=== claydoh_ is now known as claydoh [01:02] Quintasan|Szel: I don't get the problem with the description. Dooble is inside a secure and open source web browser? [01:03] Secure and Open Source Web Browser probably shouldn't be captialized, but... === freeflyi2g is now known as freeflying [03:34] anyone know a good office icon we have in oxygen? [04:13] oh wow dr konqi is *really* nice now, didn't see the wizard before [04:17] yeah, it got deleux'd in 4.3 [04:18] you can even install -dbg packages and then hit the retrace button [04:18] if the future they're trying to get it to tell you what packages to install for good backtraces, via plugins for the various platforms (deb, rpm, etc) [04:24] JontheEchidna: yeah i saw that, i guess i never actually went through the new process before though [04:25] konqueror 4.3.2 i'm a little less happy with now, reporting the second crash in 10 min [06:43] jjesse: I have put basket-kde4 into my ppa...it is actually about as good as it was, thus far just porting to kde4 which seems complete to me...I know you were a basket fan once upon a time [06:49] nixternal: great! [06:50] yowsers, my webhost tanked big time..went down hard...usually my server is never effected [07:20] neversfelde: pong [07:25] neversfelde: I tried to install the koffice packages go some packaging errors (I can get by, but you need to fix them) http://paste.ubuntu.com/292125/ [07:27] jussi01: you need to install the .debs manually with dpkg --force-overwrite -i [07:28] then continue with apt-get upgrade [07:28] tsimpson: yeps, I know. just giving it back to neversfelde to fix the errors ;) [07:29] right, "(I can get by" != "(I cant get by" [07:29] coffee helps reading [07:32] hehe [07:33] this is looking nice, but still not MS office compatibility... :/ [07:46] oooh, but its coming!!! :D [07:46] http://www.koffice.org/news/nokia-announces-ms-office-2007-import-filters-for-koffice/ === highvolt1ge is now known as highvoltage [08:26] jussi01: looks like soon we can make it default :) [08:26] apachelogger: yeps. [08:26] ms office compability was always the major show stopper ScottK brought up [08:26] * jussi01 cant wait [08:26] koffice for lucid!! :D [08:27] as soon as the alpha for 2.2 comes out, please package so I can test... :D [09:03] hello === doko__ is now known as doko [09:04] Hello to all. [09:05] I want to offer my help to someone who needs it... [09:05] Does anybody needs some help? [09:05] PedroLeKoi: support in #kubuntu [09:05] this is channel for developers :) [09:06] And developers doesn't need help??? [09:06] O.k. [09:06] I leave... [09:07] Oh my, I thought about general help [09:07] PedroLeKoi: ofc we need help, do you know how to create Debian packages [09:08] ? [09:10] PedroLeKoi: I'm on mobile now and I'm unable to provide you direct links but there is a great introduction to packaging on http://wiki.ubuntu.com [09:11] PedroLeKoi: you can also translate kubuntu-docs to any language you feel comortable with. [09:11] PedroLeKoi: dholbach made some packaging videos that are on the ubuntu developer channel on youtube [09:15] PedroLeKoi: after reading you can examine some packages that are in ubuntu by grabbin the source and examining debian/ directory inside them [09:15] PedroLeKoi: you can use apt-get source [09:16] PedroLeKoi: there is a list of apps needing packaging on Launchapd [09:16] s/ap/pa [09:17] PedroLeKoi: search for needs-packaging in Buglist [09:18] PedroLeKoi: that's all info I can provide you right now cause I'm on mobile and somehow I managed to remove my /home on my main machine :/ [09:19] I will read the manual and go on with 'needs-packaging'. [09:20] * Quintasan|Szel is out [09:57] !packaging | PedroLeKoi [09:57] PedroLeKoi: The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports [10:07] !pm | PedroLeKoi [10:07] PedroLeKoi: Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can help you, benefit from your questions and answers, and ensure that you're not getting bad advice. Please note that some people find it rude to be sent a PM without being asked for permission to do so first. [10:08] @ubottu I am sorry! [10:09] @ubottu So: No need for packaging any more? [10:23] * apachelogger pokes JontheEchidna [10:24] PedroLeKoi: [10:24] ubottu is a bot [10:24] Yes, I can confirm that I am a bot. http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots for all information. [10:25] jussi01: I see. [10:59] jussi01: thank you for testing. Unfortunately I am not at home and won't be for a longer time, so I cannot finish it :( [11:00] we also need to fix a patch for kid3, the author send it to me. It would be great, if I could forward this mail to a motu, who has the time to improve the existing patch? [11:02] PedroLeKoi: we need upgrade from hardy testing if you are interested in a task which would