[00:00] <dtchen> can you point me to a VCS?
[00:00] <dtchen> i can't look ATM, but i can look this weekend
[00:00] <nemo> dtchen: NULL thus default, thus pulseaudio
[00:00] <nemo> dtchen: it behaves identically in pulseaudio as the SDL/ALSA case
[00:00] <dtchen> sorry, i meant in terms of backend source code. Is your openal backend using ALSA?
[00:00] <nemo> dtchen: nope
[00:01] <dtchen> uhh!
[00:01] <nemo> dtchen: evice = alcOpenDevice(NULL);
[00:01] <nemo> er
[00:01] <nemo> device = alcOpenDevice(NULL);
[00:01] <nemo> dtchen: NULL means "pick default"
[00:01] <dtchen> nemo: pick _alsa-lib_'s default?
[00:01] <nemo> in this case, pulseaudio
[00:01] <nemo> dtchen: openalsoft
[00:01] <nemo> config is in /etc/alsa/
[00:01] <nemo> er
[00:01] <nemo>  /etc/openal
[00:02] <dtchen> ok, and what does openalsoft use? alsa-lib's virtual default def?
[00:02] <dtchen> ultimately, i need to know what openalsoft is using
[00:02] <nemo> dtchen: it'll use whatever you configure it to use :)
[00:02] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openal-soft/+bug/408406
[00:02] <dtchen> nemo: right, so where's the VCS?
[00:03] <nemo> dtchen: one sec, going to try forcing generic alsa instead of NULL, see if that helps
[00:04] <dtchen> nemo: if you do that, you'll need export PULSE_INTERNAL=0 and possible pasuspender
[00:04] <nemo> ALSA Software on default
[00:04] <nemo> dtchen: yeah. I tried pasuspender before - cuts off all sound
[00:04] <nemo> dtchen: we can already turn off sound in game for Ubuntu users...
[00:06] <nemo> dtchen: hardcoding "ALSA Software on default"
[00:06] <nemo> instead of using NULL
[00:06] <nemo> fixes 100% CPU in openal
[00:06] <nemo> dtchen: unsurprisingly since pulseaudio has haunted our nightmares for the past year
[00:07] <dtchen> as an aside, I love how people rant on PulseAudio but fail to see the nasty-arse bugs in ALSA, but I digress
[00:07] <nemo> dtchen: dude. I've repeatedly said I'm sure ALSA has a ton of nasty-ass bugs
[00:07] <nemo> that's not the problem
[00:08] <nemo> the problem is that pulseaudio, like so many pieces of software is in an imperfect world
[00:08] <bitwise_> hi, my kubuntu 9.1 install was working fine but since yesterday evening all i get is "gave up waiting for root device"
[00:08] <stpere> hmm, is it possible Mesa 7.6 is broken?
[00:08] <nemo> and, that our code worked, even if it worked in a buggy environment w/ poorly implemented features
[00:08] <stpere> I had visual glitch
[00:08] <nemo> and if pulseaudio can't maintain same level of reliability it should not be rolled out as default
[00:08] <nemo> only as a test option
[00:08] <stpere> then I downloaded the vanilla one from mesa3d.org and it works perfect
[00:08] <dtchen> nemo: not just that. It's that PulseAudio sits on top of a broken-arse ALSA, thus making everyone hate everyone else.
[00:09] <dtchen> nemo: in any case, it sounds like you already have a workaround, so what's the real question?
[00:09] <nemo> dtchen: well. I just found the workaroudn seconds ago :)
[00:09] <nemo> instead of disabling openal, we'll offer a toggle that ubuntu users can try, that will try the ALSA default
[00:09] <nemo> dtchen: we are implementing it right now
[00:09] <nemo> also looking into reliability of cross operating system device querying
[00:10] <dtchen> yeah, good luck.
[00:10] <nemo> dtchen: but yes. I know pa sits on top of ALSA bugs.
[00:10] <dtchen> i remember that pain six years ago
[00:10] <nemo> but unfortunately it compounds the problem :(
[00:10] <dtchen> nemo: and will continue to until we fix the crap in ALSA
[00:10] <nemo> until it doesn't do that, it shouldn't be rolled out. but not my choice obviously
[00:10] <nemo> dtchen: well sure. and once that crap is fixed, roll out PA
[00:10] <nemo> don't make a so-so situation worse
[00:11] <dtchen> nemo: I think that demonstrates a lack of understanding in how audio stacks progress.
[00:11] <nemo> dtchen: I'm just talking user experience here
[00:11] <nemo> dtchen: my own limited knowledge in audio has been stuff like cursing all the hundreds of ways mp3 encoding is broken
[00:11] <dtchen> nemo: firstly, it doesn't matter if PA is rolled out now or not. Hardware manufacturers continue to create broken devices.
[00:11] <nemo> but you know what, we friggen supported all those non-standard ways
[00:11] <nemo> 'cause if we didn't, users would have a bad time
[00:11] <FFForever> hi ya peeps, how can i find out why natulis is crashing?
[00:12] <FFForever> well i know WHY just not why?
[00:12] <nemo> so. yes. imperfect world. striving for perfection is not possible
[00:12] <dtchen> nemo: right, you get brokenness in ALSA, too; it's just more subtle
[00:12] <dtchen> nemo: for instance, instead of seeing the program segfault, you scribble over kernel memory
[00:13] <joaopinto> nemo, didn't you agreed on a past conversation that you were not qualified to determine the root cause of your sound problems ? Why do you keep on this destructive PA kicking sport ?
[00:14] <nemo> joaopinto: I came here to solve a problem, I did
[00:14] <nemo> joaopinto: then dtchen kept going, so I answered
[00:14] <nemo> joaopinto: and as I said to you at that time, I'm aware the root causes are deeper
[00:14] <dtchen> there's nothing to discuss, really
[00:14] <nemo> I was more concerned with what it adds to the mix
[00:15] <nemo> joaopinto: but feel free to frame it as you wish
[00:15] <dtchen> unless people are actively fixing the hardware ($) and the drivers, then we'll continue to be in a crapstorm
[00:15] <xcvbfghjk> If Linux didn't have any bugs, it'd be so cool.
[00:16] <pace_t_zulu> anyone here using karmic on a laptop?
[00:16] <xcvbfghjk> pace_t_zulu: Me.
[00:16] <nemo> pace_t_zulu: that's what I'm testing right now :)
[00:16] <nemo> Dell Latitude D610
[00:16] <pace_t_zulu> xcvbfghjk, your brightness hotkeys working?
[00:17] <nemo> it is my "sucky system" for testing game
[00:17] <xcvbfghjk> Eee PC 901
[00:17] <xcvbfghjk> pace_t_zulu: Yes.
[00:17] <pace_t_zulu> nemo, your brightness hotkeys working?
[00:17] <dtchen> sigh, the D610 was a piece of arse
[00:17] <xcvbfghjk> pace_t_zulu: Although my screen is broken.
[00:17]  * thiebaude my 9.10 fresh install works great
[00:18] <dtchen> don't get me wrong: most people quite love that hardware, but it has quite a few quirks required in linux
[00:18] <pace_t_zulu> anyone here know why the brightness hotkeys aren't working on a MacBook 4,1 ?
[00:18] <xcvbfghjk> My 9.10 rotten install works great
[00:18] <bitwise_> i'm trying to use karmic on a macbook but it only works for about a day then stops booting
[00:18] <nemo> pace_t_zulu: um. lemme check :)
[00:18] <nemo> pace_t_zulu: yep. no probs
[00:18] <nemo> pace_t_zulu: what's your graphics card?
[00:18] <nemo> Intel 915GM personally
[00:20] <pace_t_zulu> nemo, http://paste.ubuntu.com/295033/
[00:20] <pace_t_zulu> intel 965
[00:21] <pace_t_zulu> intel gm965
[00:21] <dtchen> any (un)lucky soul using an SB Live/Audigy?
[00:21] <FFForever> is this bad?, [   18.768188] type=1503 audit(1255732043.325:25): operation="open" pid=1273 parent=1272 profile="/usr/sbin/mysqld" requested_mask="r::" denied_mask="r::" fsuid=0 ouid=0 name="/sys/devices/system/cpu/"
[00:22] <pace_t_zulu> nemo... you get that?
[00:22] <dtchen> FFForever: not really, but you should probably ask for the apparmor profile to be updated.
[00:23] <nemo> pace_t_zulu: sorry. distracted with my audio problems
[00:23] <FFForever> dtchen, is there a way i can check why nautlis is crashing?, i know how to make it crash i just don't know why its crashing
[00:23] <nemo> in fact, that specifying of a device did not help :-/ we may have to go back to sdl mixer
[00:24] <nemo> pace_t_zulu: if you search on google, lots of people with your card reporting same problem
[00:24] <nemo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1197351
[00:25] <dtchen> nemo: why don't you set PULSE_INTERNAL=0 in the env and just open plughw?
[00:25] <nemo> pace_t_zulu: I bet there's bugs on launchpad too, have you looked? seems there's a suggestion to revert the driver
[00:25] <FFForever> how can i fix this?, http://pastebin.ca/1624364
[00:25] <pace_t_zulu> nemo that's pretty old that link
[00:25] <nemo> pace_t_zulu: comments are new
[00:26] <nemo> pace_t_zulu: bottom one is 2 days ago
[00:26] <nemo> on karmic
[00:26] <nemo> dtchen: that seems to work reliably...
[00:26] <dtchen> nemo: well, it had better
[00:27] <dtchen> if it doesn't, we have much bigger problems in alsa-lib
[00:27] <nemo> heh
[00:27] <dtchen> well, technically, alsa-plugins, but yeah, alsa-lib
[00:28] <smithna> I have a touch screen whose event# changes on each reboot, losing calibration, why wouldn't it use the /dev/input/usb/by-id/ link instead?
[00:31] <HoopyCat> hmm... after 9.04->9.10 upgrade, my usb thumbdrive mounts with the fmask set such that all of the files are permed 755 (basically, world-readable).  this is undesirable, as that's where my private keys and such live.  any nice way to override the umask/fmask on mount without futzing with /etc/fstab?
[00:37] <dragon> Can someone check in karmic if `whois -H example.biz` still shows a "Catastrophic error" near the end of the output?
[00:38] <bitwise_> dragon: yup it does on my kubuntu live cd
[00:38] <dragon> bitwise_: thanks, filing a bug for it.
[00:40] <dtchen> ick, loudon county
[00:40] <dtchen> loudoun*
[00:41] <Dr_Willis> HoopyCat:  automounting would not be affected by the fsstab.  You might want to try install/running the ntfs-config tool.
[00:41] <Dr_Willis> HoopyCat:  failing that i think theres some config files that set the default 'umask/dmask/fmask' options for the automounting of them
[00:41] <Dr_Willis> HoopyCat:  the move from HAL to whatever it is now.. has moved a lot of configs about.
[00:44] <HoopyCat> Dr_Willis:  i found https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/devicekit-disks/+question/85848 which is about exactly what i'm seeing... the stuff in /system/storage/* in gconf doesn't apply, and my googling seems to indicate it's one of those "there's no config for it; why would you want to change it?" things
[00:44] <HoopyCat> man, people always go and disappear on me :-)
[00:46] <FFForever> how can i fix this?, http://pastebin.ca/1624364
[00:55] <metalf8801> how do I add programs to the notification area? like Pidgin?
[00:55] <metalf8801> can that even be done?
[01:00] <Alan1> I tried upgrading to Ubuntu 9.10 from 9.04, the installation downloads everything fine, crashes during installing the distribution, and now my computer will not boot up (I'm running Ubuntu dual boot, neither Vista or Ubuntu will start).
[01:00] <Alan1> Whenever I boot Ubuntu it loads and then gets stuck at a black screen with one dash on the top left corner
[01:00] <Alan1> When I try boot Vista it just goes straight back to bios load and back to dual boot screen.
[01:00] <Alan1> Is there any way to fix this short of a reformat of the ubuntu harddisk? 		                   		  		  		  		  		  	   	 		   		 		 		 		 		  	 	 	 	 		  		 			 			
[01:01] <metalf8801> hmm maybe you should try reinstalling grub
[01:02] <ArkoldThos> grub problem D:
[01:02] <metalf8801> Alan: one sec I'll find you a how to
[01:04] <metalf8801> Alan1: here's some info on grub https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[01:04] <amgarchIn9> since update to 9.04 suspend to disk is not working, now on 9.10. This is the grub-1 cmdline: "root=UUID=... ro quiet splash" I dont see "resume" here is it not needed anymoer?
[01:05] <Alan1> thanks metalf
[01:05] <metalf8801> Alan1: about 3/4 of the way down you will find "You can try re-installing the grub using the Ubuntu Live CD, in two different ways."
[01:06] <metalf8801> I hope that helps
[01:06] <Alan1> metalf8801: done, i'll try reboot
[01:06] <metalf8801> good luck
[01:06] <Alan1> metalf8801: if all goes well i wont see you guys again for a bit :)
[01:18] <FFForever> BUGabundo, are you around?
[01:21] <BUGabundo> FFForever: yes, kinda
[01:22] <FFForever> any idea why when i drag files from a tar into natulis it crashes with this error?, http://pastebin.ca/1624364
[01:23] <Sia-> i use ubuntu without gnome.kde,xfce and want to upgrade iut to karmic, is that possible with commandline?
[01:24] <FFForever> Sia-, yeah
[01:24] <Sia-> how?
[01:24] <BUGabundo> Sia-: do-release-upgrade -d
[01:24] <BUGabundo> !upgrade | Sia-
[01:24] <Sia-> that is for server
[01:24] <BUGabundo> FFForever: no idea, really
[01:24] <BUGabundo> Sia-: its for ALL versions
[01:25] <BUGabundo> server and GUI are basicly the same
[01:25] <Sia-> i use ubuntu on desktop
[01:25] <Sia-> with X
[01:25] <BUGabundo> dude are you playing dork or something?
[01:25] <BUGabundo> you just asked for a cli!
[01:25] <BUGabundo> I gave it to you!
[01:25] <BUGabundo> now you start talking about GUI?
[01:25] <Sia-> but some guys told me like debian rename every jaunty to karmic in sources.list and do dist-upgrade
[01:25] <BUGabundo> pick your venon and keep with it
[01:26] <BUGabundo> that's PLAIN CRAZY
[01:26] <BUGabundo> not supported
[01:26] <BUGabundo> and WRONG
[01:26] <FFForever> BUGabundo, what wile i file that under for a bug
[01:27] <Sia-> BUGabundo, ok be not so offensive! i have X with fluxbox windows manager.
[01:27] <BUGabundo> FFForever: does apport fire up??
[01:27] <FFForever> no
[01:27] <Alan1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/295068/
[01:27] <BUGabundo> can you run nautilus under GDB?
[01:27] <Alan1> can i get help with this please? http://paste.ubuntu.com/295068/
[01:27] <FFForever> how do i do that?
[01:27] <FFForever> gdb nautilus?
[01:27] <BUGabundo> !gdb | FFForever
[01:28] <FFForever> XD
[01:28] <BUGabundo> !debug | FFForever
[01:28] <BUGabundo> Sia-: sorry. I'm very tired!
[01:28] <BUGabundo> trying to help, ppl that don't seem to want help
[01:28] <Sia->  i thnak you
[01:28] <FFForever> BUGabundo, is it an applet or application?
[01:29] <BUGabundo> cli app
[01:29] <luckyone> hello all, for some reason ath5k isn't loading automatically? is there anyway I can force that module to be loaded at boot so my wifi comes up?
[01:29] <BUGabundo> Sia-: please read the provided link
[01:30] <BUGabundo> luckyone: please take a look at launchpad. several reports for that driver/card
[01:30] <luckyone> BUGabundo: ok - I am just loading it manually for now
[01:30] <luckyone> and it works fine
[01:30] <luckyone> I don't see anything in dmesg
[01:30] <Sia-> BUGabundo, yes already , but some guys told me about the same way under debian, that is way  i ask her again. everything is done and thnx
[01:30] <luckyone> alright - thanks for the help
[01:31] <FFForever> BUGabundo, i mean is it a Gnome Application or Gnome Applet, or is this an xorg problem?
[01:31] <BUGabundo> Sia-: Ubuntu is NOT debian
[01:31] <BUGabundo> distupgrade will not work here as expected on debian
[01:31] <thiebaude> BUGabundo, i was about to say that,lol
[01:31] <BUGabundo> plus, as I said, that method is not officially supported
[01:31] <Sia-> BUGabundo, ok, is debian based disti, is not my point her to discussion about that
[01:32] <bazhang> Sia-, you read the upgrade link?
[01:32] <BUGabundo> thiebaude: Ubuntu: ancient african word for : User can't install debian /sarcarms
[01:32] <thiebaude> BUGabundo, haha, i love that
[01:32] <Alan1> can someone read this http://paste.ubuntu.com/295071/ and help me with repairing my boot?
[01:32] <BUGabundo> FFForever: I bet nautilus/gnome DLL
[01:32] <BUGabundo> err
[01:32] <BUGabundo> depency
[01:32] <Sia-> bazhang, yes but this way from usser make me unsure :) i know yet and thnx
[01:32] <FFForever> brb rebooting
[01:33] <BUGabundo> Sia-: do-release-upgrade is (should be by now) totally safe
[01:33] <Sia-> i do it and worked
[01:34] <BUGabundo> ok
[01:34] <BUGabundo> welcome to karmic
[01:35] <Sia-> any one her use gmail voice under karmic with pidgin?
[01:35] <BUGabundo> haven't tested it yet
[01:35] <Alan1> is anyone free here to help me with this http://paste.ubuntu.com/295071/ ?
[01:36] <PatrickStar> Karmic beta X server freezes up on me, but I'm not sure how to properly report the bug. I have a launchpad account now, and have put in a couple bug reports with the automatic reporting help tool that sprang up when something crashed, but that doesn't happen now as the screen is frozen and I have to reboot. It happens as soon as I drag something on the screen.
[01:36] <Sia-> Alan1, try to install GRUB 2 legacy
[01:37] <Sia-> or use LILO instead
[01:37] <Alan1> Sia: im not sure its a grub problem, i alrdy tried repairing grub, and it made no difference
[01:39] <Sia-> but alot of topic in ubuntu forums talking about grub problem during upgrade to karmic
[01:40] <Alan1> Sia: ok i'll try it again
[01:43] <BUGabundo> bed time guys
[01:43] <BUGabundo> see you tomorrow
[01:46] <KnifeySpooney> how do I automatically allow a default keyring? A popup to enter the default keyring for my wireless network comes up every time I restart.
[01:47] <aprilhare> hey
[01:47] <PatrickStar> KnifeySpooney: I'm not sure if this is the best way, but I think you can use Seahorse and set the password of the default keyring the same as your login password
[01:49] <PatrickStar> I think it is in the accessories menu named something about passwords, although "Seahorse" is in the about menu. You can right-click on the default item to edit it.
[01:49] <KnifeySpooney> PatrickStar: Do you mean change my network's password to the same as Ubuntu's password?
[01:49] <PatrickStar> no
[01:50] <PatrickStar> the default keyring password, which I guess is where the  network password gets stored
[01:50] <KnifeySpooney> Oh
[01:50] <KnifeySpooney> It's the same as my login one
[01:50] <KnifeySpooney> already
[01:50]  * aprilhare finds it interesting that when upgrading from jaunty to karmic, cheese wasn't installed - cheese-hildon was. still, changing back to cheese didn't fix webcam problem. i reported the issue for cheese - where else can i report it?
[01:50] <PatrickStar> ok sorry what do you expect from a dumb starfish?
[01:51] <aprilhare> issue=webcam not working
[01:51] <jimpop> PatrickStar, quietness
[01:51] <KnifeySpooney> i expected you to wear hawaiian pants
[01:51] <PatrickStar> yeah I forgot my pants again
[01:52]  * aprilhare reminds PatrickStar that wearing pants while IRCing is obligatory
[01:53] <HoopyCat> utoh
[01:55] <aprilhare> bbl
[02:01] <FeasibilityStudy> Hello, anyone having issues with AppArmor not generating profiles properly?  What I mean is, if you genprof and len logprof, nothing will save.  You get the same log messages over and over each time you logprof.
[02:08] <DanaG> grr, how do I get devkit-disks not to force me to authenticate every time I try to mount an eSATA drive?
[02:11] <jimpop> how do i stop this "wpa_supplicant[940]: CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS" from appearing over and over in syslog?
[02:24] <PatrickStar> Ok, so I found the answer to my question on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingXorg#Debugging%20Hangs%20/%20Freezes%20/%20Lockups so I will give a try to debug X
[02:27] <gotgnu> anyone have the problem of videos playing with a green tint???
[02:27] <gotgnu> they play the same in vlc and totem
[02:27] <gotgnu> flash is normal
[02:28] <gotgnu> which makes me think it could be driver problem
[02:47] <EruditeHermit> hey, has anyone here used the 64bit flash plugin?
[02:48] <Trizicus> has anyone had problems with deluge starting with iptables enabled? Does it need a certain port (i've opened up BT ports) but does it need mroe than those?
[02:51] <Trizicus> nevermind i think it is daemon port lol
[02:51] <Trizicus> we'll see
[02:53] <haven489> Im trying to install java onto my ubuntu 9.10, so i went to Sun java and followed there Tutorial there but i get stuck on the first part (linux newb) When i use the "su" command and try to put im my pa$$ it does nothing
[02:53] <haven489> any help?
[02:56] <bazhang> he quit
[02:56] <bazhang> haven489, use sudo
[02:56] <ibuclaw> o/
[02:56] <nemo> haven489: yo
[02:57] <nemo> haven489: just use synaptic package manager
[02:57] <haven489> bazhang, tried it gave me the commands that has its usage
[02:57] <nemo> haven489: if you're a newbie, really is easiest
[02:57] <nemo> haven489: type sun-java into search
[02:57] <haven489> Nemo: ill try
[02:58] <nemo> haven489: then install, oh, sun-java6-jre and sun-java6-plugin
[02:58] <nemo> (2nd one is for firefox if you want that)
[02:58] <haven489> Nemo: i am trying to learn linux
[02:58] <haven489> Nemo: well as best i can
[02:58] <jrglasgow> I just installed 9.10beta -- In the live CD the Network Manager was in the notifications area but one I rebooted after install NetworkManager is no where to be found... Any suggestiong?
[02:58] <nemo> haven489: browsing synaptic package manager is often good place to start
[02:59] <nemo> haven489: I bet if you had clicked on the find button and typed  sun java or java sun or even just java or sun
[02:59] <haven489> Nemo: kk tanks for the help, i just installed ubuntu to my compy cuz Windows vista sux
[02:59] <nemo> you would have found the package in the list pretty quickly :)
[02:59] <nemo> haven489: also. Applications->Ubuntu Software Centre
[02:59] <ibuclaw>  jrglasgow is nm-applet present?
[03:00] <nemo> haven489: basically a friendlier interface to synaptic right now
[03:00] <bazhang> apt-cache search package or aptitude search package work as well :)
[03:00] <nemo> bazhang: hey, he said he's new :)
[03:00] <nemo> bazhang: nothing wrong with starting with GUIs :-p
[03:00] <nemo> he'll get to that soon enough :)
[03:00] <bazhang> nemo, good point :)
[03:00] <nemo> I don't like reinforcing stereotype that linux is still at point of a decade ago :)
[03:00] <jrglasgow> ibuclaw: the binary nm-applet? yes it is present, and running.
[03:01] <ibuclaw> jrglasgow, then what is the issue? Just wanting to know what happened to NetworkManager?
[03:01] <haven489> Nemo, bazhang: works
[03:02] <jrglasgow> ibuclaw, how am I supposed to connect to wireless without the icon in the notification area?
[03:02]  * haven489 claps for Nemo and bazhang for there being awsome
[03:02] <jrglasgow> ibuclaw, I know I can do so with command line, but I didn't htink I should have to
[03:02] <ibuclaw> jrglasgow, you mean that it doesn't autostart on login?
[03:03] <ibuclaw> or is the icon just none-existent
[03:03] <jrglasgow> ibuclaw, network auto starts at login, but there is no icon to click on
[03:04] <haven489> all: does anyone know i good site for a manual or a tutorial for learning linux???
[03:05] <ibuclaw> jrglasgow, check  ~/.xsession-errors
[03:05] <bazhang> http://www.ubuntupocketguide.com/ haven489
[03:05] <ibuclaw> is there anything in there that relates to nm-applet? (if so, paste bin it)
[03:06] <haven489> bazhang:thanks so much for your help
[03:06] <jrglasgow> ibuclaw, ** (nm-applet:2910): WARNING **: <WARN>  constructor(): Couldn't initialize the D-Bus manager.
[03:09] <ibuclaw> jrglasgow, go to System->Preferences->Startup Applications
[03:10] <jrglasgow> ibuclaw, NetworkManager is there and checked
[03:11] <ibuclaw> jrglasgow, yeah, that is what I thought.
[03:12] <ibuclaw> seems that you are getting that because nm-applet is trying to make a connection when one already exists.
[03:12] <test34> I tried adjusting my microphone volume while in use (with skype) and it wouldn't let me anyone else noticed this?
[03:12] <jrglasgow> why wouldn't the one that already exist have anything in the notification area?
[03:13] <Hammer89> anyone here aware of issues with ubuntu 9.10 and ATI audio controllers? My audio controller is listed when I run lspci -v, but I have no sound and it only shows a "dummy output"
[03:13] <ibuclaw> jrglasgow, hmm, right click on the panel, and select "Add to Panel"
[03:14] <ibuclaw> jrglasgow, then add the "Notification Area" applet, as it may have been removed/renamed in the upgrade.
[03:15] <jrglasgow> ibuclaw, that seems to have done it - thanks
[03:15] <haven489> bazhang: thanks for the guide will read it through all the way
[03:15] <ibuclaw> no probs.
[03:25] <haven489> Question to all MAC vs Windows vs Linux state your opinions on em...
[03:26] <bazhang> haven489, please discuss in #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:27] <haven489> sure...just need opinions for a project
[03:35] <callnett> hi
[03:35] <callnett> big problem
[03:35] <bazhang> callnett, you haven't asked a question
[03:36] <callnett> i' allready here
[03:36] <bazhang> 'big problem' is not sufficiently clear
[03:37] <callnett> how can i install because i got for everithing just errors
[03:37] <callnett> ?????????
[03:37] <callnett> thanks for your help
[03:37] <CShadowRun> callnett, wait for release
[03:38] <bazhang> callnett, install how, what error messages, what did you try to install
[03:38] <callnett> ok
[03:40] <callnett> dpkg:unable to read file descriptor
[03:40] <callnett> so what can i do?
[03:41] <bazhang> callnett, please answer my questions
[03:41] <callnett> ?
[03:41] <bazhang> callnett, install how, what error messages, what did you try to install
[03:43] <callnett> bazhang: dpkg:unable to read file descriptor
[03:44] <bazhang> callnett, install what, and which means
[03:44] <callnett> bazhang: i try to install opera, skype, adobe player
[03:45] <bazhang> callnett, from where
[03:47] <callnett> from original places, opera-www.opera.com
[03:47] <bazhang> callnett, install flash from ubuntu repos
[03:48] <callnett> it is easy to say but please tell me how, from where
[03:48] <callnett> .......
