vois> ActionParsnip2 : thank you
[12:12] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip2: why the 2 ?
[12:12] <ActionParsnip2> shadeslayer: my desktop still has me logged on
[12:13] <shadeslayer> ah..
[12:17] <ActionParsnip2> yeah I use carrier on my work laptop too and its changing my nick due to multiple logons
[12:18] <dergringo> Any idea why I get an error when installing libstdc++5 (E: Package libstdc++5 has no installation candidate)? I need this for thunderbird lightning
[12:19] <rsk> because there is no package named libstdc++5
[12:20] <legend2440> dergringo: in karmic its   libstdc++6
[12:20] <LoRe_> has somebody an idea on what is going on here: http://pastebin.com/m246cbd3d ? i get a permission denied when starting evince. It tries to create $HOME/.gnome2/evince but "mkdir $HOME/.gnome2/evince" works on the shell
[12:22] <Dr_Willis> LoRe_:  thats on some sort of home over nfs?
[12:23] <LoRe_> Dr_Willis: no, everything is local
[12:23] <LoRe_> ext4 if it's relevant :)
[12:23] <Dr_Willis> why are you using an /export/ directory then?
[12:24] <LoRe_> well, i don't know why i named it export, but its just a local logical volume
[12:24] <dergringo> legend2440, Lightning required libstdc++5. I can't add new calendars and stuff with libstdc++6
[12:25] <JoshuaL> anyone able to help me with: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8091818
[12:26] <dergringo> "(Many modern Linux distributions only package libstdc++6, which is incompatible with Lightning. Therefore please install the package "libstdc++5" or "compat-libstdc++" on your system before  installing Lightning)" http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/lightning/system-requirements.html
[12:26] <Dr_Willis> LoRe_:  try it from a bash shell. it works here. but i just update/upgraded.. and am using bash
[12:26] <Dr_Willis> !info compat-libstdc++
[12:27] <JoshuaL> is anyone else having this weird issue where a strange beep is heard when pressing for eg. backspace on a empty line in terminal?
[12:27] <JoshuaL> its a weird systembeep kinda sound
[12:27] <dergringo> Hmm can I get libstdc++5 from jaunty?
[12:27] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. i recall that being normal :) in the old days...
[12:28] <LoRe_> Dr_Willis: http://pastebin.com/m3e2c475f
[12:28] <Dr_Willis> beeps all the time for fun!
[12:28] <JoshuaL> Dr_Willis, well that its back is weird but is also a weird kinda beep
[12:29] <JoshuaL> cant really explain (hence my first language not being english)
[12:29] <Dr_Willis> I still get annoying 'pops' when sound plays after the system is quiet for a long time
[12:30] <JoshuaL> i have no idea how i should describe this as a bug and how to report it
[12:30] <JoshuaL> or else i would
[12:31] <dergringo> Ok I solved it by installing the package from lenny http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libstdc++5 works fine now. Thanks.
[12:34] <ActionParsnip2> !debian | dergringo
[12:35] <dergringo> I know but there were no dependencies. It might be a bad idea but having no access to my calendar is even worse ;)
[12:35] <JoshuaL> anyone knows what a pulseaudio bing is?
[12:36] <ActionParsnip2> dergringo: you may get issues later, you sould have searched for an ubuntu ppa or compiled
[12:43] <Spaceman> hi, what version of kde is in kubuntu karmic koala, thanks?
[12:43] <jpds> Spaceman: 4.3.2
[12:43] <Spaceman> thanks
[12:45] <legend2440> dergringo: isnt lightning just a Thunderbird addon?     i just installed it and i saw nothing about libstdc 5++
[12:46] <dergringo> legend2440, yes it is. You can install it but options like "new calendar" are grayed out when stdc5 is missing.
[12:46] <legend2440> dergringo: oh ok
[12:47] <dergringo> And also the sidebar. It's just unusable :)
[12:48] <Trewas> dergringo: maybe libstdc++5 package from jaunty can still be installed, it does not have many dependencies
[12:48] <chu_> Silly question, but my laptop is less than a year old, I'd like to see if the CPU is 64-bit (though I doubt it), is there any-way the OS can tell me? googling for the CPU doesn't give much.
[12:48] <davisc> chu_: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> if its less then a year old. i would bet it is 64bit
[12:49] <chu_> I would think so too.
[12:49] <davisc> chu_: The info that gives you should be easily googleable
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> even my netbook is 64bit I think
[12:49] <chu_> But, when I bought it, there was nothing about 64-bit
[12:49] <dergringo> Trewas, yes. I took the Lenny package. Might be better to bet on Jaunty :)
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> 64bit is the norm. its not worth even mentioning in the ads/buzzwords any more.
[12:49] <shadeslayer> all latest processors are 64 bit
[12:50] <chu_> clflush size is 64, nothing else screems 64 at me though
[12:50] <davisc> chu_: What's the model?
[12:50] <Trewas> dergringo: that package is not in karmic because it was part of gcc-3.x, and now there are only gcc-4.x left
[12:50] <chu_> Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual  CPU  T3400  @ 2.16GHz
[12:50] <ActionParsnip2> shadeslayer: not atom ones
[12:50] <davisc> chu_: That's 64-bit
[12:51] <chu_> Cool, thanks davisc.
[12:51] <davisc> np
[12:51] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip2: really? Atom is 32 bit ?
[12:51] <ActionParsnip2> shadeslayer: yes
[12:51] <shadeslayer> :O
[12:51] <shadeslayer> thats new to me :P
[12:51] <chu_> So, the next question becomes, this whole time I've been installing 32-bit Ubuntu versions, is it time I started looking into 64-bit versions?
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. I though i used the 64bit ubuntu on my AAO. but  i may of used The UNR. I forget. :)
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> chu_:  if you got a 64bit machine.. use 64bit
[12:52] <shadeslayer> chu_: not necessarily.... do you use RAM > 4GB
[12:52] <davisc> chu_: Google for that and the first result will give you more info
[12:52] <SwedeMike> only problem I've encountered with 64bit so far is flash
[12:52] <chu_> Nah, I don't think I even have 1gb RAM
[12:52] <shadeslayer> chu_: also,some apps are not available for 32 bit,and issues like flash
[12:52] <ActionParsnip2> shadeslayer: there are 64bit versions but most are 32bit
[12:53] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip2: oh..
[12:53] <davisc> shadeslayer: Isn't there a 64-bit beta of flash?
[12:53] <ActionParsnip2> shadeslayer: flash runs great on 32bit, theres also the 64bit alpha flash plugin :D
[12:53] <ActionParsnip2> davisc: indeed
[12:53] <Dr_Willis> or you use the flash compat stuff...
[12:53] <shadeslayer> davisc: yes,but its a Beta
[12:53] <davisc> shadeslayer: so is gmail :-)
[12:53] <chu_> I basically do development in C with emacs and a terminal. I don't know, 32-bit is ok as it is, I won't really be missing out on anything will I?
[12:53] <Dr_Willis> I found my video reencodeing got a bit of aboost from going 64bit
[12:53]  * shadeslayer is currently using the beta flash
[12:53] <davisc> chu_: Realistically, no
[12:53] <Dr_Willis> chu_:  proberly not.. get moar ram :)
[12:54] <ActionParsnip2> shadeslayer: also here, its nice
[12:54] <chu_> I idle at 12% RAM usage! I don't need more :p
[12:54] <Dr_Willis> chu_:  and 10% of that is disk cache proberly
[12:54] <shadeslayer> only thing im unhappy about right now are xorg leakages
[12:55] <chu_> I actually have about 4gbs given to swap, so yeah, hopefully it gets used :p
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> save up your lunch $$ buy moar ram. :)
[12:56]  * ActionParsnip2 also has 64bit native java :)
[12:56]  * Dr_Willis waits for 128bit
[12:57] <ActionParsnip2> or 96 maybe ;)
[12:57] <Dr_Willis> 512!
[12:57] <Dr_Willis> Gigabit bits!
[12:57]  * shadeslayer goes and listens to the Twilight OST
[12:57] <ActionParsnip2> well boyles law is proving quite accurate so far, so I dont see why we cant see 512bit
[12:58] <shadeslayer> oh yeah!
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> MS will have too hard a time wasteing that much Powar!
[12:58] <shadeslayer> haha....
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> Next we will be needing PhysX cards for Desktop machines.
[12:58] <ActionParsnip2> Dr_Willis: probably calculate PI instead of idle process just for laughs
[12:59] <shadeslayer> or donating CPU to help cure diseases
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> MS will sell out the users spare cpu cycles with out their consent. :)
[12:59] <shadeslayer> lol..
[12:59] <ActionParsnip2> shadeslayer: already on it, FaH via origami :)
[12:59] <shadeslayer> or theyll just make a script that eats up CPU
[13:00] <ActionParsnip2> shadeslayer: it runs all the time but has a nice value of 19 so doesnt get much CPU unless its idle
[13:00] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip2: nice
[13:02] <ActionParsnip2> team ubuntu is the 75th highest contributing team :)
[13:03] <zer0x> Is there any way to set _per process_ resource limits? not per shell or user with ulimit?
[13:04] <Dr_Willis> set it in a shell.. run the app to the bg.. exit the shell... perhaps
[13:04]  * Dr_Willis isent even sure how one limits resources...
[13:05] <Dr_Willis> How do I set per-process limits? Added: 09/13/01
[13:05] <Dr_Willis> http://www.unixguide.net/hp/faq/5.10.3.shtml
[13:07] <zer0x> Dr_Willis: I am happy to go with something like that, but I was really hoping there was something I could give a PID too. I have had a good dig with no luck so far :/
[13:07] <Dr_Willis> http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/ieduasst/tivv1r0/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.iea.tds/tds/6.1/ulimitspresentation/ulimits/player.html
[13:07] <Dr_Willis> On line presentations.. :) how ... exciteing...
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> /etc/security/limit.conf file in my rh62 box, where I could set all the
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> limits in a per-user or per-group basis.
[13:08]  * Dr_Willis googles some more
[13:09] <zer0x> Dr_Willis: hehe.. IBM  Education Assistant eh? :D
[13:09] <Dr_Willis> cat /etc/security/limits.conf
[13:09] <Dr_Willis> Google finds the neatest things.. :)
[13:09] <zer0x> Dr_Willis: I had a look at that also, but still nothing based around per process.. all users or shells
[13:10] <Dr_Willis> thats how you do it. from what im reading
[13:10] <Dr_Willis> sunce evrything gets launched by a shell.
[13:11] <Dr_Willis> http://www.novell.com/products/linuxpackages/desktop10/i386/ulimit.html mentions a script...
[13:12] <Dr_Willis> The script provided here does set limits on the memory usage per
[13:12] <Dr_Willis> process (amongst setting other limits)
[13:14]  * Dr_Willis is thinking the logic follows the same 'logic' as setting env variables for specific apps when launching them.
[13:15] <Dr_Willis> ie: 'DISPLAY=:2  xterm &'
[13:15] <Dr_Willis> Only the settings have to be set properly with the ulimit command  Not just an env variable
[13:16] <Dr_Willis> and you dont change the limits on a running process.
[13:16] <zer0x> ah... must experiment :D
[13:16]  * Dr_Willis now knows more about umlimit then he will ever need...
[13:16] <zer0x> lol :D
[13:16] <Dr_Willis> make a little script that takes the command as an arbument.. sets ulimits, then spawns the apps. :0
[13:17] <Dr_Willis>  lowulimit.sh  :)
[13:20] <nOStahl> holy crap why is ubuntu 3.9 gigs to download now
[13:21] <rsk> nOStahl: where did you get that figure from?
[13:22] <nOStahl> all i can find is a dvd image
[13:22] <zer0x> Dr_Willis: Yup, looks like thats what I'll be doing! Cheers for having a dig :D
[13:22] <nOStahl> of the beta
[13:22] <HoopyCat> nOStahl:  because you picked the dvd image instead of the cd image?  :-)
[13:22] <HoopyCat> nOStahl:  http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/
[13:22] <nOStahl> every google results in the dvd image..
[13:22] <CShadowRun> I'm trying to update from 9.04 to 9.10, it's been hanging at "Getting new packages, Fetching file 1842 of 1842" for about 10 hours now, what should i do?
[13:22] <zer0x> nOStahl: Its because your looking at cdimage.ubuntu.com
[13:23] <JoshuaL> anyone else having a weird 'system' beep since the latest updates?
[13:23] <nOStahl> k
[13:23] <zer0x> nOStahl: HoopyCat's url should have the CD iso's on it :D
[13:23] <JoshuaL> its reproducible by opening a terminal and pressing backspacve
[13:23] <nOStahl> there we go
[13:23] <nOStahl> much nicer heh
[13:23] <zer0x> :D
[13:24] <nOStahl> its 7:24 am right now
[13:24] <nOStahl> i have to be at my clients house at 9:30 half hour away
[13:24] <zer0x> plenty of time for coffee then :P
[13:24] <nOStahl> and i have to setup a webserver and reinstall a backup of the website before then
[13:24] <zer0x> oh..
[13:24] <nOStahl> :)
[13:24] <zer0x> still :D
[13:25] <nOStahl> i'll have to skip messing with permalinks heh
[13:25] <HoopyCat> nOStahl:  stfu and gbtw!  :-)
[13:25] <zer0x> lol
[13:25] <Spaceman> JoshuaL: there has always been a 'bell' when you backspace and there is nought to eradicate
[13:25] <JoshuaL> Spaceman, well the 'bell' sounds weird now
[13:26] <JoshuaL> like a hum
[13:28] <Spaceman> ooh sounds interesting, is it in arch?
[13:28] <rsk> arch?
[13:29] <legend2440> JoshuaL: if you open system>preferences>sound look for Alerts volume and put check in box next to Mute it stops it
[13:29] <Spaceman> arch linux, somebody suggested I try it, I'm currently downloading an iso
[13:30] <rsk> ok other distros are offtipic here
[13:30] <nOStahl> arch is awesome
[13:30] <rsk> offtopic
[13:30] <JoshuaL> legend2440, its muted
[13:30]  * Dr_Willis would use other words to describe arch also.. :P
[13:30] <JoshuaL> legend2440, still the weird hum
[13:30] <Spaceman> negative words?
[13:30] <Dr_Willis> :)
[13:30] <Spaceman> why?
[13:30] <thiebaude> !offtopic
[13:31] <Spaceman> sorry
[13:31] <Dr_Willis> one of the joys of virtualbox - you can test out disrtos and still keep your nice  ubuntu safe.
[13:31] <nOStahl> im loving this 1.3mb/sec dl speed of the karmic iso
[13:31] <HoopyCat> The red zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in a white zone.
[13:31] <Dr_Willis> Yep.. servers are fast.. whenthey are not overloaded
[13:31] <CShadowRun> Anyone able to help me?
[13:32] <rsk> !ask | CShadowRun
[13:32] <CShadowRun> rsk i did, nobody answered :P
[13:33] <JoshuaL> legend2440, it happens since today
[13:33] <CShadowRun> I'm trying to update from 9.04 to 9.10, it's been hanging at "Getting new packages, Fetching file 1842 of 1842" for about 10 hours now, what should i do?
[13:33] <HoopyCat> CShadowRun:  if it's seized up in the downloading stage, i believe killing it and restarting it should be fine.
[13:33] <CShadowRun> HoopyCat, but it's set my software channels
[13:34] <slacker_nl> does anyone know a lightweight excel reader (doesn't even need to write excel)
[13:34] <filgy> slacker_nl: google docs? ;p
[13:34] <slacker_nl> filgy: not a webbased client
[13:34] <joaopinto> slacker_nl, gnumeric ?
[13:35] <slacker_nl> joaopinto: i know that one, was wondering if there were others
[13:35] <HoopyCat> CShadowRun:  it should figure that out when the updater starts up again.  (it should also remember where it put the downloaded files, too)
[13:35] <legend2440> JoshuaL: open a terminal then Edit profiles. if you uncheck box next to Terminal Bell does it stop it?
[13:35] <CShadowRun> cool, ty :)
[13:35] <CShadowRun> i shall have to give that a go
[13:36] <JoshuaL> legend2440, i can try it but it also happens in other applications like xchat
[13:36] <JoshuaL> and pidgin
[13:37] <JoshuaL> legend2440, that fixes the issue in terminal but not the other application(s)
[13:37] <legend2440> JoshuaL: yes same here with xchat but Mute in Sound stops it here
[13:37] <JoshuaL> doesnt work for me :(
[13:37] <legend2440> JoshuaL: strange
[13:37] <JoshuaL> it sure is
[13:37] <JoshuaL> i have installed all the latests updates for karmic
[13:37] <legend2440> JoshuaL: what if you turn Alerts volume all the way down?
[13:38] <JoshuaL> done that already but still the same
[13:39] <legend2440> JoshuaL: what if in Sound you select None in Sound Theme box?
[13:39] <JoshuaL> legend2440, have done thgat too
[13:40] <JoshuaL> same issue
[13:40] <legend2440> JoshuaL: sorry out of ideas
[13:40] <filgy> are you sure it is not the internal pc speaker making the noise? ;p
[13:40] <JoshuaL> filgy, i am totally sure
[13:42] <JoshuaL> legend2440, me too, but thanks anyways :)
[13:43] <JoshuaL> i have no idea how to fill in the bug report regarding this issue
[13:43] <Dr_Willis> bug report: sound is wonky
[13:43] <Dr_Willis> I still get poping when playing sounds after a long time of silence.
[13:44] <JoshuaL> Dr_Willis, report it? :P
[13:44] <legend2440> Dr_Willis: won't  "wonky" be too technical for them?
[13:44] <Dr_Willis> bug report: sound is buggy
[13:51] <hatchetman82> how can i make x run my nvidia card at full resolution without resorting to the nvidia driver ?
[13:51] <hatchetman82> im not really interested in any 3d, just my screens full resolution
[13:52] <ActionParsnip2> hatchetman82: you can use the open nv driver instead of nvidia
[13:52] <hatchetman82> nouvou you mean ? is it usable ?
[13:53] <coz_> for 2d  probably yes
[13:53] <ActionParsnip2> hatchetman82: gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[13:53] <ActionParsnip2> hatchetman82: change or add the line in the configured video device section to: Driver "nv"
[13:53] <ActionParsnip2> hatchetman82: then restart X
[13:54] <JoshuaL> I filled in a bug report as best as I could: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/449514
[13:54]  * Dr_Willis wonders why not jusst use the nvidia driver...
[13:54] <ActionParsnip2> Dr_Willis: + but its his/her call
[13:54] <ActionParsnip2> nvidia make wonderful drivers
[13:55] <hatchetman82> mostly on principle
[13:55] <Dr_Willis> ive had sustems that i could not get proper res unless i was using the nvidia drivers
[13:55] <thiebaude> ActionParsnip2, yep
[13:55] <hatchetman82> i have no xorg.conf there
[13:55] <ikt> what's the default extension to get something to run in terminal?
[13:55] <ActionParsnip2> hatchetman82: the X in X11 is capitalised
[13:55] <hatchetman82> i know
[13:55] <ActionParsnip2> ikt: any, file extensions are moot
[13:55] <Dr_Willis> ikt:  you set somthing exeutable.. extension dosent matter
[13:55] <ikt> using .script and .bash it pops up with 'do you want to display, run, run in terminal or cancel'
[13:55] <hatchetman82> no xorg.conf
[13:55] <dotblank> ikt, um doesnt really matter but I think you are looking for .sh
[13:55] <Dr_Willis> ikt:  thats gnome being  'smart'
[13:56] <ikt> how do I make it unsmart :P
[13:56] <Dr_Willis> chmod +x whatever
[13:56] <joaopinto> ActionParsnip2, there is no xorg.conf by default on karmic
[13:56] <ActionParsnip2> hatchetman82: strange, you can run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg which should make you one
[13:56] <thiebaude> ActionParsnip2, i thought they did away with xorg.conf in 9.10
[13:56] <joaopinto> ActionParsnip2, not it should not
[13:56] <ikt> yeah it's got +x
[13:56] <ActionParsnip2> joaopinto: ah i see, too used to my script to get my system nice :)
[13:56] <joaopinto> if required, you can create a xorg.conf and it will work
[13:56] <Dr_Willis> there is no default 'extension' to make things runable in the terminal. the terminal looks at the +x gnome however lookd at +x  and the extensions
[13:57] <ikt> ohh
[13:57] <Dr_Willis> chmod -x  whatever    and see if that works
[13:57] <ikt> I mean run in terminal from gnome desktop/nautilus
[13:57] <ActionParsnip2> ikt: linux is smart and doesnt rely on file extensions so much like windows
[13:57] <ikt> like I've got program.script, I double click on it I want it to open in terminal by default
[13:57] <Dr_Willis> make it .sh and +x   perhaps
[13:57] <ActionParsnip2> ikt: just mark it as executable and you can double click it and select run
[13:57] <Dr_Willis> and make it start with a proper #!/bin/bash line also. :)
[13:57] <markit> hi, I've done an aptitude update / dist-upgrade from 9.04, tons of errors, now my laptop does not complete the boot anymore... dubt will be everything ok for end of October
[13:58] <coz_> ikt,  can you upload that script to pastebin.com
[13:58] <joaopinto> mariuz, that is not the precedure to upgrade !
[13:58] <joaopinto> !upgrade | markit
[13:58] <joaopinto> I meant, markit
[13:58] <ActionParsnip2> ikt: i think if you right click and select properties you may find a tick box for "run in a terminal"
[13:58] <hatchetman82> me@toy:/$ find . | grep xorg.conf    finds nothing
[13:58] <hatchetman82> is it possible the default install does not generate one ?
[13:58] <Dr_Willis> I had no xorg.conf untill i ran nvidia-settings.. :)
[13:59] <joaopinto> hatchetman82, the default install does not create a xorg.conf
[13:59] <hatchetman82> if so, how do i generate one ?
[13:59] <thiebaude> Dr_Willis, same here
[13:59] <joaopinto> hatchetman82, you do it manually, if you need one
[13:59] <Dr_Willis> actually even then. I think i copied one over from my 9.04 install to save time
[13:59] <markit> ubottu: oh, was not just a graphical interface to upgrade, but the required procedure? so bad... I don't use graphic interface for updates
[13:59] <coz_> hatchetman82,  why are you  hesitant to use the nvidia driver?
[13:59] <Dr_Willis> If the 'nvidia
[13:59] <thiebaude> Dr_Willis, i did the upgrade from 9.04
[13:59] <Dr_Willis>  drivers are not installed.. then wouldent it be defaulting to the 'nv' drivers?
[13:59] <ActionParsnip2> hatchetman82: here is a fairly blank file: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XORGHardy
[13:59] <markit> and in any case a text based procedure should be provided
[14:00] <coz_> Dr_Willis,  for sure
[14:00] <ActionParsnip2> hatchetman82: you can remove the parts defining mouse and keyboard as those are managed by HAL now
[14:00] <void^_> ikt: check nautilus preferences, behavior tab
[14:00] <hatchetman82> coz_: had multi-monitor woes with it a while back
[14:00] <joaopinto> mariuz, you are not required to use a GUI, however the upgrade is not done aith dist-upgrade, it's done with do-release-upgrade
[14:00] <Dr_Willis> Multi Monitor setup - i definaly use 'nvidia' for those
[14:00] <coz_> hatchetman82,  what kind of woes
[14:00] <markit> joaopinto: I see, thanks for tthe tip (too late, sigh)
[14:00] <joaopinto> dist-upgrade does not properly handle a full release upgrade scenario
[14:00] <filgy> markit: atp-get dist-upgrade would be a text based option..
