=== abderrahim is now known as rad-net [00:13] il est y a des marrocain la non [00:13] quel est le sujet de cette nuit === freeflyi2g is now known as freeflying === Andre_Gondim is now known as Andre_Gondim-afk === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth === highvolt1ge is now known as highvoltage === porthose|afk is now known as porthose === doko__ is now known as doko === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [11:16] hi === ramadasan is now known as aamachu [11:17] hi [11:19] persia: elky: lifeless: Hi [11:25] oh hai [11:26] aamachu, hi! [11:26] sorry, was cooking food [11:26] elky: what's special at kitchen? [11:26] elky: thats ok [11:26] i din't send a reminder today.. [11:26] and was also late [11:27] just the world's most boring chow mein. mince, water chestnuts, diced capsicum. [11:28] i thought i had cabbage, but no :( [11:28] oh ok.. even then its different for me from chennai.. [11:28] was twenty min late [11:29] just wanted to know, did anyone else turned up other than us [11:29] just you and i it seems [11:29] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania [11:29] also the participants are not here [11:30] well, i guess we adjourn then [11:30] yes [11:31] we will meet on 27 Oct, same time [11:31] do you have anything else to share? [11:32] nope, see you on the 27th [11:32] ok.. bye then.. have fun [11:32] :) [11:33] Sorry to be late. [11:33] persia: we all are [11:34] i should have sent the reminder [11:34] Such is life sometimes. Until next time. [11:34] persia, we still lack quorum and applicants, so you get off easy ;) [11:34] heh :) [11:41] persia: elky: bye === hggdh_ is now known as hggdh === fader|aw` is now known as fader === marjomercado is now known as marjo [14:01] NCommander: Hey [14:02] hi [14:02] hi [14:02] hi [14:02] ih [14:02] * StevenK says hi, just to be different [14:03] moo [14:03] Can someone please pick up the meeting from NCommander? [14:03] I'm ringing him [14:04] Ooh, it's only 9am [14:04] GrueMaster: ping [14:04] ogra: ping [14:04] pong. [14:05] 6am here. [14:05] 3pm here [14:05] lool, can't reach NCommander neither phone is answered [14:05] 9am where NCommander is, it's midnight here [14:05] 8:00 AM in the correct time zone [14:05] Someone please pick up the meeting; everybody knows how it goes, right? :-) [14:05] ogra, can you take the meeting please [14:05] plars: pffft. [14:06] oh, no NCommander ? [14:06] [startmeeting] [14:06] bah [14:06] # [14:06] [#startmeeting] [14:06] Without brackets [14:06] #startmeeting [14:06] Meeting started at 08:06. The chair is ogra. [14:06] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [14:06] ogra was just waiting for one of us to type it so we would chair it [14:06] aha [14:06] Exactly [14:06] It was very tempting :) [14:07] Haha [14:07] * ogra tried at least [14:07] I nearly fell for it [14:07] No meeting page i'm afraid [14:07] yeah, i was just searching [14:08] i guess we can take last weeks [14:08] [topic] action items [14:08] New Topic: action items [14:08] [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap [14:08] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap [14:08] ah, i't just slow [14:09] [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20091006 [14:09] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20091006 [14:09] bit recycling :P [14:09] * NCommander coughs [14:09] lubuntu seed was finally fixed [14:09] dyfet to move lubuntu seed to proper location and enable the meta on amd64 [14:09] lool to test fix for RTC battery charging [14:10] lool, fsl asked for more measuring [14:10] this was done, the problem was I always generated the seed when I built the meta and did not save the seed list in the meta...so others after broke the architecture building new instances [14:10] NCommander: Ah ha! You're late to avoid chairing! [14:10] because I run ./update before debuild... [14:10] NCommander, slacker ! [14:10] dyfet, well, thats the right thing usually [14:10] StevenK, my laptop decided to fsck itself booting up. 10 minutes later ... [14:10] dyfet: I don't understand a thing but I dont think we need to cover details since it works now [14:11] lool: agreed its done [14:11] well, if it surely does [14:11] ogra: I didn't get the query from FSL part [14:11] ogra: Which one is that? [14:11] ogra: RTC isn't charging for me with latest ubuntu kernel; I didnt remove the resistors since you tested a 2.6.28 kernel where that wasnt needed IIUC [14:12] Bug 427289 [14:12] Launchpad bug 427289 in linux-fsl-imx51 "hardware clock