[00:00] <davisc> shiflado: Tes
[00:00] <davisc> Yes, even
[00:01] <shiflado> do you have a manual?
[00:02] <shiflado> [davisc] i tried to configure it but i have had many problems
[00:03] <shiflado> [davisc] where are you
[00:04] <shiflado> heelloooo
[00:06] <aliendude5300> I just recently heard that Ubuntu contains "non-free" software by default, but I never paid for anything, can someone explain this?
[00:06] <Ozzy> I have installed ubuntu 9.10, and the partitioning of my drive is fine (2 windows formatted to nfts , 1 ext4 and one linux swap) however when I reboot I get an error message saying it cant find the root drive. When I boot into recovery mode, I cannot mount any drives because apparently "/ect/fstab does not exist". Any ideas?
[00:06] <ripps> aliendude5300: they mean free as in freedom. they are closed source
[00:06] <CShadowRun> aliendude5300, free as in speech, not free as in beer
[00:07] <alankila> aliendude5300: nvidia driver and fglrx and some wifi drivers and stuff like that I guess. Then there's something called ubuntu one whose server components aren't free (libre), although client probably is
[00:07] <aliendude5300> What packages are closed source? Can't an open source alternative provide the same if not better functionality yet?
[00:07] <CShadowRun> aliendude5300, graphics drivers
[00:07] <CShadowRun> adobe flash player
[00:07] <CShadowRun> codecs for media playback
[00:07] <CShadowRun> so on, so fourth
[00:07] <ripps> aliendude5300: sometimes, yes. For example, flash, is very immature in the open source front, so most people use adobe's closed version.
[00:08] <aliendude5300> Last time I checked, the Mesa 3D drivers were licensed under a 'free' license...
[00:08] <alankila> there's nothing to worry about the portions of non-free software imo. nvidia driver is the only real option for nvidia hardware presently, and you may have to go without your wi-fi, and flash still has no credible alternative, etc.
[00:08] <CShadowRun> can anyone link me to a working bootable karmic iso before i go on a mass murdering rampage? :P
[00:08] <aliendude5300> Flash is slowly being replaced by SVG and Open Video.
[00:08] <alankila> so you probably want that software, no matter what your beliefs surrounding software freedom is.
[00:08] <CShadowRun> second time i've downloaded the iso to be presented with a terminal and no boot :(
[00:08] <ripps> aliendude5300: nvidia and ati both have there own version of closed source drivers. Then tend to be better than Mesa in 3d front
[00:08] <Ozzy> Hi all,  I have installed ubuntu 9.10, and the partitioning of my drive is fine (2 windows formatted to nfts , 1 ext4 and one linux swap) however when I reboot I get an error message saying it cant find the root drive. When I boot into recovery mode, I cannot mount any drives because apparently "/ect/fstab does not exist". Any ideas?
[00:08] <aliendude5300> I just hope Silverlight NEVER gets used for anything major...
[00:09] <CShadowRun> aliendude5300, same
[00:09] <ripps> Although, hopefully gallium3d give them a run for their money
[00:10] <alankila> why the hell are you people opposed to silverlight which is arguably more free than flash?
[00:10] <aliendude5300> Silverlight is NOT free.
[00:10] <aliendude5300> Microsoft is redefining open source.
[00:10] <alankila> not that I want it to succeed either in the sense that there's already flash and java applets and java fx at least. No need for more.
[00:10] <aliendude5300> And it's crap. It doesn't even work for me.
[00:10] <CShadowRun> Anyone? working karmic iso?
[00:11] <ripps> aliendude5300: actually, there is an opensource alternative to silverlight, it's called moonlight, I'm not sure how well it works though
[00:11] <alankila> well, moonlight-plugin-core seems like free software to me, but then again I've never tried it
[00:12] <ripps> CShadowRun: read the topic
[00:12] <CShadowRun> ripps, yup, read it
[00:12] <alankila> the fight is over some kind of fast extension to browser really... we have JITted javascript today, and goole's native client, and java applets or java web start, and java fx, and flash, and silverlight... Plenty of contenders for the solution provider for this space
[00:12] <ripps> www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/beta has links for it
[00:12] <CShadowRun> ripps, fail to reboot, it says :)
[00:12] <alankila> Currently the fight is going well for adobe, but javascript and <video/> may beat it
[00:12] <aliendude5300> Moonlight isn't really open source. It's paid for by Microsoft. It's outsourced because Microsoft wanted to be able to claim to be cross-platform, but not officially endorse anything Free like Linux.
[00:13] <aliendude5300> http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/10/xaml-exploitation-of-the-olympics/
[00:13] <ripps> CShadowRun: than it's more bug with your hardware than with the iso's
[00:13] <CShadowRun> ripps, well my hardware boots the other distros fine
[00:13] <alankila> aliendude5300: those people are cranks, sorry.
[00:13] <habanany> help step partitioning installing karmic from live
[00:13] <ripps> CShadowRun: try looking through the launchpad bug reports
[00:13] <ripps> or perhaps, file one yourself
[00:14] <habanany> ...dual boot
[00:14] <Martyn> Does upstart completely replace /sbin/init?   If so, what is the kernel parameter that has to be passed in order to correctly start upstart?\
[00:14] <aliendude5300> Silverlight aims to make Microsoft's proprietary formats like WMV de facto standards on the web
[00:14] <CShadowRun> ripps, ubuntu-9.10-beta-desktop-amd64 doesn't start for me, if i click install ubuntu, it drops to a terminal
[00:14] <Martyn> !upstart
[00:15] <alankila> aliendude5300: true. Currently all the serious codecs seem to be closed, but theora 1.1 is probably getting good.
[00:15] <ripps> CShadowRun: I don't know, I don't have your problem, and I don't have your hardware. I can't help you
[00:15] <ripps> CShadowRun: try a daily livecd
[00:15] <CShadowRun> well from what i heard theres a bug recently that stops the livecd from booting
[00:15] <CShadowRun> tried the daily too
[00:16] <ripps> CShadowRun: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[00:16] <CShadowRun> ripps, yup, that's where i downloaded it from
[00:16] <CShadowRun> and it don't boot in virtualbox, havn't checked it in my pc yet to save wasting a cd
[00:16] <ripps> CShadowRun: try installing from the alternative cd, it's what I always use.
[00:17] <CShadowRun> i'm worried about the partitioning tool in the livecd
[00:17] <ripps> CShadowRun: it's the same as the livecd, it just uses ncurses as the gui
[00:17] <CShadowRun> in the alternate i mean
[00:17] <CShadowRun> oh
[00:17] <CShadowRun> that works :P
[00:18] <habanany> help pleaseeeee
[00:18] <CShadowRun> k, downloading the alternate, third time lucky hopefully
[00:18]  * aliendude5300 always installs using the alternative CD. I dont see why anyone bothers with the Live CD.
[00:18] <ripps> !ask | habanany
[00:18] <habanany> partition step
[00:18] <CShadowRun> habanany, that's not a question :P
[00:18] <habanany> okok
[00:18] <habanany> i know no english so patient please
[00:19] <habanany> i know no linux  either ok
[00:19] <ripps> habanany: what's you native language?
[00:19] <alankila> in that boycottnovell article the argument seems to be that because moonlight provides support for things on linux side, that's suddenly a proof that microsoft isn't a monopoly. And then it twists around and claims it's *bad* that microsoft isn't a monopoly anymore, that you can actually use those media formats outside windows. I find it odd because the plain reading of the situation would suggest otherwise.
[00:19] <habanany> spanish
[00:20] <alankila> you're faced with "works only on microsoft platform" and "works on microsoft platform and partially/fully on linux and other OSes as well", but because you hate microsoft you think the first option is better. That's absurd.
[00:20] <ripps> alankila: can this microsoft/moonlight convo be moved to #ubuntu-offtopic, this is a support channel
[00:20] <alankila> sure.
[00:20] <habanany> i'm trying to install karmic...
[00:20] <CShadowRun> !es | habanany
[00:20] <habanany> i dont know how to partition
[00:21] <habanany> okok i go to spanish
[00:21] <CShadowRun> :)
[00:21] <habanany> thanks for the link
[00:21] <CShadowRun> np
[00:33] <zooko`> Hey folks, I've run afoul of this bug in which mountall fails and boot stops.
[00:34] <zooko`> And then I learned that the CDROM drive in this laptop (my son's) won't boot.
[00:34] <zooko`> So now I'm trying to figure out how to work-around this bug without being able to boot a Rescue CD.
[00:34] <Nafai> zooko`: Will it boot from USB?
[00:35] <Nafai> I've been booting from a USB flash drive lately when needing to do that sort of thing
[00:38] <zooko`> Nafai: Hm, the boot menu in the BIOS lists CD/DVD FDD, HDD, and LAN.
[00:38] <zooko`> So I guess maybe it can't boot from USD.
[00:38] <ripps> zooko`: first, file a bug on mountall
[00:39] <Nafai> zooko`: :(
[00:40] <zooko`> ripps: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/447525
[00:45] <habanany> hey brothers ,I'm stoked trying to make a partition to instal karmic in a dual boot with windows 7....
[00:45] <zooko`> Sigh, my attempted work-around has made the problem worse.
[00:45] <zooko`> Dangit.
[00:45] <zooko`> Hm, I wonder if rebooting this machine into Windows XP will help.
[00:45] <zooko`> I guess I can just let my son use Windows XP...
[00:45] <habanany> I'm installing form live usb
[00:46] <ikt> Not windows!! *gasp*
[00:47] <habanany> all I need is to know which value tu put in the partition manager or wherever you call it...
[00:47] <habanany> I'm very new in linux
[00:47] <bigmack83> i tried installing the proprietary driver for my nvidea radeon hd 3200 graphics card, thefglrx driver. it showed it downloading the driver but the driver still shows as insactive, and does nothing when you try to enable it. and now my windows have a poor refresh rate redrawing only seemingly every half second. anyone familiar with the issue?
[00:48] <habanany> i wonder what is more convenient if installing linux ( karmic) on ntfs or any other format
[00:48] <Nafai> bigmack83: I thought fglrx is for ati
[00:49] <billybigrigger>  for my nvidea radeon hd 3200 graphics card
[00:49]  * billybigrigger giggles
[00:52] <bigmack83> Nafai, oh heh, not nvidia radeon (wong computer) its an ATI radeon. my bad
[00:52] <Nafai> bigmack83: :)
[00:53] <bigmack83> well in jaunty its the same driver and installs with no problem. is there a problem with the fglrx driver in karmic?
[00:54] <jbicha> habanany: don't install Linux on ntfs, file permissions will be completely messed up
[00:54] <habanany> hey brothers  all i need to know is what to write in (use as ) and (mount point), that's all
[00:54] <jbicha> ext4 and mount point /
[00:55] <bigmack83> habanany, yea linux needs to be installed on ext4
[00:55] <habanany> I'm tpoint what?
[00:55] <bigmack83> the mount point is just the forward slash: /
[00:55] <habanany> what do i write in point?
[00:56] <habanany> just /
[00:56] <bigmack83> yes
[00:56] <habanany> thank you guys
[00:57] <bigmack83> so has anyone had any issues installing the fglrx driver for the radeon hd 3200 in karmic. once i tried the refresh rate of my windows got worse and it still says the driver is inactive and cannot activate it
[00:57] <habanany> i need to enable swap space , how do i do it?
[00:58] <habanany> i think i had the space but i deleted
[00:59] <bigmack83> habanany, yes. create a swap space of at about 1 gig (1024 kb) alongside the ext4
[01:00] <habanany> bigmack83 how do i create a swap?
[01:00] <alankila> you can just make a large file with dd if you don't have a partition. There is no penalty to using swap-on-file, and some benefits.
[01:00] <bigmack83> if you have a lot of ram and harddrive space you can do 2 or 3 gigs but you shouldnt need that much. i use 1 gig and mine never gets used hardly with 4 GB ram
[01:00] <bigmack83> habanany, are you on the ubuntu install process?
[01:01] <habanany> yeah, karmic install
[01:01] <alankila> I have personally given up on disk-based swaps in favor of compcache, which is able to extend memory by about half but without all that annoying disk trashing
[01:01] <habanany> i deleted the swap by mistake
[01:01] <arand> alankila: penalty is not being able to hibernate, which is pretty major in some cases...
[01:01] <alankila> hmm, suppose that could be true.
[01:01] <bigmack83> ok on the one partition select to add a swap partition first, then use the rest of the space for the main OS with mount point /
[01:02] <alankila> I don't hibernate after too many bad experiences with linux hibernate.
[01:02] <bigmack83> alankila, i havent seen that.
[01:02] <bigmack83> yea whenever i hibernate i have no keyboard response afterwards
[01:03] <arand> Hmm, hibernate have been fine-o lately for me, but with the boot speeds now it gets less and less usefull (although sesion-saving is still the plus of it)
[01:04] <alankila> what put me off hibernate was this sequence of events: apt-get dist-upgrade. Kernel updates. Hibernate. Resume system. It loads the new kernel but data from the hibernate image is for the other kernel, usually same version but different patch level
[01:04] <alankila> the result was always severe disk corruption before it noticed and crashed for good
[01:05] <alankila> after it happened about 3 times I gave permanently up on hibernate. Insane crap, if you ask me.
[01:05] <_dan_> hello guys, with 9.10 i am not able to switch gdm themes via  gdmsetup anymore, which is very unfortunate sind i have to mouseclick on the new default theme, where is gdmt heme switching done in 9.10?
[01:05] <bigmack83> alankila, ouch
[01:05] <alankila> I sincerely hope that hibernate today is not so braindead stupid as the hibernate of yore.
[01:05] <arand> _dan_: gone missing, I'm afraid.
[01:06] <_dan_> arand seriously?
[01:07] <_dan_> i find it very annoying to be forced to click on my user from a list instead of just typing it in :/
[01:09] <jimpop> _dan_, it's a known bug in gdm and is being fixed
[01:09] <_dan_> jimpop oki thanks, i searched launchpad before i came here but didnt find anything
[01:09] <jbicha> you can still type your name in
[01:10] <nick125> Will they be restoring a non-face browser option?
[01:10] <jimpop> _dan_, there is a bug id, but i dont recall what it was.
[01:10] <jimpop> nick125, not that i know of (i do want it)
[01:10] <_dan_> jbicha i cant
[01:11] <jbicha> _dan_: I'm pretty sure you can just start typing and hit enter when you've typed enough letters
[01:12] <_dan_> jbicha tried it 5 minutes ago
[01:12] <arand> _dan_: http://pitris.info/ubuntu *might* help
[01:12] <_dan_> thanks
[01:13] <NoelJB> I don't so much mind the lack of theming, as I do the lack of a 24 hour clock.  Mind you, given that I rarely spend any time at that prompt ...
[01:15] <_dan_> does "gconftool -s --type bool /apps/update-notifier/auto_launch false " still work to get my systray update notification back= after karmic upgrade it was back to new annoying behaviour
[01:16] <arand> _dan_: should do yes
[01:17] <aprilhare> hello
[01:17] <_dan_> am i blind or is the report bug button gone from bugs.launchpad.net?
[01:17] <jbuncher> NoelJB, do you work on network-manager?
[01:18] <aprilhare> _dan_: just considering how to report some bugs so yeah interested: where is the report bug button? :)
[01:18] <NoelJB> jbuncher, from time to time as I have an itch to scratch.  right now my itching is in two areas.  the ubuntu related one is getting seriously annoyed with High I/O wait states when typing, e.g., in Firefox.
[01:19] <NoelJB> Currently running on 2.6.32-rc4 to see if it improves.  Typing here isn't bad, but FF is still a problem.
[01:19] <aprilhare> NoelJB: i have some itches to scratch too: firefox search bar doesn't work; hplip falling over on login; compiz not starting on login; etc etc
[01:19] <_dan_> aprilhare tell me if you find it please
[01:19] <jbuncher> NoelJB, ok.  Yeah, I remember you talking about all the grey showing up in your system-monitor applet the other day :).  I just thought I"d ask if you'd run into Bug #449888 in nm before, but if it's not your main focus that's cool.
[01:19] <Nattgew> _dan_: that page specifically, or project/package pages?
[01:19] <aprilhare> _dan_: a bit like the blind leading the blind but ok :)
[01:20] <_dan_> aprilhare heheh
[01:20] <NoelJB> aprilhare, compize not starting on login?
[01:20] <NoelJB> aprilhare, that works for me.  HP printing works, too.  I have one in the other room.
[01:20] <omgmog> How can I make the keychain automatically login on 9.10?
[01:20] <_dan_> Nattgew ah thanks got it
[01:20] <arand> Bug reporting from LP itself has been semi-removed in favor of "ubuntu-bug" I think
[01:21] <aprilhare> NoelJB: the printing starts but the hplip thing whinges on startup and quits
[01:21] <NoelJB> jbuncher, are you using the network manager ppa?  there are constant changes and fixes.  that would sounds familiar, and if it isn't fixed, you'll be wanting to run from the PPA to test anything that gets done to try.
[01:21] <billybigrigger> any rythmbox gurus, here? my first time using it, does it rescan your library on each startup or what?
[01:21] <_dan_> Nattgew i am not able to report a bug directly via web anymore? i have to click on the gnome menu?
[01:21] <billybigrigger> do i have i have to manually import new albums?
[01:21] <aprilhare> NoelJB: its strange i can't remember the whinge. i get it every day.
[01:21] <Nattgew> billybigrigger:yes... and it monitors it
[01:22] <NoelJB> aprilhare, so is that basically march++ hare?
[01:22] <jbuncher> NoelJB, I'm just running from the karmic repos.  Using the PPA for nm scares me a bit, as I like my network connectivity, and I have a habit of always installing updates when they come out, which might be hazardous on the ppa.
[01:22] <Nattgew> _dan_: if you go to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs it will tell you how they want you to report it (ubuntu-bug), and also how to do it the old way (towards the bottom)
[01:22] <aprilhare> NoelJB: quite right :)
[01:22] <NoelJB> aprilhare, as for search bars ... I would prefer them to be gone.
[01:22] <_dan_> Nattgew oki thank you
[01:23] <aprilhare> NoelJB: if it needs to be there, it needs to work
[01:23] <aprilhare> sick of pressing return and nothing happening
[01:23] <NoelJB> aprilhare, +1
[01:23] <aprilhare> or clicking on the search button and no searching occuring
[01:23] <arand> You can still report bugs manaually using web gui, it's somewhat hidden away though: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing%20bugs%20at%20Launchpad.net
[01:23] <aprilhare> danke arand
[01:23] <NoelJB> aprilhare, works for me, here.  I just tried it.
[01:24] <aprilhare> NoelJB: maybe i'm just lucky then
[01:24] <_dan_> arand very hidden
[01:24] <NoelJB> aprilhare, sometimes that feels the case, doesn't it?  :-\
[01:24] <_dan_> ah damn pulse audio keeps crackling up my speakers since 9.10
[01:24] <habanany> how many gib swap for a 2 gb ram ?
[01:25] <NoelJB> aprilhare, have you created a clean user profile, and seen if it happens there, too?
[01:25] <aprilhare> we are talking about the same firefox? i'm talking about 3.5.3
[01:25]  * aprilhare tries it in 3.0.x
[01:25] <Nattgew> habanany: maybe 1 GB? I think the rule is 50%...
[01:25] <aprilhare> nope broken in 3.0.x too
[01:25] <habanany> thanks nattgew
[01:26] <NoelJB> aprilhare, FF that I'm using?  Stock karmic.  I reverted from the PPA the other day to test something.  So, yes, 3.5.3.
[01:26] <aprilhare> hmmm
[01:26] <aprilhare> still a bug
[01:26] <aprilhare> grrr@bugs
[01:27] <aprilhare> it'd be nice if my webcam worked too. and it should too. microsoft vx-1000 is supported by 2.6.30+ kernel
[01:27] <NoelJB> actually, I was thinking of installing x-edgers and ff ppa to see if anything changed on this annoying bug.  ppa purge makes it relatively easy to revert from a PPA.
[01:27] <aprilhare> maybe there was a code reversion?
[01:27] <arand> In some way it might ensure that the apport information gets into the reports, but it really annoying if you either know that the apport info is completely irrelevant, or if you plan to attach it later on...
[01:27] <NoelJB> aprilhare, I use my webcam frequently.  Creative Labs Optia AF.  It just works.
[01:27] <nickrud> how can I determine what's being managed by upstart?
[01:27] <aprilhare> NoelJB: mine just doesn't work
[01:28] <arand> On another note, I'm actually plesantly surprised by gnome-shell, it is in fact not as horrible as it did seem at first...
[01:28] <aprilhare> NoelJB: it detects a usb camera, but i end up with a green screen with jittering pixels at the top of cheese
[01:29] <aprilhare> green window even
[01:29] <arand> And I can really see it as a great "stand-out" thing for ubu
[01:29] <NoelJB> aprilhare, have you bug reported it?  Tried it with anything else, e.g., Skype?
[01:29] <aprilhare> skype same
[01:29] <NoelJB> arand, you realize that gnome-shell means no compiz, right?
[01:29] <aprilhare> need to report more bugs - but what package?
[01:30] <aprilhare> bbl
[01:30] <NoelJB> aprilhare, oddly, I'm thinking libv4l-0
[01:30] <arand> NoelJB: indeed, but there are not a terrible amount of things I'll really miss... I mean compiz is a lot of pretty fluff after all...
[01:31] <_dan_> anyone else missing xchat tray icon in karmic?
[01:32] <NoelJB> aprilhare, but you could start by bugging it against cheese, and see where that goes.
[01:32] <arand> _dan_: and it's not been shoved into indicator-applet?
[01:33] <_dan_> arand i dont even know what that is
[01:33] <arand> _dan_: the letter icon
[01:34] <_dan_> no its not there
[01:34] <_dan_> just readded it to see
[01:34] <arand> _dan_: otherwise I guess they've just disabled it per default in their crusade to make the notification area useless...
[01:34] <_dan_> its enabled in xchat
[01:35] <_dan_> well i fill a bug report
[01:35] <_dan_> many reports to fill :/
[01:35] <arand> yea, uubntu-bug xchat
[01:35] <alankila> might be good idea to read changelogs first to see if they mention what has been done to it
[01:36] <_dan_> alankila well
[01:36] <arand> aptitude changelog xchat
[01:37] <_dan_> well xchat has the option "show tray icon"
[01:37] <_dan_> which does not do anything
[01:38] <_dan_> ah another question, when i press backspace on an empty xchat input box line, or terminal, my speakers start to crackle, guess it should be system bell or something like that, which is new since karmic for me, anyone any idea how to get id of that
[01:38] <arand> I just disable the whole sound theme...
[01:39] <_dan_> i have "no sounds" as sound theme
[01:39] <alankila> doesn't anyone else have problems with oprofile's programs like opreport and the wrong version of libbfd? Can it be that I'm the only one who experiences this, this has been broken for like a year
[01:39] <arand> Yea, and by the way, you can't customize sound themes in Karmic either, it was nicely removed...
[01:40] <_dan_> arand guess i have to report that aswell *sigh* pulseaudio keeps getting on my nerves ./
[01:41] <arand> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-media/+bug/324700
[01:41] <Fernandos> hi
[01:42] <arand> Fernandos: hello
[01:42] <Fernandos> I've got a problem with my 1h fresh install of karmic
[01:43] <Fernandos> When I try to watch some youtube 'n porn flash laggs extremely. Frame rates drop to 5fps... holy moly but with one window and only one tab open at all..
[01:43] <Fernandos> I suppose this is a problem with flash.. Is it?
[01:44] <alankila> 32-bit or 64-bit system? The 64-bit system runs with nspluginwrapper which seems to work poorly at least. I recommend installing the 64-bit alpha flash plugin if that is the case.
[01:44] <Fernandos> 32bit
[01:44] <Fernandos> Radeon 9800XT, P4 3.2GHz, Audigy 2 Platinum Ex
[01:44] <Fernandos> should be good enough for youtube 'n stuff
[01:44] <jbuncher> _dan_, I see the icon.  Are you using xchat or xchat-gnome?
[01:45] <_dan_> jbuncher good question, dont know, i have it in autostart since like 4 years
[01:45] <_dan_> jbuncher lemme look
[01:46] <_dan_> jbuncher xchat
[01:46] <_dan_> gnome xchat had some weird stuff
[01:46] <Fernandos> I'm on Ubuntu 9.10
[01:47] <jbuncher> _dan_, Settings-> Preferences -> Chatting -> Alerts -> "Enable system tray icon"
[01:48] <_dan_> jbuncher i got that enabled
[01:48] <jbuncher> _dan_, I got nothing then, it shows up for me and I just updated 20 min ago.
[01:49] <_dan_> jbuncher weird
[01:49] <_dan_> thanks for checking tho
[01:49] <aprilhare> why isn't the 64 bit alpha flash packaged?
[01:49] <jbuncher> no problem
[01:50] <_dan_> aprilhare i ask myself the same thing, works way better then nspluginwrapper+32bit
[01:52] <_dan_> hm sunjava-plugin wont work anymore ://
[01:52] <holloh> what are all these green check marks on all my karmic icons?
[01:52] <Fernandos> any idea?
[01:52] <Fernandos> bout that flash issue
[01:53] <arand> holloh: whereso?
[01:53] <holloh> just on folder and file icons
[01:54] <jdu> checkmarks or symbols?
[01:54] <holloh> i have dropbox installed, and its icons have green checkmarks
[01:54] <holloh> but i just did an update and everything now has little green check marks
[01:54] <holloh> green checks
[01:54] <holloh> at the top right corner of each icon
[01:55] <arand> aprilhare: partly because it's alpha, but mostly because packaging it would violate adobe's eula/license/whatever of that download
[01:56] <arand> aprilhare: or so I've heard at least...
[01:56]  * Dr_Willis would like to see such EULA's taken to court
[01:56] <arand> I think we all would...
[01:57] <Fernandos> no help regarding super laggy flash in karmic?
[01:57] <Dr_Willis> 'when your software company has more lawyers then programmers.....'
[01:57] <holloh> here's a screenshot of these green check marks, http://tinypic.com/r/voyb75/4  notice the different type of check on the dropbox folder
[01:57] <holloh> that different check is normal, but these other ones are new
[01:57] <Fernandos> lol looks funny doode
[01:58] <Fernandos> holloh: be happy it's checkmarks and not somethin else
[01:58] <holloh> haha
[02:03] <arand> Does this relly stop us from packaging flash 64bit alpha into universe??: "If the Software is a pre-release version, then, notwithstanding anything to the contrary included within an accompanying license agreement, you are not permitted to use or otherwise rely on the Software for any commercial or production purposes."
[02:03] <Dr_Willis> that looks like a basic 'you cant sue us.. this line says you cant' legaleese
[02:04] <Nattgew> and you can't use it to make money, shouldn't use it for "important" things...
[02:04] <Dr_Willis> gee couldent tat last part apply to ALL software agreements....  you are not
[02:04] <Dr_Willis>                        | permitted to use or otherwise rely on the Software for any commercial or production purposes.
[02:05] <Dr_Willis> Nice of them to say what i can or can NOT use somthing for.
[02:05] <arand> Because that's all that seem to refer specifically to pre-release stuff in their documents... I might be wrong though...
[02:05] <Dr_Willis> 'The car you just bought can not be used for transportation of imporntant items'   (Imagine a EULA when you buy a car)
[02:06] <Dr_Willis> is that why google calls everything 'beta'
[02:10] <arand> hmm, they don't seem to mention the legal stuff in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/326555
[02:10] <DanaG> You also may not use iTunes to make chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons.
[02:10] <DanaG> =þ
[02:11] <DanaG> Actually, I want my nspluginwrapper back!
[02:11] <DanaG> At least with nspluginwrapper, Flash crashes wouldn't take down Firefox!
[02:12] <Nattgew> I do think that having it as a separate process had some benefits...
[02:12] <arand> DanaG: yea, true, but flash was rather unusable with that setup, and on the alpha crashes are very few...
[02:12] <DanaG> But, the few crashes are proportionally far more annoying to me.  =þ
[02:13] <DanaG> It also means I can't just killall -9 npviewer.bin
[02:13] <DanaG> ... which was a nice way to nuke all Flash all at once.
[02:14] <NoelJB> Did something update today such that all of my desktop icons have a green checkmark in the upper right corner?
[02:15] <NoelJB> Oh ... some sort of UbuntuOne synchronized indicator.  Lovely.
[02:15] <Dr_Willis> Hmm... samba is not starting up automatically.. weird.
[02:16] <arand> I wonder if you could force wrapping of the 64bit plugin...
[02:20] <Nattgew> NoelJB: holloh was talking about that earlier...
[02:20] <NoelJB> Nattgew, is there a bug report?
[02:20] <Nattgew> not that I know of
[02:21] <Nattgew> I just saw what was said, I haven't experienced it myself (yet)
[02:25] <NoelJB> bug 450006
[02:26] <Dr_Willis> I dont have any checkmarks
[02:26] <Dr_Willis> ive not relogged.. let me check
[02:26] <NoelJB> I do.  EVERYWHERE.
[02:26] <NoelJB> I had to reboot, then they appeared.
[02:26] <TeLe> is anyone having trouble with Pigdin connecting?
[02:28] <Dr_Willis> No Checkmarks here
[02:28] <Nattgew> TeLe: not here... what protocol?
[02:28] <NoelJB> Dr_Willis, are you using Human theme?  If I change to another theme, it goes away.
[02:28] <Dr_Willis> Not sure what theme im using
[02:28] <TeLe> Nattgew, all, it doesnt connect to anything
[02:29] <TeLe> im trying to get support in #pidgin but no one is there atm
[02:29] <Nattgew> TeLe: I'm guessing it worked before?
[02:29] <TeLe> yes
[02:29] <TeLe> just updated karmic and now it doesnt connect to anything
[02:29] <kiwibg> The 9.10 installer just closes when it gets to "starting up partitioner" right after pressing "Install" at the last step... Has anyone seen this happen before?
[02:30] <Nattgew> TeLe: what accounts do you use?
[02:30] <TeLe> aim msn
[02:30] <TeLe> using v2.6.2 from karmic repo
[02:30] <Dr_Willis> Human theme - no checks..
[02:30] <Dr_Willis> wow - id frogotten how ugly the human theme is
[02:30] <Nattgew> TeLe: does it give you any hint as to why it's not connecting?
