[00:00] <rr72> maco~ apt-cach showpkg gnome-vfs-obexftp is practicly empty
[00:05] <mzz> maco: fwiw: I can reproduce that. Looks like the "gnome" metapackage is just broken
[00:05] <mzz> err, s/maco/r772/
[00:05] <mzz> rr72 even, gah
[00:05] <rr72> thanksyou mzz
[00:06] <mzz> rr72: you don't really need that meta though. Perhaps just install ubuntu-desktop instead?
[00:06] <rr72> i dont want the whole thing, just gnome desktop
[00:06] <mzz> rr72: try gnome-desktop-environment?
[00:07] <rr72> hahahahaha
[00:07] <mzz> rr72: if you "apt-cache show gnome" you'll find most, if not all, of what it offers isn't critical
[00:07] <rr72> mzz it's broken too
[00:08] <mzz> you're right, it is
[00:08] <rr72> fast-user-switch-applet
[00:08] <mzz> rr72: how much does ubuntu-desktop pull in that's actually problematic?
[00:08] <rr72> file LP bugs or no because it is unstable?
[00:08] <mzz> filing them sounds reasonable to me
[00:08] <rr72> not sure actually, will do a 'test' install
[00:09] <mzz> but that doesn't necessarily mean it is (I don't know how good the automated tools catching this kind of thing are)
[00:09] <rr72> file under 'gnome' and 'gnome-desktop-environment' or gnome-vfs-obexftp?
[00:09] <mzz> rr72: I suspect those broken "gnome" metapackages are largely inherited from debian and haven't been updated to work with karmic
[00:09] <mzz> the bug's with the meta, imho
[00:10] <mzz> (so the former)
[00:10] <mzz> I don't think gnome-desktop-environment should be depending on fam, for example
[00:10] <rr72> so file gnome, got it
[00:11] <mzz> (gamin and fam conflict, and you normally want gamin these days)
[00:11] <rr72> gamin and fam conflict? I don't understand sorry
[00:11] <mzz> so I'm pretty sure those metas are just stale (although I'm a bit surprised automated tools didn't catch that, or if they did it's not fixed yet)
[00:12] <dtchen> mzz: the real bug is that gamin doesn't also Provides: fam
[00:12] <mzz> dtchen: maybe, maybe not! I don't know what the intended meaning of "fam" is
[00:12]  * mzz checks for more rdepends on fam
[00:13] <dtchen> mzz: it just seems to be an oversight, since libgamin0 clearly properly Provides and Conflicts/Replaces libfam0
[00:13] <mzz> hmm, that's likely.
[00:13] <dtchen> no, seriously. I remember this bug from gusty
[00:13] <dtchen> just never got around to filing the bug and fixing it.
[00:13] <mzz> still, gnome-desktop-environment shouldn't be depending on fast-user-switch-applet if that isn't in the repos
[00:13] <chesty> hello, I dpkg-reconfigured -plow slapd and expected to be prompted for an admin password, however this didn't happen. how do I add an admin to slapd?
[00:14] <mzz> (and arguably most if not all stuff that still depends on fam should depend on gamin instead (except for the obvious fam-dbgsym and libfam0)
[00:15] <dtchen> mzz: not necessary if you simply make gamin Provides: fam
[00:15] <mzz> dtchen: still necessary for those weirdos that don't have gamin installed yet, if I understand the mechanism correctly
[00:16] <dtchen> mzz: no, it's unnecessary
[00:16] <mzz> well, not so much "necessary" as "desirable"
[00:16] <dtchen> mzz: libgamin0 Depends: gamin
[00:16] <mzz> yes
[00:16] <mzz> but they wouldn't be getting libgamin0 if they have neither gamin nor fam (nor their lib friends) installed yet, right?
[00:17] <Myxb> there is a conflict between libavcodec-unstripped-52 and libavutil-unstripped-49 in the very recent update. the '52 is supposed to depend on the '49?
[00:17] <dtchen> arguably they shouldn't be getting it at all
[00:17] <rr72> !bug 451266
[00:17] <dtchen> gvfs subsumes it
[00:17] <rr72> dtchen~ was filed already
[00:18] <maco> dtchen: grep "^Codec\|^Vendor Id\|^Subsystem Id\|^Revision Id" /proc/asound/card*/*codec*{,/*} | grep -B2 -A1 $(lspci -nv | grep -A1 0403 | grep Subsystem | sed 's/://g' | awk '{ print $2 }')
[00:19] <maco> dtchen: muahaha that one narrows it down to the codec of the hda device instead of including the modem
[00:22] <dtchen> maco: um
[00:23] <maco> dtchen: not ok? :(
[00:23] <rr72> maco there was a bug filed on LP, confirmed it
[00:23] <dtchen> maco: we deliberately match Subsystem in the codec output, because it's very much ok for it to differ from the lspci -nv output
[00:23] <sur> anybody succeeded to run freenx on Karmic?
[00:23] <maco> dtchen: aw crudmuffins. i was trying to figure out how to tell which codec#* is the actual audio device and which is the modem
[00:24] <maco> but yeah i guess itd fail when you have > 1
[00:24] <dtchen> maco: then you also need to look at ^Function
[00:24] <dtchen> maco: however, due to codec slot ordering, there is no guarantee that the first slot will not be the modem
[00:25] <maco> dtchen: i realize that. thats why im saying you need some way to tell *which* slot to compare when trying to figure out if its a dup
[00:25] <dtchen> maco: no, the slot/function is a red herrying
[00:25] <dtchen> herring*
[00:26] <maco> you and i know that "Realtek" or "Sigmatel" are very likely to be the one we're looking at, not the modem...but how do *other* people know this?
[00:26] <maco> yeah well ^Function doesnt exist in my output so...
[00:26] <BUGabundo> bou pra caminha
[00:26] <dtchen> be careful
[00:26] <dtchen> IDT/Sigmatel and Realtek do ship modem functionality on different slots
[00:26] <maco> boo hiss
[00:27] <dtchen> just because yours doesn't expose it doesn't mean another revision doesn't
[00:27] <maco> there's got to be a way to get this down to information that isnt just inside your head
[00:27] <dtchen> huh? it's not just inside my head
[00:27] <dtchen> it's all over the webernet
[00:27] <maco> in usably small words?
[00:28] <maco> and in usably small chunks?
[00:28] <dtchen> google does a very good job
[00:28] <dtchen> so do the unwashed masses who complain bitterly
[00:28] <maco> im just trying to come up with a simple recipe for ballparkin whether you are or are not experiencing the same bug as someone else
[00:29] <dtchen> we're a ways from that
[00:29] <maco> grr
[00:29] <dtchen> you need to combine all that info with hda-analyzer and hda-emu before it's any less of a headache
[00:30] <maco> O_o
[00:30] <rr72> thankyou guys
[00:30] <dtchen> what you're describing is closer to symptom-based reporting, but the backend triagers will still need to do a lot of grunt work
[00:30] <maco> i wouldnt mind working on those triggers
[00:30] <maco> but id need you to approve them
[00:30] <maco> because youll know the corner cases
[00:32] <dtchen> some of them
[00:32] <maco> im thinking, at the moment, user goes to lp and puts in "no mute headphones" and finds 50 bugs that say the speakers arent muted when they plug in headphones. so they think "oh, i must be one of these"....those 4 things in teh codec output can *at least* say "very likely not the same bug" but cant necessarily say "definitely the same bug"
[00:32] <dtchen> i keep uncovering new ones
[00:33] <maco> if the user can quickly see that it is very likely not hte same bug, we save the headache of "i have this bug too!"
[00:33] <maco> in 99% of the cases
[00:33] <Kaj> insider stuff eh/
[00:35] <dtchen> it's really closer to 50%
[00:36] <maco> dtchen: that's it?? :(
[00:36] <maco> dtchen: 50% > 0%, yes?
[00:45] <hipitihop> I'm trying to get my iMon based remote working with lirc 0.8.6 however it seems that usbhid is grabbing the device see http://paste.ubuntu.com/294277/ can someone advise how I can disable usbhid for this device ?
[00:48] <XiXaQ> System > Administration > Permissions are severely lacking in choices. Is there something wrong with my system, or will options be added later?
[00:50] <plazia> anyone with an x-fi card noticed that when you turn the master volume down in gnome it appears to take the sample rate or bitrate down. the quality goes terrible. turn the volume back up to max and it returns to normal quality?
[00:50] <mzz> XiXaQ: I don't have that option. Do you know what package offers it?
[00:52] <XiXaQ> mzz, it may be called something else in English. I'm using Norwegian. I'm talking about the PolicyKit editor.
[00:53] <XiXaQ> to be more exact: polkit-gnome-authorization
[00:53] <mzz> ah
[00:54] <mzz> XiXaQ: that's part of polkit-0.9, and most stuff migrated to polkit-1
[00:54] <mzz> I don't know what the polkit-1 equivalent is
[00:54]  * mzz searches
[00:55] <szczur> hi
[00:56] <szczur> i instaled Ubuntu Karmic Server Beta and i have small problem with WiFi
[00:57] <szczur> on 9.04 there was a acx111 module for D-Link DWL-520+ card but in 9.10 this module is nonexistent
[00:57] <XiXaQ> mzz, there is an issue with scanning, that you're required to gain root access in order to use the scanner. I guess that's a policykit-thing, but I can't find any configuration for it.
[00:57] <szczur> so i don't have internet on my Desktop right now and i had to switch to Windows :(
[00:58] <mzz> XiXaQ: it may not be. I'd expect that to be a groups thing.
[00:58] <mzz> XiXaQ: can you figure out if it's failing to get access to a device node, and what the permissions on the node are?
[00:58] <mzz> XiXaQ: (strace may be of use)
[01:01] <szczur> and another issue is that grub2 didn't found my Windows XP instalation
[01:01] <XiXaQ> mzz, node?
[01:02] <oorah> my screen brightness is flickering up and down. is this a bug thats already been reported?
[01:03] <h00k> oorah: not as in the flickering that happens when its not plugged into power (laptop?)
[01:03] <oorah> h00k, its plugged in
[01:03] <h00k> oorah: gotcha.  I don't know :(
[01:04] <oorah> should i report it?
[01:04] <mzz> XiXaQ: file below /dev/usb/
[01:04] <mzz> XiXaQ: err, /dev/bus/usb/
[01:04] <h00k> oorah: give it a shot, check to see if someone already did
[01:05] <oorah> i just did some updates. i'm gonna restart and see what happens brb
[01:08] <oorah> where do i go to report a bug?
[01:09] <vivid> yay, blank terminals are fixed
[01:09] <h00k> oorah: launchpad.org
[01:09] <h00k> !launchpad > oorah
[01:09] <theftf> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[01:10] <XiXaQ> mzz, then 001 (if that's the scanners bus) should automatically belong to the scanner group, for instance?
[01:10] <mzz> XiXaQ: I don't know. Mainly I'd check what group the stuff there *is* in, and if there's a group like "scanner" involved make sure I'm in it
[01:11] <XiXaQ> mzz, no, it belongs to root:root
[01:11] <mzz> XiXaQ: hmm. Unfortunately I don't have a scanner so I can't trivially check how this *should* work
[01:12] <mzz> oh hey, udev rules. Sec.
[01:12] <XiXaQ> ah!
[01:13] <hrn> hello
[01:13] <mzz> XiXaQ: if it's recognized as a known scanner (via /lib/udev/rules.d/40-libsane.rules) it should be getting an acl applied that allows someone logged in on the physical system to use it
[01:13] <szczur> anyone?
[01:14] <XiXaQ> mzz, oh, ok. The driver for the scanner was installed manually.
[01:14] <mzz> XiXaQ: you should be able to use the "getfacl" tool to see that acl, but I don't know exactly what device node to run that tool on
[01:14] <mzz> XiXaQ: if that acl isn't there I'd add a udev rule to mark it as a known scanner, so the acl logic kicks in
[01:15] <hrn> is that normal, that i cannot start the acerhdf kernel module?
[01:16] <mzz> XiXaQ: that is: put a rule similar to the ones in 40-libsane.rules matching your scanner in /etc/udev/rules.d/40-my-scanner.rules or the like, then (probably) tell udev to reread the rules (forgot how to do that), then replug the scanner
[01:16] <mzz> hrn: depends on what kind of system you're on, obviously
[01:16] <mzz> hrn: did you just install the beta? Make sure you're fully updated
[01:16] <hrn> kubuntu 9.10 beta
[01:16] <hrn> i am fully updaten
[01:16] <hrn> updatet
[01:16] <mzz> hrn: (the beta loaded that module on most or all acers, it got fixed to only load it on systems that should actually support it)
[01:17] <XiXaQ> mzz, a reboot will for it to reread it, to keep things simple?
[01:17] <hrn> dmesg|grep acerhdf says
[01:17] <mzz> XiXaQ: yes
[01:17] <hrn> that the fan controll is not enabled
[01:17] <mzz> hrn: are you sure you rebooted since you updated?
[01:17] <hrn> when i do
[01:17] <mzz> hrn: (that is: which kernel are you running?)
[01:17] <mzz> hrn: (uname -a will tell)
[01:17] <hrn> sudo echo -n "enabled" .../mode
[01:18] <hrn> i rebooted
[01:18] <hrn> mom
[01:18] <Zeikfried> How would i get recordmydesktop to record audio output from amarok?
[01:18] <hrn> 2.6.31-14-generic #47-Ubuntu SMP Thu Oct 15 02:08:08 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[01:18] <mzz> XiXaQ: and if that works you should probably file a bug, of course
[01:19] <mzz> hrn: ok, so that's current. Sec.
[01:19] <XiXaQ> mzz, I will. Reading the README in /etc/udev/rules.d, it seems it's being watched using inotify for changes. I think that means no action should be necessary in order to make it reread files.
[01:20] <Martyn> UbuntuOne is down ...
[01:20] <hrn> bash: /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/mode: Permission denied
[01:20] <hrn> is says then
[01:20] <mzz> XiXaQ: ah, neat (I was hoping it did that). You should probably still replug the scanner.
[01:20] <Martyn> filestore backend is broken
[01:20] <hrn> k
[01:21] <hrn> is it better to hl everyone always?
[01:21] <mzz> hrn: that's correct, you need to do that as root (a trick is "echo -n enabled | sudo tee /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/mode", iirc)
[01:21] <mzz> hrn: define "hl"?
[01:21] <hrn> highlight
[01:21] <hrn> here in irc
[01:21] <mzz> hrn: that'll definitely help when you're talking to me and you can tell I'm talking to more than one person
[01:21] <hrn> :)
[01:22] <hrn> mzz: so just paste that in " " into konsole
[01:22] <mzz> hrn: I don't actually own hardware that supports acerhdf, so I can't tell if running that echo is desirable.
[01:22] <mzz> hrn: without the quotes, obviously, but yes.
[01:22] <BluesKaj> Zeikfried, expalin what you are trying to do ...are you trying to record streaming audio ?
[01:22] <hrn> mzz: k
[01:23] <mzz> (specifically: I have an acer, but it's a much older model)
[01:23] <Zeikfried> I am playing amarok and recording with recordmydesktop, but i have no sound upon playback of the recorded video.
[01:23] <hrn> wow these silence
[01:23] <hrn> it works
[01:24] <t0cableguy> hi.. so heres the prob.. i have two computers with the same error with the 32 bit desktop karmic iso install . they both boot into the livesession and come up with the low disk space error. anybody else have an issue like that?
[01:24] <mzz> hrn: hmm, not sure why that's not done by default then.
[01:24] <mzz> hrn: (and obviously make sure it really *is* working, and not just forcing the fan off!)
[01:24] <MsMaco> Zeikfried: maybe you need to have a mic in front of the speakers?
[01:24] <BluesKaj> Zeikfried, what are you recording ?
[01:24] <Zeikfried> Just my desktop.
[01:24] <MsMaco> i think recordmydesktop only records audio from an input, doesnt record your outputs
[01:24] <hrn> i used acerhdf sometimes ago.
[01:25] <Zeikfried> But i am playing music in amarok that i would like it to record into the video as well, but it isnt recording audio.
[01:25] <hrn> mzz: another problem with the plasma netbook application screen
[01:25] <XiXaQ> mzz, I connected a usb scanner here. It works, but I have no entry for it in /etc/udev/rules.d
[01:25] <MsMaco> Zeikfried: put a mic in front of your speakers
[01:26] <Zeikfried> That suck.....
[01:26] <hrn> there are missing some menu items
[01:26] <mzz> XiXaQ: well, you normally shouldn't have to create those rules by hand, they *should* be listed already :)
[01:26] <mzz> hrn: I don't currently use that launcher, although perhaps I should!
[01:26]  * mzz checks how much stuff it pulls in
[01:26] <Zeikfried> I SHOULD be able to record normally if i had an option for WAVE in my ALSA mixer.
[01:26] <Zeikfried> But there isnt one.
[01:26] <BluesKaj> vlc, Zeikfried , forget amarok ..look in the options to add audio to video tracks
[01:27] <MsMaco> an option for wav?
[01:27] <MsMaco> yeah just use a video editor and dub it
[01:27] <hrn> the last two columns of the menu items are missing^^
[01:28] <hrn> or is somebody else using this netbook edition?
[01:28] <XiXaQ> mzz, I'm not the one having an issue with the scanner. it's a fellow in another channel. Here, scanning works fine in karmic, but I'm using a scanner that's supported. He had to install a driver manually. Neither one of us has anything belonging to scanning in /etc/udev/rules.d
[01:29] <hrn> and why does firefox have just that big font?
[01:29] <mzz> XiXaQ: that's normal, the default rules are in /lib/udev/rules.d
[01:30] <mzz> hrn: firefox using a big font might happen if your screen has a high enough resolution that the size of a css pixel doubles, sec
[01:30] <test34> hand gesture recognition with webcam?
[01:30] <hrn> the menu font of ff is very big, too
[01:30] <XiXaQ> mzz, however, my usb bus for the scanner belongs to the group "lp".
[01:30] <mzz> hrn: try http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Toolbars+and+page+content+appear+too+large+after+upgrading+to+Firefox+3
[01:30] <slackr> anyone experiencing popping sounds from tab completes in shell? i have realtek ACL889A if that matters
[01:30] <hrn> thx
[01:31] <mzz> XiXaQ: you shouldn't have to mess with the bus, just with the node for the actual scanner. And "lp" seems off (I'd expect that to mean "printer")
[01:31] <mzz> slackr: works for me, but there have been some fixes involving power management that may be relevant. Make sure you're updated.
[01:31] <mzz> test34: what?
[01:32] <slackr> mzz: ah yes, will try
[01:32] <test34> mzz, do you know of any good program to do some kind of gesture recognition using a webcam?
[01:32] <XiXaQ> mzz, I have a multifunction printer with scanner. It seems to be the same device.
[01:33] <mzz> heh, is running netbook-launcher inside a regular gnome session actually supposed to work?
[01:33] <mzz> it runs, but ignores mouse input
[01:33] <mzz> test34: maybe! sec
[01:34] <mzz> test34: aww, looks like http://code.google.com/p/ehci/ just does heads, not gestures
[01:34] <XiXaQ> mzz, I didn't understand that last message.
[01:34] <mzz> XiXaQ: oh, and iiuc I was wrong about this involving groups: it should be giving access to users logged in on the physical system, using a combo of consolekit and acls. Is there a "+" in the "ls -l" output for the device node?
[01:35] <mzz> XiXaQ: which one?
[01:35] <XiXaQ> mzz, /dev/bus/usb/003/002 is my multifunction scanner, and it belongs to root:root
[01:35] <test34> thanks mzz I'll take a look.. but moving my arms or hands would probably be better
[01:35] <mzz> XiXaQ: is there a "+" in the ls -l output (next to the permissions)?
[01:35] <hrn> still the same problem with to big toolbar fonts
[01:35] <XiXaQ> mzz, yes, there is. What does that mean?
[01:35] <mzz> test34: I never looked for gesture recognition exactly, so it's entirely possible there's an opensource lib for that too
[01:36] <mzz> XiXaQ: probably that the acl stuff I keep mentioning was applied
[01:36] <XiXaQ> mzz, in the other guys setup, that + is missing.
[01:36] <test34> mzz, there's opencv (computer vision) library I think, but I was hoping to find a complete program
[01:36] <mzz> test34: yeah, I was thinking of opencv (only I forgot the name :)
[01:37] <mzz> XiXaQ: yes. Then see above about creating an udev rule
[01:37] <hrn> maybe ill go to bed, and ask some later time, its still in beta stadium, maaybe i should wait...
[01:37] <XiXaQ> mzz, I have no template for making such a file though.
[01:37] <mzz> XiXaQ: lsusb should give you the right ids to put in there, and /lib/udev/rules.d/40-libsane.rules has examples
[01:38] <XiXaQ> mzz, oh, I'm sorry. I think I misread.
[01:41] <alteregoa> high
[01:41] <alteregoa> the 190x nvidia runs with 9.10?
[01:42] <bjsnider> yes
[01:43] <test34> whats the point of having a strong passphrase for your encrypted home partition if your user password automatically unencrypt it?
[01:43] <XiXaQ> mzz, should I edit the rules-file in /lib as well, or isn't that important?
[01:44] <mzz> XiXaQ: I wouldn't edit stuff in /lib
[01:44] <mzz> XiXaQ: (it'd work, it might need a manual udev restart since I'm not sure it monitors that rules.d too, but generally editing files in package-managed directories like /etc is unhygienic)
[01:44] <slackr> ah some progress possibly, fwe pops while running upgrade
[01:45] <XiXaQ> mzz, you mean in /lib?
[01:46] <mzz> XiXaQ: yes.
[01:46] <mzz> err, yes, editing below directories like /lib, not /etc :)
[01:47] <oorah> how do i file a bug in launchpad? the main page doesn't have a direct link
[01:47] <mzz> oorah: it's impossible.
[01:47] <mzz> oorah: try ubuntu-bug
[01:48] <oorah> mzz, how do i try that? what do i do?
[01:48] <mzz> oorah: (I exagerate (sp?) slightly, but still, try ubuntu-bug first)
[01:48] <mzz> oorah: "ubuntu-bug packagename" from the affected system.
[01:48] <mzz> oorah: (or see ubuntu-bug --help)
[01:48] <mzz> oorah: also see the instructions wiki page you're linked to if you go to http://bugs.ubuntu.com/ and click "Report a bug" (top right)
[01:49] <oorah> mzz, thanks
[01:50] <thiebaude> bug 366360
[01:50] <slackr> ach still no fix for the move-spotifywindow-bug
[01:51] <bjsnider> that bug was fixed by nvidia awhile back
[01:51] <oorah> my screen brightness is flickering
[01:51] <bjsnider> new nvidia-settings hasn't been incorporated by canonical yet
[01:52] <thiebaude> bjsnider, yea, just got mine fixed
[01:52] <zooko> Phewf.  Finally got back control of my laptop by installing Wubi!
[01:52] <zooko> Now I've got to figure out how to fix this issue with mountall vs. my custom kernel so I can boot into native linux again...
[01:57] <dfarm> Hey guys, I'm having the damn PC speaker driving me crazy despite having pcspkr blacklisted. I put my 'lsmod' at http://pastebin.com/d701078bf can anyone see if I'm missing something?
[01:57] <dfarm> on karmic of course, and I didn't have this issue in Jaunty
[01:57] <oorah> i can't figure out how to report the bug of screen brightness flickering
[01:57] <oorah> i don't know what that package name is
[01:58] <HardDisk> Evening, can't seem to find the issue why nm-applet -sm-disable which is the default in ubuntu is not starting up, i have to alt-f2 and type nm-applet and it runs after that.
[01:58] <mzz> HardDisk: does ~/.xsession-errors have clues?
[01:58] <HighBit_> dfarm: I think that module is snd-pcsp
[01:58] <HardDisk> i will check that mzz
[01:59] <dfarm> HighBit_, that one is blacklisted as well
[01:59] <alteregoa> http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_03/Wildenstein1WENN_468x696.jpg
[01:59] <alteregoa> her dad was garfield
[01:59] <dfarm> If you look at the lsmod thing I pasted I can't see any reason that I should be hearing my pc speaker
[01:59] <HardDisk> yea mzz errors ill have to pastebin it
[01:59] <mzz> alteregoa: err, mischan?
[01:59] <dfarm> and I've got pulseaudio muted so the fact that I'm hearing anything is driving me nuts :P'
[01:59] <HardDisk> theres a .config/metacity error
[02:00] <XiXaQ> mzz, I had a look at my own /lib/udev/rules.d/40-libsane.rules and it didn't have an entry for my scanner either, but it works here.
[02:00] <alteregoa> mzz, yeah i thought im in #weird
[02:01] <alteregoa> i got a problem
[02:01] <alteregoa> if i install those linux drivers manualy x doesnt work anymore
[02:01] <HardDisk> i find a fix on some blog
[02:01] <HardDisk> ill try it
[02:01] <HardDisk> http://shoaibmir.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/nm-applet-problems-in-ubuntu/
[02:02] <mzz> XiXaQ: try "udevadm info --query=all --name=/dev/bus/usb/blah"
[02:02] <HighBit_> dfarm: that is odd
[02:02] <XiXaQ> mzz, where blah is 003/002, for instance?
[02:02] <mzz> XiXaQ: yep
[02:03] <HardDisk> hmm nope
[02:03] <HardDisk> i guess ill have to google the xsession errors
[02:03] <alteregoa> telinit 3
[02:03] <mzz> HardDisk: did you pastebin .xsession-errors?
[02:04] <XiXaQ> mzz, let me guess: you're looking for ACL_MANAGE=1 ?
[02:04] <HardDisk> ill pastebin them now
[02:04] <HardDisk> one sec
[02:04] <mzz> XiXaQ: I was expecting that to be there, but there's other reasons that gets set
[02:04] <mzz> XiXaQ: I hoped it'd have clues on what got ACL_MANAGE set
[02:04] <HardDisk> mzz: http://pastebin.ca/1623119
[02:05] <HardDisk> I can tell you when this error occurred
[02:05] <HardDisk> when nm-applet would not start my wifi on the acer aspire one
[02:05] <HardDisk> so i installed wicd
[02:05] <mzz> HardDisk: hmm, sorry. Not sure what's up with that.
[02:05] <HardDisk> then when i reverted back to network manager thats when it started
[02:05] <mzz> XiXaQ: (pastebin it?)
[02:05] <XiXaQ> mzz, it didn't work for the guy until he rebooted, so I guess adding a file to /etc/udev/rules.d doesn't notify udev. That's a bug too, perhaps?
[02:05]  * mzz can mostly decipher udev rules files, apparently
[02:06] <XiXaQ> mzz, in other words: it works now.
[02:06] <mzz> XiXaQ: I don't know if you're supposed to SIGHUP udevd or something
[02:06] <HardDisk> I wonder if its a bug that will be fixed by the end
[02:06] <slackr> dang, just started up my recently compiled xbmc, and its stretched over both my screens
[02:06] <mzz> XiXaQ: I do suspect you have to replug the scanner after udev picks up the new rules. Did he do thaht?
[02:06] <HardDisk> or whether due to the beta stage something fubarred and i will have to reinstall ubuntu when the release is out
[02:06] <mzz> that, even
[02:07] <XiXaQ> mzz, do you think I should add the contents of udevadm info --query=all --name=/dev/bus/usb/blah to the bug report and the mail to sane-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org?
[02:07] <dfarm> heh, looking at Ubuntu bugs I see a bunch of reports about people who can't get the PC speaker to work. Ah, to be so fortunate...
[02:08] <mzz> XiXaQ: I don't know! I don't know what he did as far as manually installing drivers goes
[02:08] <MTecknology> I have a desktop kernel installed and apt wants to update my kernel to the server version..
[02:09] <mzz> XiXaQ: I did just find out about "udevadm command --reload-rules", but you're right that the README says you shouldn't need it. The manpage for udevadm does confirm new rules don't apply to already-detected devices, so you have to replug or reboot.
[02:10] <MTecknology> nevermind... apparently I got switched to the server image at some poitn
[02:11] <XiXaQ> mzz, he did replug, but that had no effect.
[02:11] <HighBit_> dfarm: what action causes the pc speaker to beep?
[02:11] <mzz> XiXaQ: weird
[02:11] <mzz> XiXaQ: not something I'd really enjoy remotely debugging, let alone remotely debugging by proxy (you) :P
[02:11] <dfarm> HighBit_, just generic stuff. Typing backspace at blank terminal, trying to autocomplete something that isn't unique, etc
[02:11] <conky1> so where is the new default wallpaper guys
[02:12] <HighBit_> dfarm: at the virtual console or in an X session, or both?
[02:12] <dfarm> that just turned the light bulb on.
[02:12] <XiXaQ> mzz, hehe, no, it's not ideal. But it works, and that's a good sign, right? :)
[02:13] <conky1> its not the orange one thats being used now is it
[02:13] <dfarm> I checked and it was gnome terminal has a setting for "terminal bell"
[02:13] <mzz> XiXaQ: I'd probably just call it a day, hoping that whatever extra driver he installed gets integrated/replaced by libsane in the future
[02:13] <Varth> When I try to open any of my folders from the Places menu, it tells me "Could not open location 'file:///home/nathan' - No application is registered as handling this file". Anyone know what to do about this?
[02:13] <dfarm> unchecked it and that did the job. It was only in gnome-terminal that I was getting it
[02:13] <HighBit_> dfarm: ah hm. so not actually the speaker, just sounded like it was!
