| mac_v | jonian_g: kwwii: <mac_v> mpt: any reason for the software store icon being so very pale in the smaller sizes? icon looks a bit sick ;) | 03:01 |
|---|---|---|
| mac_v | * mpt bangs head on desk | 03:01 |
| mac_v | <mac_v> \o/ | 03:01 |
| mac_v | <mpt> mac_v, it was so the outlines would look sharper, so that it would look more obviously like a bag | 03:01 |
| mac_v | <mac_v> mpt: but still the present color is a bit weird .... check the color of the "other" icon.. in the departments... that could be used...anyways just mentioning ... | 03:01 |
| mac_v | <mpt> mac_v, true, but too late for that now | 03:01 |
| mac_v | kwwii: mpt said it was too late... is there anyway we could fix this? the icon really looks too pale ;) | 03:03 |
| mac_v | kwwii: hehe.. i poked mpt just yesterday regarding this ... luckily all are in agreement | 03:09 |
| kwwii | mac_v: no, it is now too late to change anything before release | 09:25 |
| mac_v | kwwii: oh , i didnt mean immediately... but along with the next Software center updates we can update the icon :) | 12:04 |
| mac_v | kwwii: if you could send me your source icons , i could try it in a different shade ;) | 12:05 |
| mac_v | different shade == shade from "other" categories icon ;p | 12:14 |
| mac_v | or could be easier if you did the edit too ;) | 12:15 |
| kwwii | mac_v: give me your email address again (I lost it) and I'll send it to you | 12:18 |
| mac_v | kwwii: lol... its in the notify-osd copyright too ... | 12:19 |
| mac_v | PM> | 12:19 |
| kwwii | mac_v: can you confirm that the notify icons are still messed up? | 13:54 |
| mac_v | kwwii: yup | 13:54 |
| kwwii | still showing the green? | 13:54 |
| mac_v | kwwii: yes , they show the gpm-icons only | 13:54 |
| kwwii | ok, I am talking to one of the bosses to work this out | 13:55 |
| mac_v | awesome :) | 13:55 |
| kwwii | mac_v: just got an email from mark asking about the "packages out of date" icon in the notification are of the panel | 14:04 |
| kwwii | mac_v: it seems that there is a colorful icon still being used | 14:04 |
| kwwii | I am not sure exactly which icon he means, but he would like it fixed ;) | 14:05 |
| mac_v | kwwii: i believe it is the gtk-warning icons... he has asked earlier too , but that needs a code change , from what i understand , if mvo agrees we can fix it ;) | 14:05 |
| mac_v | kwwii: i think mat_t knows more about that | 14:06 |
| kwwii | mat_t: any info? ^---^ | 14:06 |
| kwwii | mac_v: do you know which icon is currently being shown? | 14:08 |
| kwwii | just a description would do...I do not know how to make it display on my system | 14:09 |
| mac_v | kwwii: its the dialogue-warning icon or one of its symlinks , form the status folder | 14:09 |
| kwwii | mac_v: killer, thanks | 14:09 |
| mac_v | the orange /!\ icon | 14:09 |
| kwwii | cool, do you know if mvo knows about this already? | 14:10 |
| mat_t | mac_v: yeah, we need a monochrome icon, but it should only appear in the panel (not anywhere else) | 14:10 |
| mat_t | kwwii: ^ | 14:11 |
| mac_v | mat_t: it would need a code change... tell mvo that mark wants it :p shouldnt be hard to fix it or convince mvo ;) | 14:11 |
| mat_t | I'm very busy with other stuff atm - kwwii could you ping mvo about it? | 14:13 |
| kwwii | mac_v: does he already know about it? | 14:14 |
| mac_v | kwwii: mvo just agreed to fix it in -desktop | 14:14 |
| mat_t | thx mac_v! :) | 14:15 |
| kwwii | mac_v: well, he said he knows how not that he will do it | 14:15 |
| kwwii | mac_v: let me know when the icon is done and we can put it in the theme asap | 14:20 |
| mac_v | kwwii: ah , ok.. i'll do it asap ;) /me curses the one who cannot be named ;p | 14:20 |
| kwwii | lol | 14:23 |
| kwwii | this might give us a window to get the notify-osd fixes in | 14:23 |
| mac_v | kwwii: done , the icons are in lp:humanity | 15:09 |
| kwwii | mac_v: is that the only change since yesterday? | 15:10 |
| mac_v | yup | 15:10 |
| kwwii | cool beans, thanks | 15:10 |
| kwwii | mac_v: btw, all the panel icons are 22x22 not 24 | 15:16 |