[02:31] <TeLe> no, just blank white and stays offline
[02:31] <kiwibg> I'm thinking maybe one way to get around this is to not use the graphical gui to install; but is that even possible?
[02:32] <Nattgew> TeLe: usually if you try to connect it will give you an error... have you tried running it in a terminal?
[02:33] <TeLe> chris@desktop:~$ pidgin
[02:33] <TeLe> Init plugin!!!
[02:33] <TeLe>     
[02:33] <NoelJB> Dr_Willis, which one are you using?  I switched to Clearlooks for the moment.
[02:33] <TeLe> then nothing
[02:33] <Nattgew> have you tried enabling and disabling accounts?
[02:35] <Dr_Willis> I like the aliason theme. and custome colors.. and  whatever widgit set actually puts the scrollbar with some SEEABLE colors.
[02:35] <Dr_Willis> :)
[02:35] <Dr_Willis> most other themes/setups just make it too hard to actually 'see' the stuff you need to see
[02:36]  * Dr_Willis is getting of 100 variants on some cutesy theme in  bland lo contrast colors.
[02:37] <NoelJB> Dr_Willis, clearlooks at least has a decent icon for a wired network.  I have no idea who came up with the default "seatbelt" icon in Karmic.
[02:38] <FFForever> any idea why after coming out of sleep mode i can no longer side scroll?
[02:38] <Dr_Willis> I make my own PORN icon set. :)
[02:38] <Dr_Willis> actually its anime.. not porn now a days...
[02:38]  * Dr_Willis had to make a bunch of Hello Kitty icons for the wife.
[02:39] <NoelJB> Dr_Willis, LOL sometimes not too much of a difference ;-)
[02:39] <FFForever> Dr_Willis, wow...
[02:39] <Dr_Willis> Playng with the gimp all day.. making custome folder icons  - take a basic folder.. overlay some logo/image/whatever.. poof instant 'Hello Kitty Videos'  Folder. :)
[02:40] <Dr_Willis> and one with Bart and Homer.. and one with a Pirate flag.. and One with ....
[02:42] <Dr_Willis> I put a Homer Simpson on the Ubuntu Logo on the startup screens. :)
[02:42] <Dr_Willis> ubDOHtu
[02:45] <TeLe> Nattgew, seems there was a problem with something in the .purple folder
[02:46] <Nattgew> glad you figured it out
[02:46] <kiwibg> Is it possible to install ubuntu without ubiquity?
[02:47] <Dr_Willis> kiwibg:  Hmm..  debootstrap perhaps.
[02:47] <rob0> ubiquity is ubiquitous
[02:47] <Dr_Willis> or unetbootin to a live/partition.
[02:47] <kiwibg> I think I've found a bug in it, but I don't really have the know-how to make a helpful bug report
[02:47] <LordMetroid> I installedI installed the ATI proprietary drivers for the Radeon HD4850(RV770) I have and now the video mode is totally whack, how do I remedy this?
[02:48] <LordMetroid> I can not enter the desktop environment and there is no fallback as grub just jumpstarts the system now
[02:48] <kiwibg> All I really want is to install 9.10 so I can play with it for a day and get on with my life :(
[02:49] <arand> Alternate install CD has no ubiquity...
[02:49] <arand> right?
[02:49] <arand> kiwibg: what's the issue by the way?
[02:50] <kiwibg> arand: After I press "Install", a progress bar comes up with "Starting up partitioner" for about 2 seconds, then the installer closes and nothing happens
[02:50] <kiwibg> no error messages, log files stop short...
[02:51] <kiwibg> no changes to any of my disks...
[02:51] <LordMetroid> No one else had have problems with the ATI proprietary drivers?
[02:51] <jimpop> kiwibg, that's an old debian issue with the partitioner not being able to identify/detect the drvie
[02:51] <jimpop> s/drvie/drive
[02:52] <jimpop> i don't recall the options, but there are some kernel boot options that can be used to help identify the drive hardware
[02:53] <kiwibg> are there any telltale signs that that may be the problem? Cause it's a plain old 120 gig WD caviar IDE drive...
[02:53] <arand> kiwibg: ah, hm?: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/441709
[02:55] <kiwibg> arand: yeah, looks like it... but doesn't a crash usually involve an error message of some sort?
[02:56] <Dr_Willis> The error message dialog crashed also. :)
[02:57] <Wildbat> question, anyone know if grub2 have a command that is 'fallback' equivalent ?
[02:57] <Dr_Willis> I would say check the grub docs at the grub homepage.. I dont recall seeing such a thing.. but that may mean i just overlooked it wheni read the docs yesterday
[02:59] <Wildbat> Dr_Willis, ya the isn't much documentation up on grub2 yet :<
[02:59] <Dr_Willis> I saw some the other day. But  i only skimmed it.
[02:59] <arand> Yea, those ubuntuone icons are pretty annoying, especially since I don't even use U1 ..
[02:59] <Dr_Willis> Thees grub2 config docs.. THEN theres 'how ubuntu configures grub2' docs..
[03:02] <zaadjis> hi. need help with karmic beta: after boot goes to promt and starts to flicker (can't login - keyboard semi-responsive).
[03:02] <LordMetroid> Can I start Karmic Fallback?
[03:03] <Dr_Willis> The Grub menus should have a recover/yrescue mode
[03:03] <Dr_Willis> option
[03:03] <zaadjis> recovery mode does work, dunno what to do next..
[03:03] <LordMetroid> Grub simply instantly boots
[03:04] <Dr_Willis> # /boot/grub/grub.cfg.
[03:04] <Dr_Willis> #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[03:04] <Dr_Willis> that willmake it always show the menu
[03:04] <Dr_Willis> or theres some key to hit.. esc/shift?
[03:04] <Dr_Willis> to make it show
[03:05] <arand> Shift afaik
[03:05]  * LordMetroid frenetically smashes his shift and escape keys over and over agains
[03:06] <zaadjis> yes, recovery mode works, i just need advice on what to do next, e.g. install this, look at that log..
[03:06] <LordMetroid> Ahh here we go
[03:06] <kiwibg> well... maybe I didn't set up the partitions right; I'm just telling the installer to create a 30GB ext3 primary partition (format + mount /) in my 100% unallocated 120gig disk, along with a 2 gig swap partition... That's what I'm supposed to do right?
[03:07] <arand> kiwibg: I think it's a hardware bug rather, from reading that bug report...
[03:09] <wirechief_> i have karmic daily updated todays date, how can i use the cdrom to update my install ?
[03:09] <wirechief_> ive tried apt-cdrom -d /media/cdrom  but it wants another argument
[03:10] <Nattgew> wirechief_: if it's updated, why do you need the cdrom?
[03:10] <arand> wirechief_: add add?
[03:11] <wirechief_> Nattgew the install is not updated only the cd i just burnt
[03:11] <arand> Usage: apt-cdrom [options] command
[03:11] <wirechief_> i have the .iso updated and burnt to a cd
[03:11] <wirechief_> i tried apt-cdrom -d /media/cdrom but it needs another argument
[03:12] <Nattgew> apt-cdrom -d /media/cdrom add?
[03:12] <wirechief_> ok ill try that
[03:12] <arand> Commands: add - Add a CDROM; ident - Report the identity of a CDROM
[03:13] <wirechief_> E: Unable to locate any package files, perhaps this is not a Debian Disc
[03:13] <wirechief_> almost
[03:13] <wirechief_> it started but errored out.
[03:14] <omgmog> Okay this is almost perfect, but the sidebar of ube-launcher seems to be getting cut off, any ideas? http://localhostr.com/files/218492/Screenshot.png
[03:14] <wirechief_> geeze i did this once before but all i did was insert the cd and it took right off
[03:15] <ugliefrog> anyone having random sound issues?
[03:15] <wirechief_> i didnt want to have to redownload , the update is huge..
[03:16] <Nattgew> wirechief_: what did you use to make it?
[03:16] <test34> my firefox sometimes becomes dark gray and becomes unusable (like it is being disabled because a windows pops up, but there isnt anything that popped up)
[03:16] <wirechief_> Nattgew i just burnt it like any other .iso image
[03:16] <omgmog> ugliefrog - people have been having problems with alsa since the updates today I believe
[03:17] <wirechief_> Nattgew i should probably see if i can boot it up and go from there.
[03:17] <ugliefrog> omgmog, ok thnx driving me nuts...thought it was me :)
[03:17] <omgmog> the problems include crackling and in some cases no audio at all
[03:17] <wirechief_> Nattgew i used a dvd rw and that might be mucking it up
[03:18] <omgmog> wirechief_: which software did you use when burning the iso to dvd?
[03:18] <omgmog> In nero you can burn CD iso's as DVD just fine
[03:22] <wirechief_> umbiguity terminated with status 1  omgmog i used Imgburn under wine
[03:23] <wirechief_> well it booted ok, so the media is probably ok.
[03:24] <wirechief_> oh well i was hoping i could update my install without doing another download, I cant even start a download till 2am because of
[03:24] <wirechief_> FAP
[03:25] <jbuncher> anyone in here having issues with wpa enterprise passwords not being remembered in karmic?  Bug #449888
[03:27] <mbrigdan> Is there a reason that upgrading to karmic wants to install apache?
[03:28] <maxb> Not particularly. Dependency chains do weird things sometimes
[03:28] <mbrigdan> ah
[03:29] <mbrigdan> That will be fixed by release time right?
[03:29] <martinb> np
[03:29] <martinb> no
[03:29] <mbrigdan> Because apache seems to be haunting me
[03:29] <martinb> it depends on what packages you have installed
[03:29] <mbrigdan> hmm
[03:29] <martinb> If you installed python, certain python packages have moved  from "reccomends" to "requires"
[03:29] <martinb> (for apache)
[03:30] <mbrigdan> k
[03:30] <mbrigdan> It also wants to get rid of gnome-games
[03:30] <mbrigdan> :/
[03:30] <TeLe> thats cuz gnome-games is getting updated
[03:30] <mbrigdan> ok, cool
[03:30] <mbrigdan> anyway I can see what is trying to get me to install apache?
[03:31] <TeLe> what are you updating from?
[03:31] <mbrigdan> Jaunty
[03:31] <TeLe> clean install would be best
[03:31] <arand> "aptitude why apache" maybe?
[03:31] <mbrigdan> aww :(
[03:32] <maxb> I disagree with recommending clean installs. I quite happily upgrade hop-by-hop for years at a time
[03:32] <mbrigdan> Thats what I do. I have too much stuff to retrieve from backup and reinstall
[03:33] <wirechief_> omgmog well it acts like it wants to read the cdrom and use the files but it always ends up complaining, im not sure that is a bug with the way it use to work
[03:33] <maxb> heh, I keep my data on a separate partition to the OS install - if I need to , I can reinstall the OS without affecting my data
[03:33] <mbrigdan> aptitude why apache informs me that it is suggested by a package that suggests a package that suggests a package. XD
[03:34] <wirechief_> maxb thats a good idea
[03:34] <omgmog> which speed did you burn at wirechief_? with rw media it's best to burn as low speed as possible
[03:34] <mbrigdan> maxb: I want to do that, but I'm guessing it would be hard to do it to a system thats already installed
[03:34] <maxb> The other thing that lets you do is have two OS installs - one to run Karmic on, and one to have a Jaunty install to fall back to if the world explodes :-)
[03:34] <wirechief_> omgmog yes i agree, i could check the sha256sum
[03:35] <wirechief_> see if it compares with the latest daily's
[03:35] <wirechief_> but it did boot ok
[03:35] <omgmog> I installed my karmic with a CD iso burned on a DVD+R, and it booted/worked fine
[03:35] <wirechief_> it looks for other data to see if its a ubuntu disk and its not happy.
[03:35] <mbrigdan> maxb: Anywhere I could find a guide to doing that?
[03:36] <HoopyCat> i've thought about doing the hard distro/data split, but i end up with too much custom futzing in /etc and whatnot.  i've been getting better over the past few years, at least, and have started using etckeeper to keep a closer eye on it...
[03:36] <wirechief_> well i used a usb stick on this install but decided to try the re-writeable for the updated .iso
[03:36] <wirechief_> im using it in virtualbox, that could have something to do with it.
[03:37] <omgmog> That is quite possible, could you not just mount the .iso for virtualbox instead?
[03:37] <maxb> mbrigdan: No idea. I didn't use a guide. :-)
[03:37] <wirechief_> i dontknow though since it booted up in vbox ok
[03:37] <jimpop> is there anyway to get firefox3.1 installed instead of 3.5.   v3.5 just seems to be much slower
[03:37] <arand> I've used dvd-rw for my install for a long while, never had a problem iirc
[03:37] <wirechief_> omgmog yes, i am thinking of just installing over the install, there is nothing of importance on it.
[03:38] <wirechief_> just trying to do simple things first.
[03:38] <wirechief_> but this changed from simple to stupid fast.
[03:38] <omgmog> It's always the way heh
[03:39] <wirechief_> also to throw more questions into it, i used zsync to update the beta, so i really dont know what this is going to pan out to.
[03:41] <wirechief_> it will be interesting to see the result of sudo sha256sum /dev/cdrom
[03:44] <KnifeySpooney> How do I get rid of the annoying checkmark emblems next to my folders created by UbuntuOne?
[03:52] <CarlFK> juser@dhcp227:~$ grep "WARNING: GdmDisplay"  /var/log/syslog |wc
[03:52] <CarlFK>    6468   71148  618228
[03:53] <oldude67> well a little late tonight with the updates, been working on the house. any major problems with the ones from today?
[03:54] <CarlFK> it is a side effect of my nv card not being supported by (II) NVIDIA GLX Module  185.18.36  Fri Aug 14 18:27:24 PDT 2009
[03:54] <wirechief_> well no errors on the media test omgmog..i tried the other check but it was taking forever to finish, the media test should be ok and indicate the data is fine.
[03:54] <Zeikfried> What would i recieve better performance from EXA or XAA?
[03:55]  * wirechief_ shakes head and pulls the media out...
[03:55] <MindSpark> hi, I've been having this random freeze since jaunty and it's still there with karmic
[03:56] <wirechief_> oldude67 no, just same old bugs, they are there, waiting to be found.
[03:56] <MindSpark> X completely freezes with just the cursor moving. I have an intel video card
[03:57] <oldude67> wirechief_, well i didnt see anything major like a kernel update so i didnt think so
[03:57] <wirechief_> best file a bug report with all the info.
[03:57] <Zeikfried> You need to enable UXA and disable compositing to get an Intel to work correctly.
[03:57] <MindSpark> with the 2.6.28 kernel I could load the vesa driver and everything would work very smooth. Now with the 2.6.30 kernel, chosing the vesa driver hangs my system before even loading X
[03:57] <gorgonzola> hello. anyone has any idea why my vt's died after the last kernel update?
[03:57] <Zeikfried> Otherwise you will be better off in 8.10 like i am.
[03:57] <oldude67> MindSpark, running intel graphics right now and the video seems quite well.
[03:57] <sparr_w> upgrading to karmic on powerpc i get a lot of places where tar complains about implausibly old timestamps from 1903.  also had a problem where it said my hard drive last-fscked-date was in the future, after the machine hadnt been booted in a few months.  thoughts?
[03:58] <gorgonzola> a little more detail: fglrx dkms autoinstallation failed to run after tonights kernel update, and after forcing it manually, my vt's are still corrupt... any help with debug apreciated :)
[03:58] <MindSpark> oldude67, not on my laptop :S
[03:58] <wirechief_> sparr_w: there were similar reports like that, i think they set the date time ahead to fake it out.
[03:59] <wirechief_> not sure for how long though.
[03:59] <oldude67> sparr_w, go into bios and set time ahead and it should work..thats what i did and a few others to bypass it then update
[04:00] <sparr_w> oldude67: you obviously missed the "powerpc" part of my statement
[04:00] <wirechief_> oldude67 after it updated did you reset the date/time ?
[04:00] <sparr_w> wirechief_: were 'they' on x86?
[04:01] <oldude67> wirechief_, no it connected to time server and changed it back to normal time and date and yes normal x86 machine that i know of.
[04:01] <wirechief_> i dont know maybe oldude67 can tell you, i just know there were issues with date/time and fsck getting confused
[04:01] <sparr_w> the fsck thing is moot, i just let it check
[04:02] <oldude67> sparr_w, not to sure what you mean by powerpc...???
[04:02] <wirechief_> i think thats a apple product
[04:02] <oldude67> ah
[04:02] <oldude67> ok, not sure what they did, never owned a fruit before.
[04:02] <wirechief_> hehe
[04:03] <wirechief_> well my son has one and loves it.
[04:03] <sparr_w> oldude67: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC
[04:03] <oldude67> i hear a lot of good things about them.
[04:03] <wirechief_> but seems that they are able to run ubuntu on them.
[04:03] <oldude67> i have a friend that runs debian on his and loves it as well.
[04:04] <sparr_w> i love macs.  they are pretty and run linux well :)
[04:04] <wirechief_> but i have a lenovo and karmic doesnt like it for some reason, it has had issues with installing, im hopeing the updates will fix them.
[04:04] <wirechief_> \
[04:04] <oldude67> well as far as im concerned, if it wont run linux i wont own it.
[04:05] <oldude67> my old 2.4 gig celeron just keeps plugging away..lmao
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[04:05] <wirechief_> ]]
[04:05] <wirechief_> dam
[04:06] <oldude67> wirechief_, has happy fingers..lmao
[04:06] <wirechief_> bbl gotta put my cat to sleep
[04:06] <wirechief_> she likes my keyboard.
[04:08] <oldude67> sparr_w, anyway if you can get past the fsck check and into a desktop if you update the mac it should fix your issues about the b.s. problems your having now. atleast it did for most of us.
[04:08] <sparr_w> nm
[04:08] <sparr_w> i interrupted a dist-upgrade
[04:08] <sparr_w> and now cant boot
[04:08] <sparr_w> filesystems wont mount, and i cant remember the root password
[04:08] <sparr_w> needed a reinstall anyway, thanks
[04:08] <oldude67> sparr_w, can you get to the grub menu?
[04:08] <sparr_w> no grub
[04:09] <oldude67> well sorry
[04:09] <MindSpark> ok, maybe I should ask this differently, does anyone know what this means ? :
[04:09] <MindSpark> [   54.326344] [drm] DAC-6: set mode 640x480 0
[04:09] <MindSpark> [   54.825937] [drm] DAC-6: set mode 640x480 0
[04:09] <MindSpark> [   55.263489] i2c-adapter i2c-1: unable to read EDID block.
[04:09] <oldude67> MindSpark, what intel video card are you using?
[04:09] <sparr_w> MindSpark: EDID is how a monitor tells a video card what its capabilities are
[04:09] <sparr_w> i think
[04:09] <MindSpark> oldude67, Intel Corporation 82852/855GM
[04:10] <MindSpark> sparr_w, ok, so do you think this could be related to my crash ?
[04:10] <oldude67> that is the same card as im using and i went with the i915 settings and it been great.
[04:10] <sparr_w> MindSpark: almost certainly not
[04:10] <sp_> dances the happy dance 'cause he's connecting through znc finally
[04:11] <MindSpark> oldude67, I am using an old asus laptop, and I am not sure how to even debug this, the system is totally unusable when this occurs. Nothing under messages and nothing under dmesg
[04:11] <oldude67> what kernel are you using?
[04:12] <sp_> ...now if only I knew hth to configure znc to properly authenticate to AuthServ services.
[04:12] <MindSpark> oldude67, 2.6.30-10
[04:12] <MindSpark> but I've tried them all from 2.6.30-6 to 2.6.30-13
[04:12] <MindSpark> and like I said, I had no problem with 2.6.28 and the vesa driver
[04:13] <oldude67> MindSpark, there were lots of issues with that kernel and the intel drivers, they didnt get it fixed till the 2.6.31-4 kernel.
[04:13] <MindSpark> but for some reason vesa does not play well with 2.6.30-*, at least on my laptop
[04:14] <MindSpark> oldude67, yes, I've been following the bugfixes and I've been doing an update every couple of hours hoping it will fix my issue
[04:14] <MindSpark> It's very frustrating having to restart every couple of minutes when you're in the middle of coding
[04:14] <oldude67> MindSpark, i got tired of messing with it myself and just downloaded the karmic todate of with the 2.6.31-6 kernel and just started over it made me so mad..lol
[04:15] <MindSpark> oldude67, you installed it from scratch ?
[04:15] <MindSpark> will this make a difference from updating ?
[04:15] <MindSpark> doing a dist-upgrade I mean ?
[04:15] <oldude67> but there is others that figured it out. even told me to put i915,modeset=0 in my grub boot which helped for a while.
[04:16] <TheRealmezquital> I'm doing the updates right now, anything I should watch out for?  I heard people were having problems booting after they downloaded the updates
[04:16] <MindSpark> oldude67, I also have this in dmesg
[04:16] <MindSpark> [   20.273075] [drm:i915_handle_error] *ERROR* EIR stuck: 0x00000010, masking
[04:16] <MindSpark> [   20.273090] render error detected, EIR: 0x00000010
[04:16] <oldude67> ya its looking for that intel driver and you dont have it in your grub.
[04:16] <oldude67> for it to use.
[04:17] <MindSpark> oldude67, do grub takes an option "i915" ?
[04:17] <CarlFK> oh wow, this isn't stopping  Oct 12 21:52:11 dhcp227 gdm-binary[6958]: WARNING: GdmDisplay: display lasted 0.088082 seconds
[04:17] <MindSpark> s/do/so
[04:17] <oldude67> it did with that kernel.
[04:17] <JazzplayerL9> Yeah anyone got a fix for the "not booting" issue?  A buddy of mine can't get his mind around it
[04:17] <CarlFK> syslog has  18984 of them
[04:17] <MindSpark> oldude67, so it won't make a difference with the kernel I am using ?
[04:17] <MindSpark> how about modeset=0 ?
[04:17] <MindSpark> I tried nomodeset
[04:17] <MindSpark> but this doesn't help
[04:18] <oldude67> MindSpark, do i915,modeset=0 and it should work
[04:19] <oldude67> rebooting be back later.
[04:24] <MindSpark> oldude gone ?
[04:26] <MindSpark> how do I add grub options ?
[04:28] <TheRealmezquital> MindSpark, edit "/etc/grub.d/40_custom" and place any changes in there
[04:29] <MindSpark> TheRealmezquital, would it be ok to place them in /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[04:29] <TheRealmezquital> MindSpark, do you have the new grub or the old one?
[04:29] <MindSpark> TheRealmezquital, I don't know, how do I find out ?
[04:30] <TheRealmezquital> MindSpark, do a cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg and tell me what you see
[04:30] <MindSpark> TheRealmezquital, grub (GNU GRUB 0.97)
[04:30] <TheRealmezquital> MindSpark, just tell me if you see anything
[04:30] <neoTheCat> hello. i update to 9.10 on my desktop, no problems.  on my laptop, firefox complains SQLite is to old, but it is at the latest version
[04:31] <MindSpark> TheRealmezquital, there's no grub.conf in there only a grubenv
[04:32] <TheRealmezquital> MindSpark, then you probably have the old grub, sorry I dont know how the old grub works with karmic, I'm using the new grub
[04:32] <MindSpark> TheRealmezquital, so they downgraded grub for karmic ?
[04:33] <TheRealmezquital> MindSpark, no, they have the new grub which is supposed to be optional, im using alpha 6 for ubuntu studio and grub update is mandatory, you can only install ubuntustudio alpha 6 with the new grub
[04:35] <TheRealmezquital> 0.97 is actually the old grub, it's not even supported in #grub channel
[04:35] <MindSpark> TheRealmezquital, so if I do an upgrade every couple of hours, doesn't this mean I should be at the latest version
[04:35] <maxb> grub 2 *is* optional for upgrades
[04:35] <maxb> fresh installs, however, are a different matter
[04:36] <TheRealmezquital> MindSpark, it should list grub as an option, i saw grub2 as an option even after I had dual boot jaumth with karmic working
[04:38] <MindSpark> TheRealmezquital, ok, I am not sure what the whole grub option thing is. Olddude told me I should add something like i915 modeset=0, but I have no clue where to add that
[04:38] <bullgard4> What is the main reason to introduce grub2?
[04:38] <MindSpark> and I don't know what this means
[04:38] <MindSpark> bullgard4, do you mean why I am asking about it ?
[04:38] <bullgard4> MindSpark: No.
[04:39] <TheRealmezquital> bullgard4, that is a question you can take to #grub, I dont believe ubuntu are the ones responsible for grub
[04:39] <bullgard4> TheRealmezquital: Ubuntu has included grub2 in its repositories. No one else is responsible for this inclusion.
[04:40] <TheRealmezquital> MindSpark, on the legacy grub usually "menu.lst" is where you put the options
[04:41] <TheRealmezquital> bullgard4, I was wondering why it was mandatory to upgrade your grub even if it was a new install, that one broke my dual boot lovely for a bit but since then someone helped me solve the issue but was just curious why the change to grub2
[04:43] <bullgard4> TheRealmezquital: Right.
[04:44] <voidmage> Can someone take a look at some mono trouble I'm having in karmic?
[04:44] <voidmage> http://pastebin.com/m6fb8389d
[04:45] <MindSpark> TheRealmezquital, ok, so do you think "i915" and mode "modeset=0" should be on the same line or each on a separate ?
[04:45] <akio> I am having a really hard time with xrandr
[04:45] <webbb82> i was in here yesterday i wanted to change when my computer wakes up  to uncheck the ask for password box it was some folder or file that had all the options that you just click or uncheck a box
[04:46] <webbb82> i am trying to get bac k to the config file
[04:48] <TheRealmezquital> MindSpark, you have to append that line to the line "linux ..." when you bootup your machine :  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/431812
[04:48] <choman2> hello all
[04:49] <TheRealmezquital> MindSpark, the bot tells me that bug is fixed so if you can only get your machine to connect to the net and upgrade the software it should be fixed
[04:50] <TheRealmezquital> !ask | choman2
[04:50] <MindSpark> TheRealmezquital, I've been doing upgrades every 5 hours since I installed jaunty several months ago
[04:50] <MindSpark> and this issue hasn't been solved
[04:50] <TheRealmezquital> MindSpark, ok well you can try adding the lined you talked about in the line where you see "linux.." when you first boot up
[04:51] <choman2> Dell 600 jaunty installs fine, karmic beta x server freezes.  ATI radeon 9000.  Anyone know if this is being looked at?
[04:52] <MindSpark> TheRealmezquital, I get a UI, do I switch to commandline grub or what exactly do I do ?
[04:54] <TheRealmezquital> MindSpark, youre supposed to boot up and when it reboots and you see a menu asking you what version to choose you should be able to type "e"  so you can edit a line that starts with "linux.."
[04:55] <TheRealmezquital> MindSpark, read the bottom of this thread: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/431812
[04:55] <MindSpark> TheRealmezquital, ah, alright, is there a way I can make that default from the menu.lst file ?
[04:56] <TheRealmezquital> MindSpark, I really dont have any experience with karmic and the legacy grub, i suggest you try what it is suggested on that thread
[04:56] <MindSpark> TheRealmezquital, alright, thanks
[04:58] <TheRealmezquital> MindSpark, and if you aren't able to fix it I suggest you come back tomorrow, maybe someone who knows more of the issue can help you, it looks like its been solved though so you just have to try coming back until someone that knows how to fix it can help you
[04:59] <MindSpark> TheRealmezquital, ok, sounds good, I am going to reboot and give those options a try, thanks again for everything
[05:03] <webbb82> ok i want to disable ask for password upon waking up the computer what config file do i do this in i went there yesterday and it had all the config options for apps desktop/ everything what is this file
[05:07] <voidmage> Is there any way to revert to mono 2.2 or 2.0 in karmic? 2.4 is broken on some apps i use
[05:10] <ripps> webbb82: have tried using gconf-editor?
[05:10] <webbb82> i think that is it how do i run it..  does it have a list on the left and you click a folder then on the  right check the box?
[05:11] <choman2> have a dell D600, the x server freezes.  anyone?
[05:11] <choman2> this is with beta
[05:11] <webbb82> ripps, thanks alot
[05:17] <oldude67> ok, did a reboot, and no big issues here. everything came back up no problem. but im not running this in a virtualbox either.
[05:23] <choman2> anyone experience the x server freezing a lot?
[05:27] <ubox> anyone have any luck with kpackagekit working properly now?
[05:27] <ubox> or maybe the fault is with policy kit
[05:34] <oldude67> ubox, hold on ill check and see if mine is working ok..just rebooted so will see.
[05:34] <ubox> ok
[05:38] <oldude67> ubox, dont know yet as its not wanting to get settings right..might be fubarred
[05:39] <ubox> yea mine just does not authenticate. even if i am root. so it fails any install/upgrade
[05:39] <ubox> apt-get works fine though so i'm not totally eff'd
[05:40] <oldude67> well i had it set for opera, and i know it wont get those updates as it is not open source.
[05:40] <oldude67> so i took it out and trying again and see if that makes a difference.
[05:41] <oldude67> ya most of the time i do aptitude update...so im like you ...
[05:41] <Zeikfried> My icons seem to be corrupted on my taskbar, could someone tell me what might be happening? http://imagebin.ca/view/8c8U8dZQ.html
[05:42] <ubox> ya i would just like to be able to use the cool little popup that say's i have updates etc
[05:43] <ubox> zeikfried that is a bit strange it looks like maybe part of the theme is broken
[05:43] <ubox> because if it were just the icons it should still show the panel in behind
[05:43] <ubox> i would assume anyway
[05:44] <Zeikfried> I have tried a different theme.
[05:44] <Zeikfried> What i did was this. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1021703
[05:45] <ubox> how about resume from suspend to ram? anyone have that working properly? mine still just resumes to black
[05:45] <oldude67> ubox, i havent had it telling me i had updates in a long time. i thought it was borked and they hadnt fixed it yet.so i just do manual updates anyways.
[05:45] <Zeikfried> I know it is an old distro, but everyone has messed with the betas, so i am sure i can catch a break somwhere if i just ask.
[05:45] <Zeikfried> And yes i am running 8.10 due to having an intel 950GMA.
