/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/10/16/#ubuntu+1.txt

rr72maco~ apt-cach showpkg gnome-vfs-obexftp is practicly empty00:00
mzzmaco: fwiw: I can reproduce that. Looks like the "gnome" metapackage is just broken00:05
mzzerr, s/maco/r772/00:05
mzzrr72 even, gah00:05
rr72thanksyou mzz00:05
mzzrr72: you don't really need that meta though. Perhaps just install ubuntu-desktop instead?00:06
rr72i dont want the whole thing, just gnome desktop00:06
mzzrr72: try gnome-desktop-environment?00:06
rr72hahahahaha00:07
mzzrr72: if you "apt-cache show gnome" you'll find most, if not all, of what it offers isn't critical00:07
rr72mzz it's broken too00:07
mzzyou're right, it is00:08
rr72fast-user-switch-applet00:08
mzzrr72: how much does ubuntu-desktop pull in that's actually problematic?00:08
rr72file LP bugs or no because it is unstable?00:08
mzzfiling them sounds reasonable to me00:08
rr72not sure actually, will do a 'test' install00:08
mzzbut that doesn't necessarily mean it is (I don't know how good the automated tools catching this kind of thing are)00:09
rr72file under 'gnome' and 'gnome-desktop-environment' or gnome-vfs-obexftp?00:09
mzzrr72: I suspect those broken "gnome" metapackages are largely inherited from debian and haven't been updated to work with karmic00:09
mzzthe bug's with the meta, imho00:09
mzz(so the former)00:10
mzzI don't think gnome-desktop-environment should be depending on fam, for example00:10
rr72so file gnome, got it00:10
mzz(gamin and fam conflict, and you normally want gamin these days)00:11
rr72gamin and fam conflict? I don't understand sorry00:11
mzzso I'm pretty sure those metas are just stale (although I'm a bit surprised automated tools didn't catch that, or if they did it's not fixed yet)00:11
dtchenmzz: the real bug is that gamin doesn't also Provides: fam00:12
mzzdtchen: maybe, maybe not! I don't know what the intended meaning of "fam" is00:12
* mzz checks for more rdepends on fam00:12
dtchenmzz: it just seems to be an oversight, since libgamin0 clearly properly Provides and Conflicts/Replaces libfam000:13
mzzhmm, that's likely.00:13
dtchenno, seriously. I remember this bug from gusty00:13
dtchenjust never got around to filing the bug and fixing it.00:13
mzzstill, gnome-desktop-environment shouldn't be depending on fast-user-switch-applet if that isn't in the repos00:13
chestyhello, I dpkg-reconfigured -plow slapd and expected to be prompted for an admin password, however this didn't happen. how do I add an admin to slapd?00:13
mzz(and arguably most if not all stuff that still depends on fam should depend on gamin instead (except for the obvious fam-dbgsym and libfam0)00:14
dtchenmzz: not necessary if you simply make gamin Provides: fam00:15
mzzdtchen: still necessary for those weirdos that don't have gamin installed yet, if I understand the mechanism correctly00:15
dtchenmzz: no, it's unnecessary00:16
mzzwell, not so much "necessary" as "desirable"00:16
dtchenmzz: libgamin0 Depends: gamin00:16
mzzyes00:16
mzzbut they wouldn't be getting libgamin0 if they have neither gamin nor fam (nor their lib friends) installed yet, right?00:16
Myxbthere is a conflict between libavcodec-unstripped-52 and libavutil-unstripped-49 in the very recent update. the '52 is supposed to depend on the '49?00:17
dtchenarguably they shouldn't be getting it at all00:17
rr72!bug 45126600:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 451266 in meta-gnome2 "meta-gnome2 not installable, broken package dependencies" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45126600:17
dtchengvfs subsumes it00:17
rr72dtchen~ was filed already00:17
macodtchen: grep "^Codec\|^Vendor Id\|^Subsystem Id\|^Revision Id" /proc/asound/card*/*codec*{,/*} | grep -B2 -A1 $(lspci -nv | grep -A1 0403 | grep Subsystem | sed 's/://g' | awk '{ print $2 }')00:18
macodtchen: muahaha that one narrows it down to the codec of the hda device instead of including the modem00:19
dtchenmaco: um00:22
macodtchen: not ok? :(00:23
rr72maco there was a bug filed on LP, confirmed it00:23
dtchenmaco: we deliberately match Subsystem in the codec output, because it's very much ok for it to differ from the lspci -nv output00:23
suranybody succeeded to run freenx on Karmic?00:23
macodtchen: aw crudmuffins. i was trying to figure out how to tell which codec#* is the actual audio device and which is the modem00:23
macobut yeah i guess itd fail when you have > 100:24
dtchenmaco: then you also need to look at ^Function00:24
dtchenmaco: however, due to codec slot ordering, there is no guarantee that the first slot will not be the modem00:24
macodtchen: i realize that. thats why im saying you need some way to tell *which* slot to compare when trying to figure out if its a dup00:25
dtchenmaco: no, the slot/function is a red herrying00:25
dtchenherring*00:25
macoyou and i know that "Realtek" or "Sigmatel" are very likely to be the one we're looking at, not the modem...but how do *other* people know this?00:26
macoyeah well ^Function doesnt exist in my output so...00:26
BUGabundobou pra caminha00:26
dtchenbe careful00:26
dtchenIDT/Sigmatel and Realtek do ship modem functionality on different slots00:26
macoboo hiss00:26
dtchenjust because yours doesn't expose it doesn't mean another revision doesn't00:27
macothere's got to be a way to get this down to information that isnt just inside your head00:27
dtchenhuh? it's not just inside my head00:27
dtchenit's all over the webernet00:27
macoin usably small words?00:27
macoand in usably small chunks?00:28
dtchengoogle does a very good job00:28
dtchenso do the unwashed masses who complain bitterly00:28
macoim just trying to come up with a simple recipe for ballparkin whether you are or are not experiencing the same bug as someone else00:28
dtchenwe're a ways from that00:29
macogrr00:29
dtchenyou need to combine all that info with hda-analyzer and hda-emu before it's any less of a headache00:29
macoO_o00:30
rr72thankyou guys00:30
dtchenwhat you're describing is closer to symptom-based reporting, but the backend triagers will still need to do a lot of grunt work00:30
macoi wouldnt mind working on those triggers00:30
macobut id need you to approve them00:30
macobecause youll know the corner cases00:30
dtchensome of them00:32
macoim thinking, at the moment, user goes to lp and puts in "no mute headphones" and finds 50 bugs that say the speakers arent muted when they plug in headphones. so they think "oh, i must be one of these"....those 4 things in teh codec output can *at least* say "very likely not the same bug" but cant necessarily say "definitely the same bug"00:32
dtcheni keep uncovering new ones00:32
macoif the user can quickly see that it is very likely not hte same bug, we save the headache of "i have this bug too!"00:33
macoin 99% of the cases00:33
Kajinsider stuff eh/00:33
dtchenit's really closer to 50%00:35
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macodtchen: that's it?? :(00:36
macodtchen: 50% > 0%, yes?00:36
hipitihopI'm trying to get my iMon based remote working with lirc 0.8.6 however it seems that usbhid is grabbing the device see http://paste.ubuntu.com/294277/ can someone advise how I can disable usbhid for this device ?00:45
XiXaQSystem > Administration > Permissions are severely lacking in choices. Is there something wrong with my system, or will options be added later?00:48
plaziaanyone with an x-fi card noticed that when you turn the master volume down in gnome it appears to take the sample rate or bitrate down. the quality goes terrible. turn the volume back up to max and it returns to normal quality?00:50
mzzXiXaQ: I don't have that option. Do you know what package offers it?00:50
XiXaQmzz, it may be called something else in English. I'm using Norwegian. I'm talking about the PolicyKit editor.00:52
XiXaQto be more exact: polkit-gnome-authorization00:53
mzzah00:53
mzzXiXaQ: that's part of polkit-0.9, and most stuff migrated to polkit-100:54
mzzI don't know what the polkit-1 equivalent is00:54
* mzz searches00:54
szczurhi00:55
szczuri instaled Ubuntu Karmic Server Beta and i have small problem with WiFi00:56
szczuron 9.04 there was a acx111 module for D-Link DWL-520+ card but in 9.10 this module is nonexistent00:57
XiXaQmzz, there is an issue with scanning, that you're required to gain root access in order to use the scanner. I guess that's a policykit-thing, but I can't find any configuration for it.00:57
szczurso i don't have internet on my Desktop right now and i had to switch to Windows :(00:57
mzzXiXaQ: it may not be. I'd expect that to be a groups thing.00:58
mzzXiXaQ: can you figure out if it's failing to get access to a device node, and what the permissions on the node are?00:58
mzzXiXaQ: (strace may be of use)00:58
szczurand another issue is that grub2 didn't found my Windows XP instalation01:01
XiXaQmzz, node?01:01
oorahmy screen brightness is flickering up and down. is this a bug thats already been reported?01:02
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h00koorah: not as in the flickering that happens when its not plugged into power (laptop?)01:03
oorahh00k, its plugged in01:03
h00koorah: gotcha.  I don't know :(01:03
oorahshould i report it?01:04
mzzXiXaQ: file below /dev/usb/01:04
mzzXiXaQ: err, /dev/bus/usb/01:04
h00koorah: give it a shot, check to see if someone already did01:04
oorahi just did some updates. i'm gonna restart and see what happens brb01:05
oorahwhere do i go to report a bug?01:08
vividyay, blank terminals are fixed01:09
h00koorah: launchpad.org01:09
h00k!launchpad > oorah01:09
ubottuoorah, please see my private message01:09
theftfhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu01:09
XiXaQmzz, then 001 (if that's the scanners bus) should automatically belong to the scanner group, for instance?01:10
mzzXiXaQ: I don't know. Mainly I'd check what group the stuff there *is* in, and if there's a group like "scanner" involved make sure I'm in it01:10
XiXaQmzz, no, it belongs to root:root01:11
mzzXiXaQ: hmm. Unfortunately I don't have a scanner so I can't trivially check how this *should* work01:11
mzzoh hey, udev rules. Sec.01:12
XiXaQah!01:12
hrnhello01:13
mzzXiXaQ: if it's recognized as a known scanner (via /lib/udev/rules.d/40-libsane.rules) it should be getting an acl applied that allows someone logged in on the physical system to use it01:13
szczuranyone?01:13
XiXaQmzz, oh, ok. The driver for the scanner was installed manually.01:14
mzzXiXaQ: you should be able to use the "getfacl" tool to see that acl, but I don't know exactly what device node to run that tool on01:14
mzzXiXaQ: if that acl isn't there I'd add a udev rule to mark it as a known scanner, so the acl logic kicks in01:14
hrnis that normal, that i cannot start the acerhdf kernel module?01:15
mzzXiXaQ: that is: put a rule similar to the ones in 40-libsane.rules matching your scanner in /etc/udev/rules.d/40-my-scanner.rules or the like, then (probably) tell udev to reread the rules (forgot how to do that), then replug the scanner01:16
mzzhrn: depends on what kind of system you're on, obviously01:16
mzzhrn: did you just install the beta? Make sure you're fully updated01:16
hrnkubuntu 9.10 beta01:16
hrni am fully updaten01:16
hrnupdatet01:16
mzzhrn: (the beta loaded that module on most or all acers, it got fixed to only load it on systems that should actually support it)01:16
XiXaQmzz, a reboot will for it to reread it, to keep things simple?01:17
hrndmesg|grep acerhdf says01:17
mzzXiXaQ: yes01:17
hrnthat the fan controll is not enabled01:17
mzzhrn: are you sure you rebooted since you updated?01:17
hrnwhen i do01:17
mzzhrn: (that is: which kernel are you running?)01:17
mzzhrn: (uname -a will tell)01:17
hrnsudo echo -n "enabled" .../mode01:17
hrni rebooted01:18
hrnmom01:18
ZeikfriedHow would i get recordmydesktop to record audio output from amarok?01:18
hrn2.6.31-14-generic #47-Ubuntu SMP Thu Oct 15 02:08:08 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux01:18
mzzXiXaQ: and if that works you should probably file a bug, of course01:18
mzzhrn: ok, so that's current. Sec.01:19
XiXaQmzz, I will. Reading the README in /etc/udev/rules.d, it seems it's being watched using inotify for changes. I think that means no action should be necessary in order to make it reread files.01:19
MartynUbuntuOne is down ...01:20
hrnbash: /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/mode: Permission denied01:20
hrnis says then01:20
mzzXiXaQ: ah, neat (I was hoping it did that). You should probably still replug the scanner.01:20
Martynfilestore backend is broken01:20
hrnk01:20
hrnis it better to hl everyone always?01:21
mzzhrn: that's correct, you need to do that as root (a trick is "echo -n enabled | sudo tee /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/mode", iirc)01:21
mzzhrn: define "hl"?01:21
hrnhighlight01:21
hrnhere in irc01:21
mzzhrn: that'll definitely help when you're talking to me and you can tell I'm talking to more than one person01:21
hrn:)01:21
hrnmzz: so just paste that in " " into konsole01:22
mzzhrn: I don't actually own hardware that supports acerhdf, so I can't tell if running that echo is desirable.01:22
mzzhrn: without the quotes, obviously, but yes.01:22
BluesKajZeikfried, expalin what you are trying to do ...are you trying to record streaming audio ?01:22
hrnmzz: k01:22
mzz(specifically: I have an acer, but it's a much older model)01:23
ZeikfriedI am playing amarok and recording with recordmydesktop, but i have no sound upon playback of the recorded video.01:23
hrnwow these silence01:23
hrnit works01:23
t0cableguyhi.. so heres the prob.. i have two computers with the same error with the 32 bit desktop karmic iso install . they both boot into the livesession and come up with the low disk space error. anybody else have an issue like that?01:24
mzzhrn: hmm, not sure why that's not done by default then.01:24
mzzhrn: (and obviously make sure it really *is* working, and not just forcing the fan off!)01:24
MsMacoZeikfried: maybe you need to have a mic in front of the speakers?01:24
BluesKajZeikfried, what are you recording ?01:24
ZeikfriedJust my desktop.01:24
MsMacoi think recordmydesktop only records audio from an input, doesnt record your outputs01:24
hrni used acerhdf sometimes ago.01:24
ZeikfriedBut i am playing music in amarok that i would like it to record into the video as well, but it isnt recording audio.01:25
hrnmzz: another problem with the plasma netbook application screen01:25
XiXaQmzz, I connected a usb scanner here. It works, but I have no entry for it in /etc/udev/rules.d01:25
MsMacoZeikfried: put a mic in front of your speakers01:25
ZeikfriedThat suck.....01:26
hrnthere are missing some menu items01:26
mzzXiXaQ: well, you normally shouldn't have to create those rules by hand, they *should* be listed already :)01:26
mzzhrn: I don't currently use that launcher, although perhaps I should!01:26
* mzz checks how much stuff it pulls in01:26
ZeikfriedI SHOULD be able to record normally if i had an option for WAVE in my ALSA mixer.01:26
ZeikfriedBut there isnt one.01:26
BluesKajvlc, Zeikfried , forget amarok ..look in the options to add audio to video tracks01:26
MsMacoan option for wav?01:27
MsMacoyeah just use a video editor and dub it01:27
hrnthe last two columns of the menu items are missing^^01:27
hrnor is somebody else using this netbook edition?01:28
XiXaQmzz, I'm not the one having an issue with the scanner. it's a fellow in another channel. Here, scanning works fine in karmic, but I'm using a scanner that's supported. He had to install a driver manually. Neither one of us has anything belonging to scanning in /etc/udev/rules.d01:28
hrnand why does firefox have just that big font?01:29
mzzXiXaQ: that's normal, the default rules are in /lib/udev/rules.d01:29
mzzhrn: firefox using a big font might happen if your screen has a high enough resolution that the size of a css pixel doubles, sec01:30
test34hand gesture recognition with webcam?01:30
hrnthe menu font of ff is very big, too01:30
XiXaQmzz, however, my usb bus for the scanner belongs to the group "lp".01:30
mzzhrn: try http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Toolbars+and+page+content+appear+too+large+after+upgrading+to+Firefox+301:30
slackranyone experiencing popping sounds from tab completes in shell? i have realtek ACL889A if that matters01:30
hrnthx01:30
mzzXiXaQ: you shouldn't have to mess with the bus, just with the node for the actual scanner. And "lp" seems off (I'd expect that to mean "printer")01:31
mzzslackr: works for me, but there have been some fixes involving power management that may be relevant. Make sure you're updated.01:31
mzztest34: what?01:31
slackrmzz: ah yes, will try01:32
test34mzz, do you know of any good program to do some kind of gesture recognition using a webcam?01:32
XiXaQmzz, I have a multifunction printer with scanner. It seems to be the same device.01:32
mzzheh, is running netbook-launcher inside a regular gnome session actually supposed to work?01:33
mzzit runs, but ignores mouse input01:33
mzztest34: maybe! sec01:33
mzztest34: aww, looks like http://code.google.com/p/ehci/ just does heads, not gestures01:34
XiXaQmzz, I didn't understand that last message.01:34
mzzXiXaQ: oh, and iiuc I was wrong about this involving groups: it should be giving access to users logged in on the physical system, using a combo of consolekit and acls. Is there a "+" in the "ls -l" output for the device node?01:34
mzzXiXaQ: which one?01:35
XiXaQmzz, /dev/bus/usb/003/002 is my multifunction scanner, and it belongs to root:root01:35
test34thanks mzz I'll take a look.. but moving my arms or hands would probably be better01:35
mzzXiXaQ: is there a "+" in the ls -l output (next to the permissions)?01:35
hrnstill the same problem with to big toolbar fonts01:35
XiXaQmzz, yes, there is. What does that mean?01:35
mzztest34: I never looked for gesture recognition exactly, so it's entirely possible there's an opensource lib for that too01:35
mzzXiXaQ: probably that the acl stuff I keep mentioning was applied01:36
XiXaQmzz, in the other guys setup, that + is missing.01:36
test34mzz, there's opencv (computer vision) library I think, but I was hoping to find a complete program01:36
mzztest34: yeah, I was thinking of opencv (only I forgot the name :)01:36
mzzXiXaQ: yes. Then see above about creating an udev rule01:37
hrnmaybe ill go to bed, and ask some later time, its still in beta stadium, maaybe i should wait...01:37
XiXaQmzz, I have no template for making such a file though.01:37
mzzXiXaQ: lsusb should give you the right ids to put in there, and /lib/udev/rules.d/40-libsane.rules has examples01:37
XiXaQmzz, oh, I'm sorry. I think I misread.01:38
alteregoahigh01:41
alteregoathe 190x nvidia runs with 9.10?01:41
bjsnideryes01:42
test34whats the point of having a strong passphrase for your encrypted home partition if your user password automatically unencrypt it?01:43
XiXaQmzz, should I edit the rules-file in /lib as well, or isn't that important?01:43
mzzXiXaQ: I wouldn't edit stuff in /lib01:44
mzzXiXaQ: (it'd work, it might need a manual udev restart since I'm not sure it monitors that rules.d too, but generally editing files in package-managed directories like /etc is unhygienic)01:44
slackrah some progress possibly, fwe pops while running upgrade01:44
XiXaQmzz, you mean in /lib?01:45
mzzXiXaQ: yes.01:46
mzzerr, yes, editing below directories like /lib, not /etc :)01:46
oorahhow do i file a bug in launchpad? the main page doesn't have a direct link01:47
mzzoorah: it's impossible.01:47
mzzoorah: try ubuntu-bug01:47
oorahmzz, how do i try that? what do i do?01:48
mzzoorah: (I exagerate (sp?) slightly, but still, try ubuntu-bug first)01:48
mzzoorah: "ubuntu-bug packagename" from the affected system.01:48
mzzoorah: (or see ubuntu-bug --help)01:48
mzzoorah: also see the instructions wiki page you're linked to if you go to http://bugs.ubuntu.com/ and click "Report a bug" (top right)01:48
oorahmzz, thanks01:49
thiebaudebug 36636001:50
ubottuLaunchpad bug 366360 in nvidia-settings "Fails to parse xorg.conf" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/36636001:50
slackrach still no fix for the move-spotifywindow-bug01:50
bjsniderthat bug was fixed by nvidia awhile back01:51
oorahmy screen brightness is flickering01:51
bjsnidernew nvidia-settings hasn't been incorporated by canonical yet01:51
thiebaudebjsnider, yea, just got mine fixed01:52
zookoPhewf.  Finally got back control of my laptop by installing Wubi!01:52
zookoNow I've got to figure out how to fix this issue with mountall vs. my custom kernel so I can boot into native linux again...01:52
dfarmHey guys, I'm having the damn PC speaker driving me crazy despite having pcspkr blacklisted. I put my 'lsmod' at http://pastebin.com/d701078bf can anyone see if I'm missing something?01:57
dfarmon karmic of course, and I didn't have this issue in Jaunty01:57
oorahi can't figure out how to report the bug of screen brightness flickering01:57
oorahi don't know what that package name is01:57
HardDiskEvening, can't seem to find the issue why nm-applet -sm-disable which is the default in ubuntu is not starting up, i have to alt-f2 and type nm-applet and it runs after that.01:58
mzzHardDisk: does ~/.xsession-errors have clues?01:58
HighBit_dfarm: I think that module is snd-pcsp01:58
HardDiski will check that mzz01:58
dfarmHighBit_, that one is blacklisted as well01:59
alteregoahttp://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_03/Wildenstein1WENN_468x696.jpg01:59
alteregoaher dad was garfield01:59
dfarmIf you look at the lsmod thing I pasted I can't see any reason that I should be hearing my pc speaker01:59
HardDiskyea mzz errors ill have to pastebin it01:59
mzzalteregoa: err, mischan?01:59
dfarmand I've got pulseaudio muted so the fact that I'm hearing anything is driving me nuts :P'01:59
HardDisktheres a .config/metacity error01:59
XiXaQmzz, I had a look at my own /lib/udev/rules.d/40-libsane.rules and it didn't have an entry for my scanner either, but it works here.02:00
alteregoamzz, yeah i thought im in #weird02:00
alteregoai got a problem02:01
alteregoaif i install those linux drivers manualy x doesnt work anymore02:01
HardDiski find a fix on some blog02:01
HardDiskill try it02:01
HardDiskhttp://shoaibmir.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/nm-applet-problems-in-ubuntu/02:01
mzzXiXaQ: try "udevadm info --query=all --name=/dev/bus/usb/blah"02:02
HighBit_dfarm: that is odd02:02
XiXaQmzz, where blah is 003/002, for instance?02:02
mzzXiXaQ: yep02:02
HardDiskhmm nope02:03
HardDiski guess ill have to google the xsession errors02:03
alteregoatelinit 302:03
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mzzHardDisk: did you pastebin .xsession-errors?02:03
XiXaQmzz, let me guess: you're looking for ACL_MANAGE=1 ?02:04
HardDiskill pastebin them now02:04
HardDiskone sec02:04
mzzXiXaQ: I was expecting that to be there, but there's other reasons that gets set02:04
mzzXiXaQ: I hoped it'd have clues on what got ACL_MANAGE set02:04
HardDiskmzz: http://pastebin.ca/162311902:04
HardDiskI can tell you when this error occurred02:05
HardDiskwhen nm-applet would not start my wifi on the acer aspire one02:05
HardDiskso i installed wicd02:05
mzzHardDisk: hmm, sorry. Not sure what's up with that.02:05
HardDiskthen when i reverted back to network manager thats when it started02:05
mzzXiXaQ: (pastebin it?)02:05
XiXaQmzz, it didn't work for the guy until he rebooted, so I guess adding a file to /etc/udev/rules.d doesn't notify udev. That's a bug too, perhaps?02:05
* mzz can mostly decipher udev rules files, apparently02:05
XiXaQmzz, in other words: it works now.02:06
mzzXiXaQ: I don't know if you're supposed to SIGHUP udevd or something02:06
HardDiskI wonder if its a bug that will be fixed by the end02:06
slackrdang, just started up my recently compiled xbmc, and its stretched over both my screens02:06
mzzXiXaQ: I do suspect you have to replug the scanner after udev picks up the new rules. Did he do thaht?02:06
HardDiskor whether due to the beta stage something fubarred and i will have to reinstall ubuntu when the release is out02:06
mzzthat, even02:06
XiXaQmzz, do you think I should add the contents of udevadm info --query=all --name=/dev/bus/usb/blah to the bug report and the mail to sane-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org?02:07
dfarmheh, looking at Ubuntu bugs I see a bunch of reports about people who can't get the PC speaker to work. Ah, to be so fortunate...02:07
mzzXiXaQ: I don't know! I don't know what he did as far as manually installing drivers goes02:08
MTecknologyI have a desktop kernel installed and apt wants to update my kernel to the server version..02:08
mzzXiXaQ: I did just find out about "udevadm command --reload-rules", but you're right that the README says you shouldn't need it. The manpage for udevadm does confirm new rules don't apply to already-detected devices, so you have to replug or reboot.02:09
MTecknologynevermind... apparently I got switched to the server image at some poitn02:10
XiXaQmzz, he did replug, but that had no effect.02:11
HighBit_dfarm: what action causes the pc speaker to beep?02:11
mzzXiXaQ: weird02:11
mzzXiXaQ: not something I'd really enjoy remotely debugging, let alone remotely debugging by proxy (you) :P02:11
dfarmHighBit_, just generic stuff. Typing backspace at blank terminal, trying to autocomplete something that isn't unique, etc02:11
conky1so where is the new default wallpaper guys02:11
HighBit_dfarm: at the virtual console or in an X session, or both?02:12
dfarmthat just turned the light bulb on.02:12
XiXaQmzz, hehe, no, it's not ideal. But it works, and that's a good sign, right? :)02:12
conky1its not the orange one thats being used now is it02:13
dfarmI checked and it was gnome terminal has a setting for "terminal bell"02:13
mzzXiXaQ: I'd probably just call it a day, hoping that whatever extra driver he installed gets integrated/replaced by libsane in the future02:13
VarthWhen I try to open any of my folders from the Places menu, it tells me "Could not open location 'file:///home/nathan' - No application is registered as handling this file". Anyone know what to do about this?02:13
dfarmunchecked it and that did the job. It was only in gnome-terminal that I was getting it02:13
HighBit_dfarm: ah hm. so not actually the speaker, just sounded like it was!02:13
mzzVarth: are you fully updated? There was a shared-mime-info vs older glib snafu a while back02:13
dfarmHighBit_, Yeah, well what's odd is it was the PC speaker doing it02:13
HighBit_hmm, that is weird then.02:14
dfarmThink I may file a bug against gnome-terminal since I had PC speaker blacklisted and pulseaudio muted -- seems like terminal wasn't honoring something02:14
XiXaQmzz, however, simply adding the rule to /lib/udev/rules.d/40-libsane.rules would mean that others who are installing that driver wouldn't have to add it manually?02:14
mzzdfarm: I forgot if you pastebinned lsmod, but I wouldn't expect gnome-terminal to pay any attention to the module blacklist02:14
mzzdfarm: perhaps the actual problem is that some module is builtin for a bad reason02:15
VarthVarth02:15