[14:00] <hatchetman82> resolutions would reset on boot
[14:00] <joaopinto> filgy, it is not
[14:01] <filgy> joaopinto: ahh yea i just read what you put above
[14:01] <thiebaude> joaopinto, was update-manager -d ok to do?
[14:01] <void^_> ikt: (or create a launcher to run the script indirectly)
[14:01] <joaopinto> thiebaude, that is ok
[14:01] <coz_> hatchetman82,  ok  well the way to do that with the nvidia-settings is to open it with   sudo nvidia-settings,,,,make the changes   then save to  x configuration   button
[14:01] <thiebaude> cool
[14:01] <coz_> hatchetman82,  restart x to see if it works  or reboot to test
[14:02] <coz_> hatchetman82,  I am guessing you want dual monitors on each boot correct?
[14:03] <hatchetman82> i want the gdm login replicated on both and then after  login i want an extended virtual desktop
[14:03] <hatchetman82> the monitors are of different resolutions
[14:04] <coz_> hatchetman82,  well  the procedure I mentioned should do it   ...you have to  set the monitor resolutions in   nvidia-settings    thenclick the   write to x configureation   let me open nvidia settings hold on
[14:04] <Dr_Willis> ive never seen gdm 'cloned' to both.. excetp by using the 'clone' feature of twinview.
[14:04]  * hatchetman82 tries the nvidia drivers
[14:04] <hatchetman82> rebooting, be back in a min
[14:05] <coz_> hatchetman82,   ok when you   sudo nvidia-settings  you then click the "X Server display Configuration"
[14:05] <coz_> oy
[14:05] <Dr_Willis> I got GDM on my primary/bigger monitor.  during login. the 2nd lcd just displays a customized wallpaper of the grandkids. :)
[14:05] <coz_> Dr_Willis,  cool :)
[14:05] <Dr_Willis> coz_:  of course every ubuuntu update to xsplasy or whatever.. changes the wallpapers back. :(
[14:06] <coz_> Dr_Willis,  nice to know there';s another grandfather around :)
[14:06] <Dr_Willis> ive still not figured out how gdm/xsplash pick what wallpaper to use.. it sure isent just using the system/monitor res.
[14:06] <Dr_Willis> coz_:  yep. If ya see me spouting random characters... that means the 3 yr old is at  the keyboard again
[14:06] <coz_> lol
[14:07] <coz_> Dr_Willis,  I completely understand :)
[14:07] <Dr_Willis> and the 1 yr old chews on the mouse...
[14:07] <coz_> lol
[14:07]  * Dr_Willis hyptozies the kids with the red mouse led....
[14:07] <BluesKaj> hi folks
[14:07] <coz_> hey guy
[14:10] <BluesKaj> chromium still using a lot of cpu power compared to FF ...they'd better make it more efficent before I switch
[14:10] <hatchetman82> while trying to write conf to xorg file from nvidia control panel, it crashes because the is no xorg file
[14:10] <coz_> whoa just noticed  chess doesnt run to well on karmic :(
[14:10]  * hatchetman82 sent the report
[14:10] <filgy> so if apt-get upgrade does dependency checking, and dist-upgrade should not be used to upgrade to a new release, and a package name should never change mid release.. is there any reason to use dist-upgrade?
[14:11] <hatchetman82> how do i run the nvidia panel as root ?
[14:12] <Pici> filgy: new kernel packages.
[14:12] <Dr_Willis> gksudo nvidia-settings
[14:12] <coz_> hatchetman82,    sudo  nvidia-settings
[14:13] <coz_> or gksudo
[14:13] <hatchetman82> k, ill try saving settings as root
[14:13] <Dr_Willis> kdesudo nvidia-settings
[14:13] <Dr_Willis> sux
[14:13] <Dr_Willis> nvida-settings
[14:13] <Dr_Willis> :)
[14:13] <Dr_Willis> !info sux
[14:13] <Dr_Willis> sux is old-skool....
[14:13] <coz_> :)
[14:13] <coz_> bummer
[14:13] <hatchetman82> bah, i get "failed to parse existing xorg.conf file" and crash again
[14:14] <syn12> hmm.. having a slight problem with karmic. i.e. no X (booting from live cd)
[14:14] <coz_> hatchetman82,  you may want to run  nvidida-xconfig
[14:14] <syn12> Any way I can get intoa terminal to edit xorg.conf??
[14:14] <coz_> sorry
[14:14] <coz_> hatchetman82,    nvidia-xconfg
[14:14] <coz_> damn
[14:14] <hatchetman82> ok
[14:14] <coz_> hatchetman82,  nvidia-xconfig
[14:14] <coz_> that one is speled correctly
[14:14] <syn12> I get * starting remaining crypto disks
[14:14] <coz_> :)
[14:14] <syn12> and then a blank line afterwards
[14:15] <hatchetman82> VALIDATION ERROR: Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
[14:15] <hatchetman82> thats from nvidia-xconfig
[14:15] <Dr_Willis> this is why i had to use my origianal xorg.conf from  my backups
[14:16] <Dr_Willis>  pastebinit  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[14:16] <Dr_Willis> http://pastebin.com/f55baf484
[14:16] <coz_> hatchetman82,  mmmm
[14:16] <Dr_Willis> the nvidia-settings tool is  a little.. brain dead when it cant find all the sections
[14:16]  * Dr_Willis goes back to playing AsciiPortal
[14:17] <Dr_Willis> Grr.. ascii portal is brain dead when it comes to fullscreening to the proper monitor via twinview. :)
[14:17] <coz_> hatchetman82,  well in all honesty  I use dynamic twinview  which is set manually each time i boot because I dont want  dual monitors each time  and dynamic twinview allows me to set then via nvidia-settings after boot
[14:17] <hatchetman82> Undefined Device "(null)" referenced by Screen "Default Screen".
[14:18] <coz_> hatchetman82,  so I may not be of much help here  especially since xorg.conf is not generated with the nvidia driver install
[14:18] <hatchetman82> nvidia wants a beefier file
[14:18] <hatchetman82> ill dig into that later
[14:18] <Dr_Willis> use my example xorg.conf as a basis. and run nvidia-settings and let it read/change the settings in it
[14:18] <hatchetman82> thanks everyone for now
[14:18] <hatchetman82> ok, ill grab your file
[14:19] <coz_> hatchetman82,  I also have xorg.conf after installation of nvidia driver  ...here at least
[14:20] <hatchetman82> probably a skeleton file that comes with the install
[14:20] <syn12> Anyone have any ideas? ;o
[14:27] <Ian_Corne> udo dpkg --configure -a
[14:27] <Ian_Corne> dpkg: parse error, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0004' near line 0:
[14:27] <Ian_Corne> any idea? :p
[14:27] <Ian_Corne> i deleted the file and it worked
[14:32] <EagleScreen> what is the utility of indocator applet?
[14:44] <amortvigil> and is karmic the best ubuntu ever?
[14:44] <joaopinto> amortvigil, every new release is the best release ever :P
[14:45] <johnmn3> joaopinto: agreed. otherwise, what would be the point?
[14:45] <amortvigil> welll... 9.04 certanly not!
[14:45] <amortvigil> 9.04 is like the vista in windows :P
[14:45] <HoopyCat> on the same day, i installed karmic beta on one computer and a slice of bread (the previous best thing ever) on another computer.  already, the trendlines of quality are diverging
[14:45] <johnmn3> I'm sure the release team thought it was a step forward
[14:46] <joaopinto> amortvigil, I am very happy with 9.04, it brought a significant improvement in both boot and regular disk I/O operations with the ext4
[14:46] <HoopyCat> and i dunno... i've been happy with 9.04, aside from the update/reboot-required icons in the notification area thing going away.
[14:47] <HoopyCat> (that got wontfix'd, so i've replaced it with post-it notes)
[14:48] <omgmog> Does anybody know how I would go about editing the visible icons on the desktop launcher of UNR on 9.10?
[14:48] <johnmn3> so, I'm booted into ubuntu without X.. without gnome or X, will an external/usb cd drive auto mount when I put a disc in?
[14:49] <zer0x> Is there any way to get to the grub2 menu on karmic without going and enabling the menu timeout in the config?
[14:49] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. does http://home.disney.go.com/tv/  work for anyone in FF under 9.10 ? page is totally blank here.
[14:50] <kulight> Dr_Willis: its very slow but it works
[14:50] <coz_> Dr_Willis,  it is working here
[14:50] <johnmn3> thanks guys.. it's like you all waited for me to ask a question, then rushed in like it's a party.. thanks.
[14:50] <Dr_Willis> Odd.. its blank in FF.. but worked in Chromium
[14:50] <johnmn3> just kidding ;)
[14:51] <coz_> johnmn3,   we are just lonley old men
[14:51] <joaopinto> johnmn3, donk think so, since that's managed by a gnome service
[14:52] <HoopyCat> johnmn3:  i usually go for the "if i don't know the answer, remain silent" approach... only thing more discouraging than silence would be 320 people saying "no idea, sorry" :-)  (i don't think so, however... i'd try it, but i'm on the way out the door)
[14:52] <johnmn3> right.. just verified.. had to mount it manuallyu
[14:52] <omgmog> no idea, sorry ;D
[14:52] <omgmog> There is such little documentation around for UNR :/
[14:53] <johnmn3> contributing to the problem was that I was using a usb hub, which apparently is enough to spin up and blink the drive, but not enough to mount
[14:53] <johnmn3> plugging it directly in, then manually mounting, works
[14:53] <domjohnson> h'llo
[14:54] <Dr_Willis> aha - the adblock+ extension was breaking the site. :)
[14:55] <johnmn3> ok
[14:55] <zer0x> ok, say I have no bootable media, new install, X refuses to work, for some reason I can't Ctrl-Alt-F1 to get a console... how the heck do I get to the grub menu to select recovery console etc ?!
[14:56] <johnmn3> so I need to start labelling my discs.. found an ubuntu disc finally.. now I gotta _reinstall_!! sucks!.. but my .. zer0x: esc esc esc esc
[14:56] <johnmn3> really fast on boot up
[14:56] <ActionParsnip2> zer0x: boot to grub (you may have to press esc to show grub's menu), then select recovery mode
[14:57] <ActionParsnip2> zer0x: or you can use e to edit the entry for that boot this time only
[14:57] <zer0x> ActionParsnip2: this is the problem.. the menu timeout is disabled in karmic, pressing ESC at GRUB has no effect..
[14:58] <johnmn3> I wish there was a way to recover my current koala, without having to do a reinstall (and then updated 500 megs over my 1kbps link).. is that possible with a live disc?
[14:58] <johnmn3> zer0x: works for me.. just keep hitting it real fast
[14:58] <johnmn3> zer0x: I just did it last night
[14:58] <ActionParsnip2> zer0x: press esc as soon as the post beeb happens
[14:58] <ActionParsnip2> zer0x: go track and field on its ass
[14:59] <johnmn3> yea, switch to your ring finger if you get tired
[14:59] <zer0x> johnmn3: that is good news! Yup, I shall attack my keyboard with a flexible portable fan blade!
[14:59] <omgmog> Just holding the key should be enough
[14:59] <mac_v> ActionParsnip2: actually it  "esc" doesnt seem to work for several systems
[15:00] <ActionParsnip2> mac_v: i thought esc opened up grubs menu rather than it doing all the defaults
[15:00] <oldude67> the first thing i did was add a timeout to mine
[15:00] <johnmn3> hmmm. the question is which one... so maybe smashing all the keys on the keyboard at the same time will be required
[15:00] <mac_v> ActionParsnip2: previously "shift" worked for me ... but now nothing works :/
[15:01] <zer0x> well I did give it a good go on ESC the other day to no avail.. I will try harder this evening!
[15:01] <mac_v> as a workaround i added 1 sec timeout
[15:01] <johnmn3> perhaps some elaborate 101 button scaffold should be created
[15:01] <paolino> grub tries to destroy the hd on which the kernel of 9.10 is installed, is it just here?
[15:02] <omgmog> You need one of these, http://www.wellho.net/pix/pecker.jpg
[15:03]  * johnmn3 has no x
[15:03] <johnmn3> so I'm off to reinstall.. see ya's later
[15:03] <zer0x> omgmog: lol, always wanted one of those!
[15:04] <omgmog> I think there was a Simpsons episode that used it for pressing a key ;D
[15:04] <zer0x> omgmog: thats where I first saw one! :D
[15:04] <paolino> I installed beta one second hard disk, and still booting from the first. Maybe is a sata/ata problem, who knows :-/
[15:04] <Dr_Willis> They have those birds like that - only they sit on top of your monitor.. the heat from the monitor make them bob up/down
[15:05] <paolino> that sound is awful anyway
[15:05] <Dr_Willis> omgmog:  it was pressing the Y key. :)
[15:05] <zer0x> mac_v: so for you the ESC press does not work (without setting timeout)?
[15:05] <omgmog> Ah yes, I think it could be coaxed into pressing an ESC key though ;D
[15:05] <zer0x> d0h :D
[15:06] <omgmog> This is quite frustrating, the UNR desktop launcher seems to be getting cut off on my 1280x800 laptop screen.
[15:06] <paolino> I suppose nobody else here has this problem
[15:06] <oldude67> ummm doughnuts...:D
[15:06] <omgmog> When your computer boots, can't you press a button to select which media to boot from?
[15:06] <syn12> Having a problem with booting. X server won't start and keeps returning me to black screen with last line: * Starting remaining crypto disks.... Gfx card: Nvidia 7800GS.
[15:07] <paolino> omgmog: the problem is the terrible long sound grub is doing
[15:07] <paolino> well, making my hd do
[15:07] <oldude67> paolino, sounds like a bad hard drive.
[15:07] <paolino> before showing the menu
[15:08] <omgmog> If your hdd is making any sound, it could mean it's dying. If it sounds like a beep/high pitched noise, it is likely the heads parking
[15:08] <zer0x> Here is a perfect example, can syn12 get to the grub boot menu?
[15:08] <syn12> Yes
[15:08] <paolino> well, it's just doing it owith grub running
[15:08] <mac_v> zer0x: nope.. doesnt work
[15:09] <paolino> during normal compilations and such no strange noise
[15:09] <oldude67> paolino, try running a disk wizard on the disk and see if it errors.
[15:09] <zer0x> mac_v: uh oh, I think I might have the same problem.. imagine If I couldn't get to the config to enable the timeout! what the hell would I do!?!?
[15:09] <paolino> hints on a disk wizard ?
[15:09] <oldude67> paolino, what type of drive is it?
[15:10] <paolino> pata
[15:10] <oldude67> name brand?
[15:10] <zer0x> syn12: have you tried installing the nvidia driver from the console?
[15:10] <mac_v> zer0x: lol...you'd still boot into your system , just not to the one of your choice ;)
[15:10] <paolino> maxtor diamond
[15:10] <zer0x> mac_v: d0h :D
[15:10] <syn12> zer0x, I can't get a console.. this is running off the live cd
[15:10] <oldude67> paolino, then go to www.maxtor.com and download it. and make a disk and boot from it.
[15:11] <paolino> thanks
[15:11] <oldude67> yw
[15:11] <syn12> I'm guessing I'll have to download the alternate cd.. but I don't really want too if I can get a workaround
[15:11] <LoRe_> Dr_Willis: apt-get remove apparmor solved my problem with evince
[15:15] <zer0x> syn12: If you can't get to a console with Ctrl-Alt-F1 (I've never tried that on the livecd), then I guess the alternate installer is the best option :(
[15:15] <syn12> mmm
[15:15] <syn12> i get copying package lists on f1 with about 0% responsiveness
[15:15] <syn12> stupid pos ;/
[15:16] <zer0x> I'm guessing you've tried other numbers with no luck?
[15:16] <syn12> Yep
[15:17] <syn12> I should have known this would have happened though
[15:17] <syn12> debian didn't like the stock standard xorg.conf either
[15:17] <syn12> Although I would have thought ubuntu's would have been more accepting
[15:18] <Unggnu> hi all
[15:18] <Unggnu> Does anyone here have a Inspiron 1525 and can test something in Grub for me?
[15:18] <Dr_Willis> LoRe_:  file a bug on apparmor - it should have a profile that allows that i imagine.. odd it did not affect here.
[15:19] <zer0x> I'd just bite the bullet and go for the alternate :/ X will do all it can to autodetect, what display are you using?
[15:20] <omgmog> I'm on a 1525 Unggnu, what'd you want tested?
[15:21] <Unggnu> omgmog, cool, thx
[15:25] <syn12> zer0x, a shitty crt
[15:30] <zer0x> syn12: umm, well I'm stumped, I'd definately go for the alternate, doesn't look like anyone has any ideas what to do in this situation.. I guess this is half the reason for the existance of the alternate :D
[15:30] <syn12> Yeah
[15:30] <syn12> im going stable this time
[15:31] <syn12> never actually installed ubuntu desktop.. only server
[15:31] <syn12> guess thats what vista does to people
[15:31] <zer0x> lol :D
[15:32] <syn12> ever been a fbsd user zer0x?
[15:32] <zer0x> openbsd :D
[15:32] <zer0x> need to update the old beast.. still on 4.3 :/
[15:33] <zer0x> Nov 1st! will come soon enough!
[15:33] <LoRe_> Dr_Willis: i think the problem is that app armor fails on the symlink off /home to /export/home, my home is /home/danielt... bug is filed already
[15:36] <syn12> lol
[15:36] <syn12> You actually like obsd, zer0x?
[15:36] <syn12> or use it just for security
[15:37] <zer0x> syn12: It has a soothing affect on me :D I started because of the security, but its just the feel of the system, and the _huge_ amount of documentation!
[15:37] <syn12> Aye
[15:37] <syn12> all bsd variants seem to have amazing documentation
[15:38] <syn12> ive used it once or twice but freebsd always takes the cake for me
[15:38] <syn12> except for desktop systems
[15:38] <syn12> ugh.
[15:40] <zer0x> I've used OpenBSD as a desktop system, fluxbox FTW! but yes, in the end its linux for that job :D
[15:43] <EagleScreen> what is Indicator applet function in 9.10?
[15:43] <zer0x> I like the fact I've got one machine built purely from source without even one nugget of proprietary evil, I think half the reason I've never tried freebsd is that it allows binary blobs.. and as soon as I'm in that territory I might as well use linux :D
[15:45] <omgmog> EagleScreen: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MessagingMenu/
[15:49] <CShadowRun> Hi, upgraded to karmic, got problems :(
[15:50] <CShadowRun> after finally getting through the update (it messed up twice), i am now on karmic
[15:50] <CShadowRun> and, my mouse pointer is always showing the loading cursor (the round circle)
[15:50] <CShadowRun> and, all the icons in my menu are gone
[15:51] <gsedej> Hi! I have problems with 9.10 beta. It can't run nautilus. it is starting to run multiple windows, but it never starts. Reset and deletion of nautilus cache files does not help
[15:52] <gsedej> it says in output: nautilus 9551; segfault at b7600fec if ....
[15:52] <gsedej> (nautilus:9681): Eel-CRITICAL **: eel_preferences_get_boolean: assertion `preferences_is_initialized ()' failed
[15:52] <gsedej> ...
[15:52] <gsedej> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[15:52] <Ian_Corne> do you get the error report option?
[15:52] <Ian_Corne> are you fully up to date?
[15:53] <gsedej> yes, just updated
[15:53] <gsedej> I just stated today when I restarted
[15:53] <gsedej> before I updated
[15:53] <gsedej> I tried to remove all nautilus addons that I can
[15:53] <gsedej> I reinstalled nautilus in synaptic
[15:54] <gsedej> but it does not help
[15:54] <Dr_Willis> try it with a newly made user?
[15:54] <gsedej> what else can I do
[15:54] <uffo> has anyone tested Transmission torrent creating feature, looks like it creates broken .torrent files.
[15:54] <CShadowRun> gsedej, i just upgraded, have the same problem as you
[15:54] <CShadowRun> only i don't get the segfault
[15:55] <CShadowRun> (but nautilus doesn't start)
[15:55] <Dr_Willis> I get that message.. but nautilus starts
[15:55] <CShadowRun> (nautilus:14798): Eel-CRITICAL **: eel_preferences_get_boolean: assertion `preferences_is_initialized ()' failed
[15:55] <CShadowRun> (nautilus:14798): Unique-DBus-WARNING **: Error while sending message: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus
[15:55] <CShadowRun> and no nautilus
[15:56] <gsedej> CShadowRun, I just statring nautilus and fulls the CPU, I need 20x to killall nautilus
[15:56] <CShadowRun> haha
[15:58] <Gika> hello
[15:59] <Gika> my scheduled taks (gnome-schedule) doesn't work anymore after upgrading to karmic, anyone knows why?
[16:01] <CShadowRun> i guess that means no nautilus on karmic lol
[16:02] <CShadowRun> gsedej haha it works if i run it with sudo
[16:02] <CShadowRun> and now it works normally
[16:03] <jimpop> any other psb (Poulsbo) users here?
[16:07] <CShadowRun> wtf my keyboard layout just randomly changed to qwerty
[16:07] <gsedej> hello again! I created new user. It does not (yet:P) have problems with opening nautilus
[16:07] <gsedej> which are all files related to configuration of nautilus
[16:08] <CShadowRun> awesome, my layout is set to colemak in the keyboard preferences. But that has no effect
[16:09] <Dr_Willis> stuff in .gnome* and .gtk* and .gconf*
[16:09] <CShadowRun> colemak keyboard, stuck on a qwerty layout...keyboard preferences dialog has no effect
[16:11] <CShadowRun> i created another layout, set it to default, set the default back to colemak, deleted the other layout. Back on colemak now
[16:11] <Dr_Willis> reformat/reinstall... Oh wait thats for #windows
[16:11] <CShadowRun> that keyboard preferences dialog is a bit useless.
[16:11] <Dr_Willis> :)
[16:11] <CShadowRun> Dr_Willis, getting tempted to do that actually lol, this is so broken
[16:12] <CShadowRun> that's the second time the system has changed my keyboard layout without any input from me, along with nautilus not working, my cursor being a 24/7 waiting icon, and all the icons in the applications menu being gone
[16:12] <CShadowRun> and i've only been using it for like 5 minutes
[16:12] <Pici> CShadowRun: Have you logged a bug yet?
[16:12] <CShadowRun> nope
[16:12] <CShadowRun> holy crap gnome-panel is on crazy pills
[16:12] <CShadowRun> no wonder my system is a 24/7 waiting icon
[16:12] <CShadowRun> if i start up gnome-panel
[16:13] <CShadowRun> it just fills up with applications starting
[16:13] <CShadowRun> Starting File manager, twice a second ish
[16:13] <libervisco> Hi
[16:13] <CShadowRun> my panel just goes to "............." after like 5sec"
[16:13] <libervisco> How's beta serving you guys? Good to do a clean install?
[16:13] <libervisco> kubuntu namely
[16:14] <CShadowRun> i think i will do a clean install unless anything comes up on the forum, luckily i have seperate /home
[16:14] <JanC89> mezquitale, hi again. Could you tell me the solution in here?
[16:15] <bjorkintosh> i just apt-get the latest upgrade and now my sound's gone.
[16:15] <mezquitale> JanC89, can you please repost, maybe someone else knows the answer from the top of their head while I boot up my laptop with karmic
[16:15] <bjorkintosh> is this a known issue?
