[00:12] <shtylman> Riddell: llunak has a fix for the no text in menus bug (it is something that has to be fixed in next kde but he said that it won't be backported) ... don't know how hard it would be to backport...but beyond that... the massive file picker bug can finally be closed :)
[00:13] <Riddell> awooga
[00:16] <Riddell> shtylman: got any pointers to the fix?
[00:17] <shtylman> Riddell: just shot you an email with some details
[00:19] <shtylman> im guessing those are the svn revision numbers...damn they are up there...
[00:20] <shtylman> bout time they move to git :)
[00:20] <JontheEchidna> Qt has an awful record of saying bugs are fixed when they really aren't. :/ I can count at least three things that should be fixed by now but are not.
[00:20] <shtylman> haha
[00:20] <shtylman> (waves hand) these are not the bugs you seek
[00:20] <shtylman> the bugs you seek are elsewhere
[00:22] <JontheEchidna> bug 448049, bug 446539 and the bug where cashew items are visible even when they shouldn't be are all still there, even though they should be fixed in Qt :/
[00:22] <JontheEchidna> the first two should have been fixed in 4.5.2, the last should have been fixed in 4.5.3. All of them are still around in 4.5.3
[00:23] <shtylman> bummer
[00:23]  * shtylman got http://alwaysinnovating.com/home/index.htm a few days ago... still working on getting ubuntu on it :)
[00:41] <JontheEchidna> kde rev 1034808
[00:41] <JontheEchidna> ^OOo fix
[00:42] <JontheEchidna> I'd rather have a busted OOo than potential regressions in KDE, tho
[00:42]  * yuriy wants the powerdevil dialog back. the notification is utterly useless :(
[00:47] <ryanakca> shtylman: How is it? Work well? Why can't you get (K)ubuntu on it?
[01:08] <shtylman> ryanakca: its got some rough edges...
[01:08] <shtylman> I don't think it is a good final product hardware wise
[01:08] <shtylman> software that it ships with sucks and has a while to go
[01:08] <shtylman> I really wanna try to see how plasma runs on it but it might bog it down too much
[01:12]  * ryanakca nods... it looks cool though :)
[01:12] <shtylman> ryanakca: yea..its fun to play around with
[01:12] <shtylman> I will have it with me at uds
[01:13] <ryanakca> shtylman: I don't think I'll be going to UDS though... :/
[01:13] <shtylman> :(
[01:13] <shtylman> how come?
[01:22] <Riddell> Sime: compiling python-kde3 with sip 4.9 goes boom http://paste.ubuntu.com/292729/
[01:22] <lex79> JontheEchidna: teacooker http://tinyurl.com/yk7fyn5
[01:22] <Riddell> Sime: any thoughts on quick fixes or is it time to geet rid of python-kde3?
[01:22]  * JontheEchidna thinks this is a good excuse to get rid of python-kde3
[01:22] <Riddell> it only has one rdepend
[01:24] <JontheEchidna> lex79: awesome, very thorough
[01:24] <Riddell> avogadro goes boom too http://paste.ubuntu.com/292730/ I wonder if anyone uses that
[01:29] <JontheEchidna> lex79: a .directory file from dolphin snuck in, but other than that, it's perfect
[01:29] <ryanakca> shtylman: None of my parents can get time off work and seeing that I'm a minor, they won't let me out of the country alone... however, I'll be home free for UDS-11.04 (a year from now) :)
[01:29] <ryanakca> s/None/Neither/
[01:30] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: perhaps we could disable python support
[01:30] <JontheEchidna> for avogadro, anyways
[01:30] <lex79> damn dolphin !
[01:30] <shtylman> ryanakca: ahh gotcha... makes sense...bummer though
[01:30]  * JontheEchidna sets dolphin to remember settings for all files
[01:30] <JontheEchidna> er, folders.
[01:31] <lex79> good suggestion
[01:31] <JontheEchidna> I find the default way to be quite annoying and confusing
[01:32] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I don't know if it's optional
[01:32] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: cmakelists.txt says it is, from my understanding
[01:32] <JontheEchidna> option(ENABLE_PYTHON "Enable python support" ON)
[01:32] <JontheEchidna> -DENABLE_PYTHON=OFF maybe
[01:34] <Riddell> let me try
[01:36] <ryanakca> Riddell: at least 1973 people have avogadro installed according to popcon (rank 13674 on http://popcon.ubuntu.com/by_inst ), 1783 use it regularly.
[01:37] <lex79> sometimes I need to press F5 to see new files in dolphin, this happens when extract archive for example.. JontheEchidna happens to you?
[01:37] <ryanakca> Riddell: sorry, only 67 use it regularly, but 1783 upgraded it recently
[01:37] <shtylman> lex79: I confirm...it doesn't always refresh
[01:37] <JontheEchidna> lex79: yeah, apparently it's a regression with the 2.6.31 linux kernel and inotify
[01:38] <JontheEchidna> us == fscked (ha ha, filesystem humor) in that regard
[01:38] <lex79> it's very annoying :(
[01:39] <Riddell> ryanakca: so if the 1783 don't use it why did they upgrade it?
[01:39] <ryanakca> Riddell: I'm guessing people went "apt-get dist-upgrade" and it was in the list of things to upgrade, so they upgraded it? And the other 190 might just not upgrade their systems?
[01:40]  * ryanakca shrugs
[02:16] <Riddell> well python-kde4 works but only if I convert it to using python-support
[02:16] <Riddell> this is a good thing to do, just not two days before final freeze
[02:16] <Riddell> also plasma python stuff will need converting too
[02:33]  * JontheEchidna decides to get his two -workspace patches in sooner rather than later, in that case
[02:33] <JontheEchidna> not that there's much room for later :P
[02:34] <ScottK> So do we have the Ayatana "we'll let you know eventually" update feature somehow or is kpackagekit just unreliable that way too?
[02:35] <nixternal> why am I getting dummy popups, 4 of them, everytime I get a message or something from kopete?
[02:36] <nixternal> This is the first notification "A Dummy Button"
[02:36] <nixternal> This is the second notification "A Dummy Button"
[02:36] <nixternal> shit, I am getting that with every notification
[02:37] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: mostly broken I think. It does check for updates as it should, it's just not notifying
[02:37] <JontheEchidna> this used to work though... :(
[02:37] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: OK.  That I can take better than we shot ourselves in the foot on purpose (well we did with kpackagekit, but I mean again)
[02:37] <ScottK> Well I have one now.
[02:38] <ScottK> It just doesn't seem to come reliably
[02:38] <JontheEchidna> hmm, I didn't get one this morning, and I know I had updates. and kpackagekitsmarticon said it was checking for updates
[02:38] <JontheEchidna> just no popup\
[02:44] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: what -workspace patches?