take an hour or three [11:38] JontheEchidna: I'm affraid the Qt fix won't be there ready for karmic... it'll have to wait for lucid... [11:38] JontheEchidna: I still get some trouble at some points, and a segfault risk isn't acceptable this late... [11:38] JontheEchidna: I have the base of the fix, so that's pretty cool, and I'll test on my own... at least it'll be fixed for the lts === rmblr is now known as Ramblurr [11:39] also Riddell I noticed graphical bugs with the latest Qt and firefox, when we use the qtcurve theme, that's pretty bad [11:39] Riddell: so I wonder if fixing qt really deserves this effort :) [11:43] JontheEchidna: helper code down to <200SLOC, still including apport code and only restarting is somewhat working at this point [11:59] Tonio_: mm, maybe not [12:00] Riddell: I'm sure qtcurve will get a fix, but releasing with a broken firefox/qt intégration would really be bad imho... [12:01] I've also no idea how to fix the Qt build so probably other things that need our time more [12:10] Riddell: I agree [12:10] Riddell: concerning the Qt build, I'd say that there is an issue in the buildd at some point... [12:10] Riddell: it works in any other build context [12:10] it even works in a PPA [12:11] but strange that it breaks in both our and debian's buildds [12:11] yeah... [12:11] Riddell: well it is the same software right (sbuild I assume) [12:11] that may explain... [12:12] Riddell: I looked at the buildlog, and I must say I didn't find any clue on that point [12:12] but since we have regressions, that's not that bad, we'll do that for lucid [12:12] as well as the fixes I'm working on... === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu [13:04] sebas: is there something that would make Kubuntu more enjoyable for you as plasma dev? i.e. experience of Kubuntu as development platform [13:16] apachelogger: cool [13:17] Tonio_: I also noticed that for some things, the second drag doesn't have the + or cancel icons on the mouse cursor [13:18] Riddell, Tonio_: QtCurve should be fixed with the latest upstream release. lex79 was working on that [13:20] JontheEchidna: in any case I wouldn't take the risk to put a qt patch this late, especially since it only fixes visual stuff [13:20] * jussi01 wonders if the obsidian coast/OO.org bug is fixed, should go check... [13:20] JontheEchidna: too much of a risk :) [13:20] I would agree there [13:31] apachelogger and jussi01: It's not just having some compatibility, it's a lot about the quality of the MS Office compatibility. For a long time OOo was poor enough I had to keep a copy of Office around to check stuff before I mailed it out. Now I don't and rarely have problems with docs I get from other people. [13:33] We're having some trouble with armel livefs builds. How hard would it be to turn off lzma for armel? [13:33] ScottK: we can hope ;) [13:36] Nevermind on armel, it was about initrd, not KDE [13:44] ScottK:lzma is off on armel [13:51] apachelogger: OK. It turned out to be something different, my mistake [13:51] :P === EqS is now known as EgS [14:50] Riddell: I am free for upgrade testing now. [14:51] Riddell: Where do I get the software or will you do it via remote access? [14:53] PedroLeKoi: you would need to install hardy, you can do this with a CD if you have a spare partition or you can set up a chroot [14:53] PedroLeKoi: which would you do? [14:53] Riddell: You talked about 'upgrade from hardy testing' [14:54] PedroLeKoi: yes, so you need to start with getting hardy installed [14:54] which can be done from a CD or from a chroot [14:54] Riddell: I am going to save my system using clonezilla. [14:54] Riddell: Then install from CD. [14:55] great, the CD images are at http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hardy/ [14:55] Riddell: Is the installation CD still available on the net? [14:55] Riddell: Thank you. [14:55] Riddell: How do we continue with communication? [14:55] PedroLeKoi: well once you have it installed you can get back onto IRC [14:56] Riddell: Shall I write you about errors if any ouccure? [14:56] Riddell: Shall I better write bug reports instead? === agateau_ is now known as agateau [14:57] PedroLeKoi: once you have hardy installed you'll need instructions from me on how to upgrade [14:58] Riddell: kde-style-qtcurve and gtk2-engines-qtcurve are in bzr and I uploaded also in ppa [14:59] lex79: bugfix only releases? [14:59] no, config files now stored under $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/qtcurve [14:59] http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/QtCurve+%28KDE4%2C+KDE3%2C+%26+Gtk2+Theme%29?content=40492 [15:00] oh ug [15:01] lex79: did you work out how migration was handled? [15:01] PedroLeKoi: or even better you can use a virtual machine such as virtualbox and just keep using your system if you