[00:00] <maco> im hoping that people will read that before filing bugs and do it right
[00:00] <xteejx> bug 159982, affects current Kubuntu releases, can someone take a look please?
[00:00] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 159982 in kdepim "KMail using mixed locale template in replies" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/159982
[00:02] <dtchen> jerone-mobile: do you mean "practically" or "partially"?
[00:02] <dtchen> jerone-mobile: in https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/418617/comments/39 , that is
[00:02] <jerone-mobile> dtchen, ? which commnt
[00:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 418617 in pulseaudio "Sound Prefrences applet does not offer a way for laptop users to use mic jack attached mic" [Undecided,New]
[00:03] <jerone-mobile> dtchen, think meant "partially" for the bug at least
[00:04] <jerone-mobile> dtchen, but the big issue is resolved
[00:04] <dtchen> jerone-mobile: ok
[00:04] <jerone-mobile> dtchen, the other is minor really
[00:04] <dtchen> jerone-mobile: i agree there's a UI nit-pick
[00:04] <jerone-mobile> dtchen, focus for next release
[00:04] <dtchen> right
[00:04] <dtchen> i'm not going to be focusing on it for Karmic at least
[00:04] <dtchen> thanks again for testing
[00:06] <dtchen> xteejx: have you mentioned it in #kubuntu-devel?
[00:06] <dtchen> (it doesn't appear so, but my irc client's activity indicator sometimes lies)
[00:07] <dtchen> err, there's a #kubuntu-bugs, too, IIRC
[00:26] <BUGabundo> bou pra caminha
[00:41] <hggdh> dtchen, request sent...
[00:43] <dtchen> hggdh: thanks much
[00:51] <xteejx> bug 160071, its a developer type report, very confusing i haven't a clue what it means, can someone with more of a brain than me take a look please? :) lol
[00:51] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 160071 in libdebian-installer "Logger Framework Conducive to Creating Zombie Processes When Syslog is Restarted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160071
[00:52] <xteejx> if theres anyone here of course ;)
[01:04] <xteejx> What is the commit interval for ext3 with laptops on battery is it still 5 seconds?
[01:05] <mzz> xteejx: last time I checked: yes
[01:06] <mzz> xteejx: zombie processes are usually pretty ignorable
[01:07] <mzz> xteejx: (if you're a developer: you should clean them up if your code is causing them. If you're a user: you can usually ignore them, since they don't take up a significant amount of resources unless there's tons of them)
[01:08] <xteejx> mzz, I'm only asking because of a bug report, more of a wishlist really: bug 150448
[01:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 150448 in compiz "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV (dup-of: 145360)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/150448
[01:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 145360 in compiz "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV in doPoll()" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145360
[01:08] <xteejx> bug 160448, sorry
[01:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 160448 in util-linux "the commit interval for the ext3 filesystem should be higher than 5 seconds for laptop users by default (at least while on battery)" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160448
[01:09] <mzz> well, notice that bug isn't marked fixed
[01:10] <xteejx> it was never wishlisted either, i only just done it....
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[03:19] <bcurtiswx> Bug #408530 and Bug #443340  i believe they are the same, and the first has the better report.. but both have a large amount of duplicates, does launchpad still complain about that?
[03:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 408530 in empathy "empathy assertion failure: empathy:ERROR:empathy-tp-chat.c:1391:empathy_tp_chat_acknowledge_message: assertion failed: (m != NULL)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/408530
[03:19] <ubot4> bcurtiswx: Bug 443340 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/443340 is private
[03:19] <bcurtiswx> for those who can read private reports ;-)
[03:21] <bcurtiswx> im gonna go check it and publicize it if i can
[03:32] <micahg> bcurtiswx: yeah, you still have to manually move the dupes AFAIK
[03:32] <bcurtiswx> <facepalm> that sucks
[03:34] <bcurtiswx> micahg: you agree that 408530 is the better bug tho?