[05:46] <ubox> ooo, you should try just #ubuntu then
[05:46] <Zeikfried> I did 9.04 and 9.10 and had my desktop completely vanish on me.
[05:46] <oldude67> Zeikfried, you would probably get more support in just ubuntu
[05:47] <ubox> i tried going from 8.10 to 9.04 and it screwed everything
[05:47] <oldude67> Zeikfried, this is for karmic in here.
[05:47] <Zeikfried> Ok.
[05:47] <ubox> then i got a new laptop and put on karmic
[05:47] <ubox> works great minus suspend and the policu kit issue
[05:47] <Zeikfried> I'll stick to the other room.
[05:47] <Zeikfried> Thanks guys.
[05:47] <oldude67> yw
[05:47] <ubox> np, good luck
[05:48] <NoelJB> ubox, works for me.
[05:48] <ubox> really?
[05:48] <NoelJB> yes
[05:48] <ubox> which one?
[05:48] <NoelJB> Thinkpad T61p.  Suspend/resume works fine.
[05:48] <jdsbluedevl> hi, does anyone in here have a problem opening Handbrake?
[05:49] <NoelJB> jdsbluedevl, oh, I hope not!  I have it, but haven't tried in a while.  what problem?
[05:49] <ubox> lucky noeljb
[05:49] <jdsbluedevl> NoelJB: won't open
[05:49] <NoelJB> ubox, well, I have my share of open bugs on karmic.
[05:49] <NoelJB> jdsbluedevl, no message at all?  try running from a terminal window.
[05:50] <jdsbluedevl> "Unable to create ghb. Internal error. Could not parse UI description."
[05:50] <ubox> i have an hp dv6404ca and it suspends but resumes black. the wifi etc do come back alive though
[05:50] <NoelJB> jdsbluedevl, http://osdir.com/ml/debian-bugs-closed/2009-09/msg00769.html
[05:52] <NoelJB> jdsbluedevl, more succinctly http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=545028
[05:53] <jdsbluedevl> NoelJB: that doesn't tell me anything
[05:54] <NoelJB> basically, it is broken.  someone will have to fix it.  contact upstream.
[05:54] <NoelJB> upstream, in this case: http://handbrake.fr/
[05:55] <jdsbluedevl> ok
[05:56] <leaf-sheep> NoelJB: Late late report.  The wifi worked fine after updating everything since the original ISO release. (from chris2kn5)
[05:56] <NoelJB> :-)
[06:03] <ubox> has anyone had trouble connecting to some wifi networks but not others?
[06:04] <ubox> i can use my network at home but i was at family's earlier and could not connect for the life of me. i even turned of the wep they have and still no go. my htc dream could connect though
[06:08] <NoelJB> ubox, I had an incident with Jaunty of that nature, but neither Intrepid nor Karmic.
[06:09] <ubox> hmm, it is strange. it could find the network but just not connect
[06:11] <NoelJB> ubox, grab current code from the network manager PPA, test again, open report with logs if it fails.
[06:11] <ubox> i will, how do i do that?
[06:12] <NoelJB> how do you do what?
[06:13] <ubox> get the source? like where is the url for the ppa?
[06:13] <NoelJB> https://launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive/trunk
[06:15] <ubox> thanks :)
[06:17] <oldude67> ubox, i just installed gnomes update-manager and it seems to be working fine, just not kde's
[06:18] <ubox> oh good idea :) i'll use that for now
[06:18] <oldude67> so must be just a glitch.
[06:18] <oldude67> just thought you might like to know.
[06:19] <ubox> i think there is probably a bug report, hopefuly they will fix it
[06:19] <ubox> thanks for letting me know
[06:19] <oldude67> i hope so, cause i just as soon use kde's then gnomes.
[06:19] <oldude67> yw
[06:19] <NoelJB> Amaranth, you 'round?
[06:20] <ubox> same here
[06:31] <Zeikfried> Sorry to bother you guys again, i found my problem. Option      "MigrationHeuristic" "greedy"
[06:31] <Zeikfried> Deleted that from my xorg and fixxed the whole thing.
[06:36] <alteregoa> is someone still awake?
[06:36] <alteregoa> i have to install ubuntu 9.10 without a CDROM drive, i got a external drive with a installed ubuntu
[06:37] <alteregoa> now someone helps me please to get it on the computer
[06:50] <spawnman> hey my wifi disappeared after an update im on 9.10 i tried reloading the drivers and that did nothing, lspci shows the wifi adapter but iwconfig doesnt show that its there
[06:51] <oldude67> spawnman, is the network manager on your task bar?
[06:51] <spawnman> yes
[06:51] <oldude67> is it set to use wifi?
[06:52] <spawnman> oldude67: what do you mean?
[06:52] <oldude67> if you right click on it does it say anything about wifi?
[06:53] <spawnman> no
[06:53] <oldude67> well on mine which is the one for kde you can right click on it and tell it to use wifi..
[06:53] <oldude67> what type of card is it?
[06:54] <DKcross> hello people
[06:54] <oldude67> !hi
[06:55] <oldude67> :D
[06:55] <DKcross> some know about  WUSB54GSC v2?
[06:55] <DKcross> oldude67,  o7
[06:55] <spawnman> it used to have wifi information there but after the updates for today (i think it was the new headers) the wifi stuff disappered
[06:56] <oldude67> and you say it shows up on lspci?
[06:56] <spawnman> yea
[06:56] <oldude67> does it say anything in dmesg about it?
[06:59] <spawnman> im not sure i cant find it
[06:59] <NoelJB> spawnman, broadcomm?
[07:00] <spawnman> ath9k
[07:02] <oldude67> well , im not much help on wifi as i never had to mess with it.maybe someone else can help you more..but its late and i have had a long and rough day..gnight all.
[07:03] <NoelJB> spawnman, fwiw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/414560
[07:03] <NoelJB> if the kernel/drivers don't make it available, and announce it via udev, nothing for network manager to deal with.
[07:06] <alankila> unfortunately, I have the same issue with my ath9k
[07:06] <alankila> I've noticed that running a ping in the background helps for some reason in avoiding the semiconstant disassociations
[07:07] <alankila> they never happen as long as I keep pinging. Otherwise the network most commonly drops, stupidly, when I'm typing on irc. For some reason the ssh network transmit patterns trigger connection failure.
[07:08] <alankila> and I can also confirm that it was a change in some kernel recently that made it worse, it worked fine for months
[07:09] <spawnman> im doing sudo apt-get autoremove
[07:09] <spawnman> in hopes that will solve my problem
[07:12] <jetsaredim> is there any way to troubleshoot a "network error" in empathy?
[07:14] <hipitihop> I'm getting upgrade problem for nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server, can someone have a look pls here is output http://paste.ubuntu.com/292032/
[07:18] <rashed2020> Guys, just looking for confirmation that installing the beta and then just simply updating from there will take me to Karmic final.
[07:18] <alankila> rashed2020: of course it will.
[07:18] <rashed2020> Is that sarcasm?
[07:20] <alankila> No. But now you have to think if this is sarcasm.
[07:21] <rashed2020> LOL
[07:21] <rashed2020> Most IRC people are sarcastic or condesending when they say "of course". Just from what I see :P
[07:22] <rashed2020> The Python community is a bit too full of themselves. Anyway, off to get the beta! Happy days.
[07:22] <alankila> well, there's nothing special to the current karmic alphas and betas with respect to the final release. It's all just version numbers of packages in certain ftp/http tree.
[07:22] <alankila> for all I know your distro is probably already 95 % final, and the 5 % will be updated in the whatever time there's left before the final release.
[07:23] <rashed2020> That's good to hear.
[07:24] <alankila> hmm, well, it's still 2 weeks away. I guess it's much more than 5 % that will get updated in that time. The release churn is probably pretty immense based on the current rate of change
[07:24] <alankila> something like 300 MB per week or whatever it's been lately
[07:25] <rashed2020> Room mate says he's been getting around 80MBs of updates a day.
[07:27] <ActionParsnip> if you uninstall unnecessary apps, your updates will decrease
[07:27] <alankila> I recall that either edgy or feisty also had a rather painful release with a lot of churn, a new kernel every day for like 2 weeks
[07:27] <ActionParsnip> like uninstall openoffice (500Mb) and install abiword (10Mb) and gnumeric (12Mb)
[07:28] <alankila> I knew it was released because the kernel updates stopped coming. But I knew it wouldn't work that well, the updates stopped only because they ran out of time, not because they ran out of bugs
[07:30] <hipitihop> anyone have idea on my nfs-common upgrade prob output here http://paste.ubuntu.com/292032/
[07:31] <alankila> dpigs indicates that removing ubuntu-docs would get me 170 MB. In constrast, killing opeoffice's largest package only gets me 45 MB
[07:31] <ActionParsnip> hipitihop: try: sudo /etc/init.d/idmapd stop; sudo apt-get -f install
[07:31] <alankila> urk, missed one. 125 MB for openoffice.org-core
[07:32] <ActionParsnip> alankila: exactly, its massive
[07:32] <alankila> well, ubuntu-docs was larger :)
[07:32] <rashed2020> So OO is AT LEAST 600 megs?
[07:32]  * alankila likes dpigs
[07:33] <leaf-sheep> You sure don't need the package 'example-content'
[07:34] <alankila> there is 250 MB of stuff according to dpigs related to openoffice. Possibly there are other packages that are unobviously named which are included only because opneoffice is.
[07:34] <tonyyarusso> How do xsplash and gdm decide what resolution to use?
[07:35] <leaf-sheep> alankila: You could go with Ubuntu Minimal and install the bare essential packages. That'd be easier.
[07:35] <alankila> leaf-sheep: nah, I'm actually a rather maximalist person and I even launch openoffice every now and then
[07:36] <leaf-sheep> Alrigh. Just throwing that one out.
[07:36] <leaf-sheep> Night.  Off to sleep.
[07:38] <hipitihop> ActionParsnip: I'm getting the error during apt-get upgrade, are you suggesting 'apt-get -f install nfs-common or just try upgrade after " sudo /etc/init.d/idmapd stop"
[07:39] <ActionParsnip> hipitihop: from the error the service is not stopable, could try a reboot
[07:39] <hipitihop> ActionParsnip: machine has been rebooted multiple time an dI have been getting this error for a number of days
[07:41] <ActionParsnip> hipitihop: could force install the deb but its not very graceful
[07:41] <hipitihop> ActionParsnip: hmm, this is a mythbuntu machine, might check if it actualy needs thew two packages otherwise maybe I can remove ?
[07:42] <ActionParsnip> possibly
[07:48] <eagles0513875> morning
[07:51] <meborc> morning
[07:51] <eagles0513875> how goes it
[07:51] <JDahl> My desktop folders got a green flag, and from the properties menu, I gather this means that the files have been synchronized with UbuntuOne.  Have my files been uploaded to an Ubuntu Server without me explicitly asking for it?
[07:51] <eagles0513875> !ubuntuone
[07:51] <eagles0513875> !info one
[07:52] <eagles0513875> what is ubuntu one anyway JDahl
[07:53] <JDahl> eagles0513875, I am not really sure,  but I think it's some kind of synchronization service for configuration files, so that you can easier migrate your account to other machines,  and Ubuntu provides the server infrastructure
[07:53] <eagles0513875> !info ubuntuone
[07:53]  * eagles0513875 smacks ubottu
[07:53] <JDahl> In either case,  it is very unfortunate to have your files uploaded to Ubuntu servers automatically...
[07:54] <eagles0513875> JDahl: wish i could help u out but i have no idea what ubuntu one is
[07:54] <eagles0513875> JDahl: ya i agree
[07:54] <eagles0513875> hell if anything why  not just burn the /etc folder to a cd or dvd instead of upload them
[07:55] <rashed2020> UbuntuOne is 2GB or free cloudspace
[07:55] <eagles0513875> JDahl: https://one.ubuntu.com/
[07:55] <JDahl> eagles0513875, In principle I think the service is great.. But it's unacceptable that my work documents have suddenly been uploaded to a remote server
[07:55] <rashed2020> OF*
[07:55] <eagles0513875> JDahl: but i dont think anyone has access to them but u
[07:55] <eagles0513875> think of it in a way as a back up
[07:55] <eagles0513875> of ur work
[07:56] <JDahl> eagles0513875, no way should Ubuntu upload private documents without my permissions.
[07:56] <eagles0513875> agreed
[07:56] <eagles0513875> JDahl: have you checked launchpad.net to see if a bug has been filed in regards to that
[07:56] <eagles0513875> JDahl: just discovered the ubuntuone channel on here
[07:56] <JDahl> those are not .gimp files etc.  Those are folders on my Desktop with confidential files
[07:57] <eagles0513875> JDahl: ask them in the #ubuntuone channel cuz im not sure how that works in all honesty
[08:01] <hipitihop> ActionParsnip: that seems to have worked iow removed nfs-common.. thanks
[08:02] <ActionParsnip> hipitihop: awesome, wtg :D
[08:19] <digifor> Will Karmic be able to be booted from external USB hard drives on the Intel iMac with grub2?
[08:20] <eagles0513875> digifor: i tried btw at alpha 6 stage but it doesnt seem to pick it up
[08:20] <eagles0513875> will have to try it again with the beta its possible
[08:21] <eagles0513875> digifor: ahhh wait i tried with a bootable usb flash drive which didnt work i have tried it in the past but had issues with where grub is installed
[08:21] <peepsalot> where is the grub menu stored?
[08:23] <digifor> Another question. Have you tried booting from an external usb DVD drive with grub2?
[08:23] <RussellAlan> Hey guys, I can't seem to get my mouse to stop moving in 9.10 -12 or 9.10 -11
[08:24] <ActionParsnip> !grub2  | peepsalot
[08:24] <digifor> peepsalot, I have tried in the past but from what I understand EFI won't boot from external usb. I was wondering if that is still the case with grub2?
[08:26] <peepsalot> EFI?
[08:28] <digifor> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_Firmware_Interface
[08:28] <peepsalot> i see... gotta reboot. brb
[08:30] <RussellAlan> Anyone up for a challenge?
[08:30] <RussellAlan> Should I do a fresh install
[08:30] <RussellAlan> I upgraded from 9.04 to Karmic
[08:31] <RussellAlan> and before my mouse would jump around a little bit, but now it is uncontrollable.
[08:33] <peepsalot> whenever I boot, the first thing I see from grub is "Entering Rescue mode...", where it thrashes my hard drive for about 10 seconds before finally displaying a normal grub boot menu.  It boots fine from there, but the fact that it says entering rescue mode bothers me, and seems like it should take that long to load a grub menu
[08:33] <peepsalot> s/should/shouldn't/
[08:33] <eagles0513875> peepsalot: run this command if you can get to a command line
[08:33] <eagles0513875> sudo update-grub
[08:33] <peepsalot> eagles0513875, i just ran that, and ran an update which also ran that
[08:34] <peepsalot> doesn't make a difference
[08:34] <eagles0513875> ok peepsalot humm
[08:53] <ActionParsnip> is karmic right on schedule for release?
[09:01] <RussellAlan> Okay, no more retarded bouncing mouse.
[09:01] <RussellAlan> Can someone help me install an irc client?
[09:01] <RussellAlan> Quassell won't run.
[09:03] <joaopinto> RussellAlan, add/remove, xchat
[09:03] <eagles0513875> bleeh quassel lol
[09:03] <RussellAlan> I agree
[09:04] <RussellAlan> I'm trying to install kvirc or xchat
[09:04] <RussellAlan> just don't know which version to get.
[09:04] <eagles0513875> RussellAlan: its easy try out kvirc just run on the command line sudo apt-get install kvirc
[09:04] <joaopinto> RussellAlan, there is a single version for it, you don't need to care about that
[09:04] <RussellAlan> ahh
[09:05] <RussellAlan> see, i still think its complicated
[09:05] <ActionParsnip> RussellAlan: sudo apt-get install pidgin    is one option
[09:05] <RussellAlan> but its just so easy
[09:05] <ActionParsnip> !irc | RussellAlan
[09:05] <joaopinto> RussellAlan, Install software on your apps menu, is that complicated ?
[09:05] <RussellAlan> what app from apps menu?
[09:06] <RussellAlan> I could never find it in 9.04
[09:06] <joaopinto> RussellAlan, Applications -> Install Software
[09:06] <joaopinto> RussellAlan, on 9.04 it was Add/Remove apps
[09:06] <ActionParsnip> RussellAlan: karmic has a software store in the applications menu
[09:06] <joaopinto> ActionParsnip, software center, not store :)
[09:06] <RussellAlan> Under what tab?
[09:06] <joaopinto> RussellAlan, Applications
[09:07] <ActionParsnip> joaopinto: aye, that one too ;)
[09:07] <joaopinto> from the same place you launch the regular apps ?
[09:07] <RussellAlan> I see nothing.
[09:07] <joaopinto> RussellAlan, I am assuming you are using Ubuntu, not kubuntu, I am not familiar with kubuntu
[09:08] <ActionParsnip> RussellAlan: sudo apt-get install software-center
[09:08] <ActionParsnip> !info software-center
[09:08] <RussellAlan> =D
[09:09] <joaopinto> anyone on kubuntu there must be a similiar action which uses a different app
[09:13] <jbicha> software-center is not installed by default in Kubuntu, but it's not too hard to add it
[09:14] <RussellAlan> Ahhh, thanks guys.
[09:16] <RussellAlan> How can I set default browser?
[09:16] <ActionParsnip> RussellAlan: system -> prefs -> preferred applications
[09:17] <Rofl> need help: after upgrading to kubuntu 9.10 and restarting the screens stays black forever after the kubuntu loading bar appears
[09:17] <Rofl> come on people i need my laptop
[09:18] <joaopinto> Rofl, you understand the meaning of beta, right ?
[09:18] <joaopinto> if you needed your laptop you would never upgrade to beta :)
[09:19] <Rofl> they should put at the start: Warning, by unstable we dont mean ur laptop can go slow as hell, we mean it has the potential of broking up and not even starting
[09:19] <Rofl> =/
[09:19] <jbicha> rofl, what graphics card are you using in your laptop?
[09:19] <Rofl> nvidia
[09:20] <jbicha> which nvidia?
[09:20] <Rofl> ...
[09:20] <Rofl> damn i should save this type of data
[09:20] <joaopinto> Rofl, "Note: This is a beta release. Do not install it on production machines. The final stable version will be released on October 29th, 2009."
[09:20] <Rofl> where was that warning displayed
[09:21] <joaopinto> Rofl, on the beta page
[09:21] <JackD> your data is still there just boot on the livecd and grab it
[09:21] <Rofl> okay NVM now, i just need to fix the error
[09:21] <Rofl> how i can know my nvidia?
[09:21] <Rofl> it says in the laptop geforce 7000
[09:21] <joaopinto> there have been some people reporting unbootable systems with nvidia
[09:22] <Rofl> oh shi--
[09:22] <Rofl> well, is there a way to go back?
[09:22] <joaopinto> Rofl, have you selected to installl the accelerated driver from the hardware dialog ?
[09:22] <Rofl> nop joaopinto
[09:22] <Rofl> what is rare is that the kubuntu charging bar appears
[09:22] <Rofl> and then turns infinite black screen
[09:23] <joaopinto> anyone using kubuntu+1 here ?
[09:23] <RussellAlan> kvirc is junk
[09:24] <Rofl> oh my god any recomendations i need them i am desesperate
[09:24] <Rofl> how i can install the graphics driver from the text mode
[09:24] <joaopinto> Rofl, yes, if you are desesperate, re-install 9.04
[09:24] <jbicha> you can try booting recovery mode, installing nvidia-glx-185 and then running nvidia-xconfig
[09:24] <Rofl> ok let me enter recovery
[09:25] <Rofl> second
[09:27] <RussellAlan> How can I set a desktop icon? Like minimize.
[09:28] <Rofl> jbicha: now i am in recovery mode
[09:28] <Rofl> what i do
[09:29] <jbicha> install nvidia-glx-185
[09:29] <Rofl> -_-
[09:29] <Rofl> how i do that... netroot, what i choose?
[09:29] <RussellAlan> can I apt-get an sdk file?
[09:29] <jbicha> if you don't know how to install software, you'd probably be better off testing inside VirtualBox or something
[09:30] <jbicha> sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx-185
[09:30] <Rofl> Sudo aptitude thx for making me things easy!
[09:30] <Rofl> ...
[09:30] <digifor> Are the netboot install iso's also using grub2? http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/NetBoot
[09:30] <jbicha> netroot
[09:31] <vivid> the karmic net iso i used installed grub2
[09:31] <digifor> thanks vivid
[09:31] <vivid> np
[09:34] <Rofl> jbicha: installation ended
[09:34] <Rofl> reboot?
[09:34] <virtuald> vivid, karmic comes with grub2 unless you upgrade
[09:34] <jbicha> sudo nvidia-xconfig then try rebooting
[09:35] <vivid> because it has to i would assume, cant boot from ext4 with legacy grub right?
[09:36] <jbicha> jaunty grub can boot ext4
[09:36] <joaopinto> vivid, ye syou can
[09:36] <joaopinto> yes
[09:37] <Rofl> jbicha: nop, not worked
[09:37] <Rofl> still black screen
[09:38] <vivid> meh, i didnt use ext4 in jaunty for very long, lots of crashing when deleting files
[09:38] <Rofl> the reason i dont wanna reinstall is cause i dont remember how to delete the OS, installing the linux and use the same partition like before and not a new 1
[09:38] <Rofl> i dont wanna lose data
[09:38] <joaopinto> Rofl, backup your /home dir
[09:38] <Rofl> i mean
[09:38] <Rofl> some time ago
[09:39] <ActionParsnip> Rofl: restore from backups then
[09:39] <Rofl> nvm...
[09:40] <Rofl> LMAO now i remember what he told me
[09:40] <Rofl> he said me auto thigns are bad: i used whole disk option in the installer, and it installed linux instalation partition in all the disk
[09:40] <Rofl> not ext3
[09:41] <Rofl> so i dont remember how to assign 15GB to linux partion and the rest for the disk, or using the same partion like before without losing data, all from command line =/
[09:42] <Rofl> ...
[09:43] <Rofl> i mean mounting a partition...
[09:43] <joaopinto> Rofl, so you don't have any data now, just re-install 9.04, move to #ubuntu, and be happy
[09:43] <Rofl> OF COURSE I HAVE DATA
[09:44] <JackD> if you used the entire disk option you don't
[09:44] <Rofl> i have a windows xp os, this linux, and some precious openoffice documents
[09:45] <Rofl> oh roflmaool fuck nevermind...
[09:45] <joaopinto> !language
[09:45] <Rofl> what i choose to download...64amd or 32bit...
[09:45] <JackD> the entire disk option does exactly what it says on the box
[09:45] <joaopinto> Rofl, you told "...i used whole disk option in the installer..."
[09:45] <Rofl> amd64 or 32bit....
[09:45] <tuukkah> hey guys. i just had a resume failure where X died and gdm won't restart. is there an apport command i should run from console?
[09:46] <Rofl> joaopinto: is there any dif between choosing from amd64 and 32bit
[09:47] <Rofl> because my laptops says: amd turionx2 64
[09:47] <Rofl> or its best to stay with 32 bit
[09:48] <tuukkah> /usr/share/apport/apporcheckresume?
[09:48] <Rofl> hello?!
[09:50] <jbicha> flash is easier to get working in 32 bit
[09:54] <RussellAlan> Hey guys, Volume (ntfs) being my windows partition, what is the path to that?
[09:56] <elumbella> are there any new panel icons for other applications such as pidgin, skype etc?
[09:56] <NoReflex> Hello! I'm copying a few GB from the current HDD (Samsung HM320JI - notebook) on a IDE HDD in a USB enclosure. The thing is that the copy speed is about 20 MB/s and the CPU usage is around 97% (Intel C2D T7250 2 Ghz) - I'm using Kubuntu Karmic
[10:09] <NoReflex> I tried copying some files from my Kingston 4 GB flash drive...also the speed is around 18 MB/s and the CPU usage is around 75%
[10:10] <zer0x> Hi all, quick question, can't remember.. does recovery mode try getting an internet connection with dhcp?
[10:10] <G_A_C> zer0x: it asks you when you boot it what you want to do
[10:11] <G_A_C> you can either go directly to a root shell, or start dhcp first
[10:11] <zer0x> G_A_C: bargain, cheers G_A_C :d
[10:11] <zer0x> *:d
[10:11] <zer0x> *:D damn caps!
[10:12] <Tarthen> Oooh. New Nvidia updates
[10:12] <Tarthen> this fix the TTY breakage?
[10:13] <Tarthen> or does it break it beyond all comprehension :P
[10:24] <eolo999> hi, here you talk of karmic or lucid?
[10:25] <Tarthen> Karmic, atm
[10:30] <jonathan_> hello! since the upgrade from kubuntu jaunty to karmic, pulseaudio isn't working anymore. That isn
[10:30] <jonathan_> that wouldn't be any problem if there is any alternative...
[10:31] <jonathan_> can anyone suggest me any program that detects everything automatically too? i don't want the stuff with alsa and the asoundrc file again which doesn't work in the end :S
[10:32] <jonathan_> oh and by the way; I'm using an 5.1 card and sound system, otherwise alsa wouldn't be any problem. But try to configure alsa for a 5.1 system :)
[10:34] <joaopinto> jonathan_, how have you determined that the problem is with pulseaudio ?
[10:35] <joaopinto> jonathan_, you can disable PA, however I am not sure you know the source of your problem
[10:35] <joaopinto> to disable PA: touch $HOME/.pulse_a11y_nostart ; echo autospawn = no|tee -a ~/.pulse/client.con
[10:35] <joaopinto> f ; killall pulseaudio
[10:35]  * eolo999 :: PulseAudio always PulseAudio
[10:35] <joaopinto> the gnome mixer will not work after disabling PA, you will need to use the command line alsamixer
[10:36] <jonathan_> I'm using kubuntu
[10:36] <jonathan_> not ubuntu/gnome
[10:36] <joaopinto> ok, i am not familiar with kubuntus mixer, not sure if it will work after disabling PA
[10:37] <joaopinto> but again, there is no indication that your problem is with PA :)
[10:37] <jonathan_> well; first I can't run the volume control of pulseaudio anymore, it crashes directly after launching. second the pulseaudio icon disappeared from the taskbar, it looks like pulse isn'
[10:37] <jonathan_> isn'
[10:38] <jonathan_> isn't supported anymore... and third; someone in the internet had the same problem after upgrading and said it would be pulseaudio :P
[10:38] <joaopinto> jonathan_, everythone with sound problems usually blaims PA
[10:39] <Tarthen> PA isn't THAT broken
[10:39] <ActionParsnip> its a lot better now
[10:39] <jonathan_> i like Pulseaudio and without it i wouldn't have any 5.1 sound for the last years! Its great!
[10:39] <joaopinto> first people blaimed linux for it's lack of sound support, now they blame PA :)
[10:40] <Tarthen> lol
[10:40] <Tarthen> PA is stable enough for me
[10:40] <Tarthen> it works on everything
[10:40] <jonathan_> well ok then tell me please what else could be the problem :D
[10:40] <Tarthen> at work, a little too much. We had a demo Ubuntu box that when we started it to show the management, the login sound was epic loud :P
[10:41] <Tarthen> The new Nvidia update won't kill me, will it :P?
[10:42] <jonathan_> no it wont... or it didn't kill me ;)
[10:42] <void^_> good thing you'll be our guinea pig :3
[10:42] <Tarthen> lol
[10:43] <ActionParsnip> Tarthen: i use the 190 driver here, works nice
[10:43] <jonathan_> or why does my PA volume control crash every time i run it?
[10:44] <Tarthen> 1:13, 1:14, 1:18, 1:24, 1:23, 1:19, 1:15 are my boot times according to bootchart
[10:44] <Tarthen> :S
[10:44] <Tarthen> that's absolutely horrid
[10:45] <Tarthen> considering Jaunty hits 17sec
[10:45] <Tarthen> is that a bad thing?
[10:46] <Tarthen> although... I think bootchart's bugged
[10:46] <Tarthen> all CPU and disk usage stops at 42sec
[10:47] <ActionParsnip> Tarthen: are you in a rush?
[10:48] <Manchuriano> ./cornh0l3.sh
[10:48] <Tarthen> ActionParsnip: Well, everyone's getting much quicker boot times. And yes, in fact, I am in a rush
[10:49] <rww> Tarthen: did you upgrade from jaunty or do a fresh install?
[10:49] <Tarthen> rww: Fresh install
[10:49] <ActionParsnip> Tarthen: boot earlier then, if you read dmesg | less    you can see what is happening during the boot and recify
[10:50] <Tarthen> ah. awesome, I'll check it out
[10:51] <ActionParsnip> Tarthen: the colomn on the left is the milliseconds since the kernel came up
[10:51] <Tarthen> hmm
[10:51] <Tarthen> It stops at 30 seconds
[10:51] <rww> ActionParsnip: seconds, actually.
[10:51] <jonathan_> can noone help me with pulseaudio? or suggest my any workaround? i don't want to be 19 days without sound...
[10:52] <ActionParsnip> Tarthen: whats the message?
[10:52] <ActionParsnip> rww: true, i was thinking the decimal places
[10:52] <Tarthen> [   30.630802] CPU3 attaching sched-domain:[   30.630804]  domain 0:span 2-3 level MC[   30.630806]   groups: 3 2[   30.630809]   domain 1:span 0-3 level CPU[   30.630810]    groups: 2-3 0-1
[10:52] <indus> jonathan_: try using alsa
[10:52] <Tarthen> That's it
[10:52] <Tarthen> next entry after that is [ 1194.677582] wlan0: authenticate with AP 00:22:6b:da:95:98
[10:52] <ActionParsnip> Tarthen: ok you have some ammo, go see if jeeves knows anything
[10:52] <Manchuriano> ---------Can I burn a 1gb iso with Ubuntu brasero???
[10:52] <indus> jonathan_: killall -vvv pulseaudio
[10:53] <Tarthen> ah hah
[10:53] <JonathanEllis> Can someone please point me towards some info about what will be good in Karmic
[10:53] <Tarthen> [   20.862282] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready takes 5 seconds
[10:53] <Tarthen> JonathanEllis: Xsplash, newer apps, prettiness...
[10:53] <joaopinto> JonathanEllis, check the release notes ?