[03:48] <bazhang> callnett, patience
[03:49] <callnett> ok, sorry
[03:49] <bazhang> callnett, you realize first that this is beta software
[03:50] <callnett> yes but is working for mi frends and for me not
[03:51] <bazhang> callnett, what does sudo apt-get update , then sudo apt-get upgrade return in the terminal
[03:56] <bazhang> callnett, did you have the paste.ubuntu.com error report?
[04:00] <callnett> i tipe in   at                  sudo apt-get update
[04:00] <callnett> callnett@callnett-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get update
[04:00] <callnett> [sudo] password for callnett:
[04:00] <callnett> Ign cdrom://Ubuntu-Netbook-Remix 9.10 _Karmic Koala_ - Beta i386 (20090930.1) karmic/main Translation-en_IE
[04:00] <callnett> Ign cdrom://Ubuntu-Netbook-Remix 9.10 _Karmic Koala_ - Beta i386 (20090930.1) karmic/restricted Translation-en_IE
[04:00] <callnett> Get:1 http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com karmic Release.gpg [189B]
[04:00] <callnett> Ign http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/main Translation-en_IE
[04:00] <callnett> Ign http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/restricted Translation-en_IE
[04:00] <callnett> Ign http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/universe Translation-en_IE
[04:00] <callnett> Ign http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/multiverse Translation-en_IE
[04:00] <callnett> Hit http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com karmic-updates Release.gpg
[04:01] <callnett> Ign http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com karmic-updates/main Translation-en_IE
[04:01] <bazhang> callnett, dont paste here
[04:01] <IdleOne> stop
[04:01] <callnett> Ign http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com karmic-updates/restricted Translation-en_IE
[04:01] <callnett> Ign http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com karmic-updates/universe Translation-en_IE
[04:01] <callnett> Ign http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com karmic-updates/multiverse Translation-en_IE
[04:01] <callnett> Get:2 http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com karmic Release [65.9kB]
[04:01] <callnett> Hit http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com karmic-updates Release
[04:01] <callnett> Get:3 http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/main Packages [1,357kB]
[04:01] <bazhang> !ops
[04:01] <callnett> Get:4 http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/restricted Packages [7,308B]
[04:01] <callnett> Get:5 http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/restricted Sources [2,913B]
[04:01] <callnett> Get:6 http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/main Sources [640kB]
[04:01] <callnett> Get:7 http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/multiverse Sources [117kB]
[04:01] <IdleOne> bazhang: he pasted it all his client can't stop
[04:01] <IdleOne> but he did have pastebin link
[04:01] <bazhang> IdleOne, but an op can mute him for a bit
[04:01] <IdleOne> true
[04:01] <bazhang> thanks tonyyarusso
[04:02] <tonyyarusso> (That should automatically revert in 10m - let me know if there's any further issue)
[04:02] <bazhang> callnett, paste.ubuntu.com NOT here
[04:02] <bazhang> aww he quit
[04:03] <bazhang> callnett, paste.ubuntu.com NOT here
[04:04] <bazhang> callnett, you open a browser and go to the site paste.ubuntu.com  and copy all that text, then save and give us the url
[04:08] <Nattgew> when gdm runs its postsession scripts, doesn't it wait until they're finished before shutting down?
[04:13] <bazhang> callnett, please discuss here
[04:13] <bazhang> callnett, use paste.ubuntu.com
[04:14] <bazhang> callnett, fine, please discuss here; give us the url
[04:18] <callnett> http://paste.ubuntu.com/295155/
[04:19] <callnett> bazhang: http://paste.ubuntu.com/295155/
[04:20] <bazhang> callnett, reading now
[04:21] <bazhang> callnett, now paste.ubuntu.com with sudo apt-get upgrade
[04:25] <macleodr> hi, I'm running 9.10-beta on a macbook. I just did a sw update that installed a new kernel (31-14-generic), but...
[04:25] <macleodr> during the update, the system kicked me out of X and seems to have left the new kernel messed up.
[04:25] <evilaim> can you boot with the old one in grub?
[04:26] <callnett> bazhang: http://paste.ubuntu.com/295166/
[04:26] <fluvvell> is it possible to upgrade to karmic on a cd via bash shell ?
[04:26] <evilaim> what?
[04:26] <macleodr> it doesn't find the initrd even though that file exists. yes I'm on the old kernel now. I'll check that link, thx
[04:26] <evilaim> fluvvell, I don't understand?
[04:26] <bazhang> callnett, choose Y
[04:27] <fluvvell> evilaim: upgrade a jaunty machine to karmic using the cd, via the command line not desktop
[04:27] <Hammer89> Howdy. I recently upgraded to ubuntu 9.10b... initially I had no issues, but after an update sound stopped working. It looks like my computer still recognizes my sound card, but when I go to change the volume it shows no hardware, and only a "dummy output"
[04:27] <fluvvell> is it possible?
[04:28] <evilaim> one tick
[04:28] <evilaim> yea
[04:28] <bazhang> fluvvell, using the alternate cd
[04:28] <evilaim> I'm getting him a walk through
[04:28] <fluvvell> bazhang, yeah i suspected that. Thanks.
[04:28] <callnett> bazhang: ok
[04:28] <bazhang> its ncurses based (text) so not really cli
[04:29] <evilaim> fluvvell: http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/9496/wtfyt.jpg
[04:29] <evilaim> shit
[04:29] <evilaim> wrong link sry
[04:29] <macleodr> any tips on getting latest kernel to go (sudo dpkg --reconfigure -a --didn't help).
[04:29] <evilaim> fluvvell: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[04:29] <evilaim> scroll down to "Upgrading Using the Alternate CD/DVD"
[04:31] <fluvvell> evilaim: image ????  but yes i've found that upgrading info page, just wondered if it *required* the alternate cd.
[04:31] <evilaim> yes
[04:31] <fluvvell> and it seems to.
[04:31] <evilaim> macleodr: hey buddy
[04:32] <evilaim> I might have someting for you
[04:32] <macleodr> great...
[04:32] <evilaim> I'm just looking for the link
[04:33] <evilaim> I used to have a ballin' archive of links that I lost:(
[04:33] <evilaim> ok
[04:33] <evilaim> which kernel are you using?
[04:34] <evilaim> the new one?
[04:34] <callnett> bazhang: it's still downloading..... 70 %
[04:34] <macleodr> no, I'm on the 31-12-generic now
[04:34] <macleodr> new one is 31-14-generic
[04:34] <evilaim> theres a freakin' -14 now?
[04:34] <bazhang> callnett, let it finish downloading, and configuring, dont interrupt
[04:34] <evilaim> alrighty...
[04:35] <evilaim> one tick
[04:35] <evilaim> sry, I'm just doing my updates, my pc is lagging
[04:35] <macleodr> np.
[04:39] <evilaim> ok
[04:39] <evilaim> found it
[04:40] <macleodr> yay! :-)
[04:44] <macleodr> I was also wondering if other people have managed to get virt-manager to work... I get stuck at "New", machine name = aaa then can't select - doh, never mind... seems I need an iso on a physical CD -ugh!
[04:44] <macleodr> any luck Mr. Evil?
[04:45] <necroforest> anyone have stability/freezing issues with 9.10?
[04:46] <evilaim> HAHA
[04:46] <evilaim> Shoot
[04:46] <evilaim> macleod
[04:46] <evilaim> my updates just crippled my system...
[04:46] <macleodr> sigh...
[04:46] <evilaim> DON'T DO UPDATES/UPGRADES!
[04:46] <evilaim> it looks like my gdm is froze
[04:47] <evilaim> ok
[04:47] <macleodr> yeah - I got booted out of X.
[04:47] <macleodr> and gdm froze too.
[04:47] <evilaim> it's sudo apt-get --reinstall <kernelpackage>
[04:47] <macleodr> you going to fix a bug report?
[04:47] <evilaim> let me mess with mine
[04:47] <evilaim> ya
[04:47] <evilaim> I'm going to fix this...
[04:47] <evilaim> haha
[04:48] <evilaim> brb
[04:48] <macleodr> good luck.
[04:48] <evilaim> lets see if I can even fix my own issue
[04:48] <evilaim> I might try and do a xorg-server reconfig...
[04:50] <macleodr> doing the sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-2.6.31-14-generic... and rebooting in 3, 2 1... brb
[04:52] <bazhang> callnett, finished downloading and configuring?
[04:55] <callnett> bazhang: yes
[04:56] <callnett> bazhang: right now
[04:56] <bazhang> callnett, so you can install normally and upgrade from within the package management system fine
[04:56] <callnett> i try now
[04:57] <bazhang> callnett, you just did
[04:58] <bazhang> callnett, now you wish to install skype and opera?
[04:59] <bazhang> callnett, for flash, you need to install the ubuntu-restricted-extras package
[05:01] <evilaim> Holy crap
[05:01] <macleodr> and I'm back in the latest kernel -14 - thanks evilaim.
[05:02] <macleodr> well?
[05:02] <evilaim> what?
[05:02] <evilaim> you got to -14?
[05:02] <macleodr> yes.
[05:02] <macleodr> u?
[05:02] <evilaim> with --reinstall?
[05:02] <evilaim> I was trying to trouble shoot the original
[05:02] <evilaim> got my ass busted down
[05:02] <macleodr> yes. the booted into server by mistake, then single user mode, the gui.
[05:03] <macleodr> ^the^then
[05:03] <evilaim> haha
[05:03] <evilaim> ok
[05:03] <evilaim> well, I guess I should try it then;)
[05:03] <macleodr> lol
[05:03] <evilaim> ugh
[05:04] <callnett> bazhang: r u still here?
[05:05] <callnett> bazhang: i love u , i love ubuntu
[05:06] <macleodr> love is a strong word for an OS....
[05:07] <callnett> it is
[05:07] <texnofobix> it is pretty cool
[05:07] <callnett> but, he can online fix mi computer
[05:07] <callnett> yehaaaa
[05:07] <texnofobix> i had to figure out how to use rfkill today
[05:08] <evilaim> OK
[05:08] <macleodr> texnofobix - what for?
[05:08] <evilaim> now I'm a lil confused
[05:09] <macleodr> why? (and is a bug report a good idea?)
[05:09] <texnofobix> macleodr: i had an issue with my eee pc and bt
[05:09] <texnofobix> my bluetooth wouldnt turn on
[05:10] <evilaim> MAN this is weird...
[05:10] <texnofobix> and i noticed it was fine in windows. I googled around and found out about rfkill. I then noticed that my bluetooth was turned off (soft)
[05:12] <evilaim> macleod, my advise helped you
[05:12] <macleodr> could be interestinng but I don't care about bt yet...
[05:12] <evilaim> and doesn't help me
[05:12] <evilaim> that's weird eh
[05:12] <macleodr> and it didn't work for you?
[05:12] <macleodr> (slow)
[05:13] <evilaim> hold on
[05:13] <macleodr> I think I also did sudo apt-get --reconfigure -a in the old kernel....
[05:14] <evilaim> OOOOH!
[05:14] <evilaim> Mine got gimped cause of my mods
[05:14] <evilaim> haha
[05:14] <evilaim> It doesn't like my modifications
[05:14] <evilaim> ok brb
[05:14] <macleodr> k, gotta go.
[05:14] <macleodr> night everyone!
[05:15] <macleodr> thanks Mr Evil! :-)
[05:16] <oorah> my screen brightness keeps flickering up and down. anyone else having this problem?
[05:16] <evilaim> ok
[05:16] <evilaim> all good again
[05:16] <oorah> huh?
[05:16] <evilaim> So, when people come in here, we can help:)
[05:16] <evilaim> I did an upgrade to the kernel...
[05:16] <oorah> yep
[05:17] <evilaim> and it completely gimped the crap outta me
[05:17] <oorah> anyone else having the screen brightness flickering problem?
[05:17] <evilaim> not me
[05:17] <evilaim> did you do an upgrade?
[05:17] <oorah> every day
[05:17] <evilaim> ya, this new kernel is causing all kinds of hell
[05:17] <oorah> i have an msi wind
[05:18] <evilaim> another chan I'm in for ubuntu support is having some issues too
[05:18] <oorah> hopefully it will be fixed
[05:19] <oorah> but if not its ok, only takes 12 minutes to install 9.04 again
[05:19] <oorah> i think everyone should use the betas
[05:19] <oorah> that would help with development a lot, especially with reporting bugs
[05:20] <evilaim> Well, I honestly think, if it isn't broken, don't fix it...
[05:20] <evilaim> if you have a system that works really good for you, don't upgrade.
[05:20] <oorah> i say if it ain't broke don't break it
[05:20] <evilaim> just do patches
[05:20] <evilaim> I break my systems all the time
[05:20] <evilaim> but I always fix them
[05:21] <oorah> i get excited about the new releases
[05:21] <oorah> wanna see whats new and improved
[05:21] <evilaim> like that time I tried to do a raid with a SSD and an external
[05:21] <evilaim> that was prolly one of the dumber things I've done
[05:22] <oorah> i did somethin stupid recently
[05:22] <evilaim> the idea behind it was good, but the bad idea was making it raid 0...
[05:22] <oorah> a few days ago i installed windows again just because i wanted to use the regular yahoo messenger, a couple days later i got so fed up with windows i decided its not worth it lol
[05:23] <oorah> whats raid?
[05:23] <evilaim> google?
[05:23] <oorah> the only raids i've done were in villages in iraq
[05:23] <oorah> and some cities
[05:24] <texnofobix> oorah: RAID
[05:25] <oorah> thats how he spelled it
[05:25] <oorah> sometimes i feel like i'm the only one with a particular bug lol
[05:25] <texnofobix> heh
[05:25] <oorah> still got screen brightness flickering problems
[05:26] <texnofobix> on what device
[05:26] <oorah> at startup for a long time after and when i try to adjust it
[05:26] <oorah> msi wind
[05:26] <texnofobix> hrmm
[05:26] <texnofobix> what driver does it use?
[05:26] <texnofobix> intel? ati?
[05:26] <oorah> i'm not sure probably intel
[05:27] <texnofobix> it shoudl tell you with a lspci at a command prompt
[05:27]  * texnofobix has the eee pc
[05:27] <oorah> intel
[05:28] <oorah> mine is msi not eee
[05:28] <texnofobix> yeah
[05:28] <texnofobix> does it flicker during grub?
[05:28] <texnofobix> or is it only in X
[05:28] <oorah> does intel have problems a lot?
[05:28] <coffeej> since updating to karmic beta, i have no sound. "grep Codec /proc/asound/card0/codec*" returns "No such file or directory"
[05:29] <texnofobix> this is my first intel video card
[05:29] <oorah> it flickers at startup for a long time and everytime i adjust brightness
[05:29] <omac> a couple of days ago there was some hoopla about eee ubuntu utils developer being frustrated.  I checked out his blog and there many words of thanks to his work.
[05:29] <omac> texnofobix:  have you installed the eeeubuntu utils?
[05:30] <oorah> does intel have problems a lot?
[05:32] <texnofobix> well to answer his Q, i did, and they dont work with the newest kernel
[05:32] <oorah> assumint it will eventually
[05:33] <oorah> *assuming
[05:33] <discord> can anybody tell me how i can watch dvds in vlc in 9.10. I already ran the libdvdread4.sh, however vlc says that it cannot read the disk
[05:38] <discord> helo?
[05:38] <evilaim> halo!
[05:38] <kblin> morning folks
[05:38] <discord> hey anybody playback dvd's in 9.10 yet?
[05:39] <coffeej> anyone find a fix for no sound after karmic install?
[05:39] <discord> did you try your headphone jack?
[05:40] <coffeej> the only option given is "Dummy Output"
[05:40] <texnofobix> coffeej: is your audio card in lspci?
[05:41] <coffeej> don't see it.
[05:42] <texnofobix> if its not there, the module is probably not loaded
[05:43] <texnofobix> maybe?
[05:43] <coffeej> hmmmm
[05:43] <texnofobix> what computer model make is it?
[05:43] <coffeej> hp/compaq d220mt
[05:44] <evilaim> eeew
[05:45] <fluvvell> further to my earlier question re: upgrading from cdrom - I don't have a going desktop, want to upgrade from tty1. gksudo won't cut it i'm afraid.
[05:45] <n3wb_sk> With Karmic my laptop does not come back from suspend. [using Kubuntu] Where do I begin to look for cause? It hibernates with no problem.
[05:46] <evilaim> this could be interesting
[05:46] <evilaim> I want a ttf font in my photoshop CS2..
[05:46] <evilaim> haha
[05:47] <evilaim> I have no idea how to do it, LETS RESEARCH!
[05:53] <texnofobix> evilaim: ?
[05:55] <eboyjr> I love the icon theme for Karmic.. it's beautiful. Anyway so can someone explain how xsplash works? I'm curious
[05:55] <evilaim> ya?
[06:10] <eboyjr> I don't want to start an argument, but I would just like a brief description of how Karmic and OS X compare for my friend :) Like the main features that are more prevalent in Karmic vs OS X
[06:10] <bazhang> eboyjr, #ubuntu-offtopic please
[06:10] <jimpop> OSX works.  ;-)
[06:10] <eboyjr> lol okay
[06:10] <eboyjr> but karmic is working great i love it :P
[06:11] <jimpop> it's getting there
[06:11] <jimpop> each day my issues list shrinks
[06:11] <kblin> for certain values of working great, I guess
[06:12] <eboyjr> Well all of you are ubuntu developers probably so you would naturally think it has more problems then it does :P
[06:12] <jimpop> here's my latest one.. usplash is broke on my laptop.  I've tried re-installing, but still no splash before xsplash and gdm kick in
[06:15] <coffeej> my soundcard is showing in lspci, but boot tells me the firmware is unavailable...
[06:15] <eboyjr> Well that's because Ubuntu has to be more general to different types of computers, while OS X only basically runs on one system
[06:16] <eboyjr> Oh I had another question I just remembered: What is the deal with the sound system in Ubuntu? I heard that there were problems because of pulseaudio or something
[06:18] <eboyjr> Alright nevermind i have to go
[06:18] <eboyjr> bye
[06:18] <jimpop> eboyjr, it's better
[06:19]  * jimpop reboots to try again to get usplash to work...
[06:21] <jimpop> hmmm
[06:22] <jimpop> if i specify MODULES=most in initramfs.conf then usplash works
[06:22] <jimpop> but if MODULES=dep then usplash doesn't work
[06:29] <MJEvans> What time are the current builds regenerated? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ lists a time... but I've no idea what zone that's in...
[07:18] <fluvvell> can anyone tell me how to reconfigure graphics for a new graphics card in karmic koala
[07:18] <fluvvell> ?
[07:19] <fluvvell> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does nothing anymore!
[07:26] <jimpop> fluvvell, start with "sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.old"
[07:26] <jimpop> followed by a reboot
[07:27] <jimpop> after that, if you still have problems, let us know about your new vid card.
[07:27] <fluvvell> I think I've struck a bug in karmic, I'm using an ati card and the screen is blank. confirmed at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/449631
[07:27] <fluvvell> ooh, nice.
[07:29] <fluvvell> if i could remember how to select a plain jane vga driver...
[07:32] <fluvvell> jimpop: doesn't make any discernable change. Blank screen with working mouse.
[07:33] <jimpop> fluvvell, might have to wait for the bug to get resolved.
[07:46] <Lunis> ok so I need to reinstall grub after an XP reinstall, but when i do the standard grub -> root (hdN,N) -> setup (hdN) it tells me it can't find stage1. I looked and apparently the new grub doesn't in fact have a stage1. so what in the world do I do? o.O
[07:47] <lucas_> hey guys, any ideas why i cant connect to my wifi with kubuntu beta??
[07:51] <Jordan_U> Lunis: Karmic uses grub2, you need to install grub2 on whatever LiveCD you are using to re-install grub
[07:52] <lucas_> Lunis: or just do sudo apt-get install grub && sudo update-grub && sudo grub-install and get reid of the stupid beta grub2
[07:54] <Lunis> Jordan_U: can I reinstall grub from a chrooted enviroment?
[07:54] <Lunis> how in the hell do you use grub2 to reinstall anyway?
[07:55] <Jordan_U> Lunis: grub-install /dev/sda
[08:00] <lucas_> no one knows why i cant connect to my wifi router with wpa on kubuntu beta??
[08:04] <Lunis> Ok so that half worked
[08:04] <Lunis> I'm at a grub2 prompt
[08:04] <Lunis> What do i type to make this boot just once?
[08:04] <Dr_Willis> i wonder if !grub2 has been updated
[08:04] <Dr_Willis> !grub2
[08:05] <Dr_Willis> No idea there Lunis  lets see whats in my grub.cfg
[08:05] <Lunis> Thanks :)
[08:05] <lucas_> Lunis: why dont u just install grub 1?
[08:05] <nemo> agh. someone killed the nvidia driver again
[08:05] <Dr_Willis> linux1: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-11-generic root=UUID=1e04193e-82d3-4283-989e-5411e0599690 ro   quiet splash
[08:05] <Dr_Willis> initrd/boot/initrd.img-2.6.31-11-generic
[08:05] <Lunis> Because i don't need or want to
[08:05] <Dr_Willis> Hmm
[08:05] <Jordan_U> lucas_: Why should he?
[08:05] <nemo> I wonder if it is the same problem as 2 weeks ago
[08:05] <Dr_Willis> /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-11-generic root=UUID=1e04193e-82d3-4283-989e-5411e0599690 ro   quiet splash
[08:06] <lucas_> wayy wayy easy to work with grub 1
[08:06] <Dr_Willis> initrd/boot/initrd.img-2.6.31-11-generic
[08:06] <Dr_Willis> are the 2 main lines.   set root=(hd1,1) is befor those.
[08:06] <Lunis> Ok so looks like 'linux /boot/vmlinuz....'
[08:06] <Lunis> Then an initrd line
[08:07] <Lunis> Then a simple boot
[08:07] <Lunis> What if i don't have a uuid?
[08:07] <lucas_> just type /dev/sdax
[08:08] <Dr_Willis> No idea about that. :)
[08:08] <Jordan_U> Lunis: You can use the standard device name or just get the uuid with "blkid"
[08:09] <Dr_Willis> set the uuid to 0001  :) to make it easier to rember with tune2fs. :P
[08:09] <Dr_Willis> proberly not a good idea.. but did that once ages ago.
[08:09] <Lunis> Blkid doesn't work for a grub shell
[08:09] <Dr_Willis> grub shell is not the 'bash' shell - correct.
[08:09] <Jordan_U> Lunis: ls -l
[08:10] <Dr_Willis> grub2 proberly has a command to find theuuid's but ive no idea what they are
[08:10] <Lunis> Looks like i got it
[08:11] <Lunis> Grub2 is made of win, truly
[08:11] <aprilhare> Lunis: is it worth upgrading or dangerous?
[08:12] <Dr_Willis> Grub2 is supposed to somehow allow booting of iso files.. but ive not seen that done yet.
[08:12] <aprilhare> 1. use firefox to web browse to http://webmineral.com/data/Anorthite.shtml 2) click on the name pronounciation graphic to listen 3) watch firefox crash..
[08:12] <Lunis> Aprilhare: to karmic, you mean?
[08:12] <aprilhare> Lunis: yes
[08:12] <aprilhare> karmic grub2
[08:12] <Lunis> Oh
[08:13] <Lunis> Depends on the person. Bleeding edge makes me moist
[08:13] <aprilhare> actually bleeding edge kernel under jaunty made my webcam work. doesn't work under karmic
[08:14] <Jordan_U> Dr_Willis: It can only boot iso's that support it, which makes sense because once grub through loading the kernel, the OS needs to know to look for its files in an iso file in a file system rather than the CDROM drive
[08:14] <Jordan_U> Dr_Willis: I think Ubuntu's LiveCD supports it
[08:14]  * aprilhare wishes zeroconf worked with karmic cups
[08:15] <Dr_Willis> Jordan_U:  yep - reading a guide now...
[08:15] <Dr_Willis> http://www.panticz.de/MultiBootUSB
[08:15] <Dr_Willis> shows how to set up a grub2 + a lot of iso files on a flash drive.. NIFTY trick :)
[08:15] <Lunis> Hmm... Update-grub2 alone didn't fix grub
[08:16] <Jordan_U> Lunis: update-grub just updates the grub.conf ( same as update-grub in grub legacy )
[08:17] <Dr_Willis> this has potential - if all new disrtos start setting up where they are  Grub2/boot iso file compat. :)
[08:17] <Lunis> Ah
[08:17] <Jordan_U> Dr_Willis: I'm not sure if there is a good guide for it but you can also have grub search for files to load, so you could just add and remove iso's and it would find them at boot
[08:19] <Dr_Willis> Jordan_U:  not seen that mentioned yet..  but that has potential also
[08:20] <Jordan_U> Dr_Willis: /window 11
[08:20] <Dr_Willis> Going to try that url i posted to make a  flash that can boot several diferent isos for my 'toolbox' :)
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> 11 channels open? :) gee i just got 2
[08:21] <Jordan_U> :)
[08:22]  * Dr_Willis needs a 32bg flash drive.. :)
[08:22] <Dr_Willis> or more.
[08:23] <Laibsch> I have a couple of connections in Network manager that I cannot edit even as root (sudo nm-connection-editor).  Does anybody have an idea why that could be the case and what I have to do change/delete them?
[08:25] <lucas_> Laibsch: i had the same issue, no idea why is that
[08:25] <Laibsch> lucas_: Still unresolved for you?
[08:25] <lucas_> Laibsch: yeah
[08:25] <Laibsch> OK
[08:25] <Laibsch> thank you for confirming
[08:26] <lucas_> Laibsch: now im fighting with my wifi connection :P
[08:27] <Laibsch> doesn't sound like fun
[08:27] <Laibsch> what problem do you have?
[08:27] <lucas_> it isnt at all
[08:27] <lucas_> well... i have an intel 3945 wifi card and for some reason i cant connect with knetworkmanager
[08:28] <lucas_> i was able to do it with gnome, but had the same problem than u
[08:28] <lucas_> couldnt connect to it manually
[08:29] <Laibsch> You are using KDE?
[08:29] <lucas_> Laibsch: maybe its somethign stupid, did u see if ur user is allowed to connect to the internet?
[08:29] <lucas_> Laibsch: yeah i am
[08:29] <Laibsch> Right-click "enable wireless" ticked?
[08:29] <Laibsch> I can connect
[08:29] <Laibsch> But right connecting to the net involves manual intervention
[08:29] <Laibsch> That was automatic just two weeks ago
[08:30] <Laibsch> bug 432777
[08:30] <lucas_> here happens the oposite
[08:30] <Laibsch> I don't understand
[08:30] <Laibsch> Do you have a tick for "enable wireless" or not?
[08:30] <lucas_> yeah i do
[08:30] <lucas_> the card is enabled
[08:30] <Laibsch> do you see any networks?
[08:31] <Laibsch> left-click
[08:31] <lucas_> i do
[08:31] <Laibsch> OK
[08:31] <lucas_> just cant connect
[08:31] <Laibsch> What happens when you try to connect?