[02:45] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I have one for making the default System Settings window fit on smaller screens and one that fixes KDM using plastique all the time. The latter requires some kdelibs changes and both are from 4.3 branch
[02:45] <JontheEchidna> http://websvn.kde.org/?view=revision&revision=1033882
[02:45] <JontheEchidna> http://websvn.kde.org/?view=revision&revision=1032941
[02:45] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: ok I just committed a change to -workspace so I'll hold off on upload until you do your thing
[02:45] <Riddell> I'll probably be asleep so feel free to get ScottK or whoever to upload
[02:46] <JontheEchidna> kk, I'll need kde4libs sponsored before -workspace can build anyways. So this could probably wait until tomorrow even if need be
[02:46]  * ScottK is totally overwhelmed anyway.
[06:32] <DarkwingDuck> question. I'm trying to track one change we can't find. how do I install one package at a time?
[06:42] <ScottK> Note: Answered on #kubuntu-netbook
[06:43] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: Thanks
[07:41] <Crazycheese> Hey guys, do you know if 9.04 actually comes with DSL(pppoe) support OOTB? Yesterday I needed a Livecd that is capable of providing dsl networking in live environiment and I was unable to establish even LAN connection. DSL is greyed out as well. Im speaking of Kubuntu 9.04
[07:44] <Crazycheese> Zzzzzzzz
[08:54] <Lure> Riddell, nixternal: I think we should pick up recent improvement to gdm upstart config and add it to kdm:
[08:54] <Lure> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/gdm/2.28.0-0ubuntu17
[09:30] <PedroLeKoi> Hi everybody.
[09:31] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: I set up a chroot environment.
[09:53] <PedroLeKoi> May I help somebody with something???
[10:06] <PedroLeKoi> May I help somebody with something???
[10:07] <_StefanS_> PedroLeKoi: ask Riddell
[10:07] <PedroLeKoi> _StefanS_ I did that already...
[10:07] <PedroLeKoi> _StefanS_ He didn't reply so.
[10:07] <PedroLeKoi> _StefanS_ I try again.
[10:08] <_StefanS_> PedroLeKoi: did you check the todo lit?
[10:08] <_StefanS_> list?
[10:08] <_StefanS_> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo
[10:08] <_StefanS_> else write the mailinglist.
[10:08] <_StefanS_> gotta run.
[10:08] <PedroLeKoi> _StefanS_ I didn't even know, that there is a ToDo list.
[10:08] <PedroLeKoi> _StefanS_ Thank you very much.
[10:11] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: Is there any easy timeconsuming task you can assign to me?
[10:47] <kjeldahl> Not sure if it's only me, but it's impossible to create bootable USB keys now. unetbootin hangs when installing the bootloader (probably mcopy), and usb-creator-kde crashes with "no module named kdecore".
[10:51] <Riddell> kjeldahl: that'll be the python-qt changes
[10:52] <kjeldahl> Riddell: Ok thanks. Good to know. Any idea why mcopy is hanging when writing the bootloader (called by unetbootin)?
[10:52] <Riddell> I don't even know what that is
[10:53] <Riddell> Lure: go for it
[10:53] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: got that chroot?
[10:53] <kjeldahl> It's another "make a bootable usb key" utility. Guess I'll wait for the python-qt fixes then.
[10:53] <Lure> Riddell: will look into this tonight - at work now
[10:53] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: Yes.
[10:58] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: could you install kubuntu-desktop in it?
[11:01] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: That's a good question; I am not familiar with the procedure you are talking about. What I did do is: I downloaded certain files from archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/hardy.
[11:01] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: What am I supposed to do next?
[11:02] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: are you inside the chroot?
[11:02] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: I can log into chroot using a terminal window typing: chroot /home/hardy
[11:03] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: ok, from outside the chroot we need some mount commands first..
[11:03] <Riddell> mount -t none -o bind /tmp /home/hardy/tmp
[11:03] <Riddell> mount -t none -o bind /proc /home/hardy/proc
[11:03] <Riddell> mount -t none -o bind /dev /home/hardy/dev
[11:03] <Riddell> xhost +
[11:03] <Riddell> those mount commands will need sudo of course
[11:03] <Riddell> then    sudo chroot /home/hardy
[11:03] <Riddell> inside the chroot..
[11:04] <Riddell> apt-get update
[11:04] <Riddell> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:22] <Riddell> kjeldahl: what version of python-kde4 do you have installed?
[11:23] <kjeldahl> Riddell: 4:4.3.2-0ubuntu2
[11:23] <kjeldahl> I think.
[11:24] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: Sorry for the delay. I just startet the installation procedure. I guess this is going to take a while - maybe an hour. I call you after the installation is done, right?
[11:24] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: yes, thanks
[11:25] <Riddell> kjeldahl: and usb-creator-kde doesn't run?
[11:26] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: was there a change you were making to kde4libs ?
[11:43] <kjeldahl> Riddell: Correct- error is http://pastebin.com/m6aa26734
[11:44] <kjeldahl> But usb-creator-gtk works fine...
[11:45] <Riddell> kjeldahl: oh I know, it'll need kdebase-workspace before that gets fixed
[11:46] <kjeldahl> Riddell: I'm glad you know. :-)
[11:48] <Riddell> and that's waiting on JontheEchidna's kde4libs update
[12:01] <gribelu> is the beta koffice from PPA working for anyone? I just upgraded to it and I'm getting this error "kword: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkowidgets.so.6: undefined symbol: _ZNK16QAbstractSpinBox16inputMethodQueryEN2Qt16InputMethodQueryE"
[12:02] <gribelu> the apps won't start :/
[12:02] <Riddell> gribelu: which PPA?
[12:03] <gribelu> this one https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental
[12:03] <gribelu> I'm on karmic amd64 btw
[12:09] <Riddell> gribelu: I've not looked at it yet but neversfelde said it was broken so I wouldn't expect it to work
[12:09] <gribelu> right
[12:09] <gribelu> well, let me know if you can't reproduce and I'll help out..
[12:10] <gribelu> reproduce the bug that is
[12:10] <jussi01> gribelu: works for me, though it  has a few packaging errors. but that didnt happen for me...
[12:10] <jussi01> gribelu: tell me what happened when you installed?
[12:11] <gribelu> jussi01: are you on 64bit as well?
[12:11] <jussi01> gribelu: not here, but I installed at home on 64 bit
[12:11] <gribelu> beats me then
[12:11] <gribelu> I can't start any koffice app
[12:11] <jussi01> gribelu: have you still got your install log/terminal open=?
[12:12] <gribelu> jussi01: i have my logs.. but I also had to force install of the packages
[12:12] <gribelu> the .so file in question is part of koffice-libs-kde4
[12:12] <jussi01> gribelu: and after the force install, did you then run sudo apt-get install -f ?
[12:12] <gribelu> i reinstalled that.. didn't help
[12:13] <gribelu> I just did that, but it did nothing
[12:13] <jussi01> hrrr
[12:13] <gribelu> installation went fine..
[12:13] <jussi01> curious.
[12:14] <gribelu> jussi01: how do I get a list of koffice packages?
[12:14] <gribelu> maybe if I reinstall them all
[12:14] <jussi01> apt-cache search koffice
[12:14] <gribelu> although "undefined symbol" sounds like a compilation problem
[12:17] <hunger> gribelu: or like some library being older on the system than on the one used to build the code.
