[00:10] * hipitihop waves good morning to the residents [00:14] hi [00:29] hi all...audigy se sound card, HVR-1600, i'm not getting any audio passed from the tuner [00:29] i get audio from websites, but not tuner through mythtv or VLC...I'm running mythbuntu 9.10 [00:30] is the audio being recorded? [00:31] And assuming it is, have you set your audio & mixer settings on the frontend [00:32] no, recordings do not have sound [00:33] and my channel scan is limited to 2-14, it's not picking up the rest of them [00:33] You tried to play one on a known working system or at least a working media player on that same machine? [00:34] I'm not getting audio from anything that comes through my tuner with anything on this machine [00:36] Source (digital, analog broadcast, Svideo, composite? [00:36] analog broadcast [00:36] streaming hulu works great [00:37] have you played any media in mythtv and had audio? [00:38] not besides hulu [00:38] i'm wondering if my DVD drive is crapping out on me too, it won't load a dvd into VLC [00:39] have you installed de-css? [00:40] no i haven't [00:40] I suspect that you need to check the audio configuration in mythtv... I am guessing that the audio is being captured with the video, but mythtv is not configured to output it to the right output. [00:41] the mythtv settings wouldn't affect the VLC would it? [00:42] You can install libdvdcss with mythbuntu control center. [00:42] i'm installing that now...thanks for the lead ;-) [00:42] and no, mythtv uses it's own internal media player (unless you configure it otherwise) [00:44] still not getting DVD playback through VLC..let me see if rebooting kicks in it gear [00:44] That should solve your dvd playback issue. How are your speakers connected to the computer (analog, coaxial digital, optical)? [00:45] i'm getting MP3 playback [00:45] analog [00:45] getting mp3 playback in what app? [00:45] vlc [00:46] ok... so we know vlc is addressing the soundcard properly. Have you tried to play one of your recording files in VLC? [00:49] excuse my ignorance, but where are my recordings stored? [00:51] nm [00:53] no audio from recording through VLC [00:56] interesting [00:58] your recording via the analog tuner on the card right... the encoder on the card should encode the audio right into the mpg file.... strange [00:59] I would check your settings in mythtv-setup as they relate to the tuner... perhaps you muted it accidentally? [01:00] checking now [01:01] on another note...what could cause my channels to stop at channel 14? [01:01] not exactly sure... are you connected to cable or an antenna? [01:02] cable [01:02] in looking through set up I didn't see anyway I could've muted it [01:02] What cable type are you using... IRC HRC Standard? [01:03] standard [01:04] Try changing it and rescanning ... I know it takes a while but it might solve both of your issues... [01:06] it freezes at channel 14 still [01:06] it freezes? [01:07] it stops scanning totally [01:07] your using us-cable-IRC, or us-cable-HRC, or even us-cable-standard and it freezes on channel 14 when scanning. [01:07] ? [01:09] i've tried channel frequency tables - try all - us-bcast - us-cable - us-cable-hrc - us-cable-irc [01:09] wierd [01:09] your doing a full scan right... not an update [01:09] correct [01:10] that is very strange [01:11] philip: using mythtv-setup? [01:11] yup [01:12] Ok, if you can't figure anything out, you can do the following to capture more logs and submit a bug: [01:12] sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop [01:12] and then [01:12] sudo mythtv-setup.real --verbose channelscan,siparser,channel,record,extra > mythtv-setup.log [01:12] replace "stop" with "restart" to relaunch the backend [01:13] I'm at a loss.. thanks for taking over mrand... he's got two major issues, possibly related.. 1. can't scan past channel 14, 2. no audio is being recorded. [01:14] If I had to guess, though I'd probably be wrong, I'd say firmware for the capture card. [01:14] this HVR-1600 has been nothing but a headache [01:16] so I haven't had a lot of luck today; I have ripped a dvd to .iso and transcoded to .avi, but mythvideo still can't find any videos [01:16] I've also tried increasing the mythtvfrontend verbosity, but didn't see anything that stood out [01:17] there must be some way of identifying what subdirectory mythvideo is looking at for the videos, whether via verbose output or even direct mysql itself, no? [01:17] phillip: I'm not sure how current this is, but did you see: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1600 [01:18] ripperda, yeah... check