[16:15] <JanC89> Hi! Just installed Ubuntu on my Macbook version 2.1. However the keyboard layout isn't quite right. The "alt gr" doesn't work, so I can't do the "at" sign etc. I've then remapped the keys using xmodmap, and now the at signs work. However, only in the terminal. I think it has to do with the fact that Ubuntu now uses X Keyboard Extension. I've tried to change layout using the preference tool, but cant get the at sign to work (Ubuntu 9.10)
[16:16] <elumbella> hi there. i updated to karmic yesterday. and since then, it hangs on booting directly after the login. after a while i get an error-message, that nautilus crashed. any ideas?
[16:17] <Ian_Corne> hehe
[16:17] <mezquitale> JanC89, try going into "alt/win behavior" and click on "alt and meta are alt keys
[16:17] <Ian_Corne> i've got a feeling we'll get that alot here now
[16:18] <elumbella> i just fixed a problem which occured earlier while booting
[16:18] <JanC89> mezquitale, I'm getting a XKB configuration error.
[16:18] <gsedej> hello! I moved entirely .gconf .nautilus folders from problemathic use home folder, but thre is still "starting nautilus error" What else can I do
[16:20] <mezquitale> JanC89, that is how I fixed my dell laptop, there was an option in there that fixed it, if youre having issues with the utility maybe someone else that knows more can help you, i personally never touch macs though
[16:20] <JanC89> Maybe that is why it wont work. It appears as if the GUI frontend to XKB doesn't make the actual change, because of the error
[16:21] <JanC89> mezquitale, ok. Thanks for the help anyway
[16:22] <mezquitale> JanC89, it looks like there is an issue with the utility in just your machine.  I had the same problem but I was able to fix it using the utility, you might try googling around but the solution you find could be just a little different for karmic
[16:23] <JanC89> mezquitale, ok. Seems to be a problem when running Ubuntu on a mac. Got the same error from the utility when trying 9.04 on my mac
[16:23] <mezquitale> JanC89, also try logging in later on at night today, most of the most experienced users log in later on at night
[16:23] <JanC89> I will - thanks for the help again
[16:24] <mezquitale> JanC89, here is your chance to fix that, you can submit a bug report so that future releases of ubuntu work out of the box on your mac
[16:24] <JanC89> I'll see if I can find the config file for XKB and make the change directly into that
[16:24] <mezquitale> Karmic will be released in 3 weeks maybe someone can have a chance to fix that between now and then
[16:25] <jimpop> ha
[16:26] <blueglasses> mezquitale, did you tryed console: setxkbmap contrycode, where countrycode is your language?
[16:26] <elumbella> any ideas for that nautilus-problem?
[16:27] <mezquitale> blueglasses, i fixed my laptop, it's fine, JanC89 is having issues with his mac
[16:27] <sdg> dtchen: Okay, so it's not a PA problem.
[16:27] <sdg> dtchen: Even with PA gone, my LFE is coming out of my centre channel.
[16:27] <blueglasses> elumbella, can you acess a prompt?
[16:28] <elumbella> i tried, but i only had very nice colourful stripes :)
[16:28] <blueglasses> elumbella, try booting from recovery
[16:28] <JanC89> So, does anyone know if it's possible to remap keys with XKB similar to xmodmap?
[16:28] <mezquitale> how come the folder icons on my desktop always get aligned to the left, I move them to the right, unclick "Keep Aligned", when I log in the folders are always to the left and "Keep Aligned" is checked
[16:28] <elumbella> blueglasses: i tried booting from recovery, didn't work
[16:29] <blueglasses> elumbella, what happend?
[16:29] <mezquitale> JanC89, ezquitale, did you tryed console: setxkbmap contrycode, where countrycode is your language
[16:29] <JanC89> Yeah
[16:29] <elumbella> it hung up by starting nautilus and same coloured stripes on the other consoles
[16:29] <jonathan_> hello!
[16:29] <JanC89> Except for alt gr - all buttons work as expectef.
[16:30] <JanC89> *expectef
[16:31] <JanC89> The easy solution for me would be to get xmodmap to override any keyboard layout configuration
[16:31] <jonathan_> First; I'm using kubuntu. I'm currently trying to upgrade my kubuntu from 9.04 to 9.10, but the upgrade-manager seems to stop during the last package downloaded. There stands "File 1569 of 1569 is downloaded" for the last half hour and nothing changed. Any Ideas what to do now? shall i close the upgrade manager?
[16:31] <elumbella> blueglasses: it hung up by starting nautilus and same coloured stripes on the other consoles
[16:31] <blueglasses> elumbella, I may be wrong but nautilus isnt needed to start recovery from grub...
[16:32] <elumbella> blueglasses: that may be right, but i don't get a console to work from, even in recovery
[16:33] <elumbella> blueglasses: should i delete the .nautilus folder, like gsedej did?
[16:33] <bjorkintosh> is OSS preferred over ALSA?
[16:34] <bipolar> ugh... cdimage.ubuntu.com is getting hammered.
[16:34] <bipolar> bjorkintosh: I don't think so.
[16:34] <mezquitale> JanC89, have you tried this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro2-1_2-2/Jaunty
[16:34] <blueglasses> elumbella, yesterday I had a similar problem, system hanged on black screen after update and reboot, I shut it down, went to sleep, today it was working... this is stupid, but try complete shutdown (power too)
[16:34] <bjorkintosh> i'm tempted to rip it out completely because ALSA's giving me a bit of trouble.
[16:35] <bjorkintosh> it's never seemed to work just right.
[16:35] <blueglasses> elumbella, idk, i didnt, but try it
[16:35] <jonathan_> no idea for my problem?
[16:35] <bipolar> bjorkintosh: probbly nothing wrong with alsa itself. What trouble is it giving you?
[16:35] <uffo> U9.10 Transmision torrent creation is broken can anyone confirm this???
[16:35] <bjorkintosh> no sound at all.
[16:36] <elumbella> blueglasses: yeah, sounds kind of stupid ;) no offense. but i shut down already and its very annoying, booting the live-cd everytime it doesn't work...
[16:36] <bjorkintosh> vlc and mplayer aren't reporting any problems.
[16:36] <JanC89> mezquitale, there is a fix for Macbook Pro (which again has a diffrent keyboard layout than mine). Howerver, it also requires the keyboard utility tool - which is broken in my setup
[16:36] <bjorkintosh> and i've checked the mixer levels n times so far.
[16:36] <blueglasses> elumbella, sorry, i thought you had the system already installed
[16:36] <bjorkintosh> and yes, the speakers are plugged in.
[16:36] <alex_mayorga> anyone getting a blank screen when switching users?
[16:37] <elumbella> blueglasses: well, i have. but it doesn't boot. this is why i'm using a live cd right now
[16:37] <bipolar> bjorkintosh: do you get sound with any apps?
[16:37] <bjorkintosh> none.
[16:37] <bjorkintosh> it WAS working before the last dist-upgrade
[16:38] <blueglasses> elumbella, I upgraded from jaunty, maybe you try another iso? sometimes cd burn has errors
[16:38] <bipolar> bjorkintosh: My up to date karmic system (that I'm typing on now) has working sound. How did you check your mixer levels?
[16:38] <omgmog> There were some alsa updates earlier today iirc. Check that the correct hardware device is selected for output, bjorkintosh
[16:38] <elumbella> blueglasses: i upgraded from jaunty...
[16:38] <ninjah> I've got sound on my system
[16:38] <blueglasses> elumbella, so why the live cd?
[16:39] <bjorkintosh> omgmog, alsaconfig doesn't work on ubuntu, how do i check that?
[16:39] <bjorkintosh> bipolar, with alsamixer
[16:39] <mezquitale> JanC89, I would attempt to fix the utility and ask someone in the room if you could reinstall the utility, hopefully youll bump into someone that uses a mac
[16:39] <elumbella> blueglasses: what are you talking about? i fucked my system by updating to karmic
[16:39] <omgmog> right click the sound applet icon > sound preferences > hardware tab and output tab
[16:40] <elumbella> this is why i have to use a live cd (jaunty)
[16:40] <Pici> elumbella: Please mind your language here
[16:40] <jimpop> lol
[16:41] <mezquitale> elumbella, you have learned something here today, dont upgrade your system to an alpha release, karmic is still in the last stages of development
[16:41] <blueglasses> elumbella, did the system ever worked after update?
[16:41] <elumbella> sorry for the language, but i'm actually a bit annoyed
[16:41] <elumbella> blueglasses: nope
[16:42] <jimpop> mezquitale, karmic is BETA
[16:42] <bjorkintosh> i don't get it... why's there alsa and then pulseaudio just to get sound working?
[16:42] <elumbella> mezquitale: yeah, i know. it's even the second time i broke my system with karmic ;)
[16:42] <bjorkintosh> it seems like X all over again with all it's b.s.
[16:42] <JMFTheVCI> elumbella: what are the symptoms of your messed up karmic?
[16:42] <jimpop> oh, is it pissing on pulseaudio time again?
[16:42] <bjorkintosh> jimpop, and alsa too.
[16:42] <bjorkintosh> both. yes.
[16:42] <mezquitale> jimpop, on that's right, karmic is now in beta, it's still not an official release, it still has a few bugs that need to be fixed
[16:43] <jimpop> BETA implies all but unknown/undocumented bugs
[16:43] <blueglasses> elumbella, maybe you should acess your files, back them up using the live cd, and reinstall.
[16:43] <elumbella> JMFTheVCI: after logging in, only the wallpapers and the mouse-pointer appear. i can switch between workspaces, but i get no panels, icons whatever
[16:43] <bjorkintosh> the damned thing was working this morning.
[16:43] <jimpop> so... either Karmic was rushed to BETA or it wasn't really tested well in ALPHA
[16:44] <omgmog> elumbella sounds like there is something wrong with your gnome, from terminal try removing gnome and then reinstalling it
[16:44] <mezquitale> elumbella, I installed karmic on my laptop but I did the dual-boot which didnt work in the beginning because of grub2 however someone in the room helped me fix the jaunty karmic dual boot on my laptop, so far karmic is the best ubuntu distro i've seen, i cant wait for karmic's official release
[16:44] <elumbella> blueglasses: i have a seperate home-partition. but my system is ALMOST working, and because of that, i don't think, a complete reinstall is necessary
[16:44] <JMFTheVCI> elumbella: KDE, Gnome, other?
[16:44] <elumbella> omgmog: is there a way doing this in chroot?
[16:45] <elumbella> JMFTheVCI: gnome
[16:45] <blueglasses> elumbella, try switching to console using ALT + F1
[16:45] <omgmog> You should be able to access the console with alt+f1
[16:45] <JMFTheVCI> elumbella: I had to do about three reboots to get logged in this morning. I was getting the white screen of nothingness
[16:45] <blueglasses> elumbella, sorry CTRL+ ALT + F1
[16:46] <blueglasses> I get the black one
[16:46] <elumbella> blueglasses, ogmog: i did, but i only have coloured stripes there
[16:46] <blueglasses> but after package upgrade it was nice again
[16:46]  * jimpop has now rebooted more solving karmic issues than fixing win95 issues
[16:46] <JMFTheVCI> elumbella: Yup, ctrl-alt-F1 was not working for me either. Let me guess Intel Graphics?
[16:46] <mezquitale> jimpop, but if you dont report the bugs then obviously nobody knows about it, I dont think there was any rush, we need to report the bugs when we see them otherwise they will keep reappering in the next releases
[16:47] <blueglasses> elumbella, it looks like x is misconfigured... cant help you with that one... sorry
[16:47] <elumbella> JMFTheVCI: nvidia in fact. but maybe they use the same chips...
[16:47] <Tronic> With Nvidia I get garbage instead of text.
[16:47] <jimpop> mezquitale, yet despite the ever increasing bug reports... karmic will still be released this month
[16:47] <blueglasses> I have nvidia too.
[16:47] <elumbella> blueglasses: thanks a lot anyway _)
[16:47] <Tronic> Apparently it uses the graphic mode used by the splash image when it should use the text mode.
[16:48] <JMFTheVCI> bluegrass: If mine was misconfigured, why would three boots, two to white and nothingness, the third to normal working order complete with Compiz, make any difference. the xorg.conf is probably default.
[16:48] <blueglasses> elumbella, you are welcome :-)
[16:48] <Tronic> This is probably going to be the buggiest release in a while.
[16:48] <jimpop> yep
[16:48] <omgmog> I think it will be fine, it seems perfect with a clean install for me on an Inspiron 1525 with intel gma x3100 graphics - full compiz and everything.
[16:49] <bipolar> nah. I've found it to be much better then several of the older releases.
[16:49] <bjorkintosh> what about using jackd instead of pulse, is it recommendable?
[16:49] <elumbella> Tronic: yeah, i was surpised too.  i tried the jaunty-beta and it was working much better
[16:49] <jimpop> couple that with all the new hardware that karmic will be installed on (netbooks, etc)... and it's a match for disaster
[16:49] <bipolar> bjorkintosh: jack is not for normal desktop audio.
[16:49] <mezquitale> it's going to be the buggiest, maybe, but it will be worth the while considering its functionality, it works great on my laptop, i love the network manager in karmic, it's awesome, better than redmond
[16:49] <bjorkintosh> gaaah!
[16:49] <JMFTheVCI> I don't have enough experience of previous releases except Jaunty. That was very stable. Karmic has been good to me since Alpha 2 and that was an upgrade. Recent changes, around usplash/xplash, are probably to blame.
[16:49] <bjorkintosh> why is it so tedious to get sound going on debian?
[16:49] <bipolar> too much cpu usage to get 'real time' audio.
[16:50] <bjorkintosh> in freebsd it's a simple matter of reminding the kernel to load the right module.
[16:50] <bjorkintosh> done, and frigging done!
[16:50] <mezquitale> bjorkintosh, that is why i choose ubuntustudio
[16:50] <bipolar> bjorkintosh: not having any issues here at all. Sound has worked for me on all my systems since hardy.
[16:50] <JMFTheVCI> bjorkintosh: dual booting (with XP or Win7) show just how poor sound in Ubuntu is.
[16:51] <elumbella> so, any ideas apart from rebooting and hoping?
[16:51] <ninjah> bjorkintosh: Sound has always been funky in Linux....
[16:51] <bjorkintosh> bipolar, you probably did the automated gui bit... i'm using the commandline.
[16:51] <jimpop> bipolar, what hardware?
[16:51] <bipolar> bjorkintosh: not sure what you mean. what automated gui bit?
[16:51] <mezquitale> karmic, real time kernel, alsa, jack, and many more audio applications already installed and configured = ubuntustudio
[16:51] <legend2440> anyone who's ctrl+alt+f1-f6 consoles are messed up its because of the usplah update. i got them to work by removing the word "splash" in the /etc/default/grub file and after saving change run sudo update-grub
[16:51] <bjorkintosh> bipolar, i ripped gnome out of my system several jaunty's ago.
[16:51] <bjorkintosh> it was just slowing everything down and getting in my way.
[16:51] <bjorkintosh> but when i had it, everything worked nicely.
[16:52] <JMFTheVCI> elumbella: If the reboots did not fix it for me then it was going to be a clean Karmic install. Managed to avoid that by doing nothing except reboot. Not exactly reassuring.
[16:52] <bipolar> jimpop: this machine is "Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51"
[16:52] <ninjah> bjorkintosh: Don't mess with it if its working.
[16:52] <ninjah> ;)
[16:52] <elumbella> legend2440: that sounds nice, i'll try that
[16:52] <samjam> Lately on karmic SOMETIMES my mp3's have been sounding dreadfully out of tune - the pitch keeps changing slightly during playback. Has anyone else noticed this? I get the problem using bluetooth headset, analogue speakers, or microsoft usb speakers.
[16:52] <bipolar> bjorkintosh: sounds like you ripped something out you shouldn't have :)
[16:52] <bjorkintosh> ninjah, it wasn't working satisfactorily.
[16:53] <ninjah> Worked fine for me
[16:53] <bjorkintosh> bipolar, but i fixed it again. sound started working though there was some garbling in firefox after a few videos...
[16:53] <samjam> I've stopped my CPU clock speed varying, and rule that out as a cause. I'm now looking at simultaneous output from padevchooser as being a cause.
[16:53] <bjorkintosh> but, just this morning i updated karmic and it's gone.
[16:53] <JMFTheVCI> legend2440: will removing the "splash" option totally stop the xsplash?
[16:53] <alex_mayorga> anyone experiencing FUSA issues?
[16:54] <alex_mayorga> my screen goes blank when A is logged, B logs in and I try to go back to A BAM! BSOD
[16:54] <legend2440> JMFTheVCI: only difference i see is there is some text at begginning of boot and then the progress bar shows up. but at least the consoles f1-f6 work now
[16:55] <bipolar> alex_mayorga: lol.... BSOD?
[16:55] <elumbella> legend2440: i dont have the file /etc/default/grub :/
[16:55] <JMFTheVCI> legend2440: I have gotten text at boot. This is because xsplash starts so much later than usplash used to.
[16:55] <JMFTheVCI> elumbella: then you are on grub classic.
[16:56] <legend2440> elumbella: did you do a upgrade or clean install?
[16:56] <elumbella> yep, i am. i did an update
[16:56] <elumbella> i don't think it has anything to do with grub
[16:56] <JMFTheVCI> elumbella: you will need to edit /boot/grub/menu.cfg (or conf, not sure)
[16:56] <legend2440> elumbella: then you can probably edit  /boot/grub/menu.lst file with same result
[16:57] <GastonLaGafff> Hello. Is there a solution to avoid this bug Bug #432237 ? I can boot but only with the ubuntu kernel, and I need an official kernel to use an encrypted partition. The official kernel also gives me a much better sound.
[16:57] <spazzpp2> Hi.. I got a problem with a mute pulseaudio and gonna need help with that.
[16:57] <spazzpp2> i already tried this: http://freakingtips.com/2009/09/03/ubuntu-karmic-koala-sound/
[16:57] <ViRii[K]> Im running two monitors in 9.10 with an nvidia video card and the recommended drivers... I setup the monitors to be twin view but they are acting like one (making the default programs start in the middle of both, and gnome-do sits in the middle of both) is there anyway to fix this so it makes one the primary (I have that selected in the nvidia settings, but it still puts it in the middle)
[16:58] <spazzpp2> but pulseaudio mixer still lists only "Dummy Output"
[16:58] <ViRii[K]> Is this a karmic thing, an ubuntu thing or an nvidia thing?
[16:59] <elumbella> legend2440, JMFTheVCI: thanks a lot, i'll reboot now
[16:59] <bjorkintosh> is modprobe snd supposed to give an output?
[16:59] <elumbella> cyas
[16:59] <bipolar> ViRii[K]: thats what twin view does, iirc.
[16:59] <ViRii[K]> I had twin view setup on a fedora install and it didnt do this
[17:00] <bipolar> ViRii[K]: it's a Nvidia thing. Twin View has diffrent 'types'. One is 'all monitors = one big desktop'. this is not xinerama.
[17:01] <bipolar> ViRii[K]: this means X only sees one monitor, not two, so the middle of the screen is in between the monitors.
[17:02] <syn12> zer0x, X worked fine on 9.04 out of the box (after alternate install)
[17:02] <zmjjmz> guys
[17:02] <zmjjmz> it's not safe to update
[17:02] <zmjjmz> I learned that the hard way
[17:02] <syn12> just had to install proprietary drivers
[17:02] <ViRii[K]> So how can I change it so that I still have two monitors ubt x sees both?
[17:02] <syn12> for nvidia card
[17:02] <zer0x> syn12: excellent news :D
[17:02] <syn12> Yes indeed :d
[17:03] <syn12> Hopefully the problem is resolved by the time it's released
[17:03] <syn12> The only reason I went to try the beta is because I thought, being so close to realise, most of the bugs would be ironed
[17:03] <zer0x> hehe, umm... I'd wait for Release Candidate :D
[17:04] <ViRii[K]> I was under the same mindset syn12 :P
[17:04] <syn12> lol
[17:04] <ViRii[K]> So Im downloading 9.04
[17:04] <ViRii[K]> :P
[17:04] <syn12> Isn't final only 17 days away?
[17:04] <bipolar> ViRii[K]: I'm not sure if the nvidia-settings package will help you or not. I would start there.
[17:04] <ViRii[K]> yeah
[17:04] <zer0x> yup :D
[17:04] <ViRii[K]> kk thanks bipolar
[17:04] <syn12> nvidia ftw
[17:04] <beck-and-call> Can someone tell me why I would be getting "(EE) GLX error: Can not get required symbols." with what appears to be a correct i915 setup and a very bare xorg.conf?  Is there a package I should run reconfigure on?
[17:05] <syn12> ATI and linux is like fat women and revealing bathing wear
[17:05] <zmjjmz> can anyone help with this: http://pastebin.com/f5cc86363?
[17:05] <syn12> it works but you don't really want to see it
[17:05] <zer0x> awww.. I liking my ATI support at the moment!
[17:05] <zer0x> Its running my HD4890 1GB with HDMI audio! :D
[17:06] <syn12> It must have improved since the days that I used ati drivers under gentoo
[17:06] <ninjah> syn12: Unless your in to fat women
[17:06] <zer0x> lol :D
[17:06] <syn12> biggest screw around ever
[17:06] <syn12> ninjah, absolutely
[17:06] <syn12> Then agian, gentoo is the biggest screw around ever
[17:07] <syn12> with a ricer userbase and the biggest waste of time install process ever
[17:07] <ninjah> syn12: ATI is still funky under Linux
[17:07] <zer0x> can anyone tell me if there is a difference between 'apt-get install ubuntu-desktop' and 'apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^'?
[17:07] <spirit-sight> any one here able help get video playback on NBC.COM to work?
[17:07] <zer0x> does the task perform anything additional?>
[17:07] <spirit-sight> use 9.10
[17:07] <syn12> ^ isa control character
[17:08] <syn12> is a*
[17:08] <zer0x> I've never had to use the command, apparently the ^ means its a task..
[17:08] <alex_mayorga> bipolar: BSOD=Black Screen Of Death ;)
[17:08] <zer0x> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tasksel
[17:09] <skwashd> hi all
[17:09] <syn12> oh wow
[17:09] <syn12> goes to show how much i know about deb*
[17:09] <skwashd> how do i stop the system bell sounding all the freaking time? driving me crazy
[17:09] <skwashd> only started after yesterdays update
[17:09] <syn12> lol
[17:10] <zer0x> I've never played with tasks at all.. so I'm wondering if it does anything in addition to a normal 'apt-get install ubuntu-desktop'
[17:11] <zer0x> I've got a feeling I'm not going to get an answer today though :D
[17:11] <zer0x> Anyhow, time to get played ET:QW on my HD4890! w00h00!
[17:12] <zer0x> *playing
[17:12] <zer0x> Cheers all, glad you have a desktop now syn12!!! :D
[17:12] <rsk> i got you an answear zer0x
[17:12] <zer0x> oh :D
[17:12] <syn12> yeh cheers
[17:12] <legend2440> skwashd: open system>preferences>sound put check in Mute box next to Alert Sounds. unless it your pc speaker making the sound?
[17:12] <bipolar> zer0x: did you find any documentation on the ^ in the command? I'd like to read it. :)
[17:12] <syn12> He posted documentation earlier
[17:13] <zer0x> nope just this info from help.ubuntu :(
[17:13] <filgy> skwashd: if what legend2440 said does not work, then it is a bug.. someone reported the same problem earlier.. i believe they opened a bug report about it
[17:13] <bipolar> thats... interesting.