[10:54] <ActionParsnip> Tarthen: http://forums.opensuse.org/install-boot-login/406961-kernel-question-boot-quad-cpu.html
[10:54] <ActionParsnip> Tarthen: looks like its normal for quad core
[10:54] <rww> JonathanEllis: there's a list of new stuff at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/beta
[10:54] <eolo999> hi, the mic stopped working in pulseaudio, forgive me but i'm really annoyed by pulseaudio.
[10:55] <joaopinto> eolo999, again, why do you know it's related to PA ?
[10:55] <eolo999> is there any doc on how to debug pulseaudio
[10:55] <joaopinto> eolo999, have you selected the input device on your sound settings ?
[10:55] <ActionParsnip> Tarthen: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/powernowd/+bug/198589
[10:56] <eolo999> it randomly switch from working to not-working
[10:56] <Tarthen> I have an Intel Q6600
[10:56] <Tarthen> hm
[10:56] <eolo999> the right device is selected
[10:56] <Tarthen> doesn't bother me, those were just the last logs
[10:56] <eolo999> how do you debug PA?
[10:56] <joaopinto> eolo999, ok, so it randomly fails to record is that ?
[10:56] <ActionParsnip> eolo999: could try: killalll pulseaudio; rm -rf ~/.pulse*    then press alt+f2   and run: pulseaudio
[10:57] <joaopinto> can you test it with a recording application ?
[10:57] <eolo999> joaopinto: ok
[10:57]  * eolo999 does it
[10:58] <joaopinto> just to make sure it's audio related, and not to whatever app you are using, voip I assume :)
[10:58] <joaopinto> audio stack
[10:58] <JonathanEllis> rww, Tarthen, joaopinto: Thanks. I will read the release notes
[10:59] <eolo999> joaopinto: it still doesn't work
[10:59] <eolo999> joaopinto: even 'gnome-record' doesn't receive input from mic
[11:00] <Tarthen> ooh
[11:00] <Tarthen> Clouds
[11:00] <joaopinto> eolo999, it's random right, it works sometimes ? can you identify a pattern when it stops working ?
[11:00] <eolo999> not yet, that's why i was looking for debug strategies
[11:01] <eolo999> to get more infos on what's happening
[11:01] <joaopinto> ok, afaik debugging PA is complex, becaust PA is just the tip of the iceberg
[11:01] <joaopinto> check http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/Community#BugsPatchesTranslations
[11:01] <joaopinto> dtchen, can you provide any info on how to debug PA ?
[11:02] <eolo999> normally i used to apt purge pulseaudio but in karmic things are too related and it's not an option anymore.
[11:02] <joaopinto> eolo999, you can disable PA with: touch $HOME/.pulse_a11y_nostart ; echo autospawn = no|tee -a ~/.pulse/client.con
[11:02] <joaopinto> f ; killall pulseaudio
[11:03] <joaopinto> but debugging the problem would benefit others
[11:03] <eolo999> that's why i'm here
[11:03] <JonathanEllis> Is there a page I can show to a potential new user of ubuntu (currently a frustrated windows user) about how great the new ubuntu is? The release notes assume some prior knowledge of ubuntu. She is looking to transition to ubuntu but I am not sure whether to put her on 9.04 or 9.10 when it is finally released
[11:03] <eolo999> but i wanted to give more details on why my PA fails
[11:03] <joaopinto> JonathanEllis, if you are a new user, do not install 9.10 at this time
[11:04] <joaopinto> you may find problems for which you don't have know-how
[11:04] <joaopinto> JonathanEllis, either use 9.04 or wait for the final release
[11:05] <rwat> what is the current mechanism for extending ones video resolution beyond that offered in gnome?
[11:05] <JonathanEllis> joaopinto: I am not a new user. My friend is. But since final release is so soon, I would like to find new-user-friendly information about karmic. Perhaps that info is not available yet?
[11:05] <joaopinto> eolo999, you may already done it, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting, check the Getting Line Input to work (Microphone, etc) section
[11:06] <eolo999> joaopinto: thx
[11:06] <joaopinto> JonathanEllis, I don't thing you will find anything different from what is already published for the previous ubuntu releases
[11:09] <Veinor> after doing the latest round of updates, every time I try to boot I get the ubuntu glowing logo and then a black screen.
[11:09] <rwat> I have installed karmic but gnome doesn't show the resolution I want. Normally I would edit xorg.conf (and before that XF86Config) but now there isn't one - where do I put my modes etc?
[11:10] <joaopinto> Veinor, nvidia ?
[11:10] <Veinor> nope
[11:11] <joaopinto> hum, have you tried the -12 kernel ?
[11:11] <joaopinto> there was a kernel update today
[11:11] <eolo999> joaopinto: no way. the wiki link didn't helped.
[11:11] <Veinor> didn't get installed.
[11:11] <Veinor> although the -11 kernel fails as well
[11:11] <Veinor> seems like it can't get the root file system
[11:11] <joaopinto> sorry, bbl
[11:11] <Veinor> ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/hexstuff does not exist. Dropping to a shell!
[11:11] <joaopinto> rwat, you can create a xorg.conf if needed
[11:13] <joaopinto> rwat, kill X, and run Xorg -configure
[11:13] <joaopinto> Veinor, that looks bad :P
[11:13] <Veinor> Yeah.
[11:13] <Veinor> Seems like the uuid got changed somehow.
[11:14] <JonathanEllis> Are the new versions of http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/desktopedition and http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/910features/ available for preview somewhere yet?
[11:16] <Veinor> I seem to have seriously messed up /
[11:16] <Veinor> to the point where it's not finding it. :/
[11:16] <dreamon> Karmic Wifi Intel Chipset LINK 5100 dont work.. on jaunty it worked fine
[11:19] <Veinor> fixed!
[11:20] <Tarthen> why is Launchpad so bloody hard
[11:20] <Tarthen> Where is the "submit bug" button?!
[11:20] <ActionParsnip> !bug | Tarthen
[11:20] <Tarthen> oh.
[11:20] <Tarthen> lol
[11:21] <Veinor> the problem i have with that is that it doesn't work when you have a system that can't boot
[11:23] <Tarthen> oh how I love apport
[11:24] <jimlovell777> What's up with the full volume pops from my computer speakers when I mute, unmute and boot my computer? It's unsettling to say the least. How can I stop it? If I hit a webpage with embedded audio or video and I have all volume meters set to 0/mute the speakers on my system crackle. I've verified this also happens on a two other makes and models of computer.
[11:37] <AzaTht> I had an question regarding spotify under wine under karmic which was problematic; has anyone seen this issue?
[11:38] <PolitikerNEU> Hello, does anybody know how to disable startup sound (of gdm)?
[11:38] <jimlovell777> PolitikerNEU: System->Preferences->Startup Applications
[11:39] <JoshuaL> jimlovell777, isnt the the login sound? :)
[11:39] <JoshuaL> that*
[11:39] <Tarthen> jimlovell777: of GDM
[11:39] <Tarthen> That WAS in Login Preferences
[11:39] <JoshuaL> i think he means the login-ready screen
[11:39] <Tarthen> but thanks to Xsplash
[11:39] <JoshuaL> i filled in a bug about that
[11:39] <Tarthen> that doesn't exist anymore :)
[11:40] <JoshuaL> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/445747
[11:40] <PolitikerNEU> Ah, that's a bug - but shouldn't the sound scheme be user specific?
[11:41] <jimlovell777> PolitikerNEU: It can't be if no one is logged in at that point
[11:41] <jimlovell777> PolitikerNEU: Nevermind
[11:41] <JoshuaL> PolitikerNEU, sure, but tell me where else to disable it?
[11:41] <PolitikerNEU> jimlovell777: Sure - but who defines the gdm login scheme - in 9.04 it was in gdmsetup acc. to some user in #ubuntu-de
[11:42] <jimlovell777> PolitikerNEU: I was thinking of the wrong sound, I'll stay out of it lol.
[11:42] <JoshuaL> but when i mute my system it is also muted, but turning of sounds doesnt affect it
[11:42] <JoshuaL> looks like a design bug imo
[11:44] <rw> How can I get notify-send to display mutliple notifications at the same time?
[11:45] <AzaTht> hmm, wonder why external links doesn't open in new tab in firefox any more
[11:46] <Tarthen> AzaTht: I had that. Look in default programs
[11:46] <AzaTht> ah
[11:46] <AzaTht> ty
[11:49] <Ian_Corne> http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=468 gief in black
[12:02] <cankoy> will this patch be applied to karmic? http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13121
[12:04] <hggdh> cankoy: better to ask at #ubuntu-kernel
[12:05] <jonathan_> hm i still didn't get pulseaudio's pavucontrol running
[12:06] <jonathan_> it crashes with this error: http://pastebin.com/m3482ec6a
[12:06] <jonathan_> any ideas what is wrong with my pulseaudio? the error occures since the upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10
[12:08] <sp_> question: why does alsa seem to always tweak the volume levels when I upgrade the alsa packages?
[12:13] <jonathan_> please help me, i don'
[12:14] <jonathan_> i don't want to be 19 days or longer without any sound
[12:15] <JoshuaL> !bug | jonathan_
[12:16] <jonathan_> yes you have my word that i will fill a bug report... but until the bug is solved i don't want to be without any sound...
[12:16] <jonathan_> isn't there any kind of workaround?
[12:17] <dreamon> anybody here with nvidia GT240m Grafikkarte noch Karmic.. ?
[12:17] <JoshuaL> jonathan_, i have no idea, the faster you report it the faster it will be fixed :)
[12:17] <JoshuaL> and karmic will break as stated in the /topic
[12:18] <jonathan_> nice.
[12:19] <jonathan_> damnd shit not even the bug report site on launchpad works
[12:19] <jonathan_> i can neither login nor create a new account to report the bug.
[12:20] <pmatulis> jonathan_: be patient
[12:21] <Tarthen> Launchpad times out
[12:21] <Tarthen> nice one, Canonical
[12:22] <topyli> launchpad is free software now, go fix it :)
[12:22] <Tarthen> Can't help a slow datacenter ;)
[12:23] <hggdh> no problems with LP here
[12:23] <wirechief_> you really should start making smaller bug reports
[12:23] <Tarthen> Oh, I'm trying to READ a bug
[12:25] <wirechief_> anyone have an idea why i cannot get my fresh updated Karmic (on a cd) to update my install ?
[12:26]  * wirechief_ not sure if i explained that well enough
[12:27] <KruyKaze> has the remote desktop freeze problem been resolved?
[12:27] <pmatulis> KruyKaze: bug #?
[12:27] <Ranakah> hi all... anybody know how work ubuntu 9.10 with radeon 1950 pro?
[12:27] <KruyKaze> don't have a number but basically incompatibility remote viewer and compiz
[12:28] <wirechief_> Ranakah have you tried asking in #phoronix ?
[12:29] <wekt> Where is the best place(s) to submit a proposal for an enhancement?  How would I acquire approval in advance that if I do the work for an enhancement, it will be integrated?
[12:30] <Ranakah> ok tnx.. i'l try
[12:30] <pmatulis> wekt: enhancement for what?
[12:31] <wekt> a package.  An alteration.
[12:31] <wekt> though i am interested in the case for a new package as well.
[12:32] <pmatulis> wekt: try becoming a motu
[12:33] <wekt> and then?  would i be able to approve my own changes?
[12:33] <pmatulis> wekt: it doesn't work that way
[12:33] <pmatulis> wekt: please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/
[12:34] <hakaishi> Hi, I got a problem with the nvidia drivers. I get this message: NVIDIA: Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module
[12:36] <hakaishi> I'm using Ubuntu 9.10 and a NVidia 8800 GTS Card
[12:38] <hakaishi> where should I look for the system's kernel log?
[12:39] <Tarthen> dmesg | less
[12:39] <Tarthen> or /var/log/dmesg
[12:39] <hakaishi> thanks
[12:40] <wekt> where are milestones for VLC listed?
[12:40] <Ian_Corne> hehe going to a beta without knowing what dmsg is :p
[12:40] <wekt> wrong channel
[12:42] <Tarthen> heh
[12:42] <Tarthen> The beta is... smooth
[12:42] <Tarthen> it's crazy
[12:42] <Tarthen> I expected a LOT more trouble
[12:42] <Tarthen> Nvidia worked. Sound works. D: please tell me I have the beta
[12:44] <hakaishi> After booting my screen stays black... and the error given is: NVIDIA: Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module. (from xorg.conf)
[12:44] <Tarthen> again, am I using the beta :B?
[12:44] <Tarthen> uhm
[12:45] <Ian_Corne> tried removing the xorg hakaishi ?
[12:45] <Ian_Corne> make sure the driver is actually installed
[12:45] <hatchetman82> hello
[12:45] <Ian_Corne> i've heard from people that the driver was uninstalled during upgrade
[12:45] <hatchetman82> hwo can i check my CPU's temperature from the terminal ? i've tried 3 different temperature widgets and none work
[12:45] <hatchetman82> how*
[12:46] <hatchetman82> i want to know if its some bug with my hardware or a misconfiguration
[12:46] <hakaishi> Ian_Corne: if I remove the module "nvidia" and enter "nv" everything works, but no desktop effects and such will work
[12:46] <Tarthen> hatchetman82: Hmm. Have you set up libsensors?
[12:46] <Tarthen> hatchetman82: You need to do manual config
[12:47] <hakaishi> Ian_Corne: nvidia-glx-185 and similar are installed
[12:47] <hatchetman82> Tarthen: i dont really know my way around the libs, but i've installed the gnome sensors applet, among others. one of them had to have installed something along these lines
[12:47]  * hatchetman82 checks the deps for gnome sensors applet
[12:48] <hatchetman82> funny thing is it reads the temps off my HD and GPU
[12:48] <hatchetman82> just no CPU
[12:49] <hakaishi> hatchetman82: Maybe your CPU doesn't support it???
[12:49] <hatchetman82> Tarthen: yes, gnome sensor applet has libsensors 4 listed as a package dependancy
[12:49] <hatchetman82> core 2 duo e8400 ... fairly recent model
[12:49] <hatchetman82> and it works on windows, so im positive its supported
[12:49] <hakaishi> okay ^^
[12:49] <hatchetman82> :-)
[12:49] <Ian_Corne> hakaishi: ok then i don't know
[12:50] <Ian_Corne> have you tried removing the xorg file?
[12:50] <hatchetman82> i think it has something to do with the motherboard's ACPI implementation, but i want to make sure
[12:50] <Ian_Corne> alot of stuff is autodetected
[12:50] <hatchetman82> hakaishi: i have an nvidia card, using the 185 driver with an almost empty xorg.conf file and effects work
[12:51] <hatchetman82> if you want i could upload my xorg.conf to a pastebin
[12:51] <hakaishi> Ian_Corne: I'll try. but, I typed nvidia-xconfig before.
[12:52] <hatchetman82> so anyone know how i can list the detected sensors from the terminal or something ?
[12:52] <hakaishi> okay, I'll return after a reboot
[12:54] <Tarthen> Heh
[12:54] <Tarthen> O
[12:54] <Tarthen> I'm slightly afraid to reboot :P
[12:57] <hatchetman82> whats the worst that could happen ? :-)
[12:57] <hatchetman82> got fire insurance ?
[12:57] <Tarthen> Hmm
[12:57] <Tarthen> no
[12:57] <Tuplapiste> ;P
[12:57] <Tarthen> I don't think my XPS will cause fire though
[12:57] <Tarthen> I think
[12:57] <hatchetman82> anywy, there's nothing under /proc/acpi/thermal_zone on my machine, so its a kernel/hardware issue
[12:57] <hatchetman82> there have been exploding laptops before
[12:58]  * hatchetman82 checks BIOS ACPI settings
[12:59] <hatchetman82> trying to enter bios setup with a bluetooth keyboard is a bad idea
[13:01] <Tarthen> ahaha
[13:03] <bullgard4> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1920: "first quit Empathy and then in the terminal type: 'EMPATHY_LOGFILE=/tmp/empathy.log GST_DEBUG=\*fsrtp\*:5 EMPATHY_DEBUG=all empathy'. This command does terminate properly. What's wrong in its syntax?
[13:04] <bullgard4> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1920: "first quit Empathy and then in the terminal type: 'EMPATHY_LOGFILE=/tmp/empathy.log GST_DEBUG=\*fsrtp\*:5 EMPATHY_DEBUG=all empathy'. This command does no terminate properly. What's wrong in its syntax?
[13:04] <bullgard4> s/no/not/
[13:04] <AceKing> After installing 9.10 beta, all my movies are playing in a very low color... Almost black and white. If I open the movie with Avidemux, it plays in color. I tried uninstalling Totem completely and reinstalling but it didn't help. Any ideas?
[13:05] <Tarthen> AceKing: Reinstall the Gstreamer plugins?
[13:05] <AceKing> Tarthen: Thank you!
[13:06] <hakaishi> I'm back. Deleting the xorg.conf in no solution for me. My PC'll just start without any 3d-support. I noticed that by system->administration->hardwaredrivers (or whatever the names may be... I'm using a german version), there should be a green button, after activating. Does someone know a way to install the NVIDIA driver manually per terminal?
[13:07] <ActionParsnip> hakaishi: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-185
[13:07] <hakaishi> ActionParsnip: Okay... but thats already installed...
[13:07] <ActionParsnip> hakaishi: then run: nvidiai-settings
[13:08] <mac_v> !test
[13:08] <hakaishi> ActionParsnip: shouldn't nvidia-xconfig suffice?
[13:08] <ActionParsnip> hakaishi: typo there, youo get the idea
[13:08] <AceKing> Tarthen: There are so many checked. How do I know which gstreamer items to uninstall?
[13:08] <Tarthen> Hmm
[13:09] <ActionParsnip> hakaishi: if you get an error from nvidia-settings then run: sudo nvidia-xconfig
[13:09] <Tarthen> AceKing: Re-install should do it, IMO
[13:09] <joaopinto> AceKing, Tarthen reinstalling does not usually fix app problems
[13:09] <ActionParsnip> hakaishi: then reboot
[13:09] <Tarthen> joaopinto: Oh wait yeah. Packages are checksummed
[13:09] <hakaishi> ActionParsnip: I already did that, but it won't boot up again
[13:09] <Tarthen> joaopinto: I've been spending too much time with MS products, obviously
[13:10] <joaopinto> AceKing, better file a bug report
[13:10] <ActionParsnip> hakaishi: do you use a crt monitor?
[13:10] <hatchetman82> so where do i go to get help with my ACPI issues ?
[13:10] <hakaishi> ActionParsnip: No, a TFT
[13:10] <AceKing> joaopinto, how do I do that
[13:10] <Dr_Willis> dvi or vga connection?
[13:10] <ActionParsnip> hakaishi: ok cool
[13:11] <ActionParsnip> hakaishi: instead of rebooting, if you restart x is it ok?
[13:11] <hakaishi> the crtl+alt+backspace won't do, so how do I restart x?
[13:12] <Pici> !dontzap
[13:12] <C-S-B> Hurry up karmic, i want to blitz this slowly dying jaunty install :
[13:12] <ActionParsnip> hakaishi: alt+print scrn+k
[13:13] <hakaishi> Pici: I cant find a package called that...
[13:13] <Pici> hakaishi: There should also be a checkbox somewhere in the keyboard preferences in Gnome
[13:15] <sergemine> Please, anyone. Need help here
[13:15] <sergemine> Installed the new Ubuntu beta in dual boot
[13:15] <sergemine> Windows wa detexted and set up, but doesnt start
[13:15] <sergemine> Grub2 shows some text when trying to load it, but so quickly I cant reed it. And then just hangs.
[13:15] <sergemine> Someone, please
[13:15] <sergemine> ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ###
[13:15] <sergemine> menuentry "Microsoft Windows XP Professional RU (on /dev/sda2)" {
[13:15] <sergemine> 	insmod ntfs
[13:15] <sergemine> 	set root=(hd0,2)
[13:15] <sergemine> 	search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set ac1854d91854a45c
[13:15] <sergemine> 	drivemap -s (hd0) ${root}
[13:15] <sergemine> 	chainloader +1
[13:16] <sergemine> }
[13:16] <sergemine> ### END /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ###
[13:16] <Tarthen> o.o
[13:16] <Tarthen> uh
[13:16] <Tarthen> pastebin.com
[13:16] <Tarthen> use it please
[13:16] <sergemine> I will
[13:16] <sergemine> and the Grub?
[13:16] <ActionParsnip> !paste | sergemine
[13:16] <AzaTht> has there been any changes to automount of mass storage devices?
[13:16] <Dr_Willis> windows fails to boot you mean - an dyou see the windows message go by real fast?
[13:16] <ActionParsnip> sergemine: the --no-floppy makes my OS not boot
[13:17] <Dr_Willis> AzaTht:  i find it not working very well.. thats a change :(
[13:17] <AzaTht> Dr_Willis: I find it not working at all :(
[13:17] <AzaTht> the usual question is: feature or bug?
[13:18] <sergemine> -ActionParsnip-, did you remove that string then?
[13:18] <AzaTht> (sometimes some strang devs can think of it as feature)
[13:18] <joaopinto> !bug | AceKing
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> sergemine: yes i put a grep on grub.cfg so i know if its been add. i then know to delete it before i reboot
[13:19] <Dr_Willis> AzaTht:  it workss here for a few min.. then somthing crashes and it stops.. i log out/in and it works again for a while...
[13:19] <AzaTht> hmm
[13:19] <sergemine> -ActionParsnip-, so you revo
[13:19] <Dr_Willis> and yes - its very annoying. :)
[13:19] <ActionParsnip> sergemine: revo?
[13:20] <ActionParsnip> sergemine: how does one revo?
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> spinn around real real fast?
[13:20] <ActionParsnip> sounds like a detergent
[13:20] <AzaTht> sergemine: why are you using -Foo-, for notifying users? seems strange
[13:21] <sergemine> -ActionParsnip-, so you remove it, and it works untill udate-grub is used again. BTW I tryed update-grub, but it replyed that me /usr is in mess or something I cant remember for sure. Would you know what that might be, and if this command could help at all?
[13:21] <ActionParsnip> sergemine: exactly
[13:22] <ActionParsnip> sergemine: i just delete the lines, its the only thing my system sucks at
[13:23] <sergemine> -ActionParsnip-, and any idea why update-grub would need my /usr ??
[13:23] <AceKing> joaopinto, Thank you
[13:23] <ActionParsnip> sergemine: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/391044
[13:23] <ActionParsnip> sergemine: not sure
[13:24] <Stormx2> Hi. In the new volume systray applet, how can I change how much using my scroll wheel adjusts the volume?
[13:24] <bullgard4> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1920: "first quit Empathy and then in the terminal type: 'EMPATHY_LOGFILE=/tmp/empathy.log GST_DEBUG=\*fsrtp\*:5 EMPATHY_DEBUG=all empathy'." This command does no terminate properly. What's wrong in its syntax?
[13:24] <hakaishi> Pici: I can't find anything like that...
[13:25] <sergemine> -ActionParsnip-, hah, could be it. Leaving now to check if it's so. Thanx a lot.
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> #1 worked in that bug for me, take --no-floppy out of /usr/lib/grub/grub-mkconfig_lib  job done
[13:29] <hakaishi> ActionParsnip: when I boot in recoverymode and I type startx then as well the error: Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module. is reported.
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> hakaishi: does: sudo modprobe nvidia      give any errors?
[13:30] <hakaishi> ActionParsnip: I'll try that and come back again
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> hakaishi: when you installed the driver did you see a DKMS stage taking place where the terminal sits for a while?
[13:30] <kankan1> anyone help me pls..
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> !ask | kankan1
[13:31] <hakaishi> ActionParsnip: what is a DKMS?
[13:31] <kankan1> intel graphics issue in ubuntu 9.04 ...is it solved now?
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> !dkms
[13:31] <hakaishi> Okay, I didn't see that
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> hakaishi: if dkms does NOT take place then the driver isnt installing right
[13:31] <Ian_Corne> kankan1: it's bettter
[13:32] <hakaishi> okay, I'll try a reinstall
[13:32] <Ian_Corne> what problems are you having?
[13:32] <kankan1> can i enable my desktop effects now??
[13:32] <ActionParsnip> hakaishi: install kernel-headers
[13:33] <Ian_Corne> kankan1: err, i don't use them sorry
[13:35] <kankan1> ActionParsnip: i have intel board.had a issue "desktop effects cant be enabled".is it good now??
[13:35] <ActionParsnip> kankan1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dkms/+bug/247523
[13:36] <Ian_Corne> ActionParsnip: that has nothing to do with desktop effects, does it? :p
[13:36] <Ian_Corne> i think you meant hakai
[13:36] <ActionParsnip> Ian_Corne: im all lost :(
[13:37] <oldude67> kankan1, if you are running the kernel with the beta install then yes im running intel board as well an desktop effects are enabled.
[13:38] <kankan1> oldude67:how you enabled it??
[13:38] <oldude67> kankan1, i go to system settings.
[13:39] <oldude67> kankan1, seeings how im running lxde and i dont know what desktop you are using im not quite sure how to tell you how to get there.
[13:40] <Ian_Corne> system->preferences->appearence
[13:41] <mpower_bmw> hey.. is it advisable for me to install kubuntu 9.10 beta right now?
[13:41] <oldude67> Ian_Corne, ty
[13:41] <mpower_bmw> or there are stil many problems
[13:41] <Stormx2> Hi. In the new volume systray applet, how can I change how much using my scroll wheel adjusts the volume?
[13:42] <Ian_Corne> mpower_bmw: the beta can still break your system
[13:42] <Ian_Corne> !beta
[13:42] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[13:42] <Ian_Corne> !break
[13:42] <Ian_Corne> i have no idea :p
[13:43] <Ian_Corne> !help
[13:43] <Ian_Corne> where can i see the keywords? :p
[13:43] <oldude67> Stormx2, if you go into system settings you can go under keyboard and mouse settings and tell it to set the wheel to go more or less in there. i think its set to 3 by default.
[13:43] <mpower_bmw> but if i install beta now then i dont need to reinstall to get the final release , i can just update it right?
[13:44] <ActionParsnip> mpower_bmw: no, you will upgrade seamlessly into the rc
[13:44] <Stormx2> oldude67: No, that would change it system-wide. I just want to adjust it for the volume applet.
[13:45] <mpower_bmw> can i wubi install the beta?
[13:45] <ActionParsnip> mpower_bmw: sure, it uses the same repos, just give wubi the beta ISO
[13:46] <oldude67> Stormx2, in that case i cant tell you never had a problem havent had to mess with it.
[13:47] <oldude67> ActionParsnip, i have a question for you, a little offtopic, can i i.m. you?
[13:47] <mpower_bmw> anyone has some 9.10 screenshots?
[13:47] <ActionParsnip> oldude67: sure
[13:47] <hakaishi> ActionParsnip: me?
[13:47] <Stormx2> oldude67: You used to be able to adjust it in 9.04. At the moment my scroll wheel adjusts it by 1% steps. it used to be 5%
[13:47] <Dr_Willis> mpower_bmw:  most gnome desktops look the same. :) only ubuntu is browner
[13:47] <hakaishi> ActionParsnip: sorry...
[13:47] <Dr_Willis> mpower_bmw:  theres several revies of 9.10 with shots.
[13:48] <Tarthen> You want a screenie?
[13:48] <Tarthen> I can give mine :P
[13:48] <Tarthen> http://fc05.deviantart.com/fs51/f/2009/279/c/6/Karmic_Beta_by_Syka_Brown.png :B
[13:48] <Tarthen> brb
[13:48]  * Dr_Willis advises caution...
[13:48] <Dr_Willis> :)
[13:48] <hakaishi> ActionParsnip: I tried to remove and reinstall nvidia-glx-185 and afterwards nvidia-xconfig. sudo modprobe nvidia gives: FATAL: Modul nvidia not found
[13:49]  * joaopinto_e testing
[13:49] <oldude67> Stormx2, i had to many problems with the kernels in 9.04 so i didnt use it very long, went straight into karmic..so dont know much about the settings in 9.04
[13:50] <Ian_Corne> every desktop icon has a V next to it now a green marker
[13:50] <Ian_Corne> weird
[13:50] <ActionParsnip> hakaishi: you need the kernel-headers installin
[13:50] <oldude67> ActionParsnip, did you get my message?
[13:50] <ActionParsnip> oldude67: just hosted a quick meetoing
[13:50] <Ian_Corne> ah it's the "ubuntu one synced" emblem
[13:51] <hakaishi> ActionParsnip: sorry, I don't get it. What do you mean?
[13:51] <ActionParsnip> hakaishi: sudo apt-get install kernel-headers
[13:51] <Stormx2> oldude67: The same applied in every ubuntu version I can remember.
[13:51] <ActionParsnip> !info kernel-headers
[13:52] <Ian_Corne> can't login to the ubuntu one site, anyone any idea?
[13:52] <hakaishi> ActionParsnip: I'll try
[13:52] <ActionParsnip> hakaishi: you need: linux-headers-generic as well as the header for your kernel
[13:52] <ActionParsnip> hakaishi: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`    should pull them in
[13:52] <hakaishi> ActionParsnip: I thought I already installed them
[13:53] <ActionParsnip> hakaishi: possibly it will say if they are
[13:53] <hakaishi> kk
[13:53] <oldude67> now is this reboot issue just with running karmic in virtual environment? or is it with it running as a normal desktop too?
[13:53] <Stormx2> In the new volume systray applet, how can I change how much using my scroll wheel adjusts the volume? I used to be able to do this in the alsa mixer, but the new pulse one doesn't seem to give me a choice
[13:53] <rocky> i just started getting issues with a missing _md5 module in python2.6 (updated karmic today) .... is this a known issue or am i just missing a package or something?
[13:54] <hakaishi> I'll be back
[13:55] <oldude67> rocky, i think i had the same issue, but dont remember what i did to fix it. i might of just updated. not sure slept since then.
[13:55] <mpower_bmw> can i upgrade to kde 4.3.2 in the beta?
[13:56] <rocky> hrm
[13:57] <ActionParsnip> mpower_bmw: find a kde ppa
[13:58] <ActionParsnip> mpower_bmw: gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:58] <oldude67> i should go back to righting things down when they are broke and how to fix them...grr..old age is starting to really suck.
