[00:33] TheMuso, hey was wondering what happened with pulse / rtkit. Last time we spoke, you mentioned that you'd be uploading a version of pulse without the rtkit dependency? [00:36] awe: Right, I'll upload pulse with the dep removed today. I was waiting to see if there was anything else that had to be pushed as well. [00:36] TheMuso, ok, cool... I checked it earlier today and notice it was still there, so just wanted to double-check with you. [00:37] TheMuso, been playing drums at all lately? UDSJam looks like it may happen again in Dallas. [00:42] awe: No, as I don't have access to a kit. I am moving to a new place in a couple of months so don't have the money to get one either, although I do intend to save to get one. [00:43] awe: As for the jam, thats cool. [00:44] TheMuso, ah, ok. Well, we'll have pete's electronic kit setup all week for practice [00:44] right but I am not sure I'll bother. After playing that, I never want to play rubber pads for a kit again. [00:44] TheMuso, we're trying to work some kinks out of the whole thing so that we can get more community involvement, but also still entertain folks [00:44] doh [00:44] great [00:45] well, we'll have a keyboard too! [00:45] thats good [00:45] anyways, thanks for the rtkit info [00:45] np [00:45] time for dinner [04:11] TheMuso: fixed alsa-utils, pushed to my bzr branch and uploaded to the PPA. Sorry, I really did test across Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu on three different machines before making that change. [04:13] dtchen: np [04:13] dtchen: I'll give it a few hours to get tested by users. I'll upload it late this evening so it can be given a chance to be tested. [04:18] TheMuso: thanks [04:55] robert_ancell: Welcome back. [04:59] TheMuso, hey, gdm testing... [05:00] robert_ancell: No the fact you haven't been online all day. I thought you had an ISP outage. [05:01] TheMuso, I was on this morning but I have to keep restarting X to test GDM [05:18] dobey: around? [05:28] robert_ancell: ah ok. I hope your connectivity is better today in any case. [05:45] robert_ancell: if you had another machine you could run bip or some such:) [05:46] lifeless, bip? [05:48] apt-cache show bip [05:49] hi all [05:50] i have a question about dual monitors i cant get it to function right [05:51] i am on a laptop with a nvidia video card so to change display settings it is done under nvidia x server settings [05:51] do i need to set it as twin view in configuration or spread x screen for an extended desktop... but leave the laptop panel as the main screen [05:53] when i set it to twin view extended desktop works fine except it makes my lower task bar go to the second screen and top bar go to the second screen. my desktop icons remain on the first screen [05:53] ok weird.. [05:53] when it asked me if it was ok i said cancel [05:54] and then did it again and now everything works perfecct [06:00] !topic | Jack87 [06:00] Jack87: Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic [06:41] robert_ancell, perhaps you might be able to help with a question i've got. i've got an app that i'm running on both xfce and gnome. on xfce, button images show up on my buttons, but not on gnome. is there a gtk property somewhere i'm missing that needs to be set and is normally overridden in a gnome environment? [06:42] superm1, gconf key /desktop/gnome/interface/buttons_have_icons [06:43] The GNOME default is no icons, I'm not sure what sets it [06:43] robert_ancell, ah ha! [06:43] is there a way to override it on a per-application basis then? [06:44] superm1, I don't think so but you can mark the buttons as requiring their icon [06:44] * robert_ancell looking... [06:45] superm1, this may help: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/GtkSettings.html#GtkSettings--gtk-button-images [06:45] robert_ancell, great thanks. definitely a step in the right direction [06:45] superm1, ah I found it, it is for menus you can explicitly require the image: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/GtkImageMenuItem.html#gtk-image-menu-item-get-always-show-image [06:46] robert_ancell, oh but shame, such a thing doesn't exist for buttons huh. [06:47] superm1, if you really needed the icon you could make a button with a HBox with the image and label explicitly provided (yuck) [06:47] robert_ancell, yeah i've got a few buttons that i had done that, and this explains why those were still working on gnome === Richie is now known as YDdraigGoch [07:16] kenvandine, About bug #435329: I hope last comment is a joke, right? [07:16] Launchpad bug 435329 in empathy "Empathy is unusable if indicator applet is not on the panel" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/435329 [07:16] kenvandine, really if that can't be fixed please just drop your empathy patch === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [08:09] anyone know where i can find Kees Cook? [08:39] bryce_, the radeon KMS seems to be working really well! [08:42] Good morning [08:45] hey pitti [08:45] lut seb128 [08:46] hey didrocks, everybody [08:49] meld upstream is really responsive :) [08:50] good morning everyone [08:50] robert_ancell, excellent [08:50] hello chrisccoulson :) [08:50] hello didrocks! [08:51] bryce_, I've noticed that text mode is still broken without KMS... Do I file that against xorg or the kernel? [08:51] kernel [08:51] bryce_, and the kernel directly or the radeon module? [08:53] hey pitti, i will apply your other g-p-m patch later if hughsie hasn't done already [08:54] chrisccoulson: good morning [08:54] chrisccoulson: thanks! [08:54] chrisccoulson: no, I just git fetched/rebased, not done yet [08:54] * robert_ancell is not looking forward to pushing all the gdm patches upstream after Karmic is released - we're carrying 26 at the moment [08:54] chrisccoulson: so I guess the "error == NULL" fix is optional now [08:54] you should apply for GIT access though:) [08:54] robert_ancell: many of them should already be in an upstream bug, though [08:54] yeah, i think so [08:55] robert_ancell: at least I usually forward mine, and tag them with the upstream bug [08:55] pitti, yeah but most of them require massaging to be committed :) [08:55] pitti, you're not going to like the hack to make the guest session switch - there's some aweful bug deep down I can't find so I've worked around it... [08:56] hey chrisccoulson pitti robert_ancell [08:56] chrisccoulson, pitti: good work on this gpm bug! [08:56] seb128, hey [08:57] hey seb128 [08:57] robert_ancell, we already pushed a good part of the gdm work upstream no? [08:57] they just suck at reviewing those [08:57] upstream GDM? [08:57] yes [08:57] noone reviewed my patch to port the greeter to dk-power yet [08:58] and i submtted that ages ago! [08:58] seb128, yeah most of it's just sitting there. They seem to want it to be perfect before they commit though so there's some stuff to change there [08:58] I think I'm going to try and be a GDM developer this cycle so we can get some progress [08:59] robert_ancell, well we have also easy ones which could be commited and that nobody reviewed [08:59] robert_ancell, and they clearly don't read bugzilla since they asked me the bzr command to get the ubuntu source because they wanted to look at the power action menu change [08:59] ie they didn't notice it was in bugzilla [08:59] seb128, ah you said earlier - I couldn't see any comments on the bugzlilla bug [09:00] there's a pile of bugs in that bugzilla that should be closed, all the 2.20 stuff [09:00] right [09:00] afaik everyone is using the head now right? It was just us and Sun using 2.20? [09:01] though some distro still use 2.20 and the old maintainer still roll tarballs [09:01] robert_ancell, no, debian still use 2.20 [09:01] not sure about Sun I think they need to multiseat work to land [09:01] which didn't happen for 2.28 [09:01] but maybe they have their own version now with those changes [09:01] the work that is being committed seems to be coming from sun so I guess they're planning to get the new one [09:02] oh, robert_ancell fixed the gdm translation issue I had on my list for today [09:02] one less thing to do ;-) [09:02] robert_ancell, right, I was just wondering if they will use this cycle [09:02] seb128, oh I was going to ask - how do we get the 2.28.1 releases in in time? Aren't they released after the final freeze? [09:02] or if that's still work in progress there [09:03] robert_ancell, we have a sort of standing exception [09:03] seb128, yeah dunno. Don't know what cycle they run on [09:03] seb128, so when is the final final freeze? [09:03] robert_ancell, let's say we will package only bug fix tarballs and not weird change and get those reviewed and aceepted [09:03] (i.e. the CD making time) [09:03] robert_ancell, around thursday or wednesday next week I would say [09:04] dpm, hi [09:04] seb128, sure, that's what .1 release is _supposed_ to be right? I pushed all the .1 changes on gcalctool as .deb patches because I wasn't sure they were going to get in in