[02:13] <mzz> Varth: are you fully updated? There was a shared-mime-info vs older glib snafu a while back
[02:13] <dfarm> HighBit_, Yeah, well what's odd is it was the PC speaker doing it
[02:14] <HighBit_> hmm, that is weird then.
[02:14] <dfarm> Think I may file a bug against gnome-terminal since I had PC speaker blacklisted and pulseaudio muted -- seems like terminal wasn't honoring something
[02:14] <XiXaQ> mzz, however, simply adding the rule to /lib/udev/rules.d/40-libsane.rules would mean that others who are installing that driver wouldn't have to add it manually?
[02:14] <mzz> dfarm: I forgot if you pastebinned lsmod, but I wouldn't expect gnome-terminal to pay any attention to the module blacklist
[02:15] <mzz> dfarm: perhaps the actual problem is that some module is builtin for a bad reason
[02:15] <Varth> Varth
[02:15] <mzz> XiXaQ: that's correct, but adding a rule to that file before libsane actually supports the device sounds like a weird/confusing thing to do
[02:15] <dfarm> I did paste lsmod back there, I'd be curious to have someone who might know more check it before I filed a bug.
[02:15] <Varth> mzz: Probably not. I just installed. I'll update now.
[02:15] <dfarm> e.g., if snd_hda_intel would make the pc speaker available that'd be good to know before I filed a bogus bug
[02:15] <mzz> XiXaQ: assuming this isn't too much of a ubuntuism I think a better approach would be having that manually-installed driver install a udev rules file.
[02:16] <dfarm> mzz, http://pastebin.com/d701078bf was my lsmod output if you wanna double check me
[02:16] <XiXaQ> mzz, oh, ok. That sounds right. Then, if it gets included in a later release, there is nothing wrong with having a matching rule in two different files?
[02:17] <mzz> dfarm: hmm, looks like the relevant stuff is modular in the -generic kernel, so I don't know what's going on there.
[02:17] <mzz> XiXaQ: I don't think that'd hurt in this case, no.
[02:17] <alteregoa> how to stop the xserver with ubuntu?
[02:17] <mzz> XiXaQ: specifically: all the rules would do is set some properties to "1" on the device node, and the same property getting set to the same value twice is a nonissue
[02:18] <alteregoa> stopx doesnt work
[02:18] <mzz> alteregoa: I don't know about permanently, but for temporarily try "sudo stop gdm"
[02:19] <oorah> screen still flickering grrrrrr
[02:21] <alteregoa> i try to install andersk drivers
[02:21] <dfarm> ah it's already there. Bug # 34745
[02:21] <alteregoa> anders kaseorg
[02:25] <XiXaQ> mzz, right. If a driver is available from System > Administration > Hardware drivers, would that mean it wouldn't be listed in /lib/udev/rules.d/40-libsane.rules, but be added as an own entry in /etc/udev/rules.d when installed?
[02:29] <mzz> XiXaQ: I'd expect it to install its own rules file, yes.
[02:29] <mzz> (it's easier package management wise, and I don't know of any benefit of using a single file for this)
[02:30] <XiXaQ> mzz, ok. One more thing. When he closes xsane, he gets an error complaining about permissions. In my setup, the correct file in /dev/bus/usb belongs to root:lp. In his setup, the corresponding file belongs to root:root. Should he change permissions to "root:lp"?
[02:31] <mzz> XiXaQ: "lp" is almost certainly related to printers. I'd expect there to be an acl giving him full permissions if it works at all. Are you sure xsane is complaining about the device node?
[02:31] <mzz> XiXaQ: specifically: if he ever ran xsane through sudo the problem is probably some settings or log file is now root-owned, and a regular xsane run can't write to itc.
[02:31] <mzz> it, even.
[02:32] <mzz> XiXaQ: I'd start xsane, attach strace, close it, then grep the strace log for PERM
[02:32] <XiXaQ> mzz, he did run it with sudo at least once, yes.
[02:32] <mzz> alternatively: "find ~ -xdev -not -uid $(id -u)"
[02:36] <XiXaQ> mzz, that command shouldn't display anything at all, right?
[02:38] <mzz> XiXaQ: exactly
[02:38] <mzz> (it'll print a list of stuff below your homedir that's not owned by you, which should normally be empty)
[02:51] <HighBit_> dfarm: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/module-init-tools/+bug/77010
[02:52] <HighBit_> the bottom of that bug shows people saying "the beep is back" -- maybe the latest kernel has some issue
[02:52] <XiXaQ> mzz, on behalf of "the guy", thanks for fixing the scanner issue. From me, thanks for being a good teacher. :)
[02:53] <dfarm> ah
[02:53] <dfarm> HighBit_, Thanks for looking that one up
[02:53] <dfarm> Definitely getting people's attention
[02:54] <mzz> pff, I should be able to do better as far as being a teacher goes
[02:54] <mzz> I'll just blame it on me not having a scanner though
[02:56] <HighBit_> dfarm: indeed -- the beep can be very annoying :)
[02:59] <h00k> I still am not sure why I'm getting these kernel panics and linux-crashdump isn't helping at all.
[03:03] <timber> sometimes the nautilus doesn't show the files in a folder....the mouse icon appears refreshing, and never show the files
[03:04] <timber> but i can see the files using other programs, like vlc for example
[03:04] <rob0> h00k: Is it the Ubuntu kernel, or did you compile your own? If the former, I'd suspect hardware, If the latter, maybe you missed something you need?
[03:06] <homoboy> Ok, so has anyone else seen any glitches with the internet connection on 9.10? I run iwlist scan and all i get is "Interface dowsn't support scanning" with lo, eth0, wmaster0, and wlan0
[03:06] <h00k> rob0: my hardware is okay, it has just recently started, also it is the default kernel
[03:06] <mzz> homoboy: might need to use the "iw" tool these days. Also check dmesg.
[03:07] <bcurtiswx> hey all, anyone know what happened with simultaneous output with pulse?
[03:08] <h00k> rob0: I recently did a mem test, it is okay, I also did hardware diagnostics
[03:08] <h00k> rob0: and they're okay
[03:11] <h00k> rob0: so.  I'm out of ideas.
[03:13] <mzz> h00k: so what info *do* you have?
[03:13] <h00k> rob0: it is 2.6.31-14-generic
[03:13] <h00k> mzz: ^
[03:13] <h00k> mzz: also, nvidia 185 drivers.
[03:13] <mzz> (any panic messages logged anywhere?)
[03:13] <h00k> dmesg reports nothing, no panic messages, syslog doesn't report anything
[03:14] <mzz> tried netconsole?
[03:14] <h00k> my laptop simply freezes, if I'm playing audio it repeats the same less than half second of what is playing, and sometimes the capslock and numlock flash, but not always
[03:15] <h00k> mzz: netconsole?
[03:15] <mzz> (or a serial console, or whatever other option you have to get console output so you can see what's panicing)
[03:15] <mzz> h00k: needs a second networked system on the same local network, see /usr/share/doc/linux-doc/networking/netconsole.txt.gz (obviously installing linux-doc first if you don't have it)
[03:15] <mzz> afaik it's the next best thing to a serial console
[03:17] <petafile> Is there a way to force the liveCD to use a particular graphics driver (EG VESA)?  My GF card apparently doesn't work with the nv driver, so the liveCD won't boot (been a problem since alpha 6, at least)
[03:19] <petafile> is that a no?
[03:21] <mzz> it's an "I don't know, I haven't even used the regular cd recently because it doesn't support lvm"
[03:21] <homoboy> hey
[03:22] <homoboy> i ran iwlist scan and wlan0's network is down. how do I fix that?
[03:22] <Macrophage> I have successfully phagocytized Ubuntu from my laptop thanks to the immune response.
[03:23] <h00k> mzz: I'm looking through that now and trying to figure out how to use it
[03:23] <Macrophage> !ops
[03:24]  * mzz giggles
[03:25] <h00k> wat
[03:28] <petafile> mzz, do you use the alternate CD then?
[03:28] <mzz> I guess that was only funny for those who don't ignore part messages
[03:29] <mzz> petafile: yes
[03:29] <petafile> mzz, do you know if the alternate CD can do that?
[03:29] <mzz> petafile: and I've frequently had to pass vga=something (vga=ask if in doubt) to make that boot properly
[03:29] <mzz> petafile: the alternate cd doesn't run X
[03:29] <mzz> petafile: I was assuming you meant the X kind of graphics driver :)
[03:31] <petafile> mzz, I was.  OK.  I'll try to add that boot opt.  Thanks
[03:31] <mzz> petafile: that probably won't help if you're running X
[03:33] <petafile> I'm nuking my partition and starting fresh with karmic, so the alternate CD should be fine
[03:35] <mebaran151> so nautilus keeps spawning process on login until I try to logout, after which the signal seems toclear th problem
[03:35] <mebaran151> anybody know of this bug?
[03:35] <mzz> I think I saw a report
[03:36] <mzz> mebaran151: bug 325973 perhaps?
[03:37] <tiger2wander> Where I can find the icon of Empathy when contact list is hidden?
[03:38] <mzz> tiger2wander: I don't use empathy, but try clicking the envelope on the panel
[03:40] <webbb82> how can i install kubuntu netbook remix ontop of gnome and the normal kde4
[03:40] <webbb82> and switch between them at login
[03:40] <tiger2wander> mzz, I can not find anything decide that Empathy running on the desktop GUI, but still see it in process list
[03:41] <mzz> tiger2wander: do you actually have that envelope icon I mentioned?
[03:41] <tiger2wander> mzz, I can bring it back by re-launch it
[03:41] <mzz> tiger2wander: indicator-applet, that is?
[03:41] <tiger2wander> mzz, not yet
[03:41]  * mzz tends to get a bit frustrated if he gives a suggestion, it is completely ignored, and people start then highlighting his nick
[03:41] <tiger2wander> mzz, May be I was remove it before
[03:42] <Martyn> ack
[03:42] <mzz> tiger2wander: I don't know if the system deals properly if you remove that applet. It's called "indicator applet"
[03:42] <Martyn> latest update rendered my sysem unusable on boot.   Something changed with usplash
[03:43] <Martyn> Dell Precision T7500 workstation, nVidia graphics (250)
[03:43] <Martyn> this is going to be fun to fix.  not.
[03:43] <tiger2wander> mzz, thanks, I have just add it back then can see the message :)
[03:44] <webbb82> so no one knows how to install kubuntu netbook remix along with gnome
[03:44]  * mzz groans
[03:44] <mzz> webbb82: how does simply installing the relevant metapackages for both fail?
[03:45] <webbb82> i didnt try yet i just didnyt know what files i would need to download
[03:45] <mzz> webbb82: that'd be kubuntu-netbook and kubuntu-desktop, afaik
[03:45] <mzz> webbb82: just download your favorite install medium, then install the metapackage for the other afterwards
[03:45] <mzz> webbb82: I'd expect this to give you a session option for both in kdm
[03:46] <webbb82> thank you
[03:46] <billybigrigger> Martyn, boot into recovery mode and see if there is anymore updates
[03:46] <Martyn> nope, no new updates
[03:46] <Martyn> I'm changing the config and disabling usplash for now
[03:46] <billybigrigger> wait for an update?
[03:47] <billybigrigger> do you know what update caused the borkage?
[03:47] <pepee> hi
[03:47] <Martyn> It's just "pretty", but somehow it's causing all the VT's to scramble and become useless
[03:47] <pepee> I tryed to upgrade to karmic, and my system is broken
[03:47] <Martyn> usplash
[03:47] <Martyn> I'll file a launchpad bug shortly
[03:47] <billybigrigger> and yes i spelled borkage right :P
[03:48] <Martyn> Welp, looks like there's already an older bug describing this very situation
[03:48] <Martyn> I'll just file with that one then
[03:49] <pepee> I'm getting something like this: http://i36.tinypic.com/333bf9c.jpg
[03:49] <pepee> BUT is not exactly as that
[03:49] <pepee> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/447947
[03:50] <mzz> pepee: does it let you shift+pgup to see the first error?
[03:50] <mzz> pepee: it reads as if an earlier mount failed and the error messages actually still on the screen are just fallout
[03:50] <pepee> I installed mountall 0.1.8, but nothing happens
[03:51] <pepee> mzz: I can see all the messages, but simply doesn't show any errors, until I press ctrl+alt+supr
[03:51] <Aruza> i just installed 9.10 on an additional hdd in my computer with the alternate disk and when i reboot it says there is to reboot and insert boot media, any thoughts or suggestions?
[03:52] <mzz> Aruza: I don't understand the problem description
[03:53] <mzz> Aruza: it's possible grub didn't get installed, or that your bios isn't booting off the right drive
[03:53] <Aruza> mzz: i went through the install and it does not boot up after the reboot
[03:53] <mzz> Aruza: in which case I'd boot off some bootable media, chroot in, and run update-grub
[03:53] <Aruza> mzz: its possible that grub didnt get installed i guess but i just followed the prompts for the install
[03:53] <pepee> mzz: but before I was getting this messages: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8097741
[03:55] <mzz> pepee: I am confused. So far all I know is it's not booting correctly, you weren't getting some messages in a screenshot, and you were getting some messages before (but I'm assuming not now)
[03:55] <mzz> pepee: what's actually happening *now*?
[03:55] <pepee> ...before I tryed to repair it as it says on the launchpad page
[03:56] <pepee> mzz: it stops shortly after grub
[03:57] <mzz> pepee: define "stops". What's the last few messages you *do* *currently* get?
[03:57] <webbb82> has anyone tried the kubuntu netbook remix?
[03:58] <pepee> it doesn't show any errors, and if I press ctrl+alt+supr it shows something like "mountall post-process stopped" "general error", I get a root shell, and then the system reboots
[03:58] <pepee> mzz: I think it's like I've got 2
[03:59] <pepee> ...2 bugs at the same time :(
[03:59] <mzz> so get the messages you *do* get, preferably the first problematic ones
[03:59] <pepee> "This issue has thankfully been resolved. The steps taken to fix the issue was to boot into a live cd, chroot the original drive, and complete the apt-get dist-upgrade."
[03:59] <ekontsevoy> I have an Ubuntu LTS server (has been running forever) which is my print server. Everything worked great for a long time. But after installing Karmic I cannot add a printer in Gnome: I launch "Printing Config" and there is nothing I can do there: it asks for a root login and won't let me do anything.
[04:00] <mzz> pepee: if you don't know how to get info out I'd seriously consider waiting a week for the rc and doing a fresh install off that
[04:00] <pepee> that doesn't works, because I have a broken package...
[04:00] <ekontsevoy> However, when I do "connect to server" and type the name of my CUPS machine, it shows the remote printer in there.
[04:00] <ekontsevoy> How do I add that remote printer to my machine?
[04:00] <mzz> pepee: (see also the notes about "NOT RELEASED" and "may break your system" in the topic here)
[04:01] <mzz> pepee: if you don't know how to get information out I'd seriously consider reinstalling a previous version and waiting for the release or rc before trying karmic again
[04:01] <pepee> mzz: I think I can repair it if I could get a shell with the fs mounted as read-write
[04:01] <pepee> (the shell says is a read-only fs)
[04:01] <mzz> ok, so do that
[04:02] <mzz> you already said you have a shell, so just "mount -o remount,rw /"
[04:02] <pepee> mzz: I don't know how...
[04:02] <pepee> ok, I will try
[04:02] <pepee> :)
[04:02] <mzz> perhaps I'm being rude, but if you're as lost as I get the impression you are if the system doesn't boot properly I *strongly* recommend you don't test unreleased ubuntus
[04:03] <pepee> mzz: it was a temptation XD
[04:03] <mzz> (especially ones where the boot process got a major overhaul, like what happened in karmic with grub 2 + upstart migration)
[04:03] <ekontsevoy> When I go to "Printer Configuration" in Ubuntu, it asks me for my root username/password. I give it my name/password but it won't take it. WTF?
[04:04] <mzz> ekontsevoy: if a remote cups user is involved it's probably asking for that system's root account, although I don't know how that's actually handled on ubuntu with its default-disabled root account
[04:04] <oldude67> ekontsevoy, have you checked to see if an update has taken you out of all your pw groups?
[04:04] <alankila> ekontsevoy: is your user account part of lpadmin group?
[04:04] <ekontsevoy> Solved: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-921187.html
[04:05] <pepee> mzz: yeah I know it's dangerous, but karmic seems good
[04:05] <pepee> well, thanks
[04:05] <pepee> I'll come back if i did it (or not)
[04:05] <pepee> bye
[04:20] <Teddy_> Who do I have to poke to get my package updated in Karmic?
[04:22] <durt> Teddy_, find out the package maintainer from packages.ubuntu.com
[04:22] <mzz> Teddy_: your timing is a bit unfortunate though
[04:24] <Teddy_> durt: Where does it say who the maintainer is?
[04:24] <durt> Teddy_, ya, not gonna happen unless it's a big security fix.
[04:24] <durt> uh to the right of the screen? what package?
[04:25] <Teddy_> Bah, the package entered Debian testing a friggin' month ago.  I thought that would be enough.
[04:25] <Teddy_> durt: It only says "Ubuntu MOTU Developers"...
[04:26] <durt> then it's probably coming in from debian there is no 'Ubuntu' maintainer.
[04:27] <Teddy_> durt: That still leaves the question of who I should poke to get the packaged updated from Debian testing...  There *are* a couple of important bug fixes there.
[04:27] <philwyett> Teddy_, What is the package?
[04:28] <Teddy_> philwyett: mandos
[04:28] <DoctorLes> Good evening.  Have people heard of problems with Xserver crashing at login screen with either Nvidia or ATI graphics?
[04:28] <durt> the debian maintainer
[04:28] <mzz> Teddy_: I'd expect this to involve a bug, but I don't know how to best mark it as urgent. Might want to ask on #ubuntu-motu, afaik.
[04:28] <Teddy_> durt: *I* am the debian maintainer...  I'm not a Debian Developer, so we (the development team) get the packackage sponsored by a DD every time.
[04:30] <bugscrash> Help: Install a ubuntu 9.10 and the hp tx2 touchsmarc (touch) dont work.
[04:30] <Teddy_> mzz: Thanks, will do.
[04:30] <durt> Teddy_, first, to get it from the horses mouth I'd ask in #ubuntu-devel, but my idea of what happens is that the debian packages are brought in from debian stable every 6 months at the begininng of the dev cycle.
[04:31] <bugscrash> Help: Install a ubuntu 9.10 and the hp tx2 touchsmarc (touch) dont work.  (win7 and win-vista) work fine.
[04:32] <Teddy_> durt: Well...  The very previous version of the package *was* updated from Debian testing without any prompting from me.
[04:32] <Teddy_> durt: ...and that was *not* six months ago.
[04:34] <oorah> i don't know much about Linux, so I feel like i'm contributing by reporting bugs i find in betas
[04:34] <durt> Teddy_, beyond my ken then, ask in either #ubuntu-devel or even better for universe (debian packages) #ubuntu-motu
[04:35] <Teddy_> durt: Thanks, I am asking in #ubuntu-motu right now, but it seems very dead in there...
[04:35] <jimpop> oorah, you are absolutely one of the best people to be reporting bugs.  User Experience feedback is hard to gain.
[04:35] <oorah> is user feedback really that hard to gain? one would think everyone wants the best product possible
[04:37] <jimpop> oorah, yes. the problem is experienced linux users don't do the same things that new linux users might.
[04:37] <jimpop> and understanding new users is the hardest thing to achieve
[04:38] <oorah> jimpop, i'm not new, just that i don't know how to modify and fix stuff. i just pretty much use it
[04:38] <jimpop> gotcha
[04:38] <oorah> but google is a wonderful tool
[04:39] <bisby> cool
[04:39] <bisby> in 9.10 i have internal audio and SB xfi. internal audio profile set to off, sb xfi set to stereo out, mono in.  The XFi microphone doesnt work at all. Any suggestions?
[04:55] <Varth> Whenever I try to open a folder from my Places menu, it gives me an error, saying, that there is no application associated with the folder. Does anyone know what's going on?
[05:03] <MJEvans> I'm having problems with the 9.10-beta x86 installer; ubiquity seems normal accepts my manual partitions of /dev/sda3 (1536mb) as swap and 80+gb sda4 as / (ext4), I tell it I want to Migrate Documents and Settings from the windows accounts it finds (dad, mom, sis), and then on step 7 it flashes up something too briefly for me to see and appears to crash.  How can I find more information about what went wrong?
[05:05] <bisby> Have you tried it without migrating documents and settings?
[05:06] <MJEvans> bisby: no; will I get the option to do that later?  I was previously trying Linux Mint; but after install there was no migration option and it -looked- like ubuntu might do that.
[05:06] <MJEvans> Not in 9.04 (already on my laptop) but -maybe- in 9.10
[05:07] <bisby> MJEvans: i dont know if there is an option to migrate later off the top of my head, just was curious if it was possible to isolate the crash to migrating
[05:07] <MJEvans> I will try; if it fails to migrate the settings there's no point, they won't want to switch.
[05:08] <MJEvans> I didn't check the cd-image for defects...
[05:08] <MJEvans> I'm now also running md5sum -c on the md5sum.txt file
[05:11] <MJEvans> I seriously loath the lag time every time I make a -small- change in the partitioning step.
[05:11] <bisby> i noticed that too. Im not having much fun with my soundcard either.
[05:12] <MJEvans> oh, you want to mount the /windows partition?  Let me rescan everything even though the actual partition layout didn't change at all.
[05:12] <assoguerozen_sx> someone here knows how to install Moffice 2007?
[05:12] <jimpop> in a world of single user PCs/laptops, why should consolekit be mandatory software?
[05:13] <dash> anybody know stuff about flash not responding to mouseclicks? i used to think it was a compiz issue but it seems broken under metacity now too
[05:13] <mzz> can't say I've noticed it
[05:13] <MJEvans> assoguerozen_sx: try setting up wine (please verify wine's app-db includes MS Office 2007 and has good or better support).  I don't see why wine setup would be any different under 9.10 then 9.04 though; you might ask in normal #ubuntu
[05:13] <mzz> dash: page it fails on?
[05:14] <dash> Hmm
[05:14] <dash> ok i guess this is a distinct issue from before, it's working for youtube
[05:14] <assoguerozen_sx> MJEvans yeah ok, the point is... even with wine, thats a hard task to do
[05:14] <dash> but failing for pandora.com
[05:15] <mzz> "We are deeply, deeply sorry to say that due to licensing constraints, we can no longer allow access to Pandora for listeners located outside of the U.S."
[05:15] <MJEvans> bisby: all the md5sum -c md5sum.txt passed;  I tried installing it w/o importing any documents/settings, error is reproduced exactly.  It popped up a small window, as if it were about to display a console, then crashed and vanished.
[05:15] <mzz> that is: you need a different guinea pig
[05:15] <dash> Yeah
[05:16] <dash> ah well.
[05:17] <dash> the bizarre thing is I can click on stuff for the first like give seconds
[05:17] <bisby> MJEvans: Hmmm. well obviously not a migration issue, not a disk issue. Potentially incompatible hardware?
[05:17] <dash> then it stops responding
[05:17] <jimpop> mzz, Pandora is nicer than trying to watch YouTube in Istanbul.
[05:18] <MJEvans> bisby: I'm not sure what could crash... It's just an old AMD k7 box
[05:18] <MJEvans> bisby: I manually added sda4, trying it now
[05:19] <jimpop> does anyone know if irgbalance is still necessary with SMP kernels?  or does the kernel now handle this internally?
[05:20] <mzz> jimpop: last time I read about this the kernel should be doing something reasonable internally, I *think*
[05:20] <jimpop> er.  s/irg/irq/
[05:20] <mzz> jimpop: this is from pretty fuzzy memory though.
[05:20] <jimpop> mzz, ok
[05:20] <jimpop> i've notice that irqbalance isn't an Ubuntu favorite package
[05:22] <MJEvans> bisby: ok it hates that... (I'm trying to get it to do the right thing w/o manual mode)
[05:23] <Amaranth> jimpop: most users don't use evolution, let's toss it too
[05:23] <bisby> MJEvans, dont know what to tell ya, i havent had any hiccups installing linux since gentoo (when i used sdb1 instead of sda1 and wiped my entire drive) so i havent had to tweak with install stuff too much
[05:24] <Amaranth> heck, who uses openoffice.org?
[05:24] <MJEvans> [ 2325.681116] end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
[05:24] <MJEvans> I think I might need to disable the floppy drive in the bios...
[05:24] <leaf-sheep> Amaranth: Err what? I just joined in. No evolution and openoffice? :\
[05:24] <MJEvans> Stupid CD
[05:24] <jimpop> Amaranth, I agree
[05:24] <bisby> MJEvans does the thing even have a floppy drive?
[05:25] <jimpop> Amaranth, the fact that a base Ubuntu desktop depends on evolution-data-server-common is mind boggling
[05:25] <Amaranth> jimpop: The problem is, we're aiming for a useful general purpose OS, not a "perfectly customized for jimpop" OS
[05:25] <dash> jimpop: why does that boggle?
[05:25] <Amaranth> evolution-data-server is actually used for more than evolution
[05:25] <Amaranth> it's a general purpose contact, calendar, etc storage system
[05:26] <dash> it's used by the calendar/todo list you get when you click on the clock in the gnome panel
[05:26]  * Amaranth pokes at launchpad
[05:26] <Amaranth> Ideally it'd be used by empathy too
[05:26] <Amaranth> Dunno if it is or not
[05:26] <mzz> jimpop: I can't find any info actually backing up my claims offhand, so I might've been wrong
[05:27] <jimpop> mzz: ok
[05:27] <jimpop> Amaranth, at some point too much is, well, perceived as too much (bloat)
[05:28] <jimpop> i've notice that "ps -ef | wc -l" gets higher and higher with each Ubuntu release
[05:28] <MJEvans> bisby: it does, BUT it's not connected anymore.
[05:28] <jimpop> df -k too
[05:28] <Amaranth> jimpop: One man's bloat is another man's essential feature
[05:28] <dash> jimpop: you want software that does less? :)
[05:28] <jimpop> dash, so do other netbook owners
[05:29] <Amaranth> jimpop: Most people only use 20% of the features of any application. The problem is it's a different 20% for each user
[05:29] <Amaranth> jimpop: netbook users shouldn't be running regular ubuntu ;)
[05:29] <dash> yeah that's why there's netbook remix
[05:29] <dash> failing that, you can always just do a server install
[05:29] <dash> (which is what I usually do)
[05:29] <jimpop> Amaranth, that's what packages are for.  Shoehorning it into one big install inter-dependent on each other, is not the optimal way
[05:29] <dash> jimpop: What
[05:30] <jimpop> dash: what what?
[05:30] <Amaranth> jimpop: so you complain about the number of processes but then you just told me we need to split things into even more processes
[05:30] <dash> jimpop: ubuntu is made of packages
[05:30] <jimpop> Amaranth, no
[05:30] <Amaranth> jimpop: perhaps you want gentoo instead, sounds like you want USE flags
[05:30] <jimpop> Amaranth, more packages
[05:30] <jimpop> perhaps
[05:30] <dash> jimpop: so I don't understand what you're complaining about?
[05:30] <dash> haha, gentoo.
[05:30] <jimpop> dash: bloat
[05:30] <Amaranth> dash: _everything_
[05:31] <dash> jimpop: I hear that word all the time but I still don't know what it means
[05:31] <Amaranth> This is becoming a daily ritual
[05:31] <jimpop> everything above reasonalbe
[05:31] <pepee> mzz, success!!
[05:31] <Amaranth> It seems rather obvious to me that you don't actually want to use Ubuntu
[05:31] <pepee> :D I'm so happy
[05:31] <dash> mmkay
[05:31] <Amaranth> But you use it and complain about it instead
[05:31] <pepee> thanks man
[05:31] <jimpop> Amaranth, i want to use what Ubuntu once stood for
[05:31] <mzz> yay
[05:31] <dash> jimpop: i bet you can still get a warty CD :)
[05:31] <pepee> I'm now writing from ubuntu karmic
[05:31] <dash> pepee: hooray.
[05:31] <Amaranth> jimpop: As far as I'm aware we've always had the same goal
[05:31] <pepee> kde 4.3.2
[05:32] <jimpop> Amaranth, it's changed
[05:32] <Amaranth> jimpop: Not that I can see
[05:32] <pepee> thank you very much!!
[05:32] <mzz> dash: hey, this gentoo install still hasn't blown up completely, even though I keep throwing in silly experimental stuff
[05:32] <Amaranth> jimpop: My goal for it certainly hasn't
[05:32] <jimpop> it's now more about being more like Windows
[05:32] <dash> jimpop: did you ever read bug #1
[05:32] <Amaranth> err, no
[05:32] <mzz> jimpop: if you don't want a fullblown desktop just don't install the ubuntu-desktop meta
[05:32] <jimpop> oh yes
[05:33] <Amaranth> jimpop: #ubuntu-offtopic is where we can discuss this further
[05:33] <jimpop> i don't have u-d installed
[05:33] <mzz> jimpop: (and consider using a different installer so you don't get that meta out of the box if it bugs you that much)
[05:33] <jimpop> hah
[05:34] <mzz> also, notice that most of the extra stuff a fullblown ubuntu-desktop install runs doesn't actually consume resources other than ram and startup time
[05:34] <Amaranth> I think the core problem is you misunderstood the goal though
[05:34] <jimpop> mzz, it's not so much the out-of-the-box for some one like me who can dpkg --purge... it's the intertwined dependencies and the incessant desire by developers to intertwine pkgs I don't care to use.