[08:31] <lucas_> it doesnt do it
[08:31] <Laibsch> security-protected network?
[08:31] <Laibsch> Nothing happens?
[08:31] <lucas_> no error messages it just doesnt
[08:31] <Laibsch> Not even that spinning wheel?
[08:31] <lucas_> Laibsch: wpa
[08:31] <Laibsch> that's strange indeed
[08:32] <Laibsch> Anything in syslog?
[08:32] <Laibsch> Open a bug, I'd say
[08:32] <lucas_> ill restart and check again
[08:33] <Laibsch> wait aminute
[08:34] <Laibsch> lucas_: please do "find /etc/NetworkManager/|pastebinit"
[08:34] <Laibsch> and give me the URL
[08:34] <Laibsch> You may have to install pastebinit
[08:40] <aprilhare> so yes my preferences are borked.
[08:40] <aprilhare> just tested it
[08:52] <mortal> is there a torrent client which allows uploading/downloading with many interfaces?
[08:53] <shadeslayer> mortal: its actually up to the n/w manager
[08:53] <Dr_Willis> many interfaces? Huh
[08:54] <Dr_Willis> you mean  you have eth0 eth1 and eth2 all connected to the same router sort of thing?
[08:54] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: he probably means he has wifi and ethernet,both having different speeds
[08:55] <mortal> I mean, I have two links  a wifi and a physical ethernet
[08:56] <mortal> they go through different routes
[08:56] <Dr_Willis> wired would blow away wifi i imagine  in speed.. so its like adding a garden hose + a squirt gun. :)
[08:56] <shadeslayer> hehe...
[08:56] <mortal> actually no, the wifi link I use has 10 times the speed of my dsl line
[08:56] <shadeslayer> mortal: just choose the connection which has more speed....
[08:56] <mortal> in optimal conditions
[08:57] <mortal> but it would be nice to max all out
[08:57] <shadeslayer> mortal: then connect the wifi router to the pc using a ethernet cable
[08:57] <Dr_Willis> I find with torrents its not often about speeds.. but about slow and steady.
[08:57] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: so true
[08:57] <tntc> anyone know how to resize the buttons in metacity without generating a whole new theme? I just want my close/max/min buttons a little bigger for my touchscreen.
[08:58] <Dr_Willis> Only time i ever find a torrent thats even CLOSE to maxxing out my  cable modem is Ubuntu Iso images on release day
[08:58] <Dr_Willis> tntc:  i thought they got bigger with bigger fonts.
[08:58] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: :D
[08:59] <shadeslayer> do the daily builds actually work?
[08:59] <shadeslayer> the daily build CD iso's i mean
[08:59] <tntc> Dr_Willis: Wow! It appears they do... Is there any way to do it without my window titles looking hulked out though?
[09:00] <lucas_> ok i could connect to my wifi but had to unhide the network...
[09:00] <Dr_Willis> try the different font settings i guess.
[09:00] <lucas_> now i see i cant use kpackage manager....
[09:00] <shadeslayer> lucas_: its kpackagekit
[09:00] <lucas_> ok whatever
[09:00] <shadeslayer> lucas_: yeah,type kpackagekit in a konsole
[09:01] <lucas_> i can see packages and all but if i aply changes, it doesnt do anything
[09:01] <shadeslayer> lucas_: oh that... thats a bug
[09:01] <lucas_> confirmed bug?
[09:01] <shadeslayer> lucas_: kpackage kit actually doensnt install anything right now :_
[09:01] <shadeslayer> lucas_: yep
[09:01] <shadeslayer> =)
[09:01] <lucas_> hahaha
[09:02] <tntc> Dr_Willis: Meh, I guess just going from BOLD to regular did the trick :)  Thanks again. I'll have to remember that.
[09:02] <lucas_> ok
[09:02] <lucas_> ill use console then
[09:02] <tntc> and thus, windows breathed its last on this netbook.
[09:03] <shadeslayer> lucas_: yeah,i know,hilarious
[09:03] <shadeslayer> lucas_: try installing synaptic
[09:03] <lucas_> man im on kde and want to use qt apps! haha no sence installing kde for using gnome apps
[09:04] <lucas_> other thing is i dont understand why in the world they switch to grub2
[09:04] <lucas_> its still beta, its a really pain to work with it
[09:06] <shadeslayer> lucas_: yeah,that too.... grub2 is basically a improvement over grub1 in many ways (dont ask what the improvements are_
[09:07] <lucas_> i love linus torvals thought, JUST KEEP IT SIMPLE
[09:08] <shadeslayer> lucas_: whats so difficult?
[09:08] <Dr_Willis> grub2 can boot iso files if the disrto is set up properly : :)
[09:08] <lucas_> im having really hard time configuring all this, imagine someone who doesnt knwo a thing about console etc...
[09:09] <Jordan_U> lucas_: It's only 1.97 that's in beta, they have had stable releases of grub2 and according to the developers it's more stable and mature than grub legacy
[09:09] <shadeslayer> lucas_: yes,the first step is always difficult
[09:09] <Dr_Willis> grub2 also is more hardware-compatiable with the stuff out and comming out.
[09:09] <Dr_Willis> grub2 also allow for easier 'updateing' to new hardware/filesystems/other things.
[09:09] <Jordan_U> lucas_: What are you trying to configure?
[09:09] <Dr_Willis> many of the reasons we all switched from LILO to grub years ago.
[09:10] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: grub1 cant boot iso's ?
[09:10] <what> so....
[09:10] <Dr_Willis> shadeslayer:  No it cant.
[09:10] <what> Whats the package running when the livecd does lvm management?
[09:10] <Dr_Willis> grub2 can boot SOME isos IF the disrto is set up properly
[09:10] <what> I would like this in my normal OS
[09:10] <Dr_Willis> http://www.panticz.de/MultiBootUSB
[09:10] <lucas_> my laptop.. first wifi didnt work... then kpackage didnt work, then grub gui for grub2 doesnt exist and im installing a new kernel a lot of configuration files for grub2... and so on
[09:11] <what> lol
[09:11] <lucas_> keep it really really simple
[09:11] <lucas_> thats the key
[09:11] <lucas_> not all people are geeks
[09:12] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: your a life saver....
[09:12] <Dr_Willis> shadeslayer:  for what. :)
[09:12] <Dr_Willis> That url i posted is a little out of date.. some of the url's are wrong due to version changes in the isos
[09:12] <Jordan_U> lucas_: Install kernel, if it's a package an entry is added automatically and if you are compiling one yourself you run "update-grub", just like grub legacy. What do these non geeks need to do with boot any boot loader configuration files?
[09:13] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: i was thinking of downlading a RC ISO,im reinstalling Kubuntu 9.10,im on suse right now,i wanted to make a live USB,but now i can directly use the alpha 5 iso i have
[09:13] <lucas_> yeah right explain that to a noob
[09:13] <Jordan_U> lucas_: Explain what? What noob even needs to know grub exists?
[09:13] <Dr_Willis> shadeslayer:  or use unetbootin. :)
[09:13] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: doesnt work
[09:14] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: it never does....
[09:14] <lucas_> Jordan_U: ur right
[09:15] <Dr_Willis> shadeslayer:  odd.. its pretty much always worked for me.
[09:16] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: hmm... do you do anything after unetbootin is finished?
[09:16] <Dr_Willis> shadeslayer:  normally no.
[09:16] <shadeslayer> ok..
[09:16] <Dr_Willis> shadeslayer:  you can rename the ubuntu isolinux.cfg to be syslinux.cfg to get the default ubuntu menu items if you want
[09:17] <Dr_Willis> some box's i had to enable the LBA flag on the partition also.
[09:17] <Dr_Willis> I got one machine that wont boot ANY usb flash drive i try.. but it has bios/menu items to boot the things..
[09:17] <Dr_Willis> but its an old machine
[09:20] <what> O WOW -
[09:20] <what> Now that i'm used to this just a little bit, working with lvm's really is nice!
[09:21] <shadeslayer> bbl
[09:21] <what> It was attempting the full disk encrypted lvm encrypted /home setup that got me pumpin on it.
[09:21] <Dr_Willis> Stuff like that i tend to avoide. :)
[09:22] <Dr_Willis> had to many disasters in the past with that fancy-new-gizmos  like lvm and raid.
[09:22] <what> Dr_Willis: eventually the parinoia sets in.
[09:22] <what> lvm isnt new
[09:22] <what> But i never worked with it much personally other than doing a few installs. Really a perfect setup for multibooting.
[09:52] <Dr_Willis> w
[09:53] <Dr_Willis> its quiet.... tooo quiet..
[09:53] <snkcld> sup
[09:57] <slimjim> Hello all, I'm looking for a way to disable graphical booting on Karmic, any clues?
[10:00] <chris|> slimjim, remove "quiet splash" from the linux line in your grub.cfg
[10:01] <slimjim> chris|: thanks
[10:02] <slimjim> will this give me text booting or just the grub text menu?
[10:06] <slimjim> chris|: where do I find the grub.cfg file?
[10:08] <Dr_Willis> Hmm
[10:08] <Dr_Willis>  /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[10:08] <Dr_Willis> but DONT edit that file
[10:08] <Dr_Willis> edit the proper config files and rerun update-grub
[10:08] <slimjim> Dr_Willis: so how do I get rid of the graphical boot?
[10:09] <slimjim> ok so which is the proper config file to edit?
[10:10] <slimjim> why is it so hard to do, in Jaunty I just used the startup-manager and deleted the usplash theme, but it won't let me do it on Karmic, thats a serious bug.
[10:11] <Dr_Willis> slimjim:  what do you mean by graphical?>
[10:11] <Dr_Willis> !grub2
[10:11] <iamfossy> hi all , anyone has problems with avidemux 2.5.1 and pulse ?
[10:11] <Dr_Willis> grub boots to -> usplash, to xsplash to gdm......
[10:12] <slimjim> Dr_Willis: I mean i want to see all the daemons starting up ....OK etc
[10:12] <Dr_Willis> remove the 'quiet' option in /etc/default/grub i think
[10:12] <slimjim> no boot image at all
[10:12] <Dr_Willis> and use the nosplash option perhaps.
[10:12] <slimjim> i want ONLY text at booting
[10:12] <Dr_Willis>  and remove xsplash
[10:12] <slimjim> how? please?
[10:13] <Dr_Willis> remove the 'quiet' option in /etc/default/grub i think
[10:13] <iamfossy> removing quite and splash helps
[10:13] <iamfossy> you have to grub.conf
[10:13] <joaopinto> startup-manager needs to be updated to grub2
[10:13] <Dr_Willis> you dont edit grub.conf directly
[10:13] <iamfossy> thats the way , you've to edit grub.conf from nano giving it RW permissions
[10:14] <iamfossy> thats one of the way
[10:14] <Dr_Willis> thats the worse way.
[10:14] <iamfossy> :) i know , but it has come in handy for me
[10:14] <joaopinto> that is the wrong way
[10:14] <Dr_Willis> thats th windows way
[10:14] <slimjim> there's no /etc/default/grub at all
[10:15] <iamfossy> its in /etc/init.d/grub
[10:15] <Dr_Willis> !grub2
[10:15] <joaopinto> hum, something happened to grub on the last update
[10:16] <Dr_Willis> ls -l /etc/default/grub
[10:16] <Dr_Willis> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 796 2009-10-11 03:08 /etc/default/grub
[10:16] <Dr_Willis> there was a grub update i saw that.. havent rebooted yet.
[10:16] <slimjim> oh me neither
[10:16] <iamfossy> it worked fine for me
[10:16] <joaopinto> I don't have /etc/default/grub either
[10:16] <iamfossy> I don't have /etc/default/grub either
[10:16] <joaopinto> after the upgrade
[10:16] <iamfossy> yup i even rebooted , its all fine
[10:16] <Dr_Willis> did you do a clean install?  or upgrade?
[10:17] <Dr_Willis> weird...
[10:17] <joaopinto> i have a clean install, is the upgrade from yesterday
[10:17] <Dr_Willis> i just update/graded 10 min ago and saw the grub updates
[10:17] <iamfossy> guys , problem with avidemux any fixes : trouble initializing audio
[10:18] <iamfossy> i want to set audio output to pulse but theres no such thing in edit>preferences>plugins
[10:18] <iamfossy> version = 2.5.1
[10:18] <slimjim> on etc/init.d/grub-common
[10:19] <slimjim> but doesnt seem like there's anything to edit there in that regard
[10:19] <iamfossy> @slimjim what are you trying to find
[10:19] <joaopinto> he is trying to find the grub2 options file, which is gone with the latest update
[10:19] <slimjim> iamfossy: trying to disable graphical booting and getting ONLY text while booting
[10:20] <iamfossy> all config scripts that generate grub.conf present here /etc/grub.d/
[10:21] <joaopinto> iamfossy, right, but that is not where the custom config options are expected to be
[10:21] <Dr_Willis> and in /etc/default/grub
[10:21] <Dr_Willis> let me reboot aand see if mine vanishes...
[10:21] <Dr_Willis> brb
[10:22] <slimjim> i didnt reboot and its still gone
[10:22] <slimjim> i'll reboot see if it reappears, heh.
[10:22] <iamfossy> guys plz help me with avidemux
[10:24] <rsk> iamfossy: what's the bug?
[10:24] <iamfossy> trouble initializing audio
[10:24] <rsk> pastebin complete output
[10:24] <iamfossy> ok
[10:24] <Dr_Willis> I still have a /etc/default/grub here
[10:26] <iamfossy> @rsk no crash as such but in terminal it shows NULL AUDIO DEVICE , i can open videos but no sound come through it
[10:27]  * Dr_Willis installs avidemux
[10:27] <iamfossy> @ DR Willis , what installs ?
[10:28] <slimjim> Still no /etc/default/grub after reboot.
[10:28] <gurut> are there still boot issues in the updates or are they resolved after the FinalFreeze?
[10:29] <joaopinto> erm, wait, i do have a /etc/default/grub
[10:29] <joaopinto> gurut, what do you mean by boot issues ?
[10:29] <joaopinto> there is no relation between FinalFreeze and "boot issues"
[10:29] <gurut> I heard there were heavy development on the bootupprocess earlier this month
[10:30] <Dr_Willis> hmm
[10:30] <Dr_Willis> [Alsa] Using device :dmix
[10:30] <Dr_Willis> [Alsa]Error setting format.
[10:30] <gurut> Has that been finished, or laid to rest yet?
[10:30] <joaopinto> there was some development, but never got an unbootable system lately
[10:30] <gurut> ok, sounds good thank you
[10:30] <iamfossy> i'm loving karmic
[10:30] <gurut> trying to install and update to current from beta on my VB atm
[10:30] <joaopinto> slimjim, probably you dont have grub2 installed
[10:30] <iamfossy> its  a dream OS
[10:31] <rsk> you dream about it being less crappy? :p
[10:31] <joaopinto> lol
[10:31] <iamfossy> :) its still under development , you cant blame it
[10:31] <gurut> I love the new bootup, lets just hope that all the terminal outputs are killed when the final release is out
[10:32] <gurut> If it is, the awe will be widespread :)
[10:32] <iamfossy> i hate to install nvidia drivers on every kernel upgrade
[10:32] <joaopinto> there is no terminal output at the moment, but how does that make the system better ?
[10:32] <slimjim> iamfossy: two major issues still not solved in Karmic are the one of the slow USB transfer rates, and the iwl3945 driver bandwidth limited issue.
[10:32] <Dr_Willis> actually i see no more terminal messages any more.
[10:32] <Dr_Willis> used to see a few.. they are all gnone now.
[10:33] <gurut> it does not, bit its easier to convince windows lover when the screen dont scroll with bootuptexts
[10:33] <iamfossy> even i do not see any terminal msgs , anyone know the kernel thats on freeze
[10:33] <joaopinto> Dr_Willis, check CTRL-ALT-F8 :P
[10:33] <slimjim> joapinto: thanks
[10:33] <joaopinto> gurut, like windows users care about the boot process :)
[10:33] <joaopinto> if
[10:33] <gurut> Yes they do
[10:34] <gurut> its like the first chapter of a book
[10:34] <gurut> it has to be really good or the reader will put the book down
[10:34] <rsk> haha
[10:34] <iamfossy> @gurut naaa
[10:34] <rsk> how do you explain windows 90% marketshare then?
[10:34] <Dr_Willis> MS cared.. or else they wouldent of invent4d that silly feature where it asks touse your flash drive for a 'cache to speed up boot up'
[10:34] <Dr_Willis> :)
[10:34] <joaopinto> oh, so looking at the BIOS messages sploits everything
[10:34] <Dr_Willis> rsk:  mass insanity.
[10:34] <joaopinto> because actually on some systems the boot process takes as much as the bios init
[10:35] <Dr_Willis> it does take about as long for the bios to init.. as it does to boot to grub here.
[10:35] <Dr_Willis> err bootto GDM. :)
[10:35] <rsk> gurut: do you think a user went, oh this is my new pc i bought, let's boot it up. "oh this isn't to nice, maybe i should look for an alternative OS"
[10:35] <joaopinto> lol
[10:35] <rsk> ever, in history
[10:35] <iamfossy> chrome OS is coming up with a complete new writeup of code and concept
[10:36] <joaopinto> users don't care how it boots, they care how they use them
[10:36] <Dr_Willis> I will belive it when i see it.
[10:36] <iamfossy> everything matters for an OS
[10:36] <Dr_Willis> given how well trained users are to put up wth 'crud' in other os's.... they put up with a lot of stuff. :)
[10:36] <joaopinto> well, they care about boot time, because that's lost time
[10:37] <iamfossy> boot time is shower time for some users :P
[10:37] <Dr_Willis> vs 'having to reboot to install a joystick driver time'
[10:37] <joaopinto> iamfossy, right, 0,0000000001%
[10:37] <iamfossy> :)
[10:38] <rsk> they removed ubuntu cola from my store nearby
[10:38] <rsk> :(
[10:38] <Dr_Willis> rsk:  file a bug report.
[10:38] <rsk> actually
[10:38] <Dr_Willis> :)
[10:38] <rsk> they have a mailbox for suggestions
[10:39] <iamfossy> i reported my USB issue right
[10:39] <rsk> "hello dear store, i've been using you as my primry source of nutrition for a while and everything works great, except that you removed the Ubuntu cola from the shelfs, so please re-commit that fix"
[10:39] <iamfossy> it was solved
[10:40] <vivid> anyone know if i can remove or disable pulseaudio so i can get only alsa, which works perfectly for me?
[10:41] <joaopinto> vivid, which issues do you have with pulseaudio ?
[10:42] <vivid> the same issues ive always had, my mic doesnt work, it lags when i run wine, and causes far more problems for me than provides features i use
[10:42] <joaopinto> have you filed bug reports about those issues ?
[10:43] <vivid> yup, they tell me to check my configuration, when i ask what config files i should be looking at, they dont respond
[10:43] <joaopinto> ok
[10:43] <vivid> they say, check alsamixer, when i use alsamixer and unmute my mic playback, it works, but pulse doesnt pick it up, never has
[10:44] <joaopinto> have you tried it on karmic, there have been some major improvements to PA on karmic
[10:44] <joaopinto> ?
[10:44] <vivid> this is karmic
[10:44] <Dr_Willis> :)
[10:44] <joaopinto> have you set the input device on the sound settings ?
[10:44] <vivid> i can get it to work by changing the audio device profile
[10:45] <vivid> doesnt matter what i change it to, just changing it works
[10:45] <joaopinto> my mic was not working because the wrong device was set
[10:45] <vivid> when i close the app that uses the mic and re open it, i have to do this again
[10:45] <Dr_Willis> theres the answer.. stop closeing it!
[10:45] <Dr_Willis> :)
[10:45] <joaopinto> you mean, everytime you close the app, it changes the PA input device ?
[10:46] <vivid> no, when i close the app and start it up again, i have to go into audio prefs and change the profile to get pulse to pick it up
[10:46] <joaopinto> which app are you refering to, it can be a bug with the app with PA, and not about PA per si
[10:46] <vivid> any app that i want to use my mic with
[10:46] <slimjim> After installing Grub2 and editting /etc/default/grub (uncommenting the console booting option as it says) I'm still getting the splash image at boot. Please, how to I ged rid of this image???
[10:47] <vivid> steam apps, VOIP apps
[10:47] <joaopinto> slimjim, did you run update-grub ?
[10:47] <slimjim> joapinto: no?
[10:47] <Dr_Willis> You HAVE to rerun update-grub after altering configs
[10:47] <joaopinto> vivid, any native app ?
[10:47] <vivid> spux
[10:47] <slimjim> Dr_Willis: how do i do that?
[10:47] <vivid> for one
[10:47] <vivid> *anything* that uses the mic
[10:48] <Dr_Willis> slimjim:  just a guess.. but i bet 'sudo update-grub' :)
[10:48] <Dr_Willis> !grub2
[10:48] <joaopinto> touch $HOME/.pulse_a11y_nostart ; echo autospawn = no|tee -a ~/.pulse/client.con
[10:48] <joaopinto> f ; killall pulseaudio
[10:48] <joaopinto> the gnome mixer will stop working, you will need to use alsamixer
[10:49] <vivid> cant i recompile gnome-mixer without pulseaudio?
[10:49] <tgpraveen> !ubuntu-in
[10:49] <legend2440> can someone recommend a usb flash drive that definitely works with ubuntu. from what i've read in forums the SanDisk Cruzer with U3 can cause problems. any advice?
[10:49] <slimjim> Dr_Willis: thanks, I'll try rebooting again
[10:49] <joaopinto> afaik no, gnome adopted pulseaudio
[10:50] <joaopinto> vivid, pulseaudio is not just about extra features, PA is the future
[10:50]  * shadeslayer is back on kubuntu :)
[10:50] <vivid> joaopinto and ill be glad to use it when it works as good or better than alsa on my hardware
[10:50] <joaopinto> unfortunatelly I don't have the kno-how require to help you diagnozing your sound issues :\
[10:50] <joaopinto> vivid, pulseaudios uses ALSA
[10:51] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: your advice worked....
[10:51] <vivid> i know
[10:52] <joaopinto> vivid, for that, someone with the required skills will need to check the issue, disabling PA will stop being a solution on the long term :P
[10:52] <Dr_Willis> what advice? :)
[10:52]  * Dr_Willis has very short memory
[10:52] <[diablo]> sorry, but must say 9.10 is looking like its certainly going to be the best release ever... well done guys!
[10:52] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: unetbootin can be used to boot a usb drive
[10:53] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: and now im back on kubuntu,ive done a complete circle :P
[10:54] <vivid> joaopinto, pretty sure it will continue to be an option as long as pulse uses alsa
[10:54] <joaopinto> vivid, not when the other high level tools get integrated with PA only
[10:54] <joaopinto> like it happened to the gnome mixer
[10:55] <slimjim> OK, so I installed Grub2, I uncommented the console option in /etc/default/grub , I ran sudo update-grub, rebooted, but the image is still there.. Please, is there ANYONE that knows how to rid of this image at booting and get a text booting without ANY images untill I log in the desktop.. is it even possible on Karmic????
[10:55] <vivid> joaopinto when did they integrate pulse into gnome? 2.26? cuz in 2.26 i was able to rebuild gnome-mixer without pulse
[10:55] <shadeslayer> slimjim: ok,first of all what image?
[10:55] <joaopinto> slimjim, do you remove the quiet and splash options ?
[10:55] <shadeslayer> oh the splash
[10:55] <slimjim> joapinto: remove them from where?
[10:56] <joaopinto> vivid, http://live.gnome.org/PulseAudio
[10:56] <joaopinto> slimjim, from the grub options ?
[10:56] <slimjim> joapinto: the grub options where?
[10:57] <Amaranth> slimjim: /etc/default/grub
[10:57] <Amaranth> slimjim: but you can't get rid of the image with the progress bar
[10:57] <Amaranth> slimjim: well, you can if you uninstall xsplash but then you'll just see the Xorg root weave instead, not text
[10:57] <joaopinto> I assumed he was refering to usplash :P
[10:58] <Dillizar> hey does 9.10 comes with preinstalled eagleusb
[10:58] <Dillizar> ??
[10:58] <joaopinto> wha'ts that ?
[10:58] <Dillizar> for usb modem drivers
[10:59] <Amaranth> Dillizar: ubuntu doesn't even have a package called eagleusb
[10:59] <Dr_Willis> The image with the progress bar is XSPLASH you can remove that.
[10:59] <Amaranth> is it a kernel module?
[10:59] <bazhang> !find eagleusb
[10:59] <Dr_Willis> or you can edit the gdm configs to disable it.
[10:59] <Amaranth> Dr_Willis: you can but removing it won't get you a longer text boot
[10:59] <Dr_Willis> or just dont start gdm. :)
[10:59] <valgaav> joaopinto:  not everyone use gnome, and in kde pulse will not be the only backend any time in foreseeable future
[10:59] <Amaranth> like I said, you'll just see the root weave instead
[10:59] <slimjim> Amaranth: Why is that?? I thought most people use open source because it's customizable and now I see it isn't?
[10:59] <Amaranth> or a solid brown color or something
[10:59] <Amaranth> slimjim: because X starts before the boot is finished
[10:59] <Dr_Willis> if you want to see all the messages scroll by.. disable gdm i guess..
[11:00] <slimjim> anyway i'd rather get the x boot
[11:00] <Amaranth> so X hides your boot messages
[11:00] <joaopinto> valgaav, right, so people will just change their windows manager because of the sound backend ?
[11:00] <Dr_Willis> Not sure why you really need to see all the messages.. unless theres an error
[11:00] <Dillizar> bazhang with cable internet when i put the usb modem works but when i put the dsl modem usb doesnt work i googled it and said i nee eagleusb
[11:00] <slimjim> so can i safely uninstall xsplash?
[11:00] <Dr_Willis> alt-cttrl-f8 has most of my boot messages on it
[11:00] <Dr_Willis> slimjim:  i have removed it with no problems
[11:00] <Dr_Willis> not that you gain a lot
[11:00] <Amaranth> but, again, you'll get something worse than a splash screen if you remove it
[11:01] <Dr_Willis> given how Ugly that splash screen is....
[11:01] <slimjim> that's just so wrong
[11:01]  * shadeslayer wonders if kubuntu will get xsplash
[11:01] <Dr_Willis> i dident find it being gone  -  made anything uglier. :)
[11:01] <joaopinto> slimjim, just for curiositoy, what is your problem with the graphical boot ?
[11:01] <Amaranth> slimjim: it's wrong that we start X as soon as we can?
[11:01] <slimjim> how come in jaunty it didn't have that, it was onlt text....??
[11:01] <valgaav> joaopinto:  they change it becuase of mono, so why not becuase of pulse ? it depends on people view really
[11:01]  * Dr_Willis set his grub backgfound, and xsplashm and  gdm  user desktop wallpapers tobe the same nice neutral blue color.
[11:02] <slimjim> joapinto: its so ugly my mind is exploding, sorry for being so blunt.
[11:02] <Dillizar> when will the rc be ready?
