[15:56]  * marjo waves
[16:02] <pitti> o/
[16:02]  * apw zones in
[16:03] <Riddell> good afternoon friends
[16:05] <Riddell> this meeting is lacking a certain je ne sais quoi
[16:06] <pitti> je ne parlez-pas francois
[16:06] <Riddell> "parle" "francais"
[16:06] <apw> et tu brute
[16:06] <davmor2> Riddell: he said he didn't :)
[16:07] <Riddell> slangasek?  how's your french?
[16:07] <lool> Riddell: francois is old french
[16:07] <lool> it's even more impressive  ;)
[16:08] <lool> pardon c'est encore plus impressionant
[16:08] <Riddell> c'est supercool
[16:08]  * pitti checks the channel again
[16:08] <cjwatson> Riddell: a certain je ne sais qui, perhaps
[16:09] <Riddell> robbiew: able to phone slangasek?  he might need woken up
[16:09] <robbiew> yeah...let me check
[16:10] <cjwatson> I can't chair, I have a lot of other urgent stuff to do at the same time - maybe somebody else can
[16:10] <robbiew> slangasek is on his way
[16:10] <robbiew> ;)
[16:10] <slangasek> morning, folks
[16:11] <pitti> hey slangasek
[16:11] <slangasek> (sorry)
[16:11] <pitti> slangasek: you still have a feeling about "morning" vs. "night" these days? Impressive
[16:11] <njpatel> hey
[16:11] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[16:11] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:11. The chair is slangasek.
[16:11] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:12] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Actions from previous meetings
[16:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Actions from previous meetings
[16:12] <slangasek>   * slangasek and bdmurray to garden the regression-potential bugs
[16:12] <slangasek>   * slangasek to look at possible Kubuntu-only EOL announcement for 8.04
[16:12] <slangasek>   * asac__ to follow up on notify-osd/gpm regression
[16:12] <slangasek>   * marjo and slangasek to follow up on getting eucalyptus tests updated on tracker (DONE)
[16:12] <apw> slangasek, am covering kernel for pgraner
[16:12] <slangasek>   * davmor2 to test wubi with syncio->sync fix ASAP (DONE)
[16:12] <slangasek>   * lool to confirm that shipping jaunty OOo .so w/o source is legal
[16:12] <slangasek>   * kirkland to discuss virtio for uec with Dan today (Bug:432154)
[16:12] <slangasek>   * sistpoty|work to draft another call for help w/ FTBFS (DONE)
[16:12] <slangasek> apw: ack
[16:12] <asac> asac: scratch that follow up please ;) its not a release critical thing (though we discussed it here in context)
[16:12] <asac> slangasek: ^^
[16:13] <slangasek> asac: ok
[16:13] <kirkland> slangasek: our dynamic block storage and virtio bugs were fixed on Wednesday
[16:13] <slangasek> regression-potential bugs> will finish up today
[16:13] <slangasek> kirkland: great, thanks
[16:14] <lool> I checked with legal and it's ok to ship the jaunty binary but they would like us to include a note in debian/copyright
[16:14] <slangasek> the jaunty OOO .so has also been addressed; we need a change added to the debian/copyright, which ccheney will add in the next (and hopefully final!) OOo upload
[16:14]  * slangasek nods
[16:14] <slangasek> kubuntu EOL> still to be addressed
[16:14] <slangasek> [TOPIC] QA Team
[16:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA Team
[16:15] <marjo> Hardware testing:
[16:15] <marjo> http://people.canonical.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html
[16:15] <marjo> Netbooks
[16:15] <marjo>    passed:      10 (91%)        failed:      0  ( 0%)  untested:  1  ( 9%)
[16:15] <marjo> Laptops:
[16:15] <marjo>    passed:      26 (96%)        failed:      0  ( 0%)   untested:    1  ( 4%)
[16:15] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html
[16:15] <marjo> Servers:
[16:15] <marjo>    passed:      42 (91%)        failed:      0  ( 0%)   untested:    4  ( 9%)
[16:15] <marjo> Desktops
[16:15] <marjo>    passed:      10 (100%)       failed:      0  (  0%)  untested:    0  (  0%)
[16:15] <marjo> current test results look good
[16:15] <marjo> that's it for QA
[16:16] <pitti> wow
[16:16] <pitti> 0 failures?
