[00:00] <acuster> Jordan_U, is there a way to get there from the command-line if I can't get that far in X?
[00:00] <ubox> like the package manager lol
[00:00] <ikt> how does one set a bug report to 'public' from private
[00:00] <ikt> ?
[00:00] <drbobb> but gnome in jaunty does't work right for me due to h/w isues
[00:00] <ikt> in launchpad
[00:00] <DopeGhoti> I am _no_ fan of PackageKit.
[00:01] <ubox> i suppose all options will have their issues, and then more so for some than others. at least we all like the same conceptual operating system
[00:01] <ubox> me neither
[00:01] <ubox> it doesn't even list packages unless you search
[00:01] <Jordan_U> acuster: You can run "DISPLAY=:0.0 metacity --replace" from a tty while X is running, or "sudo apt-get remove compiz"
[00:01] <DopeGhoti> 'couse, I do most of my package managment in a terminal
[00:01] <ubox> i might install the gnome one, what is it's true name?
[00:01] <DopeGhoti> ubox: the package?  'ubuntu-desktop' I think
[00:01] <ubox> me too lately, but it is nice for browsing stuff
[00:02] <acuster> Jordan_U, thanks, I'll try with that
[00:02] <DopeGhoti> ubox: for browsing, I use apt-cache :)
[00:02] <ubox> that is the gnome package manager?
[00:02] <DopeGhoti> ubox: oh, that: synaptic I believe
[00:02] <ubox> oh :) lol i didn't know there was an option for it with apt
[00:02] <ubox> like the add/remove programs thing in the applications menu?
[00:02] <drbobb> well the old kde package manager was a lot more functional
[00:03] <drbobb> aptitude, iirc
[00:03] <drbobb> nope
[00:03] <DopeGhoti> ubox: I don't know if the Software Store¹ is in KDE or not
[00:03] <DopeGhoti> ¹: Or whatever it's called this weel
[00:03] <ubox> this one might be ok, if it could authenticate properly
[00:03] <drbobb> wait aptitude is the terminal package manager
[00:03] <drbobb> ah forgot the name already
[00:03] <ubox> synaptic was not too bad
[00:03] <ubox> old and cludgy though
[00:03] <drbobb> ok ,adept was the name
[00:04] <ubox> ok, i will try and get it
[00:04] <drbobb> but adept was deprecated and i don't think it's available in new releases anymore
[00:04] <ubox> it is in the karmic/universe
[00:05] <drbobb> it will bitrot, cause nobody maintains it, afaik
[00:06] <ubox> hmm, it doesn't look to have been adept. that worked though. still not the one though
[00:07] <drbobb> adept worked very well for browsing through what's available
[00:07] <ubox> i just updated yesterday and already 34 more
[00:07] <ubox> developement is fast
[00:09] <ubox> gnome-app-install
[00:09] <ubox> :)
[00:10] <Lars_G> So I'm here
[00:10] <Lars_G> is there word from the coronel?
[00:10] <DopeGhoti> Lars_G: no, you're there.  *I* am here.
[00:11] <olivier83> need help!!  i boot up ubuntu today and now i got no sound what going on??
[00:11] <Lars_G> Oh dogs, I got in the wrong place again
[00:11] <Lars_G> DopeGhoti: will you switch with me?
[00:11] <timber> why every file or folder in my computer has a green icon?
[00:11] <DopeGhoti> Lars_G: I can't. Wherever I go, I always seem to be here.
[00:11] <Lars_G> olivier83: jic checked your mixed volume?
[00:12] <olivier83> Lars_G yes and no muted
[00:12] <DopeGhoti> timber: green icons seemed to indicated' updating the icon, hold on a sec' earlier after a just-finished upgrade
[00:12] <timber> DopeGhoti: is an emblem
[00:12] <DopeGhoti> timber: Hmm. Screenshot?
[00:13] <Lars_G> yeah screenshotr
[00:13] <timber> dooglus: ubuntu-sychronized
[00:13] <timber> DopeGhoti: ubuntu-synchronized
[00:13] <timber> wait a minute
[00:14]  * Lars_G floats by
[00:15] <wildweathel> LP says that the green-icon issue was just fixed.
[00:15] <DopeGhoti> timber: were yousaying that your icons *are* emblems, or that they *have* them?
[00:16] <Lars_G> wildweathel: Loss Prevention?
[00:16] <timber> DopeGhoti: how can i send the screenshot?
[00:16] <timber> DopeGhoti: they have
[00:17] <Jordan_U> !paste | timber
[00:18] <wildweathel> LP=launchpad
[00:18] <wildweathel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-client/+bug/450112
[00:19] <timber> http://imagebin.org/67680 and http://imagebin.org/67681
[00:19] <legend2440> timber: green checkmarks?  they are a known bug. the devs in #ubuntuone said they have a fix that will be released soon
[00:19] <timber> legend2440: i got it...thanks
[00:21] <acuster> any pointers for fixing a mixed up grub2 setup from the liveCD?
[00:21]  * acuster forgets the error message, soemthing about an invalid environment
[00:22]  * IndyGunFreak hates grub2
[00:22] <olivier83> need help!!  i boot up ubuntu today and now i got no sound what going on??
[00:22]  * legend2440 hates Grub2 too
[00:23]  * DopeGhoti knocks on wood, as he is having no trouble with grub-pc
[00:23] <acuster> no man pages! grrr
[00:24] <acuster> oooh, i am wrong! cool.
[00:26] <wildweathel> oliver, did it work before?
[00:27] <froodie> is there any sign that nvidia problems will be fixed in the next while?
[00:27]  * acuster contemplates the fourth install
[00:27] <zaccour> is it a good time to upgrade to beta?
[00:27] <froodie> not for me ;_;
[00:27] <DopeGhoti> zaccour: that depends on how dear stability is to your heart.
[00:28] <wildweathel> If you have an Alienware m5550, yes.  Can't speak for other hardware.
[00:28] <zaccour> i don't like the brown theme in 9.10 when i upgrade later i'm changin the theme colors and wallpaper back to 9.04 style
[00:28] <zaccour> i mean the shade is too dark imo and in 9.04 its beautiful
[00:28] <DopeGhoti> zaccour: Huh. I just upgraded, and my theme was grey, not brown.  I dig it.
[00:29] <zaccour> DopeGhoti, i thought its a dark brown
[00:29] <zaccour> they changed to gray?
[00:29] <zaccour> when did it change to gray?
[00:30] <cwillu_at_work> can somebody confirm a bug for me?  Openoffice, calc document, make one cell a number, and another cell a formula using the first cell.  Copy the second cell, and try to paste the value (not the formula) via ctrl-shift-v (deselect 'all' and 'formula', and make sure 'numbers' is selected)
[00:31] <cwillu_at_work> Should result in the value being pasted, I just get an empty cell
[00:31] <zaccour> when did it change to gray from brown? are you serious?
[00:31] <wildweathel> cwillu, I'm trying it now.
[00:31] <cwillu_at_work> wildweathel, thanks :)
[00:32] <cwillu_at_work> zaccour, I suggest filing a bug: "Grey is not a shade of Brown.  Neither is Gray" :)
[00:34] <acuster> I suspect the grey thing is a beta branding
[00:34] <wildweathel> cwillu, make sure that "numbers" is checked.  I did that and it worked.
[00:34] <acuster> and that the real release will have colour restored
[00:34] <cwillu_at_work> wildweathel, doesn't work here :/
[00:34] <acuster> but yes, 9.04 is particularly tasteful
[00:34] <cwillu_at_work> (yes, I've got numbers checked)
[00:35] <cwillu_at_work> wildweathel, ugh
[00:35] <cwillu_at_work> wildweathel, try it with a forumula pointing to a formula pointing to a value
[00:35] <KnifeySpooney> Uhh. I just ran a daily update and now my two windows partitions and my cd drive are given the iPod icon instead of the hard drive icon
[00:35] <cwillu_at_work> (i.e., one more formula)
[00:37] <wildweathel> My version is 1:3.1.1-4ubuntu1.  I think there was an update recently.
[00:38] <cwillu_at_work> wildweathel, it works here on the first formula, but not in a formula pointing to a formula
[00:38] <wildweathel> Okay, I'll try that.
[00:39] <cwillu_at_work> hmm, no, that works too
[00:39] <wildweathel> No, it still works.  What's your test case?
[00:39] <cwillu_at_work> wildweathel, give me a sec, I'll send you the file
[00:40] <wildweathel> Can't send over IRC, I'm on empathy..
[00:40] <cwillu_at_work> it's a sum of a few rows + a tax calculation, and I can't paste the results, although I can paste every test case I've told you so far :p
[00:40] <wildweathel> You're using the latest version?
[00:40] <cwillu_at_work> yes
[00:41] <cwillu_at_work> but, the problem is actually related to a filter that I had on the data, let me check if that's actually a known bug first
[00:41] <wildweathel> Maybe there's something in the more complex test case, then.
[00:41] <wildweathel> Oh, like filtering.
[00:41] <cwillu_at_work> well, you should be able to copy and paste out of a filter, that's the whole point
[00:41] <wildweathel> Right.
[00:42] <wildweathel> If the data's not confidential, you should file a report including it.
[00:42] <cwillu_at_work> I can strip out the confidential info easily enough
[00:43] <cwillu_at_work> ugh, I just did that thing where I reflexively 'ctrl-a, ctrl-c, alt-tab, ctrl-v', and now I'm waiting for oo to copy a few billion empty cells :(
[00:43] <cwillu_at_work> there, done :p
[00:43] <wildweathel> lol.
[00:45] <cwillu_at_work> wildweathel, okay, so it works in a different file, but the same data
[00:45] <thumper> attn kde people: latest update causes ubuntu-bug script to fail with http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/292710/
[00:45] <cwillu_at_work> <3
[00:46] <zaccour> so the selected window color for beta should not be dark brown?
[00:46] <alteregoa> zfs for linux
[00:47] <cwillu_at_work> alteregoa, you mean btrfs?
[00:47] <cwillu_at_work> :p
[00:48] <wildweathel> thumper, I think you should try "ubuntu-bug ubuntu-bug" ;)
[00:49] <thumper> wildweathel: funny, but I've tried that :)
[00:49] <KnifeySpooney> Uhh. I just ran a daily update and now my two windows partitions and my cd drive are given the iPod icon instead of the hard drive icon
[00:50] <KnifeySpooney> anyone know how to return the normal icons?
[00:50] <wildweathel> I think it's a bug.
[00:50]  * wildweathel checks launchpad
[00:50] <KnifeySpooney> wildweathel: did you mean me? Is this happening to you too?
[00:50] <james^^> hi, why was ttf-bitstream-vera removed from ubuntu 9.10 desktop?
[00:51] <jbuncher> What's with the new icons today?  Why do my internal drives look like mp3players?
[00:54] <cwillu_at_work> jbuncher, rather unfortunate bug introduced in the last hal update, it converts internal devices into ipod's.  I took 2 iTouches and a nano out of my server just yesterday where I had two 500gb satas and a _really_ expensive solid state drive the day before :(
[00:54]  * cwillu_at_work shakes his fist at the apple gods
[00:55] <HoopyCat> cwillu_at_work:  can i backport this to jaunty?  i have a bunch of hard drives, but no portable music experience managers
[00:55] <jbuncher> cwillu_at_work, har har, but seriously.  I also seem to have a green check-mark next to every icon in nautilus.
[00:55] <wildweathel> Green check bug is known and was recently fixed
[00:55] <james^^> Any ideas about the missing bitstream fonts in Ubuntu 9.10?
[00:55] <jbuncher> wildweathel, lol recently fixed?  it just showed up today?
[00:56] <Lars_G> jbuncher: they're fast
[00:56] <wildweathel> That's what launchpad says.
[00:56] <wildweathel> I haven't actually installed the update, since it hasn't percolated through the mirrors yet.
[00:56] <wildweathel> Actually,
[00:56]  * wildweathel checks.
[00:56] <jbuncher> Lars_G, I guess so.  Hopefully the drive icons get fixed as well.  Internal drives should not look like ipods.  I'll just have to wait until the green check fix hits the repos
[00:57] <KnifeySpooney> @wildweathel: lol, i just uninstalled ubuntuone because that green check annoyed me so much. I won't even use ubuntu one anyway
[00:58] <KnifeySpooney> Is anyone else having issues with Compiz's "normal" resizing setting?
[00:58] <KnifeySpooney> it shows white rectangles where the window border should be whenever I resize
[00:58] <KnifeySpooney> I can use any of the other resize types fine
[01:00] <wildweathel> Resize is working okay for me.
[01:00] <jonathank89> hello all
[01:01] <jonathank89> I've been testing karmic for a while now and it's been working great! but after a batch updates i've been getting this really annoying system beep. eg. if i'm in gedit and there's nothing in the document and press backspace it beeps
[01:03] <wildweathel> Oops.  I was mucking about with pulse earlier today and managed to turn it off.
[01:03] <dotblank> Can anyone test the guest session in 9.10 cause in my VM it fails miserably
[01:03] <wildweathel> So, these instructions are blind: but,
[01:03] <wildweathel> jon, try right-clicking the speaker icon -> sound preferences.
[01:04] <Lars_G> Odd there's a bug I'm sure, almost know, others have, and I can't find anything on LP, I knwo must be there but must be searching wrongly
[01:04] <Lars_G> basically the machine will suspend every time I connect or disconnect AC
[01:05] <dotblank> How does the grub pop-up in 9.10 cause it seems to randomly show up for me
[01:05] <KnifeySpooney> Does anybody know why my two Windows partitions and my CD-ROM drive are being given an MP3 player icon?
[01:06] <wildweathel> Lars, you might be the discoverer of that bug.  Congrats!
[01:06] <Lars_G> wildweathel: o.O
[01:06] <wildweathel> Knifey, I'm trying to find the bug in launchpad, but I'm not having much luck.
[01:06] <undeconstructed1> wow, unexpected win.  If anyone else comes along with a failing boot and an nvidia card, suggest boot from livecd, chroot to there installation, go to their apt cache and run dpkg -i nvidia*180*.deb
[01:06] <KnifeySpooney> wildweathel: Oh, i didn't know you meant me. Thanks then :)
[01:07] <wildweathel> I think what's happening is that HAL is calling your windows partitions music players.
[01:07] <wildweathel> I'm seeing the same thing with my livecd.
[01:07] <Volkodav> guest session seems to be buggy all over - Snow Leopard's as well
[01:07] <bjsnider> devicekit, not hal
[01:07] <KnifeySpooney> Ah
[01:07] <KnifeySpooney> and yeah, i thought hal was replaced
[01:07] <jonathank89> wildweathel, i've looked in there i turned off all sound alerts, its the pc speaker like.
[01:07] <bjsnider> dave has shut down hal
[01:07]  * cwillu_at_work starts singing 'daisy'
[01:08] <Lars_G> hal is still pumping our xorg config afaik
[01:08] <wildweathel> Well, that would explain why there are no bugs in HAL!  lol.
[01:09] <coz_> KnifeySpooney, did you try one of the other resize options like stretch or rectangle ?
[01:09] <KnifeySpooney> Yes, the other types work fine
[01:09] <coz_> KnifeySpooney,  ok
[01:09] <coz_> hey guys are there any issues with intel video on karmic ?
[01:09] <cwillu_at_work> coz_, not really
[01:10] <davisc> I know this is a very general question, but is there a simple/known fix for nvidia problems on karmic?
[01:10] <coz_> davisc,  which issues?
[01:10] <bjsnider> davisc, are you having such problems?
[01:10] <davisc> coz_: Yes, but the latest karmic kernel fixed it for me
[01:10] <cwillu_at_work> coz_, at least, not general issues; you'll have to search for your chipset to get any more detail
[01:10] <dmj727> COmpiz with the cube worked fine for me on an eee pc 900.
[01:10] <dotblank> hmm odd if ubuntu cleanly shuts down then it doesnt show grub. anyway to envoke it?
[01:10] <dmj727> try pressing escape during boot?
[01:10] <coz_> KnifeySpooney,  did you do sudo apt-get update  then   sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[01:10] <davisc> coz_: Well, a friend is. Just about to SSH into her machine and was wondering if there was a big known issue
[01:11] <KnifeySpooney> coz_: I ran 'sudo apt-get update' then 'sudo apt-get upgrade'
[01:11] <coz_> davisc,  well so far on this system no  I havent seen any issues
[01:11] <cwillu_at_work> davisc, I haven't had any nvidia issues myself
[01:11] <Travis-42> The following root process is taking up all of my CPU: "/usr/bin/X :0 -br -verbose -auth /var/run/gsm/auth-for-gdm-stuff/database -nolisten tcp vt8" any ideas?
[01:11] <bjsnider> davisc, when you do, run dkms status
[01:11] <KnifeySpooney> coz_: I have to run 'dist-upgrade' not just 'upgrade'?
[01:11] <cwillu_at_work> Travis-42, is cryptsetup installed?
[01:11] <coz_> KnifeySpooney,   no   sudo apt-get update  then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:11] <Travis-42> cwillu_at_work: yes
[01:11] <davisc> cwillu_at_work: Cool, well then at least it should work somehow :-)
[01:11] <cwillu_at_work> Travis-42, known bug
[01:11] <KnifeySpooney> coz_: Ok, I'll try that now
[01:11] <davisc> bjsnider: Okie dokie
[01:12] <undeconstructed1> davisc: I've had nvidia problems today, but they seem specific to me, other people have had other nvidia things, not sure what the deal is
[01:12] <Travis-42> cwillu_at_work: any workarounds?
[01:12] <Travis-42> it won't let me kill the process
[01:12] <Lars_G> I think I'll have to make udev debug
[01:12] <cwillu_at_work> Travis-42, it's a race condition, a slower computer will fix it I think :p
[01:12] <Travis-42> heh
[01:12] <cwillu_at_work> Travis-42, "sudo stop gdm; sudo start gdm"
[01:13] <cwillu_at_work> Travis-42, alternatively, boot up into single user mode, and start gdm by hand
[01:13] <ojii> hi all, I tried to update but I get "Not all updates can be installed" in update-manager, what does that mean and how do I fix it?
[01:13] <cwillu_at_work> (well, sudo start gdm)
[01:13] <ojii> in apt-get it tells me something about 'packages being held back'
[01:13] <wildweathel> In my case, it was a bad hard drive.
[01:13] <KnifeySpooney> coz_: Ah, I already see an update for the package called 'devicekit-disks'. That's probably the fix right there.
[01:14] <ojii> wildweathel: how would I check if it's really a bad hard drive?
[01:14] <coz_> KnifeySpooney, essentially  upgrade is used to install the newest versions of all packages currently installed on the system  where as  dist-upgrade, in addition to performing the function of upgrade, also intelligently handles changing dependencies with new versions
[01:14] <coz_> of packages"
[01:14] <ojii> wildweathel: and how would apt know how well my harddrive feels?
[01:14] <undeconstructed1> ojii: running synaptic will show you the details, it sounds like you updated at a bad moment and there's some inconsistency in the index
[01:14] <KnifeySpooney> coz_: Oh. That may explain other breaks i've had in my system before .. (oops) .. great tip to know!
[01:15] <wildweathel> Well, when you get Karmic installed, it has this sweet little app that tells you.
[01:15] <coz_> KnifeySpooney,  no problem and on a beta OS like karmic  dist-upgrade is probably a good idea on occasion maybe even every other day :)
[01:15] <coz_> KnifeySpooney,   at least until release
[01:15] <ojii> undeconstructed1: synaptic wants to remove ubuntuone client and also talks about stuff being held back, it doesn't warn as explicit as update-manager tho
[01:16] <davisc> bjsnider: dkms status comes back blank
[01:16] <bjsnider> blank?
[01:16] <bjsnider> install nvidia-glx-185
[01:16] <davisc> Is there a replacement for the linux-restricted package in karmic?
[01:16] <bjsnider> i'm assuming this is a modern card
[01:16] <KnifeySpooney> coz_: Yeah i've been eager to run updates every day because something cool comes out almost every day. Should I run 'dist-upgrade' even after the finalrelease is out, or is this only for the beta?
[01:16] <ojii> oh also sudo apt-get update runs WAY too fast
[01:16] <davisc> bjsnider: GeForce 8400M GS
[01:17] <bjsnider> yeah, that's fine
[01:17] <davisc> bjsnider: nvidia-glx-185 already installed
[01:17] <coz_> KnifeySpooney,  after release   dist-upgrade once a month  may be enough   but during pre release stages it is smart to run that at least every other day as I said :)
[01:17] <bjsnider> davisc, try modprobe nvidia
[01:17] <KnifeySpooney> coz_: Ok, thanks for the help! Updates are finished so i'll restart
[01:17] <coz_> ok
[01:18] <wildweathel> ojii, if you want to check your HDD, info is here: http://www.averyjparker.com/2009/01/12/checking-the-smart-details-of-a-hard-drive-with-an-ubuntu-boot-cd/
[01:18] <wildweathel> you don't need to boot if you're already running ubuntu, of course.
[01:18] <davisc> bjsnider: FATAL: Module nvidia not found
[01:18] <davisc> I'm obviously missing some package...
[01:18] <bjsnider> davisc, install nvidia-185-kernel-source
[01:18] <ojii> wildweathel: tried to run SMART the other day but that takes AGES
[01:19] <davisc> bjsnider: Already there...
[01:19] <wildweathel> Just look at the report.
[01:19] <bjsnider> davisc, reinstall that package
[01:19] <wildweathel> There should be very few bad sectors.
[01:19] <wildweathel> But, (for example) I had ~130,000 on an 80 GB disk.
[01:20] <lfaraone> How do I disable the system beep in Karmic?
[01:20] <wildweathel> PC speaker beep, or sound effects?
[01:20] <lfaraone> wildweathel: Speaker beep.
[01:20] <wildweathel> Ifara, hmm, not sure.
[01:20] <bjsnider> there's a kernel module for that, pc_spkr or something
[01:21] <wildweathel> I'm kinda busy though, so if you could wait a few minutes...
[01:21] <bjsnider> you blacklist it
[01:21] <davisc> bjsnider: Haha! modprobe nvidia now works :-)
[01:21] <lfaraone> bjsnider: tried "sudo modprobe pcspkr", no output, but it still beeps
[01:21] <lfaraone> bjsnider: tried "sudo modprobe -r pcspkr", no output, but it still beeps
[01:21] <bjsnider> davisc, try dkms status
[01:21] <davisc> bjsnider: Yeah, now gives me nvidia, 185.18.36, 2.6.31-13-generic, i686: installed
[01:21]  * davisc starts gdm
[01:21] <bjsnider> davisc, now it will work
[01:22] <lfaraone> bjsnider: it's already blacklisted in modprobe.
[01:22] <bjsnider> must be a new procedure then
[01:23] <Lars_G> someday I'll have to restart my machine to make my nvidia driver and module match
[01:24] <wildweathel> Ifra, what does "lsmod | grep pcspeaker" show?
[01:24] <lfaraone> I guess bug 77010 must be reopened.
[01:24] <bjsnider> i think it's exclusively in alsa/pulse now
[01:24] <lfaraone> wildweathel: "".
[01:25] <ojii> wildweathel: do you mean "reallocated sector count"? I have 1, is that bad?
[01:25] <cwillu_at_work> ojii, not especially, no
[01:25] <ojii> okay
[01:25] <wildweathel> Not really.  It's probably an issue with the repositories, then.
[01:26] <ojii> hm okay
[01:26] <ojii> really hope that those update fix those annoying icon-bugs
[01:26] <wildweathel> The green checks, yes.  But, I'm not sure that the music player thing has been reported yet.
[01:27] <ojii> yea just got the music player after reboot and the green checks bfore
[01:27] <ojii> and yea it looks very much like repositories failing, sudo apt-get update is done in 1 second, that's not really possible with 400KB/s for 10MB worth of repository index I usually have
[01:29] <davisc> bjsnider: Cheers. That seems to have worked. I should know all this, just didn't know the package that the driver came in :-)
[01:30] <bjsnider> no prob
[01:30] <wildweathel> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/devicekit-disks/007-2ubuntu2  Yay!  Here comes the media player icon bug fix.
[01:30] <ojii> nice
[01:30] <ojii> is it a bad idea to do a partial upgrade?
[01:31] <wildweathel> On the forum, there's some info about that.
[01:31] <wildweathel> Not always.
[01:31] <wildweathel> But, usually.  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1286309
[01:34] <vox> is thumbnail generation broken in nautilus?
[01:34] <wildweathel> vox, I don't think so.
[01:34]  * wildweathel checks.
[01:35] <alteregoa> xorg is a cpu hog
[01:35] <vox> i've installed every gstreamer package i can find, and nautilus is refusing to generate thumbnails for .avi/.mpg/etc
[01:35] <alteregoa> it uses 50 percent cpu for unknow reason
[01:35] <coz_> vox,   open nautilus  and   Edit  Preferences
[01:36] <coz_> vox,  go to the Preview tab and make  Other previewable files   "only for files amaller than" and make that  1 gig
[01:36] <coz_> vox,   see if they show up then
[01:36] <vox> nup
[01:36] <vox> no change
[01:36] <coz_> vox,  mm
[01:37] <wildweathel> vox, do those files play?
[01:37] <coz_> yeah do they open at all?
[01:37] <vox> wildweathel: yes
[01:37] <coz_> vox,  unless you have a fairly low end video card
[01:38] <coz_> vox,   which card do you have?
[01:38] <wildweathel> Okay, I'm getting my external HDD of many animes to try it with some video files...
[01:38] <coz_> although the previews should works regardless I beleive
[01:38] <vox> coz_: nvidia 9600gt
[01:38] <coz_> vox,  oh that's more than efficient enough :)
[01:39] <vox> yeah
[01:39] <coz_> vox,  is this a clean install of karmic  or an upgrade from jaunty?
[01:39] <vox> clean install
[01:39] <vox> 3 days old
[01:39] <coz_> vox,  mm  I have nvidia here as well....  did this happen right after install or just recently after updates?
[01:40] <vox> it hasnt worked since karmic was installed
[01:40] <coz_> vox,    then it may have been a bad install... did you check the disck  or md5sums before installing?
[01:40] <coz_> vox,  did you check disk with the live cd or the md5sums
[01:40] <coz_> ?
[01:41] <vox> md5sum was correct
[01:41] <vox> i must just be missing a codec somewhere
[01:41] <coz_> vox,  ok open a terminal run  sudo apt-get update  then   sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:42] <vox> did that three hours ago :)
[01:42] <coz_> damn
[01:42] <wildweathel> Oops.  I think I need to restart thanks to devkit upgrade.  Be back in a couple of minutes
[01:42] <coz_> vox,   then I am puzzled..... since this is beta  I would just go ahead and reinstall to see if the same situation occurs,,,if it does I would redownload the live cd
[01:43] <vox> it's not a huge concern, just a bit of a "...what the"
[01:44] <vox> i'll re-install when karmic is in full release if need be
[01:44] <coz_> vox,  well my guess is that  this issue may efffect other things...i would try a reinstall just to see if it occurs again
[01:45] <wildweathel> back.
[01:46] <wildweathel> Oh, noes.   It looks like my external disk isn't automounting...
[01:47] <wildweathel> oop, no there it is.
[01:47] <wildweathel> Slow, though.
[01:48] <ojii> speaking of slow, is it normal that karmic takes 4 times as long to boot than jaunty?
[01:48] <wildweathel> ojii, No, it should be much faster
[01:48] <wildweathel> well,
[01:48] <wildweathel> at least a little. :)
[01:48] <ojii> that's what I thought
[01:49] <ojii> my last boot on jaunty: 25 seconds, the last boot i did (karmic): 1 minute 34 secs
[01:49] <wildweathel> Well, video thumbnails work for me.
[01:49] <ojii> also filed this to launchpad a couple of days ago but didn't see any action on it
[01:50] <wildweathel> Link to bug, please
[01:50] <ojii> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/444405
[01:50] <vox> coz_: just worked it out. some $obscure ffmpeg package wasnt installed
[01:50] <coz_> vox, oh cool
[01:51] <coz_> vox,   thats interesting   do you have the exact name of the package?
[01:51] <Amaranth> !info boot
[01:51] <vox> coz_: heh i dont now, just closed synaptic
[01:51] <Amaranth> ojii: you filed it against the wrong package
[01:51] <ojii> oh
[01:51] <coz_> vox,  ok well it should be in history but that's ok
[01:51] <ojii> how do I fix that Amaranth
[01:51] <blueglasses> info !rtkit-deamon
[01:51] <ojii> ?
[01:52] <blueglasses> !info rtkit-deamon
[01:52] <Amaranth> although scott seems to have noticed people were doing this as he subscribed to all 'boot' bugs
[01:52] <mandara> does the two way sync(read/write) with google calendar works now in evolution 2.28?
[01:53] <blueglasses> !rtkit-deamon
[01:53] <ojii> Amaranth: what's the correct package then?
[01:54] <Amaranth> ojii: depends on where the slow down is
[01:54] <ojii> well how would I know?
[01:54] <alteregoa> does bonobo reflect the sexual activity of their species?
[01:54] <ojii> that's what I filed the bug for, so ppl can find out
[01:54] <wildweathel> It looks like you have some more digging to do (sorry).
[01:54] <Amaranth> ojii: look at your bootchart
[01:55] <ojii> I did
[01:55] <Amaranth> alteregoa: Uh, what?
[01:55] <wildweathel> And compare it to /var/log/messages
[01:55] <ojii> Amaranth: it's just loads of times/bars/names for me
[01:55] <alteregoa> yeah bonobos are known for the most sexual active mammals including humans
[01:55] <Amaranth> ojii: oh, not a bug
[01:55] <Amaranth> ojii: bootchart is configured to run 45 seconds after the boot is finished so it can profile the desktop too
[01:55] <blueglasses> !info rtkit-daemon
[01:56] <alteregoa> and i think whats up with this bonboboactivationserver
[01:56] <ojii> Amaranth: meaning?
[01:56] <Amaranth> ojii: so subtract 45 seconds from the time it says and you get something similar to your jaunty time
[01:56] <blueglasses> anyone knows what is this package?
[01:56] <alteregoa> just use a debian package instead
[01:56] <ojii> Amaranth: nope, 96 - 45 = 51, 51 > 25! actually twice!
[01:57] <Amaranth> ojii: my boot is twice as slow too
[01:57] <Amaranth> ojii: did you upgrade or do a clean install?
[01:57] <ojii> upgrade
[01:57] <alteregoa> i got a billion english bytes
[01:57] <Amaranth> ojii: sreadahead doesn't take location on disk or fragmentation into account so it seeks really badly
[01:57] <ojii> but I had no regression when i upgraded to jaunty 6 months ago...
[01:57] <ojii> and it's really notably slower
[01:58] <Jordan_U> Amaranth: I thouhg that was only used with ssds?
[01:58] <Amaranth> ojii: so clean installs will be about as fast as jaunty or faster but upgrades will almost certainly get slower
[01:58] <Amaranth> Jordan_U: nope, readahead isn't even in the archive anymore
[01:58] <alteregoa> yeah there is no way to defrag with karmic because the e4defrag isnt in the kernel
[01:58] <shawn_> How stable is karmic so far?
[01:58] <Amaranth> sreadahead is used for all systems
[01:58] <Jordan_U> Amaranth: :(
[01:58] <alteregoa> shawn unstable at all
[01:58] <alteregoa> wait aprox 3 months after releasing the final
[01:58] <wildweathel> shawn: if you don't like pain, stick with Jaunty.
[01:58] <ojii> Amaranth: how did my upgrade to jaunty get faster then? And is there some way to remove that slow down even tho I upgraded? Clean install is absolutely no option
[01:59] <shawn_> alteregoa Oh really? I got Jaunty like the day it was released in final... I should really wait 3 months?
[01:59] <alteregoa> shawn:; you ask me something, and accept it or don't ask anymore
[01:59] <Amaranth> ojii: jaunty got faster because ext3/4 doesn't fragment unless you run out of disk space and readahead loaded files from the disk in the order they are laid out on the disk
[02:00] <ojii> I use ext4
[02:00] <Amaranth> ojii: sreadahead just loads them in the order they are used by the boot so it seeks a lot
[02:00] <alteregoa> shawn: i know its what i said, gdm and all those underlying stuff is still buggy
[02:00] <alteregoa> lol ext3 doesnt fragment don't tell lies please
[02:01] <Amaranth> alteregoa: you'll get about 5% fragmentation after using it for a year (if that) so long as you keep the partition less than 80% full
[02:01] <alteregoa> every FS fragments, but in real-life you didn't notice that
[02:01] <Amaranth> ext4 even more so
[02:01] <wildweathel> So, how did readahead know what order the files were on disk?
[02:01] <alteregoa> get a SSD drive, so you can use 98 percent of the space
[02:02] <Amaranth> wildweathel: If you stat them you get the inode so you can sort by that
[02:02] <Amaranth> still some seeking to stat them but it only takes like 200ms or so iirc
[02:02] <alteregoa> myspace is changing to ssd arrays
[02:03] <alteregoa> 1000x better IOPS
[02:03] <Amaranth> alteregoa: even only using 80% of a HDD I get more storage than 100% of an SSD for the same price
[02:03] <Amaranth> or even for double the price
[02:03] <alteregoa> gnome spaghetti code monitor eats 50 percent of my cpu
[02:04] <Amaranth> alteregoa: Do you even program?
[02:04] <alteregoa> yes, in c
[02:04] <Amaranth> Apparently not well enough to know better...
[02:04] <alteregoa> and in the past with turbo pascal, and basic
[02:04] <dumby_> anyone get VMWare Tools install sucessful  on 9.10? i need help on it ~ all i got after install is black screen
[02:04] <alteregoa> amaranth: yeah im not a professional, im just a amateur
[02:04] <neoTheCat> hello.  i updated my desktop to 9.10, everything worked fine.  on my laptop, when i upgraded, firefox complains about the wrong sqlite version, yet it is the same version as my desktop.  any ideas?
[02:05] <alteregoa> skalariak is cool
[02:06] <dumby_> !VMtools
[02:07] <dumby_> !VMware
[02:08] <LordMetroid> How do I get the Japanese input activated
[02:08] <dumby_> LordMetroid: System -> Admin -> Lang. Support
[02:08] <LordMetroid> SCIM doesn't seem to appear with anthy in the notification area and I can not use the key to switch between alphabetic and japanese
[02:08] <dumby_> 9.10 use ibus ~
[02:09] <LordMetroid> dumby_, I've installed Japanese and choosen a japanese keyboard
[02:09] <dumby_> LordMetroid:  System -> Pref. -> iBus
[02:10] <LordMetroid> よしゃ
[02:10] <LordMetroid> there we go
[02:10] <LordMetroid> thank you
[02:11] <Laibcoms> hmm... grub2 is supposed to be using UUID right?
[02:12] <dumby_> Laibcoms: default yes~ you can switch that off thou
[02:13] <mole_> i just updated to karmic and now my flash sound isn't working... now cause of the new linux kernel i have two sound devices so i need to make firefox use /dev/dsp1 instead of /dev/dsp but /etc/firefoxrc i don't see a documented option for this
[02:13] <mole_> anyone have any clue
[02:14] <dumby_> anyone get VMWare Tools install sucessful  on 9.10? i need help on it ~ all i got after install is black screen
[02:14] <kklimonda> doesn't flash use pulseaudio?
[02:14] <kklimonda> though some alsa plugins
[02:14] <Laibcoms> dumby_: ah thanks. Im having problems with Karmic following the HDD cable setup instead of my BIOS setup. I checked grub.cfg on a fresh install and the new grub.cfg produced after update-grub is run.  I noticed that grub2 is using the old format (/dev/sd*), known bug?
[02:15] <Laibcoms> On a fresh install, grub2 used UUID
[02:15] <mole_> i have no idea... not really familiar with pulseaudio
[02:15] <Amaranth> dumby_: this is known, vmware needs to update the tools
[02:15] <kklimonda> mole_, is flash the only place you have no sound?
[02:16] <alteregoa> skype doesnt work with junky nor with kazmic
[02:16] <mole_> kklimonda: that i've noticed.... amarok works by default... teamspeak i changed to /dev/dsp1 and it started working
[02:17] <dumby_> Laibcoms: what old format?
[02:17] <Laibcoms> dumby_: /dev/sda ; /dev/sdb
[02:17] <kklimonda>  /dev/dsp? you are still using OSS then.. curious.. I haven't had any experience with OSS for years..
[02:18] <mole_> i guess i could just remove the second sound card i was just wondering if there is a way to change it
[02:18] <mole_> alsa uses /dev/dsp too
[02:18] <mole_> i'm pretty sure
[02:18] <dumby_> Laibcoms: i don't know they change that ~ but (hd0,1) is the first partition insted of (hd0,0)
[02:19] <kklimonda> mole_, /dev/dsp is only for oss emulation
[02:19] <dumby_> Amaranth: oh ~ so no work yet ?
