[00:00] <chuck_phl> leaf-sheep: open eyes, I called myself retarded cause I can't figure it out and no one here has the problem.. so leaves me thinking its me
[00:01] <chuck_phl> always thought installing a test os onto a seperate hard drive was the safest way
[00:01] <chuck_phl> until the bootloader sticks it to you
[00:02] <leaf-sheep> chuck_phl: I'm kidding. That's what happen when you mess with the knacking koalas.
[00:02] <leaf-sheep> chuck_phl: You tested the beta or you tried the daily karmic iso?
[00:02] <chuck_phl> leaf-sheep: hey, it looks cool thats why I wanna try it, just the beta
[00:03] <leaf-sheep> chuck_phl: Rule #1 -- Always have a main system. If you do not have one, then it's not wise to play around on it.
[00:04] <leaf-sheep> chuck_phl: There are lot of updates since the beta -- You should give karmic daily iso a try and see if that works.  Otherwise, stick with what you want to do.
[00:05] <chuck_phl> leaf-sheep: well as long as the distro doesn't format my partitions, I'm a pro at rebooting 50 times and screwing with microsoft's crap disk tools
[00:06] <chuck_phl> if I get karmic installed can I use update to get it current?
[00:06] <joaopinto> !final | chuck_phl
[00:07] <chuck_phl> the bedside manner in IRC is scary, anyways thanks for the helps guys.. gonna go gothic /slit my wrists while installing this!
[00:07] <joseantoniordlmc> does anyone know how to enable the desktop effects
[00:07] <joaopinto> joseantoniordlmc, you were already told
 system>preferences>appearance>visual effects
[00:08] <rob0> Bedside manner? Whose bed?
[00:08] <joseantoniordlmc>  I went away sorry
[00:09] <rob0> leaf-sheep, are you being scary?
[00:09] <joseantoniordlmc> can anybody help me please
[00:09] <rob0> 23:07 < joaopinto> joseantoniordlmc, you were already told
[00:09] <rob0> 23:07 < joaopinto> <bjsnider> system>preferences>appearance>visual effects
[00:10] <leaf-sheep> rob0: I don't see why I should not. This is the good month to start scaring kids.
[00:10] <thiebaude> joseantoniordlmc, are your graphics card drivers installed?
[00:10] <rob0> But being a sheep, I must tell you:
[00:10] <rob0> that's baaaaaaaaaaaad
[00:11] <joseantoniordlmc> thanks im  very stupid sorry
[00:11] <joseantoniordlmc> yes now its working
[00:12] <joseantoniordlmc> does anyone knows a blog or something similar that gives nice support for karmic software
[00:13] <leaf-sheep> joseantoniordlmc: Google "Ubuntu Guide Karmic" -- It should be similar to Intrepid Guides/Support
[00:13] <shadowhywind> joseantoniordlmc: your best but is the forums
[00:13] <joseantoniordlmc> but like tutorials
[00:13] <spiraliz> _tuxxy, youtube works fine
[00:13] <leaf-sheep> joseantoniordlmc: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Karmic
[00:14] <quidnunc> How do I disable the GDM login-ready sound?
[00:14] <shadowhywind> if you look in the forums there are tons of tutorials, I just got done using one to install eclipse
[00:14] <_tuxxy> spiraliz, with the 64-bit flash plugin
[00:16] <shadowhywind> joseantoniordlmc: another thing, is look for the ubuntu wiki, those tutorials might help too
[00:16] <joseantoniordlmc> like this one http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/09/picasa-35-linux-install.html
[00:17] <joseantoniordlmc> but for more sofware
[00:17] <joseantoniordlmc> or any different blog
[00:17] <spiraliz> _tuxxy, oh, i just installed the one from repositories
[00:18] <shadowhywind> joseantoniordlmc: search for what you want here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[00:18] <_tuxxy> ye I dont like that its too slow and buggy
[00:25] <RussellAlan> wheres an ubuntu server room?
[00:26] <Cameron> Hi.  I have a problem with the mysql client binary.  Keys like DEL ant CTRL-LEFT or CTRL-RIGHT print odd characters to the terminal rather than performing their action.   Is this likely a config ussue, or a bug ?
[00:28] <durt> RussellAlan, #ubuntu-server IIRC
[00:30] <Veinor> gah. I need to install a package from launchpad but there's no karmic repository, only a jaunty one
[00:32] <Omar87> The system keeps crashing on me and logging out.
[00:53] <quidnunc> How do I disable the GDM login-ready sound?
[01:00] <girlsname> My Dell Mini 10v has an audio hiccup on 9.10 Beta when using any sort of 3D Graphics.
[01:01] <mzz> quidnunc: bug 437429
[01:02] <mzz> err
[01:02] <girlsname> Not quiet :-D
[01:02] <mzz> the "invalid" in there isn't the full story, see the bug's actual status :)
[01:02] <girlsname> *quite
[01:03] <mzz> I don't know about audio hickups, sorry.
[01:03] <girlsname> I never tested it out in 9.04 before I moved over to beta so Im not sure if it was there as well or not.
[01:04] <mzz> "hickup" may simply be pulse being cpu-starved for a split second, I think
[01:04] <mzz> but it could be something completely different, I can't really help there.
[01:04] <girlsname> I think hiccup might be the wrong description
[01:04] <girlsname> its a stutter really
[01:06] <mzz> quidnunc: that one actually bugs me enough that I'm going to try to patch it tomorrow (judging from the bug comments it's not hard)
[01:07] <kcsrnd> if i download karmic beta, can i upgrade to the stable version when it releases?
[01:07] <quidnunc> mzz: I'm glad its not just me. Thanks.
[01:07] <kcsrnd> i'm ready to take vista off my laptop, but i'm wondering if i shouldn't wait the 15 days
[01:08] <mzz> kcsrnd: perhaps do a scratch install of the beta now (shrinking vista instead of replacing it), then decide in 15 days whether you want to freshly install final
[01:09] <mzz> kcsrnd: afaik you'll be pretty close to final if you install now and then fully upgrade (final freeze is now-ish)
[01:09] <mzz> but I'm still a bit new to ubuntu, so I might be missing something
[01:09] <mzz> or wait a week and install the rc :)
[01:10] <Fernandos> Is it possible to activate Compiz in Ubuntu Karmic (9.10) with my ATI R350??
[01:10] <mzz> Fernandos: I'd expect that to work, but I haven't actually tried (and I'm not going to get around to it in the next few days, I think)
[01:10] <girlsname> Another problem Ive had from 9.04 to 9.10 is the touchpad seems less responsive for "Touch Click". I sometimes have to bang on it to get it work.
[01:10] <mzz> I haven't noticed that
[01:11] <girlsname> You have a 10v?
[01:11] <Fernandos> mzz I simply installed the restricted drivers, that's why compiz is not working anymore
[01:11] <mzz> I have noticed touchpads aren't actually pressure-sensitive, it's more like surface area-sensitive
[01:11] <mzz> Fernandos: yeah, I wouldn't install the restricted drivers for a 3xx caard
[01:11] <mzz> card, even
[01:11] <Fernandos> mzz: compiz worked before! But youtube and any video was EXTREMELY laggy :(
[01:12] <mzz> girlsname: no, completely different laptop, but I haven't noticed its touchpad behaving differently as far as clicking goes
[01:12] <kcsrnd> i only turn compiz on when friends stop by .lol
[01:12] <mzz> Fernandos: yes, but current fglrx dropped support for that card, while I suspect the xf86-video-ati in karmic is a bit better than what's in jaunty
[01:12] <girlsname> Hmm maybe its just mental but I dont recall having as hard of a time as I do now on 9.04
[01:13] <mzz> girlsname: oh, it's entirely possible it did change and I just don't notice because I was way above the threshold before
[01:13] <mzz> girlsname: you can tweak this stuff though, let me spin up the laptop and see how
[01:13] <Fernandos> mzz: what I don't understand is. It worked like a charm on ubuntu 8.10, why doesn't it work on ubuntu 9.10?
[01:14] <mzz> Fernandos: remind me what version of xorg-server 8.10 has?
[01:14] <Fernandos> videos weren't laggy. I had the flicker bug, but compiz worked.
[01:14] <mzz> Fernandos: also, did you actually try without the restricted drivers first? If not: can you completely uninstall them and try compiz?
[01:14] <Fernandos> mzz: I know that the xorg-server is not the same and many many things changed...
[01:15] <mzz> Fernandos: fglrx (restricted driver) is dropping support for everything that's reasonably well-supported by the open one (performance is still a bit behind occasionally, but features are there)
[01:15] <Fernandos> mzz: as said. compiz works perfect with the originally installed drivers, BUT ANY video laggs so much that video in any form is unusable.
[01:15] <mzz> Fernandos: the versions of fglrx that still support your card don't work well or at all with recent xorg-server
[01:16] <Fernandos> damn fucking ATI
[01:16] <mzz> Fernandos: so your best bet is either to stick with an ancient xorg-server and fglrx or upgrade to the open drivers
[01:16] <mzz> Fernandos: I don't know offhand what version of xf86-video-ati ended up in karmic, but there's likely one tweak you can make:
[01:16] <Fernandos> mzz: you mean downgrade to the open drivers..
[01:17] <mzz> Fernandos: if you use the gst media preferences thingy you should see you have two xv adaptors available, one using textured video, the other not. Try both.
[01:17] <Fernandos> mzz: It's cool to have compiz. But uncool when no youtube or any video works. you know..
[01:17] <mzz> Fernandos: I have an rv350 (radeon 9600xt), it handles fullscreen video (xv, so most stuff that isn't flash) just fine
[01:17] <Fernandos> ah.. I remember
[01:17] <mzz> Fernandos: I've pretty much given up on flash on linux
[01:17] <Fernandos> xv
[01:18] <mzz> so I can't really help you with that one
[01:18] <Fernandos> mzz: flash seems to work "nearly" perfect in linux with the restricted drivers
[01:18] <mzz> this is odd
[01:18] <Fernandos> but then there's no compiz^
[01:18] <mzz> that's not my experience with flash on linux using any drivers :)
[01:19] <Fernandos> and if you use the open drivers, compiz works. but flash  and any video lags
[01:19] <Fernandos> I know why. I think that's because ADOBE uses GPU accelaration
[01:19] <Fernandos> called hardware acceleration, I disabled it. but without "any" effect.
[01:20] <Fernandos> only the restricted drivers made video work, but compiz.
[01:20]  * mzz shrugs
[01:20] <mzz> both compiz and non-flash video worked for me
[01:21] <mzz> flash isn't a thing I care about, so you'll have to wait for someone else to help you with that
[01:21] <Fernandos> non-flash video is unusably slow, even with a small windows.. when you use the open drivers
[01:21] <mzz> although actually I guess I should try gnash and/or swfdec again at some point
[01:21] <mzz> that's not been my experience. What are you testing with?
[01:22] <Fernandos> mzz: I don't think that will change anything. It's related to a hardware accelartion problem, which is tied to the gpu drivers
[01:22] <mzz> again, I've used an rv350 card (probably similar to yours) using compiz and fullscreen or large windowed video with no problem. If you're on the open drivers and have problems I can attempt to debug this
[01:23] <girlsname> is ubuntu one suppose to be up now?
[01:23] <Fernandos> mzz: I've got a fresh install of ubuntu karmic (9.10), where compiz worked but no video or flash. Then I installed "xorg-driver-fglrx+dependencies" and flash worked perfect and video worked too, even HD-video was fine on fullscreen. but compiz was disabled
[01:24] <mzz> yes
[01:24] <girlsname> mzz yes to me?
[01:24] <mzz> girlsname: sorry, no
[01:24] <girlsname> No problem.
[01:24] <mzz> Fernandos: if you want me to I can attempt to debug your xv video performance using the open drivers problem. If you prefer to keep using fglrx I can't help with that one.
[01:25] <Fernandos> mzz: I can not even open the "ati control center" -> "initialisation failed"
[01:25] <girlsname> Also, I found out the 10v uses Realtek ALC272 for audio, are there any known issues with it on Ubuntu in general or 9.10?
[01:25] <mzz> girlsname: searching the bug tracker might be worth doing
[01:25] <mzz> there don't seem to be that many people around in here right now :)
[01:26] <girlsname> Yea Im giving it a look right now.
[01:26] <Fernandos> girlsname: Realtek audio should usually work in ubuntu karmic
[01:27] <girlsname> Yea it does except when I try to play a game it ends up stuttering horribly bad even though the game itself runs fine.
[01:27] <mzz> girlsname: if you don't mind commandline utils: using xinput to mess with the "Synaptics Finger" property (specifically the first and second value) might help with your clicking problem
[01:28] <Fernandos> mzz: gonna try to launch compiz in the console.. I just enabled gstreamer multimedia settings->video->no xv
[01:28] <mzz> Fernandos: err, if you're on the open drivers that's the opposite of what you want. If you're still on fglrx: there's very little point in keeping me updated, as I haven't used fglrx in months :P
[01:29] <stpere> hi, is there some trick to debug the popping sound I sometimes get in Karmic?
[01:30] <intok> how do I get permissions setup so that I can use klamav to download virus signatures?
[01:30] <mzz> girlsname: http://pastebin.com/f10e26268 is my /etc/hal/fdi/policy/preferences.fdi, which (among other things) sets a touchpad option (the "synaptics" bit). If you're somewhat familiar with the tools involved xinput and "man synaptics" and that example should allow you to mess with touch sensitivity
[01:30] <mzz> stpere: make sure you're fully updated, afaik there have been some changes power management-wise that might help with that
[01:30] <mzz> beyond that I don't know, other than that searching for power management and sound might help
[01:30] <girlsname> mzz thanks
[01:31] <mzz> girlsname: the driver's quite customizable, but I don't think there's a good friendly ui for it, other than the very limited mouse preferences in gnome
[01:32] <stpere> mzz: thanks for the tip
[01:33] <dmj7261> I seem to have killed my Karmic liveusb
[01:34] <mzz> aww :(
[01:34] <dmj7261> Is there some issue with installing software on LiveUSBs?
[01:35] <Fernandos> had to restart x
[01:35] <Fernandos> open drivers now
[01:36] <Fernandos> I can enable compiz now
[01:37] <Fernandos> mzz: I assume video lags again now.
[01:37] <Fernandos> mzz: let me test
[01:37] <mzz> Fernandos: so make sure you *are* using xv, and try both adaptors (gstreamer-properties lets you choose)
[01:38] <Fernandos> ok
[01:39] <Fernandos> damn, there's no video when I need one
[01:40] <Fernandos> mzz: ?? ehm.. I don't understand.. this crap.. youtube works.. and compiz too.. just a video is left to confirm that everything magically works..
[01:40] <mzz> I'd expect youtube to work windowed but maybe not keep up fullscreened
[01:40] <imau> hi
[01:41] <imau> Hi, i just install 9.10, everything was fine until i installed the nvidia driver, my laptop has a nvidia 8400 go. Is this a knowed issue ??
[01:41] <mzz> but I can't say I tested that recently, at least not on the system with that radeon
[01:41] <Fernandos> mzz: fuc* it WORKS!
[01:41] <mzz> yes, it really should. I really don't understand why it originally didn't, unless you weren't getting xv in whatever movie player you tested with
[01:41] <Fernandos> mzz: I can't believe it.. youtube works flawless and hd videos too and even compiz works
[01:41] <mzz> performance in opengl is still a bit behind though, and some compiz effects don't work yet (missing shaders features, afaik)
[01:42] <sebsebseb> Fernandos: Try not to swear in the channel :)
[01:42] <Fernandos> mzz: but the gstreamer multimedia settings are on AUTO again..
[01:42] <mzz> but the open driver really has caught up with the closed one at least as far as features goes (you should be able to wobble video players and whatnot)
[01:42] <Fernandos> sebsebseb: k, dood!
[01:42] <mzz> imau: might want to search the bug tracker, not all that many people active in here right now
[01:44] <Fernandos> sebsebseb: I was just too happy it works..without doing anything except installing/uninstalling restricted drivers. and enabling "no-xv" gs multimedia settings and turning back to auto... damn that's so hilarious.. seems it's been oktober's fool joke of my computer
[01:45] <imau> mzz : at the launchpad ?
[01:46] <mzz> imau: yep
[01:46] <imau> thx :)
[01:47] <Guest47562> I upgraded to ubuntu karmic on my laptop (dell 1545n with ubuntu) and now wireless networks will not show up.  Does anyone know why?
[01:48] <RussellAlan> How can I minimize all windows with a key combo?
[01:48] <Fernandos> Guest47562: did you try to disable and enable the wifi card?
[01:49] <mzz> huh, policykit just got autoremoved. I'm assuming that was just a compat version though.
[01:49] <Fernandos> Guest47562: sometimes this helps magically...
[01:49] <jcastro> RussellAlan: ctrl-alt-d
[01:50] <Guest47562> Fernandos: yeah
[01:50] <Guest47562> Fernandos: do you know how I can tell if it is on or off? =\
[01:50] <mzz> RussellAlan: system -> preferences -> keyboard shortcuts lets you set one to "Hide all normal windows and set focus to the desktop" (defaults to ctrl+alt+d here)
[01:50] <aprilhare> hello.
[01:50] <RussellAlan> Hmm, it's not working.
[01:51] <mzz> Guest47562: is the card listed if you click the networkmanager icon on the panel?
[01:51] <RussellAlan> Maybe it's set to something else.
[01:51] <Guest47562> mzz: only auto eth0
[01:51] <mzz> Guest47562: or actually: does it mention "Wireless Networks" there?
[01:51] <Cameron> karmic seems to have a bug in mysql (client) where the DEL key prints ~ instead of deleting the character.  Worked fine in jaunty.  Could this be a bug, or a config issue ?
[01:51] <mzz> Guest47562: (I know it doesn't list any actual networks, but is the header there, telling you there aren't any available?)
[01:51] <aprilhare> has anyone noticed problems with the cups daemon? i came back after this computer had been on for a while and noticed cupsd had crashed, but couldn't report the bug back. oh, and addressing cupsd through zeroconf appears to be broken.
[01:52] <Guest47562> mzz: no, which is what I'm wondering about.
[01:52] <Fernandos> Guest47562: Do you see an icon on the top right corner wich is similar to a connected plug?
[01:52] <Guest47562> mzz: I upgraded to karmic and it disappeared.
[01:52] <mzz> Guest47562: sounds like the driver has issues or didn't get loaded then, which means you'll have to figure out what the card is so you know which driver *should* have gotten loade
[01:52] <spotter> anyone having problems upgrading gdm?
[01:52] <mzz> loaded, even
[01:52] <Fernandos> Guest47562: righclick it
[01:52] <spotter> it works
[01:52] <Guest47562> Fernandos: yeah I have that because I'm using a cat5 cable right now.
[01:52] <spotter> but fails to configure
[01:52] <aprilhare> how do i restart cupsd without rebooting? :)
[01:53] <RussellAlan> mzz: How come no keyboard shortcuts are working?
[01:53] <Guest47562> Fernandos: is there a way to check if my wireless card is detected from there?
[01:53] <Fernandos> Guest47562: I see. But it should show enable/disable wireless network if I remember correctly. long time I used wifi..
[01:53] <Guest47562> mzz: well I tried enabling/disabling it and checking dmesg but nothing appeared on there
[01:53] <mzz> aprilhare: there's /etc/init.d/cups, but I don't know what the recommended way of invoking those in ubuntu is (it may be "invoke-rc.d cups restart")
[01:53] <mzz> RussellAlan: I don't know. Nonstandard wm?
[01:54] <Guest47562> Fernandos: It used to for me yet now it does not.
[01:54] <aprilhare> is fail. "cupsd: Child exited on signal 15!"
[01:54] <Fernandos> Guest47562: hmm. let me see..
[01:54] <aprilhare> cupsd is fail imo
[01:55] <Fernandos> Guest47562:  goto system->system settings->network diagnosis
[01:55] <mzz> printers are surprisingly annoying. I try to avoid them (not print stuff)
[01:55] <Guest47562> Fernandos: system settings?
[01:55] <spotter> seems gdm doesn't like being upgraded as root
[01:55] <spotter> needs to be done as sudo'd user
[01:56] <Fernandos> Guest47562:  I'm using a german os.. I don't know how it's called in english actually
[01:56] <Guest47562> Fernandos: I think it's just preferences in the english version.
[01:56] <mzz> Guest47562: I'd try to figure out which driver should pick up the card (either by finding out the chipset and googling or by booting a different linux that does pick it up), manually modprobe-ing that driver, and then checking dmesg
[01:56] <aprilhare> Fernandos: give us the name auf deutsch and we'll translate
[01:56] <Fernandos> System->Systemverwaltung->Netzwerkdiagnose
[01:57] <Fernandos> then you'll be on the devices tab and need to click the dropdown, if you see a wireless device. you'll probably have it installed
[01:57] <aprilhare> System -> System Administration -> Network Diagnosis
[01:57] <aprilhare> something like that :)
[01:57] <Veinor> Network Tools
[01:58] <aprilhare> yay!
[01:58] <Fernandos> hehe
[01:58] <Guest47562> I do not have a network diagnosis
[01:58] <Fernandos> but you have "Network Tools"
[01:58] <aprilhare> Fernandos: give it a burl
[01:58] <Guest47562> Fernandos: yeah
[01:58] <Guest47562> Fernandos: network connections I'm assuming
[01:59] <Guest47562> Fernandos: I'm fairly certain that this is a driver issue.
[01:59] <intok> how do I get permissions setup so that I can use klamav to download virus signatures?
[02:00] <intok> need to scan a widows volume
[02:01] <Guest47562> Fernandos: I will research further. Thank you. :)
[02:02] <Fernandos> Guest47562: np. you can ask a dell support assitant too. Isn't that free? It should be.. if you bought a dell. Because this is not an official support channel, we're just users as you and me
[02:02] <dmj7261> anyone have sound stop working in either firefox or flash?
[02:03] <nerdy_kid> hi all, ive found a vague bug with karmics pulseaudio controler...(in GNOME)
[02:03] <Guest47562> Fernandos: true
[02:03] <Guest47562> Fernandos: dunno since I changed the o
[02:03] <Guest47562> os*
[02:04] <Fernandos> Guest47562: I think Dell has support for ubuntu questions too..
[02:05] <nerdy_kid> just wondering what i should do about it...can reproduce it and all, just not sure what it is
[02:06] <geoff918> I just tested GRUB2, it works; but I'm unable to add my system to this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Grub2Testing
[02:12] <geoff918> the WLAN issue I had myself, simply restarted the system after upgrade--and it was fine--did you try that?
[02:12] <FMsoundmaster45> is there issues with usb support under 9.10?
[02:15] <geoff918> @FMsoundmaster45: Is there a specific problem you're having? Is there a specific device you're worried about?
[02:16] <mzz> I'm pretty sure you can find *some* usb issue that's new in karmic
[02:16] <mzz> so yeah, question's a little useless if it's this broad
[02:18] <geoff918> @FM: I haven't experienced any USB problems at all. Much the opposite, I have support for some devices I once didn't. Although, doing a google search did turn up a few problems with some random printers, etc.
[02:19] <FMsoundmaster45> "geoff918: my proc/bus/usb folder was empty then i did: mount -t usbfs /dev/bus/usb /proc/bus/usb/ but still i get: access to resource has been denied when i run xsane
[02:20]  * evilaim dances *
[02:20] <geoff918> @FM: I'm unsure, but that sounds like a permissions / group error
[02:20] <mzz> FMsoundmaster45: so what device (I'm guessing in /dev/bus/usb/) is it talking to and what are its permissions?
[02:20] <mzz> because yeah, that sounds like you're not in some group you want to be in
[02:21] <raz1146> If Someone using OVI Suite And Content Copier PLEASE PME ! Thanks alot .
[02:21] <FMsoundmaster45> ok
[02:23] <FMsoundmaster45> but why is not my usb devices auto mounted in proc/bus/usb.... and why do my usbmodem work even not present in proc/bus usb?
[02:26] <mzz> FMsoundmaster45: last time I checked /proc/bus/usb was at least partially deprecated, so I wouldn't worry about that
[02:26] <mzz> FMsoundmaster45: I would check the permissions on stuff in /dev/ and/or use strace to find out what it's actually not getting permissions on (if it's not telling you)
[02:28] <FMsoundmaster45> i got a tip in #sane to add: usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs noauto,devmode=0666 0 0 , in /etc/fstab and: mount -o remount usbfs. now i will check if it works :9
[02:30] <mzz> bah, use groups
[02:31] <FMsoundmaster45> mzz do i have to add a group of my own? there is no scanner group yet
[02:32] <mzz> sorry, no time
[02:32] <geoff918> @FM: I too have to run
[02:32] <mzz> (also no desire to keep trying to talk you out of manyally mounting an usbfs)
[02:32] <geoff918> but I *really* wouldn't add it in fstab
[02:33] <FMsoundmaster45> ?????
[03:02] <dmj7261> Can updates be applied to liveusb?
[03:09] <leaf-sheep> dmj7261: Persistent mode, perhaps.
[03:09] <dmj7261> I just realize that it won't install updates since I don't have the space for it.
[03:11] <shiznebit> hi
[03:11] <shiznebit> what program can i use to save the video coming out of my capture card ( from  composite ) ?
[03:13] <leaf-sheep> shiznebit: Off my head?  VLC.
[03:14] <shiznebit> be nice if it worked
[03:14] <shiznebit> setting it to v4l2 shows nothing
[03:19] <shiznebit> i could get tvtime to outout
[03:19] <shiznebit> but i can't capture it
[03:21] <gbear14275> I am having problems creating virtual machines on a remote machine using an .iso image with virt manager.  Specifically I think I am looking for the 'browse local' option to select a .iso image but it is greyed out.  Can someone tell me if there is a way to enable this feature?  All i have been able to do is creating non-booting vms.  Thanks for any who try
[03:23] <shiznebit> leaf-sheep, i figured it out
[03:24] <shiznebit> i had to use v4lctl -c /dev/video0 setinput Composite
[03:24] <shiznebit> then i could use vlc
[03:33] <maxxist> so my audio kinda sucks in karmic beta.  I am getting pops before any system sounds.  its an intel g33 audio chipset.  would it go away if I switched to alsa?
[03:34] <timber> anyone knows if the problem with the audio....when open a sound file the computer makes a noise like a crack
[03:34] <timber> anyone knows if this problem has been fixed?
[03:35] <webbb82> was there a big update today?
[03:36] <durt> webbb82, there was a kernel update.
[03:37] <webbb82> ok that must have beenn it
[03:39] <webbb82> ]how can I change the default download manager to multiget
[03:40] <gbear14275> anyone know what version of virt-manager will be included with karmic?
[03:40] <gbear14275> I'm having a problem trying to create guest vm's via virt-manager on a remote machine
[03:41] <gbear14275> supposedly its fixed in the newest versions but karmic appears to be a version behind
[03:46] <aprilhare> grrr can't restart cupsd and don't wanna reboot!