the mythvideo setup. [01:18] ripperda, and it will play .iso files directly, no need to transcode [01:18] jfry, any help would be appreciated, but I did work on this a little with superm1 and mrand earlier today [01:18] so here's a little background: [01:18] i've almost memorized that page, the firmware files loaded w/ 9.10 install are the same as the ones you download from the link there [01:19] k [01:19] I installed mythbuntu, but changed the paths (for all media) to /home/mythtv/, due to partition layout and having a much larger /home partition [01:20] ripperda, I do the same thing on my setups [01:20] I've manually changed the directories in the backend (via mythtv-setup, storage directories), as well as the frontend, via the mythvideo setup pages [01:20] but for some reason, mythtv refuses to find any videos [01:20] I did double check the permissions and that my own user account can see & access the files [01:21] superm1 suggested disabling storage groups on the backend, so I've deleted the video storage directory on the backend, but have set the path in the frontend [01:21] try opening video manager once... it will scan for video files and add them to the database [01:22] ripperda, the mythtv-setup has nothing to do with mythvideo [01:22] utilities -> video manger (that's the usual place for it) [01:23] jfry, thanks, I'm learning :) [01:23] ok, opened video manager, said no files found. I then used 'm' to pull up the menu and told it to scan [01:23] it claimed nothing found, but now I'm seeing things in the mythvideo section. [01:24] I see 18 files, I think a lot of those are from a dvd I previously grabbed all VOBs from [01:24] let me play with this, but it looks like that worked [01:24] ripperda, also, in the mythvideo setup... general settings, there is a "newly scanned files are browsable by default" option... check it and it will scan and add files every time you open your videos menu. [01:27] excellent, thanks jfry. playing back my video now, time to play around with things [01:27] much thanks [01:28] phillip, did you see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1142113 [01:28] ripperda, glad to hear it [01:29] sorry, gotta go eat. bbl [01:32] jfry...those settings are exactly how i have mine set up [01:32] oh well...i'm gonna step outside...i'll bbs [01:33] take care [01:33] ripperda, if you are still having troubles, ask iamlindoro in #mythtv-users for some more help [01:35] thanks superm1, I think the scanning option in video manager seems to have resolved the problem [01:36] ripperda, that's the same option as if you scan from "watch videos" [01:36] just need to remember to leave the plugin for 5 seconds and come back [01:37] ok, I must not have scanned properly. thanks for the help. I'll play around with things a lot and will probably be back on and off over the next few weeks with more questions [01:38] thanks much for the help and all the hard work of putting this together in the first place [01:38] ripperda, welcome to mythtv... been on it for 5 years (really that long?) and I can't imagine being without. [01:40] of course I'm a set it and forget it... so everytime a new release comes out I have to relearn everything [01:47] superm1...i'm still having issues w/ the HVR-1600 [01:47] blah [01:50] phillip, you talking about your channel scan issue? [01:50] I'm back for a just a sec [01:50] channel scan and lack of audio thru my tuner card [01:51] my firmware files match the ones listed in the mythtv wiki on the HVR-1600 and i've tried every tuner card type option available [01:52] I assume dmesg shows things are ok at bookup? [01:52] yes sir [01:53] Running the latest Mythbuntu 9.10 Beta, with updates. Seeing some weird socket timeouts from the frontend. MythSocket(a0dd228:40): readStringList: Error, timed out after 7000 ms. RemoteFile::openSocket(control socket), Error: Failed to open socket, timeout [01:57] phillip, despite me pushing around a bunch of dvb bugs, I don't know much about them (I capture analog off a cable box), so I'm going to have to defer to collecting the log info above. [01:58] you could try mythtv-users thought [01:58] rather, #mythtv-users though. [01:58] Or the ubuntu forums, or the mythtv-users mailing list. [01:59] thanks mrand...i'm thinking i'll try 9.04...i know the HVR-1600 has worked in them [01:59] Or searching the above two for similar problems. The last few lines (before it hangs) of the mythtv-setup.log file should hopefully contain some hints on what to search for. [01:59] phillip, actually that might be helpful. [01:59] If you can