time!! [09:04] dpm, I think you forgot about gdmsetup? I did email the translator about it meanwhile now [09:04] * robert_ancell thanks the testers who find calculation bugs at the 11th hour [09:04] robert_ancell, usually tarballs are rolled on monday [09:05] robert_ancell, and all hands are on deck to get those in quickly [09:05] seb128, hey, good morning sorry for not having been too responsive last week, I was at a sprint. I noticed your e-mail on ubuntu-translators. Thanks a lot [09:05] dpm, no problem, you're welcome [09:05] robert_ancell, let's say we have monday european time and your thursday to get those updates [09:06] ie we will do sponsoring for you on thursday morning [09:06] seb128, so the 22nd, "ReleaseCandidate" is the really final freeze [09:06] and that be done with what we can get in [09:06] robert_ancell, release candidate is "if nothing is screwed that will be karmic" [09:06] robert_ancell, ie no image respin if there is no reason to do one [09:07] seb128, desktop team lives on the edge :) [09:07] robert_ancell, yes ;-) [09:07] seb128: hi... Where can i find Kees Cook? [09:07] mac_v, he's kees on this IRC [09:07] mac_v, #ubuntu-devel for example [09:07] mac_v, but it's probably after work hour for him now [09:07] oh devel.. thanks [09:08] pitti, do you have any ideas about bug 292533 - if you restart your box in the middle of a guest session you can never start another as the user account is already there. Is this a pre-Karmic issue? [09:08] Launchpad bug 292533 in gdm-guest-session "Unable to start guest session if a user named guest exists" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/292533 [09:09] robert_ancell: I think in the past it just re-used the guest account [09:09] and it's still meant to be that way [09:09] robert_ancell: please assign to me [09:10] pitti, done. I think it's the last major issue affecting guest sessions [09:12] pitti: hi... does apport use a fixed size the 22px or the 24px icon for panel ? [like how messaging menu uses only 22px icon] or does it depend on the panel size? [09:13] seb128, pitti - my queue is empty so point me at anything that is important you guys don't solve today [09:14] * robert_ancell regrets saying the last statement [09:14] lol [09:14] robert_ancell: oh, great job! [09:14] robert_ancell, you rock [09:14] robert_ancell, I will find you nice bugs today, otherwise you can pick in the milestoned list, cf topic [09:14] robert_ancell, I did assign you a minor totem one the other day but it's minor I will probably find better bugs for you today [09:15] oh that list is hard... :) [09:15] I looked at bug 359975 today but couldn't reproduce. My feeling is that 2.27 GTK+ changes have either solved it or would make it much clearer what is happening [09:15] Launchpad bug 359975 in gtk+2.0 "evince sometimes yield error "Error printing: Too many failed attempts"" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/359975 [09:16] ok [09:17] I think gpm has quite some issues too but nobody look to bugs there [09:18] robert_ancell: I'd really appreciate a look at bug 443026 [09:18] Launchpad bug 443026 in evince "Printing produces broken PDF" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/443026 [09:18] right now, evince is absolutely useless for printing [09:18] you have to install the jaunty version to do anything sensible with printing PDFs [09:19] pitti, ok, that looks like my sort of bug [09:19] robert_ancell: it's reproducible without a physical printer [09:20] pitti, robert_ancell: we should maybe undo http://git.gnome.org/cgit/evince/commit/?h=gnome-2-28&id=2eedce4d1c281bde50edf87ec00821c1d10bd751 [09:20] seb128: oh, that was introduced only in karmic? I thought tkamppeter switched it over much earlier already [09:20] pitti, no, only in karmic [09:20] indeed, pdf2ps -> evince -> print works fine [09:23] robert_ancell, bug #446230 might also be nice to fix though it's probably no high priority now either [09:23] Launchpad bug 446230 in enchant "enchant custom words are not being used" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/446230 [09:24] pitti, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=585442 [09:24] Gnome bug 585442 in printing "Evince should output PDF instead of PostScript when printing" [Enhancement,Resolved: fixed] [09:24] pitti, that was changed in karmic indeed [09:28] pitti, robert_ancell, I have added a comment to bug 419143. [09:28] Launchpad bug 419143 in evince "Printing from evince (and perhaps other GTK apps) to