[02:19] <mole_> kklimonda: i don't believe you
[02:19] <Laibcoms> dumby_: since Karmic is following the "cable" setup of my HDD and not my BIOS boot-order, my SATA where Ubuntu and XP are installed becomes /dev/sdb - and XP fails to boot. But if I change grub.cfg back to using UUID, it works fine.
[02:20] <Laibcoms> dumby_: but thanks! will try to search the launchpad if any.  :D
[02:20] <mole_> maybe u r right i dunno
[02:21] <dumby_> Laibcoms: i don't think /dev/sd* order are meant to follow the boot-order in bios
[02:22] <dumby_> Laibcoms: since you are booting well~ what changes are you trying to make?
[02:24] <Laibcoms> dumby_: hoping to make update-grub to default to UUID instead of /dev/sd*  but grub2 is new so Im still trying to learn the new system ^^;;
[02:24] <Laibcoms> dumby_: so if there are kernel updates, I don't have to edit grub.cfg everytime :p
[02:32]  * IndyGunFreak hates grub2
[02:32] <IndyGunFreak> do we really need a full featured menu to choose between OS's?
[02:34]  * dumby_ agree with IndyGunFreak
[02:34] <ripps> well, they've been really throwing out the updates lately
[02:39] <dschulz> hi
[02:40] <dschulz> anyone noticed weird behavior while reproducing sound and switching between ttys?
[02:41] <dschulz> is it normal that all activity in tty07 (Xorg) stops when one switchs to tty01 ?
[02:42] <RussellAlan> i always do this by accident... how do i view my windows in a flat layout
[02:42] <RussellAlan> a second ago, i screamed and moved my mouse upward and clicked something, lol, and of course it pulled up a flat layout of the windows.
[02:45] <Jordan_U> dschulz: Pulseaudio ( for security reasons? ) stopps outputting when you are on a different tty that the sound was produced from, and it pauses any apps trying to output to pulse
[02:46] <dschulz> Jordan_U: sounds like a good explanation, I was expecting something like that :)
[02:46] <alteregoa> dwight schultz
[02:47] <alteregoa> hey murdoch
[02:47] <dschulz> haha
[02:47] <alteregoa> reginald barclay
[02:47] <dschulz> this is diego, not dwight :)
[02:48] <alteregoa> diego, what a goddess
[02:48] <dschulz> but i'm a big fan of a team
[02:48] <dschulz> as everyone born in the 80s here in Paraguay
[02:48] <alteregoa> yeah ok james
[02:49] <alteregoa> paraguay paranormal paranoid
[02:49] <alteregoa> whats so special in paraguay?
[02:50] <dschulz> look at uncyclopedia for a good definition :)
[02:50] <dschulz> that Josef Mengele was here?
[02:51] <alteregoa> yeah
[02:51] <alteregoa> he was married to a guarani girl
[02:51] <dschulz> naa, that's not true
[02:52] <alteregoa> that was a joke
[02:55] <alteregoa> broccoli
[02:56] <alteregoa> heh barclay
[02:58] <ransom> hey all.  I having trouble getting Karmic beta to load from a USB.  It will load just fine until it is time for GDM to come up, then I just get a blinking mouse cursor.  I know a few other people have had this issue.  Any suggestions?
[02:59] <ransom> oh, and I am pretty sure it is a GDM issue, b/c Kubuntu and Xubuntu load just fine.
[03:01] <Jordan_U> ransom: Does it boot from the LiveCD ok?
[03:01] <cdm101> whaa? update-manager's back to gksudo? :(
[03:01] <ransom> Jordan_U yeah, it does
[03:02] <ransom> Jordan_U: i tried both using unetbootin and the built-in USB creator
[03:02] <Jordan_U> cdm101: back? It's always used gksudo
[03:02] <cdm101> Jordan_U: nah, in Karmic it switched over to PolicyKit and aptd
[03:03] <mips-BR> hey there evry1.. I ran across a serious trouble over here
[03:03] <mips-BR> anyone could give me some advice? I upgraded libncurses5 to 5.7 and now everything I run, that was linked to the older versions 5.6 and lower, segfaults!!!
[03:04] <Jordan_U> cdm101: Ahh, Software Center uses PolicyKit and will eventually replace update-manager at least
[03:04] <mips-BR> has anyone gone through the same?
[03:04] <GodfatherofEire1> Is that whole issue with nm-applet & static IPs fixed?
[03:04] <ransom> cdm101: yeah, i heard that change will take place in the next version
[03:05] <cdm101> Jordan_U: for some time in Karmic, update-manager started using policykit and aptdaemon just like software-center.
[03:05] <cdm101> ransom: meh, I liked the new way of doing things :-/
[03:05] <Jordan_U> cdm101: Use packagekit-gnome ;)
[03:06] <cdm101> I mean, to me it doesn't really matter which is used, it just seemed that the new way was better and was a nice default.
[03:06] <Amaranth> Jordan_U: nope, update-manager is the one thing software-center isn't going to replace
[03:06] <cdm101> Amaranth: thought that was in the distant future or something?
[03:07] <GodfatherofEire1> Also, any devs of Karmic in here?
[03:07] <Amaranth> cdm101: if the distant future means lucid, sure
[03:07] <Amaranth> GodfatherofEire1: depends on what your next question is
[03:07] <Jordan_U> Amaranth: My "eventually" meant after Karmic
[03:08] <Amaranth> Jordan_U: no they changed their mind
[03:08] <GodfatherofEire1> Amaranth: Just a question on why a couple of things weren't updated to their current versions, like GRUB and GNOME in Karmic
[03:08] <Amaranth> Jordan_U: there is no plan for software-center to replace update-manager anymore
[03:08] <Amaranth> Jordan_U: they are just too different
[03:08] <Amaranth> GodfatherofEire1: we're up-to-date on all GNOME packages afaik
[03:09] <Amaranth> should be for grub as well (prerelease grub 2)
[03:09] <Jordan_U> Amaranth: I assume that update-manager will at least use policykit and aptdaemon by lucid?
[03:09] <Amaranth> Jordan_U: it does in karmic
[03:09] <cdm101> Amaranth: it did. Now it doesn't.
[03:09] <ransom> Amaranth: do you know anything about a GDM bug in Karmic that, when booting from a USB, GDM won't load and will only display a blinking mouse cursor?
[03:10] <GodfatherofEire1> Amaranth, yeah, disregard that, I was just looking on wiki, and it said that Lucid would be the last to use GNOME 2.x and would then go to 3 (Which seemed to already exist from the way it was phrased)
[03:10] <cdm101> Amaranth: unless my system's just messing with my head :)
[03:10] <Amaranth> GodfatherofEire1: nope, we don't even know if GNOME 3.0 will be the next release yet
[03:10] <mips-BR> anyone using beta ubuntu KK with ncurses lib problem got an idea on solving it?
[03:11] <Amaranth> ransom: no idea
[03:11] <jimpop> oooh, another kernel update.  This is like the 5th new kernel for a Beta product....
[03:11] <GodfatherofEire1> Amaranth; yeah, sorry bout that
[03:11] <Amaranth> jimpop: we're nearing kernel freeze so they are revving rapidly to get people to test fixes
[03:11] <Amaranth> GodfatherofEire1: it's ok
[03:12] <Amaranth> GodfatherofEire1: but don't be surprised if the next GNOME release is 2.30 and not 3.0
[03:12] <jimpop> Amaranth, kernel freeze should have been before Beta, no?
[03:12] <GodfatherofEire1> Amaranth: I wouldnt be in the least bit, I just assumed from the wording that the frameworks (at the least) were already implimented
[03:13] <Amaranth> jimpop: no, why would it be?
[03:13] <GodfatherofEire1> Amaranth: One other thing. Are they ever going to fix the shutdown/log off sounds?
[03:13] <jimpop> Amaranth, usually Beta is the break between what was in testing and what is close to shipping
[03:14] <jimpop> Beta updates should be serious bugs.. but not much else
[03:14] <Amaranth> jimpop: beta is feature freeze, that is all
[03:14] <jimpop> were there 5 serious kernel bugs in the past week?
[03:14] <Amaranth> jimpop: you're thinking of release candidate
[03:14] <jimpop> no
[03:14] <HoopyCat> jimpop:  idle here for awhile, *every* bug is a serious bug to somebody ;-)
[03:14] <jimpop> RC should be all known fixes and normally expected that RC1 is golden
[03:15] <mips-BR> anyone having trouble with libncurses from today's repository?!?
[03:15] <dschulz> mips-BR: ncurses was upgrades here too. Everything is working fine (ncurses vers.  5.7+20090803-2ubuntu2)
[03:15] <Amaranth> jimpop: this is the way our system has worked for 5 years now
[03:15] <jimpop> to me, Karmic Beta was decided more on time than code quality (given the continuous number of fixes and re-fixes we've seen this week)
[03:16] <Amaranth> jimpop: and there were a couple serious kernel issues
[03:16] <jimpop> Amaranth, it should be better after 5 years.
[03:16] <Amaranth> jimpop: um, duh
[03:16] <Amaranth> all our releases are based on time
[03:16] <mips-BR> dschulz: well I have no idea why everything is segfaulting here :(
[03:16] <dschulz> mips-BR:  what is the version you get with  apt-cache policy libncurses5
[03:16] <Amaranth> we do, wait for it, "time based releases"
[03:16] <dschulz> ?
[03:16] <cdm101> anyone know if we've fixed the "Ubuntu clobbers existing OS's" issue?
[03:16] <mips-BR>   Installiert: 5.7+20090803-2ubuntu2
[03:16] <mips-BR>   Kandidat: 5.7+20090803-2ubuntu2
[03:16] <jimpop> Amaranth, i'd prefer quality based releases.  but that could just be me
[03:17] <Amaranth> jimpop: you want RHEL
[03:17] <dschulz> mips-BR: weird
[03:17] <jimpop> lol
[03:17] <HoopyCat> jimpop:  LTS is closer to that
[03:17] <alteregoa> yeah weird, looks like german
[03:17] <Qtpaxa> Amaranth: Barney Stinson.. that's goood
[03:17] <alteregoa> eat my shorts
[03:17] <GodfatherofEire1> Amaranth: they ever gonna fix the shutdown/log off sounds?
[03:18] <Amaranth> GodfatherofEire1: I don't even know what you're talking about
[03:18] <dschulz> mips-BR: aptitude crashes too?
[03:18]  * jimpop goes to reboot into yet another new kernel.... (crossing fingers)
[03:18] <cdm101> ...guy's running a beta, if it doesn't boot up after the update, oh well.
[03:20] <mips-BR> dschulz, nope
[03:20] <mips-BR> dschulz, aptitude is fine
[03:20] <GodfatherofEire1> Amaranth: like when you shut down or log off, and even though you have a sound set, it doesnt play?
[03:20] <bjsnider> Amaranth, you didn't know those sounds were broken?
[03:20] <Amaranth> Nope
[03:21] <bjsnider> just kidding
[03:21] <dschulz> mips-BR: try to update
[03:21] <Amaranth> tbh if it's not compiz I probably don't know all the details
[03:22] <dschulz> mips-BR: sudo aptitude update  (or hit 'u' in aptitude interface)
[03:22] <GodfatherofEire1> Amaranth: its in both metacity and compiz, hasnt worked since 8.04 (and probably before that even)
[03:22] <mips-BR> dschulz, I will do that
[03:22] <mips-BR> I tryied an apt-get update/upgrade a while ago
[03:22] <Amaranth> GodfatherofEire1: that would mean it isn't related to compiz
[03:22] <mips-BR> I guess all the fault is mine, since I did a symlink (that just didn't exist, but anyway it was a missing library!)
[03:22] <mips-BR> libncurses5.0 simply disappeared
[03:23] <dschulz> mips-BR: try to reinstall
[03:23] <mips-BR> okay
[03:23] <GodfatherofEire1> Amaranth: true enough. Also, whats up with compiz and openGL, ATi still hasnt fixed that one yet?
[03:24] <bjsnider> GodfatherofEire1, ask ati
[03:24] <dschulz> mips-BR: sudo aptitude reinstall libncurses5
[03:24] <Amaranth> GodfatherofEire1: Do you mean OpenGL apps drawing on top of everything else when using compiz with fglrx?
[03:25] <GodfatherofEire1> Amaranth: yep
[03:25] <Amaranth> GodfatherofEire1: yeah, fglrx problem :)
[03:25] <GodfatherofEire1> I figured
[03:26] <bjsnider> in other words, it's another example of ati's comical tail-chasing escapades
[03:26] <bjsnider> they'll have a perfect driver by the year 2047
[03:27] <Amaranth> bjsnider: but it's already better than nvidia's driver :P
[03:28] <bjsnider> Amaranth, sure it is
[03:28] <bjsnider> nvidia hater
[03:29] <GodfatherofEire1> Well, I gotta give nVidia credit, at least there workin on DRI 2.0
[03:29] <mips-BR> dschulz, now this is happening
[03:29] <mips-BR> # ldd /bin/bash.old
[03:29] <mips-BR> 	linux-gate.so.1 =>  (0x0063b000)
[03:29] <mips-BR> 	libncurses.so.5 => not found
[03:29] <mips-BR> I moved bash to bash.old and symlinked bash to /bin/sh otherwise I wouldn't be able to use a terminal
[03:30] <cwillu_at_work> Amaranth, in what world is fglrx even in the same league as nvidia's?
[03:30] <Amaranth> cwillu_at_work: the "users filing compiz bug reports" world
[03:30] <cwillu_at_work> compiz under fglrx just looks horrendously broken compared to nvidia
[03:30] <bjsnider> never had a problem with compiz using this card
[03:31] <cwillu_at_work> I've had three nvidia cards, never a problem
[03:31] <dschulz> mips-BR: what is the bash version?
[03:31] <cwillu_at_work> I've had 3 radeon cards, and haven't had compiz work properly under a single one
[03:31] <dschulz> mips-BR: i mean, the version installed
[03:31] <cwillu_at_work> s/radeon/ati/
[03:32] <dschulz> mips-BR: looks like broken dependencies
[03:34] <mips-BR> yeah
[03:35] <mips-BR> I will check out wait a sec
[03:35] <timber> why sometimes the gnome freezes?
[03:35] <mips-BR> dschulz, I got an idea, will try to reinstall bash
[03:35] <mips-BR> wait a sec
[03:36] <mips-BR> # bash
[03:36] <mips-BR> bash: error while loading shared libraries: libncurses.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:36] <mips-BR>  <- same thing
[03:36] <dschulz> mips-BR: try opening aptitude
[03:36] <dschulz> mips-BR: then press 'f'
[03:37] <dschulz> mips-BR: then move to 'Installed packages' and press '+'
[03:37] <dschulz> mips-BR: then move to 'Not installed packages' and press _
[03:38] <dschulz> mips-BR: then press 'g'
[03:38] <dschulz> mips-BR: 'g' twice
[03:40] <Billiard> in karmic is where is $PATH set?
[03:40] <dschulz> mips-BR: are there any broken packages (a red line at the bottom)?
[03:41] <mips-BR> dunno
[03:41] <mips-BR> it started to do something
[03:41] <mips-BR> lol
[03:41] <dschulz> mips-BR: but you don't see any red message, right?
[03:42] <mips-BR> problems
[03:42] <jonndsa> damn I updated via the update manager to 9.10 and after the boot it was just black
[03:42] <mips-BR> it called bash and it is broken, i will symlink and try again wait a sec :/
[03:42] <jonndsa> that sucks
[03:42] <timber> sometime the gnome has freeze?
[03:43] <jonndsa> it may break your ssytem, yes it did
[03:43] <mips-BR> there are a lot of magenta lines
[03:43] <dschulz> mips-BR: try installing sash, a statically linked version of bash
[03:43] <mips-BR> is this normal?
[03:43] <jonndsa> im going to try reinstalling with the disc, hopefully that works
[03:43] <dschulz> mips-BR: yes, those are packages not really installed but with residual config files
[03:43] <mips-BR> I don't see anything red... now it is working
[03:44] <jonndsa> do you think karmic will work if I install it from the disc?
[03:44] <dschulz> mips-BR: depending on how many are these 'a lot of magenta lines'  :)
[03:44] <jonndsa> I hope so, I have been downloading it forever
[03:46] <dschulz> mips-BR: not sure, but i'd recommend you not to reboot until you solved the issue
[03:47] <mips-BR> I know ;)
[03:47] <mips-BR> I wont, unless the system locks up lol... but it's been pretty stable since I upgraded to KK
[03:47] <mips-BR> this system is not fail-safe.. it's an old faulty desktop PC.
[03:48] <mips-BR> lucky me I got a 12MBPS connection
[03:48] <dschulz> 12Mpbs ?!
[03:55] <alteregoa> 12mbit is slow
[03:55] <Steil> no
[03:56] <alteregoa> next year i got ftth with 1gbps
[03:59] <cdm101> ...there's a 1gbps ftth service?
[03:59] <alteregoa> yeah but of course not in the usa
[03:59] <alteregoa> korea has already 1gbit ftth
[03:59] <cdm101> fastest I can get here is 50. I'm on 20.
[03:59] <dave1231> does anybody know if my graphics issues with the two monitor support with ati is solved in 9.10?
[04:00] <cdm101> (er, Mbps)
[04:01] <virtuald> dave1231: what issues?
[04:01] <error404notfound> how can i upgrade to karmic using commandline. do-upgrade-release -d on my jaunty desktop says no new releases available
[04:02] <alteregoa> !update
[04:02] <jimpop> dave1231, ATI proprietary or the radeon drivers?
[04:02] <dave1231> virtuald: my graphics driver do not support the dual mode and i have heard of other people in forums which have the same problem
[04:02] <dave1231> jimpop: the prorietary
[04:03] <error404notfound> alteregoa, i have tried those... i don't wanna use GUI, and on commandline it says no new release
[04:03] <alteregoa> urgh
[04:04] <virtuald> when the proprietary driver worked for me (i have an x1950) xinerama worked for dual monitors
[04:04] <jimpop> dave1231, the proprietary drivers always worked well for me.  what was your issue?
[04:04] <alteregoa> maybe add the repos
[04:05] <evilaim> Hey, do you know if I could install Ubuntu on an SD Card?
[04:05] <Jordan_U> error404notfound: If you follow the directions in the upgrade notes do-release-upgrade will work
[04:05] <evilaim> I guess not since it would never be bootable right?
[04:05] <alteregoa> no its possible if your bios supports
[04:05] <Jordan_U> evilaim: I've done it
[04:06] <dave1231> jimpop: i would like two have two monitors working at the same time and they do, but not paralell, if i start the catalyst control center, the button for the "dual mode" is gray, even if i start it as superuser
[04:06] <duncan> is there any disadvantage to using the daily build to install over using the beta and updating?
[04:06] <jimpop> dave1231, in Karmic?
[04:06] <Jordan_U> evilaim: If your BIOS can do it ( mine can ) or if it can boot from USB and you have a USB reader, it's just like any other disk
[04:06] <dave1231> jimpop, in 9.04, i dont know the nicknames
[04:07] <jimpop> dave1231, 9.04 is Jaunty
[04:07] <virtuald> dave1231: use aticonfig from the command line
[04:07] <alteregoa> 1.12 jiggawatts!
[04:07] <jimpop> dave1231, i've only used ati drivers on Intrepid and Karmic
[04:08] <jimpop> dave1231, have you tried d/l'ing the latest from ati and re-installing?
[04:08] <virtuald> dave1231: like aticonfig --dtop horizontal --something (my card has been unsupported for a year so i don't remember exactly)
[04:08] <dave1231> jimpop, why dont you have switched to jaunty?
[04:08] <dave1231> virtuald: i am gonna try
[04:08] <jimpop> dave1231, Jaunty broke hibernation on my IBM T61p
[04:09] <jimpop> so i stayed (reverted) with Intrepid until Karmic went Beta
[04:10] <leaf-sheep> duncan: It's mostly about updated packages. If you already have a Karmic ISO, you might want to zsync to latest karmic.  If not, you can install and update afterward.
[04:11] <mips-BR> well
[04:11] <mips-BR> still got the same problem
[04:11] <mips-BR> is there any command in apt that would reinstall every package in the system?
[04:11] <mips-BR> ^^
[04:11] <duncan> leaf-sheep, aye, that's what I was not wanting to have to do was update again, i'm running Karmic on my desktop and it's now stable enough for my laptop (main work computer) and was wondering if I lost anything by going with a daily build for installing
[04:11] <cdm101> mips-BR: what on earth did you DO?? :)
[04:11] <Jordan_U> mips-BR: What problem?
[04:11] <ArkoldThos> ubuntu karmic isn't starting the X, already did sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:12] <ArkoldThos> since I updated
[04:12] <leaf-sheep> duncan: Mind you that Karmic isn't final yet, there are always little bugs that needs to be ironed out.  There was 75 new packages just for today. :)
[04:12] <Jordan_U> duncan: The daily is less likely to install successfully, but if it installed there is probably no difference
[04:13] <ArkoldThos> I did sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg too
[04:13] <duncan> Jordan_U, leaf-sheep thanks
[04:13] <Jordan_U> duncan: np
[04:16] <error404notfound> Jordan_U, alteregoa : http://pastebin.com/m524d417d after trying again and again, i couldn't convince it that there was a newer version avilable
[04:16] <error404notfound> available*
[04:16] <vivid> ArkoldThos, what error are you getting?
[04:17] <dave1232> re
[04:17] <dave1232> jimpop: how do i install the newest driver? just download from the ati website or is their another way?
[04:18] <vigo> ArkoldThos: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1260518 ,,,maybe
[04:18] <Amaranth> dave1232: system->administration->hardware drivers
[04:19] <dave1232> amaranth: okay, thats what i have already tried
[04:19] <Amaranth> dave1232: if that failed I doubt anything on ati's website is going to help
[04:19] <jimpop> dave1232, d/l it from ati.com then run it
[04:20] <Amaranth> it'll be the same version you get from our GUI or something older (which won't work at all)
[04:20] <jimpop> Amaranth, Ubuntu now ships with the ATI proprietary drivers?
[04:20] <error404notfound> anyone?
[04:21] <dave1232> so then, i dont have to dl at ati?
[04:21] <dave1232> at all?
[04:21] <Amaranth> jimpop: in the Hardware Drivers GUI you can get it to download, install, and configure the driver
[04:21] <Jordan_U> error404notfound: What mirror are you using?
[04:21] <Jordan_U> dave1232: It's better to install the latest drivers with envy-ng
[04:22] <basix> hi everyone, can someone please confirm whether karmic beta works as good as it says here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro5-5/Karmic
[04:22] <jimpop> Amaranth, my Hardware Drivers gui is blank with no option to add/specify anything else
[04:22] <Amaranth> jimpop: Do you have fglrx-modaliases installed?
[04:23] <error404notfound> Jordan_U, general, archive.ubuntu.com
[04:23] <jimpop> Amaranth, no, but will add
[04:25] <dave1232> jimpop do you recommend karmic for dual monitors, i have not the time to experiment?
[04:25] <jimpop> dave1232, i would wait if you don't have the time to deal with any potential problems (hourly kernel updates, etc.)
[04:26] <jimpop> Karmic is marketed as Beta right now.... but i'd still call it Alpha at this point
[04:27] <error404notfound> Jordan_U, even tried with the US one..
[04:27] <dave1232> jimpop: so karmic is the newest version?
[04:27] <jimpop> dave1232, yes, it's what this IRC chan if dedicated to
[04:27] <alteregoa> yeah, after karmic comes lunatic lemur
[04:28] <jimpop> alteregoa, lol
[04:28] <vivid> lol
[04:28] <vivid> such lies
[04:29] <dave1232> jimpop: okay i am going to wait for karmic, thx
[04:29] <dave1232> jimpop: just 20 days
[04:29] <dave1232> or so
[04:29] <jimpop> dave1232, wait for Karmic v1.1  ;-)
[04:30] <duncan> dave1232, depends on your proficiency, karmic is perfectly stable for me atm
[04:30] <dave1232> duncan: okay ill try it now then
[04:31] <jimpop> to be clear, Karmic *is* coming together quite nicely and quite fast.  BUT, there are still issues that remain and are being conquered.  However, if you can;t afford dealing with some problems then you shouldn;t jump in at this point.
[04:31] <vivid> perfectly stable for me as well
[04:31] <sgraham> hi, i just upgraded from jaunty to karmic and rebooted to a (mostly) black screen after the white ubuntu for a few seconds
[04:31] <sgraham> boots fine into recovery mode, but i'm not sure how to diagnose from here
[04:31] <Jordan_U> error404notfound: What does do-release-upgrade -d output?
[04:31] <vigo> Karmic has been stable(ish) since I put Alpha 2 on. still running smooth and gets better every day.
[04:31] <vivid> sgraham, try removing 'splash' from the grub kernel line
[04:32] <error404notfound> Jordan_U, "Checking for a new ubuntu release, No new release found", funny thing is update-manager -d shows 9.10 available and even tries to upgrade, but i am try cli
[04:32] <sgraham> vivid, ok will do
[04:32] <basix> hi everyone, can someone please confirm whether karmic beta works as good as it says here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro5-5/Karmic
[04:34] <sgraham> doh! i think it might just have been fsck'ing a 2T drive with no output
[04:34] <sgraham> unfortunate that it happened right after an upgrade :/
[04:34] <assoguerozen_sx> somebody here have qjoypad working?
[04:35] <jimpop> basix, you might want to ask over in #ubuntu-mactel
[04:35] <vivid> sgraham, im having an issue where i have to tty screens as well
[04:35] <vivid> no*
[04:35] <basix> jimpop, yeah i did. there are 2 people in there :|
[04:35] <jimpop> :-) srry
[04:36] <sgraham> vivid, ok. i tried ctrl-alt-f1..7'ing but didn't get away from the mostly black screen
[04:36] <sgraham> (mostly becase it's still got part of the logo hanging around)
[04:36] <vivid> sgraham, if you want to be able to ctrl+alt+f1 and actually see the console, you need to disable bootsplash, im still trying to figure out how to get them working with it enabled
[04:37] <sgraham> vivid, oh ok.. that's "splash" on the grub line?
[04:37] <Jordan_U> error404notfound: Maybe there is another configuration file causing problems, try purging and reinstalling udpate-manager-core
[04:37] <vivid> unless someone here already knows how to fix it :p
[04:37] <Jordan_U> vivid: It's not a universal problem, it only affects some hardware
[04:38] <vivid> Jordan_U, as in, nvidia cards?
[04:38] <sgraham> heh, that's a bit broad :)
[04:39] <Jordan_U> vivid: I don't know what specifically, most computers I've used don't have the problem, doesn't seem at all related to nvidia
[04:39] <vivid> meh, i just ignore it for now, figure there will be a fix or workaround eventually
[04:39] <arrrghhh> hey i'm having issues with my wireless card.  ubuntu seems to "provide" both drivers, the ones it uses by default (rt2800usb) do not work at all.  i see no networks.  when i switch to the rt2870sta driver, i see networks but cannot connect to my own.  i don't see nearly as many as other cards either...
[04:39] <Jordan_U> vivid: I have one machine that has had the problem on every other release :)
[04:39] <error404notfound> Jordan_U, it also tried to remove ubuntu-desktop on purge, which i think isn't something i would like, i tried "apt-get install --reinstall update-manager-core", didn't worked
[04:39] <arrrghhh> there's drivers provided online by ralink, but i can't compile it... make fails.
[04:40] <Jordan_U> vivid: Since Breezy
[04:40] <dave1232> hey guys, is it possible to update from 9.04 without burning it?
[04:41] <cdm101> my new ralink card drops out about once a day.
[04:41] <Jordan_U> dave1232: Yes, see the beta release notes
[04:42] <dave1232> thx jordan
[04:42] <arrrghhh> cdm101, what driver are you using?  i'd love to try the newest ones from ralink... they're very new in fact, but i can't build them...
[04:43] <arrrghhh> i'm probably missing some package... i installed build-essential and linux-headers-`uname -r`
[04:43] <vivid> arrrghhh, did you install linux-source?
[04:43] <arrrghhh> vivid, no, is that the package?
[04:43] <vivid> arrrghhh, if youre going to build a module against the kernel, you will need its source installed
[04:44] <arrrghhh> k i'm installing it now.
[04:45] <Jordan_U> arrrghhh: Drivers directly from Ralink usually don't compile with the latest linux version without work, I'd look at the ralink drivers in the staging area of the linux kernel as they are kept up to date ( and are being cleaned up as well )
[04:46] <arrrghhh> Jordan_U, yea... cuz that didn't fix my issue..
[04:46] <arrrghhh> i used modprobe to remove the rt2800usb driver
[04:46] <arrrghhh> and put the rt2870sta driver in its place.  some networks showed up, including mine.  but it wouldn't connect.
[04:48] <arrrghhh> makes me mad that this card works so well in windows... maybe ndiswrapper would solve my problems?
[04:49] <arrrghhh> i hate doing that.  i thought i was buying a card that would work in linux, crap.
[04:49] <Jordan_U> arrrghhh: Go with Madwifi, they provide specifications and good Free drivers
[04:50] <Jordan_U> arrrghhh: I mean Atheros
[04:51] <bjsnider> d-link has atheros chips in its wifi cards
[04:51] <arrrghhh> i'd like to get this card to work, if possible.  it worked stupid fast under windows.  didn't even have to install a damned driver.
[04:51] <Jordan_U> arrrghhh: Have you tried the ralink drivers from any of the 2.6.32 rc's?
[04:52] <bjsnider> arrrghhh, try the linux-backports-modules package. it has newer wifi stuff
[04:52] <arrrghhh> Jordan_U, no... do you suggest i run a newer version of the kernel, or just the ralink driver piece?
[04:52] <arrrghhh> bjsnider, just that meta-package?
[04:53] <bjsnider> it will pull other stuff in
[04:53] <bjsnider> then you have to reboot
[04:53] <arrrghhh> well it wants a more specific package than that
[04:53] <arrrghhh> -karmic
[04:53] <arrrghhh> or -`uname -r`
[04:54] <arrrghhh> there's some others as well
[04:54] <arrrghhh> -karmic-virtual
[04:54] <arrrghhh>  -karmic-generic
[04:54] <Jordan_U> arrrghhh: Probably easiest to test with the latest full kernel, there are even pre-built packages for Ubuntu. Incompatabilities with things like Xorg might make you want to use just the ralink drivers if you find the new kernel works
[04:54] <bjsnider> karmic generic
[04:54] <douglasawh> does anybody have any suggestions about: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8101248
[04:54] <douglasawh> seems no matter what I do I keep getting a "file too short" error
[04:55] <douglasawh> what, does it need some viagra or something?
[04:55] <arrrghhh> bjsnider, i don't know what you're having me install... it doesn't want to install 'em tho.
[04:56] <arrrghhh> Jordan_U, i'm just worried about stability.  i just want to set this box up and forget about it essentially.  it'll be my music box in my bedroom :D
[04:56] <bjsnider> arrrghhh, install linux-backports-modules-karmic
[04:56] <arrrghhh> bjsnider, doesn't work either.
[04:56] <bjsnider> that package was created spcifically to solve problems like yours
[04:57] <bjsnider> what do you mean doesn't work?
[04:57] <arrrghhh> it's saying there are unmet dependencies, and that the packages are BROKEN as it so claims!
[04:57] <Jordan_U> arrrghhh: Can you pastebin the error?
[04:58] <bjsnider> arrrghhh, run sudo apt-get -f install
[04:58] <leaf-sheep> Can I ask what those "verified" green check baby icon on top-right of all my files are for?
[04:59] <arrrghhh> http://pastebin.com/d69054ecd
[05:01] <legend2440> leaf-sheep: its a bug pertaining to ubuntuone. the fix just came down here. ubuntuone-client (1.0.0-0ubuntu1) to 1.0.1-0ubuntu1 fixes it
[05:01] <arrrghhh> or how about http://pastebin.com/db34e27c
[05:02] <vivid> i dont think 2.6.31-14 has been added to the repos yet
[05:03] <douglasawh> vivid: I saw -14 come across one of my many attempts to update
[05:03] <douglasawh> so, if it's not there, there's something telling apt it's there
[05:03] <vivid> no its there
[05:04] <leaf-sheep> legend2440: Thanks. It was strange to see those yet I felt comfortable knowing all files are "secured" for some silly reasons. :)
[05:05] <legend2440> leaf-sheep: yea. i was just getting used to seeing them and now their gone
[05:10] <thiebaude> im still having problems with nvidia-settings, i have the drivers installed, but everytime i login i have to set the resolution manually
[05:11] <thiebaude> anyone have a suggestion?
[05:11] <alteregoa> sudo nvida-xconfig
[05:11] <bjsnider> NO
[05:11] <thiebaude> ok thanks i'll try
[05:11] <bjsnider> do NOT use that command
[05:11] <thiebaude> ok
[05:11] <alteregoa> it works for me
[05:12] <thiebaude> i try to save to X configuration in nvidia-settings and it won tlet me
[05:12] <bjsnider> that command creates an unusable xorg.conf based on old x-server parameters
[05:12] <thiebaude> let
[05:12] <alteregoa> yeah, because it doesnt start with admin privilegs
[05:13] <legend2440> thiebaude: if you  run   gksudo nvidia-settings and change the res then Save the x configuration it should write it to your xorg.conf
[05:13] <spencer_> when i try to run Xephyr, it's giving me seg fault.. i don't know if it's a QEMU issue or Xephyr issue or something else in general in X windows.. how can i find out?
[05:13] <thiebaude> legend2440, it brings up an error
[05:14] <legend2440> thiebaude: the way i got around that was i had to  open the Previw window and copy paste the settings to my xorg.conf
[05:14] <alteregoa> in Turkey, Kurdish is forbidden,so Microsoft never makes a Kurdish support for windows or they would loose Turkey's market but Ubuntu doesn't give a damn about fascists governments ,"it is not for market, it is for humans."
[05:15] <thiebaude> legend2440, it brings up- failed to parse X config file /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:15] <akio> anyone here know how to use xrandr in the gdm startup scripts?
[05:16] <bjsnider> alteregoa, market != fascism
[05:16] <akio> I have xrandr lines that I know work when run as a script, put them at the end (before exit) of /etc/gdm/Init/Default
[05:16] <legend2440> thiebaude: yes i am familiar with that error
[05:16] <thiebaude> legend2440, where is preview?
[05:16] <thiebaude> i have nvidia-settings open
[05:16] <akio> still starts up at the wrong resolution
[05:17] <douglasawh> bjsnider: he wsn't calling MS fascist
[05:17] <alteregoa> dr. noonien soong
[05:17] <legend2440> thiebaude: when you click the Save X configuration its supposed to open a box. inside that box is a Preview button. but it sounds like that box is not opening for you
[05:18] <thiebaude> legend2440, no, it wont open it gives me an error
[05:19] <legend2440> thiebaude: can you paste your   /etc/X11/xorg.conf  file?
[05:19] <legend2440> !paste
[05:19] <thiebaude> so everytime after i login i have to set the resolution manually
[05:19] <thiebaude> ok
[05:22] <thiebaude> legend2440, i got my xorg.conf open but dont know how to show it
[05:22] <thiebaude> legend2440, how about a screenshot
[05:22] <legend2440> thiebaude: copy and paste it  here  http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[05:23] <thiebaude> ok
[05:23] <legend2440> thiebaude: then paste the url here
[05:23] <thiebaude> legend2440, http://paste.ubuntu.com/292844/
[05:26] <bjsnider> good, solid xorg.conf
[05:26] <legend2440> thiebaude: wow thats pretty sparse. you can use mine as a template if you want  http://paste.ubuntu.com/292846/
[05:27] <thiebaude> ok thanks
[05:27] <bjsnider> the nvidia settings issue is because it expects to find a section of the xorg.conf file that is now missing
[05:27] <bjsnider> that's why it says there's a parse error
[05:27] <thiebaude> bjsnider, ahh ok
[05:28] <legend2440> bjsnider: yes thats true. but i cant remember which Section it needs for Save X to work
[05:28] <thiebaude> legend2440, im trying to figure out what to put in my xorg.conf
[05:28] <bjsnider> i think my version of nvidia-settings fixes that problem, but i'm not 100% sure
[05:28] <thiebaude> bjsnider, is it a bug?