[17:13] <zer0x> rsk: you typing a huge essay for me? :D
[17:14] <rsk> no i already pressed enter
[17:14] <legend2440> skwashd: yes filgy is correct. it worked for me but not for someone in here earlier
[17:14] <skwashd> legend2440 / filgy still doing it
[17:14] <syn12> lol now I have some.. person in my pm wondering how to copy a file lol
[17:14] <skwashd> i think it is the speaker
[17:15] <legend2440> skwashd: if its the small built in pc speaker then i dont know
[17:15] <matusso> pls.. help with my graphic card ATi Mobility Radeon HD3650 and Linux Ubuntu karmic... How to install??
[17:15] <skwashd> i always find that from the betas onwards ubuntu releases start to introduce regressions which make it into the final version :(
[17:15] <zer0x> rsk: oh, I can't seem to see it anywhere, you got it in buffer?
[17:15] <rsk> matusso: use the liveCD or the alternative installer.
[17:16] <skwashd> i think this time round i started with alpha3 (or 4) been rock solid until the last week or so
[17:16] <skwashd> legend2440: hard to tell it is a laptop
[17:16] <legend2440> skwashd: you could blaclist the pc speaker module  http://eric.biven.us/2007/07/08/disabling-your-pc-speaker-in-ubuntu/
[17:16] <skwashd> even if i change the sound option it still does it
[17:17] <spirit-sight> anyone able help to get video playback to work from NBC.com using 9.10 beta?
[17:17] <skwashd> just checked ... it is the audio system ... not the seaker
[17:18] <filgy> skwashd: find the bug report that was already submitted and confirm the problem
[17:19] <Omar87> What is virtualbox named in the Karmic repos?
[17:19] <skwashd> filgy: about to :)
[17:19] <filgy> Omar87: virtualbox-ose i think
[17:20] <billybigrigger> Omar87, if you want usb support youll need closed source version
[17:20] <billybigrigger> goto virtualbox's website, add they're repo, and install virtualbox-3.0
[17:20] <Omar87> filgy, no need for that.
[17:21] <spazzpp2> how do I make pulseaudio find my devices again?
[17:21] <filgy> Omar87: no need for what? ubuntu repos should only have the open source edition
[17:21] <Omar87> filgy, I meant I don't need usb support.
[17:22] <Omar87> filgy, plus let's wish the open source it soon. :)
[17:23] <filgy> Omar87: apt-cache search virtualbox
[17:24] <syn12> omg hurry up and fcking update already!
[17:24] <Omar87> filgy, why?
[17:24] <filgy> Omar87: you asked for the package names.. there are a few other then the main virtualbox-ose package
[17:25] <Omar87> filgy, oh ok. I see.
[17:25] <Omar87> filgy, thanks.
[17:25] <sdg1> I have no sound.
[17:25] <syn12> Don't be so descriptive, sdg1
[17:26] <beck-and-call> Should I be explicitly enabling Option          "AccelMethod"                   "uxa" for the Intel driver case?
[17:26] <sdg1> syn12: Sorry.
[17:26] <sdg1> syn12: I just updated ALSA and linux_sound_base
[17:27] <syn12> It seems the latest updates are breaking a lot of things
[17:27] <sdg1> syn12: FFS how am I supposed to watch my HD porn now?
[17:27] <syn12> lol
[17:27] <syn12> HD, nice
[17:27] <filgy> sdg1: run alsamixer and make sure things arn't muted.. i had a problem where the analog/digital output jack was muted
[17:27] <sdg1> filgy: I've done that.
[17:28] <sdg1> filgy: Oh wait, they are muted.
[17:28] <sdg1> filgy: WTF I didn't mute them.
[17:28] <syn12> lol
[17:28] <sdg1> WTF they're all muted.
[17:29] <sdg1> It doesn't make it obvious what's muted either.
[17:29] <filgy> yea... jaunty release had that problem.. maybe the problem is making its way into karmic ;p
[17:30] <sdg1> filgy: I've still got a problem where lots of bass is coming out when I crank up my centre channel.
[17:31] <sdg1> At least LFE is allowing bass to come out now.
[17:31] <syn12> Not so good for porn?
[17:32] <filgy> sdg1: maybe go to system->pref->sound->output tab and turn subwoofer down?
[17:32] <syn12> I thought it would have been.. since there's two voices in the lower register both hitting around that frequency in it
[17:32] <sdg1> syn12: It's annoying because I like to turn down the bass to stop my parents from complaining.
[17:32] <sdg1> filgy: That just makes the sound go super high pitch. I removed PA anyway.
[17:32] <syn12> Ah, parents
[17:32] <sdg1> syn12: Yeah, they're fucking gay.
[17:32] <joaopinto> !language | sdg1
[17:33] <syn12> Lucky they weren't sdg1, or we wouldn't be having this conversation
[17:33] <sdg1> Sorry, I won't say the G word again.
[17:33] <filgy> sdg1: turn bass down in alsamixer?
[17:33] <sdg1> filgy: It comes out of both my centre and LFE channels instead of just my LFE channel.
[17:33] <sdg1> filgy: That's my problem.
[17:35] <filgy> sdg1: hmm not sure
[17:35] <syn12> FML
[17:35] <syn12> Updates suck the caw
[17:36] <gsedej> hi! How to make fsck at the
[17:36] <gsedej> at the boot
[17:36] <sdg1> gsedej: Turn your PC on and off 30 times.
[17:36] <elumbella> so, deleting "splash from the grub menu.lst didn't help
[17:37] <spirit-sight> I don't seem to have flash player plugin showing up in firefox, any help please?
[17:37] <elumbella> but i got new information about errors. the other consoles work now
[17:37] <syn12> spirit-sight, how did you install flash?
[17:37] <elumbella> i get some notice about the ICEauthority file
[17:38] <spirit-sight> I did it through software store and through the company website
[17:38] <gsedej> sdg1: there must be another way :D
[17:38] <bullgard4> "I had heard that Empathy was discussed at UDS, but i didn't realize that, as pointed out on my last post as well as the forum thread, the decision had already been made to include Empathy instead of Pidgin and Ekiga in Ubuntu Karmic 9.10." What does 'UDS' stand for?
[17:39] <elumbella> WARNING: Unable to read ICE authority file: /home/user/.ICEauthority
[17:39] <thiebaude> UDS=Ubuntu Developer Summit
[17:39] <sdg1> gsedej: Get rid of the power to the PC and it will fsck when you next turn it on.
[17:39] <sdg1> gsedej: As long as you don't let it properly shut donw.
[17:39] <sdg1> s/donw/down/
[17:40] <bullgard4> thiebaude: Thank you.
[17:40] <gsedej> how about REISUB?
[17:40] <elumbella> also, i have "Gtk-CRITICL: gtk_main_quit: assertion 'main_loops != NULL' failed
[17:40] <thiebaude> bullgard4, no problem
[17:40] <spirit-sight> syn12: I did it through software store and through the company website
[17:41] <elumbella> and: "WARNING: Application 'gnome-wm.desktop' failed to register before timeout"
[17:41] <elumbella> any ideas?
[17:41] <filgy> gsedej: make an empty file called 'forcefsck' in /
[17:41] <filgy> gsedej: i believe will force a fsck on the next reboot
[17:41] <filgy> gsedej: or passing -F to shutdown will also force a fsck on reboot i think
[17:42] <syn12> spirit-sight, did you use sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[17:42] <syn12> ?
[17:42] <spirit-sight> I did it through the ubuntu software store
[17:42] <spirit-sight> will try that now thougu
[17:44] <gsedej> forcefsck does not work in carmic
[17:45] <jimlovell777> using Empathy how do I confirm a request to add me to a buddy list for a Yahoo account? I get a notification when I first login to Yahoo using Empathy but am given no choice to either allow or deny the request.
[17:45] <elumbella> does anyone know how to connect to my wpa2 encrypted wireless network via commandline?
[17:45] <spirit-sight> syn12: now its telling me I have to install flash which it did not do before
[17:45] <spirit-sight> this is after running sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[17:45] <spirit-sight> then going to the site
[17:45] <filgy> gsedej: what about shutdown -F then?
[17:46] <spirit-sight> syn12: there is a thing called shockware flash as a plug in firefox is this right?
[17:46] <thiebaude> !flash
[17:46] <vonkleist> Hi all. I have some missing icons on the filechooser dialog on OOo, using Kubuntu. Is it a common bug on the beta or could be something missing on my machine?
[17:47] <sdg1> vonkleist: It's likely to be an issue with the transition to a new icon theme.
[17:47] <sdg1> s/a/the/
[17:47] <jbeitler> does anyone know if 2.6.31.13 is the final kernel or if its going to be .12?
[17:48] <vonkleist> sdg1, ok... I suppose it's now worth to create a new bug on launchpad, then
[17:48] <sdg1> vonkleist: Sure.
[17:48] <vonkleist> sdg1, ok... I suppose it's NOT worth to create a new bug on launchpad, then... is it?
[17:49] <sdg1> vonkleist: I don't know.
[17:49] <spirit-sight> thiebaude: I had done this
[17:49] <vonkleist> sdg1, thanks
[17:50] <sdg1> vonkleist: For what?
[17:50] <vonkleist> sdg1, well, for your answer! :)
[17:50] <sdg1> vonkleist: You're welcome.
[17:51] <sdg1> I'm going to go and kill some Stroggs now.
[17:52] <ubox> will i be able to upgrade from beta to full release using the update manager?
[17:52] <thiebaude> spirit-sight, i would start over and delete flash
[17:52] <del_diablo> Where can i find the minimal install for download?
[17:52] <spirit-sight> I just do "sudo apt-get remove --purge flashplugin-nonfree" right?
[17:52] <spirit-sight> or do something else
[17:53] <jbeitler> del_diablo: looks like its not be released yet
[17:53] <uffo> has anyone tested Transmission torrent creating feature, looks like it creates broken .torrent files only
[17:53] <thiebaude> spirit-sight, yes or and delete from synaptic
[17:53] <jbeitler> del_diablo: it will be here when it is > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[17:53] <del_diablo> jbeitler: why not? This version is soon dated, and its stable. Why is it not out?
[17:54] <jbeitler> I don't know. . I am just a user
[17:54] <jbeitler> and its not quite stable
[17:54] <del_diablo> k
[17:54] <jbeitler> there are still a few bugs
[17:54] <del_diablo> How come? Xorg and core desktop enviroments should be stable since the drop happend some time ago
[17:55] <jimpop> what's a good way to watch keyboard events (custom key presses, i.e. Mute, etc) ?
[17:55] <jernst> hello, after today's update, my karmic notebook doesn't boot anymore
[17:55] <jernst> it is stucked after the modem-manager loading
[17:55] <jernst> when doing ctrl+alt+del it is killing modem-manager so I guess modem-manager is stucked somewhere...
[17:56] <gsedej> filgy: if I use reboot -F it does not shut down :S
[17:56] <jbeitler> del_diablo: the same reason a live cd sees my Bluetooth but the install does not? its one of those things
[17:56] <gsedej> btw... If I run nautilus with sudo and I cant copy files from other user, what is the matter?
[17:57] <robin0800> gsedej: you need gksu not sudo
[17:58] <gsedej> usually works sudo...
[17:59] <robin0800> gsedej: Not recomended for graphical programs and will break permissions
[17:59] <gsedej> btw... fsck.ntfs not found error says always ad boot. This is no reason why normal fsck does not work, right?
[18:00] <oldude67> !ntfs-fsck
[18:00] <oldude67> !fsck-ntfs
[18:01] <oldude67> anyway i dont think its working in karmic yet.
[18:01] <filgy> gsedej: 'shutdown -F -r now' will reboot and force a fsck.. remove the -r and it will just halt the system
[18:01] <gsedej> robin0800: even with gksu, I am not allowed
[18:02] <BluesKaj> gsedej, did you try sudo reboot ?
[18:02] <gsedej> gilgy: I got many problems since last freeze (and holding power button to restart)
[18:03] <uffo> has anyone tested Transmission torrent creating feature, looks like it creates broken .torrent files only.
[18:04] <gsedej> filgy: I used "sudo -F now" and then I lost display.... nothing worked (but not freezed)
[18:04] <filgy> gsedej: you mean shutdown -F now? that will halt your machine..
[18:04] <filgy> gsedej: err sudo shutdown -F now
[18:04] <gsedej> yes sudo shutdown -F now
[18:05] <filgy> gsedej: that will halt your machine not reboot it.. after you run that your machine is safe to be powered off or rebooted manually
[18:05] <mewshi> so
[18:05] <mewshi> can someone help me fix an annoying issue with my touchpad?
[18:05] <gsedej> how come I can't copy (read) files from my original username with gksu???
[18:05] <filgy> gsedej: run sudo shutdown -F -r now to have it reboot
[18:06] <gsedej> ok
[18:06] <spirit-sight> thiebaude: ok, I removed from all areas that showed it, then I reinstalled from term and then went to the site and still not working, can you travel to site NBC http://www.nbc.com/Deal_or_No_Deal/video/categories/season-3/33427/ and see if it plays for u?
[18:06] <mewshi> could I get some help with my touchpad?  I want to switch the buttons around
[18:07] <gsedej> filgy: I got something like " Error 2. no ntfs.fsck for dev/sda1"
[18:08] <gsedej> but fsck didn't wokr
[18:08] <filgy> it's an ntfs filesystem? i have no clue then....
[18:09] <oldude67> gsedej, they havent got the fsck for ntfs working yet in karmic as far as i know yet.
[18:10] <filgy> gsedej: make sure ntfsprogs is installed? if that is installed then i would agree with what oldude67 said
[18:11] <filgy> since fsck.ntfs is part of ntfsprogs package
[18:11] <filgy> i think
[18:11] <oldude67> filgy, i seen a bug report on it, but that was about a week ago, it might be fixed now..not sure.
[18:13] <lfaraone> I keep on getting apport warnings about a "serious kernel problem". I suspect it's a kernel OOPS, but I don't see any strange behavior.
[18:14] <lfaraone> Turns out it's "scheduling while atomic: gnome-panel/2561/0x10010000". Does anybody know what that means?
[18:16] <thiebaude> spirit-sight, sorry i was away, flash works for me
[18:18] <jpsman> why did the gods decide to go with empathy over pidgin?
[18:19] <thiebaude> jpsman, i never understood that decision
[18:19] <mewshi> could someone help me with my touchpad issue?
[18:19] <EagleScreen> when I open kcm-touchpad I obtain this error message: Shared memory for synaptics driver is not enabled!
[18:20] <markit> hi, I need to ssh into ubuntu live cd, user is ubuntu, but requires password.. what is the right one?
[18:20] <jpsman> markit- hit enter
[18:20] <jpsman> i think.....
[18:20] <markit> asks pass again
[18:20] <EagleScreen> I think it is blank
[18:20] <EagleScreen> markit: then set a password
[18:21] <markit> EagleScreen: good shot!
[18:21] <mewshi> can anyone help me?
[18:21] <EagleScreen> first become root with 'sudo su' and later use "passwd $user_name $password"
[18:21] <rsk> !ask | mewshi
[18:22] <mewshi> I need help with my touchpad.  I want to switch the buttons (set it to "left-handed")
[18:22] <oldude67> mewshi, did you look under system settings?
[18:22] <mewshi> yes
[18:22] <EagleScreen> mewshi: Gnome?
[18:23] <mewshi> The configuration tool did nothing
[18:23] <oldude67> i have under preferences mouse and keyboard config...did you look there?
[18:23] <mewshi> yes
[18:23] <mewshi> I used the mouse configuration tool and it doesn't do anything >.<
[18:24] <lfaraone> jpsman: Empathy is considered more GNOMEish.
[18:24] <oldude67> have you restarted x since making changes?
[18:25] <jpsman> lfaraone: I see.  I shouldn't see much of a difference with it then huh?  I think i'll still wait until 10.4 for my upgrade to LTS (from 9.04)
[18:25] <lfaraone> jpsman: Simply put, it's a politics thing. And that Empathy arguably has a better architecture (uses platform-neutral D-Bus, Telepathy), even though it might not be as familair in therms of UI.
[18:25] <oldude67> jpsman, i think when 10.4 comes out i might stay with it for a while.
[18:25] <lfaraone> jpsman: It is a very very bad idea to skip releases unless you are going LTS to LTS
[18:26] <lfaraone> jpsman: anyway, you can still use pidgin in karmic, I'm using it right now.
[18:26] <jpsman> eh, i'll learn that the hard way :O)    -   platform-neutral D-Bus?  telepathy?  (i could talk geek all day)
[18:27] <jpsman> oh and is there a way to revert back to the add/remove setup instead of this software center gui
[18:27] <lfaraone> jpsman: No. You'll have to learn synaptic if you dislike the Centre.
[18:28] <jpsman> I love synaptic
[18:28] <lfaraone> jpsman:  you might be interested in reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EmpathyVsPidginUsability by the way
[18:28] <jpsman> k will do
[18:28] <yoga> When I key in Ctrl+Alt+F1, the screen is unreable, and I can to Kubuntu return by Alt+f7 anyone has the same problem?
[18:29] <Zvezdichko> Hey, my GDM is in a mess
[18:29] <kk_> I cannot boot, after grub I get "mount: mounting /dev/disk/by-uuid/[...] on /root failed: Invalid argument". I'm pretty sure there is a problem with raid although the root partition itself is not on a raid-array, but with the recovery cd I have to mdadm --stop first, before I can mount this partition
[18:30] <EagleScreen> yoga: that is usually a graphics card problem
[18:30] <lfaraone> by the way, does somebody care to see if they can reproduce bug 449596 ?
[18:30] <yoga> EagleScreen: How do I config the graphics card in Kubuntu?
[18:31] <jernst> removed modemmanager but it still hangs...
[18:31] <Qtpaxa> lfaraone: how?
[18:31] <EagleScreen> yoga: which graphics card do you use?
[18:32] <lfaraone> Qtpaxa: the application crashes on start. Tell me if it runs for you :P
[18:33] <EagleScreen> yoga: use $ lspci | grep VGA
[18:33] <Qtpaxa> I don't have polkit-gnome-authorization installed xD
[18:33] <tgpraveen1> I am thinking thay maybe delaying this release by a week or so might be necessary. there still seem to be many bugs to resolve
[18:34] <Qtpaxa> lfaraone: what command should I run?
[18:34] <omgmog> Does anybody know how to make the keychain automatically verify when I login? It's annoying that it prompts me for it, so that it can access wifi
[18:34] <yoga> EagleScreen: VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 661/741/760 PCI/AGP or 662/761Gx PCIE VGA Display Adapter
[18:35] <yoga> EagleScreen: It's a onboard integrated VGA.
[18:35] <lfaraone> Qtpaxa: polkit-gnome-authorization
[18:36] <EagleScreen> check if there is any other driver available for your card in Hardware Drivers (jockey)
[18:36] <rsk> yoga: it should already have the right driver
[18:36] <rsk> yoga: what do you want to configure with it?
[18:36] <Qtpaxa> lfaraone: but.. should I install that before?
[18:36] <EagleScreen> it has problems to see tty terminals
[18:36] <EagleScreen> He has *
[18:36] <yoga> rsk: my display on the console is unreable.
[18:37] <lfaraone> Qtpaxa: yes, if it's not installed. It's part of ubuntu-desktop
[18:38] <rsk> yoga: screnshot please
[18:39] <EagleScreen> yoga: cannot provide a screenshot because his problem is visualizing tty terminals
[18:39] <EagleScreen> rsk read my last message
[18:40] <rsk> i have the same problem
[18:40] <rsk> came with a kernel update a week ago i think
[18:40] <rsk> i dont think it's hardware related
[18:40] <EagleScreen> rsk: which graphics card?
[18:40] <rsk> um
[18:40] <rsk> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV36.2 [GeForce FX 5700] (rev a1)
[18:40] <EagleScreen> which driver are you using?
[18:41] <rsk> nvidia
[18:41] <EagleScreen> restricted?
[18:41] <yoga> EagleScreen: Hardware Drivers reports no proprietary drives use on this system.
[18:41] <rsk> specify restricted
[18:41] <kk_>  can anybody tell me, how to prevent the raid-arrays from being assembled at boot-time?
[18:41] <EagleScreen> you may have a problem with usplash or KMS configuration
[18:42] <yoga> rsk: I also update the kernel and then this console problem.
[18:42] <EagleScreen> you should report it in launchpad due to beta state of karmic
[18:42] <rsk> yep
[18:42] <pratik_narain> is there any improvement for the sound on hda intel card on dell laptops
[18:42] <rsk> sure
[18:42] <yoga> EagleScreen: How do I report it in launchpad?
[18:43] <rsk> newer alsa! with loads of hda-fixes
[18:43] <EagleScreen> yoga: use this command: "ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-sis"
[18:43] <pratik_narain> rsk: can I update it in jaunty using newer repos
[18:43] <rsk> no idea
[18:44] <EagleScreen> pratik_narain: my had always workrd well
[18:44] <EagleScreen> but it is in Acer laptop
[18:44] <yoga> EagleScreen: Should I do some kind of search first, to see if it's already reported?
[18:44] <EagleScreen> yoga: it would be nice
[18:44] <jpsman> noob here, what is AppArmor?
[18:44] <rsk> !apparmor
[18:44] <yoga> EagleScreen: How, to search bugs?
[18:45] <EagleScreen> ubuntu-bug should search similar bugs reported for you
[18:45] <pratik_narain> EagleScreen: mine dell sound works but it is much lower than windows vista
[18:46] <EagleScreen> pratik_narain: do you mean volume?
[18:46] <pratik_narain> EagleScreen: and I have all the alsamixer channels boosted up
[18:46] <pratik_narain> EagleScreen: yup
[18:46] <EagleScreen> it is a common issue in many cards
[18:47] <pratik_narain> EagleScreen: I even compiled latest alsa drivers but it didn't affect much
[18:47] <EagleScreen> increase speakers volume?
[18:47] <pratik_narain> EagleScreen: obviously they are laptop builtin speakers
[18:48] <jpsman> is ubuntu gaining more attention from crackers, and how likely is the success of punks to create viruses for ubuntu?
[18:49] <causasui> flash is working! flash is working! praise the ubuntu gods
[18:49] <jpsman> ?
[18:51] <EagleScreen> jpsman: use only software from confiable sources and you won't have problems
[18:52] <Berzerker-> quick question, what setings do I need in /etc/default/grub for it to actually show a timer
[18:53] <Frickelpit> Berzerker-: #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT if you want the menu.
[18:53] <Berzerker-> Frickelpit, I get the menu, but no autoboot-from-Grub-default-0 timer
[18:53] <Berzerker-> you know?
[18:55] <Berzerker-> I want it to boot 0 in X amount of seconds after getting to the menu
[18:55] <Frickelpit> Berzerker-: So you just want a Timer?
[18:55] <acuster> hey all, are there known issues with burning cd's?
[18:55] <Berzerker-> Frickelpit, yeah, to auto-boot the default entry
[18:56] <acuster> The burning app seems to report things like a blank cd with 5.4MB available
[18:56] <Berzerker-> Frickelpit, ah, had it on GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true, should be false if I want that, right?
[18:56] <Frickelpit> Berzerker-: Yes, should be this one
[18:56] <Berzerker-> ok, changed it, rebooting for dist-upgrade, brb.