[13:58] <ActionParsnip> mpower_bmw: add this line: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu jaunty main
[13:58] <mpower_bmw> okey
[13:58] <ActionParsnip> mpower_bmw: and this one: deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu jaunty main
[13:58] <mpower_bmw> thanks
[13:58] <mpower_bmw> any reasons to install the beta over 9.04 ? like any significant features
[13:58] <ActionParsnip> mpower_bmw: then run:
[13:58] <ActionParsnip> mpower_bmw: gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv 2836CB0A8AC93F7A; gpg --export --armor 2836CB0A8AC93F7A | sudo apt-key add -
[13:58] <jbeitler> so what is up with the little green check marks next to all the files in Nautilus after the 2.6.31.13 kernel update?
[13:59] <Dr_Willis> mpower_bmw:  so you can help make it better by filing bugs :)
[13:59] <ActionParsnip> mpower_bmw: then run: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[13:59] <Dr_Willis> jbeitler:  a bug with the default theme it seems..
[13:59] <ActionParsnip> mpower_bmw: if you are running karmic, change jaunty to karmic
[13:59] <oldude67> actually for us intel users the kernels in karmic are a blessing over the ones in jaunty.
[14:00] <jbeitler> Dr_Willis: Ahh ok.. I thought maybe it was a new "feature" that let me know my files where there .?.
[14:00] <tonyyarusso> mpower_bmw: "because you're insane".
[14:00] <mpower_bmw> what kernel version is in karmic?
[14:00] <Dr_Willis> jbeitler:  change to a different themd and they vanish i hear
[14:01] <Dr_Willis> image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-13-generic
[14:01] <ActionParsnip> !info linux-image
[14:01] <Dr_Willis> is whaat just got updated here.
[14:01] <jbeitler> Dr_Willis: oh its not a big deal.. I was just wondering what happen
[14:01] <tonyyarusso> The bot is smart enough to change release by channel?  Well done jussi01.
[14:01] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[14:01] <mpower_bmw> can i tell wubi to use a entire partition for linux?
[14:01] <oldude67> hi BluesKaj
[14:02] <Dr_Willis> wubi installs to a 'file' on a windows partition. Im not sure it can use its own partition.
[14:02] <BluesKaj> hi oldude67
[14:02] <jussi01> tonyyarusso: thats dennis's fault I think, but thanks :D
[14:02]  * Dr_Willis avoides wubi like its the plague.
[14:02] <BluesKaj> hi Dr_Willis,, tonyyarusso
[14:02] <Dr_Willis> Howdy
[14:02] <ActionParsnip> mpower_bmw: if wubi expects you to set the space it can use for the install, then why not. Not sure how it will affect the windows OS though, windows likes free space on its partitions or it gets upset
[14:02] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: its is a plague
[14:03] <oldude67> oldude67, avoides partial updates like the plague. :D
[14:03]  * Dr_Willis avoides the plague like its swine flue.
[14:03] <oldude67> lol
[14:03] <BluesKaj> Dr_Willis, wubi worked well on mu laptop for a while , but I took the plunge and installed karmic on a 40G partition .
[14:03]  * ActionParsnip would rather eat a sars bar than use wubi
[14:04] <Dr_Willis> everyone at my house has the flu( normal kind) except me.. because i got my flu shot. :P
[14:04] <Dr_Willis> so I get to take care of them. :(
[14:04] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: yeah we got chesty coughs here, sucks
[14:04] <Dr_Willis> 1 yr old with the flu here.
[14:05] <mpower_bmw> i dont have a kubuntu cd. can i install the os on a separate partition without booting from a cd?
[14:05] <mpower_bmw> any ways?
[14:05] <Dr_Willis> he sounds like a 90 yr old man. :)
[14:05] <Dr_Willis> mpower_bmw:  i  use unetbootin to make bootable usb meaid
[14:05] <Dr_Willis> mpower_bmw:  and install from that
[14:05] <mpower_bmw> i dont have any media. can i install from a iso image somehow
[14:06] <Dr_Willis> just use virtualbox to test it out in.,.much safer that way
[14:06] <ActionParsnip> mpower_bmw: got a 1gb us stick?
[14:06] <BluesKaj> who knows what these rt patches are on the kernels , can the older ones be deleted ?
[14:06] <BluesKaj> grub is filling up with titles again
[14:07] <mpower_bmw> i think there's a way to make vmware use a raw partition on your hard drive and then boot a kubuntu iso image in vmware and make a target install to that partition, and then reboot the pc and boot from that partition..
[14:07] <wekt> if you don't use them, you can uninstal the package, BluesKaj
[14:07] <mpower_bmw> i already have a bootloader in mbr so i think there wont be a booting problem
[14:08] <BluesKaj> wekt, are they actual kernels or just fixes attached to the kernels ?
[14:09] <mpower_bmw> is 1gb ram enough for daily use of karmic ?
[14:09] <wekt> sounds like kernels.  if you see them in the grub boot list, they are (or should be).  there are only 2 entries per kernel.
[14:10] <joaopinto> mpower_bmw, yes
[14:10] <robin0800> wekt you can run computer janitor to remove them
[14:10] <wekt> & since you see the rt kernels, i guess you are using the media distro of ubuntu
[14:10] <wekt> thanks for the tip, robin0800
[14:13] <BluesKaj> mpower_bmw, yes it should be plenty
[14:13] <mpower_bmw> is it better to upgrade to 9.10 from 9.04 or just use a fresh install of 9.10 beta?
[14:14] <BluesKaj> robin0800, computer janitor?
[14:15] <icebear1981> kann mir jemand weiterhelfen ? hab ein fujitsu siemens amilo M1439G und nach dem Update geht kein Sound mehr Nicht über Alsa/Oss/Puleaudio oder was auch immer
[14:15] <robin0800> mpower_bmw: if you can do a clean install I would do that
[14:15] <joaopinto> !de | icebear1981
[14:16] <icebear1981> Sorry in the German Chanel nobody is answring
[14:16] <joaopinto> icebear1981, so keep it english here
[14:16] <robin0800> BluesKaj: !Computer Janitor
[14:16] <icebear1981> My problem is that ater upgrade and dist upgrade ther was no sound anymore
[14:17] <icebear1981> cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [Intel          ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
[14:17] <icebear1981>                       HDA Intel at 0xfebf8000 irq 16
[14:17] <robin0800> !Computer Janitor
[14:18] <icebear1981> I have no sound on my Speakers and also no sound on my headset
[14:18] <BluesKaj> !Computer Janitor
[14:19] <icebear1981> I have currently installed Linux icebear1981-laptop 2.6.31-13-generic #44-Ubuntu SMP Sat Oct 10 15:27:55 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[14:19] <BluesKaj> man the bots are useless this morning
[14:19] <jetsaredim> is there any way to troubleshoot a "network error" in empathy?
[14:19] <robin0800> BluesKaj: its in my menu under system/administration
[14:21] <BluesKaj> robin0800, I'm on KDE , but i don't see it anywhere
[14:21] <edgy> Hi, I have ati with fglrx installed and gnome works well but kde is very very slow
[14:21] <robin0800> BluesKaj: perhaps its gnome then?
[14:22] <BluesKaj> yup seems so
[14:22] <tgpraveen> !info computer-janitor
[14:22] <tgpraveen> BluesKaj: ^^ :)
[14:23] <robin0800> BluesKaj: you could always install it I think
[14:23] <jetsaredim> do all of the desktop integration features still work if I install pidgin rather than empathy?
[14:23] <elumbella> most of them i think
[14:24] <elumbella> it works with the indicator-applet at least
[14:24] <BluesKaj> robin0800, no biggie , I can use synaptic or adept to remove the titles if need be , once grub menu gets too long to see my W7 partition Iusually clean house.
[14:24] <icebear1981> Could anyonbe Help me with my Sound Problems ? I have an AMILO M1439G
[14:24] <Dr_Willis> BluesKaj:  you can set grub2 to use a higher res screen for its display :) and customuize its  background
[14:25] <mac_v> !details | icebear1981
[14:25] <icebear1981> I had given details but a few rows ago but nobody aswered ... so once again I have currently installed Linux icebear1981-laptop 2.6.31-13-generic #44-Ubuntu SMP Sat Oct 10 15:27:55 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[14:26] <icebear1981> After Updating to that version the sound doend play anymore
[14:26] <icebear1981> asound seems to play but no sound
[14:27] <icebear1981> alsamixer shows no muted channels
[14:27] <oldude67> icebear1981, have you tried to do alsa reload?
[14:28] <BluesKaj> Dr_Willis, yes, I haven't reset the res but i have a tga file picture as a background.
[14:28] <icebear1981> is there a difference between restart and reload ? or is it the same ?
[14:28] <joaopinto> jetsaredim, which desktop integration features ? Pidgin is not properlu integrated with gnome, that was a main factor for empathy's adoption...
[14:28] <oldude67> icebear1981, dont think you can do a restart, i think it got switched to reload.
[14:28] <joaopinto> with pidgin you will get, pidgin...
[14:28] <jetsaredim> joaopinto, I can't seem to get one of my important xmpp accounts working
[14:29] <joaopinto> jetsaredim, what's the error ?
[14:29] <joaopinto> empathy is still a big buggy :P
[14:29] <jetsaredim> and i need to find a way to switch the chat display back to not having headings over each entry
[14:30] <jetsaredim> joaopinto, just "network error"
[14:30] <icebear1981> i could only do /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart if i tell him reload he bringss up Usage: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils {start [CARD]|stop [CARD]|restart [CARD]|reset [CARD]}
[14:30] <mac_v> is there a command to remove the emblem "ubuntuone-synchronized" from my system? both my / and /home all files and folders show the emblem :/
[14:30] <jetsaredim> that's part of the problem - how do I even troubleshoot that
[14:30] <joaopinto> jetsaredim, check http://live.gnome.org/Empathy/Debugging
[14:30] <oldude67> icebear1981, in terminal if you just type alsa reload it should just reload it.
[14:31] <jetsaredim> ok cool - will do that
[14:31] <joaopinto> I was able to figure a bug on empathy using the debug instructions, it's quite verbose, and you usually can figure something from a python traceback
[14:31] <jetsaredim> i also really need to find out how to change the chat window display back to being basic
[14:31] <oldude67> icebear1981, but see if sound is working now anyways.
[14:31] <tgpraveen> mac_v:  known bug
[14:31] <tgpraveen> being worked on I think
[14:31] <mac_v> tgpraveen: bug# ?
[14:31] <jetsaredim> o - also - in 9.04 I was able to use the scroll of my mouse to switch desktops
[14:32] <jetsaredim> is that configurable somewhere
[14:32] <tgpraveen> mac_v: don't know. but I am guessing wont' be hard to find in Lp
[14:32] <icebear1981> also the same problem .. no sound
[14:32] <icebear1981> cat /proc/asound/cards brings following output :
[14:32] <icebear1981>  0 [Intel          ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
[14:32] <icebear1981>                       HDA Intel at 0xfebf8000 irq 16
[14:32]  * mac_v was lazy and tgpraveen realized it ;p damn it !
[14:33] <oldude67> icebear1981, ok try killall pulseaudio, rm -rf , alt f2 then pulseaudio and see if it helps...
[14:33] <tgpraveen> mac_v:  heh lemme
[14:33] <tgpraveen> search it for you 1 min
[14:33] <oldude67> icebear1981, please dont flood the channel. use pastebin.com please
[14:35] <icebear1981> nothing changed .. also no sound... flooding ? i read i should yous that if there are more than 3 rows ?
[14:35] <tgpraveen> mac_v: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-client/+bug/450112
[14:36] <oldude67> icebear1981, last post from u was atleast 4 , when pasting things like that please use pastebin.
[14:36] <mac_v> tgpraveen: thanks ... i was just reading it :)
[14:36]  * mac_v searched too ;)
[14:37] <oldude67> icebear1981, well if that didnt help then you need to talk to someone that mores about the issues with pulse and alsa.
[14:37] <icebear1981> sry .. i hat copy&pasted 3 but with the one before thats 4 right
[14:38] <oldude67> icebear1981, have you tried logging out and back and as well sometimes i had to do that as well.
[14:38] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[14:38] <oldude67> hey ActionParsnip
[14:38] <icebear1981> Iǘe seen there is also no Audio in /System/Admin...-.
[14:38] <jetsaredim> joaopinto, is there a place to get specific empathy support?
[14:40] <icebear1981> thanks .... I have an other Problem, too . If I change to Console by Alt+Ctrl F1.....F6 there is only a black screen
[14:40] <tgpraveen> jetsaredim: #telepathy
[14:40] <hakaishi> ActionParsnip: It's me again...
[14:41] <hakaishi> ActionParsnip: there were updates for the kernels and headers. But the Problem still exists
[14:42] <icebear1981> I'm now going to log out and come back then
[14:43] <oldude67> man my vbox xp has been doing a virus check now for almost 7 hours and there isnt hardly anything installed on it but the phone..ugh...grr..i hate windblows.
[14:44] <ActionParsnip> hey oldude67
[14:45] <icebear1981> @oldude67: after loging out and logon nothing haschanged :-(
[14:45] <mpower_bmw> hey, i cant install kubuntu 9.10 amd64 with wubi
[14:45] <mpower_bmw> 0-13 16:44 DEBUG  CommonBackend: Searching for local ISO
[14:45] <mpower_bmw> 10-13 16:44 DEBUG  Distro:   checking Kubuntu ISO D:\kubuntu-9.10-beta-desktop-amd64.iso
[14:45] <mpower_bmw> 10-13 16:44 DEBUG  Distro:     does not contain casper\initrd.gz
[14:45] <mpower_bmw> 10-13 16:44 DEBUG  CommonBackend: Could not find any ISO or CD, downloading one now
[14:45] <mpower_bmw> 10-13 16:44 DEBUG  TaskList: New task get_metalink
[14:45] <ActionParsnip> oldude67: XP is quite punchy. What data amount is there? You can make it faster by deleting temp stuff and old files from windows updates
[14:45] <mpower_bmw> 10-13 16:44 DEBUG  TaskList: ### Running get_metalink...
[14:45] <mpower_bmw> 10-13 16:44 DEBUG  downloader: downloading releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/9.04/kubuntu-9.04-desktop-i386.metalink > D:\ubuntu\install
[14:45] <mpower_bmw> 10-13 16:44 ERROR  CommonBackend: Cannot download metalink file
[14:45] <joaopinto> !pastebin | mpower_bmw
[14:46] <oldude67> mpower_bmw, quit flooding the room
[14:46] <joaopinto> ActionParsnip, could you move windows support to ##windows :) ?
[14:46] <oldude67> ActionParsnip, its just a plain install for my phone i havent even added the first thing to it other then that and windblows updates..
[14:47] <oldude67> joaopinto, my bad was just complaining.
[14:47] <oldude67> joaopinto, atleast we didnt flood the room.
[14:48] <joaopinto> oldude67, actually you did, if you count the off topic lines :)
[14:48] <dphase> anyone receiving a 'mountall: symbol lookup error' after restart?
[14:48] <oldude67> nope not yet
[14:48] <oldude67> :D
[14:48] <icebear1981> @oldude67: after loging out and logon nothing haschanged :-(  could i reinstall the soundsystem completely ?
[14:48] <joaopinto> aren't we get more breakage than usual for a post beta phase ?
[14:49] <joaopinto> getting
[14:49] <hakaishi> Even if I customize the fstab, all paritions will be mounted nontheless
[14:49] <Stormx2> Hi guys. Trying to sort out my insanely slow boot time (something like 10x longer than my windows 7 boot). Bootchart is here: http://simimg.com/157rb. The install is an upgrade from 9.04, which was installed fresh about 6 months ago
[14:49] <oldude67> joaopinto, considering it should be released next month you would figure it would be more stable.
[14:50] <oldude67> icebear1981, you might want to ask  your question again and see if anyone else may have an answer..im out of ideas myself.
[14:50] <icebear1981> ok thanks ;-)
[14:50] <jetsaredim> was it really all that important to switch the default im client to empathy rather than pidgin?
[14:51] <dotblank> wow.. just updated.. really like where 9.10 is going
[14:51] <icebear1981> i try i woult do that later cause in a few minutes i have to go working ;-)
[14:51] <oldude67> jetsaredim, i havent played around with empathy much just installed it last night and so far i dont like it at all.
[14:51] <hakaishi> does anyone know why the fstab options are being ignored?
[14:51] <tgpraveen> jetsaredim: yes it was. to be able to use telepathy framework in the various apps for one.
[14:51] <tgpraveen> + several sevaral other reasons
[14:51] <joaopinto> jetsaredim, yes, and that enough debate already, but  empathy is not yet  suitable for everybody
[14:51] <edgy> Hi, I have ati with fglrx installed and gnome works well but kde is very very slow even typing is slow http://pastebin.ca/1617740
[14:51] <jetsaredim> oldude67: yes i agree
[14:52] <tgpraveen> yeah but think of the joy for people who can now video chat on a nice protocol that people actually use
[14:52] <hakaishi> nobody?
[14:53] <oldude67> joaopinto, and i understand the why, just think its still to buggy for use yet. maybe after they work on it more it might get better.
[14:53] <hakaishi> ahh... I'm being ignored -.-
[14:53] <oldude67> hakaishi, not being ignored just dont know.
[14:53] <joaopinto> oldude67, making it default helps detecting bugs ;)
[14:54] <dumbby> !grub2
[14:54] <hakaishi> okay
[14:54] <joaopinto> !patience | hakaishi
[14:54] <oldude67> joaopinto, default for what desktop?
[14:54] <joaopinto> oldude67, default for ubuntu ?
[14:54] <joaopinto> bbl
[14:55] <hakaishi> ActionParsnip: Is there any manual way to make the nvidia modul work?
[14:55] <jetsaredim> hakaishi: did you re-mount?
[14:55] <ActionParsnip> hakaishi: you need to make the dkms step run so the module for your kernel gets made
[14:55] <ActionParsnip> hakaishi: you need the kernel headers for your kernel
[14:55] <mpower_bmw> how can i install kubuntu 9.10 with wubi on xp ? each time it gives me a error Error ocurred : coercing to Unicode : need string or buffer, NoneType found (after checking the files)
[14:55] <hakaishi> ActionParsnip: I already installed all
[14:56] <hakaishi> jetsaredim: I just rebooted and they were mounted...
[14:56] <ActionParsnip> hakaishi: may help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6026389
[14:56] <hakaishi> ActionParsnip: thanks
[14:57] <CShadowRun> Trying to install karmic alternate from the daily, it's brought up a menu asking me to "Choose the next step in the install process", and has Install grub selected, l press enter, it says "Installing the grub boot loader, then goes back to choose next step?
[14:57] <ActionParsnip> hakaishi: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-generic; sudo apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-180-kernel-source
[14:57] <ActionParsnip> CShadowRun: did you md5 test the ISO you downloaded? Did you run the CD verifier once initially booted to?
[14:58] <ActionParsnip> hakaishi: use the 180 drive in the guide instead of 177
[14:58] <CShadowRun> ActionParsnip, nope, guess i'll do that
[14:58] <hakaishi> ActionParsnip: like I said linux-headers-generic is already installed
[14:59] <ActionParsnip> hakaishi: ok then you'll need the nvidia kernel source
[14:59] <mpower_bmw> how can i install kubuntu 9.10 with wubi on xp ? each time it gives me a error Error ocurred : coercing to Unicode : need string or buffer, NoneType found (after checking the files)
[14:59] <hakaishi> ActionParsnip: I'll look into it. thanks
[15:00] <ActionParsnip> hakaishi: this may help, it has the 185 driver on (and the beta 190) http://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/08/how-to-install-nvidia-190xx-drivers-in.html
[15:00] <ActionParsnip> hakaishi: works a treat
[15:01] <ActionParsnip> hakaishi: simply change jaunty for karmic
[15:01] <hakaishi> cool, this looks good
[15:02] <ActionParsnip> hakaishi: if you see a dkms stage running, you have won
[15:02] <dumbby> how do i switch grub2 back to grub ?
[15:02] <hakaishi> ActionParsnip: Okay, I'll be back
[15:03] <BluesKaj> !grub2
[15:03] <BluesKaj> !grub 2
[15:03] <CShadowRun> ActionParsnip, The CD-ROM integrity test was successful. The CD-ROM is valid.
[15:03] <mpower_bmw> how can i install kubuntu 9.10 with wubi on xp ? each time it gives me a error Error ocurred : coercing to Unicode : need string or buffer, NoneType found (after checking the files)
[15:04] <ActionParsnip> CShadowRun: ok good, you should check BEFORE attempting an install. Bad disk make a bad install
[15:04] <ActionParsnip> mpower_bmw: download and MD5 test the karmic ISO and place it in the same folder as the Karmic wubi file (also which has been MD5 tested)
[15:05] <mpower_bmw> i am using the wubi option from the deamon tools mounted karmic image
[15:05] <CShadowRun> ActionParsnip, hehe
[15:05] <CShadowRun> ActionParsnip, on the other hand i did have this disk say it had bad files earlier
[15:05] <CShadowRun> so it confuses me
[15:06] <CShadowRun> i'll burn a fresh copy and integrity check, then install
[15:06] <CShadowRun> see how that goes.
[15:06] <eagles0513875> hey guys
[15:06] <ActionParsnip> CShadowRun: thats why the checks exist
[15:06] <eagles0513875> !kernel
[15:09] <kuttans> Hii everybody, anyone using acer aspire + the problem im facing is regarding the display.  Im using karmic with latest updates till now.  What happens is the screen goes haywire from the start of the system. the letters will blur and the whole screen will be of grains.  When i shake the screen then it will get ok and fine. anyone facing the same type of problem??
[15:10] <rob0> Sounds like my Etch-a-sketch.
[15:10] <Ian_Corne> idd :p
[15:12] <BluesKaj> kuttans, you have a scrn hardware problem ,nothing to do with karmic afaik
[15:12] <Ian_Corne> kuttans: boot a 9.04 live stick/cd to make sure
[15:13] <kuttans> why i thought it may be bcoz of ubuntu is that, when i was using vista or xp the problem never came
[15:13] <kuttans> it started after i used jaunty and now with karmic.
[15:13] <Ian_Corne> kuttans: and does it do it in xp now?
[15:14] <kuttans> no
[15:14] <Ian_Corne> you've check?
[15:14] <Ian_Corne> checked*
[15:14] <kuttans> i was having a dual boot sometime back, i.e a month and half back
[15:14] <kuttans> now i removed the xp and completely into ubuntu
[15:14] <wirechief_> what is 'invalid environment block' from grub when i select karmic to boot from /
[15:15] <Ian_Corne> so you don't actually know if its the case in windows or not..
[15:15] <jonathan_> hello!
[15:15] <Ian_Corne> it seems very unrealistic that it's a software problem kuttans
[15:15] <Ian_Corne> especially because if you shake it, it works better
[15:15] <jonathan_> since the upgrade to 9.10, i can't start songbird anymore. Trying to start it in terminal gives this error:
[15:15] <jonathan_> ././songbird-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/gst-0.10/gst/_gst.so: undefined symbol: gst_task_pool_get_type
[15:15] <jonathan_> Could not initialize GStreamer: Error re-scanning registry , child terminated by signal
[15:16] <jonathan_> Any Ideas whats wrong?
[15:16] <wekt> What software can simultaneously save an ogg stream to disk and play it?
[15:16] <wirechief_> '////
[15:16] <kuttans> yeah i too agree with that, logically it sholdnt be a software one, but i wanna  be sure that im the only one getting this before i call acer hw techs to look at my laptop
[15:16] <ircmaxell> Has anyone else noticed a major delay (about 3 hours or so) with installation at 83%, but only when using "Install Ubuntu" from the boot menu (Installing from the live environment works as expected)...? (I'm on a Lenovo T61p with 4gb, NVidia discrete graphics and 250gb hdd)...
[15:18] <wirechief_> ircmaxell i had a similar experience, its with configuring apt i think
[15:18] <BluesKaj> !konq-kim
[15:18] <ircmaxell> It could be the hardware too, cause Fedora 11 took well over an hour to install as well (and was almost unusable once installed)...  9.10 Beta works nice, once installed...
[15:19] <ActionParsnip> ircmaxell: did you md5 test your iso? did you verify the install cd?
[15:19] <wirechief_> however i believe it was with karmic remix that i experienced the problem but on both install from the desktop and the install from grub
[15:19] <ircmaxell> yes ActionParsnip, it verified...
[15:20] <ActionParsnip> ircmaxell: ok thats good, could try bootoptions
[15:20] <ActionParsnip> !bootoptions | ircmaxell
[15:20] <wirechief_> and i submitted a bug and was told it was being fixed, my karmic was of oct 7th
[15:20] <ircmaxell> I'll try it tonight...
[15:20] <wekt> ircmaxell: i have not seen it
[15:21] <ircmaxell> Like I said before, it works fine if you click the install from the live env...  It's just the native install that's slow as anything...
[15:21] <kuttans> anyway guys i will try to get in touch with a acer tech,thx for the help
[15:22] <wirechief_> getting 'invalid environment block when i try to boot karmic, did i make it sick ?
[15:24] <ircmaxell> Thanks, I'll play with the boot options on the installer, and if I find anything useful, I'll drop a bug report on it...
[15:26] <MichRT> Hello my fellow Karmic users. This may be a stupid question, but I have never run into it before; How do you "Show menu bar" in the Terminal once you hide it?
[15:26] <Dr_Willis> try F11 ?
[15:26] <MichRT> Forget it, just had to restart terminal
[15:26] <MichRT> thanx though
[15:27] <Dr_Willis> err.. ya right click  and it shows the show menubar checkbox/toggle
[15:27] <Dr_Willis> :P
[15:28] <MichRT> Another question; I use NVidia X Server Settings to change my resolution. For some reason, I can't save my changes to the X Config file, and every time I restart, It goes back to 1024x768.
[15:29] <ircmaxell> As a side note, can anyone recommend a music player that DOESN'T base itself on storing musinc in a library?  All of my music is on a NFS share, and since it's a laptop it won't always be accessable (I keep a subset on a portable hdd)...  I don't want to rebuild the library each and every time I take the laptop away from home (As Amarok and Rhythmbox do)...
[15:29] <MichRT> ircmaxell: VLC
[15:30] <MichRT> Anyone? For some reason, I can't save my changes to the X Config file, and every time I restart, It goes back to 1024x768.
[15:30] <MichRT> I use NVidia X Server settings
[15:30] <ircmaxell> I couldn't get VLC to work last time I tried (as a UPNP player, not a generic music player)
[15:31] <ircmaxell> but I'll give it a go...
[15:31] <wekt> it plays files.
[15:31] <MichRT> Try songbird. Just tell it where to look, folder view, and not to refresh
[15:31] <ActionParsnip> !player | ircmaxell
[15:32] <MichRT> Question; I use NVidia X Server Settings to change my resolution. For some reason, I can't save my changes to the X Config file, and every time I restart, It goes back to 1024x768.
[15:32] <CShadowRun> (I've broken most of those)
[15:32] <ActionParsnip> MichRT: run: gksudo nvidia-settings    select the res you want then select "Write to X config file"
[15:32] <MichRT> Thanx Actionparsnip. will give it a go
[15:32] <ircmaxell> I know which ones exist, just seeing if anyone had any significant experience...  I'll give songbird a shot...  Thanks again
[15:32] <wekt> rezound	& gnomoradio i would add to that list
[15:33] <CShadowRun> MichRT, yea it has to be ran as root, they really should have made the menu shortcut be gksudo'd
[15:33] <ActionParsnip> CShadowRun: you can change it in alacarte if you wish
[15:33] <CShadowRun> wekt exaile can record shoutcast streams
[15:33] <CShadowRun> ActionParsnip, yea, i know :)
[15:34] <MichRT> But when I run it, it says: "Failed to parse existing X config file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'"
[15:34] <wekt> thanks CShadowRun. i had given up on an answer.
[15:34] <wekt> MichRT: can you just remove it?
[15:34] <MichRT> remove what?
[15:35] <dkagedal> Hi, I want to konw why someone took away my function keys in a recent upgrade. When I press F9 - F12 I get XF86AudioMute and XF86Eject and stuff I never asked for.
[15:35] <CShadowRun> wekt np :)
[15:35] <wekt> move xorg.conf out of the way. it is often not necessary
[15:35] <CShadowRun> wekt failing that i bet you could run winamp and streamripper in wine
[15:35] <MichRT> Terminal says this: VALIDATION ERROR:  Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
[15:35] <MichRT> Undefined Device "(null)" referenced by Screen "Default Screen".
[15:35] <wekt> i think this computer is too weak for wine
[15:36] <CShadowRun> wekt huh? wine doesn't take any power itself
[15:36] <CShadowRun> it's just a compatibility layer
[15:36] <CShadowRun> i've ran wine apps on a debian server with 64mb ram and no X server
[15:37] <CShadowRun> if your system requirements are enough to run winamp in windows, then they are enough for wine, or wine has a bug :)
[15:37] <spawn57> hi, how do I change my network connection from dhcp to static in kubuntu?
[15:38] <ActionParsnip> spawn57: use knetworkmanager
[15:38] <Daskreech> Hello I'm trying to use the failsafe to login
[15:38] <MichRT> But when I run it, it says: "Failed to parse existing X config file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'"
[15:38] <Daskreech> It's kicking me back out to the KDM is there a known issue ?
[15:39] <bjsnider> MichRT, what's the native resolution of your monitor?
[15:39] <spawn57> ActionParsnip: I tried that.. added a new wired connection but that still doesn't help
[15:39] <ActionParsnip> MichRT: run: sudo nvidia-xconfig    and restart x, then try again
[15:40] <MichRT> The native res. is 1024x768, but 1280x1024 always works fine.
[15:40] <ActionParsnip> spawn57: you can sack of all network managers and define the network in /etc/network/interfaces   if you wish, makes bootup faster as you dont have to wait for knetwork manager to load
[15:40] <bjsnider> MichRT, what is the monitor being driven at now?
[15:40] <spawn57> ActionParsnip: that sounds better.  Do i just kill knetwor manager then?
[15:40] <spawn57> ActionParsnip: as in apt-get remove knetworkmanager?