mzzXiXaQ: that's correct, but adding a rule to that file before libsane actually supports the device sounds like a weird/confusing thing to do02:15
dfarmI did paste lsmod back there, I'd be curious to have someone who might know more check it before I filed a bug.02:15
Varthmzz: Probably not. I just installed. I'll update now.02:15
dfarme.g., if snd_hda_intel would make the pc speaker available that'd be good to know before I filed a bogus bug02:15
mzzXiXaQ: assuming this isn't too much of a ubuntuism I think a better approach would be having that manually-installed driver install a udev rules file.02:15
dfarmmzz, http://pastebin.com/d701078bf was my lsmod output if you wanna double check me02:16
XiXaQmzz, oh, ok. That sounds right. Then, if it gets included in a later release, there is nothing wrong with having a matching rule in two different files?02:16
mzzdfarm: hmm, looks like the relevant stuff is modular in the -generic kernel, so I don't know what's going on there.02:17
mzzXiXaQ: I don't think that'd hurt in this case, no.02:17
alteregoahow to stop the xserver with ubuntu?02:17
mzzXiXaQ: specifically: all the rules would do is set some properties to "1" on the device node, and the same property getting set to the same value twice is a nonissue02:17
alteregoastopx doesnt work02:18
mzzalteregoa: I don't know about permanently, but for temporarily try "sudo stop gdm"02:18
oorahscreen still flickering grrrrrr02:19
alteregoai try to install andersk drivers02:21
dfarmah it's already there. Bug # 3474502:21
alteregoaanders kaseorg02:21
XiXaQmzz, right. If a driver is available from System > Administration > Hardware drivers, would that mean it wouldn't be listed in /lib/udev/rules.d/40-libsane.rules, but be added as an own entry in /etc/udev/rules.d when installed?02:25
mzzXiXaQ: I'd expect it to install its own rules file, yes.02:29
mzz(it's easier package management wise, and I don't know of any benefit of using a single file for this)02:29
XiXaQmzz, ok. One more thing. When he closes xsane, he gets an error complaining about permissions. In my setup, the correct file in /dev/bus/usb belongs to root:lp. In his setup, the corresponding file belongs to root:root. Should he change permissions to "root:lp"?02:30
mzzXiXaQ: "lp" is almost certainly related to printers. I'd expect there to be an acl giving him full permissions if it works at all. Are you sure xsane is complaining about the device node?02:31
mzzXiXaQ: specifically: if he ever ran xsane through sudo the problem is probably some settings or log file is now root-owned, and a regular xsane run can't write to itc.02:31
mzzit, even.02:31
mzzXiXaQ: I'd start xsane, attach strace, close it, then grep the strace log for PERM02:32
XiXaQmzz, he did run it with sudo at least once, yes.02:32
mzzalternatively: "find ~ -xdev -not -uid $(id -u)"02:32
XiXaQmzz, that command shouldn't display anything at all, right?02:36
mzzXiXaQ: exactly02:38
mzz(it'll print a list of stuff below your homedir that's not owned by you, which should normally be empty)02:38
HighBit_dfarm: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/module-init-tools/+bug/7701002:51
ubottuLaunchpad bug 77010 in hundredpapercuts "Overuse of system beep without volume control" [High,Confirmed]02:51
HighBit_the bottom of that bug shows people saying "the beep is back" -- maybe the latest kernel has some issue02:52
XiXaQmzz, on behalf of "the guy", thanks for fixing the scanner issue. From me, thanks for being a good teacher. :)02:52
dfarmah02:53
dfarmHighBit_, Thanks for looking that one up02:53
dfarmDefinitely getting people's attention02:53
mzzpff, I should be able to do better as far as being a teacher goes02:54
mzzI'll just blame it on me not having a scanner though02:54
HighBit_dfarm: indeed -- the beep can be very annoying :)02:56
h00kI still am not sure why I'm getting these kernel panics and linux-crashdump isn't helping at all.02:59
timbersometimes the nautilus doesn't show the files in a folder....the mouse icon appears refreshing, and never show the files03:03
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timberbut i can see the files using other programs, like vlc for example03:04
rob0h00k: Is it the Ubuntu kernel, or did you compile your own? If the former, I'd suspect hardware, If the latter, maybe you missed something you need?03:04
homoboyOk, so has anyone else seen any glitches with the internet connection on 9.10? I run iwlist scan and all i get is "Interface dowsn't support scanning" with lo, eth0, wmaster0, and wlan003:06
h00krob0: my hardware is okay, it has just recently started, also it is the default kernel03:06
mzzhomoboy: might need to use the "iw" tool these days. Also check dmesg.03:06
bcurtiswxhey all, anyone know what happened with simultaneous output with pulse?03:07
h00krob0: I recently did a mem test, it is okay, I also did hardware diagnostics03:08
h00krob0: and they're okay03:08
h00krob0: so.  I'm out of ideas.03:11
mzzh00k: so what info *do* you have?03:13
h00krob0: it is 2.6.31-14-generic03:13
h00kmzz: ^03:13
h00kmzz: also, nvidia 185 drivers.03:13
mzz(any panic messages logged anywhere?)03:13
h00kdmesg reports nothing, no panic messages, syslog doesn't report anything03:13
mzztried netconsole?03:14
h00kmy laptop simply freezes, if I'm playing audio it repeats the same less than half second of what is playing, and sometimes the capslock and numlock flash, but not always03:14
h00kmzz: netconsole?03:15
mzz(or a serial console, or whatever other option you have to get console output so you can see what's panicing)03:15
mzzh00k: needs a second networked system on the same local network, see /usr/share/doc/linux-doc/networking/netconsole.txt.gz (obviously installing linux-doc first if you don't have it)03:15
mzzafaik it's the next best thing to a serial console03:15
petafileIs there a way to force the liveCD to use a particular graphics driver (EG VESA)?  My GF card apparently doesn't work with the nv driver, so the liveCD won't boot (been a problem since alpha 6, at least)03:17
petafileis that a no?03:19
mzzit's an "I don't know, I haven't even used the regular cd recently because it doesn't support lvm"03:21
homoboyhey03:21
homoboyi ran iwlist scan and wlan0's network is down. how do I fix that?03:22
MacrophageI have successfully phagocytized Ubuntu from my laptop thanks to the immune response.03:22
h00kmzz: I'm looking through that now and trying to figure out how to use it03:23
Macrophage!ops03:23
ubottuHelp! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) -  elky,  imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, Madpilot, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso,  PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow, nickrud, jpds, bazhang, jussi01, Flannel or ikonia!03:23
* mzz giggles03:24
h00kwat03:25
petafilemzz, do you use the alternate CD then?03:28
mzzI guess that was only funny for those who don't ignore part messages03:28
mzzpetafile: yes03:29
petafilemzz, do you know if the alternate CD can do that?03:29
mzzpetafile: and I've frequently had to pass vga=something (vga=ask if in doubt) to make that boot properly03:29
mzzpetafile: the alternate cd doesn't run X03:29
mzzpetafile: I was assuming you meant the X kind of graphics driver :)03:29
petafilemzz, I was.  OK.  I'll try to add that boot opt.  Thanks03:31
mzzpetafile: that probably won't help if you're running X03:31
petafileI'm nuking my partition and starting fresh with karmic, so the alternate CD should be fine03:33
mebaran151so nautilus keeps spawning process on login until I try to logout, after which the signal seems toclear th problem03:35
mebaran151anybody know of this bug?03:35
mzzI think I saw a report03:35
mzzmebaran151: bug 325973 perhaps?03:36
ubottuLaunchpad bug 325973 in nautilus "gnome-session keeps respawning nautilus when no desktop is drawed" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32597303:36
tiger2wanderWhere I can find the icon of Empathy when contact list is hidden?03:37
mzztiger2wander: I don't use empathy, but try clicking the envelope on the panel03:38
webbb82how can i install kubuntu netbook remix ontop of gnome and the normal kde403:40
webbb82and switch between them at login03:40
tiger2wandermzz, I can not find anything decide that Empathy running on the desktop GUI, but still see it in process list03:40
mzztiger2wander: do you actually have that envelope icon I mentioned?03:41
tiger2wandermzz, I can bring it back by re-launch it03:41
mzztiger2wander: indicator-applet, that is?03:41
tiger2wandermzz, not yet03:41
* mzz tends to get a bit frustrated if he gives a suggestion, it is completely ignored, and people start then highlighting his nick03:41
tiger2wandermzz, May be I was remove it before03:41
Martynack03:42
mzztiger2wander: I don't know if the system deals properly if you remove that applet. It's called "indicator applet"03:42
Martynlatest update rendered my sysem unusable on boot.   Something changed with usplash03:42
MartynDell Precision T7500 workstation, nVidia graphics (250)03:43
Martynthis is going to be fun to fix.  not.03:43
tiger2wandermzz, thanks, I have just add it back then can see the message :)03:43
webbb82so no one knows how to install kubuntu netbook remix along with gnome03:44
* mzz groans03:44
mzzwebbb82: how does simply installing the relevant metapackages for both fail?03:44
webbb82i didnt try yet i just didnyt know what files i would need to download03:45
mzzwebbb82: that'd be kubuntu-netbook and kubuntu-desktop, afaik03:45
mzzwebbb82: just download your favorite install medium, then install the metapackage for the other afterwards03:45
mzzwebbb82: I'd expect this to give you a session option for both in kdm03:45
webbb82thank you03:46
billybigriggerMartyn, boot into recovery mode and see if there is anymore updates03:46
Martynnope, no new updates03:46
MartynI'm changing the config and disabling usplash for now03:46
billybigriggerwait for an update?03:46
billybigriggerdo you know what update caused the borkage?03:47
pepeehi03:47
MartynIt's just "pretty", but somehow it's causing all the VT's to scramble and become useless03:47
pepeeI tryed to upgrade to karmic, and my system is broken03:47
Martynusplash03:47
MartynI'll file a launchpad bug shortly03:47
billybigriggerand yes i spelled borkage right :P03:47
MartynWelp, looks like there's already an older bug describing this very situation03:48
MartynI'll just file with that one then03:48
pepeeI'm getting something like this: http://i36.tinypic.com/333bf9c.jpg03:49
pepeeBUT is not exactly as that03:49
pepeehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/44794703:49
ubottuLaunchpad bug 447947 in mountall "mountall: /proc/filesystems: No such file or directory" [Medium,Fix released]03:49
mzzpepee: does it let you shift+pgup to see the first error?03:50
mzzpepee: it reads as if an earlier mount failed and the error messages actually still on the screen are just fallout03:50
pepeeI installed mountall 0.1.8, but nothing happens03:50
pepeemzz: I can see all the messages, but simply doesn't show any errors, until I press ctrl+alt+supr03:51
Aruzai just installed 9.10 on an additional hdd in my computer with the alternate disk and when i reboot it says there is to reboot and insert boot media, any thoughts or suggestions?03:51
mzzAruza: I don't understand the problem description03:52
mzzAruza: it's possible grub didn't get installed, or that your bios isn't booting off the right drive03:53
Aruzamzz: i went through the install and it does not boot up after the reboot03:53
mzzAruza: in which case I'd boot off some bootable media, chroot in, and run update-grub03:53
Aruzamzz: its possible that grub didnt get installed i guess but i just followed the prompts for the install03:53
pepeemzz: but before I was getting this messages: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=809774103:53
mzzpepee: I am confused. So far all I know is it's not booting correctly, you weren't getting some messages in a screenshot, and you were getting some messages before (but I'm assuming not now)03:55
mzzpepee: what's actually happening *now*?03:55
pepee...before I tryed to repair it as it says on the launchpad page03:55
pepeemzz: it stops shortly after grub03:56
mzzpepee: define "stops". What's the last few messages you *do* *currently* get?03:57
webbb82has anyone tried the kubuntu netbook remix?03:57
pepeeit doesn't show any errors, and if I press ctrl+alt+supr it shows something like "mountall post-process stopped" "general error", I get a root shell, and then the system reboots03:58
pepeemzz: I think it's like I've got 203:58
pepee...2 bugs at the same time :(03:59
mzzso get the messages you *do* get, preferably the first problematic ones03:59
pepee"This issue has thankfully been resolved. The steps taken to fix the issue was to boot into a live cd, chroot the original drive, and complete the apt-get dist-upgrade."03:59
ekontsevoyI have an Ubuntu LTS server (has been running forever) which is my print server. Everything worked great for a long time. But after installing Karmic I cannot add a printer in Gnome: I launch "Printing Config" and there is nothing I can do there: it asks for a root login and won't let me do anything.03:59
mzzpepee: if you don't know how to get info out I'd seriously consider waiting a week for the rc and doing a fresh install off that04:00
pepeethat doesn't works, because I have a broken package...04:00
ekontsevoyHowever, when I do "connect to server" and type the name of my CUPS machine, it shows the remote printer in there.04:00
ekontsevoyHow do I add that remote printer to my machine?04:00
mzzpepee: (see also the notes about "NOT RELEASED" and "may break your system" in the topic here)04:00
mzzpepee: if you don't know how to get information out I'd seriously consider reinstalling a previous version and waiting for the release or rc before trying karmic again04:01
pepeemzz: I think I can repair it if I could get a shell with the fs mounted as read-write04:01
pepee(the shell says is a read-only fs)04:01
mzzok, so do that04:01
mzzyou already said you have a shell, so just "mount -o remount,rw /"04:02
pepeemzz: I don't know how...04:02
pepeeok, I will try04:02
pepee:)04:02
mzzperhaps I'm being rude, but if you're as lost as I get the impression you are if the system doesn't boot properly I *strongly* recommend you don't test unreleased ubuntus04:02
pepeemzz: it was a temptation XD04:03
mzz(especially ones where the boot process got a major overhaul, like what happened in karmic with grub 2 + upstart migration)04:03
ekontsevoyWhen I go to "Printer Configuration" in Ubuntu, it asks me for my root username/password. I give it my name/password but it won't take it. WTF?04:03
mzzekontsevoy: if a remote cups user is involved it's probably asking for that system's root account, although I don't know how that's actually handled on ubuntu with its default-disabled root account04:04
oldude67ekontsevoy, have you checked to see if an update has taken you out of all your pw groups?04:04
alankilaekontsevoy: is your user account part of lpadmin group?04:04
ekontsevoySolved: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-921187.html04:04
pepeemzz: yeah I know it's dangerous, but karmic seems good04:05
pepeewell, thanks04:05
pepeeI'll come back if i did it (or not)04:05
pepeebye04:05
Teddy_Who do I have to poke to get my package updated in Karmic?04:20
durtTeddy_, find out the package maintainer from packages.ubuntu.com04:22
mzzTeddy_: your timing is a bit unfortunate though04:22
Teddy_durt: Where does it say who the maintainer is?04:24
durtTeddy_, ya, not gonna happen unless it's a big security fix.04:24
durtuh to the right of the screen? what package?04:24
Teddy_Bah, the package entered Debian testing a friggin' month ago.  I thought that would be enough.04:25
Teddy_durt: It only says "Ubuntu MOTU Developers"...04:25
durtthen it's probably coming in from debian there is no 'Ubuntu' maintainer.04:26
Teddy_durt: That still leaves the question of who I should poke to get the packaged updated from Debian testing...  There *are* a couple of important bug fixes there.04:27
philwyettTeddy_, What is the package?04:27
Teddy_philwyett: mandos04:28
DoctorLesGood evening.  Have people heard of problems with Xserver crashing at login screen with either Nvidia or ATI graphics?04:28
durtthe debian maintainer04:28
mzzTeddy_: I'd expect this to involve a bug, but I don't know how to best mark it as urgent. Might want to ask on #ubuntu-motu, afaik.04:28
Teddy_durt: *I* am the debian maintainer...  I'm not a Debian Developer, so we (the development team) get the packackage sponsored by a DD every time.04:28
bugscrashHelp: Install a ubuntu 9.10 and the hp tx2 touchsmarc (touch) dont work.04:30
Teddy_mzz: Thanks, will do.04:30
durtTeddy_, first, to get it from the horses mouth I'd ask in #ubuntu-devel, but my idea of what happens is that the debian packages are brought in from debian stable every 6 months at the begininng of the dev cycle.04:30
bugscrashHelp: Install a ubuntu 9.10 and the hp tx2 touchsmarc (touch) dont work.  (win7 and win-vista) work fine.04:31
Teddy_durt: Well...  The very previous version of the package *was* updated from Debian testing without any prompting from me.04:32
Teddy_durt: ...and that was *not* six months ago.04:32
oorahi don't know much about Linux, so I feel like i'm contributing by reporting bugs i find in betas04:34
durtTeddy_, beyond my ken then, ask in either #ubuntu-devel or even better for universe (debian packages) #ubuntu-motu04:34
Teddy_durt: Thanks, I am asking in #ubuntu-motu right now, but it seems very dead in there...04:35
jimpopoorah, you are absolutely one of the best people to be reporting bugs.  User Experience feedback is hard to gain.04:35
oorahis user feedback really that hard to gain? one would think everyone wants the best product possible04:35
jimpopoorah, yes. the problem is experienced linux users don't do the same things that new linux users might.04:37
jimpopand understanding new users is the hardest thing to achieve04:37
oorahjimpop, i'm not new, just that i don't know how to modify and fix stuff. i just pretty much use it04:38
jimpopgotcha04:38
oorahbut google is a wonderful tool04:38
bisbycool04:39
bisbyin 9.10 i have internal audio and SB xfi. internal audio profile set to off, sb xfi set to stereo out, mono in.  The XFi microphone doesnt work at all. Any suggestions?04:39
VarthWhenever I try to open a folder from my Places menu, it gives me an error, saying, that there is no application associated with the folder. Does anyone know what's going on?04:55
MJEvansI'm having problems with the 9.10-beta x86 installer; ubiquity seems normal accepts my manual partitions of /dev/sda3 (1536mb) as swap and 80+gb sda4 as / (ext4), I tell it I want to Migrate Documents and Settings from the windows accounts it finds (dad, mom, sis), and then on step 7 it flashes up something too briefly for me to see and appears to crash.  How can I find more information about what went wrong?05:03
bisbyHave you tried it without migrating documents and settings?05:05
MJEvansbisby: no; will I get the option to do that later?  I was previously trying Linux Mint; but after install there was no migration option and it -looked- like ubuntu might do that.05:06
MJEvansNot in 9.04 (already on my laptop) but -maybe- in 9.1005:06
bisbyMJEvans: i dont know if there is an option to migrate later off the top of my head, just was curious if it was possible to isolate the crash to migrating05:07
MJEvansI will try; if it fails to migrate the settings there's no point, they won't want to switch.05:07
MJEvansI didn't check the cd-image for defects...05:08
MJEvansI'm now also running md5sum -c on the md5sum.txt file05:08
MJEvansI seriously loath the lag time every time I make a -small- change in the partitioning step.05:11
bisbyi noticed that too. Im not having much fun with my soundcard either.05:11
MJEvansoh, you want to mount the /windows partition?  Let me rescan everything even though the actual partition layout didn't change at all.05:12
assoguerozen_sxsomeone here knows how to install Moffice 2007?05:12
jimpopin a world of single user PCs/laptops, why should consolekit be mandatory software?05:12
dashanybody know stuff about flash not responding to mouseclicks? i used to think it was a compiz issue but it seems broken under metacity now too05:13
mzzcan't say I've noticed it05:13
MJEvansassoguerozen_sx: try setting up wine (please verify wine's app-db includes MS Office 2007 and has good or better support).  I don't see why wine setup would be any different under 9.10 then 9.04 though; you might ask in normal #ubuntu05:13
mzzdash: page it fails on?05:13
dashHmm05:14
dashok i guess this is a distinct issue from before, it's working for youtube05:14
assoguerozen_sxMJEvans yeah ok, the point is... even with wine, thats a hard task to do05:14
dashbut failing for pandora.com05:14
mzz"We are deeply, deeply sorry to say that due to licensing constraints, we can no longer allow access to Pandora for listeners located outside of the U.S."05:15
MJEvansbisby: all the md5sum -c md5sum.txt passed;  I tried installing it w/o importing any documents/settings, error is reproduced exactly.  It popped up a small window, as if it were about to display a console, then crashed and vanished.05:15
mzzthat is: you need a different guinea pig05:15
dashYeah05:15
dashah well.05:16
dashthe bizarre thing is I can click on stuff for the first like give seconds05:17
bisbyMJEvans: Hmmm. well obviously not a migration issue, not a disk issue. Potentially incompatible hardware?05:17
dashthen it stops responding05:17
jimpopmzz, Pandora is nicer than trying to watch YouTube in Istanbul.05:17
MJEvansbisby: I'm not sure what could crash... It's just an old AMD k7 box05:18
MJEvansbisby: I manually added sda4, trying it now05:18
jimpopdoes anyone know if irgbalance is still necessary with SMP kernels?  or does the kernel now handle this internally?05:19
mzzjimpop: last time I read about this the kernel should be doing something reasonable internally, I *think*05:20
jimpoper.  s/irg/irq/05:20
mzzjimpop: this is from pretty fuzzy memory though.05:20
jimpopmzz, ok05:20
jimpopi've notice that irqbalance isn't an Ubuntu favorite package05:20
MJEvansbisby: ok it hates that... (I'm trying to get it to do the right thing w/o manual mode)05:22
Amaranthjimpop: most users don't use evolution, let's toss it too05:23
bisbyMJEvans, dont know what to tell ya, i havent had any hiccups installing linux since gentoo (when i used sdb1 instead of sda1 and wiped my entire drive) so i havent had to tweak with install stuff too much05:23
Amaranthheck, who uses openoffice.org?05:24
MJEvans[ 2325.681116] end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 005:24
MJEvansI think I might need to disable the floppy drive in the bios...05:24
leaf-sheepAmaranth: Err what? I just joined in. No evolution and openoffice? :\05:24
MJEvansStupid CD05:24
jimpopAmaranth, I agree05:24
bisbyMJEvans does the thing even have a floppy drive?05:24
jimpopAmaranth, the fact that a base Ubuntu desktop depends on evolution-data-server-common is mind boggling05:25
Amaranthjimpop: The problem is, we're aiming for a useful general purpose OS, not a "perfectly customized for jimpop" OS05:25
dashjimpop: why does that boggle?05:25
Amaranthevolution-data-server is actually used for more than evolution05:25
Amaranthit's a general purpose contact, calendar, etc storage system05:25
dashit's used by the calendar/todo list you get when you click on the clock in the gnome panel05:26
* Amaranth pokes at launchpad05:26
AmaranthIdeally it'd be used by empathy too05:26
AmaranthDunno if it is or not05:26
mzzjimpop: I can't find any info actually backing up my claims offhand, so I might've been wrong05:26
jimpopmzz: ok05:27
jimpopAmaranth, at some point too much is, well, perceived as too much (bloat)05:27
jimpopi've notice that "ps -ef | wc -l" gets higher and higher with each Ubuntu release05:28
MJEvansbisby: it does, BUT it's not connected anymore.05:28
jimpopdf -k too05:28
Amaranthjimpop: One man's bloat is another man's essential feature05:28
dashjimpop: you want software that does less? :)05:28
jimpopdash, so do other netbook owners05:28
Amaranthjimpop: Most people only use 20% of the features of any application. The problem is it's a different 20% for each user05:29
Amaranthjimpop: netbook users shouldn't be running regular ubuntu ;)05:29
dashyeah that's why there's netbook remix05:29
dashfailing that, you can always just do a server install05:29
dash(which is what I usually do)05:29
jimpopAmaranth, that's what packages are for.  Shoehorning it into one big install inter-dependent on each other, is not the optimal way05:29
dashjimpop: What05:29
jimpopdash: what what?05:30
Amaranthjimpop: so you complain about the number of processes but then you just told me we need to split things into even more processes05:30
dashjimpop: ubuntu is made of packages05:30
jimpopAmaranth, no05:30
Amaranthjimpop: perhaps you want gentoo instead, sounds like you want USE flags05:30
jimpopAmaranth, more packages05:30
jimpopperhaps05:30
dashjimpop: so I don't understand what you're complaining about?05:30
dashhaha, gentoo.05:30
jimpopdash: bloat05:30
Amaranthdash: _everything_05:30
dashjimpop: I hear that word all the time but I still don't know what it means05:31
AmaranthThis is becoming a daily ritual05:31
jimpopeverything above reasonalbe05:31
pepeemzz, success!!05:31
AmaranthIt seems rather obvious to me that you don't actually want to use Ubuntu05:31
pepee:D I'm so happy05:31
dashmmkay05:31
AmaranthBut you use it and complain about it instead05:31
pepeethanks man05:31
jimpopAmaranth, i want to use what Ubuntu once stood for05:31
mzzyay05:31
dashjimpop: i bet you can still get a warty CD :)05:31
pepeeI'm now writing from ubuntu karmic05:31
dashpepee: hooray.05:31
Amaranthjimpop: As far as I'm aware we've always had the same goal05:31
pepeekde 4.3.205:31
jimpopAmaranth, it's changed05:32
Amaranthjimpop: Not that I can see05:32
pepeethank you very much!!05:32
mzzdash: hey, this gentoo install still hasn't blown up completely, even though I keep throwing in silly experimental stuff05:32
Amaranthjimpop: My goal for it certainly hasn't05:32
jimpopit's now more about being more like Windows05:32
dashjimpop: did you ever read bug #105:32
ubottuhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 (Timeout)05:32
Amarantherr, no05:32
mzzjimpop: if you don't want a fullblown desktop just don't install the ubuntu-desktop meta05:32
jimpopoh yes05:32
Amaranthjimpop: #ubuntu-offtopic is where we can discuss this further05:33
jimpopi don't have u-d installed05:33
mzzjimpop: (and consider using a different installer so you don't get that meta out of the box if it bugs you that much)05:33
jimpophah05:33
mzzalso, notice that most of the extra stuff a fullblown ubuntu-desktop install runs doesn't actually consume resources other than ram and startup time05:34
AmaranthI think the core problem is you misunderstood the goal though05:34
jimpopmzz, it's not so much the out-of-the-box for some one like me who can dpkg --purge... it's the intertwined dependencies and the incessant desire by developers to intertwine pkgs I don't care to use.05:34