try 0.22 on 9.04, that would let us know if it is a mythtv problem, or a ubuntu related problem. [02:00] is it possible to use multiple hdd's in 9.04? [02:01] hdd = hd-homerun? [02:01] multiple hard drives [02:01] I'm certainly not aware of any reason you can't. Did you have some concern in particular about it? [02:02] scovel: is that a remote front-end? You said updates... I assume that means you're running 223xx or newer? [02:02] i'm still soaked behind the ears when it comes to mythtv and ubuntu, but my buddy said it was hard to get mythbuntu to use multiple harddrives in previous versions [02:03] yes, a remote frontend. [02:03] MythTV Version : 22359 [02:03] MythTV Branch : trunk [02:03] Network Protocol : 50 [02:03] Library API : 0.22.20091008-1 [02:03] QT Version : 4.5.2 [02:04] phillip, the only thing I can even possibly imagine is either ext4 related issue, or storage group stuff (which was expanded for 0.22, and has nothing to do with 9.04 vs. 9.10). In general you should be fine. [02:04] scovel, there were a number of socket bugs fixed, but you're current, so anything you're seeing is either (1) bug, (2) config problem (3) network problem. [02:05] can i run ext4 in 9.04? [02:05] Yes, although it wasn't the default filesystem. [02:06] i'm guessing it's the default in 9.10 [02:06] I'm not aware of any particular issues with ext4, but I haven't looked into it at all either. [02:06] (1) probably (2) backend has been around for sometime. local frontend is fine. (3) possible, I'll run a couple ftps and nfs tests and see what's what. [02:07] phillip - yes, I believe that it is, at least on standard Ubuntu installs. [02:07] scovel, there are probably some verbose flags you can throw at frontend and backend to capture more info regarding sockets. [02:07] I'll bbl. [02:07] thanks again mrand! [02:12] got to figure out where to do that. 9.10 and upstart take some getting used to. Everything has moved just a little bit. [02:22] eek, going backwards here... this mornings update && upgrade ... now forntend displays "This application not compatible with installed MythTV libraries. Recompile after doing a make distclean" ??? [02:23] stupid updates held back some files. do "apt-get dist-upgrade" [02:24] same thing happened to me [02:25] hipitihop, that was for you. MythTV experienced, IRC noob... [02:28] scovel: will have a look, I have had some held back for couple of days but was told here not to do dist-upgrade if it wants to remove anything and yesterday it did want to...checking now [02:31] scovel: dist-upgrade looks better this morning, only want to remove a couple of themes which looks harmless [02:32] hipitihop: some of the themes are obsolete anyway. I think yesterday sometime it upgraded libmyth but held back some of the plugins, causing the errors. [02:32] * hipitihop has dist-upgrade running, fingers crossed [02:37] I wonder if anyone knows how to get rid of small vertical border on my display. Using HDMI output to an LG50" Plasma. it is a HDMI -> HMDI connection but I get 2-3 pixel vertical border on left and right of display. [02:38] hiptihop - there is a built-in utility to adjust the screen size. Its somewhere under setup. Have you tried that [02:50] mrand, network seems fine. Transferring at 2.5MB/s over wireless. [02:50] scovel: the one that places arrows in corner of screen, yes but I don't quite know how to use that via keyboard (remote still not functional) so I only seem to be able to effect the top left corner [02:52] hipitihop: that can be a problem. The screen tells you the names of the functions to switch from UL to BR. You can probably look up they keyboard shortcuts for those. What does it say to use to switch? [02:57] scovel: btw that dist-upgrade seems to have sorted things (although sounds is now broke so I'll investigate) [02:57] scovel: as for the screen stuff... I suspect it is something lover level as the broders are visible while grub is loading [02:58] hipitihop: there's always one more thing to look into. [02:58] scovel: anyweay thanks for the dist-upgrade tip, [02:58] scovel: waht timezone re you in ? [02:59] hiptihop: HDMI is beyond my financial means ATM. Still analog myself. S-Video. Maybe someday. [02:59] hiptihop: Eastern Standard [03:06] mrand: with network,socket,extra I get this: [03:06] 2009-10-12 22:05:12.781 MythContext: Connecting to backend server: 10.10.20.20:6543 (try 1 of 1) [03:06] 2009-10-12 22:05:12.781 MythSocket(a3e01b0:25): new socket [03:06] 2009-10-12 22:05:12.782 MythSocket(a3e01b0:25): attempting connect() to (10.10.20.20:6543) [03:06] 2009-10-12 