have the RAM for it [15:02] Riddell: I started to download the desktop CD. [15:02] Riddell: could you sync soprano with debian? We missed a bugfix-only release (2.3.1) [15:02] Riddell: How do I 'create' a virtualbox? [15:02] Riddell: I didn't, can you download from ppa and test? [15:05] Riddell: Sorry for asking! I found a manual. [15:08] anyone knows how to configure skype audio devices with Kubuntu 9.10? [15:08] the sound devices only allow 'Pulse Audio' [15:09] and I have no idea how to control that stuff [15:09] from within KDE [15:09] i thought kubuntu didn't use pulse audio [15:13] JontheEchidna: ok [15:13] flacoste: KDE will try to use pulseaudio if it finds that it's already running, I've no idea what skype does [15:14] flacoste: is pulseaudio installed? [15:14] i removed it [15:14] but it doesn't change anything [15:19] ah, but removing pulseaudio didn't remove the server [15:19] kill it [15:19] after i killed the server, skype reverts to ALSA, nice [15:21] mmm... Konversation FTBFS for me, complaining about a missing mediaobject.h file [15:21] anybody else see this? [15:25] nevermind, my mistake [15:32] flacoste: hmm, so yet another case where pulseaudio's mere presence causes confusion :( [15:32] yes, i don't understand why it was installed [15:33] during the upgrade [15:33] something gtk-ish probably brought it in [15:33] i didn't ask for it, and could remove it without any other packages (except pulseaudio related) removed [15:53] Does failsafe crash from kdm from you in Koala? [16:01] Riddell, ping? [16:04] ah, NCommander [16:04] so, sip, what's the crack? [16:05] Riddell, I don't think we can sanely introduce a new sip4 in-archive [16:05] Riddell, because thats going to require bumping python-qt4 [16:05] (I think you can see where this trainwreck is heading) [16:06] Riddell, I did post both python-qt4 and sip4 to Debian though, so the packaging is done [16:06] and what's wrong with bumping python-qt4? [16:06] we'd need to recompile kdebindings, anything else? [16:07] Riddell, there's no way to know if we break the ABI [16:07] Riddell, (this is an ongoing issue in Debian without a sane resolution) [16:07] Riddell, so probably the only sane thing to do to prevent any regression is to rebuild any Arch: any packages the dep on python-qt4/python-sip4 [16:07] As you can see, it gets messy [16:08] there's not /that/ many pyqt applications our there, that's all do-able [16:08] and it's not like we have a choice [16:08] Riddell, well, you were one of the representatives that dealt with sip4 upstream. Could you see if they would retroactively change SIP4's license? [16:09] no he won't [16:09] * NCommander says a four letter word [16:09] NCommander: was it WORK [16:10] * NCommander whacks davmor2 with a pointy stick [16:10] Riddell, do you want ot bring this up with slangasek so we can get the FFes we need granted? [16:10] NCommander: What you know you want it too :P [16:10] NCommander: I can grant FFes, slangasek knows it needs doing [16:11] (speaking of FFe, I also have one you could look at for me Riddell ;-)) [16:11] Riddell, so .... do you just want to grant them? I think sip4-qt3 can be synced. Not sure if python-qt4 needs a merge or a sync [16:12] NCommander: yep, I'll do that shortly [16:12] NCommander: what FFe can I look at for you? [16:13] Riddell, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/431206 [16:13] Launchpad bug 431206 in Ubuntu Karmic "partman-uboot needs to exist for check script for supporting manual partitioning" [Medium,Triaged] [16:13] hmm, this may not be within my usual area of expertese [16:16] NCommander: I don't think I understand what that bug is asking for. something needs to happen to partman-uboot, is it a new package? [16:16] Riddell, partman-uboot is a new package that extends partman to support the partitioning setup we need on dove boards [16:17] Riddell, its an installer component, and armel+dove specific so the regression chance is pretty minute [16:17] * NCommander butchered the spelling on that === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [16:20] NCommander: would someone who knows about installer stuff be more appropriate? cjwatson comes to mind [16:21] * Daskreech asks that someone tries to login as failsafe when they have a chance [16:23] Daskreech: how so? [16:23] * apachelogger is wondering how to get to his lecture on taxes [16:23] freaking cold outside [16:26] apachelogger: on KDM choose failsafe login type and try login :) [16:27] * apachelogger did not log out for 7 days [16:27] dont see a reason for either :P [16:29] I'm getting the same thing as bug 281950 [16:29] Launchpad bug 281950 in kdebase-workspace "KDE Cannot start from kdm or gdm" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/281950 [16:32] I get the same x-terminal-emulator: Fatal IO error: client killed at least [16:33] Riddell, cjwatson was the one who uploaded the package to NEW and sponsored it; I'm not sure he'll grant an FFe on a package he's already touched [16:46] NCommander: surely by uploading it he is accepting that it'll be a FFe [16:47] Riddell, he said I still needed an FFe when I asked about it [16:47] NCommander: I see it in new queue though so I can approve it when I do my archive admin shortly [16:47] NCommander: but it'll need a main inclusion report? [16:48] Riddell, probably unless you can justify kicking it straight into main === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [17:02] Riddell: do you have an idea how to properly fix the "pidgin tray icon too large on kde" issue (bug #209440)? [17:02] Launchpad bug 209440 in pidgin "pidgin tray icon too large" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209440 [17:04] debfx: as I understand it you have a fix but our gnome maintainer just doesn't want to upload it [17:04] NCommander: package accepted [17:05] Riddell, thanks [17:05] (package FTBFS'ed -_-; oops) [17:05] doh [17:05] "RuntimeError: the sip module implements API v6.0 but the PyKDE4.kdecore module requires API v5.0" guess you're right about that ABI change [17:05] Riddell: I am here now... [17:06] PedroLeKoi: try the CD in another computer if you can then [17:06] Riddell: the i18n patch for spc-kde seems to not have been bzr-added [17:07] JontheEchidna: good catch! [17:16] <\sh> hmm..does anybody has crashes with latest karmic kde + enabled desktop settings + ATI Technologies Inc RV516 [Radeon X1300/X1550 Series] (floss driver) [17:20] \sh: crashes shoud be gone with latest 7.6 ubuntu3 mesa driver [17:21] <\sh> valgaav, still ubuntu2 here... [17:21] <\sh> upgrading ;) [17:21] Riddell: The CD works fine. So it's the hardware... [17:22] Riddell: I can't install it on the second PC. So how shall I continue? [17:22] PedroLeKoi: probably your hardware is too old for hardy then [17:22] PedroLeKoi: settings up a chroot would work almost as well [17:22] PedroLeKoi: I can take you through doing that [17:23] Riddell: If you like to spend your time on other things: I saw a manual on the net today... [17:23] PedroLeKoi: sudo debootstrap hardy hardy is how to start [17:24] <\sh> Riddell, just read you do some archive duties today? [17:25] <\sh> Riddell, if so, please have a look at bug #419099 upstream is tramping on my feet about that [17:25] Launchpad bug 419099 in fai "Please remove fai source package and all resulting binary packages from karmic" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/419099 [17:27] \sh: ok [17:27] <\sh> Riddell, thx :) [17:28] Riddell: as long as you're doing removals... bug 450400, bug 450392 [17:28] Launchpad bug 450400 in quiteinsane "Request for removal from archive (binary and source)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/450400 [17:28] Launchpad bug 450392 in kboincspy "Request for removal (source and binary)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/450392 [17:28] kde3-- [17:29] ~karma kde3 [17:29] karma for kde3: -1 [17:29] but but kboincspy has the more amusing name ever! [17:29] lol [17:29] I find the notion to be quite insane myself :D [17:31] would I need another FFe for bug 450497? [17:31] Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/450497/+text) [17:31] bug 450497 [17:31] Launchpad bug 450497 in kmymoney2-plugin-aqbanking "Sync kmymoney2-plugin-aqbanking 1.0-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/450497 [17:31] JontheEchidna: I'm thinking, we have still plasmoid-* in archive.... [17:33] we could remove the transitional package for plasmoid-teacooker now [17:34] ScottK: the reporter of bug 430913 seems to have self-confirmed it, do we trust him? [17:34] Launchpad bug 430913 in intrepid-backports "Please backport nginx 0.6.35 to Hardy, Intrepid from Jaunty Security" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/430913 [17:35] plasmoid-xbar too [17:35] yeah [17:35] I'll do xbar if you'll do teacooker. sound good? [17:36] yes [17:36] JontheEchidna: I'll do the FFe as part of the sync process for that kmymoney one [17:37] * JontheEchidna will probably do his once-a-cycle 4.x branch patch pull tomorrow [17:39] should we importing some patches from kde branch before final freeze? [17:40] lex79: that's usually as likely to add bugs as anything, there were a couple of bugs in 4.3.2 that have to be fixed [17:41] yeah, you have to be careful which ones you pull [17:42] seems reasonable :) [17:44] it's sort of a compromise between us not being able to release with 4.x.3, by cherrypicking obvious-fix patches [17:58] 4.3.4 is due how long after Koala ships? [17:59] .3 is probably a couple of weeks after [17:59] So 4.3.4 would be a month and a couple weeks :) [18:02] maybe, dirk tends to get more