[12:17] <hunger> Maybe some depenedency is outdated in the control file?
[12:18] <gribelu> who knows
[12:18] <gribelu> I'm trying to purge and reinstall
[12:20] <Riddell> you may not have all of the qt 4.6 packages installed
[12:20] <Riddell> (and installing them may cause other problems, they're not well tested)
[12:20] <gribelu> Riddell: I reverted to 4.5.x because I had some plasma issues
[12:20] <gribelu> should I install 4.6?
[12:20] <gribelu> ah
[12:20] <gribelu> hmm
[12:21] <gribelu> that could be it..
[12:21] <Riddell> that koffice build will need 4.6, but right it'll cause other issues
[12:22] <gribelu> so I'm stuck :)
[12:22] <gribelu> at least we know koffice isn't broken
[12:43] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: It's done. Any further instructions?
[12:44] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: ok now we need to do the upgrade
[12:44] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: first enable -proosed ..
[12:44] <Riddell> echo "deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-proposed main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:44] <Riddell> apt-get update
[12:44] <Riddell> apt-get install adept
[12:50] <Riddell> run adept --dist-upgrade-lts  and click the upgrade (two up pointing arrow icon)
[12:54] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: I don't know: is this a valid 'enable' command >> enable -proosed <<?
[12:55] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: I downloaded and installed adept but the command  'adept --dist-upgrade-lts'  doesn't work
[13:20] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: paste bin this..
[13:20] <Riddell> apt-cache policy adept
[13:21] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: I found out that I can start the GUI of adept with 'adept_manager'. And that is exactly what I did.
[13:21] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: how about..
[13:21] <Riddell> adept_manager --dist-upgrade-lts
[13:22] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: I had to 'Fetch Updates' than...
[13:22] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: After that he activated the Button 'Version Upgrade'.
[13:22] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: That is what you want me to do, isn't it? The Version Update?
[13:23] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: I started the procedure and am now supposed to confirm that I really like to update.
[13:24] <Riddell> right
[13:24] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: does it say "9.10" at the top of the update window?
[13:24] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: System is downloading files to upgrade system from 8.04.2 to 9.04.
[13:24] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: Is it maybe an inbetween step.
[13:25] <Riddell> no, that's not what we want
[13:25] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: close the upgrade window
[13:26] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: I did.
[13:26] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: kde4libs pushed to bzr, testbuilding a last time in my ppa
[13:27] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: pastebin
[13:27] <Riddell> apt-cache policy adept
[13:28] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: pastebin? What is that supposed to mean?
[13:28] <ScottK> Riddell: We're making some progress on the netbook application launcher problem by means of doing a partial 4.3.1->4.3.2 upgrade until the problem appears.  It's narrowed down to one of kde-window-manager kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 kdebase-runtime-data kdebase-runtime-data-common kdebase-workspace-libs4+5 kdelibs-bin kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libkdecorations4 libkwineffects1 libplasma3 libxml2 when we ran out of energy last night.
[13:29] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: paste the output into the website  paste.ubuntu.com
[13:30] <Riddell> ScottK: that's three source packages so it should be possible to look at what changes have happened to them recently
[13:30] <Riddell> ScottK: sorry I havn't been able to help thus far, too many other things on my todo
[13:30] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes.  They were all installed at one go, so we ought to be able to narrow it down further.
[13:30] <ScottK> Understand.
[13:31] <ScottK> This is a big enough bug that I'm not worried about it for tomorrow's freeze.
[13:31] <ScottK> I'm currently waiting for the guineau pig <<< tester to reappear on IRC.
[13:31] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/293100
[13:33] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: and you ran adept with  adept_manager --dist-upgrade-lts  ?
[13:37] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: No, I didn't. Reason for this: adept_manager tells me it doesn't know option '--dist-upgrade-lts'
[13:38] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: please pastebin the output of   adept_manager --help
[13:38] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/293107
[13:40] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: hum, well you have the right version of adept but it's not offering the right option, so we have a problem
[13:40] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: thanks for testing, we'll need to fix that
[13:41] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: O.k. I think I am off for today. I have to change the tires of my girlfriends car - you know...
[13:41] <PedroLeKoi> Bye everybody.
[13:42] <PedroLeKoi> See you soon.
[14:02] <JontheEchidna> https://edge.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+archive/ppa/+build/1291779 blargh
[14:02] <JontheEchidna> 1 hour wait
[14:08] <JontheEchidna> mm, pykde is busted
[14:09] <JontheEchidna> ImportError: No module named kdecore
[14:14] <ScottK> agateau: Did you ever get a chance to look at the focus stealing prevention issue with Quassel and MI?  They are going to release 0.5 this afternoon, so if you have a patch, we might still get it in.
[14:15] <agateau> ScottK: no, but I can look
[14:15] <agateau> I thought it was working now, didn't they change anything wrt to this?
[14:18] <ScottK> agateau: MI is working now. The issue is bug 422062.
[14:18] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yes it's waiting on kdebase-workspace which is waiting on you
[14:19] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: kdebase-workspace is waiting on kde4libs, which has a one hour wait in my ppa
[14:20] <Riddell> time to crank the handle faster on the ppa machine!
[14:20] <ScottK> Would someone please ping me in a few seconds.
[14:20] <JontheEchidna> I'm uploading it to ninjas to hopefully make things go faster
[14:20] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: sure
[14:20] <ScottK> Hmm.
[14:20] <ScottK> It may be fixed.  Let's try something else.
[14:21] <ScottK> Please ping me again ....
[14:22] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: ok
[14:22] <ScottK> One more time please.
[14:23] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: ping
[14:23] <ScottK> agateau: Bug still needs fixing.
[14:24] <agateau> ScottK: I can easily put together a KDE dependent fix
[14:24] <agateau> a pure Qt one would be more difficult I think
[14:24] <ScottK> agateau: I think it's only an issue in KDE since it's KDE's focus stealing prevention that's the problem.
[14:25] <ScottK> agateau: If upstream doesn't want a KDE specific fix, we can always add it ourselves.
[14:25] <ScottK> Sput: ^^^
[14:25] <agateau> ScottK: ok, let me test what I just wrote and I'll send a patch
[14:25] <ScottK> Maybe one more fix for 0.5 ....
[14:25] <ScottK> Thanks.
[14:26] <ScottK> agateau: Quassel's normal click on the icon to focus the last highlight functionality is affected by this too, so it'll be a good fix for upstream even without MI.
[14:27] <agateau> ScottK: yes
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+build/1291807 <- much better than an hour
[14:33] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: ninjas stealth wins!
[14:33]  * Riddell uploads kdebase-runtime
[14:37] <agateau> ScottK: Sput: http://pastebin.com/f272418f8
[14:39] <ScottK> agateau: Looks simple enough.
[14:39] <agateau> ScottK: KDE API makes everything simpler :)
[14:49] <JontheEchidna> gah, the ninjas build isn't starting
[14:50]  * ScottK is just pbuildering locally
[14:50] <JontheEchidna> pbuilding on my machine would take 4 hours for kde4libs
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: could you sponsor lex's qtcurve packages from ninjas?
