[02:21] <Balsaq> hey _Techie_are you in here thursday after midnight usa eastern time
[02:25] <__Techie__> afternoon #xubuntu, does anyone know of an alternative bootloader to grub for booting a persistant usb install?
[02:35] <Balsaq> _Techie_you are here twice
[02:40] <__Techie__> yeah _techie_ is a ghost but im not ghosting him as im in a public locatiobn
[02:40] <__Techie__> location*
[02:42] <Balsaq> cause i spoke to the ghost ghost and no answer then a moment later you came in...coincidence
[02:42] <__Techie__> lol
[02:42] <__Techie__> what did you sya?
[02:42] <__Techie__> say*
[02:43] <Balsaq> so are you up for another knock down drag out...you had to go last time
[02:43] <__Techie__> wait, which time?
[02:43] <Balsaq> remember my 1st fiasco tossing ubu in mu puter?
[02:43] <__Techie__> flash?
[02:44] <Balsaq> well my ist ubu install..you hung in to avout halfway
[02:44] <Balsaq> about*
[02:44] <__Techie__> yeah sorry about that, im in school at the moment
[02:45] <Balsaq> thurs they are stuffing me with 6 ole puters and i am dying to stuff xubu in one
[02:45] <__Techie__> ooh cool
[02:45] <Balsaq> thurs after midnight usa eastern time...
[02:45] <__Techie__> i prolly wotn be on much, school rung home and i got in trouble with my dad
[02:45] <Balsaq> yur dad...how old are u
[02:45] <__Techie__> 18
[02:46] <Balsaq> so in HS or college
[02:46] <__Techie__> last year HS
[02:46] <Balsaq> wow you know a lot about computers
[02:46] <__Techie__> even though my school is names spotswood college
[02:46] <Balsaq> so what are you gonna major in...tunnels?
[02:47] <__Techie__> hardware and networking
[02:47] <__Techie__> if i can
[02:47] <Balsaq> cool if you do that the gov will hire you!
[02:47] <__Techie__> but ill probably go freelance without any qualificatuions
[02:47] <Balsaq> they need some good pro hackers
[02:47] <__Techie__> haha
[02:48] <Balsaq> i tried to rope pete into bein here but not sure if he's gonna make it either
[02:48] <__Techie__> pete?
[02:48] <__Techie__> you talking about _pete_?
[02:48] <Balsaq> always says Pete up there by your name on the right side of the screen
[02:48] <__Techie__> oh lol, hes cool
[02:49] <Balsaq> is he a room OP
[02:49] <__Techie__> really
[02:49] <Balsaq> no i am  asking you
[02:49] <__Techie__> not that i know of
[02:49] <Balsaq> well all the other names are in alpabetical order but you and pete are on top as if excluded from the alphabetical order
[02:50] <Balsaq> i asked pete and he said he doesn't have the names listed on there at all
[02:50] <__Techie__> nah its characters then alphabetical
[02:50] <Balsaq> oh iu see so the _ gets you up there
[02:50] <Balsaq> another perfect hack
[02:51] <__Techie__> hes using a command line client
[02:51] <__Techie__> thats why he doesnt have a user list
[02:51] <Balsaq> some rooms have a + sign indicating OP status...so in that case there is no OP here from what i can tell
[02:52] <__Techie__> we have chanserv as our ops are silent ops
[02:52] <__Techie__> they are only opped when needed
[02:52] <Balsaq> deep
[02:53] <__Techie__> yay i get out in just over 15 minutes
[02:53] <Balsaq> outta what
[02:53] <__Techie__> school
[02:53] <Balsaq> so its freakin 3pm in NZ?
[02:53] <__Techie__> 16 minutes exactly
[02:53] <__Techie__> 2:54
[02:54] <Balsaq> so you are hacked on thier internet as we speak
[02:54] <__Techie__> yeah'
[02:54] <__Techie__> tunneling through petes internet
[02:54] <Balsaq> get outta town
[02:55] <__Techie__> outta country more like it
[02:56] <Balsaq> i gave up on the flash incident btw...i am figuring the new old dell will run the dadgum youtube vids with xubu
[02:56] <__Techie__> yeah
[02:57] <__Techie__> if you want some eye candy on your desktop then you could try kubuntu
[02:58] <Balsaq> well all ireally want is speed it seems all the distros have an easy wat to get in the windows
[02:58] <Balsaq> wat=way*
[02:58] <Balsaq> every where i look they seem to say xubuntu is the fast version of ubuntu...