[11:02] <Dr_Willis> that brown dithered wallpaper is indeede very nasty
[11:02] <joaopinto> valgaav, uh ? someone drops gnome because of mono ? I am not refering to gangs, those change anything because of something :)
[11:02] <shadeslayer> Dillizar: 22nd
[11:02] <joaopinto> slimjim, just override the xsplash image
[11:03] <Amaranth> Dr_Willis: it's not dithered unless you use 16-bit color for some reason
[11:03] <joaopinto> slimjim, or presse CTRL-ATL-F8 during boot :P
[11:03] <slimjim> joapinto: how?
[11:03] <Dr_Willis> /usr/share/images/xsplash
[11:03] <Dr_Willis> Amaranth:   using the nvidia drivers here.. and they look nasty.. actually it may also be due to it streatching the wallpaper across 2 monitors.
[11:03] <Dr_Willis> that makes the banding look even worse
[11:03] <slimjim> Dr_Willis: I cannot remove xsplash without removing Ubuntu-Desktop...
[11:04] <Amaranth> Dr_Willis: ah yeah, that is a known issue
[11:04] <Dr_Willis> I dont see the point of the fancy background - a nice solid brown/blue/green would be fine
[11:04] <Amaranth> slimjim: you don't need to have ubuntu-desktop installed
[11:04] <Dr_Willis> slimjim:  so? :)
[11:04] <joaopinto> slimjim, ubuntu-destop is just a meta package
[11:04] <slimjim> oh ok
[11:04] <Dr_Willis> The way xsplash/gdm picks what image from  /usr/share/images/xsplash   seems.. rather.. confused.
[11:05] <joaopinto> what is throbber_xtra_large.png ?
[11:05] <Amaranth> that reminds me, I went through my other Ubuntu install and removed every single package I don't need that doesn't also remove ubuntu-* packages
[11:05] <Dr_Willis> i put names/res#s on each image so i could see what ones it picks.. and xsplash used one.. gdm used a different one.. changed back when xsplash  came back up...
[11:05] <Amaranth> was fun :)
[11:05] <G_A_C> has anyone else lost alt-tab functionality in Gnome recently?
[11:05] <joaopinto> G_A_C, not me
[11:05] <G_A_C> just this morning I've found it wasn't working, and it was unbound in the gnome keyboard shortcuts applet
[11:06] <G_A_C> I was playing in the shortcuts applet recently to try and get a couple of my toshiba hotkeys working but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have unbound alt-tab :)
[11:07] <Dr_Willis> it works here G_A_C
[11:08] <Dr_Willis> G_A_C:  try with a newly made user as a test
[11:08] <shadeslayer> oh btw guys,happy diwali from all of us in india :D
[11:09] <G_A_C> Dr_Willis: easily fixed, I've just rebound it
[11:09] <G_A_C> just seemed odd, wondered whether I'd done it, or a system update
[11:09] <G_A_C> guess it must have been me after all if no one else has experienced it :D
[11:09] <G_A_C> I should be more careful playing around in there, apparently...
[11:11] <Dr_Willis> 'dont touch that button!'
[11:11] <Dr_Willis> :)
[11:15] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: the big one right here on this panel?
[11:15] <Dr_Willis> Nooo Not that button!
[11:16] <Dr_Willis> The Shiny Jolly BUtton!
[11:16] <shadeslayer> oh you meant the big red one over there
[11:16]  * shadeslayer pushes big red button
[11:16] <Dr_Willis> USB Panic Button
[11:16] <Dr_Willis> http://www.latestbuy.com/usb-panic-button.html?affid=238782593&utm_source=prodFeed6&utm_medium=xml&utm_campaign=prodFeed_froogle
[11:17] <shadeslayer> poof.... : In other news the MS office at redmond was nuked
[11:19] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: hahahaha
[11:19] <shadeslayer> pity it wont work with ubuntu...
[11:20] <leaf-sheep> To those who never used a cronjob before, I'm trying to obtain a "Select best editor" ASCII ART.  Will somebody be kind enough to run "crontab -e" and copy/paste the ASCII for the script I'm working on?
[11:20] <newuser> guys is there a way to make my swap partition larger?This is what i do http://imagebin.ca/img/7_Iz6hN.png           is there way to merge the two unallocated spaces into one partition and then to format it as a swap?I can not find the way how to merge them.
[11:21] <Dr_Willis> shadeslayer:  write a driver. :)
[11:21] <Dr_Willis> shouldent be too hard.
[11:21] <shadeslayer> newuser: if the 2 partitions are side by side,then yes
[11:21] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. heres a 4gb flash drive thats also an insence burner....
[11:21] <shadeslayer> they can be merger
[11:21] <newuser> no they are not
[11:21] <shadeslayer> newuser: then it cant be done,sorry
[11:21] <newuser> really?
[11:21] <G_A_C> newuser: the Gparted live cd should be able to help you....
[11:22] <G_A_C> delete one swap partition, move the Linux partition into the space, and then enlarge your existing swap into the free space
[11:22] <shadeslayer> yeah that can be done,but theres no simple way
[11:22] <newuser> I can not move the linux partition because it is larger than the swap
[11:22] <G_A_C> be warned that some of your partition identifiers might change though so might need to edit fstab/grub.conf
[11:23] <G_A_C> actually, ignore that, ubuntu uses UUIDs in grub/fstab so it should be fine
[11:23] <void^_> newuser: some of that unallocated space is in an extended partition. you'll have to re-create the extended partition to either include all or none of that space. no idea if gparted can do that.
[11:23] <G_A_C> I think gparted can resize extended partitions as long as there's space to stretch it into
[11:24] <newuser> ok I'll try that using the gparted in ubuntu live cd
[11:24] <piggz> lo....just installed the beta on an acer aspire one....mostly works great, apart from sleep/resume ......... it sleeps, but resume just gives  a black screen
[11:24] <Dr_Willis> If you need more swap. you can always add a swap file...
[11:25] <newuser> so do i have to delete the extendet partition in order to make it larger?This will destroy the linux installation within it
[11:27] <G_A_C> newuser: what I'd do in that situation is; resize the extended partition to the left into the free space, then move your Linux partition to the left of the extended partition, then resize swap to what you want
[11:27] <G_A_C> obviously you don't need all that 23gb for swap, so I'd also extend the linux partition while I had gparted open, but leave some for the swap
[11:28] <newuser> the 23gb is for shared partition.I can not touch that
[11:29] <vivid> joaopinto, i was able to get it working by installing a different sound card, clearly pulseaudio has issues with the previous one
[11:29] <newuser> I moved some free space within the extended partition.I thought that that free space will automatically be merged into one when I delete the swap partition.That did not happen
[11:30] <joaopinto> virtuald, try chatting with dtchen, he should be able debugging your sound issue, when he has some time :P
[11:30] <newuser> is gparted live cd able to resize partitions that are not next to each other?
[11:31] <newuser> or gparted live cd is the same thing I have in ubuntu live cd
[11:31] <vivid> now the only issue is getting sound with other apps while using wine : /
[11:32] <virtuald> I guess you mean vivid, joaopinto.
[11:32] <joaopinto> ops, yes, vivid
[11:38] <Dr_Willis> at least i finally got rid of the sound popping for my sound card.
[11:41] <Lord-Readman> hello
[11:41] <rsk> hello
[11:41] <Lord-Readman> just tried to upgrade to ext4 with
[11:41] <Lord-Readman> tune2fs -j /dev/DEV
[11:41] <Lord-Readman> sorry... with tune2fs -O extents,uninit_bg,dir_index /dev/DEV
[11:42] <newuser> if I get mount point does not exist what can I do?
[11:42] <Dr_Willis> You did use the actual devicename instead of 'DEV' ?
[11:42]  * Dr_Willis has to ask..
[11:42] <Lord-Readman> nope
[11:42]  * Dr_Willis hit the nail on the head.
[11:42] <Lord-Readman> how can I tell the device name>
[11:42] <Lord-Readman> ?*
[11:42] <Dr_Willis> sudo fdisk -l and look i guess.
[11:42] <rsk> right that command didn't do anything
[11:42] <Dr_Willis> upgrading to ext4 is not woth the hassle i hear. You dont gain much from it.
[11:43] <Dr_Willis> Now if you do a REiNSTANL definatly tell the install to use ext4
[11:43] <Dr_Willis> !info nawm
[11:43] <Lord-Readman> yes the how to said about a fresh install would office higher performance
[11:44] <newuser> is it possible to mount the usb if I use the same usb as a live usb
[11:45] <Lord-Readman> sda1 is HPFS/NTFS, sda2 is Extended, sda5 is Linux and sda6 is the swap
[11:45] <Dr_Willis> the live usb - should be mountable yes.
[11:45] <Lord-Readman> so sda2 is the one to run the command on?
[11:45] <Dr_Willis> Lord-Readman:  your linux is 'sda5' as you said..
[11:45] <Dr_Willis> sda2 is extended.. it holding the other 2 partitions
[11:46] <Lord-Readman> ah I took extended as ext3
[11:46] <Dr_Willis> Primary vs Extended partitiobns.
[11:46] <Lord-Readman> Thank you Dr_Willis , we all have to start somewhere, unfortunatly its the bottom for me
[11:46] <newuser> mount /dev/sbd/ /tmp/usb/ gives error mount point does not exist
[11:46] <shadeslayer> newuser: mkdir /temp/usb
[11:47] <Dr_Willis> newuser:  well the MOUNTPOINT has to exist befor you mount to it.
[11:47] <newuser> ok
[11:47] <shadeslayer> newuser: then try
[11:47] <vivid> another question, is it possible to decrease the loading time of grub2?
[11:47] <Dr_Willis>  and your /dev/sbd is proberly wrong also.  sdb1  perhaps
[11:47] <shadeslayer> vivid: dont think se
[11:47] <shadeslayer> *so
[11:47] <Dr_Willis> grub has timeouts.. but ive seen a few systems that take grub  a bit longer to scan the system/disks. not sure why
[11:47] <newuser> mount: /dev/sdb already mounted or /tmp/usb/ busy
[11:48] <newuser> maybe with / at the end
[11:48] <vivid> shadeslayer, takes a little while for you too?
[11:48] <Dr_Willis> newuser:  are you sre you want /dev/sdb and not /dev/sdb1 ?
[11:48] <shadeslayer> btw is it possible to find the best server for repos via command line
[11:48] <shadeslayer> vivid: nope
[11:48] <Lord-Readman> ok i ran the command and it said to run e2fsck, i did, and it says its mounted, do you want to continue on the mounted fs
[11:48] <Dr_Willis> Lord-Readman:  thats proberly not a good idea to do it to a mounted filesystem
[11:49] <Dr_Willis> Lord-Readman:  i would boot a live cd and do it from there.
[11:49] <Dr_Willis> Lord-Readman:  or not do it at all..
[11:49] <newuser> not very sure what this means http://pastebay.com/61760 .I know the size of the usb it is 999mb
[11:50] <Lord-Readman> thanks
[11:50] <Dr_Willis> newuser:  as i said.. its 'sdb1' not 'sdb'
[11:50] <newuser> ok
[11:50] <Dr_Willis> newuser:  sudo mkdir /tmp/TheDrive
[11:50] <Dr_Willis> sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /tmp/TheDrive
[11:50] <Dr_Willis> cd TheDrive
[11:50] <Dr_Willis> ls
[11:50] <Dr_Willis> :)
[11:50] <newuser> do I have to type /bla/bla/ or /bla/bla ?
[11:50] <Dr_Willis> oops  cd /tmp/TheDrive
[11:51] <shadeslayer> newuser: the second one
[11:51] <Dr_Willis> no need for / on the end that ive ever noticed
[11:51] <Dr_Willis> Tryit and see?
[11:51] <newuser> ok 10x
[11:52] <Dr_Willis> flash drive automounting - is still goofed up it seems for many people
[11:53]  * leaf-sheep automounts Dr_Willis 
[11:53] <Dr_Willis> You SICK little monkey!
[11:53] <newuser> new eror http://pastebay.com/61761
[11:53] <Dr_Willis> I was saveing myself for  my weding night!
[11:53] <Dr_Willis> ;)
[11:54] <Dr_Willis> newuser:  it might be just easier if you rebooted and tried again. :)
[11:54] <Dr_Willis> then try to undo all your other mounting commands.
[11:54] <newuser> so it is already mounted
[11:54] <Dr_Willis> it says its on /cdrom
[11:54] <Dr_Willis> look there and see
[11:54] <Dr_Willis> No idea how it got TO /cdrom
[12:03] <newuser> I can not reboot because  I need to save error from aprted.If i reboot without saving it it is lost
[12:03] <newuser> if something is not mounted will I be able to do ls on it?
[12:03] <newuser> I can list directories in /cdrom
[12:03] <newuser> I'm saving it there.i hope it will stay there
[12:03] <newuser> well I can not save it cp: cannot create regular file `/cdrom/gparted_details.htm': Read-only file system
[12:03] <newuser> my usb is not read only
[12:03] <newuser> maybe the system thinks that my usb is a cdrom.Maybe this is the problem
[12:03] <newuser> I gave up on it
[12:03] <newuser> network manger just died on the live session
[12:06] <gnomefreak> newuser: does cp -r help at all?
[12:10] <Dr_Willis> go to /cdrom and try it as root
[12:10] <Dr_Willis> cd /cdrom
[12:10] <Dr_Willis> sudo touch If_This_Works_I_can_write_as_Root
[12:11] <Dr_Willis> depending on how it mounted.. its very likely its permissions dont llet the user access it fully
[12:11] <newuser> I am root
[12:12] <Dr_Willis> check the output of the 'mount' command and see how its mounted
[12:12] <penguin42> If that's a cdrom why would you expect to be able to write to it?
[12:13] <Dr_Willis> its just mounted to /cdrom for some silly reason
[12:13] <Dr_Willis> its a flash drive
[12:13] <newuser> it is not a cdrom
[12:13] <penguin42> oh right :-)
[12:13] <Dr_Willis> Unless it has U3 feature  on it - then it will show up as 3 devices
[12:13] <leaf-sheep> Wouldn't it be easier to.. email?
[12:13] <newuser> clear
[12:13] <Dr_Willis> oops 2 devices
[12:13]  * Dr_Willis dosent even know what the origianl problem is/was/
[12:14] <leaf-sheep> How about pastebinit? Write down the tinyurl address or something like that.
[12:14] <Dr_Willis> theres always 'ubuntone' :) 2gb of space
[12:15] <leaf-sheep> Surrender to the king of clouds? Never!
[12:15] <newuser> large mount output http://pastebay.com/61773
[12:15] <Dr_Willis> newuser:  you are just interested in teh lines that mention /dev/sdb1
[12:15] <Dr_Willis> /dev/sdb1 on /cdrom type vfat (rw)
[12:16] <Dr_Willis> You are usong a slax live cd?
[12:16] <newuser> no ubuntu beta 9.10
[12:16] <Dr_Willis> /dev/sr0 on /media/SLAX type iso9660 (ro,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=devkit,uid=999,gid=999,iocharset=utf8,mode=0400,dmode=0500)
[12:16] <Dr_Willis> you have a slax cd in the drive? :)
[12:16] <newuser> it is in the cd rom but i hav enot booted from it
[12:16] <leaf-sheep> Dr_Willis: This is what happen when you surrender to the clouds! (From my personal EXP) --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidekick_data_loss_2009
[12:17] <Dr_Willis> so ..... what are you trying to do exactly newuser ?
[12:17] <newuser> I want to copy file to the same usb I'm running the live session from
[12:18] <Dr_Willis> so  the following command    'sudo touch /cdrom/testfile'   works or not?
[12:18] <newuser> touch: cannot touch `/cdrom/testfile': Read-only file system
[12:19] <leaf-sheep> newuser: Not a persistent USB? I'm guessing.
[12:19] <newuser> yes
[12:19] <newuser>  it is not a persistent one
[12:20] <Dr_Willis> persistant or not wouldent matter
[12:20]  * Dr_Willis boots his ubuntu flash drive in the spare laptop
[12:20] <Dr_Willis> You could just boot your slac cd and copy the files over to the flash drive that way. :) that maybe quicker.
[12:21] <newuser> if the usb is mounted to the cdrom where the slax cd is mounted then?
[12:21] <Dr_Willis> but im pretty sure i was able to access files/delete/make things on my ubuntu-live-flash usb befor
[12:21] <Dr_Willis> the whole mountinglayout of that thing is goofy. ive noidea how it came tobe on /cdrom
[12:21] <newuser> once I leave the session the file is gone.ANyway I'll just email it.
[12:22] <shadeslayer> newuser: you have /dev/cdrom0,/dev/cdrom1,2,3....
[12:22] <shadeslayer> so you can have multiple mount points
[12:22] <Dr_Willis> just now on my live-flash boot i was aboe to   make a file on /cdrom as root via sudi
[12:22] <Dr_Willis> sudo
[12:23] <Dr_Willis> the / of the usb drive gets mounted to /cdrom by default it seems.
[12:23] <newuser> I listing the /dev directory.i se only one cdrom
[12:23] <Dr_Willis> I would have to suggest just rebooting and trying it  again.
[12:24] <Dr_Willis> all i did was boot up..  'sudo -s' 'cd /cdrom'   'cp /whatever/whever /cdrom' and it worked
[12:24] <newuser> how did you make your live usb?I used unetbooin under winwods
[12:25] <Dr_Willis> I ten dto use unetbootin or theusb-creator tool in ubuntu
[12:25] <Dr_Willis> i forget howi made this one
[12:25] <Dr_Willis> it really shouldent matter
[12:25] <Dr_Willis> I proberly used the usb-creator tool in ubuntu for this one. It seems tohave a persistant save file
[12:26] <leaf-sheep> Dr_Willis: Ah-ha! You're using a persistent save file! We're not comparing the same thing now, are we? :)
[12:27] <newuser> it looks so :)
[12:29] <Dr_Willis> persistant save files dont matter in the access of the hard drive
[12:29] <Dr_Willis> flash drive
[12:29] <Dr_Willis> im not even sure this thing has a persistant save or not. its just my install flash drive
[12:29] <gnomefreak> for some reason formatting a flash drive doesnt allow you to select ext4
[12:29] <Dr_Willis> my /dev/sda1 is mounted to /cdrom same as his
[12:31] <leaf-sheep> So in the conclusion, sending emails to yourself really get things done more fast.
[12:32]  * leaf-sheep jot that one in his tiny notebook.
[12:32] <Dr_Willis> or not goofing thingsup by grying a dozen + mount command variantsions
[12:32] <Dr_Willis> works much better
[12:32] <leaf-sheep> Definitely. ;3
[12:32] <Dr_Willis> converting a unetbootin 'setup' to a persistant save -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=811397
[12:33]  * shadeslayer <3 unetbootin
[12:33] <Dr_Willis> i jsut wish unetbootin was smarter about ubuntu and dident do such odd stuff with the syslinux configs
[12:33] <shadeslayer> hehe...
[12:33] <Dr_Willis> and had a check box for a persistant save file creation
[12:34] <Dr_Willis> You can move the ubuntu isolinux.cfg to syslinux.cfg to get back a more 'normal' menu
[12:34] <shadeslayer> i wish it added a option to check itself
[12:34] <Dr_Willis> be really neat if Unetbootin ever starts using Grub2.. then it could set up to boot an ISO file
[12:35] <shadeslayer> yay.. only 6 hrs to complete the upgrade....then i need to install the restricted package thingy and im all set!
[12:35] <Dr_Willis> 6 hrs? you on  a tin can and a string?
[12:36] <jemark> wow, that's a long time
[12:37] <tgpraveen> Not everyone has a fast connection
[12:37] <tgpraveen> :-(
[12:37] <TuTUXG> anyone uses chromium ppa build with kde4? karmic 64bit
[12:37] <tgpraveen> I didn't even update as I don't have a unlimited connection
[12:39] <jemark> tgpraveen, a time limit?
[12:40] <tgpraveen> data limits
[12:40] <tgpraveen> waaah!
[12:40]  * tgpraveen hates stupid net connections of my place
[12:42] <amgarchIn9> meantime, is there a way to avoid typing keyring password every time after automatic login to the network applet to configure wireless?
[12:43] <amgarchIn9> another thing, how do I disable ubuntu-one applet from starting every time I log into KDE and also requesting the keyword passwrod from me?
[12:44] <TerminX> amgarchIn9: found this on google for you :p http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/07/12/automatically-unlocking-the-default-gnome-keyring-pam-keyring/
[12:44] <diverse_izzue> tgpraveen, i suffer with you, my isp recently informed me that i use too much volume :-(
[12:44]  * shadeslayer has a 128kbps connection
[12:44] <shadeslayer> :'(
[12:45] <shadeslayer> if only there was a way that i could boost my net connection
[12:45] <diverse_izzue> shadeslayer, so new packages come in faster than you can download them? :-)
[12:45] <Dr_Willis> You youse too much.. BUT if you pay us more... for a faster connection.... err... wait a min...
[12:45] <shadeslayer> diverse_izzue: yup
[12:45] <diverse_izzue> ah the sadness
[12:46] <shadeslayer> :P
[12:46] <shadeslayer> ive had luck sometimes.... on a really fast server my download speed jumps to 30 kBps
[12:46] <shadeslayer> right now its 21
[12:48] <tgpraveen> I want to move to finland where it is recognized rightly that a 1 mbps connection is a FUNDAMENTAL right
[12:48] <shadeslayer> tgpraveen: :o
[12:48] <amgarchIn9> TerminX: citation: "gnome-keyring will be handed your login password and, if they are the same". I dont type password when booting, I ve set up automatic login to avoid doing that. Moreover, I changed my login password so it doesnt match that for gnome keyring. And I dont know how to change the latter.
[12:48]  * tgpraveen wants to finnish becoming Finish
[12:48] <shadeslayer> hehe..
[12:49] <TerminX> amgarchIn9: I'm sure google knows how to change the gnome-keyring password to match :p
[12:49] <shadeslayer> and today i found out that by placing my LCD in a particular position,i could get a *much* clearer pic
[12:49] <TerminX> it looks like you don't even have to edit the file in /etc/pam.d anymore, just install the package and make sure the passwords match
[12:50] <shadeslayer> rather than the "look at the screen directly @ 90o"
[12:54] <amgarchIn9> TerminX: yes, google tells to use "gnome-keyring-manager", and also it tells that it is superseeded by "seahorse" since Gnome 2.22. The former is not installed, the latter offers to change only the login password.
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> Odd.. trying same video in vlc and gnome-mplayer - i get jumpy/jerky sound/playback in vlc.
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> but not gnome-mplayer
[12:55] <Ian_Corne> vlc is cpu heavy iirc
[12:55] <Ian_Corne> totem is nice :)
[12:56] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: xorg hates vlc :P
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> I consider totem to be PooPoo. :)
[12:56] <shadeslayer> kaffeine ftw
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> rarely have issues with vlc.  Couldbe this is a High-def video  or somthing.
[12:57] <shadeslayer> wow... : 688 << free RAM
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> There we go.. Switched vlc to use pulse audio instead of 'default' and sound is no longer jumpy
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> heh - vlc has 'color ascii art' output
[13:00] <Ian_Corne> mplayer too
[13:00] <Ian_Corne> :p
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> and you can almost make out what its showing
[13:07] <amgarchIn9> anybody managed to combine *automatic* login with password-less setup of the wireless in 9.10?
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> Not in 9.10   - wife took my netbook. :) so i havent tried yet
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> paswordless wireelss = apps-> scessories -> password and encryption keys - you some how set up a 'blank' password for the wallet manager - I recall
[13:10] <amgarchIn9> Dr_Willis: yes I was doing that in KDE, no way for gnome
[13:10] <Dr_Willis> Hmm,.., did it in gnome befor..
[13:10] <Dr_Willis> not ever tried kde.
[13:12] <newuser> the gparted error was that a partition I want to resize was mounted , even I told gparted to unmount it.So I unmounted all the partitions from nautilius and now gparted is working.i hope it will not spoiled my ubuntu installation :)
[13:14] <amgarchIn9> Dr_Willis: ok, let me try with the blank. rebooting
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> newuser:  the normal way do to it - is to boot a live cd and use gparted from that -  Much safer and nothing will be mounted by default
[13:21] <newuser> probably but I slready started doing this from ubuntu.Noone said if the gparted live cd has more features then the gparted appilcation that it is in live ubuntu cd
[13:21] <newuser> *than
[13:23] <Dr_Willis> The Gparted Live cd - is ok.  I perfer te System Rescue Live cd.
[13:23] <Dr_Willis> gparted is one application on those cd's - theere are other apps installed  for specific tasks.
[13:24] <newuser> do you know weather it is possible using some app to resize partitions that are not next to each other?Or you can only resize partitions that are neighbors
[13:29] <newuser> guys do you know a free web host that support cgi scripts for the free accounts?
[13:29] <Dr_Willis> to 'resize' you have to have adjacent space to resize into.. so thus they need to be next to each other.
[13:29] <Dr_Willis> You could MOVE some around then resizwe taking several 'steps' to do it. if you wanted
[13:30] <newuser> 10x for the explanation
[13:30] <Dr_Willis> also resizing from/to Primary /extended(logicals)  may be difficult also. even if they are next to each other
[13:34] <eagles0513875> hey Dr_Willis
[13:34] <Dr_Willis> Hmm?
[13:37] <Jaymac> karmic seems to have bricked out on me... i'm getting an error on bootup: "Cannot create link /etc/mtab~   Perhaps there is a stale lock file?" anyone have any ideas?
[13:38] <zer0x> Hi all, anyone here having a problem with the stock kernel and latest updates?
[13:38] <zer0x> I am getting an error about /dev/mem ?!
[13:38] <Jaymac> i haven't installed anything or changed any configuration since this morning.. a ll that has happened is that i have installed latest updates
[13:38] <Dr_Willis> Jaymac:  Hmm. normally a ~ is a 'backup' file  perhaps boot live cd and see if theres a /etc/mtab or /etc/mtab~
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> I dont have a mtab~ here. just a mtab
[13:39] <Jaymac> yeah i know.. is mtab~ something i can delete then you reckon?
[13:39] <Jaymac> it implies something is locked up
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> delete or rename to mtab
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> if thers no mtab
[13:40] <Dr_Willis> ive rarely if ever had to mess with mtab
[13:41] <Jaymac> i've never touched it
[13:41] <zer0x> Anyone have isses with update to 2.6.31-14-generic?
[13:41] <zer0x> *issues
[13:41] <shadeslayer> ill let you know in 5 hrs
[13:42] <Dr_Willis> by that time there will be another round of upodates shadeslayer
[13:42] <zer0x> Its broken here :( On the plus side the new -9 rt kernel is working fine :D
[13:43] <Jaymac> Dr_Willis, it is giving me errors as well such as allmount: unable to mount / Perhaps there is a stale lock file...
[13:43] <kindofabuzz> is it possible to encrypt ~ after install?
[13:43] <Jaymac> also grub is behaving funny - it doesn't show my countdown timer anymore... i.e. usually it autoboots after 10 seconds to ubuntu
[13:43] <Jaymac> anyway back soon
[13:47] <zer0x> X restarted during latest update, anyone else get that?