not saved if board power is removed on babbage 2.5" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/427289 [14:12] There was an action on "bjf to check with amit on going indepth on armel bugs" [14:12] ogra: Are you actually covering the actions from last week? [14:12] yes [14:13] we dont have any new ones [14:13] given we dont have any new wikipage :P [14:13] there was a new post in that bug with a kernel config from fsl [14:13] ogra: I already answered on the RTC thing last week [14:13] right [14:13] "I tested the RTC fix and it doesn't work for me" [14:13] anyone looked at that yet? [14:13] lool: that's the one you tested with? [14:13] my voltage values were attached already [14:13] plars: No I did not [14:14] good timing! [14:14] "I am measuring 2.69V on the coin-cell. Can you measure on your board what is the coin-cell voltage?" [14:14] I dont quite get how a b 3.0 config is relevant though [14:14] thats the request [14:14] The voltages were wildly different between b2.0 and 2.5 [14:14] indeed [14:15] This is by far the most important issue affecting us now though [14:15] amitk: Did you and bjf discuss a process for covering armel bugs every week? [14:15] Is it? What about bug #431963? [14:15] plus the gpu patch [14:15] Launchpad bug 431963 in linux-fsl-imx51 "io/fs errors when launching gdm on imx51 with sata" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/431963 [14:15] AFAIK, Freescale is actively looking at the RTC issue currently [14:15] Something more in depth than what we can do for kernel bugs in our meeting [14:15] lool, did you see amitk's comment on the regulator bug [14:16] GrueMaster: It is less serious? [14:16] lool: yes. We see no reason to have a separate meeting for those bugs. They are kernel bugs and should be discussed in the kernel meeting IMO [14:16] i think that justifies bumping it up to high [14:16] amitk: Ok; so I can check the last kernel meeting to get an up to date status on all the linux* armel bugs? [14:16] GrueMaster: probably less serious, but should probably be a high [14:17] I would think it is a high as well. [14:17] lool: no, but we can start discussing each of the high/critical bugs in the meetings from now on, starting today's meeting [14:17] * ogra wouldnt bump that one to high unless we have actually tested HW that has the exact form factor for the socket [14:17] amitk: Well yes, that's what I expected: a weekly review of progress on important armel kernel bugs [14:18] amitk: But doing it in the kernel meeting is fine [14:18] I just care that it's covered weekly somewhere where we can attend [14:18] it is in 3hr34min same place [14:18] ogra: already bumped, bug feel free to disagree. We've hit it on 2 different boards with two different (externally powered) drives [14:18] plars, not a single one of them was actually shipped witzh a compatible plug :) [14:18] I dont care about high versus medium for the SATA bug; the RTC bug should get priority, the rest depends of availability of developer time to fix the bugs [14:19] right, and the gpu patch :) [14:19] and probably the regulator bug since it can affect the world [14:19] ogra: as I pointed out yesterday the gpu patch is already applied [14:19] what is still missing? [14:19] amitk, oh, i didnt get that, thanks [14:20] amitk, but not in any current package, is it ? [14:20] amitk: I just discovered a config issue on the dove kernel this morning [14:20] http://people.canonical.com/~lool/IMG_2345.JPG [14:20] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~lool/IMG_2345.JPG [14:20] (i saw no changelog entry mentioning it) [14:20] amitk: I didn't have a chance to report it, but binfmt_misc sseems to be missing in dove [14:20] ogra: it has always been, since i applied the sdk1.6 patches. [14:20] 17:14 < amitk> ogra: bjf: sha id ff4e565bfe81f10ca8aa64e24038683d5837cc51 [14:20] from yesterday ^ [14:21] amitk, hmm, then something is wrong, that should get me a device ... [14:21] but nothing to dicuss in the meeting [14:21] lool, are you trying to run a karmic ext4 fs with a jaunty kernel ? [14:21] lool: bug number with armel tag? [14:22] You'll get one ASAP [14:23] lool, i have seen the exact same when trying to boot a babbage jaunty kernel with ext4 from karmic ... it goes into constant reboot for me though [14:23] ogra: I think we covered action items [14:23] anyway ... [14:23] [topic] Specification Review [14:23] New Topic: Specification Review [14:23] anything to discuss here ? [14:23] * amitk retires [14:23] GrueMaster: UNR ISO > did you look into