mzzjimpop: shrug, then I agree with others that making *all* those deps optional just isn't worth it05:35
jimpopperhaps05:35
MJEvansbisby: that wasn't the solution either... trying to get the latest packages05:35
AmaranthRight, we're not going to make a 'xorg-noconsolekit' package or whatever05:35
Jordan_Ujimpop: Setting apt so that it doesn't install reccomended dependencies automatically may help05:35
AmaranthIf you want such granularity you want gentoo05:36
jimpopJordan_U, that's not the issue here05:36
jimpopi can probably count 50 pkgs that i would like to remove (for various reasons) but can't because core components depend on them05:37
Amaranthjimpop: Name one instead05:37
jimpopevolution-data-server-common05:37
jimpopfinger05:37
jimpopradeon pkgs (i have a different vid card)05:38
jimpopdo i need to go on?05:38
Amaranthgnome-panel needs eds-common for the clock calendar05:38
Amaranththis is the same on every distro05:38
Amaranthand has been the case since warty05:38
jimpopand it's wrong05:38
Amaranthand tell upstream05:38
jimpopthey are aware ;-)05:38
Amaranthlet them laugh at you05:38
jimpopthey laugh at you too05:39
Amaranthfinger is used for acpi-support05:39
jimpopi don't enable acpi05:39
Amaranthyou don't have a laptop05:39
Amaranthjimpop: Actually I am upstream :P05:39
jimpopi do05:39
Amaranthand you can remove the radeon driver package05:40
Jordan_Ujimpop: I just removed xserver-xorg-video-ati without issue, did you mean something else?05:40
jimpopnot all of them05:40
jimpoplibdrm-radeon105:40
Amaranthok that one is actually a bug05:41
Amaranthfile it please05:41
MJEvansubuquity installer crashed again;  Is there any way I can collect some actual data on -why- it crashed?05:41
jimpopit's not so much all the individual pkgs... it's the whole attitude that none of them are worth cleaning up or straightening out05:41
Amaranthjimpop: you're going to _hate_ GNOME 305:41
Amaranthjimpop: You can't remove any of the components of it05:41
jimpopright05:41
jimpopperhaps windows 8 will be more modular.....05:42
AmaranthWhat do you expect Ubuntu to do about GNOME? We just package stuff05:42
* DanaG will never give up Compiz. Never. You can pry it from my cold, dead fingers, so to speak.05:42
jimpopAmaranth, Ubuntu needs to get beyond packaging, IMHO05:43
MJEvansjimpop: to what?05:43
Amaranthjimpop: Sure, just pay me for full time development and I'll get right on that :)05:43
Jordan_Ujimpop: And with what resources?05:43
jimpopMJEvans, to developing a solid solution that isn't buit on top of someone else's issues05:44
jimpopAmaranth, ;-) i wish i could05:44
Amaranths/someone else's/Fedora's/05:44
MJEvansjimpop: what does that mean?05:44
jimpopJordan_U, that's the issue.05:44
jimpopAmaranth, s/someone else's/Debian/05:45
jimpopMJEvans, these dependency issues, they are mostly upstream errors/designs05:45
Amaranthjimpop: actually most of the major new stuff in GNOME is coming from Fedora/Red Hat people05:45
jimpopsimilar then05:45
jimpophere's another... i don't have bluetooth or wifi on some server hardware.... guess what U Server installs....05:46
mzzso uninstall the stuff that bugs you05:46
Amaranthjimpop: stuff that like is using disk space, no more05:47
* Amaranth wonders why his fan won't slow down05:48
Jordan_Ujimpop: Use the minimal install CD if you don't want a general solution, unless you are talking about modules in the kernel package, ( in which case I still don't see it as a problem )05:48
Amaranthnothing is chewing CPU...05:48
jimpoplook, I sound like I'm gripping, but I not.  I think Karmic is coming together fine.   But, in order for me (and others) to use it there have been some hoops to jump through, and those are hoops that new Ubuntu users just aren't going to put up with05:48
alteregoahell oh05:48
alteregoadoes the 190 driver support cuda?05:48
Amaranthjimpop: You mean in order to use it without having things installed that don't matter05:48
jimpopAmaranth, from a sec audit standpoint, yet05:49
mzzerr05:49
MJEvansjimpop: Like the INSTALLER BREAKING?05:49
jimpops/yet/yes/05:49
mzzjimpop: it's installing extra stuff to have fewer hoops to jump through (in case you add hardware later), I'm pretty sure05:49
jimpopno, like the installer installing unnecessary components05:49
mzzinsert comment about having cake and eating it too here05:49
Jordan_Ujimpop: Use the minimal install05:49
MJEvansjimpop: un-necessary but working is OK05:49
jimpopMJEvans, that too ;-)05:49
MJEvansjimpop: what's the fix for that BTW?05:49
jimpopMJEvans, bluetooth on server installs?05:50
Amaranthjimpop: You're deploying Ubuntu somewhere where you have to audit everything? You should be building your own Ubuntu spin and/or have a support contract with Canonical so they improve things for you05:50
Jordan_Ujimpop: Anything else is not meant for people who want a minimal installation, use the options provided to you05:50
MJEvansjimpop: The installer breaking.  I cannot seem to get 9.10 Beta x86 to install from the CD05:50
jimpopMJEvans, works for me.  What is the breaking point?05:51
AmaranthMJEvans: try the latest nightly disc and/or file a bug05:51
MJEvansStep 6/705:51
mzzMJEvans: does it still let you launch apps and/or ctrl+alt+f1 out of the installer at the point where it breaks?05:51
MJEvansmzz: I can run the installer from the live shell05:51
mzzMJEvans: it should be writing a log somewhere, although I don't recall offhand where05:51
mzzalso, see the notes in the topic about "may break your system" etc05:51
AmaranthIf you're in this channel you're expected to file bugs for things like this then _maybe_ figure out a workaround (although it's preferred that you don't so you can test the fix too)05:52
MJEvansAmaranth: I have no idea what log files are involved.05:52
mzzjimpop: it really sounds like you and ubuntu have very conflicting goals05:52
AmaranthMJEvans: That's what `ubuntu-bug ubiquity` is for05:52
mzzjimpop: I wouldn't expect the average ubuntu user to audit everything he runs, I'd expect him/her to rely on canonical doing that05:52
MJEvansIf it actuall spat out an error then I -could- file bugs and start to track down what it did... huh Amaranth ? ubuntu-bug?05:52
jimpopmzz that's not the way corp America works05:53
AmaranthMJEvans: it's a command that automatically attaches commonly requested information to bug reports05:53
mzzand perhaps I'm just being whiny/elitist, but I'd expect people testing ubuntu+1 to at least *try* and locate the logs for a failing installer05:53
alteregoavdpau uses less cpu05:53
MJEvansrdp enabled on that system...05:55
VarthI'm having some problems with the beta, which I've typed out here: http://pastebin.com/d7e3a833c05:58
VarthCan anyone help me out?05:58
mzzVarth: ~/.xsession-errors?05:59
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VarthWhen I log in, 9.10B fails to load a window manager (either compiz or metacity) and nautilus. Does anyone know why it would be doing this?06:09
mzzVarth: can you pastebin ~/.xsession-errors?06:11
mzzalthough tbh I'm not even 100% sure what actually starts the wm. Might be gnome-settings-daemon.06:12
Varthmzz: http://pastebin.com/d5ad9694a06:13
MJEvansBottom line, should I be able to install to hard disk off of an Ubuntu 9.10 Beta x86 CD (literal release)?06:14
mzzVarth: that reads as if compiz is actually starting, but doesn't work afterwards06:15
mzzVarth: have you checked (using "ps" or the like) that neither compiz nor metacity is actually running?06:15
mzzMJEvans: probably06:15
VarthNo. It appears as though neither of them are running.06:15
mzzMJEvans: I've successfully done so off the alternate cd06:15
mzzVarth: define "appears"06:16
mzzVarth: if "appears" mean "I don't get any title bars" it's not the right value of "appears" :P06:16
MJEvansmzz: I'm using the normal one.06:16
Varthmzz: That's what I'm seeing. So maybe it's still running, even though it's not showing up correctly?06:16
mzzMJEvans: I didn't use that one, because it doesn't support lvm. See earlier question about logs06:17
mzzVarth: that'd be my guess. So can you get to a terminal (or ctrl+alt+f1 out) and run "ps -feH|grep compiz"?06:17
Varthmzz: To check that, I'm going to have to log out and then back in, as I started compiz manually for this session. I'll be right back.06:18
Varthmzz: This is what the command that you gave me returns: nathan    6544  6415  0 00:20 tty2     00:00:00       grep compiz06:22
Varthmzz: So compiz isn't running, if I'm reading that right.06:23
mzzVarth: ok, so really not running. Can you pastebin ~/.xsession-errors again *before* manually starting compiz?06:23
Varthmzz: Yeah.06:23
Varthmzz: http://pastebin.com/d1f287b8306:29
Varthmzz: Also, thank you for the help.06:29
mzzok, no compiz in that, so it's really not starting06:30
mzzsec06:30
bisbyanyone happen to know a thing or two about Creative X-Fi sound cards? or know of a channel where people do?06:30
mzzVarth: hmm, looks like gnome-session really should be starting it06:31
mzztrying to find what tells it to06:31
GuyFromHellIs anyone else getting major dependency failure on firefox at the moment?06:32
alteregoa!ubuttu islam06:33
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about ubuttu islam06:33
GuyFromHellhttp://gist.github.com/21159306:33
mzzVarth: does running gnome-wm successfully launch some wm (either metacity or compiz)?06:35
VarthRunning gnome-wm gives me compiz.06:36
mzzGuyFromHell: installing libmozjs-dev would toast most other mozilla stuff, yes.06:37
mzzVarth: bah. Let me dig further...06:37
mzzVarth: I guess I'd try from a guest session or temporary user account to see if this is a system-wide issue or a local config one06:37
mzzs/local/user/06:38
Varthmzz: Gotcha06:38
mzzVarth: I can't find any obvious gui ways to turn gnome-session starting a wm off, but there are probably a few non-gui ones06:38
MJEvanshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/45279606:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 452796 in ubiquity "Ubiquity fails after the summary, dies while trying to show the partition editor" [Undecided,New]06:40
MJEvansIs there a 'daily' rebuild cd?06:41
mzzGuyFromHell: specifically xulrunner-1.9.1 and libmozjs-dev conflict06:41
mzzMJEvans: the beta cd isn't generally completely broken, I'm pretty sure. Have you made any progress figuring out what actually breaks?06:42
MJEvansmzz: It matches a bug that was already closed.  Knowing how much they -love- to re-open bugs...06:42
mzzMJEvans: ah, ok06:42
mzzsorry, don't know where to find a newer cd06:43
MJEvansmzz: also, I did update just ubiquity to 2.0.0; but it might be a dependency issue; hence wanting the very latest cd.06:43
Varthmzz: It works just fine under a new account.06:44
mzzVarth: hmm, ok. Got anything suspicious in ~/.config/autostart?06:45
mzztbh I'm not sure how you managed this, and I'm no good at debugging gnome-session06:45
Varthmzz: Nothing suspicious there.06:47
Varthmzz: Thanks for the help. I think I'll just migrate my stuff over to the new account.06:47
MJEvanshttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ has Alternate install disks... but what of the -normal- install disk?06:47
Varthmzz: As I have NO CLUE what is going on.06:47
mzzVarth: might make sense, although I'd consider throwing a few likely greps over your current dir, like fgrep -r gnome-wm ~/.g*06:48
mzz(and the same one over ~/.local)06:48
Varthmzz; Thanks.06:48
mzzerr, make that ~/.gn* ~/.gconf*06:49
* mzz glares at ~/.gvfs06:49
mzzbah, missed him.06:50
pepeehi, I think the qemu package have a (really strange...) problem of broken(?) dependencies06:52
mzzclarify?06:53
pepeeaptitude install qemu will install wemu-kvm06:53
pepee*qemu-kvm06:53
pepeebut if I install it, and execute aptitude once again, it says it's broken...06:54
mzzdefine "it says it's broken"06:54
pepeeand try to remove it06:54
mzzplease pastebin relevant output06:55
pepeeok, wait, is in spanish06:55
alankilaI can actually confirm this. qemu depends on qemu-kvm but they probably conflict with each other06:55
spiralizquemu has broken dependencies according to apt-get06:56
alankilayep, qemu-kvm conflicts with qemu, and qemu depends on qemu-kvm.06:56
mzzah hey, you're right06:57
pepeebut there is a "qemu" package?06:57
mzzpepee: just don't install qemu, install qemu-kvm06:57
alankilasure there is, but it's just not installable.06:57
mzzqemu is a transitional package that broke06:57
mzzthere are/w 4506:58
mzzerr06:58
pepeehmm ok, that's obvious, but I didn't think that...06:58
alankilawhat about people whose cpu can't do virtualization?06:58
spiralizpepee, mybe you want the qemulator package ?06:58
pepeesorry06:59
pepeeI want this: qemu-system-x86_6406:59
alankilapepee: qemu-kvm provides that, and if you have a cpu better than early 64-bit amd cpus it'll virtualize with hardware06:59
alankila(you may have to go to BIOS to enable the virtualization mode, there are BIOSes that disable this because of the fear that rootkits and viruses could use virtualization to hide themselves.)07:00
pepeealankila, yes, I know, that's what I was searching for07:00
pepeeI have qemu from mmm hardy?07:01
mzzpepee: apt-file search confirms that's in qemu-kvm07:01
alankilaI wonder if 64-bit vista would be finally installable in kvm... never worked before, but they've made slow progress getting even the 64-bit guest virtualization to work more transparently07:03
spiralizhm, when disabling the built-in wireless on my laptop, it completely disables ALL wireless networking. is this a bug, or a new feature ?07:03
mzzspiraliz: feature07:03
spiralizthat sucks07:03
mzzspiraliz: for more fine-grained disconnecting use the network-manager applet07:03
spiralizsure, but i need to do that after each reboot07:04
mzzspiraliz: also: if you consistently don't want to use one wireless card I'd consider just blacklisting its driver module07:05
spiralizyea, probably my only option07:05
spiralizstill. it's a bad feature07:06
mzzI just don't know many use cases for having more than one network card, other than having old builtin wireless and newer non-builtin wireless07:07
spiralizthe built-in gives me bad connection when fare away from the accesspoint07:09
spiralizwell, in karmic both of them sucks07:09
pepeethe best way for me to get working the wireless net is to configure it by hand...07:12
spiralizany good reason karmic gives poor signals ?. in jaunty it was fine07:13
pepeemaybe because of the driver? I have no idea...07:14
pepeewhat card is it?07:14
pepeeI have one script for it, and it just work07:15
pepeespiraliz, try: iwlist <interface> scan | less07:16
pepeethe signal indicator is "Signal level", the more the better07:17
spiralizit's some belkin usb thingie07:17
spiralizit's  at 40%07:17
arrrghhhhey all, i'm having issues with an ralink-based wifi card.  neither the rt2800usb (default) or rt2870sta (suggested) drivers work...07:18
arrrghhhplus, i can't compile ralink's drivers, i get error 2 on the make...07:19
pepeearrrghhh, pastebin07:19
pepeearrrghhh, but I think it's not necessary to compile them07:19
pepeespiraliz, lsmod | grep rt2x0007:21
arrrghhhpepee, what would you like me to pastebin?  the error compiling the drivers?  at this point i don't really care how i get them working, so long as i do.07:21
spiralizpepee, don't output anything07:22
arrrghhhi'm not using the rt2800usb driver.  that one recognized the card, but no networks showed.  the rt2870sta driver works as well, and some networks show but i can't connect to my own.07:22
pepeearrrghhh, I think that's not related to the driver itself07:23
arrrghhhi'm not sure what you mean by that.07:24
pepeespiraliz, lsusb | grep -E "etwork|irel"07:25
pepeearrrghhh, I think that you have to configure them07:26
pepeearrrghhh, do you know how to use iwconfig, iwlist, ifconfig?07:26
arrrghhhpeepsalot, yes07:27
spiralizBus 002 Device 006: ID 050d:705c Belkin Components F5D7050 v4000 Wireless Adapter07:29
pepeearrrghhh, hmm is not the same as my wifi card (rt73 usb)07:29
spiralizseems it uses the zd1211b driver07:30
arrrghhhpepee, i've tried everything i can find.  nothing works.  i haven't tried ndiswrapper, and i haven't been able to compile their driver by hand.07:30
pepeearrrghhh, and is not supported by rt2x0007:31
pepeeyes, they are: http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=512107:32
bullgardI am using Karmic Beta and still grub 0.97-29ubuntu58. The upcoming upgrade to Karmic final release will probably ask me if I would like to keep my old grub or if I would accept the maintainer's version. Will the maintainer's version install Grub 2 without any harm on my computer?07:33
pepeearrrghhh, try using the driver from serialmonkey07:35
Frickelpitbullgard: No, you have to install Grub2 after Upgrade from Jaunty to Karmic afaik.07:35
arrrghhhpepee, how do i installl their driver?07:36
bullgardFrickelpit: Right. --  Thank you.07:38
arrrghhhexcuse my ignorance.  i don't understand how to install any drivers from that thread you sent me.07:38
pepeedownload it from rt2x00.serialmonkey.com, compile it and then install it07:39
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arrrghhhhrm07:40
arrrghhhi'll keep poking...07:40
pepeearrrghhh, http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php?title=Rt2x00_GIT_instructions07:40
arrrghhhah thank you!07:41
oldude67well im glad im not like the rest of the people and running karmic in a virtualbox, xp still boots no problem.:D07:43
pepeearrrghhh, what kernel version do you have installed?07:44
lodder_grub2 not automatic updated after installing new kernel, did I forget to install something?07:47
arrrghhhlooks like 2.6.31-14-generic07:47
mzzlodder_: that normally does happen automagically via a trigger07:47
pepeelodder_, aptitude install grub207:47
mzzerr, no, grub-pc iirc07:47
mzzlodder_: does a manual update-grub fix it?07:47
pepeemzz, installed that way for me07:48
mzzpepee: apt-cache show grub2: "This is a dummy transitional package..."07:48
lodder_what do I need to do now?07:49
pepeearrrghhh, do you have the packages "linux-headers" and "linux-source" ?07:49
arrrghhhpepee, isn't that the "default" karmic kernel?07:49
arrrghhhpepee, i have linux-headers-`uname -r` and linux-source i believe07:49
lodder_udate-grub fixed it07:49
lodder_thx07:49
lodder_going to reboot now07:50
arrrghhhwell linux-source wouldn't install, so it s/b installed.07:50
mzzyou shouldn't need linux-source normally07:50
mzzyou should only need linux-headers if you need extra modules compiled, although iirc that one is pulled in by default07:50
mzzlinux-source is pretty huge and unnecessary07:51
oldude67Linux ugh 2.6.31-14-generic #47-Ubuntu SMP Thu Oct 15 02:08:08 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux07:51
oldude67 , i believe is the newest kernel that we are running.07:51
arrrghhhmzz, i don't get why sudo make is failing on this build then.07:51
mzzerr, "sudo make"?07:52
* mzz reads backlog07:52
arrrghhhmzz, i'm trying to build ralink drivers.07:52
mzzarrrghhh: don't sudo your make, and consider using backports-modules instead of compiling by hand07:52
pepeearrrghhh, make  and then  sudo make install07:52
pepee./configure if needed, and read the README/INSTALL if any07:53
arrrghhhmzz, someone suggested that backports-modules before... how do i install that?  every meta-package seemed to fail.07:53
arrrghhhi still get error 2 on make07:53
pepeepaste them07:53
mzzarrrghhh: apt-get install linux-backports-modules-karmic, I think07:53
pepeeor google them...07:53
cdm10it seems the synaptic backend for update-manager is now the default... does anyone know why that decision was made?07:55
Firewinggreetings! does anyone have a clue how to disable the annoing little sound when gdm is ready? before karmic one could use gdm-setup to disable it, but now gdm-setup was castrated and i find no sufficient replacement for it.07:56
mzzFirewing: bug 437429 which I've been meaning to fix but haven't gotten around to yet07:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 437429 in ubuntu-sounds "Cannot prevent login sound" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43742907:57
Firewingthank you07:57
mzzFirewing: assuming the gconftool commands there actually work it shouldn't be *that* hard to add ui for it (famous last words...)07:57
pepeeI can't find linux-headers for my kernel07:57
Firewingmzz, in my experience UI is _always_ hard ;)07:58
arrrghhhmzz, well i actually was able to install those backports finally... i swear i tried that package haha!  so do i reboot?  how do i try these "new" drivers?07:58
mzzarrrghhh: probably reboot, yes.07:59
mzzarrrghhh: been a while since I used them myself though.07:59
pepeeforget what I said...07:59
arrrghhhmzz, ok thanks.07:59
Firewingmzz: btw u set gconf values with gconftool, am i right? so should i be able to access that configuration through the gconf-editor?08:02
pepeebye, and thanks for helping me08:02
mzzFirewing: only if it's possible to run gconf-editor as the gdm user08:02
mzzFirewing: I haven't looked into how the actual gdm config ui handles writing there (assuming it does)08:03
MJEvansmzz: Somehow, I'm guessing that using the alternate installer and thus not ubiquity will allow me to proceed.08:06
Firewingmzz: after looking around in gconf i fear thats not configured through there (which is indeed bad). There is only a simple_greeter config tree, no graphical_greeter tree. for now i used the workaround mentioned in the bug report.08:10
spiralizanyone else have a 'not-working' xconsole ?08:10
Firewingspiraliz, u mean with the message: "Couldn'T open console", or how 'not-working'?08:13
spiralizit starts. but it's not displaying anything08:13
Boohbahlusty llama!08:15
macoBoohbah: its lucid lynx08:15
Firewingbut lusty llama sounds cute :308:15
spiralizFirewing, it's completely dead. no responce at all when inserting usb drives or anything08:15
Firewingspiraliz, never tested it before, but yes mine is not working either08:16
topyliwhat's an x console?08:19
Firewingmonitores the sys-log in a x-window08:20
Firewingwell more accuratly it monitres /dev/console08:21
topyliohh yes08:21
topyliwell if makes you feel better, mine doesn't work either :)08:22
Boohbahwill lynx be the default browser in lynx?08:35
topyliyeah, with lucida fonts08:36
arrrghhhhow do i edit grub?  there's no menu.lst now...08:38
mzzarrrghhh: depends on your value of "edit grub", but look at /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d/*08:42
arrrghhhok.08:42
arrrghhhi switched my kernel around, i don't see anything even close to the menu.lst of old grub.08:42
Martynwell, yeah08:43
Martynit's not part of the kernel install08:43
Martynit's part of the GRUB install08:43
Martyn!grub208:43
ubottuGRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager in Karmic. For more information on GRUB2 please refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub208:43
arrrghhhhow do i change what kernel linux boots?08:43
mzzarrrghhh: the closest equivalent to menu.lst is /boot/grub/grub.cfg, but that's a completely generated file08:43
mzzarrrghhh: /etc/grub/* is what generates it, and some of those scripts are influenced by /etc/default/grub08:44
Martynyou edit one of two files -- /etc/default/grub, or /boot/grub/grub.cfg.     The former is the way you are -supposed- to edit it08:44
mzzerr, /etc/grub.d/*, not /etc/grub/*08:44
arrrghhhok...08:44
Martynin an emergency though, you can edit grub.cfg directly .. and so it goes08:44
mzzarrrghhh: number of the default boot entry is in /etc/default/grub, for example08:44
arrrghhhi just don't see entries for kernels...08:44
arrrghhhi'll look thru that file again.08:44
mzzarrrghhh: entries for kernels are generated. You won't see them in anything but /boot/grub/grub.conf (the scripts in /etc/grub.d/ do the generating)08:45
mzzerr, /boot/grub/grub.cfg, aargh08:45
arrrghhhlol08:45
arrrghhhok08:45
mzzI tabcomplete too much, and the system this irc client runs on doesn't have grub 208:45
mzzso I keep accidentally tab-completing grub 1 paths08:45
arrrghhhhow 'bout this... can i just disable the hidden menu so i get a choice?08:46
arrrghhhnvm08:47
mzzarrrghhh: hold shift08:47
arrrghhhi think i have that handled08:47
mzzand iirc /etc/default/grub has a place to disable it permanently08:48
arrrghhhoh.... okie.  i was going to change the settings in /etc/default/grub.08:48
arrrghhhright.08:48
arrrghhhi think i have that at least...08:48
MJEvansAfter using the Alternate Install cd to install 9.10 I'm looking for how to import the old windows-profiles in to linux accounts and settings.  Where can I find the too to Migrate Documents and Settings? ( I -think- it might be the migration-assistant package, but the only entries I see complain that it's a debian-installer package (.udeb) )08:49
LSD|NinjaIs networking browsing supposed to be broken right now?08:50
tiger2wanderAnyone know the way to change wifi network card name to wlan0 instead of eth1 except changing the /etc/iftab ?08:52
MJEvanstiger2wander: udev -may- allow you to do that.  I know it can map ethX to a given eth# device by mac address... I suspect chaning the rule to specify wlan0 instead would also work.09:32
tiger2wanderMJEvans, yep, I've just found it after continuous asking google about that :P. anyway, thanks!09:33
LSD|NinjaOK, trying to simply list the shares on teh samba server from the karmic install results in "NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME", wtf? It's worked before.09:36
tiger2wanderLSD|Ninja, may it simply a bug :)09:38
LSD|Ninjahttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 <- lol09:40
ubottuError: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1/+text)09:41
stanleyWill it be okay to upgrade from 9.04 or will a fresh install be recommended?09:46
mzzstanley: see the big fat warning in the topic09:47
mzzstanley: upgrading is supposed to work, but if this is a jaunty install you actually care about upgrading at this point may not really be wise just yet09:48
stanleymzz: I'll be waiting till it's finally released anyways.09:48
mzzstanley: afaik upgrading is supposed to work, although I wouldn't be surprised if some people would recommend a fresh install anyway09:48
mzzI don't have enough firsthand experience with upgrades to give a good opinion on this one09:49
stanleymzz: Fair enough. I'm not hugely concerned. I'm just reinstalling right now anyways, would be a bit of a PITA to do it again in 2 weeks09:49
mzzahh09:50
mzzif you're doing a fresh install now I'd consider just grabbing karmic09:50
mzz(if the alternative you're considering is a fresh install of jaunty and then immediately upgrading)09:51
stanleyYea... I might hold off on Karmic for a few weeks anyways I guess. I need a stable install, It's my work system, can't be dealing with bugs and crashes09:51
mzzwell, it's in FinalFreeze before the rc right now, so it should already be mostly stable.09:52
JasseTstanley: but if you really need a rock solid system, I'd suggest not to install Karmic at first but see how it works for others09:54
chris|morning everyone10:20
chris|has anybody succeeded in getting 5.1 sound working in karmic? :)10:20
