[03:59] <HacKDarK> hola...
[11:47] <popey> tsimpson: is that documented on the wiki somewhere?
[12:34] <jussi01> popey: refering to the ops question?
[12:34] <popey> yes
[12:35] <jussi01> !gudelines | popey
[12:35] <jussi01> !guidelines | popey
[12:35] <jussi01> its there
[12:36] <popey> so it is
[12:36] <popey> its always struck me as a bizarre system
[12:36] <jussi01> popey: why so?
[12:36] <popey> it's somewhat cabal-like
[12:37] <jussi01> popey: care to elaborate some?
[12:39] <popey> it lends itself to allowing a group of people to grant access to people via a closed system of selection, and if your face doesn't fit, you're not allowed in
[12:39] <popey> the whole 'dont ask for ops' has been around for years on irc (not just in Ubuntu) I appreciate that, but I feel uneasy about it in Ubuntu
[12:42] <jussi01> popey: while selection process may need review, (and imho everything should be reviewed, even if it doesnt change) - I dont think the "dont ask for ops" part of it is a problem.
[12:42] <popey> but it's an anomoly
[12:42] <popey> we don't have that policy elsewhere
[12:42] <popey> we don't say "don't ask to be an ubuntu member", "dont ask to be on the loco council", "dont ask to be a motu".. etc
[12:43] <popey> I'm of course not suggesting anyone who asks should get ops, that would be daft.
[12:43] <jussi01> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1252895
[12:44] <popey> it doesnt happen in loco channels that I'm aware of, only core channels?
[12:47] <jussi01> loco channels are free to appoint ops in their own way, as I understand it.
[12:48] <jpds> jussi01: Well, it should be: "Can I be a moderator?", "No, because of x, y, z".
[12:50] <popey> IMO an application process (akin to membership) whereby applicats can provide details of their contribution on their wiki page would be more sane than just saying "no".
[12:51] <jpds> So if someone asks: "Can I be an op" (because they're new to IRC or whatever), we review them, and then say: "No/Yes, because of c, b, a".
[12:51] <jpds> popey += 1
[12:52] <Pici> popey: Thats sane, but the procedure should be across the board then, for forums and IRC.
[12:52] <popey> That would seem sane too Pici
[12:53] <Pici> (funny that the first thing I say today is sane and I havent even had my caffeine yet)
[12:54] <nalioth> Pici: so really, it's insane?
[12:54]  * nalioth runs
[12:56] <arand> Should really the #ubuntu-proxy-users kick in when using the freenode webchat?
[13:02] <Pici> arand: Is there a reason it shouldnt?
[13:05] <arand> Pici: hm, maybe not, I just guessed that with the webchat the issues of abuse would not be as severe... ?
[13:10] <Pici> arand: Using the forward ensures that if we ban someone when they aren't using the webchat that they cannot circumvent that by using it.
[13:19] <arand> Pici: Ah, ok fair enough, thnaks for the info
[18:27] <popey> what do I have to do to request a kline around here?
[18:28] <popey> specifically in -uk
[18:30] <Pici> popey: klines are network wide, is this something thats happening just in -uk and cannot be handled with just a ban?
[18:31] <popey> AIUI it happens in other channels I am not an op of
[18:31] <popey> I believe Gary is aware of it
[18:33] <Pici> popey: Can you describe what the issue is?
[18:34] <niko> xcdfgkjhgcv is the issue
[18:35] <popey> a user who was previously known as Samuel-AFK or Samuel-NotAFK has been rude, sexist and offensive in -uk for many months. He returned with a nick which was usually xcd*
[18:35] <popey> refuses to accept that he has been previously kicked/banned
[18:35] <popey> keeps coming back
[18:35] <Pici> Oh.. that guy.
[18:35] <popey> i have attempted to have normal social discourse with the person, and have even provided ubuntu related assistance to him in the recent past, but he keeps coming back and exhibiting the same behaviour
[18:36] <Pici> xcdfgkjhgcv [n=iuyhgf@5ada4984.bb.sky.com]
[18:36] <popey> he is also on 86-159-13-3.range86-159.btcentralplus.com
[18:37] <popey> i need to pop off and bath my kids.. back in a bit.
[19:17] <ubot2> jonasbjork called the ops in #ubuntu-se ()
[19:19] <Neuromancer_> how to get an ubuntu cloak?
[19:21] <niko> !member
[19:21] <Neuromancer_> thanks
[19:53] <Pici> popey: I'm a bit busy at the moment, but the same user that you're talking about has also been a problem in the core ubuntu channels.  I've asked to see if one of the other ircc members can put something together so that we can see if freenode staff can take a look for us.
[19:58] <popey> thanks Pici
[21:37] <ikonia> popey: are you there ?
[21:41] <popey> i am
[21:41] <ikonia> hello  popey good new
[21:41] <ikonia> news
[21:41] <popey> oh?
[21:41] <ikonia> I've had samual banned from his schools network - he was using a proxy of an educational network I put in (or part of it) so I know the process to complain to the administrators
[21:42] <popey> hah
[21:42] <ikonia> I'm also in the process of writing a hand written letter to his head teacher which will be hand delivered to his school as he goes to a school which is about 5 minutes drive from one of my clients at the moment
[21:42] <ikonia> so I'll be dopping in a letter to his head teacher to share with his parents, including snippets of his comments
[21:42] <popey> that's over and abovethe call of duty ikonia
[21:42] <ikonia> well.......I like to deliver
[21:43] <popey> thats very much appreciated
[21:43] <ikonia> I'm happy to waste 30 minutes of my day to walk down to his school
[21:43] <ikonia> plus I can then speak to the head teacher and explain it's not just missuse, I'm sure his parents would be delighted to know their childs behaviour