=== freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying [01:11] Errr... Is OO.o calc supposed to freeze when someone tries to save for the first time? [01:18] * ryanakca tries to figure out how to get a backtrace === norly is now known as ejat [02:12] Riddell: bug 451915, looks a bit serious [02:12] Launchpad bug 451915 in kdeutils "dssprinter-applet.py crashed with SIGSEGV in PyDict_GetItem()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/451915 === echidnaman is now known as JontheEchidna [02:12] * JontheEchidna 's internet is crappy tonight [02:42] ryanakca: yes... its a feature (seriously...no...sounds like a bug) [03:03] anyone read this? http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=1032 [03:03] thoughts? [03:03] mindless rants? [03:07] "Version 9.10 is definitely good so far, but still far from perfect." <- so not much of a downward spiral, then :/ [03:07] downward spiral? a little bit, but you gotta fall a bit to get momentum for the ramp : ) [03:09] some points are good, but a lot of it is: "I don't like KDE's default artwork which nobody else uses plus my wireless has been busted for two releases" [03:11] comments are much more informative than the actual article imo [03:13] some people screaming too much patching, others screaming too vanilla... [03:13] * yuriy does agree on the wallpaper and (unmentioned) KDM theme though [03:13] The upstream KDM theme could be improved usability-wise [03:14] maybe that too, but I think we've got to get a Kubuntu logo on there [03:14] with the proper branding maybe upstream art would be sufficient [03:14] pretty much [03:14] we can never please the haters, but who cares? [03:22] vorian: ping [03:29] I think the little things make a big impression (thus the papercut stuff we have) [04:21] kamoso 1.0.4 is still broken :( [04:31] " the instructions for filing bugs on Launchpad ignored Kubuntu altogether, I had to add a link to the Kubuntu instructions myself." interesting. I though bdmurray had done that on my request [04:39] ooh purty http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/KubuntuVision?content=113319 though too dark for my tastes. maybe he could make a more mainstream version [05:53] Anyone else having trouble with lid open events not being recognized? [08:54] I have a kernel panic with the message: fixing recursive fault but reboot needed"... I think it is nepomuk related... can I find the root course of this problem? [10:42] jtechidna: hmm, python really shouldn't give a segfault (bug 451915) I wonder if he hasn't updated all the new sip/pyqt bits [10:42] Launchpad bug 451915 in kdeutils "dssprinter-applet.py crashed with SIGSEGV in PyDict_GetItem()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/451915 [10:42] I'll try today's CD and see if it's a problem there [10:59] Silly question perhaps, but in 9.10 is it possible to have network manager NOT login to the wifi automatically when connected via cable ? It keeps messing up my routing [11:02] in my experience it doesn't login to wifi automatically [11:03] but that's mainly an upstream request [11:04] hmm ok [11:34] shtylman: Can you reproduce it? I can't seem to manage to find out how to get a backtrace for something that hangs but doesn't crash... Or would I not need one? [11:43] where do kded services log to? ~/.xsession-errors? === agateau is now known as agateau|lunch [12:02] debfx: if you killall kded4; kded4 it'll put debug output in the terminal [12:02] debfx: and you have to turn it on in kdebugdialog first [12:11] Riddell: thanks for the update on the bug :) [12:14] is ipv6 enabled in Kubuntu 9.10? === agateau|lunch is now known as agateau [13:20] EagleScreen: it's enabled in the kernel, and so available to everything IPv6 aware, including KDE [13:21] oh thnaks [13:27] agateau: Thanks for the quassel patch. Worked great and Sput applied it before 0.5 was released. [13:28] ScottK: good news [13:28] agateau: I did miss your other patch though and couldn't get it into 0.5.0 :/ [13:28] agateau: Yes. [13:28] Sput: Which one was that? [13:28] Sput: the one about toggling the main window? [13:28] yeha via indicator [13:28] the one you sent by mail... I didn't check mail before tagging [13:28] It may not need to be applied [13:29] well, I did apply it post-tag :) [13:29] I realized this morning that it would make kde apps behave differently than gnome apps with regard to indicators [13:30] I started a discussion on this on kubuntu-devel ML, [13:30] if everybody agree, I'll post patch to switch back to "switch to app" behavior, rather than "toggle" [13:31] I guess I better go read the mail, because I'm not sure I understand the difference. [13:31] Sput: I'll let you know if we agree on the "switch to app" behavior [13:31] ScottK: yes please :) [13:31] ScottK: but the difference is simple: when the app is in front, [13:31] right now clicking the indicator app entry hides it, [13:32] Ah, I see. [13:32] while for gnome apps, it just ensure the app window is focused [13:32] agateau: ok, just so you know, your patch is applied but not in 0.5.0, but it'll be in 0.5.1 unless you send another patch disabling it (or tell me to revert) :) [13:32] Sput: ok, will do so if the "switch to app" behavior is decided to be the right noe [13:32] *one [13:32] agateau: If I click on the quassel icon when I have a pending highlight, it swtiches me to the right channel. [13:32] Is that what your patch does? [13:33] ScottK: if quassel was already visible, clicking on the quassel entry (not a channel entry) currently hides quassel, [13:33] agateau: Not if there's a pending highlight. [13:33] that only affects the indicator bubble though, doesn't it? [13:33] Just did it. [13:33] I mean, the patch in question [13:34] Sput: yes, [13:34] it didn't touch anything outside the inidicator backend [13:34] Sput: absolutely [13:34] the tray behavior just now should be consistent with the rest of KDE [13:34] Sput: yes, the tray behavior is not affected [13:34] k [13:34] thought so :) [13:34] If I understand what the patch does, it sounds like it makes the indicator consistent with the way the app works. [13:36] The question is: do we think app windows should hide when they are in front and their app entry is clicked? [13:36] ScottK: hiding when in front is the way systray icon works [13:36] ScottK: not hiding when in front is the way gnome indicate-enabled app work [13:37] ScottK: understand that I am talking about app entry, not indicator entry [13:37] (app entry == appname, indicator entry == child of app entry) [13:38] Yes. [13:38] Ping me please. [13:38] ScottK: ping [13:39] Right, so I was in a different channel, clicked on the Quassel icon and I came straight here. [13:39] ScottK: if you have the 0.5.0 release, you get GNOME behavior [13:40] the "hide when on front behavior" is implemented by the patch I sent to Sput, but which did not make it in 0.5.0 [13:40] so for Quassel it's already ok [13:40] but Konversation, Kopete and KMail patches need to be updated [13:41] because they implement "hide when on front" behavior [13:41] agateau: I see. [13:41] what is the "app entry"? [13:41] So it sounds like your patch makes the indicator consistent with the upstream icon behavior. [13:41] * ScottK needs to run. [13:42] We can chat more later [13:42] ScottK: ok [13:42] Sput: for each application, the indicator shows an app entry [13:42] and every app indicators are shown as children entries of the app entry [13:43] so Quassel part of the indicator menu may look like this: [13:43] Quassel [13:43] - #chan1 [13:43] - #chan2 [13:43] Clicking #chan1 or #chan2 brings Quassel window to front and switch to the right channel [13:44] in 0.5.0, clicking Quassel brings Quassel window to front [13:44] but with the patch you integrated after 0.5.0, clicking Quassel will toggle the window: [13:44] hide it if it's already on front, show it otherwise [13:49] ok [13:49] so it behaves like the taskbar then [14:25] morning [14:46] intersting on my VM's for Karmic (both netbook edition and regular) after installing the beta release and updating, i see the kubuntu boot screen and then it flickers to a black screen any ideas what channged? [14:48] running VMWare Workstation 6.5.3 [14:49] It seems that ubuntu makes usplash kick in until it can start X for usplash/ksplashx [14:50] *xsplash/ksplashx [14:50] in which case the half-a-second ksplashx seems unecessary [14:51] jtechidna was that in response to me? [14:51] yeah, I get that too [14:52] maco: send me a private message when you get a second [14:52] after an install of the beta version i'm able to login, etc but once i update and restart... bam black screen, no login [15:43] dpm: did desktop-kdepim-runtime get sorted? [15:44] Riddell, not yet, sorry, let me ask danilo again what the best way to handle this is [15:48] ArneGoetje: last cycle you had a list of translation templates that weren't assigned to packages, do you know if there are any like that is cycle? [15:50] Riddell: let me see... [15:53] Riddell: don't have any list right now. we will get a new translation export soon (should be available tomorrow. I will scan the langpack-o-matic logs for such templates then. [15:55] Riddell: could you ack bug 452715 please? [15:55] Launchpad bug 452715 in kamoso "New upstream release (kamoso 1.0.4)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/452715 [15:55] JontheEchidna: ooh, what's it worth? [15:56] a shoulder massage wouldbe nice, I could be bribed with one of them [15:56] 