wektIn Computer Janitor, what does the check mark mean next to items in the Unused list?10:24
Tronicchris|: Yes. I started by uninstalling pulseaudio.10:26
chris|Tronic, I'd like to keep that tough :)10:26
wekti uninstalled it too. for ekiga.  and you, Tronic?  I was wondering whether i could use jack to route alsa to ekiga and pulse10:27
chris|I'm getting 5.0, but the subwoofer just won't play anything10:28
TronicUsing JACK for non-professional use is a really bad idea.10:29
TronicYou cannot pass AC3 thru it and you cannot switch sample rates on it.10:29
wektI found out (janitor).  it means it will remove the package.10:30
wektTronic: i don't see a need for either of those things in most cases.  AC3 will be handled at a higher level.  So will sample rate conversion.  just run most cards at the highest rate possible.10:31
wektbut if you see a need, efeel free to explain10:32
TronicIt is impossible to pass-through the AC3 thru JACK (unless it happens to be running at the exact same SR).10:33
mechdaveAnyone know why my /boot/grub directory has all these files in it? --> http://pastebin.com/f42fda6e510:33
mzzyes, grub 2 has lots of little files10:33
TronicIn any case, the only thing JACK is going to do is add more latency, if you use it together with other audio servers.10:33
mzzmechdave: don't worry about it, unless you want to hack on grub or something10:34
TronicThere is already too much latency for realtime applications when using ALSA directly, so you really can't take any extra.10:34
mechdavemzz, Ah righto, it is normal... I looked in there for my menu.lst and got the shock of my life :)10:34
mzzTronic: "switch sample rates on it" doesn't make a ton of sense. You can definitely tell jack to use a different sample rate (it's a commandline argument), and switching it without restarting it doesn't make sense.10:35
wektTronic: perhaps i don't know what you mean by "pass AC3 through jack". as far as i know, you don't 'pass AC3 through ALSA' for example.  sure jack would add a bit of latency, but if it lets you run pulse and many things start depending on pulse, it may be worth while.10:35
mzzmechdave: grub config is now done primarily through /etc/default/grub, or by editing below /etc/grub.d (mainly 40_custom)10:35
mzzmechdave: /boot/grub/ is best left alone, apart from sanitychecking grub.cfg if you messed with the previously mentioned files10:36
Tronicmzz: Any consumer-oriented audio interface (e.g. ALSA) automatically switches to the most suitable sampling rate when the device is opened. Once you start JACK (and I assume you plan to leave it running even when you have no applications running), the rate is locked.10:36
mechdavemzz, thanks for the heads up :0)10:36
mzzTronic: jack isn't.10:36
Tronicmzz: Isn't what?10:36
mzz(a consumer-oriented audio interface, that is)10:36
TronicOh really? Thanks for finally repeating my point!10:36
mzz"JACK was designed from the ground up for professional audio work, and its design focuses on two key areas: synchronous execution of all clients, and low latency operation"10:37
TronicWhich was, if I may repeat: DO NOT USE JACK FOR CONSUMER-ORIENTED APPLICATIONS.10:37
mzzoh, my bad. I might've gotten you and the person you were talking to mixed up then.10:37
TronicOk.10:37
mzz(I blame being low on both sleep and caffeine. I should just stop ircing)10:38
mechdaveWow, grub now packs a lot more punch :)10:38
Tronicwekt: Why exactly would you need to run JACK to use Pulse?10:39
Tronicwekt: And ALSA does AC3-passing just fine, either with its specific sample format or as 16 bit PCM stereo (which just happens to be a good transfer for AC3-passing).10:39
wektbecause pulse is incompatible with ekiga.  i need ekiga.10:39
wektTronic: where can i read about ac3 passing.  i don't know what it is.10:40
Tronicwekt: And normally you would be using iec958 as ALSA device, but hw:0 or other non-mixed devices can also work.10:40
Tronicwekt: When you have a home theater amplifier connected to the computer with S/PDIF optical or coaxial cable, you can send the compressed audio stream (Dolby Digital (AC3) or DTS) of a movie over the S/PDIF without the computer ever decoding it, so that the amplifier can decode it.10:41
wekti see.10:42
mzzmechdave: more than the scripts used to generate grub.cfg can handle, imho10:42
mzzwekt: using any arbitrary app that wasn't written for it as a jack client doesn't make a ton of sense, imho10:43
TronicPulse is incompatible with a lot of thing, broken with others and it has a lot of latency with everything. That's why I uninstalled it and switched to good old ALSA dmix setup.10:43
wekti don't have that though.  IIRC, SPDIF carries or can carry DRM, so i don't want it either.  dmix has worked well for you?  others have reported problems.  mzz, i must check whether jack provides an alsa interface before my plan makes any sense, i think.10:45
mzzwekt: I'm actually using pulse currently (specifically to get output from two systems out of one pair of headphones)10:45
mzzwekt: I don't do any ac3 passthrough10:45
TronicThe DRM in S/PDIF is two bits in the header and when you use Linux, you can freely set them any way you want.10:45
Tronic(or maybe three bits)10:46
mzzand yeah.10:46
mzzI thought it was one or two10:46
ntsasngHi all10:46
ntsasngI'm have lost audio when upgrading to 9.10. Need Help10:47
ntsasnghelp me please10:47
indushelloo10:47
industo all those having problems with tvtuners not outputing sound i have news10:48
ntsasngno body help me?10:48
indususe amixer and try10:48
mzzwekt: jack is pretty awesome, but only if you require very low-latency audio routing/handling.10:48
mzzwekt: for just ekiga and music playback and the like it's more trouble than it's worth10:48
chris|it works :D10:49
whatok so i've not been able to get this sucker to roll right.10:52
whati.e. i cannot get grub2 to work properly10:52
Trewaswekt: spdif does not have any drm features10:52
whatusing lvm / encrypted home partitions10:52
whatq6600 / 1.5tb 500gb 750gb 500gb / 8600gt+nvidia-glx-18510:52
whatBeen googling for a while now, dont see any real howto on setting up LVM + grub2 - got some kindness?10:53
wektTrewas: looks like you are right.  maybe i was thinking of hdmi?10:54
ntsasngI'm have lost audio when upgrading to 9.10. Need Help10:57
Trewaswekt: hdmi (optionally) uses HDCP copy protection, but it is transparent to the user if the devices support it, and all new TVs etc do10:57
wekt"There is NO extra latency caused by using JACK for audio input and output. When we say none, we mean absolutely zero."10:59
whatmmhmm11:00
mac_vntsasng: for some it is a transient problem , try unmuting and muting the volume and the sound returns on reboot11:00
mac_vntsasng: are you full up-to-date11:00
mac_v?11:00
ntsasngyes11:00
indusntsasng: type amixer in terminal and see if anything says off11:01
whati found it had muted my analog/digital jack and unmuting that and turning up channel volumes via alsamixer was all i needed to get sound btw ntsasng11:01
mac_vntsasng: delete your ~/.pulse folder and the .pulse-cookie before you reboot11:01
ntsasngamixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory11:01
whatso anyway no one on lvm + grub2 ?11:01
mzzwhat: works for me11:02
mzzwhat: (without a separate /boot partition though)11:02
what /boot seperate ?11:02
whatno?11:02
mzzno.11:02
what!$@%#@11:02
mzzwhat: it may or may not work with a separate /boot11:02
mac_vntsasng: some have config conflicts from the jaunty and karmic versions , so deleting the folder and file helps reset the config11:02
whatand i suppose thats got to be primary not extended?11:02
mzzwhat: specifically: the os_prober code dealing with a separate /boot is broken, but it may actually work for karmic with a separate /boot11:03
mzzwhat: it couldn't care less11:03
mzzwhat: I missed your problem description. Does grub itself start?11:03
whati'm doing fresh install - drive 0 is 1.5TB - got 100GB lvm and when i boot - it shows: grub rescue > [above this disk wasnt found]11:03
ntsasngmac_v: deleting what folder?11:03
mac_vntsasng: delete your ~/.pulse folder and the .pulse-cookie11:03
whattried installing grub into hd0 and hd0,411:04
whatso what ive done mzz is boot into the system via the 'boot from first hard drive' option via the installer11:04
mac_vntsasng: and then reboot.11:04
whatGot any clues from _inside_ ?11:04
mzzwhat: first thing to realise is the partition numbering it uses changed11:05
mzzwhat: (hd0) is still (hd0), but partitions are numbered from 1 now, like linux does them11:05
whatok11:05
mzzwhat: second thing is that I haven't had to use the grub rescue prompt yet and know pretty much nothing about it :(11:05
whathd0 != sda ?11:05
MJEvanswhat: hd0 is whatever the 0th drive is to the bios.11:06
whatyeah i cant even find any commands from inside it for it11:06
mzzwhat: I'd boot off something, chroot in, apt-get update and upgrade, sanitycheck the generated /boot/grub/grub.cfg11:06
mac_v!grub2 | what11:06
ubottuwhat: GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager in Karmic. For more information on GRUB2 please refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub211:06
whatMJEvans, you would think so however ive been reading about pivots to sdb and it kept trying to boot off sdb for a while11:06
mzzwhat: and yeah, like in the previous grub (hd0) is whatever the bios sees as first11:06
whatthat better be helpful mac_v i've done quite a bit of reading :P11:07
MJEvanswhat: Pivots?  Sounds like remapping 'bios drives' in mid grub operation11:07
whatmzz, unless it remaps11:07
mzzespecially if it remaps :)11:07
mac_vwhat: that wiki is almost all the info anyone has ;)11:07
ntsasngmac_v: delete and reboot?11:07
mac_vntsasng: yup11:07
ntsasngI'm deleted11:07
ntsasngyes11:08
ntsasngPp11:08
whatok testing time - brb :P11:08
ntsasngmac_v: unsuccess11:10
MJEvansmzz: On my 9.10 test system (I'm testing linux compatability with respect to my just pre-retirement parents), I symlinked  /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober to  /etc/grub.d/06_os-prober to duplicate the entry (and shoehorn it in as the default without changing anything else).  Seems to work quite well.11:10
ntsasng:(11:10
mac_vntsasng: :(  ...11:10
ntsasngwhat is me doing now?11:11
mac_vntsasng: ok file a bug in launchpad11:11
mzzMJEvans: "the" entry?11:11
ntsasngmac_v: I'm buged11:11
mzzMJEvans: oh, to make some non-karmic os the default?11:11
mzzMJEvans: I guess that makes sense, with the number of karmic kernels installed being variable11:11
ntsasngsudo alsa force-reload11:12
mzzMJEvans: but there should really be a better way to do that kind of thing. grub 2's pretty scriptable, it remains to be seen how that can be used in practice11:12
ntsasng WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon file system /home/nguyensang/.gvfs11:12
ntsasng:|11:12
mzzntsasng: you normally don't care. What's the actual problem?11:13
mac_vntsasng: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems11:13
MJEvansmzz: the way I see the output occuring is that it generates 'configure' code in order of the sorting for the files in that directory.  Unless I can do something like syslinux/pxelinux where I specify a default -label- I don't see any other way of dealing with variable kernels; since the quantity isn't known or counted in any way to my knowledge.11:14
mzzexactly11:14
mac_vntsasng: also > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting11:14
ntsasngmac_v: thank11:15
indusntsasng: you odnt have amixer?11:20
indusrecent updates did some problems to alsa and muted my cd in volume11:21
ntsasngindus: amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory11:21
indusntsasng: sudo apt-get install alsa-utils11:22
indusntsasng: its funny, i have it default11:22
ntsasngindus: i'm installed gnome-alsamixer11:22
ntsasngbut11:22
ntsasngit's don't work11:22
indusntsasng: ya that wont work11:22
indusntsasng: install alsa-utils which has amixer11:23
industhen see if something is off11:23
ntsasngalsa-utils alreadly11:23
ntsasngalsa-utils already11:24
indusntsasng: so no amixer? thats strange11:24
indusntsasng: sure you type correct command11:24
indusamixer11:24
ntsasngyes, I sure11:24
indusntsasng: ya i mean oops11:25
indusntsasng: amixer cant find some file is the error11:25
indusntsasng: reinstall alsa-base11:25
indusntsasng: and alsa utils11:25
indusntsasng: first remove completely sudo apt-get --purge alsa*11:25
indusntsasng: amixer is looking for a device to read and it cant find it i believe11:26
ntsasngi'm remove it11:26
indusntsasng: then reinstalland restart system11:26
ntsasngand i'm reinstalled11:26
indusntsasng: also in terminal type aplay -l11:26
ntsasngand reboot system11:26
ntsasngaplay: device_list:223: no soundcards found...11:27
indusntsasng: so that is the problem11:27
indusntsasng: so sound card > no sound :D11:27
indusno sound card i mean11:27
ntsasngmy PC has card sound11:27
indusntsasng: what system is this11:27
ntsasngMy computer has sound card11:29
indusntsasng: which model of machine11:30
ntsasngindus:  0 [ICH6           ]: ICH4 - Intel ICH611:32
ntsasng                      Intel ICH6 with ALC655 at irq 1711:32
ntsasng 1 [ALS4000        ]: ALS4000 - Avance Logic ALS400011:32
ntsasng                      Avance Logic ALS4000 at 0xa000, irq 2011:32
induswhich command gave you this output11:32
Drop_tablesWhere does network manager store its connections? I need to manually remove a messed up entry11:33
ntsasngindus: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems11:33
ntsasngindus: i'm removed alsa*11:35
Boohbahcat /proc/asound/cards11:35
ntsasngi'm reinstall it now?11:36
indusntsasng: yes!11:36
ntsasngsuccess?11:36
ntsasng:D11:36
indusntsasng: i dont know :)11:37
indusntsasng: i dont think so11:37
ntsasngindus: hiz11:37
indusntsasng: what?11:37
ntsasnghiz11:39
ntsasng800MB11:40
indusntsasng: what s 800 mb11:40
ntsasngalsa*11:40
indusntsasng: no way11:43
indussudo apt-get install alsa-base11:43
ntsasngyes11:43
ntsasnginstalling alsa*11:43
indusits not 800 mb11:43
indusyeah ok11:43
indusgood11:43
indusrestart system when finish11:43
ntsasngalsa* include alsa-base ?11:43
ahunorgreetings11:43
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ntsasngindus: alsa* include alsa-base11:44
indusntsasng: yeah11:44
ahunorDoes anyone use Netbeans 6.7.1 ? I can't manage to create a project, it says either that the destination directory already exists or that it doesn't.11:44
ntsasngindus: I'm member Ubuntu Vietnam11:45
ntsasng:D11:45
indusntsasng: hello11:45
wekt~11:45
indusntsasng: ya i think we spoke one time11:45
ntsasngars you american?11:45
indusars :D11:45
indusno11:45
indusindia11:45
ntsasnguhm11:45
indusiam a member of nothing :P11:46
ntsasng:P11:46
Boohbahi am a member of the indus fan club11:46
ntsasngindus: nice too meet you11:46
ntsasngindus: thank for suport11:46
Ian_Cornebug 45297811:47
Ian_Cornegief ubottu11:47
ubottuBug 452978 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/452978 is private11:47
Ian_Cornewhot?11:47
ntsasngunable to open url11:47
Ian_Corneno11:47
Ian_CorneiNot allowed here11:48
Ian_CorneSorry, you don't have permission to access this page.11:48
indusBoohbah: lol i have a fan club? since nwhe11:48
whatok so my hats off to you mac_v11:48
indusBoohbah: iam a fan of yogi bear and boohbah , or is that booboo11:48
ActionParsnipyo yo yo11:48
whatinterestingly enough that did allow me to cure the problem, however it still should not have been needed lol11:49
* mac_v doesnt know what he did right ;)11:49
whatthe option to install grub to _every_ drive did it11:49
mac_v;)11:49
indusntsasng: so u hear anything?11:49
whatthere must have been some bug i was getting subjected to; i had considered doing a dd of each and submitting it but BAH11:49
whatanyway, thanks ;)11:49
indusActionParsnip: hello11:49
robin0800Ian_Corne: its alright here perhaps you have to be logged in11:50
indusdoes anyone know the difference between command line and curses????11:51
ntsasnginstalling so long time11:51
indusntsasng: can you tell me what packages are being installed11:52
Ian_Cornerobin0800: i am logged in :)11:52
ntsasngindus: alsa*11:52
Ian_Cornethey changed it already :)11:52
AzaThtI just noticed my keybord didn't use under gdm11:52
AzaThts/use/work/11:53
Ian_Cornelol11:53
Ian_Corneouch11:53
oldude67xp in virtualbox now eats up all my cpu performance since the update yesterday and today...anyone else having this issue?12:01
oldude67i mean i know my system needs more ram, but it wasnt doing this bad until yesterday.12:02
mzzindus: "command line" usually means it talks to you line by line (like the shell does, for example), while a "curses" app takes over the entire terminal window (like "less" and "nano" do)12:03
mzzindus: what was the context to that question?12:03
whatHow much ram in teh host system, and how much for the vm?12:03
leaf-sheepoldude67: How do you know it's not the XP? :)12:03
whats/teh/the12:03
Ian_Corneeveryone knows that the longer an xp system is installed the more it sucks12:03
whatImaging rules.12:03
oldude67leaf-sheep, cause the only thing it does is my magicjack phone it dont run anything else. and i just rebooted both.12:03
mzzindus: usually if you can choose "commandline" gives you questions which you type an answer to, while "curses" gives you an interface with something like menus, using arrow keys and the like to navigate.12:04
mzzoldude67: and you doublechecked with taskman in xp that its virtual cpu is idle?12:05
oldude67ok its calmed down a bit, its now only using 40% of the cpu.12:05
mzzoldude67: also, if there was a virtualbox update in there you might have to reboot to pick up the new kernel module (although I'm not sure about that)12:05
oldude67i think it was trying to connect to micro$oft update and all i havent even updated it. like i said it just runs my phone.12:06
oldude67its down to 12% now.12:06
ntsasngBye | all12:07
ntsasngindus: bye12:07
oldude67when does the first rc come out?12:08
mzznext week12:08
oldude67and how hard is it to use a ubuntu as a router box for port forwarding?12:09
oldude67and would it be better to set up, that type of system by hand or use a program, if a program which one?12:10
ActionParsnip!ics12:10
ubottuIf you want to share the internet connection of your ubuntu machine with other machines in the network see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetConnectionSharing - You may also use !firestarter: http://www.fs-security.com/docs/connection-sharing.php12:10
oldude67hey ActionParsnip , thanks,12:10
oldude67my wife and son use xp and they are getting spammed really bad, so i figured i would set this box up to control there messes...12:11
mzzif "spammed" is the email kind of spam I wouldn't expect any kind of port forwarding to be all that useful in dealing with the problem12:12
oldude67mzz, no the wife keeps getting her yahoo account shut off by someone.12:14
Ian_Cornebest solution to being spammed is forwarind all mail to a gmail account and have that forward to your normal mail again12:14
oldude67keeps getting logged out of the computer and of her messengers.12:14
mzzoldude67: still not convinced port forwarding will help. Especially not if you're behind the kind of adsl or cable modem/router most people are behind these days.12:15
EagleScreenis ipv6 enabled in 9.10?12:17
jpdsEagleScreen: It's enabled on all releases?12:17
oldude67mzz, i havent really looked at the modem or router really to tell if it has its own firewall.12:20
Ian_Corneoldude67: you log out of messenger when some1 else logs in to her account12:20
Ian_Cornechange her password12:20
Ian_Corneand make her not fill in the information in physing sites12:21
oldude67Ian_Corne, we have several times.12:21
oldude67and she doesnt even know what that word is let alone know not to fill them out..lol12:21
HoopyCatsecurity isn't a product12:22
oldude67HoopyCat, no but it does help.12:22
Ian_Corneoldude67: you could make her use firefox, it warns you when going to a reported physing site12:23
oldude67yeah i thought about that as well, but havent had a chance to mess with it much lately...so next few days is getting the systems back in order and seeing how to keep some of this stuff from happening..12:24
HoopyCatoldude67:  not enough :-/  humans are pretty much the downfall of any security plan.12:25
Dr_WillisDestroy all Humans!12:27
Dr_Willis:)12:27
HoopyCatoldude67:  so certainly, better software can improve things (if your submarine has a screen door, you're already having a bad day, you know?), but it's probably going to take some education and training.  which can be awkward in family situations...12:28
cetanhotajoin #ubuntu-ppc12:28
cetanhotasorry12:28
industhanks mzz12:29
indusmzz: would you know why amixer works and alsamixer wouldnt12:30
mzzno12:30
indusoki12:32
oldude67HoopyCat, you know it, the son thinks hes gods gift to the computer...till i have to fix it for him.12:32
HoopyCatoldude67:  it should be trivial to set up a firewall box that, when malware-like activity is detected from the local network, determines the source and opens a trap door under the user12:36
HoopyCatoldude67:  but again, that's not a software-only solution ;-)12:36
HoopyCat(nor did it make 9.10 before feature freeze)12:37
oldude67HoopyCat, got some reference reading in that kind of solution?12:37
PufheadHi got sendt to this chan from the #ubuntu chan Dr_Willis sayd that the monitor settings/xconfig is not set right12:41
Pufheadhere is a image of what my screen looks like http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/1474/image001ma.jpg and it is stuck on that screen12:41
indusPufhead: Dr_Willis is not a real doctor :P12:41
Pufheadhaha :P12:41
HoopyCatoldude67:  just some old warner brothers cartoons, an electronics textbook, and an arduino reference sheet.  safety first: remember to be very careful cutting through floor joists, and put a diode across the trap door release coil (inductors, and all that)12:41
oldude67HoopyCat, lol yeah i hear, what ever happened to the good old cartoons anyways..lmao12:42
HoopyCatoldude67:  on the software side, snort is useful to watch for dodgy traffic12:42
oldude67HoopyCat, ok so i should look into snort and firestarter, and go from there. thanks.12:44
indusPufhead: this is a install problem i told u, you have to check cd fordefects reinstall etcc12:44
Pufheadok where just hoping that there whas and otter way around it :)12:44
indusPufhead: check cd for defects wont take much time12:46
Pufheadok12:46
tzangergood morning; is it possible to get a list of packages and their current versions so that if I do antoher upgrade and something is less than great I can report it and roll back?12:46
indusPufhead: but the md5 sum is important12:46
indusPufhead: did u also burn cd at a reasonably slow speed12:47
tzangerdpkg --get-selections doesn't seem to report the exact package name12:47
tzangeraha dpkg -l looks better12:48
joaopintotzanger, dpkg -l12:48
ActionParsnipcan we have an official wubi room made, it really would be useful to load wubi users over there for the weird installation gripes it has?12:48
HoopyCattzanger:  dpkg -l will list versions, but it's not quite as wide as i'd like12:48
joaopintoActionParsnip, are that much wubi specific problems to woth a channel ?12:48
PufheadIndus: think it where on auto speed i think12:48
joaopintoHoopyCat, you can do a backup of the current Packages file12:48
ActionParsnipjoaopinto: i just dislike it, installing a good OS on a bad OS is gonna be issues12:49
HoopyCat... 'course, if i make my window wider, dpkg -l becomes wider.  (why haven't i tried that before)12:49
joaopintoActionParsnip, that is not  a proper justification to create an official channel :)12:49
joaopintoActionParsnip, and your statement is not correct, you are not installing an OS over another OS, you are just using a filesystem from anoter OS12:50
indusPufhead: ya bad idea, that wil burn at 48x12:50
oldude67ActionParsnip, i agree, its like polishing a turd..its still going to be a turd.12:50
indusPufhead: burn at 8x12:50
tzangerHoopyCat: dpkg-query -W is what I ant12:51
tzangerer want12:51
joaopintowubi does not run from windows, it's a regular linux OS using an NTFS file for it's storage12:51
tzangerdpkg-query -W > packages-20091016.txt, then I can keep track of it all :-)12:51
ActionParsnipjoaopinto: its an extra cog in the system but it does have weirdness that a more precise channel may be able to help with12:51
Pufheadindus: ok gona do that now :) thnx for the help btw12:51
indusPufhead: you are wikommen12:51
induswelcome i mean12:52
joaopintoActionParsnip, if there are wubi problems, then it should be a #wubi channel, not an #ubuntu-wubi :), which makes it not related to ubuntu :P12:52
ActionParsnipgotcha12:52
indusjoaopinto  there is a wubi channel i think12:52
indusjoaopinto but now its part of ubuntu i think12:53
joaopintois wubi ubuntu only ?12:53
wektJackD: maybe you know whether jack(d) can provide an alsa interface to apps that only know about alsa?  i found bio2jack, but that needs special programming i guess.12:54
HoopyCatoldude67:  you can also look at something like dansguardian (a http proxy with content control) to actively control outgoing web traffic, since a firewall by itself is not going to stop someone from going to a phishing/infected site and/or opendns (a freely-available commercial dns service that can intercept and redirect requests for "bad" hostnames)12:54
tarzanhi... one question, what happened to the gdm configuration app?12:54
joaopintotarzan, the new gdm does not provide such a tool yet12:55
tarzanargs12:55
tarzank12:55
tarzanthanks12:55
joaopintoneither theming12:55
tarzanhow to disable the sounds then=12:56
tarzan?12:56
indusok btw, doesanyone have a usplash?12:56
indusall  i see now is some white logo12:56
joaopintoindus, that all there is to see :P12:57
joaopintothat's12:57
induswhat the h** why?12:57
indussomething gorgeous is coming up?12:57
joaopintowhat's wrong with the current logo ?12:57
industhats not the intended splash obviously, it doesnt do anyting12:58
zniavre_where is this picture please (white logo ) ?12:59
HoopyCattzanger:  thanks for the dpkg-query -W .... that's going in my toolbag :-)12:59
indussome white logo which then moves to a brown scroll bar12:59
phakois kernel.core_pattern not supported anymore on karmic's kernel?13:00
Dr_WillisHmm.. I get Grub -> a ubuntu logo -> xsplash screen brown + ubuntu word/logo and a animated throbber.. -> GDM -> xsplash+thribber again -> actual desktop13:01
wirechiefi am having an issue with a blank screen after last night update, since xorg.conf no longer is used is there instructions on how to troubleshoot this ?, i found this but i am afraid its out of date https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/BlankScreen13:02
indusDr_Willis: white static ubuntu logo + brown screen + scroll horizontal > silly gdm > desktop13:02
indusDr_Willis: why is this left like this?13:03
tarzanis compositing currently broken with fglrx?13:07
mzzmany things are broken with fglrx13:07
mzzconsider giving the open drivers another try, especially if you haven't done so recently13:08