[16:16] <slangasek> we're still waiting on checkbox results from the NC10?
[16:17] <fader> slangasek: Correct; manjo still has that hardware and just finished bugfixing
[16:17] <fader> (as of yesterday)
[16:17] <marjo> pitti: once we get manjo's results, we'll get another 100%
[16:18] <slangasek> presumably :)
[16:18]  * fader keeps his fingers crossed.
[16:18]  * pitti knocks on wood
[16:18] <marjo> slangasek: positive thinking man!
[16:19] <slangasek> marjo: are there any bugs that are coming to QA's attention that you're concerned about for the release, that haven't yet been targeted?
[16:19] <marjo> none that i'm aware of
[16:19] <marjo> your critical bugs seem appropriate
[16:20] <slangasek> ok, great
[16:20] <slangasek> if you notice anything we're overlooking, please yell :)
[16:20] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Desktop Team
[16:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  Desktop Team
[16:20] <marjo> you bet!
[16:21] <pitti> This week the PolicyKit-1 migration was completed with the upload of checkbox. We also got some bug fix releases of the X.org stack, humanity icon theme, and a flood of bug fixes for fixing highly visible bugs such as the broken handling of music players.
[16:21] <pitti> The artwork copyright situation finally got resolved, after much internal discussion.
[16:21] <pitti> RC bug fixing went on with full speed, with good results, but they keep coming...
[16:21] <pitti> Notable planned change: Next Monday the new GNOME point release is due, and we traditionally squeezed that into final (and so far managed to do so). We'll put extra resources into getting it all uploaded and working on Monday.
[16:21] <slangasek> sounds good
[16:21] <pitti> as usual, detailled bug status is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus (also two new ones which weren't on the meeting invite list yet)
[16:21] <slangasek> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:21] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:22] <Riddell> Kubuntu has made very pleasing progress on RC bugs, issues with KDM, openoffice, Qt, translations all sorted
[16:22] <Riddell> two notable ones on my radar still
[16:22] <Riddell> upgrade from hardy broken, bug 452090, mvo says it's an issue with apt, not sure if any more is known
[16:23] <Riddell> apps launcher on kubuntu netbook keeps breaking, bug  446905, ScottK has narrowed with down to some recently change in kdelibs so it shouldn't be too hard to narrow it down to what actually caused the problem
[16:24] <Riddell> oh and we did a late upgrade of sip/python-qt due to licencing change which broke pykde for a while but that should be sorted now
[16:24] <pitti> Riddell: ^ I tested it with apport and jockey, WFM again
[16:24] <pitti> thanks for sorting that out
[16:24] <pitti> Riddell: there's also bug 339313 open still
[16:24] <slangasek> hmm, so 452090 probably needs resolved / worked around before we do a kubuntu 8.04 EOL announcement
[16:25] <pitti> is that direct hardy->karmic, or hardy->jaunty->karmic?
[16:25] <Riddell> pitti: mm, is an upstream issue really but yes it would be very nice to have fixed
[16:25] <pitti> (hardy->jaunty was supported, right?)
[16:25] <slangasek> pitti: right, though that's effectively degenerated into a metabug
[16:25] <Riddell> pitti: hardy->karmic
[16:25] <Riddell> slangasek: I'm hoping mvo can look into it, I don't know if anyone else is familiar enough with apt
[16:26] <pitti> Riddell: you said that we could probably close 339313 and open another one for the remaining (corner?) case?