[03:46] <aprilhare> yet i have to.
[03:54] <Amaranth> gbear14275: I suspect the versions of most packages are fixed at this point
[03:56] <gbear14275> Amaranth: I feared that... I tried to finding a .deb of virt-manager's latest but it wont install because the python library it depends on isn't new enough... now I can't find any way to install the newest library
[04:02] <assoguerozen_sx> someone here use pcsx2?
[04:12] <ghendar> greets peeps
[04:23] <habanany_> looking for a good linux dj remix software
[04:30] <hunger__> hey everyone
[04:30] <hunger__> has anyone been able to get HDMI audio working on an nvidia card?
[04:33] <foxbuntu> hunger__, yes
[04:34] <foxbuntu> hunger__, provide me the link from: aplay -l | pastebinit
[04:42] <hunger__> foxbuntu: http://pastebin.com/m6c63ebf2
[04:42] <hunger__> no digital :(
[04:44] <foxbuntu> hunger__, provide me the link from: aplay -L | pastebinit
[04:44] <ubox> any one have trouble with a plasmoid saying it can not create a python script engine
[04:45] <hunger__> foxbuntu: http://pastebin.com/d2b29acdb
[04:47] <foxbuntu> hunger__, is this an onboard HDMI card, or PCIe/AGP card?
[04:47] <hunger__> onboard, this is a laptop
[04:47] <hunger__> Nvidia, Geforce 8600 GT to be specific
[04:49] <foxbuntu> hunger__, well it seems your HDMI port is not registering an Audio device, depends on the laptop, some (like mine) dont support audio over the HDMI
[04:50] <foxbuntu> hunger__, some of them allow you to enable it in the BIOS
[04:50] <hunger__> foxbuntu, i know it works though, it was working in 8.10, read in a post that it was removed in 9.04
[04:50] <hunger__> i've been reading that there's a patch required for the kernel, but also read that its not needed in 9.10
[04:50] <foxbuntu> hunger__, apt-cache policy alsa-base | pastebinit
[04:51] <foxbuntu> hunger__, thats quite possible
[04:51] <hunger__> http://pastebin.com/d2b2ce5a
[04:51] <foxbuntu> hunger__, you didnt mention it was previously working ;)
[04:52] <hunger__> foxbuntu :D i know, multitasking between this chan and reading so motting details :D
[04:52] <hunger__> omitting, even
[04:52] <foxbuntu> hunger__, looks like you are already on 9.10
[04:52] <hunger__> yessir i am
[04:52] <foxbuntu> alright
[04:52] <foxbuntu> hunger__, what laptop?
[04:53] <hunger__> Asus G1S-B1
[04:54] <foxbuntu> hunger__, something you *could* try
[04:55] <foxbuntu> hunger__, I have in the past made it work by downloading the Realtek HD Audio Codec package from their site and installing that
[04:56] <foxbuntu> hunger__, fair warning though, kernel updates *could* break it and require a reinstall later on
[04:56] <texnofobix> I'm amazed how well karmic is working :) awesome work!
[04:57] <hunger__> fox, i see, i may just wait til 9.10 is final and see what the final word is since it was supposed to be put back in when 9.10 is final
[04:57] <hunger__> i may need to wait since this is a production laptop :D LOL
[04:57] <foxbuntu> hunger__, prob a good idea
[04:58] <hunger__> yeah, i went to 9.10 out of desperation
[04:58] <hunger__> 9.04 became terribly unstable for me when i started using netbeans
[04:59] <hunger__> thanks fox :D
[05:01] <texnofobix> i went to 9.10 since it was easier to get the kernel working for my new netbook
[05:01] <hunger__> 9.10 so far is great, im waiting for the ext3 -> ext4 conversion to be final
[05:02] <texnofobix> i installed ext4
[05:02] <texnofobix> well formatted to it
[05:02] <texnofobix> kde netbook is a little different
[05:08] <hunger__> yeah i may format entirely and go to ext4
[05:16] <texnofobix> there is no converter?
[05:24] <tsoporan_> Hello, I have a small problem I am using grub2 as my default boot loader, problem is I am never presented a boot menu to boot into another os it just goes on right ahead straight into Ubuntu. I've tried hitting esc or enter before but that did nothing, any ideas?
[05:25] <dshepherd> shift?
[05:26] <dshepherd> tsoporan_: holding down Shift at boot will show it.  --- I just read that here ..https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/karmic-changes/2009-September/007874.html
[05:27] <tsoporan_> *reads* alright thanks I'll try that. ;)
[05:28] <dshepherd> tsoporan_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275 <--  this is a good read too
[05:29] <tsoporan_> That's odd that it doesn't detect a second OS though, it says its supposed to display the menu in that case.
[05:29] <tsoporan_> Hmm.
[05:30] <tsoporan_> Welp, bbs.
[05:33] <DanaG> dtchen: oh hey, I remembered seeing on one of the mailing lists, some mention of an alsa backports package... is that going to appear in the repos or some PPA?
[05:39] <goodmami> I'm having trouble getting ibus to work with Japanese and Chinese input. Can anybody advise?
[05:50] <leaf-sheep> Is it possible for me to use a jaunty package on karmic?
[05:51] <rashed2020> Is it possible to use a Hardy package on Intrepid?
[05:52] <LSD|Ninja> Does/will suspend in Karmic work well enough to justify devoting 2GB+ to swap for it?
[05:52] <durt> leaf-sheep, rashed2020 it's possible but there is no guarantee
[05:53] <leaf-sheep> durt: How would I do that? Do I download the source? Move to Karmic and debuild it?
[05:54] <durt> you could, but if the deps are satisfied, just install with gdebi.
[05:54] <rashed2020> I was just kidding. I don't know the answer to that question but I wanted to pretend I knew.
[05:54] <Jordan_U> LSD|Ninja: Depends on the hardware, you can always just create a swap file, especially if you are only going to use it for suspend to disk
[05:55] <leaf-sheep> durt: What is gdebi? Is that GUI (click and install) thing?
[05:55] <leaf-sheep> !info gdebi > leaf-sheep
[05:55] <durt> just a front for dpkg with dep solving capabilities.
[05:56] <leaf-sheep> Meh, I don't know if that'll work. I'll try what I can since I'm prepared to mess with X
[05:56] <leaf-sheep> durt: Thanks.
[05:57] <durt> ya like I said if the deps are satisfiable, if it's X there are obviously version changes.
[05:58] <LSD|Ninja> Jordan_U: Either way I'd be allocating 2GB+ What I want to know is whether or not suspend works well enough to justify that in a limited space environment. If not, I'll just create a 256MB swap partition and go without suspend. It's a neat feature to have though, so I'd like to have it if I can.
[05:59] <Jordan_U> LSD|Ninja: I meant that you could create a swap file and try suspend to disk a few times. If it works, keep the file. If not, don't
[06:06] <jdsbluedevl> hi.  Can someone tell me what happened to the sound in today's build?
[06:10] <jdsbluedevl> anyone here?
[06:11] <Jordan_U> jdsbluedevl: Working here
[06:12] <jdsbluedevl> how is it working for you?  I can't even get alsamixer to keep the master volume steady
[06:14] <jdsbluedevl> anyone else available in the room?
[06:15] <texnofobix> hi
[06:15] <Jordan_U> jdsbluedevl: No problems, probably hardware specific. File a bug report ( after checking that one hasn't been filed already of course )
[06:15] <jdsbluedevl> Jordan_U: wouldn't know under what package to file
[06:15] <jdsbluedevl> and it isn't hardware, sound was working before
[06:16] <jdsbluedevl> texnofobisx: are you having sound problems from today's Karmic build?
[06:16] <Jordan_U> jdsbluedevl: I'm not saying that it's a hardware problem, I'm saying it's probably a bug that only effects certain hardware
[06:18] <Jordan_U> jdsbluedevl: Run "ubuntu-bug" and follow the prompts to find the right package ( and provide usefull information about your system )
[06:19] <jdsbluedevl> Jordan_U: running ubuntu-bug, then clicking on "other problem", gives me a "specify a package" error.
[06:21] <Jordan_U> jdsbluedevl: I guess they haven't finished that feature yet
[06:21] <Jordan_U> jdsbluedevl: What is happening with the master volume exactly?
[06:22] <jdsbluedevl> Jordan_U: I slide it up, and after two seconds it resets
[06:22] <jdsbluedevl> Jordan_U: also, Headphone LFE and Headphone Center are spontaneously activated and deactivated
[06:22] <Jordan_U> jdsbluedevl: Does the same thing happen with "alsamixer -c 0"? ( if not then it's probably a pulseaudio bug )
[06:23] <jdsbluedevl> Jordan_U: yes
[06:24] <TuTUXG> after update python-qt4 4.6, some plasmoids failed to load with error about python scriptengine
[06:25] <Jordan_U> jdsbluedevl: ubuntu-bug -p alsa-base
[06:25] <jdsbluedevl> Jordan_U: thx
[06:25] <Jordan_U> jdsbluedevl: np
[06:26] <Aruza> im attempting to install 9.10 onto a raid using wubi any suggestions? im getting to the install and it shows the "slideshow" but after this it sits at a black screen
[06:27] <sebsebseb> Aruza: it's a good idea to avoide Wubi, things can go rather wrong with it
[06:28] <sebsebseb> Aruza: Real partitions :)
[06:28] <ekontsevoy> On Karmic when I press ctrl+alt+fn I get a screen+byobu session, I am surprised to see it there. I don't want it, because I run screen via ssh on my servers, and screen inside of screen is painful, so I am looking how to turn this off. How do I switch to a plain console (by default - I know that I can just type 'exit')
[06:29] <Aruza> sebsebseb: yeah i may just install it to the extra 640gb drive i have laying around
[06:29] <jdsbluedevl> bug submitted, number is 451900
[06:29] <sebsebseb> Aruza: Sounds good, also you might want to wait untill the final before installing it, the final is October 29th
[06:29] <Jordan_U> ekontsevoy: byobu-config
[06:30] <Aruza> sebsebseb: are there major problems with the beta?
[06:30] <Jordan_U> ekontsevoy: You should know that it probably does what you want it to do with regard to ssh
[06:30] <sebsebseb> Aruza: not as such I guess, but there can be issues yes
[06:30] <ekontsevoy> Jordan_U: yeah, I saw that when I press F9. But I'm curious how does this work? How do virtual consoles start byobu?
[06:30] <jdsbluedevl> Aruza: depending on your hardware, alsa may be messed up
[06:31] <Jordan_U> ekontsevoy: The reason it's started with login shells is so that rather than always typing "screen -x" it just reconnects to ( or starts ) screen automatically
[06:31] <jdsbluedevl> also, how do I change my bootup splash (not the login screen) from Kubuntu to Ubuntu?
[06:32] <Jordan_U> ekontsevoy: The only reason the vt would have screen is if you logged in, if you aren't on the LiveCD that is a *huge* security issue if you are seeing it without logging in
[06:33] <ekontsevoy> Jordan_U: I'm logged in, I am trying to figure out where (which file in /etc or in ~/) bash is configured to start screen+bynobu
[06:33] <Jordan_U> jdsbluedevl: ~/.profile
[06:33] <ekontsevoy> I find it useful enough to use this setup in other distros, so this is why I'm diggin deeper.
[06:33] <Jordan_U> ekontsevoy: It's only run for login shells, which is why it's not in .bashrc
[06:34] <jdsbluedevl> Jordan_U: file doesn't exist
[06:34] <ekontsevoy> Jordan_U: which rc file do login shells init from?
[06:34] <Jordan_U> ekontsevoy: byobu is available for other recent distros. It started in Ubuntu but it's not tied to it in any way
[06:35] <Jordan_U> ekontsevoy: ~/.profile
[06:35] <ekontsevoy> Jordan_U: perfect! that's what I was looking for. Thanks a bunch
[06:35] <Jordan_U> ekontsevoy: np :)
[06:36] <Jordan_U> jdsbluedevl: What file?
[06:36] <jdsbluedevl> ~/.profile
[06:36] <Jordan_U> jdsbluedevl: It isn't neccisary, if you setup byobu to start at login the file will be created
[06:37] <Jordan_U> jdsbluedevl: Are you sure it doesn't exist though? Are you looking in your home folder and showing hidden files?
[06:38] <jdsbluedevl> Jordan_U: I even did "ls ~/.*", not there
[06:38] <ekontsevoy> Jordan_U: hm... can't find mentioning of screen in there... looking at /etc/profile.d ...
[06:38] <jdsbluedevl> and how do you set up  byobu to run at start?
[06:39] <Jordan_U> ekontsevoy: "`echo $- | grep -qs i` && [ -x /usr/bin/screen-launcher ] && /usr/bin/screen-launcher" is what is at the end of my .profile with jaunty
[06:39] <ekontsevoy> jdsbluedevl: yeah that's what I'm trying to figure out
[06:39] <ekontsevoy> :)
[06:40] <Jordan_U> jdsbluedevl: ekontsevoy: Just run "byobu-config" in a terminal
[06:40] <ekontsevoy> Jordan_U: Ughh... I'm an idiot, I was looking in /etc/profile - thank you, my ~/.profile looks the same as what you posted!
[06:41] <jdsbluedevl> Jordan_U: I'm getting "unable to open "onfig""
[06:41] <Jordan_U> jdsbluedevl: No spaces
[06:41] <jdsbluedevl> oh, thought there was a space
[06:42] <jdsbluedevl> Jordan_U: turns out it was on by default
[06:45] <jdsbluedevl> Jordan_U: ok, so now that I have the .profile file, how do I set it up to do an Ubuntu splash?  All I see is " `echo #- | grep -qs i` &&which byobu-launcher > /dev/null && byobu-launcher"
[06:48] <Jordan_U> jdsbluedevl: Byobu doesn't provide a "splash", do use use the "screen" command line application?
[06:49] <jdsbluedevl> Jordan_U: ??
[06:49] <Jordan_U> jdsbluedevl: I don't think that you want byobu
[06:51] <Jordan_U> jdsbluedevl: The things I said about byobu were meant for ekontsevoy. What are you trying to do?
[06:51] <jdsbluedevl> Jordan_U: oh, sorry.  You mentioned me along with him, so I thought you were talking to both of us
[06:52] <jdsbluedevl> Jordan_U: I'm trying to change the bootup splash from Kubuntu to Ubuntu
[06:54] <Jordan_U> jdsbluedevl: Install kubuntu-artwork-usplash for kubuntu, ubuntu-artwork-usplash for ubuntu. Note that only the white on black ubuntu icon is "usplash", after that the splash is actually done by GDM in karmic
[06:55] <jdsbluedevl> Jordan_U: there is no ubuntu-artwork-usplash package
[06:56] <jdsbluedevl> and usplash is already installed
[06:56] <Jordan_U> jdsbluedevl: Sorry, usplash-theme-ubuntu
[06:58] <pablo_> hi
[06:58] <jdsbluedevl> Jordan_U: already installed
[06:58] <jdsbluedevl> so I guess that means I need to find what switches between the two of them
[06:58] <Jordan_U> jdsbluedevl: Is kubuntu-artwork-usplash also installed?
[06:59] <pablo_> I'm having troubles with upstart after upgrading karmic today: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused
[06:59] <pablo_> any hints or pointers?
[06:59] <jdsbluedevl> Jordan_U: yes, and removing that would break the kubuntu-desktop metapackage I also have installed
[07:03] <Jordan_U> jdsbluedevl: sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so
[07:04] <jdsbluedevl> ok, thx
[07:06] <Jordan_U> jdsbluedevl: np
[07:06] <jdsbluedevl> Jordan_U: actually, it didn't work
[07:07] <Jordan_U> jdsbluedevl: Do you see a small white ubuntu icon on a black background at the very begginning of boot?
[07:07] <jdsbluedevl> Jordan_U: maybe not, but I still saw the Kubuntu splash
[07:10] <Degot> Hi... Situation : After Installing Server amd64 9.10 , i can`t start ubuntu... during boot process, system can`t mount /dev/sda1.... ext4 or ext3 it doesn`t matter, result is the same. BUT 9.04 installation  works fine with ext3/ext4... Any ideas?
[07:11] <Jordan_U> jdsbluedevl: Are you using kdm or gdm?
[07:11] <jdsbluedevl> Jordan_U: I thought I was using gdm
[07:12] <jdsbluedevl> Jordan_U: yes, I am using gdm
[07:14] <Jordan_U> jdsbluedevl: I don't know why you are still seeing the kubuntu splash then
[07:14] <oldude67> how do i get into the grub2 config file to see what all kernels are in there to delete the old ones?
[07:15] <oldude67> is it /etc/grub/grub.cfg or /etc/boot/grub.cfg?
[07:15] <Jordan_U> oldude67: You probably want to either just remove the old kernel packages or edit /etc/grub.d/
[07:15] <jdsbluedevl> Jordan_U: ok, thx anyways.  Time for sleep anyways
[07:16] <oldude67> Jordan_U, yes i want to remove them but was going to use aptitude purge remove ---  to get rid of them.but can find the list of kernels its not in grub.d
[07:18] <Degot> Hi... Situation : After Installing Server amd64 9.10 , i can`t start ubuntu... during boot process, system can`t mount /dev/sda1.... ext4 or ext3 it doesn`t matter, result is the same. BUT 9.04 installation  works fine with ext3/ext4... Any ideas?
[07:18] <Jordan_U> oldude67: Just "ls /boot/vmlinuz*"
[07:18] <oldude67> ok thanks ill try that.
[07:19] <Jordan_U> Degot: Does it drop you to a busybox shell?
[07:21] <Degot> Jordan_U: Hi. Yes.. it drops my to BusyBoy
[07:21] <Degot> *drops me
[07:21] <Jordan_U> Degot: Can you mount the partitions manually from there?
[07:23] <Degot> Jordan_U:No, i can`t... BB`s shell  doesn`t see my partitions.... only /dev/sda sdb sdc    .... When i use Ubuntu LiveCD.... i see all partitions, but i can`t mount them
[07:24] <Jordan_U> Degot: What happens when you try to mount them from the LiveCD?
[07:24] <Degot> Jordan_U: something about Corrupted Descriptors.... fsck doesn`t help
[07:25] <Jordan_U> Degot: Is that the 9.04 liveCD or the 9.10?
[07:25] <Degot> Jordan_U: 9.10
[07:26] <Jordan_U> Degot: Try the latest daily CD and if it doesn't work file a bug by running "ubuntu-bug linux" from the daily LiveCD
[07:27] <Degot> Jordan_U: Thank you... i`ll try
[07:28] <oldude67> oh what a hassle i will mess with getting rid of old kernels in the morning...to late to mess with it tonight.
[07:28] <snkcld> anyone here got eclipse 3.5 software updates working on karmic
[07:28] <snkcld> ?
[07:34] <oldude67> oh this has been a long couple of days and im so tired, was there any issues with the new kernel and updates today?
[07:36] <oldude67> ok got rid of the old kernels, wasnt to sure if kpackage would do it right or not, just update-grub and everything seems to have worked..so will see on next reboot.
[07:37] <oldude67> noticed there was like 173 updates today and a couple of them were kind of important ....did it affect the system any like the pulse and the kernel?
[07:40] <LSD|Ninja> There's still no prompt to/automatic way of dealing with old kernels? :/
[07:41] <Jordan_U> LSD|Ninja: Nope, they don't even show up in computer janitor :(
[07:41] <oldude67> LSD|Ninja, if you go into synaptics or kpackage which ever you use you can get rid of them that way, i was just trying to do it threw terminal instead.
[07:45] <oldude67> anyone know off the top of there head what the command is to do a fsck check at boot?
[07:45] <matyd> i just upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10 and used the noacpi function because i have intel chipset. worked perfectly before i upgraded heh, i managed to get command line and irssi to get some help
[07:46] <oldude67> matyd, try doing a update and see if that helps, cause most of the intel issues have been fixed as far as i know, and im on one myself.
[07:47] <matyd> so just sudo apt-get update?
[07:47] <matyd> sorry i'm a newb ;P
[07:47] <oldude67> matyd, try sudo aptitude update
[07:47] <oldude67> matyd, then sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[07:47] <matyd> running kubuntu
[07:47] <matyd> k
[07:48] <oldude67> matyd, me to im using kubuntu with lxde desktop.
[07:48] <matyd> k
[07:48] <matyd> thanks will try
[07:48] <oldude67> yw and np.
[07:49] <LSD|Ninja> oldude67: Yeah, I know how to get rid of them manually I just think that's unacceptable in a distro of this nature. I understand the reasoning behind keeping them, but you don't need a dozen kernels lying around doing nothing. Listing them in Computer Janitor would be a start, but a better way of handling it would be to somehow limit the number of kernels allowed to accumulate. When installing a new kernel, keep the one immediately pre
[07:50] <oldude67> LSD|Ninja, i agree, but when doing an update it just tells me that i need to remove the old ones, i think it should auto do it as well. except prior kernel as well.
[07:52] <oldude67> ok peeps its late and im out for the night..good luck and laters.
[07:53] <tonyyarusso> Anybody have an offhand guess what percentage of Ubuntu users are on PPC, LPIA, or SPARC architectures?
[07:53] <LSD|Ninja> tonyyarusso: I don't know about the other two, but PPC can't be that high if it's not worth maintaing an official build for
[07:54] <tonyyarusso> LSD|Ninja: Well, that just means it's less than like 20% probably, but 19% vs. 0.5% would be a big difference.
[07:54]  * tonyyarusso is guessing, but still
[08:47] <ioka> just finished my first ever hard disk install with ubuntu 9.10 beta.So awesome and fast.It can not be compared with the shitty  GLASS install.
[08:51] <filthpig> hi all. I have an issue with Xubuntu karmic beta (and the last alpha). Installing and using it is just fine, but after updating the packages and rebooting I cannot start X
[08:51] <filthpig> I can log in from console and all and GDM starts, but when I'm supposed to get my desktop on screen it just throws me back to the login promt
[09:01] <ioka> guys I can not locate grub menu.lst file .It locates only one menu.lst file in .../memtest/exmples/
[09:06] <topyli> ioka, grub2 doesn't use a menu.lst
[09:07] <ioka> so how can I change the partition because os os can not start
[09:08] <ioka> I 'm following a installation tutorial and they mention an eror that can be fix by typeing the correct location of the root in menu.list
[09:08] <ioka> I must do the same thing
[09:09] <agent538> good morning
[09:09] <agent538> i have a problem
[09:10] <agent538> i have no digitalsound , but in de ubuntu i can choose for digitalsound but i think i'm deff or it just dont work.
[09:10] <agent538> i have a onboard spidf
[09:11] <matyd> i just upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10  (kubuntu) and the gui was working great before the upgrade (i had to install with no acpi becuase of intel chipset) so i came here and was told to do sudo aptitude update and sudo aptitude safe-upgrade, did that, rebooted and still get a black screen after the 'kubuntu' load
[09:11] <agent538> from asus p5k-e motherboard can  somebody help me
[09:11] <matyd> is there anything else i can do to fix the problem?
[09:14] <LSD|Ninja> Does Karmic use those retarded base 10 units for disk space?
[09:14] <perscitus> ioka.-> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[09:19] <matyd> is there a way to downgrade via the command line
[09:19] <perscitus> How many bugs still exist in Kubuntu karmic?
[09:20] <nibbler> matyd: i think downgrade is not supported
[09:20] <acicula> perscitus: launchpad can tell you
[09:20] <perscitus> acicula.->  uh, link would be nice
[09:20] <matyd> k
[09:20] <acicula> launchpad.org
[09:21] <perscitus> acicula.->  no, link to project
[09:22] <LSD|Ninja> Is there any way to get the partition tool in karmic to read out in "proper" megabytes instead of this base 10 crap? It's throwing my calculations off.
[09:23] <glick> excuse me does anyone know why installing drpython on karmic doent work?
[09:23] <glick> i get a fatal error
[09:23] <glick> Bitmap Directory (/usr/share/pyshared/drpython/bitmaps) does Not Exist.
[09:23] <acicula> so does the directory exist?
[09:24] <glick> no it doesnt exist
[09:24] <perscitus> acicula.->  In case you dont know, launchpad is a nightmare searching for any particular project and downright near impossible.
[09:24] <acicula> perscitus: true, but no sense in complaining about that to me about
[09:25] <perscitus> acicula.->  hence the help
[09:25] <glick> do i have to create the directory?
[09:25] <acicula> launchpad is still what you want, google will give you the karmic project page, if you cant get some bug information from there
[09:26] <acicula> glick: might be worth a try
[09:27] <perscitus> How do I find kubuntu project on launchpad?
[09:27] <glick> how would i file that bug?
[09:27] <acicula> dunno, maybe under the kubuntu-desktop ?
[09:28] <perscitus> acicula.->  Nice idea but no
[09:28] <perscitus> acicula.->  that project doesnt exist
[09:29] <glick> an;yone kow where id file the bug that dr python doesnt install correctly?
[09:31] <perscitus> Perhaps Kubuntu team doesnt use launchpad for bugs
[09:31] <glick> where do i file a bug for kubuntu?
[09:31] <acicula> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/drpython
[09:33] <acicula> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-bugs
[09:33] <acicula> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Reporting
[09:36] <perscitus> thank you
[09:37] <acicula> i just use google to search launchpad and never launchpad itself really, it's pretty slow normally
[09:39] <perscitus> s/pretty/painfully/
[09:40] <glick> what the hell how come when i click on file bug, it takes me to the website on how to file a bug
[09:40] <acicula> ah yeah that confused me too
[09:40] <acicula> there's another link for filing a bug
[09:40] <glick> how the hell do i file the bug?
[09:40] <acicula> lemmy see if i can find it
[09:42] <perscitus> Im switching to Kubuntu next release.
[09:43] <glick> why is it so hard to file a bug in ubuntu
[09:43] <glick> what the hell
[09:43] <acicula> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/drpython/+filebug?no-redirect
[09:43] <acicula> it's not, normally you can do it via the crashmanager or via the standard link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/?no-redirect as it says in the wiki
[09:44] <glick> what the hell;0
[09:49] <LSD|Ninja> OK, so the new karmic logon screen is nowhere near as cool as I though it'd be. I was hoping for somethign as neat and tidy as the Windows welcome screen :(
[09:50] <vega-> wtf, i'm trying to use svn command line client and get "Password for 'login' GNOME keyring:"
[09:51] <vega-> why and how does gnome keyring-crap interfere with command line svn client?
[09:51] <vega-> and when one tries to kill it, it just respawns
[09:53] <glick> who cares about the login screen?
[09:55] <vega-> what login screen?
[09:57] <joaopinto> !language | vega-
[09:57] <ilembitov> Hi, all. Just installed Ubuntu 9.10 Beta on my Dell Inspiron 1525 with a Broadcom 4312
[09:58] <ilembitov> That wifi card is supposed to be supported by Dell's driver, which should be automatically installed through Jockey
[09:58] <ilembitov> But as I get into Jockey, it looks for a driver, finds it, then I try to activate it, it asks for a password - and then nothing
[09:59] <ilembitov> I mean, it just returns to the original window
[09:59] <joaopinto> vega-, if you are using svn+ssh, gnomekeyring integrates as an ssh-agent
[09:59] <ilembitov> And I can't install that module manually (it's supposed to be called wl). So what do I do?