PostScript printers is broken" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/419143 [09:29] tseliot, hi, could you look to bug #433856? [09:29] Launchpad bug 433856 in screen-resolution-extra ""Display Properties" sets virtual resolution too low" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/433856 [09:29] tkamppeter, thanks [09:29] ok, see you all later [09:29] robert_ancell, see you tomorrow! [09:29] pitt, robert_ancell, the problem of evince is that we switched from evince outputting crappy PostScript to outputting crappy PDF. We must somehow make it outputting a non-crappy print data stream. [09:29] seb128: sure, I'll add it to my TODO list for today. I have deadlines today [09:29] tseliot, ok thanks [09:30] pitti ^^ [09:31] tkamppeter: hm, but "crappy but working" >> "crappy and broken"? [09:31] pitti, perhaps you should do s/crappy/broken/ on my last message. [09:31] tkamppeter: heh [09:33] pitti: Strange is also that only evince produces such bad print data and not all other GTK apps. And evince produces bad print data for years already. [09:33] tkamppeter: yeah, I'm not even sure whether it actually uses gtkprint nowadays [09:34] pitti, seems that it uses only the dialog and not the output stream generator. [09:34] *nod* [09:35] tkamppeter: also, I guess I completely disassembles the input PDF and creates an entirely new document when printing it, right? [09:35] so that it can do tricks like 4-on-1, reverse order, selected pages, etc. [09:35] although only the first should really require a total rewrite of the PDF [09:35] it doesn't help to keep claiming those files are broken [09:35] evince just open them file to display them [09:36] print preview works [09:36] etc [09:36] pitti, evince in fact re-renders the PDF to be able to do page management. They want to support CUPS-less environments. [09:37] seb128: "those files"? [09:38] pitti: One should introduce a compile mode for evince for CUPS environment, letting evince passing through PostScript and PDF input files to CUPS and passing all page management options to CUPS as IPP attributes (like it does with the PPD options). Then CUPS will do the right thing. [09:38] pitti, the ps you get when printing from evince [09:38] or the pdf when you print to a file [09:39] seb128: well, but they are; either the generated PDF immediately crashes gs, or it puts it into an eternal loop [09:40] admittedly generated ps was often buggy as well, but by far not as bad [09:40] why don't we just roll back to what we had in jaunty? [09:40] ie revert the commit I pointed [09:40] then we can argue later about what is broken in the evince pdf [09:40] seb128: no objection [09:41] but ideally somebody a clue about pdfs should take that to upstream cairo guys [09:41] +with [09:41] since it's cairo which is used to generate those I think [09:41] oh, I see; I thought standard gtkprint would do that as well? [09:41] frankly I didn't really try to print from other apps [09:42] I have copied my last comment of bug 419143 to bug 443026 as it applies there, too. [09:42] Launchpad bug 419143 in evince "Printing from evince (and perhaps other GTK apps) to PostScript printers is broken" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/419143 [09:42] Launchpad bug 443026 in evince "Printing produces broken PDF" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/443026 [09:43] pitti, seb128: ^^, but in general, I would also agree with PS output as workaround for the time being until the PDF output gets fixed. But only for the Ubuntu package. [09:43] pitti, it should yes [09:44] pitti, do we have a good summary of the issue we have right now that I could use to ping upstream about the bug? [09:44] pitti, you could try to print from the GIMP (standard dialog) and see whether you get a blank page ... [09:45] seb128: bug [09:45] ooops [09:45] seb128: bug 443026 has a reproducing document and explanation [09:45] Launchpad bug 443026 in evince "Printing produces broken PDF" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/443026 [09:45] pitti, thanks [09:45] Or anyone could try to print from Abiword? Or does this one not use GTK Print? [09:45] printing a pdf to a pdf file in current karmic works fine there [09:46] ie printing from evince to a pdf works [09:46] seb128: You mean that if you do "Print to PDF" in evince and then lpr the PDF to CUPS all works perfectly? [09:46] no, I've no printer [09:47] I just to "print to pdf" and open the pdf with evince [09:47] pitti said that you don't