[15:41] <ActionParsnip> spawn57: you can remove it from startup with bum, or just uninstall it if you never want to see it again
[15:41] <akio> apparently the system beep behavior has changed
[15:41] <MichRT> It is at 1280x1024, but when I restart X, it goes to 1024x768. Trying ActionParsnip's Idea now. see ya in a bit.
[15:41] <bjsnider> then it is at its native res
[15:41] <ActionParsnip> spawn57: this will help: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-network-interfaces-file/
[15:41] <spawn57> bum sounds better
[15:42] <spawn57> thanks ActionParsnip
[15:42] <akio> can anyone clue me in on how to disable the new system beep?
[15:42] <Daskreech> in ~/.xsession-errors I get the message x-terminal-emulator: Fatal IO error: client killed
[15:42] <ActionParsnip> akio: sudo rmmod pcspkr
[15:42] <akio> pcspkr isn't loaded
[15:43] <boondoklife> I did an update this morning and now everything in my home dir has a green check mark in the top right? Properties says it has something to do with ubuntuone but i never setup a sync of that nature?
[15:43] <akio> and I blacklisted pcspkr
[15:44] <boondoklife> akio: use alsamixer
[15:44] <legend2440> boondoklife: same here
[15:44] <Technoviking> anyone else corrupted tty terminal when hitting ctrl-alt-F1 thru F6
[15:44] <boondoklife> akio: set the speaker to MM and then got out of it, then run sudo alsactl store
[15:44] <CShadowRun> Technoviking, me
[15:45] <boondoklife> akio: finally to make it stay after a reboot, put alsactl restore in your /etc/rc.local
[15:45] <akio> boondoklife, thanks
[15:45] <boondoklife> akio: I had the same issue and it killed my mic array to
[15:46] <neoTheCat> i updated my desktop to 9.10, everything is fine. but on my laptop, firefox is complaining about the old version of sqlite.  i tried deleting my profile, reinstalling, nothing worked.
[15:46] <neoTheCat> i do have the latest sqlite instead (same version as my desktop, where it's working)
[15:48] <Technoviking> CShadowRun: Found the bug: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/447692
[15:48] <MichRT> ActionParsnip: Now, when I enable Compiz, I don't have Window borders!! But my Res does stay, But Compiz is more Important!
[15:49] <mbeierl> MichRT: is "window decorations" enabled in your compiz config settings?
[15:49] <CShadowRun> Technoviking, :)
[15:49] <coz_> hey guys... scsi system and the last several versions of ubuntu drop to   initramfs  when booting..at which point I type  "exit" and it boots normally..then I can edit /boot/grub/menu.lst  and add  rootdealy=40 to the kernel stanza..however with grub2 , and the reading I have done about grub2  I cannot find a way to add the rootdelay... any suggestions would be appreciated
[15:49] <coz_> darn it
[15:49] <coz_> let me try that again
[15:49] <MichRT> I don't know, but now it won't even let me enable Compiz!
[15:49] <coz_> I have a scsi system that drops to initramfs  when booting
[15:50] <coz_> MichRT,  which video card?
[15:50] <MichRT> coz_ NVidia 6600 GT AGP 4x
[15:51] <coz_> MichRT,  ok  are you sure the window decoration plugin is enabled?
[15:51] <MichRT> I have NEVER had this problem until I backed up and wrote a new xorg file in terminal
[15:51] <legend2440> Technoviking: i have same tty console bug. removing word  "splash" from /etc/default/grub and then running  sudo update-grub' got my tty's working again
[15:51] <MichRT> Yes, It is. But now it wont even let me enable compiz
[15:51] <bjsnider> MichRT, pastebin your xorg.conf file
[15:52] <MichRT> pastebin?
[15:52] <coz_> MichRT,  oh ok...did you install the nvidia driver manually or with  hardware driver option?
[15:52] <MichRT> hardware driver option. 96.43.13
[15:52] <CShadowRun> Lol, i give up trying to install karmic for now
[15:52] <CShadowRun> i've tried 3 diffrent discs, 2 downloads
[15:52] <CShadowRun> none of them boot :(
[15:52]  * CShadowRun installs jaunty
[15:52] <bjsnider> MichRT, wrong driver
[15:52] <coz_> MichRT,  ok you might try running  nvidia-xconfig then restart x
[15:52] <bjsnider> MichRT, use the 185 driver
[15:52] <MichRT> Thats what I ran, and now this!
[15:53] <coz_> MichRT,  oh!
[15:53] <MichRT> nvidia-xconfig
[15:53] <CShadowRun> infact, i'll jaunty then update to karmic, that works lol
[15:53] <bjsnider> that command is
[15:53] <coz_> MichRT,  where there errors with that?
[15:53] <bjsnider> oh am i tired of pointing this out
[15:53] <bjsnider> never use the nvidia-xconfig command
[15:53] <coz_> MichRT,  which driver version?
[15:53] <coz_> MichRT,  bjsnider  may have a point
[15:54] <MichRT> I guess not coz_, but I restarted, and my resolution was 1280x1024 (perfect) but no Compiz.
[15:54] <Daskreech> MichRT: use Mutter :)
[15:54] <MichRT> But I've always used the 96 driver
[15:54] <MichRT> Mutter?
[15:54] <coz_> MichRT,  mm  well that is an older driver for the card you have
[15:54] <bjsnider> MichRT, the 6600 is comp;atible with the 185 driver
[15:54] <MichRT> Then how do I change drivers?
[15:54] <coz_> MichRT,  I would go into hardware drivers  remove that then install the more up to date driver
[15:54] <Daskreech> CShadowRun: Install a server install of Jaunty then run sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[15:55] <rob0> Hello mutter, hello fodder, I am here at Camp Granodder!
[15:55] <Daskreech> rob0: lol
[15:55] <MichRT> trying..
[15:55] <CShadowRun> Daskreech, i don't have a server disc, so using a desktop instead :)
[15:55] <kankan_> is the intel graphics problem solved?
[15:56] <legend2440> boondoklife: i just spoke with a developer in channel #ubuntuone and he said the ubuntuone checmarks are a known bug and that there is already a fix. theywill be releasing the fix soon
[15:57] <MichRT> Removing 96 driver..... Installing 185 driver... will tell yall how it goes. thanx!
[15:57] <ubox> any news on resume from suspend working properl?
[15:57] <MichRT> HELP!!!!! Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/restricted/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers-180/nvidia-glx-185_185.18.36-0ubuntu3_i386.deb 404  Not Found
[15:58] <MichRT> coz_ bjsnider
[15:58] <coz_> ooo
[15:58] <coz_> MichRT,  are there other driver options in hardware driver?
[15:58] <boondoklife> legend2440: Thanks
[15:58] <coz_> MichRT, other than the 96
[15:59] <MichRT> Ya, 175 (older) and 195
[15:59] <coz_> MichRT,  try the 195
[15:59] <boondoklife> legend2440: Is there a site that shows the changes and what all they do in the updates?
[15:59] <tankdriver> wieder da
[15:59] <MichRT> same thing happend! And I am connected to the internet
[16:00] <bjsnider> Muchit's 0ubuntu5, not 3. 3 is old. update your apt cache
[16:00] <legend2440> boondoklife: yes i think there is. not sure where though
[16:00] <boondoklife> legend2440: ok thanks
[16:00] <MichRT> reinstalling 96 driver..
[16:00] <hakaishi> ach, hier gibt es auch welche die Deutsch sprechen?
[16:00] <james_w> hi all
[16:00] <elumbella> jup
[16:00] <james_w> is anyone able to reliably reproduce the hang when entering your password in to a policykit dialog?
[16:01] <bjsnider> MichRT,  0ubuntu5, not 3. 3 is old. update your apt cache
[16:01] <james_w> say when using software-center
[16:01] <MichRT> okay. sudo apt-get update.
[16:02] <hakaishi> weiß jemand was darüber, warum die Optionen der fstab ignoriert werden? - Soll heißen, warum trotz noauto alle Partitionen gemountet werden (nach dem Systemstart)?
[16:02] <phnom> Is there any way to change where the notifications pop up?
[16:02] <wekt> james_w: no
[16:03] <wekt> !hal|hakaishi
[16:04] <bjsnider> that should be "deprecated" not "depreciated"
[16:05] <coz_> any problems uninstalling grub2 and installing grub legacy?
[16:05] <bjsnider> there are always problems with everything
[16:06] <bjsnider> so assume yes
[16:06] <hakaishi> ubottu:  I can't see why hal has something to do with automount
[16:06] <coz_> bjsnider, that sounds fair enough :)
[16:06] <hakaishi> wekt: I can't see why hal has something to do with automount
[16:07] <wekt> hakaishi: hal is used by the desktop processes for automounting. i don't know what within the desktop does it.
[16:07] <bjsnider> hakasread the info on devicekit to find out why
[16:07] <coz_> be back in a bit
[16:09] <hakaishi> okay, does someone know howto work around it?
[16:10] <kankan_> "desktop efefects could not be enabled"
[16:11] <kankan_> anyone help me pls.
[16:12] <hakaishi> okay, then I'll ignore that stupid hal bug
[16:13] <hakaishi> kankan_: what graphiccard do you have?
[16:13] <kankan_> intel motherboard..no external graphics card
[16:13] <hakaishi> urgh...
[16:14] <hakaishi> kankan_:  do you know what graphic-chip it has?
[16:14] <hakaishi> ati/nvidia?
[16:15] <kankan_> hakaishi:how to check that??
[16:15] <kankan_> ati
[16:16] <dkagedal> How very annoying. My binding of M-S-F10 (alt-shift-F10) no longer works either
[16:16] <hakaishi> if its ati you should install the driver ...
[16:16] <hakaishi> try system->administration->hardware drivers
[16:16] <dkagedal> I guess I'll have to reset my shortcuts it to those silly XF86 bindings.
[16:16] <dkagedal> But there must be a way to produce F10 on this keyboard?
[16:17] <ubox> kankan_ check like this, lspci | grep VGA
[16:17] <kankan_> no proprietary driver are in use
[16:17] <hakaishi> kankan_: you should install one^^
[16:18] <kankan_> hakaishi:"00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01)"
[16:19] <kankan_> that was the output of command
[16:21] <kankan_> hakaishi:
[16:22] <Daskreech> CShadowRun: Boo :) That takes way longer
[16:22] <CShadowRun> Daskreech, hehe
[16:22] <hakaishi> hmm... my notebook also has a intel graphic device, but it works out-of-the-box
[16:23] <kankan_> hakaishi:can you help me?
[16:24] <hakaishi> kankan_: try system->prefereces->appearance
[16:25] <hakaishi> kankan_: and then visual effects
[16:25] <kankan_> hakaishi:desktop effects could not be enabled
[16:26] <hakaishi> kankan_: then I don't know sorry -.-
[16:27] <hakaishi> I have to go shopping. See you all^^
[16:28] <kankan_>  "desktop efefects could not be enabled"
[16:28] <kankan_> anyone know why??
[16:29] <ubox> because you do not have your 3d enabled drivers for your video card
[16:29] <ubox> nor do i
[16:29] <ubox> what was that chipset you have?
[16:31] <Daskreech> bug 281950
[16:31] <ubox> kankan, see here for your driver
[16:31] <ubox> http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&ProductID=865&DwnldID=8203&strOSs=39&OSFullName=Linux*&lang=eng
[16:33] <ubox> kankan_?
[16:37] <kankan_> ubox:the link is not opening..
[16:37] <ubox> right click then select open?
[16:38] <ubox> i had to do that for links in xchat
[16:38] <kankan_> Server too busy
[16:38] <kankan_> Sorry, your request cannot be serviced at this time. Please try again later.
[16:38] <ubox> works for me, twice now\
[16:38] <kankan_> its giving this message..
[16:39] <kankan_> ubox:ok..i'll download the driver..then??what to ?
[16:41] <ubox> kankan_ did you get my pm?
[16:42] <kankan_> got it..
[16:44] <ubox> ok good :)
[16:45] <iamleneko> hi everybody
[16:46] <ubox> hello
[16:47] <iamleneko> i want to upgrade to karmic ... i hope it fix all my intel chipset slowness problems
[16:47] <iamleneko> do some of you use  karmic now as their main os ?
[16:48] <ubox> i do
[16:48] <ubox> i have only two problems
[16:48] <iamleneko> i did give it a try on some virtualbox machine, that seem to work pretty good, but not sure if it would break my installation on my main machine
[16:48] <hifi> kmplayer does not depend on mplayer
[16:48] <iamleneko> what ?
[16:49] <iamleneko> ubottu, what kind of problems ?
[16:49] <ubox> 1st is an issue with policy kit that affects kpackagekit, it is unusable, but apt aptitude still work
[16:49] <iamleneko> ubox i mean ahah
[16:49] <ubox> lol
[16:49] <ubox> and 2nd
[16:49] <abhinav> Is suspend/hibernate working with nvidia on laptops (lenovo t61 or similar) ?
[16:49] <ubox> is suspend resume
[16:49] <ubox> well, more so resume from suspend
[16:49] <iamleneko> kpackagekit is some kde software ?
[16:50] <ubox> abhinav, we will see after i get my restricted drivers installed
[16:50] <ubox> kapackagekit is the add/remove programs thing in kde
[16:50] <ubox> the gnome one works fine
[16:50] <iamleneko> well so far this two problems would be not problem at all with my usage
[16:50] <ubox> yes it is rather good for a beta
[16:50] <abhinav> has been failing for a while. not sure if it is being tracked appropriately for the release.
[16:50] <ubox> not many issues that i can see
[16:51] <[diablo]> afternoon all :-) guys, I am having an issue with flash in 9.10 ... some sites (youtube and news.bbc.co.uk) do not respect left button clicks on the flash areas. Is anyone experiencing this too please?
[16:51] <abhinav> should be a must-have, IMHO
[16:51] <iamleneko> well i do some backup from my home and will launch the update
[16:51] <ubox> [diablo] there is a plugin i believe, that enables left clicks, from the addons/plugins thing in firefox
[16:51] <[diablo]> ubox, ugh?
[16:52] <iamleneko> it would not be so long to reinstall the intrepid ibex in case of fail
[16:52] <kankan_> ubox: i have extracted it to desktop..how to change the directory to this folder?
[16:52] <Dr_Willis> bash basics  'cd Path/to/change/to'
[16:52] <ubox> [diablo] do you use firefox browser?
[16:52] <[diablo]> ubox, you serious? Also chromium suffers the same... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/bristol/somerset/8304594.stm this page, the big play button fails
[16:52] <Dr_Willis> and CASE is impornatant. :)
[16:52] <iamleneko> did it really fix the intel graphic chipset problems ?
[16:52] <[diablo]> ubox, yep, 99% Firefox, 1% chromium
[16:52] <ubox> sorry
[16:52] <ubox> wait, i meant right clicks, for some reason whenever i hear or read left click i assume the right
[16:53] <[diablo]> ubox, everything worked sweet in 9.04
[16:53] <ubox> my left click works fine in sites, play buttons, volume etc
[16:53] <[diablo]> ubox, would you be kind enough to tell me if http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/bristol/somerset/8304594.stm works for you please?
[16:53] <ubox> one sec
[16:53] <[diablo]> ubox, thanks
[16:54] <FinnTux> is karmic's network manager supposed to support cell phone+bluetooth+gprs?
[16:54] <[diablo]> btw the actual click seems to register (graphically), but fails to start the vid...
[16:54] <ubox> yep, works great [diablo]
[16:54] <[diablo]> damn
[16:54] <[diablo]> k, thats odd
[16:54] <ubox> that is very odd
[16:54] <[diablo]> I will add a 2nd user
[16:55] <grusum> diablo -- does work for me in Firefox
[16:55] <str> hi everyone.. I'm using karmic now.. and the pcspeacker buzz is starting to drive me crazy ... anyone knows about it?
[16:55] <[diablo]> and try with that one, see if its something repeatable or not... brb.. many thanks grusum and ubox ...
[16:55] <str> or anyone can confirm that they have the same issue?
[16:56] <wekt> str: could it be feedback from the mic input?  have you turned it off?
[16:56] <ubox> str, mine clicks/pops whenever the module is restarted
[16:56] <ubox> it's for powersaving
[16:57] <ubox> it is an issue that i think is being worked on
[16:57] <cdE|Woozy> str, happening to me too
[16:57] <Sabir> str I have no problem with pcspeacker, I can not help
[16:57] <str> wekt, everything is muted.. it only sounds bzz when I press backspace on the gnome-terminal
[16:58] <wekt> oh, that is intentional
[16:58] <wekt> that's a FAQ in GNOME
[16:58] <cdE|Woozy> str, exactly. also when new mail arrives
[16:58] <str> cdE|Woozy, but it wasnt that way like
[16:58] <str> like last week
[16:59] <cdE|Woozy> str, I noticed it once last week and it seems to appear nearly everywhere since I updated today
[17:00] <dfgas> with grub2 installed for 9.10... I have installed windows after i installed linux, then i fixed it so grub boots again, but how do i add windows to the boot menu?
[17:00] <str> cdE|Woozy, could you: lsmod | grep -i speaker and paste what you get there?
[17:00] <dfgas> is there a way to auto find it
[17:00] <cdE|Woozy> str, I get nothing
[17:00] <str> cdE|Woozy, so the module in your box isn't loaded neither
[17:01] <jimpop> dfgas, "sudo apt-get install os-prober; sudo update-grub"
[17:01] <dfgas> ty
[17:02] <str> cdE|Woozy, if you mute everything you still get the same problem?
[17:02] <cdE|Woozy> str, yes, muting doesn't do anything
[17:03] <ubox> mine is the same, pops all the time
[17:04] <ubox> i've become accustomed to it lol
[17:04] <nemo> I have a whole ton of stuff with a checkmark emblem that apparently means
[17:04] <nemo> "ubuntu one synchronised"
[17:04] <str> cdE|Woozy, do you find a  "pc beep" bar when you run alsamixer from the terminal?
[17:04] <nemo> how do I turn that off? I see no option in the ubuntu one manager
[17:04] <nemo> or in the context menu, and the emblem can't be unchecked - so apparently that's not the way to do it
[17:05] <guitar-maniac> hey! Any guitar pro users here? i have lost midi in it, worked great at noon but not anymore :(
[17:05] <cdE|Woozy> str, I do, it is turned all the way down. I can't mute the beep there, only make it louder than it already is ;)
[17:05] <jimpop> nemo, i think i saw (lastnight) someone mention that changing themes solved the problem
[17:05] <cdE|Woozy> oh
[17:05] <str> cdE|Woozy, FOUND!!!!!  if you go to alamixer and press "m" there it stopped !
[17:05] <cdE|Woozy> seems I can mute it by pressing m
[17:05] <cdE|Woozy> yeah :D
[17:05] <str> OMG I'm so happy I can cry :'D
[17:06] <stone1343> nemo, I have the same thing, many files have the U1 checkmark, not just files in the U1 folder
[17:06] <boondoklife> nemo: If you are talking about the green check marks everywhere, that is a bug and it is being worked on.
[17:06] <boondoklife> nemo: atleast if it just showed up after the last update
[17:07] <nemo> boondoklife: green checkmarks. and I think just after last update
[17:07] <nemo> I tried signing into ubuntu one, but couldn't. even after I temporarily allowed cookies for all domains
[17:07] <nemo> I'd already whitelisted launchpad, canonical, and ubuntu
[17:07] <boondoklife> nemo: Yea i have them all over the place too, it is being worked on
[17:07] <nemo> 'k
[17:07] <nemo> boondoklife: I had a momentary freakout that a bunch of work-sensitive files were being pushed to some external server
[17:08] <nemo> actually, I'm still not sure that isn't happening :(
[17:08] <nemo> my network activity is unusually high
[17:08] <boondoklife> nemo: lol, I was amazed that about a terabyte of data synced in less than 5 minutes
[17:08] <nemo> and a whole ton of it is to cannonical
[17:08] <nemo> dammit
[17:08] <nemo> damn damn damn
[17:08] <nemo> ok. I need to figure out how to sign into that damn thing and turn it off :(
[17:08] <boondoklife> I know on my side nothing was sent
[17:08] <nemo> or else unplug my network
[17:08] <stone1343> nemo, I don't think so, I've looked at one.ubuntu.com, no extra files there
[17:09] <nemo> ok. yeah, I just signed in, eventually, and I'm not subscribed to the sync plan
[17:10] <nemo> maybe the network traffic is some other thingy
[17:12] <stone1343> i'll take advantage of a short lull to say that i get the feeling karmic is getting pretty close to ready
[17:14] <yoga> I tried to install lm-sensors by follow the the page
[17:14] <yoga>        https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto, however when sudo
[17:14] <yoga>        /etc/init.d/module-init-tools I get "Usage:
[17:14] <yoga>        /etc/init.d/module-init-tools COMMAND", it seems that nothing is
[17:14] <yoga>        inserted into the kernel, any idea?
[17:15] <kklimonda> yoga: you have to add a parameter like "restart" or "start"
[17:15] <kklimonda> or stop
[17:16] <Dr_Willis> COMMAND = 'start, stop, restart'   Logical eh. :)
[17:17] <iamleneko> karmic comes with ext3 as default filesystem ?
[17:17] <yoga> Thanks. kklimonda Dr_Willis
[17:17] <jimpop> iamleneko, no
[17:18] <Dr_Willis> ext4 is the default
[17:18] <jimpop> iamleneko, ext4 is the default
[17:18] <iamleneko> okey
[17:19] <iamleneko> is it give better performance than ext3 ?
[17:19] <nemo> yes
[17:19] <nemo> significantly
[17:19] <nemo> especially on large drives
[17:19] <nemo> ... and large files (well, those two tend to go hand in hand)
[17:20] <[diablo]> back again... ok solved
[17:21] <dumbby> is there a command or tools for backup the whole partition like norton ghost?
[17:21] <[diablo]> I removed the flash plugin (done via the software center), downloaded the 64bit plugin direct from adobe labs, dropped it into /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins ... and it works
[17:21] <Dr_Willis> dumbby:  theres several ways it can be done.
[17:21] <Dr_Willis> !backup
[17:21] <[diablo]> so, thanks ubox
[17:22] <wekt> dumbby: there are many. if the partition is guaranteed to be the same size, you can use gzip
[17:22] <iamleneko> nemo, and dealing with huge amount of small files ?
[17:22] <Dr_Willis> !cloning
[17:22] <[diablo]> also, should have said it was 64bit ubuntu ... blush
[17:22] <dumbby> cool thanks
[17:22] <nemo> iamleneko: does that better as well, although large files are more dramatic
[17:23] <iamleneko> okey, last question, is there some way to convert a ext3 partition to ext4 ?
[17:23] <Dr_Willis> iamleneko:  yes.. but you dont really gain the speed boost.
[17:23] <Dr_Willis> best to back it up. reformat, restore.
[17:24] <nemo> Dr_Willis: well. you do eventually as files roll over, no?
[17:24] <nemo> iamleneko: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4#Features
[17:24] <thiebaude> im trying to activate the nvidia 185 drivers and after i type my password nothing happens
[17:25]  * jimpop wonders just how many kernel updates it should take between Beta and RC
[17:26] <Dr_Willis> nemo:  not sure. Ive just heard its not worth the hassle 'converting'
[17:26] <thiebaude> does anyone have a suggestion?
[17:27] <nemo> Dr_Willis: I converted all 3 of my ubuntu machines
[17:27] <nemo> Dr_Willis: at least the fscks seem much faster
[17:28] <iamleneko> converting it consist just to mount the old ext3 as ext4 ?
[17:28] <Dr_Willis> nemo:  thats may be due to better journel features from  what i am reading on the wiki pages.
[17:28] <billybigrigger> has anyone been able to get their scanner to work in karmic?
[17:28] <joaopinto> iamleneko, converting from ext3 to ext4 does not provide the performance benefits from a fresh ext4 fs
[17:29] <Dr_Willis> billybigrigger:  Hmm.. i got one right here.. lets see....
[17:30] <Dr_Willis> billybigrigger:  it seems to be working.. its warming up...
[17:30] <Dr_Willis> billybigrigger:  Yes it works. :)
[17:30] <Dr_Willis> and with less hassles then under windows.
[17:32] <billybigrigger> damn
[17:32] <billybigrigger> xsane?
[17:32] <billybigrigger> mine is trying to use my usb camera as input
[17:33] <billybigrigger> and when i unplug my usb camera, i get no devices detected
[17:34] <billybigrigger> Bus 002 Device 003: ID 04b8:0849 Seiko Epson Corp. Stylus SX205
[17:34] <billybigrigger> must be the fact it's an all in one?
[17:34] <billybigrigger> printing works fine
[17:34] <billybigrigger> been printing dvd covers for the last 5 days on it :P
[17:34] <Dr_Willis> Hmm...
[17:35] <Dr_Willis> some All-In-One gizmos require extra services/tools installed
[17:35] <Dr_Willis>   at lesast many of the HP ones do.
[17:35] <thiebaude> hey everyone, in nvidia-settings im trying to save to X configuration, but i get a message that says Failed to parse existing X config file /etc/X11/xorg.conf what do i need to do to set my resolution?
[17:36] <ubox> i broke my video, installed nvidia retricted and now it say's it can't load the kernel module nvidia
[17:36] <thiebaude> which means i have to set my resolution everytime i log in
[17:36] <iamleneko> it seems that it need to rebuild them module
[17:37] <Dr_Willis> RUN it as root thiebaude
[17:37] <Dr_Willis> and use some extra xorg.conf for a template for it to use. let me pastebin mine
[17:37] <thiebaude> Dr_Willis, i ran gksudo nvidia-settings
[17:37] <thiebaude> ok Dr_Willis
[17:37] <thiebaude> thanks
[17:37] <Dr_Willis>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:37] <Dr_Willis> http://pastebin.com/fe5201ed
[17:37] <yofel> thiebaude: move your xorg.conf away and then run nvidia-settings
[17:38] <Dr_Willis> nvidia-settings can get brain dead when the xorg.conf dosent have all the proper entries
[17:38] <thiebaude> yofel, what do you mean move my xorg.conf away?
[17:38] <yofel> thiebaude: well... move,rename,delete it?
[17:38] <Dr_Willis> mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.THISSpaceForFent
[17:38] <thiebaude> hmm
[17:39] <Dr_Willis> I mentioned in a few forum threads about how the nvidia-config tool needs  a lot of work. :()
[17:39] <yofel> we already had several people with the same issue
[17:39] <ubox> ok, so the nvidia driver does not seem to work with my kernel?
[17:39] <Dr_Willis> I always keep backups of my xorg.conf :)
[17:39] <thiebaude> Dr_Willis, i works great in 9.04
[17:39] <thiebaude> it
[17:40] <ubox> i changed my config to use nv and it is ok, but using nvidia it will not load the module
[17:40] <Dr_Willis> thiebaude:  and X has been undergoing a lot of changes... so......
[17:40] <yofel> ubox: can you try to reinstall the driver in a terminal and check if the module build fails?
[17:41] <stone1343> does anyone know how to get a USB 3G modem working? As soon as I insert it, the system instantly hangs.
[17:41] <ubox> ok, yofel. just remove and then install again?
[17:42] <yofel> ubox: yep
[17:42] <ubox> ok
[17:43] <joaopinto> you can use --reinstall
[17:43] <thiebaude> Dr_Willis, insert what you gave me into my xorg.conf?
[17:44] <ubox> ok
[17:44] <ubox> thanks :)
[17:45] <iamleneko> !upgrade
[17:45] <iamleneko> !karmic
[17:45] <ubox> so after how do i check if the module worked out?
[17:46] <iamleneko> !tell me about karmic
[17:47] <ubox> should i just run nvidia-xconfig?
[17:47] <iamleneko> rah ... i need to be patient i will wait, there is less a month to wait...
[17:48] <thiebaude> yofel, how do i delete xorg,conf so i can run nvidia-settings again as root?
[17:48] <yofel> ubox: any error during dkms build? If not try to reboot again
[17:49] <ubox> yofel, do i have to run anything or does that just happen during apt's install?
[17:49] <yofel> thiebaude: could you try to run gksudo nvidia-settings and while it's open, 'sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old' and then save a new xorg.conf with nvidia-settings?
[17:49] <thiebaude> yofel, ok thanks
[17:50] <yofel> ubox: Iirc it should set the driver to nvidia again, but check your xorg.conf first maybe
[17:50] <Amaranth> eh
[17:50] <thiebaude> nvidia x server just crashed
[17:50] <Amaranth> Doesn't nvidia-xsettings have an --initial option?
[17:50] <Amaranth> Right, with no xorg.conf nvidia-settings dies
[17:50] <Amaranth> err, not nvidia-xsettings, such a tool doesn't exist
[17:50] <Amaranth> what is the command line one?
[17:50] <ubox> so i don't need to run nvidia-xconfig?
[17:51] <ubox> that one amaranth
[17:51] <Amaranth> nvidia-xconfig, that sounds right
[17:51] <thiebaude> which means i have to set resolution everytime i log back in
[17:51] <Amaranth> If you have no xorg.conf you need to run that one before nvidia-settings will do anything
[17:51] <thiebaude> i cant save to X configuration
[17:52] <thiebaude> Amaranth, gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[17:52] <Wildbat> anyone tried installing VMware tools on 9.10? all i got is Black screen any fix for that?
[17:52] <Amaranth> thiebaude: If you have no xorg.conf run sudo nvidia-xconfig
[17:52] <ubox> hmmm, curious. i tried to run nvidia-xconfig and got an error that the file is incomplete, undefined device "(null)" referenced by screen "default"
[17:52] <Amaranth> thiebaude: then run gksudo nvidia-settings
[17:52] <thiebaude> Amaranth, i do have a xorg.conf
[17:53] <ubox> so maybe i need to configure my screen first?
[17:53] <thiebaude> there is not much in it
[17:53] <thiebaude> ok
[17:53] <Dr_Willis> http://pastebin.com/fe5201ed <----------- my xorg.conf  copy it to your xorg.conf and refn the nvidia-settings tool
[17:53] <thiebaude> i cant save the resolution in nvidia-settings
[17:53] <Dr_Willis> perhaps.
[17:54] <Dr_Willis> you did do a -->   gksudo nvidia-settings
[17:54] <thiebaude> Dr_Willis, yep, im in nvidia-settings now
[17:54] <thiebaude> Dr_Willis, i will copy the paste you gave me and save it
[17:56] <Dr_Willis> That is set for twinview..  so it it might get confused...