[10:04] <vega-> joaopinto: no, http
[10:04] <vega-> joaopinto: basic apache htpasswd authentication
[10:05] <vega-> svn commit -m "foo" --username foo --password bar gives:
[10:05] <vega-> Password for 'login' GNOME keyring:
[10:05] <vega-> no idea what to give as an answer to that
[10:06] <vega-> in jaunty this worked
[10:06] <topyli> vega-, try your user's password
[10:07] <vega-> doesn't work
[10:07] <vega-> i've never touched anything regarding this keyring stuff
[10:10] <vega-> ok, anyone have a solution for killing that keyring daemon for good?
[10:11] <th1> morning
[10:12] <th1> after I upgraded to Karmic beta then I get this when I click "update" in the Update Manager: "Problem executing scripts APT::Update::Pre-Invoke '[ ! -x /usr/lib/ia32-archive/bin/apt-update ] || /usr/lib/ia32-archive/bin/apt-update'Sub-process returned an error code"
[10:12] <th1> then I can only update the package list, by running "sudo aptitude update"
[10:13] <th1> btw its a 64 bit system not 32
[10:21] <th1> well I reported it as a bug now with an ID of 452011 ..
[10:23] <joaopinto> vega-, I assume you are commiting to an svn+ssh
[10:23] <joaopinto> vega-, http://live.gnome.org/GnomeKeyring/Ssh
[10:26] <vega-> 12:04 < vega-> joaopinto: basic apache htpasswd authentication
[10:27] <joaopinto> vega-, ops, ok sorry missed that
[10:35] <vega-> even if i specify --no-auth-cache it still wants the password, is it trying to store my svn password in the keyring or something?
[10:39] <joaopinto> vega-, probably
[10:40] <joaopinto> vega-, it seems svn was built --with-gnome-keyring
[10:41] <joaopinto> vega-, http://www.nabble.com/disable-warning-about-gnome-keyring--td23506009.html
[10:45] <agent538> i can not logfe in on ubuntuone
[10:46] <agent538> do have some one the sane problem
[10:48] <marcriera> hello everybody. does anyone know why karmic koala release candidate is shipped with a vanilla kernel?
[10:50] <dupondje> Hello, I currently have a VPN server that has connection with my internal network, now I would like to expose a port of an IP in my internal network to a port on my server. So I can connect directly to my server:port without having to install a VPN client, any idea how this is possible? Its for a VNC server
[10:51] <legend2440> marcriera: perhaps they know in   #ubuntu-kernel
[10:52] <marcriera> thanks
[10:54] <error404notfound> can anyone help fix: http://pastebin.com/m6c21ac0a ?
[10:55] <error404notfound> Also i get: "dpkg: warning: obsolete option '--print-installation-architecture, please use '--print-architecture instead." during updating initramfs
[10:56] <agent538> have somebody  digital sound on the karmic
[10:56] <joaopinto> error404notfound, I believe there is a bug reported about that
[10:57] <error404notfound> joaopinto, about which one?
[10:57] <joaopinto> error404notfound, did you upgrade ?
[10:58] <error404notfound> joaopinto, yes, do-release-upgrade -d
[10:59] <joaopinto> error404notfound, it seems to be related to bug 451556
[11:00] <error404notfound> joaopinto, lets hope my browser works :D
[11:00] <joaopinto> lol
[11:00] <joaopinto> mvo, any hints to workaround the bug ?
[11:00] <error404notfound> joaopinto, thats a different bug i think...
[11:00] <dupondje> somebody ? :)
[11:01] <joaopinto> error404notfound, both refer to upstart communication, /com/ubuntu/upstart
[11:01] <joaopinto> #
[11:01] <joaopinto> Setting up rsyslog (4.2.0-2ubuntu5) ...
[11:01] <joaopinto> #
[11:01] <joaopinto> start: Unable to connect to Upstart: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused
[11:02] <error404notfound> joaopinto, yes, but mine is when you are installing uprades and it fails to install due ipstart and ubuntu-minimal
[11:02] <error404notfound> upstart*
[11:03] <joaopinto> that is just a chain of events, your problem is with rsyslog upgrade
[11:04] <joaopinto> which fails because of upstart
[11:04] <tobixen> I upgraded using "apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade" yesterday, and today suspend-to-memory fails.  Is this a known issue?
[11:04] <error404notfound> hmmm, so any ideas over this? coz i am dead sure if i shutdown system won't boot :P
[11:05] <tobixen> does anyone else have experiences with suspend-to-memory with a freshly updated karmic?
[11:06] <dupondje> could somebody explain me how I could to the tunneling ?
[11:06] <agent538> i have no problems
[11:06] <agent538> i update yesterday
[11:06] <agent538> and i did reboot
[11:06] <agent538> and her i'm
[11:07]  * error404notfound waits for joaopinto's response...
[11:08] <kennethaar> I have gone from 20 sec boot to 55 sec. Wh are wrong?at can I do to find out what settings
[11:08] <kennethaar> I have gone from 20 sec boot to 55 sec. What can I do to find out what settings  are wrong?
[11:09] <indus> hello
[11:09] <indus> is anyone running doom3 on karmic?
[11:09] <ilembitov> OK, I tried using ndiswrapper. Thing is, I can't get Internet to that machine if the wireless is not working. So I manually installed ndiswrapper-common and ndiswrapper-utils, downloaded the needed drivers from Dell site, then ran ndiswrapper -i on the .inf file, then ndiswrapper -m. Tried modprobe ndiswrapper - doesn't work. Tried rebooting so it would autoload ndiswrapper - it loaded it,...
[11:09] <ilembitov> ...but nothing works anyways, there is even no wlan0 interface. What do I do?
[11:09] <indus> or quake 4
[11:09] <agent538> launchpad login ubuntu one dont work
[11:09] <agent538> i get again and aigan the mainpage
[11:10] <agent538> for login
[11:10] <kennethaar> Suspend works flawlessly though! 1 sec wake up time. It's so fast I catch my self wondering "Was it really off?"
[11:10] <ilembitov> Guys, please help me someone with that ndiswrapper issue.
[11:11] <kennethaar> tobixen: I will try suspend now. back in 5 secs
[11:11] <indus> is anyone using doom3 in karmic
[11:12] <tobixen> kennethhaar: "back in 5 secs" if lucky ;-)
[11:12] <indus> where is xsplash
[11:12] <kennethaar> tobixen: still works flawlessly for me...
[11:12] <indus> i only see a white ubuntu logo startup shutdown
[11:12] <indus> where is xsplash
[11:12] <indus> where is xsplash
[11:12] <error404notfound> joaopinto, still there?
[11:13] <tobixen> kennethhaar: ok, thanks.  Can I have your kernel version (uname -a)?
[11:13] <kennethaar> ok so I took 13 seconds. But that was because of reconnecting to the network.
[11:13] <indus> i dont have any xsplash
[11:14] <kennethaar> tobixen: Linux ka-hp-laptop 2.6.31-14-generic #46-Ubuntu SMP Tue Oct 13 16:47:59 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:14] <XiXaQ> heh, I've been bragging about the ability to right-click to create encrypted and compressed folders in Ubuntu. Is that option gone in karmic? :)
[11:15] <XiXaQ> compress is still there, but not encrypt?
[11:16] <kennethaar> tobixen: But boot time is killing me, It was 85 seconds earlier but I turned of fsck and relatime -> noatime. So npow I am down to 55 sec. But stil far from my 20 sec in jaunty.
[11:16] <joaopinto> error404notfound, sorry, busy, baby time
[11:16] <error404notfound> joaopinto, i see, good :D
[11:17] <tobixen> kennethaar: since I always use suspent-to-memory I don't care that much about the boot time.  Though, I bought an eee some years ago, it was eating battery while in suspend but it was really lightning fast to boot, so it didn't matter ...
[11:17]  * error404notfound starts to play Frozen Bubble while someone comes up with a solution to his issue...
[11:17] <tobixen> all until I replaced the pre-installed linux with ubuntu ;-)
[11:18] <tobixen> seems like I had 2.6.31-10 installed instead of 2.6.31-14.  I'll try to do a reboot now, and I'll check how much time it takes ;-)
[11:19] <kennethaar> tobixen: yes but I have a battery with very short charge if I leave it in standby for more than a couple of hours I have to reboot because the battery is dead.
[11:21] <tobixen> hm, three minutes from I entered "sudo reboot" and until I could get up a terminal window again.
[11:22] <tobixen> not good ;-)
[11:23] <phako> tobixen: nah. Not good is when you need 15 minutes because after every reboot the filesystem's is shreddered
[11:24] <phako> and you need a live CD to repair it first
[11:24] <tobixen> still probems with sleep
[11:25] <tobixen> phako: thanks, my file server is dead due to bad blocks on the hard disk ... so it has so far taken me more than a week to reboot it ;-)
[11:25] <tobixen> it was working fine all until someone accidentally pressed the reboot button
[11:25] <phako> ouch
[11:27] <tobixen> hrm, suspend still doesn't work for me.
[11:28] <kennethaar> tobixen: that sucks
[11:32] <Spaceman> hi, i'm using kubuntu beta 1 how do I log in?  there is a text box for the username and one for the password,  what do I do after filling those 2 boxes?  there appears to be two buttons on the lower left, neither one offers an explanation of what they do or a tooltip
[11:32] <Spaceman> any ideas?
[11:36] <Spaceman> a screenshot http://www.ukimagehost.com/uploads/0995e53cd9.png
[11:39] <vega-> Spaceman: wild guess, press enter ...
[11:40] <Spaceman> that's easy
[11:40] <Spaceman> I want a button :P
[11:40] <Spaceman> (and tooltips)
[11:40] <|eagles0513875|> lol
[11:41] <joaopinto> Spaceman, it's probably being worked
[11:42] <|eagles0513875|> afternoon joaopinto
[11:42] <joaopinto> hi eagles
[11:42] <joaopinto> morning
[11:42] <kennethaar> how do I make a bootable usb stick from the kubuntu-netbook-remix iso?
[11:43] <|eagles0513875|> !usb | kennethaar
[11:43] <|eagles0513875|> kennethaar: check the first link
[11:43] <|eagles0513875|> kennethaar: i use unetbootin
[11:43] <|eagles0513875|> !unetbootin | kennethaar
[11:44] <kennethaar> |eagles0513875|: Thanks...
[11:44] <|eagles0513875|> non problem kennethaar i use unetbootin and its easy
[11:44] <vega-> joaopinto: settings "password-stores = " in .subversion/config disabled keyring stuff, thanks
[11:46] <dupondje> Hello, I currently have a VPN server that has connection with my internal network, now I would like to expose a port of an IP in my internal network to a port on my server. So I can connect directly to my server:port without having to install a VPN client, any idea how this is possible? Its for a VNC server
[11:50] <joaopinto> vega-, great :)
[12:00] <epic> hi is there any way to work around this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plexus-container-default/+bug/417164 ?
[12:01] <epic> nice :)
[12:04] <djdarkman> hello, is there a way to kill the brightness control service or whatever it's called?
[12:04] <djdarkman> it anyones the hell out a lot of people including me, cause it's going insane
[12:05] <djdarkman> and nobody seems to care about the filed bug
[12:06] <topyli> djdarkman, what are you talking about? :)
[12:09] <djdarkman> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/413399
[12:12] <lanoxx> mvo, are you there
[12:13] <djdarkman> I just want a way to disable this service and to be able to manually adjust the brightness level
[12:13] <lanoxx> mvo, http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=72741 <--- is this a known bug?
[12:16] <PCTechNerd> i need some noob help if someone is willing to give it
[12:16] <dupondje> nobody awake that could help me with the forwarding issue ? :)
[12:16] <dupondje> PCTechNerd: just ask
[12:16] <lanoxx> mvo, i was experiencing the same thing but with dolphin obening instead of nautilus when i clicked on gnome->places->somebookmark, removing dolphin and konqueror solved the problem, dolphin and konquer get automatically installed with kile as a recommended dependency
[12:16] <PCTechNerd> i can't for the life of me find how to arange the icons in the favorites section of the netbook desktop launcher
[12:16] <|eagles0513875|> PCTechNerd: just ask your qeustion and if anyone knows they will help
[12:18] <PCTechNerd> so i'm guessing nobody knows?
[12:23] <PCTechNerd> ok does anyone know how to configure the netbook remix launcher?
[12:29] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. heres a bug. :) Got it set to do 'auto updates' it pops up a dialog saying theyare are going tobe installed.. well its poped up like 3000+ of them while i was at work.
[12:30] <Dr_Willis> My taskbar is all vertical lines with all the  dialog box's :)
[12:30] <Ian_Corne> hehe :p
[12:30] <Ian_Corne> is tha t3K diffrent processes started?
[12:31] <Dr_Willis> Not sure.. looking into it now to file a bug.
[12:32] <Dr_Willis> found a bug report..  :)  posted on July 2
[12:32] <Ian_Corne> hehe
[12:32] <Ian_Corne> damn :p
[12:33] <Dr_Willis> gnome menus are all 'white' also..  as are all right click menus
[12:33] <Dr_Willis> no text no icons..
[12:33] <arielCo> Hello everyone (and good morning to those in the Americas). Has anyone seen Bug #105234 in karmic?
[12:33] <Dr_Willis> cant even get a new shell started now
[12:33] <Dr_Willis> brb\
[12:34] <Ian_Corne> yeah i think they're all diffrent processes then :p
[12:37] <Ian_Corne> yeah i think they're all diffrent processes then Dr_Willis ?:p
[12:37] <Dr_Willis> I even had it set to 'automatically install updates'
[12:37] <Dr_Willis> so im not even sure why it asked.
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> i guess their definition of 'automatic' is different then mine.
[12:38] <Ian_Corne> it only has automaticly install securityu updats, right?
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> it has 'all' and 'security'
[12:38] <Ian_Corne> sorry slow network :)
[12:39] <Ian_Corne> where do you see all?
[12:39] <Ian_Corne> is it in the software sources ?
[12:39] <Dr_Willis> automatically install.. -> Nothing/Security/All Updates
[12:39] <Dr_Willis> 'sys-> admin-?software update
[12:39] <Ian_Corne> hmmm
[12:40] <Ian_Corne> is it literaly "software update" ?
[12:41] <wildweathel> "Update Manager," currently.
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> Yes.
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> 'System -> admin -> Software Update
[12:41] <Ian_Corne> don't have that entry
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> command =   gpk-update-viewer
[12:41] <SauLus> cron does not run. I can start it manually, but how can I make it start at boot time?
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> Update software installed on the system
[12:42] <Ian_Corne> don't have it
[12:43] <SauLus> it is on karmic
[12:43] <Ian_Corne> SauLus: i was talking to Dr_Willis
[12:43] <Ian_Corne> :p
[12:43] <joaopinto> Ian_Corne, update-manager
[12:43] <Dr_Willis> $ sudo service cron status
[12:43] <Dr_Willis> cron start/running, process 1217
[12:43] <Dr_Willis> yes i am on 9.1
[12:43] <Ian_Corne> The program 'gpk-update-viewer' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[12:43] <Ian_Corne> sudo apt-get install packagekit-gnome
[12:43] <Ian_Corne> it's not standard :)
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> so a lot of things.
[12:44] <joaopinto> Ian_Corne, the command is update-manager
[12:44] <Ian_Corne> yeah i know
[12:44] <SauLus> cron stop/waiting
[12:44] <Ian_Corne> joaopinto: i knwo that too..
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> sounds like cron crashed...
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> $ sudo service cron restart
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> perhaps
[12:45] <SauLus> Dr_Willis: restart: Unknown instance:
[12:45] <SauLus> sudo service cron start
[12:45] <SauLus> cron start/running, process 2074
[12:45] <SauLus> but thats the manual way. I want cron to run at every start
[12:45] <SauLus> how can I enable this?
[12:45] <Dr_Willis> SauLus:  it should do that allready
[12:45] <Ian_Corne> it shoudl start eveyr start
[12:45] <Dr_Willis>  whichis why i said cron seems tobe crashing
[12:46] <SauLus> Dr_Willis: I cant grep any cron message out of /var/log/system and /var/log/messages
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> but you started it just now with no error messages.. so imnot sure.
[12:46] <Ian_Corne> look for cron in /etc/rc*
[12:47] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> cron might be handles by upstart
[12:47] <SauLus> Ian_Corne: I just added it with update-rc.d cron default. It wasnt there before. I have symlinks in /etc/rc[0-6]K20cron -> ../init.d/cron
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> Err.. Cron IS handled by upstart. :)
[12:47] <SauLus> I did a restart and cron still wasnt running
[12:48] <SauLus> ok, I dont know this
[12:48] <Dr_Willis>   /etc/init/cron.conf
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> Could be its crashing if you just started it and it wasent working
[12:49] <SauLus> start on runlevel [2345] is inside file. But in which level am I?
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> 2 is the default
[12:49] <|eagles0513875|> hey Dr_Willis
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> 1 and 6 are special.. so that says basically run on every runlevel
[12:50] <Ian_Corne> 6 is for shutting down?
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> I think so
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> You can launch cron with out the servie stuff to the 'forground' and watch for messages perhaps
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> Howdy |eagles0513875|
[12:51] <|eagles0513875|> how goes it Dr_Willis
[12:52] <|eagles0513875|> actually Dr_Willis is there a link to a wiki on how to setup crons
[12:52] <|eagles0513875|> !cron
[12:52] <|eagles0513875|> ahhh there we go
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> But it shhoukld be setup if he installed it
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> its not lauinching at boot  up.. which proberly means it IS launching. but crashing.
[12:52] <SauLus> Dr_Willis: when I started cron manually it doesnt die!
[12:53] <Dr_Willis> does the service command show its running?
[12:53] <|eagles0513875|> for me cron i want to use to automaticallly run update and dist upgrade thats why i ask
[12:53] <Dr_Willis> |eagles0513875|:  heh - i tried the gpk-update-manager tool and came home to 3000+ dialogs on the desktop asking to' update now?'
[12:54] <SauLus> Dr_Willis: after i did service start cron : ervice cron status
[12:54] <SauLus> cron start/running, process 2074
[12:54] <|eagles0513875|> Dr_Willis: O_O
[12:54] <wildweathel> |eagles0513875|, that sound's like a bad idea.  Update is already done automatically, and you probably shouldn't blindly dist-upgrade.
[12:54] <SauLus> |eagles0513875|: use cron-apt
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> I mainly wanted it to just auto-download the stuff.
[12:55] <|eagles0513875|> SauLus: O_o
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> !info cron-apt
[12:55] <|eagles0513875|> hehe touche you beat me to it Dr_Willis
[12:55] <|eagles0513875|> ahhhh will have to remember to download that when i get home
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> The following extra packages will be installed:
[12:55] <Dr_Willis>   bsd-mailx mailx
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> :) guess it has to email me when its done stuff
[12:56] <Ian_Corne> Dr_Willis: auto download without installing?
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> !info mailx
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> Hmm
[12:56] <Ian_Corne> software sources  has that option
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> !info  bsd-mailx
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> :P
[12:56] <|eagles0513875|> hahah Dr_Willis way to confuse the bot
[12:56] <Ian_Corne> ubuntu-bug ubottu
[12:56] <Ian_Corne> :p
[12:57] <Tarthen1> yay, finally
[12:57] <Tarthen1> a bug that affects me :(
[12:57] <Tarthen1> anyone have the USB not automounting bug number handy?
[12:57] <Tarthen1> Launchpad is as slow as a dog for me
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> Tarthen1:  i looked it up yesterday.. and a fix was to remove some 'fdi' file.
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/20-storage-methods.fdi
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> then restart hal
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> sudo service hal restart
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> that seems to have fixed it.. here..
[12:58] <SauLus> Dr_Willis: after 'sudo update-rc.d cron disable' i find a symlink in etc/rc[0,1,6]d/K20cron -> ../init.d/cron .This is ok to delete, right? Since cron is handled by upstart
[12:58] <Tarthen1> I thought they gtfo'd HAL
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> butive heard of other issues/bugs with it also
[12:59] <duffydack> I have all these Outputs in sound prefs.. each have non amplified and amplified.. only the amplified ones work, how can I get the non amplified to work as the amplified is too loud its dangerous... yes i know I can turn it down but I have to turn it down near muted to get reasonable sound quality.
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> SauLus:  try it and see.. but  i doubt if it launching from init.d will matter. since its allready going tobe running
[13:00] <wildweathel> duffydack: What's your sound card?
[13:01] <|eagles0513875|> sounds broken for me as well duffydack
[13:01] <SauLus> how do I enable strg+alt+backspace to kill x?
[13:03] <duffydack> wildweathel, er its either intel ich5 or sigmatel stac 9750,51
[13:03] <wildweathel> duffydack: /proc/asound/cards ?
[13:03] <Tarthen1> ugh
[13:03] <Tarthen1> USB is still broken'
[13:04] <Tarthen1> ah well
[13:04] <legend2440> SauLus: open system>preferences>keyboard>choose Layouts tab then Layout Options and choose  Key Sequence to kill X and enable Ctrl+Alt+Backspace box
[13:04] <duffydack> 0 [ICH5           ]: ICH4 - Intel ICH5
[13:04] <duffydack>                       Intel ICH5 with STAC9750,51 at irq 17
[13:05] <wildweathel> !pb > duffydack
[13:05] <Tarthen1> hm
[13:05] <Tarthen1> How do you set mount to allow regular users to write to it?
[13:05] <duffydack> ive fixed the channels problem i had (using gnome volume moves master, master mono (subwoofer) and pcm all same time.. Ive patched that.
[13:05] <Tarthen1> I'm mounting on /mnt. Lol, that's the problem
[13:05] <duffydack> only 2 lines...thought it`d be ok :(
[13:06] <wildweathel> duffydack: cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#*  (Yeah, but this one will be long...)
[13:07] <Dr_Willis> SauLus:  theres a gnome setting to enable that.. but its proberly best to learn to use alt-ctrl-sysreq-k
[13:07] <wildweathel> duffydack: Oops, no, you won't have that.
[13:08] <Ian_Corne> gotta remember that Dr_Willis
[13:08] <duffydack> wildweathel, sorry Im not actually  booted into 9.10 at the mo... I will do and come back... unless all the info you need is in 9.04 too?
[13:09] <wildweathel> duffydack: It works in 9.04, right?  I think we need to break it to fix it.
[13:09] <duffydack> wildweathel, sound has always been great OOTB since I first used ubuntu...like, edgy i think
[13:10] <wildweathel> duffydack: Go ahead and restart then.
[13:10] <duffydack> the mixer is better in 9.04, as I can set what channel it controls... have to edit files to do that in 9.10
[13:11] <duffydack> and its quieter... loud enough when I make it loud, obviously..  yeah i need to do some stuff first.  how long will you be around?
[13:12] <wildweathel> All day, probably.  I might be gone for about half an hour at a time watching anime, but being unemployed is great!
[13:13] <SauLus> Dr_Willis: sysreq, is this the 'roll' key? So your command would be something like "kill" main process?
[13:13] <duffydack> lol
[13:13] <SauLus> Dr_Willis: I did a clean reboot and cron doesnt run. service cron status : cron stop/waiting
[13:14] <SauLus> where can I find some log messages about this?
[13:14] <duffydack> wildweathel, lspci btw gives 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
[13:14] <duffydack> ok i`ll bbl
[13:14] <wildweathel> I'll read up on AC'97.  Later.
[13:16] <indus> hello all
[13:17] <indus> my tvtuner card wont produce any sound
[13:17] <indus> and it doesnt showin pulse volume control either
[13:20] <SauLus> The 'SysRq' key is also known as the 'Print Screen' key ... well.
[13:24] <SauLus> NONE of the scripts in /etc/init are started! service --status-all shows a lot of $servicename [?]. Every $servicename from those [?] lines is in /etc/init!
[13:25] <wildweathel> indus, I don't have any experience with tvtuners, but I'll try to give it a shot if it works in Jaunty.
[13:25] <indus> wildweathel: hmm i have pinnacle tvtuner, it wont produce any sound in karmic wiht yesterdays updates
[13:25] <huang> i am using ubuntu 9.10, the sticky notes applet does not work.
[13:26] <indus> wildweathel: was working ok before
[13:27] <indus> wildweathel: also, tvtime wont show as an application in volume control,nevertheless it was working before, but some updates seem to have killed it
[13:27] <SauLus> how do I reinstall the "service" command? Which packet this belongs to?
[13:28] <TheInfinity> SauLus: updade-rc helps
[13:28] <TheInfinity> *update
[13:28] <wildweathel> indus: Can tvtime play video files?
[13:29] <indus> wildweathel: its for watching tv on a pc
[13:30] <wildweathel> Yeah, but can it play pre-recorded stuff, too?  I think the problem is that tvtime isn't sending sound to pulseaudio, but I want to be sure that it isn't the tuner -> tvtime step instead.
[13:31] <wildweathel> indus: From the website, it doesn't look like it though....  So, let's see if I can remember how to disable pulse and send sound directly to alsa.
[13:31] <indus> wildweathel: it cant
[13:31] <indus> wildweathel: well, i removed pulseaudio completely but i stil couldnt get it to play sound
[13:31] <indus> wildweathel: i believe its not latching on to the audio frequencies
[13:33] <wildweathel> indus: And that's the state it's in now?  Well, that explains why its not in "Sound Preferences" (per application volume is a pulse feature).  But, that still doesn't get you sound.  The video is okay, right?
[13:35] <indus> wildweathel: ya video ok
[13:36] <wildweathel> Could you pastebin lspci?
[13:36] <indus> wildweathel: sorry iamnot on that system now
[13:36] <SauLus> TheInfinity: How shall this help? I tried a lot of things and it still does not work. What do you suggest?
[13:36] <indus> wildweathel: it works fine in lspci dmesg etc
[13:36] <indus> wildweathel: i suspect the tuning is not happening properly
[13:37] <indus> wildweathel: so have video but no sound
[13:37] <wildweathel> indus: Yeah, but I (and the developers) would like to know the exact model.  This is a regression, probably in the driver.
[13:37] <indus> wildweathel: itspinnacle pc 50 i tuner
[13:38] <indus> saa 7134 video broadcast decoder in lspci
[13:38] <indus> i mean pinnacle pctv 50 i
[13:38] <indus> wildweathel: which developers ? any in here?
[13:38] <indus> its a standard saa7134 device , has a philips tuner
[13:39] <indus> audio even though not routed through pulse was working 2days ago
[13:41] <kristian42> Anyone know when the colours are coming back correctly ? It looked like it was fixed after I did the latest upgrades, but after 1 minute it was back again
[13:41] <wildweathel> indus: The ubuntu and/or linux developers who take care of the driver, and will hopefully fix it.  They're not here right now (unless we're very lucky).