[14:58] <Riddell> ok
[15:01] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: oh, wasn't there some config files moving around? did we figure that out?
[15:02] <Riddell> there was, I'm not sure we did
[15:02] <JontheEchidna> mm
[15:02] <Riddell> I see qt 4.6 beta is out
[15:28] <ScottK> Would someone please give me a ping.
[15:28] <Tm_T> ScottK: ponk
[15:28] <ScottK> Nice.  Again please.
[15:29] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: pingish
[15:29] <ScottK> Thanks.
[15:29] <ScottK> One more time please.
[15:29] <PedroLeKoi> ScottK: You're getting faster...
[15:29] <ScottK> Thanks.
[15:30] <ScottK> Sput: agateau's patch works.
[15:33] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: I am back again. Do you have something to do for me?
[15:35] <Riddell> Qt has compiled on ARM and nothing else!
[15:35] <Riddell> how is that even possible
[15:35] <JontheEchidna> ha
[15:36] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I'm testbuilding kde4libs locally, and while it hasn't finished it's gotten past the parts that I've patched without failing
[15:36] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: I need the microblog applet tested and if you have a printer system-config-printer-kde would be good to test too
[15:37] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: python is busted in karmic w/ latest updates, I can tell you that right now
[15:37] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: groovy, we could maybe risk just uploading it
[15:37] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: No printer system for the next 7 days.
[15:38] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: Microblog Applett - o.k. Do I need a twitter account for working with this applett?
[15:38] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: system-config-printer-kde fails with: ImportError: No module named kdecore
[15:38] <JontheEchidna> jockey-kde does too
[15:38] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: yes
[15:39] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: probably rm -r /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/PyQt will help that
[15:40] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: Than that is the next thing I am going to do. Create an account on twitter... Can you tell me what I have to do with that thing while I am going to create a twitter account.
[15:40] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: no  rm -r /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/PyKDE4
[15:40] <JontheEchidna> was about to say ;-)
[15:40] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: just get it successfully posting to twitter
[15:41] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: All right.
[15:41] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: works, we may want to automate that
[15:41] <freinhard> anyone with a dualscreen setup round? (no xinerama)
[15:43] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: it'll go when the kdebase-workspace build happens
[15:45] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: what about the case of people using pykde apps without kdebase-workspace?
[15:46] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: only plasmoid use kdebase-workspace, most apps don't, but pykde won't load while that directory exists
[15:47] <Riddell> pykde now uses python-support
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> if we make the next kdebase-workspace update do the removal of the old directory, then if somebody doesn't have kdebase-workspace installed will still have broken pykde apps
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> unless I'm missing something
[15:50] <freinhard> is that arrow that i get when i switch desktops a backport?
[15:51] <freinhard> couldn't find it in the kde 4.3.2 changelog
[15:52] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: if they don't have kdebase-workspace then the directory won't be there, it only exists because of kdebase-workspace
[15:53] <Daskreech> failsafe works with x-terminal-emulator pointed towards xterm
[15:53] <Riddell> freinhard: it's a setting Tonio_ turned on somewhere, it has mixed popularity
[15:53] <Daskreech> perhaps we should let failsafe just point at xterm ?
[15:53] <Daskreech> Or it doesn't make a difference wih a clean install?
[15:53] <Daskreech> I get the KDE splash screen on failsafe
[15:54] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: ah, ok. that'd be what I missed :)
[15:54] <Riddell> Daskreech: hmm, we don't have xterm on a clean install
[15:54] <Daskreech> Riddell: Well does a failsafe login work then?
[15:55] <Tonio_> freinhard: this setting has always been there.... I just activated it since I saw people complaning gnome had this with compiz, and they couldn't find it
[15:55] <Tonio_> freinhard: some people like, some people don't....
[15:56] <freinhard> Tonio_: how do i get rid of it, i guess that's breaking my multi-screen setup
[15:56] <Riddell> Daskreech: presumably not, based on you as the only tester
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: debian/changelog can close bug 451105
[15:56] <ScottK> Riddell: We don't?  apt-cache says it is, if I ready it correctly?
[15:56] <Tonio_> freinhard: hu ? if that's the case, we should consider removing
[15:56] <Riddell> ScottK: maybe we do, it keeps changing
[15:56] <Tonio_> lemme find the setting
[15:57] <freinhard> Tonio_: first need to know where to turn it off and then test it.
[15:57] <Tonio_> sure
[15:57] <ScottK> Might be worth a mention in the release notes.
[15:58] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I'll upload kde4libs and kdebase-workspace now
[15:58] <ScottK> "Here's this cool new feature, screenshots, oh, btw, if you don't like it, here's how you turn it off"
[15:59] <Tonio_> freinhard: window property -> focus -> popup desktop name on desktop switch
[15:59] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: k, cool
[15:59] <Tonio_> freinhard: so stupid I agree :) it should be in the pager settings
[16:00] <Tonio_> freinhard: lemme know if that's the bug, then I see no reason to keep this activated
[16:00] <ScottK> Riddell: Are you sure we want systemsettings in catagory settings and not system?
[16:00] <Tonio_> ScottK: I'm leaving to china saturday and have tremendous amount of work till then....
[16:01] <ScottK> Work or vacation?
[16:01] <Tonio_> ScottK: I'm affraid I have no time to review KNE default settings till then
[16:01] <Tonio_> ScottK: work
[16:01] <ScottK> OK.  Then it is what it is.
[16:01] <Tonio_> till I'm back I mean
[16:01] <ScottK> It'll be too late by then.
[16:01] <Tonio_> ScottK: I know :)
[16:02] <Tonio_> ScottK: I should have more time by lucid dev cycle, but canada + china, that close, doesn't help
[16:03] <Riddell> ScottK: last I heard we didn't want it in the apps menu at all, it's already in two places in kickoff
[16:03] <Riddell> two other places
[16:03] <ScottK> Riddell: I see it in favorites and settings is all?
[16:04] <JontheEchidna> also the computer tab^
[16:04] <Riddell> right
[16:04] <ScottK> Right.
[16:04] <ScottK> No computer tab in classic kickoff, so I didn't see that one.
[16:05] <JontheEchidna> oh yeah, that's why they put it in the menu in the first place
[16:05] <ScottK> So since it needs to be in the menu, i don't see why it got moved to settings from system.
[16:05] <ScottK> I thought we were trying to get rid of settings
[16:06] <freinhard> Tonio_: yes, that's it
[16:06] <Tonio_> freinhard: ouch....
[16:07] <Tonio_> wht does this cause ?
[16:07] <freinhard> Tonio_: sry, was the "show window list" option
[16:07] <freinhard> popup was off
[16:07] <freinhard> broken configuration dialog?
[16:08] <JontheEchidna> the config dialog is broken too, the setting can be enabled while the checkbox is unchecked
[16:08] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: It seems to me that the app is working fine. I post something using the app, update my twitter page: Message is visible. The only thing I am missing is the possibility to delete certain messages the app copied back from the twitter page?