[02:59] <__Techie__> yeah, but if its a moderate system your desktop manager wont hinder it
[02:59] <__Techie__> 10 mintues
[03:00] <Balsaq> well i am not sure what moderate is, i aske dthe guy who hands out the computers but he couldn't tell me yet, so i printed the minimum specs from dell
[03:01] <Balsaq> hopefully they ordered them a little or alot above the minimum specs
[03:01] <__Techie__> well i class a moderate system as 1.5ghz+ 300mb+ RAM, and a 32mb video card
[03:03] <Balsaq> well  the 8200 could come in as low as 1.5 (up to 2.8ghz) , 128 rdram (up to 2gig) and up to 2 hard drives, the other 5 of them are 8250's and have automatically higher specs
[03:03] <__Techie__> anything this side of 2002 will most likely be near those specs
[03:03] <Balsaq> yeah these are around 2002 or newere from what i read
[03:04] <__Techie__> they will do fine
[03:05] <Balsaq> i am hoping they ordered a lil heavy due to corporate/lab type useage
[03:05] <__Techie__> is this the dell dimension 8200?
[03:06] <Balsaq> yes one is that the other five are 8250....the one i have here now is xpsr400
[03:06] <Balsaq> i think he dumped em on me so easily cause they run onflippin rdram
[03:06] <Balsaq> whick is pricey
[03:07] <__Techie__> yeah original DDR and SDRAM is very pricy
[03:07] <__Techie__> my system runs on original DDR
[03:07] <__Techie__> it cost me $70 australian for my 1gig stick
[03:07] <Balsaq> heck if i had to buy this crazy rdram new they want 150-300
[03:07] <Balsaq> noone even stock it new
[03:08] <__Techie__> anyway im gonna have to go soon, its 3:08
[03:08] <Balsaq> ok take ur easy
[03:08] <__Techie__> oh yeah, check out my latest project, a full ubuntu install on a usb drive
[03:09] <Balsaq> wow..hey maybe i could do that? then it just plugs into anything huh
[03:09] <__Techie__> yeah, if i get it working ill share my experience with you
[03:09] <Balsaq> 10-4
[03:09] <__Techie__> anyway, bells gone
[03:09] <__Techie__> seeya
[03:10] <Balsaq> later
[04:17] <raevol> anyone else getting spam from fstock?
[04:27] <squidly> raevol: yea
[04:27] <squidly> he's been dcc spaming me for the past couple of days
[04:31] <raevol> think i've seen it from a few nicks
[04:31] <raevol> home it gets taken care of :/
[04:32] <raevol> hope even
[04:41] <squidly> yea I need to talk to the admin on FN
[04:41] <squidly> however I have a minor issue talking to them. I've told Christel off more then once
[04:42] <raevol> hehe
[04:42] <squidly> yea
[04:42] <squidly> and when I tell people off. I'm not nice about it
[04:42] <raevol> that's usually the idea :x
[04:43] <squidly> raevol: you can be police when you tell someone off.. or you can let them know that you think the HIV virus is above them on the evolutionary ladder
[04:43] <squidly> guess what method I have used for christel?
[04:43] <raevol> haha, the latter?
[04:44] <squidly> yea
[04:44] <raevol> good times
[04:44] <squidly> yea
[04:44] <squidly> fine times and sad times too
[04:45] <raevol> that's irc
[04:45] <squidly> well the RL thing that really pushed me over the edge was how some issues were handeled when Lilo passed
[04:45] <squidly> but yea suck is IRC
[04:46] <raevol> yea
[05:33] <gigawatt> i'm having a huge issue with wireless on an MSI wind laptop using xubuntu
[05:34] <gigawatt> nm-applet doesn't see the internal wireless card
[05:34] <likemindead> Try "sudo ifup -a" gigawatt.
