[01:02] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan|Szel: I don't get the problem with the description. Dooble is inside a secure and open source web browser?
[01:03] <JontheEchidna> Secure and Open Source Web Browser probably shouldn't be captialized, but...
[03:34] <shtylman> anyone know a good office icon we have in oxygen?
[04:13] <yuriy> oh wow dr konqi is *really* nice now, didn't see the wizard before
[04:17] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it got deleux'd in 4.3
[04:18] <JontheEchidna> you can even install -dbg packages and then hit the retrace button
[04:18] <JontheEchidna> if the future they're trying to get it to tell you what packages to install for good backtraces, via plugins for the various platforms (deb, rpm, etc)
[04:24] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: yeah i saw that, i guess i never actually went through the new process before though
[04:25] <yuriy> konqueror 4.3.2 i'm a little less happy with now, reporting the second crash in 10 min
[06:43] <nixternal> jjesse: I have put basket-kde4 into my ppa...it is actually about as good as it was, thus far just porting to kde4 which seems complete to me...I know you were a basket fan once upon a time
[06:49] <Mamarok> nixternal: great!
[06:50] <nixternal> yowsers, my webhost tanked big time..went down hard...usually my server is never effected
[07:20] <jussi01> neversfelde: pong
[07:25] <jussi01> neversfelde: I tried to install the koffice packages  go some packaging errors (I can get by, but you need to fix them) http://paste.ubuntu.com/292125/
[07:27] <tsimpson> jussi01: you need to install the .debs manually with dpkg --force-overwrite -i <debs>
[07:28] <tsimpson> then continue with apt-get upgrade
[07:28] <jussi01> tsimpson: yeps, I know. just giving it back to neversfelde to fix the errors ;)
[07:29] <tsimpson> right, "(I can get by" != "(I cant get by"
[07:29] <tsimpson> coffee helps reading
[07:32] <jussi01> hehe
[07:33] <jussi01> this is looking nice, but still not MS office compatibility... :/
[07:46] <jussi01> oooh, but its coming!!! :D
[07:46] <jussi01> http://www.koffice.org/news/nokia-announces-ms-office-2007-import-filters-for-koffice/
[08:26] <apachelogger> jussi01: looks like soon we can make it default :)
[08:26] <jussi01> apachelogger: yeps.
[08:26] <apachelogger> ms office compability was always the major show stopper ScottK brought up
[08:26]  * jussi01 cant wait
[08:26] <jussi01> koffice for lucid!! :D
[08:27] <jussi01> as soon as the alpha for 2.2 comes out, please package so I can test... :D
[09:03] <Quintasan|Szel> hello
[09:04] <PedroLeKoi> Hello to all.
[09:05] <PedroLeKoi> I want to offer my help to someone who needs it...
[09:05] <PedroLeKoi> Does anybody needs some help?
[09:05] <Quintasan|Szel> PedroLeKoi: support in #kubuntu
[09:05] <Quintasan|Szel> this is channel for developers :)
[09:06] <PedroLeKoi> And developers doesn't need help???
[09:06] <PedroLeKoi> O.k.
[09:06] <PedroLeKoi> I leave...
[09:07] <Quintasan|Szel> Oh my, I thought about general help
[09:07] <Quintasan|Szel> PedroLeKoi:  ofc we need help, do you know how to create Debian packages
[09:08] <Quintasan|Szel> ?
[09:10] <Quintasan|Szel> PedroLeKoi: I'm on mobile now and I'm unable to provide you direct links but there is a great introduction to packaging on http://wiki.ubuntu.com
[09:11] <Quintasan|Szel> PedroLeKoi: you can also translate kubuntu-docs to any language you feel comortable with.
[09:11] <maco> PedroLeKoi: dholbach made some packaging videos that are on the ubuntu developer channel on youtube
[09:15] <Quintasan|Szel> PedroLeKoi: after reading you can examine some packages that are in ubuntu by grabbin the source and examining debian/ directory inside them
[09:15] <Quintasan|Szel> PedroLeKoi: you can use apt-get source <package_name>
[09:16] <Quintasan|Szel> PedroLeKoi: there is a list of apps needing packaging on Launchapd
[09:16] <Quintasan|Szel> s/ap/pa
[09:17] <Quintasan|Szel> PedroLeKoi: search for needs-packaging in Buglist
[09:18] <Quintasan|Szel> PedroLeKoi: that's all info I can provide you right now cause I'm on mobile and somehow I managed to remove my /home on my main machine :/
[09:19] <PedroLeKoi> I will read the manual and go on with 'needs-packaging'.
