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| james_w | hi | 15:59 |
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| robbiew | yo | 15:59 |
| mvo | hi | 15:59 |
| liw | heippa | 15:59 |
| robbiew | #startmeeting | 16:00 |
| evand | hi | 16:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is robbiew. | 16:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 16:00 |
| cjwatson | hi | 16:00 |
| robbiew | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2009/1014#Agenda | 16:01 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2009/1014#Agenda | 16:01 |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] BUGS!!! | 16:01 |
| MootBot | New Topic: BUGS!!! | 16:01 |
| robbiew | anything anyone wants to bring up here? | 16:02 |
| cjwatson | dear god there are a lot of them *sweat* | 16:02 |
| mterry_ | hi | 16:02 |
| evand | We are having some issues with webkit bailing out in the installer slideshow, causing the installer to crash. | 16:02 |
| robbiew | :/ | 16:02 |
| cjwatson | any luck with the new upstream release there? | 16:03 |
| Keybuk | cjwatson: I actually think that we're in a better state than in jaunty | 16:03 |
| evand | there's a wrench stuck in the buildds | 16:03 |
| evand | waiting on elmo to fix things in #soyuz | 16:03 |
| cjwatson | (there was some suggestion that that might fix it, but the changelog is woefully unclear) | 16:03 |
| cjwatson | Keybuk: that may be true, I don't quite recall ... | 16:03 |
| Keybuk | cjwatson: we don't have random intel hangs this time ;) | 16:03 |
| robbiew | evand: is there a workaround for the installer slideshow issue? | 16:05 |
| robbiew | or is it random, so trying again may work | 16:05 |
| evand | sudo apt-get remove ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu | 16:05 |
| evand | in the live environment | 16:05 |
| Keybuk | :-( | 16:06 |
| Keybuk | but the slideshow is made of awesome | 16:06 |
| robbiew | ouch | 16:06 |
| robbiew | yeah | 16:06 |
| cjwatson | the slideshow bug doesn't happen to everyone FWIW; I've never seen it in kvm | 16:06 |
| robbiew | damn...too bad we don't have a "skip the slideshow" option in the installer :/ | 16:06 |
| cjwatson | nor on real hw I think | 16:06 |
| evand | indeed, me either | 16:06 |
| robbiew | cjwatson: ack...me neither | 16:06 |
| robbiew | in both real and virtual environments | 16:07 |
| evand | fingers crossed on the latest version fixing it, or someone coming along with a decent stack trace | 16:07 |
| robbiew | pulling it would be rough, as it's already gotten some positive press | 16:07 |
| evand | interestingly, some of the crashes are not triggering apport | 16:08 |
| evand | there may be another installer bug here, as I've seen at least one report where removing the slideshow doesn't fix things | 16:08 |
| evand | and the logs are absent of any kind of crash information | 16:08 |
| evand | for what it's worth, the bugs I'm tracking around these crashes are 445756 441709 448252 440922 442560 and probably more | 16:09 |
| robbiew | ok, thanks | 16:09 |
| cjwatson | the set of grub bugs that relate to device ordering changes are still open | 16:10 |
| cjwatson | (sorry, don't have the bug numbers to hand right now, am rebooting to test usplash bits) | 16:10 |
| cjwatson | I have a branch that hopefully addresses a lot of that, but I've had difficulty getting time to finish it and get it landed | 16:10 |
| robbiew | ok, np...understand the need for a 48hour workday ;) | 16:11 |
| cjwatson | so I don't think that is going to land for tonight; if somebody would like to be another pair of eyes at some point, that would be great | 16:11 |
| robbiew | anyone with time to help cjwatson? | 16:12 |
| robbiew | liw? james_w? | 16:12 |
| liw | I can arrange time; I have no expertese in grub and tend to run away from it screaming :( | 16:12 |
| cjwatson | FWIW this is mostly the upper layer, not much in the boot loader parts itself | 16:13 |
