[00:01] <ScottK-laptop> OK. So quassel 0.5.0 seems to work.
[00:01] <ScottK> ScottK-laptop: Ping.
[00:02] <ScottK-laptop> Ship it ....
[00:05] <ScottK> Riddell and Sput: Finall Quassel 0.5.0 uploaded.
[00:06] <Sput> \o/
[00:06] <Sput> thanks :)
[00:06] <ScottK> A full 54 minutes before final freeze.
[00:06] <Sput> we're getting better
[00:06] <Sput> next time we'll waste even less time!
[00:07] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: eek, could you upload kde4libs then?
[00:08] <DarkwingDuck> 54 Min?
[00:09]  * Sput wasn't even aware that freeze was that close... when I asked the other day, I thought "Tue/Wed" included the usual 1 day package building buffer :)
[00:09] <Sput> or excluded, rather
[00:11] <JontheEchidna> ScottK, Tonio_, Riddell: also kdepim needs a sponsor for a package overwrite fix
[00:43]  * JontheEchidna gets a bit nervous
[00:47] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: fear not I shall upload
[00:47] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[00:48] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: there is a keycodes merge awaiting, but I do not know if 12 minutes before final freeze is the best time for a change like that
[00:49] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: keycodes?  which source package?
[00:50] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: kde4libs
[00:50] <JontheEchidna> [18:23:24] <debfx> I posted a merge request https://code.launchpad.net/~debfx/kdelibs/kaction-qt-keys/+merge/13388 to fix bug #293213
[00:58] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=549308
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> 20_use_dejavu_as_default_font.diff is currently broken
[01:05] <Riddell> kdepim uploaded
[01:08] <lex79> another trying to overwrite, lp bug 451762
[01:11] <Riddell> kdebase-workspace uploaded
[01:16] <Riddell> uploading kde4libs with this changelog http://paste.ubuntu.com/293571/
[01:17] <JontheEchidna> cool, that should take care of all that I can recall needs done
[01:24] <Riddell> lex79: fixing
[01:24] <lex79> Riddell: I uploaded to bzr
[01:24] <Riddell> oh you got there first
[01:24] <lex79> yeah
[01:24] <lex79> :P
[01:25] <Riddell> uploading
[01:28] <Riddell> anything else needing uploading?
[01:29] <JontheEchidna> I'm good here
[01:31] <JontheEchidna> are things officially frozen or can I still sneak a universe upload in w/o motu-release approval?
[01:34] <Riddell> I don't think it's frozen yet
[01:38] <debfx> Riddell: seb128 uploaded the pidgin tray icon fix, but said he will probably drop it for karmic+1
[01:40] <Riddell> debfx: maybe pidgin will use the nice new systray spec by then (we can hope anyway)
[01:47] <JontheEchidna> bug 448865 needs addressing in some way or another
[01:58] <Riddell> mm, I could just upload the new qtcurve packages but it's the startkde stuff I'm worried about
[01:59] <DarkwingDuck> Is there a way to "undo" an update?
[02:00] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Universe doesn't freeze for a while yet
[02:02] <ScottK> BTW, final freeze is sometime Thursday, so we just hit the opening of the window.  The actual time is left vague and depends on when slangasek decides.
[02:02] <ScottK> Stuff that fixes significant bugs will get through probably until Tuesday, just needs Ubuntu release approval.
[02:05] <JontheEchidna> now that my sleep button will work, I must make sure I set it not to hibernate/suspend my keyboard
[02:06] <JontheEchidna> I always accidentally hit it when trying to raise the volume
[02:10] <lex79> Riddell: are you uploading qtcurve stuff? there are new versions, 0.69.1
[02:11] <lex79> I'm uploading to bzr btw
[02:15] <Riddell> lex79: what's new?
[02:15] <lex79> bugfixes release, changelog: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/QtCurve+%28KDE4%2C+KDE3%2C+%26+Gtk2+Theme%29?content=40492
[02:23] <lex79> 0.69.1 uploaded to bzr
[03:54] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: got another -workspace upload, for KDE bug 209271
[03:55] <JontheEchidna> debfx also had another patch for workspace, if it's something we want: https://code.launchpad.net/~debfx/kdebase-workspace/powerdevil-brightness-shortcuts/+merge/13390
[04:23] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: What does that fix?  brightness keys work fine for me now?