[13:44] <Dr_Willis> ive seen no colors problems...
[13:45] <kristian42> Dr_Willis: All kinds of imagery/vide playback have been "out of red" for quite some time on my machine
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> ive not seen the issue here. or on my laptop
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> both are nvidia based
[13:45] <kristian42> Dr_Willis: I guess Imostly see it in video playback, but also on my color postscript laser.
[13:46] <kristian42> Red has been missing for a month or so ;)
[13:46] <Dr_Willis> Printer would be a totally diffrent stuff then the video... so i imagine the 2 are unrelated.
[13:46] <alankila> there is a hue control which may be incorrectly initialized for some reason... I've noticed that problem a few times earlier
[13:46] <Dr_Willis> My color printer here prints in 'inverse' colors. :)
[13:47] <alankila> it's correctable in various ways, for instance finding a new default value for the slider if the current one results in red appearing blue or green rather than red.
[13:48] <kristian42> Dr_Willis: Regular gnome is fine, and assuming printer != screen, it's only all kinds of video playback that have been very green/blueish
[13:49] <wildweathel> indus: Well, I don't see a bug that sounds exactly like what you're experiencing.  I don't think I can do much more other than help you file a bug report if you're on that system later.  Sorry.  I'll be around all day, though.
[13:50] <indus> wildweathel: well ,thanks i can manage filing bugs
[13:50] <indus> wildweathel: see ya
[13:51] <wildweathel> Bye.  Good luck.
[13:53] <wildweathel> kristian42: To me, that sounds like a video driver problem.  A long while back, video playback was green and distorted for me.  Eventually, I switched to ATI's non-free drivers until the free one caught up.  Are you using free or non-free nVidia drivers?  (might be a stupid question; I'm not even sure there *are* free nvidia drivers...)
[13:54] <Dr_Willis> the 'nv' drivers are free :)
[13:54] <tormod> wildweathel, and nouveau, when it works
[13:54] <Dr_Willis> nvidia-settings tool has settingss for color tweaking
[13:54] <error404notfound> even though i have flash 10.0.32.18ubuntu1 installed, no browser detects it installed.
[13:54] <alankila> as do most video players, if they use the xvideo output path
[13:54] <wildweathel> Thanks.  I learn something new every day.
[13:56] <kristian42> wildweathel: Nvidia v185
[13:56] <error404notfound> anybody facing that "unable to connect to upstart" or such issue should try " cp /sbin/initctl /sbin/initctl.orig; rm /sbin/initctl; ln -s /bin/true /sbin/initctl", works for a lot of people like me... Got from a launchpad bug report.
[13:59] <wildweathel> kristian42:  That's the non-free ones.  So, if non-accelerated video has the right color, that's a bug for nvidia to fix.  What video player are you using?  I know VLC and mplayer allow you to bypass xvideo output, but Totem (the default) doesn't.
[14:00] <alankila> wildweathel: it is most likely just bad setting for the xvideo output path. I have ndivia and I use the proprietary video stuff and I don't have this problem, but I've seen it before. Once I looked at vlc's hue setting it was at the left edge instead of centered. Centering it gave proper colors. So for some reason it mistakenly selected a wrong value. Perhaps it was right once, but something changed.
[14:01] <kristian42> wildweathel: I've tried all players
[14:01] <wildweathel> Do you have mplayer installed?  Try mplayer -vo x11 some_video_file
[14:02] <alankila> hmm, fascinating... xine doesn't offer any hue controls at all for xvideo output anymore...
[14:03] <alankila> totem has this control and the Hue must be centered or video plays in false colour
[14:03] <kristian42> wildweathel: Well this is getting stranger and stranger; now it's gone again. I was into nvidia control panel and did nothing
[14:03] <alankila> kristian42: nvidia control panel resets the hue setting properly... but perhaps if you try different video players it goes bad again
[14:03] <alankila> you must have something in your system setting the hue wrong
[14:04] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:04] <alankila> for instance, start totem and check out the Display tab in preferences, see Color Balance
[14:04] <SauLus> Dr_Willis: Ian_Corne cron is now working again. The new update fixed my problem. cron is running again
[14:04] <wildweathel> kristian42: The -vo x11 option bypasses xvideo altogether.  But, I think kristian is right, there's something interfering with the hue setting.
[14:06] <kristian42> alankila: Ok, it happens every time - I loose my green and I enter nvidia control panel and it comes back. Now to try to find out what
[14:06] <wildweathel> OT: free radeon drivers seem to ignore the video settings in Totem; I can't make it mess up.
[14:06] <homoboy> Why is my wifi card not working in Karmic 9.10? Anyone have any ideas?
[14:07] <wildweathel> homoboy, was it working in Jaunty?  What type of card?
[14:07] <alankila> I think the time for the relevance of the xv settings like hue, brightness, contrast or saturation has passed in any case
[14:08] <kristian42> alankila: Where can I inspect the hue settings ?
[14:08] <alankila> all media today is digital and nobody needs to adjust for old imperfections of analog equipment anymore. The sole, minor exception is probably gamma, as that is not quite constant between displays, but that's a system-wide problem rather than video-specific thing...
[14:08] <alankila> kristian42: edit > preferences > display > color balance
[14:08] <alankila> in totem, if you use that for video playback
[14:08] <alankila> press the Reset to Defaults button, maybe it suffices
[14:08] <homoboy> windweathel: yes it was. perfectly. I am not sure the make and model of the card but it is standard with the hp530 notebook
[14:08] <wildweathel> homoboy, can you pastebin lspci?
[14:09] <error404notfound> two issues in karmic upgraded from jaunty: 1. Wireless has disappeared for some reason though it worked in jaunty. 2.even though flash non free plugin's latest version is installed no browser (firefox, chromium, opera, epiphany...)is able to detect it as installed.
[14:09] <error404notfound> so any ideas?
[14:10] <homoboy> wildweathel: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan]
[14:10] <kristian42> alankila: Starting totem consistently meses up my hue
[14:10] <alankila> yes, so go fix its config, alright?
[14:11] <error404notfound> homoboy, i think i have the same wireless as yours
[14:11] <kristian42> alankila: Thank you. I wonder why it even got that way in the first place. I hardly ever use totem...
[14:11] <alankila> kristian42: it must have been a change from default between updates of xorg or nvidia driver, I expect
[14:12] <kristian42> alankila: Thanks
[14:12] <alankila> my theory on how it works is that when totem first starts it asks around the system and obtains the hue etc. xvideo settings and stores them in its config
[14:12] <alankila> later on, the definition for those has changed, but totem doesn't know it so it still loads the wrong defaults that were right for some earlier combination of software
[14:12] <homoboy> error404notfound, first off, i really like your nick. second, what did you do to overcome this glitch?
[14:13] <BluesKaj> error404notfound, normally we would help you fix network manager , but I found that wicd works better , wicd will disable network manager when it's installed
[14:13] <Ergo^> hello, i got a powr failure when i wanted to install nvidia drivers with jockey -- now i get this http://paste2.org/p/469901 - how do i fix this ?
[14:13] <BluesKaj> !info wicd | error404notfound
[14:13] <error404notfound> homoboy, thanks :P, well i am considering of should i fix this or let someone else because its been like 9 hours since i have been fixing my issues now i have only wireless and flash issues remaining so i guess these aren't urgent.
[14:13] <error404notfound> BluesKaj, yup, i know about wicd, i loved it...
[14:14] <wildweathel> homoboy, hey, cool, that's my card.  It works almost perfectly on karmic, though.  Silly question: is the kill switch set to enabled?
[14:14] <BluesKaj> not working on karmic error404notfound ?
[14:14] <homoboy> wildweathel, no.
[14:14] <error404notfound> BluesKaj, havent tried, as said, too tired of troubleshooting and fixing stuff... damn... i hate sysadmin job. :'(
[14:14] <BluesKaj> error404notfound, purge wicd , the reinstall
[14:15] <BluesKaj> then
[14:15] <error404notfound> BluesKaj, will do it tomorrow morning, time for a cup of coffee and a nice walk down the street
[14:15] <wildweathel> I mean, set to enable the card.  In the "working" position, not the "broken" one.  (Silly language, it's like asking someone to turn up the A/C...)
[14:16] <BluesKaj> error404notfound, ok
[14:16] <homoboy> wilweathel, lol yes it is enabled, but i am new to linux, kinda, so how do i find out if it is broken or not?
[14:17] <error404notfound> thanks everybody, those were the 9 really good hours. Love every new release that come out.
[14:17] <Omar87> Hi all
[14:17] <wildweathel> Okay, in the system tray (Windows habits die hard...) there's a network icon.  If you right-click it, there's an option to enable wireless.  Make sure it's checked.
[14:17] <homoboy> yes it is
[14:17] <Omar87> The system keeps craching and logging out on me.
[14:17] <Omar87> crashing*
[14:18] <wildweathel> homoboy, if you left click this time, it should list all your network adapters: ethernet and wireless.  Does it?
[14:19] <homoboy> wildweathel, yes. eth0 and "create a wireless connection"
[14:19] <wildweathel> Sounds good.  But, it doesn't show your hotspot?
[14:19] <homoboy> my internet at home is hidden
[14:20] <wildweathel> rt click -> edit connections
[14:20] <homoboy> i try to enter the ssid and wpa2 key and it does not even try to search or connect to anything
[14:21] <homoboy> Omar87, what desktop environment are you running?
[14:21] <Omar87> gnome
[14:21] <JoshuaL> i just attached a screen to my laptop but nothing happens..
[14:22] <wildweathel> Then you go back to left-click -> connect to hidden, select the connection and hit connect.
[14:22] <JoshuaL> i already pressed detect monitors in the display preferences
[14:22] <JoshuaL> but still nothing
[14:23] <homoboy> Omar87, try re-installing it from a shell prompt, or install the xubuntu-desktop instead. My laptop did that at first, too.
[14:25] <homoboy> wildweathel, are you talking about the widget on the task bar? all I got is manage connections.
[14:25] <Omar87> homoboy, are they working on a fix for it?
[14:25] <wildweathel> Yes, the widget.  Left click.  There should be "connect to hidden wireless network"
[14:28] <homoboy> Omar87, I do not know. most computers work seamlessly with the new environments, if I were you I would just re-install gnome. or upgrade like i did and go to kde!! :D
[14:28] <homoboy> wildweathel, there is no such prompt
[14:29] <wildweathel> Okay, so either the driver isn't working, or NetworkManager isn't detecting it.
[14:29] <Omar87> homoboy, I think I'll give KDE a shot. But my computer has only 512MB's of RAM and from previous experience, KDE was dead heavy on it.
[14:29] <wildweathel> ifconfig should show a wmaster and a wlan entry.
[14:30] <homoboy> Omar87, BTW do not take my word for granted, I am still kinda a newb. only had linux now for a year. get a second oppinion b4 you go thru with it, don't want you to get too excited and be dissapointed.
[14:31] <Omar87> homoboy, thanks man.
[14:31] <homoboy> Omar87, np
[14:31] <ojii> hi all
[14:32] <ojii> is it normal that the menu bar is inresponsive for about a minute after I boot karmic?
[14:32] <homoboy> wildweathel, it is showing eth0, lo, wlan0, wmaster0, all are up
[14:33] <wildweathel> Great!  The driver works, it's just a NetworkManager problem, and that's pretty much to be expected, it seems.  Still no hidden network option?
[14:34] <homoboy> nope
[14:34] <Omar87> I just got this error: "Task cannot be monitored or controlled. The connection to the daemon was lost. Most likely the background daemon crashed. Details: It seems that the daemon died."
[14:35] <wildweathel> This is a fresh install of Karmic, homoboy?
[14:35] <heshan> when the stable release is released?
[14:35] <homoboy> wildweathel, yes.
[14:36] <homoboy> Omar87, you are running Karmic, correct?
[14:36] <Omar87> homoboy, yes.
[14:36] <homoboy> Omar87, ummmmm google?
[14:36] <homoboy> lol
[14:37] <Omar87> homoboy, I normally do that, but I thought I might not find anything important since is still fresh.
[14:38] <homoboy> Omar87, did you install from a netboot mini cd or the full dvd image?
[14:38] <Omar87> homoboy, from USB live boot.
[14:39] <jetsaredim> is there an easy way to replace empathy with pidgin?
[14:39] <jetsaredim> in karmic
[14:39] <rsk> jetsaredim: remove pidgin, install empathy
[14:39] <rsk> er other way around.
[14:40] <rsk> but the same basic logic.
[14:40] <homoboy> Omar87, Idk what to tell you. wildweathel, any ideas on this dilema?
[14:40] <jetsaredim> rsk: just that simple? I'd think there were some gnome integration stuff to do too
[14:40] <wildweathel> Moh.  Figures.  Well, the Networkmanager website still says "powered by hal," so I don't think I'll be finding too many great ideas there... Perhaps the easiest solution is to just install wicd instead.  (What a great tester am I: saying "screw the default package and go with something else!")  << For homoboy's dilemma.  Now reading back....
[14:42] <wildweathel> Omar's desktop is crashing, right?   "Task cannot be monitored or controlled...."  It would be nice to know what "task" that's talking about.  I don't really know, beyond looking at logs, googling, making sure the install media is good, etc, etc.
[14:42] <jetsaredim> also - does anyone know how to turn on workspace switching via scroll wheel?
[14:42] <homoboy> wildweathel, is wicd in the repository?
[14:42] <wildweathel> Yes.
[14:42] <wildweathel> !wicd
[14:43] <wildweathel> !info wicd
[14:43] <wildweathel> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WICD
[14:44] <homoboy> huzzah!! tis installing
[14:45] <giordy> hi guys
[14:45] <giordy> I'm using kubuntu karmic (updated 2 days ago)
[14:45] <giordy> and I noticed a problem with update-notifier-kde
[14:45] <homoboy> ooh i want to hear this
[14:45] <giordy> I tried to post on kubuntu-devel but got 0 feedback
[14:46] <wildweathel> Bug I'm tempted to file against networkmanager: NM is horribly borked.  Documentation non-existent.  Please replace with WICD.
[14:46] <wildweathel> So, what's wrong with u-n-k?
[14:46] <giordy> I noticed no update notification popping up
[14:46] <giordy> thus I tried to execute it on the console
[14:47] <giordy> and got this
[14:47] <giordy> $ update-notifier-kde
[14:47] <giordy> Traceback (most recent call last):
[14:47] <giordy>   File "/usr/bin/update-notifier-kde", line 29, in <module>
[14:47] <giordy>     from PyKDE4.kdecore import *
[14:47] <giordy> ImportError: No module named kdecore
[14:47] <homoboy> wildweathel, ok wicd is installed. where is the widget for it??
[14:47] <Pici> giordy: Have you filed a bug?
[14:47] <wildweathel> homoboy, logout and back in.
[14:47] <homoboy> ok brb
[14:47] <giordy> well I tried to
[14:47] <giordy> but got a bit confused by the new launchpad
[14:47] <wildweathel> giordy, are you up to date?
[14:47] <Pici> giordy: run: ubuntu-bug packagename
[14:47] <giordy> thus I wanted to hear here first
[14:48] <giordy> well
[14:48] <wildweathel> A critical bug like that should be fixed quickly.
[14:48] <alankila> giordy: hmm, python-kde4 package installed?
[14:48] <giordy> the fun story is that that command ubuntu-bug doesn't work either
[14:48] <giordy> 1) python-kde4 is installed
[14:48] <wildweathel> yeah, I've heard that one too.
[14:48] <wildweathel> Does synaptic run, so you can at least update that way/
[14:48] <giordy> $ dpkg -l | grep python-kde4
[14:48] <giordy> ii  python-kde4
[14:49] <giordy> I use apt-get to update
[14:49] <alankila> giordy: well, I'm out of ideas then. It might help scan the contents of that package to see if there's an ew name for the kdecore, or if there's something else that is missing or what... No clue.
[14:49] <giordy> but I had the same problem with python modules with intrepid --> jaunty update
[14:49] <giordy> I think it's a problem with pyc files
[14:50] <giordy> they don't work with updated versions of python
[14:50] <alankila> really? That would imply that something about the python module installation is going wrong
[14:50] <alankila> since the .pyc and .pyo files are optional, you could just try erasing them if such are found and see if it helps. There's probably some command to force them to recompile.
[14:50] <giordy> I sort of rememebr that the modules worked again after re-compilation
[14:51] <giordy> as ubuntu switched to python 2.6 in the previous release
[14:51] <heshan> when will the ubuntu 9.10 official version is released?
[14:51] <giordy> 29th
[14:52] <giordy> $ ubuntu-bug update-manager-kde
[14:52] <giordy> Could not import module, is a package upgrade in progress? Error: No module named kdecore
[14:52] <giordy> again a problem with python modules, I guess
[14:52]  * wildweathel is smugly glad that he's not running kubuntu.
[14:52] <wildweathel> bug # 451247
[14:52] <wildweathel> ahem, bug #451247
[14:53] <giordy> exactly
[14:53] <nstar7> guys i found a stupid problem in kubuntu 9.10... trying to move a big file, like a 600mb iso image of kubuntu onto the pastebin widget , will lock out the entire system unrecoverably.. all you can do is reset the pc
[14:53] <giordy> perfect, I'll file in the details I know in there
[14:53] <alankila> I used to use KDE myself but the KDE4 stuff put me off KDE probably forever
[14:54] <giordy> well KDE 4.3 is a giant step forward
[14:54]  * alankila sighs. That was such a bad release & such a bad attitude towards end users that I realized these people should be ignored and their contributions to linux desktop rejected for the good of all.
[14:54] <giordy> 4.0 was hell, 4.1 barely usable, 4.2 was ok but not great, 4.3 starts to be a good release
[14:55] <homoboy> back!
[14:55] <giordy> in my opinion of course ^_^
[14:55] <alankila> yeah, and by the time they have excellent polished desktop around kde 4.5 they will again throw everything away and start from scratch to make kde5
[14:55] <agent538> groen is toch adio uitgang aan de achterkant
[14:55] <alankila> so overall they have like 50 % of time something you actually want to use. It makes no sense to me.
[14:55] <giordy> well, that i hope  not :|
[14:55] <wildweathel> More a giant leap forward?  Okay, enough KDE bashing.  update-notifier-kde doesn't work either, and I'm not sure there's a bug against it yet.
[14:55] <mbeierl> I noticed that there are some newly deprecated packages.  How do I automatically remove deprecated packages?
[14:56] <Tronic> A couple of problems with KDE are that it too closely imitates Windows (e.g. the crappy start menu) and that it too heavy (sure, the loading dialog looks nice, but Gnome loads so quickly that it doesn't even need one).
[14:56] <alankila> mbeierl: if "apt-get autoremove" doesn't remove them, you can try installing debfoster and explicitly mark all packages you want to keep and remove those that aren't mentioned by the ones you want to keep
[14:56] <wildweathel> mbeierl, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[14:56] <mbeierl> alankila: nope. autoremove does not...
[14:57] <tormod> mbeierl, Computer Janitor?
[14:57] <giordy> wildweathel I'm filing it
[14:57] <mbeierl> wildweathel: nope.  dist-upgrade shows 0 to remove
[14:57] <wildweathel> Thanks.
[14:58] <mbeierl> for example, I've got kernels -10, -11, -12, -13 and -14.  -10 has been deprecated, but it's not being removed by anything
[14:58] <alankila> the debfoster way is powerful.
[14:58] <alankila> but you have to know that if you don't keep essential packages like some kernel and ubuntu-standard, -minimal and -desktop at the very least you'll probably not like your linux experience very much
[14:58] <mbeierl> alankila: about to install it...
[14:59] <mbeierl> alankila: see, that's the problem ... we're getting new kernels frequently enough, but nothing seems to clean out the old kernels automagically once they've been deprecated
[14:59] <alankila> at least apt-get requires you to type "Yes, do as I say!" when you are about to remove something like bash, though
[15:00] <mbeierl> alankila: the average user should not have to know about manually hunting down and removing dead kernels
[15:00] <alankila> but you can remove every last kernel with debfoster, so you have to realize to keep one. Like a metapackage for linux-generic, that probably keeps the latest kernel around
[15:00] <alankila> mbeierl: there is danger to removing them. What if the new kernel doesn't work, for instance.
[15:01] <alankila> it happens once in a blue moon. So you should probably have a heuristic like suggest to user that he might want to remove old kernels now that the new one seems to have worked during the last few boots
[15:01] <alankila> then there's people who don't have but linux and grub2 doesn't even show them a menu. In all likelihood they don't even *know* they have old kernels around
[15:01] <mbeierl> alankila:  sure ... but the package maintainers have just deprecated -10.  So one would assume that -10 can be removed, however, there is no easy way to know that fact other than I just happen to see the deprecation message at an apt update
[15:01] <tormod> mbeierl, Computer Janitor removes old kernels
[15:01] <alankila> but the people who boot windows probably are aware of the situation, because grub has to show a menu then
[15:01] <Drop_tables> I'm using software RAID. How do I install grub2 on my other drive?
[15:01] <nstar7> guys i found a stupid problem in kubuntu 9.10... trying to move a big file, like a 600mb iso image of kubuntu onto the pastebin widget , will lock out the entire system unrecoverably.. all you can do is reset the pc
[15:02] <mbeierl> tormod: only the deprecated ones or... all but the most recent?
[15:02] <tormod> mbeierl, I think all but the latest one
[15:03] <ioka> I installed privoxy from the repository .It seems that the guys who have set the package has done more- like making privoxy to start without telling it, and set it up as a system proxy.How to corrent this?
[15:03] <mbeierl> tormod: I'm gonna give it a shot to see what it's proposing.  I /think/ the best thing would be some sort of autoremove that also removes deprecated packages.  That way the average user would not need to guess at what's safe to remove re: kernels
[15:04] <ojii> does karmic have any power safing mechanims which weakens the wlan signal? I somehow can't get a stable connection anymore from my room after I upgraded to karmic beta
[15:04] <tormod> mbeierl, well the average user should use Computer Janitor and not apt-get :)
[15:05] <mbeierl> tormod: true, but they get the triangle update notification which is a wrapper to apt, no?  When notified that there are updates, they won't think - oh maybe I should run the janitor after...
[15:05] <mbeierl> tormod: (in the middle of an update right now... waiting for it to finish before seeing what janitor has to say...)
[15:06] <tormod> mbeierl, to apt? you mean update-manager?
[15:06] <mbeierl> tormod: yes.  doesn't update-manager use apt under the hood?
[15:06] <ioka> is there a way to set up my touchpad to be lefthanded? the gui way does not work?
[15:06] <Dr_Willis> ioka:  privoxy is not set up on my browsers by default after i install it. I have to confiogure the browsers. and its a service so autostarting it when you install it makes sence.
[15:07] <ioka> yes but I did not tell the program to start , it starts by its own after installation.This  is really bad
[15:08] <ioka> now probably will start every time I reboot
[15:08] <Dr_Willis> ioka:  err.. EVERY service is set up to start up after you install it.. ssh, samba, cups, squid, and so on
[15:08] <Dr_Willis> ioka:  yes. its set up to start up on boot...  thats how system services are normally setup
[15:08] <tormod> mbeierl, yes I guess it uses some libapt
[15:08] <thiebaude> ioka, i thought you could turn update manager off
[15:08] <ioka> does it start as a system proxy? like for every apps that use internet?
[15:09] <Dr_Willis> ioka:  its a proxy. You confgiure  Your clients to use or not to use it
[15:09] <Dr_Willis> ive never seen a 'system proxy' force itself on EVERy thing.
[15:09] <Dr_Willis> There are ways to set up a 'transparent' proxy to do that.. but  it takes a little work and its not the default for privoxy
[15:10] <ojii> is it normal for the gnome menu bar in ubuntu to be unresponsive for about a minute after I boot karmic?
[15:10] <wildweathel> ojii, no not a whole minute.
[15:10] <ioka> because it started by its own , not like in windows I thought this has also been done.Ok it is better that it is not a system proxy.How to check what services start on boot up?
[15:10] <ojii> wildweathel: that's only an estimate, but it's certainly more than 30 seconds and it sorta feels like a minute, very annoying tbh
[15:10] <thiebaude> ioka, startup applications
[15:11] <Dr_Willis> last i tried windows and privoxy on it.. it set it to auto start there also.. but  theres a dozen ways windows can autostart things.
[15:11] <wildweathel> ojii: does it continue to be slow after your HDD stops its boot activity?
[15:11] <ioka> no i use privoxy in windows and if i have not install it as a service it does not start
[15:11] <ojii> wildweathel: how would I know?
[15:12] <wildweathel> ojii: Just look at the light.  One of the ways Karmic speeds boot is to keep loading stuff in the background.  If the hard-disk light is going, it's normal for things to be slightly sluggish.  (But, it should be usable.)
[15:13] <ojii> wildweathel: well i for example try clicking on 'system' but it doesn't do anything. also the desktop area sorta works (eg: I can rightclick to get the small dropdown, I can draw rectangles by leftclicking...)
[15:14] <Dr_Willis> ioka:  so basically you have to rember to start it every time you login.. sort of a hassle sounds like.
[15:14] <wildweathel> ojii, only on boot?  No, that's not normal.  It starts working a little while afterwards?
[15:14] <giordy> ok guys, I'm leaving
[15:14] <alankila> ojii: the system is probably io-bound and doing something. It would be helpful if you were able to run applications such as iotop and top when the system is unresponsive and identify the top hogs of either cpu, memory or disk bandwidth.
[15:14] <giordy> thanks for the assistance
[15:15] <giordy> here is the bug report
[15:15] <giordy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier-kde/+bug/452188
[15:15] <giordy> bye!
[15:15] <genii> Yeah it's some typo where the name should be kde-core
[15:15] <alankila> For instance, for me that system boots very rapidly and is almost instantly usable, I think in less than 10 seconds after I enter username and password.
[15:15] <genii> (saw this one yesterday or so)
[15:15] <ojii> alankila: could you explain this a bit more?
[15:15] <ojii> wildweathel: yes only after I boot, after a while it runs normal
[15:16] <alankila> ojii: all I can suggest is trying to run various applications that can provide realtime data about what the system is doing. Otherwise we're reduced at guessing and that's not very profitable way to solve problems.
[15:17] <ojii> alankila: what apps?
[15:17] <wildweathel> Bootchart at the very least.
[15:17] <wildweathel> !bootchart
[15:17] <ioka> my major point is when something happens without knowing it is very hard to learn how things works in linux.
[15:17] <alankila> well, I suggested top and iotop for starters. bootchart can be used to see what the system did for the first few minutes as well.
[15:17] <ojii> alankila: i have bootchart running, how would i run top and iotop? just from console after I logged in?
[15:18] <ojii> gotta restart in a minute anyway cos of updates
[15:18] <alankila> yes, you should run these exactly during the time the system isn't working as expected. It's possible they show something, or could be they show virtually nothing, though
[15:18] <wildweathel> ojii, I think there's a a way to make top write a log (but I haven't done it before).  If you make it a service, you can start it during the boot.