[09:20]  * Quintasan|Szel is out
[09:57] <jussi01> !packaging | PedroLeKoi
[10:07] <jussi01> !pm | PedroLeKoi
[10:08] <PedroLeKoi> @ubottu I am sorry!
[10:09] <PedroLeKoi> @ubottu So: No need for packaging any more?
[10:23]  * apachelogger pokes JontheEchidna
[10:24] <jussi01> PedroLeKoi:
[10:24] <jussi01> ubottu is a bot
[10:25] <PedroLeKoi> jussi01: I see.
[10:59] <neversfelde> jussi01: thank you for testing. Unfortunately I am not at home and won't be for a longer time, so I cannot finish it :(
[11:00] <neversfelde> we also need to fix a patch for kid3, the author send it to me. It would be great, if I could forward this mail to a motu, who has the time to improve the existing patch?
[11:02] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: we need upgrade from hardy testing if you are interested in a task which would take an hour or three
[11:38] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I'm affraid the Qt fix won't be there ready for karmic... it'll have to wait for lucid...
[11:38] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I still get some trouble at some points, and a segfault risk isn't acceptable this late...
[11:38] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I have the base of the fix, so that's pretty cool, and I'll test on my own... at least it'll be fixed for the lts
[11:39] <Tonio_> also Riddell I noticed graphical bugs with the latest Qt and firefox, when we use the qtcurve theme, that's pretty bad
[11:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: so I wonder if fixing qt really deserves this effort :)
[11:43] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: helper code down to <200SLOC, still including apport code and only restarting is somewhat working at this point
[11:59] <Riddell> Tonio_: mm, maybe not
[12:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm sure qtcurve will get a fix, but releasing with a broken firefox/qt intégration would really be bad imho...
[12:01] <Riddell> I've also no idea how to fix the Qt build so probably other things that need our time more
[12:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: I agree
[12:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning the Qt build, I'd say that there is an issue in the buildd at some point...
[12:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: it works in any other build context
[12:10] <Riddell> it even works in a PPA
[12:11] <Riddell> but strange that it breaks in both our and debian's buildds
[12:11] <Tonio_> yeah...
[12:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: well it is the same software right (sbuild I assume)
[12:11] <Tonio_> that may explain...
[12:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: I looked at the buildlog, and I must say I didn't find any clue on that point
[12:12] <Tonio_> but since we have regressions, that's not that bad, we'll do that for lucid
[12:12] <Tonio_> as well as the fixes I'm working on...
[13:04] <apachelogger> sebas: is there something that would make Kubuntu more enjoyable for you as plasma dev? i.e. experience of Kubuntu as development platform
[13:16] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: cool
[13:17] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: I also noticed that for some things, the second drag doesn't have the + or cancel icons on the mouse cursor
[13:18] <JontheEchidna> Riddell, Tonio_: QtCurve should be fixed with the latest upstream release. lex79 was working on that
[13:20] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: in any case I wouldn't take the risk to put a qt patch this late, especially since it only fixes visual stuff
[13:20]  * jussi01 wonders if the obsidian coast/OO.org bug is fixed, should go check...
[13:20] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: too much of a risk :)
[13:20] <JontheEchidna> I would agree there
[13:31] <ScottK> apachelogger and jussi01: It's not just having some compatibility, it's a lot about the quality of the MS Office compatibility.  For a long time OOo was poor enough I had to keep a copy of Office around to check stuff before I mailed it out.  Now I don't and rarely have problems with docs I get from other people.
[13:33] <ScottK> We're having some trouble with armel livefs builds.  How hard would it be to turn off lzma for armel?
[13:33] <jussi01> ScottK: we can hope ;)
[13:36] <ScottK> Nevermind on armel, it was about initrd, not KDE
[13:44] <apachelogger> ScottK:lzma is off on armel
[13:51] <ScottK> apachelogger: OK.  It turned out to be something different, my mistake
[13:51] <apachelogger> :P
[14:50] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: I am free for upgrade testing now.