3.5 internets? :P [15:56] it does get harder to upload stuff after freeze, lol [15:56] * jjesse looks up a local messager in edinburgh for Riddell [15:57] JontheEchidna: a debdiff and pointer to upstream bug would be handy [15:57] Riddell: upstream has no bug tracker, but I can get the debdiff [15:57] debdiff attached [15:58] oh, that's actually a source-diff, not a debdiff [15:58] JontheEchidna: although this is universe so it shouldn't need any ack [15:58] universe is only in feature freeze, bug fixing is all good [15:59] oh, the freeze email said that universe should get motu-release or your ack [16:00] well, your ack for KDE packages [16:00] JontheEchidna: which e-mail? scotts? [16:00] Riddell: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-October/000633.html [16:01] sistpoty's does suggest an ack is needed for all uplaods but I trust ScottK more in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-October/000634.html that only FFe needs an ack [16:03] kk [16:05] anyone can tell me why I leave kubuntu-bugs team, but still got bug notifications? I just prefer to use gmane to read bug mails [16:06] s/leave/left [16:06] subscriptions are separate from team affiliations [16:07] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs [16:35] JontheEchidna and Riddell: Does the mail to u-d-a clear this up? [16:35] After Universe final freeze, a motu-release ack will be needed, but we aren't there yet. [16:35] I'm clear, it's just sistpoty's older e-mail which was wrong/unclear [16:36] OK. [16:40] new kopete-facebook http://duncan.mac-vicar.com/blog/archives/597 [16:40] wish that had come out a week ago [16:41] It sounds though like it still has enough open questions that we did the right thing. [16:44] yes I think so [17:00] is this a known bug: the alternative installer stops after "installing base system" and requests to insert medium "Kubuntu 9.10 _Karmic Koala_ - Beta i386 (20090929.3)" into /cdrom/ - which sould be there... but refuses to continue [17:00] davmor2: ^^^ ? [17:01] is this checked against README.diskdefines on the root of the cdrom... because this states: #define DISKNAME Kubuntu 9.10 "Karmic Koala" - Beta i386 [17:01] dany_21a: man that's old [17:01] uh? [17:02] is it fixable for me? [17:02] I think it was a general issue that got resolved in latter iso's. [17:02] hm... ive downloaded the most recent beta torrent (i hope so) [17:03] oh hang on on beta there were no issues with the iso's sorry [17:03] dany_21a: have you run the cd checker to makes sure the burn is good? [17:04] checking the md5... md5 of the iso is correct [17:04] will check the medium [17:06] final freeze in effect, does that mean that i can install a daily CD now and i have +- the final version? [17:06] not really, it's not final until it's final [17:10] davmor2: checker said CD is okay [17:48] meh pass then I'm afraid. No issues here with beta at all. [17:52] Riddell: Qt 4.5.3 fixed in -4 [18:01] It looks like we need a newer python-qt3 to go with the new sip. [18:56] fabo: what needed changing? [18:58] lp bug 449862 [18:58] Launchpad bug 449862 in kdepim "empty menus in ktimetracker" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/449862 [18:58] Riddell: add patch 08 [18:58] Riddell: ^^ fixed in bzr [19:00] Riddell: http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-kde/qt4-x11.git;a=commitdiff;h=2f8c91155f7061185c5bd01c53f41695d54d8778 [19:01] fabo: have I ever said you're a genius? [19:01] so, question is do we want to risk uploading it now [19:02] Riddell: you risk nothing. it's already built on kfreebsd ;) [19:02] ScottK: what's wrong with python-qt3? [19:03] I need to stop running hardy, it's difficult to do much useful from here, time to burn a daily CD [19:04] I'll probably upload Qt 4.6.0 beta 1 to experimental today [19:21] Riddell: I saw a bug about it, but it may be from before it was updated. Let me ifnd it. [19:35] so i went to download the current live cd from cdimages and it was screamin' at 300k/sec up until the last 100mb of the cd now i'm at 3Kb/sec, any thoughts? [19:36] Patience [19:38] ha [19:41] Wasn't actually kidding [19:41] i know just was curious why it dropped so slow [19:42] #canonical-sysadmin if you want to talk to someone that might actually know. The odds of gettting an answer are low. === m4v_ is now known as m4v [20:12] * JontheEchidna is responsible for 12% of the current archive admin queue \o/ [20:21] is it possible to setup a LVM system via the graphical installer (kubuntu karmic) - the alternate version fails for me [20:23] i have already managed to reuse my old lvm-schema and activate the lvm disks, so that the installer completes... but when i start the fresh installed system, it fails to boot and says it cant