| mac_v | kwwii: just did both , :) | 15:17 |
| kwwii | mac_v: hehe, now I noticed it...sorry for lecturing | 15:17 |
| mac_v | np :) | 15:17 |
| kwwii | mac_v: what did you change in document-export.svg? | 15:32 |
| kwwii | mac_v: really bad idea to add a change without telling me ;) | 15:33 |
| mac_v | kwwii: actually i didnt.. DanRabbit had edited ,lool didnt carry forward the icon... i just synced it. | 15:33 |
| mac_v | ;) | 15:34 |
| kwwii | shit | 15:34 |
| kwwii | ok, so don't say anything about what I am about to say in ubuntu-desktop | 15:34 |
| mac_v | kwwii: just a sec | 15:34 |
| mac_v | kwwii: it was a very minor edit , you wont even notice if dont compare it with the previous version , DanRabbit just edited it to be a little better | 15:35 |
| kwwii | that is basically what I told pitti but I am not sure if he will accept that change | 15:36 |
| mac_v | kwwii: which commit was pitti mentioning? | 15:41 |
| mac_v | the export was edited only in yesterday's commit | 15:41 |
| kwwii | mac_v: yes, and I asked you if anything else had changed since we did the last release | 15:41 |
| kwwii | when I merge branches everything gets copied | 15:42 |
| mac_v | kwwii: nothing was edited after yesterday's commit | 15:42 |
| kwwii | mac_v: yes, that icon was changed | 15:42 |
| mac_v | kwwii: not possible | 15:42 |
| kwwii | dude, trust me...I didn't make this up...bzr tells me it is new | 15:43 |
| kwwii | erm, not new, but changed | 15:43 |
| mac_v | kwwii: could you point me to which commit > https://code.launchpad.net/~elementaryart/humanity/Humanity | 15:44 |
| kwwii | hrm, launchpad is down for some reason...give me a minute and I can show you | 15:47 |
| DanRabbit | ay... Look before you leap? | 15:51 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit: do you see any change i'v done? | 15:53 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit: i can see any commit to the export icon after you have edited it | 15:53 |
| mac_v | cant* | 15:53 |
| kwwii | boah, lp refuses to show me the page with the commits | 15:54 |
| kwwii | brb | 15:54 |
| mac_v | kwwii: this is in commit 13 itself > * updated to include various small changes to documents-*, synaptic actions | 15:55 |
| mac_v | kwwii: you can notice the bzr commit for the icon > http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art-pkg/humanity/release/revision/13 | 15:58 |
| mac_v | after which i havent edited anything | 15:58 |
| kwwii | well, today I branched both the release and humanity cleanly and updated the icons | 15:58 |
| kwwii | that change was noticed by bzr | 15:58 |
| kwwii | so something changed somehow sometime | 15:59 |
| kwwii | or something was missed before | 15:59 |
| kwwii | not sure | 15:59 |
| mac_v | kwwii: something is wrong with bzr then :/ http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~elementaryart/humanity/Humanity/files/head%3A/Humanity/actions/48/ shows the last edit only in rev 406 which was where i reverted the icons , that was 6 days ago :/ | 16:02 |
| kwwii | well, lp hates me apparently | 16:03 |
| kwwii | it works about 30% of the time | 16:03 |
| kwwii | it is a mimetemplate with a purple-ish arrow on it, right? | 16:04 |
| DanRabbit | either that or orange arrow, I don't remember... | 16:07 |
| DanRabbit | mac_v: I can see up to rev 412, just your changes for bugs | 16:09 |
| mac_v | kwwii: yeah , thats the one. | 16:09 |
| kwwii | well, don't worry about it...it is in the update and that is the end of it | 16:09 |
| kwwii | they might reject it, but I doubt it | 16:09 |
| kwwii | it comes with a request from mark ;) | 16:09 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit: exactly the last edit for that icon was in rev 406 | 16:09 |
| mac_v | kwwii: hehe ;) nice | 16:10 |
| DanRabbit | I don't think that it will really affect anything. The only app I've ever seen use it is Inkscape. | 16:10 |
| DanRabbit | In fact, they didn't even start using it until after I'd put it in :p | 16:10 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit: the 406 was the rev where i reverted after the wrong merge | 16:10 |