[15:19] <ojii> 'make it a service'?
[15:19] <mbeierl> alankila: as an aside, computer janitor does pick up all the prior kernels, not just the deprecated ones, and it also picked up all the Likewise packages I have installed for AD authentication, so I'm not sure that it's necessarily the right tool either.  But it does make old kernel selection somewhat easier...
[15:19] <ojii> and yea writing to log is probably better
[15:20] <wildweathel> Oh, darn, no, it doesn't look like top can log.
[15:20] <wildweathel> I *know* atop can, though.
[15:20] <subtlety> anyone can tell me where the menu.lst GRUB config file is on Karmic? i simply cannot find it.
[15:20] <alankila> mbeierl: yes, I ran computer-janitor but I haven't used it before as well... I use debfoster to remove old packages so there wasn't much that it thought it could do
[15:20] <ojii> couldn't i just write the output to a file wildweathel ?
[15:20] <wildweathel> subtlety, it doesn't exist if you have grub2.
[15:21] <wildweathel> i.e. a fresh install.
[15:21] <alankila> subtlety: it may be gurb.cfg and you may be running grub2. The location is /boot/grub.
[15:21] <subtlety> wildweathel, how can i configure grub2?
[15:21] <subtlety> grub.cfg alright :)
[15:21] <wildweathel> ojii, top does funky ncurses things.  I don't know if it can do a straight text output.  You could try.
[15:21] <ioka> I installed the adope flash plugin (not the none-free one) .Do I need to do something more because youtube still says I do not have adobe.java script is running
[15:22] <wildweathel> subtlety, I'm new to grub2, too.  What are you trying to do?
[15:22] <ojii> wildweathel: i just tried and it looks weird, so i guess I'll just look at them in console
[15:22] <subtlety> seems more like a script to me :( i hope ill get used to it
[15:22] <ojii> gonna try it now
[15:22] <ojii> brb
[15:22] <mbeierl> ioka: what does firefox's "About:plugins" show?
[15:22] <subtlety> wildweathel, kind of complicated, trying to get iSCSI to work on ubuntu karmic. but its a very long road without any road signs..
[15:22] <mbeierl> ioka: that's About: plugins (without the space) in the address bar
[15:22] <wildweathel> and you want to add things to the kernel boot line, right?
[15:22] <subtlety> iSCSI on root, and PXE network boot.
[15:23] <wildweathel> oh,
[15:23] <subtlety> no i want to see how karmic boots normally, so i installed in VM and wanted to check menu.lst, so i can alter things in my TFTP pxelinux.cfg file
[15:23] <ioka> abode is not listed among ff plugings.should I uninstall the package I got from synaptics and download the one from adobe web page?
[15:24] <subtlety> once i get this working ill put up a tutorial. right now no doc on the web works go get a working iSCSI-on-root with ubuntu
[15:24] <mbeierl> ioka: did you restart firefox and are both ff and flashplugin-nonfree from the repos?
[15:24] <wildweathel> http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-2.en.html  is probably the best documentation, but I imagine you've already found that.  I haven't had time to absorb all the new stuff in Karmic, including grub2.  Sorry.
[15:25] <subtlety> its alright ill find my way. got the config file grub.cfg now and will read about GRUB2. thanks all :)
[15:25] <ioka> no I did not restart it.doing it right now
[15:25] <ojii> okay ran top and iotop now
[15:25] <andreas_> ah...the excitement of a beta release...this morning an update uninstalled my k3b...after a reboot I couldn't reinstall k3b saying it has "broken packages"...with the update a few minutes ago I could reinstall k3b no problem...I love it...
[15:26] <ojii> not sure about iotop but in top i got 100% CPU usage by bootchart for quite a while
[15:26]  * Dr_Willis installs k3b to check
[15:26] <thiebaude> andreas_, cool
[15:26] <Dr_Willis> k3b installed fine here.
[15:27] <alankila> well, the bootchart is probably constructing the large image that it graphs out of the booting process.
[15:27] <andreas_> great stuff...
[15:27] <andreas_> does anyone know if startupmanager works with grub2 now?
[15:27] <ojii> s should i try disabling bootchart?
[15:27] <Dr_Willis> I dont recall startup manager manageing grub...
[15:28] <Dr_Willis> but grub2 uses radically diffrent configs.. so i would guess not.
[15:28] <alankila> well, you can see if it helps any, of course
[15:28] <thiebaude> andreas_, have you burned cd's yet on 9.10?
[15:28] <andreas_> nope...
[15:28] <JanC> best GRUB2 docs are here: http://grub.enbug.org/FrontPage
[15:28] <alankila> it's bound to make system snappier for the period of time that bootchart would normally be executing at least. But that's after the boot generally.
[15:28] <thiebaude> andreas_, im on a fresh install
[15:29] <ojii> alankila: how can I disable it? just uninstall it?
[15:29] <G_A_C_> does anyone have a problem on a laptop where if the display is blanked for too long, your machine seems to lock up (network activity ceases, no response from keys, etc)
[15:29] <mbeierl> alankila: really odd.  Computer janitor has been running for about 10 minutes now... showing no progress and there's no activity on my system :)
[15:29] <alankila> uninstalling is a viable way to enable and disable stuff.
[15:29] <andreas_> smartdimmer wants to uninstall grub-pc (which is grub2) and install grub (which is grub1)
[15:29] <ioka> the beta privoxy from the repolsitories does not work very well.and + flashplugin takes a lot to load youtube video
[15:29] <mbeierl> anyone know why the git packages do not put git into the PATH?
[15:29] <andreas_> startupmanager I mean...not smartdimmer...
[15:30] <alankila> mbeierl: installed git-core ?
[15:30] <ojii> got some more problems/annoyances: my sound is always muted after I boot karmic, no matter what it was before i shut down
[15:30] <alankila> at least I have a command called git after that, I guess it acts as central proxy for the subcommands
[15:30] <Dr_Willis> Privoxy seems to be working here..  Not noticed youtube videos being any slower.. I dont use youtube much
[15:30] <Dr_Willis> I am using Privoxy with Chromium browser also. that may be a differance
[15:31] <mbeierl> alankila: yep.  and it got put into /usr/lib/git-core and I have to explicitly add that to my PATH when I want to use git.
[15:31] <alankila> odd. I do have /usr/bin/git.
[15:31] <thiebaude> what is git?
[15:31] <Kristinn> How can I downgrade ubuntu 9.10 to 9.04?
[15:32] <dtchen> ojii: running absolutely latest karmic?
[15:32] <mbeierl> thiebaude: a (for me really confusing) version control system like SVN or CVS, or (insert commercial product here)
[15:32] <ojii> dtchen: yes
[15:32] <dtchen> Kristinn: use apt-pinning
[15:32] <Kristinn> Explain? :D
[15:33] <dtchen> Kristinn: please use a web search engine to look for apt-pinning and preferences
[15:33] <dtchen> Kristinn: there are myriad examples
[15:33] <Kristinn> Ah, alright, thanks.
[15:34] <RediXe> #python
[15:34] <RediXe> oops
[15:34] <dtchen> ojii: just to humour me, what is the version of alsa-utils installed?
[15:35] <ojii> dtchen:  1.0.20-ubuntu5
[15:35] <dtchen> ojii: ok, please modify /etc/init.d/alsa-utils as follows:
[15:39] <duffydack> wildweathel, ive booted into 9.10, latest updates.. set "volume = ignore" for Master (does nothing anyway), master mono (woofer) so only pcm channel is changed.
[15:39] <dtchen> ojii: http://pastebin.com/d349c1c95
[15:39] <duffydack> wildweathel, any ideas about getting normal outputs working.
[15:39] <ojii> dtchen: ??????
[15:39] <dtchen> ojii: it's a patch. You need to apply it to /etc/init.d/alsa-utils
[15:39] <Sutibu> hey everyone, is it normal that I keep getting partial upgrades when running karmic?
[15:40] <dtchen> Sutibu: ...yes.
[15:40] <ojii> dtchen: how do I apply patches?
[15:40] <mikejet> I really hate the "Remove from Panel" button when right-clicking the trash can.
[15:40] <wildweathel> duffydack: Welcome back.  You have an ICH5 with amped/unamped outputs, right?
[15:40] <dtchen> ojii: using patch(1)
[15:40] <ojii> and do i just use the whole thing inclduing the $ cat?
[15:41] <Sutibu> dtchen: OK, thx. Will it do full updates once it's released?
[15:41] <dtchen> Sutibu: you should check why it's only giving you partial updates
[15:42] <ojii> dtchen: patch: **** Only garbage was found in the patch input.
[15:43] <wildweathel> Sutibu, see this sticky in the forum if you haven't already: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1286309
[15:43] <duffydack> wildweathel,  yup.. not non amped dont work.  ive used aslamixer to monitor and set volumes as best I can and done alsactl store
[15:43] <Sutibu> Thx guys
[15:44] <ioka> the problem could be that I have some obsolete packages.Upgrading now.
[15:44] <duffydack> wildweathel, something is new tho.. sound prefs, the output volume has a marker with "100%" about 80% along the slider.
[15:44] <wildweathel> duffydack: Is this a clean install of karmic?  Did you try it without any configuration files? (.asoundrc, etc.)
[15:44] <duffydack> wildweathel, wasnt there before.. not that it matters.. just pointing it out
[15:45] <duffydack> wildweathel, clean install and applied all updates..  login sound is / always has been stuttery clicking etc, but apart from that sound plays ok its just not being controlled how I`d like.
[15:46] <Sutibu> So I've run a few partial upgrades, that means my system is screwed?
[15:46] <duffydack> wildweathel, not messed with any configs apart from the analogue-output-lfe.conf to stop other channels from being changed with volume slider.
[15:46] <ioka> when I download some libraries for compiling will they ever be removed automatically?Or my os will get bigger and bigger?
[15:46] <wildweathel> duffydack: So, alsamixer aside, do the multiple outputs (amp, non-amp) show up in sound prefs?
[15:46] <duffydack> wildweathel, yes.
[15:46] <dtchen> ojii: just use http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen/alsa-utils , please
[15:47] <joaopinto> ioka, if you do a manual install, is up to you to remove installed files later
[15:47] <ioka> I see .Is there a way to keep track of the libraries and dev-packages?
[15:48] <ioka> I can not remember so many names
[15:48] <rsk> ioka: make a text-file that you edit when you remove/install
[15:48] <rsk> ioka: easiest way to keep track for me at least
[15:48] <ioka> is that what you all guys do?
[15:49] <Sutibu> wildweathel: i understand from the sticky that doing a partial upgrade is a nono, but I've already performed a few, does that mean my system is broken?
[15:49] <ioka> because almost for every app that needs to be compiled from source some packages , libraries are needed
[15:50] <IdleOne> ioka: there shouldn't be that many apps you need to compile
[15:50] <rsk> ioka: i see no point in having that list thou
[15:50] <ioka> are they needed to rune the installation afterwards ?Or they are required only for the compilation
[15:50] <ioka> *run
[15:50] <rsk> ioka: headers are for compilation, libs are for runtime
[15:50] <wildweathel> Sutibu, it's not a "no-no".  Your system is okay, as long as the repositories were okay when you last did one.  If they weren't, things wouldn't have installed and you'd be here asking how to get your system to boot.
[15:50] <ioka> I see
[15:50] <ioka> ok
[15:51] <rsk> headers usually are named -dev at the end of the package
[15:51] <wildweathel> duffydack: What kind of setup do you have hardware-wise?  Laptop?  Desktop + speakers?
[15:51] <ioka> oh this is very useful.10x
[15:52] <ioka> so when I download some headers with apt-get they are not listed in package manager.Is that correct?
[15:53] <RediXe> Any idea's on what would cause my 2nd monitor to keep acting like it gets disconnected for 2 seconds and then comes back?
[15:53] <dtchen> ojii: i'll need your /var/run/alsa/timestamp pastebinned after running it
[15:54] <wildweathel> RediXe, well either the cable is flaky, or the driver is shutting off the second output periodically for some silly reason...
[15:54] <duffydack> wildweathel,  actually.. i think ive got the volume thing fixed.. after setting the channel levels in alsamixer, I can raise the volume to 40% even without it blowing my head off...weird
[15:55] <RediXe> The monitor/cable worked fine before I made the jump to 9.10
[15:55] <RediXe> wildweathel, ^
[15:55] <duffydack> wildweathel, i have a laptop btw, inspiron 9100, quite old, but speakers are good and has a woofer which is nice.
[15:55] <wildweathel> duffydack: Built-in woofer?  Cool!
[15:56] <duffydack> wildweathel, yeah well its meant as a desktop replacement more than a laptop.. dedicated radeon 9800 256mb..still a nice 'desktop replacement' for me.. I dont take it anyway.
[15:57] <duffydack> its like 7 yrs old..or something
[15:57] <wildweathel> So, what fixed it?
[15:57] <ioka> a pop up windows came up.What is grub-pc?
[15:57] <duffydack> let me keep playing.. try find out what i did
[15:58] <RediXe> wildweathel, do you know if it's possible to rotate the 2nd monitor left/right? That option was gone after I updated and I can now only make it normal or upside down
[15:58] <nerdy_kid> someone broke gnome-power-manager again.
[15:58] <Dr_Willis> grub2 is called 'grub-pc' also  i belive
[15:58] <Dr_Willis> !info grub-pc
[15:59] <ojii> dtchen: /var/run/alsa/timestamp: command not found
[15:59] <wildweathel> RediXe, unfortunately, no.  My TV's installed right-side up, so I haven't even tried it on the X1400.
[16:00] <rsk> ioka: everything you download with apt-get is listed in package manager
[16:00] <ioka> ok
[16:00] <ioka> trying to figure out the option from the grub-pc
[16:00] <rsk> everything outside that is not a .deb will not be in there
[16:00] <rsk> ioka: option to do what?
[16:00] <RediXe> wildweathel, :( I run dual 22in lcds and would love to turn one vertical for programming
[16:01] <ioka> well it looks like it is an update and it ask me stuff
[16:01] <wildweathel> Well, if it was there before, then maybe the driver changed.  Can you rotate the first output?
[16:01] <tadas> helllo
[16:01] <Dr_Willis> like use the developers default config and so forth ioka ?
[16:01] <rsk> ioka: ok pastebin what it ask and link it here
[16:01] <rsk> ioka: do you know howto do that?
[16:02] <ioka> yes but it is a gui I can not paste it
[16:02] <rsk> screenshot is fine too
[16:02] <rsk> =)
[16:02] <tadas> hello
[16:02] <rsk> and upload to imageshack, or send it to me
[16:02] <tadas> is there a default username and password for ubuntu 9.10beta? i downloaded it, burned a cd and now when i try to fresh-install it, the setup asks me for a username and password. please help
[16:02] <duffydack> brb, reboot
[16:02] <ioka> damn I clicked cancel i wanted to go back to the previous option now it is gone
[16:02] <wildweathel> tadas, the CD should boot straight to desktop.
[16:03] <ioka> it came up again
[16:03] <rsk> yey
[16:03] <thiebaude> tadas, then you input your username and password you want to use when it ask you
[16:03] <BluesKaj> tadas, are you installing right now ?
[16:03] <RediXe> wildweathel, no both of them can only do normal or upside down... a fresh install before updates gave the option for left/right ..
[16:03] <tadas> wildweathel, but it doesn't well. well i mean i does, but asks for a username and pass
[16:04] <thiebaude> tadas, i  burned the Oct 14 9.10 alternated cd
[16:04] <tadas> BluesKaj, yes right now
[16:04] <ioka> this time I'm not playing with it.Just choose the default option.And at the end I got an error:E: grub-pc: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[16:04] <ArkoldThos> by computer freezes when burning something D:
[16:04] <wildweathel> RediXe, but it did before.  Sounds like a regression, then.
[16:05] <tadas> thiebaude, what username and password do you suggest inputting? i've never set one
[16:05] <BluesKaj> ok tadas , like thiebaude says makeup a username and password that you will be using from now on
[16:05] <wildweathel> Funny,  I can rotate my laptop screen.  Would you like me to try with two?
[16:05] <thiebaude> tadas, like BluesKaj  is saying, what username and password you want
[16:06] <tadas> BluesKaj, ok, i made it up. where do i put it?
[16:06] <bac> jpds: ping
[16:06] <RediXe> wildweathel, if you can please ... did you run updates today? I see some xserver stuff downloading so wondering if these new updates added it back
[16:06] <tadas> well any username and password doesn't work
[16:06] <jpds> bac: Hey there!
[16:06] <thiebaude> tadas, you using the text based installer?
[16:06] <tadas> i get the "authentication failed" message
[16:06] <thiebaude> hmm
[16:07] <tadas> thiebaude, no, graphic
[16:07] <thiebaude> tadas, ok
[16:07] <tadas> so what do i do?
[16:07] <RediXe> wildweathel, then again the only time I had it rotate was before updates in mirrored mode .. so maybe it's a mirrored mode option only?
[16:07]  * wildweathel saunters off to play with dual screen support on the r520...  be back soon. 
[16:07] <BluesKaj> uhoh tadas , then you didn't eneter a username and pw when it requested you to during the install
[16:07] <thiebaude> tadas, 9.10 asks for username and password?
[16:08] <tadas> it never requested
[16:08] <thiebaude> tadas, thats strange
[16:08] <tadas> thiebaude, yes
[16:08] <tadas> any ideas?
[16:08] <thiebaude> tadas, im trying to get a picture of that in my head
[16:08] <BluesKaj> tadas, thenare you are just using the live cd not installing
[16:09] <thiebaude> tadas, install the cd
[16:09] <BluesKaj> tadas, there's an install icon on the desktop , click on it
[16:09] <tadas> this is what i'm doing: i put the cd in to the cd-rom, restart the pc, the setup screen comes up. so i select "Install ubuntu"
[16:09] <tadas> the it's loading for a while
[16:10] <thiebaude> tadas, yes
[16:10] <thiebaude> let it load
[16:10] <tadas> ok, waiting (i'm doing it live)
[16:11] <tadas> appreciate the help
[16:11] <BluesKaj> tadas, is there an older version of ubuntu installed on the computer ?
[16:11] <tadas> not right now
[16:12] <thiebaude> tadas, its just a fresh install?
[16:12] <tadas> yes, i want to make a fresh install
[16:12] <thiebaude> tadas, cool
[16:12] <thiebaude> like me
[16:12] <tadas> right now there's winxp on another partition
[16:13] <thiebaude> tadas, you going to dual boot?
[16:13] <tadas> um, yes
[16:13] <tadas> is that a bad thing? :)
[16:13] <thiebaude> tadas, it depends on who you ask, for me yes
[16:14] <thiebaude> since i just have 9.10 only on my pc
[16:14] <tadas> why do you consider it a bad thing?
[16:14] <thiebaude> tadas, do you need windows
[16:14] <BluesKaj> I run dual boot with W7 , without any probs
[16:14] <thiebaude> tadas, that would be a long list for me
[16:14] <JoshuaL> anyone who knows why my second screen is not recognized?
[16:15] <ArkoldThos> JoshuaL, what drivers do you have?
[16:15] <tadas> well i need it for my sister everyonce in a while
[16:15] <JoshuaL> closed source ati ArkoldThos
[16:15] <thiebaude> tadas, nothing wrong with that, i use to dual boot
[16:15] <ArkoldThos> JoshuaL, no clue about ati :P sorry
[16:15] <JoshuaL> ok ty
[16:16] <tadas> ok so now i have winxp on one partition and the other partition is unlocated at the moment
[16:16] <thiebaude> tadas, use the install side by side option
[16:16] <ArkoldThos> JoshuaL, just googled this, hope this can help you :) honestly i don't know but is a try D: http://hobbylobby.wordpress.com/2007/09/08/dual-monitors-in-ubuntu-xorgconf-driver-ati-card/
[16:17] <BluesKaj> tadas, unallocated means it's not formatted to receive any particular OS file system
[16:18] <BluesKaj> yes tadas , use the manual partioning option, it's the safest way
[16:18] <tadas> ok so as i understand, when i insert the ubuntu cd, it should offer me to format the partition for linux
[16:18] <tadas> ok but when do i choose it?
[16:18] <thiebaude> tadas, it will get to the patitioning part and you'll have choices
[16:19] <JoshuaL> bbl dinner
[16:19] <ioka> ping clear
[16:19] <tadas> now i just tried to enter the live cd mode
[16:19] <tadas> and it still asks for username and password
[16:19] <tadas> what the hell?
[16:19] <BluesKaj> ignore that , just hit enter
[16:20] <thiebaude> tadas, yea, ignore it , it just counts down
[16:20] <thiebaude> the login
[16:20] <tadas> i get the "authentication failed"
[16:20]  * thiebaude wonder why they have that on log in a live cd
[16:21] <ioka> what package do i need for vpn connections?
[16:21] <tadas> makes no sense for me
[16:21] <BluesKaj> then someone has tried to install the cd previously withoyt entering a username and pw
[16:21] <ioka> i can not click on add vpn connection in network manager
[16:21] <ioka> it is greyed out
[16:21] <thiebaude> tadas, boot the live cd enter install ubuntu
[16:21] <thiebaude> start over
[16:22] <tadas> thiebaude, where do i enter it?
[16:23] <thiebaude> tadas, after the cd starts there are options, try ubuntu, install ubuntu, etc
[16:23] <tadas> true
[16:23] <thiebaude> tadas, put the cd in your pc and start with the cd in it
[16:24] <tadas> ok
[16:24] <tadas> so i get the options
[16:24] <tadas> which one do i choose?
[16:24] <thiebaude> tadas, install
[16:24] <ioka> isn't it pgp propriety .I see ubuntu uses not a gnupg but pgp
[16:25] <Pici> ioka: Ubuntu uses gnupg
[16:25] <ioka> because for keyring management i see pgp not a gnupg option
[16:25] <thiebaude> tadas, just answer the questions ubuntu ask you\
[16:26] <Dr_Willis> !info gnupg
[16:26] <tadas> I just chose Install ubuntu
[16:26] <thiebaude> tadas, ok
[16:26] <thiebaude> tadas, now it will load up
[16:27] <thiebaude> tadas, be patient with it loading up
[16:27] <Pici> ioka: What application are you referring to?
[16:27] <tadas> ok, i'm pretty patient :)
[16:27] <thiebaude> ok
[16:28] <wildweathel> RediXe:  Rotation wasn't an option with large resolutions, but was with smaller ones.  Either this is a limitation of the card+driver, or (ooh, idea!) the virtual display size (in xorg.conf) is too small.  In the simple case of two monitors, Display Preferences offers to make the change for you, but doesn't offer to do that for rotation.
[16:28] <tadas> but can you answer this - why does it ask me for a username and password if i chose "try ubuntu" ?
[16:29] <ioka> trying to find it again in ubuntu.it was one of the default application
[16:29] <thiebaude> tadas, is there a countdown at login?
[16:29] <thiebaude> tadas, if it is , im not sure
[16:29] <RediXe> wildweathel, So there is hope or no hope? Assuming no hope because I have no experience with xorg.conf :P ... but Virtual 3360 1050 is what it's set at now
[16:30] <wildweathel> How tall will the rotated monitor be?  (How wide is it now?)
[16:30] <tadas> ok so now it loaded up (after choosing "install ubuntu" from the very begining)
[16:30] <thiebaude> ok
[16:30] <tadas> and i see the login screen
[16:31] <thiebaude> tadas, dont enter anything
[16:31] <RediXe> wildweathel, 1680x1050 is current resolution .. not sure what it will be when it gets rotated :/
[16:31] <tadas> there's a monitor pic, "ubuntu" text below and a textbox below that with a button "Log In"
[16:32] <thiebaude> tadas, you didn't already install ubuntu?
[16:32] <tadas> if i don't enter anything and just press "Log In" I get the "Authentication failure" message
[16:32] <wildweathel> RediXe, the monitor will take up a 1050x1680 square on the virtual screen space.  Since your space is currently 1050 tall, it won't fit.
[16:32] <tadas> thiebaude, no
[16:33] <RediXe> wildweathel, :( would be be able to lower the resolution to help?
[16:33] <wildweathel> RediXe, yes, that'll make it work for now.
[16:33] <tadas> like i said, i have 2 partitions: one with winxp and another with free space which is now dedicated to ubuntu
[16:33] <wildweathel> But if you edit xorg, you can (hopefully) get it working with full resolution.
[16:34] <ioka> i can not locate it.Maybe it was encryption keys .But right now I do nto see the pgp option there.Anyway.Would you please tell me waht package should I install for pppt vpn M$ protocol?
[16:34] <RediXe> wildweathel, I don't mind editing it I just don't know what options to set or sections to play with
[16:34] <wildweathel> Hold on a minute, I'm going to see if I'm right...
[16:34] <tadas> and no matter which option i choose - either try ubuntu or install ubuntu - i'm led to the same login screen where i'm asked for the username and password
[16:35] <Dr_Willis> !vpn
[16:35] <thiebaude> BluesKaj, whats your opinion on that?
[16:36] <tadas> any ideas?
[16:36] <JDahl> from which repository can I get acroread?  I read somewhere that I just need to enable the 'Partner' repository,  but acroread is still not in the APT database
[16:36] <thiebaude> tadas, im not sure, i done many installs and dual boots and i dont know what to say
[16:37] <tadas> one more detail - on the login screen i can choose "ubuntu" or "ubuntu karmic (development branch)". if that helps
[16:37] <Dr_Willis> JDahl:  i think its at medibuntu
[16:37] <Dr_Willis> !medibuntu
[16:37] <Pici> tadas: Can you screenshot what you're seeing?
[16:37] <Pici> tadas: also, have you ever installed Ubuntu before? or is the beta your first try?
[16:37] <JDahl> Dr_Willis, have you installed it from there? Because some posts specifically wrote that acroread is no longer in medibuntu
[16:37] <thiebaude> tadas, i have seen even before installing that it wants a username and password, but i just let it countdown and its to the desktop to install
[16:37] <jimpop> JDahl, it's in the Partner source.  Did you reload after adding the source?
[16:37] <tadas> Pici, i have
[16:38] <thiebaude> Pici, he's getting to the log in screen
[16:38] <Dr_Willis> JDahl:  ive not noticed.. I dont even use it on windows any more.  I use envince or whatever the default is on ubuntu. and foxreader (or somthin glike that) on windows now a days
[16:38] <Dr_Willis> JDahl:  check the medibuntu package listings I guess
[16:38] <JDahl> j
[16:39] <JDahl> jimpop, sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-cache search acroread    shows nothing
[16:39] <Dr_Willis> JDahl:  i see 'acroread-fonts' in synaptic from medibuntu but no acroread. :)
[16:39] <tadas> Pici, i can picture it with my phone
[16:40] <jimpop> JDahl, well, it's there http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/pool/partner/a/acroread/
[16:40] <wildweathel> RediXe, Yes!   You do have to edit xorg.conf, but it's not a big change.