that? [14:24] * ogra guesses everything is closed and implemented by now [14:24] Not much I can really look into. I don't know beyond the manifest what to look for, unless you want me to look at package sizes. [14:24] amitk: Ok; thanks; FYI we also have an armel bugs section -- we were just covering actions and got distracted -- but thanks for coming for the bugs meeting action [14:24] np [14:24] GrueMaster: Anything really [14:25] anything else about specs ? [14:25] I'll look at it again today and see if there is anything glaring. [14:25] Do we need to freeze the versions of packages for Moblin? Or we just catch up the latest version? [14:25] StevenK: Can you pickup UNR ISO size tweaks? a) re-adding as many langpacks as possible b) looking for things which could save us some room? [14:25] FinalFreeze is next week [14:25] Perhaps non-UNRish things we could drop [14:26] lool: Oh, like X? :-) [14:26] OK. [14:26] paulliu: We want to be conservative at this point; unless it's a bugfix only release and is safe to include (wont regress anything), abstain [14:26] [action] StevenK to look into UNR ISO size tweaks [14:26] ACTION received: StevenK to look into UNR ISO size tweaks [14:26] paulliu: Ping StevenK and me if you see any issue or need to go through a transition [14:26] lool: ok. [14:26] Oh, bleh. We're oversize by 1MB [14:27] [action] lool to file a bug about armel fsck issues [14:27] ACTION received: lool to file a bug about armel fsck issues [14:27] Last time I looked, the best I could come up with is dropping some X drivers that are installed (Trident, Cirrus Logic, etc) that aren't used in any known netbook configuration I could find. [14:27] ogra: Uh [14:27] StevenK, bump the default to 1G ? [14:28] ogra: I wish, it used to be. [14:28] right [14:28] ogra: Needs to be CD distributable. [14:28] 700M. [14:28] what's keeping us from doing it ? [14:28] ogra: It's your fault, I added de to live :-P [14:28] GrueMaster, why ? [14:28] Marketing. [14:28] make it DVD distributable :) [14:29] anyway, more issues for specs ? [14:29] It is easier to distribute. CD's cost $.25 DVD's cost $1.50 [14:29] Wubi needs someone who has a Windows install to test it [14:29] (or something like that). [14:30] ok, nothing spec related i see and you guys moved on to UNR already [14:30] StevenK: I can test it. Is it ready again? [14:30] [topic] UNR Status [14:30] New Topic: UNR Status [14:30] GrueMaster: I hope so. [14:30] (I filed 450363 on the binfmt issue) [14:30] bug 450363 [14:30] Launchpad bug 450363 in linux-mvl-dove "binfmt misc missing from config" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/450363 [14:31] StevenK: Could you please cover UNR status this week? [14:31] StevenK: Are we up-to-date in upstream tarballs, and seed commits? [14:31] * ogra listens [14:31] lool: Yes, and yes [14:31] Just checked [14:31] sounds good [14:31] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+bugs?field.subscriber=ubuntu-unr [14:31] * StevenK double checks seeds [14:32] [link] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+bugs?field.subscriber=ubuntu-unr [14:32] LINK received: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+bugs?field.subscriber=ubuntu-unr [14:32] The maximus crasher was closed as it was old [14:32] I've been triaging that list, and pointing njpatel at things I'm unclear on [14:32] I'd like to get that list down a lot before release [14:32] StevenK: any bugs worth mention here? [14:32] looks fine to me [14:32] StevenK, what list ? [14:32] it's empty [14:32] ogra: the non-karmic one [14:32] oh, ok [14:33] is that all about UNR ? [14:33] there are probably some that need to move over... will take a look later today [14:33] lool: Yeah [14:33] lool: Er, no, sorry. I'm done. [14:33] [action] plars to move UNR bugs from non-karmic to karmic where necessary [14:33] StevenK: We got a new clutter release uploaded; would be good to test the UI in the latest images [14:33] ACTION received: plars to move UNR bugs from non-karmic to karmic where necessary [14:34] * StevenK blames the time, since it's 0034 [14:34] Anything else WRT UNR? [14:34] Nope, I'm good [14:34] doesnt look like [14:34] I'm unsure about GrueMaster's suggestion [14:34] [topic] UMR Status [14:35] New Topic: UMR Status [14:35] (Can we please name UMR "moblin remix" instead; it's too close to UNR otherwise) [14:35] The 3-rd round sync is acked. [14:35] paulliu: Do we have anerley and anjal-anerley in karmic? [14:36] Waiting for anerley binaries. [14:36] Ok [14:36] paulliu: Is the Dbus issue in live systems