[15:59] <james_w> hi
[15:59] <robbiew> yo
[15:59] <mvo> hi
[15:59] <liw> heippa
[16:00] <robbiew> #startmeeting
[16:00] <evand> hi
[16:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is robbiew.
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[16:00] <cjwatson> hi
[16:01] <robbiew> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2009/1014#Agenda
[16:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2009/1014#Agenda
[16:01] <robbiew> [TOPIC] BUGS!!!
[16:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  BUGS!!!
[16:02] <robbiew> anything anyone wants to bring up here?
[16:02] <cjwatson> dear god there are a lot of them *sweat*
[16:02] <mterry_> hi
[16:02] <evand> We are having some issues with webkit bailing out in the installer slideshow, causing the installer to crash.
[16:02] <robbiew> :/
[16:03] <cjwatson> any luck with the new upstream release there?
[16:03] <Keybuk> cjwatson: I actually think that we're in a better state than in jaunty
[16:03] <evand> there's a wrench stuck in the buildds
[16:03] <evand> waiting on elmo to fix things in #soyuz
[16:03] <cjwatson> (there was some suggestion that that might fix it, but the changelog is woefully unclear)
[16:03] <cjwatson> Keybuk: that may be true, I don't quite recall ...
[16:03] <Keybuk> cjwatson: we don't have random intel hangs this time ;)
[16:05] <robbiew> evand: is there a workaround for the installer slideshow issue?
[16:05] <robbiew> or is it random, so trying again may work
[16:05] <evand> sudo apt-get remove ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[16:05] <evand> in the live environment
[16:06] <Keybuk> :-(
[16:06] <Keybuk> but the slideshow is made of awesome
[16:06] <robbiew> ouch
[16:06] <robbiew> yeah
[16:06] <cjwatson> the slideshow bug doesn't happen to everyone FWIW; I've never seen it in kvm
[16:06] <robbiew> damn...too bad we don't have a "skip the slideshow" option in the installer :/
[16:06] <cjwatson> nor on real hw I think
[16:06] <evand> indeed, me either
[16:06] <robbiew> cjwatson: ack...me neither
[16:07] <robbiew> in both real and virtual environments
[16:07] <evand> fingers crossed on the latest version fixing it, or someone coming along with a decent stack trace
[16:07] <robbiew> pulling it would be rough, as it's already gotten some positive press
[16:08] <evand> interestingly, some of the crashes are not triggering apport
[16:08] <evand> there may be another installer bug here, as I've seen at least one report where removing the slideshow doesn't fix things
[16:08] <evand> and the logs are absent of any kind of crash information
[16:09] <evand> for what it's worth, the bugs I'm tracking around these crashes are 445756 441709 448252 440922 442560 and probably more
[16:09] <robbiew> ok, thanks
[16:10] <cjwatson> the set of grub bugs that relate to device ordering changes are still open
[16:10] <cjwatson> (sorry, don't have the bug numbers to hand right now, am rebooting to test usplash bits)
[16:10] <cjwatson> I have a branch that hopefully addresses a lot of that, but I've had difficulty getting time to finish it and get it landed
[16:11] <robbiew> ok, np...understand the need for a 48hour workday ;)
[16:11] <cjwatson> so I don't think that is going to land for tonight; if somebody would like to be another pair of eyes at some point, that would be great
[16:12] <robbiew> anyone with time to help cjwatson?
[16:12] <robbiew> liw? james_w?
[16:12] <liw> I can arrange time; I have no expertese in grub and tend to run away from it screaming :(
[16:13] <cjwatson> FWIW this is mostly the upper layer, not much in the boot loader parts itself
[16:13] <james_w> I only have a couple of tasks due today, so I could try and help
[16:14] <cjwatson> ok, I'll get in touch with one or the other of you then, thanks - probably tomorrow at this rate
[16:14] <robbiew> anyone else need to add to my heartburn? :P
[16:16] <Keybuk> robbiew: if mdz calls, tell him everything will be ok :p
[16:16] <robbiew> heh
[16:16] <cjwatson> not the other one? :)
[16:16] <Keybuk> not the other one *just yet*
[16:16] <robbiew> lol
[16:17] <robbiew> okay moving on
[16:17] <robbiew> not going to say much about the Sponsorship Queue at this point in the release ;)
[16:18] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Activity Reports
[16:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  Activity Reports
[16:18] <Keybuk> mterry_: did you want somebody to upload rsyslog for you?