[16:40] <jimpop> JDahl, try sudo apt-get install acroread
[16:41] <RediXe> wildweathel, :D  ... can you pastbin or something the change I should make?
[16:41] <JDahl> jimpop,  APT can't find it...  is this the correct repository - deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu karmic partner?
[16:41] <Dr_Willis> !find acroread
[16:42] <IdleOne> Does Empathy support facebook chat?
[16:42] <jimpop> JDahl, i have: deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ karmic partner
[16:42] <jimpop> note the trailing /
[16:43]  * jimpop is d/l'ing yet another kernel update, otherwise i would --purge acroread and test re-installing
[16:44] <wildweathel> http://paste.ubuntu.com/294058/  << Okay, here's what my /etc/X11/xorg.conf looks like.  Yours should be similar except for the "Virtual" line, which we'll change to match your set-up.  How do you want your monitors and what are their native resolutions?
[16:44] <JDahl> jimpop, my sources.list is generated by Karmic.  Yours didn't help either - perhaps acroread has been purged from the repository database by mistake
[16:45] <jimpop> JDahl, it's in the repo, that URL i posted earlier says so
[16:45] <wildweathel> Oops, RediXe, pastebin above ^^^
[16:46] <RediXe> wildweathel, Display Properties list them running 1680x1050 - I want the left monitor to be as is and I want to rotate the right monitor counter-clockwise (left)
[16:46] <JDahl> jimpop, ok - then it's very weird... I just installed a fresh beta version of Karmic and enable 'Partner'
[16:46] <JDahl> thanks anyway
[16:46] <jimpop> JDahl, have you tried "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install acroread" from ... oh well, nm
[16:47] <Dr_Willis>  apt-cache search acroread
[16:47] <Dr_Willis> acroread-fonts - Fonts for Acrobat reader - Medibuntu package
[16:47] <thiebaude> acroread is in synaptic
[16:47] <Dr_Willis> thats it :) its not at medbuntu 64bit repos at least.
[16:47] <jimpop> ~$ apt-cache search acroread
[16:47] <jimpop> acroread - Adobe Reader
[16:47] <Dr_Willis> weird.. I got about every repo enabled..
[16:47] <Pici> !info acroread medibuntu
[16:47] <Dr_Willis> !info acroread
[16:47] <jimpop> Dr_Willis, perhaps medbuntu is is screwed up
[16:48] <Dr_Willis> !info acroread jaunty
[16:49] <BluesKaj> tadas, someone has already tried to install ubuntu without username and pw , reformat the partition, and try to reinstall
[16:50] <Dr_Willis> without? thats.. weird.
[16:51] <wildweathel> Okay, so here's how we decide how big to make the virtual space.  When finished, the screen areas will form a T or L shape.  The height will be the height of the largest screen: 1680.  The width is the with of both screens added together: 1680 + 1050 = 2730.  So that line should be Virtual 2730 1680.  Then, Display Properties will hopefully work as expected.  However, DM might not let you put the monitors next to each other unle
[16:51] <wildweathel> ss the width is enough for both to be unrotated (not sure), so you might need Virtual 3360 1680.
[16:51] <BluesKaj> tadas, ??
[16:52] <wildweathel> Yikes, I'll pb something that long, next time...
[16:52] <Dr_Willis> just 2 lines. :P
[16:52] <tadas> ok, i'll try to reformat
[16:52] <tadas> Pici, if you still want the screenshot: https://dl-web.getdropbox.com/get/Photos/20091015504.jpg?w=26b9fd5e
[16:53] <tadas> it's not actually a screenshot, but does the job :)
[16:53] <RediXe> wildweathel, brb
[16:53] <Trizicus> how do I increase the DPI?
[16:54] <BluesKaj> tadas, make sure when you install to give a username and pw when requested , those will be yours..other users can be added later if needed
[16:54] <Pici> Trizicus: System>Preferences>appearance in the fonts tab, in advanced.
[16:55] <thiebaude> tadas, and your screenshot needs a password
[16:55] <Trizicus> Pici: I do not see an advanced area
[16:55] <Trizicus> Pici: Nevermind it's under 'details..."
[16:56] <Pici> Trizicus: There should be a button in the lower right. I only have ssh access at the moment, so I'm not sure exactly what its called.
[16:56] <Trizicus> Pici: What is the normal DPI after 96?
[16:56] <Trizicus> after 96*
[16:56] <kaddi> hi is there an easy way to install the old kaffeine version back in karmic? I guess there is no package for it yet, no?
[16:56] <Pici> Trizicus: No idea, sorry.
[16:56] <tadas> sorry, screenshot (sort of) is here: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/677639/20091015504.jpg
[16:57] <Trizicus> And thank you :)
[16:57] <tadas> and if i click on the "ubuntu" i get this: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/677639/20091015505.jpg
[16:57] <BluesKaj> tadas, never seen that one before
[16:58] <thiebaude> looks like a bug
[16:58] <tadas> and if i try to login with blank i get this: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/677639/20091015506.jpg
[16:58] <tadas> just like i was describing
[16:59] <thiebaude> tadas, yea, thats messed, i have never seen that
[16:59] <thiebaude> up
[16:59] <BluesKaj> tadas, where did you get the iso live cd from ...does that even look authentic to you gnome users?
[16:59] <tadas> from ubuntu.com :)
[16:59] <wildweathel> RediXe, I made AA for you and I paste-ed it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/294069/ .  Sry the paragraph didn't come out right.
[16:59] <Pici> BluesKaj: It does. but normally the user should be listed where that horizontal line is.
[17:00] <thiebaude> tadas, you got the link to the actual download page?
[17:02] <RediXe> wildweathel, 3360 1680 works ... but I have a white/yellow/green line on the very botton of the monitor now ... I rebooted and it only shows up once I'm logged in and the driver takes over and does the rotate. Screen shot doesn't pick it up.
[17:02] <tadas> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/
[17:02] <tadas> "PC (Intel x86) desktop CD"
[17:03] <wildweathel> RediXe, well the only thing I can think of then is to make the virtual a little bit bigger, maybe 8 px all around.  But, that sounds like a driver bug, since the SS doesn't get it.
[17:03] <thiebaude> tadas, thanks
[17:03] <RediXe> wildweathel, hmmm if I flip it to the right that line goes away and it's fine.... nvm ... both monitors just flickered off/on and it's back
[17:04] <sheldon_85> how can hide an user from gdm 2.28.0 ?
[17:04] <RediXe> wildweathel, do you think that line would hurt anything .. I might be able to get used to it
[17:04] <RediXe> wildweathel, ahhh the flicker caused it to rotate back to the left instead of right ... hence the line is back lol
[17:05] <sheldon_85> found it. on gconf-editor thanks
[17:05] <wildweathel> It won't hurt an LCD, or affect any other software by itself.
[17:06] <RediXe> wildweathel, kk I'll leave as is until I can't stand it :P
[17:06] <TuTUXG> im stuck on a xterm session, how do i switch back to my kde session without log out?
[17:07] <wildweathel> TuTUXG, I don't think you can.  Log out, change session, log back in will fix it though.
[17:07] <wildweathel> Probably.
[17:08] <BluesKaj> Pici, tadas , I think a try was already made to install ubuntu on that partition without entering a username and pw and there's a boot init file on it , hence the username and pw request.
[17:08] <TuTUXG> wildweathel, sorry, it's different users
[17:08] <TuTUXG> one logged in a kde session, the other one is using xterm
[17:08] <tadas> BluesKaj, well yes, there was an older version of ubuntu earlier.
[17:08] <wildweathel> Oh, user-switch, you mean?
[17:09] <TuTUXG> i switched from the kde user to the xterm one, but how do i switch back
[17:09] <TuTUXG> exactly
[17:09] <tadas> but what do i do now? i want a fresh start
[17:09] <wildweathel> I think ctl+alt+fn-keys will do it, actually.
[17:09] <ioka> I have a lag and problems with the internet connection
[17:09] <BluesKaj> tadas , try reformatting to ext4 with GParted live cd and then reinstall
[17:10] <TuTUXG> wildweathel, but that's switch me to a different tty
[17:10] <ioka> I thought that this is because I had obsolete packages.but I am wrong
[17:10] <ioka> ping is so sslow
[17:10] <wildweathel> TuTUXG, IIRC, the two X sessions are on different ttys.
[17:10] <tadas> BluesKaj, ok, i'll try that. thanks
[17:10] <BluesKaj> !GParted | tadas
[17:10] <TuTUXG> wildweathel, ah, i didnt know that
[17:11] <BluesKaj> anyway tadas , good luck with the reinstall ...it's time for my daily walk , BBL
[17:11] <TuTUXG> let me try...
[17:12] <ioka> where should I put vpn secrets?I get error that there are no valid secrets
[17:12] <TuTUXG> wildweathel, thanks
[17:12] <wildweathel> Np.  Actually, I wasn't 100% sure...
[17:14] <RediXe> wildweathel, tried to change the virtual res by 8 and 20 px but no luck ... and this monitor is so advanced it doesn't let me shift the screen position through it's menu system ..
[17:14] <RediXe> wildweathel, Thank you for all your help :)
[17:14] <TuTUXG> wildweathel, u r right, the new session is on tty8
[17:15] <thiebaude> tadas, good luck on the install, bbl
[17:15] <wildweathel> It's not the monitor's fault, the graphics card shouldn't be sending those extra pixels.  It was kinda a shot in the dark, anyway.  Oh well, I guess you just report it and hope.
[17:16] <tadas> thiebaude, BluesKaj, and all others who helped, thank you guys.
[17:16] <dupondje> Somebody around that has thunderbird ?
[17:20] <Machtin> hm.. where in dolphin can i set a specific view mode as standard? like details without previews
[17:20] <dupondje> nobody uses Thunderbird ? :p
[17:20] <dupondje> wtf :p
[17:22] <Dr_Willis> I dont use it.
[17:22] <Dr_Willis> :P
[17:25] <tuxxy> damn did the latest updates bork anyone elses karmic aswell
[17:27] <tuxxy> the new updates make mine freeze on boot and if you do get in then its only to a flcikering terminal =/
[17:28] <MrcredsAlex> tuxxy, topic is: "Warning: There appears to be an issue currently causing VirtualBox images to fail to reboot after installing updates'"
[17:28] <error404notfound> after upgrading to karmic i noticed that /etc/blkid.tab was broken, any idea why?
[17:28] <tuxxy> MrcredsAlex, it is not a virtualbox installation though
[17:30] <ioka> guys how to fix this bug.Openvpn has failed because there were no valid secrets
[17:30] <error404notfound> plus this laptop has a Broadcom Corp BCM4312 wireless card and it has stopped working, i have tried various methods such as using https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/203819/comments/18
[17:34]  * dupondje searches somebody with Thunderbird
[17:36] <duffydack> dupondje, I do, but on 9.04 for now...
[17:36] <dupondje> hmz k :)
[17:36] <dupondje> cause it doesn't move mails when I mark them as spam :(
[17:40] <duffydack> dupondje, have you told it to in prefs.
[17:41] <dupondje> yep :s
[17:42] <duffydack> dupondje, so youve enabled "when I mark message as junk ----- move to junk folder" ?
[17:42] <dupondje> yep
[17:43] <duffydack> dupondje, and it doesnt do anything at all... I dunno then, works on tbird in 9.04
[17:44] <billybigrigger> dupondje, what tbird?
[17:44] <billybigrigger> 2.x or 3.x?
[17:44] <dupondje> ii  thunderbird                                2.0.0.23+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu1
[17:45] <billybigrigger> billybigrigger@cabo:~$ apt-cache policy thunderbird-3.0
[17:45] <billybigrigger> thunderbird-3.0:
[17:45] <billybigrigger>   Installed: 3.0~hg20091013r4131+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1
[17:45] <billybigrigger> try tbird 3.0 aka "shredder"
[17:45] <billybigrigger> i installed it from the mozilla daily ppa, want the link?
[17:46] <billybigrigger> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[17:46] <billybigrigger> there it is anyway :P
[17:46] <billybigrigger> firefox 3.7 and tbird 3.0 are in there
[17:48] <duffydack> ff 3.5 in 9.04 is fine with flash pages.. in 9.10 however when scrolling a page like youtube with video playing, its really slow, i mean really bad...
[17:48] <duffydack> is this a known issue
[17:48] <rsk> what's the new way to add repos again
[17:48] <rsk> for e.x ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa
[17:48] <rsk> i forgot the command
[17:49] <mvo_> rsk: add-apt-repository
[17:49] <rsk> ah
[17:49] <ioka> any ideas where should i put the cert file and the config file for open vpn connection?
[17:51] <oldude67> whats the command to force a fsck on reboot, shutdown -F -r now?
[17:53] <oldude67> also will that scan all 3 hard drives i think i have issues with one.
[17:54] <rob0> If it's not your root fs, umount it and manually fsck.
[17:54] <duffydack> i still do touch /forcefsck..  tho, you dont see anything happening in 9.10 now tho do you
[17:55] <oldude67> ok be back in a min.
[17:55] <ioka> guys network manager is not working properly
[17:55] <ioka> made a pptp connection
[17:55] <ioka> it does not wanna start it
[17:56] <ioka> it gives me no replies
[17:56] <ioka> nothing
[17:56] <ioka> scream in the desert
[17:56] <ioka> no echo
[17:56] <tobixen> hm, I wonder if "apt-get upgrade" is the right way to upgrade the system.  I chose "update manager" from the gnome menu, and the suspend problems I had earlier today disappeared.
[17:56] <ioka> what gnome menu?
[17:57] <duffydack> tobixen, update manager is like doing dist-upgrade..
[18:03] <jjardon> seems that the Gnome 2.28 version of devhelp is not in Ubuntu karmic: I filled a bug #451864 for this. Can someone confirm it?
[18:06] <oldude67> well if that command is right to force a fsck, then it either did it really super fast or i didnt work. cause it just seemed like it booted normally.
[18:06] <oldude67>  /did/didnt
[18:07] <billybigrigger> oldude67, boot into single user mode, or recovery mode
[18:08] <billybigrigger> and run fsck manually
[18:08] <billybigrigger> tried that?
[18:08] <oldude67> ya it gave me a error, but that was about a week ago, let me try it again and see if it happens.
[18:14] <yukongt> why does the update manager keep wanting to do a partial upgrade, but the only thing it does is delete amarok?
[18:19] <thiebaude> yukongt, that happened to me yesterday
[18:20] <thiebaude> !partial
[18:21] <billybigrigger> NEVER attempt a partial upgrade
[18:21] <ninjah> sometimes partial upgrades are all you get
[18:22] <yukongt> how can i keep it from asking me
[18:22] <ninjah> yukongt: Are you talking about partial upgrades? If so you can't
[18:22] <xcvbdfghj> dtchen: I've still got that annoying sound problem. :(
[18:23] <billybigrigger> xcvbdfghj, he's a busy dude, you might have to wait for some help from him
[18:23] <yukongt> anyone know why it would keep deleting amarok?
[18:23] <xcvbdfghj> billybigrigger: I don't think he's able to help me anyway. :(
[18:23] <billybigrigger> yukongt, because that's what partial's do, most, if not all, of the time
[18:23] <billybigrigger> :)
[18:24] <xcvbdfghj> billybigrigger: I've found a temporary workaround, though. :)
[18:24] <billybigrigger> broken packages that aren't ready...
[18:24] <dtchen> xcvbdfghj: which annoying sound problem?
[18:24] <xcvbdfghj> This new icon theme is really good!
[18:24] <billybigrigger> the whole theme is really good
[18:24] <xcvbdfghj> dtchen: LFE coming out of centre channel as well as LFE channel.
[18:25] <billybigrigger> just wish it matched the xplash/gdm themes a bit more
[18:25] <xcvbdfghj> billybigrigger: I like the new slideshow wallpapers.
[18:25] <BluesKaj> xcvbdfghj, lemme guess, pulseaudio is installed ?
[18:25] <xcvbdfghj> BluesKaj: No.
[18:25] <thiebaude> billybigrigger, its all coming together
[18:25] <billybigrigger> thiebaude, oh yeah
[18:25] <thiebaude> 15 days
[18:25] <billybigrigger> i didn't mean that sarcastically either
[18:25] <xcvbdfghj> dtchen: It's not a Pulseaudio problem.
[18:25] <thiebaude> billybigrigger, i know,lol
[18:26] <dtchen> xcvbdfghj: oh, LFE through wrong control?
[18:26] <xcvbdfghj> dtchen: Yeah, LFE comes out of centre channel as well as LFE channel.#
[18:26] <xcvbdfghj> dtchen: I think that's the problem.
[18:27] <xcvbdfghj> dtchen: The centre channel just makes my sound system pump out lots of bass.
[18:27] <dtchen> xcvbdfghj: have you installed linux-backports-modules-alsa-karmic-generic?
[18:27] <dtchen> xcvbdfghj: be aware that you need to be running _current_ Karmic
[18:28] <xcvbdfghj> dtchen: I don't know if I am.
[18:28] <xcvbdfghj> dtchen: Is it likely to fix my sound problem?
[18:28] <jjardon> how can I sisable the system bell?
[18:28] <jjardon> s/sisable/disable
[18:29] <jjardon> seems that it has been activated after yesterday upgrades
[18:29] <xcvbdfghj> dtchen: No, that package is not installed.
[18:29] <dtchen> xcvbdfghj: no disrespect intended, but i hate those sort of crystal ball questions. Please just install it and report whether the symptom remains reproducible.
[18:30] <xcvbdfghj> dtchen: Sorry.
[18:30] <xcvbdfghj> dtchen: Will I need to reboot after installing it?
[18:31] <dtchen> xcvbdfghj: you'll need to reboot if the upgrade installs a new kernel [assuming you aren't running 2.6.31-14.47-generic]
[18:31] <xcvbdfghj> dtchen: I'm running it.
[18:31] <ninjah> Ubuntu 9.10 is still beta software. If you have problems it's really just tough luck. Keep upgrading and hope there's a fix for your problem.
[18:31] <xcvbdfghj> dtchen: 2.6.31-14-generic #47
[18:32] <Ian_Corne> jjardon:
[18:32] <dtchen> xcvbdfghj: then no, just disable PA's autospawn, kill PA, alsa force-unload, modprobe snd-hda-intel, reenable PA autospawn
[18:32] <Ian_Corne> rmmod pcspkr
[18:32] <xcvbdfghj> dtchen: PA is uninstalled.
[18:32] <dtchen> xcvbdfghj: then skip the PA parts mentioned above ;)
[18:33] <xcvbdfghj> dtchen: I'll focus on my PA problems once I sort my ALSA problems.
[18:33] <jjardon> Ian_Corne, $ lsmod | grep pcs returns nothing
[18:34] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[18:34] <[31d1]_> hey dtchen, does the fix released for this bug imply that I can remove the audio-dev PPA? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/446987
[18:34] <xcvbdfghj> Yeah, that bug is annoying. ><
[18:34] <xcvbdfghj> A loud click all the time.
[18:34] <[31d1]_> not anymore cause dtchen fixed it :)
[18:34] <dtchen> [31d1]_: you can if you wish; we use the PPA as staging prior to uploading to main
[18:35] <dtchen> [31d1]_: also, the packages are versioned correctly, so the proper Karmic packages in main always supercede the PPA ones
[18:35] <[31d1]_> oh, neat
[18:35] <dtchen> [31d1]_: lastly, it's only fixed on a subset of hardware, it appears
[18:35] <[31d1]_> i guess I'll leave it there. Oh, that's a shame
[18:35] <dtchen> (yes, i know how to version; that goes with being a former core-dev)
[18:36] <dtchen> xcvbdfghj: if you're experiencing the powerdown anomalies, just disable it
[18:36] <[31d1]_> i don't know much about PPAs ... having to learn cause i bought a tiny laptop with a GMA500 chipset :(
[18:36] <xcvbdfghj> dtchen: FATAL: Error inserting snd_hda_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.31-14-generic/updates/alsa/snd-hda-intel.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[18:36] <dtchen> xcvbdfghj: sudo alsa force-unload
[18:37] <xcvbdfghj> dtchen: http://pastebin.com/m7c1a76db
[18:38] <xcvbdfghj> dtchen: Should I just reboot?
[18:38] <xcvbdfghj> dtchen: I only have a couple of hours before my parents go to bed.
[18:39] <dtchen> xcvbdfghj: sure
[18:39] <xcvbdfghj> BRB
[18:40] <subtlety> Why would i be getting " Unknown symbol in module" errors in a custom built initrd where both the modules and kernel are from the same ubuntu cd? I thought such errors would only appear if the kernel and module versions differ?
[18:42] <dtchen> subtlety: well, they must be by definition for that error to appear
[18:43] <dtchen> subtlety: pretty straightforward to troubleshoot. pastebin the modprobe command you're using and dmesg.
[18:43] <subtlety> im using a snapshot karmic, because the RC still contained some bugs for my purpose. is it possible the snapshot was incorrectly assembled so it had out of sync modules/kernel? sounds strange to me
[18:43] <subtlety> i got some output on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1271257
[18:48] <xcvbfghjk> dtchen: It didn't work.
[18:49] <xcvbfghjk> dtchen: The problem persists.
[18:52] <homoboy> ok, i thought I fixed a glitch in the new 9.1, but in fact, I made it worse.  I replaced "KDE Network Manager" with "Wicd Network Manager" and now I get this error message that says "could not connect to wicd's D-Bus interface. Check the wicd log for error messages."
[18:53] <BluesKaj> homoboy, do you have the wifi card driver installed ?
[18:53] <homoboy> pretty sure
[18:54] <dtchen> xcvbfghjk: still LFE is controlled by Master Mono?
[18:54] <dtchen> xcvbfghjk: can you download and run http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh , please?
[18:55] <homoboy> BluesKaj, it's basically saying that dsub does not exist, when I can actually get to it from the root filesystem.
[18:55] <homoboy> homoboy is very confused
[18:56] <BluesKaj> how did you insatll wicd ?
[18:57] <homoboy> from the repository
[18:57] <xcvbfghjk> dtchen: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=8e246f09d3622413688b737e510adb7b7478d6d3
[18:58] <BluesKaj> homoboy, how did you launch wicd ?
[18:58] <oldude67> anyone got a page for help on how-to-do a fsck manually with the umount commands and all in it. tried using recovery mode and shutdown -F -r now and never would work.
[18:58] <homoboy> BluesKaj, it installed a widget on my dashboard, so I used that.
[18:59] <matyd> hello, i upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 (kubuntu) last night. I have the intel chipset, before the upgrade the gui was working perfectly (i had to install with noacpi) then when i alt+f2 and upgraded rebooted and all i get is a black screen after the kubuntu load deal. i was told yesterday to do sudo aptitude update and sudo aptitude safe-upgrade but still getting the black screen
[19:00] <matyd> do i need to edit the xorg.conf at all?
[19:01] <homoboy> BluesKaj, now I have no network manager at all, and I can't reinstall either of them, considering I removed wicd
[19:02] <ytco92> hello
[19:02] <homoboy> yo
[19:02] <ytco92> audacious and rhythmbox can't play anything
[19:02] <ytco92> vlc works
[19:02] <ytco92> and i can't do "sudo alsa force-reload
[19:03] <homoboy> I trust banshee with everything. If banshee needs a new plugin to play a file it will automatically install it :)
[19:03] <BluesKaj> homoboy,  you can compile wicd from source ...that might work
[19:03] <xcvbfghjk> Banshee can't browse by genre.
[19:03] <xcvbfghjk> It's rubbish.
[19:03] <homoboy> pshhht
[19:03] <ytco92> oh force-reload worked, now it plays it but i can't hear anything
[19:03] <xcvbfghjk> homoboy: Having more than two browsing panes is very helpful when you have a 20,000+ track music collection like I do.
[19:03] <ytco92> ok rhythmbox works :)
[19:04] <homoboy> BluesKaj, how do I do that? I'm kind of a newb at linux
[19:04] <dtchen> ytco92: make sure you use the pulse output for vlc
[19:04] <dtchen> ytco92: you can check vlc's preferences
[19:05] <matyd> should i just reinstall 9.04?
[19:05] <ytco92> dtchen, now it works, i had to do alsa force-reload
[19:06] <BluesKaj> homoboy,  http://wicd.sourceforge.net/ ..there's also aFAQ / tutorial there
[19:06] <homoboy> xcvbtghjk: well banshee can sync with most ipods and it also automatically downloads cover art and, according to my friends, is much easier to adapt to than armarock, vlc, rythmbox, etc.
[19:07] <BluesKaj> VLC is the only player that doesn't fail on karmic so far, in my experience
[19:08] <Ian_Corne> totem works well
[19:09] <homoboy> the first run with banshee was very limited as far as compatibility goes, but when I restarted the os then everything started clicking, I think even better than it was in jaunty
[19:09] <xcvbfghjk> Totem works well.
[19:11] <BluesKaj> totem is an absolutely broken on mysetup but I'm using kde
[19:12] <ytco92> madplug: open_audio failed: XMMS reverse compatibility output plugin.  <<< that's what audacious says, and it doesn't play anything
[19:14] <dtchen> xcvbfghjk: looking (but will take a bit; i'm looking at a higher priority issue ATM)
[19:14] <xcvbfghjk> dtchen: No problem.
[19:14] <dtchen> xcvbfghjk: please ping me in 30 minutes if i haven't gotten back to you
[19:14] <xcvbfghjk> dtchen: Roger that.
[19:16] <DaskreEch> Hello
[19:16] <DaskreEch> anyone on Kubuntu?
[19:16] <oldude67> DaskreEch, ya and lxde? why whats up?
[19:16] <DaskreEch> Can You test a Login bug for me?
[19:16] <oldude67> ya sure, which one?
[19:17] <DaskreEch> Logout and at the KDM choose failsafe from the Session types and see if it works
[19:17] <DaskreEch> Also see if alt+T works
[19:17] <DaskreEch> it seems to be broken
[19:17] <oldude67> ok hold on ill be back.
[19:17] <DaskreEch> It should pop up the Session type menu
[19:19] <dtchen> xcvbfghjk: do you have an optical/spdif jack?
[19:24] <Machtin> has anyone any clue why i amarok 'steals' the sound from the rest of my system, or should i better ask in my distro's channel?
[19:25] <Machtin> -i
[19:26] <hggdh> Machtin: it depends on the versions of pretty much everything...
[19:26] <hggdh> kernel, alsa, PA (if you use it), amarok...
[19:27]  * DaskreEch hates PA
[19:28] <RanDom33>  i am trying to get the ati drivers for my ati x1200, in System > Administration > Hardware Drivers.. it does not list any proprietary drivers as available.. can anyone help me with getting proprietary drivers on 9.10 for an ati x1200
[19:28] <penguin42> Machtin: There's a KDE setting somewhere as to which sound system it should use
[19:28] <dtchen> DaskreEch: what concrete bugs affect you?