need a real printer to test before I think [09:47] seb128: gs output.pdf -> boom [09:47] seb128: Then Poppler renders the PDF. Try "gs " with the PDF from evince. [09:48] works fin,e [09:48] works fine [09:49] seb128: I updated the summary to give the reproducing steps without a printer [09:49] pitti, that works fine on a pdf I just tried there [09:49] let me try an another one [09:49] seb128: it seems to work for text-only PDFs [09:50] but for anythign moderately complex with some graphics, it just crashes, or doesn't print the graphics [09:50] I would argue it's a gs bug since evince open those pdf correctly [09:50] but probably not one we will track before karmic [09:50] let's switch back to what we used in jaunty [09:52] so, I don't know how widespread the problem actually is [09:52] it just happens for 3/4 of the uni scripts my wife tried to print [09:52] but they could all be generated from a particular PDF generator [09:53] ah, that was word -> Adobe distiller [09:53] seb128, it is not a gs bug, I have two native PDF printers which do not print output.pdf. See bug 443026, comment #4. [09:53] Launchpad bug 443026 in evince "Printing produces broken PDF" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/443026 [09:54] tkamppeter, are you able to tell us what in the pdf make those chock? [09:55] seb128, for bug 443026 not, but for bug 419143 it is an embedded font. [09:55] Launchpad bug 443026 in evince "Printing produces broken PDF" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/443026 [09:55] Launchpad bug 419143 in evince "Printing from evince (and perhaps other GTK apps) to PostScript printers is broken" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/419143 [09:56] seb128: wrt. music players, are you okay with me adding a hackish patch to gvfs for now which adds the music-player mime type for devices which have the music-player icon? [09:57] seb128: I'm discussing the proper solution with David, and outlined it in https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24500, but it's pretty intrusive, and might not make karmic [09:57] pitti, yes, did you get comments from davidz on the upstream bug? [09:57] Freedesktop bug 24500 in detection "need property for music players" [Normal,New] [09:57] seb128: not yet [09:57] seb128: but the effect would be the same; ID_MEDIA_PLAYER determines the icon, and that determines the mime type [09:57] it's just a code-wise hack, behaviour should be fine [09:57] pitti, works for me [09:58] okay, doing that then [10:02] pitti, have you seen that I have committed a small change to CUPS? This also needs to go into Karmic. [10:02] tkamppeter: yep, saw it; will upload it in time [10:03] Thanks. [10:03] tkamppeter: probably tomorrow morning, just in case another patch turns up still :) [10:04] tkamppeter: argh, it still FTBFSes on mips/mipsel, so I'll need to hit it harder [10:09] pitti, there is also a problem with armel, bug 447919. [10:09] Launchpad bug 447919 in cups "cups-1.4.1-4 ftbfs on armel (and sparc)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/447919 [10:09] Hello ubuntu guys. Is "Rick Spencer" here? [10:09] Zdra: not right now (US timezone), but in general yes [10:09] pitti, it failes the tests and therefore does not complete the build. [10:10] tkamppeter: oh, that's what I pinged you about yesterday; it fails on all arches [10:10] tkamppeter: it's a regression from your hostname change apparently [10:10] pitti, cool what's his nick? :) [10:10] Zdra, rickspencer3 [10:11] hehe :) [10:11] fine [10:11] I'm waiting for him [10:11] anything you need? [10:11] you can perhaps get a reply from somebody else too [10:11] seb128, rant against WONTFIX for 435329 [10:11] bug #435329 [10:11] Launchpad bug 435329 in empathy "Empathy is unusable if indicator applet is not on the panel" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/435329 [10:11] tkamppeter: do you have a minute to take a look at this? [10:11] we discussed it on this channel yesterday [10:11] pitti, then it is strange why it is only reportde for arm,el and I also have the feeling that doko reported the bug before I did the hostname change. [10:12] launchpad sucks sometime and wontfix is the wrong change [10:12] pitti, yes [10:12] seb128, ah, didn't see the discussion [10:12] tkamppeter: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/33580906/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.cups_1.4.1-5_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz is the same [10:12] seb128, what's