[05:35] <mzz> jimpop: shrug, then I agree with others that making *all* those deps optional just isn't worth it
[05:35] <jimpop> perhaps
[05:35] <MJEvans> bisby: that wasn't the solution either... trying to get the latest packages
[05:35] <Amaranth> Right, we're not going to make a 'xorg-noconsolekit' package or whatever
[05:35] <Jordan_U> jimpop: Setting apt so that it doesn't install reccomended dependencies automatically may help
[05:36] <Amaranth> If you want such granularity you want gentoo
[05:36] <jimpop> Jordan_U, that's not the issue here
[05:37] <jimpop> i can probably count 50 pkgs that i would like to remove (for various reasons) but can't because core components depend on them
[05:37] <Amaranth> jimpop: Name one instead
[05:37] <jimpop> evolution-data-server-common
[05:37] <jimpop> finger
[05:38] <jimpop> radeon pkgs (i have a different vid card)
[05:38] <jimpop> do i need to go on?
[05:38] <Amaranth> gnome-panel needs eds-common for the clock calendar
[05:38] <Amaranth> this is the same on every distro
[05:38] <Amaranth> and has been the case since warty
[05:38] <jimpop> and it's wrong
[05:38] <Amaranth> and tell upstream
[05:38] <jimpop> they are aware ;-)
[05:38] <Amaranth> let them laugh at you
[05:39] <jimpop> they laugh at you too
[05:39] <Amaranth> finger is used for acpi-support
[05:39] <jimpop> i don't enable acpi
[05:39] <Amaranth> you don't have a laptop
[05:39] <Amaranth> jimpop: Actually I am upstream :P
[05:39] <jimpop> i do
[05:40] <Amaranth> and you can remove the radeon driver package
[05:40] <Jordan_U> jimpop: I just removed xserver-xorg-video-ati without issue, did you mean something else?
[05:40] <jimpop> not all of them
[05:40] <jimpop> libdrm-radeon1
[05:41] <Amaranth> ok that one is actually a bug
[05:41] <Amaranth> file it please
[05:41] <MJEvans> ubuquity installer crashed again;  Is there any way I can collect some actual data on -why- it crashed?
[05:41] <jimpop> it's not so much all the individual pkgs... it's the whole attitude that none of them are worth cleaning up or straightening out
[05:41] <Amaranth> jimpop: you're going to _hate_ GNOME 3
[05:41] <Amaranth> jimpop: You can't remove any of the components of it
[05:41] <jimpop> right
[05:42] <jimpop> perhaps windows 8 will be more modular.....
[05:42] <Amaranth> What do you expect Ubuntu to do about GNOME? We just package stuff
[05:42]  * DanaG will never give up Compiz.  Never.  You can pry it from my cold, dead fingers, so to speak.
[05:43] <jimpop> Amaranth, Ubuntu needs to get beyond packaging, IMHO
[05:43] <MJEvans> jimpop: to what?
[05:43] <Amaranth> jimpop: Sure, just pay me for full time development and I'll get right on that :)
[05:43] <Jordan_U> jimpop: And with what resources?
[05:44] <jimpop> MJEvans, to developing a solid solution that isn't buit on top of someone else's issues
[05:44] <jimpop> Amaranth, ;-) i wish i could
[05:44] <Amaranth> s/someone else's/Fedora's/
[05:44] <MJEvans> jimpop: what does that mean?
[05:44] <jimpop> Jordan_U, that's the issue.
[05:45] <jimpop> Amaranth, s/someone else's/Debian/
[05:45] <jimpop> MJEvans, these dependency issues, they are mostly upstream errors/designs
[05:45] <Amaranth> jimpop: actually most of the major new stuff in GNOME is coming from Fedora/Red Hat people
[05:45] <jimpop> similar then
[05:46] <jimpop> here's another... i don't have bluetooth or wifi on some server hardware.... guess what U Server installs....
[05:46] <mzz> so uninstall the stuff that bugs you
[05:47] <Amaranth> jimpop: stuff that like is using disk space, no more
[05:48]  * Amaranth wonders why his fan won't slow down
[05:48] <Jordan_U> jimpop: Use the minimal install CD if you don't want a general solution, unless you are talking about modules in the kernel package, ( in which case I still don't see it as a problem )
[05:48] <Amaranth> nothing is chewing CPU...
[05:48] <jimpop> look, I sound like I'm gripping, but I not.  I think Karmic is coming together fine.   But, in order for me (and others) to use it there have been some hoops to jump through, and those are hoops that new Ubuntu users just aren't going to put up with
[05:48] <alteregoa> hell oh
[05:48] <alteregoa> does the 190 driver support cuda?
[05:48] <Amaranth> jimpop: You mean in order to use it without having things installed that don't matter
[05:49] <jimpop> Amaranth, from a sec audit standpoint, yet
[05:49] <mzz> err
[05:49] <MJEvans> jimpop: Like the INSTALLER BREAKING?
[05:49] <jimpop> s/yet/yes/
[05:49] <mzz> jimpop: it's installing extra stuff to have fewer hoops to jump through (in case you add hardware later), I'm pretty sure
[05:49] <jimpop> no, like the installer installing unnecessary components
[05:49] <mzz> insert comment about having cake and eating it too here
[05:49] <Jordan_U> jimpop: Use the minimal install
[05:49] <MJEvans> jimpop: un-necessary but working is OK
[05:49] <jimpop> MJEvans, that too ;-)
[05:49] <MJEvans> jimpop: what's the fix for that BTW?
[05:50] <jimpop> MJEvans, bluetooth on server installs?
[05:50] <Amaranth> jimpop: You're deploying Ubuntu somewhere where you have to audit everything? You should be building your own Ubuntu spin and/or have a support contract with Canonical so they improve things for you
[05:50] <Jordan_U> jimpop: Anything else is not meant for people who want a minimal installation, use the options provided to you
[05:50] <MJEvans> jimpop: The installer breaking.  I cannot seem to get 9.10 Beta x86 to install from the CD
[05:51] <jimpop> MJEvans, works for me.  What is the breaking point?
[05:51] <Amaranth> MJEvans: try the latest nightly disc and/or file a bug
[05:51] <MJEvans> Step 6/7
[05:51] <mzz> MJEvans: does it still let you launch apps and/or ctrl+alt+f1 out of the installer at the point where it breaks?
[05:51] <MJEvans> mzz: I can run the installer from the live shell
[05:51] <mzz> MJEvans: it should be writing a log somewhere, although I don't recall offhand where
[05:51] <mzz> also, see the notes in the topic about "may break your system" etc
[05:52] <Amaranth> If you're in this channel you're expected to file bugs for things like this then _maybe_ figure out a workaround (although it's preferred that you don't so you can test the fix too)
[05:52] <MJEvans> Amaranth: I have no idea what log files are involved.
[05:52] <mzz> jimpop: it really sounds like you and ubuntu have very conflicting goals
[05:52] <Amaranth> MJEvans: That's what `ubuntu-bug ubiquity` is for
[05:52] <mzz> jimpop: I wouldn't expect the average ubuntu user to audit everything he runs, I'd expect him/her to rely on canonical doing that
[05:52] <MJEvans> If it actuall spat out an error then I -could- file bugs and start to track down what it did... huh Amaranth ? ubuntu-bug?
[05:53] <jimpop> mzz that's not the way corp America works
[05:53] <Amaranth> MJEvans: it's a command that automatically attaches commonly requested information to bug reports
[05:53] <mzz> and perhaps I'm just being whiny/elitist, but I'd expect people testing ubuntu+1 to at least *try* and locate the logs for a failing installer
[05:53] <alteregoa> vdpau uses less cpu
[05:55] <MJEvans> rdp enabled on that system...
[05:58] <Varth> I'm having some problems with the beta, which I've typed out here: http://pastebin.com/d7e3a833c
[05:58] <Varth> Can anyone help me out?
[05:59] <mzz> Varth: ~/.xsession-errors?
[06:09] <Varth> When I log in, 9.10B fails to load a window manager (either compiz or metacity) and nautilus. Does anyone know why it would be doing this?
[06:11] <mzz> Varth: can you pastebin ~/.xsession-errors?
[06:12] <mzz> although tbh I'm not even 100% sure what actually starts the wm. Might be gnome-settings-daemon.
[06:13] <Varth> mzz: http://pastebin.com/d5ad9694a
[06:14] <MJEvans> Bottom line, should I be able to install to hard disk off of an Ubuntu 9.10 Beta x86 CD (literal release)?
[06:15] <mzz> Varth: that reads as if compiz is actually starting, but doesn't work afterwards
[06:15] <mzz> Varth: have you checked (using "ps" or the like) that neither compiz nor metacity is actually running?
[06:15] <mzz> MJEvans: probably
[06:15] <Varth> No. It appears as though neither of them are running.
[06:15] <mzz> MJEvans: I've successfully done so off the alternate cd
[06:16] <mzz> Varth: define "appears"
[06:16] <mzz> Varth: if "appears" mean "I don't get any title bars" it's not the right value of "appears" :P
[06:16] <MJEvans> mzz: I'm using the normal one.
[06:16] <Varth> mzz: That's what I'm seeing. So maybe it's still running, even though it's not showing up correctly?
[06:17] <mzz> MJEvans: I didn't use that one, because it doesn't support lvm. See earlier question about logs
[06:17] <mzz> Varth: that'd be my guess. So can you get to a terminal (or ctrl+alt+f1 out) and run "ps -feH|grep compiz"?
[06:18] <Varth> mzz: To check that, I'm going to have to log out and then back in, as I started compiz manually for this session. I'll be right back.
[06:22] <Varth> mzz: This is what the command that you gave me returns: nathan    6544  6415  0 00:20 tty2     00:00:00       grep compiz
[06:23] <Varth> mzz: So compiz isn't running, if I'm reading that right.
[06:23] <mzz> Varth: ok, so really not running. Can you pastebin ~/.xsession-errors again *before* manually starting compiz?
[06:23] <Varth> mzz: Yeah.
[06:29] <Varth> mzz: http://pastebin.com/d1f287b83
[06:29] <Varth> mzz: Also, thank you for the help.
[06:30] <mzz> ok, no compiz in that, so it's really not starting
[06:30] <mzz> sec
[06:30] <bisby> anyone happen to know a thing or two about Creative X-Fi sound cards? or know of a channel where people do?
[06:31] <mzz> Varth: hmm, looks like gnome-session really should be starting it
[06:31] <mzz> trying to find what tells it to
[06:32] <GuyFromHell> Is anyone else getting major dependency failure on firefox at the moment?
[06:33] <alteregoa> !ubuttu islam
[06:33] <GuyFromHell> http://gist.github.com/211593
[06:35] <mzz> Varth: does running gnome-wm successfully launch some wm (either metacity or compiz)?
[06:36] <Varth> Running gnome-wm gives me compiz.
[06:37] <mzz> GuyFromHell: installing libmozjs-dev would toast most other mozilla stuff, yes.
[06:37] <mzz> Varth: bah. Let me dig further...
[06:37] <mzz> Varth: I guess I'd try from a guest session or temporary user account to see if this is a system-wide issue or a local config one
[06:38] <mzz> s/local/user/
[06:38] <Varth> mzz: Gotcha
[06:38] <mzz> Varth: I can't find any obvious gui ways to turn gnome-session starting a wm off, but there are probably a few non-gui ones
[06:40] <MJEvans> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/452796
[06:41] <MJEvans> Is there a 'daily' rebuild cd?
[06:41] <mzz> GuyFromHell: specifically xulrunner-1.9.1 and libmozjs-dev conflict
[06:42] <mzz> MJEvans: the beta cd isn't generally completely broken, I'm pretty sure. Have you made any progress figuring out what actually breaks?
[06:42] <MJEvans> mzz: It matches a bug that was already closed.  Knowing how much they -love- to re-open bugs...
[06:42] <mzz> MJEvans: ah, ok
[06:43] <mzz> sorry, don't know where to find a newer cd
[06:43] <MJEvans> mzz: also, I did update just ubiquity to 2.0.0; but it might be a dependency issue; hence wanting the very latest cd.
[06:44] <Varth> mzz: It works just fine under a new account.
[06:45] <mzz> Varth: hmm, ok. Got anything suspicious in ~/.config/autostart?
[06:45] <mzz> tbh I'm not sure how you managed this, and I'm no good at debugging gnome-session
[06:47] <Varth> mzz: Nothing suspicious there.
[06:47] <Varth> mzz: Thanks for the help. I think I'll just migrate my stuff over to the new account.
[06:47] <MJEvans> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ has Alternate install disks... but what of the -normal- install disk?
[06:47] <Varth> mzz: As I have NO CLUE what is going on.
[06:48] <mzz> Varth: might make sense, although I'd consider throwing a few likely greps over your current dir, like fgrep -r gnome-wm ~/.g*
[06:48] <mzz> (and the same one over ~/.local)
[06:48] <Varth> mzz; Thanks.
[06:49] <mzz> err, make that ~/.gn* ~/.gconf*
[06:49]  * mzz glares at ~/.gvfs
[06:50] <mzz> bah, missed him.
[06:52] <pepee> hi, I think the qemu package have a (really strange...) problem of broken(?) dependencies
[06:53] <mzz> clarify?
[06:53] <pepee> aptitude install qemu will install wemu-kvm
[06:53] <pepee> *qemu-kvm
[06:54] <pepee> but if I install it, and execute aptitude once again, it says it's broken...
[06:54] <mzz> define "it says it's broken"
[06:54] <pepee> and try to remove it
[06:55] <mzz> please pastebin relevant output
[06:55] <pepee> ok, wait, is in spanish
[06:55] <alankila> I can actually confirm this. qemu depends on qemu-kvm but they probably conflict with each other
[06:56] <spiraliz> quemu has broken dependencies according to apt-get
[06:56] <alankila> yep, qemu-kvm conflicts with qemu, and qemu depends on qemu-kvm.
[06:57] <mzz> ah hey, you're right
[06:57] <pepee> but there is a "qemu" package?
[06:57] <mzz> pepee: just don't install qemu, install qemu-kvm
[06:57] <alankila> sure there is, but it's just not installable.
[06:57] <mzz> qemu is a transitional package that broke
[06:58] <mzz> there are/w 45
[06:58] <mzz> err
[06:58] <pepee> hmm ok, that's obvious, but I didn't think that...
[06:58] <alankila> what about people whose cpu can't do virtualization?
[06:58] <spiraliz> pepee, mybe you want the qemulator package ?
[06:59] <pepee> sorry
[06:59] <pepee> I want this: qemu-system-x86_64
[06:59] <alankila> pepee: qemu-kvm provides that, and if you have a cpu better than early 64-bit amd cpus it'll virtualize with hardware
[07:00] <alankila> (you may have to go to BIOS to enable the virtualization mode, there are BIOSes that disable this because of the fear that rootkits and viruses could use virtualization to hide themselves.)
[07:00] <pepee> alankila, yes, I know, that's what I was searching for
[07:01] <pepee> I have qemu from mmm hardy?
[07:01] <mzz> pepee: apt-file search confirms that's in qemu-kvm
[07:03] <alankila> I wonder if 64-bit vista would be finally installable in kvm... never worked before, but they've made slow progress getting even the 64-bit guest virtualization to work more transparently
[07:03] <spiraliz> hm, when disabling the built-in wireless on my laptop, it completely disables ALL wireless networking. is this a bug, or a new feature ?
[07:03] <mzz> spiraliz: feature
[07:03] <spiraliz> that sucks
[07:03] <mzz> spiraliz: for more fine-grained disconnecting use the network-manager applet
[07:04] <spiraliz> sure, but i need to do that after each reboot
[07:05] <mzz> spiraliz: also: if you consistently don't want to use one wireless card I'd consider just blacklisting its driver module
[07:05] <spiraliz> yea, probably my only option
[07:06] <spiraliz> still. it's a bad feature
[07:07] <mzz> I just don't know many use cases for having more than one network card, other than having old builtin wireless and newer non-builtin wireless
[07:09] <spiraliz> the built-in gives me bad connection when fare away from the accesspoint
[07:09] <spiraliz> well, in karmic both of them sucks
[07:12] <pepee> the best way for me to get working the wireless net is to configure it by hand...
[07:13] <spiraliz> any good reason karmic gives poor signals ?. in jaunty it was fine
[07:14] <pepee> maybe because of the driver? I have no idea...
[07:14] <pepee> what card is it?
[07:15] <pepee> I have one script for it, and it just work
[07:16] <pepee> spiraliz, try: iwlist <interface> scan | less
[07:17] <pepee> the signal indicator is "Signal level", the more the better
[07:17] <spiraliz> it's some belkin usb thingie
[07:17] <spiraliz> it's  at 40%
[07:18] <arrrghhh> hey all, i'm having issues with an ralink-based wifi card.  neither the rt2800usb (default) or rt2870sta (suggested) drivers work...
[07:19] <arrrghhh> plus, i can't compile ralink's drivers, i get error 2 on the make...
[07:19] <pepee> arrrghhh, pastebin
[07:19] <pepee> arrrghhh, but I think it's not necessary to compile them
[07:21] <pepee> spiraliz, lsmod | grep rt2x00
[07:21] <arrrghhh> pepee, what would you like me to pastebin?  the error compiling the drivers?  at this point i don't really care how i get them working, so long as i do.
[07:22] <spiraliz> pepee, don't output anything
[07:22] <arrrghhh> i'm not using the rt2800usb driver.  that one recognized the card, but no networks showed.  the rt2870sta driver works as well, and some networks show but i can't connect to my own.
[07:23] <pepee> arrrghhh, I think that's not related to the driver itself
[07:24] <arrrghhh> i'm not sure what you mean by that.
[07:25] <pepee> spiraliz, lsusb | grep -E "etwork|irel"
[07:26] <pepee> arrrghhh, I think that you have to configure them
[07:26] <pepee> arrrghhh, do you know how to use iwconfig, iwlist, ifconfig?
[07:27] <arrrghhh> peepsalot, yes
[07:29] <spiraliz> Bus 002 Device 006: ID 050d:705c Belkin Components F5D7050 v4000 Wireless Adapter
[07:29] <pepee> arrrghhh, hmm is not the same as my wifi card (rt73 usb)
[07:30] <spiraliz> seems it uses the zd1211b driver
[07:30] <arrrghhh> pepee, i've tried everything i can find.  nothing works.  i haven't tried ndiswrapper, and i haven't been able to compile their driver by hand.
[07:31] <pepee> arrrghhh, and is not supported by rt2x00
[07:32] <pepee> yes, they are: http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5121
[07:33] <bullgard> I am using Karmic Beta and still grub 0.97-29ubuntu58. The upcoming upgrade to Karmic final release will probably ask me if I would like to keep my old grub or if I would accept the maintainer's version. Will the maintainer's version install Grub 2 without any harm on my computer?
[07:35] <pepee> arrrghhh, try using the driver from serialmonkey
[07:35] <Frickelpit> bullgard: No, you have to install Grub2 after Upgrade from Jaunty to Karmic afaik.
[07:36] <arrrghhh> pepee, how do i installl their driver?
[07:38] <bullgard> Frickelpit: Right. --  Thank you.
[07:38] <arrrghhh> excuse my ignorance.  i don't understand how to install any drivers from that thread you sent me.
[07:39] <pepee> download it from rt2x00.serialmonkey.com, compile it and then install it
[07:40] <arrrghhh> hrm
[07:40] <arrrghhh> i'll keep poking...
[07:40] <pepee> arrrghhh, http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php?title=Rt2x00_GIT_instructions
[07:41] <arrrghhh> ah thank you!
[07:43] <oldude67> well im glad im not like the rest of the people and running karmic in a virtualbox, xp still boots no problem.:D
[07:44] <pepee> arrrghhh, what kernel version do you have installed?
[07:47] <lodder_> grub2 not automatic updated after installing new kernel, did I forget to install something?
[07:47] <arrrghhh> looks like 2.6.31-14-generic
[07:47] <mzz> lodder_: that normally does happen automagically via a trigger
[07:47] <pepee> lodder_, aptitude install grub2
[07:47] <mzz> err, no, grub-pc iirc
[07:47] <mzz> lodder_: does a manual update-grub fix it?
[07:48] <pepee> mzz, installed that way for me
[07:48] <mzz> pepee: apt-cache show grub2: "This is a dummy transitional package..."
[07:49] <lodder_> what do I need to do now?
[07:49] <pepee> arrrghhh, do you have the packages "linux-headers" and "linux-source" ?
[07:49] <arrrghhh> pepee, isn't that the "default" karmic kernel?
[07:49] <arrrghhh> pepee, i have linux-headers-`uname -r` and linux-source i believe
[07:49] <lodder_> udate-grub fixed it
[07:49] <lodder_> thx
[07:50] <lodder_> going to reboot now
[07:50] <arrrghhh> well linux-source wouldn't install, so it s/b installed.
[07:50] <mzz> you shouldn't need linux-source normally
[07:50] <mzz> you should only need linux-headers if you need extra modules compiled, although iirc that one is pulled in by default
[07:51] <mzz> linux-source is pretty huge and unnecessary
[07:51] <oldude67> Linux ugh 2.6.31-14-generic #47-Ubuntu SMP Thu Oct 15 02:08:08 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[07:51] <oldude67>  , i believe is the newest kernel that we are running.
[07:51] <arrrghhh> mzz, i don't get why sudo make is failing on this build then.
[07:52] <mzz> err, "sudo make"?
[07:52]  * mzz reads backlog
[07:52] <arrrghhh> mzz, i'm trying to build ralink drivers.
[07:52] <mzz> arrrghhh: don't sudo your make, and consider using backports-modules instead of compiling by hand
[07:52] <pepee> arrrghhh, make  and then  sudo make install
[07:53] <pepee> ./configure if needed, and read the README/INSTALL if any
[07:53] <arrrghhh> mzz, someone suggested that backports-modules before... how do i install that?  every meta-package seemed to fail.
[07:53] <arrrghhh> i still get error 2 on make
[07:53] <pepee> paste them
[07:53] <mzz> arrrghhh: apt-get install linux-backports-modules-karmic, I think
[07:53] <pepee> or google them...
[07:55] <cdm10> it seems the synaptic backend for update-manager is now the default... does anyone know why that decision was made?
[07:56] <Firewing> greetings! does anyone have a clue how to disable the annoing little sound when gdm is ready? before karmic one could use gdm-setup to disable it, but now gdm-setup was castrated and i find no sufficient replacement for it.
[07:57] <mzz> Firewing: bug 437429 which I've been meaning to fix but haven't gotten around to yet
[07:57] <Firewing> thank you
[07:57] <mzz> Firewing: assuming the gconftool commands there actually work it shouldn't be *that* hard to add ui for it (famous last words...)
[07:57] <pepee> I can't find linux-headers for my kernel
[07:58] <Firewing> mzz, in my experience UI is _always_ hard ;)
[07:58] <arrrghhh> mzz, well i actually was able to install those backports finally... i swear i tried that package haha!  so do i reboot?  how do i try these "new" drivers?
[07:59] <mzz> arrrghhh: probably reboot, yes.
[07:59] <mzz> arrrghhh: been a while since I used them myself though.
[07:59] <pepee> forget what I said...
[07:59] <arrrghhh> mzz, ok thanks.
[08:02] <Firewing> mzz: btw u set gconf values with gconftool, am i right? so should i be able to access that configuration through the gconf-editor?
[08:02] <pepee> bye, and thanks for helping me
[08:02] <mzz> Firewing: only if it's possible to run gconf-editor as the gdm user
[08:03] <mzz> Firewing: I haven't looked into how the actual gdm config ui handles writing there (assuming it does)
[08:06] <MJEvans> mzz: Somehow, I'm guessing that using the alternate installer and thus not ubiquity will allow me to proceed.
[08:10] <Firewing> mzz: after looking around in gconf i fear thats not configured through there (which is indeed bad). There is only a simple_greeter config tree, no graphical_greeter tree. for now i used the workaround mentioned in the bug report.
[08:10] <spiraliz> anyone else have a 'not-working' xconsole ?
[08:13] <Firewing> spiraliz, u mean with the message: "Couldn'T open console", or how 'not-working'?
[08:13] <spiraliz> it starts. but it's not displaying anything
[08:15] <Boohbah> lusty llama!
[08:15] <maco> Boohbah: its lucid lynx
[08:15] <Firewing> but lusty llama sounds cute :3
[08:15] <spiraliz> Firewing, it's completely dead. no responce at all when inserting usb drives or anything
[08:16] <Firewing> spiraliz, never tested it before, but yes mine is not working either
[08:19] <topyli> what's an x console?
[08:20] <Firewing> monitores the sys-log in a x-window
[08:21] <Firewing> well more accuratly it monitres /dev/console
[08:21] <topyli> ohh yes
[08:22] <topyli> well if makes you feel better, mine doesn't work either :)
[08:35] <Boohbah> will lynx be the default browser in lynx?
[08:36] <topyli> yeah, with lucida fonts
[08:38] <arrrghhh> how do i edit grub?  there's no menu.lst now...
[08:42] <mzz> arrrghhh: depends on your value of "edit grub", but look at /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d/*
[08:42] <arrrghhh> ok.
[08:42] <arrrghhh> i switched my kernel around, i don't see anything even close to the menu.lst of old grub.
[08:43] <Martyn> well, yeah
[08:43] <Martyn> it's not part of the kernel install
[08:43] <Martyn> it's part of the GRUB install
[08:43] <Martyn> !grub2
[08:43] <arrrghhh> how do i change what kernel linux boots?
[08:43] <mzz> arrrghhh: the closest equivalent to menu.lst is /boot/grub/grub.cfg, but that's a completely generated file
[08:44] <mzz> arrrghhh: /etc/grub/* is what generates it, and some of those scripts are influenced by /etc/default/grub
[08:44] <Martyn> you edit one of two files -- /etc/default/grub, or /boot/grub/grub.cfg.     The former is the way you are -supposed- to edit it
[08:44] <mzz> err, /etc/grub.d/*, not /etc/grub/*
[08:44] <arrrghhh> ok...
[08:44] <Martyn> in an emergency though, you can edit grub.cfg directly .. and so it goes
[08:44] <mzz> arrrghhh: number of the default boot entry is in /etc/default/grub, for example
[08:44] <arrrghhh> i just don't see entries for kernels...
[08:44] <arrrghhh> i'll look thru that file again.
[08:45] <mzz> arrrghhh: entries for kernels are generated. You won't see them in anything but /boot/grub/grub.conf (the scripts in /etc/grub.d/ do the generating)
[08:45] <mzz> err, /boot/grub/grub.cfg, aargh
[08:45] <arrrghhh> lol
[08:45] <arrrghhh> ok
[08:45] <mzz> I tabcomplete too much, and the system this irc client runs on doesn't have grub 2
[08:45] <mzz> so I keep accidentally tab-completing grub 1 paths
[08:46] <arrrghhh> how 'bout this... can i just disable the hidden menu so i get a choice?
[08:47] <arrrghhh> nvm
[08:47] <mzz> arrrghhh: hold shift
[08:47] <arrrghhh> i think i have that handled
[08:48] <mzz> and iirc /etc/default/grub has a place to disable it permanently
[08:48] <arrrghhh> oh.... okie.  i was going to change the settings in /etc/default/grub.
[08:48] <arrrghhh> right.
[08:48] <arrrghhh> i think i have that at least...
[08:49] <MJEvans> After using the Alternate Install cd to install 9.10 I'm looking for how to import the old windows-profiles in to linux accounts and settings.  Where can I find the too to Migrate Documents and Settings? ( I -think- it might be the migration-assistant package, but the only entries I see complain that it's a debian-installer package (.udeb) )
[08:50] <LSD|Ninja> Is networking browsing supposed to be broken right now?
[08:52] <tiger2wander> Anyone know the way to change wifi network card name to wlan0 instead of eth1 except changing the /etc/iftab ?
[09:32] <MJEvans> tiger2wander: udev -may- allow you to do that.  I know it can map ethX to a given eth# device by mac address... I suspect chaning the rule to specify wlan0 instead would also work.
[09:33] <tiger2wander> MJEvans, yep, I've just found it after continuous asking google about that :P. anyway, thanks!
[09:36] <LSD|Ninja> OK, trying to simply list the shares on teh samba server from the karmic install results in "NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME", wtf? It's worked before.
[09:38] <tiger2wander> LSD|Ninja, may it simply a bug :)
[09:40] <LSD|Ninja> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 <- lol
[09:46] <stanley> Will it be okay to upgrade from 9.04 or will a fresh install be recommended?
[09:47] <mzz> stanley: see the big fat warning in the topic
[09:48] <mzz> stanley: upgrading is supposed to work, but if this is a jaunty install you actually care about upgrading at this point may not really be wise just yet
[09:48] <stanley> mzz: I'll be waiting till it's finally released anyways.
[09:48] <mzz> stanley: afaik upgrading is supposed to work, although I wouldn't be surprised if some people would recommend a fresh install anyway
[09:49] <mzz> I don't have enough firsthand experience with upgrades to give a good opinion on this one
[09:49] <stanley> mzz: Fair enough. I'm not hugely concerned. I'm just reinstalling right now anyways, would be a bit of a PITA to do it again in 2 weeks
[09:50] <mzz> ahh
[09:50] <mzz> if you're doing a fresh install now I'd consider just grabbing karmic
[09:51] <mzz> (if the alternative you're considering is a fresh install of jaunty and then immediately upgrading)
[09:51] <stanley> Yea... I might hold off on Karmic for a few weeks anyways I guess. I need a stable install, It's my work system, can't be dealing with bugs and crashes
[09:52] <mzz> well, it's in FinalFreeze before the rc right now, so it should already be mostly stable.