find my lvm partitions [20:24] the initram disk need lvm support... i tried to chroot into the new system and install lvm2 (via apt-get) - which runs update-initramfs and completes without failure... but on reboot it fails again and drops me to an shell [20:24] (chroot from an live boot cd-rom) [20:31] ah... nevermind - i forgot to mount /boot into my chroot... - it boots now [20:53] Riddell: Caching the brightness value in order to make the fn keys working isn't easily possible, as changing the brightness isn't handled by powerdevil but by libsolid === flacoste_afk is now known as flacoste [20:55] Riddell: either libsolid has to notify powerdevil or all setBrightness calls have to go through powerdevil [20:56] debfx: I suspect they all do go through powerdevil, although that's not a sensible assumption [20:56] Riddell: no, currently powerdevil doesn't have such a function [20:57] sounds like a patch to libsolid is needed though [20:58] Riddell: Since wednesday I've had a problem where my laptop lid open's are not recognized by KDE, resume from suspend works, so I know it isn't hardware. pitti has the same laptop and his works. Suggestions on where I should look? [20:58] I could add a dbus method to powerdevil and make libsolid call it on every brightness change [20:59] debfx: What is it you are trying to fix? [20:59] ScottK: making the fn brightness keys work if they aren't handled by the hardware [21:00] I see, so since mine work now, it's done in hardware? [21:00] ScottK: karmic-changes for wednesday? we've had changes to kdebase-workspace which works in that area [21:00] Riddell: OK. Which binary is powerdevil in? [21:01] I already tried downgrading the kernel and acpi-support with no help [21:01] ScottK: probably, if you don't have another power manager installed [21:01] I don't [21:04] Sime: ping ping [21:04] Riddell: pong pong [21:04] Sime: we what a crash in sip that appeared in 4.9, would you have any thoughts on bug 451915 ? [21:04] Launchpad bug 451915 in kdeutils "dssprinter-applet.py crashed with SIGSEGV in PyDict_GetItem()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/451915 [21:04] s/what/have/ [21:06] am I the only one whose fn keys aren't handley on the hardware side? :( [21:07] Riddell: are you sure your test core generates the same error? [21:08] Sime: pretty sure yes === m4v_ is now known as m4v [21:13] Riddell: it doesn't crash on jaunty [21:14] Sime: no it's an issue with the sip 4.9/pyqt 4.6 update [21:14] Riddell: I've got a hand compiled sip 4.9 / pyqt 4.6, and doesn't crash. [21:15] fooey [21:17] yep, just checked the version numbers in the modules. it sip 4.9 and 4.6. [21:18] dvd time with wife... [21:18] thanks i'll keep player [21:18] playing [21:20] I might be using a week old snapshot BTW. dunno exactly.. [21:21] well it could be something in our packaging bringing out the bug [21:25] I have no crash if I run "python sip-segfault.py" [21:26] lex79: what about printer-applet? [21:26] how to test? [21:26] lex79: run "printer-applet" [21:29] weird, I don't see anything..the applet doesn' appear and I haven't crash [21:29] that means it's running in the background [21:29] which it will until you print something [21:30] lex79: what version of python-qt4 do you have? [21:30] 4.6-1 [21:30] That's no help [21:30] Oh, wait, nevermnd [21:31] lex79: and python-sip4 ? [21:31] so what do you think of a notifyOfBrightnessChange() dbus method in powerdevil that would called by solid? [21:31] Riddell: 4.9-1 [21:32] debfx: that makes sense to me [21:32] now I launched a print and TWO printer applet appears in systray [21:32] and print works [21:34] lex79: well that's annoying, the least the bug could do is have the decency to crash for everyone [21:35] lex79: did you say our qt4 bzr packaging has fabo's fix in it? [21:36] this fabo's patch fix qt4 http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-kde/qt4-x11.git;a=commit;h=2f8c91155f7061185c5bd01c53f41695d54d8778 [21:36] I can push in bzr if you want [21:37] lex79: oh it was bug 449862 that was fixed in bzr ? [21:37] Launchpad bug 449862 in kdepim "empty menus in ktimetracker" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/449862 [21:37] Riddell: yes [21:37] the conversations got confused [21:38] I uploaded in bzr the fix for ktimetracker [21:38] lex79: I'll upload the ktimetracker fix if you push fabo's patch to bzr then :) [21:38] Riddell: ok [21:40] btw, in my system there isn't crash with printer-applet, and the printer print...but printer-applet doesn't appear in systray [21:40] that is all [21:41] lex79: you just said "TWO printer applet appears in systray" [21:43] Riddell: because I launched printer-applet in konsole, and after I launched a print [21:52] seele: facebook