[13:47] <newuser> what is the equivalent linux commnad for chkdsk for errors and fix them?
[13:49] <shadeslayer> newuser: fsck
[13:49] <shadeslayer> newuser: see man fsck
[13:49] <shadeslayer> !fsck | newuser :also
[13:50] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: :)
[13:50] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: hopefully there wont be another round of updates :P
[13:51]  * zer0x reboots FTW!
[13:52] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:52] <Dr_Willis> bbl
[13:53] <erry> hi
[13:53] <zer0x> ok thats just plain odd, I just did a dpkg-reconfigure on linux-image-2.6.31-14-generic and it works now!?
[13:53] <erry> um im using ubuntu 9.10
[13:54] <erry> um, it reached 65 load without an apparent reason
[13:54] <erry> i mean id ditn do anything to it
[13:54] <zer0x> why would it work now, and not on the actual update?
[13:55] <erry> well you have like what 12 days to fix those bugs
[13:55] <erry> and idk if you can get it in such a little time
[13:55] <erry> cause so far only 1 of my probs has been fixed
[13:56]  * zer0x is happy & confused :D
[13:56]  * erry is not very happy with her laptop's load
[13:56]  * erry - nearly nothing is running n her laptop <_<
[13:57]  * erry - you have 12 days to fix this :)
[13:57] <zer0x> I think I'm gunna debsum this thing.. just in case...
[13:58] <eagles0513875> erry:  lol whats wrong
[13:58] <eagles0513875> erry: can you can check your load on the command line using top which is a dynamic program which shows you which process are using most of the cpu
[13:58] <erry> eagles0513875, well itshouldnt have so much load
[13:59] <erry> eagles0513875, im having difficulty moving the mouse but ok
[13:59] <eagles0513875> erry: O_o
[13:59] <eagles0513875> what kind of mouse laptop trackpad
[13:59] <erry> im actually running an upgrade by now, but it started doing that before i started the upgrade
[13:59] <erry> no, i mean its slow
[13:59] <eagles0513875> erry: let it finish then we can trouble shoot it hit me up when its done
[13:59] <erry> cause last time it did that i ran apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:59] <erry> and it was automatically fixed
[14:00] <eagles0513875> erry: i am always running dist-upgrade lol
[14:00] <eagles0513875> erry: you on kde or gnome
[14:00] <erry> according to top cp is using most cpu but that was only for a second now its pulseadio.. and that has a load of 7 still the total is almost 70
[14:00] <erry> eagles0513875, eagles0513875
[14:00] <erry> err
[14:00] <erry> eagles0513875, gnome
[14:00] <erry> ^^
[14:00] <eagles0513875> you using wireless at the moment cuz im fighting with the network manager in kde :(
[14:00] <Jaymac> Dr_Willis, still around?  I  have /etc/mtab, /etc/mtab~ (locked) /etc/mtab~1036 (locked), /etc/mtab~1068 (locked),  /etc/mtab~1069 (locked),  /etc/mtab~4555 (locked),  etc... do you have these files?
[14:01] <erry> eagles0513875, i wish i could uise wireless >:(
[14:01] <eagles0513875> :(
[14:01] <erry> eagles0513875, how ever, im glad it worked, even for those 5 seconds it worked
[14:01] <erry> it's an improvement from 0 seconds
[14:01] <erry> so
[14:01] <erry> well done
[14:01] <eagles0513875> hehe
[14:01] <erry> my server's only reached 70 load once
[14:01] <eagles0513875> i have been lucky all my laptops have had broadcom support :) so im lucky but the cursed network manager in kde is broken :(
[14:01] <erry> and its more..popular than my laptop :(
[14:01] <eagles0513875> what you having this load on your laptop
[14:02] <erry> yes
[14:02] <erry> 70 load on a laptop
[14:02] <eagles0513875> strange indeed
[14:02] <erry> with no open ports
[14:02] <erry> no network traffic
[14:02] <erry> nothing that can justify it
[14:02] <eagles0513875> probably right now apt-get is causing that load atm
[14:02] <eagles0513875> now we will see with top
[14:02] <erry> pulseaudio is at top
[14:02] <erry> with 8% cpu use..
[14:02] <zer0x> ewwww
[14:02] <erry> 8 is a bit far from 67
[14:02] <erry> sometimes Xorg goes there instead
[14:02] <eagles0513875> keep looking at top if you can
[14:02] <erry> but none of them is more than 7
[14:02] <eagles0513875> its going to stay swapping them out
[14:02] <erry> i am
[14:03] <erry> eagles0513875, sometimes dpgkg comes but is still only around 6
[14:03] <erry> eagles0513875, it started being SLOW before i ran the upgrrade :(
[14:03] <erry> it did the same thing yesterday :(
[14:03] <eagles0513875> ok erry try this command as top changes too much
[14:03] <eagles0513875> try ps aux on the command line please
[14:04] <erry> done
[14:04] <eagles0513875> and look at the 3rd column which is the cpu usage
[14:04] <erry> btw can u check if my site is online
[14:04] <erry> somebody said its not
[14:04] <erry> but firefox isnt gonna start this yrar
[14:04] <erry> year
[14:04] <eagles0513875> shoot the url
[14:04] <eagles0513875> ill check it for ya
[14:04] <erry> pokemonlake.com <<
[14:04] <eagles0513875> what is using the most cpu according to ps aux
[14:04] <erry> at;east its not a crash cause well im here :p
[14:05] <eagles0513875> do you have any databases or anything or php on the site
[14:05] <erry> eagles0513875, gconftool-something with 2.1 cpu
[14:05] <tgpraveen> erry: you can use many more browsers eg epiphany
[14:05] <erry> and cp -r
[14:05] <tgpraveen> and also use commands like ping,tracert
[14:05] <eagles0513875> cp -r what are you copying ?
[14:05] <erry> eagles0513875, yes, i have mysql, but that'son my _server_
[14:05] <erry> and not laptop
[14:05] <zer0x> yay! I didn't realise fglrx had been updated to work with -rt at last!! :DDDDD
[14:05] <erry> eagles0513875, im not but maybe the update is?
[14:05] <eagles0513875> erry: dunno thats strange
[14:05] <erry> thank gof for lynx
[14:05] <erry> yeah its up
[14:06] <eagles0513875> ok
[14:06] <eagles0513875> let me know when update install is done
[14:06] <eagles0513875> hehe my duelboot on my macbook pro man is gonna be a while i have 260 updates there bout 160 or so on my kubuntu vms
[14:06] <erry> eagles0513875, ok..
[14:06] <erry> eagles0513875, do you expect that to be done before the realease of ubuntu 9.10? ;)
[14:06] <HoopyCat> hmm... i just applied a batch of updates requiring a reboot, but i dismissed the window with reboot-later... is there any way to have a little icon in the notify-icon area or anything like that so i don't forget to reboot?
[14:06] <eagles0513875> hahaha yes erry
[14:07] <erry> well i also have to go study unfortunately
[14:07] <erry> ill get back on you later
[14:07] <eagles0513875> HoopyCat: gnome or kde
[14:07] <erry> ;p
[14:07] <erry> to^
[14:07] <HoopyCat> eagles0513875:  gnome
[14:07] <eagles0513875> erry: same here im reading btw lol
[14:07] <eagles0513875> HoopyCat: not sure about gnome but i know kde gives u a lil yellow icon with a circular arrow to remind ya
[14:07] <erry> eagles0513875, kinda reminds me of what i ask my users.. except i ask "firefox or ie" and they usually dont know
[14:07] <erry> ^^
[14:08] <eagles0513875> haha erry you use google analytics its quite cool tells u the percentage of browsers and types of browsers and all that
[14:08] <zer0x> ie always!!! :PPP
[14:08] <eagles0513875> bleh
[14:08] <zer0x> lol :D
[14:08] <erry> i do use it but unfortunately it says most my users use IE
[14:08] <eagles0513875> only reason im on vista is for gaming and that i need a 64bit system for my desktop cuz i have 8gb of ram
[14:08] <HoopyCat> eagles0513875:  in case of emergency, read the first few paragraphs and the last few paragraphs, and make a note of what the piece is getting at and grab a few talking points to make it seem like you read it.  (don't, of course, do this if you actually want/need to read the text ;-)
[14:08] <erry> but i ask them when they have probs so.. xD
[14:08] <eagles0513875> things are bout to change in 7
[14:08] <eagles0513875> HoopyCat: ??
[14:08] <zer0x> probably for the worse.... again.
[14:09] <HoopyCat> eagles0513875:  hmm... i used to have one back in 8.10, but it went away in 9.04, so i wonder if there's just something that got lost in the upgrades...
[14:09] <zer0x> would you like some finely crafted DRM with that sir? :D
[14:09] <eagles0513875> HoopyCat: its possible since you have been upgrading
[14:09] <HoopyCat> eagles0513875:  random tip for academic reading :-)
[14:09] <zer0x> How about a TPM chip with that steak?
[14:09] <eagles0513875> zer0x: they removed drm drm is dead btw
[14:09] <zer0x> eagles0513875: I Wish :P
[14:10] <eagles0513875> they removed for instance media player adding drm to burnt cd's it no longer does that it asks the user if you want to add drm or not in win 7 at least
[14:10] <eagles0513875> and you have a choice of browsers 2
[14:10] <zer0x> I didn't even know it did that to cd's.. that is horrendous!!
[14:11] <Jaymac> now trying to mount my /home and getting an error: /usr/bin/ecryptfs-mount-private: 34: cannot create /dev/null: Permission denied
[14:11] <Jaymac> ERROR: Encrypted private directory is not setup properly
[14:11] <eagles0513875> well it did in xp and vista and now in 7 they ask the user at least if you want to add drm or not
[14:11] <zer0x> I would't even trust it inside a VM :D
[14:12] <penguin42> hmm no /dev/null ?
[14:12] <zer0x> well, I must try ET:QW now I've got fglrx working with the realtime kernel :D Cheers all :D
[14:16] <amgarchIn9> why is Cntrl-Alt-Del is not working anymore in KDE?
[14:17] <Ian_Corne> what shoudl it do?
[14:17] <Ian_Corne> check your keybindings window
[14:19] <eagles0513875> Amaranth: its been replaced with alt 3 if im not mistaken
[14:21] <amgarchIn9> similarly to gnome pop up the window suggesting to reboot/shutdown or logout. Moreover I dont find "shutdown" entry in the "Leave" tab of the K-menu.
[14:27] <newuser> there was an error while resizing partitions becaus suddenly the same was mounted by ubuntu.Let's how bad it is
[14:28] <newuser> it mounted again.Is there a way to prevent this from happening?
[14:30] <shadeslayer> newuser: sudo umount -a ?
[14:30] <shadeslayer> yayy... 4hrs left :D
[14:32] <Dr_Willis> newuser:  the normal way do to it - is to boot a live cd and use gparted from that -  Much safer and nothing will be mounted by default
[14:32] <Dr_Willis> newuser:  one of the many reasons to use a live cd
[14:33] <Dr_Willis> one of the subsystems is seeing the disk changes and automounting most likely.
[14:34] <Jaymac> Dr_Willis, deleting all my /etc/mtab~[] files worked
[14:35] <Jaymac> I nearly had a kitten... backing up all of my university stuff now :)
[14:35] <newuser> yes exactly when the new partition appear and it was mounted and then I get the error.I agree about the gparted live cd.however i can not use it right now.Is there a way to find out what sybsystem do this job?
[14:36] <gorthaug> Hi, i've a problem mounting and NFS file system that works in Ubuntu 9.04 but in this beta when i try to mount it say me http://paste.ubuntu.com/295467/
[14:36] <penguin42> that's a wonderful error
[14:37] <Dr_Willis> Jaymac:  you had more then 1 ?
[14:38] <Jaymac> yeah I had a list of them
[14:38] <Dr_Willis> Jaymac:  thats.. very weird.
[14:38] <Jaymac> /etc/mtab~ /etc/mtab~1036 /etc/mtab~1068 etc
[14:38] <Jaymac> never seen that before
[14:40] <newuser> going to reboot to see if my ubuntu can boot still
[14:42] <penguin42> Dr_Willis: I wonder whether mount-all or the like is doing something clever
[14:48] <bazhang> !puregnome
[14:48] <bazhang> hsarci_, ^^
[14:48] <hsarci_> thanks!
[14:49] <hsarci_> bazhang, what if i just wanted to install gnome but NOT remove kde...but someone be able to switch between em
[14:49] <shadeslayer> hsarci_: you can do that
[14:49] <shadeslayer> hsarci_: just logout and select the DE via gdm/kdm
[14:49] <bazhang> hsarci_, install ubuntu-desktop package
[14:49] <liveoutloud2day> grub problem here....  Installed Karmic Beta on a machine with a 160G HD that had Windows on it, and now it just says   Grub      error: out of disk     grub rescue>    Any ideas?
[14:50] <liveoutloud2day> Interesting thing is that Windows had only seen 128G of the drive and I installed in the remainder of the drive (48bit LBA?)  How do I fix?
[14:50] <hsarci_> thanks
[14:50] <penguin42> liveoutloud2day: How old is the machine?
[14:51] <liveoutloud2day> About 2003 Gateway M275 tablet
[14:51] <Dr_Willis> Hmm..
[14:51]  * penguin42 would have thought that would have been new enough; oh well - it doesn't look like your BIOS knows about >128G
[14:52] <Dr_Willis> Compiz has a feature to add 'Root' to  the title bar of any program running as root... How nifty
[14:52] <hsarci_> does anyone know how to change themes in kde 4.3???
[14:52] <hsarci_> it seems simple, but when i try to do it i can't find the options under "system configuration"
[14:53] <liveoutloud2day> penguin42: So do I shrink the Windows 128G partition and install there? (then get rid of partitions beyond 128G)
[14:54] <penguin42> liveoutloud2day: I'd try and shrink the windows partition a bit and get a /boot partition (lets say 200MB) in the first 128GB, get grub and the linux kernel into there (which should just happen if you partition and tell it to mount it as /boot) then it should cope with the rest being after the 128GB boundary
[14:54] <ioka> hello guys.If I make a file and a called if bla.sh will be that enough for the file to be executable?
[14:54] <Dr_Willis> ioka:  no. 'bash basics'
[14:54] <ioka> *it
[14:55] <penguin42> liveoutloud2day: I think it is possible that the controler on the board couldn't cope - and then you're stuck
[14:55] <Dr_Willis>  it must be chmod +x, and you want the first line tobe like #!/bin/bash
[14:55] <Dr_Willis> !abs | ioka
[14:55] <Dr_Willis> !scripting
[14:56] <liveoutloud2day> penguin42:  Hadn't thought of just the boot partition - used to run that way with multi-boot - thanks!
[14:56] <funkyHat> :/ when I first log in my volume control is stuck at 0. I can change it with my mouse if I click on the volume icon, but if I use the knob on my keyboard it goes up and then straight back down again
[14:56] <liveoutloud2day> penguin42: Linux obviously sees the rest of the drive, so I guess it should work...  Thanks!
[14:56] <funkyHat> Once I change it with my mouse the volume knob is fine, though
[14:56] <funkyHat> Anyone else getting anything like that?
[14:57] <Dr_Willis> the mute control is a little flakey. it like 'stays muted/stuck' if you try to vol up or down. you have to unmute then adj the volume
[14:57] <BluesKaj> ioka, just right click on the file , choose properties and make it executable
[14:58] <ioka> I need to change my mac address.Is there a way to auto the process without typing the commnds every time I boot?
[14:58] <Dr_Willis> ioka:  put commands in /etc/rc.local is one way.
[14:58] <Dr_Willis> but why doyou need to change your MAC?
[14:58] <BluesKaj> Dr_Willis, I lost my KB mute , any ideas?
[14:59] <Dr_Willis> BluesKaj:   Not really. this KB i got now is  very unstandard in the media-key area. Mine dont work either.
[14:59] <Dr_Willis> Vol+ starts the calculator. :)
[14:59] <penguin42> funkyHat: I'm not sure, I get the feeling perhaps it starts up with both the volume at 0 and it marked as being muted
[15:00] <BluesKaj> Dr_Willis, my vol ctrls work ok  tho
[15:00] <liveoutloud2day> I tried to run the kubuntu-netbook live cd on a Gateway M275, and it hung upon starting X - karmic beta works fine, is there a major difference?  Also is there a package to install to install the netbook part?
[15:00] <funkyHat> penguin42: pressing the mute button makes no difference to the ability of the volume knob to have any impact
[15:00] <Dr_Willis> BluesKaj:  now ya did it.....
[15:00] <funkyHat> penguin42: could still be related to that though
[15:00] <Dr_Willis> I just had to try all the fancy buttons.. and My Standby button actually worked!
[15:00] <Dr_Willis> thats the only one that did. :)
[15:00] <ioka> do I need to delete the line exit 0 at the end ot the rc.local file?
[15:01] <Dr_Willis> ioka:  read the comments  at the start of the file....
[15:01] <Dr_Willis> it says you put commands BEFOR the exit 0
[15:01] <Dr_Willis> and you dont need sudo in that file
[15:01] <funkyHat> It won't hurt though
[15:01] <funkyHat> :P
[15:02] <ioka> I read them.i do nto understand them. Make sure that the script will "exit 0" on success or any other
[15:02] <ioka> # value on error. Make sure that the script will "exit 0" on success or any other
[15:02] <ioka> # value on error.
[15:02] <ioka> 10x
[15:03] <funkyHat> ioka: just leave the exit 0 at the end, put your stuff just above that
[15:03] <shane2peru> Hey I'm running Karmic on my laptop, and when I issue commands via the terminal, it randomly just locks up the terminal, it doesn't respond, where do I report this?
[15:03] <shane2peru> !reportbug
[15:03] <shane2peru> !bug
[15:04] <funkyHat> ioka: exit 0 means "this script stops here and worked fine" so anything you put after it will never get read
[15:04] <shane2peru> it has locked up with command, ls -sh  and df -h  and updatedb  just kind of sits there and doesn't do anything, ctrl-c doesn't stop it either.
[15:05] <ioka> 10x for the explanation.Everything lagging like hell.I can not even see my desktop
[15:05] <shane2peru> not sure if this is a bug, or exactly how to report just odd behavior
[15:06] <penguin42> shane2peru: If it locks up it's a bug
[15:06] <ioka> yes my swap is not activated
[15:06] <ioka> that's why
[15:06] <shane2peru> penguin42: it doesn't lock the whole system, just that terminal I have open I can open another and even close that one
[15:07] <penguin42> odd
[15:07] <Dr_Willis> shane2peru:  it freezes in the middle of you typing in a command?
[15:07] <shane2peru> Dr_Willis: no, after the command is issued and enter is pressed
[15:07] <Dr_Willis> even simple commands like 'ls' ?
[15:07] <shane2peru> Dr_Willis: yep, that is how I knew something was wrong.
[15:08] <ioka> I'll reboot to see if the swap will be activated on the next boot
[15:08] <shane2peru> Dr_Willis: it is not all the time, seems to be rare occasions
[15:08] <jbeitler|m> ok is it just me or is Empathy somewhere near worthless?
[15:08] <jbeitler|m> well so far anyway
[15:08] <Dr_Willis> shane2peru:  keep a spare terminal open. next time and see if dmesg commabd guves any clues
[15:08] <shane2peru> Dr_Willis: I don't really have anything else running at the time either.
[15:08] <Dr_Willis> I find most IM clients useless for IRC
[15:09] <shane2peru> Dr_Willis: will do, good idea.
[15:09] <jbeitler|m> I am not just talking IRC
[15:09] <Dr_Willis> I find most IM clients useless
[15:09] <Dr_Willis> :P
[15:09] <Dr_Willis> happy?
[15:10]  * thiebaude happy villa won
[15:10] <jbeitler|m> well that maybe true.. but it says on Empathy site that is does all that Pidgin does.. and so far I don't see even half of what Pidgin does
[15:10]  * jbeitler|m sad Chelsea lost :(
[15:11] <thiebaude> jbeitler, 2 in a row
[15:11] <jbeitler|m> thiebaude: I know..
[15:11] <thiebaude> jbeitler, im in america,lol
[15:12] <jbeitler|m> thiebaude: so am I.. luck Brazil is still going strong
[15:13] <thiebaude> yep
[15:13] <Bouni> Hi everyone
[15:13] <thiebaude> Bouni, hey
[15:14] <Bouni> I have a short question about Firefox in Ubuntu 9.10 beta
[15:14] <thiebaude> jbeitler, but ubuntu 9.10 is looking good for me on my frsh install
[15:14] <thiebaude> fresh
[15:14] <thiebaude> !ask | Bouni
[15:14] <Boohbah> Bouni: yet you feel the need to write an introduction
[15:15] <Bouni> ok sorry :)
[15:15] <Boohbah> :(
[15:15] <thiebaude> Bouni, just ask away
[15:15] <Bouni> Is the Firefox version which comes with Ubuntu different to the one i can get for windows ??
[15:15] <Boohbah> Bouni: you can get several versions on both
[15:15] <rsk> Bouni: Yes. The version in ubuntu 9.10 of firefox is compiled for Linux, the one in windows is compiled for Windows. they are different.
[15:16] <Bouni> i have JS code which works fine on the Win Version but not on Ubuntu Firefox
[15:16] <ioka> how to automtically activate my swap?
[15:16] <rsk> but that's a given for them to work on both plattforms
[15:16] <Bouni> But it does not work on both
[15:16] <Boohbah> Bouni: but they use the same rendering engine. are you js settings different in linux?
[15:16] <thiebaude> activate?
[15:16] <HoopyCat> Bouni:  running 3.5.3 (or at least 3.5.x) on both ends?
[15:17] <Bouni> yep
[15:17] <piggz> lo....just installed the beta on an acer aspire one....mostly works great, apart from sleep/resume ......... it sleeps, but resume just gives  a black screen, any ideas?
[15:17] <mzz> Bouni: fails how?
[15:17] <thiebaude> Bouni, my chrome runs great on 9.10
[15:18] <HoopyCat> Bouni:  it should work "the same" on both.  anything interesting show up under tools -> error console ?
[15:18] <mzz> piggz: I've had that happen once or twice on a different laptop, and ctrl+alt+f1-ing out of X and alt+f7-ing back in fixed it
[15:18] <Bouni> This is the code: onclick='top.functionXY();'
[15:18] <mzz> Bouni: link to the failing page?
[15:18] <piggz> mzz: tried that with no luck :(
[15:18] <Bouni> works fine on windows version but not on Ubuntu!
[15:18] <HoopyCat> ioka:  it should be in /etc/fstab ... that's where swapon will look for it
[15:19] <Bouni> the code is in an iframe, and i try to call a function in the main window
[15:19] <ioka_> ok
[15:20] <Bouni> any ideas why it doesnt work?
[15:20] <csb_> piggz, resume works on my aao
[15:20] <csb_> piggz, resume works on my aao?
[15:20] <csb_> oops
[15:21] <csb_> piggz, how much swap and ram
[15:21] <mzz> Bouni: link to the failing page?
[15:21] <HoopyCat> Bouni:  best guess i can come up with is some sort of difference in security settings.  i can give it a spin from here if you'd like; i think i have 3.0 installed too
[15:22] <Bouni> sorry but the code is used in the member area of a web site!
[15:23] <piggz> csb_: not sure on ram (its not mine and not here atm, think its a 1g model), if i recall, the setup created ~680mb swap
[15:23] <HoopyCat> Bouni:  probably a good idea to create a publically-visible mockup that, if need be, could be used as the basis of a bug report
[15:23] <ioka_> what should I change there.something is wrong http://pastebay.com/61816
[15:24] <liveoutloud2day> I tried to run the kubuntu-netbook live cd on a Gateway M275, and it hung upon starting X - karmic beta works fine, is there a major difference?  Also is there a package to install to install the netbook part?
[15:24] <csb_> 680mb of swap prob isnt enough to store all the memory to.
[15:24] <csb_> piggz, ^ I think the swap space is used to dump the state to...
[15:25] <Bouni> HoppyCat: just a second, i try to make an example page
[15:25] <piggz> csb_: im talking about sleep, not hibernate,so should be ok
[15:25] <csb_> piggz, sorry.
[15:26] <csb_> piggz, I'm tired and have been drinking!
[15:26] <ioka_> if I delete the fstab will it be created again automatically?
[15:27] <jan____> hey, I installed a karmic snapshot from two weeks ago and now did a distupgrade. on restart, couchdb is not started automatically, is that not yet enabled?
[15:27] <Bouni> HoppyCat: try http://bouni.owee.de/test/page1.html
[15:27] <Bouni> mzz too: http://bouni.owee.de/test/page1.html
[15:28] <ioka_> is there a way to detach gedit from console or the only way is to start another terminal and use it
[15:28] <mzz> I'll look in a few minutes if I'm not beaten to it, multitasking
[15:28] <mzz> ioka_: ctrl+z, then "bg" + enter
[15:28] <mzz> or "detach" even
[15:29] <ioka_> bg?
[15:29] <rob0> ioka_: WHY do you think you should delete fstab? Probably no, it was created during the install, I doubt there is any mechanism to recreate it automagically.
[15:29] <rob0> "help bg" in a terminal
[15:30] <ioka_> what about if I want to use gedit it is dark now
[15:30] <ioka_> after I etach it from terminal
[15:30] <ioka_> *detached
[15:31] <Ozzy> CShadowRun: Does your version drop to a busybox shell?
[15:31] <rob0> "help fg" in a terminal
[15:32] <mzz> ioka_: "bg"
[15:32] <mzz> ioka_: or "fg", but that won't give you the term back
[15:33] <ioka_> I see but i do not know how to find out the jobs name
[15:34] <mzz> ioka_: have you tried just entering "bg" (with no further arguments) and hitting enter?
[15:34] <mzz> it defaults to the last job, if you know what I mean
[15:35]  * mzz wishes people would actually read his answers
[15:35] <Ozzy> does anyone know why I cannot adjust the brightness on my laptop screen?
[15:35] <ioka_> yes
[15:35] <ioka_> no backgound jobs
[15:36] <Ozzy> ioka_: What do you mean?
[15:36] <ioka_> when i type bg the output says no background jobs
[15:36] <ioka_> bg
[15:36] <ioka_> no now says fatal error
[15:37] <ioka_> root@lahopo:/etc# gedit: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0.
[15:38] <rsk> ioka_: you shouldn't do regular stuff as root.
[15:38] <ioka_> and when i kill it with ctrl + C shows gedit
[15:38] <mzz> ioka_: try "jobs"
[15:38] <ioka_> nothing
[15:38] <mzz> ioka_: just ctrl+z followed by "bg" really does work, normally. I'm not sure what you ended up doing if it doesn't.
[15:39] <ioka_> now it is fine bash: bg: current: no such job
[15:39] <ioka_> 10x
[15:40] <ioka_> and gedit starts again
[15:40] <mzz> Bouni: clicking "Click" says "hello world" in an alert. What was the problem again?
[15:42] <ioka_> I changed to root the edit fstab
[15:42] <Bouni> mzz.