[18:56] <Frickelpit> Berzerker-: sudo update-grub ;)
[18:56] <Berzerker-> yup
[18:56] <Berzerker-> thanks
[18:57] <Frickelpit> np
[18:57]  * acuster gambles a CD
[18:59] <Berzerker-> Frickelpit, eh...didn't work
[18:59] <Frickelpit> mh
[19:01] <coz_> hey guys  ..couple things... after updating karmic  I cannot boot...after grub menu  there is a blank screen...this has happened with two installs already... second  how to update grub....
[19:01] <coz_> from live cd
[19:02] <JoshuaL> !grub
[19:02] <Frickelpit> Berzerker-: GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=5
[19:02] <Berzerker-> it says "5"
[19:02] <Berzerker-> "5" != 5?
[19:03] <Frickelpit> Berzerker-: Whatever you want in seconds
[19:03] <edwiener> isn't it grub 2?
[19:03] <Berzerker-> Frickelpit, but is the syntax with " or without
[19:03] <Frickelpit> without
[19:04] <mewshi> ok... nothing is working for switching the buttons >.<
[19:04] <Berzerker-> Frickelpit, that might do it
[19:04] <Frickelpit> Berzerker-: just change the 0 to 5 (or else) in the default/grub and it will count without the menu
[19:04] <Berzerker-> Frickelpit, it's already at "5"
[19:05] <Berzerker-> Frickelpit, why is it with " by default then?
[19:05] <Frickelpit> mine says 0
[19:06] <mewshi> can someone help me switch the buttons on my touchpad? :\
[19:07] <Berzerker-> swtich them?
[19:07] <Berzerker-> like make left-click right-click and vice versa?
[19:08] <Berzerker-> Frickelpit, your GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT is at 0?
[19:08] <Frickelpit> jap
[19:08] <Berzerker-> oh ok
[19:09] <Berzerker-> I think I got it brb
[19:09] <ActionParsnip> Berzerker: so is mine. what wil that do?
[19:10] <jbuncher> anyone having trouble in Karmic with network-manager not remembering wpa enterprise passwords?
[19:10] <ActionParsnip> guess we'l never know
[19:10] <edwiener> running great on hp mini 1000, except mic. but I never use it. looks great so far
[19:11] <edwiener> jbuncher- running at college, prompts for ca-certificate all the time
[19:12] <Berzerker-> Frickelpit, that worked, thanks.
[19:13] <jbuncher> edwiener, Well, this is on campus to.  It remembers the identity, security type, ca-certificate, authentication, Inner Authentication, everything but the password, and that box is greyed out, so I can't enter it and hit connect.
[19:13] <Frickelpit> Berzerker-: np
[19:13] <edwiener> then I add, and the passwd username, I'm the first guy to ever get it working here. but I had to load cert. up onto usb drive then onto home folder. it works, but klunky
[19:13] <Guest58317> anyone else having network DNS issues?
[19:14] <Guest58317> or it seems that way, cause it will pause for 10 seconds because going to a webpage
[19:14] <jbuncher> edwiener, is this on karmic?
[19:14] <Guest58317> Yes
[19:14] <Guest58317> whoops, sorry jbuncher, spoke too soon
[19:15] <edwiener> it reverts to 127.0.0.1 constantly. check your connection info for dns address
[19:15] <edwiener> yes
[19:15] <edwiener> fully updated beta
[19:16] <jbuncher> edwiener, ok.  I don't have that issue, it just doesn't remember the password after a reboot.  Once I'm connected it stays for hours.
[19:17] <omgmog> Guest58317: try using opendns servers: 208.67.222.222/208.67.220.220
[19:17] <edwiener> greys out? that's kinda wierd. mine stays on for the day, but next day it's all gone
[19:18] <edwiener> thank god they are updating ours in november to wpa2-psk . too many complaints
[19:18] <Kaj-Laptop> edwiener, which router ?
[19:18] <Ian_Corne> # update-grub
[19:18] <Ian_Corne> Your /usr is broken, please fix it before call this wrapper!
[19:18] <Ian_Corne> wiat, what?
[19:19] <edwiener> don't know, I'm living in hotel , so not sure
[19:19] <indus> hi
[19:19] <indus> my system completely messed after upgrade
[19:19] <ActionParsnip> indus: define messed
[19:20] <indus> i get that white ubuntu logo on boot and then nothing
[19:20] <indus> ActionParsnip: it used to be during reboot, now white logo is there during boot too
[19:20] <ActionParsnip> indus: tried booting to recovery root console then running /etc/init.d/gdm start
[19:20] <jbeitler> I get the same thing after the 2.6.31.13 update indus
[19:21] <indus> it was held back, but iam too smart so i installed it anyway
[19:21] <indus> how do i run updates and also stay in this room?
[19:21] <ActionParsnip> indus: change back to the older kernel
[19:21] <indus> ActionParsnip: wont work either
[19:21] <indus> its an xsplash thing i believe
[19:22] <ActionParsnip> indus: does booting to root console then starting gdm make it nice
[19:22] <indus> ActionParsnip: ok i try, brb
[19:22] <ActionParsnip> or uninstall xsplash
[19:26] <ArkoldThos> on jaunty I used timidity as midi emulator, but on karmic it doesnt appear as an option (tuxguitar)
[19:27] <ActionParsnip> !info timidity
[19:27] <root> hi
[19:27] <ActionParsnip> ArkoldThos: make sure universe repos are enabled
[19:27] <indus> so that didnt work ActionParsnip
[19:28] <ActionParsnip> hi indus
[19:28] <jbeitler> Does anyone know if 2.6.31.13 is gonna be the kernel in the Final release of 9.10 or will it be 2.6.31.12?
[19:28] <ActionParsnip> indus: boot it with the quiet boot option disabled so the stupid splash doesnt get in the way of the good stuff
[19:28] <ArkoldThos> ActionParsnip, yup I got it installed
[19:28] <indus> ActionParsnip: mmm good idea
[19:28] <indus> just add quiet to grub entry?
[19:28] <ActionParsnip> indus: default you video driver to vesa too
[19:29] <indus> ActionParsnip: ok how do i default to vesa?
[19:29] <ActionParsnip> indus: take it away, quiet enables the splash
[19:29] <ActionParsnip> indus: edit xorg.conf
[19:29] <minimec> indus: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8063596&postcount=8
[19:29] <indus> minimec: iam using irssi :) no gdm
[19:30] <ActionParsnip> jbeitler: theres a 2.6.32 flying around. not sure what will be final though
[19:30] <indus> ActionParsnip: so add quiet or remove? remove i guess
[19:30] <elumbella> hi folks. i just fixed one of the errors
[19:30] <minimec> indus: ;)
[19:30] <elumbella> now, i don
[19:30] <jbeitler> ActionParsnip: thatnks
[19:30] <Dr_Willis> i always just use 'noquiet' :) same as removing
[19:30] <joaopinto> jbeitler, probably yes
[19:30] <indus> minimec: nice link though , thanks :D
[19:30] <ActionParsnip> indus: remove quiet
[19:30] <elumbella> now, i don't get any error-messages. but nautilus can't start
[19:30] <joaopinto> ActionParsnip, 2.6.32 will not be in karmic
[19:30] <ActionParsnip> indus: what Dr_Willis suggests is less destructive
[19:30] <elumbella> it crashes and restarts really quick
[19:30] <ActionParsnip> joaopinto: ok, cool
[19:31] <indus> Dr_Willis: lol ya makes sense
[19:31] <elumbella> directly after logon
[19:31] <indus> ok geronimooo here goes nothing
[19:31] <indus> quit
[19:32] <del_diablo> Is there a minimal install CD out yet?
[19:32] <marko-_-> Hello, i'm about to install ubuntu 9.10 after a long time of using foresight distribution, is ext4 safe to use?
[19:32] <elumbella> any ideas how i can fix nautilus?
[19:33] <del_diablo> marko-_-: Yes
[19:33] <del_diablo> marko-_-: Its safe
[19:33] <marko-_-> thanks
[19:33] <coz_> ok not sure what to do ..tried changing things in the boot command in grub with no effect other than taking out quiet for the splash... still ...getting black screen after grub menu
[19:33] <Dr_Willis> You are reruning update-grub after changing the configs?
[19:34] <coz_> Dr_Willis,  well I was just chaning the boot command in grub and ctrl+x to boot with those parameters
[19:35] <ActionParsnip> elumbella: theres ~/.gconf/apps/nautilus which you could rename then restart X, can always rename back if its no good.
[19:35] <jase-> hi and good morning. hi have a question. i setup a single 0+1 raid on 4 drives from bios. i boot to live jaunty. fromhere it wont see the raid. i install via package manager dmraid. do sudo dmraid -ay and then walah it shows up now. i can go into Gparted and edit the partion, setup swap, whatever. but if i try to use the install icon, that partitioner will not see the raid. any ideas?
[19:36] <ActionParsnip> !raid
[19:36] <Ian_Corne> my /usr/sbin/update-grub is gone...
[19:36] <jase-> hm k
[19:36] <void^_> just use software raid
[19:36] <del_diablo> ActionParsnip: help the sod, or at the least link to the archlinux wiki instead
[19:37] <Dr_Willis> coz_:  with grub2  you have to rerun update-grub after altering the /etc/default/grub and /etc/drub.d files.. :) just somthing to watch out for
[19:37] <Ian_Corne> The following packages will be REMOVED: grub startupmanager
[19:37] <Ian_Corne> The following NEW packages will be installed: grub-pc
[19:37] <Ian_Corne> wtf
[19:38] <coz_> Dr_Willis,  well according to the documentation within grub   changing the boot command in grub from the grub menu  starts that revised  boot command and it works however  no matter which parameters I change  I still cannot boot into karmic  and this is after all updates ...a few application installs like   compiling inkscape etc
[19:39] <coz_> also noticed that /etc/init.d/gdm restart is no longer avilable?
[19:39] <elumbella> to whom should the .ICEauthority file in my home-directory belong?
[19:39] <elumbella> +to
[19:40] <del_diablo> How long is there to the minimal install version is out? Anybody knows?
[19:40] <Ian_Corne> coz_: service gdm restart
[19:40] <coz_> Ian_Corne,  ok I will remember that
[19:44] <del_diablo> How long is there to the minimal install version is out? Anybody knows?
[19:45] <joaopinto> elumbella, all files on your home should belong to your user
[19:45] <coz_> also this is a dual boot system...any issues with grub 2 and dual boot?
[19:45] <elumbella> okay, thanks joaopinto
[19:45] <joaopinto> del_diablo, the alternate cd is already available for the beta
[19:45] <joaopinto> coz_, no, nothing tha would prevent your linux from booting
[19:46] <del_diablo> joaopinto: Where? I did not find it with some nifty googeling-.
[19:46] <coz_> joaopinto,   ok I will reboot and try a few more things
[19:47] <elumbella> yeha! works :)
[19:47] <elumbella> thank you all for your help!
[19:47] <del_diablo> joaopinto:  Can you please tell me where its located?
[19:48] <joaopinto> del_diablo, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/beta#Download
[19:49] <elumbella> well, actually, it doesn't really work
[19:49] <elumbella> i can login as root now and i have full functionality
[19:49] <elumbella> but when i start X as another user, it hangs
[19:49] <del_diablo> joaopinto:  But there is no minimal install there? :?
[19:50] <joaopinto> del_diablo, the minimal install feature is provided on the alternate cd
[19:50] <del_diablo> joaopinto:  Not listed there either. Where is it?
[19:50] <gsedej> filgy: Ntfsprogs are installed... It still says that fsck.ntfs are not istalled. Anyway, it ext4 partition to check... Can I do fsck manually while it's mounted
[19:50] <joaopinto> del_diablo, the alternate cd is listed as soon you select a download location
[19:51] <del_diablo> joaopinto: Its 700mb big, that can't in any form be correct?
[19:52] <joaopinto> del_diablo, I said, the minimal option is available, I didn't said it's a minimal cd
[19:52] <joaopinto> there is no official minimal cd afaik
[19:52] <del_diablo> <.< Then please express yourself clearly next time somebody asks.
[19:53] <hakaishi> Hi folks, I have a problem with updates and nvidia drivers. Is there somone I can talk to or may I write about it here?
[19:53] <del_diablo> hakaishi: what is the exact problem?
[19:54] <joaopinto> !anyone | hakaishi
[19:54] <del_diablo> hakaishi: X not starting, computer freezes when attempting to start X, etc?
[19:54] <hakaishi> yes
[19:54] <del_diablo> hakaishi: which one of them?
[19:54] <joaopinto> del_diablo, same applies to your question
[19:54] <hakaishi> ah ^^ the PC won't boot and the display is all black
[19:55] <del_diablo> joaopinto: "Minimal install" is a pretty clear question
[19:55] <del_diablo> hakaishi: How did you configure it? Did you upgrade from 9.04 or?
[19:55] <joaopinto> del_diablo, sure it is, it's an optional available on the alternate cd, install refers to how you install it, not about the media
[19:56] <joaopinto> it defines a minimal set of packages, the base system
[19:56] <hakaishi> I installed it from the dvd, but after some updates nothing works any more.
[19:56] <hakaishi> as well if I install the NVidia drivers
[19:56] <KyleS-home> I'm having problems booting 9.10 amd64
[19:56] <KyleS-home> anyone else having the same or know of a fix?
[19:57] <ibuclaw> KyleS-home, LiveCD or Physical installation?
[19:57] <KyleS-home> CD
[19:57] <hakaishi> Live DVD
[19:57] <KyleS-home> All I get is a blinking cursor
[19:57] <del_diablo> KyleS-home: Ati GPU?
[19:57] <hakaishi> and I get nothing at all
[19:57] <KyleS-home> Nvidia 280gtx
[19:57] <KyleS-home> latest bios update as well
[19:58] <del_diablo> Well, then we know we got a regression on Nvidea i guess :P
[19:58] <ibuclaw> hakaishi, where did you get the DVD from?
[19:58] <ibuclaw> del_diablo, there is a regression in mountall atm
[19:58] <hakaishi> ah... a moment please
[19:58] <KyleS-home> I can boot the 32 bit
[19:58] <hakaishi> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/beta/
[19:58] <KyleS-home> But it takes a very long time to boot
[19:59] <ibuclaw> very long time is generally expected on older hardware.
[19:59] <KyleS-home> dell 630i :\
[19:59] <KyleS-home> It's a new computer
[20:00] <KyleS-home> quad core
[20:00] <KyleS-home> 4gb ddr 800 ram
[20:00] <ibuclaw> =)
[20:00] <del_diablo> KyleS-home: Reading the CD takes ages anyway
[20:00] <KyleS-home> 32 bit loads at least
[20:00] <KyleS-home> but I don't really want to install a 32 bit OS on my computer
[20:00] <hakaishi> I don't think it is the intallationmedia. Everything works fine after the installation, but after installing the updates...
[20:00] <tonyyarusso> Anyone updated their system today?  Still running okay?
[20:01] <tonyyarusso> hakaishi: Can you tell me more about what's happening for you?
[20:01] <ibuclaw> tonyyarusso, I'm still good, but I haven't rebooted in...
[20:01] <ibuclaw> 14 days,  2:13
[20:02] <Kaj-Laptop> tonyyarusso,  seems fine here after updates...desktop seems ok as well
[20:02] <hakaishi> well... If I only install the NVidia driver then, after the reboot my PC starts in textmode and stops there. The display blinks...
[20:02] <tonyyarusso> Kaj-Laptop: after a reboot too?
[20:02] <Kaj-Laptop> yes
[20:03] <tonyyarusso> ok
[20:04] <Kaj-Laptop> tonyyarusso, lemme qualify that , i haven't rebooted the laptop yet but the desktop is ok.
[20:05] <Kaj-Laptop> BRB ...reboot laptop
[20:05] <ibuclaw> hakaishi, could you try rebooting into recovery, go into root shell, then type in:
[20:05] <ibuclaw> ls /var/run/dbus
[20:05] <ibuclaw> kaj++
[20:05]  * ibuclaw reboots too
[20:05] <hakaishi> okay, I'll try that
[20:06] <joaopinto> tonyyarusso, are you sure it's virtuablx specific ?
[20:06] <hakaishi> I'll come back in a view minutes
[20:07] <tonyyarusso> joaopinto: No, but that's all I've confirmed.  If you can find a boot failure after recent updates in another situation let me know.
[20:07] <joaopinto> tonyyarusso, please browse the channel log on the last hours :P
[20:07] <minimec> tonyyarusso: seems like kms is activated by default for ati gpu's in the 2.6.31.13 kernel. options radeon modeset=0 changes nothing. I had some system freezes with kms activated.
[20:07] <hendrixski> Hey, just installed Kubuntu Karmic and instead of a menu bar along the bottom I have black and white vertical lines
[20:07] <hendrixski> sort of like a bar code
[20:08] <joaopinto> I don't have a problem myself, I have seen some other reports about unbootable systems here
[20:08] <tonyyarusso> joaopinto: Starting to.
[20:08] <hendrixski> same thing for the tops of each window
[20:08] <hendrixski> it's totally unusable, and I assume it has to do with the ATI Radeon Mobility Drivers?
[20:08] <joaopinto> is there a #kubuntu+1 ?
[20:09] <hendrixski> hhmm
[20:09] <minimec> hendrixski: seems like kms is activated by default for ati gpu's in the 2.6.31.13 kernel. options radeon modeset=0 changes nothing. I had some system freezes with kms activated.
[20:09] <elumbella> okay. i can start xserver only as root. if i try it as a regular user, it hangs
[20:09] <hendrixski> joaopinto, nope
[20:10] <hendrixski> minimec, so...I should de-activate kms?
[20:10] <joaopinto> elumbella, have you tried to create a new user account to make sureit's not related to the user session, startup apps , config ?
[20:10] <elumbella> joaopinto, i got it right now. i renamed the .gnome2-folder :)
[20:11] <hendrixski> oh yeah, and I can't seem to find /etc/X11/xorg.conf  so I dunno what to tinker with
[20:11] <joaopinto> hendrixski, there is no defauly xorg.conf, if you create one it will work
[20:11] <minimec> hendrixski: You could try that, even if it didn't work for me. I would start an older kernel if you can by pressing left 'shift' at the beginning of the boot.
[20:11] <elumbella> it works perfectly now, but thanks a lot!
[20:12] <hendrixski> minimec, does a fresh install provide older kernels?
[20:12] <minimec> hendrixski: There is no xorg.conf anymore. you can create one by stopping the X-server and doing Xorg --configure in a console.
[20:12] <minimec> hendrixski: That saves a xorg.conf.new in your home directory.
[20:12] <hendrixski> minimec, ah, that's usefull to know   (about no more xorg)
[20:13] <hendrixski> hhmm, maybe I should just stick with regular old GNOME
[20:14] <KyleS-home> word
[20:14] <hendrixski> KDE has never worked out for me :-(
[20:14] <KyleS-home> cause you're probably trying Kubuntu
[20:14] <KyleS-home> If you like using KDE, it's best not to use Kubuntu honestly
[20:14] <hendrixski> KyleS-home, yes, I am
[20:14] <hendrixski> oh?
[20:14] <hakaishi> okay, I'm back^^
[20:14] <Kaj-Laptop> hendrixski, how hasn't KDE worked out ?
[20:15] <KyleS-home> I'm not a fan of KDE anyway myself, but from the people I've talked to, there are much better distros for KDE
[20:15] <hendrixski> Kaj-Laptop, well, Instead of a bar at the bottom, I have black-and-white vertical bars
[20:15] <hendrixski> like a bar-code
[20:15] <hakaishi> ls /var/run/dbus lists just pid, system_bus_socket.
[20:16] <hendrixski> well, I'll just try apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[20:16] <hendrixski> see if that helps
[20:16] <vitorio> Need to downgrade to 9.04 from 9.10
[20:16] <vitorio> is there a way?
[20:16] <rsk> vitorio: nope
[20:16] <KyleS-home> no
[20:16] <Kaj-Laptop> hendrixski, that's plasma not kde, perhaps your kde version is not up to date
[20:16] <vitorio> clean isntall only?
[20:16] <rsk> yes
[20:16] <hendrixski> Kaj Just installed it an hour ago
[20:16] <vitorio> thx
[20:17] <hendrixski> it's the Kubuntu Karmic Beta
[20:17] <hendrixski> one would hope it's not out-of-date packages
[20:17] <Kaj-Laptop> hendrixski, from a live cd or dist-upgrade?
[20:17] <hendrixski> liveCD
[20:17]  * hendrixski running apt-get upgrade
[20:18] <vitorio> is there a Fix for Intel Graphics Driver issue with 9.10?
[20:18] <Kaj-Laptop> hendrixski, have you updated your sources.list since
[20:18] <Strogg_> there is an issue with intel driver ?
[20:18] <Pici> You shouldnt need to touch your sources.list ever during an upgrade (unless you need to enable/disable PPAs)
[20:18] <vitorio> Yes
[20:19] <vitorio> its a known problem
[20:19] <vitorio> is there a known solution?
[20:19] <Strogg_> i have an intel on asus eee, didn't notice
[20:19] <Kaj-Laptop> Pici, some ppl like to enable the canonical partners etc
[20:19] <gsedej> hello! I have problems with fsck. It says dev/sda6 (Linux?!?) contains a file system with errors, check forced.... /dev/sda6: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY
[20:19] <vitorio> I got bugs everywhere
[20:20] <Pici> Kaj-Laptop: I was speicifcally warning about 'going through sources.list, changing jaunty to karmic' Thats what do-release-upgrade or update-manager is for.
[20:20] <hakaishi> ahm... about my problem with the NVidia driver and (after a successfull installation) updates. I'm having a black display after a reboot
[20:20] <hendrixski> well, I'll try rebooting  :-/
[20:20] <Kaj-Laptop> Pici, yeah, that can break apps
[20:21] <vitorio> 9.04 was perfect, now I got bugs all the time :-/
[20:21] <Pici> vitorio: Have you reported any of your bugs?
[20:21] <vitorio> yes
[20:21] <Pici> yay!
[20:21] <Kaj-Laptop> hakaishi, which nvidia card?
[20:21] <hakaishi> GTS 8800
[20:21] <vitorio> well thanks, I'm going back to 9.04
[20:22] <Kaj-Laptop> hakaishi, can you get to a TTY , reboot hit the f1 key after grub
[20:24] <hakaishi> (I guess I'll start my notebook -.-) okay, I'll come again in a view minutes
[20:26] <CShadowRun> just downloaded the ubuntu karmic beta, tried to boot from it, got dumped into a busybox terminal
[20:26] <CShadowRun> i also got a kernel panic when i typed exit o.O
[20:26] <elumbellb> firefox does not start in karmic now. any ideas?
[20:26] <IndyGunFreak> question:  I have dual screens using the nvidia restricted driver, when I try to save my dual screen setup to X, via nvidia-settings, I get this error...  Failed to parse existing X config file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[20:28] <minimec> IndyGunFreak: There is no xorg.conf anymore. you can create one by stopping the X-server and doing Xorg --configure in a console.
[20:28] <Kaj-Laptop> elumbellb, alt+f2 firefox
[20:28] <minimec> IndyGunFreak: That saves a xorg.conf.new in your home directory.
[20:28] <elumbellb> Kaj-Laptop: doesn't work...
[20:28] <ActionParsnip> why does route -n | grep default give no output, when route | grep default does??
[20:29] <IndyGunFreak> minimec, ok, so.. how do i set my machine up to be dual screens upon boot..
[20:29] <IndyGunFreak> instead of having to run nvidia-settings everytime i get started.
