[03:01] <mac_v> jonian_g: kwwii:  <mac_v> mpt: any reason for the software store icon being so very pale in the smaller sizes? icon looks a bit sick ;)
[03:01] <mac_v>  * mpt bangs head on desk
[03:01] <mac_v>   <mac_v> \o/
[03:01] <mac_v>  <mpt> mac_v, it was so the outlines would look sharper, so that it would look more obviously like a bag
[03:01] <mac_v>  <mac_v> mpt: but still the present color is a bit weird .... check the color of the "other" icon.. in the departments... that could be used...anyways just mentioning ...
[03:01] <mac_v>  <mpt> mac_v, true, but too late for that now
[03:03] <mac_v> kwwii: mpt said it was too late... is there anyway we could fix this? the icon really looks too pale ;)
[03:09] <mac_v> kwwii: hehe.. i poked mpt just yesterday regarding this ... luckily all are in agreement
[09:25] <kwwii> mac_v: no, it is now too late to change anything before release
[12:04] <mac_v> kwwii: oh , i didnt mean immediately... but along with the next Software center updates we can update the icon :)
[12:05] <mac_v> kwwii: if you could send me your source icons , i could try it in a different shade ;)
[12:14] <mac_v> different shade == shade from "other" categories icon ;p
[12:15] <mac_v> or could be easier if you did the edit too ;)
[12:18] <kwwii> mac_v: give me your email address again (I lost it) and I'll send it to you
[12:19] <mac_v> kwwii: lol... its in the notify-osd copyright too ...
[12:19] <mac_v> PM>
[13:54] <kwwii> mac_v: can you confirm that the notify icons are still messed up?
[13:54] <mac_v> kwwii: yup
[13:54] <kwwii> still showing the green?
[13:54] <mac_v> kwwii: yes , they show the gpm-icons only
[13:55] <kwwii> ok, I am talking to one of the bosses to work this out
[13:55] <mac_v> awesome :)
[14:04] <kwwii> mac_v: just got an email from mark asking about the "packages out of date" icon in the notification are of the panel
[14:04] <kwwii> mac_v: it seems that there is a colorful icon still being used
[14:05] <kwwii> I am not sure exactly which icon he means, but he would like it fixed ;)
[14:05] <mac_v> kwwii: i believe it is the gtk-warning icons... he has asked earlier too , but that needs a code change , from what i understand , if mvo agrees we can fix it ;)
[14:06] <mac_v> kwwii: i think mat_t knows more about that
[14:06] <kwwii> mat_t: any info? ^---^
[14:08] <kwwii> mac_v: do you know which icon is currently being shown?
[14:09] <kwwii> just a description would do...I do not know how to make it display on my system
[14:09] <mac_v> kwwii: its the dialogue-warning icon or one of its symlinks  , form the status folder
[14:09] <kwwii> mac_v: killer, thanks
[14:09] <mac_v> the orange /!\ icon
[14:10] <kwwii> cool, do you know if mvo knows about this already?
[14:10] <mat_t> mac_v: yeah, we need a monochrome icon, but it should only appear in the panel (not anywhere else)
[14:11] <mat_t> kwwii: ^
[14:11] <mac_v> mat_t: it would need a code change... tell mvo that mark wants it :p  shouldnt be hard to fix it or convince mvo ;)
[14:13] <mat_t> I'm very busy with other stuff atm - kwwii could you ping mvo about it?
[14:14] <kwwii> mac_v: does he already know about it?
[14:14] <mac_v> kwwii: mvo just agreed to fix it in -desktop
[14:15] <mat_t> thx mac_v! :)
[14:15] <kwwii> mac_v: well, he said he knows how not that he will do it
[14:20] <kwwii> mac_v: let me know when the icon is done and we can put it in the theme asap
[14:20] <mac_v> kwwii: ah , ok.. i'll do it asap ;)   /me curses the one who cannot be named ;p
[14:23] <kwwii> lol
[14:23] <kwwii> this might give us a window to get the notify-osd fixes in
[15:09] <mac_v> kwwii: done , the icons are in lp:humanity
[15:10] <kwwii> mac_v: is that the only change since yesterday?
