=== starcraftman is now known as WikiNinja === WikiNinja is now known as starcraftman === NCommander is now known as NC|G1 === NC|G1 is now known as NCommander === greeneggsnospam is now known as jsgotangco === Richie is now known as YDdraigGoch === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === imlad|away is now known as imlad === imlad is now known as imlad|away === lukjad007 is now known as WikiPirate === WikiPirate is now known as lukjad007 === imlad|away is now known as imlad === robbiew-afk is now known as robbiew === fader|away is now known as fader === imlad is now known as imlad|away === marjomercado is now known as marjo === imlad|away is now known as imlad [15:59] hi [15:59] yo [15:59] hi [15:59] heippa [16:00] #startmeeting [16:00] hi [16:00] Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is robbiew. [16:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:00] hi [16:01] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2009/1014#Agenda [16:01] LINK received: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2009/1014#Agenda [16:01] [TOPIC] BUGS!!! [16:01] New Topic: BUGS!!! [16:02] anything anyone wants to bring up here? [16:02] dear god there are a lot of them *sweat* [16:02] hi [16:02] We are having some issues with webkit bailing out in the installer slideshow, causing the installer to crash. [16:02] :/ [16:03] any luck with the new upstream release there? [16:03] cjwatson: I actually think that we're in a better state than in jaunty [16:03] there's a wrench stuck in the buildds [16:03] waiting on elmo to fix things in #soyuz [16:03] (there was some suggestion that that might fix it, but the changelog is woefully unclear) [16:03] Keybuk: that may be true, I don't quite recall ... [16:03] cjwatson: we don't have random intel hangs this time ;) [16:05] evand: is there a workaround for the installer slideshow issue? [16:05] or is it random, so trying again may work [16:05] sudo apt-get remove ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu [16:05] in the live environment [16:06] :-( [16:06] but the slideshow is made of awesome [16:06] ouch [16:06] yeah [16:06] the slideshow bug doesn't happen to everyone FWIW; I've never seen it in kvm [16:06] damn...too bad we don't have a "skip the slideshow" option in the installer :/ [16:06] nor on real hw I think [16:06] indeed, me either [16:06] cjwatson: ack...me neither [16:07] in both real and virtual environments [16:07] fingers crossed on the latest version fixing it, or someone coming along with a decent stack trace [16:07] pulling it would be rough, as it's already gotten some positive press [16:08] interestingly, some of the crashes are not triggering apport [16:08] there may be another installer bug here, as I've seen at least one report where removing the slideshow doesn't fix things [16:08] and the logs are absent of any kind of crash information [16:09] for what it's worth, the bugs I'm tracking around these crashes are 445756 441709 448252 440922 442560 and probably more [16:09] ok, thanks [16:10] the set of grub bugs that relate to device ordering changes are still open [16:10] (sorry, don't have the bug numbers to hand right now, am rebooting to test usplash bits) [16:10] I have a branch that hopefully addresses a lot of that, but I've had difficulty getting time to finish it and get it landed [16:11] ok, np...understand the need for a 48hour workday ;) [16:11] so I don't think that is going to land for tonight; if somebody would like to be another pair of eyes at some point, that would be great [16:12] anyone with time to help cjwatson? [16:12] liw? james_w? [16:12] I can arrange time; I have no expertese in grub and tend to run away from it screaming :( [16:13] FWIW this is mostly the upper layer, not much in the boot loader parts itself [16:13] I only have a couple of tasks due today, so I could try and help [16:14] ok, I'll get in touch with one or the other of you then, thanks - probably tomorrow at this rate [16:14] anyone else need to add to my heartburn? :P === imlad is now known as imlad|away [16:16] robbiew: if mdz calls, tell him everything will be ok :p [16:16] heh [16:16] not the other one? :) [16:16] not the other one *just yet* [16:16] lol === imlad|away is now known as imlad [16:17] okay moving on [16:17] not going to say much about