[19:28] <dtchen> DaskreEch: (WRT PA, of course)
[19:28] <DaskreEch> No sound
[19:29] <spiraliz> RanDom33, you should probably wait with that, until ati updates there drivers for the new kernel
[19:29] <DaskreEch> gave up after two days and uninstalled it. I've been fine since then
[19:29] <Machtin> hggdh: pulseaudio 0.9.19, Amarok: 2.2.0, KDE: 4.3.2 (KDE 4.3.2), Qt: 4.5.2, dunno how to check alsa's version
[19:29] <Pici> RanDom33: I don't believe that fgrlx supports that any longer.  The open source drivers should work fine.
[19:30] <dtchen> DaskreEch: err, that's not necessarily PA's fault
[19:30] <dtchen> DaskreEch: it very easily could be alsa-lib's or linux's
[19:30] <DaskreEch> the sound error was pulse init failed
[19:30] <dtchen> DaskreEch: that's a very non-helpful error message :(
[19:30] <RanDom33> Pici, so there is no solution then? just use the open source drivers?
[19:31] <spiraliz> RanDom33, anyway, you need the fglrx-modaliases package
[19:31] <DaskreEch> Agreed that it could be something lower in the stack but I was getting a pulse error and uninstallingi t fixed it
[19:31] <dtchen> DaskreEch: right, but that doesn't mean it's PA's fault
[19:31] <Pici> RanDom33: The open driver works great on my x1400. But then again, I don't use it for anything beyond compiz.
[19:31] <DaskreEch> I don't really do network sound (I may in the future) so PA doesn't provide much for me right now
[19:31] <RanDom33> Pici, I was just trying to run warsow and it does not run
[19:31] <DaskreEch> dtchen: I know I just said that :)
[19:31] <dtchen> DaskreEch: understandably people dislike PA because it doesn't work for them, but that doesn't actually help fix anything
[19:32] <RanDom33> Pici, another 3d game does run, but it runs at an unplayable fps
[19:32] <Pici> RanDom33: Have you tried disabling compiz before playing?
[19:32] <DaskreEch> agreed but no one really knew what the problem was and I wanted sound.
[19:32] <dtchen> DaskreEch: we have mailing lists and irc channels ;)
[19:32] <RanDom33> Pici, no have not, care to share the method for that?
[19:33] <DaskreEch> If I had a more vested interest in PA working I would have hunted it down.
[19:33] <Pici> RanDom33: open a terminal, type: metacity --replace
[19:33] <penguin42> dtchen: Which reminds me, my clicking problem seems to go away if all volumes are set to 100% - very odd
[19:33] <cpjr72> hey guys I just grabbed the ISO daily yesterday but update says there 81mb of things, will that bork my install?
[19:33] <Pici> cpjr72: 'things'?
[19:33] <DaskreEch> When i start doing more networked sound options as I said I'll probably start investing more time in PA
[19:33] <dtchen> penguin42: nope, that's a definite linux bug (well-known0
[19:33] <cpjr72> Pici, well its working, I don't wanna break it lol
[19:33] <RanDom33> Pici, and to enable it when done?
[19:34] <Pici> RanDom33: compiz --replace    But if you're going to be doing this alot, the best method is to install fusion-icon.
[19:34] <cpjr72> I thought the snapshot would have all the package updates
[19:34] <Pici> cpjr72: What 'things' are you refering to?
[19:34] <penguin42> dtchen: I can't figure out - I'd assumed it was a time/glitch pop sound - how does a volume setting cause that?
[19:34] <dtchen> penguin42: well, 'linux bug' in the sense that we can probably msleep in the driver, but it's better if your bios deliverer does it!
[19:34] <cetanhota> is there a channel for Apple Ubuntu chat?
[19:34] <oldude67> hey DaskreEch sorry , im not using kdm, im using gdm cause kdm isnt working right for me...i forgot.and had to reboot as well.
[19:34] <DaskreEch> oldude67: Worked?
[19:35] <DaskreEch> oldude67: Ok did you try to login with a failsafe and see if alt+T worked anyway ?
[19:35] <dtchen> penguin42: specifically, depends how your bios initializes the codec
[19:35] <oldude67> DaskreEch, no i tried switching to kdm and computer locked up and i rebooted.
[19:35] <penguin42> dtchen: Have you got a reference to a bug/details ?
[19:36] <DaskreEch> oldude67: since when did you have that issue?
[19:36] <dtchen> penguin42: there's probably some instance on alsa-devel; i don't remember the month/year off the top of my head
[19:36] <oldude67> since the alpha 3 but i re installed with a fresh beta and it still isnt working right.
[19:37] <dtchen> xcvbfghjk: ping, see above question
[19:38] <webbb82> in apearence under backgrounds there is a stack up backgorounds that will randomly change through out the day, but all the pictures are of outer space stuff how do I get them any pictures I want to shuffle
[19:41] <Omar87> Hi
[19:41] <Omar87> this system keeps crashing and logging out on me.
[19:41] <Omar87> Can anyone help please?
[19:42] <dave1231> Omar87: what ubuntu do you have?
[19:42] <Omar87> dave1231, what else?
[19:42] <Omar87> dave1231, Karmic
[19:42] <yofel_> Omar87: K/X/Ubuntu ?
[19:43] <Omar87> yofel_, Ubuntu.
[19:43] <DaskreEch> oldude67: What happens when you start KDM ?
[19:43] <arand> gnome-settings-daemon (2.28.0-0ubuntu5) \o/ \o/
[19:44] <Omar87> Any clue?
[19:45] <Amaranth> Omar87: what video card and driver?
[19:46] <Omar87> Amaranth, where is the hardware information/
[19:46] <Omar87> ?
[19:47] <darkham> after the ibernation ,doesn't works many things
[19:47] <darkham> like apt-get on terminal
[19:47] <darkham> software sources
[19:49] <Omar87> Amaranth, Ati Radeon.
[19:49] <adelie42> Is there an FOSS Dictionary that follows the Lexical Markup Framework(LMF)? (ISO-24613:2008). I find it hard to believe one would not exist. I have been looking for quite awhile. If such a project really hasn't been started, I could see getting a good chunk of an english one done for Ubuntu 10.04. But it would be really nice if one already existed
[19:49] <Omar87> Amaranth, a very old one though.
[19:49] <Amaranth> Omar87: ok, if the whole system crashes that's going to be a driver bug
[19:50] <Amaranth> adelie42: probably not the right place...
[19:50] <dave1231> might be the kernel, have you compiled it yourself, omar87?
[19:50] <adelie42> Any suggestions?
[19:50] <Omar87> Amaranth, I'm not sure, because Karmic does not recognize the drivers.
[19:50] <Amaranth> adelie42: perhaps find a channel related to AI, dunno
[19:50] <Amaranth> Omar87: well you can't use the closed source drivers
[19:50] <RanDom33> what is the command to revert to your normal display settings, i tried to run a game and it changed my video settings, now things are all magnified.
[19:51] <Amaranth> Omar87: so it would be using the open source ati driver
[19:51] <Omar87> dave1231, no.
[19:51] <Amaranth> RanDom33: system->preferences->display
[19:51] <Omar87> Amaranth, that's even better.
[19:52] <Machtin> hm.. where in dolphin can i set a specific view mode as standard? i always have to click on 'details' and uncheck 'preview'
[19:52] <nobled> so, if there's going to be a hardy -> karmic upgrade path, anyone know if it's going to be just for kubuntu again or for gnome too?
[19:52] <RanDom33> Amaranth, do you know the console command to fix it?
[19:52] <Omar87> dave1231, is there a way to trace the source of the problem?
[19:52] <Amaranth> RanDom33: you don't have that menu item?
[19:53] <adelie42> Amaranth: really? Don't see any use for a comprehensive well formatted dictionary for anything beyond linguistic computation for AI?  :(
[19:53] <Amaranth> RanDom33: perhaps `xrandr --auto`
[19:53] <dave1231> Omar87: i have no idea, you gotta listen to the other folks here
[19:53] <Amaranth> adelie42: well LMF was made for AI
[19:53] <Omar87> Amaranth, what do you think?
[19:53] <Amaranth> Omar87: I think you should file a bug :)
[19:54] <Amaranth> nobled: just for kubuntu
[19:54] <Omar87> Amaranth, yeah. Good idea. :)
[19:54] <RanDom33> Amaranth, yes it is something with xrandr.. but that was not it.
[19:54] <Amaranth> nobled: we only support LTS->LTS or release->release+1 normally but since we don't currently have a Kubuntu LTS...
[19:54] <Amaranth> RanDom33: So run `xrandr --help` and figure it out
[19:55] <adelie42> Certainly seems like a place where it would be absolutely necessary, but what about for a grammar checker?
[19:55] <Amaranth> RanDom33: If you're using karmic you can't expect to be spoon fed every solution, I'm sorry
[19:55] <Amaranth> You have to figure things out so you can be a useful tester
[19:56] <Amaranth> RanDom33: http://xkcd.com/627/
[19:56] <Amaranth> That's all I'm going to do anyway :)
[19:56] <RanDom33> Amaranth, oddly i just read that one
[19:56] <DaskreEch> oldude67: No crashes just a flat out lockup ?
[19:56] <RanDom33> Amaranth, im reading the xrandr help.. magnified..haha
[19:57] <oldude67> DaskreEch, ya it just locked up with a black screen ...so i had to do a hard reboot.
[19:57] <Amaranth> RanDom33: try holding down super (windows key) and scrolling down on your mouse wheel
[19:57] <DaskreEch> nobled: Wouldn't it be a hardy -> Lucid path?
[19:58] <RanDom33> Amaranth, not that type of magnify.. haha. I will continue reading xrandr help.. im certain that is the command
[19:58] <nobled> DaskreEtch: no, it's in the changelog: http://bit.ly/4Au7nt
[19:58] <DaskreEch> oldude67: Hmm was there a X log?
[19:59] <Amaranth> RanDom33: I'll give you a hint: xrandr --output <something here> --mode 1280x800
[19:59] <Amaranth> RanDom33: Using other features of xrandr you should be able to figure out the <something here> and the actual resolution you want :)
[20:00] <ojii> hi all
[20:00] <RanDom33> Amaranth, thanks, will experiment now ;)
[20:00] <ojii> is anyone else having trouble with wireless since the updates 2 days ago?
[20:00] <tobixen> wireless works fine for me
[20:00] <Amaranth> RanDom33: I actually can't help you any further than that without being on your computer or exchanging pastebin dumps of xrandr command output :)
[20:01] <tobixen> 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless WiFi Link 5300
[20:01] <DaskreEch> Anyone here using Kubuntu ?
[20:01] <ojii> or is there any way to boost it's signal? (maybe ubuntu tries to safe power and weakens it or whatever)
[20:01] <DaskreEch> Amaranth: Do you know if Lucid is LTS ?
[20:01] <Amaranth> DaskreEch: It will be, at least for Ubuntu
[20:01] <tobixen> ojii: probably not ... but look at the man pages for iwconfig, under "power"
[20:01] <Amaranth> DaskreEch: I assume it will be for Kubuntu too
[20:01] <DaskreEch> I meant for Kubuntu
[20:02] <DaskreEch> Has anyone said that it won't be?
[20:02] <tobixen> ojii: or maybe iwlist
[20:02] <Amaranth> DaskreEch: Since we have no major transitions happening in Kubuntu this time
[20:02] <Amaranth> DaskreEch: No, no one has said it won't be
[20:02] <Amaranth> Which is why I assume it will be :)
[20:02] <DaskreEch> Right I would guess Xubuntu Edubuntu and Ubutnu are all LTS so if Kubuntu wasn't then it would be mentioned
[20:03] <DaskreEch> and that other one which gets ignored for more propietary focus :)
[20:03] <Amaranth> jeos?
[20:03] <RanDom33> Amaranth, it was "xrandr -s o"
[20:03] <Amaranth> RanDom33: that's surprising
[20:04] <DaskreEch> Was that what they change the name to?
[20:04] <ojii> tobixen: iwconfig tells me the operation is not supported, but thanks anyway
[20:04] <DaskreEch> Amaranth: The fully FOSS one
[20:04] <DaskreEch> that only accepted fully free packages
[20:04] <tobixen> ojii: yes, I think there are very few driver/hardware configurations supporting it ...
[20:05] <ojii> well it's working now, let's just hope i don't loose the signal anymore
[20:05] <erle-> is the topic up to date? (virtualbox bug)
[20:05] <tobixen> ojii: It's even against the law in many juristictions to boost the power or sell equipment where the power can be boosted.
[20:06] <DaskreEch> Amaranth: They took it off the site :(
[20:07] <DaskreEch> Amaranth: bah Gnewsense works
[20:08] <metalf8801> is anyone else using Karmic Koala on a Thinkpad?
[20:09] <yofel> metalf8801: R61
[20:11] <metalf8801> do you see anything when you change the sound?
[20:11] <yofel> metalf8801: in Kubuntu yes
[20:12] <metalf8801> was that the case in ubuntu 9.04?
[20:12] <DaskreEch> Anyone using Kubuntu can spare a few minutes for a disruptive test?
[20:12] <metalf8801> i mean Kubuntu 9.04
[20:13] <yofel> metalf8801: not sure, switched to kde 2 months ago, it was the case in ubuntu 9.04 though
[20:13] <DaskreEch> yofel: thoughts on KDE so far?
[20:14] <yofel> DaskreEch: I like it, 4.3 is finally something that actually works...
[20:14] <metalf8801> because I never saw a sound bar on my thinkpad when using the sound buttons in 9.04 and I'm still not seeing anything in 9.10 beta and I'm wondering what I can do about it
[20:15] <DaskreEch> Yeah hopefully 4.5 really raises the bar
[20:15] <DaskreEch> Amaranth: Gobuntu! That was it
[20:15] <yofel> yep, I remember 4.1... <click on button>... <click again>... well, not yet implemented I guess...
[20:16]  * mac_v doesnt like Karmic ... :/ ....   seems too stable ;) wants more crashes ;p
[20:16] <yofel> lol
[20:16] <DaskreEch> yofel: ha ha yeah that was fun I filed a bunch of bugs on that
[20:17] <DaskreEch> mac_v: start running trunk
[20:17]  * mac_v seriously considering ^ :)
[20:18] <mac_v> FWIW  , the gnome3 in Karmic sucks... so i still have something to complain/file bugs ;)
[20:18] <DaskreEch> mac_v: Kubuntu Ubuntu or Xubuntu ?
[20:18] <mac_v> Ubuntu
[20:19] <DaskreEch> Run Gnome Shell and zeitgeist
[20:19] <DaskreEch> granted they aren't really crashy but the UI is different every week :)
[20:19] <mac_v> DaskreEch: my ATI drivers dont agree very well with gnome 3 ;)
[20:20] <cpjr72> hey where is that spinny 3d task switcher I saw in some youtube video?
[20:20] <cpjr72> spent 2 days installing 9.10 so I could do that
[20:20] <cpjr72> it was an epic install
[20:20] <mac_v> cpjr72: huh? link?
[20:20] <DaskreEch> mac_v: Perfect!
[20:20] <DaskreEch> You can spend a few weeks in Command line
[20:20] <cpjr72> mac_v, ill look it up again
[20:22] <funkyHat> Is anyone else finding inkscape really sluggish in karmic? :( this doesn't appear related to the other issue I was having with it (crashed with globalmenu)
[20:24] <JoshuaL> is it possible to have diffrent wallpapers per viewport?
[20:24] <JoshuaL> viewport/workspace
[20:24] <cpjr72> mac_v, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYgWE6Svpag right around 1min into it
[20:25] <mac_v> funkyHat: yeah ,it starts very late for me and eats cpu for a several secs
[20:26] <funkyHat> mac_v: not just that here, it's almost unusable because almost every action takes roughly 1 second to complete
[20:27] <mac_v> funkyHat: do you zoom in? beyond 1000%  ... i notice what you mention when that happens
[20:27] <funkyHat> I am only on a lowly Pentium 4, but it shouldn't be this bad, it was quick in Jaunty
[20:27] <funkyHat> mac_v: no, this is on a blank page, even zoomed out to about 30%
[20:27] <DaskreEch> JoshuaL: I can but I use KDE
[20:28] <mac_v> funkyHat: oh... that would be very unusable :/
[20:28] <JoshuaL> DaskreEch, lucky you then :p i run gnome :(
[20:28] <mac_v> funkyHat: did you file a bug?
[20:28] <funkyHat> mac_v: not yet, been too busy to even check for one already filed
[20:29] <DaskreEch> JoshuaL: Then no you can't unless you drop new keys in gconf I think
[20:29] <JoshuaL> to bad
[20:29] <h00k> So, I'm having severe kernel problems, I installed linux-crashdump, where does this actually log to?
[20:29] <jimpop> question:  On a laptop, do I really, really, really need acpi-support and laptop-mode-tools?  What are the issues associated with not having them?
[20:29] <JoshuaL> i wonder how karmic with kde looks like..
[20:30] <h00k> jimpop: what model laptop?
[20:31] <jimpop> acer aspire one
[20:31] <t0cableguy> is anyone having trouble installing ubuntu fresh from the install iso? i have tried it twice on two systems and it fails. I have tried burning the iso again at 8x, and it still fails
[20:31] <h00k> jimpop: with Karmic, you should be okay, as far as i know
[20:31] <h00k> !md5 | t0cableguy
[20:31] <jimpop> h00k, that seems to be the case so far. thanks
[20:32] <h00k> jimpop: I'm pretty sure all of the major netbooks are well supported with Karmic
[20:32] <BluesKaj> t0cableguy, describe fails , at what point ?
[20:32] <h00k> jimpop: I'm on my EEE now and everything works as expected, no extra config necessary
[20:32] <jimpop> h00k, well, the AAO isn't ;-) but it does work well
[20:32] <h00k> jimpop: what, specifically, isn't working?
[20:33] <jimpop> h00k, the only thing NOT working is brightness buttons, everything else works very well now (Poulsbo chipset)
[20:34] <mac_v> cpjr72: thats the cube plugin .. it was always there  even before Karmic ;)
[20:34] <mac_v> compiz cube*
[20:34] <h00k> jimpop: have you checked the forums or any bug reports?
[20:34] <cpjr72> mac_v, cool mac, thanks :-)  I just thought that video had some nice looking things going on
[20:35] <jimpop> h00k, but of course. added quite a few comments too ;-)
[20:35] <h00k> jimpop: good, good.
[20:37] <t0cableguy> MD5 matches
[20:37] <t0cableguy> i'm going to try and burn again
[20:37] <t0cableguy> one more time..
[20:38] <JoshuaL> how can i show a icon when using notify-send ?
[20:38] <h00k> t0cableguy: where exactly is it  failing?
[20:38] <t0cableguy> beginning of install
[20:39] <t0cableguy> i can run the livecd
[20:41] <t0cableguy> one system fails at 1-2% and boots to the livecd and tells me i have no harddrive space
[20:41] <t0cableguy> when i'm using the entire harddrive
[20:41] <t0cableguy> the other simply freezes at that part
[20:43] <tavasti> is there 'install console ove ssh' option in alternative karmic install cd, and how do I activate and use it?
[20:44] <funkyHat> If it's the same as the debian installer, choose expert mode and it will ask you
[20:45] <h00k> funkyHat!
[20:45] <funkyHat> h00k: !
[20:50] <tavasti> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/NetworkConsole
[20:51] <tavasti> ok, I'll try that
[20:53] <funkyHat> h00k: hi!
[20:53] <h00k> funkyHat: Hi!
[20:53] <h00k> I'm frustrated with my kernel.
[20:53] <funkyHat> :(
[20:53] <funkyHat> Silly Colonels
[20:54] <funkyHat> ugh
[20:54] <funkyHat> stupid apache
[20:54] <funkyHat> why aren't you working
[20:54] <funkyHat> lalala!
[20:54] <h00k> funkyHat: comment out:  'config: break;'
[20:55] <funkyHat> psh
[20:55] <h00k> otherwise you're just asking for trouble.
[20:55] <funkyHat> I am getting a 404 when I shouldn't, it's just a copy of my standard drupal vhost, but it's not behaving
[20:56] <funkyHat> ah, progress!
[20:56] <t0cableguy> ok, here's another one, what about this i updated from jaunty to karmic on my laptop. now I'm having issues with video codecs, all the video programs give me unable to find codecs. even vlc searched a couple places and didnt get too far
[20:57] <acuster> hey all, during upgrades I seem to be going through an inordinate amount of grub2 reconfiguration, is that just me?
[20:57] <funkyHat> I forgot to copy the database! worr
[20:58] <h00k> funkyHat: that'll do it.  well done.
[21:00] <h00k> is anyone aware of where linux-crashdump actually records to?  I'm having major kernel problems on my Karmic.
[21:00] <funkyHat> h00k: tried dpkg -L linux-crashdump
[21:00] <funkyHat> might give you some clues
[21:01] <h00k> funkyHat: no:(
[21:01] <h00k> funkyHat: it shows the copyright and changelog.gz
[21:01] <h00k> funkyHat: that'd be it
[21:02] <funkyHat> What
[21:02] <funkyHat> So it doesn't actually install a program?
[21:02] <funkyHat> ;P
[21:02] <h00k> funkyHat: well, it did...install...something, I don't remember what, exactly
[21:03] <h00k> funkyHat: it says its supposed to log kernel crashes, I don't have anything extra that I see in /var/log or anything useful in kern.log and syslog
[21:03] <funkyHat> dpkg -L lists all files owned by a package, so there should be more than just copyright and changelog
[21:03] <h00k> funkyHat: that'd be it.
[21:03] <h00k> unless its a metapackage and installed other stuffs?
[21:03] <h00k> or should that be listed, also
[21:03] <funkyHat> possibly
[21:03] <funkyHat> No that wouldn't be listed
[21:03] <h00k> ahha
[21:04] <h00k> *shrug*
[21:04] <h00k> I'm gonna scour launchpad
[21:05] <Machtin> hm. still haven't found out how to change dolphins standard view setting.
[21:05] <DaskreEch> Machtin: it's in the settings
[21:06] <Machtin> couldn't find it.. where?
[21:10] <Machtin> hah, found it..
[21:10] <Machtin> it's in view.. not settings :)
[21:11] <Machtin> then i can rest now :P night
[21:13] <Logi> after updating earlier today, X is dead. It complains that it "Failed to load module i810 (modele does not exist"
[21:14] <Logi> also, ther is no xorg.conf - wasn't there a trivial one until recently?
[21:15] <DaskreEch> Anyone using Kubuntu can spare a few minutes for a disruptive test?
[21:15]  * Logi is already pretty disrupted
[21:16] <ActionParsnip> Logi: try: sudo apt-get --reinstall install xserver-xorg-video-intel
[21:16] <bestadvocate> DaskreEch: sorry, not running it
[21:16] <Logi> ActionParsnip: ACK
[21:16]  * acuster hearts his new ubuntu
[21:16] <h00k> Logi: SYN
[21:16] <acuster> lovely
[21:17] <ActionParsnip> is the default file browser in Xubuntu livecd, thunar??
[21:17] <ActionParsnip> or is it nautilus?
[21:17] <mzz> Logi: no xorg.conf by default, at least not here.
[21:18] <bestadvocate> ActionParsnip: at first I thought; isn't it firefox? then my brain turned on.
[21:19] <ActionParsnip> bestadvocate: someone in xubuntu told me it was
[21:19] <ActionParsnip> :D
[21:19] <mzz> and xserver-xorg-video-intel doesn't seem to install i810_drv.so, so that won't help
[21:19] <ActionParsnip> mzz: i did: apt-cache search i810
[21:19] <ActionParsnip> xserver-xorg-video-intel - X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver
[21:19] <ActionParsnip> i'd say i8xx covers i810
[21:20] <ActionParsnip> am i wrong?
[21:20] <Logi> mzz: I won't miss it...
[21:21] <natewiebe13> i still have to use xorg.conf :(
[21:21] <igor> hi, does anybody know how to remove desktop swicthing annimation (the one with arrow, effects are disabled)?
[21:22] <natewiebe13> still using crt monitor, and xsplash tries to use 1600x1200.. so i have to use xorg.conf to get it to use 1280x1024
[21:24] <natewiebe13> igor: if effects are disabled, you shouldnt have any animation
[21:24] <natewiebe13> double check that effects are set to none, under system -> preferences -> appearance
[21:24] <igor>  natewiebe13: but I do have, blue arrow showing desktop switching
[21:25] <ActionParsnip> natewiebe13: CRT here too, works fine so I'm not ditching it
[21:25] <igor> natewiebe13: and ut's a biy annoying
[21:25] <Logi> (got phone call)
[21:25] <natewiebe13> igor: no idea then
[21:25] <Logi> mzz, ActionParsnip: no, that did indeed not help
[21:25] <natewiebe13> ActionParsnip: same
[21:25] <igor> natewiebe13: anyway thx
[21:27] <Logi> dpkg -S i180_drv.so draws a blank - where else would I find the correct package?
[21:27] <mzz> Logi: since I'm not seeing anything providing a useful i810_drv.so I have to wonder if it should be picking the "intel" driver instead
[21:27] <mzz> Logi: (apt-file search i810_drv.so only gives me userful-multiplier, which isn't putting it in the right place so that's not it either)
[21:28] <mzz> Logi: does "man intel" say it should support your card?
[21:31] <Logi> man intel lists pretty much anything intel, including soemthing with 965 in the name like mine
[21:31] <mzz> Logi: ok, then the question is why it's not picking that driver. Can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[21:31] <mzz> Logi: (you can use "pastebinit" to pastebin from the command line)
[21:32]  * mzz wonders if there's a packaged pastebinit equivalent that targets a better pastebin than pastebin.com
[21:32] <Logi> mzz: I have no idea how to pastebin anything from a console. It's been a while since I've been here :)
[21:32] <mzz> Logi: just "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[21:32] <Logi> ah
[21:33] <guntbert> mzz: pastebinit -b <url>
[21:33] <mzz> guntbert: yeah, but that probably only works on pastebins running equivalent software, right?
[21:34] <mzz> oh hey, it does really support a few others
[21:34]  * mzz is skimming the source
[21:34] <guntbert> mzz: true - I really should start thinking before typing :)
[21:34]  * Logi types in the nice url... sigh...
[21:34] <Logi> http://pastebin.com/f6e36d64c
[21:37] <Logi> ok, that's a lot more verbose and interesting than what happened when I tried runnign startx from the console
[21:37] <maheshjr2000> how likely is karmic going to break my system, will it be fine for the 14 days till release?
[21:37] <mzz> Logi: it's not actually failing because it can't find that driver
[21:37] <Logi> X is still a source of endless fun. 10 years, and it still fails to not disappoint.
[21:38] <maheshjr2000> .....how can X be THAT bad?
[21:38] <maheshjr2000> STILL
[21:38] <ActionParsnip> maheshjr2000: its very individual just like the hardware in each PC
[21:38] <mzz> Logi: if you start just X (from the commandline and not as root) what happens? Does it stay up (use ctrl+alt+f1 to get back to the terminal and ctrl+c it if it does)?