[20:29] <Kaj-Laptop> elumbellb, try reinstalling
[20:29] <elumbellb> also, tab-nick-completion in xchat doesn't work anymore
[20:29] <elumbellb> Kaj-Laptop: already did
[20:29] <IndyGunFreak> elumbellb, sure it does
[20:29] <gsedej> Hi! When it opens desktop it starts openin nautilus in windows tray (no actual window is open) an CPU is fully loaded. In output it says: Nautilus[...] segfault at b7... ip 00e... sp ... error 6 in libgvfsdbus.so[...]
[20:29] <elumbellb> but without --purge
[20:30] <void^_> ActionParsnip: because there's no "default" in the output of route -n
[20:30] <Pici> ActionParsnip: Because you told it to replace names with numbers.
[20:30] <minimec> IndyGunFreak: 1. create a xorg.conf, 2. copy that one to /etc/X11 3. Configure the card with the nvidia settings tool
[20:30] <gsedej> there is problem in libgvfsdbus.so, right?
[20:30] <ActionParsnip> void^_: there is, its your dfault gateway address
[20:30] <IndyGunFreak> minimec, oh oh, gotcha..
[20:30] <IndyGunFreak> guess i misunderstood.
[20:30] <minimec> IndyGunFreak: ;)
[20:30] <elumbellb> IndyGunFreak: no, the focus goes to the nicklist when i press tab
[20:30] <void^_> ActionParsnip: what Pici said
[20:30] <IndyGunFreak> elumbellb, works fine for me.
[20:30] <IndyGunFreak> minimec, now, stupid question, how do i stop x?
[20:31] <elumbellb> nice for you ;)
[20:31] <ActionParsnip> Pici: damn, how do you cancel the name resolution in route please
[20:31] <Kaj-Laptop> elumbellb, did you try sudo irefox in the terminal
[20:31] <Kaj-Laptop> firefox
[20:31] <ActionParsnip> just making a cute command: route | grep default | grep -Eo '[0-9\.]+' | head -n 1
[20:31] <IndyGunFreak> how do i stop the x-server?
[20:32] <ActionParsnip> shows your default gateway address
[20:32] <elumbellb> Kaj-Laptop: works with sudo
[20:32] <minimec> IndyGunFreak: <ctrl><alt>F1 switches you to an console. There you can login and type 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop, then create the xorg.conf, then 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start'
[20:32] <minimec> IndyGunFreak: <alt>F7 switches you back to X if you need that...
[20:33] <elumbellb> no ideas about the tab-completion in xchat?
[20:33] <IndyGunFreak> ok.
[20:33] <void^_> ActionParsnip: you did, with -n. just grep for ^0.0.0.0
[20:33] <IndyGunFreak> is xorg --configure  the command i need to run to create a new xorg?
[20:33] <IndyGunFreak> i thougth it was a longer line than that
[20:34] <minimec> IndyGunFreak: sudo Xorg -- configure or sudo Xorg -configure One of these two.
[20:34] <IndyGunFreak> ok.
[20:34] <minimec> IndyGunFreak: Xorg(!)
[20:34] <ActionParsnip> void^_: i just want the IP on its own, not the whole line
[20:35] <freinhard> recent (yesterday?) 2.6.31-13 update broke my system, looks like the systemmap got currupted, coudn't find /'s UUID
[20:35] <tormod> ActionParsnip, you want your default gateway?
[20:35] <Pici> ActionParsnip: route -n | awk '{if ($1 == "0.0.0.0") print $2}'
[20:36] <Kaj-Laptop> IndyGunFreak, sudo dpkg -reconfigure xserver-xorg
[20:36] <ibuclaw> well ... gnome-shell is broken =)
[20:36] <ActionParsnip> tormod: just making some tools for fun
[20:36] <ibuclaw> that is all I have after a reboot
[20:36] <ibuclaw> tonyyarusso, ^^
[20:36] <tormod> ActionParsnip, if your answer is yes: netstat -nr | awk '/^0.0.0.0/{ print $2 }'
[20:37] <ActionParsnip> thanks guys, works a treat
[20:37] <eross> if I was to install a fresh beta, would i need to reinstall the release as fresh?
[20:37] <eross> when it becomes release..
[20:38] <tormod> eross, no
[20:38] <ActionParsnip> eross: you will be using the same repos so will upgrade seamlessly into the rc
[20:38] <eross> cool
[20:38] <freinhard> got a ext3 partition with errors, cli states "check forced" on boot. (k)ubuntu<=jaunty showed some progressbar on vt1 but that's gone in karmic?
[20:39] <Kaj-Laptop> eross,  if you use the manual partitoning option on your /  partition.  That's how I rescued my install from disaster. You may need to reinstall some apps  but their config files will have remained intact so your settings will be retained.'
[20:39] <Kaj-Laptop> eross, using the live cd
[20:40] <DanaG> This packagee provides a channel driver that allows using some bluetooh devices some as FXOs and some as FXS.
[20:40] <DanaG> A better description is to be written.
[20:40] <eross> ok
[20:40] <DanaG> nice description.
[20:40] <CShadowRun> does the current daily work?
[20:40] <DanaG> !info asterisk-mobile
[20:40] <Kaj-Laptop> CShadowRun, so far so good , but that depends on your HW etc
[20:41] <CShadowRun> cool
[20:41] <hakaishi> Kaj-Laptop: , F1 after grub won't do
[20:41] <CShadowRun> i just downloaded the beta but it wouldn't start so
[20:41] <CShadowRun> trying the daily :)
[20:43] <FFForever> Why are im notifications an inch away from my top task bar
[20:44] <tgpraveen1> FFForever: so that volume/brightness control
[20:44] <tgpraveen1> notifications take that inch space
[20:44] <tgpraveen1> try it
[20:44] <topyli> hrm. when i get an IM message and bring it up from the indicator applet's dropdown menu, the empathy chat window pops up just as advertised. however, it does not grab focus
[20:44] <FFForever> tgpraveen1, i see but if the volume/brightness controls are not visible are the present time move the im notifications up
[20:45] <tgpraveen1> FFForever: consistency my friend
[20:45] <tgpraveen1> ;-)
[20:45] <FFForever> i use pidgin empathy crashed a few times and pissed me off
[20:45] <topyli> so if i try and close the window with a keyboard shortcut, i inadvertantly close the window *behind* it. anyone else notice this?
[20:45] <topyli> might be a compiz bug as well
[20:45] <tgpraveen1> FFForever: did apport tell to send crash report
[20:45] <tgpraveen1> ?
[20:45] <Kaj-Laptop> hakaishi, you left too quickly ,if you were able to get a TTY prompt then; sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-185
[20:45] <FFForever> tgpraveen1, well can i override the default settings and just make it always go as high up as possible
[20:46] <FFForever> Kaj-Laptop, yeah but i don't send reports....
[20:46] <FFForever> i didn't see a way to see what was in the report... so i told it not to send
[20:46] <topyli> FFForever, no, it's designed that way. file a wishlist but if you don't like it. in fact i'm sure there already is one, you can just mark it as affecting you too :)
[20:47] <eross> what's up with this quickly, I went through the wiki and it's some sort of RAD for ubuntu?
[20:47] <Kaj-Laptop> FFForever, ???
[20:48] <daniftodi> hello
[20:48] <hakaishi> Kaj-Laptop: well, it is already installed...
[20:49] <daniftodi> i have ubuntu 9.10 and grub 1.93 beta3, windows xp don't booting,how make windows boot ?
[20:49] <JackD> The following packages have been kept back:
[20:49] <JackD> why are packages held back ?
[20:49] <sebsebseb> hi
[20:49] <JoshuaL> JackD, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:49] <daniftodi> please help me
[20:50] <JackD> ok
[20:50] <sebsebseb> daniftodi: With what? I just joined here
[20:50] <ActionParsnip> JackD: they are kept back because they ar emade but the deps are not satisfiable yet
[20:50] <daniftodi> i have ubuntu 9.10 and grub 1.93 beta3, windows xp don't booting,how make windows boot ?
[20:50] <ActionParsnip> JackD: when the deps are all made and ready they will all come down
[20:50] <JackD> oke thanks :)
[20:51] <Kaj-Laptop> hakaishi, so what's happening now ?
[20:52] <daniftodi> sebsebseb can you help me?
[20:52] <marko-_-> hello the new EQ or how should i call it (the sound thingy in the right corner) doesn't have the EQ that 9.04 had, i have to do it manualy in the terminal with "alsamixer"
[20:52] <marko-_-> i want to get the gui, how?
[20:52] <gsedej> Kaj-Laptop:  I am having troubles with fscks :D
[20:52] <gsedej> marko-_-:  ooj, lej ga :P
[20:52] <sebsebseb> daniftodi: maybe, but  it's not called menu.lst anymore  config something or whatever instead
[20:53] <marko-_-> gsedej, :)
[20:53] <marko-_-> does anyone know?
[20:53] <RainCT> Hi
[20:53] <RainCT> How can I change the microphone input in Karmic?
[20:53] <daniftodi_> /boot/grub/grub.cfg  = menu.lst from grub 1
[20:53] <hakaishi> the PC boots in textmode and escapes telling me to login, but the display keeps blinking and the keyboard is delayed... I can't enter my password...
[20:54] <daniftodi_> ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ###
[20:54] <daniftodi_> menuentry "Microsoft Windows XP Professional (on /dev/sda1)" {
[20:54] <daniftodi_> 	insmod ntfs
[20:54] <daniftodi_> 	set root=(hd0,1)
[20:54] <daniftodi_> 	search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 8280911e809119ad
[20:54] <daniftodi_> 	drivemap -s (hd0) ${root}
[20:54] <daniftodi_> 	chainloader +1
[20:54] <daniftodi_> }
[20:54] <daniftodi_> ### END /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ###
[20:54] <ActionParsnip> daniftodi_: use pastebin
[20:54] <RainCT> As in when the wrong one is selected so the microphone doesn't work.. Previously this could be done by right-click -> Preferences in the volume control applet but the new PulseAudio one does't have any options
[20:54] <gnubie> daniftodi_;  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2 you might find an answer here.
[20:54] <Kaj-Laptop> !flood | daniftodi_
[20:55] <tgpraveen1> RainCT: isn't it supposed to be in volume-control
[20:55] <tgpraveen1> there is a tab or something for input devices
[20:55] <RainCT> tgpraveen1: not in Karmic
[20:55] <Kaj-Laptop> hakaishi, do you have a live cd
[20:55] <tgpraveen1> if not just install pavucontrol
[20:56] <hakaishi> a usb-stick with the LiveDVD on it
[20:56] <RainCT> OK. Now that's a problem though, given that most laptops I've seen have the wrong input configured by default :/
[20:57] <RainCT> uhm can't find any option in pavucontrol either
[20:57] <FFForever> what is the name of the extra theme package?
[20:57] <sebsebseb> If  a 9.04 Ext4 install gets updated to Karmic,  get the latest Grub and all that?
[20:57] <daniftodi_> i have a problem witch notification windows, it appear centre of desktop
[20:58] <elumbella> firefox does not start again
[20:58] <elumbella> even with sudo
[20:59] <IndyGunFreak> well that didn't work
[21:00] <Kaj-Laptop> IndyGunFreak, what didn't work ?
[21:00] <elumbella> well, firefox works with sudo out of a console. but this is the only way
[21:00] <IndyGunFreak> trying to get dual screens to load on boot up.
[21:01] <Kaj-Laptop> !dual
[21:01] <Kaj-Laptop> !dualheads
[21:01] <minimec> IndyGunFreak: what exactly didn't work?
[21:01] <Kaj-Laptop> !screens
[21:01] <IndyGunFreak> minimec, well, for 1, there is a xorg.conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:02] <IndyGunFreak> i may have to try and figure out how to edit it manually
[21:02] <ActionParsnip> elumbella: can you pastebin the output of: ls -la ~/.mozilla
[21:02] <IndyGunFreak> when id di what you said, it just took me to a blck screen, and that was it.
[21:02] <joaopinto> RainCT, I am able to select the input device (micro) from the regular mixer applet
[21:02] <IndyGunFreak> fortunately i didn't delete the old one, and i just had to restore it.
[21:02] <IndyGunFreak> but i had to do that from a live CD, because not even recovery would boot.
[21:02] <ActionParsnip> elumbella: you can even run: sudo apt-get install pastebinit; ls -la ~/.mozilla | pastebinit
[21:02] <minimec> IndyGunFreak: So the restricted driver created one. On my system there was no xorg.conf.
[21:03] <IndyGunFreak> minimec, that must be the case.
[21:03] <ActionParsnip> elumbella: the last output will be a url, paste that here
[21:03] <guitar-maniac> ye im here :D
[21:03] <tgpraveen1> RainCT: is this not present in karmic?
[21:03] <tgpraveen1> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Screenshot-Sound_Preferences-1.png
[21:03] <elumbella> ActionParsnip: no url in there
[21:04] <minimec> IndyGunFreak: I can give you a dual screen setup for a geforce 7600 with xinaerama activated. I am using it right now, but it jaunty.
[21:04] <elumbella> but wait, it wasn't owned by me
[21:04] <gsedej> hello! dmesg gives: [ 2266.672669] nautilus[14472]: segfault at b7614fec ip 00c69740 sp b7614ff0 error 6 in libgvfsdbus.so[c4d000+24000]
[21:04] <gsedej>  What shall I do?
[21:05] <IndyGunFreak> minimec, hmm,
[21:05] <ActionParsnip> elumbella: ok then run: ls -la ~/.mozilla/ > ~/fire.txt; pastebinit ~/fire.txt; rm ~/fire.txt
[21:05] <IndyGunFreak> minimec, yeah, let me see t if you dn't mind.
[21:05] <RainCT> tgpraveen1: yes
[21:05] <tgpraveen1> then change you are mic selection  from there
[21:05] <minimec> IndyGunFreak: Oh. sorry. TwinVIew activated ;)
[21:05] <RainCT> but there is only one device "Audio intern Analog Stereo"
[21:06] <IndyGunFreak> minimec, thats what confued me..lol, thats fine, i use twinview, no big deal
[21:06] <tgpraveen1> btw anybody experience this to be working "Maeby is playing loud music on her headphones at night. When she tries to grab a banana, the headphone jack gets unplugged. The music automatically pauses so as to avoid making a lot of noise through the normal speakers. (Note that a similar problem could happen with USB headphones, or a Bluetooth headset running out of battery). "
[21:06] <IndyGunFreak> minimec, if you don't mind sharing it.. i'd appreciate it.
[21:06] <ActionParsnip> tgpraveen1: what if you removed them on purpose?
[21:06] <RainCT> ActionParsnip: you click on play
[21:06] <ActionParsnip> RainCT: nice
[21:06] <minimec> imachine: No problem. nvidia-settings tool created it...
[21:07] <minimec> IndyGunFreak: http://paste.ubuntu.com/291849/
[21:07] <tgpraveen1> ActionParsnip: exactly that is what my fear is too. so am asking if this is actually how it's working
[21:07] <ActionParsnip> elumbella: you copy and paste to terminal, thats why i'm giving th entire command
[21:07] <IndyGunFreak> minimec, damn, whyis all that stuff in ther?
[21:07] <tgpraveen1> actually I have a ipod and it has this behaviour and it irritates me sometimes and sometimes it's good
[21:07] <kulight> any 1 know what's going on today with those invitations "pozican wants to send you irc.hackerthreads.org#hackerthreads"
[21:07] <harisund> Can I try wubi with 9.10?
[21:08] <IndyGunFreak> i know what i'm gonna do.. thanks all.
[21:08] <ActionParsnip> tgpraveen1: not sure, i dont use headphones, i use my creative speakers
[21:08] <minimec> well... lot's of keyboard, mouse, devices .... ;)
[21:08] <tgpraveen1> the basic idea is if song is PLAYInG then you wouldn't remove it on purpose but there are usecases I guess
[21:08] <elumbella> ActionParsnip: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/291850/
[21:09] <Kaj-Laptop> harisund, wubi won't have karmic available , but install jaunty and dist-upgrade with upgrade manager from there.
[21:09] <ActionParsnip> elumbella: can you see the issue?
[21:09] <elumbella> Action-Parsnip: no
[21:09] <ActionParsnip> elumbella: you have screwed your ownerships of the firefox folder so it is only readable as roout
[21:09] <elumbella> ah right
[21:10] <ActionParsnip> elumbella: drwx------  3 root   root 4096 2009-10-07 12:29 firefox  isnt good
[21:10] <elumbella> yeah, saw that.
[21:10] <ActionParsnip> elumbella: been running gui apps with sudo, like nautilus? sudo nautilus look familiar?
[21:10] <Kaj-Laptop> ActionParsnip, will , rc.d-update work ?
[21:10] <ActionParsnip> Kaj-Laptop: what for?
[21:10] <elumbella> ActionParsnip yes
[21:11] <Kaj-Laptop> runlevels
[21:11] <elumbella> but works now, thanks
[21:11] <wamty> having trouble with vnc-viewing my ubuntu desktop, when I single click it almost always translates it into a double click, makes it impossible for me to do anything, any ideas?
[21:11] <ActionParsnip> elumbella: ok this is exacly what you NEVER do. gksudo is for running gui apps with admin rights
[21:11] <ActionParsnip> elumbella: sudo is ONLY for cli commands like mv, cp, apt-get etc
[21:11] <harisund> Kaj-Laptop, good idea I can do that thanks !
[21:11] <hakaishi> Kaj-Laptop: So what shall I do about that blinking display-problem?
[21:11] <ActionParsnip> elumbella: gksudo nautilus is correct, sudo nautilus will screw ownerships like you have now
[21:12] <Kaj-Laptop> hakaishi, do you have a live cd ?
[21:12] <hakaishi> a live usb-stick
[21:12] <Kaj-Laptop> hak
[21:12] <elumbella> ActionParsnip: i just changed the ownership of all the folders in my home-directory to me, but accidentally, they must have been changes
[21:12] <ActionParsnip> elumbella: now to fix this mess: cd /home; sudo chown -R robert:robert ./robert
[21:12] <elumbella> *changed
[21:12] <elumbella> ActionParsnip: did it already, thanks
[21:13] <ActionParsnip> elumbella: well then your mozilla profile would be owned by the user robert
[21:13] <ActionParsnip> elumbella: and not root
[21:13] <ActionParsnip> elumbella: copy and pste my command and it will set your ight
[21:13] <hakaishi> Kaj-Laptop:  a live usb-stick
[21:13] <ActionParsnip> s/ight/right
[21:13] <wamty> having trouble with vnc-viewing my ubuntu desktop, when I single click it almost always translates it into a double click, makes it impossible for me to do anything, any ideas?
[21:14] <Kaj-Laptop> hakaishi, ok,  a clean install of the live cd is prolly in order and you can save your data  if you use the manual partitoning option on your /  partition.  That's how I rescued my install from disaster. You may need to reinstall some apps  but their config files will have remained intact so your settings will be retained.'
[21:14] <ransom> I having trouble booting Karmic beta from a USB drive.  I've used usb-imagewriter and unetbootin and get the same error: when it comes time for GDM to load all i get is a blank screen and a mouse cursor.
[21:15] <ActionParsnip> elumbella: all better now?
[21:16] <hakaishi> Kaj-Laptop:  ah... even if I reinstall everything, without the nvidia driver I can't watch any flashplayer livestreams... (I already saved all my data)
[21:16] <harisund> Does this Empathy thing have a pidgin-facebookchat equivalent plugin?
[21:16] <ActionParsnip> wamty: what activities do you do one you VNC?
[21:16] <ActionParsnip> once
[21:18] <hakaishi> Kaj-Laptop: If I install the lates updates I get a black display. If I install only the nvidia driver I get a blinking display... With Jaunty everything was just fine...
[21:18] <Kaj-Laptop> !medibuntu | hakaishi
[21:19] <ActionParsnip> hakaishi: boot to root recovery console, switch your driver to vesa in xorg.conf and reboot
[21:19] <hakaishi> what has that to do with medibuntu? - I didn't install anything from there
[21:19] <yoritomo> hello everybody, i think it has a bug on karmic
[21:19] <Kaj-Laptop> hakaishi,  you mentioned flash streams
[21:20] <hakaishi> kk -.-
[21:20] <yoritomo> no have /dev/snd/midic0d0
[21:20] <yoritomo> then can't connect my usb music keyboard to lmms
[21:20] <yoritomo> anyone knows about it ?
[21:21] <ActionParsnip> yoritomo: have the device connected and run: lsusb   one line will identify the device, you can now websearch for the 8 character ID string
[21:21] <minimec> yoritomo: Did you install any midi software like timidity or so?
[21:21] <hakaishi> Kaj-Laptop: yes, but I don't need to install anything to watch them (with exeption of nvidia drivers and flashplayer for firefox)
[21:21] <wamty> having trouble with vnc-viewing my ubuntu desktop, when I single click it almost always translates it into a double click, makes it impossible for me to do anything, any ideas?
[21:21] <yoritomo> that should be the midi device of my sndcard
[21:22] <ActionParsnip> wamty: what activities do you do on your desktop when you are connected via VNC?
[21:22] <phnom> I've just updated to Karmic beta from Jaunty, but it seems I'm missing some system icons in the menu, any solutions?
[21:22] <yoritomo> minimec no yet installed timidity, should i ?
[21:23] <ransom> I having trouble booting Karmic beta from a USB drive.  I've used usb-imagewriter and unetbootin and get the same error: when it comes time for GDM to load all i get is a blank screen and a mouse cursor.
[21:23] <Kaj-Laptop> hakaishi, in the terminal if possible, lspci | grep VGA
[21:23] <hakaishi> Kaj-Laptop: what shall I do? " [CTCP] Received Version request from Kaj-Laptop."
[21:23] <ActionParsnip> ransom: did you MD5 test the ISO you transferred to the USB?
[21:24] <TDJACR> How do you change the GDM theme?
[21:24] <minimec> !midi| yoritomo
[21:24] <ActionParsnip> !gdm
[21:24] <TDJACR> It seems to have hcanged
[21:24] <TDJACR> changed*
[21:24] <wamty> ActionParsnip: atm what's open is, term, vnc viewer (yes vncing through a vnc... weird I know) , firefox, another term, putty, a couple of thurans
[21:25] <yoritomo> ActionParsnip the webside said the driver of soundcard should install that dev
[21:25] <TDJACR>  Did anyione get the MacBook Pro 5,3 driver working yet (sound)
[21:25] <ActionParsnip> wamty: VNC is not secured you know, so wan vnc is particularly foolish. You can do ALL that via X forwarding
[21:25] <hakaishi> Kaj-Laptop: 05:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVidia Corporation G80 [GeForce 8800 GTS] (rev a2)
[21:25] <yoritomo> now i plug my keyboard and i see midic1d0 but lmms is not well documented about it
[21:25] <wamty>  any chance me having a vnc viewer inside the vnc-ed machine being a culprit?
[21:25] <yoritomo> how to use this entry on lmms ?
[21:26] <wamty> its connecting to a machine in it's lan that is specifically set to not go live on the outside world
[21:26] <ActionParsnip> wamty: makes sense, many liks complicates stuff
[21:26] <joaopinto> ActionParsnip, X is far more slow than VNC, and you can use VNC safely via SSH tunneling
[21:27] <wamty> joaopinto: so what do you suggest please?
[21:27] <cc77> Hi, I need internet content filtering, what are the best tools?
[21:27] <wamty> joaopinto: it seems like it interprets the mouseclick up event asa mouseclick down
[21:28] <ActionParsnip> wamty: the other system may be at fault or a combination, is there no way to vnc directly?