[16:26] <Riddell> pitti: oh yes, I should do that
[16:26] <slangasek> Riddell: fwiw, I was pinged directly yesterday by the minirok upstream about the python-qt upgrade breaking that package due to incompatibilities; I sponsored in a quick bugfix-only release, but you guys might want to be aware and look around for other breakage in the reverse-deps
[16:26] <pitti> it became too much of a dumping ground
[16:27] <pitti> "Minirok" *chuckle*
[16:27] <Riddell> slangasek: ok I didn't know that, we will be testing pyqt bits closely
[16:27] <slangasek> pitti, Riddell: yes, having a clean bug for that issue would be nice :)
[16:28] <pitti> any questions wrt. desktop?
[16:29] <slangasek> none from me
[16:29] <slangasek> [TOPIC] DX Team
[16:29] <MootBot> New Topic:  DX Team
[16:29] <slangasek> pitti, Riddell: thanks
[16:29] <slangasek> davidbarth: hi
[16:29] <davidbarth> hi
[16:29] <davidbarth> the report is up at the usual location:
[16:29] <davidbarth> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/KarmicReleaseStatus
[16:30] <davidbarth> of note this week
[16:30] <slangasek> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/KarmicReleaseStatus
[16:30] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/KarmicReleaseStatus
[16:30] <davidbarth> all bugs on the radar fixed, mostly by the last xsplash upload on thursday
[16:30] <davidbarth> n-osd: no upload however on Thursday, but we still have bugs
[16:31] <davidbarth> and now fixes, mostly for the last crashers that were reported
[16:31] <davidbarth> as of this afternoon all the critical ones are fix committed
[16:31] <davidbarth> we're also reviewing icon mappings to add missing symlinks to notify-osd-icons
[16:32] <davidbarth> to remap nm or gpm notification icons to the new ones provided specifically for n-osd
[16:32]  * ScottK is here now.
[16:32] <davidbarth> this is tracked as #453066
[16:32] <pitti> oh, they are still wrong in some cases?
[16:32] <slangasek> I see mention of a pending change regarding notify-osd icons; it's already quite late to be making such changes, since that's a UI Freeze exception - how much is changing, and when is that expected to land?
[16:32] <Riddell> agateau had an issue in the Kubuntu patches he wanted to fix to make the message indicator consisten with gnome in showing apps rather than toggle show/hide, so patches for that may appear soon.  I said they should be easily readable and tested in a PPA first
[16:33] <davidbarth> Riddell: yes too, next line on the report ;)
[16:33] <lool> (I added links to the bugs on the wiki page)
[16:33] <Riddell> sorry davidbarth, I'm stealing your moment of glory :)
[16:33] <davidbarth> slangasek: i'll have a list by the end of the afternoon
[16:33] <slangasek> ok
[16:34] <davidbarth> slangasek: that's mostly regressions AFAICT, but i do a full review to make sure of that
[16:34] <davidbarth> icon naming is always a pain
[16:34] <davidbarth> Riddell: np
[16:34] <slangasek> even if they're regressions, at this point in the cycle we need to coordinate with the docs team so they know what's changing that may affect their screenshots
[16:35] <davidbarth> Riddell: i think the change makes sense on both desktop, but i know that for users of systray status icons the toggle mode was a welcome change
[16:35] <davidbarth> slangasek: yep, i know, i already had to ping them about another change earlier :-(
[16:36] <davidbarth> last there is a low prio rhythmbox bug
[16:37] <davidbarth> but it unearthed a quirk in our API compatibility
[16:37] <davidbarth> that's it mostly
[16:37] <davidbarth> questions?
[16:37] <slangasek> none here; anyone else?
[16:37] <lool> Any planned bug fix release?