[17:56] <thiebaude> ?me this is where i wish i had 2 monitors
[17:56] <Dr_Willis> but it IS working here for me. and ijust update/upgraded
[17:56] <thiebaude> that dont work
[17:56] <dphase> hey guys, in a fresh install of karmic, after a reboot mount is failing on my xfs partitions (not recognizing fs)
[17:58] <thiebaude> Dr_Willis, ok i copied your pastebin into my xorg.conf and i save it, now i will open nvidia-settings as root
[17:59] <Daskreech> does anyone have a x-terminal-emulator: Fatal IO error: client killed Fatal crash when you login ?
[18:00] <kazagistar> is KDE really this annoying, or is it just the beta?
[18:01] <ubox> is anyone else missing restart and shutdown? in the k menu
[18:01] <Dr_Willis> i find kde4 very annoying.
[18:01] <Dr_Willis> ubox:  ya use the power button, then the menus popup i think
[18:01] <kazagistar> if anything needs a hundred annoyance fixes, it is KDE
[18:01] <BluesKaj> I find gnome cartooney
[18:01] <BluesKaj> kde works fine here
[18:02] <ubox> not from what i see, i hold oit for a second or two and nothing happens
[18:02] <Daskreech> kazagistar: You have a hundred?
[18:02] <ubox> i'm tempted to test suspend ..
[18:02] <Dr_Willis> ubox:  the 'power' button in the menus.. not on the pc.
[18:02] <ubox> ya, 'leave' only has suspend and hibernate + logout etc above
[18:02] <Dr_Willis> I just removed kde and put gnome on.. I recall the kde menus ya clicked shutdown (red power buton icon) thenit  had a menu for the actual task
[18:03] <kazagistar> I am doing some QT4 coding, so I am using KDE4 to try it out, and I have a very large file of things that annoy me on the desktop
[18:03] <BluesKaj> kazagistar, put them in a file :)
[18:03] <Cynthia> Did Aptdaemon just get ditched in the latest update? I just got a sudo prompt with the "downloading package information" dialog from Jaunty, in Karmic beta
[18:04] <kazagistar> like... when you click on a desktop icon, it loads both the file browser AND the preview browser, one over the other
[18:05] <kazagistar> kate does not auto-tab python files
[18:05] <freenose> Hi, I installed a karmic minimal system, installed the alsa and pulseaudio packages, check volumes with alsamixer but I'm not getting any sound, are there adittional packages I should install?
[18:05] <kazagistar> anyways, this is kinda off topic
[18:06] <dkagedal> freenose: what are you trying? and why are you running alsamixer if you want to use pulseaudio?
[18:06] <dkagedal> freenose: try pavucontrol
[18:06] <freenose> dkagedal: Ok, let me try
[18:06] <Cynthia> freenose: Bluetooth audio or like regular PCI?
[18:06] <freenose> Cynthia: regular, is a laptop
[18:07] <freenose> dkagedal: I don't have any 'pavucontrol' command
[18:08] <freenose> doesn't pulseaudio works with alsa?
[18:08] <Cynthia> The program 'pavucontrol' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:  sudo apt-get install pavucontrol
[18:08] <Cynthia> :)
[18:08] <freenose> ok
[18:08] <Cynthia> to get these helpful messages, you may want to install command-not-found and command-not-found-data, too
[18:08] <dkagedal> freenose: then install it
[18:09] <freenose> with pulseaudio you need alsa to right?
[18:09] <freenose> *too
[18:09] <wekt> no
[18:09] <wekt> pulseaudio works on top of many audio layers
[18:09] <wekt> 1 of any many
[18:15] <freenose> what should I look for in pavucontrol? I think is not listing my deviceé, in output devices it only shows dummy output
[18:15] <ubox> ok, so that doesn't work well at all. i got a black screen instead of jumbly mess. but when i went in and changed the driver back to nv my res was low and could not go higher. it seems to work better without an xorg.conf
[18:15] <ubox> which is what i am using now :)
[18:15] <freenose> is there CLI interface for pavucontrol
[18:15] <freenose> ?
[18:18] <BluesKaj> pavucontrol is a UI
[18:19] <freenose> let me try as troot
[18:19] <freenose> root*
[18:19] <freenose> BluesKaj: yes, is there something similar for the CLI?
[18:21] <BluesKaj> no, freenose it's agtk based GUI
[18:23] <kaddi> hi, for the last couple of days I've been getting the following message, when doing a sudo apt-get udpate: http:...binary-i386/Packages.bz2 could not be fetched hash-sum doesn't match. What does it mean? Is the archive being updated while I try to download it?
[18:23] <BluesKaj> PA is broken for a lot of hardware ..the pa kernel module can't replace alsa IMO , ittries to run on top of it just causing another useless layer of software for audio to work thru
[18:25] <kaddi> also: Was there a major update today? I just updated and have 128 packages to install. :p
[18:25] <mahfouz> my karmic fails to pick up my usb drive
[18:25] <mahfouz> this happens maybe once a week
[18:25] <BluesKaj> kaddi, the app you are compiling from source isn't up to date if you are getting that message
[18:25] <mahfouz> is this bug known?
[18:26] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. is the F9 key supposed tobe some special key by default in gnome/compiz now?
[18:26] <Dr_Willis> I am using mc - and when i hit F9 in MC the screen dims. (it still works fine, just the whole monitor dims)
[18:26] <kaddi> BluesKaj: So if I'm not compiling anything from source, I can safely ignore that message? It pops up when I do apt-get update, but I don't have any self compiled software on the PC right now (to my recollection :p )
[18:28] <BluesKaj> kaddi , yeah, ignore it , as long as nothing seems broken
[18:28] <kaddi> BluesKaj: I'll tell you after the upgrade if anything is broken ;)
[18:28] <kaddi> thanks :)
[18:28] <BluesKaj> hehe kaddi , no doybt :)
[18:28] <oroz> could someone help me turn off "Emulate3Buttons"
[18:29] <Cynthia> the only thing I have self-compiled on this system is libdvdcss, because no amd64 version of it is provided on the repositories
[18:30] <Dr_Willis> Err,, theres one on medibuntu isent there?
[18:30] <Dr_Willis> I think i installed it the other day from there.. (i never watch dvds  soi may be wrong)
[18:31] <ubox> so dr_wllis, do you have glx working?
[18:32] <freenose> BluesKaj: I can't even get sound with alsa alone :/
[18:35] <freenose> I must say, If I do a full install(with gnome) sound works :)
[18:36] <CShadowRun> hehe, so finally got karmic installed
[18:37] <CShadowRun> lets see if it can install the nvidia drivers without falling over and dieing (no ubuntu distro past hardy has managed to do this) :P
[18:39] <ubox> cshadowrun, i just tried a few times and booted to a black/distorted screen
[18:40] <ubox> if this happens to you my crude fix is to reboot and choose recovery, edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and either swap 'driver "nvidia"' for 'driver "nv"' or just delete the file, which is what i did
[18:40] <CShadowRun> i might be a member of the distorted screen club
[18:40] <ubox> everything but glx works without the config file
[18:41] <CShadowRun> i need the nvidia driver though, i make heavy use of compiz and games
[18:41] <h00k> is it known why all of my icons/folders have the ubuntuone check box on them?
[18:41] <ubox> i wish i could get it working myself
[18:41] <ubox> something to do with the module not loading, i tried from cli and found that was my error
[18:42] <Cynthia> h00k: do you even *use* Ubuntu One?
[18:42] <oroz> could someone help in turning off "Emulate3Buttons"? if its simple pls tell me how
[18:42] <h00k> Cynthia: yes, but it is showing all of my files, not just the ones in my Ubuntuone shared folder.
[18:43] <Dr_Willis> ubox:  3d stuff works here for me on my 8800gtxsss
[18:43] <Cynthia> oroz (?): http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=940446 - basically, the directive is not useful or needed anymore, and there is another way to do it
[18:43] <Cynthia> yes, oroz... sorry, I get nicknames mixed up sometimes
[18:43] <Strogg_> is ubuntuone crypted ? or is ubuntu one root having access to all files ? :p
[18:44] <oldude67> well lets see if my intel box dies on update...what else could go wrong today??:(
[18:44] <oroz> Cynthia, thanks
[18:44] <ubox> hmmm, i wonder what is up with mine
[18:44] <BluesKaj> freenose, I purged pulseaudio but i ha to reboot in order to activate the kernal module driver for my soundcard
[18:44] <Cynthia> h00k: bug 450006
[18:45] <Cynthia> h00k: since this is marked Fix Committed, you'll see a fix for this soon in Update Manager, watch for python-ubuntuone-client among others
[18:45] <Cynthia> [it's not released yet]
[18:45] <genii> Oooo ... number 450112 looks pretty nasty
[18:45] <h00k> Cynthia: the correct bug is 450112
[18:46] <Cynthia> I arrived at 450006 via google, but ubottu dutifully followed through the duplicateness, see the second line :)
[18:46] <oroz> Cynthia, im sorry, no i dont, but the support channels for ubuntu 9.04 are ignoring so no help there, ive tried that link you gave me earlier, it didnt help ;( thanks again
[18:46] <Dr_Willis> oroz:  9.04 would proberly set that differntly then 9.10 since HAL is being phased out
[18:47] <freenose> when opening pavucontrol as a normal user should it show all output devices?
[18:47] <Dr_Willis> oroz:  it used tobe an xorg.conf setting.. but 9.04 its proberly a hal/fdi file config .
[18:47] <thiebaude> Dr_Willis: my trying to fix my problem did't work
[18:47] <Dr_Willis> and in 9.10 - ive no idea.
[18:47] <oldude67> oroz, not to mention they get a little upset if you say anything about karmic in there as well.
[18:47] <freerider--> hi
[18:47] <freerider--> i just installed karmic
[18:47] <Dr_Willis> thiebaude:  im out of ideas... i gotta run the wife to the Dr.   chat at ya later.
[18:47] <freerider--> i use a geforce 9800gt
[18:48] <oroz> lol
[18:48] <freerider--> when i switch to the tty1 i get a yellow/greenisch ugly screen and no shell :(
[18:48] <freerider--> none of the shells work
[18:48] <freerider--> ctrl+alt+f(1to12)
[18:48] <gorthaug> hi
[18:49] <elumbella> freerider--: try to disable the "splash" option of grub
[18:50] <oroz> Dr_Willis, would you happen to know how i could set it up that way?
[18:50] <freenose> Cynthia: Can you check that?
[18:50] <Cynthia> freenose: sorry, what?
[18:50] <h00k> Strogg_: of course they don'y have access to your files
[18:50] <freerider--> where is the menu.lst?
[18:51] <freenose> Cynthia: when you open pavucontrol as a normal user, does it list all you output devices?
[18:51] <Strogg_> hook, i read that it was not crypted, so how work the security on the service ?
[18:51] <gorthaug> i'm in ubuntu 9.10 beta, after an update i've all the folders and files from my /home "syncroniced" with Ubuntu One, how can i change this?
[18:51] <Cynthia> gorthaug: bug 450112, it's fix committed so wait for it to show up in Update Manager
[18:52] <Cynthia> freenose: will check
[18:52] <gorthaug> ok, thanks
[18:53] <h00k> Strogg_: it poses huge problems with sharing, also the web interface.  You can encrypt your own things and then sync that with ubuntu one if you'd like
[18:53] <Cynthia> freenose: I have only one output device and pavucontrol shows "them" all :)
[18:53] <freenose> Cynthia: what's the name of the device?
[18:53] <h00k> Strogg_: also see here: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/375289/comments/7
[18:54] <Cynthia> freenose: "Internal Audio Analog Stereo"
[18:54] <freenose> Cynthia: I see, I must be doing something wrong here, thanks a lot.
[19:00] <CShadowRun> well, i'm downgrading to jaunty lol
[19:01] <bipolar> I just installed karmic on a dell laptop. After logging in and installing the nvidia driver I get nothing at all on the screen after 'Loading Grub'. I can't even hit esc to get to a grub menu so I can get a shell to try to fix the problem. Is there some other way to get grub to give me the menu?
[19:01] <CShadowRun> alot to fix in just 15 days if this is gonna be ready for release lol
[19:02] <je> I wanna dual boot Karmic 32bit and 64bit but use the same encrypted home directory... my secondly installed system won't mount the home directory... anyone know why?
[19:03] <ubox> bipolar, grub does not give you options to boot anything?
[19:03] <bipolar> ubox: no
[19:04] <bipolar> I just hit ctrl+alt+delete while it was booting and it rebooted and gave me the menu. :P
[19:04] <bipolar> I've reboot this thing 5 times before this.
[19:04] <bipolar> weird
[19:04] <ubox> yea i had to revert to using nv instead of nvidia driver
[19:05] <ubox> i haven't figured it out yet
[19:06] <omgmog> Has anybody experienced the new ume-launcher on from UNR not listing mounted volumes under "Files & Folders" ?
[19:06] <bipolar> ubox: strange thing is, I am using the nvidia driver on other PC's without issue. Are you using a laptop too?>
[19:07] <ubox> yes, an hp dv6404
[19:08] <bipolar> ubox: missing the nvidia kernel module
[19:08] <bipolar> ubox: thats my issue
[19:08] <Cynthia> bipolar: karmic uses grub 2, which you can get the menu of by holding Shift during boot
[19:09] <ubox> same here
[19:09] <ubox> but it is installed
[19:10] <bipolar> ubox: I ran 'apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-185-kernel-source' and it seems to be building the module now
[19:10] <plazia> With the new grub 2, has anyone noticed when you see the "Loading grub" it takes like 14 seconds or so to bring up the menu? is there some change in the config file you can make to speed this up?
[19:10] <ubox> bipolar, hmmm, i will try that too
[19:11] <joaopinto> plazia, that is not happening to me
[19:12] <bipolar> ubox: startx works now... I'll reboot and see if it works
[19:12] <ubox> mine too seems to be building the module
[19:12] <ubox> let me know how it went
[19:12] <plazia> I have various operating systems on various partitions grub 1 used to take about a second or two. the new grub 2 seems to take between 10 - 14 seconds. I can only guess it's enumerating all the OS's / partitions. just wondered if there was a way to speed it up.
[19:17] <freenose> does karmic installs alsa by default?
[19:18] <bjsnider> freenose, of course
[19:18] <bipolar> ubox: yep. it's working... at least the built in screen is. external monitor is an issue. :P
[19:19] <ubox> woo!
[19:19] <ubox> it worked
[19:21] <freenose> bjsnider: and pulseaudio too?
[19:21] <bjsnider> yes
[19:21] <freenose> ok
[19:25] <torgrimt> is the -server kernel with bigmem support removed from karmic?
[19:28] <jetsaredim> at what point did empathy's not-ready-ness come into the equation when replacing pidgin with it?
[19:28] <dmj728> If I'm going to submit a bug fix, when is the latest it can get into karmic?
[19:29] <legend2440> hello, i have seahorse and gpg packages installed and i used seahorse to create a personal key. however, when i right click  a fil or folder there is no context menu entry saying  "Encrypt". i thought that was the way it worked. any ideas?
[19:29] <legend2440> *file
[19:30] <ubox> resume from suspend works!
[19:33] <Michalxo> hello!
[19:33] <Michalxo> anyone getting problem with tty1-6?
[19:33] <Michalxo> I can't type anything in...
[19:33] <Michalxo> and it looks weird
[19:34] <omgmog> Michalxo - they work here, but others have had problems. are you by chance using nvidia graphics?
[19:34] <Michalxo> yes
[19:34] <Michalxo> nviida
[19:34] <boondoklife> lol the latest devicekit-disks turned my cdrom into an ipod in the computer browser
[19:36] <plazia> Michalxo, I'm having that problem too
[19:36] <omgmog> I believe ubox and bipolar were too.
[19:36] <Michalxo> + when in login screen when I go to terminal, I am unalbe to type anything
[19:37] <bipolar> yep. nvidia issues on a laptop.
[19:37] <bipolar> I've got a couple PC's that work fine though
[19:37] <plazia> is it to do with the nvidia driver then?
[19:38] <legend2440> Michalxo: yes same problem. nvidia also. i got tty to work again by removing word  "splash" in /etc/default/grub file then save file and run sudo update-grub
[19:39] <legend2440> Michalxo: seems to be caused by the usplash updates
[19:39] <Michalxo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/429249
[19:39] <Michalxo> what about this problem?
[19:40] <Michalxo> it's still in for month
[19:40] <Michalxo> and it's big problem... for me)
[19:41] <plazia> legend2440, thanks for the fix info
[19:41] <legend2440> plazia: your welcome
[19:41] <Michalxo> legend2440, has to be reboot done to make changes?
[19:42] <legend2440> Michalxo: yes
[19:42] <Michalxo> yes I think.. nevermind, I changed it :-)
[19:42] <Michalxo> thank you
[19:42] <Michalxo> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/33605119/IMG_2811.JPG
[19:42] <Michalxo> does it look like this?
[19:42] <Michalxo> plazia,
[19:43] <plazia> Michalxo, not like that mate but when I ctrl+alt+F1 - F6 or whatever to get to the terminals it looks like a totally messed up framebuffer.
[19:43] <legend2440> Michalxo: mine had something like blue Chinese letters and no  Login prompt at all
[19:43] <Michalxo> aha,
[19:43] <Michalxo> :-)
[19:43] <Michalxo> interesting bugs in koala... :-)
[19:44] <plazia> 2.6.31-11-generic with Release:	9.10, amd64 here on nvidia driver version 185.18.36
[19:45] <Michalxo> same here :-)
[19:45] <Pici> Michalxo: You can try asking in #ubuntu-bugs if no action is happening for your bug
[19:49] <Michalxo> thanks, I'll try
[19:55] <jjardon> hello, after today updates all the files of my home foler has a check icon, is this normal?
[19:57] <twager> jjardon: Me too
[19:57] <legend2440> jjardon: its a bug. those are ubuntuone checkmarks. the developers in #ubuntuone say its a known bug and they have a fix that will be released soon
[19:57] <jjardon> legend2440, thank you
[19:57] <legend2440> jjardon: your welcome
[19:58] <PolitikerNEU> Does anybody know why so many options are greyed out in evince when trying to print to PDF? I want to print 4 pages onto one of a PDF
[19:58] <PolitikerNEU> but it always creates a "portrait"-Page with the 4 Pages stretched - I would like to have it "landscape"-like. I can insert a screenshot
[20:01] <Galvatron> Hi
[20:01] <PolitikerNEU> Screenshot: http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/9533/epiphany.png
[20:02] <Myxb> plazia: about  ctrl+alt+F1 - F6 terminals. try upgrading to grub2. did the trick for me. i think you have garbled screen (actually distorted F7 graphics) when the grub-legacy passes wrong parameters to kernel. i am unable to set custom terminal resolution though.
[20:02] <Galvatron> I'm using Kubuntu Karmic and after severla updatets it ceased to shut down
[20:02] <plazia> Myxb, I am using grub2
[20:03] <plazia> but you're right about the distorted screen.
[20:03] <tgpraveen> ubottu: bug # 434878
[20:03] <Galvatron> Th desktop disappears, the logo with decreasing loading bar shows and than it gets stuck on a black screen with monitor LED turned green
[20:04] <plazia> Myxb, grub-pc 1.97~beta3-1ubuntu8
[20:04] <Galvatron> But it restarts propoerly - weird.
[20:04] <Galvatron> Replacing "halt" command with "poweroff" didn't help
[20:05] <Galvatron> Same with forcing ACPI by editing grub.lst
[20:06] <Myxb> plazia: don't know then. still check the grub2 options, maybe you have gfxpayload set to a wrong number. as far as my system is concerned, this parameter either yields garbled screen or has no effect at all.
[20:07] <plazia> gfxpayload is set in which config file Myxb ? /etc/default/grub? or one of grubs?
[20:09] <Myxb> plazia: check this file, but it is possible to set it in /etc/grub.d/00_header, for example. if you did not touch that script, it is not there. here is one of the articles http://harrison3001.blogspot.com/2009/09/grub-2-graphical-boot-tips-to-set.html. didn't work for me though.
[20:10] <plazia> Myxb, thanks again
[20:24] <Galvatron> A lot of you guys just joinned, so I will describe my problem again:  I'm using Kubuntu Karmic and after severla updatets it ceased to shut down. Th desktop disappears, the logo with decreasing loading bar shows and than it gets stuck on a black screen with monitor LED turned green. But it restarts propoerly - weird. Replacing "halt" command with "poweroff" didn't help. Same with forcing ACPI by editing grub.lst.
[20:28] <dschulz> Galvatron: i had that problem, but afaicr it was solved a few hours later
[20:29] <dschulz> there's a bug report
[20:29] <dschulz> but was closed as 'Fixed'
[20:31] <ibkanat> on my laptop I keep getting the core maxing out and locking up.  Futex wait and I have to kill the program to exit
[20:32] <ibkanat> I have a hp pavilion dv6119us with tl-50 amd dual core
[20:32] <ibkanat> and 2gigs of ram
[20:33] <ibkanat> how do I track this down?
[20:37] <madm1ke> since karmic aptitude update sometimes has a return value of 255 although there are some new packages. does anybode know why that is?  see: http://paste.ubuntu.com/292578/
[20:38] <Galvatron> THx.
[20:38] <Galvatron> Seems like I have to wait for updates
[20:39] <tormod> heh after that devkit (?) update all my hard drives are now iPods :)
[20:40] <ripps> tormod: yeah, mine too
[20:40] <ripps> weird
[20:41] <tormod> ripps, propably the "fix" for bug #440290
[20:44] <billybigrigger> anyone here use newsgroups?
[20:44] <Kamilion> What's the best way to draw a maintainer's attention to a broken package in karmic?
[20:44] <milian> is it recommended to upgrade to karmic before creating a ext4 partition? i.e. are there known bugs/limitations in the underlying tools in intrepid?
[20:45] <nemo> waaah
[20:45] <nemo> karmic replaced my working yogarine PPA of eclipse w/ a broken 3.5.1 :( :(
[20:45] <Kamilion> Trying to get https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/411546  resolved
[20:46] <nemo> and when I try to force version, I get all kinds of confusing removals
[20:51] <tormod> anyone else getting pops from the speaker from time to time (could be a delayed Terminal bell)
[20:52] <sheldon_85> hi...i'd like to hide an user from GDM menu. How can i do this?
[20:52] <Nafai> tormod: Yes, I am, I haven't taken the the time to figure it out
[20:53] <tormod> Kamilion, that's universe package I reckon, anyway that bug does not talk about brokenness
[20:54] <tormod> Nafai, there was no recent pulseaudio update right? but the new kernel had a new alsa IIRC
[20:56] <nemo> tormod: yeah. I've been getting that too.
[20:56] <tormod> sound works otherwise
[20:57] <wekt> Kamilion: generally speaking, providing additional useful data.
[20:57] <Kamilion> tormod, aye, the karmic repo has been updated for ebox "1.3.5" for weeks, but the ebox-dhcp package has been left at "0.12". Everything else has been imported to karmic except this one package.
[20:57] <wekt> Kamilion: they will get a notice every time you add something
[20:57] <nemo> agh. a new. *broken* eclipse 3.5.1 :( :( :(
[20:57] <Nafai> tormod: Not sure, I've had the problem since upgrading to Karmic
[20:59] <danlii> How do I change the locale in karmic? I don't want the utf-8, i want iso-8859-1 instead, but it isn't selectable in the menus, but it shows up in the list when i run locale-gen. I get it in Gnome as default and cannot change.
[20:59] <milian> has anyone ever seen somethink like this, when running do-release-upgrade -d: http://mwolff.pastebin.com/f3b603a5e
[20:59] <Kamilion> wekt, all the other ebox-* packages have been updated to 1.3.5 for karmic, but not ebox-dhcp. It's kind of essential to get routing working in ebox.
[20:59] <milian> can I fix it? or is that problem out of my hands?
[20:59] <tormod> Kamilion, try to talk to the guys who uploaded that package the last time, or updated the other ebox- packages
[20:59] <Kamilion> I'm just trying to find the right maintainer to poke
[20:59] <Afzal> Hi! I have problem with xserver in Ubuntu karmic (development branch)Release :9.10
[21:00] <Afzal> error encountered processing nouveau-kernel-source& xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[21:00] <tormod> Kamilion, use the changelog
[21:00] <Afzal> any good suggestion is appreciated
[21:01] <mattva01> anyone having an issue with pygtk apps on karmic?
[21:01] <tormod> Afzal, for nouveau you might find the right people on #ubuntu-x with some luck
[21:01] <undeconstructed> hi all, since updating yesterday I seem to have lost boot, has anyone else found this?
[21:03] <tormod> ripps, the iPod icon thingy is bug 450540
[21:04] <milian> ah, now it's working, seems to be fixed
[21:05] <Kamilion> tormod: Not terribly familiar with the context. What exactly do you mean by 'use the changelog' ? I'm not the package maintainer, just a random user trying to get the package bumped.
[21:06] <Kamilion> I found a bunch of bugs filed on the other ebox-* packages that were filed to bring them up to date, but I couldn't find who commited the packages to karmic
[21:06] <tormod> Kamilion, do you know where to find the changelog for a package? /usr/share/doc
[21:07] <rockrat> is there some problem with nvidia driver 180 n +
[21:09] <rockrat> with nvidia-185 i had blinking display and onwards nothing to display. error log reports EE while loading nvidia module
[21:10] <Kamilion> Hm, the changelogs says the maintainer who filed the bug got the previous uploads committed as far as I can tell. It's close to two months ago before the beta was released, so IIRC someone needs to file a feature exception now, and I'm attempting to track down someone with that power.
[21:11] <thiebaude> rockrat, i've also had my nvidia 8400 gs problems
[21:11] <tormod> Kamilion, if you go to the package's launchpad page, you'll see both who uploaded and who sponsored it
[21:11] <rockrat> thiebaude: did ya experience blinking display ? it was cool like, 6 blinks persecond
[21:12] <thiebaude> rockrat, no just before login i got a blank screen and nothing happens and it doesn't get to log in
[21:13] <thiebaude> rockrat, i had to go back to 9.04 for right now, i brurned the 9.10 alternate cd last nite and have that, but im waiting for a fix
[21:13] <thiebaude> burned
[21:13] <rockrat> thiebaude: yeah thats what i face with 185 n up
[21:13] <undeconstructed> I think I might have the same thing, since updating yesterday I get no boot, and a message about nvidia something in recovery mode
[21:13] <rockrat> but 173 is cool
[21:13] <undeconstructed> I'm running live cd now, and wondering how to get back
[21:13] <strelok_evil> Hello
[21:13] <thiebaude> rockrat, and that burn went perfectly i must say, the 9.10 installs just right
[21:13] <rockrat> thiebaude: nvidia-173 is very stable
[21:14] <thiebaude> rockrat, i use 185 in 9.10 and 180 in 9.04
[21:14] <undeconstructed> there are a couple of twitter posts about boot as well, and that's the closest I can find for up to date news
[21:14] <thiebaude> very buggy right now
[21:14] <Kamilion> tormod: I've looked all over and so far I havn't found a sponsor listed for either ebox-network (commited 8-20-09) or ebox-dhcp... Ah well. Guess I'll just stick with using the ebox PPA to work around it.
[21:15] <rockrat> thiebaude: hmm nice, does 185 offer new features ? which board its optimized to support ?
[21:15] <aliendude5300> Hi, I have a bit of a problem. After installing the latest updates (since yesterday) I noticed a HUGE drop in stability. Also, the graphics on the consoles (when you press ctrl+ alt + f1, etc. are corrupted.
[21:15] <thiebaude> rockrat, i also get the option of 177 in 9.10
[21:15] <Kamilion> Thanks for the information though, I appreciate it.
[21:15] <aliendude5300> Not sure what package is causing the issues.
[21:15] <aliendude5300> My PC already froze 4 times, causing me to forcefully reboot it.
[21:16] <aliendude5300> Almost froze twice since then, but somehow it unfroze...
[21:16]  * thiebaude i'll wait and see at least when its time i will do a clean install
[21:16] <tormod> Kamilion, you see it here: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ebox-network/1.3.5-0ubuntu1
[21:16] <thiebaude> rockrat, we are coming down to the wire on 9.10
[21:17] <aliendude5300> Also, the booting of my system seems to have slowed down significantly...
[21:17] <Kamilion> Ahha! Chuck short! Thanks.
[21:17] <thiebaude> aliendude5300, you use nvidia?
[21:17] <Kamilion> tormod: appreciate you taking your time to help me.
[21:18] <rockrat> thiebaude: cool
[21:18] <undeconstructed> can anyone see any problems coming if I reinstall intrepid or jaunty over a broken karmic?  I don't have my data partitioned for some reason, so I can't go completely blank
[21:19] <tormod> Kamilion, no problem. BTW I think Chuck was also listed in the changelog.
[21:19] <tormod> undeconstructed, all kinds of problems
[21:19] <thiebaude> rockrat, i dont know of any new features, i use nvidia 8400 gs
[21:19] <aliendude5300> thiebaude: ATI Radeon X1950 GT on this computer,
[21:20] <undeconstructed> indeed, but big ones?
[21:20] <tormod> aliendude5300, did you get mesa of today? you are on kde right?
[21:20] <guntbert> !downgrade | undeconstructed
[21:20] <thiebaude> aliendude5300, ahh,ok
[21:20] <undeconstructed> thanks guntbert (and ubottu of course) but I'm only doing that because I have a complete broken already
[21:21] <drbobb> hello, is anyone here familiar with the installation method when one boots an installer's vmlinuz & initrd from a hdd partition, via an existing grub, and has the installer mount an iso of an install cd by loopback?
[21:21] <aliendude5300> tormod: I'm on GNOME. I installed a mesa update though
[21:21] <drbobb> that is, by using the files from images/hd-media ?
[21:21] <tormod> aliendude5300, console corruption is bug #447692
[21:22] <drbobb> this method worked for me with jaunty, but seems to fail with karmic
[21:22] <guntbert> undeconstructed: my best advice: get your data off the HD, and then do a clean install
[21:22] <Kamilion> tormod: Very much appreciated, just caught him here on freenode.