[03:34] <bcurtiswx> join #launchpad
[03:34] <bcurtiswx> whoops
[03:34] <micahg> bcurtiswx: bug 78596...
[03:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 78596 in malone "Automatically handle moving duplicates across when duplicating a bug with dupes" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78596
[03:35] <bcurtiswx> high and triaged... and 78596... <facepalm>
[03:36] <micahg> yeah, I think so
[04:09] <shawn_> Hello is this where I report bugs?
[04:11] <mzz> shawn_: no, that'd be launchpad or using ubuntu-bug on a ubuntu system. This is where you get help using those though.
[04:11] <bcurtiswx> shawn_, which package are you reporting against?
[04:12] <shawn_> Well I want to report a bug with the Remote Desktop Viewer
[04:12] <shawn_> In Jaunty
[04:17] <bcurtiswx> yeah use ubuntu-bug
[04:17] <shawn_> Whats that
[04:17] <benedikt> shawn_: open a terminal an write "ubuntu-bug" :-)
[04:18] <mzz> shawn_: if you go to http://bugs.ubuntu.com/ and click the "report a bug" link (on the right) you're taken to a wiki page telling you (among other things) how to invoke ubuntu-bug
[04:18] <benedikt> reading the man page also works.
[04:19] <shawn_> Gah this seems way too annoying xD
[04:27] <sbeattie> shawn_: actually, it's even easier than what the others suggested; open the Remote Desktop Viewer, click on the help menu and then select "Report a Problem"
[04:27] <shawn_> Ohhh
[04:43] <Omar87> Hi all.
[04:43] <Omar87> The system keeps crashing and logging out on me. (Karmic).
[05:12] <mzz> Omar87: anything in /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old?
[05:12] <mzz> Omar87: or ~/.xsession-errors.old?
[07:06] <Laibsch> What's the fastest way to merge two bugs that already have a high number of dupes themselves?
[07:29] <Laibsch> Can somebody who can read stacktraces please take a look at bug 338217 and bug 199592 to confirm or disconfirm whether those two are dupes?
[07:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 338217 in scim-bridge "scim-bridge crashed with SIGSEGV in scim::Module::unload()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/338217
[07:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 199592 in scim-bridge "scim-bridge crashed with SIGSEGV in scim::Module::unload()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199592
[07:35] <thekorn> good morning
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[07:57] <Omar87> mzz,  /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old :  http://pastebin.com/m4cea3dd4
[07:58] <mzz> Omar87: so that looks like it's cut off. Anything interesting logged in /var/log/gdm?
[07:59] <Omar87> mzz, ~/.xsession-errors.old : http://pastebin.com/m4761ddab
[07:59] <mzz> Omar87: yeah, that's X crashing
[08:01] <Omar87> I found those: http://pastebin.com/d10ba800e
[08:17] <Omar87> mzz, so what now?
[08:18] <mzz> Omar87: anything interesting below /var/log/gdm/?
[08:18] <Omar87> I found those: http://pastebin.com/d10ba800e
[08:19] <mzz> Omar87: it reads as if gdm crashed badly enough that it didn't write the crash reason to its own log, but it might've dumped it to stderr, which'd end up somewhere below /var/log/gdm/
[08:19] <mzz> err, as if *X* crashed...
[08:19] <mzz> Omar87: try :0.log.1
[08:22] <Omar87> mzz, http://pastebin.com/d6ac5f77b
[08:23] <mzz> I'll read in a minute, multitasking...
[08:23] <Omar87> mzz, tyt
[08:25] <mzz> #
[08:26] <mzz> drmRadeonCmdBuffer: -12. Kernel failed to parse or rejected command stream. See dmesg for more info.