[05:29] <bjsnider> it was
[05:30] <bjsnider> mine, the one in the nvidia-vdpau ppa, fixes that problem, i think
[05:30] <legend2440> my nvidia-settings app is   Server Version Number    11.0
[05:31] <bjsnider> no, you need look look at the package name
[05:33] <legend2440> nvidia-settings 180.25-0ubuntu1
[05:33] <bjsnider> mine is 190.32
[05:33] <bjsnider> https://launchpad.net/~nvidia-vdpau/+archive/ppa
[05:34] <mips-BR> people I got what happened here
[05:34] <mips-BR> was getting segfault for everything
[05:34] <mips-BR> I deleted apt's cache
[05:34] <bjsnider> mine is a lot different than that old one
[05:34] <mips-BR> all the packages downloaded
[05:34] <mips-BR> changed to main repository
[05:34] <mips-BR> did apt-get update / upgrade again and reinstalled libncurses
[05:34] <mips-BR> everything worked again
[05:34] <legend2440> bjsnider: are you using the 190 drivers too?
[05:34] <mips-BR> =)
[05:34] <achiang> fresh install of karmic, gnome-keyring doesn't seem to unlock my ssh key, so when i ssh from the terminal, i get prompted for my passphrase every time. known issue?
[05:35] <bjsnider> legend2440, no, it doesn't depend on the beta driver
[05:35] <legend2440> bjsnider: oh ok
[05:35] <douglasawh> so, no one has seen my error before? I never got a response
[05:35] <douglasawh> gtk-update-icon-cache: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libobject-2.0.so.0: file too short
[05:36] <Koterpillar> Vuze fails to start on x64 complaining about SWT: http://paste.ubuntu.com/292854/ - am I missing some packages, is my Java broken, or is it a known bug?
[05:37] <douglasawh> it's somehow related to startx not working...the only link may be a lock up during an update, but now I can't seem to update anything...have to use netroot to try
[05:37] <kindofabuzz> what's up with the new checkmark icons in my ~?
[05:38] <FFEMTcJ> I'm trying to install startupmanager, however I get a message saying grub-pc is broken.. it then wants to remove grub-pc.. any suggestions?
[05:38] <legend2440> kindofabuzz: its a bug pertaining to ubuntuone. there is a fix on the way. i just got the fix about half hour ago
[05:38] <alteregoa> try grub2
[05:38] <kindofabuzz> legend2440, thanks
[05:38] <FFEMTcJ> alteregoa: by try grub2, what do you mean?
[05:39] <alteregoa> grub version 2
[05:39] <legend2440> kindofabuzz: update called   ubuntuone-client (1.0.0-0ubuntu1) to 1.0.1-0ubuntu1   fixes it
[05:39] <FFEMTcJ> right.. how do i 'try' it
[05:39] <alteregoa> yeah thats easy
[05:39] <Koterpillar> FFEMTcJ, aptitude install grub-pc
[05:40] <FFEMTcJ> Koterpillar: says no packages to install upgrade or remove
[05:40] <kindofabuzz> legend2440, must be in proposed?
[05:40] <Koterpillar> FFEMTcJ, then you already have it
[05:41] <FFEMTcJ> right.. however startup manager is saying its broken
[05:41] <hatchetman82> whats the recommended directory into which to install a JDK ? (java dev kit)
[05:41] <legend2440> kindofabuzz: no i dont have proposed enabled. its a regular update
[05:41] <Koterpillar> startup manager appears not to be compatible with grub2
[05:42] <kindofabuzz> legend2440, hmm just ran an update and don't get anything
[05:42] <FFEMTcJ> is there a replacement?
[05:43] <Koterpillar> file a bug on it
[05:43] <Koterpillar> it says to be compatible with grub2, but lists grub as a dependency
[05:43] <legend2440> kindofabuzz: ubuntuone-client is in the main repo. you using the US server?
[05:43] <kindofabuzz> legend2440, yes
[05:44] <legend2440> kindofabuzz: it should be coming along soon
[05:44] <kindofabuzz> kk
[06:00] <eross> any word yet on fragmentation of this ext4? Yah I've googlyed it and read where some online tools blah bla blah bla.. exist etc. Is there a current lowdown, if ext4 fragments similar to NTFS?
[06:01] <sebsebseb> !defrag |  eross
[06:01] <sebsebseb> eross: and Ext4 is better than Ext3
[06:01] <eross> better could mean compromises :/
[06:02] <sebsebseb> eross: You don't have to defrag Linux file systems it's as simple as that
[06:02] <DopeGhot2> Is it, all things considered, safe to do an upgrade from Jaunty to Karmic on a wubi installation?
[06:02] <eross> ok ty
[06:02] <sebsebseb> DopeGhot2: Wubi and upgrade hmm
[06:02] <sebsebseb> DopeGhot2: doesn't sound that good at all
[06:03] <sebsebseb> in fact good idea to clean install  Ubuntu  for the Ext4 in 9.10 :)
[06:03] <sebsebseb> and people get problems with Wubi sometimes
[06:03] <sebsebseb> DopeGhot2: the final isn't out yet,  I woudn't recommend upgrading your  wubi install to the beta, but not the final either,  if you can it's better in the long run to do real partitions
[06:04] <DopeGhot2> sebsebseb: This I know, but the Windows installation is on a Dynamic Disk, and that doesn't play well with GRUB
[06:04] <sebsebseb> DopeGhot2: How so?
[06:04] <sebsebseb> Dynamic Disk what do you mean also?
[06:05] <DopeGhot2> When you boot Windows on a Dynamic Disk, it klobbers GRUB as an "error correction"
[06:05] <sebsebseb> DopeGhot2: If you want Wubi I suggest waiting for there to be a 9.10 installer, and starting over
[06:05] <sebsebseb> what's a dynamic disk?
[06:05] <eross> anyone forsee any issues when I reformat my partition into ext4, after the karmic release? Currently am running latest release ubuntu on a 60Gb SSD harddrive and mount of home on a 1Tb harddrive. I've backed up my important home directory files just in case, it is formatted in ext3.
[06:05] <kindofabuzz> i installed 9.10 on my laptop and 9.10 on my server, both clean installs. SSH'ing into my server seems slower than 9.04. anyone know what's up?
[06:05] <DopeGhot2> It's like LVM for Windows, to oversummarize
[06:06] <DopeGhot2> kindofabuzz: meaning it takes a while for SSH to connect / ask for authentication? That's usually a DNS issue (serverside)
[06:06] <sebsebseb> eross: Doing a clean install of  9.10 is the way to go,  then  get Ext4 by default,  as well as Grub 2
[06:06] <sebsebseb> where as  Ext3 9.04 upgrades will have neither
[06:06] <sebsebseb> by default
[06:06] <eross> would it be good to reformat my 1Tb to ext4 too?
[06:06] <sebsebseb> eross: probably not
[06:06] <sebsebseb> eross: Which file system is it currently?
[06:06] <kindofabuzz> DopeGhot2, to connect, but i'm connecting internally
[06:07] <eross> ext3
[06:07] <sebsebseb> eross: ok and you don't have any really massive files on it?
[06:07] <sebsebseb> Ext4 is better  than Ext3 for much bigger files, but I am talking huge stuff
[06:07] <DopeGhot2> kindofabuzz: does the server also take a couple extra moments sshing to localhost?
[06:07] <eross> no, lots of development hobby stuff
[06:07] <sebsebseb> eross: keep it as Ext3  I think, since you probably won't notice any benefits if you change it to Ext4
[06:08] <kindofabuzz> DopeGhot2, little faster connecting localhost
[06:08] <sebsebseb> the main thing when it comes to Ext4  is to have / in it :)  so  fast boot up, shut down, and disk checking, plus  9.10 has something else in it to speed up boot up and shut down
[06:08] <eross> i keep my games on it though, open arena, quake live, x-plane..
[06:08] <sebsebseb> eross: that's fine
[06:09] <sebsebseb> eross: an Ext4  Ubuntu install can read and write to a Ext3 partition
[06:09] <eross> savage 2  - so no benefit to playing fps' then
[06:11] <sebsebseb> eross: as  far as I know a file system does not speed up  frames per second in a game ever
[06:12] <DopeGhot2> sebsebseb: eross: indeed not.  Best case is a minor improvement in level load times.
[06:12] <sebsebseb> eross: fps is graphics so your graphics card,  and any  driver  for it, will be taking care of that, and xorg
[06:12] <coordinador> hi
[06:13] <coordinador> i havent the "services" item in administration menu
[06:13] <coordinador> does anymore have it?
[06:13] <eross> that makes sense, I don't like the anticipation of waiting for the release, it drives me crazy when I count the days :P
[06:14] <sebsebseb> eross: well the release isn't amazing
[06:14] <sebsebseb> it won't be amazing
[06:14] <coordinador> eross, or sebsebseb (assuming that only you are awake) if you have ubuntu 9.10beta, could you please check if you have the services item in menu?
[06:14] <sebsebseb> far from amazing even,  that's what it will be it seems, and I say this as someone who has been testing it since alpha 4
[06:15] <DanaG> eh, not right now, but maybe tomorrow?
[06:15] <DanaG> Eh, I don't need a pie.
[06:15] <eross> far from amazing in a neg or pos direction?
[06:15] <coordinador> i was testing karmic since the repos are online, and i think this karmic release is awesome
[06:15] <DanaG> er,
[06:15] <DanaG> sorry, was meant for another channel.
[06:15] <eross> see if i have karmic in the software updates?
[06:15] <DanaG> damn scrolly tabs.
[06:16] <sebsebseb> coordinador: I coudn't see it, but  things don't always up date properly when updating since an alpha 4.  I wonder if I am meant to be having the add/remove in the admistration menu for example, as well as the software centre
[06:16] <sebsebseb> coordinador: awesome if you need it to fix hardware issues such as  an Intel graphics card,  otherwise  not quite
[06:16] <eross> my update manager was empty. it complained about a launchpad key first
[06:17] <coordinador> sebsebseb, i erase each prerelease and install newest each time , i am using beta clean installed
[06:17] <DanaG> ssh servers are very handy for testing.
[06:17] <DanaG> And so is a serial console.
[06:17] <eross> oh duh sorry.. not using beta
[06:17] <sebsebseb> coordinador: I didn't want to waste CD's, so I didn't do that, even though I have many CD R's here
[06:17] <coordinador> sebsebseb, i use a usbdrive
[06:17] <coordinador> and install from it
[06:17] <coordinador> with a couple of gigs is enough
[06:18] <sebsebseb> coordinador: I haven't installed from USB before
[06:19] <sebsebseb> coordinador: and the bigger  USB stick I have, I might not be able to make into an Ubuntu one
[06:19] <coordinador> sometimes if you update since alpha versions somethings doesnt work perfectly, thats why i prefer to use a clean install. Installing from a usbdrive is more quick
[06:19] <sebsebseb> coordinador: exactly  if updating since an alpha version, but even the beta for that matter,  things may not always up date properly, hence why  I will clean install the final in  November
[06:20] <coordinador> sebsebseb, you could install it in a virtual machine, so you can check the new appearance, new software, etc... and report bugs if you want to
[06:20] <sebsebseb> coordinador: and next time round I will probably do Lucid in  a vm  clean installing releases
[06:21] <coordinador> and without use cds
[06:21] <coordinador> hehe yes :)
[06:21] <sebsebseb> coordinador: plus by then I might even be using another distro as my main distro :)
[06:22] <sebsebseb> really I wanted to get away from 9.04, and do Fedora 11, but  it woudn't like  my partition set up
[06:22] <glick> hi
[06:22] <coordinador> i am using karmic as my main distro, is working ok in my machine. I will install fedora12 alpha tomorrow, its already available
[06:22] <coordinador> hi glick
[06:22] <glick> is anyone running ubuntu 9.10 on their netbook already?
[06:23] <eross> sebsebseb, you're not impressed with karmic?
[06:23] <sebsebseb> eross: indeed
[06:23] <coordinador> sebsebseb, do you have a problem with karmic? hardware maybe?
[06:23] <glick> im wondrin if i should put 9.10 on my netbook
[06:23] <sebsebseb> coordinador: no
[06:23] <coordinador> glick, you should try to run live
[06:24] <sebsebseb> 8.10 was a great release,  shame it lacked stable Ext4 support though
[06:24] <Koterpillar> glick: yes, if you are prepared to deal with everything failing
[06:24] <sebsebseb> plus 8.10 isn't LTS
[06:24] <glick> Koterpillar, heh you think everything will fail?
[06:24] <glick> theres only 16 days left till launch
[06:24] <glick> everything is frozen for the most part
[06:24] <coordinador> Koterpillar, what are you talking about? did you have bad experience with karmic in your machine?
[06:25] <coordinador> in my machine everything works fine
[06:25] <Koterpillar> Yes, because I run it from Alpha.
[06:25] <coordinador> its a dell intel chipset
[06:25] <sebsebseb> I can rip apart  the releaes since 8.04 and say what is good and bad about them,  plus I have used Ubuntu since the second release in 2005,  so I have seen this distro grow,  become  better, but also worse in certain ways
[06:25] <Koterpillar> Once X refused to start, numerous times suspend did strange things
[06:25] <coordinador> Koterpillar, well i think glick dont want to install the alpha
[06:25] <glick> Koterpillar, your running alpha?
[06:25] <sebsebseb> as for 7.10 and releases before that, oh  yes they were pretty good at the time, but I don't remember them that much now
[06:25] <glick> well alpha is alpha
[06:25] <Koterpillar> I am running... what's current now? Beta already
[06:26] <coordinador> Koterpillar, you should try to install a clean beta
[06:26] <Koterpillar> but i have a backup instance of 9.04... well, on desktop.
[06:26] <glick> coordinador, i remimber really liking the one before gutsy
[06:26] <Koterpillar> coordinador, everything is running fine now
[06:26] <coordinador> feisty? yes
[06:26] <coordinador> oh i see
[06:26] <coordinador> glick, well... you should try karmic in live mode
[06:26] <glick> what was before feisty
[06:26] <sebsebseb> coordinador: 7.10  is  Gutsy Gibbon  the first release to get proper  NTFS read and write support
[06:26] <Koterpillar> again, save for the question I asked earlier
[06:26] <coordinador> glick, edgy
[06:27] <glick> yeah edgyu
[06:27] <sebsebseb> !edgy
[06:27] <glick> edgy was one of my fav releases
[06:27] <coordinador> !eol
[06:27] <glick> koala is a 2 year desktop release and 5 year server
[06:27] <sebsebseb> glick: no
[06:27] <glick> koala is a LTS release
[06:27] <coordinador> 10.04 lucid is lts
[06:27] <sebsebseb> glick: no it is not
[06:27] <glick> oh
[06:27] <sebsebseb> !10.04
[06:28] <sebsebseb> !lts
[06:28] <glick> ok ok my bad
[06:28] <coordinador> i cant wait that lucid repos are online :3~~
[06:28] <coordinador> i always have 2 partitions, one with current release and other with next
[06:28] <glick> will i have to change anything if i install beta when the release becomes official
[06:28] <glick> or do i just do a regular update
[06:28] <glick> ?
[06:29] <sebsebseb> 9.10 is not a great release,   it's not all  Ubuntu's/Canonicals fault though,  for example it's not their fault that the new GDM  2, can't be themed like the old one
[06:29] <coordinador> oh well, sebsebseb  that is true
[06:29] <coordinador> but in general i think 9.10 has a LOT of good thinks, more quick, more stable, more compatible, better looking, etc...
[06:30] <coordinador> the last technologies
[06:30] <SwedeMike> the kernel is a bit too fresh for my liking though, but I guess by time of the release most will be fixed
[06:30] <SwedeMike> 2.6.31 hasn't been a great release so far, though
[06:30] <kindofabuzz> kernel freeze is tomorrow i think
[06:30] <coordinador> SwedeMike, why do you say that?
[06:30] <sebsebseb> coordinador: Ext4 by default at last,  Fedora 11 already did that a while ago.  With  a nice stable kernel for it and all that.  Ext4 can be done in 9.04, but they don't have a proper kernel and that for it,  so  maybe a lock up issue when deleting big files.
[06:31] <glick> is there a big diff between ext3 and ext3?
[06:31] <kindofabuzz> none
[06:31] <coordinador> glick,  no
[06:31] <coordinador> hahah
[06:31] <SwedeMike> coordinador: the 2.6.31.x releases have contained quite a lot of fixes.. and mucking with the vty layer is always dangerous
[06:31] <glick> so whats the big hoopla about ext4>?
[06:31] <coordinador> ext3 and ext3 are the same XD, may be you wanted to say between ext3 and ext4 :P
[06:31] <SwedeMike> glick: ext4 isn't ext3
[06:32] <sebsebseb> glick: noticable differences,  when it's done to /  in 9.04 this is,   faster  boot up,  faster shut down, and rather fist disk checking after the 23 or so boots,  9.10 with Ext4 is like that, but they also have  the new boot up stuff to speed things up
[06:32] <vivid> where is the System > Administration > Services menu?
[06:32] <coordinador> SwedeMike, oh i see
[06:32] <coordinador> vivid,  i dont have it neither
[06:32] <coordinador> vivid, i reported that as a bug
[06:32] <coordinador> a couple of days ago
[06:32] <vivid> is there a cmd line to access it?
[06:34] <coordinador> vivid,  i dont remember the command
[06:34] <coordinador> but you can edit services in /etc/ dir
[06:34] <coordinador> i dont remember which subdir neither, my memory sucks i know
[06:34] <coordinador> and sorry for my english , my main language is spanish
[06:35] <assoguerozen_sx> guys, what is the command to activate gnome-volume-control tray icon?
[06:35] <Koterpillar> /etc/init.d ? /etc/rc?.d/ ?
[06:35] <coordinador> yes
[06:35] <Seventoes> is it possible to boot off of the 9.10 iso with grub (not grub2)?
[06:35] <coordinador> assoguerozen_sx, i think is an applet of gnome panel
[06:35] <sebsebseb> Seventoes: I think so, but  it won't be easy to set up
[06:35] <coordinador> assoguerozen_sx, check private
[06:35] <assoguerozen_sx> coordinador not here
[06:36] <Seventoes> sebsebseb: clue on where to start? :P
[06:36] <sebsebseb> Seventoes: I think you have to made a CDFS  partition or something
[06:36] <sebsebseb> make not made above
[06:36] <Seventoes> trying to avoid partitioning and extracting the files if possible, i have about 10 other OSes booting off the same drive
[06:37] <petafile> I need to use a verson of a package (matplotlib) that is available for karmic, but not jaunty (what I'm running).  is there a way to do this without upgrading to karmic beta?
[06:38] <assoguerozen_sx> coordinador btw, that applet just works with pulseaudio
[06:39] <assoguerozen_sx> i remove it, then no more applet to show
[06:40] <Koterpillar> petafile, download it and install with dpkg
[06:40] <glick> is anyone running karmic on a netbook?
[06:40] <Koterpillar> glick, I am
[06:40] <glick> Koterpillar, the full version or the netbook remix
[06:41] <Koterpillar> yes
[06:41] <Koterpillar> the netbook remix
[06:41] <Koterpillar> but it's by no means not "full"
[06:41] <glick> whats the difference
[06:42] <Koterpillar> some fancy default settings, like windows all maximized (which I like) and some launch manager instead of desktop (which I don't like and have disabled)
[06:42] <glick> i actually dont like the all maximized setting
[06:42] <glick> it ws  the first thing i disabled
[06:42] <habanany_> anybody knows why i cant use my logitech notebook deluxe webcamera with skype, ( karmic koala )
[06:44] <yukongt> every time i check for updates it tells me: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/project-neon/ubuntu/dists/karmic/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  404  Not Found
[06:44] <yukongt> Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. Am i missing updates i need because of this or can i get it to stop trying to check there? What is the problem?
[06:45] <Koterpillar> yukongt, you do not. Go to software sources and delete that line
[06:46] <habanany_> how do i report bugs for karmic?
[06:47] <Koterpillar> habanany_, ubuntu-bug <package-name>
[06:47] <Koterpillar> if you are running Karmic, that is
[06:49] <hatchetman82> how do i change the default domain used when connecting to a windows metwork share ?
[06:49] <hatchetman82> by default, the user field is the same as the logged in ubuntu user and the domain is WORKGROUP
[06:49] <hatchetman82> can i change those defaults ? (at least the domain part)
[06:50] <hatchetman82> (im using gnome, btw)
[06:56] <alteregoa> in the smb.conf it hink
[06:56] <eagles0513875> alteregoa: ya i think its in the smb.conf file as well
[06:58] <alteregoa> smb.conf in the global section
[06:58] <alteregoa> there is a entry workgroup = WHATEVERYOUWANT
[06:59] <alteregoa> if you're done smbd reload or something
[07:00] <alteregoa> maybe someone builds a gui to configure that, but this takes forever, because the average developer doesnt care
[07:01] <Koterpillar> alteregoa, system-config-samba
[07:03] <hatchetman82> lol
[07:03] <evanpro> Hi all
[07:04] <evanpro> Oh!
[07:04] <evanpro> I'm having a problem with reboot
[07:04] <hatchetman82> is tweaking the smb.conf the same as editing the gnome configuration editor ?
[07:04] <evanpro> It's probably VirtualBox
[07:04] <hatchetman82> because i've found /system/smb/workgroup in there
[07:04] <evanpro> THanks for adding the topic tonyyarusso
[07:04] <hatchetman82> and i think thats where the default is kept
[07:04] <freenose> What app does karmic uses for cpu freq scaling?
[07:05] <alteregoa> this program crashs random
[07:06] <hatchetman82> what smb.conf to edit ? i see it at /usr/share/samba and /etc/samba/
[07:06] <alteregoa> etc
[07:07] <hatchetman82> ok. out of curiosity, whats the purpose of the /usr/share file ?
[07:07] <evanpro> gonna reboot
[07:07] <evanpro> wish me luck folks
[07:08] <hatchetman82> good luck
[07:08] <alteregoa> i wish me luck yeah
[07:08] <Koterpillar> $ head /usr/share/samba/smb.conf: # Sample configuration file for the Samba suite for Debian GNU/Linux.
[07:08] <alteregoa> hmm i hope some distro tries to merge every config file into a single registry
[07:09] <Koterpillar> Vuze fails to start on x64 complaining about SWT: http://paste.ubuntu.com/292854/ - am I missing some packages, is my Java broken, or is it a known bug?
[07:09] <Koterpillar> alteregoa, Windows :(
[07:09] <alteregoa> koterpillar: i know, but the idea is good
[07:09] <Koterpillar> alteregoa, Disagree. Say I want to try out my new Samba/X/etc. config, how do I back it up?
[07:09] <alteregoa> i remember pre windows 95 times, win31 with those wierd .ini's
[07:10] <Koterpillar> cp smb.conf smb.conf.bak
[07:10] <vivid> ffs, can i safely remove pulseaudio in karmic?
[07:10] <Koterpillar> How do I restore it if I messed up? Same. How do I restore a registry if the system doesn't boot, and I can't use whatever registry editor?
[07:11] <alteregoa> koterpillar? central managing linux(es) becomes more easy if you have just a single file to modify
[07:11] <alteregoa> koterpillar: a registry to restore is easy, there are many backups
[07:13] <Koterpillar> My point is: you should't need an utility to read it, or to edit it.
[07:13] <evanpro> dang
[07:13] <evanpro> it wasn't VirtualBox
[07:14] <evanpro> So, I have a problem with karmic
[07:14] <alteregoa> koterpillar: i agree, but this utility could fit within the mbr
[07:14] <evanpro> I updated & upgraded this afternon
[07:14] <evanpro> When I rebooted this evening
[07:14] <evanpro> The boot sequence stops at "Starting init crypto disks"
[07:14] <Koterpillar> !enter | evanpro
[07:14] <texnofobix> anyone here using kubuntu netbook version?
[07:14] <evanpro> Koterpillar: thanks.
[07:15] <ArkoldThos> anyone got this after upgrading to karmic? Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module
[07:15] <evanpro> My theory is that the init script that runs after /etc/init.d/cryptdisks-early is failing.
[07:15] <texnofobix> i'm seeing issues with the panel with application and newspaper to stay in an edit mode after going to the application (widget) menu
[07:16] <ArkoldThos> evanpro, just wait MANY time there, waited for me :)
[07:16] <ArkoldThos> i mean, worked for me*
[07:16] <eagles0513875> evanpro: will reboot to see if it happens to me as well
[07:16] <eagles0513875> ArkoldThos: will check that as well for ya
[07:16] <hatchetman82> alteregoa: i think a better idea would be some sophisticated configuration editor that _presents_ everything as if it was lone large conf structure, but stores it into the original seperate files
[07:17] <ArkoldThos> eagles0513875, that just happens, when you booted the system 20+ times without fsck checking
[07:17] <hatchetman82> lone = one*
[07:17] <ArkoldThos> so it checks it, but unlike other ubuntu versions, it doesn't advices, no clue why
[07:17] <eagles0513875> ArkoldThos: i havent run fsck yet i have another 3 reboots before it does
[07:17] <Koterpillar> hatchetman82, and I don't have to use it if I don't want to
[07:17] <hatchetman82> while browsing the smb.conf file i see 2 performance-enhancing lines commented out ((SO_RCVBUF and socket options)
[07:17] <hatchetman82> is it same to uncomment them ?
[07:17] <eagles0513875> ohhh new kernel
[07:17] <hatchetman82> safe*
[07:17] <slacker_nl> web interface to packages.ubuntu.com down?
[07:18] <evanpro> But I don't know how to figure out which script that actually is. I've booted from a USB key, chrooted to the hard drive, and done an apt-get update & upgrade. I've also removed VirtualBox ,which is mentioned in the /topic.
[07:18] <slacker_nl> can anyone confirm? ^^^
[07:18] <Koterpillar> slacker_nl, seems so
[07:18] <ArkoldThos> anyone having this with while updating? :/ Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module
[07:18] <slacker_nl> Koterpillar: kthnx
[07:18] <hatchetman82> slacker_nl: yeah, cant load the page either
[07:18] <eagles0513875> evanpro: no problem with it hanging in regards to  your issue
[07:18] <eagles0513875> ArkoldThos: it loaded the driver just fine for me
[07:19] <texnofobix> brb
[07:19] <evanpro> ArkoldThos: so, it's a fsck that's taking a while and not giving good output? I'll try doing an fsck in my USB-key environment and then reboot. Hopefully it won't try to fsck again.
[07:19] <eagles0513875> ArkoldThos: are you using the 185 driver or the generic nv one
[07:19] <hatchetman82> ok, smb.conf tweaked, rebooting to test
[07:19] <evanpro> eagles0513875: thanks for checking
[07:19] <eagles0513875> no prob :)
[07:20] <evanpro> Just did an fsck, going to reboot now. Wish me luck!
[07:20] <eagles0513875> good luck evanrmurphy
[07:20] <eagles0513875> whoops wrong person
[07:20] <hatchetman82> is it possible that after a couple of successful boots to a new kernel the system removes the prev kernel entries from grub ?
[07:21] <ArkoldThos> eagles0513875, i think is generic one... is for a friend that is stuck but he is slow at answering
[07:21] <ArkoldThos> since he just installed jaunty and updated to Karmic, I belive he didn't even install the propietary one
[07:21] <eagles0513875> ArkoldThos: in my honest opinion its best to do a clean install
[07:22] <coordinador> hatchetman82, if you still have installed the prev kernels i think is not possible
[07:22] <eagles0513875> but then again upgrade results may vary
[07:22] <eagles0513875> ArkoldThos: i would have him try the proprietary one from nvidia thats in the repos
[07:22] <coordinador> hatchetman82, but if you uninstall it, the system will remove
[07:22] <hatchetman82> uninstall, as in from synaptic ?
[07:23] <ArkoldThos> eagles0513875, what is the name of the package to install it from the console?
[07:23] <eagles0513875> hold on let me boot up vm to check for you ArkoldThos
[07:23] <ArkoldThos> kk
[07:23] <hatchetman82> thats too bad actually, would have been a nice feature (even if opt-in from some setting somewhere) to keep a system clean after dist-upgrades
[07:23] <slacker_nl> could anyone do me a favor and paste the output of aptitude changelog update-manager? Since i'm not running karmic and cannot reach packages.u.c
[07:23] <ArkoldThos> im unfamiliar to nvidia packages :p
[07:23] <eagles0513875> slacker_nl: packages site down for you?
[07:23] <ArkoldThos> slacker_nl, sec
[07:24] <coordinador> hatchetman82, yes, from synaptic
[07:24] <ArkoldThos> slacker_nl, from what date? :O
[07:24] <ArkoldThos> or what version
[07:24] <coordinador> hatchetman82, thats how i do, and the system removes automatically from grub list
[07:24] <slacker_nl> eagles0513875: yes
[07:24] <hatchetman82> coordinador: thanks.
[07:24] <slacker_nl> ArkoldThos: take the top 3 changes :)
[07:25] <hatchetman82> i think i'll go suggest the auto-remove-after-X-boots feature. should be really helpful on most new user's computers
[07:25] <eagles0513875> where can i report that http://packages.ubuntu.com/ is down
[07:25] <ArkoldThos> slacker_nl, http://pastebin.com/m1a2221be
[07:25] <slacker_nl> merci!
[07:25] <hatchetman82> i dont think a lot of people really wish to keep all their kernels, and a lot of them are probably afraid of synaptic
[07:25] <ArkoldThos> np
[07:25] <ArkoldThos> hatchetman82, i have them all since 2 yrs ago i believe :p
[07:25] <coordinador> hatchetman82, sometimes the new kernel doesnt work perfectly so in that case you could go back to the older kernel, that is why the kernels are kept
[07:26] <hatchetman82> coordinador: thats why its after-X-boots, and opt-in
[07:26] <hatchetman82> ArkoldThos: and you consider yourself to be a representative case ? :-)
[07:26] <coordinador> hatchetman82, what about if wifi doesnt work, or sound, or something else than x
[07:26] <ArkoldThos> is like coordinador says, somethings got broken from time to time
[07:26] <hatchetman82> by X boots i meant configurable number, not the window system
[07:27] <eagles0513875> ArkoldThos: its nvidia-glx-185
[07:27] <eagles0513875> thats the name of the driver
[07:27] <ArkoldThos> thanks eagles0513875
[07:27] <hatchetman82> or maybe make it an off-by-default option in the janitor application
[07:27] <eagles0513875> no problem it could be for him his nv driver is bugging out ArkoldThos
[07:27] <coordinador> hatchetman82, maybe a tool that manages the kernels... or some
[07:27] <hatchetman82> ....the janitor
[07:28] <ArkoldThos> eagles0513875, after installing the driver the next action is dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg right?
[07:28] <coordinador> ...or the system probe  (comprobador del sistema in spanish)
[07:28] <eagles0513875> no
[07:28] <eagles0513875> no need ArkoldThos
[07:28] <eagles0513875> ArkoldThos: just reboot
[07:28] <ArkoldThos> kk
[07:28] <hatchetman82> where do i file suggestions ?
[07:29] <coordinador> since the janitor cannot differentiate between a good working system and a bad one
[07:29] <coordinador> hatchetman82, you could use ubuntu-bug , may be
[07:29] <eagles0513875> launchpad.net hatchetman82
[07:29] <hatchetman82> so off by default. the user would need to select the old kernels for removel himself
[07:29] <hatchetman82> k
[07:29] <hatchetman82> thanks
[07:29] <eagles0513875> or hatchetman82 could ask in the channel coordinador said
[07:30] <hatchetman82> no such channel. mailing list maybe ?
[07:30] <coordinador> ubuntu-bug is a command
[07:30] <coordinador> and its argument is a package
[07:30] <eagles0513875> also a channel if im not mistaken
[07:30] <eagles0513875> its ubuntu-bugs
[07:30] <coordinador> oh i see
[07:30] <coordinador> ubuntu-bug
[07:30] <eagles0513875> ya ubuntu-bugs is the channel hatchetman82
[07:31] <coordinador> and ubuntu-bug is the command hah
[07:31] <hatchetman82> thanks, ill ask them
[07:36] <ghendar> it would make more sense to do a kernel-image rotation... keep original, last and newest
[07:37] <coordinador> bye guys,  i hope that in karmic final , the Services item reappear in administration menu
[07:37] <coordinador> :p bye
[07:39] <ArkoldThos> eagles0513875, it returns that it is installed
[07:39] <ArkoldThos> x.x
[07:43] <eagles0513875> ArkoldThos: :) then thats a bug in the nv generic driver
[07:44] <eagles0513875> ArkoldThos: anyway thats better then the nv driver he has 3d acceleration now
[07:44] <ArkoldThos> x still doesn't work :(
[07:48] <hatchetman82> well, i've posted my idea. if you like it, you can vote : http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/21844/
[07:50] <eagles0513875> ArkoldThos: ?
[07:50] <eagles0513875> ArkoldThos: is it dropping right down to a console
[07:50] <ArkoldThos> eagles0513875, yup
[07:51] <eagles0513875> ArkoldThos: funny solution for this
[07:51] <eagles0513875> remove the nvidia driver that u installed from the repos and download and install the one from the nvidia website cuz on alpha 5 thats what i did was having the exact same issue and i used the driver from nvidia site instead of what was in the repo and it fixed not having x
[07:52] <hatchetman82> rael men dont need x :-D
[07:52] <hatchetman82> real*
[07:52] <karmic> people do you have any issues with Networkmanager or it just happpening to me ?
[07:52] <hatchetman82> everything is fine with metwork manager on my machine
[07:53] <ArkoldThos> eagles0513875, im thinking that something different is happening, like my friend being a noob and giving wrong logs, since I got the drivers and it works as always
[07:53] <DanaG> grr, stupid usb 2.0.
[07:53] <DanaG> 1.1GB of 5.9GB copied -- approximately 4 hours left (307.8 KB/sec)
[07:53] <DanaG> That is utterly pathetic.
[07:54] <eagles0513875> ArkoldThos: its possible how come he isnt in here
[07:54] <karmic> My network manager do not save any setting like user name passwords/satatic ip and so , I had to setup internet sharing in my other windows machine my network managert only can connect to "auto eth0"
[07:55] <eagles0513875> karmic: kde or gnome network manager
[07:55] <ArkoldThos> eagles0513875, he doesn't know nothing about the console, so he can't log on irssi :p
[07:55] <karmic> Gnome
[07:55] <eagles0513875> ArkoldThos: there are gui based clients and is he on gnome or kde
[07:55] <ArkoldThos> x doesn't start :p
[07:55] <eagles0513875> karmic: not that i know of i know on kde the network manager doesnt work with wifi
[07:56] <eagles0513875> does he have a win based machine he can get on
[07:56] <eagles0513875> lol
[07:57] <ArkoldThos> eagles0513875, he installed some msn console client
[07:57] <ArkoldThos> no clue xd
[07:57] <eagles0513875> O_o
[07:57] <karmic> :O
[07:57] <eagles0513875> ArkoldThos: i think he just needs to reinstall
[07:57] <ArkoldThos> yup
[07:57] <eagles0513875> and do a clean install instead of upgrade
[07:57] <ArkoldThos> clean install of the beta?
[07:57] <eagles0513875> especially since he isnt well versed in command line
[07:57] <eagles0513875> ya
[07:57] <eagles0513875> karmic: whats wrong
[07:58] <karmic> nothing :D
[07:58] <ArkoldThos> D:
[07:58] <ArkoldThos> i wonder why karmic is more unstable than debian sid :p
[07:59] <eagles0513875> ArkoldThos: that will change
[07:59] <Ian_Corne> is it unstable?
[07:59] <Ian_Corne> haven't noticed tbh
[07:59] <SwedeMike> ArkoldThos: probably because of newer kernel?
[07:59] <SwedeMike> sid is at 2.6.30 afaik?
[08:00] <indus> why is the new gdm black and not brown like the mock up
[08:01] <ArkoldThos> eagles0513875, yeah, just about 15 days more D:
[08:01] <ArkoldThos> SwedeMike, yup 2.6.30
[08:01] <SwedeMike> so it has 3 more months of kernel fixes
[08:01] <glick> hey, in netnbook remix, how can i adda folder to my home folder
[08:01] <eagles0513875> SwedeMike: and ArkoldThos the kernel isnt bad has some issues in my studies for linux certification if i learned anything about the kernel the odd numbers are usually dev versions even numbers are release versions
[08:01] <glick> when i right click nothing happens
[08:02] <ArkoldThos> never said the kernel was bad :p the kernel is okay, is just that everytime I update the packages alsa goes broken and other things do too, but well, just 15 days more of 10329103 updates daily :p
[08:04] <glick> wow, the new UNR interface is pretty damn sweet
[08:04] <glick> i didnt like it before but  now i love it
[08:04] <glick> it adds sooo much realestate
[08:05] <ArkoldThos> glick, what netbook you got :O?