| james_w | I only have a couple of tasks due today, so I could try and help | 16:13 |
| cjwatson | ok, I'll get in touch with one or the other of you then, thanks - probably tomorrow at this rate | 16:14 |
| robbiew | anyone else need to add to my heartburn? :P | 16:14 |
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| Keybuk | robbiew: if mdz calls, tell him everything will be ok :p | 16:16 |
| robbiew | heh | 16:16 |
| cjwatson | not the other one? :) | 16:16 |
| Keybuk | not the other one *just yet* | 16:16 |
| robbiew | lol | 16:16 |
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| robbiew | okay moving on | 16:17 |
| robbiew | not going to say much about the Sponsorship Queue at this point in the release ;) | 16:17 |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] Activity Reports | 16:18 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Activity Reports | 16:18 |
| Keybuk | mterry_: did you want somebody to upload rsyslog for you? | 16:18 |
| cjwatson | I think I originally set reports to Tuesday because that meant they were as current as possible for the meeting; but that may not be all that big an issue any more | 16:18 |
| mterry_ | Keybuk, yes, to fix a kernel message buffering issue from the upstart migration. bug 430220 | 16:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 430220 in rsyslog "[karmic] Upstart fixups" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/430220 | 16:18 |
| cjwatson | since people are more in the habit of just bringing stuff up | 16:19 |
| robbiew | well, I'm fine with Tuesday..but it seems like most come in on Thurs or Fri :) | 16:19 |
| robbiew | if sending a simple reminder helps | 16:19 |
| robbiew | I can do that | 16:19 |
| liw | so, changing the dl to Fri would ensure they come in next Tue? :) | 16:19 |
| robbiew | no problem | 16:19 |
| mterry_ | (I know this is a temporary problem, but OEM has theirs due on Fri/Mon) | 16:19 |
| Keybuk | mterry_: can you mail me the diff.gz you want uploaded? :p | 16:19 |
| mterry_ | Keybuk, ok | 16:20 |
| Keybuk | robbiew: there's, of course, a difference between when they're due and what dates they cover ;) | 16:20 |
| mterry_ | (And it would be nice for me if my two reports were due same time) | 16:20 |
| robbiew | yeah...that's true | 16:20 |
| robbiew | and I know for slangasek, Friday is bad release-wise | 16:21 |
| * mvo don't mind when they are due | 16:21 | |
| robbiew | b/c we drop on Thursdays and meet on Fridays...so maybe Tuesdays is best | 16:21 |
| robbiew | but they could cover the preceding Mon-Fri? | 16:21 |
| mterry_ | Could they cover the previous week? | 16:21 |
| mterry_ | +1 | 16:21 |
| robbiew | +1 from the guy who leaves in 2 weeks :P | 16:22 |
| mterry_ | Hey, there may be future swappers | 16:22 |
| robbiew | true | 16:22 |
| robbiew | IMO, I think it's easier to think in terms of Mon-Fri...and then send it in by the next Tuesday | 16:23 |
| robbiew | but that's just me | 16:23 |
| evand | I'd agree with that | 16:23 |
| mvo | sounds good to me | 16:23 |
| robbiew | okay...let's do that | 16:24 |
| robbiew | I'll send out a note to the team after the meeting | 16:24 |
| robbiew | [ACTION] robbiew send note about Activity Reports | 16:24 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: robbiew send note about Activity Reports | 16:24 |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] Good News | 16:25 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Good News | 16:25 |
| Keybuk | I fixed usplash \o/ | 16:26 |
| Keybuk | Bad News is that I now need therapy for the amount of svgalib I ingested in the process | 16:26 |
| robbiew | heh | 16:26 |
| mterry_ | nice | 16:26 |
| evand | I discovered apport-collect, which should make things easier. So thanks to pitti. | 16:26 |
| robbiew | lol | 16:26 |
| evand | oh and the buildds are working again | 16:26 |