[15:42] <Bouni> mzz in my website the exactly same code doesnt work
[15:43] <Bouni> i tryed in ubuntu 9.10 beta 6 Firefox 3.5.3
[15:43] <mzz> Bouni: works for me. This kind of thing might break if you disable or restrict js (noscript extension?) or if you're running off file:// instead of http://
[15:44] <Bouni> i think that i didnt have activated noscript.
[15:44] <wsch> do you know if the beta recognises NTFS partitions made by windows 7 ?
[15:44] <mzz> Bouni: also, obviously the error console is your friend
[15:44] <Bouni> and i tryed the code directly on my webserver, so the file:// problem isnt possible
[15:45] <wsch> the gparted in 9.04 regognises my intire disk as unallocated lol
[15:45] <Bouni> ok i think i will try to find out by error console
[15:45] <Bouni> bye
[15:45] <joaopinto> wsch, there is nothing special about NTFS created by windows 7, they are just plain NTFS, and yes, they are support for ntfs3g for quite some time
[15:45] <joaopinto> supported
[15:45] <ioka_> I can not start privoxy as a user.I need to be root.So if I add a line to start privoxy in rc.local will it be executed?
[15:45] <AceKing> Has anyone else come across the problem with movie player having a purple tint after upgrading to 9.10 beta?
[15:46] <joaopinto> wsch, it is a plain HD or RAID ?
[15:46] <wsch> joaopinto: plain
[15:46] <wsch> but windows 7 does something new when creating partitions
[15:46] <joaopinto> wsch, pastebin sudo fdisk -l
[15:46] <wsch> thats my issue but i dunno what it is etc
[15:46] <joaopinto> it does ?
[15:47] <wsch> ok let me try, im working under the livecd now so :)
[15:47] <wsch> erm that only shows sdb
[15:47] <wsch> joap
[15:48] <wsch> joaopinto:
[15:48] <wsch> that only shows my USB stick
[15:48] <wsch> which im booting from
[15:48] <wsch> gparted does show my harddrive but it says unallocated
[15:48] <wsch> ok WTF
[15:48] <wsch> i can browse my windows partition....
[15:49] <wsch> but gparted doesnt see it....
[15:49] <wsch> wtf is going on
[15:49] <joaopinto> wsch, there is something odd there, gparted should not be abled to identify devices that fdisk can't
[15:49] <wsch> oh sorry for language i forgot
[15:49] <wsch> its /dev/sda
[15:49] <wsch> thats the disk im talking about
[15:50] <joaopinto> wsch, sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda
[15:50] <wsch> cannot open
[15:50] <wsch> probably because its mounted
[15:50] <ioka_> I had a serious kernel crash, at least this what crash report said.I check the details of the report and I noticed that in my BIOS ECC is not enabled for my amd athlon64 and the report says that because of that the module will not be loaded.Would anyone explain?
[15:51] <joaopinto> wsch, fdisk can/should list mounted partitions
[15:51] <joaopinto> wsch, did you "sudo" ?
[15:51] <wsch> hahaha nope
[15:51] <wsch> i didnt think it was needed
[15:51] <joaopinto> grrr
[15:51] <wsch> sorry for my stupidity
[15:52] <joaopinto> :P
[15:52] <JanC> ioka_: ECC = memory checks, which only works if you have ECC memory, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_random_access_memory#Errors_and_error_correction
[15:52] <JanC> memory checks & correction
[15:53] <wsch> joaopinto: http://pastebin.com/m2bc79b3e
[15:53] <JanC> ioka_: so if you don't have ECC memory, it's normal to not load that module
[15:53] <joaopinto> wsch, the partitions are listed,
[15:53] <wsch> joaopinto: not in gparted
[15:53] <ioka_> yes 10x a lot for the info
[15:53]  * wsch is confused
[15:54] <joaopinto> wsch, fdisk is more reliable :)
[15:54] <wsch> yeah but how can i tell ubuntu to install on a partition its partition editor cannot even see?
[15:54] <joaopinto> for some reason (bug) gparted is failing to read your partition table
[15:55] <wsch> ok so i cannot install linux
[15:55] <joaopinto> wsch, on you case I would use the alternate install cd
[15:55] <wsch> doesnt the alternate cd do the same :s
[15:56] <wsch> joaopinto: im booted in 9.04 like i said though, do you think 9.10beta might have a fix for this?
[15:56] <joaopinto> no, it uses text utilities, which are likely to not have this problem, unless there is really something wrong with your part table definiton
[15:56] <joaopinto> wsch, no idea, nothing like testing with a live cd :)
[15:57] <wsch> yeah but it would be nice to know in advance if it would work
[15:57] <wsch> ive wasted a lot of time on this issue allready
[15:57] <wsch> i should be working for school
[16:02] <zerwas> What's the default key to enter the GRUB 2 menu?
[16:03] <mzz> zerwas: hold shift, probably
[16:03] <zerwas> mzz> thanks, i will try
[16:03] <ioka_> is fsstab the only way to tell the system what partition to use for swap?
[16:03] <ioka_> *fstab
[16:04] <mzz> ioka_: you can temporarily add extra swap using "swapon" from the commandline
[16:04] <Dr_Willis> !swap
[16:04] <zerwas> mzz> nothing happened. only 30 seconds with "GRUB loading."
[16:05] <ioka_> yes trying to open that site for 5 min
[16:05] <mzz> zerwas: skim the generated /boot/grub/grub.cfg then, I guess
[16:05] <mzz> zerwas: last time I had a hidden grub 2 menu holding shift during boot unhid it
[16:05] <ioka_> no mistake.It is a different site
[16:06] <zerwas> mzz> i would, if i could boot ubuntu. i have luks but i get no reaction if i enter something on boot when it shows "Enter passphrase:"
[16:06] <joaopinto> Dr_Willis, help.ubuntu.com is down :P
[16:06] <Dr_Willis> and this is my fault?
[16:06] <Dr_Willis> :)
[16:06] <joaopinto> just don't point users there :P
[16:06]  * Dr_Willis bets google cache is not.
[16:08] <Laibcoms> question: which component or part of Ubuntu should I address ubuntu-bug to?  - The HDD letter order that shows up in the "file dialog" randomizes every boot.  But my fstab was set correctly in order, and Nautilus shows the order correctly as well.
[16:10] <penguin42> Laibcoms: Which letter? in which dialog?
[16:13] <Laibcoms> penguin42: I have 2 HDD with 2 partitions each with mount-name "C-D; F-G". In fstab, I have it set in that order. If I open Nautilus, it shows correctly as well.  But once I try to open or save a file, the order can become "D-C-G-F" or "D-G-F-C" and so on.
[16:14] <penguin42> Laibcoms: Can you show your fstab somewhere?
[16:14] <Laibcoms> k, I'll post it in pastebin, 1min
[16:15] <Dr_Willis> Naming your Mountpoints C D E F G  - ICK. :) talk about being windows-trainde.
[16:15] <rob0> My guess would be that the dialog is possibly using a different sort criteria.
[16:15] <rob0> and yes, ick.
[16:15] <Dr_Willis> thats almost as bad as spaces and
[16:15] <Dr_Willis> ' marks in names
[16:16] <penguin42> Dr_Willis: My dad surpsied me by showing that you can use / in filenames in KDEs file manager
[16:16]  * Dr_Willis recalls some users using 'root' as their inital username  in a ubuntu release ages ago....
[16:17] <Dr_Willis> :)
[16:17] <rob0> But are those "/" really filename elements, or is it creating directories?
[16:17] <Dr_Willis> 'why cant i use a space in my user name......'
[16:17] <penguin42> rob0: It's using %3f in the filename hidden to the user
[16:17] <rob0> penguin42: oh that's awful.
[16:18] <penguin42> rob0: I'd been telling my dad for about 10mins that it was impossible to use / :-)
[16:19] <Laibcoms> penguin42: here -> http://pastebin.ca/1625228
[16:19] <penguin42> rob0: To be fair, for him it worked well - the things he was trying to use as filenames really did have /'s on their names in real life
[16:20] <Laibcoms> Dr_Willis: rob0: yep, windows :P hehe.. I dropped my the old names of my partitions (from "Serial Experiments Lain" :p )
[16:20] <penguin42> Laibcoms: Interesting - OK, that's not what I had expected would be the problem - I had thought maybe you were using /dev/sda and /dev/sdb etc - but if that's happeneing then I'd agree it's probably a bug in nautilus - it should use something consistent - however, just check your view->arrangement setting
[16:20] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. why oh why can this ONE xp box.. not see the 'work group computers' even tho it sees itself. and it can accesss the shares via ip..but not 'server name'
[16:21] <rob0> I disagree, probably not a bug at all, just different sorting criteria.
[16:21] <bjsnider> Dr_Willis, drop the firewall
[16:21] <bjsnider> on the xp box
[16:21] <Dr_Willis> it is gone
[16:21] <bjsnider> and it can't see the ubuntu systems?
[16:21] <bjsnider> is samba installed and running on those ssytems?
[16:21] <rob0> Willis, WINS resolution fails.
[16:21] <Dr_Willis> that wouldent explain why it can connect //192.168.1.14/Pics and not /fileserver/Pics
[16:22] <Dr_Willis> rob0:  yea.. not sure why its failing.
[16:22] <rob0> It's trivial to enable WINS in Samba.
[16:22] <Dr_Willis> bjsnider:  they all access each other fine
[16:22] <Dr_Willis> and i think i got wins going in samba
[16:22] <rob0> hmmm
[16:22] <penguin42> Dr_Willis: I think the name stuff comes from a separate protocol and that machine could have found a different machine to use as it's name lookup server;
[16:22] <Dr_Willis> # WINS Support - Tells the NMBD component of Samba to enable its WINS Server
[16:22] <Dr_Willis> wins support = yes
[16:22] <Dr_Willis> is enabled in this samba server
[16:22] <Laibcoms> penguin42: hmm, can't find "arrangement" in view via Nautilus. ^^;;
[16:22] <penguin42> Dr_Willis: Does your nmbd log show that machine is using it - or is it using some random other wins server?
[16:23] <hsarci> i accidentally remove my battery monitor from the top panel in gnome and i cant find it in the list to add it back to the panel....any ideas?
[16:23] <penguin42> Laibcoms: View->Arrange Items
[16:23] <Dr_Willis> there was only the 2 pcs on :)  so its either using this one..or itself.
[16:23] <rob0> It's a windows which is unable to use the WINS names?
[16:23] <Laibcoms> penguin42: btw, in Nautilus it works fine.  The random-order only shows up when I click "Open" or "Save" (ex. via gedit or OOo)
[16:23]  * penguin42 is curious what en_PH is ?
[16:24] <penguin42> Laibcoms: Oh I see, that I guess is the file dialog from libgtk ?
[16:24] <Laibcoms> penguin42: hmm, I dont have that, Arrange Items.
[16:24] <rob0> Phillippines?
[16:24] <Dr_Willis> here we go.. google got a good hit.
[16:24] <Laibcoms> yep Philippines
[16:24] <penguin42> is there much difference in English there than in the other English varients
[16:25] <Laibcoms> penguin42: Yep that one, file dialog..  so I have to ubuntu-bug libgtk for that?
[16:25] <bjsnider> the united states has invaded the philippines so many times that the few people who remain alive there speak english i guess
[16:25] <penguin42> Laibcoms: I think so
[16:25] <rob0> en_AU Crikey mate, that's one heck of a swordfish comin' at me!
[16:25] <Laibcoms> not really much.  Most of our "Philippine" English words are non-computer related.  But the "ISO" standard and related groups insists on using en PH :p
[16:27] <hsarci> i accidentally remove my battery monitor from the top panel in gnome and i cant find it in the list to add it back to the panel....any ideas?
[16:28] <Laibcoms> And what we really need to change/update is the switch from "Tagalog" (tl) to "Filipino" (fil).. but I heard it took us way up there, upstream.
[16:28] <Laibcoms> penguin42: thanks btw ^_^
[16:28] <Dr_Willis> there we go.. put in thw wins server ip of this box on the xp box.. I thinkthat kicked it in thehead.
[16:29] <rob0> Dr_Willis, you can have your DHCP server give that out as an option.
[16:30] <dreamon> Hello, is it possible to upgrade to Karmic without having a gui started.. right out of the console?
[16:30] <rob0> I can't remember what the option is right off, but I know I've seen it as a comment in dnsmasq config samples.
[16:30] <penguin42> dreamon: Yes
[16:31] <dreamon> penguin42, please give me syntax. Thands
[16:32] <penguin42> dreamon: Open up /etc/apt/sources.list and replace all the places it says jaunty by karmic, do an apt-get update and then an apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:32] <joaopinto> penguin42, that is not the proper way to upgrade !
[16:32] <dreamon> penguin42, Thanks i will give it a try.
[16:32] <joaopinto> !upgrading | dreamon
[16:33] <joaopinto> dreamon, do not, please use the recommended procedure
[16:33] <jimpop> penguin42, sidebar question: will that work with Intrepid->Karmic?
[16:33] <joaopinto> using do-release-upgrade
[16:33] <joaopinto> dist-upgrade is not a recommended procedure to do a release upgrade
[16:34] <penguin42> joaopinto: Can you explain why please
[16:34] <jimpop> joaopinto, will do-release-upgrade work from Intrepid -> Karmic?   Is it even installed on Intrepid?
[16:34] <penguin42> jimpop: I'd go in two stages intrepid->jaunty and then jaunty->karmic
[16:34] <jimpop> drats.  Thanks
[16:34] <joaopinto> penguin42, because a full release upgrade requires some upgrade tweeks which are not handle by the regular packaging scripts, do-release-upgrade / update-manager cover such situations
[16:35] <penguin42> joaopinto: Yeech I hadn't realised stuff was done outside the packaging - that's nasty
[16:35]  * jimpop agrees with penguin42 
[16:36] <jimpop> it makes it harder to Support when things get re-invented
[16:36] <joaopinto> penguin42, there are inter package problems, is not that easy to implement such at a packaging level, when change all the core packages at once
[16:36] <JanC> it's also partially to work around badly packaged 3rd party packages and such...
[16:36] <jimpop> joaopinto, it worked in the past
[16:37] <dreamon> joaopinto, The update-manager dont work from console.? Im having problems in Jaunty with graphic chipset .. So can only walk in console.. any idea?
[16:37] <JanC> dist-upgrade will work in many cases, especially if you know how to manually resolve conflicts yourself (e.g. in aptitude or synaptic)
[16:37] <joaopinto> dreamon, do-release-upgrade is the console option
[16:37] <penguin42> jimpop: I think what he's saying that it's there to fix up the special cases which might not work
[16:38] <jimpop> yeah... i'd prefer the effort go towards straightening out upstream, etc.
[16:39] <dreamon> joaopinto, do-release-upgrade -> No new release found -> Jaunty with 2.6.2-11 Kernel
[16:40] <joaopinto> dreamon, you understand that karmic is beta right ?
[16:40] <NoelJB> Can anyone reproduce https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotificationDevelopmentGuidelines?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=append-hint-example.py actually working??
[16:40] <joaopinto> dreamon, do-release-upgrade -d
[16:40] <dreamon> joaopinto, Yes, no Problem.. is an new installation.. nothing to loose
[16:41] <NoelJB> I just ran it against a clean install of Karmic, and append does not appear to work at all.
[16:41] <dreamon> joaopinto, Thanks.. This rocks.
[16:42] <penguin42> For those interested the tar of stuff that upgraded downloads is here http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/karmic.tar.gz
[16:43] <erry> hai
[16:43] <erry> im back
[16:44] <Dr_Willis> NoelJB:  it works here.. sort of.
[16:44] <Dr_Willis> if its supposed to print a silly message at the top right in a notify dialog :)
[16:45] <NoelJB> Dr_Willis, it is supposed to APPEND messages, not replace them.
[16:45] <NoelJB> bug 337394
[16:46] <Dr_Willis> No idea what append even means in this case
[16:46] <NoelJB> Dr_Willis, http://people.canonical.com/~mmueller/append-example-with-sync-bubble.ogg
[16:46] <NoelJB> That is what they say it SHOULD look like.
[16:47] <Dr_Willis> Definatl dnt work that way
[16:47] <NoelJB> Dr_Willis, please comment on that bug, then, please.
[16:47]  * penguin42 wonders why the magic in that dist-upgrade file isn't just included in ubuntu-base or the like
[16:47] <downhiller> hi
[16:47] <downhiller> will kubuntu 9.10 have a better kde integration than the version before?
[16:48] <Dr_Willis> if it says 'fix released' dont that mean its  fix is in the chain of updates that will get released?
[16:49] <NoelJB> Dr_Willis, fix released is supposed to mean that it is actually released.  fix committed means that there is a fix committed.
[16:49] <NoelJB> fix released should be set by the launchpad janitor when the package is being published.
[16:50] <Dr_Willis> You just used released and commited to define what released and commited means. :) but its my bed time.. so im groggy anyway
[16:50] <joaopinto> penguin42, how would you enforce ubuntu-base to be the first package to be installed ? also an installed package can't change the "in progress" upgrade operations
[16:50] <joaopinto> I mean, an upgrade package process can't change other packages upgrades
[16:50] <Dr_Willis> found -> commited -> released. :)
[16:50] <Dr_Willis> that the order?
[16:51] <NoelJB> committed means to source control, released means to a published package.
[16:51] <penguin42> joaopinto: Ah yes I see what you mean; still what does that mean if you upgrade to an alpha or a beta and then keep updating - I assume any fixes added to that upgrade path don't actually get pulled in?
[16:51] <Laibcoms> thanks again. ^^  11:51pm here.. sleepy
[16:53] <joaopinto> penguin42, afaik, you are right
[16:55] <penguin42> joaopinto: I guess you could meet half way by putting all the detail in the package and what that do-release-upgrade could do is fetch and install that package and then do everything else
[16:55] <jbuncher> penguin42, can you clarify?
[16:56] <NoelJB> mac_v, Dr_Willis sees the same as I.  Appending not working.
[16:56] <NoelJB> mac_v, I just want another confirm before re-opening bug 337394
[16:57] <mac_v> NoelJB: xchat?
[16:57] <joaopinto> penguin42, how would that be better than implementing it in the update-manager :) ?
[16:57] <NoelJB> mac_v, what about xchat?
[16:57] <mac_v> NoelJB: do you see the appending not working for xchat? or for all
[16:57] <NoelJB> mac_v, this is a NotifyOSD bug, not xchat.
[16:57] <penguin42> joaopinto: When you did further updates later in the alpha/beta path it would be picked up
[16:58] <NoelJB> mac_v, I am running https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotificationDevelopmentGuidelines?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=append-hint-example.py
[16:58] <joaopinto> penguin42, thoses fixes are not expected to be applied in regular updates, they are expected to be part of the release upgrade process, not package...
[16:58] <Dr_Willis> Yep.. append not working
[16:58] <mac_v> NoelJB: i'v been noticing the appending not working for any of my xchat pings...
[16:58] <NoelJB> mac_v, It has nothing to do with x-chat.  I am trying to work on something else, and append doesn't work.  So I test with the example, and it doesn't work either.
[16:58] <mac_v> NoelJB: i understand that ;)
[16:58] <NoelJB> mac_v, Ah, so that's why you mentioned x-chat.
[16:59] <NoelJB> OK, so should I re-open that bug?
[16:59] <mac_v> NoelJB: sure
[16:59] <joaopinto> anyway, I didn't look into the update-manager code, I don't know for sure if some of those fixes are applied on regular upgrades :P
[16:59] <Dr_Willis> at least now we have confirmation its not just somthing odd with that python example.
[17:00] <Dr_Willis> Ijust updated/upgraded and is still has the same issue NoelJB
[17:00] <penguin42> joaopinto: It just felt a little odd to me, but I do understand the ordering issue you point out
[17:00] <ToxinPowe> Anyone know why ALT+F2 doesn't work on my KDE4? :s
[17:00] <Dekans> does someone uses stasks plasmoid from the repos ?
[17:00] <claude> hi, using karmic beta - how do i get a text mode console (one where i can log in and enter commands)?
[17:00] <NoelJB> Dr_Willis, thanks.
[17:01] <downhiller> yes/no?
[17:01] <Dekans> claude: launch the terminal app
[17:01] <Twigathy> I think he means "How do I press ctrl-alt-F1" c_c
[17:01] <claude> Dekans: sorry, i meant console without X running
[17:01] <claude> Twigathy: yes, tried that, no dice
[17:02] <Dekans> ctrl+alt+F1
[17:02] <Dekans> idem with F2, F3,...,F6
[17:02] <claude> Dekans: displays the usual live usb stuff on some of them, but no log in prompt on any of those
[17:03] <aj_444> I'm trying to install Gimpshop but when I hit install in the package manager I get an error message. help?
[17:04] <Dr_Willis> claude:  there was a bug last week where they dident show up login: prompts on the consoles.
[17:04] <Dr_Willis> !info gimpshop
[17:04] <wirechief> claude i think that the gdm is now treated as a service, you have to kill it in the terminal, look at man service for more info
[17:04] <Dr_Willis> claude:  sudo service gdm stop
[17:04] <claude> Dr_Willis: ah, so i need to try a nightly?
[17:05] <Dr_Willis> claude:  or do a update/upgrade/dist-upgrade - i had the issue with my nvidia card a week or so ago.. but it got fixed about 5 days ago
[17:05] <claude> Dr_Willis: i tried /etc/init.d/gdm stop and it left me with no option but ctrl-alt-del to reboot - as there was no login console
[17:06] <Dr_Willis> gdm is nalded by upstart.. get away from the init.d  methods.. use 'sudo service ......'
[17:06] <claude> ah ok - i'll try it
[17:06] <Dr_Willis> but if theres no console logins.. well :)
[17:06] <Dr_Willis> those are also handled by upstart
[17:07] <claude> Dr_Willis: ok, i think my course of action will be to download a nightly build and see if that gets me consoles
[17:08] <claude> will be back in a couple of hours (after dinner) with report of success/failure
[17:08] <claude> thanks!
[17:08] <jbuncher> I'm going to miss things in /etc/init.d/........
[17:10] <Dr_Willis> they are still there.. some of them. :) at least
[17:10] <Dr_Willis> at least we are not using some of the... odd.. init systems used by some othe disrtos.
[17:12] <jbuncher> Dr_Willis, can't say I'm too familiar with the other init systems, have only every really used debian and ubuntu.
[17:12] <jbuncher> is update-rd.d still going to work?  I use that to re-order when vmware/vbox start up their services so samba doesn't go crazy
[17:12] <Dr_Willis> Yea. gentoo and arch   are a little.. odd...
[17:13] <Dr_Willis> jbuncher:  it should still work
[17:13] <Dr_Willis> jbuncher:  unless of course vmware/vbox get moved to upstart
[17:13] <Dr_Willis> not all services are moved at this time
[17:13] <Dr_Willis> check in /etc/init
[17:14] <Dr_Willis> those are upstart handled services.. ONE of those handles the init.2/rc2.d stuff
[17:14] <jbuncher> Dr_Willis, is there a way to change the order that upstart starts things in?
[17:14] <Dr_Willis> proberly is.
[17:14] <Dr_Willis> but ive never noticed how
[17:14] <Dr_Willis> thew way its written everything is suppoed to say what it needs and wait on it.. then launch after everhtying it needs is ready
[17:14] <Dr_Willis> so there should be no need to twiddle with the order.
[17:15] <jbuncher> Dr_Willis, hmm, ok
[17:15] <Dr_Willis> cat /etc/init/ufw.conf
[17:15] <Dr_Willis> and look.
[17:15] <jbuncher> wonder when vbox will be updated to that
[17:15] <Dr_Willis> start on net-device-added INTERFACE=lo
[17:15] <jbuncher> ok, I'll take a look there next time I boot to karmic
[17:16] <Dr_Willis> theres a net-device-added flag somehow added by the other scripts  .. and that one waits for it.
[17:16] <Dr_Willis> I still dont understand it all. :P
[17:16] <forkhandles> i upgraded my netbook (kubuntu) and lost wicd, whats worse is eth0 isn't coming up and I can't connect to internet at all
[17:16] <downhiller> hi
[17:17] <downhiller> did anyone try Kubuntu karmic?
[17:18] <rsk> ...
[17:18] <penguin42> downhiller: Well that's why we're all here
[17:18] <jbuncher> Dr_Willis, Ok, that line would be exactly what I need for samba, assuming that when the vbox net device gets added a flag gets triggered like that.
[17:19] <bjsnider> not kubuntu necessarily though
[17:19] <penguin42> true
[17:19] <downhiller> does kde run smoothly and fast in karmic?
[17:19] <Dr_Willis> jbuncher:  ive neer had any issues with vbox and samba :)
[17:20] <Dr_Willis> but perhaps its becuse of how i use virtualbox
[17:21] <jbuncher> Dr_Willis, I want to bind samba to a vbox interface, so ppl can't access it through the wired or wireless connection when I'm on a public access point.  Since samba starts up before vbox by default, it throws errors and doesn't get bound to the vbox interface unless I restart it.
[17:21] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.
[17:22] <jbuncher> Dr_Willis, and yes, I have security set to user, but I just want to bind to the interface as an extra security layer.
[17:22] <Dr_Willis> ive gottenwhere  i just use the vbox 'share' feature of the vbox guest addations :)
[17:22] <Dr_Willis> i only test out live cd's in vbox..  :) so my needs are minimal
[17:22] <MindVirus> Is it safe to remove policykit?
[17:22] <Dr_Willis> !info policykit
[17:22] <ToxinPowe> Anyone know why ALT+F2 doesn't work on my KDE4 please? :s
[17:23] <jbuncher> Dr_Willis, yeah, I'd rather not use the internal vbox sharing mechanism, would rather use good ol' open source samba.
[17:23] <Dr_Willis> i spent too much time learning HOW to use the vbox shareing thing. :)
[17:23] <MindVirus> Anyone know?
[17:23] <Dr_Willis> MindVirus:  it says its optional...
[17:23] <Dr_Willis> go for it!
[17:24] <Dr_Willis> 'famous last words'
[17:24] <MindVirus> I don't trust "optional".
[17:24] <NoelJB> Dr_Willis, I'm curious to see how optional it really is ... a lot of things are using it.
[17:25] <jbuncher> Dr_Willis, lol that's how I feel about samba (that's how I had folders set up in vmware, going to switch over to vbox on the karmic upgrade, think it will be easier to deal with than vmware (was using version 1, don't want to upgrade to server 2.0)
[17:26] <Dr_Willis> I had to give up on vmware..it got so weird in the last change version (version 2?) i couldent figure how to use it...
[17:26] <Dr_Willis> Virtualbox has been progressing nicely for my needs
[17:27] <jbuncher> Dr_Willis, Yeah, one reason I'm switching is the ose edition of open source is good enough that it has everything I need, just need the guest additions to get the different resolutions/fullscreen to work.
[17:27] <mzz> MindVirus: policykit may very well be safe to remove. policykit-1 probably isn't.
[17:28] <mzz> MindVirus: policykit is actually the 0.9 version, which is going away (autoremove got rid of it here recently)
[17:28] <MindVirus> mzz: So, do I trust you?