[05:36] <gigawatt> nope
[05:36] <gigawatt> i'v been having this issue off and on with wireless on msi wind
[05:37] <gigawatt> and i'v never been able to fix it, sometime it just "goes away"
[05:37] <likemindead> Is it showing up in "sudo iwlist scan" ?
[05:37] <gigawatt> wlan0 : no scan results
[05:37] <likemindead> Or "ifconfig -a" ?
[05:38] <gigawatt> it shows up under ifconfig
[05:38] <likemindead> That's a start. :-)
[05:38] <gigawatt> yeah
[05:38] <gigawatt> i tried wicd as well and it didn't see it
[05:39] <likemindead> What's the wireless card?
[05:39] <gigawatt> atheros ar242x
[05:39] <likemindead> !atheros
[05:40] <likemindead> That's all I've got.
[05:40] <gigawatt> ok i'll look at that
[05:40] <likemindead> Which version of Xubuntu are you running?
[05:41] <gigawatt> 9.04
[05:41] <likemindead> You could download 9.10 Beta & give it a try.
[05:41] <gigawatt> i might
[05:41] <gigawatt> what about this: v
[05:42] <gigawatt> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Atheros
[05:42] <likemindead> I've been loving 9.10 since Alpha 6.
[05:42] <likemindead> Worth a shot.
[05:43] <gigawatt> ok
[05:51] <Balsaq> i always call up verizon and make them connect me to wireless if i can't get it done and they do it everytime i set a computer
[05:51] <Balsaq> they'll take the call 24/7
[05:52] <Balsaq> being it s competitive il bet all wirelss companies will do the same
[07:48] <Balsaq> _Techie_ my computer is running wrong i'm about toss xubu in her dry are you in here this morning?
[07:48] <Balsaq> i think ubu and a kazillion updates have taken their toll
[08:54] <nikolam> hm. packages.ubuntu.com is down again..
[10:05] <kj4> hello all
[10:05] <kj4> anyone here?
[10:09] <kj4> hello fooks
[10:09] <kj4> any freplly helpsy buntoids here?
[10:10] <rgnr> help ppl
[10:10] <rgnr> my usb flash lost space
[10:16] <kj4> please explain
[10:29] <ablomen> kj4, whats your question?
[10:39] <rgnr> kj4:  well, i had 16gb on my usb and suddenly it came to be only 8mb
[10:46] <homebrewcider> hey there, I'm running xubuntu 8.10 on a server pc, I want to give it a static ip of 192.168.0.9 on my network, I can seemingly do that okay, but when I do, it cuts it's internet access, and I can't update (Failed to fetch....). It is running through a switch, with a smoothwall firewall at 192.168.0.1 ( of course). I've had this running before, but I don't know what I've done wrong this time, please help!
[10:53] <ablomen> homebrewcider, stupid question, but are you sure the ip isn't taken already?
[10:54] <ablomen> and are you sure you have set the right netmast & gateway?
[10:55] <homebrewcider> yeah, I'm sure
[10:55] <homebrewcider> set netmask of 255.255.255.0
[10:55] <homebrewcider> and gateway of 192.168.0.1, that's right isn't it?
[10:56] <ablomen> if it's your router it should be
[10:57] <ablomen> can you ping anything internal and/or external ip adresses? for example 74.125.67.100 (google.com)
[11:01] <homebrewcider> the thing is though,when I assign the static ip in the network manager, and fill in the netmask of 255.... etc, on saving it, the netmask becomes 24, that's it, just 24
[11:02] <ablomen> homebrewcider, try setting the ip etc in /etc/networking/interfaces.. network manager seems to work in misterious ways sometimes, after editing run sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[11:02] <_Pete__> homebrewcider: If I were you I would put static defines to the /etc/network/interfaces on drop whole network-damager
[11:02] <_Pete__> on=and
[11:05] <homebrewcider> I've tried that,I'll tgry again
[11:05] <homebrewcider> hehe, tgry=try
[11:05] <_Pete__> this is how I have it http://pastebin.com/m670e15ad
[11:06] <_Pete__> also, remember to update /etc/resolv.conf
[11:07] <homebrewcider> checking now
[11:08] <homebrewcider> ok, dumb question, how do I update /etc/resolv.conf
[11:09] <homebrewcider> it just says #generated by neetworkmanager
[11:10] <_Pete__> if you only use static address
[11:11] <_Pete__> then you dont need whole network-manager
[11:11] <_Pete__> edit the file manually and but your nameservrs theres
[11:13] <homebrewcider> sorry, edit it to what?'