[08:05] <ArkoldThos> im thinking on buying one, not sure yet though
[08:05] <glick> i got the 1000HE
[08:05] <glick> eee
[08:05] <glick> i love it
[08:06] <ArkoldThos> =)
[08:06] <eagles0513875> ArkoldThos: i have duel boot on my macbook pro and its the same i have no audio what so ever
[08:06] <eagles0513875> ahhhhhh i hate vista
[08:07] <glick> im running 9.10 off a usb drive and so far im VERY impressed
[08:08] <vivid> ive had troubles with this is the past...what is the recommended method to uninstall pulseaudio
[08:09] <SwedeMike> eagles0513875: that is not correct anymore, it hasn't been correct for several years. there is nothing with odd and even numbers anymore.
[08:09] <SwedeMike> eagles0513875: it used to be that 1.x where x was odd, it was dev version
[08:10] <eagles0513875> but from what i have seen with kubuntu SwedeMike is that they always seem to use even numbered kernels
[08:10] <SwedeMike> must be a coincidence.
[08:10] <glick> hmm i think i found a small bug in unr
[08:10] <glick> nothing major though
[08:10] <glick> but slightly annoying
[08:11] <mac_v> glick: big or small... any bug is a bug ;)
[08:12] <ArkoldThos> eagles0513875, the thing that is going broken on every update is alsa-base so you dont have to deal with it heheh
[08:12] <eagles0513875> humm
[08:12] <eagles0513875> i wonder if compiling it from source package would fix it
[08:18] <nowimproved> installed karmic koala, and it killed my whole system
[08:18] <nowimproved> so I reinstalled with an old ubuntu cd I had, and it somehow combined 2 of my hard drives
[08:18] <nowimproved> I cant start ubuntu unless they are both connected
[08:18] <wekt> nowimproved: do you understand how it did that?
[08:19] <nowimproved> no
[08:19] <wekt> nowimproved: which installer?
[08:19] <nowimproved> 8.0.4
[08:19] <nowimproved> one of my hard drives had windows on it
[08:19] <nowimproved> and still has it
[08:19] <wekt> nowimproved: the debian installer (a.k.a. 'alternative') or ubuntu installer?
[08:20] <nowimproved> you need both of the drives connected to boot ubuntu though
[08:20] <nowimproved> the live cd one
[08:20] <nowimproved> I dont care though, I will wait until karmic stable comes out , and format both of them
[08:20] <nowimproved> and make sure not to have 2 hard drives connected when installing
[08:21] <wekt> What are the bug targets for the debian & ubuntu installers?
[08:31] <Ian_Corne> the update just installed both -13 and -14 kernel
[08:31] <Ian_Corne> and it took the -13 kernel as the one to use actively
[08:31] <Ian_Corne> how can i change that?
[08:32] <Dr_Willis> 2.6.31-14-generic   is being used here
[08:32] <Dr_Willis> Try reruning 'update-grub' ?
[08:33] <Ian_Corne> well i saw something like -13 has been configged last, not creating symlinks
[08:34] <mysticdarkhack> morning
[08:34] <glick> hey does anyone know a good tutorial on how i can enable bootbooster on my eeepc with ubuntu?
[08:36] <mysticdarkhack> anyone here experience keyboard problem where it slow typing respond?
[08:37] <wekt> no, mystic
[08:37] <wekt> no, mysticdarkhack
[08:37] <Dr_Willis> Not really had any keyboard issues here in a while.
[08:37] <bullgard4> Is Karmic supposed to display an applet if I plug in an USB web cam (which works all right in this Karmic computer)?
[08:37] <mysticdarkhack> strange
[08:38] <wekt> but i have not updated to the most recent XServer for fear that something may break
[08:38] <wekt> and i don't wish to re-log in
[08:39] <wekt> i will do that now, though.  Bye.
[08:43] <mysticdarkhack> nevermind, it the cheap battery for my wireless keyboard
[08:43] <mysticdarkhack> lol
[08:45] <Dr_Willis> :)
[08:46] <thepianoguy> hi guys
[08:46] <thepianoguy> my pulseaudio doesn't see any devices
[08:46] <thepianoguy> is there anything else I need to install/configure other than default package
[08:46]  * Dr_Willis sucks at sound trouble shooting
[08:46] <thepianoguy> - the new skype supports pulseaudio only AFAIK... no alsa/oss anymore
[08:47] <|eagles0513875|> morning Dr_Willis was talking with ArkoldThos about sound he said the updates are constantly breaking alsa base package
[08:47] <glick> does ubuntu unr automatically encrypt your home folder?
[08:48] <glick> why does it give me the option to require password to login and decrypt home folder?
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> I was?  :)
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> heh.
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> glick:  sounds like its asking if you want to encrypt. I dident think it did it by default. But ibe not tested the UNR version lately.
[08:49] <ArkoldThos> hi D:
[08:49] <glick> does it decrease performance a lot?
[08:50] <Dr_Willis> glick: it might a little.. i dobt if its a lot.
[08:51] <Dr_Willis> If you are paranoid about someone stealing you rlaptop and getting your data - it may be a good idea
[08:56] <lodder> Help, on every icon in nautilus there is a check icon, how can i get rid of it?
[09:09] <topyli> lodder, yeah ubuntu one decided to put them there for both my laptop and desktop
[09:10] <lodder> topyli: is it ubuntu one? that causing it ?
[09:10] <topyli> lodder, well at least the emblem is named "ubuntuone-synchronized"
[09:11] <topyli> lodder, here's the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/450112
[09:12] <yoritomo> hello
[09:12] <yoritomo>  every web browsers are extremely slow on my karmic
[09:12] <yoritomo> i thought it was coming from the new firefox
[09:12] <yoritomo> but i tryed arora and some others one
[09:12] <yoritomo> looks like it has a problem in the config
[09:14] <yoritomo> for a page of google needs 10 secs to appears :s
[09:14] <yoritomo> that is a fresh install the the cash is almost empty
[09:15] <lodder> topyli: thx
[09:16] <yoritomo> looks like a bug
[09:16] <yoritomo> can anyone check with me please ?
[09:18] <vivid> firefox opens for me in 1.14 seconds
[09:20] <sarmisak> hi all
[09:20] <yoritomo> even for a page of google it is like that
[09:20] <sarmisak> I am using openoffice 3.1, but when I start it, it dies without warning after displaying the splash.
[09:22] <dbugger> Hey guys! Can anyone tell me why after the latest update, every icon has a green tick?
[09:23] <glick> hey how come when i do a update on a freshly installed system  i get an error message that says not all updates can be installed
[09:23] <glick> and it aske me if i wanna do a partial update
[09:23] <vivid> what updates?
[09:24] <glick> via the update manager
[09:24] <glick> after a fresh install
[09:24] <glick> over 400
[09:24] <vivid> which packages will not update?
[09:26] <yoritomo> glick i got it too
[09:26] <yoritomo> try to change the server to see
[09:26] <yoritomo> source server
[09:27] <vivid> glick, 'sudo apt-get upgrade' , what packages are under will not be upgraded?
[09:29] <topyli> dbugger, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/450112
[09:30] <dbugger> lol, funny bug :D
[09:30] <topyli> glick, in such situations, use synaptic. the updates need to remove/install packages, which an upgrade won't do but dist-upgrade will
[09:32] <glick> what do you do with dialog screens that are too big for the physical screen and you cant click 'ok'
[09:32] <glick> ?
[09:33] <topyli> glick, alt-drag
[09:34] <glick> thanks topyli
[09:34] <yoritomo> what can make the web browsers so slow like that?
[09:34] <glick> i hope they fix that papercut during final release
[09:35] <glick> thats diffinatly an annoyance
[09:35] <topyli> glick, which papercut?
[09:36] <topyli> oversized dialogs exist in many apps that should be fixed. it's not really a single problem
[09:37] <topyli> to make matters worse, compiz constrains (or at least used to constrain) windows to the top of the screen by default so you couldn't even move them
[09:38] <yoritomo> glick what is your screnn resolution?
[09:38] <vivid> compiz should be optional to install anyway imo
[09:40] <Dr_Willis> But the cube effect is the whole REASON for running Linux!
[09:40] <Dr_Willis> CubeOS
[09:40] <vivid> oh yea, most people run linux because it has flashy desktop effects right?
[09:41] <Dr_Willis> It worked for OS-X :)
[09:41] <glick> yoritomo, 1024x600
[09:41] <vivid> i guess
[09:42] <yoritomo> perfect anyway, :s
[09:42] <vivid> but it should still be optional to install, instead of optional to remove, like *cough* pulse
[09:42] <yoritomo> how comes you experience such window problem
[09:42] <glick> hey do i have to reinstall when 9.10 is officially released?
[09:42] <vivid> no
[09:42] <glick> or will the update manager bring everything up to speed?
[09:43] <elumbella> vivid: what do you run instead of pulse?
[09:44] <vivid> elumbella, alsa, but it would seem i cant do that in karmic
[09:44] <elumbella> well, i use pulse and it works fine for me
[09:45] <vivid> for me, it causes more problems than it adds features that i will ever use
[09:45] <vivid> the largest of which is microphone functionality
[09:45] <elumbella> hehe, and for me, without pulse my sound didn't work correctly
[09:45] <Dr_Willis> glick:  i tend to wait a week or 3 after release.. then do a clean reinstall.. just  to clear out all the cruft i was beta-testing
[09:46] <vivid> elumbella, but, wouldnt it be easier for you to 'apt-get install pulseaudio' to fix than it is for me to take an ice pick to my computer to get pulse to go away
[09:47] <elumbella> vivid: yeah, that of course. but you could do that with a lot of packages and then we dont have a distribution anymore...
[09:48] <vivid> well i would advocate pulseaudio if my microphone would work
[09:48] <glick> yeah good idea Dr_Willis
[09:48] <vivid> hell, i would even settle for them actually making an attempt to help get it working, rather than telling me my configuration is wrong
[09:50] <yoritomo> in virtualbox i use jaunty and the web pages are extremely faster
[09:50] <yoritomo> but on karmic can't use a browser
[09:50] <yoritomo> i think i will stop to use karmic, not yet on maturity i will reinstall jaunty
[09:50] <glick> so far the nbr is pretty nice
[09:50] <glick> im liking the netbook interface
[09:50] <glick> before i hated it
[09:53] <yoritomo> for me the experience will stop here, web browser is a thing i can't do without
[09:53] <vivid> yoritomo, try back when karmic is no longer Beta
[09:54] <glick> if i add a folder to my home directory why cant i see it in appear in the files and folders of the ubr interface?
[09:54] <yoritomo> yes, but untill now, nobody can tell me the problem about browsers, than means it is difficult case
[09:55] <vivid> yoritomo, i would tell you why, but i dont have that problem and no idea what to tell ya : /
[09:55] <vivid> are you running a LiveCD by chance?
[09:56] <glick> is that a bug?
[09:57] <yoritomo> no :) it is installed on hard drive :)
[09:57] <yoritomo> and not usb ;)
[09:57] <glick> no
[09:57] <glick> ive installed it
[10:00] <yoritomo> vivid i can provide logs, but need to know which one
[10:12] <glick> why arnt all my folders in my home directory listed under files & Folders?
[10:13] <Dr_Willis> what 'files and folders' ?
[10:13] <glick> Dr_Willis, in the ubr interface
[10:14] <Dr_Willis> no idea on that. I hate the UNR interface.  :) fisrt thing i did on my AAO was install ubuntu-desktop
[10:14] <Dr_Willis> :P
[10:14]  * Dr_Willis imagines we will need a #ubuntu-UNR+Moblin channel soon.
[10:14] <Dr_Willis> its proberly getting what ones to show from a directory of links, or other settings
[10:15] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. HULUdesktop for Linux is getting me... annoyed.. pause a video..  and it then cant resume it.
[10:16] <vivid> hulu for linux?
[10:17] <dumbby> hallo~ha~
[10:17] <Dr_Willis> Yes. Hulu came out with a linux client last week
[10:17] <Dr_Willis> it works 'ok' but has issues.. or it could be hulu servers are the issue
[10:17] <Dr_Willis> but at least it lets me legally watch some shows. :)
[10:17] <vivid> i thought hulu was a website
[10:18] <tosse_> hi, im having problems getting kernel output on serial console in karmic (amd64), normally console=ttyS0,115200 in the kernel line in grub does it but i get no output
[10:18] <tosse_> i get "Couldn't get a file descriptor referring to the console" but I don't know if thats related
[10:20] <Dr_Willis> vivid:  yes. it is.. and they have had 'stand alone' clients for ages.
[10:20] <glick> anyone use netbook remix with the UNR interface?
[10:23] <rob0> I wonder why, with UNR Karmic, there was an ISO of the beta and not a USB img? How many netbooks have CD drives, and what's the point of a tiny little computer if you're also toting along an external CD/DVD drive?
[10:24] <Lego9998> Hello volks, perhaps anyone can help mei have done a upgrade from Jaunty to Karmic with apdate-manager -d
[10:25] <Lego9998> the upgrade was very well done but at the next reboot Grub can't find the Partition (there is encryptet with LUKS)
[10:25] <Lego9998> what can i do to learn Grub the correct way ? thanks for propositions
[10:25] <Dr_Willis> You can easually use unetbootin, or the usb-creator tool to make a bootable flash gizmo rob0
[10:25] <Dr_Willis> rob0:  when we had the IMG many people wanted it to be an iso.. or though tit was an iso and tried to put it on cd.
[10:25] <rob0> yeah I know, but I don't have either of those, my only ubuntu is the netbook.
[10:26] <Dr_Willis> It was a little annoying when you dd'd the 1gb img to a 8gb flash drive.. then discovered that the other 7gb was basically unuseable...
[10:26] <Dr_Willis> Now if unetbootin could just set up a peristant save file.. and if persistant save stuff worked better.....
[10:27] <Dr_Willis> then that would be nice. :)
[10:27] <rob0> true, but that's only an issue for the install, once you're past the install, repartition the flash.
[10:27] <Dr_Willis> But i wan tto keep the flash useable as a restore/recover/live portable system also
[10:28] <rob0> yes, an OS-on-USB would be handy.
[10:28] <glick> why arnt all my folders in my home directory listed under files & Folders?
[10:28] <Dr_Willis> I have to tweak my usb-os - things to get the peristant save working properly
[10:29] <glick> in the nbr interface
[10:33] <joaopinto> glick, no nbr users here
[10:34] <vivid> Dr_Willis, yes the hulu client is pretty neat, a little laggy though, gg flash
[10:34] <glick> dang
[10:35] <Dr_Willis> vivid:  been trying to watch some videos.. it fails 3x now to play the 2 comercial break.. then  cant resume the video
[10:35] <Dr_Willis> sort of makes it suck :)
[10:36] <vivid> havent gotten that far yet, are you on 64bit?
[10:36] <Dr_Willis> vivid:  the moovida progral in the repos is a similer interface for your local files.
[10:36] <Dr_Willis> 64bit here.
[10:36] <Dr_Willis> I had to edit my .huludesktop file to point to the right flash plugin
[10:36] <vivid> same
[10:36] <Dr_Willis> [flash]
[10:36] <Dr_Willis> flash_location = /var/lib/flashplugin-installer/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so
[10:37] <Dr_Willis> was what i got from the forums. :)
[10:38] <wekt> If you have a backlog of stale unsent apport crash reports, how can they be summarily deleted?
[10:39] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. grub2 can aparantly boot .iso files? from what i just read in a forum.
[10:39] <Dr_Willis> wekt:  not sure.. i end up having to clean out a dozen a day.
[10:39] <Dr_Willis> im so used to that crash icon being there..
[10:39] <Dr_Willis> Id be happy if the crash reporter could rember my sudo password.. so i dont have to keep reentering it.
[10:40] <Dr_Willis> devkit-disks-helper-ata-smart-collect is Always crashing
[10:40] <joaopinto> Dr_Willis, right, in some place that other app would be able to get :)
[10:40] <wekt> i haven't seen that one
[10:40] <joaopinto> :P
[10:41] <wekt> joaopinto in private non VM RAM
[10:41] <joaopinto> wekt, private RAM ? what is that ?
[10:41] <glick> hard to believe to one uses nbr
[10:41] <joaopinto> glick, believe it :)
[10:42] <wekt> There is 'shared memory' by 'private', i mean not shared.
[10:42] <wekt> then the kernel & CPU prevent access to it by other processes
[10:42] <joaopinto> wekt, hum, I am not aware of memory controlled on a per process basis, only on a per user/group basis
[10:42] <wekt> it is per process
[10:43] <joaopinto> still, that would require ubuntu-bug to run as a service, which is not the case :)
[10:43] <joaopinto> wekt, any link where I can read about that ?
[10:43] <wekt> yes, that would be required.
[10:43] <wekt> i'll check my bookmarks.
[10:44] <rob0> I use NBR and the NBR interface for it, but the file browser works for me.
[10:52] <aprilhare> hello
[10:52] <aprilhare> is anyone having problems with zeroconf?
[10:53] <aprilhare> cause i can't access my linux box's attached printer from windows machine..
[10:53] <stonk> hi. WQuick question, does karmic have better support for photocopiers that use mailbox/passwords? thanks
[10:54] <ActionParsnip> aprilhare: do youhave samba installed?
[10:54] <aprilhare> ActionParsnip, not using samba. not sure if its installed.
[10:54] <wekt> joaopintoi i don't know anything exact links to the topic, but these are good resources for that sort of thing.
[10:55] <wekt> http://learnlinux.tsf.org.za/
[10:55] <aprilhare> ActionParsnip, yes samba installed
[10:55] <wekt> http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/index.html
[10:56] <ActionParsnip> aprilhare: ive not done it any other way, your printers (i believe) are default shared with samba. If you jump on the windows system and open a run dialogue and type: \\<host name>    you should see the printer which you can right click and click connect
[10:57] <ActionParsnip> aprilhare: you may need to provide the driver for the printer in windows
[10:58] <joaopinto> wekt, I am familiar with C apps development in Linux, I am not familiar with the feature you have described :)
[10:58] <aprilhare> ActionParsnip, all that is taken care of. its the resolving the mdns thats the problem
[10:59] <aprilhare> HP WeirdJet on http://aprilhare-x64-desktop.local
[10:59] <aprilhare> :631
[10:59] <aprilhare> forgot that bit
[10:59] <aprilhare> so yeah zeroconf is stuffing up
[10:59] <joaopinto> wekt, private memory usually referes to non shared memory, however, it is not protected from an OS perspective
[11:00] <wekt> joaopinto, the protection is what causes SegFault
[11:01] <joaopinto> wekt, not really, a segault is when you try for example to write data on a code segement
[11:01] <joaopinto> it protects segements flaggeds for different purposes
[11:01] <wekt> i did not know that would also produce seg fault.
[11:02] <joaopinto> wekt, the name implies it "segmentation fault" :)
[11:02] <wekt> do you have a reference about that?
[11:02] <wekt> There is self modifying code
[11:03] <joaopinto> wekt, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segmentation_fault
[11:05] <aprilhare> for those out of the loop, zeroconf is also branded as Bonjour by Apple: http://support.apple.com/downloads/Bonjour_for_Windows
[11:06] <wekt> joaopinto, well they don't cover code segments in that article, but they do address constant strings, so one can expect that code is also protected.
[11:07]  * aprilhare checks the version of bonjour on his laptop and discovers it is old
[11:07] <joaopinto> wekt, they described read-only areas, code segements can be flagged as read-only
[11:07] <ActionParsnip> aprilhare: you can have it printing directly to cups
[11:07] <wekt> certainly
[11:07] <ActionParsnip> aprilhare: http://www.kindawannadothat.com/2009/06/connect-windows-to-a-cups-printer/
[11:08] <aprilhare> ActionParsnip, i suspect thats what i set it up to do :)
[11:08] <ActionParsnip> aprilhare: seems like a decent guide. review your settings
[11:08] <aprilhare> its odd. you can't check printer settings in windows for a network printer unless it can connect to the printer.
[11:09] <Dr_Willis> cups security.
[11:09] <aprilhare> since it has worked once it may work again (you never know) lol
[11:09] <Dr_Willis> You could set up guest accounts to let anyone/everyone connect/print to the printer
[11:09] <Dr_Willis> cups is 1/2 voodoo 1/2 logic 1/2 luck
[11:09] <Dr_Willis> and  smb on windows is 90% luck it seems
[11:09] <aprilhare> its worked right for a long time now
[11:10] <aprilhare> as i said, its not the printing its the zeroconf/bonjour
[11:10] <Dr_Willis> I still cant figure out why  the one xp box i got hass to connect to the shared printer on linux via ip# not servername
[11:10] <aprilhare> i prefer it that way actually Dr_Willis
[11:10] <aprilhare> zeroconf is the best
[11:10] <Dr_Willis> not when the wife wants to print. and she cant. :)
[11:10] <aprilhare> ... when its working that is
[11:11] <Dr_Willis> ive never really dug into zeroconf. it seems like a cool feature taht no one mentions/uses/knows about
[11:11] <aprilhare> gotta quit bonjour install wants xchat dead brb
[11:11] <aprilhare> zeroconf is very cool
[11:11] <aprilhare> brb
[11:13] <ActionParsnip> jesus sql is sloow :(
[11:13] <aprilhare> re
[11:13]  * aprilhare restarts windows
[11:14] <aprilhare> silly windows installers
[11:14] <aprilhare> you blow your nose on a windows pc you need to reboot
[11:14] <ActionParsnip> or move the mouse
[11:15] <aprilhare> gfloppy still missing from karmic :/ how am i gunna format my floppy disks? :D
[11:16] <Dr_Willis> mkfs command. :)
[11:16] <aprilhare> i suppose i could install kfloppy... but its so not gnome!
[11:16] <aprilhare> mkfs command somehow seems overkill :D
[11:16] <Dr_Willis> a gui to do it seems overkill
[11:18] <rob0> Floppies are ... underkill?
[11:18] <aprilhare> Dr_Willis: you never used amigaos then :) gui >> cli for some tasks. such as formatting floppies
[11:18] <Dr_Willis> I used the AmigaOS for a great many years
[11:18] <Dr_Willis> and i had command line tools in it to format my floppies to the fastfilesystem :)
[11:19] <Dr_Willis> and copy them to the RAD: disk so i could boot from Rad:
[11:19] <aprilhare> yay for RAD:!
[11:19]  * Dr_Willis misses the CanDO for many tasks
[11:19] <Dr_Willis> Such a handy program/ide/language
[11:19] <Jaymac> is ayone else having huge usb stick issues?
[11:20] <aprilhare> actually RAD: didn't work at the end for me. for some reason caching my kickstart to fast ram broke rebootable RAD disks
[11:20] <aprilhare> Jaymac: i hope not.
[11:20] <Dr_Willis> Jaymac:  they are not auto mounting automacially?
[11:20] <aprilhare> yay for CanDO!
[11:20] <aprilhare> is there an equivalent of CanDO! for linux?..
[11:20] <Dr_Willis> aprilhare:  yep. Still havent found a good replacement for it..
[11:21] <aprilhare> Dr_Willis: time to get coding :)
[11:21] <Dr_Willis> aprilhare:  Not that ive seen.  but i dont really need it any more
[11:21] <Dr_Willis> I rarely need to program much these days. but if i had the tools i might
[11:22] <Dr_Willis> Then theres the Amiga Emulators out I could really use if i wanted..
[11:22] <Jaymac> Dr_Willis, it mounts automatically - i see it on my desktop
[11:22] <Jaymac> but it takes nautilis several minutes to open it
[11:22] <Jaymac> and even trying command line transfer or listing on it takes ages
[11:23] <Dr_Willis> but i realized the power of Regular expressions -  a 200+ lines of CanDoo Scripting.. i replaced with 3 lines of perl and a regular expression or 2.... :P
[11:23] <Dr_Willis> Jaymac:   so they are 'slow' Hmm
[11:23] <|eagles0513875|> hehe i need to pick up scripting when i have some time
[11:23] <|eagles0513875|> just swamped wtih school atm
[11:23] <aprilhare> Dr_Willis: i give u a programming challenge and you turn to emulators? what sort of linux hacker are you? :D
[11:24] <Dr_Willis> aprilhare:  one that gets the job done.
[11:24]  * Dr_Willis is an Engineer.
[11:24] <aprilhare> aaahhhh.
[11:24] <C-S-B> mmm... the ubuntu kernel seems to be a lot more stable than my one. Does that say more about me or ubuntu?
[11:24] <Dr_Willis> well im trainded as an enginere.. and am 'skilled trades' who actually DOES real work fixing things.
[11:24] <aprilhare> Dr_Willis: i've worked as engineer too
[11:24] <ActionParsnip> C-S-B: i'd say whomever compiled the ubuntu one :)
[11:25] <C-S-B> ActionParsnip: yeah, ive found things I'd learnt to live with, are working again since loading the generic kernel
[11:25] <ActionParsnip> C-S-B: a clear choice then, my man
[11:25] <C-S-B> ActionParsnip: agreed
[11:26] <C-S-B> ActionParsnip: i dont mind waiting for 2.6.30 + until karmic is out but I'm verging on installing the beta
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> could put it on a usb stick to test ;)
[11:26] <C-S-B> ActionParsnip: how good/clean an install would you get doing an upgrade from beta
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> C-S-B: its seamless from beta to rc
[11:27] <C-S-B> ActionParsnip: 9.10 is firmly placed on my stick
[11:27] <ActionParsnip> C-S-B: what about the usb storage? ar ar
[11:27] <C-S-B> ActionParsnip: so if i install beta now, i'd have just as good an install when its updated post 29 /10 than if i installed that day?
[11:27] <ActionParsnip> C-S-B: usb is a good way to test systems as your internal drive is untouched, if it runs ok then install to the internal
[11:28] <C-S-B> ActionParsnip: it runs ok, ive tested off usb
[11:28] <ActionParsnip> C-S-B: sure, you will simply install some updates (slowly) on release day and get the rc
[11:28] <C-S-B> ActionParsnip: mmm...that sounds good. i don't mind beta for 2 weeks or so
[11:29] <ActionParsnip> C-S-B: mines been great since alpha2
[11:29] <C-S-B> ActionParsnip: and there wont be any left overs from beta?
[11:29] <ActionParsnip> C-S-B: define leftovers
[11:30] <C-S-B> evidence/uncleanliness from where I'd updated from beta
[11:30] <ActionParsnip> C-S-B: if the same version of a package is in the beta as the rc then it wil not be updated. otherwise you will have the same system as a dude installing from CD for a clean instal
[11:30] <Dr_Willis> i always just do a clean reinstall/reformat about 2 weeks after release.  That way all beta cruft is gone and the stuff i tested is gone also. :)
[11:31] <Dr_Willis> I tend to install too much stuff to 'test' in beta. :)
[11:31] <C-S-B> ActionParsnip: i hate you ActionParsnip now I see no reason to wait for my reinstall. :(
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> C-S-B: if its working then why not. its your call dude
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: me too, bleeding edge xorg for one, ff3.7 alpha 64it flash
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: suprised it boots :)
[11:32] <C-S-B> so nothing changes in beta now, just updates and bugfixing
[11:32] <Dr_Willis> Been testing out HuluDesktop..it works... but has issues.
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> C-S-B: afaik, yes. Dr_Willismay know etter
[11:32] <C-S-B> ActionParsnip: i wont be left with old versions of stuffs.
[11:32] <aprilhare> grrr somethings wrong with network printing....
[11:33] <ActionParsnip> C-S-B: as long as the version you have is not a part of the beta already you will get all new stuff. You can't update something thats already up to date
[11:33] <C-S-B> C-S-B:
[11:33] <C-S-B> oops
[11:33] <C-S-B> hi C-S-B
[11:33] <C-S-B> :/
[11:34] <ActionParsnip> 3 hours later and sql is shrunkifed :(
[11:34] <Janis_> Hi all!
[11:35] <ActionParsnip> !hi | Janis_
[11:35] <C-S-B> ActionParsnip: the reason I ask is with beta, newer things like grub2 and the new boot up images werent implemented, would they have been implemented with updates?
[11:35] <C-S-B> *beta=alpha
[11:35] <Janis_> I am having some problems with pulseaudio on karmic. Before any sound plays I her some kind of click from speakers and laptop's mute led turns on for a moment
[11:36] <Janis_> *hear
[11:36] <ActionParsnip> C-S-B: not sure if upgrade jumps grub version. I did a clean install of the alpha
[11:37] <Janis_> and when I switch to tty1, 2, 3 etc. I see no terminal. Instead I get some random noise on screen.
[11:37] <C-S-B> ActionParsnip: thats the thing, i do want an install identical to rc when the updates come out, if you think installing now will result in that, im happy
[11:37] <Janis_> Everything else seems +- OK.
[11:37] <topyli> hmm can i still pretend on karmic that i have old-style init scripts?
[11:38] <Dr_Willis> topyli:  yes. for some serrvices
[11:38] <Dr_Willis> its best to learn to use the 'service' command for many cases however
[11:39] <topyli> yeah i might as well upgrade my brain, the world of init has moved ahead of me
[11:39] <topyli> looking for documentation now :)
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> C-S-B: yes you will have the beta til the rc, then when its released the updates will push you to rc
[11:41] <topyli> Dr_Willis, ummm, the service man page still talks about sysv init
[11:46] <aprilhare> ok. this issue is cups related. tried browsing http://aprilhare-x64-desktop.local:631/ and got "400 Bad Request"
[11:46] <aprilhare> on the linux machine this works ok
[11:47] <aprilhare> that is, if i specify localhost:631
[11:47] <aprilhare> not the zeroconf name.. hang on. this is zeroconf
[11:47] <aprilhare> grrrrr
[11:51] <acuster> hey all, karmic seems to add a checkmark to all my folders, which seems to be an annotation for ubuntu cloud storage service. Is there a way to get rid of them, they are a bit intrusive?
[11:52] <acuster> Jordan_U, thanks for the help last night, I did manage to disable desktop effects which helped me get further along.
[11:55] <wildweathel> acuster: latest update should fix it
[11:57] <sasalli> hello. i can't found menu.lst and can't changed under /boot/grub/ . so how can i edit boot list? thanks!
[11:58] <sasalli> on Ubuntu 9.10
[11:59] <aprilhare> yeah; thought so. something wrong with zeroconf in cups in karmic methinks
[12:00] <hakaishi> Hi folks, is there a way for a user to shutdown per terminal? (gnome-power-cmd is no longer there, as well as gdm-control)
[12:01] <L_X_> hi, there!
[12:01] <hakaishi> Hi^^
[12:01] <L_X_> can anyone help me about not being able to install linux-backports-modules-karmic?
[12:02] <wildweathel> Delopment = no backports, if I understand correctly.
[12:02] <wildweathel> You're already running the most dangerous version.
[12:02] <L_X_> it always returns the error "E: Broken packages"
[12:02] <L_X_> lol
[12:03] <hakaishi> really? I didn't encounter any problems with it... maybe you should wait a day if it's because of deps?
[12:03] <L_X_> it is about the ath9k bug with lots of reconnecting and phasing out of connection...
[12:03] <wildweathel> Oops, no that's a real package, my bad...
[12:04] <L_X_> the bug description on launchpad hints to install that package...
[12:04] <L_X_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/378156 (last entry)
[12:04] <aprilhare> if i'm running most dangerous ver why does 2.6.31 kernel not support my webcam then when 2.6.30 daily build did under jaunty?
[12:05] <wildweathel> Because I'm wrong.
[12:05] <L_X_> I like to be proved wrong if what I say is sad ;-)
[12:06] <L_X_> anyway, how to handle unmet dependencies?
[12:06] <wildweathel> I haven't used lbm before, but, looking at Synaptic,
[12:07] <aprilhare> wildweathel: well someone needs to be wrong occasionally :)
[12:07] <aprilhare> heh
[12:07] <L_X_> being wrong is the first step of learning
[12:08] <wildweathel> "Depends: linux-backports-modules-2.6.31-14-generic  but it is not installable"
[12:08] <hakaishi> if its about kernels and headers, I made the experience, that a few hours or a day later the dependencies were there
[12:08] <L_X_> ok, will try later then
[12:08] <wildweathel> I think the repositories are out of date.  Again, try a few hours later.
[12:08] <hakaishi> as I just said^^
[12:10] <hakaishi> Is there a way for a user to shutdown per terminal without using the command shutdown?
[12:10] <wildweathel> "sudo halt" ?
[12:10] <wildweathel> But,
[12:10] <hakaishi> and without using sudo?
[12:11] <wildweathel> Maybe, but I haven't found it.
[12:11] <Termana> The user could press the power button
[12:11] <hakaishi> as I said, I wont to shutdown per terminal
[12:11] <hakaishi> *want
[12:12] <wildweathel> And you can't use sudo?
[12:12] <wildweathel> Well,
[12:12] <wildweathel> I think there's probably some way using devicekit, but
[12:12] <Termana> you mean you want to shut down via terminal or do you literally mean "per terminal" as in thin client terminals?
[12:13] <hakaishi> Termana: I would enter sudo shutdown -P now, but I need a command that is useable for a user (without using sudo)
[12:15] <Termana> Without being too nosey - why do you want a normal user to issue a shutdown command via terminal?
[12:15] <hakaishi> It seems that gnome-power-cmd has been removed, so I wonder if there is a new way to use it...
[12:15] <hakaishi> Termana: I wrote a Program that needs it
[12:17] <wildweathel> Devkit can do it,
[12:17] <wildweathel> but I don't know exactly how.
[12:17] <hakaishi> wildweathel: Is that a package I need to install?
[12:18] <wildweathel> No, it's already part of the system.
[12:18] <wildweathel> It's what handles the power menu options
[12:18] <wildweathel> (and other things)
[12:20] <hakaishi> man devkit-power doesn't reveal much -.-
[12:20] <wildweathel> no, the docs don't seem to be too good.
[12:21] <wildweathel> From what I gather, it's a D-Bus service.
[12:21] <hakaishi> yes, I just read that too
[12:23] <wildweathel> https://log.logfish.net/node/63
[12:25] <wildweathel> http://hal.freedesktop.org/docs/DeviceKit-power/ << Looks like it can only suspend/hibernate, though.
[12:26] <hakaishi> okay, I'll try to search the internet once more -.-
[12:27] <wildweathel> It looks like ConsoleKit can do those.  At least until gnome/ubuntu replace it... http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/devkit-devel/2009-September/000443.html
[12:28] <wildweathel> http://www.freedesktop.org/software/ConsoleKit/doc/ConsoleKit.html#dbus-reference
[12:28] <jimlovell777> What's with the checkmarks on all of my folder icons? Does it signify anything or is it just the new look?
[12:29] <wildweathel> jimlovell777: That's a bug in ubuntuone-client that's been fixed.
[12:30] <jimlovell777> wildweathel: Ok just checking, thanks.
[12:35] <wildweathel> hakaishi: I'd like to make sure you get this link: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/devkit-devel/2009-September/000443.html
[12:36] <Dr_Willis> hakaishi:  you could 'suid' the shutdown command.. then any user could run it and shut down the system. (with out sudo)_ but that could be considered a security hole
[12:36] <wildweathel> hakaishi: oops, no, http://www.freedesktop.org/software/ConsoleKit/doc/ConsoleKit.html#dbus-reference
[12:42] <hakaishi> hmm... but how to use ConsoleKit???
[12:43] <Dr_Willis> use it to do what. :)
[12:43] <hakaishi> to shutdown the pc as a user (without sudo or such)
[12:44] <hakaishi> I guess, I'll just make shutdown useable for all users -.-
[12:45] <hakaishi> wildweathel: thank you for your help :-)
[12:45] <wildweathel> No need to thank; it was fun.
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> hakaishi:  set the suid bit on the shutdown command... then any user can run 'shutdown' :)
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> hakaishi:  but thats a old-skool way.
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> and considered a security risk to have lots of suid bit set apps about
[12:46] <hakaishi> Dr_Willis: I thought to customize sudoers
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> You can customiuze sudoers to allow it without a password. but the user would still have to do 'sudo shutdown'
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> now you COULD make an alias  'ShutDownNow'='sudo shutdown'  I guess :)
[12:47] <hakaishi> argh... thats right
[12:48] <Dr_Willis>   theres also the halt, and poweroff, and reset commands. :)
[12:48] <hakaishi> Dr_Willis: I know
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> make a user called 'shutdown' that has the default shell of 'sudo shutdown' :) then you can login as 'shutdown' and the system would start shutting down.
[12:48] <ltspadmin>  i dont have a pxe boot rom nic card so i want to boot the thin client machine from the hdd (only boot the machine from hdd )
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> Did that befor also.. years ago. :)
[12:50] <hakaishi> Dr_Willis: I wrote a Qt-Programm to shutdown on a certain time or after a certain number of minutes. It was fun^^ (but it still uses system("sudo shutdown -P now"); )
[12:50] <jbeitler>  three kernels in almost as many days.. this is getting exciting
[12:51] <Termana> You know your a geek when..... you wet your pants over kernel builds
[12:52] <ltspadmin> if i install lan driver on the server then it is automaticaly detecte the thin client end..