[21:22] <undeconstructed> guntbert: I am at this moment adding up the spare disk space in the house :)
[21:23] <tormod> aliendude5300, please file a bug on the crashes, and try to get some useful logs etc wiki.ubuntu.com/X
[21:24] <aliendude5300> tormod: I'd file a bug, but saying "My system is crashing a lot since recent updates" is USELESS to developers.
[21:25] <tormod> aliendude5300, I know :) is it always lock-ups? no X restarting (crash)
[21:25] <tormod> aliendude5300, if you can downgrade to last version of mesa and it fixes it, it's already very useful
[21:26] <tormod> s/last/previous
[21:29] <tormod> RAOF, is nouveau-kernel-source working in karmic? there was a guy asking here, but he just left of course
[21:31] <drbobb> hello again, i'm trying to do an install of karmic from an image of the alternate cd, w/o using an optical drive (cause mine's broken), and the procedure i used for jaunty is not working with karmic. does anyone have any experience on this?
[21:31] <aliendude5300> tormod: I am unable to restart X with Alt-SysRq-K when it locks up
[21:31] <aliendude5300> It's that bad :(
[21:32] <wekt> How can one file a bug against ubuntuforums.org?  i found reports for it as a package by that name, but when I use the web interface, it fails to find it.  apport does not work at all, so i can't use that.
[21:32] <tormod> aliendude5300, I see. try downgrading mesa to see if you can isolate the issue
[21:32] <aliendude5300> tormod: How can I downgrade it?
[21:33] <wekt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuforums.org/+filebug?no-redirect   is the URL I attempt to use to file a bug, which does not work.
[21:33] <tormod> aliendude5300, you probably have the old packages in /var/cache/apt/archives
[21:33] <aliendude5300> I'll check.
[21:34] <tormod> aliendude5300, ls /var/cache/apt/archives/*7.6.1*
[21:34] <tormod> aliendude5300, sorry 7.6.0 (still)
[21:35] <aliendude5300> nothing found. I'll use a pastebin to show you full directory.
[21:36] <aliendude5300> Weird thing is -- I'm on the PC right now with the issues, and it almost froze two more times; firefox and inkscape randomly froze and forcefully quite with no notification or apport messages
[21:37] <aliendude5300> http://pastebay.com/60989
[21:37] <tormod> aliendude5300, check dmesg output and /var/crash
[21:38] <aliendude5300> The whole system didn't freeze now. I'm going to try to check dmesg
[21:38] <aliendude5300> tormod: Wow, I was about to do that 0.o
[21:38] <aliendude5300> dmesg: http://pastebay.com/60990
[21:39] <tormod> aliendude5300, you only have 13 packages in the cache?
[21:39] <aliendude5300> yes.
[21:39] <aliendude5300> I'm unsure why myself.
[21:40] <tormod> aliendude5300, you have all kind of issues :) running out of memory is the worst
[21:40] <tormod> aliendude5300, no wonder (big) processes disappears
[21:40] <aliendude5300> tormod: I have 2GB ram.
[21:41] <aliendude5300> Right now usage is at 990MB according to top running as root
[21:41] <thiebaude> wow
[21:41] <tormod> aliendude5300, I know, and no swap, why?
[21:41] <tormod> you seem to have crypt issues. is swap encrypted?
[21:42] <aliendude5300> Only have an 80GB hard disk, and I see no need for a swap with 2GB ram.
[21:42] <aliendude5300> I'm not sure what those crypt issues are to be honest.
[21:42] <tormod> you have encrypted home?
[21:42] <aliendude5300> Theres a heck of a lot of them though :/
[21:42] <aliendude5300> No. My home directory shouldn't be encrypted.
[21:44] <koma_> i've some problem with grub2, the string "search" make the system unusable beacause  the UID that it search  where not found
[21:44] <koma_> (hi all :D)
[21:45] <tormod> aliendude5300, so what's eating 990MB?
[21:45]  * aliendude5300 has been using Ubuntu since Edgy Eft without a swap partition, and no problems so far.
[21:45] <aliendude5300> Firefox is using 533MB right now.
[21:45] <sebsebseb> aliendude5300: yeah  SWAP isn't  always needed
[21:46] <tormod> aliendude5300, you don't need a swap normally
[21:46] <aliendude5300> Inkscape is using 363MB even though its not running... why?!?
[21:46] <drbobb> does karmic use grub2 by default?
[21:46] <tormod> drbobb, yes on new installs
[21:47] <drbobb> ok thx
[21:47] <aliendude5300> Inkscape crashed and it's still in memory but theres no window... this is unusual.
[21:47] <aliendude5300> Skype is using 7MB
[21:47] <aliendude5300> err 35MB*
[21:48] <tormod> aliendude5300, have you checked your memory and other hardware?
[21:48] <aliendude5300> My memory is fine. I had no issues prior to today,
[21:48] <aliendude5300> I'm using "performance ram"... Crucial Ballistix DDR3.
[21:49] <tormod> koma_, if the UUID is wrong, use the grub command line to find your root manually
[21:49] <aliendude5300> Err Ballistix Tracer to be exact.
[21:50] <aliendude5300> This is the memory I have: http://www.crucial.com/store/partspecs.aspx?IMODULE=BL2KIT12864TN1608 2x 1GB modules.
[21:50] <tormod> aliendude5300, is seems all fscked up, try a live CD to rule out HW, then fsck (sic) your drives from there
[21:50]  * aliendude5300 despised Live CDs... so slow, and alternative installer works much better...
[21:51] <tormod> aliendude5300, run the "live CD" from a USB stick
[21:51] <undeconstructed> seconded, that's what I'm doing right now
[21:51]  * tormod hasn't run a plastic CD for years
[21:52] <speel> has any one experienced flash glitches with the latest beta?
[21:52] <aliendude5300> What should I do from a live environment that I can't do regularly?
[21:52] <aliendude5300> I can fsck my drive from a linux terminal without X runnning...
[21:52] <sebsebseb> speel: of  Karmic?  or did I  maybe refer you to the wrong channel
[21:53] <speel> yea karmic
[21:53] <tormod> aliendude5300, don't tell me everything is fine without X?
[21:53] <koma_> tormod,  no problem with this, but everytime there is a new kernel it regenerate the wrong configuration
[21:53] <sebsebseb> speel: well Flash can be an issue in Ubuntu
[21:53] <aliendude5300> tormod: I haven't had anything freeze without the X server running yet...
[21:53] <sebsebseb> speel: in Firefox
[21:53] <sebsebseb> speel: What kind of issues are you having?
[21:54] <speel> sebsebseb, yea its strange like on some sites playing wont work, seeking wont work and problems with loading
[21:54] <tormod> aliendude5300, try running with Option "DRI" "off"
[21:54] <aliendude5300> In xorg.conf?
[21:54] <tormod> yes
[21:54] <sebsebseb> speel: oh  right uhmm not sure about that, but  Flash in Firefox can slow Ubuntu installs down
[21:54] <tormod> aliendude5300, yes Device section
[21:54] <aliendude5300> do I have to restart X for that to take effect?
[21:54] <tormod> yes
[21:55] <speel> sebsebseb, is the plugin for flash stored in /usr/lib?
[21:55] <aliendude5300> What is DRI? I never had issues with it before.
[21:55] <aliendude5300> Now that I think of it, prior to updating, I had compiz enabled. Now it seems to have disabled itself...
[21:56] <sebsebseb> speel: not sure
[21:56] <sebsebseb> I had an issue with Flash last night myself in Karmic in Firefox things were so slow/laggy
[21:56] <speel> sebsebseb, alright i'll do some research thanks man
[21:56] <aliendude5300> heres what's in my xorg.conf (the whole thing):
[21:56] <aliendude5300> Section "ServerFlags"
[21:56] <aliendude5300> 	Option	"DontZap"	"False"
[21:56] <aliendude5300> EndSection
[21:56] <sebsebseb> speel: there's Gnash and Swfdec as altneratives they may be good enough for what you want
[21:57] <aliendude5300> Three lines.
[21:57] <sebsebseb> speel: also using Flash in another browser such as Galeon or Epiphany usaully works nicely
[21:59] <aliendude5300> Am I in the right xorg.conf? It seems empty. Nothing about DRI in here...
[21:59] <speel> i'll try that out
[21:59] <tormod> aliendude5300, yes that's fine. add a Device section with just that option
[22:00] <aliendude5300> Whoa... I just noticed Adobe Flash is acting up... It's flickering a LOT.
[22:00] <aliendude5300> sebsebseb , speel: I'm also having issues with Flash. Must be a common problem/
[22:00] <speel> aliendude5300, is your computer 64bit by any chance?
[22:01] <tormod> aliendude5300, to downgrade mesa you can also try apt-get install PACKAGE=VERSION
[22:01] <aliendude5300> speel: I'm not running a 64-bit OS, although I'm on a Core 2 Quad. I'm also experiencing issues on my other PC, a Core i7 Extreme running Karmic Alpha latest updates.
[22:02] <speel> aliendude5300, hmm perhaps its a bug
[22:02] <speel> im also having problems with wireless connection stability
[22:02] <speel> no matter what network i'm in
[22:03] <aliendude5300> I'm on a wired network. No issues.
[22:03] <aliendude5300> Although for some reason my network icon shows a pic of the wireless connection icon with no bars, I still get full internet speed via a wired connection.
[22:04] <aliendude5300> I don't care much about that though, it's only a minor issue compared to the crashes, etc.
[22:04] <speel> aliendude5300, I haven't tried wired connection yet...but it seems I also have connection issues when using flash
[22:05] <aliendude5300> my flash is flickering a lot. Definately seem to be having graphics stability problems.
[22:07] <aliendude5300> My internet seems to be working perfectly fine. http://www.speedtest.net/result/591326606.png :D
[22:08] <koma_> i've some problem with grub2, the string "search" make the system unusable beacause  the UID that it search  where not found
[22:08] <koma_> the  UUID seems to be correct
[22:09] <koma_> but it can't find it
[22:09] <rom1v> Hi
[22:09] <rom1v> nvidia 185 doesn't seem to work
[22:10] <Jordan_U> koma_: What file system?
[22:10] <rom1v> ext4
[22:10] <rom1v> oups
[22:10] <aliendude5300> speel: See if it's your ISP, try running a test at http://www.pingtest.net/
[22:10] <rom1v> :)
[22:10] <undeconstructed> rom1v: how badly does it not work for you exactly?
[22:11] <koma_> ext4
[22:11] <rom1v> I install nvidia-glx-185, but it's still nv which is used
[22:11] <rom1v> (no acceleration)
[22:11] <koma_> Jordan_U,  ext4
[22:11] <aliendude5300> If you have bad line quality, it could be causing the connection issues.
[22:12] <Jordan_U> koma_: If you go to the command line in grub and run "ls -l" does it show the file system and the correct UUID?
[22:12] <koma_> mhhhh i don't know
[22:12] <koma_> i mean i've booted now
[22:12] <rom1v> in "proprietary drivers", if I click on enable, it downloads the driver, but I can't enable it
[22:12] <speel> aliendude5300, well its not matter what network i'm in ( usually i'm at home or at school )
[22:12] <rom1v> it is always "disabled"
[22:12] <koma_> how can i check that's the right UUID?
[22:13] <rom1v> my card is 9300
[22:13] <koma_> "search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 351f57d8-8adb-4c29-83ae-f348f7a7e2f5" is wrong probably... because it can't find it...
[22:13] <Nattgew> how can I set the background in gnome-shell?
[22:14] <Jordan_U> koma_: Try in grub-emu, though that uses linux to access the kernel so it might work even if grub at boot doesn't
[22:14] <Jordan_U> koma_: "sudo grub-emu"
[22:14] <koma_> mhhh
[22:14] <koma_> 351f57d8-8adb-4c29-83ae-f348f7a7e2f5
[22:15] <koma_> but it say ext2
[22:15] <koma_> .. it's ext4
[22:15] <Jordan_U> koma_: That's normal
[22:15] <Jordan_U> koma_: There is one driver in grub for ext2/3/4 and it's "ext2"
[22:16] <koma_> ok
[22:16] <aliendude5300> speel: What ISP does the problem occur on? Is it the same at both places?
[22:16] <OzoNe> anyone having network problems? all others PCs on the LAN runs OK
[22:16] <Jordan_U> koma_: There are also some BIOSs that report external USB drives as floppy drives, so you might try without the --no-floppy
[22:16] <speel> at home its road runner ( time warner ) and at school i'm not sure who supplies the connection for them
[22:17] <koma_> it's a laptop
[22:17] <koma_> no floppy or USB periferal connected at boot
[22:17] <koma_> i try to reboot and check what UUID it found
[22:17] <speel> aliendude5300, I just ran the ping test 0% packet loss, ping 63ms jitter 39ms
[22:17] <koma_> ls -l in console
[22:17] <koma_> /exec sudo init 6
[22:17] <Jordan_U> koma_: Yes
[22:18] <elumbella> does anyone know, why it's empathy instead of pidgin in 9.10?
[22:18] <Jordan_U> [sudo] password for koma:
[22:18] <elumbella> is there a reasion for that?
[22:18] <Jordan_U> koma_: :)
[22:18] <aliendude5300> Jitter is a little high, but you should be on a very reliable connection. No packets were lost and its reasonably fast.
[22:19] <Jaymac> elumbella, http://blog.thesilentnumber.me/2009/06/empathy-in-ubuntu-karmic-910-or-karmic.html
[22:19] <aliendude5300> It might have to do with your wireless adapter. Try on a wired connection. Some wireless adapters have little support under linux, sadly.
[22:20] <elumbella> thx Jaymac
[22:21] <Jaymac> elumbella, some of the reasoning is there
[22:21] <koma__> back
[22:22] <koma__> Disk cannot be accessed
[22:22] <koma__> o something like this
[22:22] <elumbella> i hope, they add plugin extendability to empathy soon. until that, i'll still use pidgin
[22:24] <Nattgew> elumbella, me too, pidgin has some good plugins
[22:26] <urthmover> top ftw
[22:29] <wekt> i looked into empathy.  pidgin extensibility looks better.
[22:29] <dotblank3> I like pidgin alot more
[22:29] <elumbella> has btw someone figured out, how to hide the skype-tray-icon?
[22:30] <undeconstructed> is it possible to list all installed packages without the system running?  I have my disk mounted while I'm under livecd, getting ready for a reinstall..
[22:30] <elumbella> yeah. i'll take a loot again in 10.04
[22:30] <pwuertz> is the empathy for pidgin replacement final?
[22:30] <tormod> undeconstructed, use dpkg in a chroot
[22:31] <pwuertz> pidgin works so much better than empathy, I think its just not quite ready yet...
[22:32] <tormod> undeconstructed, this should give a nice list: dpkg --get-selections | awk '/install$/{print $1}'
[22:32] <elumbella> i hope, that a lot newbies will use it to report bugs and ideas
[22:32] <undeconstructed> tomsku: perfect, thankyou
[22:32] <undeconstructed> sorry, tormod: perfect, thankyou
[22:33] <tormod> undeconstructed, don't forget the chroot otherwise you'll see what's on the live CD :)
[22:34] <undeconstructed> looks like my list, I'm pretty sure there aren't nearly 2000 packages on the livecd
[22:35] <yoritomo> hello all
[22:35] <yoritomo> big problem in karmic today
[22:36] <yoritomo> update impossible
[22:36] <yoritomo> allways finishing by an error, even if i disable the file which occured the error
[22:37] <tormod> undeconstructed, also very handy to list 3rd party debs: aptitude search '~i!~Oubuntu'
[22:38] <Drachenblut> okay can anyone tell me how to disable kpackagekit from trying to autoupdate?  I tried from in the gui but it just keeps doing it
[22:38] <Nattgew> yoritomo: what's the error? can you post it here or on pastebin?
[22:38] <tormod> yoritomo, you sure want us to guess what the error is?
[22:38] <undeconstructed> thanks again, but considering its going to be a downgrade, its all going be a bit haphazard, so I just want a starting point
[22:38] <yoritomo> wait i try to paste, but pastebin said i am spamming because it has links :s
[22:39] <yoritomo> http://paste.ubuntu-fr-secours.org/src-41219
[22:39] <Jaymac> yoritomo, have you tried sudo apt-get install -f?
[22:39] <yoritomo> that is the automatic updates
[22:39] <yoritomo> by the gui
[22:39] <Jaymac> yoritomo, have you got a proxy?
[22:40] <yoritomo> nothing changed
[22:40] <Nattgew> yoritomo: have you tried checking for updates again?
[22:40] <Jaymac> yoritomo, i just tried a few of your links
[22:40] <Jaymac> they don't exist
[22:40] <wildweathel> I've had a similar problem when I was out of sync.  sudo apt-get update should work.
[22:40] <Jaymac> try a different mirror
[22:40] <Jaymac> change to the main mirror and see if that works
[22:41] <tormod> yoritomo, just click "Check" in the update-manager GUI
[22:41] <yoritomo> i did but no change, i rebooted as well
[22:41] <yoritomo> but still occur
[22:42] <DopeGhoti> Hello, Is there perhance a set of weather icons that meshes better with the rest of the new gnome-panel applet pictography
[22:42] <DopeGhoti> ?
[22:42] <yoritomo> and i tryed source key of launchpad but could not access neither :s
[22:42] <Jaymac> yoritomo, for example, in your pastebin file, it is looking for the file: mesa-utils_7.6.0-1ubuntu3_amd64.deb
[22:42] <bjsnider> gnome-panel's days are numbered
[22:43] <Jaymac> on your mirror, the newest version is mesa-utils_7.6.0-1ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[22:43] <Jaymac> yoritomo, change to a diffferent mirror
[22:44] <yoritomo> then what can happens? may i paste any config file or logs?
[22:44] <yoritomo> heu, well but how to do that ?
[22:44] <Jaymac> yoritomo, i have the 7.6.0-1ubuntu3 version installed on my machine, using the main server
[22:44] <wildweathel> System -> Administration -> Software Sources  (using English names)
[22:44] <Jaymac> yoritomo, Système > Administration
[22:45] <yoritomo> but i did not touch to the sources, can it be autoupdated ?
[22:45] <wildweathel> Yori, the problem is that the mirror you're using is out of date.
[22:45] <Jaymac> yoritomo, select a new mirror
[22:45] <wildweathel> You could wait a hour or so, or pick a different mirror.
[22:45] <Jaymac> Telecharger de:
[22:46] <Jaymac> pick the main one
[22:46] <yoritomo> i use the main server to see
[22:46] <Jaymac> that will work
[22:46] <yoritomo> only 2 options, main server or belgium ubuntu
[22:47] <Travis-42> is there no apt-listbugs package in karmic? I tried to install it, but apt tells me that it can't find it
[22:47] <Jaymac> yoritomo, choose main server
[22:47] <topyli> apt-listbugs lists debian bugs afaik
[22:47] <Jaymac> yoritomo, or you can click others, below...
[22:48] <yoritomo> looks like working now
[22:48] <Jaymac> :)
[22:48] <yoritomo> lets see the end
[22:48] <Travis-42> topyli: ah, didn't realize that, thanks
[22:49] <yoritomo> first time i notice it about the updates
[22:49] <topyli> Travis-42, we have all those, and much more! :)
[22:49] <yoritomo> youpiiiiiiiie  done :) thanks a lot
[22:50] <yoritomo> then i will try again to get the pub key for launchpad
[22:51] <yoritomo> same about the key server, still blocked
[22:53] <freinhard> cups webinterface doesn't work in konqueror?
[22:53] <freinhard> cant switch "tabs" in a printers default settings
[22:56] <yoritomo> i got it for the pubkey request launchpad for lmms http://paste.ubuntu-fr-secours.org/src-41222
[23:12] <SashaL> Hello
[23:12] <SashaL> I've just ran update, and got the following message: "python-qt4: Depends: python-sip4 (< 4.9) but 4.9-1 is to be installed."
[23:13] <SashaL> Is it... ok?
[23:13] <DopeGhoti> SashaL: sounds like something is depending on the qt4 python libraries to *not* be up to the latest version.
[23:14] <freinhard> SashaL: wait a while and update again
[23:14] <SashaL> Okay, Thanks
[23:15] <freinhard> (i don't get that python-sip4 update on i386)
[23:15] <SashaL> ah, looks like its 'cola' that causes this dependency
[23:16] <SashaL> I'm on amd64 btw
[23:18] <SashaL> Looks like if I remove a package called 'git-cola' update works well
[23:19] <toshy2too> can anyone tell me why in grub2 if I specify a resolution and gfxpayload=keep, I get a blank screen between grub and gdm?
[23:20] <DopeGhoti> toshy2too: is your gfxpayload the same resolution and bit depth as your X resolution?
[23:20] <toshy2too> DopeGhoti, same res, not specifying bit depth
[23:21] <yoritomo> grub is particulary slow on karmic,
[23:21] <DopeGhoti> toshy2too: try specifying the bit depth as the same as wha tyou use in X
[23:21] <DopeGhoti> (e. g. x16, x24, x32)
[23:21] <toshy2too> DopeGhoti, as in 1024x768x16?
[23:22] <DopeGhoti> toshy2too: indeed.  Set it with 'E' rather than editing the config though- if it works, then make it a permenant change
[23:22] <toshy2too> DopeGhoti, can you give me the command?
[23:23] <DopeGhoti> toshy2too: on the GRUB boot menu, press E and you can edit the commands that will be passed to grub.  just add (e. g.) x32 to the GFX line that sets your screen resolution, and then boot
[23:23] <DopeGhoti> toshy2too: if it works, then make the change in the configs and update-grub
[23:24] <toshy2too> DopeGhoti, ok, I'll look for that thx.
[23:24] <DopeGhoti> toshy2too: anytime
[23:27] <_tuxxy> anyone else have issues with flash on 64-bit.  For example youtube videos play buttons and time tracker do not respond.  Other websites it just does not recognize that I am clicking on items.  I am using the 64-bit adobe plugin btw and do you think I should file a big for this
[23:29] <undeconstructed> _tuxxy: several people have mentioned flash problems here.  yesterday I was finding that I had to repeatedly click on anything to be noticed.
[23:30] <_tuxxy> ok well aslong as its not just me then, do you run 64-bit adobe plugin aswell
[23:30] <undeconstructed> yes, I think everyone who's mentioned a problem has been
[23:31] <_tuxxy> I see but thats normally such a good plugin, this is the first time I had any issues with it.  Although its still better for me than using the 32-bit flash
[23:33] <drbobb> ok, the methods that used to work for installing ubuntu without a cd are failing with karmic
[23:34] <drbobb> does anyone know a method that works?
[23:34] <SashaL> without cd? like a liveusb?
[23:34] <DopeGhoti> drbobb: I was unable to boot a LiveUSB, so I just upgraded from Jaunty, and it worked.
[23:35] <drbobb> (i am not talking about the netbook remix and its usb img files, i want regular ubuntu)
[23:35] <SashaL> i used unetbootin (http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/) to create a regular ubuntu liveusb
[23:35] <DopeGhoti> drbobb: so am I.
[23:35] <SashaL> worked for the beta iso
[23:36] <nowimproved> I just updated to 9.10 should I remove my home directory before I reboot?
[23:36] <drbobb> SashaL: does it work with the alternate installer?
[23:37] <drbobb> DopeGhoti: I am not taking the chance, it took me a lot of effort to get jaunty to work (somewhat) with my h/w
[23:38] <drbobb> i don't want to ruin that before i'm convinced that karmic works decently
[23:38] <SashaL> drbobb, I didn't try the alternative installer
[23:38] <cybersplice> drbobb: Why not DD your existing install?
[23:38] <freenose> Any ideas why would sound work without X and doesn't in X? when I 'startx' then press ctrl-atl-F1 to see messages, it says 'dropping master'
[23:38] <drbobb> cybersplice: well i have bad experiences with release upgrades in general
[23:39] <drbobb> and i still have enough space on my drive for a root fs for karmic (i use LVM, which makes it easy)
[23:39] <cybersplice> drbobb: So don't upgrade. DD your hard disk to an image, then reinstal lfrom scratch.
[23:40] <drbobb> cybersplice: my dvd drive is broken and won't read home-burned discs
[23:40] <cybersplice> drbobb: What a conundrum.
[23:41] <drbobb> cybersplice: i don't need to dd my existing install, i can keep it in place and allocate space for a second install
[23:41] <froodie> nvidia/x not working for anyone else
[23:41] <froodie> ?
[23:41] <drbobb> cybersplice: but i haven't been able to carry out that second install, that's the issue
[23:41] <cybersplice> drbobb: I tend to err on the side of wild paranoia. :)
[23:41] <cybersplice> drbobb: Tried the alternate install?
[23:41] <drbobb> yes
[23:42] <scream> If I run the install CD, will it install a new copy will maintaining all the data in my current home directory?
[23:42] <drbobb> cybersplice: it bails out with some error about being unable to determine codename (?)
[23:42] <assoguerozen_sx> guys i totally removed pulseaudio here, but i cant make esound work right (system>>preferences>>sound doesnt response)
[23:42] <coz_> hey guys..well after all updates..again ctrl+alt+F1  gives me a blank screen or  sometimes one with a grid of dark blue squares......anyone else having issues with this?
[23:42] <nowimproved> will I be able to update 9.10 alpha to the stable when it comes out?
[23:43] <assoguerozen_sx> i just want a sound server like 8.10/9.04
[23:43] <SashaL> nowimproved, You want to skip the beta/rc?
[23:43] <freenose> nowimproved: yes
[23:43] <assoguerozen_sx> any idea?
[23:44] <nowimproved> I hope this thing, still keeps my system usable
[23:44] <scream> If I run the install CD, will it install a new copy will maintaining all the data in my current home directory?
[23:45] <cybersplice> drbobb: huh! how odd.
[23:45] <acuster> hey all, is there a strategy for installing on a machine with very limited vram (1MB)? I am getting wierd freezes of the screen, for example if i resize the terminal to take up a big amount of space.
[23:45] <freenose> scream: is your home dir is in another partition then it can be done
[23:45] <legend2440> coz_: yes i had same issue. it has to do with latest usplash updates. i got my ttys to work again by removing word "splash" from the  /etc/default/grub file then save file and  in terminal run   sudo update-grub. then reboot
[23:45] <drbobb> cybersplice: yeah that was with one version of installing from hdd
[23:45] <scream> freenose, ok
[23:46] <cybersplice> drbobb: have you considered making a bootable usb stick from one of the ISOs?
[23:46] <DopeGhoti> acuster: did you try the alternate install CD?  Failing that, Server Edition?
[23:46] <drbobb> cybersplice: yes, the procedure is documented
[23:46] <freenose> acuster: use tinycore ;)
[23:47] <cybersplice> What hardware are you using, anyway?
[23:47] <drbobb> cybersplice: but it doesn't seem to work with the current alternate iso
[23:47] <SashaL> drbobb, try using unetbootin to create a liveusb of the regular iso
[23:47] <cybersplice> How irritating.
[23:47] <acuster> DopeGhoti, the install went fine, boot goes fine, I ran apt-get dist-upgrade from one of the consoles
[23:47] <scream> freenose, so during the install process, I'll just instruct it to use the physical partition (/home) and I'll be permitted to redo other partitions?
[23:47] <drbobb> cybersplice: syslinux wants the usb stick formatted with fat, while the iso contains a number of symlinks
[23:47] <drbobb> and fat does not support symlinks
[23:48] <acuster> freenose, I'd rather stay with jaunty at that rate
[23:48] <drbobb> cybersplice: it's a 3.5yr old laptop
[23:48] <drbobb> the dvd drive is malfunctioning, but it's hardly worth replacing
[23:48] <cybersplice> Ah, i see.
[23:49] <drbobb> i only use optical drives for booting installers, anyway
[23:49] <acuster> I guess I'm mostly wondering if X has changed fundamentally between the two releases; is Ubuntu doing something different with X for karmic?
[23:49] <drbobb> so i was hoping to get by entirely w/o replacing it
[23:50] <acuster> or asked another way perhaps, how does Karmic behave under very limited texture map space?
[23:50] <drbobb> usb storage is so much more convenient than burning dvds and cds
[23:51] <Jordan_U> acuster: I assume you aren't running compiz?
[23:51] <acuster> or perhaps yet another way, where does one ask such a question of the ubuntu team working on X?
[23:52] <ubox> hey all
[23:52] <drbobb> SashaL: i believe the regular desktop installers don't play nice with LVM, that's why i insist on using the alternate iso
[23:53] <SashaL> drbobb, They don't? I wasn't aware of that
[23:53] <drbobb> SashaL: well that's what the docs say
[23:53] <drbobb> although it can probably be worked around
[23:55] <ubox> who else is in love with karmic? lol
[23:55] <ubox> maybe also kde4
[23:56] <DopeGhoti> ubox: the new KDE is a lot more appealing than the past few releases, to be sure. Karmic's coming together quite well
[23:56] <ubox> it\s soo nice with compositing my girlfriend asked me to put it on while she is at work
[23:56] <ubox> tired of windows
[23:57] <drbobb> DopeGhoti: i find the new kde quite ugly, at least it took me a while to find some themes that look bearable
[23:57] <ubox> i'm even out of bugs, minus the kpackagekit authentication thing
[23:57] <drbobb> but i suppose that's subjective
[23:57] <ubox> drbobb, compared to what?
[23:57] <ubox> i must agree that the menu is abit huge and gross
[23:58] <drbobb> ubox: compared to kde3.5 with a good choice of theme
[23:58] <acuster> Jordan_U, I was running whatever is installed by default in Karmic i386 install
[23:58] <ubox> oh, i have not used it before. i haven't been around linux's for years. just came back a few months ago from being a mac user. started with ubuntu 8.10 then jumped to kubuntu 9.10 on my new pc laptop
[23:59] <acuster> Jordan_U, but I'd gladly disable 'effects' if there's a way to do so
[23:59] <DopeGhoti> K is in many ways a lot more Mac-y
[23:59] <DopeGhoti> But then so is GNOME, in other ways :)
[23:59] <ubox> yea i have to admit the shiny side of it is what makes it appealing
[23:59] <Jordan_U> acuster: I don't think it would even start with 1 meg of RAM but make sure that "desktop effects" are disabled in System > Preferences > Appearance
[23:59] <drbobb> ubox: actually i wanted to switch to gnome after several years of kde
[23:59] <ubox> yea gnome works better in a lot of ways