[11:13] <_Pete_> http://pastebin.com/m26099a44
[11:13] <_Pete_> this is mine
[11:14] <_Pete_> first two are opendns and last is the router
[11:17] <homebrewcider> could they be the primary and secondary dns that my isp gave me?
[11:17] <_Pete_> sure
[11:17] <homebrewcider> ok, I'll try that
[11:23] <homebrewcider> do I have to disable networkmangler? or something similar
[11:25] <_Pete_> I think it pointless to have if you only use that static connection
[11:26] <homebrewcider> does it "take things over" though?
[11:26] <homebrewcider> do I have to disable networking in it or anything?
[11:27] <_Pete_> I am not quite sure
[11:28] <homebrewcider> I'm testing it now
[11:29] <_Pete_> after modifying interface/resolv.conf do: /etc/init.d/networking restart so it will apply new settings
[11:30] <homebrewcider> did that, i could ping google, but not load web pages
[11:30] <_Pete_> recheck you resolv.conf is ok
[11:32] <homebrewcider> hmm, what I put in there has disappeared.....
[11:32] <_Pete_> network-damager doing something then
[11:32] <_Pete_> so better remove it
[11:35] <homebrewcider> doing it now
[11:37] <homebrewcider> synaptic couldn't "find some resources", might have to go back to dhcp in network damager, get "online" remove it, then change things?
[11:37] <_Pete_> apt-get --purge remove network-manager
[11:38] <_Pete_> should be enough
[11:38] <homebrewcider> ok
[11:38] <_Pete_> (jsut removed own one too) :)
[11:41] <homebrewcider> I think I've got it thanx to you
[11:44] <homebrewcider> many thanks
[11:45] <nikolam> MY WHOLE system behaves like crap when installing packages
[11:45] <nikolam> I run LTS
[11:46] <nikolam> it is Crap that everything is twitching and mouse and winodws and sound and all apps not working fine while synaptic is installing something
[11:46] <nikolam> I am sick of it..
[11:46] <nikolam> i type text and it gets cached and not displayed on screen while installing some freakin .debs
[11:47] <nikolam> why a freak default priority for synaptig installing something is not lower for god sake
[11:48] <nikolam> or i need to run RT kernel to avoid thatt shitty synaptic / deb install behavior
[11:48] <nikolam> My machine is useless while installing packages it sucks.
[12:36] <DaWyzir> HOZSANNA DICSOSEGES TESVEREIM
[13:03] <kurakuska> hallo
[13:06] <DaWyzir> karakuska brotha aloha
[13:06] <kurakuska> can i do a question on wicd istallition on xubuntu?
[13:07] <kurakuska> sorry for my english
[13:07] <kurakuska> i'm italian
[13:08] <kurakuska> where can i find the wicd?
[13:14] <homebrewcider> I'm trying to change ownership of a folder, am I doing it right? <sudo chown name:name /path >  ?
[13:16] <TheSheep> yes
[13:16] <Pres-Gas> homebrewcider, if you are wanting to change the ownership of the contents as well, you would do "sudo chown -R uname:group /path"
[13:17] <homebrewcider> forgot the -R
[13:17] <Pres-Gas> Only if you are also wanting to change all the files within the folder
[13:18] <homebrewcider> which I am
[13:18] <homebrewcider> says "not permitted"
[13:19] <Pres-Gas> homebrewcider, what directory are you wanting to change?
[13:19] <Pres-Gas> a system one?
[13:20] <homebrewcider> < /media/data >
[13:20] <homebrewcider> have a 1tb drive mounted there
[13:21] <Pres-Gas> homebrewcider, issue "mount | grep /media/data" and show us that line, please.