22:05:12.785 MythSocket(a3e01b0:25): state change Idle -> Connected [03:06] 2009-10-12 22:05:12.785 MythSocket(a3e01b0:25): write -> 25 21 MYTH_PROTO_VERSION 50 [03:06] 2009-10-12 22:05:12.785 MythSocket(a3e01b0:25): writeBlock(0x175520832, 29) [03:06] 2009-10-12 22:05:19.787 MythSocket(a3e01b0:25): readStringList: Error, timed out after 7000 ms. [03:06] 2009-10-12 22:05:19.787 MythSocket(a3e01b0:25): state change Connected -> Idle [03:06] 2009-10-12 22:05:19.788 MSocketDevice::close: Closed socket 25 [03:06] 2009-10-12 22:05:19.788 Protocol version check failure. The response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION was empty. [03:06] 2009-10-12 22:05:19.788 MythSocket(a3e01b0:-1): DownRef: -1 [03:06] 2009-10-12 22:05:19.788 MythSocket(a3e01b0:-1): delete socket [03:11] Hate that error. [03:11] :-) [03:12] Anything on the backend side? [03:12] :'( [03:12] I was just going to ask you where the hell the log file went for the backend. [03:12] scovel: Please watch your language. [03:13] oooo, do you know me? [03:13] go away Zinn, he's frustrated. [03:13] Zinn is a bot. [03:13] ah, I see [03:13] !@#@#$ bot [03:13] !zinn [03:13] !help [03:13] Sorry I don't know about @#@#$ bot [03:13] see !about [03:13] !help For a complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number]. [03:14] I'm looking in /var/log/mythtv/mythtvbackend.log and nothing has changed for over 12 hours. Restarted the backend too [03:16] That would explain why the backend is not responding... it isn't running? ps -ef? [03:16] yeah, it's running. The frontend even got a list of recorded shows once. Big dump in the logfile. [03:17] hrmmm [03:18] where are the upstart scripts? I don't get upstart yet. [03:18] scovel, there was something wrong with yesterday's package [03:18] it didn't update /etc/default/mythtv-backend [03:18] you can manually fix it by overwriting it with the one form the bzr branch [03:19] that will fix logging [03:19] "bzr branch" ??? [03:19] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/mythtv/mythtv-trunk-022/annotate/head%3A/debian/mythtv-backend.default [03:19] hit download file [03:19] and overwrite /etc/default/mythtv-backend with that file [03:20] Or he can wait until tomorrow? [03:20] Yeah [03:20] i'm manually doing a push since daviey messed up the cleanup / push action last night [03:21] that's easy enough. Let me see what we get now [03:22] ok, I see new logging. Let me try to connect [03:24] got this right away, before I even tried to connect: [03:24] 2009-10-12 22:21:19.339 Connecting to master server: 10.10.20.20:6543 [03:24] 2009-10-12 22:21:19.342 Connected successfully [03:24] 2009-10-12 22:21:49.345 MythSocket(84ea1e8:19): readStringList: Error, timed out after 30000 ms. [03:24] 2009-10-12 22:21:49.348 MainServer, Error: Failed to open master server socket, timeout [03:24] 2009-10-12 22:21:49.353 adding: mythbuntu as a slave backend server [03:24] 2009-10-12 22:21:49.358 MainServer, Warning: Unknown socket closing MythSocket(0x84ea1e8) [03:24] 2009-10-12 22:21:49.362 MythSocket(84ea1e8:-1): writeStringList: Error, socket went unconnected. [03:24] We wrote 0 of 10 bytes with 1 errors [03:24] 2009-10-12 22:21:50.351 Connecting to master server: 10.10.20.20:6543 [03:24] 2009-10-12 22:21:50.355 Connected successfully [03:24] 2009-10-12 22:22:20.360 MythSocket(8503fd8:19): readStringList: Error, timed out after 30000 ms. [03:24] 2009-10-12 22:22:20.363 MainServer, Error: Failed to open master server socket, timeout [03:24] 2009-10-12 22:22:20.368 adding: mythbuntu as a slave backend server [03:24] 2009-10-12 22:22:20.372 MainServer, Warning: Unknown socket closing MythSocket(0x84f7808) [03:24] 2009-10-12 22:22:20.375 MythSocket(84f7808:-1): writeStringList: Error, socket went unconnected. [03:24] We wrote 0 of 10 bytes with 1 errors [03:25] !pastebin | scovel [03:25] oh no. IRC protocol. Someone explain? [03:25] Ignore that. [03:25] scovel: when pasting more than 5 lines of data please use http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com so you don't flood the channel. Then please post the link in the channel. [03:26] k :-[ [03:26] scovel: sounds like your system got confused and something thinks it is a slave backend. [03:26] Go into mcc and make sure that the remote front end is configured as a remote front end, and the back end is configured as a _master_ backend. [03:26] that did look weird now that I see that [03:27] where is Zinn? [03:27] fricking slow bot [03:28] backend is running ubuntu server [03:29] no mcc [03:30] ok. You mean mythtv-backend-master package? [03:31] mcc