[16:38] <davidbarth> n-osd around tuesday
[16:38] <lool> Ok; thanks
[16:38] <davidbarth> ie, the set of patches should be ready by then
[16:39] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Mobile Team
[16:39] <MootBot> New Topic:  Mobile Team
[16:39] <slangasek> davidbarth: thanks
[16:39] <lool> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic
[16:39] <lool> Overview of overall status (more details since we're close to release):
[16:39] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic
[16:39] <lool> * UNR: good shape * wubi still needs testing * we'd like to SRU [[Bug:447886|#447886: On startup Gnome Keyring asks for password in the background]]
[16:39] <lool> * general armel stuff
[16:39] <lool>   * toolchain not fully fixed, other issues crept in
[16:39] <lool>   * openoffice needs an upload for copyright fix and preferably against latest toolchain
[16:39] <lool> * armel+mx51: ok
[16:39] <lool>   * SATA I/O errors are a bit ugly
[16:39] <lool>   * should rebuild some packages now that the PIC issue is fixed
[16:39] <lool>   * need to test Babbage 2.0 again
[16:39] <lool> * armel+dove: ok
[16:40] <lool>   * Installation is very slow, I/O errors during install; slightly worrying
[16:40] <lool>   * Need to update installation instructions to cover bootrom update; should get last uboot next week
[16:40] <lool>   * Work ongoing to support manual partitioning correctly (partman-uboot); need to finish changes in ubiquity
[16:40] <lool>   * need to drop mem= from kernel flags
[16:40] <lool> * Ubuntu Moblin Remix: ok
[16:40] <lool>   * installation issues are all believed to be fixed but need testing; the APT error might have reappeared
[16:41] <lool> (does someone know whether wubi is supposed to work ATM?  I got reports that it was only fixed for some people)
[16:41] <davmor2> lool: kinda but not properly.  No more grub issue
[16:42] <davidbarth> lool: is there something we can do fo #447886 in netbook-launcher? this one is a nasty usability bug...
[16:42] <slangasek> lool: the list of milestoned bugs on that page is a bit difficult to read, fixed bugs are mixed in with open ones; could that be cleaned up next week?
[16:42] <lool> davidbarth: Well I suggested that netbook-launcher should foreground all existing real windows at the end of startup
[16:42] <lool> slangasek: I drop them when they are fixed; I will try to sort them next time, sorry
[16:43] <slangasek> which packages are you wanting rebuilt for PIC?
[16:43] <lool> (I keep them only for one more week when they are fixed)
[16:43] <lool> slangasek: I wanted to rerun my script on a desktop install now that uploads have calmed down
[16:43] <slangasek> ok
[16:43] <lool> (doko suggested that if I were to push rebuild-only uploads, it would hurt slow arches)
[16:44] <lool> davidbarth: But after discussion with njpatel, we found it a bit intrusive for final, so I proposed it as a SRU
[16:44] <lool> davidbarth: If you think we can fix it, that would be nice
[16:45] <davidbarth> lool: hmm ok, we'll take a second look
[16:45] <lool> thanks
[16:46] <slangasek> any questions on mobile?
[16:46] <lool> slangasek: I've moved fixed bugs at the top of the list now
[16:46] <doko> lool: well, not this point
[16:46] <slangasek> cheers
[16:47] <lool> doko: Yeah, that was last week
[16:47] <lool> doko: Now it would be ok
[16:47] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Server Team
[16:47] <MootBot> New Topic:  Server Team
[16:47] <slangasek> lool: thanks
[16:47] <slangasek> kirkland: hi
[16:47] <kirkland> slangasek: yessir
[16:48] <slangasek> kirkland: status to report on the server team? :)
[16:49] <slangasek> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:49] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:49] <slangasek> ttx sent me that yesterday
[16:49] <kirkland> slangasek: ah, yessir.  server team = cloud right now
[16:49] <kirkland> slangasek: which = eucalyptus;  things have come along very, very well
[16:49] <kirkland> slangasek: we do expect to file an upload exception today
[16:49] <kirkland> slangasek: we've been testing overnight
[16:49] <kirkland> slangasek: awaiting the feedback from Eucalyptus Systems' testing overnight, as well
[16:50] <kirkland> slangasek: apologies in advance for the upload
[16:50] <kirkland> slangasek: though it does solve all of our remaining release critical bugs
[16:50] <slangasek> "file an upload exception" - please bear in mind that unless there are specific doubts about the acceptability of the upload, it's preferable to do the upload and let it be reviewed in queue
[16:51] <kirkland> slangasek: understood; i'll get on that
[16:51] <slangasek> mathiaz: did you have anything to add?