the Sponsorship Queue at this point in the release ;) [16:18] [TOPIC] Activity Reports [16:18] New Topic: Activity Reports [16:18] mterry_: did you want somebody to upload rsyslog for you? [16:18] I think I originally set reports to Tuesday because that meant they were as current as possible for the meeting; but that may not be all that big an issue any more [16:18] Keybuk, yes, to fix a kernel message buffering issue from the upstart migration. bug 430220 [16:18] Launchpad bug 430220 in rsyslog "[karmic] Upstart fixups" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/430220 [16:19] since people are more in the habit of just bringing stuff up [16:19] well, I'm fine with Tuesday..but it seems like most come in on Thurs or Fri :) [16:19] if sending a simple reminder helps [16:19] I can do that [16:19] so, changing the dl to Fri would ensure they come in next Tue? :) [16:19] no problem [16:19] (I know this is a temporary problem, but OEM has theirs due on Fri/Mon) [16:19] mterry_: can you mail me the diff.gz you want uploaded? :p [16:20] Keybuk, ok [16:20] robbiew: there's, of course, a difference between when they're due and what dates they cover ;) [16:20] (And it would be nice for me if my two reports were due same time) [16:20] yeah...that's true [16:21] and I know for slangasek, Friday is bad release-wise [16:21] * mvo don't mind when they are due [16:21] b/c we drop on Thursdays and meet on Fridays...so maybe Tuesdays is best [16:21] but they could cover the preceding Mon-Fri? [16:21] Could they cover the previous week? [16:21] +1 [16:22] +1 from the guy who leaves in 2 weeks :P [16:22] Hey, there may be future swappers [16:22] true [16:23] IMO, I think it's easier to think in terms of Mon-Fri...and then send it in by the next Tuesday [16:23] but that's just me [16:23] I'd agree with that [16:23] sounds good to me [16:24] okay...let's do that [16:24] I'll send out a note to the team after the meeting [16:24] [ACTION] robbiew send note about Activity Reports [16:24] ACTION received: robbiew send note about Activity Reports [16:25] [TOPIC] Good News [16:25] New Topic: Good News [16:26] I fixed usplash \o/ [16:26] Bad News is that I now need therapy for the amount of svgalib I ingested in the process [16:26] heh [16:26] nice [16:26] I discovered apport-collect, which should make things easier. So thanks to pitti. [16:26] lol [16:26] oh and the buildds are working again [16:27] furthermore, after some bouncing back and forth between Keybuk and me, Keybuk might have found a way to lose the text switch between usplash and X [16:27] that would really be nice [16:27] LP started talking to me again this afternoon [16:27] it does appear to require an X change as well, and I think display manager changes too [16:28] Keybuk has it working for him on his madly hacked system, now I'm trying to reproduce the hacks ;-) [16:28] this is good and bad...as now DX will have ammunition for why we should own the boot splash work :P [16:28] well, kinda working, it only works if I use nouveau, and then X doesn't work so well [16:29] well hell [16:29] lol [16:29] I think the basics work on Intel [16:29] but I need to grab an X server from one of Bryce's two zillion PPAs first [16:30] it basically works on KMS; non-KMS is still going to be ugly [16:30] but that's OK, IMO [16:30] [TOPIC] AOB? [16:30] New Topic: AOB? [16:30] Book UDS travel [16:31] yeehaw [16:31] lol [16:31] book UDS travel... two weeks ago? :) [16:31] * mvo has done this some days ago [16:31] * robbiew is driving [16:32] * robbiew is out next week on holiday...so cjwatson is in charge [16:32] :D [16:32] however, cjwatson is out next Thurs...so Keybuk is in charge [16:32] that day...run for your lives!!! [16:32] lol [16:32] god save us [16:32] nothing important happens next Thursday, does it? [16:32] oh good, I can sleep in Thursday [16:32] heh [16:32] lol [16:33] I hate you all === highvolt1ge is now known as highvoltage [16:33] lmao [16:33] with that... [16:33] #endmeeting [16:33] Meeting finished at 10:33. [16:33] thanks [16:33] * mvo waves [16:34] * slangasek waves [16:34] thanks === Keybuk_ is now known as Keybuk [17:59] * marjo waves [17:59] hello [17:59] #startmeeting [17:59] hola! [17:59] Meeting started at 11:59. The chair is marjo. [17:59] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [18:00] hi