the conclusion? [10:12] Zdra, we said that it's not a karmic blocker because it's easy to workaround (ie it's a preference option) [10:12] Zdra, but it will be nice to get fixed in a sru after karmic [10:13] well, it's still "ok" to fix in karmic [10:13] but it won't block the release [10:13] Zdra, I think the wontfix was rick trying to say it's not a blocker for karmic now, we have higher issue, ie crashers [10:13] perhaps high->medium would be more claer [10:13] pitti, it seems that one of the tests does a host name lookup not using CUPS and checks whether CUPS finds the same name or so. This test needs to be changed to accept also the IP. [10:13] seb128, I can understand you (as in all ubuntu devs) don't have time for that... but the only sane solution is to drop that patch NOW ! [10:13] pitti, it's medium [10:14] seb128, you cant still add the patch later when it get fixed [10:14] Zdra, it would help if your comment were constructive on bugs too [10:14] it is constructive [10:14] Zdra, "ubuntu specific patch makes empathy crash at startup for all non-GNOME users" could you give details? [10:14] the bug is not about a crash [10:14] you have 2 possibilities, make your choice [10:14] pitti, we cannot require from all our users to have working DNS. In many small networks they rely on automatic network configuration by the router and not all routers set up valid host names for all machines automatically. [10:15] it's about having to manual change a preference when dropping the indicator applet [10:15] tkamppeter: right, understood; I think it just needs a test fixed [10:15] which is installed by default [10:15] seb128, which preference? [10:15] seb128, so you force adding that applet? [10:15] Zdra, I'm not sure to understand your issue [10:16] seb128, don't have KDE here, but users reported that empathy just segfault at startup there [10:16] by default we use the indicator message applet on ubuntu and no notification area icon [10:16] Zdra, that's a different bug that the one you comment on and the sort of issue we want to fix for karmic [10:16] seb128, if there are no indicator applet, you don't get upstream's status icon [10:16] seb128, which make empathy hidden with now way to use it [10:16] seb128, and on KDE users reported that empathy just crash [10:16] Zdra, you need to go to the preference and uncheck "use message indicator" [10:17] seb128, please tell me how I go there if empathy can't be seen? [10:17] Zdra, you can open it again from the menu to display the buddy list [10:17] well for sure the buddy list should be displayed when you run empathy? [10:17] the issue is only when closing the list [10:17] seb128, it is not if you last closed empathy with it hidden in status icon [10:17] you can get it back by running empathy from the menu again [10:18] ok, that is an issue [10:18] and the crash is one too [10:18] that's what I meant by being constructive [10:18] those are good point and that makes sense now [10:18] you could mention that on the bug rather than just "ranting" [10:18] the crash on start should be fixed [10:19] and the fact that the buddy list will not be displayed on start if it was close with it in the notify is an issue too [10:19] those should be address for karmic yes [10:19] do you have any bug number for the crash issue? [10:19] I will talk to rick and kenvandine about the other issue [10:25] seb128, I'm searching for the crash but I can't find... let me ask the guy who reported that to me [10:26] Zdra, thanks, when you close a crash a NOTGNOME can you also mention on the channel so we know about it if the submitter doesn't file it on launchpad too [10:27] seb128 - do you think bug 451081 is a GTK issue? [10:27] Bug 451081 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/451081 is private [10:27] Zdra, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/435216 [10:27] Launchpad bug 435216 in empathy "empathy crashed with SIGSEGV in g_closure_invoke()" [Medium,Fix released] [10:27] Zdra, did it look similar to that one? [10:28] seb128, but still, the use experience without the indicator applet is terrible... that option is hard to discover it it result to bug reports against upstream. That make me sad that ubuntu include half-finished patch like that in empathy package. [10:28] Is there going to be a cups upload any time soon? [10:29] * TheMuso was going to see about fixing the cups powerpc FTBFS if not [10:29] TheMuso, tomorrow [10:29] TheMuso, there is a pending change and pitti said