for the frontend says "no backend" and "desktop frontend" [03:31] actually I mean it's running ubuntu server, not Mythbuntu. [03:31] ask opposed to ubuntu desktop [03:31] I understand. Did you use the Ubuntu packages to install the backend? If so, it should be -master [03:32] I did. It has been the master backend for year(s) [03:32] I did upgrade it to 9.10 Beta though [03:33] what does this command spit out? apt-cache policy mythtv-backend-master [03:33] My upgrade got confused and I didn't have a -master [03:34] mythtv-backend-master: [03:34] Installed: (none) [03:35] Candidate: 0.22.0~trunk22359-0ubuntu1 [03:35] this is new territory for me, and I used Gentoo for years... [03:35] same problem as me. [03:35] You can use aptitude or apt-get, but you need to install -master [03:35] Or synaptic. [03:36] apt-get install mythtv-backend-master? [03:36] sudo ^^^^^ [03:36] yes [03:36] sudo su [03:37] sudo make me a sandwich [03:37] I love that comic... [03:37] It's installing. [03:38] sorry, don't know the comic [03:39] mrand, xbcd? [03:39] xkcd [03:39] http://xkcd.com [03:39] Oh, I know xkcd. [03:39] Great stuff [03:39] !sudo [03:39] Sorry I don't know about sudo [03:40] !learn xkcd http://xkcd.com [03:40] Sorry I don't know about learn xkcd http://xkcd.com [03:40] http://xkcd.com/149/ [03:40] @learn sudo - http://xkcd.com/149/ [03:40] I just learned: sudo - http://xkcd.com/149/ [03:41] I missed and/or forgot that one. [03:43] this isn't good [03:43] 2009-10-12 22:42:59.638 MythBackend: Running as a slave backend. [03:43] 2009-10-12 22:42:59.665 MythBackend, Error: No valid capture cards are defined in the database. [03:43] Perhaps you should re-read the installation instructions? [03:44] eventually it gets to this: 2009-10-12 22:43:01.543 Connecting to master server: 10.10.20.20:6543 [03:44] 2009-10-12 22:43:01.547 Connected successfully [03:44] why does it still say slave? You might need to reboot. [03:44] reboots are for adding hardware.... [03:44] or stop and restart mythbackend anyway [03:45] I'll give it a shot. [03:45] I did stop/restart at least 2X [03:45] I'm still getting upgrade problem for nfs-coomon etc can someone have a look pls here is output http://paste.ubuntu.com/292032/ [03:47] hey guys [03:47] I found a weird bug with mythbuntu 9.10 beta [03:48] I literally hear my optical mouse [03:48] Turn your speaker down? :-) [03:48] i smell color too :) [03:48] Or Up. One or the other. [03:49] Is it an older computer? [03:49] nope [03:49] it is a quad core [03:49] :) [03:50] if I unplug the mouse the noise goes away [03:50] any idea how to get rid of it? [03:50] So it wasn't there in 9.04? [03:50] to be honest I am not sure [03:50] I jumped from 8.10 to 9.10 [03:50] did a fresh install [03:51] ah. Same but different - no noise on 8.10 [03:51] I know... it must be the fault of pulse audio. That's the big difference. [03:51] no problem in 8.10 [03:51] :-) [03:52] can I uninstall pulse audio? [03:52] do I need it? [03:52] for audio? [03:52] that's debatable. [03:53] pulse audio is the future of Linux sound. Ubuntu has has some trouble implementing it though. I was mostly joking - it's just that PA is the source of multiple headaches [03:54] so, what's this all about? [03:54] No UPnP backends found [03:54] Would you like to configure the database connection now? [no] [03:54] [console is not interactive, using default 'no'] [03:55] scovel: check out http://www.bramkortleven.be/?p=131 [03:56] mrand [03:57] is there a way to switch back to alsa? [03:58] yes... please hold [03:58] okay thank you [04:00] looking better..... [04:01] mattwj2002: still looking. [04:02] !stab launchpad, for being slow [04:02] * Zinn stabs launchpad with a sharpened mce remote, for being slow. [04:03] mrand, dude, you made my night. No more slavery, no more socket errors! The kids can watch Clone Wars in the morning. [04:03] *phew* [04:03] Glad we got it, scovel. [04:04] I had about 5 mysql.txt files laying about. I hope things clear up before the final version is out, or you are going to be busy! [04:05] now to get lirc going....tomorrow I think. Bed time. [04:05] no kidding. Me too! [04:05] lirc... oh man.... [04:05] wait for the weekend to do your next update [04:05] if this system is to be used by the kids [04:05] thanks for the advice [04:05] big change going in tonight. We're crossing our fingers. [04:05] wife and kids mad for 3 weeks. [04:06] hahah tell them sorry! [04:06] you can read my post on mythbuntu forum about getting VDPAU working, and CPU scaling issues. [04:06] man... you've had it rough. [04:06] stupid CPU