| DanRabbit | ah! | 16:10 |
| mac_v | kwwii: did you get the mail for the Software center icon? maybe we could push that as well ;p | 16:11 |
| * mac_v brb | 16:13 | |
| kwwii | mac_v: no, as with the document-export icons, this is not the time for minor changes | 16:35 |
| mac_v | ..ok ;) | 16:52 |
| MadsRH | kwwii -> Yes a quick yes/no question. Are there any changes to the system sound between Jaunty and Karmic? | 17:06 |
| mac_v | MadsRH: yes | 17:06 |
| MadsRH | i mean: Just a quick ;-) | 17:06 |
| mac_v | MadsRH: oh just a min! | 17:06 |
| kwwii | mac_v: no changes to the existing sounds, no | 17:07 |
| mac_v | MadsRH: you meant the audio sounds...! i thought the applet :/ oops sorry | 17:07 |
| kwwii | erm | 17:07 |
| kwwii | MadsRH: ^ | 17:07 |
| kwwii | MadsRH: there might be extra sounds added from some apps or such | 17:07 |
| MadsRH | kwwii, mac_v: Thanks | 17:07 |
| MadsRH | kwwii: yes, like Empathy | 17:08 |
| MadsRH | I'm working on some sound and hope to have something to "show" at UDS, but it's no easy task | 17:08 |
| mac_v | MadsRH: Bug #400485 | 17:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 400485 in ubuntu-sounds "Empathy sounds not in default ubuntu theme" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/400485 | 17:09 |
| kwwii | MadsRH: exactly :) | 17:10 |
| FLOZz | Hello all _o/ | 19:28 |
| psyke83 | hi | 21:25 |
| mac_v | psyke83: hey , you familiar with the industrial theme? | 21:27 |
| psyke83 | mac_v: not much, why? | 21:27 |
| mac_v | engine rather* | 21:27 |
| psyke83 | I never looked at it in too much detail | 21:28 |
| mac_v | psyke83: have you tried the human login theme? | 21:28 |
| psyke83 | I didn't look at the code, but it's being used on my karmic installation | 21:28 |
| psyke83 | is there a problem with it? | 21:28 |
| mac_v | psyke83: no problem , i'm just hacking it to use it as a session theme ;) | 21:29 |
| mac_v | psyke83: with the human login theme , when i adjust the gtk_color_scheme = "fg_color the border around the menus changes | 21:31 |
| mac_v | I'm using a murrine engine for the main theme and only for the menu i try to use the industrial engine | 21:32 |
| mac_v | style "industrial-menuitem" | 21:32 |
| mac_v | { | 21:32 |
| mac_v | xthickness = 3 | 21:32 |
| mac_v | ythickness = 3 | 21:32 |
| mac_v | } | 21:32 |
| mac_v | how do i set the fg color for this alone? | 21:33 |
| psyke83 | can I see the gtkrc? | 21:33 |
| mac_v | just a sec | 21:33 |
| mac_v | psyke83: http://paste.ubuntu.com/294210/ | 21:34 |
| mac_v | the gtkrc is a bit clumsy, I'v started off with dashua's hanso and some from a theme i use , and mixed a few stuff there and there ;) but just havent figured out the white borders.. :( | 21:37 |
| psyke83 | I don't see any white borders? | 21:37 |
| mac_v | psyke83: switch to the human login theme , you'll notice the 1px white outline around all menus , | 21:38 |
| psyke83 | the same white outlines as the dividers and widget outlines? | 21:39 |
| mac_v | well its not fully white as it was initially , but that changes with the gtk_color_scheme's fg_color | 21:39 |
| mac_v | psyke83: yeah , thats the one | 21:40 |
| dashua | mac_v, Try hacking on this bzr branch lp:~dashua/human-theme/humantheme | 21:40 |
| dashua | I'm trying to get the buttons to actually look like this http://launchpadlibrarian.net/33111791/gdm-selected-4.png | 21:41 |
| dashua | Industrial does not this well. I made them light, but the later mock up was dark | 21:41 |
| dashua | do* | 21:41 |
| psyke83 | mac_v: you want the "industrial-menuitem" style to use the industrial engine? | 21:43 |
| mac_v | psyke83: yup | 21:43 |
| mac_v | oh damn it! i didnt mention engine! :/ | 21:44 |
| psyke83 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/294215/ | 21:44 |
| mac_v | psyke83: silly me! i forgot to mention the engine :/ .. no wonder no option worked ;) | 21:49 |
| mac_v | lol , it works now :) | 21:50 |
| psyke83 | ;) | 21:50 |
| psyke83 | mac_v: if you're using part of the murrine theme, you may want to experiment with higher values of lightborder_shade | 21:51 |