[16:18] <cjwatson> I think I originally set reports to Tuesday because that meant they were as current as possible for the meeting; but that may not be all that big an issue any more
[16:18] <mterry_> Keybuk, yes, to fix a kernel message buffering issue from the upstart migration.  bug 430220
[16:19] <cjwatson> since people are more in the habit of just bringing stuff up
[16:19] <robbiew> well, I'm fine with Tuesday..but it seems like most come in on Thurs or Fri :)
[16:19] <robbiew> if sending a simple reminder helps
[16:19] <robbiew> I can do that
[16:19] <liw> so, changing the dl to Fri would ensure they come in next Tue? :)
[16:19] <robbiew> no problem
[16:19] <mterry_> (I know this is a temporary problem, but OEM has theirs due on Fri/Mon)
[16:19] <Keybuk> mterry_: can you mail me the diff.gz you want uploaded? :p
[16:20] <mterry_> Keybuk, ok
[16:20] <Keybuk> robbiew: there's, of course, a difference between when they're due and what dates they cover ;)
[16:20] <mterry_> (And it would be nice for me if my two reports were due same time)
[16:20] <robbiew> yeah...that's true
[16:21] <robbiew> and I know for slangasek, Friday is bad release-wise
[16:21]  * mvo don't mind when they are due
[16:21] <robbiew> b/c we drop on Thursdays and meet on Fridays...so maybe Tuesdays is best
[16:21] <robbiew> but they could cover the preceding Mon-Fri?
[16:21] <mterry_> Could they cover the previous week?
[16:21] <mterry_> +1
[16:22] <robbiew> +1 from the guy who leaves in 2 weeks :P
[16:22] <mterry_> Hey, there may be future swappers
[16:22] <robbiew> true
[16:23] <robbiew> IMO, I think it's easier to think in terms of Mon-Fri...and then send it in by the next Tuesday
[16:23] <robbiew> but that's just me
[16:23] <evand> I'd agree with that
[16:23] <mvo> sounds good to me
[16:24] <robbiew> okay...let's do that
[16:24] <robbiew> I'll send out a note to the team after the meeting
[16:24] <robbiew> [ACTION] robbiew send note about Activity Reports
[16:24] <MootBot> ACTION received:  robbiew send note about Activity Reports
[16:25] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Good News
[16:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  Good News
[16:26] <Keybuk> I fixed usplash \o/
[16:26] <Keybuk> Bad News is that I now need therapy for the amount of svgalib I ingested in the process
[16:26] <robbiew> heh
[16:26] <mterry_> nice
[16:26] <evand> I discovered apport-collect, which should make things easier.  So thanks to pitti.
[16:26] <robbiew> lol
[16:26] <evand> oh and the buildds are working again
[16:27] <cjwatson> furthermore, after some bouncing back and forth between Keybuk and me, Keybuk might have found a way to lose the text switch between usplash and X
[16:27] <robbiew> that would really be nice
[16:27] <liw> LP started talking to me again this afternoon
[16:27] <cjwatson> it does appear to require an X change as well, and I think display manager changes too
[16:28] <cjwatson> Keybuk has it working for him on his madly hacked system, now I'm trying to reproduce the hacks ;-)
[16:28] <robbiew> this is good and bad...as now DX will have ammunition for why we should own the boot splash work :P
[16:28] <Keybuk> well, kinda working, it only works if I use nouveau, and then X doesn't work so well <g>
[16:29] <robbiew> well hell
[16:29] <robbiew> lol
[16:29] <cjwatson> I think the basics work on Intel
[16:29] <cjwatson> but I need to grab an X server from one of Bryce's two zillion PPAs first
[16:30] <cjwatson> it basically works on KMS; non-KMS is still going to be ugly
[16:30] <cjwatson> but that's OK, IMO
[16:30] <robbiew> [TOPIC] AOB?
[16:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB?
[16:30] <robbiew> Book UDS travel
[16:31] <robbiew> yeehaw
[16:31] <robbiew> lol
[16:31] <slangasek> book UDS travel... two weeks ago? :)
[16:31]  * mvo has done this some days ago
[16:31]  * robbiew is driving
[16:32]  * robbiew is out next week on holiday...so cjwatson is in charge
[16:32] <robbiew> :D
[16:32] <robbiew> however, cjwatson is out next Thurs...so Keybuk is in charge
[16:32] <robbiew> that day...run for your lives!!!
[16:32] <robbiew> lol
[16:32] <evand> god save us
[16:32] <cjwatson> nothing important happens next Thursday, does it?
[16:32] <slangasek> oh good, I can sleep in Thursday
[16:32] <robbiew> heh
[16:32] <evand> lol
[16:33] <Keybuk> I hate you all
[16:33] <robbiew> lmao
[16:33] <robbiew> with that...
[16:33] <robbiew> #endmeeting
[16:33] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:33.
[16:33] <liw> thanks
[16:33]  * mvo waves
[16:34]  * slangasek waves
[16:34] <evand> thanks
[17:59]  * marjo waves
[17:59] <davmor2> hello
[17:59] <marjo> #startmeeting
[17:59] <pedro_> hola!
[17:59] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:59. The chair is marjo.
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[18:00] <marjo> hi folks,
[18:00]  * fader waves.