| cjwatson | furthermore, after some bouncing back and forth between Keybuk and me, Keybuk might have found a way to lose the text switch between usplash and X | 16:27 |
| robbiew | that would really be nice | 16:27 |
| liw | LP started talking to me again this afternoon | 16:27 |
| cjwatson | it does appear to require an X change as well, and I think display manager changes too | 16:27 |
| cjwatson | Keybuk has it working for him on his madly hacked system, now I'm trying to reproduce the hacks ;-) | 16:28 |
| robbiew | this is good and bad...as now DX will have ammunition for why we should own the boot splash work :P | 16:28 |
| Keybuk | well, kinda working, it only works if I use nouveau, and then X doesn't work so well <g> | 16:28 |
| robbiew | well hell | 16:29 |
| robbiew | lol | 16:29 |
| cjwatson | I think the basics work on Intel | 16:29 |
| cjwatson | but I need to grab an X server from one of Bryce's two zillion PPAs first | 16:29 |
| cjwatson | it basically works on KMS; non-KMS is still going to be ugly | 16:30 |
| cjwatson | but that's OK, IMO | 16:30 |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] AOB? | 16:30 |
| MootBot | New Topic: AOB? | 16:30 |
| robbiew | Book UDS travel | 16:30 |
| robbiew | yeehaw | 16:31 |
| robbiew | lol | 16:31 |
| slangasek | book UDS travel... two weeks ago? :) | 16:31 |
| * mvo has done this some days ago | 16:31 | |
| * robbiew is driving | 16:31 | |
| * robbiew is out next week on holiday...so cjwatson is in charge | 16:32 | |
| robbiew | :D | 16:32 |
| robbiew | however, cjwatson is out next Thurs...so Keybuk is in charge | 16:32 |
| robbiew | that day...run for your lives!!! | 16:32 |
| robbiew | lol | 16:32 |
| evand | god save us | 16:32 |
| cjwatson | nothing important happens next Thursday, does it? | 16:32 |
| slangasek | oh good, I can sleep in Thursday | 16:32 |
| robbiew | heh | 16:32 |
| evand | lol | 16:32 |
| Keybuk | I hate you all | 16:33 |
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| robbiew | lmao | 16:33 |
| robbiew | with that... | 16:33 |
| robbiew | #endmeeting | 16:33 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 10:33. | 16:33 |
| liw | thanks | 16:33 |
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| evand | thanks | 16:34 |
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| * marjo waves | 17:59 | |
| davmor2 | hello | 17:59 |
| marjo | #startmeeting | 17:59 |
| pedro_ | hola! | 17:59 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 11:59. The chair is marjo. | 17:59 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 17:59 |
| marjo | hi folks, | 18:00 |
| * fader waves. | 18:00 | |
| bdmurray | hi | 18:00 |
| marjo | QA Meeting Agenda | 18:00 |
| ara | hey | 18:00 |
| sbeattie | hey | 18:00 |
| marjo | Agenda: | 18:00 |
| marjo | * SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie) | 18:00 |
| marjo | * Bugday highlights -- pedro | 18:00 |
| marjo | * Next week is RC -- ara | 18:00 |
| marjo | Any other agenda items to add? | 18:01 |
| marjo | [TOPIC] SRU testing - sbeattie (Steve Beattie) | 18:01 |
| MootBot | New Topic: SRU testing - sbeattie (Steve Beattie) | 18:01 |
| sbeattie | SRU Activity for the past week (since 2009-10-07) was very light: | 18:02 |
| sbeattie | * Jaunty: 1 new package in -proposed (smart) and none pushed to -updates | 18:02 |
| sbeattie | * Intrepid: no new packages in -proposed and none pushed to -updates | 18:02 |
| sbeattie | * Hardy: 1 new package in -proposed (adept) and 1 pushed to -updates (zsync) | 18:02 |
| sbeattie | * Dapper: no non-security activity | 18:02 |
| sbeattie | Thanks to Dave Morley (davmor2) for testing zsync this week. | 18:02 |
| davmor2 | \o/ | 18:03 |
| sbeattie | There's at least one SRU that needs testing that would be good to get published before release: adept on updating from kubuntu/hardy to karmic. | 18:03 |
| pedro_ | what's the bug number? | 18:04 |
| sbeattie | bug 439706, I think | 18:04 |