mzz(unless they really don't support your card at all)13:08
tarzanmzz: i would, but the power managment sucks13:08
mzzah13:08
mzzthat I don't know about13:08
tarzanmzz: i know they work quite nicely nowadays, even with r600... but i don't want to kill my laptops battery13:08
* mzz nods13:09
mzzcan't help you with that, sorry.13:09
tarzanthanks13:09
mzz(more specifically: the radeon I have is old enough that it's impossible to run fglrx with a nonancient xorg-server on it, and it's in a desktop so I haven't had to look into power management)13:09
connexCan anyone help me to zero on my boot problem?13:10
connex*zero in on13:10
Deathvalley122what boot problems connex?13:14
connexweird slowness.13:14
Deathvalley122sounds like the grub13:14
joaopintoI don't have issues with fglrx13:15
Deathvalley122grub bootloader13:15
connexIt takes me a 1:15 minutes to boot.13:15
joaopintoDeathvalley122, how have you determited that it's related to grub :) ?13:15
Deathvalley122lol13:15
joaopintoconnex, some ppl have reported very long boot times, I don't know the reason  :|13:16
Deathvalley122cause I have had issues with the grub before13:16
connexI can upload a bootchart if that would help.13:16
joaopintoDeathvalley122, grub usually takes 1% of the boot time, it is a very unlikely candidate13:16
Dr_Willisso it takes over a minet for the system to get to the splsh screens once you  get past the grub menu?13:16
Dr_WillisOr what exactly..13:16
Deathvalley122usually takes me 30 seconds for mine to boot up13:17
Deathvalley122:P13:17
TrewasI have two computers (netbook and a c2d based desktop) running karmic and both take over minute from grub to gdm, so 1:15 sounds quite normal13:18
* Dr_Willis still waits for some actual details :)13:18
Dr_WillisIve not timed mine lately. but from grub -> desktop probery 30-60 sec here13:18
connexMy bios start, then i habe a black screen for about 30 seconds13:18
connexthen xsplash starts running13:19
Dr_Willishow many hard drives are in the machine?13:19
filgythe splash ubuntu splash logo doesn't come up right after grub like it did with jaunty13:19
connexOnly one13:20
filgyit too takes about 30 seconds for me before the ubuntu logo with status bar comes up during boot13:20
Deathvalley122same13:20
Dr_Willisi got a weird box here that takes  grub (even under 9.04) forever to get started . but it has 5 hard drives13:20
Deathvalley122mine goes pretty fast13:20
Dr_Willisbooting is normal.. grub is quirky13:20
Dr_Willisactually it could be the bios I guess getting to the HD.13:20
connexhttp://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6701/fienddesktopkarmic20091.png13:21
filgyDr_Willis: i'd guess bios13:21
joaopintohum, the 30s on the black screen is not grub, it's usplash13:21
joaopintoyou mean the black screen prior to the ubuntu logo with a moving bar ?13:21
Dr_Willisfilgy:  yep. its jusst a file server that has 5+ weeks of uptime.. so boot time is not impornatnat\13:21
filgyjoaopinto: yes...13:21
filgyjoaopinto: and yea it's def still booting.. not just sitting at grub or anything13:22
filgyjoaopinto: there's just no feedback at all for atleast 30 seconds until that logo with status bar comes up13:22
joaopintoso it's not grub, it's kernel load+usplash+system services13:22
connexbios 5s-> black screen 20-30s-> ubuntu usplash with white logo13:22
joaopintofilgy, there should be another logo during that time, one without a bar13:23
joaopintofilgy, that is the real system boot time, on a working usplash it shows just a white ubuntu logo13:23
Ian_Corneconnex: no grub?13:23
filgyjoaopinto: nope... does it use framebuffer or something? maybe that's the problem?13:23
connexIan_Corne, No grub. just a white underscore on a black screen on the top left of the screen13:23
joaopintofilgy, no idea, but yes, it could be a problem setting the video mode13:24
joaopintofilgy, you could try booting without usplash13:24
phimichi all13:24
phimici have a problem with ubuntu netbook remix 9.10 beta 1 on a asus eeepc 1008ha13:24
phimicif i try to install the system, the X-Server wont be start (display is flickering)13:25
filgyjoaopinto: so i should just remove 'quiet splash' from grub to do that?13:25
phimiclive cd does not work either, hangs on boot13:25
joaopintofilgy, yes13:25
joaopintophimic, isn't there a safe graphics mode option on the live cd ?13:26
filgythanks.. i probably would prefer that anyways.. i like seeing all the boot messages.. although i understand the need for a splash screen as it probably scares new users :)13:26
Deathvalley122lol13:27
ActionParsnipfilgy: i like the messages too, lets you know whats going on13:27
Deathvalley122until something breaks13:27
wektfilgy: search for usplash & xsplash & remove them to remove startup splash13:27
wektpackages13:28
joaopintowekt, you don't need to remove the packages to disable them13:28
filgywekt: i'll just remove 'quiet splash' from grub.. think that's a bit easier ;p13:30
filgyi must say though the boot process (or splash screen atleast) felt alot smoother with jaunty for some reason..13:31
csbActionParsnip: so I'm karmicised now. :)13:31
filgymaybe i just liked the old graphics better13:31
ActionParsnipcsb: cool13:32
AzaThthas anyone else except me noticed non-functional keyboard during gdm greater?13:32
csbActionParsnip, apart from conky, everything is nearly back to how I left it in jaunty :)13:33
filgyAzaTht: i have to click my username instead of typing it.. other than that no i havn't13:33
connexHas anyone looked at my bootchart?13:34
tzangeryay update worked13:35
tzangerantoher week, another 350MB of updates :-)13:35
AzaThtfilgy: I had to use the screen keyboard to entrt my password :(13:35
Ian_Corneis empathy 100% locked for karmic?13:35
Ian_Corneit still not as good as pidgin..13:35
Dr_Willis100% locked means?13:36
AzaThtfrozen13:36
mzzIan_Corne: FinalFreeze has hit, so I'd be astonished if it was ripped out and replaced at this point13:36
Dr_WillisIf you want pidgon install it ...13:36
mzzIan_Corne: critical bug fixes, sure, making it 100% as good as some other piece of software it's a bit late for13:36
Ian_Cornedamn13:37
AzaThtDr_Willis: that's a bit to think upsidedown13:37
ActionParsnipIan_Corne: thats an opinion, so many would agree, many would disagree13:37
Ian_Corneyep13:37
AzaThtDr_Willis: the question is how many want to use pidgin versus how many want to use empathy atm13:37
ActionParsnipIan_Corne: so empathy is not better than pidgin, and pidgin is not better than empathy.13:37
* Dr_Willis dosent use either one.. so take them both out...13:38
tzangerkopete ftw :-)13:38
Dr_Willisand update WeeChat13:38
G_A_CAzaTht: alternatively, how many people even know about Empathy....I didn't until it became apparent it would be in Karmic13:38
filgyi've briefly used empathy and found it rather nifty13:38
Dr_WillisI was playing with Quassle in Kubuntu. its neat.. but odd/lacking/buggy/cool in ways :)13:38
filgyAzaTht: that's no good about the kbd.. it works after you login?13:38
AzaThtfilgy: yea13:38
filgyAzaTht: very strange.. did you just upgrade to karmic or was it a update that did this?13:39
AzaThtI did an upgrade yesterday I think, or if it was monday I did one13:39
Dr_Willis!bootchart13:39
ubottubootchart charts your machine at boot time, to install >> sudo apt-get install bootchart << the graphic is in /var/log/bootchart after the next reboot13:39
filgyAzaTht: it's been like that since the initial upgrade to karmic though?13:40
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AzaThtfilgy: updating 292 pkgs atm13:40
AzaThtfilgy: no13:40
AzaThtnoticed it today13:40
joaopintoAzaTht, if choices were based on popularity there would be no innovation :)13:40
filgyAzaTht: weird.. lemme guess.. usb keyboard?13:40
AzaThtfilgy: no13:40
AzaThtusb mouse, but ps2 keyboard13:40
AzaThtthe mouse did work13:40
filgyweird.. if gdm is being updated currently hopefully that fixes it13:41
AzaThthmm13:41
AzaThtsee I did last upgrade 3 days ago13:41
filgyi like to monitor here for a bit before i update instead of just doing it blindly every day or so :)13:41
AzaThtheh13:42
AzaThtperhaps it's not related to gdm, but to pre-X alltogether13:43
filgyAzaTht: if you can ctrl+alt+f2 to console and the kbd works there.. and it works after login.. it is probably gdm13:43
joaopintoit's probably X, not gdm :)13:44
filgyi see some gdm bugs about it not applying the correct layout.. but nothing about the kbd not working at all13:44
joaopintogdm is just a regular X app13:44
filgydo you have a weird layout or something ?13:44
AzaThtnope13:44
filgyjoaopinto: why would it work after login with gdm then? weird permission issue or something? that's all i could guess :)13:44
joaopintook, it works after loggin in, sorry :P13:45
Dr_Willis!bootchart13:45
filgyalthough that layout bug would drive me crazy if i had dvorak and it was putting me in qwerty or something.. imagine typign your password until you realize the problem lol :)13:46
oldude67anyone got a page or two of how to connect to another computer so i can get my pictures off of it?13:49
[4-tea-2]Howdy. Is there a trick to get all the fancy desktop changes on a system upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10?13:50
floatingwhat should i do when I get failed to download package files - check your internet connection, and in details: Failed to fetch http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/eglibc/libc-bin_2.10.1-0ubuntu13_i386.deb 404  Not Found etc13:50
oldude67i dont know squat about ssh or anything so it has to be for dumbies..:(13:50
mzzfloating: apply patience13:51
AzaThtoldude67: perhaps ask at #ubuntu13:51
oldude67ah probably be better if i went to O.T.13:52
legend2440floating: i get same error  try this  http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/eglibc/13:52
floatingcan I have that at sources.list in some way13:53
floatingor should I apply all 404 manually from deb ?13:53
joaopintofloating, just change to a different mirror13:53
floatingseems to work, started downloading stuff.. it's been a long time since I updated13:57
floatingbasically no updates after beta release13:58
[4-tea-2]Hmmm. I guess my question was just too stupid. So there's gotta be an obvious solution. Going to hunt for it.13:58
tzanger[4-tea-2]: "fancy desktop changes" ?13:59
joaopinto[4-tea-2], which fancy deskto changes ?13:59
[4-tea-2]e.g. gnome-shell/mutter, which wasn't the default window manager on 9.0413:59
joaopintoyou get all the changes, except for user account defaults, like themes, etc, that is up to you to reset for your user13:59
joaopintonone of those are 9.10 defaults14:00
[4-tea-2]Testing with "gnome-shell --replace", I didn't find a way to access the gnome-cc, so I figured just changing the window manager isn't "enough".14:00
[4-tea-2]joaopinto: oh, I wasn't aware of that.14:00
[4-tea-2]Well then, let me rephrase my question: is there an easy way to switch from whatever is the default desktop to gnome-shell/Zeitgeist/whatever great new things 9.10 has in store?14:02
zniavregnome-shell --replace14:04
[4-tea-2]On a related note, what's the preferred desktop search engine for 9.10?14:04
[4-tea-2]zniavre: I commented on that.14:04
zniavresorry14:04
joaopintoat this stage I guess those are just used for experimental purposes14:06
NinjaPlimsollshi all14:07
ActionParsnip[4-tea-2]: nothing is preferred, everyone has a preference14:14
ActionParsnip[4-tea-2]: there will rarely be a uniconed voice for one app for one task14:14
ActionParsnip[4-tea-2]: why not try a few, see which you like. then use that one14:14
Manchurianohola - h2ll014:17
lionlixhi guys14:33
lionlixi installed bootchart14:33
lionlixi found out my boot time is 1:14 min14:33
lionlixis there a way to reduce it14:33
mhmHi there, i have a problem with eclipse in 9.10 beta, but apport cannot report the bug.14:34
Lazylionlix: well, you could check from the bootchart if there are programs that you dont need14:36
Lazyand then you could remove them14:36
Lazyif the processor/hdd is maxed out all the time there isn't that much to do at this point14:36
Lazyssd are pretty fast and can reduce your boot time significantly14:37
geniilionlix: You can put as a boot option on the kernel load line for one time the option: profile            boot it up (takes a while as it streamlines the boot process). Subsequent boots are reduced in time.14:39
genii(typically by 7-10% )14:39
lionlixwhat is ssd14:40
lionlix?14:40
[4-tea-2]solid state disks14:40
[4-tea-2]*drive14:40
lionlixyou mean i should change my hard disk14:40
lionlixim using ubuntu in my new dell xps m153014:41
lionlix????14:42
eagles0513875genii: you having any issues with any network managers14:43
eagles0513875lionlix: no hes not saying that at least not from what i can see in the convo. those are the wave of the future those drive but for the size to cost ratio they are still quite expensive14:43
geniieagles0513875: Not currently. I'm using normally though a 9.04/KDE 4.3.2 box though, and not 9.1014:48
eagles0513875bah ok14:48
eagles0513875might have to switch over to wicd as the widget in kde is broken again14:48
* genii sips coffee and tries to forget the recurring nightmares where vicious carnivorous Koalas trap and devour him14:54
mhmHi' I have a problem, after installing 9.10 my Eclipse chrashes all the time...14:54
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cezarthello15:02
rskhi15:02
cezarti noticed problem with baclight and notify-osd15:02
cezarton my wind the notify osd takes 40% of cpu time and flickers backlight by one level all the time15:03
cezartother users spotted same thing with notify-osd?15:04
NinjaPlimsollshi eagles051387515:05
eagles0513875hey NinjaPlimsolls15:05
eagles0513875man there area lot of updates today15:05
eagles0513875lol15:05
* NinjaPlimsolls just found the joy that is Gnome-Do and Docky15:05
* NinjaPlimsolls has a little cry15:05
NinjaPlimsollsyeah eagles0513875, i did an update last night and it got 244mb of packages, then when it restarted it went garbled and had a blinking cursor on a black screen15:06
NinjaPlimsollsrebooted, and it was fine15:06
eagles0513875i have 233 packages to update15:07
NinjaPlimsollsi still dont know why update manager doesnt download delta packages, instead of replacing every single library with a full version15:07
reisishould amd64 be upgradeable atm (ie. not broken -- missing packages) 9.04 -> 9.10? i'm getting 4 missing packages..15:11
nperryNo missing packages here ;/15:12
reisistrange, prhaps i push the "report bug" button then :)15:12
reisii've managed to upgrade my x86 laptop yesterday no problems at all, works like a charm15:12
reisiexcept that konqueror crashed...15:13
thiebaudegot a question about 64bit ubuntu, i have a amd processer that can do 32bit or 64bit is it ok to dl the 64bit alternate cd?15:14
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reisithiebaude: i'd recommed 64bit if you have amd processor yes (same as here)15:16
thiebaudereisi, yea, have the opteron15:16
reisiit'd seem that my local mirror (fi.archive.ubuntu.com) doesn't have these 4 packages that are missing.. who should i complain to?15:16
reisinperry: changed the mirror from local fi.archive.ubuntu.com -> archive.ubuntu.com and the rest of 4 packages were found.. perhaps the mirror hasn't yet synced the 415:20
floatingI wonder what I should here http://up.k10x.net/lqyeiiqgqsrkv/after_an_hour.png15:20
clone_Is the iwl3945 driver problem going to be solved in the karmic?15:21
floatingit has been in that position for over 40 minutes I think, "Unpacking nautilus"15:21
clone_https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/34041815:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 340418 in linux "iwl3945 slow down after some time to 100kbps, unload/load module return speed to 1.5mbps" [Medium,In progress]15:25
clone_this has to be solved, too many machines have intel wireless pro15:26
yoritomohello all15:26
yoritomoa strange problem on videos, i tryed on VLC, Mplayer and Totem, always reversing green and red colors on every movies using Xvideo , no problem with X11 but too slow15:27
yoritomowhat can make this desease on Xvideo ?15:28
yoritomoi found other guys on the net they had blue and red mixed, but not same problem15:28
yoritomomy graphic card is NVidia FX5200 and ubuntu driver with a resolution 1280x1024 undr karmic 6415:29
wrapster kinda forgot how to change the default template of GNU screen...15:29
jlillyhey folks. I've upgraded and things were previously working. now Xorg is taking 99% cpu. Thoughts?15:29
wrapstercan anyone let me know how to change it?15:29
jlillyweirdness: I use xmonad as my window manager.15:30
jlillywrapster: try in #screen ?15:30
jlillyI changed it from xmonad to metacity, but that didn't work either. Now I'm back on xmonad and cpu is going wonky.15:30
rob0Um, no, Ubuntu ships its own .screenrc, that is definitely a Ubuntu question.15:31
yoritomois it a bug ?15:31
rob0And I don't know the answer, but I sure gave a good hint as to where to look.15:31
wrapsterjlilly: thanks15:32
jlilly.. any ideas for a fix to this 100% cpu usage thing w/ Xorg?15:37
coz_jlilly,   I am getting that here as well....also happened in jaunty until I complained about three times  lol15:42
coz_jlilly,   that must be how to fix it ....complain a few times  :)15:42
wrapsterjlilly: that channel seems to be inactive.. could you please let me know if you dont mind15:45
rob0wrapster, am I ignored? If you ask questions in a channel you should read the whole channel. You were told wrong.15:46
recon69_lapas the release of 9.10 coming soon thought I'd come see whats generating chat :)15:47
wrapsterrob0: sorry .. my mistake.. I didnt see your reply.15:47
azimoutquestion: now that we use gdm 2.28, which doesn't (seem to) support themes, what do we do with all the *gdm-theme* packages?15:55
jlillywrapster: I'm not entirely sure. you can check my screenrc at http://github.com/justinlilly/jlilly-bashy-dotfiles15:57
jlillycoz_: Seems to have fixed with another apt-get update && apt-get upgrade15:57
yoritomonobody has seen anything similar like my color problem ?15:57
kankan_is the issue with the intel graphics solved with ubuntu??16:06
coz_kankan_,  I couldnt tell you ... I dont have an intel system here  to work with16:06
JoshuaLi would say: try it16:07
kankan_does anyone use intel here?16:07
azimout@kankan_: which intel issue are you talking about?16:08
kankan_i could not enable compiz for desktop effects.16:09
genii!intel16:09
ubottuUbuntu 9.04 has a known regression for some Intel graphics support. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/IntelPerformance and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1130582 for more information.16:09
geniiazimout: The issue he speaks of is mentioned by the bot, above16:09
azimoutgenii: thanks16:09
geniinp16:10
azimoutgenii: i asked a question above and got no answer16:10
geniiazimout: It's usually a waiting game for someone to arrive which knows about your issue16:10
kankan_is it in the same condition in 9.10 ?no improvement or workaround?16:11
iamfossyhi i've a serious problem with karmic16:11
iamfossycan anyone help me out please16:11
geniiazimout: Re-asking every so often (maybe 10-20 minutes) eventually gets some reply16:11
iamfossykarmic does not automount my USB , gives an error16:11
azimoutgenii: ok, thanks, i'll do that16:12
iamfossyall the details of error is here : http://pastebin.com/m32aa837216:12
iamfossythe actual problem is , its treating my USB as a cdrom16:12
iamfossyand the fstab entry /dev/sdd1 has the details of a cdrom , how can i fix it , any ideas ?16:12
legend2440iamfossy: did you put that line in fstab?16:15
rob0What/who put in that fstab line?16:15
legend2440iamfossy: i would comment out that line and reboot and then just plug in flash drive it should mount16:16
rob0/dev/sd* device nodes use the kernel "sd" (SCSI disk) driver.16:16
geniiLikely the fstab line is from the real cd and the usb storage is usurping it's old position in the drive order16:16
wrapsterjlilly: after going through this.. I wanted to set up mutt as well... could you tell me the difference between mbox_type= and mbox= ? , folder and mask?16:16
iamfossyThanks a lot :) , i'll comment it out and retry16:18
iamfossy@legend , i did not put it , it was there somehow16:19
iamfossy@legend , during boot i get an error of SMBUS2 read error , is it common ?16:19
jlillywrapster: sorry man. try #mutt, I'm not a wiki ;)16:19
iamfossy@rob0 what are my options then ? if sd* drives are used by scsi ?16:20
legend2440iamfossy: see if error goes away after you comment out that line16:20
Dr_Willisiamfossy:  is this a usb flash/thumbdrive with that U3 feature?16:21
iamfossy@Dr Willis , its a Sandisk Cruzer 8 GB flash drive , i dont know what is U3 feature ?16:21
Dr_Willislook on the package and what files it had on it and check the output of sudo fdisk -l;16:22
Dr_WillisU3 stuff on them makes the flash drive apper as a CDROM and a normal flash drive16:22
Dr_Willisand can really confuse linux16:22
iamfossy@Dr Willis fdisk -l reports it as a W95 FAT32 (LBA) system16:23
legend2440according to Amazon.com description the  Sandisk Cruzer 8 GB is   U3 smart enabled16:24
RediXeIs there a way I can edit the compiz-fusion settings (assuming the System->Preferences->Appearance->Visual Effects->Extra is using c-f)16:24
zniavrehello16:25
zniavrewhere is dontzap ?how to reactivate it please?16:26
Dr_Williszniavre:  its best to learn to use alt-ctrl-sysreq-k16:26
Dr_Willistheres a gnome setting to enable it  also.. somewhere under the keyboard settings16:27
legend2440zniavre: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-enabledisable-ctrlaltbackspace-in-ubuntu-9-10-karmic.html16:27
Dr_WillisI got a url on the topic comewhere16:27
Dr_WillisThere is it. :)16:27
zniavreho thank you16:27
Dr_Willisgoogle is our friend. :)16:27
zniavreyep that s true sorry but you are also my friends no? and google do not speak as you16:29
zniavrethank you again16:30
Dr_WillisThats how i found that ubuntugeek  url the first time the other day :)16:30
BluesKajHi folks16:30
mbeierl1RediXe: Are you asking about CCSM (Compiz Config Settings Manager)?  type ccsm in a terminal and it'll tell you if you have it installed and if so, that might be the tool you want...16:32
RepentinusI installed Karmic beta on my laptop and graphics are flickering when I boot up and when I log in ( and if I manage to open some programs) the display goes crazy.16:33
RediXembeierl1, yeah - I clicked the help button and ended up finding out what I needed ...16:33
RepentinusI am using Nvidia GeForce 9650M GT.16:33
mbeierl1RediXe: ok, good.... :)16:33
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ojiiis it a known issue that the battery-indicator in karmic is broken?16:34
ojiimy screen just went black with no prior warning16:34
xguruojii: mine works fine?16:35
ojiiweird16:35
ojiimine obviously doesnt16:35
Dr_WillisAllrighty - found a  new guide at ubuntuhq.com16:35
Dr_Willishttp://www.ubuntuhq.com/content/fixing-popping-sound-ubuntu-karmic16:35
ojiiah nice Dr_Willis, have that issue as well16:36
xguruhave you set your power management to warn you when battery life is low?16:36
Dr_Willisojii:  the artical says its for 'intel' but im going to try it on my nvidia16:36
ojiiwell i have the icon to always show16:36
ojiiand it looked 90% full16:36
Dr_WillisHmm.. the file/line the guide mentions does not exist on my system16:38
mbeierlojii: Mine goes from 100% to 50% as soon as I unplug the power.  It's like it thinks there's supposed to be a second battery...16:38
Dr_Willisdoh typo. :) frogit a /16:38
ojiimbeierl: well mine used to do it correctly, and like warn and everything. now it just went 'zapp'16:38
ojiishock of my life16:38
mbeierlojii: nope - can't say as I've encountered that one before.  But I must say the kernel hibernate/resume sucks.  This is the first time in a long time that I've actually used it (not tux on ice) and man it's BAD16:40
mbeierlyay!  new artwork in today's update ;)16:43
xray7224im updating now =]16:43
Dr_Willisapt-cacher-ng saves me so much downloads when updateing my 3 9.10 pc's :)16:47
mbeierlthere's an ng?16:49
cezartDr_Willis: 3pcs with 9.10 ?16:49
Dr_Williscezart:  yep. 1 laptop 2 desktops. one old one new...16:50
mbeierlquestion: didn't there used to be a way in emerald theme manager to add svn repos?  Do I really have to import themes ONE AT A TIME now?!?16:50
Dr_Willisold one is basically a fileserver.. but i rarely even turn it on16:50
Dr_Willismbeierl:  yea. that got removed some time ago.16:50
cezartDr_Willis: you dont like your data i see ;P16:50
Dr_Willismbeierl:  i dont even think the svn repos work any more.16:50
mbeierlDr_Willis: can even multi import anymore...  there's https://svn.generation.no/emerald-themes/16:51
Dr_Williscezart:  its my video server mainly. as i said. its wassent even hooked up for months.16:51
Dr_Willismbeierl:  as far as im concerned emerald seems to be basicaly dieing.16:51
Dr_WillisNo one seems to care much for it  these days.16:51
mbeierlDr_Willis: oh?  what's the replacement then?16:52
Dr_Willismbeierl:  theres  the normal gnome  decorator that  people normally usse16:52
cezartDr_Willis: i personaly would wait for stable with updating all of machines ;)16:52
Dr_Williscezart:  its not going to matter to me at all.16:52
mbeierlDr_Willis: that just seems so ... limited :)16:53
Dr_Willismbeierl:  i always found emerald a bit lacking...16:53
TeLeanyone having problems with flashplayer installer working in firefox?16:53
Dr_Willisi just toyed with it.16:53
Dr_WillisTeLe:  i jusst use the ubuntu-restricted-extras package to install flash. what do you mean by 'flash player installer' ?16:53
TeLeflash will install correctly but it wont show up in firefox16:54
TeLeworks fine in opera16:55
Dr_Willisdid you use flash from the repos? or flash from the flash web site?16:55
TeLerepo16:56
Dr_Williswhat url is giveing you problems? i cqan test here in firefox and Chromoum16:58
TeLeabout:plugins wont load flashplayer16:59
quentusrexHow is the release going?17:00
Dr_Willisworking deently well on my 3 machines17:01
quentusrexI'm waiting so I can get rid of the notify-applet/dbus-daemon/X11 huge cpu usage bug...17:02
Dr_Willisflash player seems to keep crashing.. of course...17:03
Dr_Willisflash seems to be consistantly in the top 5 Problems.17:03
quentusrexyeah, that is in 9.04 too17:03
quentusrexyup.17:03
quentusrexis there a page with the top X number of bugs in a release?17:03
AzaThtshutting down now, lets see if keyboard works in gdm on monday17:03
Dr_Willishttp://www.rathergood.com/fruit17:04
Dr_Willisplayed once.. then flash crashed so bad. it wouldent play again.17:04
Dr_Willishad to close/restart firefox17:04
werfactin list view, the multiple highlighting doesnt work17:04
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Dr_Williswerfact:  what do you mean.17:05
werfactDr_Willis, when you left click, hold and drag17:05
werfacton an empty space, not an item or folder17:06
Dr_Willisi normally just use shift and ctrl..17:06
Dr_Willisfinding an EMPTY space in list view is normally the issue i find17:06