[09:54] <JasseT> stanley: but if you really need a rock solid system, I'd suggest not to install Karmic at first but see how it works for others
[10:20] <chris|> morning everyone
[10:20] <chris|> has anybody succeeded in getting 5.1 sound working in karmic? :)
[10:24] <wekt> In Computer Janitor, what does the check mark mean next to items in the Unused list?
[10:26] <Tronic> chris|: Yes. I started by uninstalling pulseaudio.
[10:26] <chris|> Tronic, I'd like to keep that tough :)
[10:27] <wekt> i uninstalled it too. for ekiga.  and you, Tronic?  I was wondering whether i could use jack to route alsa to ekiga and pulse
[10:28] <chris|> I'm getting 5.0, but the subwoofer just won't play anything
[10:29] <Tronic> Using JACK for non-professional use is a really bad idea.
[10:29] <Tronic> You cannot pass AC3 thru it and you cannot switch sample rates on it.
[10:30] <wekt> I found out (janitor).  it means it will remove the package.
[10:31] <wekt> Tronic: i don't see a need for either of those things in most cases.  AC3 will be handled at a higher level.  So will sample rate conversion.  just run most cards at the highest rate possible.
[10:32] <wekt> but if you see a need, efeel free to explain
[10:33] <Tronic> It is impossible to pass-through the AC3 thru JACK (unless it happens to be running at the exact same SR).
[10:33] <mechdave> Anyone know why my /boot/grub directory has all these files in it? --> http://pastebin.com/f42fda6e5
[10:33] <mzz> yes, grub 2 has lots of little files
[10:33] <Tronic> In any case, the only thing JACK is going to do is add more latency, if you use it together with other audio servers.
[10:34] <mzz> mechdave: don't worry about it, unless you want to hack on grub or something
[10:34] <Tronic> There is already too much latency for realtime applications when using ALSA directly, so you really can't take any extra.
[10:34] <mechdave> mzz, Ah righto, it is normal... I looked in there for my menu.lst and got the shock of my life :)
[10:35] <mzz> Tronic: "switch sample rates on it" doesn't make a ton of sense. You can definitely tell jack to use a different sample rate (it's a commandline argument), and switching it without restarting it doesn't make sense.
[10:35] <wekt> Tronic: perhaps i don't know what you mean by "pass AC3 through jack". as far as i know, you don't 'pass AC3 through ALSA' for example.  sure jack would add a bit of latency, but if it lets you run pulse and many things start depending on pulse, it may be worth while.
[10:35] <mzz> mechdave: grub config is now done primarily through /etc/default/grub, or by editing below /etc/grub.d (mainly 40_custom)
[10:36] <mzz> mechdave: /boot/grub/ is best left alone, apart from sanitychecking grub.cfg if you messed with the previously mentioned files
[10:36] <Tronic> mzz: Any consumer-oriented audio interface (e.g. ALSA) automatically switches to the most suitable sampling rate when the device is opened. Once you start JACK (and I assume you plan to leave it running even when you have no applications running), the rate is locked.
[10:36] <mechdave> mzz, thanks for the heads up :0)
[10:36] <mzz> Tronic: jack isn't.
[10:36] <Tronic> mzz: Isn't what?
[10:36] <mzz> (a consumer-oriented audio interface, that is)
[10:36] <Tronic> Oh really? Thanks for finally repeating my point!
[10:37] <mzz> "JACK was designed from the ground up for professional audio work, and its design focuses on two key areas: synchronous execution of all clients, and low latency operation"
[10:37] <Tronic> Which was, if I may repeat: DO NOT USE JACK FOR CONSUMER-ORIENTED APPLICATIONS.
[10:37] <mzz> oh, my bad. I might've gotten you and the person you were talking to mixed up then.
[10:37] <Tronic> Ok.
[10:38] <mzz> (I blame being low on both sleep and caffeine. I should just stop ircing)
[10:38] <mechdave> Wow, grub now packs a lot more punch :)
[10:39] <Tronic> wekt: Why exactly would you need to run JACK to use Pulse?
[10:39] <Tronic> wekt: And ALSA does AC3-passing just fine, either with its specific sample format or as 16 bit PCM stereo (which just happens to be a good transfer for AC3-passing).
[10:39] <wekt> because pulse is incompatible with ekiga.  i need ekiga.
[10:40] <wekt> Tronic: where can i read about ac3 passing.  i don't know what it is.
[10:40] <Tronic> wekt: And normally you would be using iec958 as ALSA device, but hw:0 or other non-mixed devices can also work.
[10:41] <Tronic> wekt: When you have a home theater amplifier connected to the computer with S/PDIF optical or coaxial cable, you can send the compressed audio stream (Dolby Digital (AC3) or DTS) of a movie over the S/PDIF without the computer ever decoding it, so that the amplifier can decode it.
[10:42] <wekt> i see.
[10:42] <mzz> mechdave: more than the scripts used to generate grub.cfg can handle, imho
[10:43] <mzz> wekt: using any arbitrary app that wasn't written for it as a jack client doesn't make a ton of sense, imho
[10:43] <Tronic> Pulse is incompatible with a lot of thing, broken with others and it has a lot of latency with everything. That's why I uninstalled it and switched to good old ALSA dmix setup.
[10:45] <wekt> i don't have that though.  IIRC, SPDIF carries or can carry DRM, so i don't want it either.  dmix has worked well for you?  others have reported problems.  mzz, i must check whether jack provides an alsa interface before my plan makes any sense, i think.
[10:45] <mzz> wekt: I'm actually using pulse currently (specifically to get output from two systems out of one pair of headphones)
[10:45] <mzz> wekt: I don't do any ac3 passthrough
[10:45] <Tronic> The DRM in S/PDIF is two bits in the header and when you use Linux, you can freely set them any way you want.
[10:46] <Tronic> (or maybe three bits)
[10:46] <mzz> and yeah.
[10:46] <mzz> I thought it was one or two
[10:46] <ntsasng> Hi all
[10:47] <ntsasng> I'm have lost audio when upgrading to 9.10. Need Help
[10:47] <ntsasng> help me please
[10:47] <indus> helloo
[10:48] <indus> to all those having problems with tvtuners not outputing sound i have news
[10:48] <ntsasng> no body help me?
[10:48] <indus> use amixer and try
[10:48] <mzz> wekt: jack is pretty awesome, but only if you require very low-latency audio routing/handling.
[10:48] <mzz> wekt: for just ekiga and music playback and the like it's more trouble than it's worth
[10:49] <chris|> it works :D
[10:52] <what> ok so i've not been able to get this sucker to roll right.
[10:52] <what> i.e. i cannot get grub2 to work properly
[10:52] <Trewas> wekt: spdif does not have any drm features
[10:52] <what> using lvm / encrypted home partitions
[10:52] <what> q6600 / 1.5tb 500gb 750gb 500gb / 8600gt+nvidia-glx-185
[10:53] <what> Been googling for a while now, dont see any real howto on setting up LVM + grub2 - got some kindness?
[10:54] <wekt> Trewas: looks like you are right.  maybe i was thinking of hdmi?
[10:57] <ntsasng> I'm have lost audio when upgrading to 9.10. Need Help
[10:57] <Trewas> wekt: hdmi (optionally) uses HDCP copy protection, but it is transparent to the user if the devices support it, and all new TVs etc do
[10:59] <wekt> "There is NO extra latency caused by using JACK for audio input and output. When we say none, we mean absolutely zero."
[11:00] <what> mmhmm
[11:00] <mac_v> ntsasng: for some it is a transient problem , try unmuting and muting the volume and the sound returns on reboot
[11:00] <mac_v> ntsasng: are you full up-to-date
[11:00] <mac_v> ?
[11:00] <ntsasng> yes
[11:01] <indus> ntsasng: type amixer in terminal and see if anything says off
[11:01] <what> i found it had muted my analog/digital jack and unmuting that and turning up channel volumes via alsamixer was all i needed to get sound btw ntsasng
[11:01] <mac_v> ntsasng: delete your ~/.pulse folder and the .pulse-cookie before you reboot
[11:01] <ntsasng> amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory
[11:01] <what> so anyway no one on lvm + grub2 ?
[11:02] <mzz> what: works for me
[11:02] <mzz> what: (without a separate /boot partition though)
[11:02] <what>  /boot seperate ?
[11:02] <what> no?
[11:02] <mzz> no.
[11:02] <what> !$@%#@
[11:02] <mzz> what: it may or may not work with a separate /boot
[11:02] <mac_v> ntsasng: some have config conflicts from the jaunty and karmic versions , so deleting the folder and file helps reset the config
[11:02] <what> and i suppose thats got to be primary not extended?
[11:03] <mzz> what: specifically: the os_prober code dealing with a separate /boot is broken, but it may actually work for karmic with a separate /boot
[11:03] <mzz> what: it couldn't care less
[11:03] <mzz> what: I missed your problem description. Does grub itself start?
[11:03] <what> i'm doing fresh install - drive 0 is 1.5TB - got 100GB lvm and when i boot - it shows: grub rescue > [above this disk wasnt found]
[11:03] <ntsasng> mac_v: deleting what folder?
[11:03] <mac_v> ntsasng: delete your ~/.pulse folder and the .pulse-cookie
[11:04] <what> tried installing grub into hd0 and hd0,4
[11:04] <what> so what ive done mzz is boot into the system via the 'boot from first hard drive' option via the installer
[11:04] <mac_v> ntsasng: and then reboot.
[11:04] <what> Got any clues from _inside_ ?
[11:05] <mzz> what: first thing to realise is the partition numbering it uses changed
[11:05] <mzz> what: (hd0) is still (hd0), but partitions are numbered from 1 now, like linux does them
[11:05] <what> ok
[11:05] <mzz> what: second thing is that I haven't had to use the grub rescue prompt yet and know pretty much nothing about it :(
[11:05] <what> hd0 != sda ?
[11:06] <MJEvans> what: hd0 is whatever the 0th drive is to the bios.
[11:06] <what> yeah i cant even find any commands from inside it for it
[11:06] <mzz> what: I'd boot off something, chroot in, apt-get update and upgrade, sanitycheck the generated /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[11:06] <mac_v> !grub2 | what
[11:06] <what> MJEvans, you would think so however ive been reading about pivots to sdb and it kept trying to boot off sdb for a while
[11:06] <mzz> what: and yeah, like in the previous grub (hd0) is whatever the bios sees as first
[11:07] <what> that better be helpful mac_v i've done quite a bit of reading :P
[11:07] <MJEvans> what: Pivots?  Sounds like remapping 'bios drives' in mid grub operation
[11:07] <what> mzz, unless it remaps
[11:07] <mzz> especially if it remaps :)
[11:07] <mac_v> what: that wiki is almost all the info anyone has ;)
[11:07] <ntsasng> mac_v: delete and reboot?
[11:07] <mac_v> ntsasng: yup
[11:07] <ntsasng> I'm deleted
[11:08] <ntsasng> yes
[11:08] <ntsasng> Pp
[11:08] <what> ok testing time - brb :P
[11:10] <ntsasng> mac_v: unsuccess
[11:10] <MJEvans> mzz: On my 9.10 test system (I'm testing linux compatability with respect to my just pre-retirement parents), I symlinked  /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober to  /etc/grub.d/06_os-prober to duplicate the entry (and shoehorn it in as the default without changing anything else).  Seems to work quite well.
[11:10] <ntsasng> :(
[11:10] <mac_v> ntsasng: :(  ...
[11:11] <ntsasng> what is me doing now?
[11:11] <mac_v> ntsasng: ok file a bug in launchpad
[11:11] <mzz> MJEvans: "the" entry?
[11:11] <ntsasng> mac_v: I'm buged
[11:11] <mzz> MJEvans: oh, to make some non-karmic os the default?
[11:11] <mzz> MJEvans: I guess that makes sense, with the number of karmic kernels installed being variable
[11:12] <ntsasng> sudo alsa force-reload
[11:12] <mzz> MJEvans: but there should really be a better way to do that kind of thing. grub 2's pretty scriptable, it remains to be seen how that can be used in practice
[11:12] <ntsasng>  WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon file system /home/nguyensang/.gvfs
[11:12] <ntsasng> :|
[11:13] <mzz> ntsasng: you normally don't care. What's the actual problem?
[11:13] <mac_v> ntsasng: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[11:14] <MJEvans> mzz: the way I see the output occuring is that it generates 'configure' code in order of the sorting for the files in that directory.  Unless I can do something like syslinux/pxelinux where I specify a default -label- I don't see any other way of dealing with variable kernels; since the quantity isn't known or counted in any way to my knowledge.
[11:14] <mzz> exactly
[11:14] <mac_v> ntsasng: also > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[11:15] <ntsasng> mac_v: thank
[11:20] <indus> ntsasng: you odnt have amixer?
[11:21] <indus> recent updates did some problems to alsa and muted my cd in volume
[11:21] <ntsasng> indus: amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory
[11:22] <indus> ntsasng: sudo apt-get install alsa-utils
[11:22] <indus> ntsasng: its funny, i have it default
[11:22] <ntsasng> indus: i'm installed gnome-alsamixer
[11:22] <ntsasng> but
[11:22] <ntsasng> it's don't work
[11:22] <indus> ntsasng: ya that wont work
[11:23] <indus> ntsasng: install alsa-utils which has amixer
[11:23] <indus> then see if something is off
[11:23] <ntsasng> alsa-utils alreadly
[11:24] <ntsasng> alsa-utils already
[11:24] <indus> ntsasng: so no amixer? thats strange
[11:24] <indus> ntsasng: sure you type correct command
[11:24] <indus> amixer
[11:24] <ntsasng> yes, I sure
[11:25] <indus> ntsasng: ya i mean oops
[11:25] <indus> ntsasng: amixer cant find some file is the error
[11:25] <indus> ntsasng: reinstall alsa-base
[11:25] <indus> ntsasng: and alsa utils
[11:25] <indus> ntsasng: first remove completely sudo apt-get --purge alsa*
[11:26] <indus> ntsasng: amixer is looking for a device to read and it cant find it i believe
[11:26] <ntsasng> i'm remove it
[11:26] <indus> ntsasng: then reinstalland restart system
[11:26] <ntsasng> and i'm reinstalled
[11:26] <indus> ntsasng: also in terminal type aplay -l
[11:26] <ntsasng> and reboot system
[11:27] <ntsasng> aplay: device_list:223: no soundcards found...
[11:27] <indus> ntsasng: so that is the problem
[11:27] <indus> ntsasng: so sound card > no sound :D
[11:27] <indus> no sound card i mean
[11:27] <ntsasng> my PC has card sound
[11:27] <indus> ntsasng: what system is this
[11:29] <ntsasng> My computer has sound card
[11:30] <indus> ntsasng: which model of machine
[11:32] <ntsasng> indus:  0 [ICH6           ]: ICH4 - Intel ICH6
[11:32] <ntsasng>                       Intel ICH6 with ALC655 at irq 17
[11:32] <ntsasng>  1 [ALS4000        ]: ALS4000 - Avance Logic ALS4000
[11:32] <ntsasng>                       Avance Logic ALS4000 at 0xa000, irq 20
[11:32] <indus> which command gave you this output
[11:33] <Drop_tables> Where does network manager store its connections? I need to manually remove a messed up entry
[11:33] <ntsasng> indus: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[11:35] <ntsasng> indus: i'm removed alsa*
[11:35] <Boohbah> cat /proc/asound/cards
[11:36] <ntsasng> i'm reinstall it now?
[11:36] <indus> ntsasng: yes!
[11:36] <ntsasng> success?
[11:36] <ntsasng> :D
[11:37] <indus> ntsasng: i dont know :)
[11:37] <indus> ntsasng: i dont think so
[11:37] <ntsasng> indus: hiz
[11:37] <indus> ntsasng: what?
[11:39] <ntsasng> hiz
[11:40] <ntsasng> 800MB
[11:40] <indus> ntsasng: what s 800 mb
[11:40] <ntsasng> alsa*
[11:43] <indus> ntsasng: no way
[11:43] <indus> sudo apt-get install alsa-base
[11:43] <ntsasng> yes
[11:43] <ntsasng> installing alsa*
[11:43] <indus> its not 800 mb
[11:43] <indus> yeah ok
[11:43] <indus> good
[11:43] <indus> restart system when finish
[11:43] <ntsasng> alsa* include alsa-base ?
[11:43] <ahunor> greetings
[11:44] <ntsasng> indus: alsa* include alsa-base
[11:44] <indus> ntsasng: yeah
[11:44] <ahunor> Does anyone use Netbeans 6.7.1 ? I can't manage to create a project, it says either that the destination directory already exists or that it doesn't.
[11:45] <ntsasng> indus: I'm member Ubuntu Vietnam
[11:45] <ntsasng> :D
[11:45] <indus> ntsasng: hello
[11:45] <wekt> ~
[11:45] <indus> ntsasng: ya i think we spoke one time
[11:45] <ntsasng> ars you american?
[11:45] <indus> ars :D
[11:45] <indus> no
[11:45] <indus> india
[11:45] <ntsasng> uhm
[11:46] <indus> iam a member of nothing :P
[11:46] <ntsasng> :P
[11:46] <Boohbah> i am a member of the indus fan club
[11:46] <ntsasng> indus: nice too meet you
[11:46] <ntsasng> indus: thank for suport
[11:47] <Ian_Corne> bug 452978
[11:47] <Ian_Corne> gief ubottu
[11:47] <Ian_Corne> whot?
[11:47] <ntsasng> unable to open url
[11:47] <Ian_Corne> no
[11:48] <Ian_Corne> iNot allowed here
[11:48] <Ian_Corne> Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page.
[11:48] <indus> Boohbah: lol i have a fan club? since nwhe
[11:48] <what> ok so my hats off to you mac_v
[11:48] <indus> Boohbah: iam a fan of yogi bear and boohbah , or is that booboo
[11:48] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[11:49] <what> interestingly enough that did allow me to cure the problem, however it still should not have been needed lol
[11:49]  * mac_v doesnt know what he did right ;)
[11:49] <what> the option to install grub to _every_ drive did it
[11:49] <mac_v> ;)
[11:49] <indus> ntsasng: so u hear anything?
[11:49] <what> there must have been some bug i was getting subjected to; i had considered doing a dd of each and submitting it but BAH
[11:49] <what> anyway, thanks ;)
[11:49] <indus> ActionParsnip: hello
[11:50] <robin0800> Ian_Corne: its alright here perhaps you have to be logged in
[11:51] <indus> does anyone know the difference between command line and curses????
[11:51] <ntsasng> installing so long time
[11:52] <indus> ntsasng: can you tell me what packages are being installed
[11:52] <Ian_Corne> robin0800: i am logged in :)
[11:52] <ntsasng> indus: alsa*
[11:52] <Ian_Corne> they changed it already :)
[11:52] <AzaTht> I just noticed my keybord didn't use under gdm
[11:53] <AzaTht> s/use/work/
[11:53] <Ian_Corne> lol
[11:53] <Ian_Corne> ouch
[12:01] <oldude67> xp in virtualbox now eats up all my cpu performance since the update yesterday and today...anyone else having this issue?
[12:02] <oldude67> i mean i know my system needs more ram, but it wasnt doing this bad until yesterday.
[12:03] <mzz> indus: "command line" usually means it talks to you line by line (like the shell does, for example), while a "curses" app takes over the entire terminal window (like "less" and "nano" do)
[12:03] <mzz> indus: what was the context to that question?
[12:03] <what> How much ram in teh host system, and how much for the vm?
[12:03] <leaf-sheep> oldude67: How do you know it's not the XP? :)
[12:03] <what> s/teh/the
[12:03] <Ian_Corne> everyone knows that the longer an xp system is installed the more it sucks
[12:03] <what> Imaging rules.
[12:03] <oldude67> leaf-sheep, cause the only thing it does is my magicjack phone it dont run anything else. and i just rebooted both.
[12:04] <mzz> indus: usually if you can choose "commandline" gives you questions which you type an answer to, while "curses" gives you an interface with something like menus, using arrow keys and the like to navigate.
[12:05] <mzz> oldude67: and you doublechecked with taskman in xp that its virtual cpu is idle?
[12:05] <oldude67> ok its calmed down a bit, its now only using 40% of the cpu.
[12:05] <mzz> oldude67: also, if there was a virtualbox update in there you might have to reboot to pick up the new kernel module (although I'm not sure about that)
[12:06] <oldude67> i think it was trying to connect to micro$oft update and all i havent even updated it. like i said it just runs my phone.
[12:06] <oldude67> its down to 12% now.
[12:07] <ntsasng> Bye | all
[12:07] <ntsasng> indus: bye
[12:08] <oldude67> when does the first rc come out?
[12:08] <mzz> next week
[12:09] <oldude67> and how hard is it to use a ubuntu as a router box for port forwarding?
[12:10] <oldude67> and would it be better to set up, that type of system by hand or use a program, if a program which one?
[12:10] <ActionParsnip> !ics
[12:10] <oldude67> hey ActionParsnip , thanks,
[12:11] <oldude67> my wife and son use xp and they are getting spammed really bad, so i figured i would set this box up to control there messes...
[12:12] <mzz> if "spammed" is the email kind of spam I wouldn't expect any kind of port forwarding to be all that useful in dealing with the problem
[12:14] <oldude67> mzz, no the wife keeps getting her yahoo account shut off by someone.
[12:14] <Ian_Corne> best solution to being spammed is forwarind all mail to a gmail account and have that forward to your normal mail again
[12:14] <oldude67> keeps getting logged out of the computer and of her messengers.
[12:15] <mzz> oldude67: still not convinced port forwarding will help. Especially not if you're behind the kind of adsl or cable modem/router most people are behind these days.
[12:17] <EagleScreen> is ipv6 enabled in 9.10?
[12:17] <jpds> EagleScreen: It's enabled on all releases?
[12:20] <oldude67> mzz, i havent really looked at the modem or router really to tell if it has its own firewall.
[12:20] <Ian_Corne> oldude67: you log out of messenger when some1 else logs in to her account
[12:20] <Ian_Corne> change her password
[12:21] <Ian_Corne> and make her not fill in the information in physing sites
[12:21] <oldude67> Ian_Corne, we have several times.
[12:21] <oldude67> and she doesnt even know what that word is let alone know not to fill them out..lol
[12:22] <HoopyCat> security isn't a product
[12:22] <oldude67> HoopyCat, no but it does help.
[12:23] <Ian_Corne> oldude67: you could make her use firefox, it warns you when going to a reported physing site
[12:24] <oldude67> yeah i thought about that as well, but havent had a chance to mess with it much lately...so next few days is getting the systems back in order and seeing how to keep some of this stuff from happening..
[12:25] <HoopyCat> oldude67:  not enough :-/  humans are pretty much the downfall of any security plan.
[12:27] <Dr_Willis> Destroy all Humans!
[12:27] <Dr_Willis> :)
[12:28] <HoopyCat> oldude67:  so certainly, better software can improve things (if your submarine has a screen door, you're already having a bad day, you know?), but it's probably going to take some education and training.  which can be awkward in family situations...
[12:28] <cetanhota> join #ubuntu-ppc
[12:28] <cetanhota> sorry
[12:29] <indus> thanks mzz
[12:30] <indus> mzz: would you know why amixer works and alsamixer wouldnt
[12:30] <mzz> no
[12:32] <indus> oki
[12:32] <oldude67> HoopyCat, you know it, the son thinks hes gods gift to the computer...till i have to fix it for him.
[12:36] <HoopyCat> oldude67:  it should be trivial to set up a firewall box that, when malware-like activity is detected from the local network, determines the source and opens a trap door under the user
[12:36] <HoopyCat> oldude67:  but again, that's not a software-only solution ;-)
[12:37] <HoopyCat> (nor did it make 9.10 before feature freeze)
[12:37] <oldude67> HoopyCat, got some reference reading in that kind of solution?
[12:41] <Pufhead> Hi got sendt to this chan from the #ubuntu chan Dr_Willis sayd that the monitor settings/xconfig is not set right
[12:41] <Pufhead> here is a image of what my screen looks like http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/1474/image001ma.jpg and it is stuck on that screen
[12:41] <indus> Pufhead: Dr_Willis is not a real doctor :P
[12:41] <Pufhead> haha :P
[12:41] <HoopyCat> oldude67:  just some old warner brothers cartoons, an electronics textbook, and an arduino reference sheet.  safety first: remember to be very careful cutting through floor joists, and put a diode across the trap door release coil (inductors, and all that)
[12:42] <oldude67> HoopyCat, lol yeah i hear, what ever happened to the good old cartoons anyways..lmao
[12:42] <HoopyCat> oldude67:  on the software side, snort is useful to watch for dodgy traffic
[12:44] <oldude67> HoopyCat, ok so i should look into snort and firestarter, and go from there. thanks.
[12:44] <indus> Pufhead: this is a install problem i told u, you have to check cd fordefects reinstall etcc
[12:44] <Pufhead> ok where just hoping that there whas and otter way around it :)
[12:46] <indus> Pufhead: check cd for defects wont take much time
[12:46] <Pufhead> ok
[12:46] <tzanger> good morning; is it possible to get a list of packages and their current versions so that if I do antoher upgrade and something is less than great I can report it and roll back?
[12:46] <indus> Pufhead: but the md5 sum is important
[12:47] <indus> Pufhead: did u also burn cd at a reasonably slow speed
[12:47] <tzanger> dpkg --get-selections doesn't seem to report the exact package name
[12:48] <tzanger> aha dpkg -l looks better
[12:48] <joaopinto> tzanger, dpkg -l
[12:48] <ActionParsnip> can we have an official wubi room made, it really would be useful to load wubi users over there for the weird installation gripes it has?
[12:48] <HoopyCat> tzanger:  dpkg -l will list versions, but it's not quite as wide as i'd like
[12:48] <joaopinto> ActionParsnip, are that much wubi specific problems to woth a channel ?
[12:48] <Pufhead> Indus: think it where on auto speed i think
[12:48] <joaopinto> HoopyCat, you can do a backup of the current Packages file
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> joaopinto: i just dislike it, installing a good OS on a bad OS is gonna be issues
[12:49] <HoopyCat> ... 'course, if i make my window wider, dpkg -l becomes wider.  (why haven't i tried that before)
[12:49] <joaopinto> ActionParsnip, that is not  a proper justification to create an official channel :)
[12:50] <joaopinto> ActionParsnip, and your statement is not correct, you are not installing an OS over another OS, you are just using a filesystem from anoter OS
[12:50] <indus> Pufhead: ya bad idea, that wil burn at 48x
[12:50] <oldude67> ActionParsnip, i agree, its like polishing a turd..its still going to be a turd.
[12:50] <indus> Pufhead: burn at 8x
[12:51] <tzanger> HoopyCat: dpkg-query -W is what I ant
[12:51] <tzanger> er want
[12:51] <joaopinto> wubi does not run from windows, it's a regular linux OS using an NTFS file for it's storage
[12:51] <tzanger> dpkg-query -W > packages-20091016.txt, then I can keep track of it all :-)
[12:51] <ActionParsnip> joaopinto: its an extra cog in the system but it does have weirdness that a more precise channel may be able to help with
[12:51] <Pufhead> indus: ok gona do that now :) thnx for the help btw
[12:51] <indus> Pufhead: you are wikommen
[12:52] <indus> welcome i mean
[12:52] <joaopinto> ActionParsnip, if there are wubi problems, then it should be a #wubi channel, not an #ubuntu-wubi :), which makes it not related to ubuntu :P
[12:52] <ActionParsnip> gotcha
[12:52] <indus> joaopinto  there is a wubi channel i think
[12:53] <indus> joaopinto but now its part of ubuntu i think
[12:53] <joaopinto> is wubi ubuntu only ?
[12:54] <wekt> JackD: maybe you know whether jack(d) can provide an alsa interface to apps that only know about alsa?  i found bio2jack, but that needs special programming i guess.
[12:54] <HoopyCat> oldude67:  you can also look at something like dansguardian (a http proxy with content control) to actively control outgoing web traffic, since a firewall by itself is not going to stop someone from going to a phishing/infected site and/or opendns (a freely-available commercial dns service that can intercept and redirect requests for "bad" hostnames)
[12:54] <tarzan> hi... one question, what happened to the gdm configuration app?
[12:55] <joaopinto> tarzan, the new gdm does not provide such a tool yet
[12:55] <tarzan> args
[12:55] <tarzan> k
[12:55] <tarzan> thanks
[12:55] <joaopinto> neither theming
[12:56] <tarzan> how to disable the sounds then=
[12:56] <tarzan> ?
[12:56] <indus> ok btw, doesanyone have a usplash?
[12:56] <indus> all  i see now is some white logo
[12:57] <joaopinto> indus, that all there is to see :P
[12:57] <joaopinto> that's
[12:57] <indus> what the h** why?
[12:57] <indus> something gorgeous is coming up?
[12:57] <joaopinto> what's wrong with the current logo ?
[12:58] <indus> thats not the intended splash obviously, it doesnt do anyting
[12:59] <zniavre_> where is this picture please (white logo ) ?