[15:10] <mac_v> yup
[15:10] <kwwii> cool beans, thanks
[15:16] <kwwii> mac_v: btw, all the panel icons are 22x22 not 24
[15:17] <mac_v> kwwii: just did both , :)
[15:17] <kwwii> mac_v: hehe, now I noticed it...sorry for lecturing
[15:17] <mac_v> np :)
[15:32] <kwwii> mac_v: what did you change in document-export.svg?
[15:33] <kwwii> mac_v: really bad idea to add a change without telling me ;)
[15:33] <mac_v> kwwii: actually i didnt.. DanRabbit had edited ,lool didnt carry forward the icon...  i just synced it.
[15:34] <mac_v> ;)
[15:34] <kwwii> shit
[15:34] <kwwii> ok, so don't say anything about what I am about to say in ubuntu-desktop
[15:34] <mac_v> kwwii: just a sec
[15:35] <mac_v> kwwii: it was a very minor edit , you wont even notice if dont compare it with the previous version , DanRabbit just edited it to be a little better
[15:36] <kwwii> that is basically what I told pitti but I am not sure if he will accept that change
[15:41] <mac_v> kwwii: which commit was pitti mentioning?
[15:41] <mac_v> the export was edited only in yesterday's  commit
[15:41] <kwwii> mac_v: yes, and I asked you if anything else had changed since we did the last release
[15:42] <kwwii> when I merge branches everything gets copied
[15:42] <mac_v> kwwii: nothing was edited after yesterday's commit
[15:42] <kwwii> mac_v: yes, that icon was changed
[15:42] <mac_v> kwwii: not possible
[15:43] <kwwii> dude, trust me...I didn't make this up...bzr tells me it is new
[15:43] <kwwii> erm, not new, but changed
[15:44] <mac_v> kwwii: could you point me to which commit > https://code.launchpad.net/~elementaryart/humanity/Humanity
[15:47] <kwwii> hrm, launchpad is down for some reason...give me a minute and I can show you
[15:51] <DanRabbit> ay... Look before you leap?
[15:53] <mac_v> DanRabbit: do you see any change i'v done?
[15:53] <mac_v> DanRabbit: i can see any commit to the export icon after you have edited it
[15:53] <mac_v> cant*
[15:54] <kwwii> boah, lp refuses to show me the page with the commits
[15:54] <kwwii> brb
[15:55] <mac_v> kwwii: this is in commit 13 itself > * updated to include various small changes to documents-*, synaptic actions
[15:58] <mac_v> kwwii: you can notice the bzr commit for the icon > http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art-pkg/humanity/release/revision/13
[15:58] <mac_v> after which i havent edited anything
[15:58] <kwwii> well, today I branched both the release and humanity cleanly and updated the icons
[15:58] <kwwii> that change was noticed by bzr
[15:59] <kwwii> so something changed somehow sometime
[15:59] <kwwii> or something was missed before
[15:59] <kwwii> not sure
[16:02] <mac_v> kwwii: something is wrong with bzr then :/ http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~elementaryart/humanity/Humanity/files/head%3A/Humanity/actions/48/ shows the last edit only in rev 406 which was where i reverted the icons  , that was 6 days ago :/
[16:03] <kwwii> well, lp hates me apparently
[16:03] <kwwii> it works about 30% of the time
[16:04] <kwwii> it is a mimetemplate with a purple-ish arrow on it, right?
[16:07] <DanRabbit> either that or orange arrow, I don't remember...
[16:09] <DanRabbit> mac_v: I can see up to rev 412, just your changes for bugs
[16:09] <mac_v> kwwii: yeah , thats the one.
[16:09] <kwwii> well, don't worry about it...it is in the update and that is the end of it
[16:09] <kwwii> they might reject it, but I doubt it
[16:09] <kwwii> it comes with a request from mark ;)
[16:09] <mac_v> DanRabbit: exactly the last edit for that icon was in rev 406
[16:10] <mac_v> kwwii: hehe ;) nice
[16:10] <DanRabbit> I don't think that it will really affect anything. The only app I've ever seen use it is Inkscape.