werfactwell, im just saying, it doesnt work17:06
werfacti guess it's a gnome feature?17:08
Dr_WillisI dont even recall ever usingit in 9.04    But i may just never tried.17:08
werfactDr_Willis, you never select multiple items with a mouse?17:09
Dr_Willisi use shift or ctrl when in list view normally17:09
Dr_Willisfinding a empty place/blank in list view  has always been a bit of a pain17:10
werfactDr_Willis, lol, thats because you have to17:10
Dr_Williseven getting the context mmenu in list view can be a pain17:10
Dr_WillisHmm.. someone in here the toehr day was complaing about buttons like 'play' not working in some flash videos..  well right clicking and doing 'play' worked. :)17:18
Dr_WillisNot perfect i guess.. heh17:18
Dr_Williseven in Chromium i got the issue..  Now to test the issue in Opera17:18
Dr_Willishttp://www.rathergood.com/ninja17:18
h00kDr_Willis: also, spacebar is common to start/stop17:20
platiusDr_Willis, http://www.rathergood.com/fruit  plays over and over w/no probs, firefox, goolgechrome. but othr flash sites have probs 4 me. 64bit 9.1017:22
Dr_WillisI think many 'flash' problems these days are web sites doing weird stuff with flash...17:23
h00kI basically still think flash needs to die :)17:23
Dr_WillisHuluplayer works for me (its using flash) but if often goofs up  after the 2nd comercial break and cant start the video again17:23
Dr_Willis'Flash Must Die'17:23
Dr_WillisI agree17:23
Dr_WillisIts slowly becoming what java was ment to become. and doing it worse17:24
h00kjava was meant to be a video player?17:24
Dr_Willisjava was ment to be a 'run anywhere' language.17:24
cpjr72hey, for those with flash issues.. the one I got from using the software center was giving me those issues, like not being able to click anything in the flash window (youtube and such)..  so I googled and found this http://my.opera.com/titzesan/blog/2009/10/06/ubuntu-9-10-64bit-flash-player-10-installation17:25
Dr_Willisto do all sorts of things. flash just keeps getting more and more features making it more of a Language  like jave was from the betinning17:25
cpjr72he installs it manually from a directy download from adobe17:25
Dr_Williscpjr72:  yea. thats a possible fix. but really not a fix thats going to get put into the official release.17:26
Dr_Willisi cant even get flash to crash consistantly17:26
cpjr72Dr_Willis, well bro is flash part of the distro?  I had to DL it manually.. its a browser plugin17:26
Dr_Willisit now has plaued the same flash 4 times17:26
Dr_Williscpjr72:  its  handled by a script.. so  to do it that way would require 'changeing; the default flash installer script17:27
Dr_Willisid rather see them actually INCLUDE flash on the cd.17:27
Dr_Willisbut theres 'legal' issues i guess with that17:27
cpjr72windows doesn't even include it17:27
Dr_Willissome linux disrtos do.17:27
Dr_Willisat one time windows did i think.. and at one time windows included java also17:28
cpjr72and does that make it work 100%?17:28
cpjr72heck, I dont even think there is a 64 bit version of flash for windows yet lol17:28
Dr_Willis100% and 'flash'  should NEVER be used in the same sentance.17:28
Dr_Willis:)17:28
ActionParsnipflash is 100% frustrating?17:28
cpjr72I'm happy to see after 10 version 10.1 is supposedly going to utilize GPU hardware decoding (so say the nvidia web site)17:29
jemarkActionParsnip, 100% CPU usage maybe ;)17:29
Dr_Willis200% if on dual core17:29
ActionParsniphaha17:30
maurer_How do I make a network connection stay active even when I am not logged in?17:30
Dr_Willismaurer_:  we are going to have to assume youmean 'wireless' ?17:31
maurer_Dr_Willis: Yes.17:31
* Dr_Willis has no clue on wireless.17:31
ActionParsnipDr_Willis: mine only hits 50% on my 1.6Ghz AM2 Semperon17:31
maurer_Dr_Willis: The intention is to use krb5 auth first, then fall back on regular auth, but I can't get the computer to have net access when at the login screen.17:31
jemarkActionParsnip, congrats17:32
ActionParsnipfirefox 3.7 with alpha 64bit flash on karmic, works fine17:32
ActionParsnipoh and 2Gb DDR2 667Mhz17:33
* Dr_Willis waits for service pack 1 for firefox17:34
Dr_Willis:P17:34
nick125maurer_: Perhaps use wicd rather than NM17:34
cpjr72kinda depressing ubuntu using like 500mb of my 4GB of ram, windows would suck atleast 2GB out of it :/17:34
Dr_Willis2? heh.. more like 7 :)17:35
Dr_Willisboot up windows.. check stats.. swap allready in ussage....17:35
nick125cpjr72: Ubuntu is probably using the other 3.5GB for cache, so it's not going to waste ;-)17:35
nick125Speaking of waste....I have to boot up the Vista VM today......17:36
jemarkcpjr72, that's why I have only 1GB17:36
nick125Let's see...Vista is using 1GB of RAM (out of 1.5GB) and 700MB of paging file. Yay.17:36
cpjr72jemark, once I bought 4gb I feel compelled to be a test rat for all these 64 bit OSes17:37
Dr_Willisso its using a paging file.. befor ram is even used. :)17:37
cpjr72its not the 64 OS that sucks, its the lack of software lol17:37
Dr_Willislack? Hmm17:37
Dr_Willisnever noticed..17:37
nick125cpjr72: Want to have fun? Install XP x64.17:37
cpjr72well, for windows.. hardly anything is running in 64 bit17:37
Dr_WillisOther then 'zsnes' i  find everything i have that need is 64bit now17:37
* Dr_Willis waits for Dos6417:38
ActionParsnipDr_Willis: compile zsnes, its ot hard17:38
ActionParsnipnot17:38
nick125You'll desire for the small issues in Ubuntu 64.....I mean, a problem with Flash beats the installer BSODing like XPx64 does :)17:38
jemarkcpjr72, i see, that's still use 32 bit...17:38
Dr_WillisActionParsnip:  its using inline 32 assembly code  I think is the reason for the issues.. not sure if it is that simple to just recompile ..  but i use snes9x these days17:39
nick125Oh sorry, that isn't the BSOD...that's the Welcome screen. Guess they want you to get used to it early on...heh.17:39
cpjr72I had got flogged on a forum once for saying how lame it was to be forced to run 32 bit browser cause company's can recompile their stuff for 64 bit17:39
cpjr72cant*17:39
tntcI've been tempted to run Karmic on my netbook, but I have one stumbling block: In Win7, when I use the touchscreen, the pointer changes, and when I tap and hold to right click, it does this neat little circle around the pointer so I know it's detecting the right click and such.  Is there any way to do that in ubuntu?17:39
Dr_Williscpjr72:  in theory if they write the code right.. they sould be able to do just that. :)17:39
iokaguys what command should I type in order to make privoxy startup application.I type "/etc/init.d/privoxy start" and it does not work17:40
iamlenekothe upgrading last minute is pretty long17:40
iokamaybe with sudo17:40
Dr_Willis$ sudo update-rc.d privoxy  defaults17:42
Dr_Willisbut it should allready be there if it got installed.17:42
Dr_Willis$ ls -l /etc/rc2.d/S20privoxy17:43
Dr_Willis/etc/rc2.d/S20privoxy -> ../init.d/privoxy17:43
* Dr_Willis finds privoxy breaks too many web sites.17:43
Dr_Willisbut tahts proberly due to the cookie 'cleaning' feature17:43
iokaI do not understand what you are saying.i need to update privoxy?17:44
iokawhat should I type in order to make it autostart application17:45
jimlovell777I'm having a few issues with Karmic, my speakers crackle when I have sound muted, my speakers pop everytime I mute/unmute and boot, when using the compact view in Nautilus if I click a file with a long name it moves my cursor to the middle of the name which is very annoying, empathy keeps saying network error with MSN accounts with a known good account and password and lastly when my screen locks due to timeout or ctrl+alt+l my laptop17:45
jimlovell777screen will not go back to 100% brightness unless I reboot. Any suggestions?17:45
j0nrhi all... I have firstly a simple question... when I open a terminal, it dfaults to / for cwd, not my home.. how can i restore the action i am used to of starting in my home directory17:45
nick125j0nr: CAn you cd to ~?17:46
j0nryes17:46
nick125What terminal? Gnome Terminal?17:46
mersaultis there any way to combine contacts that appear on more than one network in empathy?17:47
j0nryeah nick12517:47
iokanoone wants to help:(17:50
ActionParsnip!startup | ioka17:52
ubottuioka: To add programs to start up when you log into your Gnome session go to System>Preferences>Sessions and use the Startup Programs tab. For more information, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingProgramToSessionStartup - See !boot for starting non-interactive programs at boot17:52
iokathis is right without the most important thing.What do i have to type as a start command17:53
[31d1]_ubottu is out of date17:53
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about is out of date17:53
ActionParsnipioka: start command for what?17:53
iokafor privoxy17:53
[31d1]_System->Preferences->Startup Applications17:53
iokato start the application17:54
iokait is not listed there17:54
iokai always start it in terminal /etc/init.d/privoxy start17:54
iokabut this line does not start it when I type it as a start command in add window17:54
rob0See !boot for starting non-interactive programs at boot17:55
ioka!boot17:55
ubottuBoot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto17:55
ActionParsnipioka: you could put it in /etc/rc.local17:56
rob0I'm pretty sure that update-rc.d is a better solution.17:57
ActionParsniprob0: achieves the same end17:57
rob0Not quite. update-rc.d keeps it managed by the OS frontends, whereas rc.local is not, and can lead to more difficult troubleshooting later.17:59
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douweHi, I'm trying the karmic beta and I have a strange problem with my internet connection. Can someone help me?18:00
douweThe problem is, that when browsing websites, the page will start loading, but network connectivity will drop to almost 0 quickly after. Weirdly, when downloading packages in synaptic, the problem does not occur (and IRC is working no problem). any ideas on this?18:01
timothypHello, I just installed ubuntu netbook remix 9.10 on an eeepc, just like all the previous versions and eeebuntu the SD card does not load automatically. when I insert it /var/log/messages indicates sb1 , when I try to mount it it claims there is no such device18:02
iokathis is kind of complicated thing.anyway.I have another question .I see ! in a cloud left from network manager icon.It says disconnected.What is that18:03
iokait is ubuntu one.What is ubuntu one?18:03
Dr_Willisan online-storage feature ioka18:04
stperea cloud storage service18:04
* Dr_Willis finds the term 'cloud' to be yet another buzzword. :)18:04
iokastorage for who?18:04
Dr_Willisioka:  for you18:04
stpereDr_Willis: it is18:04
Dr_Willisioka:  2gb of free space I think18:04
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iokaonline storages a paid usually.18:04
stpereioka: you can pay to have 50GB18:05
Dr_Willisioka:  as i said 2gb FREE18:05
stperebut the basic plan is free18:05
iokareally?18:05
stperereally18:05
stpereI use it right now18:05
Dr_Willisorly!18:05
Dr_WillisIt seem to be a little flakely lately. i cant connect right now18:05
douweanyone with thoughts on my connectivity problem?18:06
iokaI guess I have to make an account in one.ubuntu.com18:06
Dr_Willisyes you do18:08
iokait says connecting when I open ubuntu one file sharing18:08
iokabut this is all18:09
maurer_wicd doesn't seem to like my wifi :/18:10
Dr_Willismaurer_:  its possible to configure/connect wireless from the command line also.18:11
Dr_Willisbut ive not done that in ages18:11
maurer_Dr_Willis: Yes, and I have done that in the past. I'm starting to think that a cron job that checks if the wifi's connected, and reconnects if it's dead every five minutes might be the way to go.18:11
Dr_Willisubuntu one has been wanting to connect me properly for ages.18:11
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* Dr_Willis thinks UbuntuOne needs work. :)18:13
Dr_Willisbut its a nifty idea18:13
Dr_WillisCool. Tomboy Notes can also sync to UbuntuOne18:15
iokais there a gui for fax sending in ubuntu?18:18
Dr_Willischeck the package manager for  fax. I recall there being some. but ive never used any18:18
Dr_Willis!fax18:18
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about fax18:18
j0nranother issue i have on one pc is that X keeps rendomnly restarting18:18
iokaok18:19
JoshuaLwhen i use the default mediaplayer in karmic and make it fullscreen the top panel stays visible.18:19
Dr_Willis!info efax18:19
ubottuefax (source: efax): programs to send and receive fax messages. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.9a-19 (karmic), package size 107 kB, installed size 300 kB18:19
BookmanI am trying to upgrade via alternative usb thumbdrive but I get the following error http://pastebin.ca/162391618:19
iokaIn order any application that i have compiled from source and installed to be listed in installed software and to be able to remove it with apt-get uninstall , it has to be a .deb package.So if I make a .deb package with checkinstall will that work, so after I install the application , it should be listed in installed software in ubuntu software center.Is that right?18:22
ActionParsnipioka: yes only packages installed via debs are shown, binarys which are installed with sudo make install    will not appear18:25
joaopintoioka, that is why you should use checkinstall18:27
joaopinto!checkinstall | ioka18:27
ubottuioka: checkinstall is a wrapper to "make install", useful for installing programs you compiled. It will create a .deb package, which will be listed in the APT database and can be uninstalled like other packages. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckInstall - Read the warnings at the top and bottom of that web page, and DO NOT interrupt CheckInstall while it's running!18:27
iokaso in general after I have finished make and compiling then I use checkinstall.Is that right?18:28
rockrathello18:35
rockratsoundcard line-in port ain't working at all. please advise suitable drivers thanks18:36
mac_v!logs18:38
ubottuOfficial channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/18:38
douweHiI have an ethernet connection that works fine when installing packages etc, but for browsing the internet, it will try loading the webpage at first but stop quickly afterwards (download speed drops to >1 kb/s)18:40
Moteragent26Can someone help me, i am  in deep trouble with ubuntu 9.10!18:43
MrMadMoneyManquestion: If I install ubuntu 9.10 beta... will I need to do a dist upgrade to the 9.10 release.... or will normal apt updates bring me inline with the release?18:43
Berzerker-MrMadMoneyMan, you'll need to dist-upgrade, but that's no difference  with normal apt updates18:43
Pici!dist-upgrade | MrMadMoneyMan18:43
ubottuMrMadMoneyMan: A dist-upgrade will install new dependencies for packages already installed and may remove packages if they are no longer needed.18:43
PiciMoteragent26: Only if you ask a question.18:44
Moteragent26If i want to install it, it gets a terminal window (sort of) when i start it up, when the installing is done.18:44
Moteragent26Sorry for my english/american, i am dutch :P18:44
MrMadMoneyManBerzerker:  So it will just be an "apt-get dist-upgrade"  and I wont like need to change my apt sources or anything18:45
joaopinto!final | MrMadMoneyMan18:45
ubottuMrMadMoneyMan: If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic Koala) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Karmic. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.18:45
PiciMrMadMoneyMan: You shouldnt ever need to manually change your sources.list file18:46
Berzerker-MrMadMoneyMan, yup.18:46
PiciMoteragent26: Does the screen say anything?18:46
joaopinto!upgrading | MrMadMoneyMan18:46
ubottuMrMadMoneyMan: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading18:46
Berzerker-Pici, the regular servers have been running slow, I've switched to the MIT servers.18:46
Moteragent26Hese saying "starting up" and "login" and "password"18:47
tzangerhmm18:47
PiciBerzerker-: I mean the proper way of upgrading is to use update-manager or do-release-upgrade, never changing jaunty to karmic, etc.18:47
Moteragent26such as that things..18:47
Berzerker-Pici, oh I see.18:47
tzangerI'm trying to report a bug in knetworkmanager and it's insisting I'm talking about plasma-widget-networkmanager... ps ax clearly shows knetworkmanager and I used ubuntu-bug on the pid of knetworkmanager... is this knetworkmanager or plasma-widget-networkmanager??18:48
PiciMoteragent26: Is this an upgrade? What variant of Ubuntu did you install if not?18:48
Moteragent26i typt in in de alt+f2 keys "update-manager -d" when i am in 9.04, so the site has sayd.18:49
Moteragent26And ik whas a install for karmic koals (9.10).18:49
Moteragent26koala *18:49
Moteragent26So?18:50
joaopintoMoteragent26, you understand that karmic is still beta right ?18:50
mersaultIs there a way to combine multiple appearances of the same contact in empathy?18:50
Moteragent26Yes i am, but i have installed it 5 times, and still the same thing...18:50
joaopintoMoteragent26, what same thing ?18:52
Moteragent26And my monitor flikerd too.18:52
Moteragent26everytime i try to install it...18:52
rockratMoteragent26: exactly, blinking display. i had the same problem.18:53
joaopintoMoteragent26, if you don't file a bug report or research on the problem, reinstalling will not help18:53
Moteragent26sorry, but i am not that good with computers, so i dant gonna mess with files and such that things...18:53
Moteragent26dont18:53
Moteragent26rockrat, is your screen good now?18:54
rockratMoteragent26: my problem was solved by un-installing nvidia drivers 185 and re-installing nvidia 17318:54
rockratMoteragent26: yup18:54
Moteragent26Ok, and now its working?18:54
rockratMoteragent26: i installed nvidia drivers since my gpu is from nvidia18:54
Moteragent26So, all i have to do, is install nvidia drivers, vor ubuntu (.deb)?18:55
rockratMoteragent26: yes, it is.18:55
rockratMoteragent26: what is your gpu.18:55
Moteragent26And them my screen will work, and i can log in with a log in screen.18:55
Moteragent26Ten18:55
rockratMoteragent26: is it from nvidia ?18:55
Moteragent26then18:55
Moteragent26Ans i dant know, where do you can find it?18:56
rockratwait18:56
tzangerhmm18:56
rockratlspci -vv -n18:56
tzangeris there a way to have a "fake" network connection in knetworkmanager18:56
tzangersome apps are too smart for their own good and will refuse to even try to connect if networkmanager says there isn't a connection up18:57
Moteragent26and that in alt+f2?18:57
Moteragent26???18:57
rockratMoteragent26: yes in console18:57
rockratMoteragent26: is it blinking ?18:57
Moteragent26i havent start it up yet.18:57
rockratMoteragent26: are you using virutalbox or so ?18:58
Moteragent26a am not super fast or somthing..18:58
Moteragent26it is gonna run.18:58
Moteragent26i think.18:58
rockratMoteragent26: oh than you need to install guest additions18:58
rockratMoteragent26: install GA18:58
Moteragent26i used it with alt+f2 that good right?18:58
Moteragent26i am, on the live CD now, so i dont now if everyting is working, but i dont seen anything...18:59
bluefox83ok, google gadgets (installed from the repo) keeps crashing, it only starts briefly and then crashes, anyone know how i can debug to find out why it's crashing?19:00
rockratMoteragent26: are you using Virtual Machine ?19:00
Moteragent26I dant now, nothing gonna start up or sompthing.19:00
Moteragent26I dont know what i am using.19:00
Moteragent26but i can see it in system settings i thing.19:01
Moteragent26(i hope)19:01
rockratMoteragent26: you using live cd and your screen blinks ?19:02
Moteragent26The live CD is still of 8.10, so its old. :)19:02
Moteragent26But by screen dont blinks.19:02
Moteragent26My sound card is: SIS966 if you wanna know :)19:03
rockratMoteragent26: ok. sorry my mistake, i miss took flickering = blinking. which is flickering < > blinking. my appologoize19:04
Moteragent26:O19:04
bluefox83what would you folks suggest i use to debug a software crash?19:04
Moteragent26So, i am back on start again...19:05
Moteragent26Lovely...19:05
rockratMoteragent26: you are experiencing flicker because of ur refresh rate.19:06
Moteragent26And what am i gonna do, so it wil stop...19:06
rockratMoteragent26: are you using safe-graphic mode ?19:06
Moteragent26Ans how do i get a log in screen, and my old things and so...19:06
Moteragent26But i dont know that, i dont think so..19:07
rockratMoteragent26: ctrl+alt+f119:07
rockratMoteragent26: it will throw your session to console mode19:08
rockratMoteragent26: from there you can reboot with safe-graphic mode19:08
rockratMoteragent26: or sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart19:09
bluefox83you guys aren't being very helpful >.>19:13
joaopinto!patience | bluefox8319:13
ubottubluefox83: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search  https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org while you wait.19:13
bluefox83i know...you don't know the answer, which isn't very helpful19:13
bluefox83i understand that if no one knows they wont answer :P19:13
bluefox83i am just surprised no one knew how to debug a piice of software19:14
bluefox83*piece19:14
bluefox83brb19:15
rockratso anyone know how to compile drivers for sound card es137119:16
Moteragent26So what command i had to type, i dont get it at all...19:16
Moteragent26???19:17
rockratMoteragent26: what command ?19:17
Moteragent26if i do alt+ctrl+f1 i must typ a command, and i dont get there alife back...19:17
CShadowRunHi, upgraded to karmic, missing icons in my applications menu, any way to fix it?19:17
iokain keyboard layouts there is a button apply system-wide... .What is this for.I clicked it it wants me to type my password and then nothing happens19:17
Moteragent26i am now on 8.1019:18
Moteragent26because i had to install it again 6 times...19:18
Moteragent26So...19:18
rockratMoteragent26: briefly explain plz19:19
[GuS]Hi guys... i am having this problem when try to run Amarok (and other KDE apps) in karmic: http://pastebin.com/m2d319c7919:19
[GuS]any idea?19:20
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Moteragent26i am now on VERSION 8.10, Yes?19:20
Moteragent26So i did do ctrl+alt+f1 just as you said19:20
Moteragent26but19:20
Moteragent26i gat a black screen with a line to type somthing,19:20
Moteragent26when i did that almost al codes are wrong19:20
Moteragent26with code i have to use?19:20
CShadowRunMoteragent26, maybe you mean 9.10, this channel is about 9.10, 8.10 was last years release19:21
Moteragent26I know, but i have installed it 6 times today...19:21
jrgpdang19:21
CShadowRun(the version numbers are the release dates, 9.10, october 2009, 8.10, october 2008 :P19:21
CShadowRunMoteragent26, as for the broken tty's it's a known bug i think it's something to do with usplash19:22
Moteragent26but my screen flickers(on 9.10), and i diddent get a login screen or sompthing, so i had to install 8.10 again, and again, and again, and again...19:23
Moteragent26so, help is welcome :-X19:24
Moteragent26Anyone?19:25
rockratMoteragent26: when you start with live cd, first screen presented is to select language and after that19:25
Moteragent26Yes.19:25
Mentis#kubuntu+119:25
rockratMoteragent26: a screen to choose from option like install or just run system to check19:26
octodurdamn 9.10 is awsome upgrade from previous19:26
Moteragent26Its the live CD of 8.10, you know that?19:26
octodurevery hour new upgrades as well hehe19:26
Trizicusi just up dated ubuntu and it said grub2 was installed however upon boot it is listed as grub 1.97 beta so.... what do I do to use grub2?19:26
Moteragent26but go on...19:26
rockratMoteragent26: if you press F4 key i think, you will be presented with vga option, where you can choose safe graphic mode19:26
Moteragent26must i choose that one?19:26
sebsebsebhi19:27
Moteragent26Is my problem then fixed?19:27
del_diabloOut of curiosity, is there any way to create a boot up CD that installs just what i want it to? Not barebone(minimal install) CD, but a easy way to avoid doing the apt-get part?19:27
rockratMoteragent26: well, thats what i know. but you can search for other options.19:27
Moteragent26I wil look, thanks.19:27
MentisHi all.  Every time i login kwin crash repport appears, but kwin itself works. How i can get rid of this?19:27
rockratMoteragent26: or even edit boot option19:27
Moteragent26bye everyone :P19:27
IdleOne!remaster | del_diablo also see !clone19:28
ubottudel_diablo also see !clone: Interested in remastering the Ubuntu !live CD? See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization or use tools such as http://uck.sourceforge.net/ or http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/DRU_Disc_Remastering_Utility19:28
octoduranyone experiencing problems with ubuntuOne ?19:28
[GuS]Hi guys... i am having this problem when try to run Amarok (and other KDE apps) in karmic: http://pastebin.com/m2d319c79 Any idea?19:28
Trizicusi just up dated ubuntu and it said grub2 was installed however upon boot it is listed as grub 1.97 beta so.... what do I do to use grub2?19:29
rockratsoundcard line-in port ain't working et'al. please advise19:29
del_diabloIdleOne:  thanks :P19:29
topylioctodur, so far i've had nothing but problems with it19:30
octodurtopyli: i cant get passt the button where im logging in to launchpad19:30
topylioctodur, there may be happier stories of course, but mine is full of sorrow :)19:31
del_diabloIdleOne:  Is there any way of doing it under Winsuxzor?19:31
octoduri login with username and pass but get returned to the same page again19:31
octodurtopyli: hehehe19:31
topylioctodur, join #ubuntuone19:31
octoduracha thx19:31
IdleOnedel_diablo: you mean Windows? I don't know ask in ##windows19:31
del_diabloIdleOne: How would they know?19:32
IdleOnedel_diablo: I thought you meant remastering a windows install.....I am not sure if there are tools in windows that allow you to remaster a linux install cd. but you could use the Ubuntu live cd I assume19:33
webbb83was there a big update today19:33
CShadowRunI miss my icons in my applications menu, any way to get them back? :(19:33
IdleOnedel_diablo: those links ubottu gave you probably have a lot more info19:33
del_diabloIdleOne: They did not, only debian based can modify unless you wanted a cli tool(which i avoid since most of them got documentation trouble)19:34
firdau5zx19:34
topyliCShadowRun, appearance - the interface tab - tick "show icons in menus"19:35
CShadowRunhaha, they switched the icons off? :(19:35
CShadowRunthat's so horrible :P19:35
topylithey did19:35
CShadowRunI just found it on a forum as you said, apparently it's "less cluttered"19:35
CShadowRunbut they didn't remove the space in which the icons appear, so it's silly not to have them19:36
topyliCShadowRun, it's not horrible. it makes menus faster because they don't need to cache the icons all the time19:36
CShadowRuni guess19:36
rockratCShadowRun: did you try Change Background >> Interface >> Show Icons in Menus19:36
CShadowRunrockrat, yup, topyli just said :)19:36
rockrat:)19:36
topylii like icons too and i enabled them :)19:37
* bluefox83 wonders why he always seems to have trouble with google-gadgets D:19:38