[16:51] <kirkland> slangasek: i really want to touch base with the eucalyptus.com guys
[16:51] <mathiaz> slangasek: bug 451881
[16:51] <slangasek> (I see ttx designated you as the representative in his mail)
[16:51] <mathiaz> slangasek: found this yesterday - it's an issue with the uec images
[16:52] <slangasek> hmm, wasn't that bug fixed once before?
[16:52] <mathiaz> slangasek: well - it was in ec2
[16:52] <slangasek> oh, ok
[16:52] <mathiaz> slangasek: turns out that UEC is different
[16:52] <mathiaz> slangasek: EC2 is xen - UEC uses kvm
[16:52]  * slangasek nods
[16:52] <mathiaz> slangasek: so we may have to adjust things on UEC as well
[16:53] <mathiaz> slangasek: I've gone through the rest of milestoned bugs
[16:53] <mathiaz> slangasek: and other lists that ttx sent me
[16:53] <mathiaz> slangasek: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus is up-to-date
[16:53] <slangasek> ok, great
[16:53] <mathiaz> slangasek: as far as blueprint: server-karmic-ec2-release-process
[16:54] <mathiaz> slangasek: i think that smoser is now publishing automatically daily builds of uec images
[16:54] <ScottK> FYI, clamav may have a bugfix release a week from Monday, so it'll have to go to -proposed/updates, if it appears.
[16:54] <mathiaz> slangasek: I don't if that covers all of the blueprint mentioned above
[16:54] <smoser> mathiaz, is correct on that.
[16:55] <mathiaz> slangasek: that's all for the server team
[16:55] <slangasek> smoser: now that it's settled what we're publishing for UEC images, I still need to go back and finish integrating the index generation scripts
[16:55] <smoser> slangasek, i still have TODO of "publishing" a build from nightly to release
[16:55] <slangasek> and then we should do a milestone publishing dry run, yes
[16:55] <smoser> slangasek, unless you disagree with something, i think the current output is fairly good
[16:57] <slangasek> smoser: http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/karmic/current/ has no HEADER.html or .htaccess, I think we want that on dailies (and want to be able to reuse the same code for milestones instead of generating HTML by hand)
[16:57] <slangasek> smoser: do you have time Monday morning to work with me on this?
[16:57] <smoser> slangasek, yeah. lets do that.
[16:57] <slangasek> ok
[16:58] <slangasek> any other questions on server?
[16:59] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Kernel Team
[16:59] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel Team
[16:59] <apw> Overall kernel team status is summarised at the URL below, including the bugs called out in the agenda.  All of these bugs are either now fixed or pushed out to karmic-updates.
[16:59] <slangasek> kirkland, mathiaz, smoser: thanks
[16:59] <apw> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic
[16:59] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic
[16:59] <apw> We have picked up v2.6.31.4 plus some rfkill fixes for Dell platforms.  x86 kernel is looking pretty good so far, we have a couple of fixes outstanding for regressions (one affecting Huawei 3G dongles, and another affecting Protege touchpad), there are likely to be others by release and we expect to close those out by SRU shortly thereafter.  The mvl-dove and fsl-imx51 kernels are both looking very good, with no installer issues outstanding at th
[16:59] <apw> is time.  We just did an upload for the main kernel for a couple of udeb issues which close out debian-installer bugs as requested by the installer team.
[16:59] <apw> All of the primary release tasks appear complete.  We have reduced the kernel log level by default to suppress many of the chatty messages we otherwise see during the usplash to Xsplash lull.  AppArmor should now be feature complete, and the final(?) NFS bug has been closed out.
[16:59] <apw> ..
[17:00] <slangasek> apw: cjwatson brought bug #451872 to my attention late yesterday, suggesting that a kernel freeze exception was in order to be able to get this fixed for the installer; has there been any follow up on that today?