| mac_v | dashua: is the button industrial? | 21:51 |
| psyke83 | kwwii: actually, it would be nice to increase this slightly for the default theme, it makes progressbars and sliders more distinct | 21:51 |
| mac_v | psyke83: hmm? i didnt understand | 21:51 |
| psyke83 | mac_v: it's a murrine engine option that creates an outline around widgets | 21:52 |
| psyke83 | it's helpful for dark themes | 21:52 |
| mac_v | oh | 21:52 |
| * mac_v checks | 21:52 | |
| dashua | The default HumanLogin is. I started using murrine in my branch. | 21:52 |
| zniavre2 | good evening | 21:52 |
| psyke83 | hi | 21:52 |
| dashua | zniavre, Hey mate | 21:53 |
| * zniavre2 is trying to make a new computer but it's not possible | 21:54 | |
| zniavre2 | good thing im using xfce | 21:55 |
| mac_v | psyke83: hmm , yeah, it helps for widgets like the tabs... if i set it to the main theme it has changed a lot of the other settings.. i'v *tried* to use the same by using the contrast options... so have to tweak all again ;) | 21:55 |
| psyke83 | ;) | 21:55 |
| zniavre2 | the xsplash of xfce is awesome | 21:56 |
| dashua | zniavre2, Yah, they're artwork is really nice | 21:57 |
| dashua | their* | 21:58 |
| * mac_v wonders if dashua's comment was a stab at someone ;p | 22:00 | |
| zniavre2 | some of you are designers of xfce right ? | 22:02 |
| dashua | mac_v, Not all. I am a Humanity lover as well, especially the monochrome panel. You know that ;) | 22:03 |
| * dashua sends mac_v some <3 | 22:03 | |
| mac_v | dashua: j/k | 22:03 |
| mac_v | ;) | 22:04 |
| psyke83 | kwwii: sent a mail re: the theme | 22:04 |
| dashua | I'm trying to get a light lighborder_shade on the GTKButton and it is not playing nice | 22:05 |
| dashua | dark button | 22:05 |
| psyke83 | mac_v: re: the volume applet icon, did you change it to the way I proposed some time ago? Muted icon is a dark speaker icon, with three light volume bars (bars, not dots) | 22:05 |
| psyke83 | I did an update and saw the way I proposed, but I'm not sure if that was because I modified the icon in inkscape. I did a fresh re-install and the icon changed back to the ghosted speaker with three dots | 22:06 |
| mac_v | psyke83: your idea is now used for volume=0 | 22:06 |
| mac_v | psyke83: that was due to a wrong icon update ;) | 22:06 |
| psyke83 | mac_v: hmm, that's weird... why is it back to the old way now? I'm up-to-date | 22:06 |
| psyke83 | ah, maybe I need to log out and back in, my laptop's been on for a day or so | 22:07 |
| mac_v | psyke83: Bug #444548 | 22:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 444548 in humanity-icon-theme "Not having a muted icon for the volume applet causes confusion" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/444548 | 22:07 |
| psyke83 | cool, thanks | 22:08 |
| psyke83 | I probably have the update, but need to refresh the panel | 22:08 |
| psyke83 | mac_v: what's your e-mail address? I'll forward the mail that I just sent Ken, so you can see the diff with the lightborder_shade | 22:09 |
| psyke83 | mac_v: sent ;) | 22:10 |
| mac_v | awesome.. thanks :) | 22:10 |
| psyke83 | that's for the regular theme, but you can probably imagine how it would affect a dark theme | 22:11 |
| psyke83 | it makes widgets more distinct | 22:11 |
| psyke83 | there also seems to be a white pixel at each corner of progressbars with the current Human theme, which looks a bit off to me | 22:13 |
| mac_v | ah ! /me starts cursing mpt :/ the missing icons from gnome panel keeps getting reported as humanity bug :/ | 22:13 |
| mac_v | at the same time doesnt leave out andreasn ;p | 22:13 |
| psyke83 | I can't say that I'm a fan of this particular design decision ;) | 22:15 |
| mac_v | psyke83: checkout the title of the latest humanity bug for the icon > Bug 452513 | 22:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 452513 in humanity-icon-theme "Incomplete default icon package ( Karmic ) (dup-of: 407621)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/452513 | 22:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 407621 in libgnome "(design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/407621 | 22:19 |