[14:51] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: Where do I get the software or will you do it via remote access?
[14:53] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: you would need to install hardy, you can do this with a CD if you have a spare partition or you can set up a chroot
[14:53] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: which would you do?
[14:53] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: You talked about 'upgrade from hardy testing'
[14:54] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: yes, so you need to start with getting hardy installed
[14:54] <Riddell> which can be done from a CD or from a chroot
[14:54] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: I am going to save my system using clonezilla.
[14:54] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: Then install from CD.
[14:55] <Riddell> great, the CD images are at http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hardy/
[14:55] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: Is the installation CD still available on the net?
[14:55] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: Thank you.
[14:55] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: How do we continue with communication?
[14:55] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: well once you have it installed you can get back onto IRC
[14:56] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: Shall I write you about errors if any ouccure?
[14:56] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: Shall I better write bug reports instead?
[14:57] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: once you have hardy installed you'll need instructions from me on how to upgrade
[14:58] <lex79> Riddell: kde-style-qtcurve and gtk2-engines-qtcurve are in bzr and I uploaded also in ppa
[14:59] <Riddell> lex79: bugfix only releases?
[14:59] <lex79> no, config files now stored under $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/qtcurve
[14:59] <lex79> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/QtCurve+%28KDE4%2C+KDE3%2C+%26+Gtk2+Theme%29?content=40492
[15:00] <Riddell> oh ug
[15:01] <Riddell> lex79: did you work out how migration was handled?
[15:01] <yuriy> PedroLeKoi: or even better you can use a virtual machine such as virtualbox and just keep using your system if you have the RAM for it
[15:02] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: I started to download the desktop CD.
[15:02] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: could you sync soprano with debian? We missed a bugfix-only release (2.3.1)
[15:02] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: How do I 'create' a virtualbox?
[15:02] <lex79> Riddell: I didn't, can you download from ppa and test?
[15:05] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: Sorry for asking! I found a manual.
[15:08] <flacoste> anyone knows how to configure skype audio devices with Kubuntu 9.10?
[15:08] <flacoste> the sound devices only allow 'Pulse Audio'
[15:09] <flacoste> and I have no idea how to control that stuff
[15:09] <flacoste> from within KDE
[15:09] <flacoste> i thought kubuntu didn't use pulse audio
[15:13] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: ok
[15:13] <Riddell> flacoste: KDE will try to use pulseaudio if it finds that it's already running, I've no idea what skype does
[15:14] <Riddell> flacoste: is pulseaudio installed?
[15:14] <flacoste> i removed it
[15:14] <flacoste> but it doesn't change anything
[15:19] <flacoste> ah, but removing pulseaudio didn't remove the server
[15:19] <flacoste> kill it
[15:19] <flacoste> after i killed the server, skype reverts to ALSA, nice
[15:21] <agateau> mmm... Konversation FTBFS for me, complaining about a missing mediaobject.h file
[15:21] <agateau> anybody else see this?
[15:25] <agateau> nevermind, my mistake
[15:32] <Riddell> flacoste: hmm, so yet another case where pulseaudio's mere presence causes confusion :(
[15:32] <flacoste> yes, i don't understand why it was installed
[15:33] <flacoste> during the upgrade
[15:33] <Riddell> something gtk-ish probably brought it in
[15:33] <flacoste> i didn't ask for it, and could remove it without any other packages (except pulseaudio related) removed
[15:53] <Daskreech> Does failsafe crash from kdm from you in Koala?
[16:01] <NCommander> Riddell, ping?
[16:04] <Riddell> ah, NCommander
[16:04] <Riddell> so, sip, what's the crack?
[16:05] <NCommander> Riddell, I don't think we can sanely introduce a new sip4 in-archive
[16:05] <NCommander> Riddell, because thats going to require bumping python-qt4
[16:05] <NCommander> (I think you can see where this trainwreck is heading)
[16:06] <NCommander> Riddell, I did post both python-qt4 and sip4 to Debian though, so the packaging is done
[16:06] <Riddell> and what's wrong with bumping python-qt4?