[12:59] <HoopyCat> tzanger:  thanks for the dpkg-query -W .... that's going in my toolbag :-)
[12:59] <indus> some white logo which then moves to a brown scroll bar
[13:00] <phako> is kernel.core_pattern not supported anymore on karmic's kernel?
[13:01] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. I get Grub -> a ubuntu logo -> xsplash screen brown + ubuntu word/logo and a animated throbber.. -> GDM -> xsplash+thribber again -> actual desktop
[13:02] <wirechief> i am having an issue with a blank screen after last night update, since xorg.conf no longer is used is there instructions on how to troubleshoot this ?, i found this but i am afraid its out of date https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/BlankScreen
[13:02] <indus> Dr_Willis: white static ubuntu logo + brown screen + scroll horizontal > silly gdm > desktop
[13:03] <indus> Dr_Willis: why is this left like this?
[13:07] <tarzan> is compositing currently broken with fglrx?
[13:07] <mzz> many things are broken with fglrx
[13:08] <mzz> consider giving the open drivers another try, especially if you haven't done so recently
[13:08] <mzz> (unless they really don't support your card at all)
[13:08] <tarzan> mzz: i would, but the power managment sucks
[13:08] <mzz> ah
[13:08] <mzz> that I don't know about
[13:08] <tarzan> mzz: i know they work quite nicely nowadays, even with r600... but i don't want to kill my laptops battery
[13:09]  * mzz nods
[13:09] <mzz> can't help you with that, sorry.
[13:09] <tarzan> thanks
[13:09] <mzz> (more specifically: the radeon I have is old enough that it's impossible to run fglrx with a nonancient xorg-server on it, and it's in a desktop so I haven't had to look into power management)
[13:10] <connex> Can anyone help me to zero on my boot problem?
[13:10] <connex> *zero in on
[13:14] <Deathvalley122> what boot problems connex?
[13:14] <connex> weird slowness.
[13:14] <Deathvalley122> sounds like the grub
[13:15] <joaopinto> I don't have issues with fglrx
[13:15] <Deathvalley122> grub bootloader
[13:15] <connex> It takes me a 1:15 minutes to boot.
[13:15] <joaopinto> Deathvalley122, how have you determited that it's related to grub :) ?
[13:15] <Deathvalley122> lol
[13:16] <joaopinto> connex, some ppl have reported very long boot times, I don't know the reason  :|
[13:16] <Deathvalley122> cause I have had issues with the grub before
[13:16] <connex> I can upload a bootchart if that would help.
[13:16] <joaopinto> Deathvalley122, grub usually takes 1% of the boot time, it is a very unlikely candidate
[13:16] <Dr_Willis> so it takes over a minet for the system to get to the splsh screens once you  get past the grub menu?
[13:16] <Dr_Willis> Or what exactly..
[13:17] <Deathvalley122> usually takes me 30 seconds for mine to boot up
[13:17] <Deathvalley122> :P
[13:18] <Trewas> I have two computers (netbook and a c2d based desktop) running karmic and both take over minute from grub to gdm, so 1:15 sounds quite normal
[13:18]  * Dr_Willis still waits for some actual details :)
[13:18] <Dr_Willis> Ive not timed mine lately. but from grub -> desktop probery 30-60 sec here
[13:18] <connex> My bios start, then i habe a black screen for about 30 seconds
[13:19] <connex> then xsplash starts running
[13:19] <Dr_Willis> how many hard drives are in the machine?
[13:19] <filgy> the splash ubuntu splash logo doesn't come up right after grub like it did with jaunty
[13:20] <connex> Only one
[13:20] <filgy> it too takes about 30 seconds for me before the ubuntu logo with status bar comes up during boot
[13:20] <Deathvalley122> same
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> i got a weird box here that takes  grub (even under 9.04) forever to get started . but it has 5 hard drives
[13:20] <Deathvalley122> mine goes pretty fast
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> booting is normal.. grub is quirky
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> actually it could be the bios I guess getting to the HD.
[13:21] <connex> http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6701/fienddesktopkarmic20091.png
[13:21] <filgy> Dr_Willis: i'd guess bios
[13:21] <joaopinto> hum, the 30s on the black screen is not grub, it's usplash
[13:21] <joaopinto> you mean the black screen prior to the ubuntu logo with a moving bar ?
[13:21] <Dr_Willis> filgy:  yep. its jusst a file server that has 5+ weeks of uptime.. so boot time is not impornatnat\
[13:21] <filgy> joaopinto: yes...
[13:22] <filgy> joaopinto: and yea it's def still booting.. not just sitting at grub or anything
[13:22] <filgy> joaopinto: there's just no feedback at all for atleast 30 seconds until that logo with status bar comes up
[13:22] <joaopinto> so it's not grub, it's kernel load+usplash+system services
[13:22] <connex> bios 5s-> black screen 20-30s-> ubuntu usplash with white logo
[13:23] <joaopinto> filgy, there should be another logo during that time, one without a bar
[13:23] <joaopinto> filgy, that is the real system boot time, on a working usplash it shows just a white ubuntu logo
[13:23] <Ian_Corne> connex: no grub?
[13:23] <filgy> joaopinto: nope... does it use framebuffer or something? maybe that's the problem?
[13:23] <connex> Ian_Corne, No grub. just a white underscore on a black screen on the top left of the screen
[13:24] <joaopinto> filgy, no idea, but yes, it could be a problem setting the video mode
[13:24] <joaopinto> filgy, you could try booting without usplash
[13:24] <phimic> hi all
[13:24] <phimic> i have a problem with ubuntu netbook remix 9.10 beta 1 on a asus eeepc 1008ha
[13:25] <phimic> if i try to install the system, the X-Server wont be start (display is flickering)
[13:25] <filgy> joaopinto: so i should just remove 'quiet splash' from grub to do that?
[13:25] <phimic> live cd does not work either, hangs on boot
[13:25] <joaopinto> filgy, yes
[13:26] <joaopinto> phimic, isn't there a safe graphics mode option on the live cd ?
[13:26] <filgy> thanks.. i probably would prefer that anyways.. i like seeing all the boot messages.. although i understand the need for a splash screen as it probably scares new users :)
[13:27] <Deathvalley122> lol
[13:27] <ActionParsnip> filgy: i like the messages too, lets you know whats going on
[13:27] <Deathvalley122> until something breaks
[13:27] <wekt> filgy: search for usplash & xsplash & remove them to remove startup splash
[13:28] <wekt> packages
[13:28] <joaopinto> wekt, you don't need to remove the packages to disable them
[13:30] <filgy> wekt: i'll just remove 'quiet splash' from grub.. think that's a bit easier ;p
[13:31] <filgy> i must say though the boot process (or splash screen atleast) felt alot smoother with jaunty for some reason..
[13:31] <csb> ActionParsnip: so I'm karmicised now. :)
[13:31] <filgy> maybe i just liked the old graphics better
[13:32] <ActionParsnip> csb: cool
[13:32] <AzaTht> has anyone else except me noticed non-functional keyboard during gdm greater?
[13:33] <csb> ActionParsnip, apart from conky, everything is nearly back to how I left it in jaunty :)
[13:33] <filgy> AzaTht: i have to click my username instead of typing it.. other than that no i havn't
[13:34] <connex> Has anyone looked at my bootchart?
[13:35] <tzanger> yay update worked
[13:35] <tzanger> antoher week, another 350MB of updates :-)
[13:35] <AzaTht> filgy: I had to use the screen keyboard to entrt my password :(
[13:35] <Ian_Corne> is empathy 100% locked for karmic?
[13:35] <Ian_Corne> it still not as good as pidgin..
[13:36] <Dr_Willis> 100% locked means?
[13:36] <AzaTht> frozen
[13:36] <mzz> Ian_Corne: FinalFreeze has hit, so I'd be astonished if it was ripped out and replaced at this point
[13:36] <Dr_Willis> If you want pidgon install it ...
[13:36] <mzz> Ian_Corne: critical bug fixes, sure, making it 100% as good as some other piece of software it's a bit late for
[13:37] <Ian_Corne> damn
[13:37] <AzaTht> Dr_Willis: that's a bit to think upsidedown
[13:37] <ActionParsnip> Ian_Corne: thats an opinion, so many would agree, many would disagree
[13:37] <Ian_Corne> yep
[13:37] <AzaTht> Dr_Willis: the question is how many want to use pidgin versus how many want to use empathy atm
[13:37] <ActionParsnip> Ian_Corne: so empathy is not better than pidgin, and pidgin is not better than empathy.
[13:38]  * Dr_Willis dosent use either one.. so take them both out...
[13:38] <tzanger> kopete ftw :-)
[13:38] <Dr_Willis> and update WeeChat
[13:38] <G_A_C> AzaTht: alternatively, how many people even know about Empathy....I didn't until it became apparent it would be in Karmic
[13:38] <filgy> i've briefly used empathy and found it rather nifty
[13:38] <Dr_Willis> I was playing with Quassle in Kubuntu. its neat.. but odd/lacking/buggy/cool in ways :)
[13:38] <filgy> AzaTht: that's no good about the kbd.. it works after you login?
[13:38] <AzaTht> filgy: yea
[13:39] <filgy> AzaTht: very strange.. did you just upgrade to karmic or was it a update that did this?
[13:39] <AzaTht> I did an upgrade yesterday I think, or if it was monday I did one
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> !bootchart
[13:40] <filgy> AzaTht: it's been like that since the initial upgrade to karmic though?
[13:40] <AzaTht> filgy: updating 292 pkgs atm
[13:40] <AzaTht> filgy: no
[13:40] <AzaTht> noticed it today
[13:40] <joaopinto> AzaTht, if choices were based on popularity there would be no innovation :)
[13:40] <filgy> AzaTht: weird.. lemme guess.. usb keyboard?
[13:40] <AzaTht> filgy: no
[13:40] <AzaTht> usb mouse, but ps2 keyboard
[13:40] <AzaTht> the mouse did work
[13:41] <filgy> weird.. if gdm is being updated currently hopefully that fixes it
[13:41] <AzaTht> hmm
[13:41] <AzaTht> see I did last upgrade 3 days ago
[13:41] <filgy> i like to monitor here for a bit before i update instead of just doing it blindly every day or so :)
[13:42] <AzaTht> heh
[13:43] <AzaTht> perhaps it's not related to gdm, but to pre-X alltogether
[13:43] <filgy> AzaTht: if you can ctrl+alt+f2 to console and the kbd works there.. and it works after login.. it is probably gdm
[13:44] <joaopinto> it's probably X, not gdm :)
[13:44] <filgy> i see some gdm bugs about it not applying the correct layout.. but nothing about the kbd not working at all
[13:44] <joaopinto> gdm is just a regular X app
[13:44] <filgy> do you have a weird layout or something ?
[13:44] <AzaTht> nope
[13:44] <filgy> joaopinto: why would it work after login with gdm then? weird permission issue or something? that's all i could guess :)
[13:45] <joaopinto> ok, it works after loggin in, sorry :P
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> !bootchart
[13:46] <filgy> although that layout bug would drive me crazy if i had dvorak and it was putting me in qwerty or something.. imagine typign your password until you realize the problem lol :)
[13:49] <oldude67> anyone got a page or two of how to connect to another computer so i can get my pictures off of it?
[13:50] <[4-tea-2]> Howdy. Is there a trick to get all the fancy desktop changes on a system upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10?
[13:50] <floating> what should i do when I get failed to download package files - check your internet connection, and in details: Failed to fetch http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/eglibc/libc-bin_2.10.1-0ubuntu13_i386.deb 404  Not Found etc
[13:50] <oldude67> i dont know squat about ssh or anything so it has to be for dumbies..:(
[13:51] <mzz> floating: apply patience
[13:51] <AzaTht> oldude67: perhaps ask at #ubuntu
[13:52] <oldude67> ah probably be better if i went to O.T.
[13:52] <legend2440> floating: i get same error  try this  http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/eglibc/
[13:53] <floating> can I have that at sources.list in some way
[13:53] <floating> or should I apply all 404 manually from deb ?
[13:53] <joaopinto> floating, just change to a different mirror
[13:57] <floating> seems to work, started downloading stuff.. it's been a long time since I updated
[13:58] <floating> basically no updates after beta release
[13:58] <[4-tea-2]> Hmmm. I guess my question was just too stupid. So there's gotta be an obvious solution. Going to hunt for it.
[13:59] <tzanger> [4-tea-2]: "fancy desktop changes" ?
[13:59] <joaopinto> [4-tea-2], which fancy deskto changes ?
[13:59] <[4-tea-2]> e.g. gnome-shell/mutter, which wasn't the default window manager on 9.04
[13:59] <joaopinto> you get all the changes, except for user account defaults, like themes, etc, that is up to you to reset for your user
[14:00] <joaopinto> none of those are 9.10 defaults
[14:00] <[4-tea-2]> Testing with "gnome-shell --replace", I didn't find a way to access the gnome-cc, so I figured just changing the window manager isn't "enough".
[14:00] <[4-tea-2]> joaopinto: oh, I wasn't aware of that.
[14:02] <[4-tea-2]> Well then, let me rephrase my question: is there an easy way to switch from whatever is the default desktop to gnome-shell/Zeitgeist/whatever great new things 9.10 has in store?
[14:04] <zniavre> gnome-shell --replace
[14:04] <[4-tea-2]> On a related note, what's the preferred desktop search engine for 9.10?
[14:04] <[4-tea-2]> zniavre: I commented on that.
[14:04] <zniavre> sorry
[14:06] <joaopinto> at this stage I guess those are just used for experimental purposes
[14:07] <NinjaPlimsolls> hi all
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> [4-tea-2]: nothing is preferred, everyone has a preference
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> [4-tea-2]: there will rarely be a uniconed voice for one app for one task
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> [4-tea-2]: why not try a few, see which you like. then use that one
[14:17] <Manchuriano> hola - h2ll0
[14:33] <lionlix> hi guys
[14:33] <lionlix> i installed bootchart
[14:33] <lionlix> i found out my boot time is 1:14 min
[14:33] <lionlix> is there a way to reduce it
[14:34] <mhm> Hi there, i have a problem with eclipse in 9.10 beta, but apport cannot report the bug.
[14:36] <Lazy> lionlix: well, you could check from the bootchart if there are programs that you dont need
[14:36] <Lazy> and then you could remove them
[14:36] <Lazy> if the processor/hdd is maxed out all the time there isn't that much to do at this point
[14:37] <Lazy> ssd are pretty fast and can reduce your boot time significantly
[14:39] <genii> lionlix: You can put as a boot option on the kernel load line for one time the option: profile            boot it up (takes a while as it streamlines the boot process). Subsequent boots are reduced in time.
[14:39] <genii> (typically by 7-10% )
[14:40] <lionlix> what is ssd
[14:40] <lionlix> ?
[14:40] <[4-tea-2]> solid state disks
[14:40] <[4-tea-2]> *drive
[14:40] <lionlix> you mean i should change my hard disk
[14:41] <lionlix> im using ubuntu in my new dell xps m1530
[14:42] <lionlix> ????
[14:43] <eagles0513875> genii: you having any issues with any network managers
[14:43] <eagles0513875> lionlix: no hes not saying that at least not from what i can see in the convo. those are the wave of the future those drive but for the size to cost ratio they are still quite expensive
[14:48] <genii> eagles0513875: Not currently. I'm using normally though a 9.04/KDE 4.3.2 box though, and not 9.10
[14:48] <eagles0513875> bah ok
[14:48] <eagles0513875> might have to switch over to wicd as the widget in kde is broken again
[14:54]  * genii sips coffee and tries to forget the recurring nightmares where vicious carnivorous Koalas trap and devour him
[14:54] <mhm> Hi' I have a problem, after installing 9.10 my Eclipse chrashes all the time...
[15:02] <cezart> hello
[15:02] <rsk> hi
[15:02] <cezart> i noticed problem with baclight and notify-osd
[15:03] <cezart> on my wind the notify osd takes 40% of cpu time and flickers backlight by one level all the time
[15:04] <cezart> other users spotted same thing with notify-osd?
[15:05] <NinjaPlimsolls> hi eagles0513875
[15:05] <eagles0513875> hey NinjaPlimsolls
[15:05] <eagles0513875> man there area lot of updates today
[15:05] <eagles0513875> lol
[15:05]  * NinjaPlimsolls just found the joy that is Gnome-Do and Docky
[15:05]  * NinjaPlimsolls has a little cry
[15:06] <NinjaPlimsolls> yeah eagles0513875, i did an update last night and it got 244mb of packages, then when it restarted it went garbled and had a blinking cursor on a black screen
[15:06] <NinjaPlimsolls> rebooted, and it was fine
[15:07] <eagles0513875> i have 233 packages to update
[15:07] <NinjaPlimsolls> i still dont know why update manager doesnt download delta packages, instead of replacing every single library with a full version
[15:11] <reisi> should amd64 be upgradeable atm (ie. not broken -- missing packages) 9.04 -> 9.10? i'm getting 4 missing packages..
[15:12] <nperry> No missing packages here ;/
[15:12] <reisi> strange, prhaps i push the "report bug" button then :)
[15:12] <reisi> i've managed to upgrade my x86 laptop yesterday no problems at all, works like a charm
[15:13] <reisi> except that konqueror crashed...
[15:14] <thiebaude> got a question about 64bit ubuntu, i have a amd processer that can do 32bit or 64bit is it ok to dl the 64bit alternate cd?
[15:16] <reisi> thiebaude: i'd recommed 64bit if you have amd processor yes (same as here)
[15:16] <thiebaude> reisi, yea, have the opteron
[15:16] <reisi> it'd seem that my local mirror (fi.archive.ubuntu.com) doesn't have these 4 packages that are missing.. who should i complain to?
[15:20] <reisi> nperry: changed the mirror from local fi.archive.ubuntu.com -> archive.ubuntu.com and the rest of 4 packages were found.. perhaps the mirror hasn't yet synced the 4
[15:20] <floating> I wonder what I should here http://up.k10x.net/lqyeiiqgqsrkv/after_an_hour.png
[15:21] <clone_> Is the iwl3945 driver problem going to be solved in the karmic?
[15:21] <floating> it has been in that position for over 40 minutes I think, "Unpacking nautilus"
[15:25] <clone_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/340418
[15:26] <clone_> this has to be solved, too many machines have intel wireless pro
[15:26] <yoritomo> hello all
[15:27] <yoritomo> a strange problem on videos, i tryed on VLC, Mplayer and Totem, always reversing green and red colors on every movies using Xvideo , no problem with X11 but too slow
[15:28] <yoritomo> what can make this desease on Xvideo ?
[15:28] <yoritomo> i found other guys on the net they had blue and red mixed, but not same problem
[15:29] <yoritomo> my graphic card is NVidia FX5200 and ubuntu driver with a resolution 1280x1024 undr karmic 64
[15:29] <wrapster>  kinda forgot how to change the default template of GNU screen...
[15:29] <jlilly> hey folks. I've upgraded and things were previously working. now Xorg is taking 99% cpu. Thoughts?
[15:29] <wrapster> can anyone let me know how to change it?
[15:30] <jlilly> weirdness: I use xmonad as my window manager.
[15:30] <jlilly> wrapster: try in #screen ?
[15:30] <jlilly> I changed it from xmonad to metacity, but that didn't work either. Now I'm back on xmonad and cpu is going wonky.
[15:31] <rob0> Um, no, Ubuntu ships its own .screenrc, that is definitely a Ubuntu question.
[15:31] <yoritomo> is it a bug ?
[15:31] <rob0> And I don't know the answer, but I sure gave a good hint as to where to look.
[15:32] <wrapster> jlilly: thanks
[15:37] <jlilly> .. any ideas for a fix to this 100% cpu usage thing w/ Xorg?
[15:42] <coz_> jlilly,   I am getting that here as well....also happened in jaunty until I complained about three times  lol
[15:42] <coz_> jlilly,   that must be how to fix it ....complain a few times  :)
[15:45] <wrapster> jlilly: that channel seems to be inactive.. could you please let me know if you dont mind
[15:46] <rob0> wrapster, am I ignored? If you ask questions in a channel you should read the whole channel. You were told wrong.
[15:47] <recon69_lap> as the release of 9.10 coming soon thought I'd come see whats generating chat :)
[15:47] <wrapster> rob0: sorry .. my mistake.. I didnt see your reply.
[15:55] <azimout> question: now that we use gdm 2.28, which doesn't (seem to) support themes, what do we do with all the *gdm-theme* packages?
[15:57] <jlilly> wrapster: I'm not entirely sure. you can check my screenrc at http://github.com/justinlilly/jlilly-bashy-dotfiles
[15:57] <jlilly> coz_: Seems to have fixed with another apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[15:57] <yoritomo> nobody has seen anything similar like my color problem ?
[16:06] <kankan_> is the issue with the intel graphics solved with ubuntu??
[16:06] <coz_> kankan_,  I couldnt tell you ... I dont have an intel system here  to work with
[16:07] <JoshuaL> i would say: try it
[16:07] <kankan_> does anyone use intel here?
[16:08] <azimout> @kankan_: which intel issue are you talking about?
[16:09] <kankan_> i could not enable compiz for desktop effects.
[16:09] <genii> !intel
[16:09] <genii> azimout: The issue he speaks of is mentioned by the bot, above
[16:09] <azimout> genii: thanks
[16:10] <genii> np
[16:10] <azimout> genii: i asked a question above and got no answer
[16:10] <genii> azimout: It's usually a waiting game for someone to arrive which knows about your issue
[16:11] <kankan_> is it in the same condition in 9.10 ?no improvement or workaround?
[16:11] <iamfossy> hi i've a serious problem with karmic
[16:11] <iamfossy> can anyone help me out please
[16:11] <genii> azimout: Re-asking every so often (maybe 10-20 minutes) eventually gets some reply
[16:11] <iamfossy> karmic does not automount my USB , gives an error
[16:12] <azimout> genii: ok, thanks, i'll do that
[16:12] <iamfossy> all the details of error is here : http://pastebin.com/m32aa8372
[16:12] <iamfossy> the actual problem is , its treating my USB as a cdrom
[16:12] <iamfossy> and the fstab entry /dev/sdd1 has the details of a cdrom , how can i fix it , any ideas ?
[16:15] <legend2440> iamfossy: did you put that line in fstab?
[16:15] <rob0> What/who put in that fstab line?
[16:16] <legend2440> iamfossy: i would comment out that line and reboot and then just plug in flash drive it should mount
[16:16] <rob0> /dev/sd* device nodes use the kernel "sd" (SCSI disk) driver.
[16:16] <genii> Likely the fstab line is from the real cd and the usb storage is usurping it's old position in the drive order
[16:16] <wrapster> jlilly: after going through this.. I wanted to set up mutt as well... could you tell me the difference between mbox_type= and mbox= ? , folder and mask?
[16:18] <iamfossy> Thanks a lot :) , i'll comment it out and retry
[16:19] <iamfossy> @legend , i did not put it , it was there somehow
[16:19] <iamfossy> @legend , during boot i get an error of SMBUS2 read error , is it common ?
[16:19] <jlilly> wrapster: sorry man. try #mutt, I'm not a wiki ;)
[16:20] <iamfossy> @rob0 what are my options then ? if sd* drives are used by scsi ?
[16:20] <legend2440> iamfossy: see if error goes away after you comment out that line
[16:21] <Dr_Willis> iamfossy:  is this a usb flash/thumbdrive with that U3 feature?
[16:21] <iamfossy> @Dr Willis , its a Sandisk Cruzer 8 GB flash drive , i dont know what is U3 feature ?
[16:22] <Dr_Willis> look on the package and what files it had on it and check the output of sudo fdisk -l;
[16:22] <Dr_Willis> U3 stuff on them makes the flash drive apper as a CDROM and a normal flash drive
[16:22] <Dr_Willis> and can really confuse linux
[16:23] <iamfossy> @Dr Willis fdisk -l reports it as a W95 FAT32 (LBA) system
[16:24] <legend2440> according to Amazon.com description the  Sandisk Cruzer 8 GB is   U3 smart enabled
[16:24] <RediXe> Is there a way I can edit the compiz-fusion settings (assuming the System->Preferences->Appearance->Visual Effects->Extra is using c-f)
[16:25] <zniavre> hello
[16:26] <zniavre> where is dontzap ?how to reactivate it please?
[16:26] <Dr_Willis> zniavre:  its best to learn to use alt-ctrl-sysreq-k
[16:27] <Dr_Willis> theres a gnome setting to enable it  also.. somewhere under the keyboard settings
[16:27] <legend2440> zniavre: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-enabledisable-ctrlaltbackspace-in-ubuntu-9-10-karmic.html
[16:27] <Dr_Willis> I got a url on the topic comewhere
[16:27] <Dr_Willis> There is it. :)
[16:27] <zniavre> ho thank you
[16:27] <Dr_Willis> google is our friend. :)
[16:29] <zniavre> yep that s true sorry but you are also my friends no? and google do not speak as you
[16:30] <zniavre> thank you again
[16:30] <Dr_Willis> Thats how i found that ubuntugeek  url the first time the other day :)
[16:30] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[16:32] <mbeierl1> RediXe: Are you asking about CCSM (Compiz Config Settings Manager)?  type ccsm in a terminal and it'll tell you if you have it installed and if so, that might be the tool you want...
[16:33] <Repentinus> I installed Karmic beta on my laptop and graphics are flickering when I boot up and when I log in ( and if I manage to open some programs) the display goes crazy.
[16:33] <RediXe> mbeierl1, yeah - I clicked the help button and ended up finding out what I needed ...
[16:33] <Repentinus> I am using Nvidia GeForce 9650M GT.
[16:33] <mbeierl1> RediXe: ok, good.... :)
[16:34] <ojii> is it a known issue that the battery-indicator in karmic is broken?
[16:34] <ojii> my screen just went black with no prior warning
[16:35] <xguru> ojii: mine works fine?
[16:35] <ojii> weird
[16:35] <ojii> mine obviously doesnt
[16:35] <Dr_Willis> Allrighty - found a  new guide at ubuntuhq.com
[16:35] <Dr_Willis> http://www.ubuntuhq.com/content/fixing-popping-sound-ubuntu-karmic
[16:36] <ojii> ah nice Dr_Willis, have that issue as well
[16:36] <xguru> have you set your power management to warn you when battery life is low?
[16:36] <Dr_Willis> ojii:  the artical says its for 'intel' but im going to try it on my nvidia
[16:36] <ojii> well i have the icon to always show
[16:36] <ojii> and it looked 90% full
[16:38] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. the file/line the guide mentions does not exist on my system
[16:38] <mbeierl> ojii: Mine goes from 100% to 50% as soon as I unplug the power.  It's like it thinks there's supposed to be a second battery...
[16:38] <Dr_Willis> doh typo. :) frogit a /
[16:38] <ojii> mbeierl: well mine used to do it correctly, and like warn and everything. now it just went 'zapp'
[16:38] <ojii> shock of my life
[16:40] <mbeierl> ojii: nope - can't say as I've encountered that one before.  But I must say the kernel hibernate/resume sucks.  This is the first time in a long time that I've actually used it (not tux on ice) and man it's BAD
[16:43] <mbeierl> yay!  new artwork in today's update ;)
[16:43] <xray7224> im updating now =]
[16:47] <Dr_Willis> apt-cacher-ng saves me so much downloads when updateing my 3 9.10 pc's :)
[16:49] <mbeierl> there's an ng?
[16:49] <cezart> Dr_Willis: 3pcs with 9.10 ?
[16:50] <Dr_Willis> cezart:  yep. 1 laptop 2 desktops. one old one new...
[16:50] <mbeierl> question: didn't there used to be a way in emerald theme manager to add svn repos?  Do I really have to import themes ONE AT A TIME now?!?
[16:50] <Dr_Willis> old one is basically a fileserver.. but i rarely even turn it on
[16:50] <Dr_Willis> mbeierl:  yea. that got removed some time ago.
[16:50] <cezart> Dr_Willis: you dont like your data i see ;P
[16:50] <Dr_Willis> mbeierl:  i dont even think the svn repos work any more.
[16:51] <mbeierl> Dr_Willis: can even multi import anymore...  there's https://svn.generation.no/emerald-themes/
[16:51] <Dr_Willis> cezart:  its my video server mainly. as i said. its wassent even hooked up for months.
[16:51] <Dr_Willis> mbeierl:  as far as im concerned emerald seems to be basicaly dieing.
[16:51] <Dr_Willis> No one seems to care much for it  these days.
[16:52] <mbeierl> Dr_Willis: oh?  what's the replacement then?
[16:52] <Dr_Willis> mbeierl:  theres  the normal gnome  decorator that  people normally usse
[16:52] <cezart> Dr_Willis: i personaly would wait for stable with updating all of machines ;)
[16:52] <Dr_Willis> cezart:  its not going to matter to me at all.
[16:53] <mbeierl> Dr_Willis: that just seems so ... limited :)
[16:53] <Dr_Willis> mbeierl:  i always found emerald a bit lacking...
[16:53] <TeLe> anyone having problems with flashplayer installer working in firefox?
[16:53] <Dr_Willis> i just toyed with it.
[16:53] <Dr_Willis> TeLe:  i jusst use the ubuntu-restricted-extras package to install flash. what do you mean by 'flash player installer' ?
[16:54] <TeLe> flash will install correctly but it wont show up in firefox
[16:55] <TeLe> works fine in opera
[16:55] <Dr_Willis> did you use flash from the repos? or flash from the flash web site?