[08:26] <mzz> Omar87: so pastebin dmesg
[08:26] <mzz> Omar87: this is the sort of thing that might already have a ubuntu bug though
[08:28] <Omar87> mzz, http://pastebin.com/d6415a399
[08:28] <mzz> Xorg: page allocation failure. order:4, mode:0x40d0
[08:28] <mzz> that's not good
[08:29] <mzz> Omar87: things to do include: search ubuntu-bugs for this, check if the x-updates ppa has a better driver, ask #radeon if this dmesg output is known
[08:29] <mzz> err, s/ubuntu-bugs/launchpad/
[08:30] <Omar87> mzz, so where do I look now?
[08:31] <mzz> see above
[08:32] <Omar87> s/ubuntu-bugs/launchpad?
[08:33] <mzz> well, "search ubuntu-bugs" doesn't work :) I meant "search http://bugs.ubuntu.com/" aka the bug tracker on launchpad
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[09:31] <Laibsch1> Can somebody who can read stacktraces please take a look at bug 338217 and bug 199592 to confirm or disconfirm whether those two are dupes?
[09:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 338217 in scim-bridge "scim-bridge crashed with SIGSEGV in scim::Module::unload()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/338217
[09:32] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 199592 in scim-bridge "scim-bridge crashed with SIGSEGV in scim::Module::unload()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199592
[09:34] <mzz> they definitely look extremely similar to me
[09:34] <mzz> but I may be missing something, since the "retraced" stack trace doesn't match exactly
[10:21] <iamfossy> hi all , anyone has USB auto-mount bug in Karmic  ?
[10:21] <iamfossy> can anyone reproduce the same ?
[10:22] <mzz> you're not being very specific
[10:22] <iamfossy> Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with:
[10:22] <iamfossy> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdd1,
[10:22] <iamfossy>        missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[10:22] <iamfossy>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[10:22] <iamfossy>        dmesg | tail  or s
[10:22] <iamfossy> thats the error
[10:22] <iamfossy> when i plug in a USB
[10:23] <mzz> if you try to mount directly does it fail the same way?
[10:23] <iamfossy> i've checked it with multiple USB's
[10:23] <mzz> also, what does "file -s /dev/sdd1" say?
[10:23] <mzz> also, what it said about dmesg
[10:24] <iamfossy> the file command with sudo reports as follows : /dev/sdd1: x86 boot sector, code offset 0x58, OEM-ID "MSWIN4.1", sectors/cluster 8, reserved sectors 2176, Media descriptor 0xf8, heads 255, hidden sectors 63, sectors 15695808 (volumes > 32 MB) , FAT (32 bit), sectors/FAT 15296, reserved3 0x800000, serial number 0xa84562fb, unlabeled
[10:24] <mzz> hmm, that sounds not completely insane
[10:24] <iamfossy> whats the problem ?
[10:25] <iamfossy> and the dmesg | tails reports as follows :
[10:25] <iamfossy> [14419.518036] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdd] Assuming drive cache: write through
[10:25] <iamfossy> [14419.520735] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdd] Assuming drive cache: write through
[10:25] <iamfossy> [14419.520740]  sdd: sdd1
[10:25] <iamfossy> [14419.528033] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdd] Assuming drive cache: write through
[10:25] <iamfossy> [14419.528038] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdd] Attached SCSI removable disk
[10:25] <iamfossy> [14420.349881] UDF-fs: No anchor found
[10:25] <iamfossy> [14420.349885] UDF-fs: Rescanning with blocksize 2048
[10:25] <iamfossy> [14420.421185] UDF-fs: No anchor found
[10:25] <iamfossy> [14420.421190] UDF-fs: No partition found (1)
[10:25] <iamfossy> [14420.754820] ISOFS: Unable to identify CD-ROM format.
[10:25] <mzz> pastebins are your friend
[10:25] <mzz> and that's odd, I wonder why it's attempting those
[10:25] <iamfossy> Oops sorry
[10:26] <iamfossy> btw i've the latest updates to karmic
[10:26] <iamfossy> any idea or a fix ?