[16:06] <Riddell> we'd need to recompile kdebindings, anything else?
[16:07] <NCommander> Riddell, there's no way to know if we break the ABI
[16:07] <NCommander> Riddell, (this is an ongoing issue in Debian without a sane resolution)
[16:07] <NCommander> Riddell, so probably the only sane thing to do to prevent any regression is to rebuild any Arch: any packages the dep on python-qt4/python-sip4
[16:07] <NCommander> As you can see, it gets messy
[16:08] <Riddell> there's not /that/ many pyqt applications our there, that's all do-able
[16:08] <Riddell> and it's not like we have a choice
[16:08] <NCommander> Riddell, well, you were one of the representatives that dealt with sip4 upstream. Could you see if they would retroactively change SIP4's license?
[16:09] <Riddell> no he won't
[16:09]  * NCommander says a four letter word
[16:09] <davmor2> NCommander: was it WORK
[16:10]  * NCommander whacks davmor2 with a pointy stick
[16:10] <NCommander> Riddell, do you want ot bring this up with slangasek so we can get the FFes we need granted?
[16:10] <davmor2> NCommander: What you know you want it too :P
[16:10] <Riddell> NCommander: I can grant FFes, slangasek knows it needs doing
[16:11] <NCommander> (speaking of FFe, I also have one you could look at for me Riddell ;-))
[16:11] <NCommander> Riddell, so .... do you just want to grant them? I think sip4-qt3 can be synced. Not sure if python-qt4 needs a merge or a sync
[16:12] <Riddell> NCommander: yep, I'll do that shortly
[16:12] <Riddell> NCommander: what FFe can I look at for you?
[16:13] <NCommander> Riddell, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/431206
[16:13] <Riddell> hmm, this may not be within my usual area of expertese
[16:16] <Riddell> NCommander: I don't think I understand what that bug is asking for.  something needs to happen to partman-uboot, is it a new package?
[16:16] <NCommander> Riddell, partman-uboot is a new package that extends partman to support the partitioning setup we need on dove boards
[16:17] <NCommander> Riddell, its an installer component, and armel+dove specific so the regression chance is pretty minute
[16:17]  * NCommander butchered the spelling on that
[16:20] <Riddell> NCommander: would someone who knows about installer stuff be more appropriate?  cjwatson comes to mind
[16:21]  * Daskreech asks that someone tries to login as failsafe when they have a chance
[16:23] <apachelogger> Daskreech: how so?
[16:23]  * apachelogger is wondering how to get to his lecture on taxes
[16:23] <apachelogger> freaking cold outside
[16:26] <Daskreech> apachelogger: on KDM choose failsafe login type and try login :)
[16:27]  * apachelogger did not log out for 7 days
[16:27] <apachelogger> dont see a reason for either :P
[16:29] <Daskreech> I'm getting the same thing as bug 281950
[16:32] <Daskreech> I get the same x-terminal-emulator: Fatal IO error: client killed at least
[16:33] <NCommander> Riddell, cjwatson was the one who uploaded the package to NEW and sponsored it; I'm not sure he'll grant an FFe on a package he's already touched
[16:46] <Riddell> NCommander: surely by uploading it he is accepting that it'll be a FFe
[16:47] <NCommander> Riddell, he said I still needed an FFe when I asked about it
[16:47] <Riddell> NCommander: I see it in new queue though so I can approve it when I do my archive admin shortly
[16:47] <Riddell> NCommander: but it'll need a main inclusion report?
[16:48] <NCommander> Riddell, probably unless you can justify kicking it straight into main
[17:02] <debfx> Riddell: do you have an idea how to properly fix the "pidgin tray icon too large on kde" issue (bug #209440)?
[17:04] <Riddell> debfx: as I understand it you have a fix but our gnome maintainer just doesn't want to upload it
[17:04] <Riddell> NCommander: package accepted
[17:05] <NCommander> Riddell, thanks
[17:05] <NCommander> (package FTBFS'ed -_-; oops)
[17:05] <Riddell> doh
[17:05] <Riddell> "RuntimeError: the sip module implements API v6.0 but the PyKDE4.kdecore module requires API v5.0"  guess you're right about that ABI change
[17:05] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: I am here now...