[16:10] <DanRabbit> In fact, they didn't even start using it until after I'd put it in :p
[16:10] <mac_v> DanRabbit: the 406 was the rev where i reverted after the wrong merge
[16:10] <DanRabbit> ah!
[16:11] <mac_v> kwwii: did you get the mail for the Software center icon? maybe we could push that as well ;p
[16:13]  * mac_v brb
[16:35] <kwwii> mac_v: no, as with the document-export icons, this is not the time for minor changes
[16:52] <mac_v>  ..ok  ;)
[17:06] <MadsRH> kwwii -> Yes a quick yes/no question. Are there any changes to the system sound between Jaunty and Karmic?
[17:06] <mac_v> MadsRH: yes
[17:06] <MadsRH> i mean: Just a quick ;-)
[17:06] <mac_v> MadsRH: oh just a min!
[17:07] <kwwii> mac_v: no changes to the existing sounds, no
[17:07] <mac_v> MadsRH: you meant the audio sounds...! i thought the applet :/ oops sorry
[17:07] <kwwii> erm
[17:07] <kwwii> MadsRH: ^
[17:07] <kwwii> MadsRH: there might be extra sounds added from some apps or such
[17:07] <MadsRH> kwwii, mac_v: Thanks
[17:08] <MadsRH> kwwii: yes, like Empathy
[17:08] <MadsRH> I'm working on some sound and hope to have something to "show" at UDS, but it's no easy task
[17:08] <mac_v> MadsRH: Bug #400485
[17:09] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 400485 in ubuntu-sounds "Empathy sounds not in default ubuntu theme" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/400485
[17:10] <kwwii> MadsRH: exactly :)
[19:28] <FLOZz> Hello all  _o/
[21:25] <psyke83> hi
[21:27] <mac_v> psyke83: hey , you familiar with the industrial theme?
[21:27] <psyke83> mac_v: not much, why?
[21:27] <mac_v> engine rather*
[21:28] <psyke83> I never looked at it in too much detail
[21:28] <mac_v> psyke83: have you tried the human login theme?
[21:28] <psyke83> I didn't look at the code, but it's being used on my karmic installation
[21:28] <psyke83> is there a problem with it?
[21:29] <mac_v> psyke83: no problem , i'm just hacking it to use it as a session theme ;)
[21:31] <mac_v> psyke83: with the human login theme , when i adjust the gtk_color_scheme = "fg_color  the border around the menus changes
[21:32] <mac_v> I'm using a murrine engine for the main theme and only for the menu i try to use the industrial engine
[21:32] <mac_v> style "industrial-menuitem"
[21:32] <mac_v> {
[21:32] <mac_v>   xthickness = 3
[21:32] <mac_v>   ythickness = 3
[21:32] <mac_v> }
[21:33] <mac_v> how do i set the fg color for this alone?
[21:33] <psyke83> can I see the gtkrc?
[21:33] <mac_v> just a sec
[21:34] <mac_v> psyke83: http://paste.ubuntu.com/294210/
[21:37] <mac_v> the gtkrc is a bit clumsy, I'v started off with dashua's hanso and some from a theme i use , and mixed a few stuff there and there ;) but just havent figured out the white borders.. :(
[21:37] <psyke83> I don't see any white borders?
[21:38] <mac_v> psyke83: switch to the human login theme , you'll notice the 1px white outline around all menus ,
[21:39] <psyke83> the same white outlines as the dividers and widget outlines?
[21:39] <mac_v> well its not fully white as it was initially , but  that changes with the gtk_color_scheme's fg_color
[21:40] <mac_v> psyke83: yeah , thats the one
[21:40] <dashua> mac_v, Try hacking on this bzr branch lp:~dashua/human-theme/humantheme
[21:41] <dashua> I'm trying to get the buttons to actually look like this http://launchpadlibrarian.net/33111791/gdm-selected-4.png
[21:41] <dashua> Industrial does not this well.  I made them light, but the later mock up was dark
[21:41] <dashua> do*
[21:43] <psyke83> mac_v: you want the "industrial-menuitem" style to use the industrial engine?