ping [21:53] Riddell: you went away! [21:53] you didnt even give me a chance to respond! [21:54] seele: hmm, I'm not convinced this new kopete-facebook works [21:56] it shows you offline [21:56] try again? [22:00] trynow [22:01] still not working [22:01] i get your message but when i send one it says youre offline [22:01] mm, one sided conversations have limited use [22:01] shame [22:02] I'll upload it anyway, can't be any worse than the current and it's in universe [22:17] Riddell: kopete-facebook accepted [22:18] ScottK: thanks [22:18] ScottK: python-qt3 seems to work for me [22:18] Riddell: OK, it was probably a transient after the sip upload [22:18] Have we decided on what to do about python-kde3 yet? [22:19] It's already removed, isn't it? [22:19] oh, I guess so [22:20] yes I killed it [22:20] \o/ [22:20] one less kde3 rdepend [22:20] Found a total of 196 reverse build-depend(s) for kdelibs4-dev. [22:21] oh, universe only [22:21] only 6 more elsewhere though [22:23] I have a few more kde3 and general kde cruft removals if any archive admins feel bored (ha ha) [22:23] https://bugs.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+reportedbugs?field.searchtext=request+for+removal [22:25] version of qt4 4.5.3 should be 4.5.3-0ubuntu1 ? in archive it's 4.5.3really4.5.2-0ubuntu1 [22:26] 4.5.3-0ubuntu is lower than 4.5.3really4.5.2 [22:26] lex79: needs to be 4.5.3really4.5.3-0ubuntu1 [22:26] ok thanks [22:27] and if this gets uploaded and fails then we're into horribly stupid version numbers [22:27] 4.5.3really4.5.2noreally4.5.3-0ubuntu1 [22:27] :D [22:27] LoL [22:27] lex79: I just synced the changelog in qt bzr [22:27] great [22:58] I upload to bzr qt4 [22:59] *uploaded [23:01] the fabo's configure in rules is a bit different from ours, if will be ftbs again we know where we can look [23:19] JontheEchidna: for reference bug 452883 might very well caused by us, I removed the uglyish default_blue or whatever it is called wallpaper at all levels which might eventually cause the selection to be broken [23:19] Launchpad bug 452883 in kdebase-workspace "Can not set background picture for kdm" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/452883 [23:19] which would be weird but technically possible given the weirdness of all kdm related stuff [23:19] then it'd be debian, not us :P [23:19] nah [23:19] I removed it [23:19] me [23:19] oh, right [23:20] because it was showing up in the plasma wallpaper selection dialog as well [23:20] which was quite the PITA [23:21] so Id also like to add... if this is caused by our change to the kdm defaults, then I freaking give a crap whether wallpaper setting is working because it is a minor use case that is only meant to make kdm look ugly and I rather have no default_blue wallpaper than a working wallpaper selection [23:21] have you seen this: http://websvn.kde.org/?revision=1034475&view=revision [23:21] ? [23:21] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=202799 [23:22] KDE bug 202799 in kcm_kdm "Background image preview updates are not repainted" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [23:22] that just fixes the preview widget itself [23:22] a user-set wallpaper still wont' work in KDM [23:23] well, just set the wally manually in the kdmrc and see how the kcm behaves then [23:23] if it starts working then my enhancement to the kdm defaults is causing the issue [23:23] which might be worked around by setting the default wally to air [23:24] * apachelogger goes to bed though [23:24] nini [23:26] hmm... does backgroundrc look for an explicit filename? [23:26] the kcm isn't writing anything to backgroundrc [23:26] prob. the bug right there [23:31] setting it manually works. The bug is that the kcm isn't writing to the background config file [23:31] themed mode doesn't use backgroundrc, so it's unaffected [23:36] Riddell: I have an experimental patch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/295015/ [23:37] it works for me but I can't test if it causes trouble on laptops with hardware based brightness fn keys [23:47] debfx: looks sensible at a glace but the change to updateSlider breaks API [23:51] testers needed for k3b! http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/k3b/ [23:52] whoa, new alpha? [23:52] Riddell: updateSlider() is a private slot, does changing it cause an issue? [23:53] * JontheEchidna would be worried if a battery applet was an exported library [23:55] I don't think that'd cause any issues, imo [23:57] debfx: I'd hope not, although c++ binary compatibility rules are so random I couldn't say for sure [23:57] but right, that's not in the library, my mistake, should be fine then [23:58] debfx: I'd recommend throwing a packaging into your PPA, I presume you know how?