still problematic? [14:36] Does it happen all the time? === robbiew_ is now known as robbiew [14:36] Sorry. What's the issue? [14:37] I didn't see dbus issues currently on my hardwares. [14:37] bug #449230 [14:37] Launchpad bug 449230 in ubuntu-moblin-remix "installation of UMR iso fails with hang and loop" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/449230 [14:37] plars, GrueMaster, StevenK: You guys saw this? [14:37] I tried to test that in Virtualbox, and couldn't run UMR in it :-( [14:38] StevenK: Did you flip the enable 3d pref? [14:38] it's off by default [14:38] lool: Aye [14:38] just came in yesterday I think, hadn't had a chance to look at it yet but I saw it in my bugmail [14:38] I'll try to reproduce it later today when I do a fresh install for Moblin Compliance testing. [14:38] StevenK: It used to work for me last week; what's the issue? [14:38] There were some ubiquity bugs that went through all the images last week. [14:38] lool: I get a screen with a background image that I can't interact with [14:38] plars, GrueMaster: If you find it fixed, please dup it against 448981 [14:39] (On a live CD boot) [14:39] StevenK: Today's image? [14:39] paulliu: The latest, 1013 [14:39] plars, GrueMaster: Did you guys complete installs last week? [14:40] StevenK: Yeah. I'm trying to downloading it now. I saw mutter is updated. From 2.27.5 to 2.28.0. Some API bumped. [14:40] Are the APT issues solved? [14:40] (deb deb sources.list entry and APT error popup during install) [14:40] lool: for iso tracker? [14:40] StevenK: That might break mutter-moblin so only background image that can't do anything. [14:40] Last image I installed from scratch was 10/8 [14:40] wasnt ubiuquity broken the whole last week ? [14:40] The former should be, but modulo doing an install to actually test [14:40] Worked fine then. [14:40] plars: I mean the installation issue; I dont think that relates to ISO tracker [14:40] paulliu: But the same image works fine on my NC10 [14:40] *issues [14:41] StevenK: hmm.... [14:41] lool: I do installs as often as I can, but sometimes update if I'm actively using that machine for some other testing (i.e. testing kernels on imx51 last week) [14:42] I need to verify the ppa issue. IIRC, it was listed incorrectly with two "deb" tags. [14:42] plars, GrueMaster: So on your next install, plesae check sources.list to see whether it's correct (correct PPA entry with deb-src if needed) [14:42] will do [14:42] will do. [14:42] (And reopen the APT error popup bug if you get it) [14:42] why are there no bugs open for all the above issues ? [14:42] Was an ubiquity issue [14:42] ogra: there are bugs open for all the above issues [14:43] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+bugs?field.subscriber=ubuntu-moblin [14:43] not here [14:43] bug #439485 [14:43] Launchpad bug 439485 in ubiquity "APT error during installer" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/439485 [14:43] ogra: Becasue these are closed [14:43] oh, ok [14:43] or were affecting moblin remix which is not karmic stuff [14:43] i thought they were moblin specific ones [14:43] ogra: I know about these bugs, and have ready access to them for updating. Just don't know the numbers off the top of my head. [14:43] the sources.list issue is bug #420048 [14:43] Launchpad bug 420048 in ubuntu-moblin-remix "No sources.list entry for the Moblin PPA" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/420048 [14:43] paulliu, StevenK: Anything else for moblin remix? [14:44] Critical bugs etc.? [14:44] Only my virtualbox issue :-( [14:44] file a bug :) [14:44] I would like to point out that we are getting close to full compliance. [14:44] Last image had 171 errors, down from 449. [14:44] I'm so excited, which moblin compliant apps will I be able to run there?! [14:44] lool: nothing else. [14:44] :-P [14:45] paulliu: thakns [14:45] ogra: I guess we can move to armel [14:45] [topic] armel status [14:45] New Topic: armel status [14:45] GrueMaster: Are these still useful errors, or the ones like "You don't have enabled" ? [14:45] doko: Around? [14:45] (i subscribed ubuntu-moblin to bug 420048 so it shows up on the list) [14:45] Launchpad bug 420048 in ubuntu-moblin-remix "No sources.list entry for the Moblin PPA" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/420048 [14:46] doko: What's the plan for oo.o now? .jaunty thingie for release? [14:46] StevenK: which are you referring to? Moblin? [14:46] GrueMaster: Yeah [14:46] ogra: it wont [14:46] ogra: the list is specific to karmic [14:46] humm, why ? [14:46] I'll show you after the meeting. [14:46] ogra: we should use a second link for high bugs in moblin-remix or smth [14:46] why isnt the bug karmic specific ? [14:47] well, we should just make them show up properly imho [14:47] ogra: When it's a cdimage or moblin remix bug, it's by definition not a karmic bug [14:47] hrm [14:47] well, anyway, armel ... [14:48] https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-moblin/+subscribedbugs [14:48] my boards survived the upgrades i did yesterday, images seem to build again, we had an ABI bump on imx51 [14:48] my dove y1 hangs regularly under load [14:48] like completely dead [14:48] (need to bump d-i before tonights build) [14:48] NCommander: Is partman-uboot out of new? [14:48] NCommander: what do we need to do about it still? [14:49] TB meeting in 10 mns [14:49] right, NCommander ? [14:49] cjwatson, Keybuk, dholbach: we have the DMB meeting in 10, right? [14:50] right [14:50] sorry, phone rang [14:50] * kees waves [14:50] Uh, partman-uboot is still in NEW to my knowledge [14:50] anyway, for imx51 bug 446140 and bug 427289 are still on my critical list [14:50] Launchpad bug 446140 in linux-fsl-imx51 "regulator issues with 2.6.31 vs 2.6.28 with the same patchset" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/446140 [14:50] Launchpad bug 427289 in linux-fsl-imx51 "hardware clock not saved if board power is removed on babbage 2.5" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/427289 [14:50] NCommander, any open bugs on dove we should know about ? [14:51] ogra, just the one about us needing partman-uboot [14:51] (apart from the one lool just filed) [14:51] ok [14:51] i guess thats it for armel then [14:51] [topic] AOB [14:51] New Topic: AOB [14:51] ogra: Could you attend weekly kernel meetings? [14:51] lool, bad timing, FSL call [14:51] * NCommander will handle minutes for this meeting and fix last weeks as well :-/ [14:52] And make sure 446140 431963 427289 are updated? [14:52] will do [14:52] why is 420447 fix committed and not uploaded? [14:52] oi have one AOB topic [14:52] 383240 > I have packages in my PPA and need testers [14:52] What's up with the Ubuntu MID remix? (It's on last weeks agenda). [14:52] I'm looking for anybody really to test the ffmpeg packages in my PPA [14:52] Tis not a remix [14:52] On amd64 or armel [14:52] everyone in the team needs to commit one hour per week to fix sponsoring bugs [14:53] GrueMaster: I think it's a leftover, just delete it [14:53] [action] new rolling action: everyone with upload privs to look inot sponsoring bugs next week and report which ones he closed [14:53] ACTION received: new rolling action: everyone with upload privs to look inot sponsoring bugs next week and report which ones he closed [14:53] bah, typoed [14:54] [action] anyone who has spare test cycles to test lool's ffmpeg packages [14:54] Can anybody please commit to testing ffmpeg from my PPA? Basically play some files with ffplay or a ffmpeg based player and see whether there are regressions with the PPA pacakges [14:54] ACTION received: anyone who has spare test cycles to test lool's ffmpeg packages [14:54] is that it ? [14:54] What platform? [14:55] armel or amd64 [14:55] as lool said above [14:55] lool: I can take a look [14:55] lool, sorry I can't help, I don't have either platform [14:55] anything else we need to bring up ? [14:55] Thanks [14:56] going once [14:56] I have an AMD64 system for LSB testing. I can look at those this week. [14:56] going twice ... [14:56] sold to the man with the yellow hat ! [14:56] #endmeeting [14:56] Meeting finished at 08:56. [14:56] GrueMaster probably best for you to do AMD64 aswell as I'm not around after today [14:56] Just in case === agateau_ is now known as agateau [15:03] developer membership board meeting? [15:04] Good afternoon. [15:04] mdz,Keybuk,kees,pitti: ping [15:04] no sabdfl? [15:04] I'm here [15:05] on the TB ML we already had some long discussion with dholbach about simplifying/changing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers#Applying%20for%20team%20membership for the new "smaller teams" archive reorganization [15:05] #startmeeting [15:05] Meeting started at 09:05. The chair is cjwatson. [15:05] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [15:05] [TOPIC] Adjusting team membership applications for delegated upload teams [15:05] New Topic: Adjusting team membership applications for delegated upload teams [15:06] cjwatson: hi [15:06] Mark's proposal near the end of the thread was as follows: [15:06]