[17:28] <mzz> MindVirus: well, I'd trust autoremove if it wants to remove policykit (and not a lot of other stuff at the same time)
[17:29] <MindVirus> mzz: I am trusting debfoster.
[17:29] <mzz> MindVirus: I'd worry if it wants to remove policykit-1 (on a regular desktop)
[17:29] <mzz> MindVirus: same probably applies
[17:29] <MindVirus> It doesn't,.
[17:29] <MindVirus> *doesn't.
[17:29] <mzz> sec, lemme get you a relevant bug comment
[17:30] <mzz> MindVirus: see bug 435714 comment #5
[17:31] <MindVirus> policykit-1 will eventually be policykit, yes?
[17:31] <mzz> MindVirus: they can coexist. Packages using policykit should be ported to use policykit-1 instead (see that bug for an example)
[17:31] <jbuncher> anyone know how to get "reset" and "shutdown" into the "leave" section of the default kde menu?
[17:31] <mzz> MindVirus: I don't know what'll happen to the package naming, if that's what you meant.
[17:32] <jbuncher> it seems beyond absurd that they don't have those there
[17:32] <MindVirus> mzz: Yes, that's what I meant.
[17:32] <MindVirus> Thanks a lot for helping, mzz.
[17:32]  * sunshinepants has been running 9.10 on a mini 9 for the past week.  super nice.  super happy.
[17:32] <mzz> no problem
[17:32] <Jagwire> has there been any progress on the intel graphics chipset boot issue?
[17:32] <mzz> MindVirus: I found this confusing too, took me a bit to figure out "policykit" was the old one
[17:32] <jbuncher> Jagwire, I think I saw something on that come through in the past week or so.
[17:33] <MindVirus> mzz: debfoster is the shit.
[17:33] <MindVirus> What disappoints me is that it doesn't catch everything.
[17:33] <Jagwire> I wasn't sure if there has been a work around other than the i918.mode=0 thing...
[17:34] <vak> hi all
[17:34]  * Dr_Willis hides
[17:35] <vak> after update I can't connect via mobile connection anymore. (I use a built-in 3G-modem)
[17:36] <vak> where could I find the appropriate logs to figgure out what's going on during mobile connections and why it fails?
[17:38] <mzz> MindVirus: I don't know how supported this is, but I've manually ran "aptitude markauto" on pretty much everything, after which regular apt's autoremove becomes useful.
[17:38] <mzz> (for some reason everything installed by the installer is marked as manually installed)
[17:39] <mzz> although that still doesn't catch everything, "Recommends" is a bit tricky like that
[17:39] <jbuncher> mzz MindVirus Yeah, why is everything labeled as manually installed now?
[17:40] <mzz> jbuncher: I think it's really a missing feature of the installer. The default state of installed stuff is "installed by hand", "auto" is the exception (see /var/lib/apt/extended_states)
[17:41] <mzz> jbuncher: so what I do is attempt to "aptitude markauto" everything, then keep filtering out packages until that doesn't want to immediately autoremove anything (which usually means keeping most of the ubuntu-* metapackages manually installed and a handful of other packages)
[17:41] <jbuncher> mzz, dang, that's kind of annoying
[17:42] <jbuncher> mzz :  yeah..........that doesn't seem like the best idea
[17:42] <mzz> a secondary problem is at least jaunty's apt-mark is buggy (which is why I use aptitude markauto, which apparently also writes to apt's extended_states)
[17:42] <mzz> works fine so far
[17:42] <mzz> I also have a (moronic, I need to rewrite it) script that lists all package names that are not marked as automatically installed
[17:43] <jbuncher> mzz : yeah, just seems odd.  I'll have to figure out something :)
[17:48] <s1gmab3ta> hey guys, anyone use VMWare Workstation? I am having trouble compiling the necessary kernel images to use it since upgrading to 9.10
[17:49] <hayes> hi. i swapped over to a beta driver of nvidia and while it is using it, im not gettign gl support now. any ideas to turn it on or to tell the machine im actually using it? aka like if i click hardware drivers it shows the old driver and says if i want to enable gl support i have to use it instead.. ?
[17:50] <s1gmab3ta> hayes: did you use a howto when installing this driver
[17:51] <hayes> i used gdm stop.. sudo'ed the .run and installed it. then reloaded x
[17:51] <s1gmab3ta> at the end of the script it asks "hey do you want to run the xconfig script yes/no"
[17:51] <s1gmab3ta> did yuo say yes
[17:51] <hayes> did i go look for a howto.. no hehe.. yes i told it yes.
[17:51] <hayes> i got no errors
[17:51] <s1gmab3ta> hm
[17:51] <hayes> it does appear to be functioning.. just no gl
[17:52] <s1gmab3ta> check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[17:52] <s1gmab3ta> and search for (EE)
[17:52] <s1gmab3ta> that'll give away the problem for sure
[17:52] <hayes> you mean this
[17:52] <hayes> Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
[17:52] <hayes> 	(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
[17:52] <hayes> 	(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
[17:53] <s1gmab3ta> that is a legend
[17:53] <hayes> yea im not seeing it anywhere else
[17:53] <CShadowRun> Ozzy, sorry for slow reply, yes my livecd did drop to a busybox shell, but i managed to get it to work in the end, i think my CD drive is a little screwy.
[17:53] <MindVirus> From the depths of hell...
[17:53] <MindVirus> Probed has arisen!
[17:53] <s1gmab3ta> no EEs? really?
[17:54] <s1gmab3ta> no wonder your devices don't work!
[17:54] <hayes> (II) Oct 16 13:49:57 NVIDIA(0): Initialized OpenGL Acceleration
[17:54] <s1gmab3ta> aha! ha! ... oy....
[17:54] <s1gmab3ta> tough crowd.
[17:54] <hayes> yea.. no errors.. but compiz wont work now
[17:54] <s1gmab3ta> is there "initializing extension GLX" soon after
[17:54] <hayes> (II) Oct 16 13:49:57 NVIDIA(0): Initialized X Rendering Acceleration
[17:55] <s1gmab3ta> matter of fact
[17:55] <s1gmab3ta> have you upgraded to the latest packages
[17:55] <hayes> II) Loading extension NV-GLX
[17:55] <s1gmab3ta> because now that i think of it
[17:55] <s1gmab3ta> a few days ago i had no compiz either
[17:55] <hayes> hmm ill check it. sec
[17:55] <s1gmab3ta> and i upgraded today and it was fixed again
[17:56] <amgarchIn9> what happened to xrandr extensions? I cannot change resulution anymore with "xrandr" (Intel 945 GPU)
[17:58] <JPSman> so i'm trying out the 9.10 beta live CD in virtualbox, how can I increase the desktop resolution size?  its stuck at 800x600
[17:58] <s1gmab3ta> JPSman: you probably can't on the liveCD, i think you have to install the guest extensions
[17:58] <ryguy> Howdy
[17:59] <hayes> i am seeing some new pakcges. but none that should effect it. ill install them and check it out though.
[17:59] <JPSman> slgmab3ta: there are guest extensions for ubuntu for the virtual box though?  are those in synaptic?
[17:59] <s1gmab3ta> hayes: that's what i thought too
[18:00] <hayes> hehe ok brb
[18:00] <s1gmab3ta> JPSman: im not sure, its been a while since i used virtualbox, but i am pretty sure it is one of the menu options in virtualbox
[18:00] <ryguy> I installed karmic and rebooted and I got greeted with grub through "Error 15" at me. So I followed the ubuntu wiki guide "Recover Grub After Windows Installation" because that has worked for me before (on grub 1, though) and now when I boot up I just get greeted with a grub command line interface that looks like "grub> "
[18:00] <ryguy> I dont know what to do, any help would be greatly appreciated
[18:00] <JPSman> slgmab3ta: thank you :OD
[18:00] <hayes> i downloaded and installed virtualbox fromt heir website. didnt use the packaged one. it wasnt as new.
[18:01] <maco> empathy users?
[18:01] <hayes> i think thats what i did anyways.. lol
[18:01] <maco> does View -> File Transfers lack an icon?
[18:01] <JPSman> hayes: thank you
[18:01] <hayes> been a long evening.
[18:01] <maco> im just getting the standard "no icon found" ? icon
[18:02] <hayes> thats actually the first part of why i thoguht something was up. i was getting a no gl card found in virtualbox.. and my compiz stopped working.
[18:02] <hayes> brb goign to restart
[18:02] <jbuncher> JPSman, I just tried the guest additions on karmic, you can just install them from synaptic, worked great for me
[18:03] <JPSman> jbuncher: what is the package called?  thanks you btw
[18:05] <CShadowRun> I'm not a happy bunny
[18:05] <CShadowRun> Which smart person decided that it'd be clever to not allow you to resize a window over a screen border?
[18:06] <CShadowRun> It was always fine in every other version of ubuntu, never caused any problem. Theres no reason to block it
[18:06] <JPSman> which application?
[18:06] <CShadowRun> JPSman, all of them
[18:06] <amgarchIn9> the KDE interface to screen resolution controls is broken. In last release I was able to scale rotate the display area by 30 deg. Now RANDR seems to be broken again. Anybody confirms?
[18:07] <penguin42> you could rotate by 30degrees? Wow - I wonder how it did that
[18:07] <russlar> anybody know of any issues with teh propretary, cisco vpn client on karmic's kernel?
[18:07] <amgarchIn9> penguin42: man xrandr
[18:07] <CShadowRun> haha 30 :P
[18:08] <s1gmab3ta> why 30 degrees...
[18:08] <penguin42> amgarchIn9: Wow - I hadn't realised it could do arbitrary angles - I assumed it was multiples of 90
[18:08] <PolitikerNEU> Hello, does anybody know how to find out why xorg has 99% CPU usage?
[18:08] <russlar> s1gmab3ta: tilted desk?
[18:08] <hayes> well sig. its working again. lol
[18:08] <CShadowRun> ah, it's a compiz "feature"
[18:08] <hayes> =-D
[18:08] <CShadowRun> brb, stabbing compiz devs in the face
[18:09] <russlar> lol
[18:09] <s1gmab3ta> hayes: yeah see
[18:09] <hayes> goofy ;D
[18:09] <hayes> thanks
[18:09] <penguin42> you could really confuse someone by leaving there desktop tilted by 5deg
[18:09] <s1gmab3ta> hayes: i didn't really do much lol
[18:09] <s1gmab3ta> glad it works though
[18:09] <hayes> lol yea but still
[18:09] <s1gmab3ta> hayes: must just be beta weirdness
[18:10] <hayes> lets see if gl works in vb now =D
[18:11] <hayes> damn. still no luck. must be the program in that case =(
[18:11] <dotblank3> Filesystem on filesystem.squashfs is (4:0), which is a later filesystem version than I support!
[18:11] <hayes> im tryign to get Everquest working of all things.. lol.. wine didnt do so well.. so tried using virtualbox. it spose to support a gl mode. bu eq says no 3d devices found. sniffles.
[18:12] <dotblank3> fantastic ow how am I going to update the iso in jaunty
[18:12] <s1gmab3ta> virtualbox isn't so hot with its GL suppot i think
[18:12] <hayes> but i know gl is working on the desktop now at least
[18:12] <s1gmab3ta> even VMWare workstation, well it works
[18:12] <s1gmab3ta> but like i have a Geforce 9600GT
[18:12] <s1gmab3ta> pretty solid hardware right
[18:12] <hayes> i just really dont want to duel boot to play this dam game hehe
[18:12] <s1gmab3ta> it only passably runs Beyond Good and Evil
[18:12] <s1gmab3ta> a 2003 game
[18:12] <hayes> hah i remember that game
[18:12] <s1gmab3ta> very solid game!
[18:13] <hayes> it was fun as hell
[18:13] <s1gmab3ta> try wine
[18:13] <ryguy> Can anyone help me with grub 2?
[18:13] <s1gmab3ta> you might have better luck with that
[18:13] <russlar> ryguy: there's a great grub2 manual at kubuntuforums.nrt
[18:13] <hayes> i was getting an error with wine.. but yea at least its not this one
[18:13] <hayes> good and evil.. ill have to find that one again ;)
[18:14] <ryguy> russlar: I'll check that out. my problem, specifically, is what grub goes right to a command like interface instead of the boot menu O_o
[18:14] <russlar> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3106368.0
[18:17] <nemo> paravirt.h:728: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `push'
[18:17] <nemo> dkms build -m nvidia -v 185.18.36
[18:17] <nemo> known? :-/
[18:17] <amgarchIn9> does this work with you: "xrandr --output LVDS  --mode 1024x768" ? for CRT use VGA instead of LVDS
[18:18] <NoelJB> nemo, I don't see it.
[18:18] <nemo> NoelJB: what kernel?
[18:18] <nemo> and. i686?
[18:18] <nemo> KERNELRELEASE=2.6.31-14-generic
[18:18] <hayes> sig, you think i might have better luck with vm_ws vs vb?
[18:18] <NoelJB> nemo, I have linux-headers-2.6.31-14 (stock karmic) and linux-headers-2.6.32-020632rc5 (mainline)
[18:19] <NoelJB> nemo, same for the images (just grabbed the wrong paste)
[18:19] <NoelJB> nemo, x86_64
[18:19] <nemo> ah...
[18:19] <nemo> not quite the same then
[18:19] <NoelJB> nope
[18:19] <nemo> however, my machine *did* lock up during update...
[18:19] <nemo> maybe it was while unpacking header
[18:20] <NoelJB> nemo, you could force a reinstall.  I wonder what the percentage is of 64 bit and legacy hardware out there now.
[18:21] <hayes> well take it easy. o/
[18:25] <penguin42> NoelJB: Ah that's just cruel calling peoples 32bit machines legac
[18:25] <penguin42> y
[18:25] <dotblank3> when upgrading the kernel do I need to have /sys mounted?
[18:26] <penguin42>  NoelJB: But you do still get Core and similar spec laptops sold at the lower end
[18:26] <penguin42> dotblank3: I don't know - but why wouldn't you?
[18:26] <dotblank3> penguin42: im in the 9.10 squashfs chroot
[18:26] <joaopinto> dotblank, just bind mount it
[18:27] <dotblank3> I already ran the command
[18:27] <dotblank3> ughs
[18:27] <NoelJB> penguin42, and most netbooks appear to run low-end processors.
[18:27] <penguin42> NoelJB: Yeh, althouh I think atom is 64bit
[18:28] <penguin42> ah - only on some models
[18:28] <Armageddon> any major bugs in the beta release ?
[18:28] <Lenin_Cat> dose karmic support fglrx?
[18:28] <dotblank3> some bugs.. but im trying to make an updated livecd right now
[18:28] <sdg> I keep getting "Could not connect to pop3.live.com: Connection timed out" in Evolution.
[18:28] <sdg> It's so frustrating being unable to receive emails.
[18:29] <Lenin_Cat> dose karmic support fglrx?!
[18:29] <ibuclaw> ryguy, its quieter in here.
[18:29] <Armageddon> !evolution | sdg
[18:29] <Armageddon> :/
[18:29] <Lenin_Cat> !fglrx
[18:29]  * Armageddon hits the bot on the head
[18:29] <Lenin_Cat> ,...
[18:29] <ibuclaw> \!fail | Armageddon
[18:29] <Lenin_Cat> dose karmic support fglrx?!
[18:29] <sdg> I've double checked the settings countless times.
[18:30] <NoelJB> Armageddon, so far, the only serious bug I have with karmic is bug 417041.  and I don't know if anyone else sees it.
[18:30] <Lenin_Cat> did you tripple check it?
[18:30] <dotblank3> I dont have an ati card soo... I dont know
[18:30] <Armageddon> NoelJB, can you link me please ?
[18:30] <ryguy> ibuclaw: yeah it is
[18:30] <NoelJB> Armageddon, link you?
[18:30] <Armageddon> give me a link to the bug
[18:30] <ibuclaw> ryguy, ok, have you ever heard of the command 'chroot' ?
[18:31] <ryguy> ibuclaw: no, is it for mounting?
[18:31] <NoelJB> Armageddon, ubottu already did
[18:32] <ibuclaw> ryguy, chroot is used for changing root (/) directories. Used primarily for building/compiling and fixing broken systems =)
[18:32] <ibuclaw> ryguy,
[18:32] <ibuclaw> just going to walk you through the process
[18:32] <ryguy> wait
[18:32] <Armageddon> thanks NoelJB
[18:32] <ibuclaw> is the filesystem mounted ?
[18:32] <ryguy> why cant I just do `mount /dev/sda1 whereever`
[18:32] <NoelJB> I'm going to hope that it mysteriously goes away when I do a clean re-install. :-\
[18:32] <ryguy> and try to reinstal grub
[18:33] <ibuclaw> ryguy, that is what I am suggesting
[18:33] <Armageddon> well NoelJB in Jaunty something really weird happened, My bluetooth doesn't work, still doesn't but for a while it worked fine and then stoped working :/
[18:33] <dotblank3> I dont know how the cd packages or w/e they are called fit all this on one cd
[18:33] <Lenin_Cat> dose karmic support fglrx?!
[18:33] <ryguy> ibuclaw: alright
[18:33] <dotblank3> its crazy voodoo
[18:33] <ibuclaw> you have to chroot into 'whereever' first though, to run the command
[18:33] <ryguy> Lenin_Cat: Yes
[18:34] <TDJACR> Has anyone gotten MacBook Pro 5,3 sound working on Karmic Yet?
[18:34] <Armageddon> !fglrx
[18:34]  * jagwire wishes intel wasn't shady with their graphics stuph :(
[18:34] <ryguy> Lenin_Cat: System > dministration > Hardware Drivers
[18:34] <Lenin_Cat> Armageddon, that page is majorly outdated
[18:34] <shadeslayer> yayy... upgrade complete
[18:34] <Lenin_Cat> ryanakca, know Im using it in 9.04
[18:34] <Armageddon> Lenin_Cat: what page ?
[18:34] <ibuclaw> ryguy, okies,  sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[18:34] <dotblank3> Lenin_Cat: you should just try it then
[18:34] <Amjad> hello
[18:34] <Lenin_Cat> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[18:34] <shadeslayer> Amjad: hi
[18:34] <nemo> NoelJB: yeah, that was it.
[18:35] <TDJACR> !mac
[18:35] <Armageddon> thanks Lenin_Cat
[18:35] <nemo> NoelJB: built after reinstalling headers
[18:35] <TDJACR> No...
[18:35] <ryguy> ibuclaw: alright
[18:35] <Lenin_Cat> ryguy, I know, I just want to know before I upgrade
[18:35] <ibuclaw> ryguy, next you mount --bind the dev proc and sys directories.
[18:35] <Lenin_Cat> and go WEEEEEEEEE
[18:35] <ryguy> Lenin_Cat: Does your video card have linux drivers?
[18:35] <Lenin_Cat> ati, yes. Duh.
[18:35] <ibuclaw> sudo mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev
[18:35] <ibuclaw> sudo mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys
[18:35] <ibuclaw> sudo mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc
[18:36] <Lenin_Cat> ryguy, im using fglrx fine in 9.04
[18:36] <shadeslayer> ryguy: almost every card is supported by ati and nvidia on linux
[18:36] <Amjad> hi shadeslayer how to be a distributor vpn
[18:36] <Lenin_Cat> I just want to know before I upgrade
[18:36] <ibuclaw> (at least, that is how I remember runnign the commands)
[18:36]  * ibuclaw double checks
[18:36] <ryguy> then it should be fine on 9.10
[18:36] <NoelJB> nemo, great :-)
[18:36] <arrrghhh> hey, how do i instal paprefs in karmic?  it's telling me there's no candidate version.
[18:36] <shadeslayer> Amjad: you need vpn right?
[18:36] <dotblank3> Lenin_Cat: well it is beta.... so dont get mad if it doesnt work
[18:36] <shadeslayer> !vpn | Amjad
[18:36] <Amjad> What are the requirements?
[18:36] <Armageddon> NoelJB
[18:36] <Lenin_Cat> dotblank, to bad :)
[18:36] <Armageddon> did you update ?
[18:36] <ryguy> ibuclaw: i did ls /mnt and dev, proc, and sys are all in there =)
[18:36] <shadeslayer> Amjad: just have a look at the wiki
[18:36] <NoelJB> Armageddon, update?
[18:37] <ibuclaw> ryguy, ah, but they are all empty
[18:37] <ryguy> ibuclaw: Oh I see
[18:37] <ibuclaw> ryguy, /proc, /sys and /dev (and /dev/pts) are temporary filesystems that only exist at run-time
[18:37] <Amjad> ok
[18:37] <Armageddon> NoelJB, someone on the bug report said that the problem was gone with a kernel update
[18:37] <Armageddon> oh you said that :/
[18:37] <shadowhywind> hay all having two strange problems, the first being that I can not open the kde walletmanager
[18:38] <jbuncher> Any network manager devs in here I can poke about Bug 449888?
[18:38] <ryguy> ibuclaw: alright got em mounted
[18:38] <ibuclaw> okies
[18:38] <Amjad> shadowhywind I have a vps server application on the server will be
[18:38] <ibuclaw> ryguy, sudo chroot /mnt
[18:38] <NoelJB> Armageddon, I'm the only person who has ever commented on it.  it did go away for a bit, then came back.  :-(
[18:38] <ibuclaw> figures crossed, it will work =)
[18:38]  * Armageddon nods
[18:39] <marco__> hi. is it possible to upgrade from ubuntu 9.04 to 9.10 beta?
[18:39] <ryguy> alright says `root@ubuntu:/#`
[18:39] <ibuclaw> excellent
[18:39] <arrrghhh> marco__, of course.  update-manager -d, or do-release-update
[18:39] <Amjad> shadowhywind And use ssh only
[18:39] <arrrghhh> er sorry
[18:39] <eagles0513875> man im having some annoying issues with karmic on my vms
[18:39] <arrrghhh> do-release-upgrade
[18:39] <shadowhywind> Amjad: I think you have the wrong person
[18:40] <eagles0513875> and tons of upgrades today
[18:40] <ibuclaw> ryguy, ok, next is to mount devpts (so that update-grub knows which putty terminal it is in)
[18:40] <marco__> arrrghhh, and after the official release of 9.10, how to I upgrade to it?
[18:40] <arrrghhh> marco__, same method.
[18:40] <ibuclaw> ryguy, mount devpts -t devpts /dev/pts
[18:40] <ryguy> marco__: You should install it from cd so you have ext4
[18:40] <marco__> thanks
[18:40] <ryguy> ibuclaw: done and done
[18:41] <arrrghhh> marco__, he has a point, if you want the benes of the new file system, you should backup and reformat.
[18:41] <Amjad> You do not have experience in vpn?
[18:41] <arrrghhh> ryguy, but some of us can't backup _everything_... so i'm still goin with ext3 until i get another hdd!
[18:41] <ibuclaw> ryanakca, ok, you are all good to go.
[18:41] <dotblank3> I did a live migration of ext3 to 4.. it was a bit painfull but it worked
[18:41] <ibuclaw> *ryguy,
[18:41] <marco__> thanks arrrghhh
[18:42] <arrrghhh> dotblank3, w/o data loss?
[18:42] <ryguy> arrrghhh: makes sense
[18:42] <ibuclaw> ryguy, ok, run:  update-grub
[18:42] <Lenin_Cat> will 10.04 support ksplice
[18:42] <dotblank3> arrrghhh: yea
[18:42] <arrrghhh> dotblank3, hrm... how?
[18:42] <shadeslayer> Lenin_Cat: ksplice?
[18:42] <dotblank3> cant remember but it was tricky...
[18:42] <arrrghhh> lol
[18:42] <ryguy> ibuclaw: looks like everything went well, should I restart now to test it?
[18:42] <Lenin_Cat> shadeslayer, allows installing updates for the kernel without rebooting
[18:42] <shadeslayer> dotblank3: its just 2 commands
[18:43] <shadeslayer> !ext4
[18:43] <arrrghhh> i have a _lot_ of data.  i think i'd rather get another hdd first.
[18:43] <shadeslayer> ugh..
[18:43] <arrrghhh> ubottu, fail
[18:43] <dotblank3> and grub failed to load the newly written kernels untill i upgraded grub to 2
[18:43] <ryguy> ubottu doesnt know anything about etx4?!
[18:43] <arrrghhh> fail!
[18:43] <ibuclaw> ryguy, check /boot/grub/grub.cfg (I think it is now located)
[18:43] <TDJACR> .
[18:43] <TDJACR> Whoops.
[18:43] <shadeslayer> http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto
[18:44] <ibuclaw> ryguy, if you are happy that it seems right, should be fine to reboot
[18:44] <shadeslayer> ^^ convert ext3 to ext4
[18:44] <arrrghhh> shadeslayer, how safe is it?
[18:44] <ryguy> ibuclaw: alright now grub.cfg.new exists but grub.cfg doesnt
[18:44] <Amjad> shadeslayer
[18:45] <Amjad> No /sbin/udevd found running; none killed.
[18:45] <Amjad>                                                                          [fail]
[18:45] <Amjad> invoke-rc.d: initscript udev, action "reload" failed.
[18:45] <shadeslayer> arrrghhh: its on the kernel wiki,should be safe
[18:45] <arrrghhh> shadeslayer, reading now...
[18:45] <Amjad> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[18:45] <ryguy> ibuclaw: I cant open it either, says gedit doesnt understand the filetype
[18:45] <Lenin_Cat> !pastebin | Amaranth
[18:45] <Lenin_Cat> Amjad*
[18:45] <Amaranth> Lenin_Cat: :P
[18:45] <shadeslayer> !aptlock > Amjad
[18:46] <arrrghhh> shadeslayer, keep in mind, this looks like you're just mounting ext3 as ext4...
[18:46] <Lenin_Cat> !pastebinit lolol
[18:46] <shadeslayer> arrrghhh: this isnt *as* effective as a formatted ext4,but its close
[18:46] <Lenin_Cat> !pastebinit
[18:47] <arrrghhh> shadeslayer, yea, i read about that.  definitely nice, but you don't get _all_ the benes of ext4.  i guess you do get some important ones, so it's probably worth it.
[18:47] <Amjad> No /sbin/udevd found running; none killed.
[18:47] <shadeslayer> arrrghhh: yep
[18:47] <Amjad>                                                                          [fail]
[18:47] <Amjad> invoke-rc.d: initscript udev, action "reload" failed.
[18:47] <Amjad> dpkg: error processing fuse-utils (--configure):
[18:47] <Amjad> :S
[18:47] <filgy> pulseaudio is looping forever sucking 50-100% cpu since a few days ago.. anyone experience this?
[18:48] <filgy> i can kill it but until then it will run forever with no sound playing or anything
[18:48] <ibuclaw> ryguy, what is the output?
[18:48] <keith_> Did they change something that would affect how it detects and handles my mouse clicks? I'm rather annoyed right now...
[18:48] <penguin42> filgy: pacmd exit   might cause it to exit slightly less forcibly than a kill
[18:48] <ryguy> process 3993: D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up; failed to read machine uuid: Failed to open "/var/lib/dbus/machine-id": No such file or directory
[18:48] <ryguy> See the manual page for dbus-uuidgen to correct this issue.
[18:49] <shadeslayer> Amjad: what are you trying to do?