[21:28] <virtuald> why is my sound always muted when i log in?
[21:28] <Kaj-Laptop> hakaishi, have you updated in the terminal /tty since you got this problem
[21:28] <ActionParsnip> virtuald: mine does that
[21:28] <cc77> I personally like opendns like stil, where I can just click op topics allowed or not allowed. But I need to to filter on different workgroups. Opendns only allows filtering on external ip.
[21:29]  * cc77 correction: I personally like opendns like style, where I can just click op topics allowed or not allowed. But I need to to filter on different workgroups on same ext ip. Opendns only allows filtering on external ip.
[21:29] <virtuald> o.o
[21:30] <hakaishi> Kaj-Laptop: right now I didn't update anything ... Besides: after changing driver "nvidia" to "vesa" there is this problem: error: invalid enviroment block
[21:30] <ActionParsnip> virtuald: i'm gonna try this: http://www.henriska.com/blog/?p=524
[21:30] <wamty> joaopinto ?
[21:31] <joaopinto> walmis, no idea, never had such a problem with vnc
[21:31] <wamty> any link or so?
[21:32] <hakaishi> Kaj-Laptop: I can't boot anymore
[21:32] <minimec> ActionParsnip: virtuald: I will try that too ;)
[21:33] <virtuald> ok loadinghmm
[21:33] <virtuald> hmm
[21:33] <ActionParsnip> virtuald: minimec: no such line
[21:34] <minimec> ActionParsnip: virtuald: looks like replacing '1' with '0' should do too.
[21:34] <virtuald> i don't get why or what thery're trying to mute and zero
[21:34] <virtuald> looks like everything to me
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/352732
[21:36] <elumbella> another question: my sound doesn't work. it worked before the update to karmic. now, i have no sound, whatever i do and no applet in the panel
[21:36] <Kaj-Laptop> hakaishi, I think you should try a new install using the method I described earlier
[21:37] <hakaishi> Kaj-Laptop:  okay, what shall I do after the new installation?
[21:38] <Kaj-Laptop> hakaishi, make sure you get the latest daily from ubuntu
[21:39] <minimec> ActionParsnip: virtuald: I have that line. I will set it to '0'. You get the results, the next time I login...
[21:39] <Kaj-Laptop> the nvidia kernel module driver is fixed on the latest versions
[21:39] <virtuald> ok
[21:40] <evilaim> Ok, anyway I can down grade my Grub
[21:40] <evilaim> this new grub is crippling my system
[21:40] <joaopinto> evilaim, define "crippling"
[21:40] <Kaj-Laptop> !grub
[21:40] <evilaim> Well, it's not updating and I now I have 3 kernels for some reason
[21:40] <Kaj-Laptop> !grub2
[21:40] <evilaim> and I've told it to autoboot, it won't
[21:40] <hakaishi> Kaj-Laptop: I couldn't even start the latest liveCD the window was black as well...
[21:41] <joaopinto> evilaim, if it lists 3 kernerls, you have those installed, I have them also
[21:41] <hakaishi> Kaj-Laptop: ah... not window, display
[21:42] <Kaj-Laptop> hakaishi, check your graphics card , that shouldn't be happening
[21:42] <evilaim> Well, I don't want .11, .12 and .13
[21:42] <evilaim> I just want .13
[21:42] <evilaim> haha
[21:42] <evilaim> and I don't want to have to pick which kernel I'm using
[21:42] <evilaim> speedy boot up please!
[21:43] <evilaim> ugh, *goes and reads up on configuring grub*
[21:43] <evilaim> I knew I shoulda gone with lilo
[21:44] <elumbella> when i start xchat it says something about the keyboard-shurtcuts could not be loaded
[21:44] <elumbella> what is that?
[21:44] <Kaj-Laptop> evilaim, you can find the linux images in your pakage manager, remove them there , it's the safest way
[21:44] <evilaim> ya?
[21:44] <Kaj-Laptop> yesa
[21:44] <hakaishi> Kaj-Laptop: but I can use the older version from 01.10.09, everything works there (until I make updates after the installation)
[21:44] <evilaim> can someone please confirm what kaj said (no offense kaj, but 2 is better then 1;))
[21:45] <ActionParsnip> virtuald: got it :D
[21:45] <evilaim> kaj, I can't seem to see them in the package manager
[21:46] <Kaj-Laptop> hakaishi, do whatever you think you need to do ... it's your decision
[21:46] <virtuald> actionparsnip: you found a fix?
[21:46] <Kaj-Laptop> evilaim, linux image
[21:46] <ActionParsnip> virtuald: aye
[21:47] <evilaim> Not there
[21:47] <virtuald> care to share?
[21:47] <virtuald> :)
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> virtuald: gksudo gedit /etc/init.d/alsa-utils
[21:47] <oly> hi, can anyone tell me if mdadm is on the livecd ? or do you still need the alternative cd to setup raid ?
[21:47] <virtuald> already have that loaded
[21:47] <Kaj-Laptop> evilaim, got synaptic?
[21:47] <hakaishi> Kaj-Laptop: I cant get the latest version to start the desktop, so what can I do?
[21:47] <harisund> Ok how do I find out if this is a known bug? I am trying to do gconftool -s /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop --type bool "false" and a million File Manager nautilus windows open up .. and keep opening up. Any ideas?
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> virtuald: line 378
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> virtuald: mute_and_zero_levels "$TARGET_CARD" || EXITSTATUS=1
[21:48] <evilaim> ?
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> virtuald: comment it out with a # at the start of the line
[21:48] <evilaim> yea
[21:48] <TDJACR> Any fixes for sound, backlight, camera on MacBook Pro 5,3
[21:48] <virtuald> that's line 379 for me
[21:48] <Kaj-Laptop> !synaptic | evilaim
[21:48] <evilaim> let me look:)
[21:48] <evilaim> I know I have it;)
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> virtuald: fine, edit it out, save file reboot, rejoice
[21:49] <virtuald>  will try
[21:49] <TDJACR> !mbp
[21:49] <TDJACR> !MBP
[21:49] <mewshi> Hey
[21:50] <mewshi> I'm having some... trouble... with the new netbook interface
[21:50] <harisund> Does anyone have any familiarity with Grub-2 used in karmic? I want to remove the splash screen and have an old-school Linux login process where I see every service being started etc etc with scrolling text. I used to remove splash and quiet in /boot/grub/menu.lst but that file no longer exists
[21:50] <mewshi> can anyone help me fix the netbook interface glitch I'm having?
[21:51] <ubox> mewshi, what is the problem?
[21:51] <evilaim> kaj, so, I can remove anything that has "2.6.31.12.*" and "2.6.31.11.*"?
[21:51] <mewshi> Here, I'll put the photo up for you.  Where do you prefer I post it?
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> harisund: gksudo gedit /etc/default/grub
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> harisund: change splash to nosplash
[21:52] <ActionParsnip> harisund: save the file, close gedit, then run: sudo update-grub
[21:52] <harisund> ActionParsnip, cool thanks man
[21:52] <Kaj-Laptop> evilaim, i would leave 12 , dumpmthe rest except for the rt patches that may be listed as well
[21:53] <harisund> ActionParsnip, man I hate complete rewrites .. either that or I am just resistant to change. has anybody tried using gconf-editor to change nautilus properties?
[21:53] <mewshi> Where should I post the picture of my issue?
[21:53] <Kaj-Laptop> leave 12 and 13 alone , evilaim
[21:53] <evilaim> Can't I just edit grub to say auto boot 13?
[21:53] <virtuald> harisund: /etc/default/grub
[21:53] <evilaim> I don't really NEED the space or anything
[21:53] <evilaim> and I don't wanna cripple this system since it's ballin' atm
[21:54] <harisund> Does anyone know if Empathy supports Facebook?
[21:55] <ActionParsnip> harisund: i find it a lot OTT considering I single booty
[21:55] <ActionParsnip> harisund: http://philliptweedie.wordpress.com/2009/05/18/facebook-chat-with-empathy-in-ubuntu/
[21:56] <hakaishi> Kaj-Laptop: It seems there is no help for me -.-   I thoght it could've to do with this libc6 bug
[21:56] <Kaj-Laptop> yes evilaim you set your timeout to "0" in /etc/default/grub
[21:57] <Kaj-Laptop> hakaishi, ok try to reinstall jaunty if karmic won't work for your setup
[21:58] <hakaishi> Kaj-Laptop: guess I'll do that -.-
[21:59] <Kaj-Laptop> dinnertime here ..it's thanksgiving in Canada ...BBL
[21:59] <hakaishi> Kaj-Laptop: bye bye
[22:00] <xmnt> anyone else see this offer from the linux foundation?  https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/join/individual/join
[22:01] <mewshi> so... no one wants to see the picture of my issue?
[22:02] <mewshi> can anyone help me with this, please?
[22:03] <elumbella> mewshi, what is your problem?
[22:03] <mewshi> I'm having a weird issue with the netbook interface
[22:03] <elumbella> what interface?
[22:04] <mewshi> the main interface in the netbook remix?
[22:04] <Jaymac> i've lost all of my sound. :( went to the sound menu to try and figure out how to get my mic working, and suddenly all of my sound is zapped.. even changing everything back to exactly the same way it was doesn't work
[22:04] <Jaymac> listening to music or watching youtube videos the timer progresses at about 3x the normal rate but i don't hear anything
[22:04] <mewshi> O.o
[22:05] <mewshi> Jaymac, have you tried rebooting it?
[22:05] <mewshi> That would be my first thing
[22:05] <elumbella> mewshi, ah well. i'm sorry, i have no knowlegde about that...
[22:05] <Jaymac> mewshi, yes of course
[22:05] <Jaymac> the weird thing is i still get the sound at the login screen
[22:06] <mewshi> Well... hm... is your volume on?  Sorry, these are things I've actually done before
[22:06] <elumbella> Jaymac, i had no sound too. for me, it was my missing ownership of the hidden folders in my home directory
[22:06] <darthanubis> jdobrien, I miss Orlando;)
[22:07] <Jaymac> elumbella, is the folder name obvious? will take a look
[22:07] <elumbella> Jaymac, it was
[22:07] <elumbella> Jaymac, i don't know exactly, i changed ownership of all folder at once
[22:07] <Jaymac> looks like i own them all
[22:08] <elumbella> Jaymac, well, this is, where my experience ends :/ i'm sorry
[22:08] <Jaymac> elumbella, no worries
[22:10] <mewshi> ok, how do I file an *actual* bug report?
[22:10] <mewshi> Like, "this is what's wrong, here's a picture of it" bug reports
[22:10] <thiebaude> !launchpad
[22:10] <mac_v> mewshi: $ubuntu-bug <package-name>
[22:10] <mac_v> !bugs | mewshi
[22:11] <TheEvilOne> hey has anyone here installed the beta to find out that there wireless card no longer works
[22:11] <Jaymac> ok i just logged in to a different user on the same machine and the sound works fine.. i guess i can just copy my sound prefs across or something
[22:11] <Jaymac> if i can find htem
[22:12] <elumbella> Jaymac: you can also try to rename the ~/.pulse or ~/.gnome2 folders and log back on
[22:13] <evilaim> Ok, can someone help me a lil, I don't ask much :)
[22:13] <elumbella> they will be generated automatically with default settings
[22:13] <evilaim> I want my grub to auto boot kernel *.13
[22:13] <evilaim> I don't want it to ask...
[22:13] <mac_v> elumbella: the gnome2 ! 0.o a lot will be lost ;)
[22:13] <evilaim> Any idears?
[22:13] <evilaim> I really just want a damn quick boot time, no questions
[22:14] <elumbella> evilaim: which grub are you using?
[22:14] <evilaim> the new one
[22:14] <evilaim> think grub 2 beta 3?
[22:14] <mac_v> Jaymac: just the ~/.pulse and the .pulse-cookie
[22:15] <mac_v> !grub2 | evilaim
[22:15] <elumbella> evilaim: sorry, i still have the old one. i knew it for that, but i think it wont help you
[22:15] <minimec> evilaim: is there a second OS on the harddisk?
[22:15] <evilaim> no
[22:15] <mewshi> there, I filed a bug about it.  Hopefully someone will get around to fixing it.
[22:15] <evilaim> just different kernel images
[22:16] <Jaymac> fixed it, sweet
[22:16] <minimec> evilaim: I see you got grub and not grub2...
[22:16] <Jaymac> didn't have to delete any folder
[22:16] <Jaymac> ty for suggestions thought elumbella
[22:16] <elumbella> you're welcome Jaymac
[22:17] <evilaim> ?
[22:17] <evilaim> This is a fresh install
[22:17] <evilaim> So I'm assuming it's grub 2
[22:18] <mac_v> evilaim: grub2 is the default in karmic... pls refer to the wiki for all the options
[22:18] <minimec> evilaim: open /boot/grub/menu.lst and set +# to timout, and -# to hiddenmenu.
[22:19] <evilaim> it's blank
[22:19] <joaopinto> minimec, there is /boot/grub/menu.lst on grub2
[22:19] <elumbella> minimec: he got the new grub
[22:20] <elumbella> so its somewhere around /etc/grub or something
[22:20] <minimec> evilaim: So it's probably /etc/grub something ...
[22:20] <evilaim> let me check
[22:21] <evilaim> nope
[22:21] <joaopinto> evilaim, read the wiki page
[22:21] <evilaim> ugh
[22:21] <evilaim> yes, sir.
[22:21] <evilaim> sheebus
[22:21] <ubuntu_> hello!
[22:21] <ubuntu_> I've upgraded from kubuntu 9.04 to 9.10 a few minutes ago and tried to reboot. Everything seemed normal, the normal kubuntu-loading-screen appeared. The Loading time was much shorter, but that seems to be normal too (I read an article about kde wants to shorten the startup time up to 10 seconds). After the loading screen nothing happens. The screen turns black. The computer doesn't restart or shutdown, it looks like everythign is normal exce
[22:21] <ubuntu_>  screen is black.
[22:21] <joaopinto> minimec, same to you :)
[22:21] <ubuntu_> I don't have the slightest idea where to start now, because everything in the upgrade could have broken my system... :S
[22:21] <elumbella> evilaim: it's /etc/default/grub
[22:21] <ubuntu_> I'm currently running kubuntu from the kubuntu live cd...Can anyone help me please?
[22:22] <evilaim> tx
[22:22] <kklimonda> huh, I've installed only ubuntu-standard and got openoffice..
[22:22] <joaopinto> ubuntu_, nvidia ?
[22:22] <ubuntu_> yes
[22:22] <evilaim> ok
[22:22] <evilaim> So, I want timeout to be 0
[22:22] <evilaim> ?
[22:22] <kklimonda> can't even check LP for bugs like this..
[22:22] <thiebaude> ubuntu_, system-administration-hardware drivers
[22:23] <thiebaude> ubuntu_, my bad your using kubuntu
[22:23] <joaopinto> ubuntu_, I have seen nvidia complaining about unbootable systesm today
[22:23] <ubuntu_> ok
[22:24] <ubuntu_> any suggestions what to do now?
[22:24] <thiebaude> ubuntu_, which nvidia card?
[22:24] <ubuntu_> 9600 GT
[22:24] <elumbella> evilaim: in the old grub, you could set the highlighted entry somewhere, look for sth like that
[22:24] <Ian_Corne> shouldn't he just check his logs first?
[22:25] <ubuntu_> don't tell me nvidia isn't working with ubuntu/linux anymore, i bought an nvidia card to avoid that old ATI stuff :S
[22:25] <elumbella> evilaim: or simly change the order
[22:25] <thiebaude> ubuntu_, nvidia works prefect for me
[22:25] <Ian_Corne> the old ati stuff is the new nvidia stuff!
[22:25] <Ian_Corne> jk, it works fine with me too
[22:25] <thiebaude> 8400 gs 512mb ram
[22:25] <Ian_Corne> both ati and nvidia
[22:25] <elumbella> ubuntu_: nividia works fine here too...
[22:25] <ubuntu_> ok
[22:26] <ubuntu_> maybe it's not my graphic card causing the error
[22:26] <ubuntu_> maybe it isn't even an error
[22:26] <ubuntu_> i can
[22:26] <joaopinto> thiebaude, and are you using the open source driver ?
[22:26] <elumbella> ubuntu_: do you remember which version of the driver you installed?
[22:26] <thiebaude> joaopinto, no
[22:26] <ubuntu_> i can't tell what it is because i doesn't see anything :D
[22:26] <joaopinto> thiebaude, he is
[22:26] <thiebaude> 185 drivers that ubuntu searched for
[22:26] <elumbella> ubuntu_: can you switch to the other consoles?
[22:26] <ubuntu_> no i installed the proprietary one that was offered to me by kubuntu
[22:26] <ubuntu_> no
[22:26] <evilaim> ummm
[22:26] <joaopinto> ubottu, oh you did
[22:26] <evilaim> brb
[22:27] <evilaim> gunna test
[22:27] <ubuntu_> I tested this first, Alt+F1 doesn't work.
[22:27] <elumbella> ubuntu_: try ctrl+alt+f1
[22:27] <ubuntu_> ok I will
[22:28] <ubuntu_> is there anything else i should check? It's better i know this now instead of rebooting for another 5 minutes ;)
[22:28] <joaopinto> ctrl-altf-f1 is broken for me with the usplash updates
[22:28] <elumbella> ubuntu_: do you have the new grub?
[22:29] <ubuntu_> i think so because the normal kubuntu loading screen was shown
[22:29] <Ian_Corne> ubuntu_: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[22:29] <ubuntu_> and how?
[22:29] <Ian_Corne> mount your disks
[22:29] <Ian_Corne> in the livecd
[22:29] <ubuntu_> aah right thanks
[22:29] <jbuncher> is anyone else running into wpa enterprise issues on karmic?  network-manager doesn't remember the password after a reboot, so I have to put in all of the info again.
[22:30] <Ian_Corne> jbuncher: how to know if you're dealing with wpa enterprise?
[22:30] <elumbella> ubuntu_: you can try to remove the "splash" indicator from /boot/grub/menu.lst
[22:30] <evilaim> Ummm, boot is WAY slower
[22:30] <evilaim> Meh, I guess I'll wait till the 29th
[22:30] <jbuncher> Ian_Corne, umm......you just select it?  It's different than wpa personal or wpa-psk, most home routers don't have it.  I need to use it on campus.
[22:30] <Ian_Corne> ok
[22:31] <Ian_Corne> we don't use a wpa system on campus
[22:31] <coz_> evilaim,  no only problem with waiting is that you may come across a bug that wont be fixed if you dont report it
[22:31] <Ian_Corne> just a login screen in a browser before you can do anything
[22:31] <evilaim> Well, I don't know man.  This just seems like a grub issue
[22:31] <evilaim> it's very very slow
[22:31] <evilaim> hmm
[22:31] <evilaim> I wonder if I have grub logs
[22:31] <coz_> evilaim,  yeah my  install wont boot at all with the new grub  :)
[22:32] <evilaim> haha
[22:32] <evilaim> where are system logs again?
[22:32] <evilaim> I thought /etc/log
[22:32] <evilaim> nm
[22:32] <evilaim> /var/log
[22:32] <evilaim> haha
[22:32] <Ian_Corne> yeh
[22:32] <Ian_Corne> :p
[22:32] <evilaim> blonde moment
[22:32] <evilaim> Grub doesn't log?
[22:33] <elumbella> evilaim: try dmesg
[22:33] <evilaim> kk
[22:33] <joaopinto> there are no filesystems mounted when grub runs, there is nothing to log
[22:33] <ubuntu_> here's my xorg log: http://pastebin.com/m2da6f8be
[22:34] <Ian_Corne> #
[22:34] <Ian_Corne> (EE) NVIDIA: Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module. Please check your
[22:34] <rob0> ubuntu-9.10-beta-netbook-remix-i386.iso ... this is ISO9660 for a CD? (Kind of odd, since few netbooks come with CD drives.)
[22:34] <Ian_Corne> that's not good :p
[22:34] <Ian_Corne> #
[22:34] <Ian_Corne> (EE) NVIDIA:     system's kernel log for additional error messages.
[22:34] <Ian_Corne> go check that log
[22:34] <ubuntu_> where do i find it?
[22:34] <Ian_Corne> syslog i think
[22:34] <Ian_Corne> sec
[22:34] <evilaim> hmm
[22:35] <rob0> evilaim, grub cannot log anything, since it runs before the OS is running, no syslogd, et c.
[22:35] <ubuntu_> or i would set the standard display driver as default in my x11 conf and then reinstall the nvidia driver for the new kubuntu 9.10 release.
[22:35] <Ian_Corne> yes syslog
[22:35] <ubuntu_> as i remember right, during the upgrade the nvidia driver was uninstalled for any reason
[22:35] <Ian_Corne> i'd try to disable the priopitairy one
[22:35] <ubuntu_> maybe i don't see anything because the driver doesn't exist anymore
[22:35] <evilaim> So, is it ok if I downgrade back to grub 1?
[22:35] <evilaim> or is that asking for shit?
[22:35] <ubuntu_> vesa is the default display driver, right?
[22:36] <Ian_Corne> ubuntu_: chroot into your system and use jockey-gtk
[22:36] <Ian_Corne> to disable the driver
[22:36] <thiebaude> evilaim, me last week trying to upgrade to grub2 broke my system
[22:37] <elumbella> evilaim: i won't recommend it. it's a very complicated thing, you might end worse
[22:37] <evilaim> ugh
[22:37] <thiebaude> i'll order the 9.10 cd when its available
[22:37] <Ian_Corne> is the shop fixed yet?
[22:38] <Ian_Corne> i need to order cd's to hand out at uni :)
[22:38] <Ian_Corne> ShipIt is currently closed
[22:38] <Ian_Corne> We'll be back in a few days, shipping Ubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty Jackalope) CDs.
[22:38] <ubuntu_> ok i will try to restart now
[22:38] <thiebaude> Ian_Corne, yea, i've been ordering cd's since 6.06
[22:38] <elumbella> good luck :)
[22:38] <ubuntu_> in case it doesn't work; right then and in case it works, thank you :)
[22:40] <rob0> Okay, it is ISO9660. But it should be easy enough to copy over to a USB stick, right?
[22:42] <Ian_Corne> rob0: I use unetbootin to make my live-sticks
[22:43] <jdu> rob0: as do I
[22:44] <nick125> Hm. Anyone here know if it's possible to use a mail client OTHER THAN Evolution and still have it under the little mail icon in the tray?
[22:44] <rob0> I don't have that, but I think I know how to proceed with syslinux.
[22:45] <jdu> rob0: which unetbootin uses anyway
[22:47] <CShadowRun> nick125, easy, right click on the mail icon, click properties
[22:47] <CShadowRun> change it's command from evolution to <other mail client>
[22:47] <CShadowRun> job done
[22:47] <nick125> CShadowRun: I'm talking about the one in the system tray that has links with empathy, etc.
[22:48] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[22:48] <thiebaude> yo
[22:48] <elumbella> CShadowRun: i think he talks about the indicator-applet
[22:48] <elumbella> yeah, right
[22:48] <CShadowRun> oh, i thought he was talking about the launcher, no idea then :P
[22:48] <elumbella> nick125: you need a plugin for the mail-client
[22:48] <jbuncher> That's a good question, how to configure which apps show up in the indicator applet and which ones don't
[22:48] <ripps> When somebody writes an libindicate plugin for it, then it'll appear in the indicator-applet
[22:48] <jbuncher> I, for one, don't need Empathy showing up there ever.