[16:08] <Tonio_> so the show window list causes the bug ?
[16:08] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: toggling the "show window list" just made it save the unchecked state of the desktop switch popup
[16:08] <freinhard> maybe popup was activated but not shown in the list, and hitting apply cleared it
[16:08] <freinhard> i'll check that
[16:09] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I don't get what does this setting do
[16:09] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: basically the KCM doesn't read the existing settings or something, so the desktop switch animation appears unchecked int he dialog
[16:09] <freinhard> i'm confused. does work now.
[16:09]  * freinhard reboots
[16:09] <JontheEchidna> so changing any other setting makes it save the unchecked state and disables the popup feature
[16:10] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: great.  now I need it tested with no settings.    killall plasma-desktop; rm ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appl*; plasma-desktop  and add it
[16:10] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: by default ?
[16:10] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I never had a problem with that
[16:10] <JontheEchidna> ?
[16:13] <Daskreech> Are we shipping with PulseAudio?
[16:13] <ScottK> Daskreech: Not by default (only the lib due to build-depends, but it doesn't do anything without the app)
[16:13] <debfx> could someone please review my changes to fix the context menu of the codecs install tray icon: https://code.launchpad.net/~debfx/update-notifier-kde/codecs-context-menu/+merge/13341
[16:14] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: No need to add. It's already there after command 'plasma-desktop' was executed.
[16:15] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: does it show the kubuntu feed and does it let you configure your own feed?
[16:15] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: But I need to set it up, don't I? I have to change the 'address of the service', because it's not set to twitter by default.
[16:17] <Riddell> debfx: ooh looks good, thanks
[16:17] <Riddell> debfx: I'd like to turn that into a persistent notification same as the packagekit update one but it's too late for karmic
[16:17] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: yes you will need to do that
[16:18] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: It shows the Kubuntu feed (to give one example: http://2tu.us/vki by chogoK). After set up twitter as service it immediatly displayed the messegas I posted before...
[16:19] <Tonio_> hum I get "No handlers could be found for logger "bzr"" on one of my computers...
[16:19] <Tonio_> anyone know what does this mean ? I couldn't get any good information googling
[16:20] <yuriy> anybody using dropbox in KDE? someone is getting me to try it and looks like there's only a nautilus extension
[16:24] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: great, so that's all working
[16:24] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: we could do with failsafe mode being tested
[16:25] <Riddell> Tonio_: context would help
[16:25] <Riddell> yuriy: never heard of it
[16:26] <ScottK> yuriy: I think jjesse uses it.
[16:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: any bzr command outputs this, only on this computer
[16:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: even if I clean my .bzr
[16:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: and commands do work :)
[16:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: weird, I agree :)
[16:28] <ScottK> Tonio_: I'd ask in #bzr then
[16:28] <Tonio_> kk
[16:29] <Tonio_> ScottK: not a bad idea indeed :)
[16:32] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: Please give me further instructions which will enable me to test the failsafe mode.
[16:35] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: I think you need to log out and select it from the session menu at the login screen
[16:35] <Riddell> Daskreech: ^^
[16:36] <Daskreech> Hmm wonder what pulled in pulse for me
[16:37]  * Riddell uploads  qt4-x11_4.5.3really4.5.2-0ubuntu1
[16:38] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: This will not work - sorry. Every time I logged out I am sitting in front of a black screen??? I hope that's a known bug. If not... Than it might be an unknown one.
[16:38] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: yes it is a known bug
[16:41] <PedroLeKoi> Riddel: Isn't it possible to get into failsafe mode after a reboot. That will work.
[16:41] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: yes a reboot would work
[16:42] <freinhard> Tonio_: switching desktop on dual screen works since i reset and set options in systemsettings. so this must be related to a somehow broken config file
[16:43] <Daskreech> PedroLeKoi: You haven't rebooted after install of Koala yet?
[16:45] <Tonio_> freinhard: yeah, but as discussed with JontheEchidna, we just disabled it anyway...
[16:45] <Tonio_> freinhard: it ain't that popular in any case
[16:47] <PedroLeKoi> Daskreech: Never...
[16:47] <PedroLeKoi> Daskreech: Of course I did. Why?
[16:48] <Daskreech> PedroLeKoi: You can login to failsafe from KDM ?
[16:53] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: First thing I figured: The touchpad of my laptop doesn't work when log in screen is visible. After I plugged in a usb mouse I could move the cursor. I changed to failsafe mode - the cursor is still blinking in the password field. But even if I press keys on the keyboard there's no input.
[16:54] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: Keyboard is cut off...
[16:58] <nixternal> anyone else get an email about your ubuntu.com addy and security changes?
[16:58] <JontheEchidna> I haven't received anything
[16:59] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: that's sounding very broken
[16:59] <Riddell> so do we want to set TerminateServer=true in kdmrc to workaround the intel logout issue?
[17:00] <ScottK> Riddell: I thought the fix for that got uploaded
[17:00] <ScottK> I think in yesterday's intel update
[17:00] <Riddell> ScottK: oh?  I've not heard of a fix
[17:01] <ScottK> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/2:2.9.0-1ubuntu2
[17:01]  * ScottK didn't test yet
[17:02] <Riddell> sweet
[17:06] <Daskreech> PedroLeKoi: Which laptop is this?
[17:06] <Daskreech> Riddell: I can confirm that hotkeys don't work for me. I need to use a mouse to access the menus
[17:09] <micmord> ALT+E seams to work on kdm logout
[17:12] <micmord> wow... now kdm logout works again
[17:13] <micmord> someone could confirm that?
[17:15] <JontheEchidna> somebody on the launchpad bug has confirmed that logout works now
[17:15] <micmord> it works on all my intel systems
[17:20] <astromme> nixternal: Just a fyi about the RTM applet. I got an exception to make string changes from i18n team
[17:20] <astromme> which means 4.3.3 will include a fixed rtm applet
[17:20] <astromme> and the patch that is currently applied will not be needed
[17:20] <astromme> svn commit 1035265.
[17:23] <Riddell> yay, logout works
[17:23] <sylv1> hi all
[17:23] <micmord> xserver-xorg-video-intel chancelog i read: fix LP bug 432521
[17:23] <sylv1> I would like to report an karmic issue about translations
[17:24] <micmord> is bug 371500 the same?
[17:24] <sylv1> after a karmic fresh install it seems that everything that is akonadi related is untranslated
[17:24] <sylv1> are you aware of this kind of issue ?
[17:24] <Riddell> micmord: they're different bugs but with similar symptoms
[17:24] <Riddell> sylv1: nope, got an example?