[16:56] <TeLe> repo
[16:58] <Dr_Willis> what url is giveing you problems? i cqan test here in firefox and Chromoum
[16:59] <TeLe> about:plugins wont load flashplayer
[17:00] <quentusrex> How is the release going?
[17:01] <Dr_Willis> working deently well on my 3 machines
[17:02] <quentusrex> I'm waiting so I can get rid of the notify-applet/dbus-daemon/X11 huge cpu usage bug...
[17:03] <Dr_Willis> flash player seems to keep crashing.. of course...
[17:03] <Dr_Willis> flash seems to be consistantly in the top 5 Problems.
[17:03] <quentusrex> yeah, that is in 9.04 too
[17:03] <quentusrex> yup.
[17:03] <quentusrex> is there a page with the top X number of bugs in a release?
[17:03] <AzaTht> shutting down now, lets see if keyboard works in gdm on monday
[17:04] <Dr_Willis> http://www.rathergood.com/fruit
[17:04] <Dr_Willis> played once.. then flash crashed so bad. it wouldent play again.
[17:04] <Dr_Willis> had to close/restart firefox
[17:04] <werfact> in list view, the multiple highlighting doesnt work
[17:05] <Dr_Willis> werfact:  what do you mean.
[17:05] <werfact> Dr_Willis, when you left click, hold and drag
[17:06] <werfact> on an empty space, not an item or folder
[17:06] <Dr_Willis> i normally just use shift and ctrl..
[17:06] <Dr_Willis> finding an EMPTY space in list view is normally the issue i find
[17:06] <werfact> well, im just saying, it doesnt work
[17:08] <werfact> i guess it's a gnome feature?
[17:08] <Dr_Willis> I dont even recall ever usingit in 9.04    But i may just never tried.
[17:09] <werfact> Dr_Willis, you never select multiple items with a mouse?
[17:09] <Dr_Willis> i use shift or ctrl when in list view normally
[17:10] <Dr_Willis> finding a empty place/blank in list view  has always been a bit of a pain
[17:10] <werfact> Dr_Willis, lol, thats because you have to
[17:10] <Dr_Willis> even getting the context mmenu in list view can be a pain
[17:18] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. someone in here the toehr day was complaing about buttons like 'play' not working in some flash videos..  well right clicking and doing 'play' worked. :)
[17:18] <Dr_Willis> Not perfect i guess.. heh
[17:18] <Dr_Willis> even in Chromium i got the issue..  Now to test the issue in Opera
[17:18] <Dr_Willis> http://www.rathergood.com/ninja
[17:20] <h00k> Dr_Willis: also, spacebar is common to start/stop
[17:22] <platius> Dr_Willis, http://www.rathergood.com/fruit  plays over and over w/no probs, firefox, goolgechrome. but othr flash sites have probs 4 me. 64bit 9.10
[17:23] <Dr_Willis> I think many 'flash' problems these days are web sites doing weird stuff with flash...
[17:23] <h00k> I basically still think flash needs to die :)
[17:23] <Dr_Willis> Huluplayer works for me (its using flash) but if often goofs up  after the 2nd comercial break and cant start the video again
[17:23] <Dr_Willis> 'Flash Must Die'
[17:23] <Dr_Willis> I agree
[17:24] <Dr_Willis> Its slowly becoming what java was ment to become. and doing it worse
[17:24] <h00k> java was meant to be a video player?
[17:24] <Dr_Willis> java was ment to be a 'run anywhere' language.
[17:25] <cpjr72> hey, for those with flash issues.. the one I got from using the software center was giving me those issues, like not being able to click anything in the flash window (youtube and such)..  so I googled and found this http://my.opera.com/titzesan/blog/2009/10/06/ubuntu-9-10-64bit-flash-player-10-installation
[17:25] <Dr_Willis> to do all sorts of things. flash just keeps getting more and more features making it more of a Language  like jave was from the betinning
[17:25] <cpjr72> he installs it manually from a directy download from adobe
[17:26] <Dr_Willis> cpjr72:  yea. thats a possible fix. but really not a fix thats going to get put into the official release.
[17:26] <Dr_Willis> i cant even get flash to crash consistantly
[17:26] <cpjr72> Dr_Willis, well bro is flash part of the distro?  I had to DL it manually.. its a browser plugin
[17:26] <Dr_Willis> it now has plaued the same flash 4 times
[17:27] <Dr_Willis> cpjr72:  its  handled by a script.. so  to do it that way would require 'changeing; the default flash installer script
[17:27] <Dr_Willis> id rather see them actually INCLUDE flash on the cd.
[17:27] <Dr_Willis> but theres 'legal' issues i guess with that
[17:27] <cpjr72> windows doesn't even include it
[17:27] <Dr_Willis> some linux disrtos do.
[17:28] <Dr_Willis> at one time windows did i think.. and at one time windows included java also
[17:28] <cpjr72> and does that make it work 100%?
[17:28] <cpjr72> heck, I dont even think there is a 64 bit version of flash for windows yet lol
[17:28] <Dr_Willis> 100% and 'flash'  should NEVER be used in the same sentance.
[17:28] <Dr_Willis> :)
[17:28] <ActionParsnip> flash is 100% frustrating?
[17:29] <cpjr72> I'm happy to see after 10 version 10.1 is supposedly going to utilize GPU hardware decoding (so say the nvidia web site)
[17:29] <jemark> ActionParsnip, 100% CPU usage maybe ;)
[17:29] <Dr_Willis> 200% if on dual core
[17:30] <ActionParsnip> haha
[17:30] <maurer_> How do I make a network connection stay active even when I am not logged in?
[17:31] <Dr_Willis> maurer_:  we are going to have to assume youmean 'wireless' ?
[17:31] <maurer_> Dr_Willis: Yes.
[17:31]  * Dr_Willis has no clue on wireless.
[17:31] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: mine only hits 50% on my 1.6Ghz AM2 Semperon
[17:31] <maurer_> Dr_Willis: The intention is to use krb5 auth first, then fall back on regular auth, but I can't get the computer to have net access when at the login screen.
[17:32] <jemark> ActionParsnip, congrats
[17:32] <ActionParsnip> firefox 3.7 with alpha 64bit flash on karmic, works fine
[17:33] <ActionParsnip> oh and 2Gb DDR2 667Mhz
[17:34]  * Dr_Willis waits for service pack 1 for firefox
[17:34] <Dr_Willis> :P
[17:34] <nick125> maurer_: Perhaps use wicd rather than NM
[17:34] <cpjr72> kinda depressing ubuntu using like 500mb of my 4GB of ram, windows would suck atleast 2GB out of it :/
[17:35] <Dr_Willis> 2? heh.. more like 7 :)
[17:35] <Dr_Willis> boot up windows.. check stats.. swap allready in ussage....
[17:35] <nick125> cpjr72: Ubuntu is probably using the other 3.5GB for cache, so it's not going to waste ;-)
[17:36] <nick125> Speaking of waste....I have to boot up the Vista VM today......
[17:36] <jemark> cpjr72, that's why I have only 1GB
[17:36] <nick125> Let's see...Vista is using 1GB of RAM (out of 1.5GB) and 700MB of paging file. Yay.
[17:37] <cpjr72> jemark, once I bought 4gb I feel compelled to be a test rat for all these 64 bit OSes
[17:37] <Dr_Willis> so its using a paging file.. befor ram is even used. :)
[17:37] <cpjr72> its not the 64 OS that sucks, its the lack of software lol
[17:37] <Dr_Willis> lack? Hmm
[17:37] <Dr_Willis> never noticed..
[17:37] <nick125> cpjr72: Want to have fun? Install XP x64.
[17:37] <cpjr72> well, for windows.. hardly anything is running in 64 bit
[17:37] <Dr_Willis> Other then 'zsnes' i  find everything i have that need is 64bit now
[17:38]  * Dr_Willis waits for Dos64
[17:38] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: compile zsnes, its ot hard
[17:38] <ActionParsnip> not
[17:38] <nick125> You'll desire for the small issues in Ubuntu 64.....I mean, a problem with Flash beats the installer BSODing like XPx64 does :)
[17:38] <jemark> cpjr72, i see, that's still use 32 bit...
[17:39] <Dr_Willis> ActionParsnip:  its using inline 32 assembly code  I think is the reason for the issues.. not sure if it is that simple to just recompile ..  but i use snes9x these days
[17:39] <nick125> Oh sorry, that isn't the BSOD...that's the Welcome screen. Guess they want you to get used to it early on...heh.
[17:39] <cpjr72> I had got flogged on a forum once for saying how lame it was to be forced to run 32 bit browser cause company's can recompile their stuff for 64 bit
[17:39] <cpjr72> cant*
[17:39] <tntc> I've been tempted to run Karmic on my netbook, but I have one stumbling block: In Win7, when I use the touchscreen, the pointer changes, and when I tap and hold to right click, it does this neat little circle around the pointer so I know it's detecting the right click and such.  Is there any way to do that in ubuntu?
[17:39] <Dr_Willis> cpjr72:  in theory if they write the code right.. they sould be able to do just that. :)
[17:40] <ioka> guys what command should I type in order to make privoxy startup application.I type "/etc/init.d/privoxy start" and it does not work
[17:40] <iamleneko> the upgrading last minute is pretty long
[17:40] <ioka> maybe with sudo
[17:42] <Dr_Willis> $ sudo update-rc.d privoxy  defaults
[17:42] <Dr_Willis> but it should allready be there if it got installed.
[17:43] <Dr_Willis> $ ls -l /etc/rc2.d/S20privoxy
[17:43] <Dr_Willis> /etc/rc2.d/S20privoxy -> ../init.d/privoxy
[17:43]  * Dr_Willis finds privoxy breaks too many web sites.
[17:43] <Dr_Willis> but tahts proberly due to the cookie 'cleaning' feature
[17:44] <ioka> I do not understand what you are saying.i need to update privoxy?
[17:45] <ioka> what should I type in order to make it autostart application
[17:45] <jimlovell777> I'm having a few issues with Karmic, my speakers crackle when I have sound muted, my speakers pop everytime I mute/unmute and boot, when using the compact view in Nautilus if I click a file with a long name it moves my cursor to the middle of the name which is very annoying, empathy keeps saying network error with MSN accounts with a known good account and password and lastly when my screen locks due to timeout or ctrl+alt+l my laptop
[17:45] <jimlovell777> screen will not go back to 100% brightness unless I reboot. Any suggestions?
[17:45] <j0nr> hi all... I have firstly a simple question... when I open a terminal, it dfaults to / for cwd, not my home.. how can i restore the action i am used to of starting in my home directory
[17:46] <nick125> j0nr: CAn you cd to ~?
[17:46] <j0nr> yes
[17:46] <nick125> What terminal? Gnome Terminal?
[17:47] <mersault> is there any way to combine contacts that appear on more than one network in empathy?
[17:47] <j0nr> yeah nick125
[17:50] <ioka> noone wants to help:(
[17:52] <ActionParsnip> !startup | ioka
[17:53] <ioka> this is right without the most important thing.What do i have to type as a start command
[17:53] <[31d1]_> ubottu is out of date
[17:53] <ActionParsnip> ioka: start command for what?
[17:53] <ioka> for privoxy
[17:53] <[31d1]_> System->Preferences->Startup Applications
[17:54] <ioka> to start the application
[17:54] <ioka> it is not listed there
[17:54] <ioka> i always start it in terminal /etc/init.d/privoxy start
[17:54] <ioka> but this line does not start it when I type it as a start command in add window
[17:55] <rob0> See !boot for starting non-interactive programs at boot
[17:55] <ioka> !boot
[17:56] <ActionParsnip> ioka: you could put it in /etc/rc.local
[17:57] <rob0> I'm pretty sure that update-rc.d is a better solution.
[17:57] <ActionParsnip> rob0: achieves the same end
[17:59] <rob0> Not quite. update-rc.d keeps it managed by the OS frontends, whereas rc.local is not, and can lead to more difficult troubleshooting later.
[18:00] <douwe> Hi, I'm trying the karmic beta and I have a strange problem with my internet connection. Can someone help me?
[18:01] <douwe> The problem is, that when browsing websites, the page will start loading, but network connectivity will drop to almost 0 quickly after. Weirdly, when downloading packages in synaptic, the problem does not occur (and IRC is working no problem). any ideas on this?
[18:02] <timothyp> Hello, I just installed ubuntu netbook remix 9.10 on an eeepc, just like all the previous versions and eeebuntu the SD card does not load automatically. when I insert it /var/log/messages indicates sb1 , when I try to mount it it claims there is no such device
[18:03] <ioka> this is kind of complicated thing.anyway.I have another question .I see ! in a cloud left from network manager icon.It says disconnected.What is that
[18:03] <ioka> it is ubuntu one.What is ubuntu one?
[18:04] <Dr_Willis> an online-storage feature ioka
[18:04] <stpere> a cloud storage service
[18:04]  * Dr_Willis finds the term 'cloud' to be yet another buzzword. :)
[18:04] <ioka> storage for who?
[18:04] <Dr_Willis> ioka:  for you
[18:04] <stpere> Dr_Willis: it is
[18:04] <Dr_Willis> ioka:  2gb of free space I think
[18:04] <ioka> online storages a paid usually.
[18:05] <stpere> ioka: you can pay to have 50GB
[18:05] <Dr_Willis> ioka:  as i said 2gb FREE
[18:05] <stpere> but the basic plan is free
[18:05] <ioka> really?
[18:05] <stpere> really
[18:05] <stpere> I use it right now
[18:05] <Dr_Willis> orly!
[18:05] <Dr_Willis> It seem to be a little flakely lately. i cant connect right now
[18:06] <douwe> anyone with thoughts on my connectivity problem?
[18:06] <ioka> I guess I have to make an account in one.ubuntu.com
[18:08] <Dr_Willis> yes you do
[18:08] <ioka> it says connecting when I open ubuntu one file sharing
[18:09] <ioka> but this is all
[18:10] <maurer_> wicd doesn't seem to like my wifi :/
[18:11] <Dr_Willis> maurer_:  its possible to configure/connect wireless from the command line also.
[18:11] <Dr_Willis> but ive not done that in ages
[18:11] <maurer_> Dr_Willis: Yes, and I have done that in the past. I'm starting to think that a cron job that checks if the wifi's connected, and reconnects if it's dead every five minutes might be the way to go.
[18:11] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu one has been wanting to connect me properly for ages.
[18:13]  * Dr_Willis thinks UbuntuOne needs work. :)
[18:13] <Dr_Willis> but its a nifty idea
[18:15] <Dr_Willis> Cool. Tomboy Notes can also sync to UbuntuOne
[18:18] <ioka> is there a gui for fax sending in ubuntu?
[18:18] <Dr_Willis> check the package manager for  fax. I recall there being some. but ive never used any
[18:18] <Dr_Willis> !fax
[18:18] <j0nr> another issue i have on one pc is that X keeps rendomnly restarting
[18:19] <ioka> ok
[18:19] <JoshuaL> when i use the default mediaplayer in karmic and make it fullscreen the top panel stays visible.
[18:19] <Dr_Willis> !info efax
[18:19] <Bookman> I am trying to upgrade via alternative usb thumbdrive but I get the following error http://pastebin.ca/1623916
[18:22] <ioka> In order any application that i have compiled from source and installed to be listed in installed software and to be able to remove it with apt-get uninstall , it has to be a .deb package.So if I make a .deb package with checkinstall will that work, so after I install the application , it should be listed in installed software in ubuntu software center.Is that right?
[18:25] <ActionParsnip> ioka: yes only packages installed via debs are shown, binarys which are installed with sudo make install    will not appear
[18:27] <joaopinto> ioka, that is why you should use checkinstall
[18:27] <joaopinto> !checkinstall | ioka
[18:28] <ioka> so in general after I have finished make and compiling then I use checkinstall.Is that right?
[18:35] <rockrat> hello
[18:36] <rockrat> soundcard line-in port ain't working at all. please advise suitable drivers thanks
[18:38] <mac_v> !logs
[18:40] <douwe> HiI have an ethernet connection that works fine when installing packages etc, but for browsing the internet, it will try loading the webpage at first but stop quickly afterwards (download speed drops to >1 kb/s)
[18:43] <Moteragent26> Can someone help me, i am  in deep trouble with ubuntu 9.10!
[18:43] <MrMadMoneyMan> question: If I install ubuntu 9.10 beta... will I need to do a dist upgrade to the 9.10 release.... or will normal apt updates bring me inline with the release?
[18:43] <Berzerker-> MrMadMoneyMan, you'll need to dist-upgrade, but that's no difference  with normal apt updates
[18:43] <Pici> !dist-upgrade | MrMadMoneyMan
[18:44] <Pici> Moteragent26: Only if you ask a question.
[18:44] <Moteragent26> If i want to install it, it gets a terminal window (sort of) when i start it up, when the installing is done.
[18:44] <Moteragent26> Sorry for my english/american, i am dutch :P
[18:45] <MrMadMoneyMan> Berzerker:  So it will just be an "apt-get dist-upgrade"  and I wont like need to change my apt sources or anything
[18:45] <joaopinto> !final | MrMadMoneyMan
[18:46] <Pici> MrMadMoneyMan: You shouldnt ever need to manually change your sources.list file
[18:46] <Berzerker-> MrMadMoneyMan, yup.
[18:46] <Pici> Moteragent26: Does the screen say anything?
[18:46] <joaopinto> !upgrading | MrMadMoneyMan
[18:46] <Berzerker-> Pici, the regular servers have been running slow, I've switched to the MIT servers.
[18:47] <Moteragent26> Hese saying "starting up" and "login" and "password"
[18:47] <tzanger> hmm
[18:47] <Pici> Berzerker-: I mean the proper way of upgrading is to use update-manager or do-release-upgrade, never changing jaunty to karmic, etc.
[18:47] <Moteragent26> such as that things..
[18:47] <Berzerker-> Pici, oh I see.
[18:48] <tzanger> I'm trying to report a bug in knetworkmanager and it's insisting I'm talking about plasma-widget-networkmanager... ps ax clearly shows knetworkmanager and I used ubuntu-bug on the pid of knetworkmanager... is this knetworkmanager or plasma-widget-networkmanager??
[18:48] <Pici> Moteragent26: Is this an upgrade? What variant of Ubuntu did you install if not?
[18:49] <Moteragent26> i typt in in de alt+f2 keys "update-manager -d" when i am in 9.04, so the site has sayd.
[18:49] <Moteragent26> And ik whas a install for karmic koals (9.10).
[18:49] <Moteragent26> koala *
[18:50] <Moteragent26> So?
[18:50] <joaopinto> Moteragent26, you understand that karmic is still beta right ?
[18:50] <mersault> Is there a way to combine multiple appearances of the same contact in empathy?
[18:50] <Moteragent26> Yes i am, but i have installed it 5 times, and still the same thing...
[18:52] <joaopinto> Moteragent26, what same thing ?
[18:52] <Moteragent26> And my monitor flikerd too.
[18:52] <Moteragent26> everytime i try to install it...
[18:53] <rockrat> Moteragent26: exactly, blinking display. i had the same problem.
[18:53] <joaopinto> Moteragent26, if you don't file a bug report or research on the problem, reinstalling will not help
[18:53] <Moteragent26> sorry, but i am not that good with computers, so i dant gonna mess with files and such that things...
[18:53] <Moteragent26> dont
[18:54] <Moteragent26> rockrat, is your screen good now?
[18:54] <rockrat> Moteragent26: my problem was solved by un-installing nvidia drivers 185 and re-installing nvidia 173
[18:54] <rockrat> Moteragent26: yup
[18:54] <Moteragent26> Ok, and now its working?
[18:54] <rockrat> Moteragent26: i installed nvidia drivers since my gpu is from nvidia
[18:55] <Moteragent26> So, all i have to do, is install nvidia drivers, vor ubuntu (.deb)?
[18:55] <rockrat> Moteragent26: yes, it is.
[18:55] <rockrat> Moteragent26: what is your gpu.
[18:55] <Moteragent26> And them my screen will work, and i can log in with a log in screen.
[18:55] <Moteragent26> Ten
[18:55] <rockrat> Moteragent26: is it from nvidia ?
[18:55] <Moteragent26> then
[18:56] <Moteragent26> Ans i dant know, where do you can find it?
[18:56] <rockrat> wait
[18:56] <tzanger> hmm
[18:56] <rockrat> lspci -vv -n
[18:56] <tzanger> is there a way to have a "fake" network connection in knetworkmanager
[18:57] <tzanger> some apps are too smart for their own good and will refuse to even try to connect if networkmanager says there isn't a connection up
[18:57] <Moteragent26> and that in alt+f2?
[18:57] <Moteragent26> ???
[18:57] <rockrat> Moteragent26: yes in console
[18:57] <rockrat> Moteragent26: is it blinking ?
[18:57] <Moteragent26> i havent start it up yet.
[18:58] <rockrat> Moteragent26: are you using virutalbox or so ?
[18:58] <Moteragent26> a am not super fast or somthing..
[18:58] <Moteragent26> it is gonna run.
[18:58] <Moteragent26> i think.
[18:58] <rockrat> Moteragent26: oh than you need to install guest additions
[18:58] <rockrat> Moteragent26: install GA
[18:58] <Moteragent26> i used it with alt+f2 that good right?
[18:59] <Moteragent26> i am, on the live CD now, so i dont now if everyting is working, but i dont seen anything...
[19:00] <bluefox83> ok, google gadgets (installed from the repo) keeps crashing, it only starts briefly and then crashes, anyone know how i can debug to find out why it's crashing?
[19:00] <rockrat> Moteragent26: are you using Virtual Machine ?
[19:00] <Moteragent26> I dant now, nothing gonna start up or sompthing.
[19:00] <Moteragent26> I dont know what i am using.
[19:01] <Moteragent26> but i can see it in system settings i thing.
[19:01] <Moteragent26> (i hope)
[19:02] <rockrat> Moteragent26: you using live cd and your screen blinks ?
[19:02] <Moteragent26> The live CD is still of 8.10, so its old. :)
[19:02] <Moteragent26> But by screen dont blinks.
[19:03] <Moteragent26> My sound card is: SIS966 if you wanna know :)
[19:04] <rockrat> Moteragent26: ok. sorry my mistake, i miss took flickering = blinking. which is flickering < > blinking. my appologoize
[19:04] <Moteragent26> :O
[19:04] <bluefox83> what would you folks suggest i use to debug a software crash?
[19:05] <Moteragent26> So, i am back on start again...
[19:05] <Moteragent26> Lovely...
[19:06] <rockrat> Moteragent26: you are experiencing flicker because of ur refresh rate.
[19:06] <Moteragent26> And what am i gonna do, so it wil stop...
[19:06] <rockrat> Moteragent26: are you using safe-graphic mode ?
[19:06] <Moteragent26> Ans how do i get a log in screen, and my old things and so...
[19:07] <Moteragent26> But i dont know that, i dont think so..
[19:07] <rockrat> Moteragent26: ctrl+alt+f1
[19:08] <rockrat> Moteragent26: it will throw your session to console mode
[19:08] <rockrat> Moteragent26: from there you can reboot with safe-graphic mode
[19:09] <rockrat> Moteragent26: or sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[19:13] <bluefox83> you guys aren't being very helpful >.>
[19:13] <joaopinto> !patience | bluefox83
[19:13] <bluefox83> i know...you don't know the answer, which isn't very helpful
[19:13] <bluefox83> i understand that if no one knows they wont answer :P
[19:14] <bluefox83> i am just surprised no one knew how to debug a piice of software
[19:14] <bluefox83> *piece
[19:15] <bluefox83> brb
[19:16] <rockrat> so anyone know how to compile drivers for sound card es1371
[19:16] <Moteragent26> So what command i had to type, i dont get it at all...
[19:17] <Moteragent26> ???
[19:17] <rockrat> Moteragent26: what command ?
[19:17] <Moteragent26> if i do alt+ctrl+f1 i must typ a command, and i dont get there alife back...
[19:17] <CShadowRun> Hi, upgraded to karmic, missing icons in my applications menu, any way to fix it?
[19:17] <ioka> in keyboard layouts there is a button apply system-wide... .What is this for.I clicked it it wants me to type my password and then nothing happens
[19:18] <Moteragent26> i am now on 8.10
[19:18] <Moteragent26> because i had to install it again 6 times...
[19:18] <Moteragent26> So...
[19:19] <rockrat> Moteragent26: briefly explain plz
[19:19] <[GuS]> Hi guys... i am having this problem when try to run Amarok (and other KDE apps) in karmic: http://pastebin.com/m2d319c79
[19:20] <[GuS]> any idea?
[19:20] <Moteragent26> i am now on VERSION 8.10, Yes?
[19:20] <Moteragent26> So i did do ctrl+alt+f1 just as you said
[19:20] <Moteragent26> but
[19:20] <Moteragent26> i gat a black screen with a line to type somthing,
[19:20] <Moteragent26> when i did that almost al codes are wrong
[19:20] <Moteragent26> with code i have to use?
[19:21] <CShadowRun> Moteragent26, maybe you mean 9.10, this channel is about 9.10, 8.10 was last years release
[19:21] <Moteragent26> I know, but i have installed it 6 times today...
[19:21] <jrgp> dang
[19:21] <CShadowRun> (the version numbers are the release dates, 9.10, october 2009, 8.10, october 2008 :P
[19:22] <CShadowRun> Moteragent26, as for the broken tty's it's a known bug i think it's something to do with usplash
[19:23] <Moteragent26> but my screen flickers(on 9.10), and i diddent get a login screen or sompthing, so i had to install 8.10 again, and again, and again, and again...
[19:24] <Moteragent26> so, help is welcome :-X
[19:25] <Moteragent26> Anyone?
[19:25] <rockrat> Moteragent26: when you start with live cd, first screen presented is to select language and after that
[19:25] <Moteragent26> Yes.
[19:25] <Mentis> #kubuntu+1
[19:26] <rockrat> Moteragent26: a screen to choose from option like install or just run system to check
[19:26] <octodur> damn 9.10 is awsome upgrade from previous
[19:26] <Moteragent26> Its the live CD of 8.10, you know that?
[19:26] <octodur> every hour new upgrades as well hehe
[19:26] <Trizicus> i just up dated ubuntu and it said grub2 was installed however upon boot it is listed as grub 1.97 beta so.... what do I do to use grub2?
[19:26] <Moteragent26> but go on...
[19:26] <rockrat> Moteragent26: if you press F4 key i think, you will be presented with vga option, where you can choose safe graphic mode
[19:26] <Moteragent26> must i choose that one?
[19:27] <sebsebseb> hi
[19:27] <Moteragent26> Is my problem then fixed?
[19:27] <del_diablo> Out of curiosity, is there any way to create a boot up CD that installs just what i want it to? Not barebone(minimal install) CD, but a easy way to avoid doing the apt-get part?
[19:27] <rockrat> Moteragent26: well, thats what i know. but you can search for other options.
[19:27] <Moteragent26> I wil look, thanks.
[19:27] <Mentis> Hi all.  Every time i login kwin crash repport appears, but kwin itself works. How i can get rid of this?
[19:27] <rockrat> Moteragent26: or even edit boot option
[19:27] <Moteragent26> bye everyone :P
[19:28] <IdleOne> !remaster | del_diablo also see !clone
[19:28] <octodur> anyone experiencing problems with ubuntuOne ?
[19:28] <[GuS]> Hi guys... i am having this problem when try to run Amarok (and other KDE apps) in karmic: http://pastebin.com/m2d319c79 Any idea?
[19:29] <Trizicus> i just up dated ubuntu and it said grub2 was installed however upon boot it is listed as grub 1.97 beta so.... what do I do to use grub2?
[19:29] <rockrat> soundcard line-in port ain't working et'al. please advise
[19:29] <del_diablo> IdleOne:  thanks :P
[19:30] <topyli> octodur, so far i've had nothing but problems with it
[19:30] <octodur> topyli: i cant get passt the button where im logging in to launchpad
[19:31] <topyli> octodur, there may be happier stories of course, but mine is full of sorrow :)
[19:31] <del_diablo> IdleOne:  Is there any way of doing it under Winsuxzor?
[19:31] <octodur> i login with username and pass but get returned to the same page again
[19:31] <octodur> topyli: hehehe
[19:31] <topyli> octodur, join #ubuntuone
[19:31] <octodur> acha thx
[19:31] <IdleOne> del_diablo: you mean Windows? I don't know ask in ##windows
[19:32] <del_diablo> IdleOne: How would they know?