he's letting time in case other will come today [10:29] TheMuso: it's failing across all arches [10:29] Zdra, you are a bit harsh with your comment, what issue do you have with the change out of the case where people want to remove in the indicator applet? [10:29] TheMuso: tkamppeter is looking into it [10:29] pitti: Oh ok thanks. [10:30] * TheMuso is doing final powerpc gardening before the freeze. [10:30] seb128, you don't have status icon by default when you remove the indicator applet. You have to find that checkbox in empathy preferences [10:31] Zdra, ok, that's one bug when you don't use the standard ubuntu config, out of that? [10:31] well, I guess it's fine if you use standard ubuntu config [10:31] but I think it will be common to not use it [10:32] we even got bug reports of ubuntu users having that indicator applet that didn't understand that the "email" icon is related to empathy [10:33] well that's not really a bug or something that will change [10:33] I agree that the indicator message is suboptimal but it's a distro design choice [10:33] that will not change [10:34] also, if you close empathy's main window, it make a minimize animation to the notification area instead of the indicator applet [10:34] I also agree we should fix the case where this is no indicator applet [10:34] other concern out of that fallback case? [10:35] I should probably run a bit ubuntu's version of empathy to test more. I'm running upstream version most of the time [10:36] there is no real difference out of the indicator message use [10:37] chrisccoulson: no sure, I've never known how to read such crashes [10:37] chrisccoulson: it seems the sort of call that should not fail, not sure in which case that can happen or if there is a corruption, or if that's on session close and the display is closing [10:38] chrisccoulson: what do you think? [10:39] chrisccoulson2, ^ [10:40] seb128: meh, gvfs hates me [10:40] seb128 - i'm not too sure really. i can't see what g-s-d could do to make it crash (other than some other memory error) [10:41] i suppose i could ask for a valgrind log just in case [10:41] wow, we have two chrisccoulsons now? [10:41] * MenZa hides. [10:41] heh, its because my 3G connection keeps cutting me off ;) [10:42] seb128: so, I now get a correct mime type (x_content_types: x-content/image-dcf x-content/audio-player) and it's working fine again for opening RB, and displaying the player in RB again [10:42] seb128: but when I plug it in, instead of getting one window with RB/F-Spot default, I get two windows with one each [10:42] s/default// [10:42] pitti, that was not the case in jaunty? [10:43] seb128: I don't know [10:43] but I've never seen two windows [10:43] did you ever try your g1 there? [10:43] I don't have any device being a camera and a player there [10:43] seb128: I'll boot jaunty live and test there [10:43] bbl === dpm_ is now known as dpm [10:57] seb128: you were right, same problem in jaunty; I just didn't see it because the G1 wasn't in hal-info as a music player yet; adding it causes the exact same effect [10:57] seb128: so, it's a wart, but much better to have music players working IMHO [10:57] and it's not a regression [10:57] pitti, ok what I though [10:57] thanks for confirming [11:02] seb128: uploaded; I hope I didn't break anything else _this_ time :) [11:22] seb128 - do you have any opinion on bug 443312? I don't really have much time to work on it before final freeze, and I'm not sure whether we want all the changes there anyway [11:22] Launchpad bug 443312 in system-tools-backends "Package 2.8.2" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/443312 [11:24] chrisccoulson1, it's a GNOME component so doing the update is ok [11:25] seb128 - ok. i'll try and do it if i get time [11:26] * chrisccoulson1 wishes his connection would stop dropping today [11:27] pitti - have you found a reliable way to tether your G1 so you can use it's 3G connection from your computer? [11:28] chrisccoulson1: unfortunately not; I tried to root the device months ago, but it didn't work with the SD card that I have (I couldn't turn it into a gold card) [11:28] chrisccoulson1: now I have a different SD card, but I didn't try again [11:28] yeah, it seems like there aren't many good solutions for tethering:( [11:28] chrisccoulson1: however, there's a tool called "proxoid" which is said to work on a non-rooted devices [11:28] I didn't try it yet, though [11:29] i've not tried that either [11:29] i'll have a look for it;) [11:29]