[17:25] <sylv1> akonadi related translations were fine on jaunty + kde 4.3.2 from ppa + uptodate language packs
[17:25] <sylv1> akonadi entries in kickoff are untranslated (i'm using french locale)
[17:26] <sylv1> Riddell: for example in jaunty I had "Miniature Akonadi" instead of "Akonady tray" or something
[17:26] <sylv1> and the akonadi configuration module in systemsettings in completely untranslated too
[17:26] <micmord> Riddell: ops.. i didn't subscribe the right bug  :-(
[17:27] <JontheEchidna> micmord: both should be fixed by now, though
[17:27] <Riddell> sylv1: I confirm, it's broken
[17:28] <Riddell> sylv1: seems like desktop_kdepim-runtime is missing
[17:28] <JontheEchidna> ^probably nobody bothered to add the magic to the new package for that to happen
[17:29] <sylv1> Riddell: okay
[17:29] <sylv1> apart from that translations are very good (in french at least)
[17:30] <Riddell> sylv1: is kpackagekit translated?
[17:30] <PedroLeKoi> Daskreech: Sorry for the delay. It is a 'lenovo G530'.
[17:30] <sylv1> the only thing I noticed too is that Arora displays "Web Browser" in kickoff instead of "Navigateur Web" but it may only be a missing translation
[17:30] <JontheEchidna> ouch, I only have 1 string translated for kpackagekit in spanish
[17:30] <Riddell> sylv1: yes Arora has poor translations, that was one of the marks aginst using it
[17:31] <sylv1> Riddell: hum, I haven't checked cause I do not use KPK but I'll try when I get back from work
[17:32] <JontheEchidna> oh, right. the fix still needs to land in the langpacks for KPK
[17:32] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell, Daskreech: After a reboot it was possible to select failsafe mode and the keyboard worked. But now - after typing in username and password - I see nothing but the wallpaper...
[17:32] <Sput> ScottK: I'll look into the patch later when I'm back home
[17:32] <Sput> though I still wonder why it works with KNotification but not with MI (our X11 specific hack is what the kwin maintainer recommended and it seems to work here)
[17:32] <sylv1> Riddell: in french translations are good but it might not be the case in other languages indeed
[17:32] <JontheEchidna> sylv1: how are keyboard shortcut translations in the menus of applications?
[17:32]  * Sput is off for the train
[17:32] <ScottK> Sput: It didn't work here with focus stealing prevention enabled.
[17:32] <sylv1> but I'm starting to like Arora
[17:33] <ScottK> With no focus stealing prevention it works fine for both.
[17:33] <sylv1> JontheEchidna: don't know ... I will check it later if you want
[17:33] <JontheEchidna> sylv1: I'd appreciate it. In spanish at least "shift" manages to be untranslated.
[17:34] <sylv1> okay I'll try that and kpk tonight
[17:35] <Lure> Riddell: interesting: bug 447823 is milestoned, but not on Steve's list of milestoned bugs
[17:35] <PedroLeKoi> I am leaving. Take care and see you soon. Pedro
[17:35]  * Lure confused, but will rather fix it now... ;-)
[17:36] <JontheEchidna> agh, we should have taken care of that one with our upload an hour ago
[17:36]  * JontheEchidna forgot about it entirely though
[17:36] <Lure> JontheEchidna: no problem, will prepare now and ask for another uploads
[17:37]  * Lure is not concerned until uploads are still available under current price ;-)
[17:38] <JontheEchidna> I had a build score of over 9000 and it still took an hour until it built
[17:40] <JontheEchidna> "VEGETA! What does the scouter say about his build score?"
[17:40] <JontheEchidna> IT'S OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND! *crushes scouter*
[17:40] <JontheEchidna> What? Nine thousand? That can't possibly be correct!
[17:42] <Riddell> uh oh, JontheEchidna is going mad and we still have over two weeks to release, this could end in disaster
[17:42] <Riddell> debfx: merge done thanks
[17:42] <JontheEchidna> :3
[17:42] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan'd probably appreciate that
[17:42] <Riddell> debfx: bit frustrating this situation with pidgin and seb's high quality demands :(
[17:44] <JontheEchidna> it seems to me it's not a workaround for KDE's sake, but a workaround for really crappy old GTK dark magic's sake
[17:44] <Sput> ScottK: not even the normal notifications?
[17:44] <ScottK> Sput: Correct.  You get the notification, but then when you click on the action the window doesn't come to the front.
[17:44] <Riddell> debfx: maybe we can convince rickspencer3 to talk him round
[17:44] <Sput> ScottK: interesting, works here :)
[17:45] <Sput> and since the kwin guy told me setting the apptime was the right way to do it, I didn't care anymore :)
[17:45] <ScottK> Sput: Quassel helpfully switches to the right channel, just the window raising fails.
[17:45] <Sput> I'll apply the patch, of course, but still interesting that it doesn't seem on your system what it's supposed to do and does on mine :)
[17:45] <ScottK> Sput: I'll carry it as a distro specific patch if you don't want it, but it seems harmless.
[17:46] <ScottK> Sput: Do you have focus stealing prevention enabled?
[17:46]  * Sput makes mental note to talk to the guy again
[17:46] <Sput> yeah, but I think I have it on low
[17:46] <Sput> I'll apply the patch, no problem
[17:46] <ScottK> I had it on low too.
[17:46] <ScottK> Thanks.
[17:46] <Sput> just curious :)
[17:46] <ScottK> Yeah.  Me too.
[17:47] <Sput> clicking the View button consistently works here. mh.
[17:47] <Sput> and I think it did since I last touched the code, so I can't write it off to me using KDE trunk :)
[17:48] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: should I be worried that kde4libs just failed to build in a ppa
[17:48] <JontheEchidna> maybe
[17:48] <JontheEchidna> I definitely didn't get that failure locally
[17:50] <ScottK> someone please give me a ping in a moment (Sput, I'm double checking)
[17:50] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: ping
[17:51] <ScottK> Thanks
[17:51] <Riddell> ping ScottK
[17:51] <ScottK> Sput: Confirmed
[17:51] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: :( failed in the archive
[17:51] <ScottK> Neither clicking on the icon nor the notification action works with focus stealing prevention on (even low)
[17:51] <Lure> Riddell: I am adding patch to kde4libs and am testing build in ppa now
[17:51] <Lure> Riddell: so you may want to wait for this update
[17:52] <Lure> JontheEchidna: link to buildlog?
[17:52] <JontheEchidna> Lure: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/33664053/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-armel.kde4libs_4%3A4.3.2-0ubuntu5_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[17:52] <maco> can anyone else confirm that if in KOrganizer's ToDo list you have some tasks categorized into a subcategory like School:Networks (in this case), and you choose either the category or subcategory from the dropdown in top right, it shows *nothing* instead of showing the tasks in the chosen category?
[17:52] <Lure> ok, found that I need to add "Nominate for release" for Karmic to get it on Steve's list
[17:53] <JontheEchidna> My patch should have added the field it's looking for :(
[17:53]  * JontheEchidna checks if all patches are being applied
[17:58] <Lure> Riddell: did it fail for you on non-armel?
[17:58]  * Lure would not be suprised if gcc on armel is just more strict
[17:59] <debfx> Riddell: yeah it is
[17:59] <JontheEchidna> Lure: fails the same in a ppa on all archs
[17:59] <debfx> is there any progress in making brightness up/down global shortcuts work (except adding the keys to Qt)?