[04:24]  * JontheEchidna shrugs
[04:24] <lex79> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/33702652/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-amd64.kdepim_4%3A4.3.2-0ubuntu4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[04:27] <ScottK> lex79: Archive skew.  Needs a retry after the amd64 binaries get published.
[04:28]  * JontheEchidna is wondering if i386 is published yet, I wanna test it out
[04:29] <lex79> ScottK: Yeah, I put the link here just for you :) just to remember you to retry :P
[04:30] <lex79> JontheEchidna: 386 is published
[04:30] <JontheEchidna> yeah, d/l'ing right now :)
[04:31] <JontheEchidna> same story with workspace: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.3.2-0ubuntu3/+build/1292752/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-amd64.kdebase-workspace_4:4.3.2-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[04:32] <lex79> seems kdelibs built on cpu Atom this night IoI
[05:47] <Lure> Riddell, ScottK: kdebase-workspace also needs retry on amd64: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/33702490/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-amd64.kdebase-workspace_4:4.3.2-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[05:48] <ScottK> Lure: It helps more to give a link to the build page.  I'll have a look.
[05:49] <Lure> ScottK: this one? https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.3.2-0ubuntu3
[05:53] <ScottK> Lure: Yes, but even more specifically https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.3.2-0ubuntu3/+build/1292752
[05:54] <ScottK> Retried.
[06:13] <Lure> ScottK: thanks
[08:42] <Lure> Riddell: just thumbs up - latest kde4libs fixes digikam crash in khtml for me
[10:14] <Riddell> Lure: awooga
[10:56] <Riddell> debfx: the brightness keys on my laptop work already, I'm not sure if that's done in hardware or somewhere else along the software stack but it would seem to clash with your merge proposal
[10:58] <debfx> Riddell: are you able to change the brightness using the battery applet?
[10:59] <Riddell> debfx: yes
[11:01] <debfx> so if it's handled by the hardware we would need to detect that
[11:02] <Riddell> right
[11:02] <Riddell> debfx: do brightness keys work for you without the patch?
[11:02] <Riddell> I notice I have this in my lshal output   laptop_panel.brightness_in_hardware = false  (bool)
[12:30] <debfx> Riddell: no they don't
[12:32] <davmor2> Riddell: I'm having to use adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel-lts to get to karmic is this the way it's meant to be done?  p.s. I'm testing the adept from proposed
[12:45] <debfx> Riddell: are the brightness keycodes sent to X11 on your laptop?
[12:47] <Riddell> debfx: yes, XF86MonBrightnessUp and Down are
[12:48] <Riddell> davmor2: yes it is
[12:48] <davmor2> Riddell: Fails :(
[12:48] <Riddell> davmor2: how so?
[12:50] <debfx> Riddell: are you sure it's not handled by another power manager?
[12:50] <davmor2> the upgrade is now aborted.  Your system could be in an unusable state.  A recovery will run now (dpkg --configure -a) options report bug and close.  Problem is report bug points at +filebug :)  which in turn is redirected to how to file a bug :) yay champion
[12:51] <davmor2> Riddell: ^
[12:51] <EagleScreen> my brightness keys have never worked in 9.10
[12:51] <Riddell> debfx: I really don't know where they're handled I'm ashamed to say
[12:52] <Riddell> davmor2: so it ran the DistUpgrade tool and was upgrading to karmic?
[12:52] <EagleScreen> xev recognise my keys
[12:52] <davmor2> Riddell: Yeap
[12:52] <Riddell> davmor2: file and bug and attach the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade and I'll take a look
[13:04] <davmor2> Riddell: bug 452090 this is an sru test for sbeattie so I'm using adept packages from hardy-proposed.  term.log says it can't be uploaded it's empty but I'll double check that
[13:05] <davmor2> Riddell: yeah it's an empty file
[13:07] <Riddell> hum, there's no obvious errors in those logs
[13:12] <Riddell> dpm: desktop-kdepim-runtime doesn't exist upstream, it's strings are part of desktop-kdepim, could you upload desktop-kdepim's stings to desktop-kdepim-runtime in rosetta? (or is arne better to ask for that?)
[13:14] <jtechidna> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/293213/comments/20 hm...
[13:16] <Riddell> jtechidna: that bug should also have an entry open on kdebase-workspace which isn't yet closed
[13:17] <dpm> Riddell, you can ask either of us, but where should we fetch the desktop-kdepim translations from?