[10:27] <iamfossy> i googled aroung , and saw everywhere in ubuntu forums
[10:27] <iamfossy> was not able to see such error
[10:28] <iamfossy> @mzz any ideas / fixes / solutions ?
[10:29] <mzz> see earlier comment about manual mounting
[10:30] <iamfossy> thats the way i do it now , i manually mount the flash drives , then gksu nautilus to read/write to it
[10:30] <iamfossy> is this the problem with everyone or only me ?
[10:32] <mzz> I can't say I've noticed it
[10:32] <mzz> how are you mounting? Specifically: are you passing "-t vfat" or the like?
[10:33] <mzz> I'd attempt to find out how "mount" ends up getting called, although I'm not sure what a convenient way to do that would be
[10:33] <iamfossy> it never mounts automaticallt , i use this : sudo mount /dev/sdd1 /mnt
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[11:12] <xteejx> hi all
[11:15] <Kmos> Could some make bug 451838 public?
[11:15] <ubot4> Kmos: Bug 451838 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/451838 is private
[11:16] <xteejx> hang on
[11:17] <xteejx> Kmos, this bug is fixed
[11:17] <Kmos> thank you
[11:18] <xteejx> Kmos, no, I mean the bug has been fixed already, but I'll mark it Public, have checked it
[11:18] <Kmos> yeah, I know it was fixed
[11:18] <xteejx> ahh
[11:18] <Kmos> I just need to make one duplicate of it
[11:18] <Kmos> =)
[11:18] <xteejx> no worries :)
[11:19] <Kmos> done
[11:19] <Kmos> :)
[11:19] <Kmos> thank
[11:19] <Kmos> thanks
[11:32] <indus> xteejx: hello
[11:33] <xteejx> indus, hi
[11:33] <indus> xteejx: you know, i downgraded bios and it seems the soft reset messages went away, but cd/dvd didnt work anyway
[11:33] <xteejx> indus, so the drive is physically "broken", its not software?
[11:33] <indus> xteejx: actually i have a bandwidth cap per month, and so cant download kernel yet
[11:34] <indus> xteejx: works beautifully in windows
[11:34] <indus> xteejx: actually i dont remember whether messages disappeared , i upgraded to latest bios anyway
[11:34] <xteejx> xteejyx, still a problem then, thats a shame...glad to see the soft ata messages went though, its one step closer to fixing it, in fact you may not have to test a mainline kernel now, i'll have a look
[11:35] <indus> xteejx: no no wait, iam not sure it disappeared i am saying
[11:35] <indus> xteejx: but the drive wasnt detected still , so i went back to new bios
[11:36] <xteejx> indus, ohhh ok, well no worries i'm in the middle of doing other stuff, but will check back on my gmail account if there's any updates :)
[11:36] <indus> xteejx: believe me, this is  a  amd 690 g chipset issue
[11:36] <indus> xteejx: i will test mainline in a day or so
[11:36] <xteejx> ok
[11:36] <indus> xteejx: just double click on deb and install?
[11:37] <xteejx> ermmm im not sure, it's all explained in the link, but i *think* so yes
[11:37] <indus> xteejx: ok thanks for all the help really
[11:37] <indus> i had lost hope of any fix
[11:38] <xteejx> indus, no worries, do you remember the bug number, i can't find it
[11:40] <xteejx> got it, no worries
[11:41] <indus> so you are at this moment chatting with kernel devs?
[11:41] <indus> i need some technical info
[11:41] <indus> what does soft reset mean
[11:48] <xteejx> indus, no, I'm at work flitting between Ubuntu and work
[11:50] <indus> ok then ill see u later, dont let anyone escape :P
[11:59] <xteejx> lol
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[14:47] <sean> ?
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[14:48] <Guest89768> i need help oeth a bug in update manager
[14:50] <Guest89768> can any one in here help me resolve a bug in update manager?