[18:01] <Riddell> debfx: no I don't think anybody has looked at that
[18:01] <Riddell> debfx: well Tonio_ wanted to have a standalone app control it, but I'd like it to be part of the normal powerdevil bits
[18:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: I want to get it to work :) whatever is the easiest :)
[18:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: and that's on my plans, of course
[18:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: time is the enemy
[18:04] <Lure> JontheEchidna: and it builds in your pbuilder? strange...
[18:06] <ScottK> NCommander is the expert on those kinds of fixes
[18:06]  * NCommander runs for the nearest emergency exit
[18:07] <JontheEchidna> ah! the patch is incomplete
[18:08] <JontheEchidna> no clue how the hell it got so far locally
[18:11] <JontheEchidna> fix pushed to bzr anyways
[18:13] <Riddell> we'll wait for lure's patch before uploading anyway
[18:13]  * Riddell out for a couple of hours
[18:14] <debfx> Riddell, Tonio_: i'll try to get it working
[18:14] <Lure> Riddell: ok, I will retest in ppa first
[18:32] <hunger> Will kubuntu use this ubuntu-one couchdb thing, too?
[18:34] <ScottK> Not in the default install.
[18:35] <ScottK> I think they are looking for someone in the community to write a KDE client for it.
[18:35] <hunger> Good!
[18:36]  * ScottK doesn't think anyone is going to volunteer to write a client for a proprietary web service
[18:38]  * hunger really sees no value in the whole thing. We have akonadi... syncing that might be a nice idea, but preferrably not to ubuntu-one.
[18:46] <ScottK> Well the ubuntu one 'client' for us might be some akonadi glue to couchd
[18:46] <ScottK> d/b
[18:47] <hunger> ScottK: Does not really sound convincing to me... Having a DB to DB converter so I can have my data in a proprietary service I definitely do not want it in:-)
[18:48] <hunger> ScottK: People are already working on sync support for akonadi. I'd really prefer using that to sync to a place of my choosing.
[18:48] <ScottK> hunger: I'm not trying to convince you.
[18:49]  * ScottK added up the union of data that he has that he doesn't want public, but is comfortable with Canonical having and came up with an empty set.
[18:57] <hunger> Sometimes I am happy that kubuntu does not get the full canonical love:-)
[19:18] <ScottK> I don't mind if they want to do stuff to make money off of what we do.
[19:31]  * yuriy thinks lots of people are volunteering to write clients for proprietary services
[19:32] <ScottK> More power to them if they do
[19:43] <hunger> ScottK: I do not mind anybody making money with free software. I just do not want to use proprietary services:-)
[19:44] <ScottK> Right.  Understandable.
[19:53] <Sput> ScottK: not even on the tray icon? that is doubly weird, as we are using KSystemTray's own method for that :)
[19:53] <ScottK> No idea.
[19:54] <Sput> or, even better, we don't handle it at all, the tray icon itself handles the raising on KDE
[19:54] <ScottK> I just know it works and having the focus stealing prevention back on is very nice.
[19:54] <Sput> well, if it works with agateau's patch, all the better, but it's a mystery to me :)
[19:54] <Sput> I should be able to tag in ~2 hours
[19:54] <ScottK> OK.
[19:55] <ScottK> That gives me not very long to upload things, but I guess it is what it is.
[19:55] <Sput> maybe half an hour earlier :)
[19:56] <ScottK> OK.  I'll take what I can get.
[19:56] <lex79> Printer configuration in system settings doesn't work anymore
[19:57] <ScottK> Someone was complaining about Python breakage earlier today
[20:06] <lex79> found the problem
[20:07] <lex79> /usr/share/python-qt4/widget-plugins/kde4.py -> ../../../lib/python2.6/dist-packages/PyQt4/uic/widget-plugins/kde4.py
[20:07] <lex79> ../../../lib/python2.6/dist-packages/PyQt4/uic/widget-plugins/kde4.py: No such file or directory
[20:07] <lex79> symlink broken
[20:07] <sylv1> JontheEchidna: keyboard shortcuts translations seem to be OK
[20:08] <sylv1> do you have any application in particular you want me to check ?
[20:08] <JontheEchidna> nope, just KDE apps in general
[20:08] <JontheEchidna> maybe it's just a problem with the spanish translations
[20:09] <sylv1> Shift is well translated here, in systemsettings, dolphin, konsole, even Arora
[20:09] <sylv1> let's see kpk
[20:12] <dschulz> hi all
[20:12] <sylv1> well kpk seems to rock, translation wise of course:)
[20:12] <JontheEchidna> lol
[20:13] <dschulz> is there any known bugs affecting keyboard layouts in kde 4.3.2 ?
[20:13] <sylv1> but it does not show any packages ...
[20:13] <dschulz> i'm having a hard time trying to make US International layout permanent
[20:14] <dschulz> right now and since a few months ago i've got to run setxkbmap -...   every time i start a kde session
[20:15] <sylv1> ha it works now
[20:15] <dschulz> i configured it in System Settings as US International already, but in the next session, all i get is a plain US layout
[20:15] <sylv1> JontheEchidna: package description are untranslated though
[20:15] <dschulz> without dead keys and all
[20:15] <sylv1> packages I mean
[20:16] <JontheEchidna> mm, I think that's out of the scope of kpackagekit
[20:16] <ScottK> It is
[20:16] <sylv1> ok fine then
[20:18] <sylv1> well, got to go
[20:18] <sylv1> congrats to the kubuntu team (and translation team) for a great karmic release :)
[20:19] <dschulz> here's a copy of my current .kde/share/config/kxkbrc file :  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/293383/
[20:20] <dschulz> the most strange thing is that, if i copy the command line 'setxkbmap -...'  and run it in konsole, the us_intl layout is applied and effective until the next session
[20:29] <dschulz> well, nobody cares
[20:29] <dschulz> tried already in #kde
[20:31] <dschulz> got tired of trying to explain issues in my poor english, all i get is echo
[20:36] <Lure> Riddell: kdm.upstart fixes pushed to kdebase-workspace bzr - have tested boot with no side effect
[20:37] <Lure> Riddell: this fixes bug 437281 and possibly bug 447226
[20:38] <Lure> Riddell: kde4libs also pushed to bzr, but still waiting for ppa build to test digikam/kopete crash failure
[20:40] <Daskreech> hi hunger
[20:42] <ScottK> dschulz: Please file a bug.  It's not that we don't care, it's just that everyone is very busy today.
[20:42] <dschulz> ScottK: ok, thanks
[20:43] <hunger> Hi Daskreech.
[20:44] <Daskreech> how are you hunger ?
[20:45] <Daskreech> hunger: Propietary? Not so much worried about propietary as them holding on to all of your data
[20:46] <Daskreech> Even if Wave is open sourced and you can roll your won having all your data on Google's servers where they can decide if they want to accept your patch on the live servers to allow you full export of your data in a format you like doesn't make it being open source any better
[20:46] <hunger> Daskreech: I do not mind as long as it is encrypted. And I still hope that ubuntu one is. Not that I ever would entrust it with data that I had not encrypted before handing it over to the service.