[18:00] <bdmurray> hi
[18:00] <marjo> QA Meeting Agenda
[18:00] <ara> hey
[18:00] <sbeattie> hey
[18:00] <marjo> Agenda:
[18:00] <marjo>     * SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie)
[18:00] <marjo>     * Bugday highlights -- pedro
[18:00] <marjo>     * Next week is RC -- ara
[18:01] <marjo> Any other agenda items to add?
[18:01] <marjo> [TOPIC] SRU testing - sbeattie (Steve Beattie)
[18:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  SRU testing - sbeattie (Steve Beattie)
[18:02] <sbeattie> SRU Activity for the past week (since 2009-10-07) was very light:
[18:02] <sbeattie> * Jaunty: 1 new package in -proposed (smart) and none pushed to -updates
[18:02] <sbeattie> * Intrepid: no new packages in -proposed and none pushed to -updates
[18:02] <sbeattie> * Hardy: 1 new package in -proposed (adept) and 1 pushed to -updates (zsync)
[18:02] <sbeattie> * Dapper: no non-security activity
[18:02] <sbeattie> Thanks to Dave Morley (davmor2) for testing zsync this week.
[18:03] <davmor2> \o/
[18:03] <sbeattie> There's at least one SRU that needs testing that would be good to get published before release: adept on updating from kubuntu/hardy to karmic.
[18:04] <pedro_> what's the bug number?
[18:04] <sbeattie> bug 439706, I think
[18:04] <davmor2> I can have a run at that tomorrow morning for you sbeattie
[18:05] <sbeattie> davmor2: that'd be awesome, thanks!
[18:05] <sbeattie> For the record, people interested in testing SRUs can always check the list of packages in the queue at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
[18:06] <sbeattie> That's all I have, unless there are any more questions...
[18:06] <marjo> thx, sbeattie
[18:06] <marjo> [TOPIC] Bugday highlights -- pedro
[18:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Bugday highlights -- pedro
[18:07] <pedro_> On Thursday 08 of October we had a bug day based on Confirmed Bugs without a package
[18:07] <ScottK> sbeattie: The adept SRU is important since Hardy is going out of support for Kubuntu
[18:07] <pedro_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20091008
[18:07] <pedro_> we had a great participation from the community, 58 bugs were triaged, thanks a lot to lfaraone, kamus, pwlars, hggdh2, gotunandan, simono and gothicx
[18:08] <pedro_> for the current week, we're celebrating a Bug day for the Server Team
[18:08] <pedro_> the progress so far is great: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20091014
[18:09] <pedro_> ttx and zul are doing a super work there also answering questions on the #ubuntu-bugs channel
[18:09] <pedro_> and as always, any kind of help there is more than welcome :-)
[18:10] <marjo> thx pedro_
[18:10] <marjo> [TOPIC] Next week is RC (ara)
[18:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  Next week is RC (ara)
[18:11] <ara> Just a reminder that next week is RC week. This is one of the most important milestones
[18:11] <ara> Try to keep your images as synced as possible, to start the testing early
[18:11] <ara> :)
[18:12] <davmor2> ara: just depends on how early slangasek lets us ;)
[18:12] <marjo> davmor2: so true
[18:12] <ara> davmor2, indeed, but if the images are synced, when he says, ready, steady, go! we are ready to go ;-)
[18:12] <davmor2> So true
[18:13] <davmor2> ara: are we coordinating efforts on u-testing?
[18:13] <ara> davmor2, as usual
[18:13] <slangasek> you can test any time you want, you don't have to take my word for it that the ISOs are known not to be ready :)
[18:13] <fader> Hehe
[18:14] <marjo> ara: anything else?
[18:15] <ara> marjo, that's it
[18:15] <marjo> [TOPIC] Checkbox in Karmic (cr3)
[18:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  Checkbox in Karmic (cr3)
[18:15] <cr3> There is current a new version of Checkbox building for Karmic, 0.8.4
[18:15] <cr3> This fixes many bugs which were oustanding, most importantly relating to dbus
[18:16] <cr3> The command line interface has also been improved to finally work properly
[18:16] <cr3> Hope everyone will appreciate the fixes and keep reporting bugs!
[18:16] <davmor2> useful :)
[18:16] <marjo> cr3: anything else?
[18:17] <cr3> That's about it, I expect another version will be needed to reach perfection for karmic :)
[18:18] <marjo> cr3: thx!
[18:18] <marjo> folks: anything else for today's meeting?
[18:18] <davmor2> nope
[18:18] <ara> nothing on my side
[18:18] <marjo> going once
[18:18] <marjo> twice
[18:19] <marjo> ok, i propose we adjourn the meeting
[18:19]  * fader feels like he should bid something.
[18:19] <marjo> fader: too late
[18:19] <marjo> ok, folks, thx again and go Karmic RC!
[18:19] <cr3> fader: 500 quatloos on the newcomer!
[18:19] <fader> \o/
[18:19] <fader> cr3: Geek :P
[18:20] <marjo> #endmeeting
[18:20] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:20.