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[15:37] <hggdh> ah well. Another shoot and run
[16:02] <iamfossy> hello everyone
[16:02] <iamfossy> i've a technical issue with fstab
[16:02] <iamfossy> is there anyone to help ?
[16:03] <iamfossy> my problem is detailed here : http://pastebin.com/m27c0cdbe
[16:04] <iamfossy> updated with my fstab  entries
[16:04] <iamfossy> http://pastebin.com/m32aa8372
[16:04] <iamfossy> the /dev/sdd1 is my flash drive partition , i do not know why it is being recognised as cdrom in fstab
[16:04] <iamfossy> any fix for this ?
[16:23] <hggdh> iamfossy: what version of Ubuntu are you running?
[17:09] <quentusrex> Is there a way to see the list of bugs for the karmic beta?
[17:09] <d3xter> hey guys
[17:13] <bdmurray> howdy
[17:13] <d3xter> after upgrading to 9.10, dimming of my lcd with my fn-keys stopped working. While Ubuntu is booting, the fn-keys work as expected. is this bug related to the intel-driver?
[17:15] <thekorn> hi all!
[17:15] <thekorn> quentusrex, you mean targeted to karmic beta?
[17:16] <thekorn> quentusrex, they are listed on https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-9.10-beta
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[20:15] <BUGabundo> hey fellows
[21:04] <hggdh> hey fellows
[21:06] <Ueland> o/
[21:06] <BUGabundo> ola hggdh
[21:06] <hggdh> ola BUGabundo, log time
[21:06] <hggdh> s/log/long/
[21:07] <BUGabundo> really??
[21:08] <BUGabundo> what? one week or so?
[21:12] <hggdh> long time no matter ;-)
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[21:43] <elleuca> hi, could someone try to check this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/451974
[21:43] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 451974 in compiz "Black video minimizing Totem window" [Undecided,New]
[22:26] <bdmurray> mrand: you might be interested in bug 453377
[22:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 453377 in ubuntu "[ubuntu karmic] mythtv-frontend does not prevent display being put to sleep during tv watching" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/453377
[22:27] <paran> if somebody have karmic, linux-backports-modules-karmic-generic and iwlagn, then please take a quick look at my bug 453064
[22:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 453064 in linux-backports-modules-2.6.31 "Incorrect Intel firmware file name" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/453064
[22:27] <BUGabundo> there are already backports??
[22:28] <BUGabundo> aren't those supposed to kick in *after* release?
[22:28] <paran> yeah, latest bleeding edge compat-wireless
[22:29] <BUGabundo> ahhh
[22:29] <paran> probably too much new intrusive changes to just throw it into the normal kernel
[22:29] <BUGabundo> due to archive freeze?
[22:29] <bdmurray> well the kernel freezes a bit before the final freeze
[22:31] <paran> the normal kernel probably like to stick closer to unmodified 2.6.31
[22:32] <paran> I run backports as that version of iwlagn supports power management (iwconfig wlan0 power on) which saves 1-2W on my laptop :)
[22:32] <BUGabundo> ahh
[22:47] <elleuca> hi, could someone try to check this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/451974
[22:47] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 451974 in compiz "Black video minimizing Totem window" [Undecided,New]
[23:15] <bcurtiswx> dtchen: what happened with the simultaneous output in pulse?
[23:19] <dtchen> bcurtiswx: I'm not sure what you mean?
[23:20] <dtchen> paran: it's no longer compat-wireless bleeding but whatever's tracked in the next linux version
[23:20] <bcurtiswx> dtchen: sound preferences --> output tab --> no simultaneous output
[23:20] <dtchen> paran: currently it's synced with 2.6.32-rc4
[23:20] <bcurtiswx> dtchen: hmm, maybe that setting got reset in an update
[23:20] <dtchen> paran: details of the change are in the changelog for linux-backports-modules-2.6.31
[23:21] <dtchen> BUGabundo: no, for several releases now, lbm has been uploaded prior to RC
[23:21] <bcurtiswx> dtchen: pavucontrol has nothing
[23:21] <dtchen> bcurtiswx: I don't use that, sorry. I use paprefs first.