[13:17] <Riddell> dpm: desktop-kdepim is already in rosetta, it comes from kde-l10n-xx
[13:18] <jtechidna> Riddell: seems python isn't fixed? bug 451105
[13:19] <dpm> Riddell, in which kubuntu source package desktop-kdepim-runtime is in?
[13:20] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: checking
[13:20] <JontheEchidna> dpm: kdepim-runtime
[13:20] <dpm> thanks JontheEchidna
[13:21] <JontheEchidna> yw
[13:23] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: for brightness keys, bug 315001, perhaps bug 318327
[13:25] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: those are part of the same problem yes
[13:26] <Riddell> which I'm suspecting is more complex than it ought to be
[13:36] <dpm> Could anyone have a look at bug 450349? I think this has been mentioned some other times already, and after talking to Arne he seems to think language-selector could take care of those packages
[13:39] <Riddell> dpm: langauge selector does prompt to install kde-l10n-xx when it's missing for a used language
[13:40] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: your arora default settings stuff causes a new input action entry to be added each login
[13:41] <JontheEchidna> (the mouse gestures stuff for KDE)
[13:41] <dpm> Riddell, it does it in Ubuntu, but it doesn't seem to do it in Kubuntu. I tried it yesterday and it did not prompt me to install the kde-l10n-ca package when I installed Catalan
[13:42] <JontheEchidna> ^update-notifier-kde hasn't notified about that for whatever reason since 8.10
[13:42] <JontheEchidna> upgrade hooks seem busted too
[13:43] <dpm> JontheEchidna, do you know if is there a bug about that already?
[13:43] <JontheEchidna> not that I'm aware of
[13:45] <JontheEchidna> why can't language-selector install 'em by default, though?
[13:46] <dpm> JontheEchidna, Arne tells me that it could do it (let me get him in here)
[13:47] <Quintasan> hiho
[13:47] <Quintasan> what's with updates? it calculates broken dependencies for 5 minutes :S
[14:02] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: really wried.....
[14:02] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: well drop them then
[14:03] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: we have no time to waste on that
[14:03] <dpm> ok, language-selector now prompted me to install additional translation support and it did install the kde-l10n-* packages, but only the second time I tried to install a package...
[14:03] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: it's a shame, and it seems you've tried to fix this before.. oh well
[14:05] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: it's okay
[14:05] <Tonio_> you're right with the irst version I uploaded
[14:05] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: but it works now, it just lached an "importid" field in it, which is there now
[14:06] <JontheEchidna> I installed the latest updates yesterday, rebooted and had two Arora entries in the KHotKeys kcm
[14:06] <JontheEchidna> a few days before that I had like 9 entries which I deleted
[14:08] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I just rebooted, and just have one
[14:09] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: can you tail /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/apps/khotkeys/arora-gestures.khotkeys
[14:09] <Tonio_> and tell me if you have an importid there ?
[14:09] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: it has the importID there
[14:10] <Tonio_> and if you logout and login ?
[14:12] <JontheEchidna> before: http://imagebin.ca/view/qTO3BUaY.html
[14:12] <JontheEchidna> (brb, rebooting)
[14:16] <JontheEchidna> the weird thing is, I got a duplicate before I rebooted, in between the time I tested this morning and told you
[14:16] <JontheEchidna> but now I've rebooted and there is only one
[14:17] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: hum, maybe because you updated kds right after your last reboot ?
[14:18] <Tonio_> I don't know
[14:18] <Tonio_> seems to work afaics
[14:18] <JontheEchidna> I did do an update this morning
[14:18]  * JontheEchidna reinstalls kubuntu-default-settings
[14:21] <Quintasan> wat, IRC Plasmoid - http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/IRC+plasmoid?content=108428
[14:22] <JontheEchidna> maybe it works now? I'll keep an eye on it
[14:24] <JontheEchidna> that KNotification kwallet gives when it asks you for a password is stupid. Do I need a notification to tell me that I have a popup dialog?
[14:27] <Quintasan> urgh, too late for an update
[14:40] <giordy> hi
[14:40] <giordy> I noticed a problem in update-notifier-kde
[14:40] <giordy> I've updated to karmic the day before yesterday
[14:41] <giordy> I tried to run it
[14:41] <giordy> as notifications were lacking
[14:41] <giordy> and I got this
[14:42] <giordy> $ update-notifier-kde
[14:42] <giordy> Traceback (most recent call last):
[14:42] <giordy>   File "/usr/bin/update-notifier-kde", line 29, in <module>
[14:42] <giordy>     from PyKDE4.kdecore import *
[14:42] <giordy> ImportError: No module named kdecore
[14:43] <giordy> anyone here?