folks, [18:00] * fader waves. [18:00] hi [18:00] QA Meeting Agenda [18:00] hey [18:00] hey [18:00] Agenda: [18:00] * SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie) [18:00] * Bugday highlights -- pedro [18:00] * Next week is RC -- ara [18:01] Any other agenda items to add? [18:01] [TOPIC] SRU testing - sbeattie (Steve Beattie) [18:01] New Topic: SRU testing - sbeattie (Steve Beattie) [18:02] SRU Activity for the past week (since 2009-10-07) was very light: [18:02] * Jaunty: 1 new package in -proposed (smart) and none pushed to -updates [18:02] * Intrepid: no new packages in -proposed and none pushed to -updates [18:02] * Hardy: 1 new package in -proposed (adept) and 1 pushed to -updates (zsync) [18:02] * Dapper: no non-security activity [18:02] Thanks to Dave Morley (davmor2) for testing zsync this week. [18:03] \o/ [18:03] There's at least one SRU that needs testing that would be good to get published before release: adept on updating from kubuntu/hardy to karmic. [18:04] what's the bug number? [18:04] bug 439706, I think [18:04] I can have a run at that tomorrow morning for you sbeattie [18:04] Launchpad bug 439706 in adept "support hardy to karmic upgrades" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/439706 [18:05] davmor2: that'd be awesome, thanks! [18:05] For the record, people interested in testing SRUs can always check the list of packages in the queue at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html [18:06] That's all I have, unless there are any more questions... [18:06] thx, sbeattie [18:06] [TOPIC] Bugday highlights -- pedro [18:06] New Topic: Bugday highlights -- pedro [18:07] On Thursday 08 of October we had a bug day based on Confirmed Bugs without a package [18:07] sbeattie: The adept SRU is important since Hardy is going out of support for Kubuntu [18:07] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20091008 [18:07] we had a great participation from the community, 58 bugs were triaged, thanks a lot to lfaraone, kamus, pwlars, hggdh2, gotunandan, simono and gothicx [18:08] for the current week, we're celebrating a Bug day for the Server Team [18:08] the progress so far is great: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20091014 [18:09] ttx and zul are doing a super work there also answering questions on the #ubuntu-bugs channel [18:09] and as always, any kind of help there is more than welcome :-) [18:10] thx pedro_ [18:10] [TOPIC] Next week is RC (ara) [18:10] New Topic: Next week is RC (ara) [18:11] Just a reminder that next week is RC week. This is one of the most important milestones [18:11] Try to keep your images as synced as possible, to start the testing early [18:11] :) [18:12] ara: just depends on how early slangasek lets us ;) [18:12] davmor2: so true [18:12] davmor2, indeed, but if the images are synced, when he says, ready, steady, go! we are ready to go ;-) [18:12] So true [18:13] ara: are we coordinating efforts on u-testing? [18:13] davmor2, as usual [18:13] you can test any time you want, you don't have to take my word for it that the ISOs are known not to be ready :) [18:13] Hehe [18:14] ara: anything else? [18:15] marjo, that's it [18:15] [TOPIC] Checkbox in Karmic (cr3) [18:15] New Topic: Checkbox in Karmic (cr3) [18:15] There is current a new version of Checkbox building for Karmic, 0.8.4 [18:15] This fixes many bugs which were oustanding, most importantly relating to dbus [18:16] The command line interface has also been improved to finally work properly [18:16] Hope everyone will appreciate the fixes and keep reporting bugs! [18:16] useful :) [18:16] cr3: anything else? [18:17] That's about it, I expect another version will be needed to reach perfection for karmic :) [18:18] cr3: thx! [18:18] folks: anything else for today's meeting? [18:18] nope [18:18] nothing on my side [18:18] going once [18:18] twice [18:19] ok, i propose we adjourn the meeting [18:19] * fader feels like he should bid something. [18:19] fader: too late [18:19] ok, folks, thx again and go Karmic RC! [18:19] fader: 500 quatloos on the newcomer! [18:19] \o/ [18:19] cr3: Geek :P [18:20] #endmeeting [18:20] Meeting finished at 12:20. === RainCT_ is now known as RainCT === imlad is now known as imlad|away === fader is now known as fader|away === YDdraigGoch is now known as Richie