lax by the .4s [18:02] I'm getting a x-terminal-emulator: Fatal IO error: client killed in Koala when I login [18:03] do you have x-terminal-emulator? [18:03] last reference I see to that in LP was bug 281950 [18:03] Launchpad bug 281950 in kdebase-workspace "KDE Cannot start from kdm or gdm" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/281950 [18:03] yep [18:04] points to konsole [18:04] though maybe I should swap it to xterm [18:05] lets see what that does [18:10] can anyone else confirm that if in KOrganizer's ToDo list you have some tasks categorized into a subcategory like School:Networks (in this case), and you choose either the category or subcategory from the dropdown in top right, it shows *nothing* instead of showing the tasks in the chosen category? [18:10] Riddell, so are you handling the syncs of python-qt4/sip4-qt3 or should I do it? [18:16] NCommander: I'm compiling and testing now [18:16] Riddell, thanks [18:16] NCommander: python-qt4 and sip4-qt3 seem to be sync-able, qscintilla needs a recompile then any pyqt application runs fine [18:17] Riddell, qscintilla? [18:17] NCommander: a qt widget with pyqt binding [18:17] Riddell, it probably needs a binNMU in Debian [18:17] w00t for no sane ABI handling [18:49] Riddell, you still around? === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [19:01] NCommander: for you? always baby [19:01] Riddell, neat. Can you re-push partman-uboot through Unaccepted? [19:01] (it got a 2 upload to fix the FTBFS) [19:01] unaccepted? [19:02] why would it be unaccepted? [19:02] Riddell, we're in freeze? [19:02] Riddell, er, unapproved [19:02] * NCommander is having a mental block of the queue its stuck in [19:02] no we're not [19:03] * NCommander blinks [19:03] ... [19:03] Riddell, ok, I've been at this too long [19:03] sorry for line noise [19:03] another couple of days until we're in freeze [19:03] Riddell, care to put the binary through NEW :-)? [19:06] NCommander: accepted [20:00] Riddell: chroot environment is running. I have to login from terminal window. [20:18] Riddell: I am going to leave now. I will be back tomorrow. [20:18] Riddell: Which steps are following? [20:21] sweet, bug 432521 got fixed [20:21] Launchpad bug 432521 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "kdm does not restart X server (that crashed on logout)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/432521 [20:22] Take care everybody. I will be back tomorrow. Bye [21:00] Riddell: I failed with packaging koffice beta3, there is a versin in experimental, but it is far way from beeing correct. I do not have pbuilder & Co here, so I cannot do anything with it for some time. sorry [21:09] neversfelde: what was the problem? [21:10] Riddell: I tried to merge from debian and then I had to leave. I think I did several mistakes, upgrades from koffice 1.6.3 are working, but not from my older ppa packages === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [21:12] neversfelde: ok I'll take a look at some point, thanks for making a start [21:13] Riddell: thank you [21:13] I also wrote a mail to the list about kid3, would be great if someone could improve the patch. Upstream did a lot of work to fix kid for karmic. === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [22:00] hi! [22:01] is switching virtual desktops is broken in karmic or just for me? X gets locked in waitforsomething [22:03] freinhard: seems to be working fine here...I do it accidentally a coupld hundred times a day :) [22:07] Xorg doesn't crash so this might be a kde issue? [22:08] Xorg.0.log doensn't say anything === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === firephoto_ is now known as firephoto [22:46] where does cups get translated? lp? [22:55] freinhard: our translations man doesn't seem to be around just now, I'm afraid I don't know but it should be easy to check [23:01] * freinhard hates people not testing webinterfaces with different browsers. [23:01] cups set-printer-options is broken in konqueror === ryanakca_ is now known as Guest30694 === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [23:15] i know this might not be the place to ask, but i don't have the show desktop plasma/widget in debian, where i did have it in ubuntu [23:16] where did you guys get it? i want it back :) [23:17] slacker_nl: i guess that one is part of plasma and should be there anyways [23:17] freinhard: mmm [23:18] cannot find it though.. [23:20] plasma-applet-showdesktop.desktop is in plasma-widgeds-addons [23:20] plasma-widgets-addons [23:20] k, will have a look thnx [23:21] looks promising, i see lancelot as well [23:24] freinhard: thank you very much! [23:24] it is back [23:27] yw === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu === flacoste is now known as flacoste_afk === firephoto_ is now known as firephoto