[21:43] <mac_v> psyke83: yup
[21:44] <mac_v> oh damn it! i didnt mention engine! :/
[21:44] <psyke83> http://paste.ubuntu.com/294215/
[21:49] <mac_v> psyke83: silly me! i forgot to mention the engine :/  .. no wonder no option worked ;)
[21:50] <mac_v> lol , it works now :)
[21:50] <psyke83> ;)
[21:51] <psyke83> mac_v: if you're using part of the murrine theme, you may want to experiment with higher values of lightborder_shade
[21:51] <mac_v> dashua: is the button industrial?
[21:51] <psyke83> kwwii: actually, it would be nice to increase this slightly for the default theme, it makes progressbars and sliders more distinct
[21:51] <mac_v> psyke83: hmm? i didnt understand
[21:52] <psyke83> mac_v: it's a murrine engine option that creates an outline around widgets
[21:52] <psyke83> it's helpful for dark themes
[21:52] <mac_v> oh
[21:52]  * mac_v checks
[21:52] <dashua> The default HumanLogin is.  I started using murrine in my branch.
[21:52] <zniavre2> good evening
[21:52] <psyke83> hi
[21:53] <dashua> zniavre, Hey mate
[21:54]  * zniavre2 is trying to make a new computer but it's not possible
[21:55] <zniavre2> good thing im using xfce
[21:55] <mac_v> psyke83: hmm , yeah, it helps for widgets like the tabs... if i set it to the main theme it has changed a lot of the other settings.. i'v *tried* to use the same by using the contrast options... so have to tweak all again ;)
[21:55] <psyke83> ;)
[21:56] <zniavre2> the xsplash of xfce is awesome
[21:57] <dashua> zniavre2, Yah, they're artwork is really nice
[21:58] <dashua> their*
[22:00]  * mac_v wonders if dashua's comment was a stab at someone ;p
[22:02] <zniavre2> some of you are designers of xfce right ?
[22:03] <dashua> mac_v, Not all.  I am a Humanity lover as well, especially the monochrome panel.  You know that ;)
[22:03]  * dashua sends mac_v some <3
[22:03] <mac_v> dashua: j/k
[22:04] <mac_v> ;)
[22:04] <psyke83> kwwii: sent a mail re: the theme
[22:05] <dashua> I'm trying to get a light lighborder_shade on the GTKButton and it is not playing nice
[22:05] <dashua> dark button
[22:05] <psyke83> mac_v: re: the volume applet icon, did you change it to the way I proposed some time ago? Muted icon is a dark speaker icon, with three light volume bars (bars, not dots)
[22:06] <psyke83> I did an update and saw the way I proposed, but I'm not sure if that was because I modified the icon in inkscape. I did a fresh re-install and the icon changed back to the ghosted speaker with three dots
[22:06] <mac_v> psyke83: your idea is now used for volume=0
[22:06] <mac_v> psyke83: that was due to a wrong icon update ;)
[22:06] <psyke83> mac_v: hmm, that's weird... why is it back to the old way now? I'm up-to-date
[22:07] <psyke83> ah, maybe I need to log out and back in, my laptop's been on for a day or so
[22:07] <mac_v> psyke83: Bug #444548
[22:07] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 444548 in humanity-icon-theme "Not having a muted icon for the volume applet causes confusion" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/444548
[22:08] <psyke83> cool, thanks
[22:08] <psyke83> I probably have the update, but need to refresh the panel
[22:09] <psyke83> mac_v: what's your e-mail address? I'll forward the mail that I just sent Ken, so you can see the diff with the lightborder_shade
[22:10] <psyke83> mac_v: sent ;)
[22:10] <mac_v> awesome.. thanks :)
[22:11] <psyke83> that's for the regular theme, but you can probably imagine how it would affect a dark theme
[22:11] <psyke83> it makes widgets more distinct
[22:13] <psyke83> there also seems to be a white pixel at each corner of progressbars with the current Human theme, which looks a bit off to me
[22:13] <mac_v> ah ! /me starts cursing mpt :/   the missing icons from gnome panel keeps getting reported as humanity bug :/
[22:13] <mac_v> at the same time doesnt leave out andreasn ;p
[22:15] <psyke83> I can't say that I'm a fan of this particular design decision ;)
[22:19] <mac_v> psyke83: checkout the title of the latest humanity bug for the icon > Bug 452513
[22:19] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 452513 in humanity-icon-theme "Incomplete default icon package ( Karmic ) (dup-of: 407621)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/452513
[22:19] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 407621 in libgnome "(design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/407621
[22:20] <mac_v> cool title "incomplete package"  ;p
[22:22] <psyke83> honestly though, it does seem like a bug rather than a design choice
[22:22] <psyke83> I can't be bothered myself, I just set buttons_have_icons and menus_have_icons to enabled on new installs
[22:23] <mac_v> psyke83: me too.. i tried telling mpt the panel definitely looks like a bad bug..