[17:00] <cjwatson> that's the udeb issues apw refers to
[17:00] <cjwatson> e100 and qlogic
[17:00] <slangasek> ah, yes
[17:01] <apw> yep, thats one of the two udeb related issues ... i uploaded a kernel with just those two fixes this lunchtime
[17:01] <apw> it appears to have been accepted and is building now
[17:01] <cjwatson> I'm waiting for slow architectures to catch up, and will then do a d-i upload
[17:01] <ScottK> apw: Did you get an answer yet about if we need a linux-rt upload or not?
[17:01] <slangasek> sounds good
[17:01] <cjwatson> well, most architectures actually
[17:02] <apw> i've not heard back from themuso as yet
[17:02] <ScottK> slangasek: Could we have an action for apw to check if linux-rt needs an update now?
[17:02] <slangasek> [ACTION] apw to follow up on whether linux-rt needs an update
[17:02] <MootBot> ACTION received:  apw to follow up on whether linux-rt needs an update
[17:02] <apw> ack
[17:02] <ScottK> I know you'll do it, but I want to make sure it's documented and tracked.
[17:03] <slangasek> ScottK: I don't have context for this, though - why is that an outstanding question?
[17:03] <apw> ScottK, thats fine ...
[17:03] <apw> it seems linux-rt may be on an ISO and may need the same fixes that we just did for x86
[17:03] <apw> for the installer ...
[17:03] <ScottK> slangasek: linux-rt is following linux pretty closely this cycle  and I want to make sure they don't need any of the bits that got affected by the late upload.
[17:03] <slangasek> apw: linux-rt isn't used in the installer
[17:04] <cjwatson> indeed
[17:04] <ScottK> OK.  I just want to make sure we close the loop with Ubuntu Studio.
[17:04] <apw> ScottK tells me there is an ISO of it, studio or something?
[17:04] <cjwatson> the installer for that ISO still uses the generic kernel
[17:04] <apw> cjwatson, excellent then we can likely say there won't be an issue there
[17:04] <cjwatson> we literally don't build d-i against -rt at all - it can't possibly be using it
[17:04] <apw> then we are good, we can close that one out
[17:04] <cjwatson> yes
[17:05] <ScottK> OK.
[17:05] <apw> thanks ScottK for bringing it up
[17:05] <slangasek> anything else on the kernel front?
[17:05] <apw> i am done
[17:05] <slangasek> I was happy to see that the Dell rfkill fixes also fixed my ThinkPad just enough to let me close out the wireless hotkey regression :)
[17:06] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Security Team
[17:06] <slangasek> apw: thanks
[17:06] <jdstrand> o/
[17:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security Team
[17:06] <slangasek> jdstrand: hi
[17:06] <jdstrand> our release status page is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus
[17:06] <jdstrand> just a couple of things today:
[17:06] <jdstrand> bug #446524
[17:06] <jdstrand> mdeslaur and jj are working on it
[17:07] <slangasek> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus
[17:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus
[17:07] <jdstrand> bug #452057
[17:07] <jdstrand> that one was just accepted this morning
[17:07] <jdstrand> and the other one is bug #434084
[17:07] <kees> tresys said they'd have something for us to test/validate on monday for the selinux issue.
[17:07] <jdstrand> kees wanted to talk about that one
[17:08] <kees> but since it's unseeded, it shouldn't be a problem, and ought to only apply to unseeded universe packages.  I'd like to suggest we drop it from our release-team watch list.
[17:08] <jdstrand> I'm cool with that. it was there only to make sure it didn't get dropped
[17:08] <slangasek> ok
[17:09] <jdstrand> other than that, you can see our ReleaseStatus page
[17:09] <slangasek> right - thanks
[17:09] <slangasek> any questions for security?