[17:06] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: try the CD in another computer if you can then
[17:06] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: the i18n patch for spc-kde seems to not have been bzr-added
[17:07] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: good catch!
[17:16] <\sh> hmm..does anybody has crashes with latest karmic kde + enabled desktop settings + ATI Technologies Inc RV516 [Radeon X1300/X1550 Series] (floss driver)
[17:20] <valgaav> \sh:  crashes shoud be gone with latest 7.6 ubuntu3 mesa driver
[17:21] <\sh> valgaav, still ubuntu2 here...
[17:21] <\sh> upgrading ;)
[17:21] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: The CD works fine. So it's the hardware...
[17:22] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: I can't install it on the second PC. So how shall I continue?
[17:22] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: probably your hardware is too old for hardy then
[17:22] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: settings up a chroot would work almost as well
[17:22] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: I can take you through doing that
[17:23] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: If you like to spend your time on other things: I saw a manual on the net today...
[17:23] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: sudo debootstrap hardy hardy    is how to start
[17:24] <\sh> Riddell, just read you do some archive duties today?
[17:25] <\sh> Riddell, if so, please have a look at bug #419099 upstream is tramping on my feet about that
[17:27] <Riddell> \sh: ok
[17:27] <\sh> Riddell, thx :)
[17:28] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: as long as you're doing removals... bug 450400, bug 450392
[17:28] <JontheEchidna> kde3--
[17:29] <JontheEchidna> ~karma kde3
[17:29] <kubotu> karma for kde3: -1
[17:29] <Riddell> but but kboincspy has the more amusing name ever!
[17:29] <JontheEchidna> lol
[17:29] <JontheEchidna> I find the notion to be quite insane myself :D
[17:31] <JontheEchidna> would I need another FFe for bug 450497?
[17:31] <JontheEchidna> bug 450497
[17:31] <lex79> JontheEchidna: I'm thinking, we have still plasmoid-* in archive....
[17:33] <JontheEchidna> we could remove the transitional package for plasmoid-teacooker now
[17:34] <Riddell> ScottK: the reporter of bug 430913 seems to have self-confirmed it, do we trust him?
[17:35] <lex79> plasmoid-xbar too
[17:35] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[17:35] <JontheEchidna> I'll do xbar if you'll do teacooker. sound good?
[17:36] <lex79> yes
[17:36] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I'll do the FFe as part of the sync process for that kmymoney one
[17:37]  * JontheEchidna will probably do his once-a-cycle 4.x branch patch pull tomorrow
[17:39] <lex79> should we importing some patches from kde branch before final freeze?
[17:40] <Riddell> lex79: that's usually as likely to add bugs as anything, there were a couple of bugs in 4.3.2 that have to be fixed
[17:41] <JontheEchidna> yeah, you have to be careful which ones you pull
[17:42] <lex79> seems reasonable :)
[17:44] <JontheEchidna> it's sort of a compromise between us not being able to release with 4.x.3, by cherrypicking obvious-fix patches
[17:58] <Daskreech> 4.3.4 is due how long after Koala ships?
[17:59] <Riddell> .3 is probably a couple of weeks after
[17:59] <Daskreech> So 4.3.4 would be a month and a couple weeks :)
[18:02] <Riddell> maybe, dirk tends to get more lax by the .4s
[18:02] <Daskreech> I'm getting a x-terminal-emulator: Fatal IO error: client killed in Koala when I login
[18:03] <Riddell> do you have x-terminal-emulator?
[18:03] <Daskreech> last reference I see to that in LP was bug 281950
[18:03] <Daskreech> yep
[18:04] <Daskreech> points to konsole
[18:04] <Daskreech> though maybe I should swap it to xterm
[18:05] <Daskreech> lets see what that does
[18:10] <maco> can anyone else confirm that if in KOrganizer's ToDo list you have some tasks categorized into a subcategory like School:Networks (in this case), and you choose either the category or subcategory from the dropdown in top right, it shows *nothing* instead of showing the tasks in the chosen category?
[18:10] <NCommander> Riddell, so are you handling the syncs of python-qt4/sip4-qt3 or should I do it?