[21:39] <guntbert> maheshjr2000: is still beta and likely to break things - see /topic
[21:39] <mzz> maheshjr2000: apparently writing sane graphics drivers is hard
[21:39] <BUGabundo> hya
[21:39] <maheshjr2000> tru dat
[21:39] <maheshjr2000> sorry wrong channel
[21:39] <Logi> mzz: it stays up with a black screen, but goint back to the console it complains that it couldn't find i810 and "drops/dumps/something master"
[21:40] <maheshjr2000> I understand that its hard to write sane graphics drivers but still...intel has been broken for over a YEAR
[21:40] <sebsebseb> hi
[21:40] <maheshjr2000> hi seb
[21:40] <mzz> Logi: then I'm guessing X is as ok as it was before and your session is crashing. What are you actually trying to run, gdm or your regular session (startx)?
[21:40] <Logi> the .dm version seems to load the i965 driver
[21:40] <mzz> maheshjr2000: so it looks like this isn't the driver or X failing, it's the session failing (and X therefore shutting down)
[21:40] <Logi> Initially, kdm and lately startx. I'll add gdm and see if that runs.
[21:41] <BUGabundo> hey sebsebseb
[21:41] <Logi> mzz: 3 minutes
[21:41] <sebsebseb> BUGabundo: hi
[21:41] <mzz> Logi: err, why that many? are you rebooting?
[21:41] <mzz> Logi: just "sudo start gdm"
[21:41] <ojii> recently I get a lot of 'partial upgrade' messages in update-manager, is there anything I can do (other than wait) to fix that?
[21:41] <Logi> mzz: I'll need to install gdm first, I've only got kdm
[21:41] <mzz> oh, heh
[21:41] <mzz> Logi: use startx instead
[21:41] <DaskreEch> Anyone using Kubuntu can spare a few minutes for a disruptive test?
[21:42] <sebsebseb> Logi: I prefer KDM  now since this new GDM 2 can't be themed like before
[21:42] <mzz> Logi: then pastebin ~/.xsession-errors (and man I need to stop doing enter-as-punctuation)
[21:42] <sebsebseb> Logi: and KDM looks nicer :)
[21:42] <Logi> gdm seems to bring in half of gnome now
[21:42] <BUGabundo> soooo
[21:42] <BUGabundo> how is Lucid looking ??
[21:42] <Logi> sebsebseb: it does now - until very recently kdm looked like ass and I used gdm to launch kde
[21:42] <mzz> ojii: depends on what's actually causing them. The one I hit today just needed me to purge grub-doc (which was the grub 1 documentation)
[21:42] <sebsebseb> Logi: yep KDM wasn't that good before
[21:42] <ojii> mzz: how would I know what's causing it? I just have 'unselectable' updates in the list
[21:43] <ripps> Hmm... apparently rc.local isn't run at boot anymore, how can I re-enable it?
[21:43] <sebsebseb> Logi: I like having sounds on my log in screen as well, but  the new GDM 2 has messed that up,  with the old GDM it was :)
[21:43] <mzz> ojii: I think this time I just started the "partial upgrade" and checked what it wanted to uninstall
[21:43] <sebsebseb> Logi: so now it seems it's only about looks,  and  KDM is better
[21:43] <ojii> mzz: it uninstalls stuff? I thought it just not-upgrades stuff
[21:43] <mzz> ojii: I guess I might as well have let it run after that sanity-check, but just uninstalling the one package it wanted to uninstall let the normal upgrade process work
[21:44] <ActionParsnip> sebsebseb: slim is nice
[21:44] <sebsebseb> ActionParsnip: What's slim?
[21:44] <ActionParsnip> !info slim
[21:44] <ojii> mzz: the problem seems to be libavcodec-extras-52 and libavcodec-extras-unstripped
[21:44] <ActionParsnip> hmm
[21:44] <sebsebseb> ActionParsnip: You make it sound like there's another log in screen? :)   I thought it was only GDM or KDM
[21:45] <mzz> ojii: I'm still pretty new to this, but I think the problem is simply update-manager refusing to uninstall packages in its default mode, which blocks some upgrades (that conflict with installed packages)
[21:45] <ActionParsnip> sebsebseb: http://slim.berlios.de/
[21:45] <ActionParsnip> sebsebseb: there isnt "only" anything in Linux dude, Linux is infinite
[21:45] <ojii> mzz: last time I had that (2 or 3 days ago) it worked after waiting for about a day
[21:45] <ActionParsnip> sebsebseb: fluxbuntu uses it by default
[21:45] <sebsebseb> ActionParsnip: true Linux distros are about choice, well I guess in the Ubuntu repo it's only GDM or KDM
[21:46] <DaskreEch> yeah no XDM for some reason
[21:46] <mzz> sebsebseb: looks like there are a few others, see apt-cache search xdm
[21:46] <DaskreEch> ActionParsnip: There is pretty much ONly X
[21:46] <mzz> DaskreEch: no? apt-cache search xdm does see that here
[21:46] <DaskreEch> Really when did that roll in?
[21:46] <mzz> !info xdm
[21:47] <mzz> unsurprisingly not in main, but still
[21:47] <Logi> mzz: you're right. Putting xeyes into .xinitrc (had to look up what that file was called - it's been a while for that too) I got X running with eyes following the cursor
[21:47] <DaskreEch> Hmm sure that wasn't there in Jackalope. I tried installing it
[21:47] <DaskreEch> !info xdm jaunty
[21:47] <Logi> mzz: so it's not X itself and I'll go look at the next step
[21:47] <DaskreEch> weird
[21:47] <mzz> Logi: I'd expect ~/.xsession-errors to have hints (after a startx with your regular session in place)
[21:47] <Logi> sebsebseb: there is a gdm2.20 package
[21:47] <mzz> and yeah, I just saw that as well
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> DaskreEch: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System#Competitors_to_X
[21:48] <sebsebseb> Logi: what about it?
[21:48] <Logi> sebsebseb: it seems to be an older gdm - might be the one you like
[21:48] <DaskreEch> ActionParsnip: tried using them?
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> DaskreEch: can't say i have but they do exist
[21:49] <DaskreEch> ActionParsnip: you'll notice it speaks of almost all of those in the past tense
[21:49] <sebsebseb> Logi: the one I like is the one that's in 9.04
[21:49] <b1shop> does 9.10 not have filesystem.squashfs?
[21:49] <DaskreEch> OSX notwithstanding
[21:49] <ActionParsnip> DaskreEch: could find source i guess
[21:50] <Logi> ergh, far too much typing. I broke my arm 6 days ago and I need to be in a mostly-mousy environment
[21:50] <sebsebseb> Logi: type using the other hand?
[21:50] <Logi> I spend most of my time at work watching TV rather than writing code :)
[21:50] <ActionParsnip> DaskreEch: but you are right with pretty much only X
[21:50] <Logi> sebsebseb: too slow to use just one when trying to converse or if someone is waiting for feedback
[21:50] <DaskreEch> It's the one point of FOSS that I find sore
[21:51] <Logi> (but we're doing IPTV stuff, so watching TV is work)
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> b1shop: it can do if you load the module for it
[21:51] <mzz> b1shop: the module is built by default, just modprobe it if necessary. The tools are still available (squashfs-tools package)
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> DaskreEch: i see why too, you have choice but if you want a desktop you MUST use xorg
[21:51] <b1shop> ActionParsnip: i was refering to the livecd iso...
[21:52] <DaskreEch> I know. you would think that there would at least be another X implementation
[21:52] <ActionParsnip> b1shop: should have: squashfs-tools on it
[21:52] <mzz> DaskreEch: does kdrive count?
[21:52] <ActionParsnip> !info kdrive
[21:52] <mzz> DaskreEch: upstream isn't maintaining that one all that much though, afaik
[21:53] <ActionParsnip> http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/kdrive.html
[21:53] <DaskreEch> I would suppose as long as basic X clients would work on it
[21:53] <mzz> (try apt-cache search kdrive, two servers based on it are still packaged)
[21:53] <DaskreEch> TinyX :)
[21:53] <DaskreEch> As of X.Org Server version 7.1, the KDrive framework was integrated into the reference implementation and is now part of the generic source code release of the server.
[21:54] <ActionParsnip> interesting
[21:56] <DaskreEch> It's eating everything!!!
[21:56] <nick125> Hm. The Virtualbox issue applies to Karmic guests, not hosts, right?
[21:57] <sebsebseb> nick125: I guess so
[21:57] <nick125> *phew*
[21:58] <Logi> interesting... gdm2.20 says X failed to load - shows me the output and it's talking about being unable to create an xorg.conf for the *vesa* driver
[21:58] <DaskreEch> Anyone on Kubuntu?
[21:58] <Logi> reinstalling kdm (yes, I'm on kubuntu - barely) fails with an error conde from the configuration script, but no error message
[21:58] <ActionParsnip> DaskreEch: no way
[21:58] <Logi> I'm tempted to just go to bed with a book and someone will fix it while I sleep :)
[21:59] <ActionParsnip> DaskreEch: used to then kde just got annoying so got rid and flew to lxde
[21:59] <sebsebseb> Logi: by the way when you got KDM when you boot up and shut down, do you get to see xsplash or not?
[21:59] <b1shop> ActionParsnip: i was referring to the actual file named filesystem.squashfs on the livecd
[21:59] <ActionParsnip> b1shop: oic
[21:59] <Logi> sebsebseb: I do - but perhaps a fresh install today wouldn't?
[22:00] <sebsebseb> Logi: well I been testing since alpha4, and with KDM I don't see it on boot up, but I do on shut down
[22:00] <Logi> I've been patching this setup since alpha4 and I think it's time for a clean install
[22:00] <sebsebseb> Logi: altough maybe the reason I am not seeing on  bootup is, becasue it want's to  check my file systems
[22:00] <sebsebseb> Logi: patching???
[22:00] <Logi> sebsebseb: hmm... I do see it on startup now for a bit before the system dies with a black screen
[22:01] <Logi> sebsebseb: well, updating
[22:01] <sebsebseb> Logi: I haven't done updates for a while now
[22:01] <ActionParsnip> b1shop: could loop mount the iso and search it for the file
[22:01] <sebsebseb> Logi: i'll clean install in November
[22:01] <Logi> sebsebseb: at some point there will be bugs in install scripts or upgrades between two random builds of a library will leave cruft, etc.
[22:01] <billybigrigger> what is the proper way to install wxwidgets in karmic?
[22:02] <sebsebseb> Logi: yeah upgrades don't always go correctly
[22:02] <b1shop> ActionParsnip: i did.  that is the point.  9.04 has it... 9.10 does not.  i'm trying to find details as to what changed
[22:02] <sebsebseb> updates
[22:02] <ActionParsnip> b1shop: very weird
[22:04] <DaskreEch> ActionParsnip: What was annoying?
[22:05] <ActionParsnip> DaskreEch: constant crashes, weird artefacts, screen wrapping round the screen about 4 inches for no reason
[22:05]  * Logi is going to try a reboot and see if somehow, by magic, gdm will launch
[22:05] <ActionParsnip> DaskreEch: after 3.5 went to 4 it sucked, and it nevber got better so I went to something that actually works
[22:05] <DaskreEch> ActionParsnip: Woah. Sounds like demon video card drivers doing battle :)
[22:05] <ActionParsnip> DaskreEch: nvidia
[22:06] <ActionParsnip> DaskreEch: all nvidia, all the time
[22:06] <DaskreEch> They are pretty much a dead company now
[22:06] <ActionParsnip> DaskreEch: yeah but when kde 4.0 was around?
[22:07] <BUGabundo> guys anyone having trouble with 3G modems??
[22:07] <DaskreEch> Nope 4.0 was a sledgehammer to the gut
[22:07] <Logi> I'm in, but that was odd
[22:07] <BUGabundo> mine has a regresion where it tries to mount the driver partition
[22:07] <BUGabundo> that should be ignored by UDEV
[22:07] <ActionParsnip> DaskreEch: anyway it sucked so i dropped it like it was hot
[22:08] <Logi> gdm launched an xterm and I had to run startkde manually
[22:08] <DaskreEch> It was hot :)
[22:08] <mzz> Logi: sounds like gdm running the wrong session for whatever reason
[22:09] <mzz> Logi: there's usually a fallback or rescue or whatever session that runs pretty much just an xterm and/or twm
[22:09] <ActionParsnip> clean simple lines are good :)
[22:09] <Logi> ActionParsnip: it did get better, but just not really *good*
[22:09] <ActionParsnip> anyways off for a movie
[22:09] <Logi> mzz: I'm guessing there will be an updated kdm overnight and I'll install that in the morning while watching tv for work
[22:09] <ActionParsnip> keep it weapon
[22:09] <DaskreEch> mzz: That breaks for me in Koala
[22:09] <mzz> BUGabundo: reported on the launchpad bug tracker? Might be as simple as a missing udev rule, fixable if you provide information on the modem
[22:10] <BUGabundo> mzz: not yet
[22:10] <BUGabundo> need to debug it 1st
[22:10] <thiebaude> BUGabundo,
[22:10] <BUGabundo> waiting for asac (or any expert) to come online
[22:10] <BUGabundo> and help out
[22:10] <BUGabundo> doing RC upgrades
[22:10] <BUGabundo> so I can test it better
[22:10] <BUGabundo> Need to get 448MB/505MB of archives. After unpacking 291MB will be used.
[22:11] <BUGabundo> is a lot of upgrades
[22:11] <mzz> BUGabundo: see /lib/udev/rules.d/61-option-modem-modeswitch.rules and friends
[22:11] <mzz> also 61-mobile-action.rules
[22:11] <BUGabundo> mzz: what should I be looking for!?!?
[22:12] <mzz> BUGabundo: afaik those have the udev rules that should be switching your modem from driver "cd" mode to actual modem mode
[22:12] <mzz> BUGabundo: I'd check if your modem's in there, and add a rule (preferably in /etc/udev/rules.d/) if it isn't
[22:12] <mzz> or just file a bug and have someone else do it :)
[22:13] <BUGabundo> sorry about that
[22:13] <BUGabundo> 3G felt, so pidgin crashed
[22:13] <mzz> BUGabundo: I'd check if your modem's in there, and add a rule (preferably in /etc/udev/rules.d/) if it isn't (or just file a bug and have someone else do it :)
[22:14] <BUGabundo> I need for it to be fixed at distro level
[22:14] <BUGabundo> this modem is very common in Portugal
[22:14] <BUGabundo> and this was working up to last week
[22:29] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: It can't be fixed at the distro level until you figure out how to fix it
[22:30] <BUGabundo> Amaranth: true!
[22:30] <BUGabundo> that's why I'm requesting help :)
[22:32] <mzz> BUGabundo: usb modem?
[22:32] <BUGabundo> mzz: yes, 3G dongles
[22:33] <mzz> BUGabundo: can you pastebin the lsusb output, which seems to have the numeric ids in it?
[22:33] <Sh4wn> Hi guys, I'm trying to fix my ubuntu 9.10 installation, through a live cd because I can't connect to a wireless network on the recovery netroot. So I use the command sudo chroot /media/my-ubuntu-9.10-partition
[22:33] <Sh4wn> en then apt-get update, and upgrade
[22:33] <mzz> Sh4wn: might have to bindmount a few things (like /dev to /media/blah/dev, and the same for /sys and /proc)
[22:33] <BUGabundo> mzz: sure
[22:34] <Sh4wn> hmm ok mzz
[22:34] <BUGabundo> mzz: Bus 004 Device 013: ID 12d1:1003 Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. E220 HSDPA Modem / E270 HSDPA/HSUPA Modem
[22:34] <mzz> Sh4wn: what's the actual problem though? :)
[22:34] <mortal> hello. I wonder what is wrong, I am running karmic on eee 901 with raid0 ssd drives and firefox just stalls when I have much hd activity
[22:34] <Sh4wn> because now my networking doesn't work on that chroot'ed shell
[22:34] <mzz> mortal: what kind of filesystem?
[22:34] <mortal> xfs
[22:34] <mzz> mortal: no clue if that's normal for that, sorry
[22:35] <mortal> it seems that it cant get to the disk and freezes
[22:35] <mzz> mortal: if the "much hd activity" is on a different partition than ~/.mozilla is that might help
[22:35] <BUGabundo> mzz: Amaranth: lsusb -v | pastebinit
[22:35] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/294233/
[22:35] <mortal> mzz: I have raid0ed the drives
[22:35] <mzz> BUGabundo: sec, multitasking, as you can see :)
[22:35] <mortal> single raid device
[22:35] <mzz> mortal: that won't help
[22:35] <DaskreEch> Anyone using Kubuntu?
[22:36] <mortal> maybe I should make a ramdisk
[22:36] <BUGabundo> mzz: I see it :)
[22:36] <BUGabundo> I'm doing it too
[22:36] <mzz> mortal: there was (to some extent still is) a problem with firefox (through sqlite) being a bit fsync-happy, which on some filesystems interacts badly with unrelated filesystem activity (flushing *everything*)
[22:36] <mzz> mortal: mainly affected ext3, might also affect xfs (I'm not familiar with it)
[22:36] <mortal> okies, thanks
[22:37] <mzz> BUGabundo: 12d1:1446 is in there, but yours is not, which might very well be the problem.
[22:37] <BUGabundo> I know!
[22:37] <BUGabundo> hence me saying it's a regression
[22:37] <BUGabundo> but I wasn't sure where to look for data to match against
[22:38] <mzz> BUGabundo: if you manually run "modem-modeswitch -v 0x12d1 -p 0x1003 -t option-zerocd" does it fix it?
[22:38] <BUGabundo> so that's all I need to report on the udev bug?
[22:38] <BUGabundo> modem-modeswitch: command not found
[22:38] <mzz> BUGabundo: sorry, it's in /lib/udev
[22:38] <BUGabundo>  apt-cache search modem-modeswitch returns empty
[22:39] <BUGabundo> $ /lib/udev/modem-modeswitch -v 0x12d1 -p 0x1003 -t option-zerocd
[22:39] <BUGabundo> E: no device found.
[22:39]  * mzz frowns
[22:39] <Sh4wn> mzz: after some updates came in on 9.10, it wouldn't boot anymore (the gray ubuntu logo appears, after a while it disappears and then the screen turns black), but when I fix the packages I think it will be working again
[22:40] <mzz> BUGabundo: err, can you "strace -f /lib/udev/modem-modeswitch -v 0x12d1 -p 0x1003 -t option-zerocd 2>&1 | pastebinit"
[22:40] <BUGabundo> $ strace -f /lib/udev/modem-modeswitch -v 0x12d1 -p 0x1003 -t option-zerocd 2>&1 | pastebinit
[22:40] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/294236/
[22:41] <mzz> Sh4wn: ahh, you probably need to copy over /etc/resolv.conf from outside the chroot
[22:41] <mzz> BUGabundo: heh. try again with sudo (the original command, not the strace)
[22:41] <BUGabundo> okidoki
[22:41] <BUGabundo> $ sudo /lib/udev/modem-modeswitch -v 0x12d1 -p 0x1003 -t option-zerocd
[22:41] <BUGabundo> E: no device found.
[22:41] <mzz> BUGabundo: bah. Run the strace through sudo then.
[22:42]  * mzz wonders if he just typoed an id
[22:42] <BUGabundo> $ sudo strace -f /lib/udev/modem-modeswitch -v 0x12d1 -p 0x1003 -t option-zerocd 2>&1 | pastebinit
[22:42] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/294238/
[22:43] <Sh4wn> mzz: thanks, got apt working :)
[22:43] <mzz> BUGabundo: huh, it does read the device node but apparently doesn't like it. Sec.
[22:44] <mzz> BUGabundo: try ejecting the fake cdrom with "eject /dev/sr<something>" then
[22:44] <BUGabundo> its already ejected
[22:44] <mzz> BUGabundo: (I can't tell the right value of "something", check dmesg if it isn't obvious)
[22:44] <BUGabundo> :)
[22:44] <BUGabundo> I did it earlier via GUI
[22:44] <mzz> ahhhh
[22:45] <mzz> BUGabundo: that'd explain the modem-modeswitch not working. Does that work if you replug the modem?
[22:45] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:45] <BUGabundo> repluging
[22:45] <mzz> BUGabundo: you kinda want to know if modem-modeswitch works for the bug report, because afaik that's the preferred way *if* the modem supports it
[22:45] <BUGabundo> ok its ready
[22:45] <BUGabundo> but not mounted!
[22:46] <BUGabundo> since I haven't started the connection
[22:46] <BUGabundo> should I run the 1st command now?
[22:46] <mzz> BUGabundo: yep
[22:47] <mzz> BUGabundo: what we're trying to find out is if using modem-modeswitch instead of ejecting the fake cd works (makes the fake cd disappear)
[22:47] <BUGabundo> $ /lib/udev/modem-modeswitch -v 0x12d1 -p 0x1003 -t option-zerocd
[22:47] <BUGabundo> E: no device found.
[22:49] <BUGabundo> mzz: ^^^
[22:51] <ripps> How do you save volume settings between boots? I don't want to have to set my tone, bass, and treble controls manually every boot
[22:51] <mzz> BUGabundo: same with sudo?
[22:51] <DaskreEch> ripps: +1
[22:53] <virtuald>   ripps according to changelogs that bug's fixed
[22:53]  * BUGabundo tried
[22:53]  * BUGabundo tries
[22:55] <BUGabundo> mzz: $ sudo /lib/udev/modem-modeswitch -v 0x12d1 -p 0x1003 -t option-zerocd E: no device found.
[22:55] <wirechief> authentication is required to mount the device << in a dialog box when i boot my karmic .iso , i clear it and everything seems ok is something missing in my .iso ? or is this just anohter karmic error
[22:55] <Sh4wn> just leave the password entry empty
[22:55] <Sh4wn> en click on authenticate
[22:55] <mzz> BUGabundo: ok, then (assuming the fake cd *is* still there at this point) I'd file a bug including the lsusb -v output and the information modem-modeswitch failed with the above output and ejecting the cd did work
[22:55] <Sh4wn> *and
[22:56] <mzz> BUGabundo: (after confirming there isn't already a bug report, obviously)
[22:56] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:56] <wirechief> Sh4wn ok thanks
[22:56] <BUGabundo> mzz: apporting it NOW
[22:56] <BUGabundo> thanks for the help
[22:56] <ripps> virtuald: clearly, it's not fixed, because I just had to reset my bass and treble settings in an alsamixer 15 minutes ago
[22:57] <BUGabundo> mzz: udev right?
[22:57] <mzz> err, sec
[22:57] <mzz> BUGabundo: I think so, yes.
[22:58] <BUGabundo>   S: Send report (664.4 KiB)
[22:58] <mzz> huh, hefty
[23:02] <tarzan> hi
[23:07] <tarzan> i updated to karmic yesterday and i am very preasently surprised. (at least) gtk+ apps are much seem to react much faster, even swt (java + gtk+) is really usable now. what changed?
[23:08] <billybigrigger> anyone know if g++ 4.3 and 4.4 are compatible?
[23:08] <billybigrigger> trying to figure out why this program won't compile, and i'm talking to the author and 4.3 was used..karmic has 4.4 installed
[23:09] <webbb82> ok
[23:10] <BUGabundo> mzz: Amaranth: dtchen: FYI https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/452583
[23:11] <mzz> "dmi.sys.vendor: To Be Filled By O.E.M.", heh
[23:14] <mzz> does someone know if there's an update thingy (either cli or gui) that shows me all the changelog entries for my updates in one list? update-manager is close but a bit awkward in having two lists to scroll through
[23:15] <mzz> bonus points if it does something more useful than update-manager if "The list of changes is not available yet"
[23:15] <Xptical> how do I make Windows the default in GRUB2?
[23:16] <BUGabundo> mzz: I do
[23:16] <BUGabundo> mzz: apt-listchange
[23:16] <BUGabundo> it can do pager, gui, cli, email etc
[23:16] <mzz> BUGabundo: ah, neat. I think someone mentioned that before, I thought "I'll find it later", but didn't realise it's a separate package
[23:16]  * mzz gives it a shot
[23:16] <BUGabundo> Xptical: edit /etc/defaults/grub and change the stanza as you used to
[23:17] <Xptical> okay
[23:17] <Xptical> thanks
[23:17] <undeconstructed> synaptic's changelist downloading seems to do better than update-manager's
[23:18] <mzz> undeconstructed: I don't know if that message is actually generated by update-manager or retrieved from somewhere. If it's generated it seems a bit daft to do that instead of just grabbing the changelog entry, since the url is right there in the message
[23:18]  * mzz considers patching update-manager to do just that
[23:28] <codnik> Hello everyone. I'm having an issue with latest update of Karmic... I'm wondering if that's a common issue. Whenever it asks me for authentication to install an update or remove a package, it locks on that window, after I enter my root password and press authenticate. Sometimes closing this dialog makes it work normally, sometimes it just freezes.
[23:28] <mzz> haven't seen that
[23:28] <rockrat_> hello
[23:30] <codnik> Began to happen after a partial update. When I opened the update manager to download the rest of the packages, it began to do that.
[23:34] <drs305> Anyone on here getting Karmic splash images to work in VirtualBox?
[23:36] <plazia> anyone with an x-fi card noticed that when you turn the master volume down in gnome it appears to take the sample volume or bitrate down. the quality goes terrible. turn the volume back up to max and it returns to normal quality?
[23:36] <plazia> sample volume/sample rate
[23:36] <rr72> is there an issue with gnome-vfs-obexftp and installing gnome?
[23:43] <rr72> I am in xubuntu and when trying to install 'gnome' it says 'gnome-vfs-obexftp' is not able to be installed
[23:43] <maco> rr72: sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[23:44] <maco> er oooooh
[23:44] <maco> does it say *why* it cant be installed?
[23:44] <maco> like a dependency issue?
[23:44] <rr72> yes
[23:44] <maco> could you elaborate?
[23:44] <rr72> hold on let me start my laptop up
[23:44] <rr72> one sec, sorry maco
[23:48] <rr72> maco~ ok on my laptop
[23:48] <maco> rr72: first "sudo apt-get update" to make sure its looking at the current stuff
[23:49] <maco> then when you try to install it, pastebin the dependency error you get
[23:49] <rr72> pastebin 2 lines?
[23:50] <rr72> tells me a broken package too
[23:52] <rr72> http://pastebin.com/f4e628f9e
[23:52] <rr72> maco~ ^
[23:53] <maco> rr72: see what it says when you try to just install gnome-vfs-obexftgnome-vfs-obexftpp
[23:53] <maco> er withotu the double pasting
[23:53] <rr72> virtual thing
[23:54] <rr72> iirc, hold on
[23:54] <rr72> wait there are 24 updates
[23:54] <rr72> maybe I should upgrade?
[23:54] <UnNaturalHigh> anyone here have a problem where there laptop touchpad does not work, along with all desktop effects?
[23:55] <rr72> maco~ has no installation cadidate
[23:56] <UnNaturalHigh> strange xorg is also maxing out at 100%  of cpu
[23:57] <rockrat> hello