[22:49] <Ian_Corne> u
[22:49] <Ian_Corne> hehe
[22:49] <duffydack> I for one dont need empathy.
[22:49] <jbuncher> duffydack, agreed
[22:49] <ripps> ubuntu's empathy has libindicate built into it
[22:50] <elumbella> pidgin too
[22:50] <ripps> I believe pidgin has a plugin that does it, it can be disabled
[22:50] <duffydack> I find I`m uninstalling more stuff with each release.. add empathy with it
[22:51] <duffydack> thats the beauty of it tho, I can :)
[22:51] <ripps> I don't have any issues with empathy, it does everything that pidgin did, so I don't have any issues with it.
[22:52] <jbuncher> ripps, That's cool.  I find it to be much less usable and configurable than pidgin so I just can't stand it.
[22:52] <ubuntu__> so, there I am again
[22:52] <Ian_Corne> yeah it's not *there* yet
[22:52] <Ian_Corne> lol ubuntu__ :p
[22:52] <Ian_Corne> no change?
[22:52] <phako> could some of you (without having a custom gnome installed) execute the script http://python.pastebin.com/m1a90a754 and tell me if this outputs the home dir three times, please?
[22:53] <Ian_Corne> ill do it
[22:53] <ubuntu__> I was right, the nvidia driver was uninstalled during the upgrade... changing the xorg.conf to use the vesa driver let me start into my new 9.10 system
[22:53] <Ian_Corne> is python .py?
[22:53] <jbuncher> nick125, I'm pretty sure I saw that someone wrote a libindicate plugin for thunderbird, if that's what you're looking for.  It wasn't in the repositories though, but you can probably fid it with some googling.
[22:53] <ubuntu__> so there was the problem which si a big advantage to know.
[22:53] <phako> Ian_Corne, yes
[22:53] <nick125> jbuncher: I'm looking for it as we speak.
[22:53] <duffydack> does empathy have a now listening plugin?
[22:53] <duffydack> what plugins does it have anyway?
[22:53] <joaopinto> phako, no, it ouputs the 3 different paths, as expected
[22:54] <Ian_Corne> $ ./test.py
[22:54] <Ian_Corne> MUSIC /home/icorne/Music
[22:54] <Ian_Corne> PICTURES /home/icorne/Pictures
[22:54] <Ian_Corne> VIDEOS /home/icorne/Videos
[22:54] <phako> joaopinto, did you an upgrade or a plain install?
[22:54] <joaopinto> phako, plain install
[22:54] <phako> Ian_Corne, plain install as well?
[22:54] <Ian_Corne> yeh
[22:54] <Ian_Corne> well
[22:54] <phako> could someone who upgraded test this please?
[22:54] <Ian_Corne> i installed aditional libs for vent client and stuff
[22:55] <Ian_Corne> ah
[22:55] <Ian_Corne> yeah it's a clean beta install
[22:55] <ubuntu__> but now i wanted to installed the newer driver again via the hardware driver manager. so i started this driver manager, entered my root passwort and selected the newest nvidia driver from the list. Then i clicked on "activate". For half a second a downlaod/install window appeared and disappeared again without any error. Afterwards the entries in the list of the hardware driver manager are greyed out any i can't do anything except quit the
[22:55] <Ian_Corne> i'll try it on my other box
[22:55] <ubuntu__> manager
[22:55] <Ian_Corne> uit's upgraded
[22:55] <ubuntu__> the nvidia driver isn't installed afterwards off course
[22:55] <phako> joaopinto, Ian_Corne thanks :)
[22:55] <joaopinto> yw
[22:55] <elumbella> anyone already working with ubuntu one?
[22:56] <ubuntu__> any ideas what's wrong with the hardware driver manager? it worked in older releases very nice, but now it simply doesn't install the driver
[22:56] <jbuncher> nick125, try libnotify-mozilla
[22:56] <Ian_Corne> hmm phako
[22:56] <Ian_Corne> i'll /msg
[22:56] <evilaim> Ok, another issue I'm having
[22:56] <evilaim> Conky...
[22:57] <evilaim> when I run conky, it doesn't line up the wallpaper properly, looks like it's shifted it a lil bit down...  any ideas
[22:57] <nick125> jbuncher: Thanks. I'll take a look.
[22:57] <ubuntu__> well i upgraded karmic to the newest releases right now and i will try another restart now. right then
[22:57] <jdu> evilaim: look in .conkyrc and adjusting the settings for x and y positions
[22:58] <evilaim> for background?
[22:58] <causasui> getting very choppy sound with ekiga on a wireless network. is it possible that it's my network despite the network manager telling me I have 90% signal strength?
[22:59] <evilaim> ok
[22:59] <evilaim> found a wicked setting
[22:59] <evilaim> "Create own window" turn it off
[23:00] <evilaim> it'll fork it to the root window
[23:00] <evilaim> much better:)
[23:00] <evilaim> Now I just need to figure out the shift down
[23:01] <alankila> causasui: use system monitor to watch the network performance and estimate if the problem is with saturation of the link based on testing how fast your link is, and so on.
[23:02] <causasui> alankila: good idea, I'll try that
[23:03] <causasui> alankila: its sending and receiving about 20k/sec each. Since I can receive at 1.5MBs stable, I doubt its my network after all... must be pulse audio?
[23:04] <alankila> well what you should test is the point-to-point connection performance and perhaps the link stability: if you have a very small audio buffer then retransmits in wireless or any pauses could occur. I was hoping you could have seen long pauses where no data moves this way.
[23:04] <alankila> it's also possible, of course, that the problem might be related to the pulseaudio system, but then you would probably have any audio breaking regardless of what makes it
[23:04] <nick125> Hey....anyone here using Gwibber? I'm having a bit of an uh...issue. Gwibber is trying to announce every public twitter message via notifyOSD.....any way to get it to uh...not do that?
[23:05]  * alankila thinks the on-screen notify is one of the most annoying features of modern gnome
[23:06] <Ian_Corne> hehe :p
[23:06] <alankila> can I change the style of notify to something that either doesn't appear, or is buffered behind a flashing icon so I can check it when I feel like it, or one I can dismiss by pointing my mouse at it rather than have it blur and become transparent, it frustrates me that I can't dismiss it
[23:06] <causasui> alankila: Unfortunately with Ekiga I get no long pauses but only a lot of choppiness. The thing is that I remember having problems setting up Ekiga with previous versions too, but i cant remember how I fixed it. Ekiga doesnt seem to like pulseaudio, much less than other apps like VLC
[23:06] <evilaim> Yay, matrix wallpaper on my irssi
[23:06] <evilaim> haha
[23:06] <nick125> GAH! Even though I killed gwibber, the notifications are still coming in! GAAAAAAAAAAH
[23:07] <Ian_Corne> lol ni1s
[23:07] <Ian_Corne> lol nick125 *
[23:07] <alankila> causasui: you seem to be arguing that the problem is with pulseaudio but at the same time you are also admitting that other applications work? You should come up with a proper theory for what is wrong with the combination of ekiga and pulseaudio. I'll offer one: ekiga may be programming pulseaudio for too short latency period. Look at ekiga settings and increase any latency figure by about 10-fold if you find any
[23:08] <causasui> alankila: I dont want to get personal about this.
[23:08] <alankila> I've never even looked at that software
[23:08] <causasui> alankila: the ekiga docs say there are known problems with pulseaudio so if you think its an unplausible theory maybe you should have them updated
[23:12] <alankila> hmm. Looks like ekiga wasn't even a native pulseaudio app
[23:12] <alankila> well, that could be why it has problems... based on my experience, the alsa-pulse bridge seems to be hopelessly broken. :-/
[23:13] <alankila> hmm. Correction. ekiga is linked against pulseaudio.
[23:14] <causasui> alankila: is there anything i can do short of uninstalling pulseaudio? will my 2 sound cards still work if I do that?
[23:15] <alankila> hard to say. Ekiga uses a library called PT (for Portable Tools) which itself is linked against pulseaudio, so I expect it might even use pulse properly.
[23:16] <alankila> I do not think pulseaudio is really uninstallable any more... Last time I tried I had things like gconfd running in 100% cpu consuming loop because that wanted to talk to pulseaudio and couldn't find it, so it tried again
[23:16] <alankila> but that could have been a simple bug. You can try it, that's all I can say for the time being.
[23:16] <causasui> alankila: maybe there are alternatives like twinkle that work better with PA?
[23:17] <minimec> causasui: Ubuntustudiocould be a solution. I don't guess that they use pulseaudio.
[23:17] <causasui> minimec: I was hoping for a solution less drastic than installing another distro :(
[23:18] <minimec> causasui: What if you just change from pulseaudio to alsa in gstreamer-properties as a start?
[23:18] <alankila> for the record, I'm examining if portable tools has been enhanced with pulseaudio support
[23:18] <dragon> what are the chances of breaking stuff while upgrading an ubuntu-server to karmic?
[23:19] <alankila> it doesn't seem like it is. It uses alsa. It must be alsa that is somehow pulling in the pulse libraries.
[23:19] <alankila> figuring out the tree of dependencies is not easy, though ...
[23:20] <alankila> something depends on it, but ptlib contains no trace of pulse that grep can find
[23:21] <dragon> anyone?
[23:21] <arvind_khadri> Hi, can i use tomboy to create sticky notes?
[23:21] <dragon> arvind_khadri: tomboy runs on mono, which is a memory bloat. Consider using something sensible.
[23:22] <minimec> causasui: I am not even sure that you have to install the whole system. There is a ubuntustudio-desktop metapackage in the repo...
[23:22] <alankila> considering how little bloat there is in tomboy, that's pretty unfair... nautilus uses 26M, tomboy 30M, compiz 45M ... it's very similar to the other apps really.
[23:23] <alankila> similar shared memory regions as well, about 17M for each
[23:24] <Trizicus> i have all required samba ports supposedly open with gufw but when i port scan myself it says i only have 135 and 445 open. I cannot connect to any windows shares with the firewall enabled but I can when it is disabled.
[23:24] <tr2n-ng> hello. i got this error after upgrade from jaunty to karmic during booting with kernel 2.6.31.13 : "warning: unable to find a suitable fs in /proc/mounts, is it mountet?" what can i do?
[23:25] <alankila> (of course, tomboy will bloat if you use it, but then again everyone runs firefox and that baby *starts* with 60 MB footprint and nobody seems to mind)
[23:25] <dragon> alankila: compiz handles all the graphics and nautilus covers the desktop icons and launchers.
[23:25] <dragon> alankila: and it's totally ridiculous to compare Tomboy with Firefox, you know that.
[23:26] <alankila> is it? Doesn't tomboy contain html rendering engine inside?
[23:26] <alankila> I thought it embedded mozilla
[23:26] <dragon> alankila: use it if you want to.
[23:26] <ripps> I mind firefox, I hate firefox. So I've switched to chromium
[23:26] <rwat> just installed karmic on my mac mini media box - completely fails to detect my 42" plasma TV - how do I manually configure it, there doesn't seem to be an xorg.conf any more
[23:26] <dragon> ripps +1
[23:26] <alankila> I'm just pointing out that mono isn't *that* bloated as you made it sound like. It's largely in line with the other applications, although I admit that there is about extra 10 MB of memory that goes for the mono runtime and other overhead at least.
[23:27] <tr2n-ng> i forgot this text: "Use --subdomainfs to override." I have no idea what does that means.
[23:27] <jonathan_> hello!
[23:28] <dragon> alankila: "mono" consumes memory and stays persistent, when things can be done in a better way.
[23:28] <jonathan_> after the upgrade to 9.10, gstreamer is uninstalled for any reasons. I'm using kubuntu, so i don't really need it, but I'm a big fan of songbird which is based on this library. i can't install it anymore, it isn't in the repos anymore. What to do now?
[23:28] <alankila> I wouldn't run mono on my stupid 128 MB laptop because I can't afford to waste 10 MB if I can spare that by using some other tool. But everyone's desktops have like 1 to 4 GB of memory these days and you don't notice 10 MB spent on code anymore. Hell, I run eclipse regularly and that has memory footprint of 436 MB and I haven't used it much yet
[23:28] <dragon> alankila: 1. Your eclipse installation has a problem.
[23:29] <alankila> nope, it's stock install of eclipse.
[23:29] <dragon> alankila: 2. Tomboy consumes that 30MB+ memory sitting in the tray. That's too much for a panel icon.
[23:29] <alankila> just what you get if you download 3.5.1 and untar it and execute the eclipse binary in it.
[23:30] <Nafai> dragon: Uh, have you used Eclipse?  If you have projects of any considerable size open it is definitely a memory hog
[23:30] <dragon> alankila: I get no more than 200MB with eclipse, and I see it as value-for-money.
[23:30] <alankila> dragon: well, that's a fair point. But all the other icons that just sit in the tray seems to start with 15 MB, albeit they do mark about 10 MB shared. So we are really arguing about 10 MB, aren't we?
[23:30] <dragon> Nafai: Have I used eclipse? Figure it out. Large projects do consume 300MB+, but that's not a fresh install out of box.
[23:31] <alankila> well it's fresh install *and* my work's projects checked out.
[23:31] <dragon> alankila: If an icon sitting in tray would consume 15MB, I wouldn't want it there in any case. In my experience, mono tended to consume more than 10MB, growing with time.
[23:32] <Nafai> dragon: It's kind of useless to consider the memory usage of an Eclipse with nothing open, though.
[23:32] <Nafai> But I'm not here to argue
[23:32]  * Nafai goes back to lurking
[23:32] <thiebaude> Nafai, haha
[23:32] <alankila> dragon: I would like to point out that with jaunty, there was a bug in pango that made every open of dejavu sans consume 6 MB, so every app consumed about 22 MB and marked the same amount shared as now
[23:33] <alankila> that's 6 MB on top of what they consume now
[23:33] <alankila> pretty much nobody noticed
[23:34] <joshua_> could someone please tell me how to change the login screen on ubuntu 9.1
[23:34] <dragon> alankila: that'd be a trouble for a user like me.
[23:34] <alankila> in fairness I could save on eclipse's memory footprint just by running it with some -Xmx options. I think I could easily run this with about 160 MB heap or so
[23:34] <alankila> perhaps even less
[23:35] <joshua_> could someone please tell me how to change the login screen on ubuntu 9.1
[23:35] <diwic> quick question: I have several kernels installed on Karmic. How do I boot a previous one?
[23:35] <elumbella> diwic: select the one in your grub menu
[23:35] <elumbella> if it doesn't apper
[23:35] <dragon> alankila: I personally wouldn't mind having a large eclipse thing running as long as I'm using it. Same applies to tomboy. Problem was the tray icon blocking a chunk of memory.
[23:35] <diwic> it doesn't
[23:36] <rob0917> the fluendo codecs from the ubuntu store won't work in 9.10
[23:36] <elumbella> diwic: if it doesn't appear you have to edit the /etc/default/grub file
[23:37] <dragon> diwic: You can hit some key (I think 'e') to edit the command line options in grub while booting. Try typing the kernel's location there.
[23:37] <joshua_> could someone please tell me how to change the login screen on ubuntu 9.1
[23:38] <joaopinto> Josh1, there is no ubuntu 9.1, you mean 9.10 ?
[23:38] <alankila> dragon: fine, but since you are only complaining about tomboy that means you seem to tolerate each non-tomboy icon that you are presumably using quite little using 5 MB. While that's a better number, it is qualitatively much the same argument.
[23:38] <dragon> joshua_: System > Administration > Login Window
[23:38] <joshua_> ya
[23:38] <joaopinto> !karmic | joshua_
[23:38] <joaopinto> ops
[23:38] <joaopinto> we are there :D
[23:38] <joshua_> I only have "Login Screen" no button for Login Window
[23:39] <dragon> joshua_: click on it?
[23:39] <BUGabundo> doh joaopinto :)
[23:39] <alankila> about the browser: I'd like to migrate to epiphany-browser myself. I don't know why I'd want google's version of webkit more than I'd like gnome's version of the same rendering engine.
[23:39] <joshua_> I only have one option that is to enable automatic login
[23:39] <phoenixz> Using kubuntu 9.10, every now and then suddenly I get this avalanche of "sorry, but the .... program crashed".. funny thing is, it says "firefox" has crached, gwenview too, the kernel too, and some 10 others.. all mixed.. I click them away but for every one I click away, I get 0-5 others, about the same programs.. and the best of all, Im not using gwenview at that time, firefox is still running okay and I don't notice any kernel problem.. What is this
[23:39] <phoenixz>  about?
[23:39] <phoenixz> or better, I think this is a bug :)
[23:40] <joaopinto> Josh1, there is no login screen configurator
[23:40] <joaopinto> erm, joshua_
[23:40] <joshua_> why
[23:40] <joshua_> thats dumb
[23:40] <alankila> Mozilla's great fault is that their linux support is pretty bad: they do not give linux version anywhere near the same level of care as they give for the windows version, which is entirely rational. But that means the linux browser is shitty.
[23:40] <Jordan_U> diwic: Hold shift during boot to see the menu
[23:40] <dragon> !prefix | joshua_
[23:41] <joshua_> !tab joaopinto
[23:41] <diwic> Jordan_U: thanks, I'll try that :-) I was currently looking for documentation about /etc/default/grub
[23:41] <joshua_> why cant we edit our login screens
[23:41] <peloverde> As of very recently my audible bell is going off for nearly everything, is there a way to change this?
[23:41] <diwic> !tab
[23:42] <jimpop> peloverde, yes
[23:42] <diwic> Jordan_U: are we even running grub legacy or grub 2?
[23:42] <joaopinto> joshua_, because that is not yet available on the new gdm version
[23:43] <peloverde> jimpop, how?
[23:43] <Jordan_U> diwic: grub2
[23:43] <jimpop> peloverde, set "set bell-style none" in /etc/inputrc
[23:43] <diwic> Jordan_U: still package "grub" is installed but not package "grub2"
[23:44] <joshua_> my headphones work on ubuntu 9.10 but not in 9.04 can someone help me fix that
[23:44] <peloverde> jimpop, that only fixed libreadline apps
[23:44] <Jordan_U> diwic: If you upgrade it doesn't transition automatically
[23:44] <joaopinto> joshua_, if they work, what fix do you need ?
[23:44] <diwic> Jordan_U: this was a fresh karmic install from live-CD beta
[23:44] <jimpop> peloverde, what other apps are belling?
[23:45] <peloverde> jimpop, xchat chromium vim
[23:45] <joshua_> i am on the beta of 9.10 but with all of the bugs i would like to switch back to ubuntu 9.04 but not without my headphones
[23:45] <Jordan_U> diwic: The package is grub-pc
[23:45] <jimpop> peloverde, vim has a "set vb" option, put it in .vimrc
[23:46] <jimpop> peloverde, xchat has notification options
[23:46] <Jordan_U> diwic: grub is a meta package that can be satisfied either by grub legacy or grub2 ( whose package is grub-pc )
[23:46] <peloverde> jimpop, there used to be some sort of global setting, none of these apps were belling last week
[23:46] <lordmetroid> Do I need to reinstall from the BETA when the actual release is due in a few days?
[23:46] <joshua_> i am on the beta of 9.10 but with all of the bugs i would like to switch back to ubuntu 9.04 but not without my headphones
[23:46] <diwic> joshua_: It is difficult to know what to do about the headphones, it might help to upgrade alsa
[23:47] <joshua_> is it not possible to copy my sound configuration and copy it to ubuntu 9.04
[23:48] <jimpop> peloverde, can't help with that.... but I would be the first to point the finger at pulseaudio :-)
[23:48] <drop_tables> Anyone have a glitchy black line in their notification area?
[23:48] <diwic> Jordan_U: I have not grub-pc installed. I have grub-common though, who claims that it replaces grub-pc.
[23:48] <jimpop> joshua_ wrt headphone issue... what hardware?
[23:48] <peloverde> sigh, hopefully this is fixed in time for the release
[23:49] <joshua_> intel HDA Audio
[23:49] <joshua_> Gateway T-6345u
[23:49] <jimpop> yep
[23:49] <diwic> joshua_: copying alsa configuration is not likely to help.
[23:49] <jimpop> joshua_ the trick is to modify /etc/modprobe.d/alsa*.conf
[23:50] <jimpop> joshua_, however it is hardware dependent.   what you need to do is try adding "model=3stack" to the line that has snd-hda-intel
[23:51] <jimpop> for instance:  "options snd-hda-intel model=3stack power_save=10"
[23:51] <maco> jimpop: wait how did you determine which quirk he needs?
[23:51] <wirechief_> joshua_: what codec do you have ?
[23:51] <jimpop> maco: much pain
[23:51] <jimpop> much pain
[23:51] <joshua_> so why do my headphones work on ubuntu 9.10 but not on 9.04
[23:51] <maco> jimpop: same hardware?
[23:51] <jimpop> no
[23:51] <maco> jimpop: then how do you know which quirk?
[23:51] <joshua_> how would i find that out
[23:51] <maco> guess n test
[23:51] <diwic> Jordan_U: thanks for helping out...I'll try the Shift button
[23:52] <jimpop> but i have read nearly every blog post on alsa problems and the 3stack line helped on my laptop
[23:52] <wirechief_> joshua_: you can use alsa-info
[23:52] <diwic> joshua_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[23:52] <wirechief_> wget -O alsa-info.sh  http://alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && bash ./alsa-info.sh
[23:52] <jimpop> joshua_ i have a 95% confidence that the 3stack option will solve your problem.
[23:52] <wirechief_> that runs it, do as user in /home/user
[23:53] <diwic> wirechief_: nowadays ubuntu-bug -p alsa-base is preferred
[23:53] <joshua_> cool
[23:53] <Martyn> with karmic's replacement of init, are any new kernel commandline params needed?
[23:53] <joshua_> i would try it but i am running the beta of 9.10
[23:53] <wirechief_> diwic well thats true but having a attachement with the above will give alsa devs eyes a better view
[23:53] <joshua_> i cant wait for the new release to come out
[23:53] <jimpop> Martyn, my favs are ipv6.disable=1 apparmor=0 bluetooth=disable
[23:54] <joshua_> What is Grub 2
[23:54] <Martyn> the new bootloader
[23:54] <Martyn> !grub2
[23:54] <jimpop> Grub had 1 config file... Grub 2 has too many ;-)
[23:55] <joshua_> "New" Bootloader, Whats wrong with the "old" bootloader
[23:55] <Jordan_U> jimpop: Yea, one configfile with parts that were comments, but not really comments
[23:55] <jimpop> joshua_ new for the sake of newness
[23:56] <Jordan_U> joshua_: jimpop grub legacy is no longer supported by the grub developers
[23:56] <rob0> Technically nothing is "wrong" even with LILO. GRUB has some added capabilities, but any Linux boot loader will load a Linux kernel.
[23:56] <jimpop> Jordan_U, that's because it worked so well
[23:56] <drop_tables> New grub is modular! Remind me why it needs to be modular?
[23:56] <Jordan_U> jimpop: No, it's because they refuse to support it. They support grub2
[23:57] <rob0> Just because you upgrade your distro does not mean you have to "upgrade" your boot loader.
[23:57] <Jordan_U> drop_tables: So that you can have a recovery shell in case of problems with your /boot partition
[23:58] <drop_tables> Hope I won't need that, but cool feature
[23:59] <jimpop> i though the livecd was for problems with /boot
[23:59] <shiflado> has anyone installed LDAP in ubuntu?