[12:53] <ActionParsnip> ltspadmin: installing the lan driver will make the device work like an NIC, get an ip via dhcp (well attempt)
[12:53] <nstar7> is 9.10 slightly faster in destkop than 9.04?
[12:53] <wildweathel> nstar7: maybe.  It depends. ;)
[12:54] <hakaishi> I'm off. Bye bye
[12:54] <ltspadmin> how can i find out the network driver is installed or notV ?
[12:54] <breezer890722> Help! wifi available in karmic beta. cannot light and connect to the net.
[12:55] <wildweathel> ltspadmin: I assume it doesn't connect to the net?  Try lsmod
[12:55] <wildweathel> ltspadmin: lsmod | less
[12:55] <wildweathel> ltspadmin: or
[12:56] <ltspadmin> ok
[12:56] <breezer890722> or what?
[12:56] <wildweathel> ltspadmin: ifconfig
[12:56] <ltspadmin> atually what happen...one of the my thin client machine can not boot through i-ball nic
[12:57] <ltspadmin> model no. is iB-LPA432E
[12:58] <nstar7> did the developers eliminate the lame and ugly GTK authorization dialog for asking password when you install packages from PackageKit?
[12:58] <wildweathel> ltspadmin: Hmm.  This problem's probably out of my league, now that I think about it.  Sorry.
[12:58] <wekt> how do you get a list of UUIDs?
[12:58] <ltspadmin> HUM..ITS OK..SIR
[12:58] <wekt> for filesystems?
[12:59] <ltspadmin> ANY ALTERNET OPETION IS THERE FOR BOOT THE SYSTEM WITHOU PXE BOOT ROM NIC
[12:59] <wekt> i don't understand, ltspadmin.
[13:00] <ltspadmin> i want a boot the thin client without pxe boot rom in ltsp ubuntu 9.10 64bit
[13:01] <wildweathel> So, you want to boot with HDD, right?
[13:02] <jbicha> try #ltsp
[13:04] <Dr_Willis> ltspadmin:   ive seen iso images, and floppy images and  flash images to boot  over the net.
[13:04] <ltspadmin> how...???
[13:04] <ltspadmin> can u plz..send the step..
[13:05] <wildweathel> ltspadmin:  Have you used LTSP before/
[13:05] <Dr_Willis> which step?
[13:05]  * Dr_Willis has never really worked with PXE stuff.. just looked at a few guides.
[13:05] <ltspadmin> yes
[13:06] <ltspadmin> but not in depth..
[13:06] <ltspadmin> before i used ubuntu 8.04
[13:06] <ltspadmin> at that time ..i have enough lan card with pxe boot rom..
[13:06] <wildweathel> ltspadmin: I'd recommend getting it working with Jaunty (9.04) before trying Karmic.  As jbicha said, #ltsp will probably be more helpful.
[13:07] <jbeitler> ok who is trying to PXE boot and with what/to what?
[13:07] <acuster> wildweathel, thanks, will try
[13:07] <ltspadmin> can u help me in karmic..
[13:09] <wildweathel> ltspadmin: Karmic isn't supported yet.  It's available for testing, but if you're still learning LTSP, you should do that on a stable release.  Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPBootingClientsWithoutPxe https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP and the #ltsp channel (but, they won't want to help with Karmic, either).
[13:10] <ltspadmin> ok..
[13:10] <ltspadmin> atualy i have 32 gb ram..
[13:10] <ltspadmin> of dell server
[13:12] <ltspadmin> no i install jaunty..
[13:12] <ltspadmin> ltsp server (9.10)
[13:13] <wildweathel> ltspadmin: Good luck. :)
[13:13] <ltspadmin> 9.10 is  karmic...????
[13:13] <aprilhare> ltspadmin: very perceptic
[13:13] <aprilhare> ltspadmin: very perceptive even
[13:14] <nocturn_> Anyone know what this buzzing sound in recent karmic builds is, it seems to be there when the system bell goes off...
[13:14] <nocturn_> I find no options in pulseaudio to disable system bell or set it to visual like I used too
[13:15] <Dr_Willis> Theres an annoyance in pulse where the sound turns off/on and makes a little 'noise' as your sound card reinitlizes or somthing...
[13:16] <Dr_Willis> you notice it with the bell. because itdoes it right be for the bell is supposed to beep I think
[13:16] <wildweathel> nocturn_: There's a crackle on some machines that's related to power management.  And I've heard about, but not experienced an issue where the pc speaker is used as the system bell.
[13:16] <Dr_Willis> and it only seems to do it - after the system is quiet for a long time (a few min)
[13:16] <hakaishi> Hi, I have a question about grub2. How do I hide the menu window for a few seconds?
[13:16] <nocturn_> not here
[13:16] <nocturn_> it does it every time
[13:17] <nocturn_> There's no beep and pcspkr is not even loaded
[13:17] <wildweathel> nocturn_: Well, how do you make it buzz?
[13:18] <nocturn_> wildweathel, anything that sounds the system bell, like hitting backspace in xchat with no characters left to delete of tabbing in a terminal when there are no completions
[13:18] <wildweathel> Does it come from the audio speakers?
[13:19] <nocturn_> wildweathel, I can't tell
[13:19] <nocturn_> I guess so
[13:19] <wildweathel> PC or laptop?
[13:19] <nocturn_> Laptop, a Dell precision M4400
[13:19] <wildweathel> Can you plug in some headphones?
[13:20] <nocturn_> it outputs sound with sound muted though
[13:20] <wildweathel> It sounds like it's the "pc" speaker then (it's soldered onto the motherboard).
[13:21] <nocturn_> Probably
[13:21] <nocturn_> before karmic, I could just blacklist pcspkr to disable that
[13:21] <hakaishi> I know, I have to customize the /etc/default/grub... Currently I have the options: GRUB_HIDDENTIMEOUT=3  and GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=false and GRUB_TIMEOUT=0. What am I doing wrong?
[13:22] <wildweathel> nocturn_: for whatever reason, that doesn't seem to be fixing it anymore.  It doesn't affect me, so I don't really know.
[13:22] <joaopinto> nocturn_, try: xset b off
[13:22] <joaopinto> I have the beep disable problem since jaunty
[13:22] <Dr_Willis> hakaishi:  dont forget to rereun update grub after alterting the configs
[13:22] <joaopinto> added the set bell off to my bash_rc
[13:23] <Dr_Willis> blacklist the pcspkr module also?
[13:23] <Dr_Willis> !beep
[13:23] <joaopinto> Dr_Willis, that doesn't work for our case
[13:23] <Dr_Willis> take a wirecutter to the speaker wires. :)
[13:23] <Dr_Willis> old-skool
[13:23] <wildweathel> nocturn_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1289536&highlight=pc+speaker+system+beep
[13:24] <hakaishi> Dr_Willis: I did that, but the grub just opens the menu... maybe I should try once more (I did this yesterday).
[13:24] <Dr_Willis> Why do you want it to hide for 3 seconds then show up?
[13:25] <hakaishi> Dr_Willis: no it didn't
[13:25] <hakaishi> ups
[13:26] <hakaishi> Dr_Willis:  no, I'd like it to hide for 3 seconds and then boot the default
[13:26] <dooglus> can someone help please?  when I plug in a USB mass storage, device, it used to use what I wanted to do with it.  then I checked 'don't ask again', and now it doesn't work.  how can I undo that 'don't ask again' setting?
[13:26] <Dr_Willis> you set the hidden timeout to ne 3 then i thought
[13:26] <nocturn_> thanks wildweathel, I muted the speaker in ALSA
[13:26] <Dr_Willis> grub timeout is for when its not hidden
[13:26] <Dr_Willis> I think.....
[13:27] <wildweathel> dooglus: Open a folder, then Edit -> Preferences -> Media
[13:27] <dooglus> wildweathel: thanks so much
[13:27] <hakaishi> Dr_Willis: I also tried to place a # before grub_timeaout
[13:28] <Dr_Willis> if #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[13:28] <Dr_Willis> then it shows the menu..
[13:28] <dooglus> wildweathel: I've wanted to know that for over a year :)
[13:28] <Dr_Willis> if thats set to some # (and uncommented) it  hides/waits  then goes to the default.. I thought
[13:29] <Dr_Willis> if its not hidden. then it uses the GRUB_TIMEOUT instead (i think)
[13:30] <hakaishi> Dr_Willis: Okay, I'll just try again... I'll be back
[13:32] <nstar7> is it normal that the system becomes rather unsusable when running a karmic-upgrade and it installs the packages?
[13:32] <nstar7> it responds very slowly
[13:33] <void^_> slow in what way, starting applications etc. may be slow due to heavy disk io
[13:33] <nstar7> yep.. starting applications
[13:34] <nstar7> im using IDE hdds ..
[13:34] <nstar7> and 1gb of ram and a athlong64 3800+ single core
[13:34] <dooglus> oh, something else I wanted to know: I installed 2 different versions of ubuntu on 2 different root partitions, but no separate /boot partition, so I don't see all kernels versions of both of them.  can I now make a shared /boot partition?
[13:34] <nstar7> running amarok, karmic-upgrade, quassel irc and konqueror
[13:35] <nstar7> and kopete
[13:35] <Dr_Willis> egads... its a wonder the system dosent explode-anate!
[13:35] <Dr_Willis> :)
[13:35] <jan____> http://twitter.com/padraicb/status/4860593258
[13:35] <Dr_Willis> upgrades do use a lot of resources
[13:36] <void^_> you'll probably have little cache memory, so a larger update will remove any apps and libs from the cache and require reloading when at the same time the disk is very busy. difficult scenario
[13:36] <yoritomo> nstar7 i experience many slow attitudes as well on karmic, firstly grub, then web browsers , updates ...
[13:36] <Dr_Willis> dooglus:  id keep the /boots/ seperate  - grub2 is supposed to be able to see the other OS's  and add them to the grub2 menus
[13:36] <yoritomo> looks like a kernell problem finally
[13:37] <joaopinto> what is the benefit of having a dedicated /boot theses days ?
[13:37] <joaopinto> except for lvm
[13:37] <Dr_Willis> joaopinto:   I keep a copy of a few Mini Linux disrtos on mine. for reasier rescue/restore :)
[13:38] <Dr_Willis> but i dont mess with /boot/ on its own parittion much any more
[13:38] <dooglus> Dr_Willis: I installed 64 bit ubuntu on sda1 first, then 32 bit on sda3.  a few days ago I upgraded the 64 bit one, it installed a new kernel, but when I rebooted, the new 64 bit kernel wasn't on the grub menu.  it seems that I need to run grub-update or some such on the 32 bit partition before the menu is updated
[13:38] <yoritomo> nstar7 how is the time for pages to load on firefox under karmic ?
[13:38] <Dr_Willis> dooglus:   You really need to either chainload the grubs.. or pick one OS to handle grub and boot os's
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> dooglus:   I dont see much need to use 64bit and 32bit. Im all 64bit now on all my box's
[13:39] <nstar7> btw i didnt mention im on wubi :D
[13:39] <nstar7> with my install
[13:39]  * Dr_Willis scoffs on wubi
[13:39] <dooglus> Dr_Willis: I would use 64 bit if the wireless driver would work and I could get the buttons on flash apps to work
[13:39] <dooglus> Dr_Willis: maybe a broken youtube isn't a deal killer, but not being able to get online is
[13:40]  * Dr_Willis runs wires
[13:40] <Dr_Willis> :)
[13:40] <dooglus> Dr_Willis: it's a shame, because in 32 bit I can only see 2.9GB of RAM, wasting the other 1GB or so
[13:41] <yoritomo> wubi?? what is it ? a kind of virtual machine?
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. i dont recall havbing any flash issues here on my 64bit setup.
[13:41] <dooglus> yoritomo: it's a way of running ubuntu from a windows partition without booting windowx
[13:41] <joaopinto> dooglus, with a PAE kernel you should see the entire RAM, event with 32 bits
[13:41] <dooglus> windows*
[13:41] <dooglus> joaopinto: PAE?
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> dooglus:  if you mwan run a 'wubi' install in virtualbox.. that might not be doable
[13:42] <dooglus> Dr_Willis: nstar7 is using wubi, not me.  I tried it once though, and it was better than I expected
[13:42] <joaopinto> dooglus, it's a feature that enables to use a larger addressing space, even using 32 bits
[13:42] <Dr_Willis> ok., i missread the question. :)
[13:43]  * Dr_Willis reccomdnes using Virutalbox instead of Wubi
[13:43] <joaopinto> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension :P
[13:43] <dooglus> nstar7: I think disk access was pretty slow in my wubi install too
[13:43] <yoritomo> yes slowness is looking like the main caractéristique on karmic untill now :(
[13:43] <moonflux> is ubuntu-bug known to be broken on kubuntu?
[13:43]  * Dr_Willis finds karmaic quite a bit faster
[13:43] <joaopinto> yoritomo, please be more precise, you mean for you, not in general :)
[13:43] <dooglus> joaopinto: thanks.  is there a package for that?
[13:43] <nstar7> yea disk acces may be sucky, especially if the ntfs partition needs defragmentation
[13:43] <joaopinto> dooglus, the -server kernel package was compiled with AE, i think it was renamed on karmic
[13:44] <wildweathel> moonflux: I think I heard something about that.
[13:44]  * wildweathel checks Launchpad, cuz he's bored.
[13:44] <moonflux> can't find anything there
[13:44] <moonflux> ah, got it
[13:44] <yoritomo> joaopinto, untill now nobody could find a solution to my slowness problem, then looks like difficult, if i may give some logs tell me, the most annoying are web browsers
[13:45] <moonflux> hm, nope, bug 450851 is the wrong one
[13:45] <dooglus> !info linux-image-2.6.31-14-generic-pae
[13:45] <joaopinto> dooglus, good hit :P
[13:46] <dooglus> I got lucky
[13:46] <joaopinto> I am on amd64 so I couldn't find it on apt search :P
[13:46] <dooglus> joaopinto: it is only available for all architectures... ;)
[13:47] <dooglus> will it work with ndiswrapper?
[13:47] <wildweathel> maybe :p
[13:47] <joaopinto> dooglus, no idea, but the PAE should not interfere with that
[13:47] <dooglus> do I need any other packages?  it has no unmet dependencies for me, but do I need new modules, etc?
[13:48] <joaopinto> no idea
[13:48] <joaopinto> I guess not
[13:48] <joaopinto> since it's the same version, just with a different option enabled
[13:50] <dooglus> currently, free tells me: "Mem:       3057856" when I really have 4GB.  I shall reboot into the PAE kernel and see if it's better...
[13:50] <dooglus> thanks for your help, all
[13:50] <wildweathel> Good luck.
[13:51] <joaopinto> dooglus, please note that it could be a chipset limitation, I have 4GBs, 64 bits, but free reports 3.2
[13:51] <yoritomo> i will create a bug ticket for the web browser slowness
[13:51] <yoritomo> see you later
[13:52] <yoritomo> that is not related to firefox or anything, because i tryed some browsers still same
[13:52] <joaopinto> yoritomo, how have you determined it's browser related and not internet in general, have you tried other operations like downloading something with wget ?
[13:52] <yoritomo> on a AMD64 XP3200 that is not normal at all
[13:53] <yoritomo> yes, chat working find and email loading fast too
[13:53] <dooglus> joaopinto: now: "Mem:       4079272".  thanks again.
[13:53] <joaopinto> dooglus, great :)
[13:53] <wildweathel> yoritomo: those are both things that don't use very much bandwidth.
[13:54] <yoritomo> which tests can i make to move a bit ?
[13:54] <dooglus> joaopinto: I knew I could see all 4GB in the 64 bit ubuntu
[13:54] <wildweathel> Maybe you could try browsing a local set of html files?  To be sure it's not a connection issue.
[13:54] <dbugger> Hey guys, can someone tlel me how to install grnotify in karmic?
[13:54] <joaopinto> yoritomo, please download a iso with wget, and check if the download rate meets something expected for your internet speed
[13:54] <yoritomo> downloading iso image at 450kb/sec
[13:54] <dooglus> yoritomo: I didn't see your issue re. browser slowness,
[13:54] <yoritomo> yes very correct
[13:54] <dooglus> but may have seen the same.  if you make the browser window tiny, does it improve?
[13:55] <joaopinto> yoritomo, when you mention "slow", slow in which operations ? scrolling or other graphical intesntive operations ?
[13:57] <wildweathel> dbugger: Currently grnotify doesn't work because python-xml isn't part of Karmic.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grnotify/+bug/413816
[13:58] <dbugger> no workaround? :(
[13:58] <moonflux> wildweathel: in case anybody asks again: I reported bug 451247 about the kubuntu ubuntu-bug stuff :)
[13:58] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:59] <lodder> What is the kernel-image version of ubuntu server karmic?
[14:00] <wildweathel> moonflux:  Thanks.  Actually, that was a different problem than what I heard about last night.  Apparently, it's not a good time for kubuntu...
[14:01] <moonflux> wildweathel: yeah, the Help->Report Bug menu item is also still not working (since Jaunty) *sigh*
[14:01] <moonflux> but karmic definitely feels snappier
[14:01] <yoritomo> joaopinto, slow on loading pages 12 sec for google
[14:02] <wildweathel> yoritomo, try "w3m google.com" in a terminal.  Faster?
[14:02] <Like> hi i need too install virtualbox too see tv that's for my tv card usb does recognized by linux kernel
[14:03] <Solar_Flare> Ah.
[14:03] <Solar_Flare> hi
[14:03] <Like> alpha6
[14:03] <Solar_Flare> Anyone using Karmic Koala right now`
[14:03] <wildweathel> Like: Hi, are you new to Ubuntu?
[14:03] <Like> no mi amigo
[14:03] <wildweathel> And, you've had it working before in Jaunty?
[14:03] <dbugger> hola Like :D
[14:03] <Like> im under ubuntu maeby 6.10?
[14:04] <Like> hi dbugger
[14:04] <Like> any one help me too install virtualbox ?
[14:04] <wildweathel> Ah, cool, you're older than I am in linux years... So, what you're trying to do is run windows in virtualbox, right?
[14:04] <Solar_Flare> @Like which one?
[14:04] <Like> the best
[14:04] <Like> i dont know how is work...
[14:05] <Solar_Flare> @Open Source Edition or the Sun Personal Edition
[14:05] <Like> i nedd usb
[14:05] <Like> for see tv shows
[14:05] <Solar_Flare> Like: Use the Personal Edition
[14:05] <Like> how i can install this
[14:06] <Solar_Flare> Like: Which linux are you using?
[14:06] <Like> 9.10 alpha 6
[14:06] <Solar_Flare> Like: I don't think theres a VBox edition for KK now.
[14:07] <yoritomo> wildweathel 20 sec
[14:07] <Like> another form too emulate xp or vista ?
[14:07] <Solar_Flare> ok
[14:08] <Like> with usb suport :P
[14:08] <Solar_Flare> Like, add download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian karmic
[14:08] <Solar_Flare> to your repository
[14:08] <wildweathel> yoritomo: in w3m?  Sounds like a connection issue then.
[14:08] <Like> tired me a link mf
[14:08] <Like> ppa pls
[14:09] <Solar_Flare> open the repository manager and add it by hand.
[14:09] <yoritomo> wildweathel  20sec w3m , 12sec firefox , 10 sec arora,  and downloading iso ubuntu at 450kb/sec
[14:09] <jbicha> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads
[14:09] <Solar_Flare> jbicha: thx
[14:10] <wildweathel> yoritomo: that's really weird.  w3m should be fastest.  Did you test them all on the same page in that order (w3m first)?
[14:10] <Like> Solar_Flare,  in a repositories ?
[14:11] <rockrat> hello
[14:11] <wildweathel> Like: please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Repositories/Ubuntu?action=show&redirect=AddingRepositoriesHowto
[14:12] <rockrat> installation of screenlets and compizconfi-settings-manager was closed unintentionaly, and now i can't remove or re-install both
[14:13] <Like> i know is deb download.virtualbox.org/ etc .. rigth ?
[14:13] <rockrat> tried to reinstall but it ain't working
[14:13] <Pici> !en
[14:13] <yoritomo> wildweathel yes on google main page
[14:13] <Like> Solar_Flare,
[14:14] <Solar_Flare> Like: what?
[14:14] <yoritomo> wildweathel under jaunty it was very fast
[14:14] <Like> is deb download.virtualbox.org .bla bla bla in apt
[14:14] <wildweathel> yoritomo: I'm going to try to find a downloadable web book for you, so you can try browsing HTML offline.
[14:15] <rockrat> please check this link for errors >> http://paste-bin.com/view/720b702d
[14:15] <yoritomo> wildweathel ok, what does it contains ? checking procedure for networking ?
[14:16] <MCROnline> I wonder if anybody else is having an issue with pan crashing out after you click post when composing or replying to a message?
[14:16] <Kristinn> I just installed Kubuntu off of Ubuntu 9.10, and I rebooted, now it asks me for a password to log in, and my ubuntu account doesn't work for it :S
[14:17] <MCROnline> Kristinn: did you just add KDE or did you wipe/install Kubuntu?
[14:17] <wildweathel> yoritomo, no just a copy of ESR's jargon file (actually several html files) wget http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/jargon-4.4.7.tar.gz and extract it.
[14:17] <Kristinn> Added KDE, through "Kubuntu-desktop" in the Synaptic package manager
[14:17] <Solar_Flare> Sry, changed my Client.
[14:18] <MCROnline> kristinn: and when it comes to logging in can you see KDE and Gnome in the login section?
[14:18] <Kristinn> I can pick from things like "KDE, and GNOME"
[14:18] <yoritomo> how may i use it ?
[14:18] <Kristinn> But everything requires log ins :(
[14:19] <MCROnline> kristinn: and when you pick Gnome and click your username it doesn't accept your password?
[14:19] <wildweathel> yoritomo, it doesn't matter what's inside (its a dictionary, actually).  I just want to see if firefox is slow browsing a website that's saved to your computer
[14:19] <yoritomo> wildweathel it is like that since i installed karmic
[14:19] <Kristinn> IT doesnt
[14:19] <Kristinn> It doesn't do anything, except clear out the text boxes
[14:19] <thiebaude> Kristinn, did you create a username and password when you installed ubuntu?
[14:19] <yoritomo> wildweathel ha ok i understand now
[14:19] <Kristinn> I did
[14:19] <thiebaude> ok
[14:20] <MCROnline> Kristinn: But you can log into KDE?
[14:20] <xenfan> will karmic boot as a domU on hardy?  getting "mountall:/proc: unable to mount: Device or resource busy"
[14:20] <Kristinn> I can't log in to anything :(
[14:20] <MCROnline> Kristinn: Stupid question, but you checked to see if caps lock is on?
[14:21] <Kristinn> Not a stupid question at all, but unfortunately, I have.
[14:21] <MCROnline> Kristinn: Is there an option to log into xterm at all?
[14:21] <Kristinn> There is
[14:21] <yoritomo> Kristinn check if it is not a keymap problem
[14:22] <yoritomo> azerty qwerty ...
[14:22] <Kristinn> Nothing wrong with those :(
[14:22] <MCROnline> Kristinn: can you try logging in with xterm.. maybe not
[14:22] <Kristinn> And I have an option of logging into xterm, but it's the same as with all the others.
[14:22] <MCROnline> Kristinn: ok
[14:23] <rockrat> dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute installed pre-removal script: Exec format error
[14:23] <wildweathel> kristinn: can you log into a text terminal (ctl+alt+f1)?
[14:23] <yoritomo> or simply you mistaked when seize password on installation, by cap lock or by a ctrl instead of shift ...
[14:24] <Solar_Flare> Kristinn: Activate the CapsLocj and try it again. Maybe you had it on, while creating your account.
[14:24] <Kristinn> I can access a text terminal, yes, but that asks me for a log in
[14:24] <Solar_Flare> And if you're using a laptop and have no numpad, try the Fn Key.
[14:25] <MCROnline> Kirstinn: what does it say when you enter your username and password?
[14:25] <MCROnline> at the xterm session?
[14:25] <Kristinn> Well, it says "KFJ Login:" What do I type there?
[14:25] <yoritomo> wildweathel, did you find that ebook?
[14:25] <Kristinn> And it doesn't say anything at all.
[14:26] <yoritomo> KFj is your username, type the nickname
[14:26] <MCROnline> Kirstin: On Login: you type your username, then it will say Password: and you type that
[14:26] <yoritomo> the one you used on intallation
[14:26] <Kristinn> Well, my username is KFJ
[14:26] <Kristinn> That doesn't do anything except get me a "Login incorrect"
[14:27] <Kristinn> wait
[14:27] <Kristinn> I got it, turns out I was using caps on the log in :)
[14:27] <Kristinn> In the text terminal
[14:27] <Like> five percent & installing xD
[14:28] <yoritomo> Kristinn working now?
[14:28] <xenfan> anyone tried karmic domU on a hardy dom0 in xen?
[14:28] <Solar_Flare> cu  guys
[14:28] <Kristinn> Well, I get a "kfj@KFJ:$"
[14:28] <Kristinn> Which is the command prompt, I think
[14:29] <Like> <3
[14:29] <wildweathel> yoritomo: Yes.  Did you not get the link? http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/jargon-4.4.7.tar.gz
[14:30] <yoritomo> wildweathel in the help of ubuntu, the first option about internet connection drives to an error message as unavailable
[14:30] <jbeitler> so vmware is still no go.. or has anyone had success?
[14:30] <Kristinn> Ah, I managed to set a new password
[14:30] <Kristinn> How do I exit the text terminal?
[14:30] <jbeitler> Kristinn: type exit
[14:31] <jbeitler> or Ctrl+d Kristinn
[14:31] <Kristinn> Ah, let's see if this works :)
[14:32] <Kristinn> It works! :D
[14:33] <Kristinn> Many thanks for your help :)
[14:33] <jbeitler> Kristinn: what did you install? I came in at the end
[14:33] <Kristinn> Kubuntu-desktop
[14:33] <jbeitler> ahh
[14:33] <yoritomo> wildweathel pages opening instantly
[14:34] <lodder> What is the kernel-image version of ubuntu server karmic?
[14:34] <wildweathel> yoritomo: then it's not a problem with the browser but with networking somewhere.
[14:34] <joaopinto> lodder, check packages.ubuntu.com
[14:34] <jbeitler> lodder: i believe its 2.6.31.14
[14:34] <yoritomo> wildweathel yes now it is sure
[14:35] <yoritomo> wildweathel is it any diagnostic utility ?
[14:35] <wildweathel> yoritomo, what's your setup (ISP, routers, wifi/vs ethernet)?
[14:35] <wildweathel> I'm not a networking expert, but I'll do what I can.
[14:35] <yoritomo> i am connected by cable to a rooter belkin, it is a lan by tv cable
[14:35] <Kristinn> Now, If I decide to not like Kubuntu, how do I rid myself of it, and go back to normal ubuntu?
[14:36] <FFEMTcJ> Any idea why my update manager says the info was last updated 7 days ago even though I just updated and upgraded everything?
[14:36] <lodder> jbeitler: I just checked and for me it's still 2.6.28-15 and i use the kernel-image-server, it doens't update but i'm using i386
[14:36] <yoritomo> thanks a lot for your help you are the first one to don't ignore my request :)
[14:36] <wildweathel> yoritomo, do you have other stuff running?  Other computers, games?
[14:36] <xenfan> lodder = phillippe delodder?
[14:36] <wildweathel> Bittorrent?
[14:37] <yoritomo> no, now my system is particularily unloaded, except empathy
[14:37] <yoritomo> but even without it still same
[14:38] <Kristinn> Well, Kubuntu doesn't run too good on my laptop, how do I uninstall it, so I can go back to normal ubuntu 9.10?
[14:38] <wildweathel> wildweathel: 'kay, try ping google.com -c 10
[14:38] <Like> hey boys karmic koala have gnome live ?
[14:39] <thiebaude> Like, Oct 29
[14:39] <Like> yeahhh !!!!!!
[14:39] <thiebaude> yep
[14:39] <Like> HIYAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[14:40] <Kristinn> I'm getting swamped by kernel errors :(
[14:42] <Like> hey here a Q
[14:42] <JanC> Kristinn: install the 'ubuntu-desktop' package
[14:42] <yoritomo> wildweathel http://pastebin.com/d22f3885a
[14:43] <wildweathel> yoritomo: I was hoping to find the problem there, but that's better than mine.
[14:44] <xenfan> karmic rocks on my desktop but is going to ruin my life if I can't boot it in a domU over hardy
[14:44] <yoritomo> really? of course not coming from the connection because under XP it is fast like  a Boeing :)
[14:45] <wildweathel> yoritomo: Man, this is kinda frustrating....  Anyone else have ideas about slow firefox performance when accessing Internet pages?
[14:46] <yoritomo> firefox, arora , konqueror, and other, all the same
[14:46] <yoritomo> looks like a packet in networking is broken
[14:46] <wildweathel> But, wget is still fast, right?
[14:46] <yoritomo> not related to a dns problem?
[14:47] <wildweathel> Could be, actually.
[14:47] <yoritomo> yes
[14:47] <wildweathel> dig google.com
[14:47] <wildweathel> what's the "query time"
[14:48] <wildweathel> (not real hopeful, since that would slow down WinXP, too)
[14:48] <lodder> xenfan: yes why
[14:49] <xenfan> You mentioned domU support for karmic on twitter  a while back
[14:49] <yoritomo> wildweathel http://pastebin.com/d6d31664e
[14:49] <xenfan> was wondering what ever happened to it
[14:49] <lodder> xenfan: it's possible
[14:49] <lodder> xenfan: I'm not that much on twitter any more don't have much time
[14:50] <xenfan> ah, I'm trying to get a domU I upgraded to karmic to boot, but I'm getting errors in mountall
[14:50] <xenfan> same place you tweeted :P
[14:50] <wildweathel> yoritomo: your router is answering DNS requests.  So, you're faster than my connection again.  Try looking at firefox edit -> preferences -> advanced ->network -> settings
[14:51] <wildweathel> and it probably says "no proxy"
[14:51] <lodder> xenfan: i had no issues @ all running karmic as a domU, I was running it on a debian dom0
[14:51] <xenfan> remember what kernel?
[14:52] <lodder> xenfan: but I used pygrub to bootload it but I used grub1 instead of the new one
[14:52] <xenfan> interesting
[14:52] <xenfan> at scripts/init-bottom I get mountall:/proc: unable to mount: Device or resource busy
[14:52] <lodder> maby that can help you
[14:53] <yoritomo> wildweathel "use system's proxy settings is enabled , and every other things are greyes
[14:53] <wildweathel> yoritomo:  well, that's a possible problem...  I'm trying to remember how to change system proxy settings.
[14:54] <yoritomo> i tryed to use define proxy automatically but not changing anything
[14:54] <wildweathel> system -> preferences -> network proxy
[14:54] <yoritomo> can you check what you have please ?
[14:55] <wildweathel> my firefox is set to use no proxy.  Also, there's no proxy set up in the GNOME applet I just mentioned.
[14:55] <lodder> xenfan: about those things I don't know that much
[14:58] <yoritomo> direct connection to internet
[14:58] <lodder> xenfan: I even stopped using xen until version 3.5 and the kernel merge is complete
[14:59] <yoritomo> wildweathel i am trying something, i will disable auto and define a manual ip and dns
[14:59] <wildweathel> yoritomo, 64 bit or 32?
[14:59] <yoritomo> 64 bits
[15:00] <wildweathel> Don't do that yet.
[15:00] <wildweathel> See this thread, maybe it'll help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1272161&highlight=slow+web+browsing
[15:00] <lodder> xenfan: for the pygrub info: http://www.delodder.be/blog/howto/making-use-of-pygrub-in-lenny-dom0-and-hardy-domu/
[15:01] <xenfan> thx, lodder
[15:01] <lodder> xenfan: no problem
[15:04] <peppo> is it possible to install epiphany-gecko somehow? -webkit is a nightmare
[15:06] <Kristinn> Eh, I uninstalled every package related to kubuntu, but it's still there, somehow!
[15:07] <ubox> that is strange, you don't like kubuntu?
[15:07] <Kristinn> I do, I do! But my Laptop can't handle it :(
[15:08] <ubox> really? what are the specs on your laptop?
[15:08] <Kristinn> 320 mb of RAM, and such.
[15:08] <Kristinn> It's 10 years old
[15:08] <Kristinn> But normal Ubuntu works fine
[15:09] <ubox> lol oh i see, i just bought a new used one actually, i was using a g4 mac laptop previously
[15:09] <wildweathel> yoritomo, it looks like this might be an IPv6 issue.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/436815
[15:09] <Kristinn> So, how do I chuck out Kubuntu?
[15:09] <thiebaude> Kristinn, when i uninstalled kubuntu, in synaptic i had to delete packagaes one by one
[15:10] <Kristinn> I did do that
[15:10] <Pici> !puregnome
[15:11] <thiebaude> thanks pici
[15:12] <wildweathel> yoritomo, are you still here?
[15:12] <rockrat> managed to remove compizconfig-settings-manager, but now when i re-install, it doesn't launch.
[15:12] <Kristinn> Thanks a lot, everyone! :D
[15:18] <eagles0513875> nice to see the ladies getting on board of the open source distros :)
[15:18] <marko-_-> hello, i have a problem when installing ubuntu 9.10 and restarting it, it won't boot... once i got a message to press any button to continiue and nothing happened and the other 10 times my screen started blinking (like x couldn't start) but it was making it endless
[15:18] <Kristinn> Where can I get more backgrounds and themes for Ubuntu?
[15:18] <yoritomo> wildweathel sorry rebooted
[15:19] <tech404> Kristinn: there are a lot of places.... this one is not bad for linux stuff http://www.box-look.org/
[15:19] <marko-_-> hello, i have a problem when installing ubuntu 9.10 and restarting it, it won't boot... once i got a message to press any button to continiue and nothing happened and the other 10 times my screen started blinking (like x couldn't start) but it was making it endless
[15:20] <tech404> marko-_-: did you read the topic for today?
[15:20] <marko-_-> yes i did
[15:20] <Pici> tech404: Thats for openbox.  Kristinn for gnome you can use http://www.gnome-look.org
[15:22] <Kristinn> Ah, thanks again :D
[15:22] <tech404> marko-_-: have you tried taking quiet out of your grub line to see where it is stopping?
[15:22] <marko-_-> i can't type or anything when it want's to boot or something
[15:22] <marko-_-> or what do you mean?
[15:25] <zanshin> I'm testing karmic and having problems with my wifi. dmesg gives me and Invalid RF chipset detected error. Is this a firmware or a driver problem?
[15:25] <mersault> Hello. Is anyone aware of anyone maintaining/building more up to date Xen packages? 3.4.1 or later?
[15:25] <zanshin> It's the rt61pci driver
[15:27] <tech404> marko-_-: so if you used the default settings when you installed it used grub2 as the boot loader.... you can hold shift at the beginning of boot to bring up a little menu. the top option will be your default. you can then press 'e' to edit that option. in the kernel line it should say 'splash' and 'quiet' as well as some other things. remove those two works by moving your cursor and using the backspace button, then hold <ctrl> and press 'x' to bo
[15:27] <wildweathel> yoritomo: sorry, was watching anime.  Back. Can you check system -> preferences -> network connections?
[15:28] <marko-_-> wow tech404 ok
[15:28] <ubox> marko-_- there is a way to get into a terminal, i can't remember the comination of keys. something like ctrl+alt+f2 or f12 maybe
[15:29] <yoritomo> wildweathel anyway i need to block my ip on 192.168.2.4 then i need to pass on manual, sear domain what should i put in the gui under dns ?
[15:30] <wildweathel> I don't think you need to manually configure everything.
[15:30] <wildweathel> You might, but first check the 'IPv6 Settings' tab.
[15:30] <wildweathel> "Method" should be "ignore"
[15:31] <yoritomo> other wise i will get problem again with the forwarded ports on the router if my wife connect again to it
[15:31] <tzanger> good morning
[15:31] <ubox> ct529, maybe try --download-only ?
[15:31] <yoritomo> ipv6 disabled
[15:31] <tzanger> is anyone else noticing kopete crashing every few hours?
[15:31] <tzanger> just started last night
[15:32] <ubox> tzanger, i had kopete crash closed on me once, i left my mouse pointer over the window edge for a few seconds and it died. i don't know why but that was the only time
[15:32] <tzanger> ubox: hmm
[15:32] <tzanger> it usually crashes when I'm not watching, makes it difficult to pin down :-)
[15:33] <tzanger> and apport didn't come up this last crash
[15:33] <wildweathel> !opendns
[15:33] <wildweathel> The easiest way to set up DNS is probably to use that.