[19:33] <IdleOne> del_diablo: I thought you meant remastering a windows install.....I am not sure if there are tools in windows that allow you to remaster a linux install cd. but you could use the Ubuntu live cd I assume
[19:33] <webbb83> was there a big update today
[19:33] <CShadowRun> I miss my icons in my applications menu, any way to get them back? :(
[19:33] <IdleOne> del_diablo: those links ubottu gave you probably have a lot more info
[19:34] <del_diablo> IdleOne: They did not, only debian based can modify unless you wanted a cli tool(which i avoid since most of them got documentation trouble)
[19:34] <firdau5> zx
[19:35] <topyli> CShadowRun, appearance - the interface tab - tick "show icons in menus"
[19:35] <CShadowRun> haha, they switched the icons off? :(
[19:35] <CShadowRun> that's so horrible :P
[19:35] <topyli> they did
[19:35] <CShadowRun> I just found it on a forum as you said, apparently it's "less cluttered"
[19:36] <CShadowRun> but they didn't remove the space in which the icons appear, so it's silly not to have them
[19:36] <topyli> CShadowRun, it's not horrible. it makes menus faster because they don't need to cache the icons all the time
[19:36] <CShadowRun> i guess
[19:36] <rockrat> CShadowRun: did you try Change Background >> Interface >> Show Icons in Menus
[19:36] <CShadowRun> rockrat, yup, topyli just said :)
[19:36] <rockrat> :)
[19:37] <topyli> i like icons too and i enabled them :)
[19:38]  * bluefox83 wonders why he always seems to have trouble with google-gadgets D:
[19:38] <rockrat> CShadowRun: try moving your menus file to tmp location. logout and login. this trick told by someone in this channel worked for me to get back menu list
[19:39] <CShadowRun> rockrat, it's working :)
[19:41] <rockrat> locate menu | less
[19:41] <rockrat> oops
[19:41] <rockrat> :)
[19:48] <joseantoniordlmc> whois mzz
[19:52] <Trizicus> How can I be sure I am using Grub2?
[19:52] <Trizicus> I just updated and rebooted and noticed it's 1.97 beta
[19:53] <joseantoniordlmc> me too
[19:53] <joseantoniordlmc> i tried to upgrade to grub2 but doesn't work
[19:54] <Trizicus> maybe i'm using grub2 but dont realize it lol
[19:54] <sebsebseb> I think maybe Grub 1 is
[19:54] <sebsebseb> the 0. whatever numbers
[19:54] <sebsebseb> and really  1.  anything is Grub 2
[19:55] <sebsebseb> after all  partitions and hard disks  start on 0  when it comes to Grub
[19:56] <Trizicus> well i've weined myself off of windows officially tbh
[19:56] <giangio> I did it some years ago... no regret I've also Virtualbox :)
[20:01] <Heikki123> hello
[20:02] <Heikki123> i somehow broke my wlan. i tried to share my internet with wlan, and now it doesn't work at all.
[20:02] <Heikki123> i only used the graphical program
[20:02] <Heikki123> and now i can't connect to any wlan network
[20:02] <bluefox83> Heikki123, then you need to remove the entry you made to share it...
[20:03] <Heikki123> i have removed it already
[20:03] <bluefox83> and restore your original setting
[20:03] <Heikki123> how do i restore default settings?
[20:03] <arvind_khadri> hi, i have an issue here, what happens is that i receive mail only when mail is being CC'ed to a different inbox\
[20:03] <bluefox83> really, i don't know how to do it without having made a backup of the file first >.>
[20:04] <Heikki123> :) in what file are the settings?
[20:04] <arvind_khadri> like the mail is not being delivered to evolution, until its cc'ed
[20:04] <bluefox83> uhm, you might check /etc/network/interfaces
[20:05] <Heikki123> only 2 lines there: auto lo
[20:05] <Heikki123> iface lo inet loopback
[20:05] <Heikki123> and if i remember correctly, there has never ben anything related to wlan
[20:06] <bluefox83> hrm
[20:06] <bluefox83> i forget where that is stored
[20:09] <del_diablo> Let me guess, the only "sane" way of modifying under Windows involves a VM and lots of waisted disk space?
[20:09] <arvind_khadri> anyone sees what i see??
[20:09] <del_diablo> And yes, its modifyin Ubuntu
[20:09] <arvind_khadri> or does anyone knows how to solve it??
[20:09] <del_diablo> arvind_khadri: what do you se?
[20:10] <bluefox83> i hope that once 9.10 gets released, it'll be more stable
[20:11] <bluefox83> who do we talk to about getting updated versions of software added to the repositories?
[20:11] <bluefox83> the current version of google-gadgets in the x64 repo is old and has a serious bug in it, the google people say the version in the repo is out dated and needs to be replaced with an earlier version
[20:11] <del_diablo> bluefox83: its not doeable, if your hardware allows it then jump over to Archlinux since its the only "updated" distro.
[20:12] <del_diablo> bluefox83: Does getdeb have it? Then add that repos, its the only option :(
[20:12] <bluefox83> what's not doable?
[20:13] <bluefox83> i'd compile it from source if i could >.>
[20:13] <arand> It is doable indeed, if it has not been donem request it to be excepted from current freeze/backported
[20:13] <vega-_> bluefox83: http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/google-gadgets-common
[20:13] <bluefox83> but for some reason i get an error when i try
[20:13] <del_diablo> Is the only "sane"(non troublesome) way of modifying under Windows involves a VM and lots of waisted disk space?
[20:13] <del_diablo> bluefox83: Ubuntu being updated. Source compiling is ages more updated <.<
[20:14] <bluefox83> vega-_, that's the old version
[20:14] <bluefox83> they are up to a higher version now
[20:14] <vega-_> bluefox83: yes, but there you find how to contact maintainers
[20:14] <vega-_> bluefox83: to make it short, file a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/google-gadgets/+filebug
[20:14] <bluefox83> oh!
[20:14] <bluefox83> thanks :)
[20:15] <rom> hi
[20:15] <BUGabundo> hey fellows
[20:15] <rom> the scroll on the sound applet change the volume very slowly in karmic
[20:15] <rom> compared to previous version
[20:15] <rom> I have to scroll about 30 times to move from 100% to 0%
[20:15] <filgy> everytime i reboot with current updates, my sound is always turned all the way down/muted
[20:15] <del_diablo> Is the only "sane"(non troublesome) way of modifying Ubuntu under Windows involves a VM and lots of waisted disk space?
[20:16] <vega-_> del_diablo: what do you mean "modifying" ?
[20:16] <arand> filgy: that has been reported numerous times, have a look at launchpad and see what the status of the bug for that is
[20:17] <arvind_khadri> del_diablo, that i dont receive emails when directly sent to the account in evolution, but i get the mail when CC'ed to gmail
[20:17] <filgy> arvind_khadri: is your incoming mail server pop or imap or what?
[20:18] <arvind_khadri> filgy, pop
[20:18] <filgy> arvind_khadri: you're positive it is setup correctly ?
[20:18] <arvind_khadri> filgy, yes
[20:18] <filgy> arvind_khadri: who maintains the pop server ?
[20:18] <arvind_khadri> filgy, is it possible to enter port numbers??
[20:18] <Heikki123> do you people (who has a wlan connection) have anything in /etc/networks/networking -file
[20:19] <Heikki123> sorrry
[20:19] <Heikki123> i mean /etc/network/interfaces
[20:19] <vega-_> Heikki123: yes, although i have a static ip address and wpa2/aes that networkmanager can't handle
[20:19] <del_diablo> vega-_: As in modifing a minimal install to what i call a minimal dekstop. Installing the core ubuntu is a mess to purge out every single piece of trash that gets dragged in, and i am really tired of bullshit minimal installs. What i want by modifying is to create what i want to install, before installing it.
[20:19] <del_diablo> arvind_khadri: File a bug report to the evolution team? After doing some minimal reasearch.
[20:19] <filgy> arvind_khadri: you should be able to but if it is using the default port 110 you won't need to
[20:19] <del_diablo> Heikki123: nope
[20:19] <vega-_> and also, networkmanager is not good enough yet imho
[20:19] <arvind_khadri> filgy, i dont know...no idea...
[20:19] <del_diablo> Heikki123: Depends on what you use for network manager
[20:19] <arvind_khadri> filgy, where do i check it, if i want to??
[20:20] <Heikki123> the default for 9.10 beta
[20:20] <filgy> arvind_khadri: well what is your email address? is you provided by your internet providers, your work, who?
[20:20] <arvind_khadri> filgy, its my dad's actually... work
[20:20] <Heikki123> lol, the name is translated to finnish... "Verkon hallinta -sovelma 0.7.996"
[20:20] <filgy> arvind_khadri: are you sure his work is not having problems with the pop server? if they have a webmail interface try logging into that and see if the emails appear in there
[20:20] <Heikki123> network manager
[20:21] <Heikki123> i will switch to english, it might help a bit
[20:21] <arvind_khadri> filgy, ok, checking, if they have one, back in a moment
[20:21] <vega-_> yea well, translations usually suck.. you will never get 100% anyhow
[20:23] <del_diablo> Is the only "sane"(non troublesome) way of "modifying"(the install) Ubuntu under Windows involves a VM and lots of waisted disk space?
[20:24] <BUGabundo> aren't we on Archive Freeze?
[20:24] <BUGabundo> how am I get so many updates
[20:24] <vega-_> del_diablo: still not sure what you are trying to accomplish, why not just install server and then necessary stuff after that?
[20:24] <del_diablo> vega-_: !!!!!!!!!
[20:24] <arvind_khadri> filgy, the webmail interface shows nothing
[20:24] <vega-_> and under windows.. no idea
[20:25] <filgy> del_diablo: are you trying to modify an existing installation?
[20:25] <filgy> arvind_khadri: it's a problem with his companies mail server then
[20:25] <del_diablo> vega-_: Its more like building more on top of a minimal install. Already got the alternativ on place since its the only option
[20:25] <filgy> del_diablo: if it is an existing install.. i don't think you will be able to boot it in a VM.. not sure though
[20:25] <arvind_khadri> filgy, as far as i understand, there must be a copy of mails even in the webmail right??
[20:25] <del_diablo> vega-_: And its not a install, its the install medium
[20:25] <filgy> del_diablo: unless maybe it was a wubi install
[20:26] <filgy> arvind_khadri: yes there should be a copy in the webmail.. depending on the server setup, webmail will not use the pop server at all.. so i'm guessing it is a problem with his companies smtp servers
[20:27] <filgy> arvind_khadri: either way it is definitely on the companies end and not ubuntu's
[20:27] <arvind_khadri> filgy, :) i know, but how do i get it across them, all hardcore winblows fanatics they are
[20:27] <del_diablo> Ok, reformulation of the question: I got a way of doing a minimal install, but i don't want to installing everything from the bottom. I want to set up a install medium so i can use what i actually use of a desktop, and just install that without the entire apt-get mess.
[20:27] <filgy> arvind_khadri: get it across them? you mean get the point across to them ?
[20:28] <arvind_khadri> filgy, ya
[20:29] <filgy> arvind_khadri: explain that you logged into the webmail account, which resides on the companies mail server and stores nothing on the local computer, and the emails were still not there... that along with the fact another CC'd account is getting the emails indicates it is a problem with the company and not ubuntu
[20:29] <filgy> del_diablo: are you doing the minimal install through wubi or a normal install ?
[20:29] <arvind_khadri> filgy, i now sent a mail to his account and can see the mail, i am seeing it through the webmail
[20:29] <filgy> arvind_khadri: try downloading it with evolution then.. maybe they fixed the problem
[20:30] <arvind_khadri> filgy, ya checking
[20:30] <filgy> arvind_khadri: if it still doesn't show up in evolution.. refresh the webmail and see if it is still there or has disappeared
[20:30] <del_diablo> filgy: I am doing an install. A normal one. And  i want to set up a proper install medium. And i am sitting in Windows.
[20:31] <filgy> del_diablo: so you mean you want to make a custom install image?
[20:32] <filgy> del_diablo: a custom install image that has only the packages you want installed.. so then when you install it you will have everything you want and nothing you don't want without having to use the package manager or anything ?
[20:32] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu is a little lacking compared to a few other distros at easally making a 'custome' setup   but its doable. :)
[20:32] <del_diablo> filgy: I could care less about what you call it. I want to set up a proper install, with what i use. Then i use the set up medium to install, then i got a working desktop.
[20:33] <arvind_khadri> filgy, evolution couldnt fetch it, but now when i logged in webmail again, i cant see the mail
[20:33] <filgy> arvind_khadri: okay then it looks like it is actually a problem with evolution
[20:33] <Dr_Willis> !remaster
[20:33] <arvind_khadri> filgy, thats sad, what do i do??
[20:33] <filgy> del_diablo: you really should care what i call it so people can understand what you want to do :)
[20:33] <bulfaiter> Hi! I'm experiencing some issues with the notification system. The rounded rectangle where the notification should appear is shown, but the image inside is corrupted. Is it a known bug, and does it have any workaround?
[20:34] <filgy> arvind_khadri: I'd suggest installing another email client like kmail or sylpheed and set that up to see if you can receive email in that
[20:34] <filgy> arvind_khadri: then if you can receive with another mail client.. it will verify it is definitely evolution
[20:34] <arvind_khadri> filgy, ya am thinking of using thunderbird
[20:34] <del_diablo> filgy: I could guess its called a "costum install image". Then tell me, how do i set it up?
[20:34] <filgy> arvind_khadri: try it out... personally i can't stand evolution
[20:35] <filgy> !remaster | del_diablo
[20:35] <mbeierl> bulfaiter: are you referring to the one with your username and when you click on it, it gives the shutdown/reboot, etc, messages?  Mine often shows with garbled background too
[20:35] <arvind_khadri> filgy, is it known to be so buggy???
[20:35] <filgy> arvind_khadri: evolution has always been horribly buggy in my experience
[20:35] <Heikki123> i found a bug in ubuntu 9.10 :>
[20:35] <CShadowRun> Has anyone noticed when you have show_desktop disabled, you get forkbombed?
[20:35] <bulfaiter> no, the one which shows when rhythmbox starts a new song
[20:35] <Dr_Willis> !bug
[20:35] <filgy> arvind_khadri: and i've tried it ever since it was released years ago
[20:35]  * CShadowRun doesn't like being forkbombed :(
[20:36] <arvind_khadri> filgy,  :) ohh, i have heard that thunderbird is great, what do you say about it>>
[20:36] <del_diablo> filgy: ..................................... please.................................. stop..................... acting................... like an ass. I have already looked at those. Somebody before linked to them. So my orginal question was: Do i need a VM to actually be able to do it, or not?
[20:36] <bulfaiter> mbeierl: and, if I try to open gnome-do, the same corruption appears
[20:36] <mbeierl> filgy and arvind_khadri: I second that.  Evo is pretending to be the ms outlook replacement - including bugs ;)
[20:36] <filgy> del_diablo: i'm not acting like an ass.. i'm trying to point you in the right direction.. i am not a hand holding service
[20:36] <Dr_Willis> del_diablo:  i belive you don.  theres no 'web/other' tools ive seen to remaster ubuntu cd's yet.
[20:37] <del_diablo> Dr_Willis: VM, yes or no?
[20:37] <HoopyCat> del_diablo:  did you read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization , perhaps?  from my reading of it, which is admittedly a cursory scanning, the answer might be "you probably don't, but it will make life a lot easier"
[20:37] <Dr_Willis> del_diablo:  ive seen other disrtos that have web-based front end/tools to let you pick alacarte whats to put on a custome iso
[20:37] <arvind_khadri> mbeierl, hahaha :)
[20:37] <filgy> arvind_khadri: i really like thunderbird... personally i prefer sylpheed or mutt but i am sure they are too lightweight for your father.. especially mutt ;p
[20:37] <Dr_Willis> yes a vm. Yes. those tools all run in linux
[20:37] <arvind_khadri> filgy, mutt is more for the Debian types :)
[20:37] <HoopyCat> del_diablo:  there's (approximately) nothing you can do in a virtual machine that you can't do on real hardware with more work
[20:38] <Dr_Willis> but i last did this ages ago.. of course its easier to TEST the custom isos in a vm.,
[20:38] <Heikki123> if i report a bug with ubuntu-bug, do i need to log in to the page?
[20:38] <Dr_Willis> thats why i alwyas play with vm's
[20:38] <del_diablo> HoopyCat: Did you read my question? It was "Is the only "sane"(non troublesome) way of "modifying"(the install image of)  Ubuntu under Windows involves a VM and lots of waisted disk space?"
[20:39] <filgy> arvind_khadri: yea.. i would only suggest evolution if you need to connect to an exchange server.. since his is pop/smtp thunderbird should be great
[20:40] <guntbert> del_diablo: keep polite please
[20:40] <del_diablo> HoopyCat: Yes or no?
[20:40] <HoopyCat> del_diablo:  under windows?  well, you're going to have to run linux somehow and a VM is going to be the easiest way.
[20:41] <Dr_Willis> Logical to me..
[20:41] <del_diablo> HoopyCat: Thanks for at the least awsering me properly.
[20:41] <HoopyCat> dadgummit, another customer lost to slackware :-/
[20:41] <Dr_Willis> I dont think its much of a loss..
[20:43] <Dr_Willis> the remaster directions are a little old...
[20:43] <Dr_Willis> what was the other url.. lets see
[20:43] <Dr_Willis> !remaster
[20:44] <filgy> i love when users have a question that is vague and confusing.. then they get upset when you don't understand or ask questions to try to find out what they really want to do :)
[20:44] <HoopyCat> filgy:  i demand, immediately, to know whether or not the knutsen ring on a chevrolet is refrobulable!
  peace, love, ubuntu, and respect... peace, love, ubuntu, and respect... ok, better.
[20:45] <Dr_Willis> Go to your happy place....
[20:46]  * Dr_Willis plays with 'uck'
[20:47] <Dr_Willis> File /media/TorrentDownloads/ubuntu-9.10-beta-desktop-amd64.iso does not seem to be a valid ISO9660 image
[20:47] <Dr_Willis> or not........
[20:47] <filgy> HoopyCat: lol yea
[20:47] <filgy> Dr_Willis: try mounting it ?
[20:47] <Dr_Willis> It asked for the iso. (uck did) at least.
[20:48] <Dr_Willis> i wonder if it hasissues with the beta.. i dont have an older iso handy to test
[20:48] <arvind_khadri> filgy, oh ok...
[20:49] <ikt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ffmpeg <- is 8.10 still accurate for 9.10?
[20:50] <Dr_Willis> thats over a year old.. so it might not be.
[20:50] <Dr_Willis> Try it and see? :)
[20:50] <Dr_Willis> To be sure you have enter the correct format name, please run "ffmpeg -formats" to find the correct names (it seems they have changed).
[20:51] <Dr_Willis> E: Couldn't find package libavcodec-unstripped-51
[20:51] <Dr_Willis> so at least 1 is wrong. :)
[20:51] <HoopyCat> 9.04 fails on step 1 due to a lack of libavcodec-unstripped-51, which has been superseded apparently by libavcodec-unstripped-52
[20:52] <Dr_Willis> sudo apt-get install libavcodec-unstripped-52  libavdevice-unstripped-52  libavformat-unstripped-52 libavutil-unstripped-49 libpostproc-unstripped-51 libswscale-unstripped-0
[20:52] <Dr_Willis> tab completion showed me it was 52 :)
[20:53] <HoopyCat> Dr_Willis:  i consider bash-completion to be one of the greatest achievements of recent history
[20:53] <Dr_Willis> and ubuntu has managed to tweak it very very well.
[20:53] <Dr_Willis> Now if they would give us a decent propmt by default :)
[20:53] <HoopyCat> time for a post-it note on my monitor saying "Just Push <tab>"
[20:54] <mbeierl> HoopyCat: I'm just glad it works with spaces again :)
[20:55] <Dr_Willis> since that guide is a year+ old.. ffmpeg MIGHT have even more features now thats not mentioned in the command line options they give
[20:55] <octodur> man ubuntu owns this year!!
[20:55] <octodur> im seeing a big change in the coming future
[20:55] <filgy> Dr_Willis: what do you consider a decent prompt though? some people prefer nice and simple.. they don't want 2 lines with the date/time and 6 different colors and stuff :)
[20:56] <HoopyCat> Dr_Willis:  eh, i'm ok with the prompt.  only mod i have is adding the current branch name to the prompt if i'm in a git repository
[20:56] <vega-_> Dr_Willis: the default prompt is just fine, it's easy enough to customize your own
[20:57] <filgy> has anyone been having pulseaudio start using a lot of cpu when no sound is being played ?
[20:57] <oCtodur> yes
[20:57] <oCtodur> there is a fix for it
[20:57] <timber> hey, the command ALT+SHIFT+TAB doesn't work
[20:57] <oCtodur> remove the pulseaudio-alsa and install the other version
[20:57] <filgy> oCtodur: what's the other version?
[20:57] <oCtodur> damnit gimi a min and i try to find the fix for u
[20:57] <HoopyCat> who am i, what am i logged in to, where am i... anything more than that is clutter ;-)
[20:57] <Dr_Willis> vega-_:  yes, but i wants moar! :)
[20:57] <oCtodur> i had this problem yesterday and now its fixed
[20:58] <filgy> oCtodur: is this a karmic related bug? it worked fine in jaunty
[20:58] <Dr_Willis> that ffmpeg guide is showing its age.. the options it gives.. many are no longer valid
[20:58] <oCtodur> it has to do with that i think, they use this package thats not fully good if u ask the guys thats having this problem
[20:58] <oCtodur> cpu at 100% load all the time and no sound in games
[20:59] <filgy> oCtodur: so is the solution to revert to an older pulseaudio-alsa pakcage or?
[21:00] <oCtodur> no u remove the alsa package and install the other one
[21:01] <filgy> !bug 434171
[21:01] <oCtodur> its the alsa that cant drop the SDL sound
[21:01] <filgy> I don't know if that is the same problem I'm having though exactly
[21:01] <oCtodur> filgy: damnit im sorry i cant find the links i had yesterday, never though of saving them =(
[21:01] <filgy> i can kill the process fine
[21:01] <Dr_Willis> i think i at least got rid of the 'pop'ing of my sound right befor things play
[21:02] <oCtodur> no i know your problem its exactly as mine
[21:02] <oCtodur> let me see bash history =)
[21:02] <filgy> oCtodur: but you're saying i just need a different pulseaudio-whatever package ?
[21:02] <oCtodur> yeps
[21:02] <oCtodur> its as easy as that
[21:02] <oCtodur> =)
[21:02] <filgy> is there a bug report somewhere about it ?
[21:02] <oCtodur> it is but as i told you all my links are gone now =(
[21:03] <oCtodur> i found the answer on google so its there just need the right keywords
[21:03] <Dr_Willis> 'I found the answer on google'  :) i need that on a Tee Shirt
[21:04] <oCtodur> sudo apt-get install libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio
[21:04] <oCtodur> love the bash_history
[21:04] <oCtodur> thats what u need filgy
[21:04] <janhouse> Can I install ubuntu from live cd using terminal? Graphical installation fails.
[21:04] <oCtodur> janhouse: did u try the safe graphics mode ?
[21:04] <filgy> oCtodur: so remove pulseaudio-alsa and isntall that ?
[21:04] <jbeitler> janhouse: you need the alternative CD
[21:04] <filgy> oCtodur: or just install that ?
[21:04] <oCtodur> filgy: just run that command it apt will deal with all of it
[21:04] <janhouse> don't tell me that. Can I do it from standart desktop live cd
[21:04] <oCtodur> you will need to uninstall a few libs if i remember correctly
[21:05] <janhouse> I can access live cd deskto
[21:05] <janhouse> run terminal, firefox, etc.
[21:05] <oCtodur> so install from there is not possible ?
[21:05] <Dr_Willis> janhouse:  theres no cli installer on the desktop cd that i am aware of.
[21:05] <janhouse> I can't install ubuntu because after I complete installation wizard it closes without any errors
[21:05] <filgy> oCtodur: thanks.. what does it change? libsdl will use PA directly instead of alsa now?
[21:05] <janhouse> I have internet connection
[21:05] <janhouse> can  I download those files and copy them manually
[21:06] <janhouse> and install grub
[21:06] <oCtodur> filgy: yes i belive so, very strange if u ask me for them to do this hehe
[21:06] <oCtodur> filgy: but it will be fixed in the official release i think
[21:06]  * arand is still worried about Bug #445067 
[21:06] <Dr_Willis> May be easier to just download a alternative instgaller cd/iso
[21:06] <janhouse> I am not an expert so I don't know how to do it. I am asking you. :)
[21:06] <janhouse> there must be some way
[21:06] <oCtodur> and no error ? thats weird
[21:07] <oCtodur> what does it say when u try to boot without cd ?
[21:07] <oCtodur> no bootloader or ? is grub running ?
[21:07] <oCtodur> if u installed there should be something there
[21:07] <Dr_Willis> janhouse:  i would download and try the alterantive cd - it uses the text based installer.
[21:07] <janhouse> nothing. it didn't even format my drive
[21:07] <janhouse> it fails when starting partitioner
[21:07] <oCtodur> hmm
[21:07] <jbeitler> janhouse: it might just be a bad burn
[21:07] <janhouse> Dr_Willis, I can't burn it. No cd's left :D
[21:08] <tgpraveen> Dr_Willis: do you have any pen drives lying around? a bug recently got fixed that pen drives and other hard drives should have different
[21:08] <tgpraveen> icons
[21:08] <janhouse> no, the burn is perfect
[21:08] <Dr_Willis> janhouse:  this is why i use flash drives and unetbootin.
[21:08] <del_diablo> Tools for accesing ext4 from Windows?(give me warnings about it may be unsafe, and i get mad)
[21:08] <oCtodur> im installing winxp and ubuntu from pendrives just as we speak =)
[21:08] <janhouse> aaand when I insert startup USB
[21:08] <sebsebseb> janhouse: interesting  I was just replying to  the pm,  and  thinking you should maybe go here, and  ask stuff,   and here you are
[21:08] <Dr_Willis> tgpraveen:  they do have different icons. i saw that today
[21:08] <tgpraveen> but am still on jaunty so if you have a pen drive would be great if I could see a screenshot
[21:08] <oCtodur> del_diablo:  are there tools for that yet ?
[21:08] <tgpraveen> yay!
[21:08] <janhouse> it freezes after SYSLINUX...
[21:08] <janhouse> boot:
[21:08] <tgpraveen> Dr_Willis: I had filed that bug . screenshot please?
[21:08] <oCtodur> del_diablo:  ive only found for ext3 and a very very beta for ext4
[21:09] <del_diablo> oCtodur: Where? And can it be used to write?
[21:09] <oCtodur> filgy: pls get back to me if that stuff works
[21:09] <filgy> can't ext4 be accessed as ext3 ?
[21:09] <oCtodur> no
[21:09] <del_diablo> filgy: Not compitable
[21:09] <oCtodur> thats what i tried
[21:09] <filgy> i coulda sworn you could mount ext4 as ext3
[21:09] <filgy> maybe i'm thinking of ext2/3
[21:09] <Dr_Willis> tgpraveen: of what? the icons?  I have a little flash drive icon for my flash drive.. and a drive icon for the drives..  and oddly enoght a USB hard drive icon for my external usb hard drive.
[21:09] <Dr_Willis> filgy:  i read on the ext4 wiki that you can.
[21:09] <filgy> oCtodur: so far it's working good
[21:09] <oCtodur> del_diablo: sorry bro dont have the url to the ext4 beta, i dont have the soft either, not sure there was one might just be a upcoming note
[21:10] <del_diablo> filgy: Ext3 is compitable with 2, but 4 is not compitable with 2.
[21:10] <filgy> Dr_Willis: that's what i thought too
[21:10] <oCtodur> filgy: good to hear ;)
[21:10] <Dr_Willis> filgy:  i may be backwards perhaps ya can mount ext3 as ext4 ?
[21:10] <oCtodur> i hope this gets attention for the official release
[21:10] <tgpraveen> Dr_Willis: yeah of ur desktop/ my computer where the icons are shown if you are usng the default humanity theme?
[21:10] <filgy> del_diablo: Dr_Willis  said according to the ext4 wiki... ext4 is compatible with ext3...
[21:10] <filgy> del_diablo: not ext2
[21:10]  * Dr_Willis rereads at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4
[21:11] <filgy> del_diablo  and Dr_Willis: okay.. if the ext4 filesystem uses extens then it cannot be mounted as ext3
[21:11] <del_diablo> filgy: all acces tools from Windows, are mostly buildt on ext2. That is why the pain of it exists.
[21:11] <filgy> err extents
[21:11] <del_diablo> filgy: How to turn them of then?
[21:12] <Dr_Willis> scren shot uploading to ----> http://drop.io/dr_willis
[21:12] <arand> What's the staus of defragging for ext4 btw, wasn't that supposed to be a new and shiny feature for it?
[21:12] <HoopyCat> you should be able to mount ext3 as ext4 and then mount it as ext3 again, UNLESS you do the magic full conversion to ext4 (with the extents, etc)
[21:12] <janhouse> I found one really scratched cd-rw. I will try to burn debian net installation iso file (smallest there is). Can I install ubuntu over debian?
[21:13] <del_diablo> HoopyCat: It does not work that way............... sadly..........................
[21:13] <HoopyCat> janhouse:  in theory, you might be able to once you get over any dpkg/apt version differences, but it's not going to be easy and it probably won't work the first time.
[21:13] <janhouse> ok.
[21:13] <filgy> del_diablo: mount it with the option -o noextents
[21:14] <janhouse> can I install ubuntu using net boot?
[21:14] <filgy> del_diablo: that would be under linux though.. not sure under windows
[21:14] <janhouse> I have LAN
[21:14] <sebsebseb> janhouse: yes of course
[21:14] <sebsebseb> janhouse: I have no idea how to do it though
[21:14] <janhouse> how can I make it?
[21:14] <janhouse> lol :D
[21:14] <sebsebseb> janhouse: you need two computers
[21:14] <janhouse> that is a problem :D
[21:14] <tgpraveen> Dr_Willis: umm still not there?
[21:14] <janhouse> I have even more :D
[21:14] <del_diablo> filgy: .................................. the question was ext4 from windows.............................