rockratCShadowRun: try moving your menus file to tmp location. logout and login. this trick told by someone in this channel worked for me to get back menu list19:38
CShadowRunrockrat, it's working :)19:39
rockratlocate menu | less19:41
rockratoops19:41
rockrat:)19:41
joseantoniordlmcwhois mzz19:48
TrizicusHow can I be sure I am using Grub2?19:52
TrizicusI just updated and rebooted and noticed it's 1.97 beta19:52
joseantoniordlmcme too19:53
joseantoniordlmci tried to upgrade to grub2 but doesn't work19:53
Trizicusmaybe i'm using grub2 but dont realize it lol19:54
sebsebsebI think maybe Grub 1 is19:54
sebsebsebthe 0. whatever numbers19:54
sebsebseband really  1.  anything is Grub 219:54
sebsebsebafter all  partitions and hard disks  start on 0  when it comes to Grub19:55
Trizicuswell i've weined myself off of windows officially tbh19:56
giangioI did it some years ago... no regret I've also Virtualbox :)19:56
Heikki123hello20:01
Heikki123i somehow broke my wlan. i tried to share my internet with wlan, and now it doesn't work at all.20:02
Heikki123i only used the graphical program20:02
Heikki123and now i can't connect to any wlan network20:02
bluefox83Heikki123, then you need to remove the entry you made to share it...20:02
Heikki123i have removed it already20:03
bluefox83and restore your original setting20:03
Heikki123how do i restore default settings?20:03
arvind_khadrihi, i have an issue here, what happens is that i receive mail only when mail is being CC'ed to a different inbox\20:03
bluefox83really, i don't know how to do it without having made a backup of the file first >.>20:03
Heikki123:) in what file are the settings?20:04
arvind_khadrilike the mail is not being delivered to evolution, until its cc'ed20:04
bluefox83uhm, you might check /etc/network/interfaces20:04
Heikki123only 2 lines there: auto lo20:05
Heikki123iface lo inet loopback20:05
Heikki123and if i remember correctly, there has never ben anything related to wlan20:05
bluefox83hrm20:06
bluefox83i forget where that is stored20:06
del_diabloLet me guess, the only "sane" way of modifying under Windows involves a VM and lots of waisted disk space?20:09
arvind_khadrianyone sees what i see??20:09
del_diabloAnd yes, its modifyin Ubuntu20:09
arvind_khadrior does anyone knows how to solve it??20:09
del_diabloarvind_khadri: what do you se?20:09
bluefox83i hope that once 9.10 gets released, it'll be more stable20:10
bluefox83who do we talk to about getting updated versions of software added to the repositories?20:11
bluefox83the current version of google-gadgets in the x64 repo is old and has a serious bug in it, the google people say the version in the repo is out dated and needs to be replaced with an earlier version20:11
del_diablobluefox83: its not doeable, if your hardware allows it then jump over to Archlinux since its the only "updated" distro.20:11
del_diablobluefox83: Does getdeb have it? Then add that repos, its the only option :(20:12
bluefox83what's not doable?20:12
bluefox83i'd compile it from source if i could >.>20:13
arandIt is doable indeed, if it has not been donem request it to be excepted from current freeze/backported20:13
vega-_bluefox83: http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/google-gadgets-common20:13
bluefox83but for some reason i get an error when i try20:13
del_diabloIs the only "sane"(non troublesome) way of modifying under Windows involves a VM and lots of waisted disk space?20:13
del_diablobluefox83: Ubuntu being updated. Source compiling is ages more updated <.<20:13
bluefox83vega-_, that's the old version20:14
bluefox83they are up to a higher version now20:14
vega-_bluefox83: yes, but there you find how to contact maintainers20:14
vega-_bluefox83: to make it short, file a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/google-gadgets/+filebug20:14
bluefox83oh!20:14
bluefox83thanks :)20:14
romhi20:15
BUGabundohey fellows20:15
romthe scroll on the sound applet change the volume very slowly in karmic20:15
romcompared to previous version20:15
romI have to scroll about 30 times to move from 100% to 0%20:15
filgyeverytime i reboot with current updates, my sound is always turned all the way down/muted20:15
del_diabloIs the only "sane"(non troublesome) way of modifying Ubuntu under Windows involves a VM and lots of waisted disk space?20:15
vega-_del_diablo: what do you mean "modifying" ?20:16
arandfilgy: that has been reported numerous times, have a look at launchpad and see what the status of the bug for that is20:16
arvind_khadridel_diablo, that i dont receive emails when directly sent to the account in evolution, but i get the mail when CC'ed to gmail20:17
filgyarvind_khadri: is your incoming mail server pop or imap or what?20:17
arvind_khadrifilgy, pop20:18
filgyarvind_khadri: you're positive it is setup correctly ?20:18
arvind_khadrifilgy, yes20:18
filgyarvind_khadri: who maintains the pop server ?20:18
arvind_khadrifilgy, is it possible to enter port numbers??20:18
Heikki123do you people (who has a wlan connection) have anything in /etc/networks/networking -file20:18
Heikki123sorrry20:19
Heikki123i mean /etc/network/interfaces20:19
vega-_Heikki123: yes, although i have a static ip address and wpa2/aes that networkmanager can't handle20:19
del_diablovega-_: As in modifing a minimal install to what i call a minimal dekstop. Installing the core ubuntu is a mess to purge out every single piece of trash that gets dragged in, and i am really tired of bullshit minimal installs. What i want by modifying is to create what i want to install, before installing it.20:19
del_diabloarvind_khadri: File a bug report to the evolution team? After doing some minimal reasearch.20:19
filgyarvind_khadri: you should be able to but if it is using the default port 110 you won't need to20:19
del_diabloHeikki123: nope20:19
vega-_and also, networkmanager is not good enough yet imho20:19
arvind_khadrifilgy, i dont know...no idea...20:19
del_diabloHeikki123: Depends on what you use for network manager20:19
arvind_khadrifilgy, where do i check it, if i want to??20:19
Heikki123the default for 9.10 beta20:20
filgyarvind_khadri: well what is your email address? is you provided by your internet providers, your work, who?20:20
arvind_khadrifilgy, its my dad's actually... work20:20
Heikki123lol, the name is translated to finnish... "Verkon hallinta -sovelma 0.7.996"20:20
filgyarvind_khadri: are you sure his work is not having problems with the pop server? if they have a webmail interface try logging into that and see if the emails appear in there20:20
Heikki123network manager20:20
Heikki123i will switch to english, it might help a bit20:21
arvind_khadrifilgy, ok, checking, if they have one, back in a moment20:21
vega-_yea well, translations usually suck.. you will never get 100% anyhow20:21
del_diabloIs the only "sane"(non troublesome) way of "modifying"(the install) Ubuntu under Windows involves a VM and lots of waisted disk space?20:23
BUGabundoaren't we on Archive Freeze?20:24
BUGabundohow am I get so many updates20:24
vega-_del_diablo: still not sure what you are trying to accomplish, why not just install server and then necessary stuff after that?20:24
del_diablovega-_: !!!!!!!!!20:24
arvind_khadrifilgy, the webmail interface shows nothing20:24
vega-_and under windows.. no idea20:24
filgydel_diablo: are you trying to modify an existing installation?20:25
filgyarvind_khadri: it's a problem with his companies mail server then20:25
del_diablovega-_: Its more like building more on top of a minimal install. Already got the alternativ on place since its the only option20:25
filgydel_diablo: if it is an existing install.. i don't think you will be able to boot it in a VM.. not sure though20:25
arvind_khadrifilgy, as far as i understand, there must be a copy of mails even in the webmail right??20:25
del_diablovega-_: And its not a install, its the install medium20:25
filgydel_diablo: unless maybe it was a wubi install20:25
filgyarvind_khadri: yes there should be a copy in the webmail.. depending on the server setup, webmail will not use the pop server at all.. so i'm guessing it is a problem with his companies smtp servers20:26
filgyarvind_khadri: either way it is definitely on the companies end and not ubuntu's20:27
arvind_khadrifilgy, :) i know, but how do i get it across them, all hardcore winblows fanatics they are20:27
del_diabloOk, reformulation of the question: I got a way of doing a minimal install, but i don't want to installing everything from the bottom. I want to set up a install medium so i can use what i actually use of a desktop, and just install that without the entire apt-get mess.20:27
filgyarvind_khadri: get it across them? you mean get the point across to them ?20:27
arvind_khadrifilgy, ya20:28
filgyarvind_khadri: explain that you logged into the webmail account, which resides on the companies mail server and stores nothing on the local computer, and the emails were still not there... that along with the fact another CC'd account is getting the emails indicates it is a problem with the company and not ubuntu20:29
filgydel_diablo: are you doing the minimal install through wubi or a normal install ?20:29
arvind_khadrifilgy, i now sent a mail to his account and can see the mail, i am seeing it through the webmail20:29
filgyarvind_khadri: try downloading it with evolution then.. maybe they fixed the problem20:29
arvind_khadrifilgy, ya checking20:30
filgyarvind_khadri: if it still doesn't show up in evolution.. refresh the webmail and see if it is still there or has disappeared20:30
del_diablofilgy: I am doing an install. A normal one. And  i want to set up a proper install medium. And i am sitting in Windows.20:30
filgydel_diablo: so you mean you want to make a custom install image?20:31
filgydel_diablo: a custom install image that has only the packages you want installed.. so then when you install it you will have everything you want and nothing you don't want without having to use the package manager or anything ?20:32
Dr_Willisubuntu is a little lacking compared to a few other distros at easally making a 'custome' setup   but its doable. :)20:32
del_diablofilgy: I could care less about what you call it. I want to set up a proper install, with what i use. Then i use the set up medium to install, then i got a working desktop.20:32
arvind_khadrifilgy, evolution couldnt fetch it, but now when i logged in webmail again, i cant see the mail20:33
filgyarvind_khadri: okay then it looks like it is actually a problem with evolution20:33
Dr_Willis!remaster20:33
arvind_khadrifilgy, thats sad, what do i do??20:33
ubottuInterested in remastering the Ubuntu !live CD? See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization or use tools such as http://uck.sourceforge.net/ or http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/DRU_Disc_Remastering_Utility20:33
filgydel_diablo: you really should care what i call it so people can understand what you want to do :)20:33
bulfaiterHi! I'm experiencing some issues with the notification system. The rounded rectangle where the notification should appear is shown, but the image inside is corrupted. Is it a known bug, and does it have any workaround?20:33
filgyarvind_khadri: I'd suggest installing another email client like kmail or sylpheed and set that up to see if you can receive email in that20:34
filgyarvind_khadri: then if you can receive with another mail client.. it will verify it is definitely evolution20:34
arvind_khadrifilgy, ya am thinking of using thunderbird20:34
del_diablofilgy: I could guess its called a "costum install image". Then tell me, how do i set it up?20:34
filgyarvind_khadri: try it out... personally i can't stand evolution20:34
filgy!remaster | del_diablo20:35
ubottudel_diablo: Interested in remastering the Ubuntu !live CD? See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization or use tools such as http://uck.sourceforge.net/ or http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/DRU_Disc_Remastering_Utility20:35
mbeierlbulfaiter: are you referring to the one with your username and when you click on it, it gives the shutdown/reboot, etc, messages?  Mine often shows with garbled background too20:35
arvind_khadrifilgy, is it known to be so buggy???20:35
filgyarvind_khadri: evolution has always been horribly buggy in my experience20:35
Heikki123i found a bug in ubuntu 9.10 :>20:35
CShadowRunHas anyone noticed when you have show_desktop disabled, you get forkbombed?20:35
bulfaiterno, the one which shows when rhythmbox starts a new song20:35
Dr_Willis!bug20:35
ubottuIf you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » If that fails, you can report bugs manually at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug - Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots20:35
filgyarvind_khadri: and i've tried it ever since it was released years ago20:35
* CShadowRun doesn't like being forkbombed :(20:35
arvind_khadrifilgy,  :) ohh, i have heard that thunderbird is great, what do you say about it>>20:36
del_diablofilgy: ..................................... please.................................. stop..................... acting................... like an ass. I have already looked at those. Somebody before linked to them. So my orginal question was: Do i need a VM to actually be able to do it, or not?20:36
bulfaitermbeierl: and, if I try to open gnome-do, the same corruption appears20:36
mbeierlfilgy and arvind_khadri: I second that.  Evo is pretending to be the ms outlook replacement - including bugs ;)20:36
filgydel_diablo: i'm not acting like an ass.. i'm trying to point you in the right direction.. i am not a hand holding service20:36
Dr_Willisdel_diablo:  i belive you don.  theres no 'web/other' tools ive seen to remaster ubuntu cd's yet.20:36
del_diabloDr_Willis: VM, yes or no?20:37
HoopyCatdel_diablo:  did you read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization , perhaps?  from my reading of it, which is admittedly a cursory scanning, the answer might be "you probably don't, but it will make life a lot easier"20:37
Dr_Willisdel_diablo:  ive seen other disrtos that have web-based front end/tools to let you pick alacarte whats to put on a custome iso20:37
arvind_khadrimbeierl, hahaha :)20:37
filgyarvind_khadri: i really like thunderbird... personally i prefer sylpheed or mutt but i am sure they are too lightweight for your father.. especially mutt ;p20:37
Dr_Willisyes a vm. Yes. those tools all run in linux20:37
arvind_khadrifilgy, mutt is more for the Debian types :)20:37
HoopyCatdel_diablo:  there's (approximately) nothing you can do in a virtual machine that you can't do on real hardware with more work20:37
Dr_Willisbut i last did this ages ago.. of course its easier to TEST the custom isos in a vm.,20:38
Heikki123if i report a bug with ubuntu-bug, do i need to log in to the page?20:38
Dr_Willisthats why i alwyas play with vm's20:38
del_diabloHoopyCat: Did you read my question? It was "Is the only "sane"(non troublesome) way of "modifying"(the install image of)  Ubuntu under Windows involves a VM and lots of waisted disk space?"20:38
filgyarvind_khadri: yea.. i would only suggest evolution if you need to connect to an exchange server.. since his is pop/smtp thunderbird should be great20:39
guntbertdel_diablo: keep polite please20:40
del_diabloHoopyCat: Yes or no?20:40
HoopyCatdel_diablo:  under windows?  well, you're going to have to run linux somehow and a VM is going to be the easiest way.20:40
Dr_WillisLogical to me..20:41
del_diabloHoopyCat: Thanks for at the least awsering me properly.20:41
HoopyCatdadgummit, another customer lost to slackware :-/20:41
Dr_WillisI dont think its much of a loss..20:41
Dr_Willisthe remaster directions are a little old...20:43
Dr_Williswhat was the other url.. lets see20:43
Dr_Willis!remaster20:43
ubottuInterested in remastering the Ubuntu !live CD? See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization or use tools such as http://uck.sourceforge.net/ or http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/DRU_Disc_Remastering_Utility20:43
filgyi love when users have a question that is vague and confusing.. then they get upset when you don't understand or ask questions to try to find out what they really want to do :)20:44
HoopyCatfilgy:  i demand, immediately, to know whether or not the knutsen ring on a chevrolet is refrobulable!20:44
HoopyCat</snark>  peace, love, ubuntu, and respect... peace, love, ubuntu, and respect... ok, better.20:45
Dr_WillisGo to your happy place....20:45
* Dr_Willis plays with 'uck'20:46
Dr_WillisFile /media/TorrentDownloads/ubuntu-9.10-beta-desktop-amd64.iso does not seem to be a valid ISO9660 image20:47
Dr_Willisor not........20:47
filgyHoopyCat: lol yea20:47
filgyDr_Willis: try mounting it ?20:47
Dr_WillisIt asked for the iso. (uck did) at least.20:47
Dr_Willisi wonder if it hasissues with the beta.. i dont have an older iso handy to test20:48
arvind_khadrifilgy, oh ok...20:48
ikthttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ffmpeg <- is 8.10 still accurate for 9.10?20:49
Dr_Willisthats over a year old.. so it might not be.20:50
Dr_WillisTry it and see? :)20:50
Dr_WillisTo be sure you have enter the correct format name, please run "ffmpeg -formats" to find the correct names (it seems they have changed).20:50
Dr_WillisE: Couldn't find package libavcodec-unstripped-5120:51
Dr_Willisso at least 1 is wrong. :)20:51
HoopyCat9.04 fails on step 1 due to a lack of libavcodec-unstripped-51, which has been superseded apparently by libavcodec-unstripped-5220:51
Dr_Willissudo apt-get install libavcodec-unstripped-52  libavdevice-unstripped-52  libavformat-unstripped-52 libavutil-unstripped-49 libpostproc-unstripped-51 libswscale-unstripped-020:52
Dr_Willistab completion showed me it was 52 :)20:52
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HoopyCatDr_Willis:  i consider bash-completion to be one of the greatest achievements of recent history20:53
Dr_Willisand ubuntu has managed to tweak it very very well.20:53
Dr_WillisNow if they would give us a decent propmt by default :)20:53
HoopyCattime for a post-it note on my monitor saying "Just Push <tab>"20:53
mbeierlHoopyCat: I'm just glad it works with spaces again :)20:54
Dr_Willissince that guide is a year+ old.. ffmpeg MIGHT have even more features now thats not mentioned in the command line options they give20:55
octodurman ubuntu owns this year!!20:55
octodurim seeing a big change in the coming future20:55
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filgyDr_Willis: what do you consider a decent prompt though? some people prefer nice and simple.. they don't want 2 lines with the date/time and 6 different colors and stuff :)20:55
HoopyCatDr_Willis:  eh, i'm ok with the prompt.  only mod i have is adding the current branch name to the prompt if i'm in a git repository20:56
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vega-_Dr_Willis: the default prompt is just fine, it's easy enough to customize your own20:56
filgyhas anyone been having pulseaudio start using a lot of cpu when no sound is being played ?20:57
oCtoduryes20:57
oCtodurthere is a fix for it20:57
timberhey, the command ALT+SHIFT+TAB doesn't work20:57
oCtodurremove the pulseaudio-alsa and install the other version20:57
filgyoCtodur: what's the other version?20:57
oCtodurdamnit gimi a min and i try to find the fix for u20:57
HoopyCatwho am i, what am i logged in to, where am i... anything more than that is clutter ;-)20:57
Dr_Willisvega-_:  yes, but i wants moar! :)20:57
oCtoduri had this problem yesterday and now its fixed20:57
filgyoCtodur: is this a karmic related bug? it worked fine in jaunty20:58
Dr_Willisthat ffmpeg guide is showing its age.. the options it gives.. many are no longer valid20:58
oCtodurit has to do with that i think, they use this package thats not fully good if u ask the guys thats having this problem20:58
oCtodurcpu at 100% load all the time and no sound in games20:58
filgyoCtodur: so is the solution to revert to an older pulseaudio-alsa pakcage or?20:59
oCtodurno u remove the alsa package and install the other one21:00
filgy!bug 43417121:01
oCtodurits the alsa that cant drop the SDL sound21:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 434171 in pulseaudio "Pulseaudio uses 100% CPU, doesn't respond to SIGTERM." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43417121:01
filgyI don't know if that is the same problem I'm having though exactly21:01
oCtodurfilgy: damnit im sorry i cant find the links i had yesterday, never though of saving them =(21:01
filgyi can kill the process fine21:01
Dr_Willisi think i at least got rid of the 'pop'ing of my sound right befor things play21:01
oCtodurno i know your problem its exactly as mine21:02
oCtodurlet me see bash history =)21:02
filgyoCtodur: but you're saying i just need a different pulseaudio-whatever package ?21:02
oCtoduryeps21:02
oCtodurits as easy as that21:02
oCtodur=)21:02
filgyis there a bug report somewhere about it ?21:02
oCtodurit is but as i told you all my links are gone now =(21:02
oCtoduri found the answer on google so its there just need the right keywords21:03
Dr_Willis'I found the answer on google'  :) i need that on a Tee Shirt21:03
oCtodursudo apt-get install libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio21:04
oCtodurlove the bash_history21:04
oCtodurthats what u need filgy21:04
janhouseCan I install ubuntu from live cd using terminal? Graphical installation fails.21:04
oCtodurjanhouse: did u try the safe graphics mode ?21:04
filgyoCtodur: so remove pulseaudio-alsa and isntall that ?21:04
jbeitlerjanhouse: you need the alternative CD21:04
filgyoCtodur: or just install that ?21:04
oCtodurfilgy: just run that command it apt will deal with all of it21:04
janhousedon't tell me that. Can I do it from standart desktop live cd21:04
oCtoduryou will need to uninstall a few libs if i remember correctly21:04
janhouseI can access live cd deskto21:05
janhouserun terminal, firefox, etc.21:05
oCtodurso install from there is not possible ?21:05
Dr_Willisjanhouse:  theres no cli installer on the desktop cd that i am aware of.21:05
janhouseI can't install ubuntu because after I complete installation wizard it closes without any errors21:05
filgyoCtodur: thanks.. what does it change? libsdl will use PA directly instead of alsa now?21:05
janhouseI have internet connection21:05
janhousecan  I download those files and copy them manually21:05
janhouseand install grub21:06
oCtodurfilgy: yes i belive so, very strange if u ask me for them to do this hehe21:06
oCtodurfilgy: but it will be fixed in the official release i think21:06
* arand is still worried about Bug #445067 21:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 445067 in ubiquity "ubiquity overwrites VBR of extended partition" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44506721:06
Dr_WillisMay be easier to just download a alternative instgaller cd/iso21:06
janhouseI am not an expert so I don't know how to do it. I am asking you. :)21:06
janhousethere must be some way21:06
oCtodurand no error ? thats weird21:06
oCtodurwhat does it say when u try to boot without cd ?21:07
oCtodurno bootloader or ? is grub running ?21:07
oCtodurif u installed there should be something there21:07
Dr_Willisjanhouse:  i would download and try the alterantive cd - it uses the text based installer.21:07
janhousenothing. it didn't even format my drive21:07
janhouseit fails when starting partitioner21:07
oCtodurhmm21:07
jbeitlerjanhouse: it might just be a bad burn21:07
janhouseDr_Willis, I can't burn it. No cd's left :D21:07
tgpraveenDr_Willis: do you have any pen drives lying around? a bug recently got fixed that pen drives and other hard drives should have different21:08
tgpraveenicons21:08
janhouseno, the burn is perfect21:08
Dr_Willisjanhouse:  this is why i use flash drives and unetbootin.21:08
del_diabloTools for accesing ext4 from Windows?(give me warnings about it may be unsafe, and i get mad)21:08
oCtodurim installing winxp and ubuntu from pendrives just as we speak =)21:08
janhouseaaand when I insert startup USB21:08
sebsebsebjanhouse: interesting  I was just replying to  the pm,  and  thinking you should maybe go here, and  ask stuff,   and here you are21:08
Dr_Willistgpraveen:  they do have different icons. i saw that today21:08
tgpraveenbut am still on jaunty so if you have a pen drive would be great if I could see a screenshot21:08
oCtodurdel_diablo:  are there tools for that yet ?21:08
tgpraveenyay!21:08
janhouseit freezes after SYSLINUX...21:08
janhouseboot:21:08
tgpraveenDr_Willis: I had filed that bug . screenshot please?21:08
oCtodurdel_diablo:  ive only found for ext3 and a very very beta for ext421:08
del_diablooCtodur: Where? And can it be used to write?21:09
oCtodurfilgy: pls get back to me if that stuff works21:09
filgycan't ext4 be accessed as ext3 ?21:09
oCtodurno21:09
del_diablofilgy: Not compitable21:09
oCtodurthats what i tried21:09
filgyi coulda sworn you could mount ext4 as ext321:09
filgymaybe i'm thinking of ext2/321:09
Dr_Willistgpraveen: of what? the icons?  I have a little flash drive icon for my flash drive.. and a drive icon for the drives..  and oddly enoght a USB hard drive icon for my external usb hard drive.21:09
Dr_Willisfilgy:  i read on the ext4 wiki that you can.21:09
filgyoCtodur: so far it's working good21:09
oCtodurdel_diablo: sorry bro dont have the url to the ext4 beta, i dont have the soft either, not sure there was one might just be a upcoming note21:09
del_diablofilgy: Ext3 is compitable with 2, but 4 is not compitable with 2.21:10
filgyDr_Willis: that's what i thought too21:10
oCtodurfilgy: good to hear ;)21:10
Dr_Willisfilgy:  i may be backwards perhaps ya can mount ext3 as ext4 ?21:10
oCtoduri hope this gets attention for the official release21:10
tgpraveenDr_Willis: yeah of ur desktop/ my computer where the icons are shown if you are usng the default humanity theme?21:10
filgydel_diablo: Dr_Willis  said according to the ext4 wiki... ext4 is compatible with ext3...21:10
filgydel_diablo: not ext221:10
* Dr_Willis rereads at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext421:10
filgydel_diablo  and Dr_Willis: okay.. if the ext4 filesystem uses extens then it cannot be mounted as ext321:11
del_diablofilgy: all acces tools from Windows, are mostly buildt on ext2. That is why the pain of it exists.21:11
filgyerr extents21:11
del_diablofilgy: How to turn them of then?21:11
Dr_Willisscren shot uploading to ----> http://drop.io/dr_willis21:12
arandWhat's the staus of defragging for ext4 btw, wasn't that supposed to be a new and shiny feature for it?21:12
HoopyCatyou should be able to mount ext3 as ext4 and then mount it as ext3 again, UNLESS you do the magic full conversion to ext4 (with the extents, etc)21:12
janhouseI found one really scratched cd-rw. I will try to burn debian net installation iso file (smallest there is). Can I install ubuntu over debian?21:12
del_diabloHoopyCat: It does not work that way............... sadly..........................21:13