[15:33] <edgy> Hi, ctrl+alt+f1 gives some colors instead of the virtual console!!1
[15:34] <nemo> edgy: ah. yeah. that happened to me the other day :(
[15:34] <ubox> edgy, try f5
[15:34] <nemo> X just kind of blew up, and when I did ctrl-alt-f1 I got scrunched up colours that looked like they might be a tiny screwed up console
[15:34] <ubox> mine, 1-4 is funny colors
[15:34] <nemo> edgy: so I just ssh'd in and rebooted it
[15:35] <nemo> I'm using fglrx fwiw
[15:35] <edgy> nemo,ubox: f5 still same problem, any bug reported?
[15:35] <ubox> not sure
[15:35] <nemo> edgy: hm. I see my console is *still* screwed up :-/
[15:35] <nemo> I just hadn't thought to check
[15:36] <shadeslayer> how many updates do you guys get in a typical week?
[15:36] <Ana-Maria> Hi all
[15:37] <shadeslayer> Ana-Maria: hi
[15:37] <Ana-Maria> After my update of ubuntu 9.10 beta my grub crashed now i cant reboot whats the best way to restore boot sektor?
[15:37] <shadeslayer> Ana-Maria: just use a live cd and run grub-install
[15:37] <shadeslayer> !grub > Ana-Maria
[15:38] <shadeslayer> Ana-Maria: follow the instructions given for restoring grub after installing windows
[15:38] <evanpro> Hi folks
[15:38] <dphase> can the pop notifications be configured, ie, font size, position, etc?
[15:38] <shadeslayer> evanpro: hey
[15:38] <dphase> s/pop/popup
[15:38] <shadeslayer> dphase: for gnome?
[15:38] <dphase> yep
[15:39] <shadeslayer> dphase: nope
[15:39] <dphase> :/
[15:39] <dphase> nothing in gconf even?
[15:39] <evanpro> I have karmic installed. apt-get update & upgrade yesterday afternoon, rebooted last night and bootup started an fsck. Get a "clean" message, no other output, but doesn't continue (even after waiting 4-5 hours).
[15:39] <wildweathel> yoritomo: is it working?
[15:40] <peppo> is it possible to install epiphany-gecko somehow? -webkit is a nightmare
[15:40] <shadeslayer> dphase: file a bug against them ( or a wishlist ),or propose something on brainstorm,or comment on the infinite no. of bugs against it launchpad :P
[15:40] <Ana-Maria> thx
[15:40] <evanpro> I've booted into a recovery USB key, fsck'd the hard disk again, and still get stuck right after the fsck check in regular boot.
[15:41] <evanpro> I had VirtualBox on the computer, but I've apt-get removed it (chrooted to hard disk while booted into USB key)
[15:41] <yoritomo> wildweathel i am trying some stuffs, i will reboot to know now
[15:42] <wildweathel> good luck
[15:42] <shadeslayer> evanpro: can you get a terminal?
[15:43] <yoritomo> thanks
[15:45] <evanpro> shadeslayer, do you mean when I boot from the hard drive, or from the key?
[15:45] <evanpro> I'm booted from the key right now, so yes.
[15:46] <shadeslayer> evanpro: from the HD
[15:46] <evanpro> You mean, setting init=/bin/sh or something?
[15:46] <shadeslayer> evanpro: can you chroot into the machine and see any apt error messages?
[15:47] <shadeslayer> evanpro: no i meant like after the fsck do you get a tty?
[15:47] <evanpro> no
[15:47] <evanpro> It just stops responding
[15:47] <evanpro> ^C doesn't do anything (I think that usually stops an fsck)
[15:47] <shadeslayer> evanpro: ok,try and chroot into the machine and see for error logs
[15:48] <evanpro> one sec
[15:49] <evanpro> mounting /dev and /proc and /var/run/dbus and setting up /etc/mtab and all that jazz
[15:50] <evanpro> chrooted, doing an apt-get update... successful
[15:50] <evanpro> doing an apt-get upgrade... note that initscripts and initramfs-tools are both updated...
[15:51] <evanpro> upstart too
[15:51] <virtuelv> wow, my machine went berserk on logging in
[15:51] <xteejx> hey guys, I'm using Karmic, but empathy doesn't seem to support IRC whereas pidgin did, why is that? or have i missed something?
[15:51] <douglasawh-work> is having someone that wants to use ALSA uninstall pulse a safe thing to do in Karmic?
[15:52] <shadeslayer> evanpro: i dont know a thing about upstart,so cant help you there,if there are no broken packages,i cant think of anything else
[15:52] <douglasawh-work> xteejx: everybody has their favorite IRC client of course. I got sick of pidgin and IRC and use Quassel...it'll install some KDE libs if you're using GNOME, which I do, but I was cool with that
[15:52] <evanpro> douglasawh-work, hey there
[15:52] <evanpro> shadeslayer, upgrade went OK
[15:52] <shadeslayer> xteejx: it supports irc
[15:53] <douglasawh-work> evanpro: hi
[15:53] <evanpro> I'm going to try to reboot and give it a try, thanks shadeslayer
[15:53] <xteejx> shadeslayer: i haven't seen any options for it?
[15:53] <wirechief> douglasawh-work: removing pulse can be tricky this was recommended by dtchen: touch $HOME/.pulse_a11y_nostart ; echo autospawn = no|tee -a ~/.pulse/client.conf ; killall pulseaudio
[15:53] <shadeslayer> xteejx: theres a seprate plugin i believe
[15:54] <douglasawh-work> wirechief: thanks. hmm, it's not for me. it's for a Windows-first user, so I doubt he'll be willing to do that. He was using karmic because his audio did work
[15:54] <shadeslayer> xteejx: Multi-protocol: Google Talk (Jabber/XMPP), MSN, IRC, Salut, AIM, Facebook, Yahoo!, Gadu Gadu, Groupwise, ICQ and QQ. (Supported protocols depend on installed Telepathy Connection Manager components.) Supports all protocols supported by Pidgin.
[15:55] <douglasawh-work> is going through the GUI and just seeing the default to ALSA a better idea?
[15:55] <shadeslayer> xteejx: see the part where it says (Supported protocols depend on installed Telepathy Connection Manager components.)
[15:55] <xteejx> shadeslayer: ah ok, so telepathy-irc or whatever will work without messing around?
[15:55] <shadeslayer> xteejx: yes
[15:55] <wirechief> douglasawh-work: i understand and thats why i mentioned it was tricky, also  if you don't use PA, you need to ensure that your user is in the audio group
[15:55] <BluesKaj> Gents , had to reboot twice in oder to get the login page , first time I got a tty and I did a startx , then after doing some editing grub images etc i rebooted again , but this time i had no tty or any response except the blinking cursor , ctrl+alt+F1 didn't get a tty , so I had to do a hard reboot , then finally booting up was in normalmode again
[15:55] <shadeslayer> xteejx: http://live.gnome.org/Empathy/FAQ#head-6e8718e2160a273ab4753d701c89235b3d21e041
[15:55] <xteejx> cool thanks, although I would've thought that would be part of a default install, oh well :)
[15:55] <douglasawh-work> wirechief: I'll let him know that. is that not the default though?
[15:56] <shadeslayer> xteejx: you need telepathy-idle
[15:56] <shadeslayer> !info telepathy-idle
[15:56] <wirechief> douglasawh-work: im just a messenger ;) i dont use PA
[15:56] <xteejx> shadeslayer: no probs, i'm not a dumb user, just a bit divvy sometimes ;) i can apt-get install it ;)
[15:57] <shadeslayer> xteejx: of course not,just thought youd like the full info,not just half baked :P
[15:57] <xteejx> hehe thanks ;p
[15:57] <shadeslayer> and i think ive had too much coffee
[15:58] <tzanger> hmm 428MB of updates in a week
[15:58] <tzanger> I'ma little suspicious :-)
[15:58]  * shadeslayer gives all the extra coffee to genii 
[15:58] <BlackFate> tzanger, it's still beta
[15:58] <shadeslayer> tzanger: dont be,im on opensuse and we have 500MB updates every 2nd day
[15:58] <tzanger> BlackFate: for sure
[15:58]  * genii bounces off the walls in a caffeine-induced funk
[15:59] <tzanger> I do understand that, and I'm willing to accept this kind of stuff since I want to help make the project better
[15:59] <tzanger> I also make daily backups of my data :-)
[15:59] <BlackFate> tzanger, consider the fact that even if they change a small part of line.. you have to download all package to upgrade
[15:59] <BlackFate> there is no system to install diffs
[15:59] <BluesKaj> Wow, just did an autoclean : Freed 1,065MB of disk space
[16:00] <wirechief> douglasawh-work: i just checked my install on karmic and i am not in the audio group so it isnt default
[16:00] <genii> Thats a helluva lot of old deb files in the cache
[16:00] <tzanger> BlackFate: yeah but e2fsprogs, openoffice, python... ? all that stuff has changed in the span of a week?
[16:00] <BluesKaj> unreal genii , and I usually do one every day
[16:00] <wirechief> douglasawh-work: i just checked my install on karmic and i am not in the audio group so it isnt default
[16:01] <BlackFate> tzanger, the packages are not still under freeze.. so their versions may change during a week
[16:01] <tzanger> fair enough, was just curious :-)
[16:02] <BluesKaj> genii, it deleted several kernel images
[16:03] <tzanger> BlackFate: is there an rss feed or mailing list I can watch to see what's changing in the beta?
[16:03] <BlackFate> tzanger, im not registered to any of these, soz.. :-/
[16:04] <BlackFate> tzanger, i once tried to follow debian devel list.. but it was too much
[16:04] <tzanger> heh I was on the linux-kernel list for a few years
[16:04] <BlackFate> :P
[16:04] <BluesKaj> bbiab , gonna check grub again
[16:05] <Kovert> has any one else had this issue with libstdc++5 not being installable when invoking install vmware-package
[16:09] <elvirolo> hi everyone
[16:09] <douglasawh-work> wirechief: interesting
[16:10] <elvirolo> i'm using kubuntu karmic, and, although it is installed, the plasma network widget doesn't appear in the list
[16:10] <douglasawh-work> why would it work and then stop working though? that doesn't make a lot of sense
[16:10] <tzanger> hmm, kopete crashed again
[16:10] <tzanger> in libc of all places
[16:10] <tzanger> butit's crashing consistently there
[16:10] <Kovert> isnt the plasma network widgit held back?
[16:11] <elvirolo> Kovert: held back?
[16:11] <douglasawh-work> wirechief: so, should I confirm this and file a bug? Not being able to play audio out of the box is going to turn a lot of people off
[16:12] <shadeslayer> tzanger: theres a beta mailing list
[16:13] <Kovert> yes held back
[16:14] <shadeslayer> tzanger: cant seem to find it atm
[16:14] <elvirolo> ?
[16:14] <elvirolo> ideas anyone?
[16:15] <tzanger> shadeslayer: I'm looking too now :-)
[16:15] <shadeslayer> tzanger: search them at : https://lists.ubuntu.com/
[16:16] <tzanger> shadeslayer: karmic-changes perhaps
[16:17] <douglasawh-work> can anyone confirm that not being in audio is the default? I'm installing virtualbox now to take a look, but that seems ridiculous
[16:18] <shadeslayer> tzanger: yeah,thats the one
[16:18] <tzanger> shadeslayer: thank you :-)
[16:18] <shadeslayer> btw if i download a CD,can i just dump it to the usb with dd and boot from it?
[16:18] <yoritomo> wildweathel thank you very much for your intensive help, it is working perectly now
[16:18] <wildweathel> Glad to hear it.
[16:19] <junjun> hi. anybody knows how to install gcc-3.4 on 9.10?
[16:19] <wildweathel> Did you end up using OpenDNS?
[16:19] <junjun> i want to compile grub from source, but it seems gcc-4.4 doesnt work --> so i am looking for gcc-3
[16:19] <yoritomo> i set as manual and found the dns of my provider by the config page of the router, then i pu a manual ip, rebooted and i just click enter it appears already
[16:19] <yoritomo> :)
[16:20] <yoritomo> looks fater than jaunty now
[16:20] <yoritomo> faster
[16:20] <yoritomo> koala maybe fater too :D
[16:20] <junjun> i install grub1 (grub package), but dont find /boot/grub/stage1 and so on... why??
[16:23] <yoritomo> that is so strange, the other slowdown of karmic is grub this time, i get the message "loading grub"  during 10 second
[16:27] <junjun> hi. i install grub1 (package "grub"), but dont find /boot/grub/stage1 and so on... why??
[16:31] <yoritomo> junjun your grub does not works?
[16:32] <junjun> yoritomo: yes, Xen fails with Grub2 on my machine
[16:33] <yoritomo> Xen ?
[16:33] <yoritomo> heu what is it ?
[16:33] <wildweathel> !xen
[16:33] <yoritomo> and it is a bootable VM ?
[16:34] <wildweathel> It allows you to run multiple OSes at once.
[16:34] <yoritomo> WOW
[16:35] <yoritomo> maybe try the way of swaping partitions like windows ?
[16:35] <yoritomo> i mean like windows style grub entry
[16:36] <junjun> yoritomo: you dont know what Xen is? you must be under the rocks in the last few years!
[16:37] <Daskreech> Hello :-)
[16:37] <shadeslayer> Daskreech: hi
[16:37] <Daskreech> Anyone here on Koala Kubuntu willing to do a 4 minute test?
[16:37] <Daskreech> it's disruptive though
[16:37] <JackD> GEMU kicks xen's ass :P
[16:38]  * shadeslayer is on suse
[16:38] <Daskreech> which KDE?
[16:38] <shadeslayer> Daskreech: 4.3.2
[16:38] <yoritomo> junjun, right exactly :D my house is 60cm thick stone walls :) 2 centuries old :)
[16:39] <wildweathel> Daskreetch: What's the test?
[16:39] <shadeslayer> Daskreech: anything that doesnt involve shutting down the pc or disconnecting from the net,i can do
[16:39] <Daskreech> wildweathel: Logout and choose failsafe from the KDM session menu and relogin
[16:39] <xguru> has anyone got google gadgets working in Karmic?
[16:39] <Daskreech> shadeslayer: I don't think it's a KDE issue I think it's an Ubuntu issue
[16:39] <shadeslayer> ok
[16:40] <shadeslayer> xguru: i think theres a command to run them
[16:40] <wildweathel> Oops, didn't read "k"ubuntu part.  Would you like me to try GNOME or is it a KDE issue?
[16:40] <yoritomo> google gadgets and everything only proprietary spy softs, better to keep it away from our clean ubuntu, becomes like MS :)
[16:40] <Daskreech> wildweathel: Sure try Gnome as well
[16:40] <wildweathel> one minute then
[16:41] <xguru> yoritomo: what would u suggest using asside from gkrhelm?
[16:41] <wildweathel> Looking good on GNOME.
[16:41] <Daskreech> Ok
[16:41] <Daskreech> Can someone try on /
[16:42] <Daskreech> kubuntu
[16:45] <yoritomo> xguru, it has on kde a nice weather utility for the task bar but under gnome, me i prefere to check on wind guru website
[16:45] <yoritomo> anyway now i have my own meteo station in the garden it is really more accurate than forecasts
[16:45] <yoritomo> barometer is the best deal :)
[16:47] <yoritomo> i am a palm collector then i need my local weather checking, last year we had -21C on 7th january heu, on the net it was forecasted -15c everywhere :S
[16:49] <Martyn1> We've got a pretty serious problem with php5 in Karmic Koala
[16:49] <Martyn1> zlib is missing
[16:49] <Martyn1> Downloading update from http://downloads.wordpress.org/plugin/wordpress-automatic-upgrade.1.2.5.zip. Unpacking the update. Abort class-pclzip.php : Missing zlib extensions
[16:49] <Daskreech> yoritomo: I read that as Pre
[16:49] <kklimonda> is the "right" way to change default grub entry editing /etc/default/grub ?
[16:49] <yoritomo> Pre ?
[16:49] <Martyn1> As an example .. php5-zlib (or just having zlib.so present in the main php5 dpkg) is gone .. and this problem may span upstream all the way to Debian
[16:50] <yoritomo> xguru on gnome click on the upper deskbar add icon and it has a weather icon
[16:50] <legend2440> !grub2 | kklimonda
[16:50] <xguru> yoritomo: yea i have my location filled in and also the boxes checked to display the weather...but it doesn't show up
[16:50] <Luit> something weird happened to my computer... suddenly neither Eclipse nor NetBeans will work properly
[16:51] <Luit> could this be relevant to the VirtualBox trouble? (this one is quite probably Java-related... is VirtualBox Java-based too?
[16:53] <Martyn1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zlib/+bug/439407
[16:54] <Martyn1> "Undecided" .. good lord, this is a crit bug
[16:56] <Luit> anyone here experiencing the same NetBeans or Eclipse problems?
[16:56] <Luit> Eclipse just won't start, and NetBeans doesn't want to create projects
[16:57] <junjun> i found this message: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/karmic-changes/2009-June/002952.html, but why i cannot find gcc-3.4 anywhere in 9.10??
[17:00] <sourcemaker> are there major issues in karmic? or can I start the upgrade? (I know... it's not released)
[17:00] <joaopinto> junjun, because it was removed later
[17:01] <joaopinto> junjun, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/karmic-changes/2009-June/002952.html
[17:01] <joaopinto> ops
[17:01] <joaopinto> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-3.4/+bug/418372
[17:01] <junjun> joaopinto: why they removed that? will they add that later, again?
[17:01] <wildweathel> sourcemaker: how comfortable are you with ubuntu?
[17:01] <wildweathel> and do you need your computer?
[17:01] <joaopinto> junjun, read the bug report :)
[17:02] <sourcemaker> joaopinto: ok... I keep my fingers away :-)
[17:05] <Luit> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eclipse/+bug/450980
[17:06] <Luit> could someone verify this?
[17:06] <Luit> anybody with a clean 9.10 install, install NetBeans, start it, try to create a Java Project
[17:07] <Luit> if it doesn't work, lift this bug off eclipse and on some java-related package, or add netbeans to the list of affected packages
[17:08] <marko-_-> Hello, where in karmic are the sound preferences? like choosing the daemon and stuff?
[17:08] <Martyn1> junjun: gcc-3.4 has been deprecated in 9.10
[17:08] <Martyn1> junjun: Only gcc 4.x compilers are now available.  I had a long-ish talk with devs (Martin and others) and support for the 'obsolete' compiler has been dropped
[17:08] <junjun> Martyn1: so what if we want to compile some old code, like old qemu??
[17:08] <Martyn1> Gone
[17:08] <Daskreech> yoritomo: You said you collect Palms and I read it as if it was Palm Pre
[17:09] <marko-_-> Hello, where in karmic are the sound preferences? like choosing the daemon and stuff?
[17:09] <Martyn1> I had the same problem having to compile some code for ARM software simulation (like qemu)
[17:09] <teolicy> Hi. I have a laptop with Jaunty, which I'm happy with. I'd like to upgrade it to Karmic's final release, but can't wait until the actual release date (I'm going on a long trip and probably won't be able to mess with reinstalling my laptop). I'd like to do-release-upgrade, and switch to 9.10 beta, but first I wanted to ask this - after the final release date, if I'll do apt-get upgrade, will my laptop be reasonably equivalent to a Jau
[17:09] <teolicy> upgraded to the final Karmic, or is it likely to still have 'beta traces' on it? I actually did backup all of it, so I'm more worried about "hidden defect" than "immediate crash and burn".
[17:09] <yoritomo> Daskreech palm trees for cold climate
[17:09] <Martyn1> Luckily, I got _new_ qemu to compile so I was able to run code on an ARM versatilepb system
[17:09] <junjun> Martyn1: pls consider that carefully, because still some old and popular code are around!
[17:10] <Martyn1> junjun : Hey, I'm on _your_ side on this one.   I'm just telling you that the devs have said "no"
[17:10] <junjun> Martyn1: so sad!
[17:10] <callum1> getting constant "poping" sound from laptop unless music/sound is playing (same as the sound you get when you power off) any one help?
[17:10] <Martyn1> junjun : You're free to attempt to try to compile gcc 3.4 on the current system, and create a PPA in universe for it
[17:10] <Martyn1> I was /not/ able to do so, however.
[17:10] <Martyn1> callum1: That sounds more like a hardware issue, than a Karmic issue
[17:11] <junjun> ok so somebody can support that in universe repo, i hope
[17:11] <wildweathel> Callum1: yes.  It's a known karmic regression.
[17:11] <callum1> only happened since upgrade
[17:11] <Martyn1> callum1: I know some people have had some issues with newer sound drivers under PulseAudio than they had in Jaunty... but the root cause isn't something trivial
[17:11] <callum1> oki this a known bug then?
[17:11] <Martyn1> it's going to take some digging into to figure out what went bang.  there's a launchpad bug for it if you search .. add your hardware configuration to it, and subscribe to the bug
[17:12] <callum1> will do
[17:12] <callum1> thanks :)
[17:12] <wildweathel> callum1:  please follow the instructions to report here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-May/008239.html
[17:13] <wildweathel> A work-around is to edit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf .  Comment out the "options snd-hda-intel" line at the very bottom.
[17:15] <Luit> anyone on this Eclipse and NetBeans thing?
[17:15] <callum1> thanks wildweathel will report the bug and try a restart with the line commented out
[17:16] <wildweathel> Luit, I don't use Eclipse, but you say it doesn't start at all?  How big is it?  I might install it and try to confirm if it's not too bad.
[17:16] <andreas_> hey there...does anyone have infos on the nvida driver for karmic? I downloaded the daily build the other day and couldn't install the nvidia driver...
[17:17] <andreas_> it downloaded but didn't install...after that the computer didn't boot anymore...
[17:17] <yoritomo> andreas, for which device model?
[17:17] <wildweathel> andreas_: Ouch.  Are you at least able to boot now?
[17:17] <andreas_> 8400M GT on my Sony Laptop...
[17:17] <bjsnider> andreas_, reinstall nvidia-185-kernel-source
[17:17] <yoritomo> which driver, which device, which error message or phenomens
[17:18] <andreas_> well I'm on Arch Linux now...but they have problems with Gnome 2.28...rolling release is only cool in theory ;-)
[17:18] <sourcemaker> why is kubuntu using ext4? is it really stable to use?
[17:18] <yoritomo> andreas_ was you using 173 ?
[17:19] <andreas_> now 185...it downloaded but didn't install for I a rights issue...read somewhere it had something to do with the kernel update?
[17:19] <andreas_> sorry my english isn't that good...I'm actually from germany...
[17:20] <mbeierl> just had gvfs-mount.smb taking up 1.3g of memory.   gvfs-mount -u -s smb cleared it.
[17:20] <yoritomo> andreas ,  guten tag mein frund :)
[17:21] <andreas_> wünsche ich Dir auch ;-)
[17:21] <shadeslayer> andreas_: heh,arch is like cool at first,then its a pita
[17:22] <shadeslayer> meta-cycle++
[17:22] <yoritomo> andreas_ i had exactly same problem with nvidia fx5200 with driver 173 from nvidia, forzen desktop too, or sometime blind,
[17:22] <andreas_> as I said the rolling release idea is great but I felt like it's always in beta state...I always had to adjust .conf files and stuff...it's for people with lots of time
[17:22] <shadeslayer> andreas_: i completely agree,i couldnt stand arch for more than a week
[17:22] <yoritomo> high unstability, and then finally i keep always with the ubuntu drivers, proprietary nvidia is really not accurate
[17:23] <andreas_> my idea is I want to work WITH the OS...not ON the OS all the time...
[17:23] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[17:24] <shadeslayer> and suse has these huge updates every other day.... im coming back to kubuntu once they release it
[17:24] <andreas_> but I learned a lot about linux by using Arch though...
[17:24] <shadeslayer> andreas_: same here,starting daemons,etc,etc
[17:25] <wildweathel> I feel the same way.  Gentoo, not Arch, but it was the same sort of valuable learning experience.
[17:25] <shadeslayer> ubuntu is like,install and forget
[17:25] <callum1> wildweathel: just a heads up that fix worked after a reboot thanks so much that was doing my head in!!!!! also added note to bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/433782) I now have a click free life!!!
[17:26] <jemark> shadeslayer: yes, but not a rolling distro
[17:26] <shadeslayer> jemark: yep
[17:26] <jemark> shadeslayer: cutting edge every 6 months ;)
[17:27] <andreas_> everyone has to decide weather or not it needs every single kernel version...
[17:27] <shadeslayer> jemark: i always thought why ubuntu had meta cycles,and wasnt a rolling release,now i know why
[17:27] <shadeslayer> and suse has this seriously messed up repo structure.....
[17:28] <andreas_> I mean I have 2.6.31.4 her on my Arch system an there's absolutely no difference than 2.6.30...it still can't fly or anything...
[17:28] <wildweathel> callum1: Did you file a new bug?  Should be a new, separate bug that looks like this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/450630
[17:28] <jemark> shadeslayer: it probably causes more issues :) Suse is rpm, like fedora
[17:29] <andreas_> I tried Fedora, too...didn't like their package manager...I just couldn't find what I needed...
[17:29] <shadeslayer> jemark: yeah,i know,but guess what,they have seprate repos for each KDE revision which i dont understand the purpose of...
[17:29] <shadeslayer> of course some people might like this....
[17:29] <andreas_> but it's good to have all these distros side by side...and it's all linux after all...
[17:30] <shadeslayer> andreas_: oh yeah!!
[17:30] <andreas_> which means world peace and eternal happiness...
[17:30] <shadeslayer> but i cant believe that ill have to work in promoting MS @ my college :(
[17:30] <yoritomo> wildweathel thanks again for your good help, now i will play some music as VSTi are working now on lmms, that a good news
[17:30] <jemark> shadeslayer: i prefer a debian based distro, debian itself is not bad but the stable has a bit old software
[17:31] <andreas_> ah...and MS is the devil and Apple for the rich kids...bring in the clichees please ;-)
[17:31] <yoritomo> shadeslayer promote wmware to teach them how to use linux on windows :D
[17:31] <cwillu_at_work> andreas_, get with the times, apple is the devil, ms is his servant
[17:31] <jemark> andreas_: :) yes, bsd is for the geeks
[17:32] <shadeslayer> jemark: i prefer my cup of kubuntu with a few of my favorite compiled from git
[17:32] <andreas_> I mean I had Windows XP for 7 years (note the irony of that number) and I was happy with it...
[17:32] <wildweathel> So, anyone have problems needing fixing?
[17:32] <shadeslayer> wildweathel: check out the list of bugs on launchpad :P
[17:32] <andreas_> well is it save to download the latest daily build and hope that the nvidia driver will work this time...c'mon guys take a look into the future...
[17:32] <yoritomo> bsd i don't like at all :s so close to linux, but not much softwares, ugly interface, and much stuffs under terminal only :(
[17:32] <cwillu_at_work> wildweathel, multiple pl2303 serial adapters into the same hub cause kernel oopses
[17:33] <wildweathel> lol
[17:33] <wildweathel> Send me the hardware and I'll look into it.
[17:33] <jemark> andreas_: sure you can be happy with it when you don't know of any alternatives or when you like to pay money for your software
[17:33] <shadeslayer> yoritomo: cant,i HAVE to preview only upcoming MS tech
[17:33] <cwillu_at_work> yoritomo, you do realize that Xorg runs on bsd, and gnome, kde, etc are all available?
[17:33] <shadeslayer> wildweathel: hehe.... also #ubuntu-bugs,nasty bugs just keep flying by
[17:33] <yoritomo> hoho i hope for you, ms will sign their fail before :D
[17:34] <andreas_> ah...I wanted to test freeBSD, too...it refused to install on my laptop...
[17:34] <yoritomo> cwillu_at_work yes, and with very high stability but not intuitive at all
[17:35] <leaf-sheep> Why is the X taking up 100% CPU? :(
[17:35] <jemark> andreas_: that's funny... well... at least you tried ;)
[17:35] <wildweathel> Yeah, I should learn how to do bug triage.  Or maybe I should work on bug #1
[17:35] <jemark> leaf-sheep: maybe there is an open bug about it.
[17:35] <leaf-sheep> jemark: Can you link me to it? I'll post myself as a duplicate.
[17:36] <wildweathel> Okay, back to work.
[17:36] <andreas_> I'll go and ask at ubuntu-bugs right at this instance...hell yeah!!!
[17:36] <frogger> Anyone having an issue where the ubuntu one checkmark is marked on all of your documents?
[17:36] <wildweathel> Frogger, yes.  Update fixes it.
[17:36] <frogger> I really hope the ubuntu one isn't syncing all my docs :o
[17:36] <frogger> wildweathel, which one?
[17:36] <frogger> nevermind
[17:37] <joaopinto> frogger, it's no, is a display bug
[17:38] <frogger> Ah, see the update, thanks. Just got worried about stability with that and nvidia drivers wigging out :)
[17:38] <jemark> leaf...you can search it on lauchpad. if you don't have a launchpad account, you can make one. the more people report bugs, the better Ubuntu will become :)
[17:42] <leaf-sheep> For those who experience X taking up CPU2 100%, Log out and in will resolve it.
[17:43] <thiebaude> leaf-sheep, yea, i had to do that before
[17:43] <wildweathel> andreas_: Did you get your computer to boot again, after the failed install?
[17:44] <leaf-sheep> thiebaude: Cool. I found out about that just now when I noticed the sluggish behaviors and decided to check processes. :3
[17:44] <andreas_> nope...it just bootet like forever with blank screen...
[17:46] <wildweathel> And it's still like that?
[17:46] <andreas_> no...I'm running Arch Linux atm...
[17:46] <wildweathel> Ah, cool.
[17:47] <andreas_> not really...it has Problems with Gnome 2.28..
[17:47]  * thiebaude brb
[17:47] <RediXe> Display Manager locks up when I hit apply after unchecking "Mirror screens" and it says it needs to set a new virtual resolution (I tell it Yes on this dialog). Any ideas on getting this to work?
[17:50] <ibkanat> what happened to the services configuration
[17:50] <RediXe> The gnome-display-properties* locks up not display manager
[17:51] <nemo> waaah
[17:52] <nemo> not only did the new Eclipse 3.5.1 in karmic supersede my yogarine 3.5
[17:52] <nemo> (yes, I should have locked it)
[17:52] <thiebaude> ibkanat, i was wondering that too
[17:52] <nemo> but now I can't go back to the yogarine one, after attempting a few times, something seems screwed up config wise
[17:52] <nemo> I can't seem to get my addons to "take"
[17:53] <andreas_> ok...I think I'll grab the latest snapshot and give it another try...ttl...
[17:53] <nemo> and the new Eclipse 3.5.1 has no proper software update, so I can't seem to use it to reinstall Subversive
[17:53] <nemo> ugh.
[17:53] <joaopinto> nemo, eclipse is still being worked, updates are expected to work on the next upgrade
[17:53] <nemo> joaopinto: well. going to try blowing away ~/.eclipse, completely wiping /usr/lib/eclipse after uninstalling
[17:54] <nemo> then trying to install the yogarine one
[17:54] <ibkanat> i think bluetooth app is causing locks on different software for my
[17:54] <ibkanat> computer
[17:54] <ibkanat> just killed it yeah :) and trying a debug build again
[17:55] <ibkanat> I dont even have bluetooth why is it installed by default?
[17:55] <joaopinto> ibkanat, because you could need it ? like plugging a bluetooth dongle ?
[17:55] <ibkanat> bt_audio_service_open: connect() failed: Connection refused (111)
[17:56] <ibkanat> even after I killed it how would I blacklist it?
[17:56] <joaopinto> ibkanat, which app is it ?
[17:56] <joaopinto> you can blacklist the bt module
[17:57] <ibkanat> I am building blender 2.5 it works fine on 9.04 but I am having it freak on 9.10
[17:57] <ibkanat> also with other apps
[17:57] <ibkanat> one thread maxs out
[17:57] <ibkanat> one core
[17:57] <ibkanat> or dual
[17:57] <ibkanat> or- of+
[17:58] <nemo> joaopinto: well. actually, before I get all drastic - is fixing software update like "next day or two" ?
[17:58] <nemo> joaopinto: I can probably put up w/ broken eclipse until end of week
[17:58] <joaopinto> nemo, no idea, I just was told it was being worked
[17:58] <ibkanat> joaopinto where is the blacklist file again sorry
[17:59] <ibkanat> and what exactly is the modules name
[17:59] <joaopinto> ibkanat, the blacklist is for kernel modules, not for applications, I didn't understood your problem yet
[17:59] <joaopinto> I don't have bt loaded here, I don't know the modules name
[17:59] <ibkanat> I want to black list the bluetooth will that disable my wifi
[17:59] <joaopinto> ibkanat, no
[18:00] <ibkanat> I disabled it on startup and killed the process but...
[18:00] <joaopinto> ibkanat, which process ?
[18:00] <ibkanat> from the monitor
[18:01] <ibkanat> but I am wondering if its in the audio part some how
[18:01] <ibkanat> bt_audio_service_open: connect() failed: Connection refused (111)
[18:01] <ibkanat> bt_audio is bluetooth audio right?
[18:01] <joaopinto> afaik, yes
[18:01] <joaopinto> which is odd to be loaded if you dont have it
[18:01] <joaopinto> ibkanat, lsmod | grep bt
[18:02] <nemo> aaargh. I can't seem to convince Synaptic to install a clean set of the yogarine packages
[18:02] <ibkanat> hmm nothing
[18:02] <nemo> it keeps trying to put in some of the new broken karmic ones :(
[18:02] <joaopinto> nemo, if it's a lower version you will need pinning
[18:03] <neoTheCat> i just upgraded on two boxes, one is fine.  on the other, firefox complains about an old sqlite version and won't start.  both have the same sqlite version.  any ideas?
[18:04] <ibkanat> when I killed pluseaudio it was able to exit the app so makes me wonder if its connected to pulse some how
[18:04] <joaopinto> neoTheCat, it could be a problem with the firefox preferences migration
[18:04] <joaopinto> neoTheCat, try renaming .mozilla/ to .mozilla.old
[18:05] <neoTheCat> joaopinto: just tried it.  it asked me if i wanted to import anything, i said no, and then it gave me the same sqlite version error.
[18:05] <Lin_> hi there. My ubuntu+1 install is working fine now, but I have a little problem, in my computer I have 2 disks (sda and sdb), when sdb (just one ntfs partition) is plugged I cannot start my system it says Timeout to find rootfs, but when I unplug it, the rootfs is found without any problem. This sound a kinda weird since grub2 and fstab check disks by uuid not dev names. Anyone have any clue about this?
[18:06] <ibkanat> joaopinto so I dont need to blacklist if the module is not found with grep?
[18:06] <joaopinto> neoTheCat, apt-cache policy sqlite, in both systems, check the versions
[18:06] <ibkanat> trying to remove the pluseaubio bt module
[18:06] <joaopinto> ibkanat, if you don't know the module name you can't blacklist it
[18:08] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. Weird..  www.squashrecipes.net works in firefox but not Chromium.
[18:09] <joaopinto> is mysql server broken ?
[18:10] <nemo> Package: *
[18:10] <nemo> Pin: release o=LP-PPA-yogarine
[18:10] <nemo> Pin-Priority: 900
[18:10] <nemo> joaopinto: that didn't work :-/  looking into it, but if you have any familiarity...
[18:10] <neoTheCat> joaopinto: both same exact versions
[18:10] <joaopinto> necroforest, does the o= mathces the "Origin" field on the Release file ?
[18:10] <joaopinto> neoTheCat, no idea, better file a bug report
[18:10] <joaopinto> ops, nemo ....
[18:11] <nemo> joaopinto: dunno. I was just copying someone else's syntax from another pinning bug
[18:11] <nemo> unfortunately the pinning howto doesn't explain what to use to refer to PPA
[18:11] <joaopinto> a PPA is just a generic repository :)
[18:12] <nemo> great. what is it *called* :-p
[18:12] <joaopinto> nemo, you need to check the "Release" file from the ppa
[18:12] <nemo> isn't like I know what o= or a= refer to
[18:12] <joaopinto> nemo: /var/lib/apt/lists/*Release
[18:12] <nemo> ah-hah
[18:13] <joaopinto> o=, matches with the "Origin" field there
[18:13] <nemo> http://ppa.launchpad.net/yogarine/eclipse/ubuntu/dists/jaunty/Release
[18:13] <nemo> yeppers
[18:13] <nemo> alrighty
[18:21] <nemo> joaopinto: changing that pin to o=LP-PPA-yogarine-eclipse did not help
[18:22] <nemo> maybe I'm misunderstanding Pin-Priority
[18:22] <nemo> I thought 900 would be "really really high"
[18:22] <nemo> looks like it is. hm.