[21:14] <tgpraveen> at that link in images section
[21:14] <sebsebseb> janhouse: I think you like send the kernel over  from one computer to the other using the lan or something
[21:14] <sebsebseb> !install |  janhouse
[21:15] <filgy> del_diablo: i don't believe it is possible then
[21:15] <Dr_Willis> tgpraveen:   i got 4 screenshots there.. the latest has the browser whowing the ext4 wiki page. and your icons
[21:15] <oCtodur> btw did they solve the writing from ext3(/4) to ntfs partitions ?
[21:15] <callnett> bazhang: is better if i download another version?
[21:15] <sebsebseb> oCtodur: Ubuntu has had  stable  read and write NTFS support since 7.10
[21:15] <filgy> oCtodur: when did that bug happen ?
[21:15] <oCtodur> cool =)))
[21:15] <del_diablo> oCtodur: That is one unclear question
[21:15] <oCtodur> havent been involved for a while =)
[21:15] <oCtodur> haha
[21:15] <oCtodur> well im just so damn happy with 9.10 its amazing!! =)
[21:15] <Dr_Willis> i use my external 'video storage' drives  as ntfs.
[21:15] <HoopyCat> janhouse:  actually, the installation doc linked from ubottu has a couple interesting options... you might not want to install ubuntu "atop" a debian install, but you could install ubuntu "from" a debian (or other distro) installation
[21:16] <oCtodur> doing massive install on all computers here in delhi now hehe
[21:16] <sebsebseb> oCtodur: should wait untill the final
[21:16] <sebsebseb> oCtodur: before doing any  proper installs
[21:16] <tgpraveen> Dr_Willis: kk got ti. THanks.
[21:16] <oCtodur> yeah now mostly friends that are impressed
[21:16] <oCtodur> i told em to wait but they dont want to hehe
[21:16] <del_diablo> sebsebseb: Don't warn people, EVER.
[21:16] <oCtodur> im not warned at all actually, the beta is perfect on my lappy thats had a lot of problems in linux before
[21:17] <filgy> del_diablo: why should people not be warned ?
[21:17] <del_diablo> sebsebseb: especialy is they can live with the consequenses of something minor going wrong.
[21:17] <oCtodur> all runs so smooth now, except some minior video issues
[21:17] <del_diablo> filgy: They should, but if they are already prepeared for it then its just idiocy per definition.
[21:18] <filgy> del_diablo: how do you know if they are prepared for it? do you have a mind reading device that works over irc ?
[21:18] <oCtodur> linux involve reading =)
[21:18] <sebsebseb> filgy: he is a troll probably he was being stupid in #ubuntu not that long ago
[21:18] <filgy> sebsebseb: yea i'm pretty sure he is
[21:18] <HoopyCat> del_diablo:  in the long run, i probably wouldn't bet on being able to access linux filesystems from windows... through history, it often turns out that freely-developable operating systems can access filesystems from less-freely-developable operating systems than the other way around
[21:18] <tgpraveen> Dr_Willis: what are the drive type of "torrent download" and videos1000? did you give them special icons?
[21:18] <del_diablo> filgy: If somebody said once that "i don't care" or something in a similare matter, then its useless. And sebsebseb have i already encountered, he kept warning me over idiocy.
[21:18] <filgy> sebsebseb: a troll wanting help.. that's the funny part
[21:19] <HoopyCat> del_diablo:  so you might be better off storing your shared data on an NTFS filesystem (which has some caveats of its own with linux support, yes)
[21:19] <del_diablo> HoopyCat: hehe, i am going to use it for storing a small .sh script for dragging down everything from a minimal install.
[21:19] <del_diablo> *for
[21:20] <sebsebseb> filgy: yeah
[21:20] <HoopyCat> del_diablo:  oh heck.  hmm.
[21:21] <del_diablo> Does anybody know if ntfs-3g is installed default on minimal install?
[21:21] <mdmcginn> Where are virtual host settings, if not in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled? I'm still reaching a site that isn't included there.
[21:22] <jbeitler> del_diablo: no minimal is just that.. there is only what is necessary to boot the machine and install other software
[21:22] <mfraz74> i've got it installed here, and i don't recall installing it myself
[21:22] <del_diablo> jbeitler: k, thanks.
[21:22] <mfraz74> oh sorry
[21:23] <HoopyCat> mdmcginn:  you've restarted apache, right?  barring that, grep --recursive --ignore-case whateveritis.com /etc/apache2/* should find it (i'd hope)
[21:25] <filgy> mdmcginn: virtual host settings can be in the main apache config file i believe
[21:25] <filgy> httpd.conf
[21:26] <unknown> hello, today after update I can't run X anymore.. anyone know about this issue, or can point me what can I do to check where is the problem?
[21:26] <luc_> hi, no sound out of amarok ?
[21:27] <luc_> daily build
[21:27] <mdmcginn> Grepping shows the site name  in a file that only exists as a hidden backup (/etc/apache2/sites-available/myoldsite.com~)
[21:27] <del_diablo> unknown: What graphic card do you have?
[21:27] <vega-_> unknown: /var/log/Xorg.0.log would be the first place to look
[21:28] <unknown> del_diablo: ati
[21:28] <filgy> mdmcginn: depending on how your config is setup... it may be loading all files from sites-available/
[21:28] <unknown> radeon 4870\
[21:28] <filgy> mdmcginn: so that may still be getting loaded
[21:28] <del_diablo> unknown:  post the log over here http://nopaste.com/ , and link it to us
[21:29] <unknown> del_diablo: this from /var/log/messages ?
[21:29] <mdmcginn> filgy, it's not in sites-available at all.
[21:29] <del_diablo> unknown: Yes the /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[21:29] <filgy> mdmcginn: i thought you said it's at sites-available/myoldsite.com~ ?
[21:30] <unknown> del_diablo: hmm... let me just think how to do this.. all what I got now is console :P
[21:30] <mdmcginn> True, It was. I removed it and restarted apache, and the same thing happens.
[21:30] <duffydack> mdmcginn,  reloaded apache? refreshed browser?
[21:30] <duffydack> mdmcginn, ah ok..  did you use a2ensite ?
[21:30] <HoopyCat> mdmcginn:  huh.  by default, it shouldn't be looking there when it reads the configs in.  it's showing the site "as it was" and not just falling back to another virtual host, right?  (apache picks weird defaults)
[21:31] <del_diablo> unknown: ok, then we do this the easy way: "sudo apt-get install pastebinit && pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[21:31] <del_diablo> unknown: and give us the link
[21:31] <filgy> mdmcginn: check your httpd.conf file.. see if it is parsing other config files/dirs from a location other than /etc/apache2 maybe
[21:32] <HoopyCat> mdmcginn:  and the hits are showing up in your access log?  (making sure it's not caching somewhere, or maybe the DNS record has been pointed elsewhere already...)
[21:32] <mdmcginn> I'll check httpd.conf again.
[21:33] <unknown> del_diablo: http://pastebin.com/f31d7e7c0
[21:33] <filgy> mdmcginn: you might wanna check the other config files that httpd.conf includes.. since another config file linked from httpd.conf could also be linking to it
[21:33] <mdmcginn> Oh wait, httpd.conf has 0  bytes. All the configs are in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[21:33] <HoopyCat> old habits die hard :-)
[21:34] <pnut> is there a channel specifically for UNR??
[21:34] <bazhang> nope
[21:34] <pnut> so i can ask mah questions about it here?
[21:34] <bazhang> if its karmic sure
[21:35] <pnut> sweet
[21:35] <pnut> ok here goes...
[21:36] <pnut> i have an existing dual boot config, booting XP with Backtrack, and I want to install UNR, cuz its good..but not mess up any other partitions....can i manually partition in the free space available and set / as mount point..and install just like regular ubuntu in a dual boot config?
[21:36] <del_diablo> unknown: :( remove xorg.conf (rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf) and run "aticonfig --initial" once. That is all the advice i can give. All it complains about is that some files is missing (/etc/ati/amdpcsdb.default), so i would not know anything more.
[21:37] <wekt> Jack is working well for sound output. It was easy to install.  You can just run qjackctl to start or monitor it.
[21:38] <duffydack> software center is really cool..
[21:38] <bazhang> pnut, this is bt4?
[21:38] <pnut> yes.
[21:38] <pnut> its one of the dual boot OS's currently installed.
[21:39] <unknown> del_diablo: thanks, I've just tried, that and get an error " no supported adapters detected" what do you think to try remove that driver and try with that open driver? (I forgot what was the name of it)
[21:39] <bazhang> presumably you could just install the ubuntu-netbook-remix package (from jaunty) on top of that
[21:39] <pnut> but i like karmic
[21:39] <bazhang> then upgrade
[21:39] <pnut> lemme try this again.
[21:40] <pnut> im currently dual booting Xp with BT4 and i want to add UNR karmic to it.
[21:40] <pnut> i have 40g free space...
[21:40] <ericdb> It looks like in Karmic, the scripts /etc/acpi/video_brightness{up|down}.sh have been dropped.  Where can I customize this behavior now?
[21:40] <pnut> can i partition in that space...set mount point as / and install it normally?
[21:40] <pnut> without no0kin the other partitions?
[21:41] <del_diablo> unknown: i can't find the package name. Its xorg-driver-radeon or something
[21:41] <bazhang> pnut, iirc the karmic version has an iso for unr
[21:42] <pnut> right.  im testing it using that Iso on a SD card on my netbook as we speak
[21:42] <pnut> and i love it;
[21:42] <bazhang> pnut, and it should pick up the other installs and add to grub
[21:42] <pnut> thats what i needed to know..
[21:42] <pnut> thanks bazhang
[21:43] <bazhang> pnut, but back up first
[21:43] <unknown> del_diablo: i've removed xorg-driver-fglrx, maybe now it will run... let me check after reboot, and I'll back and tell the result
[21:43] <bazhang> it is only a beta after all and breakage can/will happen
[21:43] <pnut> yep, been running ubuntu since breezy, and i have had my fair share of screwups
[21:44] <bazhang> pnut, make sure that it sees the other installs before you go through with it of course
[21:44] <pnut> it does.
[21:44] <pnut> im at that point now :)
[21:44] <bazhang> nice
[21:44] <bazhang> ah okay :)
[21:44] <pnut> it looks like it will work just right outta the box...as a beta...
[21:44] <pnut> i love ubuntu
[21:44] <bazhang> heh
[21:44] <ioka> guys what would happen after the the final release comes up?I'm with the beta now.Installed it two days ago from daily build.
[21:45] <mfraz74> do like the new karmic unr
[21:45] <bazhang> ioka, just keep updating
[21:45] <ioka> ok
[21:45] <pnut> <3 guys, thanks for help!!
[21:45] <ioka> what is your current kernel?
[21:46] <ioka> mine is 2.6.31-14-generic .is generec OK ?
[21:46] <del_diablo> ioka .31 i belive
[21:46] <bazhang> who
[21:46] <del_diablo> ioka: that is the ubuntu kernel
[21:46] <bazhang> !info linux
[21:47] <bazhang> ioka its fine
[21:47] <ioka> because from aircrack said that it should not be generic.And i 'm missing one file.SO i can not use their patch to patch madwifi driver.The file tx.c.So they said something is wrong and I should ask ubuntu
[21:48] <ioka> that was with my wubi install.So I thought it si the wubi fault .However now with hard disk install i'm still missing the same file
[21:49] <ioka> and the generic name is still there.
[21:51] <mdmcginn> filgy and HoopyCat: I found it. /etc/hosts said "127.0.0.1 localhost myoldsite.com"
[21:53] <amgarchIn9> Hi, after upgrade to 9.10 aptitude wants to remove "binutils-static" because "they are no longer used". Can anybody with a fresh install of 9.10 check if "binutils-static" is installed?
[21:54] <ioka> i can check
[21:54] <ioka> what si the command for binutils-static ?
[21:54] <filgy> mdmcginn: sweet deal... i sorta figured it had to be in a file at another location
[21:54] <mfraz74> not installed here
[21:54] <filgy> mdmcginn: good move checking your hosts file
[21:54] <mdmcginn> I just expanded my grepping.
[21:55] <amgarchIn9> ioka: dpkg -l binutils-static
[21:55] <mdmcginn> Of course, the new configuration still isn't working after restarting apache.:)
[21:58] <unknown> del_diablo: now is ok, I had to remove the drivers, and again install it from restricted drivers menu (maybe because of kernel upgrade?) Thank You for help!
[21:59] <del_diablo> unknown: Just nice to be of some service
[21:59] <ioka> No packages found matching binutils-static.
[21:59] <ioka> 10x for the command amgarchIn9
[21:59] <unknown> ;)
[22:00] <ioka> can anyone say it he has file tx.c ?
[22:08] <phoenixandthor> Hello everyone
[22:08] <ipatrol> It won't start p
[22:08] <ipatrol> *up
[22:09] <phoenixandthor> Anyone been able to get around the "one app at a time" sound problem?
[22:09] <phoenixandthor> If I try to play runescape and listen to my favorite music in Totem, I can't get sound in Totem
[22:10] <phoenixandthor> if I start totem first, then no sound in runescape
[22:10] <phoenixandthor> happens no matter what audio apps I'm trying to run
[22:11] <UnNaturalHigh> I used to be able to set my governor in gconf-editor to default to conservative, but now that setting seems to be gone. does anyone know how I could change the default governor now?
[22:11] <rockrat> hello
[22:12] <cpjr72> phoenixandthor, does youtube in firefox + rythembox count? working for me
[22:12] <UnNaturalHigh> p.s. this is karmic
[22:12] <rockrat> how can i check resource sharing / conflicts ? thanks
[22:12] <phoenixandthor> have you tried adding the CPU freq applet to the gnome panel?
[22:12] <phoenixandthor> I just stated ANY app that uses audio is affected
[22:13] <cpjr72> ok sound working in totem, rythembox, and firefox at the same time
[22:13] <cpjr72> must be you :-(
[22:13] <phoenixandthor> Apparently I have one of those weird audio chipsets that will do hardware mixing under Windows, but not Linux
[22:14] <phoenixandthor> now I need a software mixer for simultaneous output from multiple apps
[22:14] <cpjr72> phoenixandthor, using onboard realtek (hdaudio) driver, not sure of IC# anymore
[22:14] <phoenixandthor> I play better in Open Arena when listening to heavy metal
[22:14] <phoenixandthor> I have HDA nvidia/intel
[22:15] <funkyHat> phoenixandthor: have you intentionally disabled pulseaudio?
[22:15] <phoenixandthor> not yet
[22:15] <phoenixandthor> thinking about killing it since pulse seems to be the problem (but then I have no soft mixer)
[22:15] <funkyHat> phoenixandthor: can you check that it is actually running?
[22:16] <phoenixandthor> would it show up in system monitor?
[22:16] <funkyHat> Yes
[22:16] <funkyHat> or ps aux | grep pulse
[22:16] <rockrat> how can i check resource sharing / conflicts ? thanks
[22:16] <phoenixandthor> pulseaudio is running
[22:19] <funkyHat> phoenixandthor: hm. what if you start 2 gstreamer apps (such as totem, banshee, rhythmbox)?
[22:19] <Omar87> How do I know which kernel version I'm using?
[22:19] <funkyHat> Omar87: uname -r
[22:19] <phoenixandthor> already tried
[22:20] <funkyHat> phoenixandthor: what happens?
[22:20] <phoenixandthor> whatever app I start first is the only one that has sound
[22:20] <Omar87> funkyHat, I'm trying to upgrade my kernel to version 2.6.32-020632rc5.
[22:20] <funkyHat> phoenixandthor: could you open gstreamer-properties and check you are actually using pulseaudio?
[22:21] <Omar87> funkyHat, but it seems like the system is still using version .31, how do I change that?
[22:21] <funkyHat> Omar87: did you reboot?
[22:22] <funkyHat> Why are you upgrading to 2.6.32?
[22:22] <Omar87> funkyHat, yeah, I did.
[22:22] <phoenixandthor> yes, I am using pulseaudio
[22:22] <janhouse> Wii! Finally! :)
[22:22] <janhouse> Network install rocks :)
[22:22] <janhouse> I will always try to use it from now on. :)
[22:22] <Omar87> funkyHat, because the current version seems to have an issue with KMS.
[22:22] <janhouse> No cd's no usb disks. no problems :)
[22:23] <funkyHat> phoenixandthor: and the application you are using, does it appear on the Applications tab of Sound Preferences?
[22:23] <phoenixandthor> however, in the drop down menu where you choose the device, I got 2 "Unknown"s on output and 3 on input
[22:23] <phoenixandthor> yes
[22:23] <Omar87> funkyHat, what do I do?
[22:24] <dmpjk> may i post it here?
[22:24] <funkyHat> dmpjk: if it's more than a couple of lines use a pastebin
[22:24] <funkyHat> Omar87: don't know really. I know there are special tools for debian for building kernels
[22:25] <Omar87> funkyHat, I installed from a .deb package.
[22:25] <dmpjk> right now im fetching the live dvd of karmic.
[22:25] <funkyHat> Oh right
[22:25] <dmpjk> may i post the torrent link and ask for seeders?
[22:26] <phoenixandthor> When I try running some things from a console (like Totem) it reports that it can't access the sound chips
[22:26] <bazhang> dmpjk, not here please
[22:26] <Omar87> funkyHat, where can I find help about that?
[22:26] <cellofellow> why are the daily build ISOs only the Alternate, no LiveCD images?
[22:27] <funkyHat> phoenixandthor: that is very strange. Sorry, I'm out of ideas
[22:27] <funkyHat> Omar87: maybe here? not sure
[22:27] <wekt> phoenixandthor: i use jack to get around that sound limitation. i uninstalled pulse.
[22:27] <aliendude5300> hey... I'm getting an error saying the package rtmpdump couldn
[22:27] <aliendude5300> 't be found, but I know I downloaded it before
[22:27] <aliendude5300> Does anyone know where I can get it?
[22:28] <phoenixandthor> I have had nothing but problems with jack
[22:29] <dmpjk> i have something to say about creating liveusb
[22:29] <phoenixandthor> is there a how to guide for replacing pulse with jack?
[22:29] <phoenixandthor> in karmic
[22:29] <dmpjk> i had this 8gb stick, which i tried to prepare with palimpsest
[22:29] <cellofellow> phoenixandthor: seeing as pulse and jack have entirely different protocols that's kind of impossible.
[22:30] <dmpjk> it didnt work out that well, and i ended up with using gparted for partitioning
[22:30] <dmpjk> then i could use palimp...
[22:31] <cellofellow> phoenixandthor: unless you want to use only JACK apps.
[22:31] <phoenixandthor> tha depends on how many apps have jack output plugins
[22:32] <cellofellow> some gstreamer apps do, some don't
[22:33] <funkyHat> Surely it would make more sense for _gstreamer_ to have a JACK output
[22:34] <aliendude5300> sigh... it really seems like rtmpdump is gone... :(
[22:35] <phoenixandthor> let me se if running alsaconf helps
[22:35] <phoenixandthor> wheres the alsa utils package?
 so at least 1 is wrong. :) <- :(
[22:37] <phoenixandthor> how do I reconfigure my sound without alsaconf command? dpkg --reconfigure?
[22:39] <dupondje> Are there plans to make Grub2 boot nicer ?
[22:39] <dupondje> as now there can be nice backgrounds etc ?
[22:41] <amgarchIn9> is there a way to fiind out what is the difference between the current and default installs by listing the package names?
[22:41] <Omar87> Can someone please help me? I'm trying to upgrade my kernel to 2.6.32-020632rc5, but the system still uses that previous one.
[22:41] <joaopinto> dupondje, probably for lucid
[22:41] <amgarchIn9> Omar87: check /boot/grub/menu.lst
[22:42] <joaopinto> Omar87, why do you need such kernel version ?
[22:42] <joaopinto> amgarchIn9, that file is not available with grub2
[22:43] <dupondje> joaopinto: lucid ? 10.04 ,
[22:43] <dupondje> ?
[22:43] <joaopinto> yes
[22:43] <amgarchIn9> joaopinto: is it possible to upgrade to grub2? My install is not a fresh one: 8.04 -> ... all the way -> 9.10
[22:43] <Omar87> joaopinto, the current one has a problem with kms.
[22:43] <dupondje> !grub2
[22:43] <dupondje> :)
[22:44] <dupondje> joaopinto: ok :p think I will be using it from Alpha 2 again :p
[22:44] <Omar87> amgarchIn9, I couldn't find that file.
[22:46] <amgarchIn9> Omar87, joaopinto: omg, they changed everything in grub-2, I think I'll stay with grub-1 for the moment. What are the advantages?
[22:47] <amgarchIn9> Omar87: I am not yet familiar with grub-2
[22:48] <Omar87> amgarchIn9, anyone else here is?
[22:48] <coz_> Omar87,  not much ...what is it you want to do?
[22:49] <Omar87> coz_, I need to upgrade to Kernel version 2.6.32-020632rc5.
[22:49] <coz_> Omar87,  ok
[22:49] <coz_> Omar87,   and grub2 didnt pick it up?
[22:49] <Omar87> coz_, no.
[22:49] <coz_> Omar87,    sudo update-grub
[22:50] <timber> hey, the command ALT+SHIFT+TAB doesn't work
[22:50] <timber> anyone knows why?
[22:51] <coz_> timber,  hold on let me check
[22:51] <Omar87> coz_, does that look like it's updated? http://pastebin.com/d7caf1f4b
[22:51] <coz_> timber,  are you running  compiz?
[22:51] <timber> yes
[22:52] <coz_> Omar87,  mm
[22:52] <timber> i made an update today and then the command "disappeared"
[22:52] <coz_> timber,   and what are you using alt shift tab for?
[22:52] <timber> coz_: for nothing
[22:52] <coz_> timber,  mm   what would you expect it to do?
[22:54] <Omar87> coz_, is it??
[22:54] <coz_> Omar87,   is the new kernel listed there?
[22:54] <Omar87> coz_, where?
[22:54] <timber> coz_: i expect the command go back an app when i use ALT+TAB
[22:55] <timber> coz_: like CTRL+SHIFT+TAB on firefox, moves to the previous tab
[22:55] <coz_> Omar87,  sorry I was asking if it was  I am having video issues here so cant see the link you gave me
[22:55] <Omar87> video issues?
[22:55] <coz_> timber,  you want a window picker to run with that?
[22:55] <Omar87> There's no video in there. :)
[22:56] <Omar87> coz_, it's a pastebin entry.
[22:56] <coz_> Omar87,  yeah I two caps on my video card blew taking a monitor and my memor along with it...I am running a very low end card right now on two old crt monitors
[22:56] <timber> coz_: no...yesterday and always this command worked fine, without installing nothing extra...now it's gone...i want it back
[22:56] <coz_> Omar87,  rught I cant read much in firefox right now
[22:56] <amgarchIn9> this is new dmesg, is it ok?: [   28.156477] type=1503 audit(1255728347.703:26): operation="open" pid=1143 parent=1142 profile="/usr/sbin/mysqld" requested_mask="r::" denied_mask="r::" fsuid=0 ouid=0 name="/sys/devices/system/cpu/"
[22:56] <coz_> timber,  so it is not for window scroll picker?
[22:56] <Omar87> coz_, no, the new kernel is not listed there.
[22:57] <Omar87> coz_, should I install it again?
[22:57] <timber> coz_: that's the name of it? i'm brazilian, i don't know the name
[22:57] <coz_> Omar87,  no  I would  assume you already restarted?
[22:57] <timber> coz_: if do what always did...i want
[22:58] <coz_> Omar87,  if no one can help here  then I suggest the  #grub  channel :)
[22:58] <Omar87> coz_, after of before the update-grub?
[22:58] <coz_> Omar87,  after installing new kernel
[22:58] <Omar87> coz_, that's what I'm thinking as well. :)
[22:59] <Omar87> coz_, yes I have.
[22:59] <coz_> Omar87,   I would restart first  to see if the new kernel is picked up in grub if not   then go to the #grub channel and let them know  what the issue is...most of us are still catching up with grub2
[23:00] <timber> coz_: do you know if it's a bug?
[23:00] <Omar87> coz_, I did reboot, but couldn't find the new kernel.
[23:01] <coz_> Omar87,  ok go to #grub channel by typing here     /join #grub
[23:01] <coz_> timber,  not sure guy   but since I can be of little help here with this system the way it is I am going to let others take this  issue
[23:02] <Omar87> coz_, thanks, I already did that. :)
[23:02] <amgarchIn9> Omar87: BTW where did you get that fresh kernel
[23:02] <amgarchIn9> ?
[23:03] <timber> could you test the ALt+SHIFT+TAB command?
[23:25] <aliendude5300> Anyone know how to replay Wireshark packet captures?
[23:29] <Charli> hello
[23:30] <kblin> hi folks
[23:30] <Charli> hi
[23:30] <Charli> how are you?
[23:31] <kblin> fine, thanks
[23:31] <kblin> I'm experiencing some issues trying to safe-upgrade my karmic install
[23:32] <kblin> my system is complaining about libesd-alsa0: Conflicts: libesd0 but 0.2.41-5 is installed.
[23:32] <Charli> bummer
[23:32] <Charli> i h8 complaining
[23:32] <Charli> ;)
[23:33] <kblin> hm, it seems like removing qemu fixed it
[23:33] <MJEvans> How do I just -file a ###! bug- ????      I've collected all the files I need to submit, and no longer have the ubuntu system online.
[23:35] <MJEvans> The report a bug link just takes me to that useless off-site ubuntu link
[23:38] <ioka> cya guys.Ubuntu sometimes and in general linux make me really mad.But this is all because I 'm not use to it and i know nothing about linux in general.But i wanna learn and i'm happy that there is ubuntu on this world.It is awesome
[23:41] <xcvbfghjk> dtchen: I don't think so.
[23:42] <xcvbfghjk> dtchen: Sorry, my internet connection is a bit temperamental.
[23:42] <Charli> haha
[23:43] <xcvbfghjk> dtchen: Also, I feel a bit suicidal.
[23:48] <dtchen> xcvbfghjk: sorry, but i'm utterly lacking in context for "I don't think so"
[23:48] <dtchen> xcvbfghjk: mind refreshing me, please?
[23:48] <dtchen> xcvbfghjk: as for feeling suicidal, please get assistance; I can only help with audio ATM ;)
[23:48] <xcvbfghjk> (19:19:15) dtchen: xcvbfghjk: do you have an optical/spdif jack?
[23:48] <xcvbfghjk> dtchen: Yeah, I'm going to cry myself to sleep tonight. :(
[23:49] <xcvbfghjk> Hopefully tomorrow will be better.
[23:51] <BUGabundo> dtchen: ahaahahahahahaha
[23:51] <xcvbfghjk> dtchen: I really want things I'm unable to have right now. :(
[23:51] <BUGabundo> xcvbfghjk: calm down!
[23:51] <BUGabundo> feel free to enjoy community free hugs!
[23:51] <xcvbfghjk> dtchen: Computer, girlfriend, car, sex, Dr Pepper, a night out with friends, etc.
[23:51] <rob0> Work on peace of mind first, computer issues later.
[23:51] <dtchen> yeah, find Dr Pepper STAT
[23:52] <xcvbfghjk> dtchen: I'm suffering from withdrawal symptoms!
[23:52] <xcvbfghjk> dtchen: The shops are closed now. :(
[23:52] <rob0> pepper://drpepper.com/
[23:52] <xcvbfghjk> dtchen: I was planning to go out with a 14 year old girl whom I bought £10 of alcohol for today.
[23:53] <xcvbfghjk> dtchen: She didn't phone me, though. :(
[23:53] <rob0> PoIP ... pepper over IP
[23:53] <BUGabundo> ohhhh
[23:53] <BUGabundo> this is going to end up wrong
[23:53] <xcvbfghjk> So I phoned her boyfriend but he wasn't answering his mobile telephone.
[23:53] <bazhang> !ot
[23:55] <nemo> PulseAudo + SDL: 100% CPU, static.  PA +  SDL + sdlmix pulse audio lib: perfect  PulseAudio + openal: 100% CPU, static
[23:55] <nemo> I'm reporting this to ask if some of the folks here who loooove pulseaudio
[23:55] <nemo> can suggest a workaround for getting openal to work
[23:55] <nemo> at the moment I think the suggestion for ubuntu users may simply be to turn off sound or disable pulse
[23:55] <nemo> now granted this isn't on all platforms
[23:56] <nemo> AC'97 Intel 82801FB sound with Intel 915GM display
[23:58] <dtchen> nemo: err, which audio backend is being used for libsdl in those instances?
[23:58] <dtchen> nemo: i.e., all libsdl1.2debian?
[23:58] <dtchen> nemo: or libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio
[23:58] <nemo> dtchen: the 2nd one is the debian-pulseaudio. that's the one that works
[23:59] <nemo> dtchen: however we are moving to openal
[23:59] <dtchen> nemo: well, yes, that's because the ALSA backend in libsdl has some serious bugs
[23:59] <nemo> dtchen: we might also try to circomvent pulseaudio in specifcying openalsoft config, but that's a last resort
[23:59] <nemo> dtchen: SDL is not the issue, we have a workaround there
[23:59] <dtchen> nemo: they were only recently fixed -- as in this week
[23:59] <nemo> openal is :)
[23:59] <nemo> dtchen: I just tested openal minutes ago. still fails hard on that HW combo
[23:59] <dtchen> well, what is openal doing with its backend?