[20:47] <hunger> Daskreech: ... and if it is not proprietary then I can run my own server, too.
[20:47] <Daskreech> Though you lose the cloud benefit
[20:48] <Daskreech> what's Canonical's history with being cloudy?
[20:48] <hunger> Daskreech: Oh, the cloud. To me that is mostly a buzzword:-)
[20:48] <Daskreech> I guess if you look at the PPAs you can get an idea of how well they do a cloud infrastructure
[20:49] <Daskreech> hunger: Yes but it's still a valid one :)
[20:49] <Daskreech> It's not just a server
[20:49] <hunger> Daskreech: Well, they can not even come up with a decent web interface to this launchpad thing.
[20:49] <ScottK> IMO they work very hard to worsen it with every release.
[20:49] <Daskreech> That's web app design
[20:50]  * hunger agrees with ScottK.
[20:50] <Daskreech> That's differnt
[20:50] <hunger> Daskreech: THat is what I always get... "if it sux then it can not be cloud.".
[20:50] <Daskreech> Jokers
[20:51] <ScottK> Daskreech: I'm not kidding.  IMO the LP U/I peaked at the orignal beta.
[20:52] <Daskreech> Ah well :-)
[20:52] <Daskreech> Is kubuntu getting an App store as well?
[20:53] <hunger> ScottK: You can not even file bugs in LP anymore using the web UI. At least not without given the URL manually.
[20:56]  * hunger gave up reporting bugs in ubuntu after he ran into this.
[21:06] <Daskreech> Is Koala supposed to handle apt:// URLs ?
[21:06] <Daskreech> Why do I see apt:// urls as a bad idea
[21:19] <Lure> I need to do -sa upload for ppa (even though if orig.tar.gz is already in ubuntu archive)?
[21:19]  * Lure not really happy to see that ppa build failed due to missing orig.tar.gz after waiting in queue for hours
[21:41] <debfx> Tonio_: is there a bug that tracks that the monitor brightness keys don't work?
[21:45] <hunger> debfx: They do not on the samsung nc10 fwiw.
[21:48] <debfx> hunger: they aren't even grabbed, at least in kubuntu default installation
[21:57] <hunger> debfx: on the nc10 they are grabbed and available as XF86MonBrightnessDown/Up. Still does not work. But then I need to update the BIOS, the newest version is supposed to improve the issue.
[22:00] <hunger> Actually almost all keys are triggering some keyevent on the NC10.
[22:22] <Tonio_> debfx: it's not a bug, buta lack of feature
[22:23] <Tonio_> debfx: technically powerdevil doesn't listen to xf86 signals through dbus
[22:25] <debfx> Tonio_: do you think the key handling should be in the battery applet or in powerdevil?
[22:26] <Tonio_> powerdevil definately
[22:26] <Tonio_> the applet should only do the presentation job to the user
[22:26] <Lure> Riddell: I am confused: did you already update patch 74: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdelibs/ubuntu/revision/112.1.1
[22:26] <Tonio_> debfx: I'm planing to do something, but when I have time, maybe in a month or so
[22:27] <Lure> Riddell: problem is that digikam still crashes here, so I suspect this was not released and logged
[22:27] <Lure> Riddell: will fix the logs then
[22:32] <debfx> Tonio_: can't we just register a global shortcut?
[22:37] <Tonio_> nope :/
[22:37] <Tonio_> those wouldn't work, the only way is to listen and act according to xf86 keys
[22:37] <Tonio_> especially to notify even if the action is handled hardware
[22:39] <debfx> why wouldn't they work?
[22:40] <debfx> can we detect if it's handled by the hardware?
[22:44] <Lure> Riddell: kdelibs is now clarified - you already fixed crash patch inplace (but did not note it in changelog), but it was not released yet due to ftbfs of last upload.
[22:44] <Lure> Riddell: simple upload with ftbfs will fix it
[22:44] <Lure> Riddell: I just added note in the changelog that this build will also fix the crash bug (even though the fix was already in previous upload)
[22:45] <Lure> Riddell: package is building in my ppa, but it is too late for me to wait and confirm that crash is fixed.
[22:45] <Lure> Riddell: will do in the morning
[22:46] <debfx> Tonio_: registering kaction global shortcut seems to work after fixing kdelibs
[22:50] <Tonio_> debfx: that would make it to work indeed, but what about notifications ?
[22:51] <Tonio_> debfx: I think it should be handled a lower level... just my opinion
[22:51] <Tonio_> although I'm not against this as a workarround
[22:51] <Tonio_> debfx: could you look at kosd on kde-apps ?
[22:51] <Tonio_> this is what I would like to do
[22:52] <Tonio_> but using xf86 keys instead of global shortcuts (which does this app)
[22:52] <Tonio_> debfx: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KOSD?content=81457
[22:52] <Tonio_> my intention is first to fork this
[22:52] <Tonio_> then eventually rework the same codebase inside powerdevil
[22:54] <Tonio_> debfx: imho the osd stuff is at least as important as the action in fact
[22:54] <Tonio_> debfx: but that's just me :)
[22:56] <debfx> Tonio_: sounds good, but i'm trying to make the brightness keys to work on karmic
[22:57] <debfx> I think a lot of laptop users will be unhappy if those don't work
[22:59] <Tonio_> debfx: agree
[22:59] <Tonio_> I agree
[22:59] <Tonio_> in my case I can't test since my laptop does everything hardware
[22:59] <Tonio_> and I have no time right now, unfortunatelly
[23:00] <Tonio_> the best thing to do then is to isolate settings in your .kde
[23:00] <Tonio_> and send any person here the list of settings required for that to work
[23:01] <Tonio_> in order to include them in kubuntu-default-settings package
[23:22] <debfx> Tonio_: I don't think we need any default-settings changes
[23:23] <debfx> I posted a merge request https://code.launchpad.net/~debfx/kdelibs/kaction-qt-keys/+merge/13388 to fix bug #293213
[23:24] <debfx> that allows us to use the brightness keys in global shortcuts
[23:25] <Tonio_> debfx: right, could be done that way too
[23:40]  * JontheEchidna has figured out bug 446739
[23:40] <JontheEchidna> kde-l10n-* install their own entry for the language, which the language KCM picks up
[23:41] <debfx> Tonio_: and the powerdevil part: https://code.launchpad.net/~debfx/kdebase-workspace/powerdevil-brightness-shortcuts/+merge/13390
[23:41] <JontheEchidna> so you have /usr/share/locale-langpack/es/entry.desktop and /usr/share/locale/es/entry.desktop
[23:45] <JontheEchidna> now we will have to employ yet another workaround to each and every kde-l10n package for rosetta's sake \o/
[23:48] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Can we put it pkg-kde-tools and only do it once?
[23:48] <JontheEchidna> we'll have to take the .desktop entries out of the .install manifests of the packages
[23:49] <JontheEchidna> I don't know if it's possible to automate that
[23:50] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^^?