[17:09] <jdstrand> sure
[17:10] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Foundations Team
[17:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  Foundations Team
[17:10] <slangasek> jdstrand, kees: thanks again
[17:10] <slangasek> cjwatson: hi
[17:10] <cjwatson> hi, I'll keep it briefe
[17:10] <cjwatson> with added e apparently
[17:11] <cjwatson> *lots* of mountall fixes this week from Scott, so we're down to just a few remaining bits
[17:11] <cjwatson> main things left that I think we *have* to fix are:
[17:11] <cjwatson> bug 440281 (d-i clock setup is wrong; this is mine, been waiting too long so I will aim to close this out today)
[17:11] <cjwatson> bug 431993 (preserve-home installs delete too many files; evand just uploaded this)
[17:11] <cjwatson> bug 446596 (fsck splash integration; Keybuk was working on this last night)
[17:11] <cjwatson> a recent regression that means everyone gets an "incomplete language support" message on installation, for which there is a bug but I have forgotten the number
[17:11] <cjwatson> and possibly bug 434173 (account for new language-support organisation in update-manager), although I think mvo may be too overloaded for that so it may be an SRU item
[17:12] <cjwatson> ah yes, bug 452516
[17:13] <slangasek> is that it, then?
[17:13] <cjwatson> all from me
[17:14] <cjwatson> sorry I'm disorganised this week, been in a customer project that's taking a lot of time
[17:14]  * slangasek nods
[17:14] <slangasek> lool also asked about wubi earlier; are we in better shape now with that?
[17:15] <cjwatson> oh, sorry
[17:15] <cjwatson> half of wubi is fixed; we are no longer seeing random write problems that mean grub sometimes doesn't work
[17:15] <cjwatson> however, there is still a mysterious partitioner hang which we're working
[17:16] <cjwatson> it's very tedious to debug wubi which is why it's taking so long :-/
[17:16]  * slangasek nods
[17:16] <cjwatson> but at least there is, I think, no longer suspicion that the filesystem is busted
[17:16] <lool> thanks for the update
[17:16] <slangasek> that's a relief
[17:17] <cjwatson> I regret to say that I am not exactly certain what fixed it, though
[17:17] <cjwatson> so we'll need to keep an eye on things
[17:18] <slangasek> any other questions for foundations?
[17:19] <slangasek> [TOPIC] MOTU
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[17:19] <slangasek> cjwatson: thanks
[17:19] <slangasek> ScottK: hi
[17:19] <ScottK> Hi
[17:20] <ScottK> We got Universe freeze timing announced https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-October/000634.html
[17:20] <ScottK> FTBFS is still a concern.
[17:20] <ScottK> The other bug question is Maven.
[17:21] <ScottK> sistpoty and I just wrote doko a blank check to give it another shot
[17:21] <ScottK> http://people.canonical.com/~doko/ubuntu-diff/status/maven.html
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[17:21] <ScottK> Apparently a lot of people want this and so I'd rather push foward and try even if we end up having to do some SRUs if it doesn't end well.
[17:21] <ScottK> That's all I have.
[17:22] <doko> if the first build succeeds, it much depends on having lamont the time to redo that on a buildd
[17:22] <pitti> I recently did a lot of syncs etc. for maven; so these weren't enough?
[17:22] <doko> no
[17:22] <slangasek> SRUs> no objections, then
[17:22] <pitti> ah, right, the bootstrap, I remember
[17:22] <ScottK> SRUs or last minute removals.
[17:23] <ScottK> There is a consensus among the people who want maven that no maven is better than the broken one we have now.
[17:23] <slangasek> I've been fixing a number of incidental FTBFSes in universe as I clean up NBS, but I guess that makes me one of the few people to meet my 5.8 FTBFS fix quota :)
[17:24] <ScottK> I've been doing one or two a day, but this week's being hell for me for $WORK, so I didn't get to it.
[17:24] <doko> then my quota should be >20, including the -1 for fltk1.1 ;)
[17:24] <slangasek> doko: that just means you did someone else's quota, and they owe you cookies at UDS
[17:25] <slangasek> anything else for MOTU?
[17:25] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[17:25] <slangasek> anything else at all?
[17:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[17:25] <slangasek> (ScottK: thanks)
[17:26] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[17:26] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:26.
[17:26] <slangasek> right, back to polishing :)
[17:26] <slangasek> thanks, all
[17:26] <pitti> thanks all