[18:22] <nemo> ah
[18:22] <nemo> but prioritises release
[18:23] <lanoxx> hi
[18:23] <lanoxx> i just upgraded to karmic
[18:23] <joaopinto> nemo, apt-cache policy package, to check how priorities are set
[18:23] <lanoxx> getting a strange errror that upstart can not be started
[18:24] <lanoxx> start: Unable to connect to Upstart: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused
[18:24] <RediXe> Running gnome-display-properties as root it let me uncheck and give it permission to write the virtual resolution and it asked me to logout which I did and it had no effect and when I checked, it was back to Mirror screens :(
[18:25] <lanoxx> can anyone give me a hint on how to fix this issue? I have already tried dpkg --configure -a and apt-get install -f and update-manager -d nothing works
[18:26] <mvo> lanoxx: did the upgrade itself work fine? or did you have issues during the upgrade?
[18:26] <Strogg_> looks like driver atheros9k is not very stable on asus eee
[18:27] <lanoxx> mvo, i had several issues and did a couple of partial issues
[18:28] <lanoxx> mysql and openoffice game several dependency cycle issues
[18:28] <lanoxx> and i had that known bug about python giving a deprecated errro because of some unofficial python package
[18:28] <mvo> lanoxx: did any package fail to upgrade during the upgrade? what does apt-get install -f ; apt-get install ubuntu-standard ubuntu-minimal show ?
[18:28] <lanoxx> hang on
[18:29] <nemo> joaopinto: http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning "Note that a priority above 1000 will allow even downgrades no matter the version of the prioritary package. This means that you can use priority 1001 for a stable source if you want to downgrade to the stable versions of the packages you have installed (let's say from testing) on the system."
[18:29] <lanoxx> a lot of errors, i post you the log file
[18:29] <nemo> not that it actually seems to be working... :-/
[18:29] <nemo> reading apt_preferences though
[18:29] <lanoxx> mvo, http://pastebin.com/f454df9d
[18:30] <lanoxx> mvo,  it seems to fail with upstart, then all other errors are related to that
[18:30] <lanoxx> not?
[18:35] <lanoxx> mvo, still there?
[18:37] <mvo> lanoxx: yeah, is dbus installed ok?
[18:37] <mvo> dpkg -l dbus
[18:37] <Luit> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eclipse/+bug/450980
[18:37] <Myxb> hm... is the there an option not to 'sound' icon in the notification area? can't find it here..
[18:38] <Luit> anyone tried verifying this problem yet?
[18:38] <dfarm> Hey guys, I was just trying to run update manager and getting 404s on e.g., downloading the updated kernel, etc. is there another official mirror/source I can try?
[18:38] <lanoxx> mvo, no it istn see my private message
[18:38] <mvo> lanoxx: hm, that does look ok
[18:39] <lanoxx> mvo why does it say reinst-required?
[18:39] <nemo> bleah
[18:39] <nemo> Package: eclipse
[18:39] <nemo> Pin: release o=LP-PPA-yogarine-eclipse
[18:39] <nemo> Pin-Priority: 2002
[18:39] <nemo> yields
[18:39] <nemo> 2002 for both the official 3.5.1 and the 3.5.0 yogarine in apt-cache policy eclipse
[18:40] <nemo> maybe o= is being ignored
[18:42] <howd36> hi. so, a 9.10 update batch not more than a week old just rendered my system unbootable. is this a known one?
[18:42] <nemo> and if I do Package: *  I get a 0 for both, oddly
[18:42] <howd36> it suddenly restarted X halfway through the update, without asking, and stuff went downhill from there :P
[18:42] <mvo> lanoxx: hm, unless this paste got garbled it looks like the third column is not set (that is the one with the req-reinst)
[18:42] <shane2peru> is karmic support with ATI any better than Jaunty?  I'm having serious problems with my Radeon HD3100 graphics card, can't do anything it overheats
[18:42] <lanoxx> mvo, http://pastebin.com/f78fbdfb5 check that out it came about half an our ago when i tried to upgrade
[18:43] <Luit> howd36: I had the same, though it didn't break my system
[18:43] <Luit> it did crash my X
[18:44] <mvo> howd36: urgh, can you report a bug if X got restarted? and include the log in /var/log/apt/term.log ?
[18:44] <mvo> lanoxx: hm, is this a chroot or something where no dbus system bus is available?
[18:45] <nemo> O
[18:45] <nemo> I'm getting the impression pinning is just broken.
[18:45] <lanoxx> mvo, nope just my normal system nothing unusual, x61, intel grahpics, no vm or anything unusual running
[18:45] <nemo> frig
[18:45] <joaopinto> can someone on 64 bits check: ldd /usr/sbin/mysqld
[18:45] <nemo> the parameters are becoming straightforward, they just don't seem to work as advertised.
[18:46] <joaopinto> a lot of unresolved libs
[18:46] <howd36> Luit: halfway through a recent update as well?
[18:46] <Luit> yeah
[18:47] <Luit> yesterday, or today...
[18:47] <lanoxx> mvo, i have had a few ppas installed and i had kernel 2.6.31 running like 2 weeks ago but then reverted to the ubuntu standard kernel again because i got problems with the new kernel
[18:47] <Luit> don't know for sure when, though I had to fix dpkg today
[18:47] <lanoxx> mvo, and i installed the new intel-2.7.1 drivers from x-updates ppa, thats about it
[18:47]  * Luit is updating his desktop computer at the moment, checking if this happens again here
[18:47] <innomen> I'm getting strange cursor related visual artifacts all of the sudden. Is anyone else having this issue?
[18:47] <mvo> lanoxx: hm, that should all not be causing this error - odd
[18:48] <innomen> It's like mouse trails, only it's offset squares, as if my desktp were made of tiles and the mouse pulls them out of place occasionally.
[18:48] <howd36> "restart: Unknown instance:" sounds like fun in the term.log
[18:49] <cwillu_at_work> nemo, pinning _is_ broken, or at least, isn't implemented consistently across all of the dpkg frontendsd
[18:49] <innomen> What terms would i use to google an issue like this?
[18:49] <cwillu_at_work> innomen, display cheese or cursor corruption
[18:49] <innomen> cwillu, thank you
[18:49] <howd36> I really do wonder why it would send a restart command there to begin with, but I suppose that's for the bug fixing magicians to find out :)
[18:49] <nemo> cwillu_at_work: basic pinning seems to work
[18:50] <cwillu_at_work> or artifacts :p
[18:50] <nemo> cwillu_at_work: Package: *
[18:50] <nemo> Pin: origin ppa.launchpad.net
[18:50] <nemo> Pin-priority: 2002
[18:50] <innomen> cwillu_at_work, well i tried that and got video card over clocking issues mainly
[18:50] <nemo> cwillu_at_work: I switched to that - hideous, but luckily the only one I'm subscribing to right now is Yogarine's eclipse
[18:50] <cwillu_at_work> innomen, searching launchpad?
[18:50] <lanoxx> mvo, very, i can tell you the whole history, i started upgrading and after i had downloaded all but a few packets update-manager crashed saying something about an unresolved error with openoffice.org-core at that time i was also getting a strange error about some python function beeing deprecated, i simply removed openoffice.org-core and along some other openoffice.org-packets got removed, including a packet called python-uno afterwards th
[18:50] <lanoxx> e upgrade worked and the python error didnt come again, next thing i remember is that mysql upgrade failed and i got a lot of errors that upstart couldnt get updated
[18:50] <nemo> cwillu_at_work: I can manually add each package name then invert with a -10 on * too, I guess...
[18:50] <nemo> bleah :(
[18:51] <innomen> cwillu_at_work, i knwo what it is
[18:51] <innomen> cwillu_at_work, I added a lin to xorg about allowing animated cursors trying to make a game playable.
[18:51] <innomen> that must be it
[18:51] <innomen> thanks :)
[18:52] <nemo> cwillu_at_work: also, although that selected the right candidate, apt-cache policy was *still* misreporting the weightings :)
[18:53] <Luit> howd36: it just crashed
[18:53] <cwillu_at_work> nemo, "broken"
[18:53] <howd36> more importantly for me personally right now is that i'm on a 9.04 livecd trying to recover files from my 9.10 encrypted home folder, but I have no idea how :o
[18:53] <Luit> howd36: not sure which package it was configuring at the time...
[18:53] <howd36> Luit: again? that's not good :(
[18:53] <Luit> howd36: do you have virtualbox installed?
[18:54] <howd36> I do not
[18:54] <Luit> hm, then that must have finished just before the crash
[18:54] <howd36> after my crash it seemed to not be able to detect USB ports anymore
[18:54] <lanoxx> mvo, whats the name of the upstart script?
[18:54] <lanoxx> to start upstart manually
[18:54] <howd36> or even start ubuntu, eventually :P
[18:55] <Luit> howd36: how much does it boot for you?
[18:55] <mvo> lanoxx: the "start" command is what upstart uses, upstart itself runs as a daemon
[18:55]  * cwillu_at_work huggles upstart
[18:55] <howd36> I don't into the GDM, it flickers infinitely on the startup text screen right before
[18:55] <cwillu_at_work> mvo, not sure you can call the init process a daemon
[18:55] <lanoxx> so how do i start the daemon? i couldnt find anything in /etc/init.d/
[18:56] <lanoxx> start upstart just gives me: start: Name "com.ubuntu.Upstart" does not exist
[18:56] <cwillu_at_work> lanoxx, upstart is init, it's the first process started by the kernel; you don't start it yourself
[18:56] <howd36> it seems my X is somewhat very broken :)
[18:56] <Dr_Willis> lanoxx:  sudo service servicename
[18:56] <Dr_Willis> lanoxx:  sudo service servicename start   (oops)
[18:56] <nemo> yay. finally have my eclipse back
[18:56] <Dr_Willis> lanoxx:  upstart isent a sevice however..  so im not sure what you are trying to do.
[18:57] <cwillu_at_work> Dr_Willis, "start servicename"
[18:57] <Luit> I just had to RSEIUB my system...
[18:57] <nemo> granted, buttons are broken again, but I'll take that over non-functional plugins any day
[18:57] <lanoxx> start: Unable to connect to Upstart: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused
[18:57] <howd36> right after it rebooting automatically I did get back into the GDM but the settings were reverted to default GNOME settings (blue background and the likes) - after I hard reset the system (as keyboard and mouse were not responding anymore) I never managed to get back into the GDM again
[18:57] <cwillu_at_work> lanoxx, are you reading what people are telling you?  you can't start upstart yourself, the kernel does it at boot
[18:57] <AceKing> Has anyone had any luck running Bitpim in 9.10? It can't find my phone "LG VX9100"
[18:57] <howd36> just a flickering terminal screen right before it's supposed to show GDM :)
[18:57] <howd36> Luit: are you on an encrypted home by any chance?
[18:58] <cwillu_at_work> lanoxx, if upstart isn't running, then your machine isn't running
[18:58] <lanoxx> Dr_Willis, im trying to compete my distupgrade which fails because xorg-server cannot be configured which inturn fails because upstart is not running
[18:58] <Luit> howd36: nope
[18:58] <Luit> howd36: can you still use the terminals?
[18:58] <Dr_Willis> lanoxx:  perhaps boot live cd. and chroot in and do the upgrades?
[18:58] <howd36> nop
[18:59] <howd36> I can only stare at a flickering screen
[18:59] <lanoxx> cwillu_at_work, then i would have to restart but im not sure if that is a good idea since the dist-upgrade was not successful? will i still have a working system when i restart?
[18:59] <Luit> howd36: you can finish (resume) the update from the terminal
[18:59] <Luit> howd36: press CTRL + ALT + F1
[18:59] <Dr_Willis> howd36:  if you can get to the console, you can stop the gdm service
[18:59] <howd36> I tried, but my USB ports do not seem to be detected anymore
[18:59] <howd36> I vaguely recall seeing an error fly by
[18:59] <Luit> USB keyboard?
[19:00] <howd36> laptop, but I'd imagine it's the same internally
[19:00] <Luit> not really...
[19:00] <howd36> well then, it's just ignoring my keypresses :P
[19:00] <cwillu_at_work> lanoxx, you may be in a situation where you have to recover from a live cd
[19:00] <cwillu_at_work> i.e., chroot in to complete the updates, assuming it doesn't boot
[19:00] <howd36> I did the whole reisub dance, tried getting into my ttys as well
[19:00] <cwillu_at_work> lanoxx, but I'd expect that you could still boot into single user mode and finish updates fom there
[19:00] <howd36> no go, just the flickering screen
[19:01] <Luit> I had to raise the elephant after X crashed to get it to respond
[19:01] <lanoxx> cwillu_at_work, so u suggest that i reboot first and if the system still runs, then complete the update process?
[19:01] <Luit> howd36: try booting in init mode 3 instead of 5
[19:02] <howd36> I was hoping to first recover some files from my encrypted home folder before messing about with it more. But I have no idea how I'd go about doing that from a 9.04 livecd ;(
[19:02] <Luit> hm, dpkg resumes the update with "Setting up initramfs-tools"
[19:02] <lanoxx> cwillu_at_work, on thing i am wondering about, how is the system supposed to upgrade under normal circumstanced? obviously some processes require upstart to be started which only started at boot time, so it cant be running since i ran the distupgrade from a running jaunty system?
[19:03] <Luit> and that's probably everything it still had to do...
[19:03] <Luit> weird
[19:03] <lanoxx> cwillu_at_work, shouldnt the update process tell me to reboot before it attempts to configure the packets that depend on a running upstart?
[19:03] <lanoxx> cwillu_at_work, last question: who do i get into single user mode?
[19:04] <Luit> howd36: what videocard are you using?
[19:04] <ldeveaux> hi
[19:04] <ldeveaux> I have a question about network configuration of Kubuntu. I want to use a SOCKS5 proxy for all my connections. How can I configure it in Kubuntu settings? Thanks in advance
[19:04] <ldeveaux> I have found a menu in system settings to configure http, https, ftp but no SOCKS5
[19:05] <Luit> seems like the crash was because the video driver module was ejected somehow... X couldn't find the module, judging from my logs
[19:05] <howd36> Luit: nVidia GeForce 8600M GT
[19:06] <luca> hi everyone
[19:06] <lanoxx> cwillu_at_work, still there?
[19:06] <Luit> strange, my desktop has nVidia too, so that would seem to correlate, though my laptop uses an Intel chip...
[19:06] <Luit> and it crashed the same way
[19:06] <luca> does anyone know how to revert from an encrypted home/swap setup chosen during boot?
[19:07] <howd36> the last things my apt did were: "Processing triggers for hal ...", "Regenerating hal fdi cache ...", "restart: Unknown instance: ", "Processing triggers for install-info ..." end log
[19:07] <Luit> howd36: where did you find that?
[19:08] <howd36> which might explain a thing or two
[19:08] <howd36> that's from term.log in /var/log/apt/
[19:08] <howd36> or /media/disk/var/log/apt in my case ;)
[19:08] <jimpop> luca.  as the logged in user, cd /home; tar -czf user.tar.gz ~/ and then boot into single mode, purge all crypt packages and extract the tar ball into /home
[19:09] <jimpop> luca: then you will need to mkswap on your swap partition and update  /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume with the new uuid
[19:10] <luca> jimpop thanks
[19:10] <lanoxx> im gonna try i reboot, lets see
[19:10] <luca> duly copied your instructions in a text file, will do :)
[19:10] <jimpop> luca, also update /etc/fstab with the new uuid
[19:10] <luca> jimpop of course
[19:10] <jimpop> ;-)
[19:14] <h00k_> I am getting kernel panic after kernel panic, whats the best way t go about tracking the cause down?
[19:14] <h00k_> Karmic Beta, latest updates, nvidia185 drivers
[19:14] <luca> h00k_ : check your /var/log/syslog and kern.log
[19:15] <luca> as first thing
[19:15] <luca> there are also some kernel debug packages which you can install from the synaptic manager, if I am not mistaken
[19:16] <luca> other problem here, my samsung mp3 player is mounted incorrectly as a read-only filesystem, new bug
[19:16] <luca> going to post it on the launchpad, but first, anyone else with this problem? it is a fat16 device which I can mount correctly with "sudo mount -t vfat" etc.
[19:16] <Luit> howd36: booting with the previous kernel doesn't make it work either?
[19:17] <thiebaude> update manager wants to run partital updates , what should i do?
[19:18] <h00k_> luca: do you happen to know what those are?  I see nothing specifically in syslog and kern.log
[19:18] <Luit> thiebaude: what's wrong with that?
[19:19] <thiebaude> Luit, some people say its bad to run partial updates
[19:19] <luca> thiebaude: open the package manager and see what it wants
[19:19] <thiebaude> 232mb of updates in 9.10
[19:20] <luca> thiebaude: sometimes for "partial update" it means that it has to remove/install some packages, nothing special
[19:20] <thiebaude> luca, ok i'll go with the updates
[19:20] <howd36> 232mb of updates is what I had right before it crashed :P
[19:20] <howd36> it wasn't a partial update though, so ignore me
[19:20] <luca> h00k_: I think it is linux-crashdump
[19:20] <thiebaude> howd36, yea, this is a fresh install
[19:21] <luca> h00k_ can't be sure because I never had to use it myself
[19:21] <howd36> Luit: I did not get to try yet as I don't want to mess about with it until I figure out how to back up my files
[19:21] <Luit> howd36: booting with the old kernel can't break much
[19:21] <howd36> I always remind myself to make backups, but I always forget :)
[19:22] <howd36> Luit: that is true
[19:22] <Luit> howd36: it's well worth a try, because with the old kernel running properly you can restart (continue) the update
[19:22] <thiebaude> partial update of 423 packages
[19:22] <Luit> (from the terminal running `sudo dpkg --configure -a`
[19:23] <howd36> and no one seems to know exactly how to access an encrypted home dir so I might as well try to get it booted again :(
[19:23] <thiebaude> Luit, yep, i remember that before when updates were interupted
[19:23] <luca> anyone knows how to check why my mp3 player is consistently mounted in read-only mode?
[19:24] <thiebaude> Luit, well, i see what happens when update manager is done
[19:24] <Luit> thiebaude: for me X didn't break completely (reboot made it work again) and Synaptic told me to do `dpkg --configure -a` to be able to use synaptic again
[19:26] <thiebaude> Luit, my only problem is when i gksudo nvidia-settings cant save resolution to X configuration
[19:27] <howd37> I don't even know how to get into the new grub2 boot menu :o
[19:28] <luca> howd37: count me too on that one
[19:29] <howd37> I managed to get into my tty1 now, but I can't log in because of the flickering! gah!
[19:29] <Veinor> For some reason after I upgraded to karmic I can't get sound out of my speakers.
[19:31] <wildweathel> howd37, luca: hold shift during boot to open grub2 menu.
[19:32] <howd37> ah, ty
[19:32] <luca> wildweathel: I meant something like the startup-manager for grub :)
[19:32] <luca> wildweathel in any case thanks
[19:32] <wildweathel> Ah, okay.
[19:33] <wildweathel> Veinor, what is your soundcard?
[19:33] <Luit> howd37: as soon as it starts GRUB, try hitting the Pause/Break key once
[19:34] <howd37> hm, it seems to be running kerneloops
[19:34] <wildweathel> Veinor: /proc/asound/cards
[19:34] <howd37> and cryptswap1 seems to be failing
[19:35] <howd37> there we go, recovery mode finally works - time to finish those packages :)
[19:35] <howd37> Luit: holding shift seems to work for me :)
[19:37] <luca> problem with the player solved, the fs had become corrupted, fsck and everything is fine
[19:38] <howd37> Luit: it seems part of the update was installing a new nvidia module, so what you were saying might be right (ignoring the whole intel chip counter-argument)
[19:41] <howd37> wb X
[19:45] <howd37> if only I knew what just happened so I could bugreport it properly ;o
[19:47] <luca> bye
[19:47] <wildweathel> Veinor, you there?
[19:47] <howd37> initramfs-tools might have been the cause here, Luit
[19:47] <howd37> can you confirm that package was part of your installation?
[19:49] <dpic> Where's the Gnome 3.0 PPA?
[19:50] <alex88> hi all
[19:52] <alex88> how can i change the boot image of 9.10? i've searched on google but haven't found anyresult
[19:52] <wildweathel> Boot image?
[19:52] <dpic> what do you mean, change it?
[19:52] <DanaG> grr, printing recently broke for me... but only for postscript printers.
[19:52] <DanaG> ps2pdf jashak06.ps
[19:52] <DanaG> Error: /invalidfont in /findfont
[19:52] <DanaG> Operand stack:
[19:52] <DanaG>    12   Helvetica
[19:52] <alex88> yeah..i want to make a personal one..
[19:53] <alex88> the actual is that one with the ubuntu log in white
[19:53] <alex88> *logo
[19:53] <wildweathel> Ah, The boot logo.  Interesting...
[19:53]  * wildweathel looks into it.
[19:54] <wildweathel> alex88, here you are: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplash
[19:54] <alex88> because now it doesn't use usplash..
[19:54] <wildweathel> Oh, spoke too soon, sorry.
[19:54] <alex88> wildweathel: it doesn't use usplash mor
[19:55] <dpic> anybody know what PPA to use for gnome 3.0?
[19:55] <virtuald> xsplash then
[19:55] <alex88> from wiki: Graphical boot splash that will be running on top of X-server, not Usplash
[19:55] <alex88> virtuald: i'll search for it
[19:58] <alex88> virtuald: found it..thanks..now i'll search in how make theme..thanks
[19:59] <wildweathel> Is it just me or did *everything* change from Jaunty to Karmic?  And all the docs need to be written.  Or am I just an idiot?
[20:00] <andreas_> hey...back to Ubuntu (after 6 month with Arch)...
[20:01] <wildweathel> It installed?  Congratulations.
[20:01] <andreas_> now what is the best way to uninstall packages? I wanna get rid of the gnome games....
[20:01] <aliendude5300> sudo apt-get purge [package]
[20:01] <andreas_> writing "sudo apt-get remove gnome-games" won't do the job...
[20:01] <andreas_> so "purge" ist better than "remove"?
[20:02] <Pici> They're different.
[20:02] <aliendude5300> purge deletes configuration files as well as what remove deletes
[20:02] <genii> with apt-get purge is not a command it's an additional option to remove as in apt-get remove --purge something
[20:02] <andreas_> in Arch it was "pacman -Rcsn package" to completely remove a packge with all it's dependencies..
[20:02] <Pici> Purge will not remove settings that are stored inside user's home directories. Which is the case with many gnome packages.
[20:03] <andreas_> ok...so that's what I need is "apt-get remove --purge pachagename"?
[20:03] <alex88> virtuald: but the xsplash is the animation before login..with brown background..i need the boot image..that one with the ubuntu white logo
[20:04] <aliendude5300> "           purge is identical to remove except that packages are removed and purged (any configuration files are deleted too)." -- man apt-get
[20:04] <andreas_> I did it with gnome-games but the games are still there...
[20:05] <andreas_> I checked the "new" software center but there I have to pick and delete every single one of them...
[20:05] <dpic> doesn't anybody know where the gnome 3 ppa is?
[20:05] <aliendude5300> andreas_: not a fan of games?
[20:05] <andreas_> I am a fan of games...but not these ones?
[20:05] <genii> andreas_: Even a purge does not remove stuff created in user's home directories or subdirs thereof
[20:05] <Pici> dpic: No, why not look through launchpad yourself for it?
[20:05] <genii> aliendude5300: Ah, nice.
[20:06] <andreas_> ok...so how do I get rid of all the gnome-games at once?
[20:06] <Pici> The gnome-games packages were split off into separate packages iirc.
[20:06] <dpic> Pici: because i <sarcasm>didn't</sarcasm> already try that
[20:06] <andreas_> Pici: I was affraid you'd say that ;-)
[20:07] <Pici> dpic: No need for the attitude.
[20:07] <thiebaude> !atttiude
[20:07] <thiebaude> !attitude
[20:07] <andreas_> but could it be that if I want to delete f-spot and write "sudo apt-get remove --purge f-spot" only one package is removed? are there no dependencies to be deleted with it?
[20:08] <Veinor> andreas_: it might be that all f-spot's dependencies are also depended on by other things
[20:08] <dpic> thiebaude: are you kidding? i was responding to a snarky comment
[20:08] <aliendude5300> you don't need to type apt-get remove --purge. apt-get purge works fine.
[20:08] <thiebaude> dpic, no i wasn't kidding
[20:09] <andreas_> is it just me or does the software center suck big time?
[20:09] <dpic> thiebaude: you can't tell everyone looking for help to go find out on their own
[20:09] <andreas_> why do I have to pick and install every single program?
[20:09] <dpic> and assume they haven't tried.
[20:10] <thiebaude> dpic, i understand what your saying
[20:10] <aliendude5300> andreas_ Sadly, I agree with you. I loved the old add/remove. I suggest using Synaptic to add/remove packages. That's what I do.
[20:10] <Finnish> Hmm, I can see my 250gb usb-drive in GParted, but it won't mount, I can't see it anywhere?
[20:11] <tonyyarusso> Finnish: Does it have a filesystem on it yet?
[20:11] <andreas_> ok...I now did "sudo apt-get purge empathy"...but when I check Synaptic it still shows me other packages like "empathy-doc"...
[20:11] <Finnish> tonyyarusso,  It's NFTS
[20:11] <thiebaude> dpic, hopefully many things will be fixed in 16 days
[20:11] <Finnish> tonyyarusso, And it's going to a windows-machine
[20:11] <andreas_> add/remove...I loved it...man do I miss it :-)
[20:11] <tonyyarusso> Finnish: can you mount it manually specifying the type?
[20:11] <Finnish> tonyyarusso, How?
[20:11] <dpic> thiebaude: <<..16 days>> was that meant for me?
[20:12] <coz_> hey guys..ok ctrl+alt+F1 now works  yay :)   but  how to enable log in as root there?
[20:12] <tonyyarusso> !ntfs | Finnish
[20:12] <MadsRH> Hi. I've got this weird issue where I have to constantly press ENTER during the Karmic boot and shutdown. Does anyone know why? If I stop, I'm stuck in console. Any ideas are welcome :'(
[20:12] <coz_> no login window under system/administration now
[20:13] <Pici> coz_: Login as yourself and use sudo
[20:13] <blackxored> hello
[20:14] <RediXe> I assume it is possible to get dual monitor working with the xserver-xorg-video-ati driver? Do I have to manually edit the xorg or is there a gui method? The gnome-display-properties doesn't appear to work for this.
[20:14] <andreas_> software center does the same...it removes only this one package and leaves the other packages that belong to it untouched...
[20:14] <blackxored> vmware server doesn't compile modules with latest 2.6.31 what can I do, where I can get feedback?
[20:14] <coz_> Pici,  that sounds fine  but I use root in the text console most of the time
[20:14] <andreas_> so my harddrive is full of stuff I don't need...great...
[20:14] <Pici> coz_: then use sudo -i, that will give you an 'interactive' session
[20:14] <coz_> Pici,  ok let me try that
[20:15] <wildweathel> dpic, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas?name_filter=gnome+3.0  Doesn't look like there is one.  You'll have to build from source.
[20:15] <coz_> Pici,  well that didnt work  i am logged in as my username right now
[20:15] <coz_> Pici, let me exit that
[20:16] <ior3k> did anyone else lose their mic after the last couple days?
[20:16] <Pici> coz_: If you're in the admin group and then you use sudo -i you will effectively become root.
[20:16] <Veinor> wildweathel: fixed it.
[20:16] <coz_> Pici,  my mistake   that did work thanks :)
[20:17] <wildweathel> Veinor, do you want help with filing a bug report?
[20:17] <Veinor> nah, it was a misconfiguration on my end
[20:17] <andreas_> wasn't there a command to clean the system of these residues? (like "sudo apt-get clean")
[20:18] <coz_> sudo apt-get autoclean  or    autoremove  different  functions
[20:18] <Pici> autoremove
[20:18] <Veinor> clean just removes stuff from the cache, autoremove is what you're looking for
[20:18] <alteregoa> the lunatic lemur is straight?
[20:18] <andreas_> autoremove didn't find anything...
[20:19] <wildweathel> Well, Ubuntu is supposed to just plain work.  If you have to mess with config files, it's (strictly speaking) a bug.
[20:19] <Veinor> wildweathel: more like "I had some config-file stuff that I needed in Jaunty that Karmic fixed"
[20:19] <andreas_> in that respect Arch was great..."pacman -Rcsn" and it was ALL gone...
[20:19] <aliendude5300> Suggestion: Have a right click function in the software store. When a user right clicks a package, have the options "Install Package" (or remove if it's already installed), "Mark for Installation", and "More Info" to see the description page for the package. That would make it much faster for power users to install and remove packages..
[20:19] <wildweathel> Ah, lol.  Thanks for humoring me.
[20:20] <Veinor> no problem.
[20:20]  * aliendude5300 is going to make a quick mockup of what he thinks the software store should look like in Java...
[20:21] <Finnish> tonyyarusso, Still no help
[20:21] <tonyyarusso> Finnish: what happened when you tried?
[20:21] <Finnish> I have installed ntfsprogs etc, but I can see it only in GParted and in terminal
[20:21] <Finnish> But I don't know how to mount it
[20:21] <Finnish> It's sdb1
[20:21] <tonyyarusso> Finnish: Are you aware of the 'mount' command?
[20:22] <Finnish> Yeah, I am, but It's a bit new to me
[20:22] <andreas_> when I click on my name on the top right corner to reboot...can I get rid of the 60seconds stuff?
[20:23] <tonyyarusso> Finnish: OK.  You should be able to get a read-only mount at least with something like 'mount -t ntfs /dev/sdb1 /media/createthisdir' - FUSE for ntfs-3g would be a little different
[20:24] <andreas_> ah...the package "gnome-games-common" removes all the games...who'd have thought that?
[20:24] <luca> hi everyone
[20:24] <RediXe> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver  (Does anyone know if this info is still valid in 9.10, I have X1300 trying to get dual monitor working)
[20:24] <thiebaude> luca, ciao
[20:24] <blackxored> anyone is running vmware server on karmic???
[20:24] <jimpop> andreas_, when you remove a common pkg it removes all dependencies
[20:24] <luca> am I the only one whose rhythmbox adds files to the mp3 player without creating the appropriate folders?
[20:25] <alteregoa> ok after version zird zebra, what folllows?
[20:25] <luca> hi thiebaude, hope your upgrade went well :)
[20:25] <maxstirner1> I wish I knew where these hardlocks are coming from...
[20:25] <alteregoa> aaronish aark?
[20:25] <andreas_> jimpop: seriously I didn't know that...thank you...
[20:25] <RediXe> brb
[20:25] <Veinor> alteregoa: then we start with greek
[20:25] <jimpop> andreas_, np
[20:25] <thiebaude> luca, in the process of installing, now , thanks
[20:25] <andreas_> jimpop: now I can get rid of the stuff I don't need...
[20:26] <jimpop> andreas_, :-) i do understand that.  Ubuntu is sort of bloated these days
[20:26] <wildweathel> RediXie, I have an x1400, and I've had dual monitor working before.  Haven't tested with Karmic yet, but it "should just work" ;)
[20:27]  * jimpop wonders if there is a bug already open on bloatedness
[20:27] <jimpop> :-)
[20:27] <andreas_> jimpop: especially when you previously had Arch Linux which gives you only a bash...
[20:27] <luca> anyone here using rhythmbox to put files into their mp3 players and finding it behaves strangely?
[20:27] <blackxored> will karmic include gnome-3.0 ???
[20:27] <cwillu_at_work> are question marks more meaningful in threes???
[20:28] <maxstirner1> maybe???
[20:28] <maxstirner1> :D
[20:28]  * cwillu_at_work wonders if jimpop has a good definition of bloatedness
[20:29]  * jimpop thinks that all unnecessary packages are bloat. YMMV 
[20:29] <wildweathel> blackxored, It's 2.28.0 now.  Seeing as we go into final freeze in a few hours, I can safely say "no".
[20:29] <blackxored> wildweathel, hehehe
[20:29]  * cwillu_at_work thinks jimpop's opinions on the matter should henceforth be heavily discounted
[20:29] <jimpop> :-)
[20:29] <blackxored> wildweathel, aren't ubuntu release schedules somehow based on gnome releases?? :P
[20:30] <wildweathel> Nope, every 6 months, whether you need it or not.
[20:30] <jimpop> ideally a base Ubuntu system shouldn't try to satisfy all of the preferences of all of the targeted users
[20:30] <cwillu_at_work> wildweathel, gnome's releases are every 6 months :p
[20:30] <blackxored> wildweathel, yes I know that but those months , weren't based on gnome releases somehow ;)
[20:30] <maxstirner1> there were some moves to synchronise it by shuttleworth
[20:30] <blackxored> wildweathel, I don't like gnome 3. that much just asking ;)
[20:31] <blackxored> wildweathel, I don't like the kde-like features that are going to be introduced ;)
[20:31] <blackxored> but i will like some, like the new scroll and the like :P
[20:31] <jimpop> cwillu_at_work,  if it weren't for the Ubuntu installer, one could install Ubuntu on a 1GB partition
[20:32] <andreas_> I have question about Wine...I'm running the 64bit Version and Karmic offers me to install Wine...since it is 32bit only does it install all the lib32-packages with it?
[20:32] <cwillu_at_work> jimpop, um, alternate cd and/or server install
[20:32] <jimpop> cwillu_at_work, Desktop
[20:32] <wildweathel> There's an alternate desktop cd.
[20:33] <cwillu_at_work> rather, the alternate cd will install a desktop
[20:33] <jimpop> gtk
[20:33] <natewiebe13> alright.. im trying to find something like this: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/usb-boot-cd-for-ubuntu-904/ for 9.10, karmic now uses grub2 so im prutty sure that this would either no longer work.. anyone have any ideas?
[20:34] <cwillu_at_work> nothing requires you to use grub2;  grub1 can't boot an ext4 partition without a separate boot drive, but that's the only issue
[20:34] <thiebaude> luca, everything works now, my resolution is set to what i want everytime i log in
[20:35] <luca> thiebaude: nice to hear that
[20:35]  * thiebaude fresh install 
[20:35]  * cwillu_at_work cries tears of joy:  when did metacity | general | resize_with_right_button come about?
[20:35] <luca> anyone here using rhythmbox?
[20:35] <andreas_> rebooting...
[20:35] <natewiebe13> anyone? ^
[20:35] <thiebaude> bbl
[20:35] <maxstirner1> luca: yes
[20:35] <wildweathel> Ah, cool, Gnome is on a 6-month release cycle, too.
[20:35]  * wildweathel has lost one point of nooblyness.
[20:36] <mac_v> !grub2 | natewiebe13
[20:36] <mac_v> natewiebe13: grub2 should work too
[20:36] <coz_> hey guys ..would someone open  Games/Chess  and see if it is a bit jerky for you?
[20:37] <natewiebe13> mac_v: so in theory, the instructions there should still work?
[20:37] <mac_v> yup
[20:37] <maxstirner1> coz_: not the least bit jerky
[20:37] <wildweathel> coz_, I'm on it.
[20:37] <coz_> maxstirner1,  mm  seems real jerky here but  it may be my card
[20:37] <natewiebe13> mac_v: thanks
[20:38] <mac_v> coz_: might be your graphics card
[20:38] <maxstirner1> which one you on? driver?
[20:38] <maxstirner1> radeon at this end
[20:38] <wildweathel> Oops.  I think I found a bug in gnomechess.
[20:38] <coz_> maxstirner1, old nvidia card because i good one popped two caps  and took monitor and memory with it :(
[20:39] <maxstirner1> :|
[20:39] <maxstirner1> oooooooooooops
[20:39] <maxstirner1> my karmic keeps crashing a lot, super annoying, was on bomb-proof 8.10 before
[20:39] <blackxored> should  I give a try to gnome-shell in karmic???
[20:39] <maxstirner1> can't find any bugs on this
[20:39] <philly_chk> I installed 9.10 today on a windows 7 machine using a onboard nvidia raid, but I installed it only a 3rd SATA drive.. but it borked all the OS's from running.. any ideas how to repair?
[20:39] <maxstirner1> philly_chk: could you not install wvista boot loader over the top using vista cd?
[20:39] <mbeierl> what is gnome-shell?
[20:40] <gregweb> Hi, using Karmic 9.10 beta, plasma-widget-networkmanagement disappeared, how to reaadd to system tray?
[20:40] <wildweathel> <<onboard nvidia raid>> oh, that sounds bad.  Was tha 3rd SATA drive part of the RAID?  If not, installing the vista boot loader will hopefully fix things.