[13:23] <homebrewcider> < /dev/sda1 on /media/data type vfat (rw) >
[13:25] <Pres-Gas> hmmm...homebrewcider, I am not sure if vfat responds to chowns....the directory itself (/media/data) may, but not the contents...am I right on that, TheSheep?
[13:26] <homebrewcider> got it done once before, a while ago though, can't remember what I had to do
[13:26] <_Pete_> is it portable(usb or such) drive=
[13:26] <_Pete_> ?
[13:28] <Pres-Gas> homebrewcider, try reading these articles over:
[13:28] <Pres-Gas> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-447173.html
[13:28] <homebrewcider> no, sata internal, on pci card. I've had this sorted once before, but it was a while ago, I had it writable and all, but I had it mounted in the "wrong place".....long story
[13:29] <Pres-Gas> http://www.redhat.com/archives/redhat-install-list/2001-September/msg00214.html
[13:29] <_Pete_> homebrewcider: why is it vfat?
[13:29] <Pres-Gas> I think you will need to remount it, homebrewcider
[13:29] <homebrewcider> has to be vfat to be writable from the pvr in the other room
[13:30] <homebrewcider> won't let me unmmount it though
[13:32] <_Pete_> how does pvr access the drive?
[13:36] <homebrewcider> I can unmount the drive, chown the folder okay, but when I mount the drive again, the ownership changes back to root
[13:37] <Pres-Gas> homebrewcider, those articles I sent you talk about mounting the vfat drives under different ownership
[19:38] <jayjay> am new xubuntu newbie,chnaged in thunar the read permissions of foto directories + files, how can I undo this to read and edit them again, please help who can
[19:39] <jarnos> jayjay, enable write permission in thunar
[19:40] <jarnos> jayjay, and read permissions.
[19:40] <jayjay> I did, but only the folders are "unchecke" do I have to uncheck every single pic
[19:40] <jayjay> tnx jarmos
[19:43] <jayjay> Jarnos, any advice for me how to get all permissions to all files
[19:44] <jarnos> jayjay, try setting permission of the parent directory in thunar
[19:45] <jayjay> done!,only the directory is permitted the pics inside not..
[19:47] <jarnos> jayjay, didn't it ask you whether it should apply recursively?
[19:48] <jayjay> ehhm, no, it simply takes the read and write permissions, but I cant open the pics indide the folders
[19:50] <jayjay> when I do the same procedure with every single pic, it works, but it would take months to do it
[19:51] <jcfp> jayjay: there's an option in thunar's preferences, whether it should apply permissions recursively or not
[19:52] <jayjay> found and try it out now, please jarnos wait a second
[19:54] <jayjay> no change, the folders act the same like before
[19:56] <jayjay> tnx jcfp, but no change
[19:56] <jayjay> should I restart the system maybe
[19:57] <jcfp> jayjay: you do know that directories need +x to be accessible?
[19:57] <jayjay> sorry am newbie, what do you mean with +x
[19:58] <jayjay> changed the permissions not by terminal
[19:58] <jcfp> guess thunar does that automatically since it presents only read and write options to the user
[20:00] <jayjay> when unoing it, it only chnages the folders not the content, how can I solve it by terminal to get permissions to the ingle pics again
[20:04] <jcfp> jayjay: chmod -R u+rwx <directory with those file>
[20:05] <jayjay> my hero jcfp! tnx so much for ya help, it solved my problem
[20:06] <jcfp> yw
[20:30] <jarnos> My system freezes, if I use suspend/hibernate with restricted nvidia display driver in jaunty. It is version 96.43.10, but nvidia site has newer driver. What can I do to make hibernate/suspend work, if I continue to use a restricted driver?
[22:46] <nikolam> Grrrr
[22:46] <nikolam> how to avoid locked and slow and unresponsive system while installing apps
[22:46] <nikolam> with synaptic?
[22:46] <nikolam> grrrr
[22:54] <jarnos> nikolam, does "nice" help?
[23:15] <Balsaq> hello KB1JWQ!
[23:25] <nikolam> jarnos, didn`t try. Every time i hit icon in meny for synaptic and i shout around :)
[23:26] <nikolam> I am interested in a way of editing Xfce menu, so I can edit menu item and insert that nice befor synaptic and update commands