[23:22] <BUGabundo> paprefs?
[23:22] <BUGabundo> that's new to me
[23:23] <dtchen> paprefs is deprecated, really.
[23:23] <bcurtiswx> dtchen: it should allow you to make that option in sound preferences
[23:23] <dtchen> hum!
[23:23] <dtchen> i wonder how many people are running ext4 as /home who are getting these weird muted Master/PCM/Front issues
[23:23] <BUGabundo> +1
[23:24] <BUGabundo> seems fixed to me for a few days
[23:24] <bcurtiswx> i have that.. whats the issue?
[23:24] <BUGabundo> haven't seen it happening recently
[23:24] <BUGabundo> I do have the audio team PPA
[23:25] <paran> dtchen: imho compat-wireless-2.6.32-rc4 is quite bleeding edge compared to 2.6.31 :)
[23:25] <dtchen> paran: well, yes. thankfully it works much better for my hardware.
[23:26] <dtchen> BUGabundo: the audio team PPA has older packages than what's in Karmic proper.
[23:26] <BUGabundo> ok
[23:26] <BUGabundo> so you think ext4 may be the root of the prob?
[23:26] <bcurtiswx> dtchen: so the only way to get simultaneous output is paprefs?
[23:27] <dtchen> bcurtiswx: no, but it's probably the easiest way for you at this moment, given that it's not exposed properly in gnome-volume-control (a bug, of course)
[23:27] <bcurtiswx> dtchen: ahh ok... do you know if its reported already?
[23:29] <bcurtiswx> i.e. i'd be happy to report it if not
[23:29] <dtchen> bcurtiswx: probably, but it really is quite low on my hit list
[23:29] <dtchen> as in I won't even look at it for Karmic
[23:30] <paran> dtchen: I mainly wanted the PS. hopefully it might also improve wpa2-enterpsie stability whan I am at work
[23:30] <bcurtiswx> dtchen: well i'll see if i can find it and post a workaround
[23:30] <hggdh> well, I am running pure Karmic right now (i.e., no PPAs), and do not get sound muted at start
[23:31] <dtchen> bcurtiswx: the workaround would be "install paprefs, use it (System> Preferences> PulseAudio Preferences> Simultaneous Output)
[23:31] <dtchen> hggdh: is /home on ext4?
[23:31] <hggdh> dtchen: yes. And paprefs was not installed so far
[23:32] <hggdh> and encrypted (/home/myself, I mean)
[23:32] <dtchen> hggdh: right, paprefs is for a different issue altogether
[23:32] <dtchen> hmm, ok. that's two data points.
[23:32] <dtchen> BUGabundo: do you have encrypted lvm / or ecryptfs /home?
[23:33] <BUGabundo> dtchen: no
[23:33] <BUGabundo> dtchen: full disk is a single partition of ext4
[23:33] <hggdh> dtchen: also, I run LVM, with many mount points
[23:33] <BUGabundo> no separate /home
[23:34] <dtchen> BUGabundo: / hggdh: what's the output from head -6 /proc/asound/card*/codec*
[23:35] <BUGabundo> dtchen: $ head -6 /proc/asound/card*/codec* | pastebinit  http://paste.ubuntu.com/295018/
[23:37] <hggdh> dtchen: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/295019/
[23:39] <hggdh> brb
[23:42] <dtchen> oooh, excellent
[23:42] <dtchen> now I can use the two of you as guinea pigs!
[23:42] <BUGabundo> lolol
[23:42]  * BUGabundo is away watching TV shows in a role
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[23:57] <bdrung> dtchen: is bug #453158 a bug in pulseaudio or alsa?
[23:57] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 453158 in xmms2 "problem with xmms2 toggleplay" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/453158
[23:57] <bdrung> dtchen: i saw a similar bug filed against vlc