[18:16] <Riddell> NCommander: I'm compiling and testing now
[18:16] <NCommander> Riddell, thanks
[18:16] <Riddell> NCommander: python-qt4 and sip4-qt3 seem to be sync-able, qscintilla needs a recompile then any pyqt application runs fine
[18:17] <NCommander> Riddell, qscintilla?
[18:17] <Riddell> NCommander: a qt widget with pyqt binding
[18:17] <NCommander> Riddell, it probably needs a binNMU in Debian
[18:17] <NCommander> w00t for no sane ABI handling
[18:49] <NCommander> Riddell, you still around?
[19:01] <Riddell> NCommander: for you?  always baby
[19:01] <NCommander> Riddell, neat. Can you re-push partman-uboot through Unaccepted?
[19:01] <NCommander> (it got a 2 upload to fix the FTBFS)
[19:01] <Riddell> unaccepted?
[19:02] <Riddell> why would it be unaccepted?
[19:02] <NCommander> Riddell, we're in freeze?
[19:02] <NCommander> Riddell, er, unapproved
[19:02]  * NCommander is having a mental block of the queue its stuck in
[19:02] <Riddell> no we're not
[19:03]  * NCommander blinks
[19:03] <NCommander> ...
[19:03] <NCommander> Riddell, ok, I've been at this too long
[19:03] <NCommander> sorry for line noise
[19:03] <Riddell> another couple of days until we're in freeze
[19:03] <NCommander> Riddell, care to put the binary through NEW :-)?
[19:06] <Riddell> NCommander: accepted
[20:00] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: chroot environment is running. I have to login from terminal window.
[20:18] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: I am going to leave now. I will be back tomorrow.
[20:18] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: Which steps are following?
[20:21] <JontheEchidna> sweet, bug 432521 got fixed
[20:22] <PedroLeKoi> Take care everybody. I will be back tomorrow. Bye
[21:00] <neversfelde> Riddell: I failed with packaging koffice beta3, there is a versin in experimental, but it is far way from beeing correct. I do not have pbuilder & Co here, so I cannot do anything with it for some time. sorry
[21:09] <Riddell> neversfelde: what was the problem?
[21:10] <neversfelde> Riddell: I tried to merge from debian and then I had to leave. I think I did several mistakes, upgrades from koffice 1.6.3 are working, but not from my older ppa packages
[21:12] <Riddell> neversfelde: ok I'll take a look at some point, thanks for making a start
[21:13] <neversfelde> Riddell: thank you
[21:13] <neversfelde> I also wrote a mail to the list about kid3, would be great if someone could improve the patch. Upstream did a lot of work to fix kid for karmic.
[22:00] <freinhard> hi!
[22:01] <freinhard> is switching virtual desktops is broken in karmic or just for me? X gets locked in waitforsomething
[22:03] <nixternal> freinhard: seems to be working fine here...I do it accidentally a coupld hundred times a day :)
[22:07] <freinhard> Xorg doesn't crash so this might be a kde issue?
[22:08] <freinhard> Xorg.0.log doensn't say anything
[22:46] <freinhard> where does cups get translated? lp?
[22:55] <Riddell> freinhard: our translations man doesn't seem to be around just now, I'm afraid I don't know but it should be easy to check
[23:01]  * freinhard hates people not testing webinterfaces with different browsers.
[23:01] <freinhard> cups set-printer-options is broken in konqueror
[23:15] <slacker_nl> i know this might not be the place to ask, but i don't have the show desktop plasma/widget in debian, where i did have it in ubuntu
[23:16] <slacker_nl> where did you guys get it? i want it back :)
[23:17] <freinhard> slacker_nl: i guess that one is part of plasma and should be there anyways
[23:17] <slacker_nl> freinhard: mmm
[23:18] <slacker_nl> cannot find it though..
[23:20] <freinhard> plasma-applet-showdesktop.desktop is in plasma-widgeds-addons
[23:20] <freinhard> plasma-widgets-addons
[23:20] <slacker_nl> k, will have a look thnx
[23:21] <slacker_nl> looks promising, i see lancelot as well
[23:24] <slacker_nl> freinhard: thank you very much!
[23:24] <slacker_nl> it is back
[23:27] <freinhard> yw