| davmor2 | I can have a run at that tomorrow morning for you sbeattie | 18:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 439706 in adept "support hardy to karmic upgrades" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/439706 | 18:04 |
| sbeattie | davmor2: that'd be awesome, thanks! | 18:05 |
| sbeattie | For the record, people interested in testing SRUs can always check the list of packages in the queue at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html | 18:05 |
| sbeattie | That's all I have, unless there are any more questions... | 18:06 |
| marjo | thx, sbeattie | 18:06 |
| marjo | [TOPIC] Bugday highlights -- pedro | 18:06 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Bugday highlights -- pedro | 18:06 |
| pedro_ | On Thursday 08 of October we had a bug day based on Confirmed Bugs without a package | 18:07 |
| ScottK | sbeattie: The adept SRU is important since Hardy is going out of support for Kubuntu | 18:07 |
| pedro_ | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20091008 | 18:07 |
| pedro_ | we had a great participation from the community, 58 bugs were triaged, thanks a lot to lfaraone, kamus, pwlars, hggdh2, gotunandan, simono and gothicx | 18:07 |
| pedro_ | for the current week, we're celebrating a Bug day for the Server Team | 18:08 |
| pedro_ | the progress so far is great: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20091014 | 18:08 |
| pedro_ | ttx and zul are doing a super work there also answering questions on the #ubuntu-bugs channel | 18:09 |
| pedro_ | and as always, any kind of help there is more than welcome :-) | 18:09 |
| marjo | thx pedro_ | 18:10 |
| marjo | [TOPIC] Next week is RC (ara) | 18:10 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Next week is RC (ara) | 18:10 |
| ara | Just a reminder that next week is RC week. This is one of the most important milestones | 18:11 |
| ara | Try to keep your images as synced as possible, to start the testing early | 18:11 |
| ara | :) | 18:11 |
| davmor2 | ara: just depends on how early slangasek lets us ;) | 18:12 |
| marjo | davmor2: so true | 18:12 |
| ara | davmor2, indeed, but if the images are synced, when he says, ready, steady, go! we are ready to go ;-) | 18:12 |
| davmor2 | So true | 18:12 |
| davmor2 | ara: are we coordinating efforts on u-testing? | 18:13 |
| ara | davmor2, as usual | 18:13 |
| slangasek | you can test any time you want, you don't have to take my word for it that the ISOs are known not to be ready :) | 18:13 |
| fader | Hehe | 18:13 |
| marjo | ara: anything else? | 18:14 |
| ara | marjo, that's it | 18:15 |
| marjo | [TOPIC] Checkbox in Karmic (cr3) | 18:15 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Checkbox in Karmic (cr3) | 18:15 |
| cr3 | There is current a new version of Checkbox building for Karmic, 0.8.4 | 18:15 |
| cr3 | This fixes many bugs which were oustanding, most importantly relating to dbus | 18:15 |
| cr3 | The command line interface has also been improved to finally work properly | 18:16 |
| cr3 | Hope everyone will appreciate the fixes and keep reporting bugs! | 18:16 |
| davmor2 | useful :) | 18:16 |
| marjo | cr3: anything else? | 18:16 |
| cr3 | That's about it, I expect another version will be needed to reach perfection for karmic :) | 18:17 |
| marjo | cr3: thx! | 18:18 |
| marjo | folks: anything else for today's meeting? | 18:18 |
| davmor2 | nope | 18:18 |
| ara | nothing on my side | 18:18 |
| marjo | going once | 18:18 |
| marjo | twice | 18:18 |
| marjo | ok, i propose we adjourn the meeting | 18:19 |
| * fader feels like he should bid something. | 18:19 | |
| marjo | fader: too late | 18:19 |
| marjo | ok, folks, thx again and go Karmic RC! | 18:19 |
| cr3 | fader: 500 quatloos on the newcomer! | 18:19 |
| fader | \o/ | 18:19 |
| fader | cr3: Geek :P | 18:19 |
| marjo | #endmeeting | 18:20 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 12:20. | 18:20 |
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