[20:41] <philly_chk> maxstirnerl: I booted with the w7 rescue mode and it doesn't see it as a OS, but when I drop to the command line I can see the partitions (C,D), I can even see them from this CD-booted ubuntu
[20:41] <RediXe> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver  (Does anyone know if this info is still valid in 9.10, I have X1300 trying to get dual monitor working)
[20:41] <arakthor> Has anyone had any issues with eclipse plugin installationg in Karmic?
[20:41] <maxstirner1> philly_chk: does the ubuntu installer not recognise vista? if so, you could install ubuntu bootloader over top
[20:42] <blackxored> arakthor, yes it's a reported issue
[20:42] <wildweathel> RediXe, I think it should just work.  I have the mobile version of that card (X1400) with no problems under Jaunty.  I haven't tried using an external monitor yet on Karmic.
[20:42] <wildweathel> Have you tried it yet?
[20:43] <philly_chk> maxstirner1: I got no errors, when installing I saw all the partitions and chose the drive.. just when it reboot got the NO SYSTEM error, tried even juggling the boot order in BIOS and nada, I can't even "boot from 1st" partiton on the ubuntu CD
[20:43] <diwic> I see you're speaking of Grub 2...I have a problem; the latest kernel 2.6.31-14 does not show up in the menu, only -13, -12 and -11.
[20:44] <wildweathel> diwic, no error messages during install?
[20:44] <blackxored> diwic, sudo update-grub ??? :P
[20:44] <philly_chk> can you just install GRUB from the cd boot mode?
[20:44] <andreas_> which version of grub do I have installed? In Synaptics it says grub is installed and in not installed (left over) it says grub-pc 1.97...)
[20:44] <maxstirner1> philly_chk: sounds nasty.. seems ubuntu isntalled its boot loader - and failed
[20:44] <Pici> andreas_: 1.97 is grub2
[20:45] <andreas_> Pici: I know but it's unchecked here...
[20:45] <andreas_> so I have grub1 and not grub2, right?
[20:45] <philly_chk> maxstirner1: Hmm
[20:46] <diwic> wildweathel: well, it said something about "I cannot find /boot/grub/menu.lst, would you like me to create one for you?" and I picked the default (no)
[20:46] <andreas_> with which command can I check which version of grub is installed?
[20:46] <diwic> blackxored: result is http://paste.ubuntu.com/293406/ - but it does not help
[20:47] <blackxored> andersk, grub --version
[20:47] <wildweathel> diwic, it sounds like you have grub2, but menu.lst is a grub1 thing.
[20:47] <imessedup> hey guys, how do i enter recovery mode in new grub ? i messed up installing graphics drivers, and xfails, im not sure how do i enter recovery mode in new grub
[20:47] <RediXe> wildweathel, What do you mean by external monitor? I was about to use the proprietary driver in 8.10 but apparently 9.10 drops support for my card so I'm using the ati open source driver for the first time. I'm just getting mirrored screens (dual 22in)
[20:47] <wildweathel> imessedup, hold shift during boot.
[20:47] <blackxored> talking about grub I did a dist-upgrade, so how can I upgrade grub as well?
[20:48] <imessedup> wildweathel: thanks, ill try that now :]
[20:48] <coz_> hey guys  another question...anyone having issues with playing dvds  so far?  iam here
[20:48] <RediXe> wildweathel, I used to use the proprietary drivers in 8.10*
[20:48] <wildweathel> RediXe, external monitor is second monitor for us laptop folk.  I mean that using a previous version I had dual monitor working.  The free driver is quite good now.
[20:48] <blackxored> how I upgrade to grub2???
[20:48] <diwic> wildweathel: I tried startupmanager but I uninstalled it afterwards, could this have messed up my system?
[20:48] <RediXe> wildweathel, I'm not on a laptop
[20:48] <coz_> blackxored,  I believe karmic has grub2 already
[20:48] <blackxored> coz_, I did a dist-upgrade from jaunty, grub wasn't updated
[20:49] <blackxored> coz_, is intended behaviour but now I want to give grub2 a try :P\
[20:49] <coz_> blackxored,  oh ok   you might want to go to the #grub channel also
[20:49] <wildweathel> RediXe, Yes, but the X1400 (which I have) is the laptop version of the X1300 (what you have).
[20:49] <Pici> blackxored: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Installing%20/%20Upgrading
[20:49] <coz_> blackxored,  grub2 is way different especially editing grub
[20:49] <blackxored> coz_, this is karmic channel dude I need to ask here first ;) don't you think
[20:49] <RediXe> wildweathel, ahhh - sorry :P I usually don't use ati (on work machine)
[20:49] <blackxored> Pici, thanks :P
[20:50] <coz_> blackxored,  not necesarily    #grub will have just as much if not more info on this  as this channel if no one can help here
[20:50] <RediXe> wildweathel, well both monitors are working just in a mirrored view not a big desktop or something of the sort. The gnome-display-properties has the option to un-check "Mirrored Screen" but that doesn't appear to have any effect.
[20:51] <blackxored> coz_, I'm following Pici's link it's quite easy ;)
[20:51] <coz_> blackxored,  sounds like good advice
[20:51] <gregweb> Does someone have a hint how to get the network manager widget back in the system tray (it does not appear in the "Add Widget" dialog box, I'm on KUbuntu, KDE  4.3.2)
[20:51] <wildweathel> RediXe, that sounds like a bug then.  I'd try right now but a) that means unplugging from the internet (no wireless) and b) the family is using the TV right now.
[20:51] <wildweathel> gregweb, have you tried logging out and back in?
[20:52] <Veinor> woohoo, apt-getting upgrades at 80 Mbps
[20:52] <gregweb> wildweathel: yes, I rebooted (it happened when switching to another user)
[20:53] <gregweb> wildweathel: I meant: rebooted and it didn't help
[20:53] <diwic> wildweathel: seems like I somehow switched back to grub1...I'll try to upgrade again, thanks
[20:53] <wildweathel> Good luck, diwic.
[20:53] <RediXe> wildweathel, just some more info on it - I have to run sudo gnome-display-properties from terminal because running from the menu doesn't work. It launches but when it tries to write the virtual resolution it just locks up. sudo gets around this but again to no avail.
[20:54] <wildweathel> Wow, sounds like g-d-p is messed up.  I'll have to play with it tomorrow.
[20:54] <philly_chk> Whats the default su password on ubuntu?
[20:55] <RediXe> wildweathel, well it's not totally messed up - it rotates my monitors just fine :P
[20:55] <philly_chk> nothing like not being able to fix my own system lol
[20:55] <guntbert> !root | philly_chk
[20:55] <Veinor> philly_chk: use sudo with your own password
[20:55] <philly_chk> alrighty, thanks
[20:56] <wildweathel> gregweb, I'm looking into the networkmanager issue
[20:56] <wildweathel> Well, the widget.
[20:58] <gregweb> wildweathel: thanks, maybe it's a dock issue, I filed a bug report to launchpad with more information: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-networkmanagement/+bug/451537
[20:59] <gregweb> ubottu: yess
[20:59] <wildweathel> And I shall read it too my edification.
[20:59] <wildweathel> Also, ubottu, tell gregweb about ubottu
[20:59] <wildweathel> Ach,
[20:59] <wildweathel> !ubottu
[20:59] <ni1s> I've noticed that karmic doesnt have /etc/default/avahi-daemon, which I would need to have avahi working(dumb ISP domain'ing), how do I enable avahi (forcefully) in karmic?
[21:00] <gregweb> wilweathel: ;-)
[21:01] <jimpop> anybody know when Bug #393008 (gnome-power-manager) is going to be addressed?
[21:09] <blackxored> you can't use gnome-shell with compiz??
[21:09] <alex88> ok..i've got the xsplash image changed..but..i need to change the image that comes first
[21:10] <alex88> where is the gdm config file?
[21:10] <oorah> is the beta an improvement worth upgrading to right now?
[21:11] <evanpro> Things are broken.
[21:11] <wildweathel> oorah, I dunno.  It depends on you and your computer.  Do you like fixing stuff?
[21:11] <oorah> wildweathel, is there still stuff to fix? lol
[21:12] <oorah> wildweathel, how much faster is it?
[21:12] <guntbert> oorah: of course there is - what did you expect?
[21:12] <evanpro> I'm running Karmic, and when my system boots, it jams up and never finishes.
[21:12] <evanpro> If I run in recovery mode, I see the fsck line, then a note that my HD is "clean", then nothing happens.
[21:13] <wildweathel> See?
[21:13] <guntbert> evanpro: run fsck -f (for force)
[21:13] <wildweathel> Is there a good way to see the boot process?  xsplash is nice, but not for fixing stuff.
[21:13] <evanpro> guntbert, I've actually booted into a USB key and fsck'd  the HD manually.
[21:14] <gregweb> my machine boots fast, but sometimes xorg uses 99% cpu (mostly system) after having booted, need to reboot to "fix" it
[21:15] <guntbert> evanpro: yes, I thought so, but sometimes you have to tell fsck "yes, you shall really check the whole drive and not only the "clean" flag!"
[21:15] <evanpro> guntbert, OK, I'll give it a shot
[21:19] <oorah> is the beta a lot faster than the current version?
[21:19] <durt> Just did an update and rebooted, it took forever to boot, I don't know what it was doing as the screen was blank with a flickering cursor in the top left corner
[21:19] <andreas_> does startupmanager uninstall grub2 and install grub1?
[21:20] <wildweathel> durt, are you chatting on a different computer?
[21:20] <durt> andreas_, ya I think that happend to me
[21:20] <durt> wildweathel, yes
[21:20] <oorah> is the beta a lot faster than the current version?
[21:20] <andreas_> I thought grub2 is default...I've installed startupmanager and Synaptics shows me grub2 as "not installed (leftovers)"...
[21:21] <radix> so, karmic changed the default settings for auto-mounting of FAT32-formatted usb keys that I plug in so that the files are world-readable. Since I host my SSH private key on such a usb key, ssh-add fails to work. Is there a way to change the settings so that it auto-mounts this key with permissions restricted to the currently-logged-in user, like it used to do in older versions of Ubuntu?
[21:21] <andreas_> now I've installed grub-pc (which is the grub2 package) and grub and startupmanager are removed...
[21:21] <HoopyCat> oorah:  when dropped, they both fall at approx. the same rate
[21:21] <durt> andreas_ ya, a reinstall of grub2 worked fine for me
[21:21] <andreas_> worked...
[21:21] <wildweathel> durt: Try rebooting but remove quiet and splash from the end of the kernel command line.
[21:21] <wildweathel> So you can see what's happening.
[21:22] <durt> wildweathel, will do
[21:22] <andreas_> is there another app to configure grub2 the way startupmanager did?
[21:22] <oorah> how bout xubuntu beta? in the past i've seen no difference in boot speed
[21:22] <wildweathel> oorah, check out this wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/UsingDevelopmentReleases  It might be faster, but there's no guarantees but that it'll be buggy.
[21:22] <guntbert> oorah: install Virtualbox, build a VM and give it a try
[21:22]  * wildweathel seconds guntbert.
[21:23] <Brian_> was there just a big update?
[21:23] <guntbert> wildweathel: seems we scared oorah away - was not My intention
[21:23] <wildweathel> oops. :(
[21:24] <wildweathel> Netsplit?
[21:25] <Brian_> what the hell
[21:25] <guntbert> wildweathel: and the capital M wasn't intentional either :)
[21:25] <wildweathel> Anyway, Brian, I haven't seen a bigger than usual update.  It averages about 100MB of packages a day.
[21:25]  * Crashbit a drogarse → Tetrazepam+dexiubuprofeno+rabeprazol
[21:26] <wildweathel> Or a little less, if you don't upgrade every day.
[21:27] <rom> hi
[21:27] <wildweathel> !test
[21:27] <mersault> is anyone aware of a repo for more up to date xen packages? anyone maintaining a 3.4.1 or 3.4-testing repo anywhere?
[21:36] <wildweathel> mersault, now that the network's back to normal, you might want to re-ask your question.  (Sorry, I don't know)
[21:38] <arakthor> why do so few -dev packages in ubuntu include manpages?
[21:39] <tormod> does anyone know if/where the broken terminal bell has been reported?
[21:39] <wildweathel> I think it has been,
[21:39] <tormod> any idea which package?
[21:40] <wildweathel> bug 77010
[21:40] <tormod> wildweathel, thanks
[21:41] <tormod> well I don't get the beep, just a pop
[21:41] <bjsnider> arakthor, -dev packages only contain developmental headers. look for the manpage for the non-dev package
[21:42] <wildweathel> tormod, does happen when you play music, or only when your computer should be quiet?
[21:42] <tormod> wildweathel, when it should be quiet. music works fine.
[21:44] <tormod> if I trigger a system bell, I hear a loud pop, like something got plugged in, then it doesn't work for a while
[21:44] <tormod> "work" like in making a pop
[21:44] <radix> does anyone know what affects the permissions of an automounted FAT32 USB key when it's plugged in? I assume something in udev. I'd like to get the old behavior pre-karmic, where the permissions were restricted to the current user session, instead of world-readable.
[21:44] <wildweathel> tormod, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-July/009134.html  There's a test kernel there for you to try.  Before you start with that though, this problem can be temporarily fixed by editing /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf.  Comment out the last line and reboot.
[21:45] <ActionParsnip> radix: you can add extra mount options, like uid=1000   makes things nice
[21:45] <radix> ActionParsnip: where do I add those extra mount options?
[21:45] <tormod> wildweathel, uh that's from July. this appeared like 2 days ago. I'll try the alsa-base.conf though
[21:45] <wildweathel> tormod: Does it play sounds after making the pop.  Like if you trigger a bell (POP!) and then start some music, does it play?
[21:46] <tormod> I'll try
[21:46] <wildweathel> Unless you just switched to Karmic, it's probably another problem...
[21:46] <ActionParsnip> radix: when you mount the device
[21:46] <tormod> no I have been running karmic for months :)
[21:46] <SimFire> Hello Guys, do anyone of you have a problem with xorg taking 100% cpu and VT switching beeing disabled after upgrade to Kubuntu Karmic?
[21:47] <radix> ActionParsnip: like I said, the device is auto-mounted when I plug in the usb key. I'm not doing it explicitly.
[21:47] <shane2peru> does anyone know  what package copydir comes with? copydir is a command, but not sure what package to install to get it one my other box.
[21:47] <tormod> wildweathel, actually aplay only gives a pop
[21:47] <SimFire> tried google but found no good solution, only that some arch and debian people also seem to have the same problem with 4.3.2?
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> radix: sudo mkdir /media/usb; sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/usb -t vfat -o uid=1000,rw,user
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> radix: you may have to do it explicitly
[21:47] <radix> I'd rather not. :)
[21:48] <radix> That would mean I'd have to plug in the key, unmount it (after it being auto-mounted by udev, or whatever), then remount it with that command line, every time I want to use it.
[21:48] <wildweathel> tormod, How long of a sound file?  The problem I'm familiar with is that Karmic is powering down the soundcard amps.  They might take a second or two to turn back on.  If you only aplay a short clip, the card might not turn on fast enough to hear anything.
[21:48] <radix> I'm pretty sure there must be some way to change the default settings for how karmic auto-mounts a usb key.
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> if you arent getting the right access you will have to, you could add it to fstab using its UUID
[21:49] <cybersplice> Evening.
[21:49] <Jordan_U> radix: You can set extra mount options from nautilus, right click the volume and go to properties
[21:50] <cfurlin> I'm having a wireless problem with Karmic beta on a netbook. Wireless works fine when I run the OS from the USB stick, but after installing the OS from the stick, no more wireless. Anyone know why that would be?
[21:50] <radix> Jordan_U: I thought that would be possible, but I don't see anything about mount options in that window.
[21:50] <tormod> wildweathel, could be that. I play a longer piece, and starting/stopping makes a pop if I pause it too long
[21:50] <wildweathel> but, do you get sound when you play something longer?
[21:51] <Jordan_U> radix: The settings drop down in the disk or volume tabs
[21:52] <tormod> wildweathel, yes I get sound then, but with a pop when I resume after a long pause
[21:52] <wildweathel> Lets see if changing alsa-base.conf fixes it.
[21:52] <radix> Jordan_U: I don't have either of those tabs. I'm navigating to /media with nautilus and right-clicking on the mount point and going to "Properties". Maybe I need to navigate to the properties window some other way?
[21:53] <tormod> wildweathel, seems like threshold is between 10 and 15 seconds (of pause=
[21:53] <Jordan_U> radix: Go to Places > Computer
[21:53] <wildweathel> tormod: Default in alsa-base.conf is to power down after 10 seconds.
[21:53] <radix> Jordan_U: aha, okay.
[21:53] <tormod> wildweathel, aha
[21:54] <grusum> I seem to be stuck at 2.6.31-12 even tho 2.6.31-13 and 14 are in /var/cache/apt/archives... anyone know how to update to newer kernels ?
[21:54] <radix> Jordan_U: hmm... still no difference. I only see the usual tabs that I get with any folder. Basic, Emblems, Permissions, Open With, and Notes. nothing about mount options.
[21:54] <ActionParsnip> grusum: tell apt-get to install it
[21:54] <joaopinto> grusum, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:55] <radix> Jordan_U: I'm also totally up-to-date on karmic; I just updated half an hour ago.
[21:55] <ActionParsnip> grusum: sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.31-13-generic
[21:55] <grusum> have used Synaptic Pkg Manager but never requires reboot nor do it evidently install it...
[21:56] <SimFire> Any Kubuntu Karmic user who have this 100% CPU xorg problem after upgrade? http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=81798 ?
[21:56] <Jordan_U> radix: Do you see an icon on the desktop for your thumb drive? The key is that it's a property of nautilus's idea of the volume, not a property of the directory that happens to be the mountpoint
[21:56] <tormod> wildweathel, yes it was the powerdown option. thanks a bunch!
[21:56] <rom> there is no remaining battery prediction
[21:56] <rom> anymore :(
[21:57] <radix> Jordan_U: yeah, there's a volume icon on my desktop when I plug it in too. right-click -> properties on that is the same. Tabs are: Basic, Emblems, Permissions, Notes.
[21:57] <radix> Jordan_U: If you're seeing something different with a usb thumb drive then something's pretty strange...
[21:57] <wildweathel> tormod: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-July/009134.html for bug-report instructions.  The test kernels are only for 64 bit, so if you're on 32, that will be it for now.
[21:57] <tormod> yes I am on 32bit
[21:58] <Jordan_U> radix: That's how it is in Jaunty, if it's not that way in karmic Gnome either removed the feature or more likely it's a bug
[21:58] <dupondje> hmz, sdems like I can't open PDF documents anymore
[21:58] <dupondje> the link to 'document viewer' is gone
[21:58] <dupondje> any idea how to put it back ?
[21:59] <radix> Jordan_U: oh, you're running jaunty still? yeah, I think I seem to remember seeing mount options in older versions of Ubuntu.
[21:59] <radix> that's why I was kind of lost after upgrading to karmic.
[21:59] <thiebaude> dupondje, do you have evince installed?
[21:59] <BluesKaj> has anyone managed to remove/purge pulseaudio modules from his/her setup , without wrecking alsa ?
[22:00] <dupondje> thiebaude: yep
[22:00] <radix> Jordan_U: it may have been removed since the bigger focus on udev in this release (?)
[22:00] <wildweathel> dupondje: Try running evince in a terminal.
[22:00] <wildweathel> Does it open?
[22:00] <Jordan_U> radix: Oh, now I remember. I think you can change mount options in Palimpsest
[22:01]  * radix apt-cache search
[22:01] <radix> nothing...?
[22:01] <dupondje> wildweathel: yep, without problem
[22:01] <Jordan_U> radix: It's installed by default in karmic, don't remember what the menu entry is named
[22:01] <radix> oh, typo
[22:01] <wildweathel> dupondje: Okay, now if you right-click on a pdf?
[22:02] <radix> Jordan_U: ah, "Disk Utility". Yeah, I already came across that, and couldn't find any place in it to change m ount options.
[22:02] <grusum> actionParsnip: when I do sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.31-14-generic it says  "That 2.6.31-14 is already the newest version" but uname -r says I's using -12
[22:02] <dupondje> wildweathel: the link seems back ...
[22:02] <wildweathel> Link?
[22:03] <dupondje> well pdf evince ... :)
[22:03] <dupondje> file association :)
[22:03] <wildweathel> Oh, it works now?  Don't sneeze!
[22:03] <radix> Jordan_U: it only lets me... change the filesystem type and the label. and delete the volume or make it bootable.
[22:03] <radix> Jordan_U: by the way, thanks very much for chatting about this :)
[22:04] <Jordan_U> radix: np, hopefully I can find something helpfull to say eventually :)
[22:04] <Trizicus> After installing Ubuntu and trying to boot in Vista and restarting and trying to boot into vista again the Vista loading screen appears then my computer just reboots. How could I fix this?
[22:04] <ubox> has anyone else experienced a problem with firefox 3.5? not automatically knowing what to open things with
[22:05] <mersault> is anyone aware of a repo for more up to date xen packages? anyone maintaining a 3.4.1 or 3.4-testing repo anywhere?
[22:05] <grusum> anyone help with updating to newer kernel??/ I seem to be stuck at 2.6.31-12 ??? even though apt-get says 2.6.31-14 is already installed
[22:05] <dupondje> grusum: try to run update-grub
[22:05] <radix> Jordan_U: do you have any suggestions on packages I might file bugs or ask Questions against in launchpad?
[22:05] <ldeveaux> hello! I'm using Kubuntu Karmic Beta. How can I force all connections to pass through a SOCKS 5 proxy? thanks in advance
[22:05] <ubox> grusum, .. beat me to it dupondje
[22:06] <RediXe> wildweathel, well, I just realized that I didn't update after installing >< going to see any updates will help with the dual monitor and gnome-display-properties
[22:06] <grusum> aha - says my /usr is broken
[22:06] <wildweathel> RediXe, good idea! ;)
[22:06] <wildweathel> grusum, could you pastebin?
[22:06] <Trizicus> After installing Ubuntu and trying to boot in Vista and restarting and trying to boot into vista again the Vista loading screen appears then my computer just reboots. How could I fix this?
[22:07] <grusum> wildwathel - never have done it before... this first time here tooo.....
[22:07] <wildweathel> !pb | grusum
[22:08] <dupondje> long live ubuntu :)
[22:08] <dupondje> trying to fix Windows installation here
[22:08] <dupondje> it gives 'Error while installing
[22:08] <dupondje> great error description ;)
[22:08] <wildweathel> dupondje, the Windows installer?
[22:09] <dupondje> just windows crap :) no ubuntu involved :p
[22:09] <dupondje> btw, somebody has Thunderbird installed ?
[22:10] <dupondje> need to get something confirmed :)
[22:10] <Trizicus> After installing Ubuntu and trying to boot in Vista and restarting and trying to boot into vista again the Vista loading screen appears then my computer just reboots. How could I fix this?
[22:10] <wildweathel> Trizicus, did you install Vista first?
[22:10] <Trizicus> yes
[22:11] <wildweathel> Did you resize the partition?
[22:12] <dupondje> Trizicus: but you get Vista boot screen ?
[22:12] <SimFire> just killed xorg and now cpu usage for xorg is back to normal in kde, which is good, but i don't know what the problem is?
[22:12] <Trizicus> Yes I get the bootscreen then the computer just restarts
[22:12] <dupondje> SimFire: try checking xorg logs
[22:12] <dupondje> Trizicus: try safe mode ?
[22:12] <Trizicus> Same thing
[22:12] <Trizicus> Vista cant even repair itself with the DVD
[22:13] <dupondje> Trizicus: its time to fully move to Ubuntu then ;)
[22:14] <Trizicus> This is basically my problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=552398
[22:14] <ubox> scary, i tried to see my display settings and everything went nuts, grew large and unresponsive
[22:15] <ubox> i guess next time i will use nvidia's tools
[22:16] <wildweathel> Trizicus, if the DVD doesn't repair, I don't see what your options are other than re-installing Vista or asking MS's tech-support.  (Oh, they'll love you...)
[22:16] <Trizicus> nty
[22:16] <Trizicus> it's an obv vista problem
[22:17] <lucas_> hello i have a problem! http://paste.ubuntu.com/293460/
[22:17] <lucas_> i dont know whats wrong
[22:19] <wildweathel> lucas, My Spanish is bad, but it looks like dpkg is broken.  Anyone here know how to deal with that?
[22:19] <lucas_> no idea about it??
[22:20] <wildweathel> Fortunately, I haven't run into anything like that yet.
[22:20] <lucas_> guys?
[22:22] <Vipan> Hi all
[22:23] <joebodo> !hi | vipan
[22:23] <Vipan> I wonde if any of you have had any issues when upgrading Jaunty to Karmic Beta ?
[22:23] <wildweathel> lucas, the first thing I'd want to do is get the english error message and google it.
[22:24] <joebodo> lucas
[22:25] <joebodo> lucas normally, running if sudo apt-get update fails, it will tell you want to run to fix the error
[22:25] <yofel> jussi01: wildweathel: lucas_ is already gone...
[22:25] <yofel> joaopinto: ^^^
[22:26] <Jordan_U> radix: Looks like the package that provided that functionality for nautilus was gnome-mount, which indeed uses hal
[22:26] <wildweathel> Too bad.
[22:26] <radix> Jordan_U: I think this might be something about the switch to devicekit-disks?
[22:26] <Jordan_U> radix: Yes, since hal is depricated, so are utilities that depend on hal, like gnome-mount
[22:27] <radix> ahhh, right, ok.
[22:27] <radix> Jordan_U: so, I'm currently composing a Question for devicekit-disks on launchpad
[22:28] <Vipan> i heard about changes to ext4 in Karmic, did anyone notice a performance difference on that ? and also, is Karmic that much faster as some people claim or is it just like always ?
[22:28] <ubox> vipan, i think it is very much faster
[22:28] <ubox> especially start up
[22:28] <yofel> Vipan: the ext4 changes for karmic are more stability than performance related, but boot is definitely faster now
[22:29] <joaopinto> Vipan, karmic just uses ext4 as default, ext4 was already available on jaunty
[22:29] <wildweathel> Vipan, boot is faster, but it downloads just as slow over Roadrunner :p
[22:30] <joebodo> Vipan, from what i know, you need to do a fresh install to get the full benefits of ext4 (and you'll get grub2 also)
[22:30] <joaopinto> well, is not about a fresh install, but an ext4 formatted filesystem :P
[22:30] <NoelJB> dtchen, do you have an open bug on the fact that the "beep muted on boot" bug is back?
[22:30] <joebodo> joaopinto, i suppose you could convert each file system over manually
[22:31] <joaopinto> joebodo, you can, but you don't get the performance improvement
[22:31] <joebodo> joaopinto, so i guess that leaves a fresh install as about the only optin
[22:31] <joebodo> *option*
[22:32] <joaopinto> joebodo, not really, you can backup your data, reformat as ext4 and restore
[22:32] <joaopinto> joebodo, which actually is the required option for /home
[22:33] <joebodo> joaopinto, got it  - thx
[22:34] <radix> Jordan_U: In case you're curious, I've filed the question: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/devicekit-disks/+question/85848
[22:34] <radix> Jordan_U: thanks again for the guiding :)
[22:35] <sebsebseb> hi
[22:37] <ubox> general computing question
[22:37] <ioka> guys I can not install the beta 9.10 from the usb drive
[22:37] <ioka> it gives me I/O error
[22:37] <ubox> my laptop supports 2gb 667mhz ram, it has 1gb 3xxmhz currently. will one 2gb @667mhz see a large performance boost?
[22:38] <joaopinto> !ot | ubottu
[22:38] <ioka> I try to change to ext3 also.Same thing I/O error
[22:38] <ubox> or is two 1gb667 sticks better?
[22:38] <joaopinto> ubox, try #hardware
[22:38] <ioka> maybe ubuntu copies the files from the usb drive too fast and my usb pen can not handle it.Any ideas?
[22:39] <yofel> ioka: did you verify the cd image with md5sum after downloading it, or did you check it before booting it?
[22:39] <ubox> thanks joapinto
[22:39] <ioka> this happens at 45% of installation
[22:39] <ioka> there is no md5sum for the beta iso
[22:39] <yofel> ioka: yes, that can happen with a bad image
[22:39] <yofel> ioka: there is
[22:39] <ioka> where I can not find it
[22:40] <sebsebseb> ioka: installing the beta now hmm when the release is not that far away
[22:40] <sebsebseb> maybe better to just wait untill the relase
[22:40] <ioka> 2 weeks?
[22:40] <yofel> ioka: you might want to try a daily image
[22:40] <sebsebseb> 29th October
[22:40] <yofel> !daily | ioka
[22:40] <yofel> ioka: with this you won't have to install that many updates
[22:41] <ioka> what is the different between tht two links?
[22:41] <ioka> *difference
[22:41] <yofel> ioka: one is the text mode install, one is the live disk
[22:41] <ioka> ok do not what text mode is, so I'll try the live install
[22:42] <ioka> 10x
[22:45] <yofel> ioka: and for the next time: on the beta page, when you get to the download page with the iso files there are md5 and sha checksum files on top of the list
[22:47] <douglasawh-work> did anybody else see Linux Outlaws' Dan post to identi.ca about install problems? has anyone else seen similar?
[22:47] <ioka> I download not from this page.I used mirror I think.One question.I have a amd athlon .How can I check weather if it is full 64 bit processor, so I can use the advantages from the ubuntu 64?
[22:48] <yofel> ioka: not sure... depends on what athlon it is.
[22:50] <ioka> windows says amd athlon(tm) 64 processor 3200+
[22:51] <ubox> that is 64bit ioka
[22:52] <ubox> if in doubt try out the 64bit live cd
[22:52] <ubox> but that is the same as mine
[22:53] <ioka> there are no mirrors for the daily builds, right?
[22:53] <ubox> yes.. one sec
[22:53] <ubox> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[22:55] <ChogyDan> anyone know the process by with one could fix a ftbfs error?  Fixing compile errors sounds easy enough, but I really don't know the process.  I assume that I can apt-get source the packages, run the make file, fix the errors, but then what?
[22:56] <yofel> ChogyDan: if you want to build a package locally, you run apt-get source <package> , go into the source directory and run 'debuild' there, that will compile the app and build the .deb files
[22:57] <yofel> ChogyDan: you'll get signature failures at the end, you can ignore those
[22:57] <ChogyDan> yofel: ok.
[22:58] <Amaranth> ChogyDan: If you fix the problems make a diff of your changes
[22:59] <Amaranth> ChogyDan: What I do in those cases is fix the problems then rename the directory to foo-0.1.1.new then apt-get source foo again which will give you a new foo-0.1.1
[22:59] <Amaranth> ChogyDan: then you can diff the two (but be sure to only diff the files you edited)
[22:59] <ChogyDan> Amaranth: ok
[23:01] <Sh4wn> Ok guys, I did a "partial upgrade" because a lot of updates came in recently, but now my karmic installation is broken. I tried to fix it, by going into recovery mode, and run dpkg fix. Unfortunateley, networking doesn't work, so dpkg can't get any packages. I tried to run the net root, connect to my wireless by running iwconfig wlan0 essid "My SSID", iwconfig wlan0 ap mac-address, dhclient wlan0, but dhclient doesn't get any DHCPOFFER's, so no network. ->
[23:01] <Sh4wn>  can't fix my installation
[23:02] <ChogyDan> ls
[23:02] <ChogyDan> oops, wc
[23:04] <Sh4wn> why does the netroot have no networking?
[23:04] <Sh4wn> with only wireless available
[23:04] <RussellAlan> I think Karmic is reading my mind.
[23:04] <RussellAlan> It's altering settings when I think about altering them.
[23:05] <jemark> since one of the latest update i have sometimes a system beep and i can't turn it off :(
[23:06] <NoelJB> yofel, not to mention having to get the build dependencies for that package.
[23:06] <jemark> when I turn the laptop off and when there is a warning... it's veryy load
[23:06] <jemark> loud
[23:06] <yofel> NoelJB: oops, yes ^^
[23:07] <Sh4wn> anybody an answer on my question? :)
[23:08] <ChogyDan> Sh4wn: have you thought about using a livecd?
[23:08] <Sh4wn> and then reinstalling ChogyDan ?
[23:09] <ChogyDan> Sh4wn: well, no, I was thinking of just fixing the apt/dpkg errors you were having
[23:09] <NoelJB> Sh4wn, I don't suppose starting with DON'T DO THAT (partial upgrades) unless you really really really know you're sure helps?
[23:10] <Sh4wn> Ubuntu actually came with it, I though it would be the best way
[23:10] <NoelJB> Sh4wn, one problem is that the wireless networking is probably waiting to be told by the network manager to start, and that would be kicked off by the gnome session.
[23:10] <ChogyDan> Sh4wn: you should be able to bootup, chroot into your drive, and then run apt upgrade, reconfigures whatever
[23:10] <Sh4wn> ChogyDan ah ok
[23:11] <Sh4wn> will try, but I don't have any empty cd's at the moment, should order some new :')
[23:11] <Sh4wn> NoelJB is it possible to start it manually?
[23:11] <RussellAlan> ound through flash players in the browser doesnt work.
[23:11] <RussellAlan> Sound*
[23:11] <RussellAlan> Anyone know what this can be caused from
[23:11] <RussellAlan> Firefox*
[23:11] <ChogyDan> Sh4wn: I use usb drives and rw cds  :(
[23:12] <phako> if totem or wine apps always change my desktop settings (from external monitor only to extended on notebook and external) - against what package exactly would I file a bug?
[23:12] <NoelJB> Sh4wn, drop by #nm.  answer is yes, but the person best able to tell you how is there right now.
[23:15] <RediXe> wildweathel, If your still around .. after updating I got dual monitors :) ... but I seem to have lost the option to rotate the monitor to the left or right .. only normal and upside down ... would like to rotate one to the left .. any idea's on how to do this?
[23:16] <ioka> is unetbootin reliable for making live usb with ubuntu under windows? maybe unetbootin is causing problems and that's why I can not install it from the usb
[23:18] <alteregoa> ok i use almost lunatic lemur, and i have a problem
[23:22] <Uschi_> hi there, I experience a painful slow wireless networking with karmic, using ipw3945
[23:26] <RediXe> wildweathel, oh yeah - that update helped a lot :P just missing the rotate left/right option and the 2nd monitor seems to flicker on and off every so often (didn't do that before)
[23:27] <joseantoniordlmc> hi
[23:28] <komputes> How do you disable the X buffer/paste (middle click, or R+L =middleclick emulation) in Kasrmic? (w/o editing xorg.conf since it doesn't exist)
[23:30] <joseantoniordlmc> does anyone know hot to enable the desktop effects
[23:31] <joseantoniordlmc> ia alredy installed the nvidia drivers
[23:32] <joseantoniordlmc> does anyone know how to enable the desktop effects
[23:33] <bjsnider> system>preferences>appearance>visual effects
[23:34] <chuck_phl> Anyone here dual boot windows 7 and 9.10?
[23:43] <phako> chuck_phl: yes, me
[23:45] <chuck_phl> phako: No issue with W7 bootloader taking a crap?  I had to screw with DISKPART and boosec to just get w7 booting again, I never saw the grub loader, both OS's wouldnt work
[23:46] <chuck_phl> phako: I have an odd disk setup I guess, 3 drives 2 in a RAID and 3rd just a JBOD single
[23:48] <_tuxxy> any news on the flash problem yet guys
[23:50] <ioka> what flash problem?
[23:50] <thiebaude> _tuxxy, i didn't know there was a flash problem
[23:50] <_tuxxy> the 64-bit flash doesnt work properly
[23:50] <_tuxxy> the adobe plugin
[23:51] <_tuxxy> youtube videos wont respond to liek the play and time trackers and also on other flash pages it doesnt recognize any clicks
[23:52] <ioka> yes i have one . it says corruped package bad consistency.I do not know how to fix it.Dicided to leave it that way
[23:52] <_tuxxy> anyone here on 64-bit try flash on youtube quick
[23:54] <chuck_phl> is there a wubi for 9.10? I guess i'm too retarded to install linux the old fasioned way lol
[23:54] <ioka> there is a wubi in every live iso
[23:54] <thiebaude> !wubi
[23:54] <ioka> just open it with demon tools
[23:55] <ioka> and activate wibi
[23:55] <chuck_phl> thx
[23:56] <leaf-sheep> chuck_phl: You make me sad. :(
[23:56] <_tuxxy> maybe i should make a bug for this flash error then but the flash plugin im using is adobe 64-bit and dont think its in the repos =/
[23:59] <chuck_phl> leaf-sheep: why's that leaf? cause I just spent a few hours getting my windows 7 to boot again after ubuntu borked my bootloader with no error messages or anything working.  all the info I google has help for 9.04 + vista/7 or simpler installs
[23:59] <leaf-sheep> chuck_phl: You called linux retarded. :(