HoopyCatjanhouse:  in theory, you might be able to once you get over any dpkg/apt version differences, but it's not going to be easy and it probably won't work the first time.21:13
janhouseok.21:13
filgydel_diablo: mount it with the option -o noextents21:13
janhousecan I install ubuntu using net boot?21:14
filgydel_diablo: that would be under linux though.. not sure under windows21:14
janhouseI have LAN21:14
sebsebsebjanhouse: yes of course21:14
sebsebsebjanhouse: I have no idea how to do it though21:14
janhousehow can I make it?21:14
janhouselol :D21:14
sebsebsebjanhouse: you need two computers21:14
janhousethat is a problem :D21:14
tgpraveenDr_Willis: umm still not there?21:14
janhouseI have even more :D21:14
del_diablofilgy: .................................. the question was ext4 from windows.............................21:14
tgpraveenat that link in images section21:14
sebsebsebjanhouse: I think you like send the kernel over  from one computer to the other using the lan or something21:14
sebsebseb!install |  janhouse21:14
ubottujanhouse: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate21:14
filgydel_diablo: i don't believe it is possible then21:15
Dr_Willistgpraveen:   i got 4 screenshots there.. the latest has the browser whowing the ext4 wiki page. and your icons21:15
oCtodurbtw did they solve the writing from ext3(/4) to ntfs partitions ?21:15
callnettbazhang: is better if i download another version?21:15
sebsebseboCtodur: Ubuntu has had  stable  read and write NTFS support since 7.1021:15
filgyoCtodur: when did that bug happen ?21:15
oCtodurcool =)))21:15
del_diablooCtodur: That is one unclear question21:15
oCtodurhavent been involved for a while =)21:15
oCtodurhaha21:15
oCtodurwell im just so damn happy with 9.10 its amazing!! =)21:15
Dr_Willisi use my external 'video storage' drives  as ntfs.21:15
HoopyCatjanhouse:  actually, the installation doc linked from ubottu has a couple interesting options... you might not want to install ubuntu "atop" a debian install, but you could install ubuntu "from" a debian (or other distro) installation21:15
oCtodurdoing massive install on all computers here in delhi now hehe21:16
sebsebseboCtodur: should wait untill the final21:16
sebsebseboCtodur: before doing any  proper installs21:16
tgpraveenDr_Willis: kk got ti. THanks.21:16
oCtoduryeah now mostly friends that are impressed21:16
oCtoduri told em to wait but they dont want to hehe21:16
del_diablosebsebseb: Don't warn people, EVER.21:16
oCtodurim not warned at all actually, the beta is perfect on my lappy thats had a lot of problems in linux before21:16
filgydel_diablo: why should people not be warned ?21:17
del_diablosebsebseb: especialy is they can live with the consequenses of something minor going wrong.21:17
oCtodurall runs so smooth now, except some minior video issues21:17
del_diablofilgy: They should, but if they are already prepeared for it then its just idiocy per definition.21:17
filgydel_diablo: how do you know if they are prepared for it? do you have a mind reading device that works over irc ?21:18
oCtodurlinux involve reading =)21:18
sebsebsebfilgy: he is a troll probably he was being stupid in #ubuntu not that long ago21:18
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filgysebsebseb: yea i'm pretty sure he is21:18
HoopyCatdel_diablo:  in the long run, i probably wouldn't bet on being able to access linux filesystems from windows... through history, it often turns out that freely-developable operating systems can access filesystems from less-freely-developable operating systems than the other way around21:18
tgpraveenDr_Willis: what are the drive type of "torrent download" and videos1000? did you give them special icons?21:18
del_diablofilgy: If somebody said once that "i don't care" or something in a similare matter, then its useless. And sebsebseb have i already encountered, he kept warning me over idiocy.21:18
filgysebsebseb: a troll wanting help.. that's the funny part21:18
HoopyCatdel_diablo:  so you might be better off storing your shared data on an NTFS filesystem (which has some caveats of its own with linux support, yes)21:19
del_diabloHoopyCat: hehe, i am going to use it for storing a small .sh script for dragging down everything from a minimal install.21:19
del_diablo*for21:19
sebsebsebfilgy: yeah21:20
HoopyCatdel_diablo:  oh heck.  hmm.21:20
del_diabloDoes anybody know if ntfs-3g is installed default on minimal install?21:21
mdmcginnWhere are virtual host settings, if not in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled? I'm still reaching a site that isn't included there.21:21
jbeitlerdel_diablo: no minimal is just that.. there is only what is necessary to boot the machine and install other software21:22
mfraz74i've got it installed here, and i don't recall installing it myself21:22
del_diablojbeitler: k, thanks.21:22
mfraz74oh sorry21:22
HoopyCatmdmcginn:  you've restarted apache, right?  barring that, grep --recursive --ignore-case whateveritis.com /etc/apache2/* should find it (i'd hope)21:23
filgymdmcginn: virtual host settings can be in the main apache config file i believe21:25
filgyhttpd.conf21:25
unknownhello, today after update I can't run X anymore.. anyone know about this issue, or can point me what can I do to check where is the problem?21:26
luc_hi, no sound out of amarok ?21:26
luc_daily build21:27
mdmcginnGrepping shows the site name  in a file that only exists as a hidden backup (/etc/apache2/sites-available/myoldsite.com~)21:27
del_diablounknown: What graphic card do you have?21:27
vega-_unknown: /var/log/Xorg.0.log would be the first place to look21:27
unknowndel_diablo: ati21:28
filgymdmcginn: depending on how your config is setup... it may be loading all files from sites-available/21:28
unknownradeon 4870\21:28
filgymdmcginn: so that may still be getting loaded21:28
del_diablounknown:  post the log over here http://nopaste.com/ , and link it to us21:28
unknowndel_diablo: this from /var/log/messages ?21:29
mdmcginnfilgy, it's not in sites-available at all.21:29
del_diablounknown: Yes the /var/log/Xorg.0.log21:29
filgymdmcginn: i thought you said it's at sites-available/myoldsite.com~ ?21:29
unknowndel_diablo: hmm... let me just think how to do this.. all what I got now is console :P21:30
mdmcginnTrue, It was. I removed it and restarted apache, and the same thing happens.21:30
duffydackmdmcginn,  reloaded apache? refreshed browser?21:30
duffydackmdmcginn, ah ok..  did you use a2ensite ?21:30
HoopyCatmdmcginn:  huh.  by default, it shouldn't be looking there when it reads the configs in.  it's showing the site "as it was" and not just falling back to another virtual host, right?  (apache picks weird defaults)21:30
del_diablounknown: ok, then we do this the easy way: "sudo apt-get install pastebinit && pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log"21:31
del_diablounknown: and give us the link21:31
filgymdmcginn: check your httpd.conf file.. see if it is parsing other config files/dirs from a location other than /etc/apache2 maybe21:31
HoopyCatmdmcginn:  and the hits are showing up in your access log?  (making sure it's not caching somewhere, or maybe the DNS record has been pointed elsewhere already...)21:32
mdmcginnI'll check httpd.conf again.21:32
unknowndel_diablo: http://pastebin.com/f31d7e7c021:33
filgymdmcginn: you might wanna check the other config files that httpd.conf includes.. since another config file linked from httpd.conf could also be linking to it21:33
mdmcginnOh wait, httpd.conf has 0  bytes. All the configs are in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf21:33
HoopyCatold habits die hard :-)21:33
pnutis there a channel specifically for UNR??21:34
bazhangnope21:34
pnutso i can ask mah questions about it here?21:34
bazhangif its karmic sure21:34
pnutsweet21:35
pnutok here goes...21:35
pnuti have an existing dual boot config, booting XP with Backtrack, and I want to install UNR, cuz its good..but not mess up any other partitions....can i manually partition in the free space available and set / as mount point..and install just like regular ubuntu in a dual boot config?21:36
del_diablounknown: :( remove xorg.conf (rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf) and run "aticonfig --initial" once. That is all the advice i can give. All it complains about is that some files is missing (/etc/ati/amdpcsdb.default), so i would not know anything more.21:36
wektJack is working well for sound output. It was easy to install.  You can just run qjackctl to start or monitor it.21:37
duffydacksoftware center is really cool..21:38
bazhangpnut, this is bt4?21:38
pnutyes.21:38
pnutits one of the dual boot OS's currently installed.21:38
unknowndel_diablo: thanks, I've just tried, that and get an error " no supported adapters detected" what do you think to try remove that driver and try with that open driver? (I forgot what was the name of it)21:39
bazhangpresumably you could just install the ubuntu-netbook-remix package (from jaunty) on top of that21:39
pnutbut i like karmic21:39
bazhangthen upgrade21:39
pnutlemme try this again.21:39
pnutim currently dual booting Xp with BT4 and i want to add UNR karmic to it.21:40
pnuti have 40g free space...21:40
ericdbIt looks like in Karmic, the scripts /etc/acpi/video_brightness{up|down}.sh have been dropped.  Where can I customize this behavior now?21:40
pnutcan i partition in that space...set mount point as / and install it normally?21:40
pnutwithout no0kin the other partitions?21:40
del_diablounknown: i can't find the package name. Its xorg-driver-radeon or something21:41
bazhangpnut, iirc the karmic version has an iso for unr21:41
pnutright.  im testing it using that Iso on a SD card on my netbook as we speak21:42
pnutand i love it;21:42
bazhangpnut, and it should pick up the other installs and add to grub21:42
pnutthats what i needed to know..21:42
pnutthanks bazhang21:42
bazhangpnut, but back up first21:43
unknowndel_diablo: i've removed xorg-driver-fglrx, maybe now it will run... let me check after reboot, and I'll back and tell the result21:43
bazhangit is only a beta after all and breakage can/will happen21:43
pnutyep, been running ubuntu since breezy, and i have had my fair share of screwups21:43
bazhangpnut, make sure that it sees the other installs before you go through with it of course21:44
pnutit does.21:44
pnutim at that point now :)21:44
bazhangnice21:44
bazhangah okay :)21:44
pnutit looks like it will work just right outta the box...as a beta...21:44
pnuti love ubuntu21:44
bazhangheh21:44
iokaguys what would happen after the the final release comes up?I'm with the beta now.Installed it two days ago from daily build.21:44
mfraz74do like the new karmic unr21:45
bazhangioka, just keep updating21:45
iokaok21:45
pnut<3 guys, thanks for help!!21:45
iokawhat is your current kernel?21:45
iokamine is 2.6.31-14-generic .is generec OK ?21:46
del_diabloioka .31 i belive21:46
bazhangwho21:46
del_diabloioka: that is the ubuntu kernel21:46
bazhang!info linux21:46
ubottulinux (source: linux-meta): Generic complete Linux kernel.. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.31.14.27 (karmic), package size 3 kB, installed size 32 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 lpia all)21:46
bazhangioka its fine21:47
iokabecause from aircrack said that it should not be generic.And i 'm missing one file.SO i can not use their patch to patch madwifi driver.The file tx.c.So they said something is wrong and I should ask ubuntu21:47
iokathat was with my wubi install.So I thought it si the wubi fault .However now with hard disk install i'm still missing the same file21:48
iokaand the generic name is still there.21:49
mdmcginnfilgy and HoopyCat: I found it. /etc/hosts said "127.0.0.1 localhost myoldsite.com"21:51
amgarchIn9Hi, after upgrade to 9.10 aptitude wants to remove "binutils-static" because "they are no longer used". Can anybody with a fresh install of 9.10 check if "binutils-static" is installed?21:53
iokai can check21:54
iokawhat si the command for binutils-static ?21:54
filgymdmcginn: sweet deal... i sorta figured it had to be in a file at another location21:54
mfraz74not installed here21:54
filgymdmcginn: good move checking your hosts file21:54
mdmcginnI just expanded my grepping.21:54
amgarchIn9ioka: dpkg -l binutils-static21:55
mdmcginnOf course, the new configuration still isn't working after restarting apache.:)21:55
unknowndel_diablo: now is ok, I had to remove the drivers, and again install it from restricted drivers menu (maybe because of kernel upgrade?) Thank You for help!21:58
del_diablounknown: Just nice to be of some service21:59
iokaNo packages found matching binutils-static.21:59
ioka10x for the command amgarchIn921:59
unknown;)21:59
iokacan anyone say it he has file tx.c ?22:00
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phoenixandthorHello everyone22:08
ipatrolIt won't start p22:08
ipatrol*up22:08
phoenixandthorAnyone been able to get around the "one app at a time" sound problem?22:09
phoenixandthorIf I try to play runescape and listen to my favorite music in Totem, I can't get sound in Totem22:09
phoenixandthorif I start totem first, then no sound in runescape22:10
phoenixandthorhappens no matter what audio apps I'm trying to run22:10
UnNaturalHighI used to be able to set my governor in gconf-editor to default to conservative, but now that setting seems to be gone. does anyone know how I could change the default governor now?22:11
rockrathello22:11
cpjr72phoenixandthor, does youtube in firefox + rythembox count? working for me22:12
UnNaturalHighp.s. this is karmic22:12
rockrathow can i check resource sharing / conflicts ? thanks22:12
phoenixandthorhave you tried adding the CPU freq applet to the gnome panel?22:12
phoenixandthorI just stated ANY app that uses audio is affected22:12
cpjr72ok sound working in totem, rythembox, and firefox at the same time22:13
cpjr72must be you :-(22:13
phoenixandthorApparently I have one of those weird audio chipsets that will do hardware mixing under Windows, but not Linux22:13
phoenixandthornow I need a software mixer for simultaneous output from multiple apps22:14
cpjr72phoenixandthor, using onboard realtek (hdaudio) driver, not sure of IC# anymore22:14
phoenixandthorI play better in Open Arena when listening to heavy metal22:14
phoenixandthorI have HDA nvidia/intel22:14
funkyHatphoenixandthor: have you intentionally disabled pulseaudio?22:15
phoenixandthornot yet22:15
phoenixandthorthinking about killing it since pulse seems to be the problem (but then I have no soft mixer)22:15
funkyHatphoenixandthor: can you check that it is actually running?22:15
phoenixandthorwould it show up in system monitor?22:16
funkyHatYes22:16
funkyHator ps aux | grep pulse22:16
rockrathow can i check resource sharing / conflicts ? thanks22:16
phoenixandthorpulseaudio is running22:16
funkyHatphoenixandthor: hm. what if you start 2 gstreamer apps (such as totem, banshee, rhythmbox)?22:19
Omar87How do I know which kernel version I'm using?22:19
funkyHatOmar87: uname -r22:19
phoenixandthoralready tried22:19
funkyHatphoenixandthor: what happens?22:20
phoenixandthorwhatever app I start first is the only one that has sound22:20
Omar87funkyHat, I'm trying to upgrade my kernel to version 2.6.32-020632rc5.22:20
funkyHatphoenixandthor: could you open gstreamer-properties and check you are actually using pulseaudio?22:20
Omar87funkyHat, but it seems like the system is still using version .31, how do I change that?22:21
funkyHatOmar87: did you reboot?22:21
funkyHatWhy are you upgrading to 2.6.32?22:22
Omar87funkyHat, yeah, I did.22:22
phoenixandthoryes, I am using pulseaudio22:22
janhouseWii! Finally! :)22:22
janhouseNetwork install rocks :)22:22
janhouseI will always try to use it from now on. :)22:22
Omar87funkyHat, because the current version seems to have an issue with KMS.22:22
janhouseNo cd's no usb disks. no problems :)22:22
funkyHatphoenixandthor: and the application you are using, does it appear on the Applications tab of Sound Preferences?22:23
phoenixandthorhowever, in the drop down menu where you choose the device, I got 2 "Unknown"s on output and 3 on input22:23
phoenixandthoryes22:23
Omar87funkyHat, what do I do?22:23
dmpjkmay i post it here?22:24
funkyHatdmpjk: if it's more than a couple of lines use a pastebin22:24
funkyHatOmar87: don't know really. I know there are special tools for debian for building kernels22:24
Omar87funkyHat, I installed from a .deb package.22:25
dmpjkright now im fetching the live dvd of karmic.22:25
funkyHatOh right22:25
dmpjkmay i post the torrent link and ask for seeders?22:25
phoenixandthorWhen I try running some things from a console (like Totem) it reports that it can't access the sound chips22:26
bazhangdmpjk, not here please22:26
Omar87funkyHat, where can I find help about that?22:26
cellofellowwhy are the daily build ISOs only the Alternate, no LiveCD images?22:26
funkyHatphoenixandthor: that is very strange. Sorry, I'm out of ideas22:27
funkyHatOmar87: maybe here? not sure22:27
wektphoenixandthor: i use jack to get around that sound limitation. i uninstalled pulse.22:27
aliendude5300hey... I'm getting an error saying the package rtmpdump couldn22:27
aliendude5300't be found, but I know I downloaded it before22:27
aliendude5300Does anyone know where I can get it?22:27
phoenixandthorI have had nothing but problems with jack22:28
dmpjki have something to say about creating liveusb22:29
phoenixandthoris there a how to guide for replacing pulse with jack?22:29
phoenixandthorin karmic22:29
dmpjki had this 8gb stick, which i tried to prepare with palimpsest22:29
cellofellowphoenixandthor: seeing as pulse and jack have entirely different protocols that's kind of impossible.22:29
dmpjkit didnt work out that well, and i ended up with using gparted for partitioning22:30
dmpjkthen i could use palimp...22:30
cellofellowphoenixandthor: unless you want to use only JACK apps.22:31
phoenixandthortha depends on how many apps have jack output plugins22:31
cellofellowsome gstreamer apps do, some don't22:32
funkyHatSurely it would make more sense for _gstreamer_ to have a JACK output22:33
aliendude5300sigh... it really seems like rtmpdump is gone... :(22:34
phoenixandthorlet me se if running alsaconf helps22:35
phoenixandthorwheres the alsa utils package?22:35
ikt<Dr_Willis> so at least 1 is wrong. :) <- :(22:36
phoenixandthorhow do I reconfigure my sound without alsaconf command? dpkg --reconfigure?22:37
dupondjeAre there plans to make Grub2 boot nicer ?22:39
dupondjeas now there can be nice backgrounds etc ?22:39
amgarchIn9is there a way to fiind out what is the difference between the current and default installs by listing the package names?22:41
Omar87Can someone please help me? I'm trying to upgrade my kernel to 2.6.32-020632rc5, but the system still uses that previous one.22:41
joaopintodupondje, probably for lucid22:41
amgarchIn9Omar87: check /boot/grub/menu.lst22:41
joaopintoOmar87, why do you need such kernel version ?22:42
joaopintoamgarchIn9, that file is not available with grub222:42
dupondjejoaopinto: lucid ? 10.04 ,22:43
dupondje?22:43
joaopintoyes22:43
amgarchIn9joaopinto: is it possible to upgrade to grub2? My install is not a fresh one: 8.04 -> ... all the way -> 9.1022:43
Omar87joaopinto, the current one has a problem with kms.22:43
dupondje!grub222:43
ubottuGRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager in Karmic. For more information on GRUB2 please refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub222:43
dupondje:)22:43
dupondjejoaopinto: ok :p think I will be using it from Alpha 2 again :p22:44
Omar87amgarchIn9, I couldn't find that file.22:44
amgarchIn9Omar87, joaopinto: omg, they changed everything in grub-2, I think I'll stay with grub-1 for the moment. What are the advantages?22:46
amgarchIn9Omar87: I am not yet familiar with grub-222:47
Omar87amgarchIn9, anyone else here is?22:48
coz_Omar87,  not much ...what is it you want to do?22:48
Omar87coz_, I need to upgrade to Kernel version 2.6.32-020632rc5.22:49
coz_Omar87,  ok22:49
coz_Omar87,   and grub2 didnt pick it up?22:49
Omar87coz_, no.22:49
coz_Omar87,    sudo update-grub22:49
timberhey, the command ALT+SHIFT+TAB doesn't work22:50
timberanyone knows why?22:50
coz_timber,  hold on let me check22:51
Omar87coz_, does that look like it's updated? http://pastebin.com/d7caf1f4b22:51
coz_timber,  are you running  compiz?22:51
timberyes22:51
coz_Omar87,  mm22:52
timberi made an update today and then the command "disappeared"22:52
coz_timber,   and what are you using alt shift tab for?22:52
timbercoz_: for nothing22:52
coz_timber,  mm   what would you expect it to do?22:52
Omar87coz_, is it??22:54
coz_Omar87,   is the new kernel listed there?22:54
Omar87coz_, where?22:54
timbercoz_: i expect the command go back an app when i use ALT+TAB22:54
timbercoz_: like CTRL+SHIFT+TAB on firefox, moves to the previous tab22:55
coz_Omar87,  sorry I was asking if it was  I am having video issues here so cant see the link you gave me22:55
Omar87video issues?22:55
coz_timber,  you want a window picker to run with that?22:55
Omar87There's no video in there. :)22:55
Omar87coz_, it's a pastebin entry.22:56
coz_Omar87,  yeah I two caps on my video card blew taking a monitor and my memor along with it...I am running a very low end card right now on two old crt monitors22:56
timbercoz_: no...yesterday and always this command worked fine, without installing nothing extra...now it's gone...i want it back22:56
coz_Omar87,  rught I cant read much in firefox right now22:56
amgarchIn9this is new dmesg, is it ok?: [   28.156477] type=1503 audit(1255728347.703:26): operation="open" pid=1143 parent=1142 profile="/usr/sbin/mysqld" requested_mask="r::" denied_mask="r::" fsuid=0 ouid=0 name="/sys/devices/system/cpu/"22:56
coz_timber,  so it is not for window scroll picker?22:56
Omar87coz_, no, the new kernel is not listed there.22:56
Omar87coz_, should I install it again?22:57
timbercoz_: that's the name of it? i'm brazilian, i don't know the name22:57
coz_Omar87,  no  I would  assume you already restarted?22:57
timbercoz_: if do what always did...i want22:57
coz_Omar87,  if no one can help here  then I suggest the  #grub  channel :)22:58
Omar87coz_, after of before the update-grub?22:58
coz_Omar87,  after installing new kernel22:58
Omar87coz_, that's what I'm thinking as well. :)22:58
Omar87coz_, yes I have.22:59
coz_Omar87,   I would restart first  to see if the new kernel is picked up in grub if not   then go to the #grub channel and let them know  what the issue is...most of us are still catching up with grub222:59
timbercoz_: do you know if it's a bug?23:00
Omar87coz_, I did reboot, but couldn't find the new kernel.23:00
coz_Omar87,  ok go to #grub channel by typing here     /join #grub23:01
coz_timber,  not sure guy   but since I can be of little help here with this system the way it is I am going to let others take this  issue23:01
Omar87coz_, thanks, I already did that. :)23:02
amgarchIn9Omar87: BTW where did you get that fresh kernel23:02
amgarchIn9?23:02
timbercould you test the ALt+SHIFT+TAB command?23:03
aliendude5300Anyone know how to replay Wireshark packet captures?23:25
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Charlihello23:29
kblinhi folks23:30
Charlihi23:30
Charlihow are you?23:30
kblinfine, thanks23:31
kblinI'm experiencing some issues trying to safe-upgrade my karmic install23:31
kblinmy system is complaining about libesd-alsa0: Conflicts: libesd0 but 0.2.41-5 is installed.23:32
Charlibummer23:32
Charlii h8 complaining23:32
Charli;)23:32
kblinhm, it seems like removing qemu fixed it23:33
MJEvansHow do I just -file a ###! bug- ????      I've collected all the files I need to submit, and no longer have the ubuntu system online.23:33
MJEvansThe report a bug link just takes me to that useless off-site ubuntu link23:35
iokacya guys.Ubuntu sometimes and in general linux make me really mad.But this is all because I 'm not use to it and i know nothing about linux in general.But i wanna learn and i'm happy that there is ubuntu on this world.It is awesome23:38
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xcvbfghjkdtchen: I don't think so.23:41
xcvbfghjkdtchen: Sorry, my internet connection is a bit temperamental.23:42
Charlihaha23:42
xcvbfghjkdtchen: Also, I feel a bit suicidal.23:43
dtchenxcvbfghjk: sorry, but i'm utterly lacking in context for "I don't think so"23:48
dtchenxcvbfghjk: mind refreshing me, please?23:48
dtchenxcvbfghjk: as for feeling suicidal, please get assistance; I can only help with audio ATM ;)23:48
xcvbfghjk(19:19:15) dtchen: xcvbfghjk: do you have an optical/spdif jack?23:48
xcvbfghjkdtchen: Yeah, I'm going to cry myself to sleep tonight. :(23:48
xcvbfghjkHopefully tomorrow will be better.23:49
BUGabundodtchen: ahaahahahahahaha23:51
xcvbfghjkdtchen: I really want things I'm unable to have right now. :(23:51
BUGabundoxcvbfghjk: calm down!23:51
BUGabundofeel free to enjoy community free hugs!23:51
xcvbfghjkdtchen: Computer, girlfriend, car, sex, Dr Pepper, a night out with friends, etc.23:51
rob0Work on peace of mind first, computer issues later.23:51
dtchenyeah, find Dr Pepper STAT23:51
xcvbfghjkdtchen: I'm suffering from withdrawal symptoms!23:52
xcvbfghjkdtchen: The shops are closed now. :(23:52
rob0pepper://drpepper.com/23:52
xcvbfghjkdtchen: I was planning to go out with a 14 year old girl whom I bought £10 of alcohol for today.23:52
xcvbfghjkdtchen: She didn't phone me, though. :(23:53
rob0PoIP ... pepper over IP23:53
BUGabundoohhhh23:53
BUGabundothis is going to end up wrong23:53
xcvbfghjkSo I phoned her boyfriend but he wasn't answering his mobile telephone.23:53
bazhang!ot23:53
ubottu#ubuntu+1 handles support for the development version of Ubuntu.  Please join #ubuntu for all other Ubuntu support.  Chat in #ubuntu-offtopic.23:53
nemoPulseAudo + SDL: 100% CPU, static.  PA +  SDL + sdlmix pulse audio lib: perfect  PulseAudio + openal: 100% CPU, static23:55
nemoI'm reporting this to ask if some of the folks here who loooove pulseaudio23:55
nemocan suggest a workaround for getting openal to work23:55
nemoat the moment I think the suggestion for ubuntu users may simply be to turn off sound or disable pulse23:55
nemonow granted this isn't on all platforms23:55
nemoAC'97 Intel 82801FB sound with Intel 915GM display23:56
dtchennemo: err, which audio backend is being used for libsdl in those instances?23:58
dtchennemo: i.e., all libsdl1.2debian?23:58
dtchennemo: or libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio23:58
nemodtchen: the 2nd one is the debian-pulseaudio. that's the one that works23:58
nemodtchen: however we are moving to openal23:59
dtchennemo: well, yes, that's because the ALSA backend in libsdl has some serious bugs23:59
nemodtchen: we might also try to circomvent pulseaudio in specifcying openalsoft config, but that's a last resort23:59
nemodtchen: SDL is not the issue, we have a workaround there23:59
dtchennemo: they were only recently fixed -- as in this week23:59
nemoopenal is :)23:59
nemodtchen: I just tested openal minutes ago. still fails hard on that HW combo23:59
dtchenwell, what is openal doing with its backend?23:59

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