[22:23] <kwwii> psyke83: responded
[22:24] <psyke83> kwwii: thanks ;)
[22:24] <kwwii> wow, I left 3 hours ago and had 30 unread emails...I come back and have 1010
[22:24] <kwwii> erm
[22:24] <kwwii> 110
[22:24] <kwwii> I am not *that* popular (yet!) ;)
[22:24] <psyke83> hmm, seems a little low. I'll write a few more, don't worry
[22:24] <kwwii> lol
[22:30] <andreasn> mac_v, huh? what did I do now?
[22:31] <mac_v> andreasn: nothing new... /me still not happy with the icon removal...
[22:31] <andreasn> right
[22:31] <mac_v> andreasn: humanity already has 2-3 bugs regarding the missing icons ;)
[22:32] <mac_v> andreasn: folks seem to think its a theme issue... guess it was a bad timing for the default theme switch ;p
[22:33] <andreasn> I see
[22:33] <andreasn> well, I think it needs to be well communicated in the Karmic release notes what's going on
[22:35] <andreasn> one thing that I would like to continue to investigate is why Ubuntu looks more busy and noisy compared to other operating systems
[22:35] <mac_v> andreasn: atleast the panel needs to be corrected.. it looks very odd when only 1 part of the menu doesnt have icons. vuntz might be convinced if you or mpt mention it ;)
[22:35] <mac_v> andreasn: busy/noisy as in?
[22:35] <andreasn> not clean
[22:35] <andreasn> visually
[22:35] <andreasn> some of it is alignment
[22:36] <mac_v> andreasn: oh.. looking forward to your blog/analysis :)
[22:36] <mac_v> s/to/for
[22:38] <andreasn> if I can figure something out :/
[22:40] <andreasn> one thing we never managed to do (with the old guidelines) was to use a icon for every menu item
[22:40] <andreasn> we did try for 10 years though
[22:44] <andreasn> and I've always wondered how the icon for "user log" looked, especially compared to system log in Pidgin looked like
[22:49] <mac_v> andreasn: could you comment on https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=598459
[22:49] <ubottu> Gnome bug 598459 in gnome-volume-control "the mute icon is used when the volume is set to 0 but not muted" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[22:49] <mac_v> andreasn: the volume=0 needs an icon , any suggestions
[22:49] <mac_v> there is a stock_volume-0 icon which is not used by volume applet
[22:50] <kwwii> mac_v: I think that was a (stupid) decision from the developers
[22:50] <kwwii> volume=0 is not mute
[22:50] <mac_v> kwwii: ah , you are here too , pls comment on the bgo bug :)
[22:50] <kwwii> un-mute-ing brings you back to the level before (or it should at least)
[22:51] <kwwii> mute is a funtion seperate from volume level
[22:51]  * mac_v agrees
[22:53] <kwwii> hi andreasn, btw ;)
[22:54] <psyke83> kwwii & mac_v: is it possible to have a distinction in muted? You could make it identical to unmuted, but with an X overlaid on the speaker
[22:55] <kwwii> psyke83: in my opinion, it would be optimal to have the muted icon really an overlay on the current sound level
[22:56] <kwwii> an X or whatever on the current sound level
[22:56] <mac_v> psyke83: like how notify-osd does it
[22:57] <mac_v> the mute should just be an overlay over the volume level
[22:57] <mac_v> but thats a different issue ;)
[22:58]  * mac_v just realized he repeated what kwwii just said :(  needs to read back before replying
[23:00] <kwwii> anyway, time for sleep