scaling.... [04:06] ok, have a good one. later [04:07] have fun! [04:07] mrand did you find anything? [04:08] Believe it or not, I'm still looking for this one thing in particular. It was a thread that I found before on the forums. I hope I'm getting close. [04:10] ok [04:14] I can't believe I can't find it right now. I usually have good google-fo. [04:14] are you running gnome or xfce? [04:17] sorry, there are a number of threads, but most are older and aren't geared for 9.10, which does things somewhat differently (especialy gnome). I'm not really recommending you disable/remove it. But if you do, make sure you follow recent directions (for 9.10). I gotta run. === mattwj20021 is now known as mattwj2002 [04:21] I am running xfce [04:22] (10:17:30 PM) mrand: sorry, there are a number of threads, but most are older and aren't geared for 9.10, which does things somewhat differently (especialy gnome). I'm not really recommending you disable/remove it. But if you do, make sure you follow recent directions (for 9.10). I gotta run. [04:24] okay thanks anyways mrand [04:24] :) [04:25] anyone have gmythmovies_0.3d.pl? [04:25] web site doesn't seem to work anymore [05:04] tmkt, not familiar with that script, what was it for? [05:05] to get movise listings [05:05] from google [05:05] since the current movie listings in mythv don't work for canadians or anyone outside the US [05:05] ah [05:06] had it before...but the site that provided it..doesn't seem to anymore [05:06] what seems to be the issue with the script? [05:06] oh [05:09] yeah..Im not finding it eiter [05:09] mythmovies doesnt support outside the US? [05:10] tmkt, what version of MythTV are you using? [05:11] tmkt, you might want to try this out: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/336179 [05:14] Hi, I have a fairly new mythbuntu box. I also have an extra 1TB SATA drive that I want to install in it. [05:15] It wouldn't be a big deal to just reinstall mythbuntu, since there's almost nothing on the box now, but is there an easy way to just add the new drive to mythbuntu? [05:17] puff, its actually quite easy to setup a new disk [05:18] puff, this is assuming you know the hardware side of installing the disk [05:21] * foxbuntu waits for puff to reply [05:32] foxbuntu: sorry, I was off elsewhere. [05:32] puff, np [05:32] foxbuntu: Well the hardware side should be pretty straightforward, though this is my first SATA disk. [05:32] Power cable, data cable, right? [05:33] I need to find a mounting kit, apparently this drive didn't come with one, but until then I think it should be safe to just set it on top of the existing drive. [05:33] puff, yes, just don't want you to break your system doing something you are not comfortable with [05:34] No sweat... I don't mess with hardware too often, but unless there are some gotchas, I should be fine. [05:34] ok [05:34] An example of a gotcha, albeit one you're not likely to run into these days: do NOT try to install an MFM and IDE drive controller in the same machine. [05:34] They do not play well with each other. [05:34] well if you get the drive in the system and booted back up I would be glad to walk you through creating the partition and mounting it [05:34] Cool. [05:35] One sec while I go down to the TV room. [05:39] Argh, make that one minute, I just realized I left the car blocking the driveway. [05:54] Okay, back, phew. I love where I live, but it does have its drawbacks. [06:02] puff, alright, got your system prep'd? [06:11] Okay, all plugged in. That was, like much in my life, too much trouble. [06:12] Is location on the power cable significant? [06:12] (He says, hoping the answer is "no") [06:13] Booting it back up now. Do I need to unplug the video out to get it ot use this LCD screen (the TV screen is kinda hard to see from the keyboard). [06:14] I really need to reorganize this stuff, which will happen once everything is running smoothly. [06:14] puff, yes, if you booted with the TV the last time it will require you o unplug the tv [06:15] puff, and what do you mean by, "location of the power cable" ? [06:17] Location _on_ the power cable... probably irrelevant, I think I was remembering older systems where each plug on the ribbon cable had a specific identity, e.g. the primary drive, the one the machine booted from, was the first plug, etc. [06:17] Speaking of which, I suspect I'll have to enter cmos and change the boot order... [06:18] puff, not the case with SATA [06:18] puff, SATA drive priority is determined by the slot you plug it into, much like SCSI ID used to be but easier [06:18]