[14:46] <debfx> Riddell: I checked how gnome-power-manger handes the brightness hotkeys
[14:47] <ArneGoetje> dpm: here
[14:48] <debfx> Riddell: if the the cached brightness doesn't match the current brightness, it doesn't change the brightness
[14:49] <debfx> and also checks the value of brightness_in_hardware
[14:51] <dpm> ArneGoetje, I was just commenting bug 450349 with Riddell and JontheEchidna, as it seems that the expected behaviour for language-selector would be to install the kde-l10n-* packages, which does not seem to do in all cases
[14:57] <ArneGoetje> dpm: actually the latest ubiquity should pull it automatically now... I will test it with the latest daily plus updates.
[14:58] <dpm> ArneGoetje, ah, sounds good. Could you please comment on the bug with the outcome of the test when you're done?
[15:01] <ArneGoetje> dpm: sure
[15:02] <dpm> thanks
[15:23] <Riddell> debfx: yeah so presumably powerdevil would need to do the same.  also an on screen indicator would be a big bonus
[19:01] <lex79> JontheEchidna: do we want choqok 1.0~alpha2 ? it's too late?
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> too late I'd say
[19:02] <lex79> ok
[19:06] <lex79> oh, I thought that we had the alpha1 in archive, we have still 0.6.6, so it's too late really :)
[19:53] <jussi01> Riddell: kubotujust doesnt like you :P
[19:54] <jussi01> argh.
[19:54] <jussi01> scrolled back and forgot to scroll forward
[19:54] <jussi01> so thats like from afew days back :P
[19:55] <DaskreEch> jussi01: Ha ha You have joined the Higgs boson in time travelling
[20:02] <DaskreEch> Lynx is LTS for Kubuntu ?
[20:05] <lex79> yes
[20:09] <DaskreEch> ok
[20:18] <EagleScreen> hello
[20:18] <DaskreEch> hi
[20:19] <EagleScreen> I feel that Arora loads pages faster in Kubuntu than in other distributions as OpenSuse, anybody can think why can be it?
[20:21] <DaskreEch> placebo efect?
[20:21]  * Sput knows someone who claims that firefox renders faster than arora
[20:21] <tsimpson> maybe it's to do with how they compiled Qt, but it's not a trivial thing to find out
[20:29] <EagleScreen> maybe.. because Qt libraries are the same
[20:37] <lex79> JontheEchidna: I've 40 arora entries in khotkey kcm
[20:39] <JontheEchidna> maybe we should remove it to be on the safe side... iirc it came in pretty late after feature freeze
[20:47] <firephoto> is the karmic installer suppose to download  and install all(?) the language packs?
[20:48] <tsimpson> probably not
[20:48] <JontheEchidna> lex79: btw, with the latest kernel, deleting files works. (you can see the deletion in dolphin without reloading)
[20:50] <lex79> JontheEchidna: yay :) and works also for extract archive? can you see the folder when you exctract an archive?
[20:52] <firephoto> there's a skip button too as the installer progresses. not sure what it's suppose to skip. seems to finish the install anyway when you click it but you just don't get to see it doing it's finishing thing.
[20:52] <lex79> JontheEchidna: I tried, yes it works
[21:02] <EagleScreen> karmic installer does not download language packages for me, i need to run language-selector later to install them
[21:11] <lex79> removing all arora entries manually and reinstallation kubuntu-default-settings the problem of duplicate entries disappears
[21:51] <EagleScreen> all you have done a good work with Karmic, congratulations
[21:52] <JontheEchidna> :)
[22:11] <DaskreEch> kolala Really does feel a lot nicer not only am I not hitting on any showstopper bugs (other than sound) It feels faster than Jackalope
[22:23] <Tscheesy_> on Karmic i have no Keycode-respond in xev on "Fn+BrightnessRaise/Lower" anymore - Kubuntu Netbook Edition, HW:nc10, vmlinuz-2.6.31-14-generic
[22:27] <Tscheesy_> (within Jaunty i used it with: xbindkeys xrandr xbacklight)
[22:35] <DaskreEch> Yeah I don't get PrintScreen bound to Ksnapshot anymore
[22:35] <DaskreEch> No sure what caused that
[22:44] <Tscheesy_> re - Lock-Fn-Key works - but then my PWD is not accepted