| mac_v | cool title "incomplete package" ;p | 22:20 |
| psyke83 | honestly though, it does seem like a bug rather than a design choice | 22:22 |
| psyke83 | I can't be bothered myself, I just set buttons_have_icons and menus_have_icons to enabled on new installs | 22:22 |
| mac_v | psyke83: me too.. i tried telling mpt the panel definitely looks like a bad bug.. | 22:23 |
| kwwii | psyke83: responded | 22:23 |
| psyke83 | kwwii: thanks ;) | 22:24 |
| kwwii | wow, I left 3 hours ago and had 30 unread emails...I come back and have 1010 | 22:24 |
| kwwii | erm | 22:24 |
| kwwii | 110 | 22:24 |
| kwwii | I am not *that* popular (yet!) ;) | 22:24 |
| psyke83 | hmm, seems a little low. I'll write a few more, don't worry | 22:24 |
| kwwii | lol | 22:24 |
| andreasn | mac_v, huh? what did I do now? | 22:30 |
| mac_v | andreasn: nothing new... /me still not happy with the icon removal... | 22:31 |
| andreasn | right | 22:31 |
| mac_v | andreasn: humanity already has 2-3 bugs regarding the missing icons ;) | 22:31 |
| mac_v | andreasn: folks seem to think its a theme issue... guess it was a bad timing for the default theme switch ;p | 22:32 |
| andreasn | I see | 22:33 |
| andreasn | well, I think it needs to be well communicated in the Karmic release notes what's going on | 22:33 |
| andreasn | one thing that I would like to continue to investigate is why Ubuntu looks more busy and noisy compared to other operating systems | 22:35 |
| mac_v | andreasn: atleast the panel needs to be corrected.. it looks very odd when only 1 part of the menu doesnt have icons. vuntz might be convinced if you or mpt mention it ;) | 22:35 |
| mac_v | andreasn: busy/noisy as in? | 22:35 |
| andreasn | not clean | 22:35 |
| andreasn | visually | 22:35 |
| andreasn | some of it is alignment | 22:35 |
| mac_v | andreasn: oh.. looking forward to your blog/analysis :) | 22:36 |
| mac_v | s/to/for | 22:36 |
| andreasn | if I can figure something out :/ | 22:38 |
| andreasn | one thing we never managed to do (with the old guidelines) was to use a icon for every menu item | 22:40 |
| andreasn | we did try for 10 years though | 22:40 |
| andreasn | and I've always wondered how the icon for "user log" looked, especially compared to system log in Pidgin looked like | 22:44 |
| mac_v | andreasn: could you comment on https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=598459 | 22:49 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 598459 in gnome-volume-control "the mute icon is used when the volume is set to 0 but not muted" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 22:49 |
| mac_v | andreasn: the volume=0 needs an icon , any suggestions | 22:49 |
| mac_v | there is a stock_volume-0 icon which is not used by volume applet | 22:49 |
| kwwii | mac_v: I think that was a (stupid) decision from the developers | 22:50 |
| kwwii | volume=0 is not mute | 22:50 |
| mac_v | kwwii: ah , you are here too , pls comment on the bgo bug :) | 22:50 |
| kwwii | un-mute-ing brings you back to the level before (or it should at least) | 22:50 |
| kwwii | mute is a funtion seperate from volume level | 22:51 |
| * mac_v agrees | 22:51 | |
| kwwii | hi andreasn, btw ;) | 22:53 |
| psyke83 | kwwii & mac_v: is it possible to have a distinction in muted? You could make it identical to unmuted, but with an X overlaid on the speaker | 22:54 |
| kwwii | psyke83: in my opinion, it would be optimal to have the muted icon really an overlay on the current sound level | 22:55 |
| kwwii | an X or whatever on the current sound level | 22:56 |
| mac_v | psyke83: like how notify-osd does it | 22:56 |
| mac_v | the mute should just be an overlay over the volume level | 22:57 |
| mac_v | but thats a different issue ;) | 22:57 |
| * mac_v just realized he repeated what kwwii just said :( needs to read back before replying | 22:58 | |
| kwwii | anyway, time for sleep | 23:00 |
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