[18:49] <dotblank3> wow I encountered my first bug... in vbox with 3d accel the x server crashes when you shut it down... thats not really that bad
[18:49] <keith_> Now I have button 1, button 2, button 2, button 3, and button 8. What's that about?
[18:49] <Amjad> install sudo apt-get install network-manager-pptp
[18:50] <arrrghhh> so how do i use paprefs?  or is there a replacement for it?  apt-get or aptitude won't let me install it.  says there's no candidate version!!!
[18:50] <shadeslayer> Amjad: yeah,so whats the proble,?
[18:50] <shadeslayer> *problem
[18:51] <ibuclaw> ryguy, dbus-uuidgen --ensure
[18:51] <Myers> Hey everyone, need help to find out how to save my Terminator terminal settings.
[18:51] <ioka> guys would you please tell me how to make privoxy start at boot up
[18:51] <shadeslayer> bbl
[18:51] <Amjad> No apport report written because the error message indicates its a followup error from a previous failure.
[18:51] <Amjad>     Errors were encountered while processing:
[18:51] <Amjad>  fuse-utils
[18:51] <Amjad>  gvfs-fuse
[18:51] <Amjad> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[18:52] <ioka> it needs root privileges
[18:52] <Amjad> This problem
[18:52] <arrrghhh> !pastebin | Amjad
[18:52] <Myers> Anyone here use terminator?
[18:52] <ryguy> ibuclaw: error. I ran update-grub again and now grub.cfg exists now
[18:53] <ryguy> ibuclaw: I still cant read it though
[18:53] <ioka> be root and you can read it
[18:53] <ryguy> i am =p
[18:53] <ryguy> Could not display "/media/addef8e0-a53f-44b0-bd...955186a278/boot/grub/grub.cfg" - The file is of an unknown type
[18:54] <ibuclaw> hmm
[18:54] <ioka> in the terminal sudo nano /media/addef8e0-a53f-44b0-bd...955186a278/boot/grub/grub.cfg
[18:55] <ryguy> ioka: its empty
[18:55] <Amjad> http://paste.ubuntu.com/295610/
[18:55] <ioka> this is bad
[18:55] <ibuclaw> file /boot/grub/grub.bfg
[18:55] <ibuclaw> ioka, he is in a LiveCD, chrooted into the broken system
[18:55] <ryguy> /boot/grub/grub.cfg: ASCII English text
[18:56] <ioka> yes i thought so see /media mount point.Do yuo know why ubuntu use so free-kin names to mount devices?
[18:57] <ryguy> ioka, I manually mounted it there
[18:57] <penguin42> ioka: You mean the big long hairy numbers?
[18:57] <Amjad> shadeslayer <Amjad> http://paste.ubuntu.com/295610/
[18:57] <arrrghhh> damn comcast
[18:57] <ioka> in my case I get the same nasty directory names even though the system mount the devices automatically
[18:57] <ioka> yes
[18:57] <ibuclaw> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275&highlight=grub2
[18:58] <penguin42> ioka: They have the advantage that they have a strong chance of being unique
[18:58] <ryguy> arrrghhh: Comcast/Mediacom sucks
[18:58] <ryguy> arrrghhh: I got mediacom
[18:58] <ioka> yes and hard to find out what is mounted there
[18:58] <arrrghhh> ryguy, nice.  they're significantly faster than anyone else in the 'hood here.  but i have to reset the stupid modem 3x a day now.
[18:58] <penguin42> ioka: If you set a label on the or mount point they'll get mounted with whatever name you want
[18:59] <arrrghhh> but back to my question... paprefs.  i could always just install it previously, now it says there's no candidate version... how do i manage my network settings for pulse?
[18:59] <ryguy> arrrghhh: Yeah I had that problem until we bitched at mediacom enough to get them to come replace the router
[18:59] <ioka> how do i set a label?
[18:59] <ioka> like a partition volume label?
[18:59] <ryguy> sudo mount /dev/DRIVE LABEL
[19:00] <arrrghhh> ryguy, yep, that's definitely the next step here.  this thing is 3 yrs old, and i've paid $3/mo for it for wayyyy more than it's value.
[19:00] <penguin42> ryguy: Surely not?
[19:00] <ryguy> arrrghhh: three dollars a month??
[19:00] <ioka> can you please tell me what to do to make privoxy start at boot up?
[19:00] <penguin42> ioka: You can do it in gparted or using tune2fs if it's ext
[19:01] <ibuclaw> ryguy, check /etc/grub.d/ directories
[19:01] <ibuclaw> ryguy, is there anything in there?
[19:01] <ibuclaw> are they executable?
[19:02] <ryguy> ibuclaw: yes and yes
[19:02] <ryguy> from that site: ' The files in this folder are read during execution of "update-grub" or "update-grub2" '
[19:02] <ryguy> should I do 'update-grub2'?
[19:02] <ibuclaw> ryguy, the contents of update-grub2 is:
[19:03] <ibuclaw> exec /sbin/update-grub "$@"
[19:03] <jimpop> what is the diff btwn update-grub and update-grub2 ?
[19:03] <ibuclaw> they both do the same
[19:03] <ryguy> lol oh
[19:03] <jimpop> thx
[19:03] <tgpraveen1> ubottu: #597124
[19:03]  * penguin42 could swear there was an easier way to set the mount points and labels in the GUI
[19:03] <ibuclaw> jimpop, =)
[19:03] <tgpraveen1> bug #597124
[19:03] <tgpraveen1> gnome bug #597124
[19:04] <ryguy> penguin42: code it in (I know, generic response, but still)
[19:04] <ibuclaw> ryguy, hmm... try:  grub-install /dev/sda; update-grub2
[19:04] <dotblank3> guys how do I start upstart
[19:04] <dotblank3> ould not connect to Upstart: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused
[19:05] <ibuclaw> dotblank, which CD are you using?
[19:05] <dotblank3> amd64 ubuntu-desktop
[19:06] <dotblank3> im in a chroot from the squashfs and was upgrading all the packages
[19:06] <ibuclaw> :S
[19:06] <joaopinto> dotblank, I believe it needs to be started from the kernel itself, since it's an init replacement
[19:06] <ryguy> ibuclaw: I'm gonna try to reboot
[19:06] <ibuclaw> ryguy, okies
[19:06] <dotblank3> hmmm so how do I force the upgrade then..
[19:06] <ryguy> ibuclaw: I'm gettin the same problem
[19:07] <ioka> is help.ubuntu.com down ? I can not open it
[19:07] <dotblank3> ioka: yea it is
[19:07] <ibuclaw> ryguy, you *do* get something like "Found Linux Image" ?
[19:07] <ibuclaw> :/
[19:08] <dotblank3> well I was almost able to upgrade upstart
[19:08] <ioka> by the way the adobe-flashplugin that it is in the synaptics does not work very well.i can not move the slide bar of flash movies
[19:08] <ibuclaw> dotblank, when you say chroot ... you mean, a chroot of the installed system?
[19:08] <ibuclaw> ie: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[19:08] <ioka> if I use the one from adobe page will it be problems?
[19:09] <ibuclaw> chroot /mnt
[19:09] <ibuclaw> # insert upgrade command of choice
[19:09] <mzz> dotblank3: I'd expect the upgrade to succeed even if it can't find a running instance
[19:09] <mzz> dotblank3: what's the actual problem/failure?
[19:10] <dotblank3> I mean I extracted the filesystem.squashfs and chrooted into it
[19:10] <dotblank3> and run updated it
[19:11] <dotblank3> *update
[19:11] <ibuclaw> ryguy, still fails?
[19:11] <ibuclaw> :S
[19:11] <dotblank3> then im going to mksquashfs again and make a more updated livecd
[19:11] <ryguy> ibuclaw: It boots! So I'm happy. grub doesnt show up but I'm not too worried about that
[19:11] <ryguy> Thanks man, you're a genius
[19:12] <ibuclaw> no probs, I guess.
[19:12] <ryguy> you should be like..writing books and making money off of them. piles of money. genius money >_>
[19:12] <ryguy> lol
[19:12] <joaopinto> dotblank, you are wayre of the daily live cds right ?
[19:12] <joaopinto> aware
[19:12] <ryguy> anyways, time for sleep. Its 2 pm and i didnt sleep O_O
[19:12] <ryguy> night guys
[19:12] <ibuclaw> night
[19:13] <ibuclaw> dotblank3, also, if you are going to chroot into a directory, you need to mount --bind the /dev directory
[19:13] <Myers> Hey everyone, need help to find out how to save my Terminator terminal settings.
[19:13] <ibuclaw> some system applications depend on being able to *touch* the system hardware / being able to write to /dev/pts
[19:14] <duffydack> ioka, ATI card by chance?
[19:14] <ibuclaw> Myers, it's not saving when editing during run?
[19:16] <arrrghhh> so no one uses paprefs?  blargh.
[19:16] <Myers> Correct ibuclaw
[19:16] <Myers> I applied the settings and it's just sitting without a config file in the terminator directory
[19:16] <shadeslayer> anyone landing in a terminal after booting into the 14 kernel? i have to manually start kdm
[19:16] <ibuclaw> Myers, may be a perms issue?
[19:17] <om26er> i cannot see any in the appearance menu
[19:17] <Myers> ibuclaw: Not sure, it's in the user home directory so this permission should be enabled.
[19:17] <Myers> shadeslayer: No.
[19:17] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:17] <shadeslayer> btw where do i edit the grub entries?
[19:18] <om26er> there is no theme in appearance although human themes are installed
[19:18] <Myers> shadeslayer: It would be: sudo gedit /etc/boot/grubfileyouwantoedit
[19:19] <Myers> actually /etc/boot/grub/
[19:19] <Myers> then the file you want to edit for the grub boot
[19:19] <Myers> backwards: /boot/grub/
[19:19] <Myers> :-p
[19:19] <shadeslayer> Myers: which file? there are many
[19:20] <Myers> menu.list
[19:20] <shadeslayer> Myers: in grub 2?
[19:20] <Myers> If you have grub 2 then you will need to ask further here as I don't run this yet.
[19:20] <mac_v> !grub2 | shadeslayer
[19:20] <drs305> Myers: Are you talking about the splash image?
[19:20] <Myers> That MAYBE why you are having the issue is because you didn't finish the file configuration
[19:21] <Myers> drs305: No
[19:21] <drs305> k
[19:21] <Myers> Error 14 is due to an incomplete configuration to the grub 2
[19:21] <tgpraveen1> gnome bug #597124
[19:22] <Myers> Who's running Tilda and can get two terminals open with it?
[19:26] <perscitus> Is Kpackagekit known issue bug fixed yet?
[19:30] <Machtin> hm.. what can i rip a bluray untouched image with? or where can i go to ask?
[19:30] <rsk> !bluray
[19:31] <malnilion> Machtin dd ?
[19:31] <rsk> !hddvd
[19:31] <rsk> bah.
[19:31] <rsk> Machtin: use x264 with the -hq preset for best quality
[19:31] <malnilion> rsk, that's hardly an untouched image.
[19:32] <rsk> malnilion: he is lying?
[19:32] <malnilion> rsk, as I understood the question he wants to rip a BD image without decrypting it or anything.
[19:33] <Machtin> well i have a blu-ray image.. it's untouched.. and now i want to strip the menu, and some audio tracks basically
[19:33] <rsk> does it have DRM?
[19:33] <Machtin> uhm, how to check?
[19:34] <malnilion> Machtin, is it an iso?
[19:34] <rsk> can you play any files with any type of softwareplayer
[19:34] <Machtin> i intended to make a mkv out of it
[19:34] <Machtin> malnilion: yep, it is
[19:34] <Machtin> rsk: at least not via vlc
[19:34] <rsk> what does mplayer say
[19:34]  * BluesKaj wonders why anyone would "make" a mkv file
[19:35] <malnilion> Blueskaj, it can be a useful container especially for subtitled video.
[19:35] <shadeslayer> i <3 this kernel
[19:35] <malnilion> BluesKaj, it's kind of a kitchen sink (as in you can throw everything and your kitchen sink into it).
[19:36] <CrocoJet> after official release of 9.10, do I need re-install whole ubuntu ? using beta version now
[19:37] <void^_> no
[19:37] <Machtin> http://pastebin.com/da52a10c mplayer output
[19:37] <rsk> CrocoJet: only if you want
[19:37] <malnilion> CrocoJet, you should update just fine.
[19:37] <shadeslayer> CrocoJet: nope,just upgrade to the latest packages
[19:37] <Machtin> where <file>'s the filename
[19:37] <shadeslayer> CrocoJet: what DE btw?
[19:37] <CrocoJet> but this upgrade will download all oficial packages ?
[19:37] <mcnellis> I recently installed 9.10 and when I installed gvim-gnome when I'm typing a function name or a variable name I hit ctrl+n the window blinks instead of showing me my options to auto-finish what I'm typing
[19:37] <rsk> Machtin: how did you install MPlayer?
[19:37] <shadeslayer> CrocoJet: no,just the ones that need upgrading
[19:37] <CrocoJet> oh ok
[19:38] <mcnellis>  I think it might be trying for New Window? I'm not sure though b/c no new window is created...
[19:38] <rsk> CrocoJet: sure, why wouldn't it :p
[19:38] <malnilion> Crocojet, if you're running 9.10 beta, you should be able to upgrade to 9.10 final just fine.
[19:38] <Machtin> rsk: aptitude install mplayer
[19:38] <CrocoJet> ok
[19:38] <shadeslayer> CrocoJet: most probably your complete DE will need to be upgraded,a new kernel,that should cover it
[19:38] <rsk> Machtin: the mplayer in the repos give's MPlayer SVN-r29237-4.4.1 (C) 2000-2009 MPlayer Team
[19:38] <rsk> Machtin: so you got a rouge package i belive
[19:39] <Machtin> i installed it some seconds ago :o
[19:39] <rsk> um...
[19:40] <Machtin> i'll purge and reinstall
[19:40] <bazhang> dno, what ab out usb stick
[19:40] <mcnellis> bah nvm I had a window keyboard shortcut taking precedence!
[19:40] <malnilion> Machtin, if you have an iso image, there's a chance it's still DRM'd
[19:41] <Machtin> hm, how would i check?
[19:41] <LordMetroid> Can someone install couchdb and run sudo couchdb?
[19:41] <LordMetroid> I can not
[19:41] <malnilion> Machtin, if you mount the image and it won't play in mplayer or VLC by default, there's a fair chance it's DRM'd
[19:42] <dno> bazhang:  I installed 9.10 on an HP1000 mini and it went great!  However, the wifi is not enabled
[19:42] <dtchen> dno: you need to use the wl driver, probably
[19:43] <dno> bazhang:  The same happened to me on my Dell mini 9.  However, all I had to do was updgrade via upgrade manager.  Simple.
[19:43] <Machtin> hm, k.. it won't
[19:43] <Machtin> VLC can't recognize the input's format: <- that is reapeating
[19:43] <penguin42> hmph, machine crashed installing latest set of updates
[19:44] <Machtin> -a
[19:44] <dno> bazhang:  The stupid HP people left the cat5 jack off the HP 1000 mini!
[19:44] <dtchen> dno: usb dongle for wired iface ;)
[19:44] <dno> So I have to upgrade via usb only.
[19:44] <bazhang> dno, have you considered dtchen advice :)
[19:45] <dno> bazhang:  No, it is for my brother.  I talked him into the install and he loves it, but can't access the internet.
[19:46] <dno> bazhang:  So I look like the bad guy because it is not accessing the internet.
[19:46] <dotblank3> well the cd i made was 40 mb too big to fit on a normal cd.. yay
[19:46] <dotblank3> looks like dvd for me
[19:47] <dno> dtchen: Can you assist with my problem?
[19:49] <dtchen> dno: I take it you don't have a usb dongle for a wired nic?
[19:49] <dno> no I do not.
[19:51] <dtchen> dno: then you need to sneakernet some debs using a usb thumb drive
[19:51] <dno> But yes that would solve it.  I was thinking all I want to do is get wifi working and then the upgrade will take care of the rest.
[19:52] <dno> Is there an easy way to just install 2.6.31-14.48 source package?
[19:52] <dtchen> dno: namely, you need dkms, make, build-essential, gcc, g++, gcc-4.4, g++-4.4, cpp-4.4, libstdc++6-4.4-dev, linux-headers-$(uname -r), patch, bcmwl-modaliases, and bcmwl-kernel-source
[19:53] <dno> or the wifi?
[19:54] <dtchen> huh?
[19:55] <dtchen> those are the packages that you need to put on the usb thumb drive and install on the mini
[19:55] <dtchen> after the wl driver builds, you'll have WiFi
[20:01] <dtchen> anyone with a macbook 5,1 ?
[20:02] <JPSman> i am having problems compiling the necessary kernal modules for the guest additions for ubuntu 9.10 beta for the virtualbox.  Could someone take a look at my vboxadd-install.log found at this http://pastebin.ca/1611896 ?
[20:03] <dno> Thank you!
[20:04] <shadeslayer> JPSman: can you post the exact errors?
[20:06] <JPSman> shadeslayer: A.) thank you B.) it seems to build the gust additions just fine, its when its trying to build the 'shared folder support kernel module that is fails.  Lemme go do another pastebin
[20:06] <JPSman> http://pastebin.ca/1625610
[20:07] <LordMetroid> update-manager tells me to use the "Broken" filter, how do I do that?
[20:08] <dotblank3> wow 9.10 is soo close to perfect....
[20:08] <dotblank3> brb booting into my custom cd
[20:08] <LordMetroid> No, couchdb is refusing to install
[20:08] <drop_tables> Has anyone tried to pre-order a karmic CD, but exceeded their limit for CDs?
[20:08] <shadeslayer> JPSman: try it via : http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/10/13/installing-guest-additions-for-ubuntu-guests-in-virtualbox/
[20:09] <LordMetroid> And by me trying to install it anyway somehow I have broken something
[20:09] <shadeslayer> JPSman: i cant think of anything else
[20:09] <JPSman> shadeslayer: thank you
[20:09] <shadeslayer> drop_tables: theres a limit on CD's ?
[20:10] <shadeslayer> JPSman: hope you find a solution :)
[20:10] <drop_tables> shadeslayer, Apparently there is now
[20:10]  * shadeslayer checks
[20:10] <shadeslayer> drop_tables: just make another account?
[20:11] <drop_tables> My shipit history isn't really excessive. About 4 shipments in the last 6 years
[20:12] <shadeslayer> drop_tables: http://pastebin.ca/1625615
[20:12] <shadeslayer> :P
[20:13] <shadeslayer> i was too excited when i ordered the first one
[20:13] <dotblank> I was more excited when I got my first one in the mail because by that time id forgotten about it
[20:13] <shadeslayer> hehe..
[20:14] <JPSman> well, if I wanted to start a new forum thread, where would be the best place for it?
[20:14] <shadeslayer> my CD's usually remain with me for 2 days,then i give them to a few friends and never get them back :(
[20:14] <shadeslayer> JPSman: ubuntuforums
[20:15] <shadeslayer> !forum | JPSman
[20:15] <JPSman> yes, but in which subset of the forums?
[20:15] <shadeslayer> JPSman: dont really use the forums alot... ask in the channel
[20:16] <JPSman> k
[20:16] <dotblank> omg ubuntu 9.10 is sexy..... its tooo good im shaking from sheer awesome
[20:16] <dno> dtchen:  could you please provide a little more direction?  Where can I get the files you speak of?  Then do I put them on the usb and reinstall? Or just put these on the usb drive then computer and make on the HP 1000?
[20:16] <shadeslayer> dotblank: hehe
[20:16] <shadeslayer> dotblank: tried kubuntu 9.10?
[20:16] <techouse|lappy> any idea why i have no text showing up in an application run with mono on ubuntu 9.10 but i have text showing up on Debian Squeeze?
[20:16] <dotblank> shadeslayer, nope
[20:16] <malnilion> dotblank, the only thing that sucks is the GDM.
[20:16] <netbrain> does xen work in karmic?
[20:17] <dotblank> malnilion, have you updated recently?
[20:17] <shadeslayer> dotblank: itll blow your brains
[20:17] <malnilion> dotblank, I no longer am using Ubuntu, but I saw the "new" theme.
[20:17] <drop_tables> What happened to the shipit choice. It doesn't say if I have pre-orderd x64 edition or what.
[20:17] <shadeslayer> what new theme?
[20:17] <malnilion> shadeslayer, rather.
[20:17] <drop_tables> It just says 1 Ubuntu CD for PC
[20:18] <drop_tables> That isn't super helpful
[20:18] <shadeslayer> drop_tables: yep,a 32 bit CD
[20:18] <hetauma> any1 knows how can I set 9.10 so that I don't need to authenticate every time I need to mount a ntfs partition?
[20:18] <malnilion> shadeslayer, the one that came out 3 weeks ago or so.
[20:18] <shadeslayer> hetauma: yeah hold on
[20:18] <drop_tables> Ah lame, i'm cancelling that
[20:18] <shadeslayer> hetauma: add : /dev/sda1 /media/Windows ntfs defaults 0 0
[20:19] <hetauma> shadeslayer, and which program does that now ? is it made through hal?
[20:19] <hetauma> shadeslayer, the clasic method through fstab right ?
[20:19] <shadeslayer> hetauma: of course the partition no. and mountpoint will be different,add the above line to fstab
[20:19] <dotblank> omg... omg... it detected my hdmi port for audio... holy holy.. Ive spent months in 9.04 getting that to work
[20:19] <shadeslayer> dotblank: :)
[20:19] <shadeslayer> hetauma: yep
[20:19] <dotblank> wireless works... everything looks awesome
[20:20] <malnilion> dotblank, it's amazing what updates will do :)
[20:20] <shadeslayer> dotblank: install kde,im telling ya
[20:20] <shadeslayer> oh wow,they updated the smileys in kopete..... i love you KDE
[20:21] <dotblank> well my secret is that this is my custom updated live cd and works FLAWLESSLY
[20:21] <dotblank> ZOMG
[20:21] <shadeslayer> dotblank: remastered?
[20:21] <dotblank> yes
[20:21] <shadeslayer> nice
[20:22] <dno> Can I just add  2.6.31-14.48 source package to the netbookremix to get the wifi to work?
[20:22] <dotblank> I think I love you guys.. every one of you.. this is just... I cant find words to describe how awesome this really is
[20:23] <Myers> It's an Ugasm
[20:23] <Myers> :-p
[20:23] <malnilion> dotblank, loving Linux is enough :P
[20:23] <shadeslayer> dotblank: thank the devs at #kubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-devel
[20:23] <shadeslayer> :P
[20:24] <len> I can never get kword 2 (qt4 version) to run, because I always get "Can not find needed text component, KWord will quit now."  I keep thinking the problem will be solved the next time koffice2 is updated, but it never fixes it.  I am obviously missing a dependency that isn't auto selected for some reason.  Anybody know what package this "text component" is in?
[20:24] <Myers> Anyone up for helping me out on this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1293771
[20:25] <Myers> len: You'll need to see #kubuntu for this kind of support for KDE
[20:26] <len> Myers, there is no kubuntu+1 though.  I thought this was the place for all buntu's +1
[20:27] <shadeslayer> Myers: whats your DE?
[20:27] <Myers> Gnome
[20:28] <shadeslayer> Myers: ok i dont know the exact path,but check i your home folder,all the app configs are stored there
[20:28] <shadeslayer> in kde its,~/.kde/share/apps/config
[20:28] <Myers> k one sec shadeslayer
[20:28] <shadeslayer> um... ~/.kde/share/config
[20:30] <shadeslayer> Myers: there your app config is likely to be stored as : terminatorrc
[20:30] <Myers> That does ring a bell
[20:31] <shadeslayer> dont know if itll have a different name or something
[20:31] <Myers> Did a folder/file search but nothing found in the terms.
[20:31] <Myers> did a search in ~/.config/terminator but not listed either
[20:31] <dooglus> hi people.  I wonder if you can help me
[20:32] <shadeslayer> Myers: hmm.... well youre on your own then,itll be a hidden file though,just keep checking your home folder
[20:32] <dooglus> last night I ran an update_manager -d to update a 9.04 machine to 9.10
[20:32] <shadeslayer> dooglus: please state the problem
[20:32] <dooglus> it was part way through doing the install (had downloaded everything, and was installing it) when the power went out
[20:32] <dooglus> it wouldn't boot after that, so I booted from the 9.04 live cd
[20:32] <dooglus> chrooted into the PC's /
[20:32] <shadeslayer> nice....
[20:33] <shadeslayer> dooglus: and ?
[20:33] <dooglus> ran a dpkg --configure, like it said to
[20:33] <dooglus> and am now wondering what else I need to do, to finish the install
[20:33] <shadeslayer> dooglus: nothing
[20:33] <dooglus> it now does a 'apt-get dist-upgrade' without error
[20:33] <shadeslayer> dooglus: just try and boot the partition
[20:33] <dooglus> usually after the install, I think it removes a bunch of old packages doesn't it?
[20:34] <shadeslayer> dooglus: yeah,sudo apt-get autoremove
[20:34] <dooglus> shadeslayer: the PC is thousands of miles away - getting it rebooted is a hassle, so I'd prefer to only do it once if possible
[20:34] <dooglus> autoremove, thanks
[20:34] <shadeslayer> dooglus: oh..
[20:34] <dooglus> 31 to remove - that sounds like it
[20:34] <dooglus> anything else?
[20:35] <dooglus> I mean, I can reboot it remotely, but getting CDs in and out is less easy
[20:35] <shadeslayer> dooglus: apt-get autoclean will clear the cache
[20:35] <shadeslayer> dont think theres any other thing that needs to be done
[20:35] <dooglus> what about 3rd party repos?  I think the update-manager told me it was disabling them
[20:36] <Myers> shadeslayer: found it in /usr/share/terminator/terminatorlib as config.py
[20:36] <Myers> Thanks again.
[20:36] <shadeslayer> dooglus: oh yeah,they are disabled during the upgrade
[20:36] <shadeslayer> Myers: no problem
[20:36] <shadeslayer> dooglus: just sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:36] <dooglus> I guess that's not a problem - I can re-enable them after the reboot
[20:37] <shadeslayer> dooglus: your original sources are in /etc/apt/
[20:37] <shadeslayer> (the ones you used in jaunty)
[20:37] <dooglus> I am very impressed at how easy this was
[20:37] <shadeslayer> dooglus: it ususally is
[20:37] <dooglus> imagine if a Windows update was interrupted part way through!
[20:37] <shadeslayer> dooglus: ive had that once
[20:37] <shadeslayer> dooglus: it was horrible
[20:38] <shadeslayer> windows freaked out....
[20:38] <dooglus> I guess you just reinstall from scratch
[20:38] <shadeslayer> dooglus: not exactly
[20:38] <dooglus> on this 9.10 laptop, I locked the screen earlier
[20:38] <dooglus> I have the screensaver set to 'blank screen' only
[20:39] <dooglus> when I came back, my desktop was showing!
[20:39] <shadeslayer> dooglus: i had to boot a recovery CD and do a startup analysis and it fixed the problem
[20:39] <shadeslayer> dooglus: :o
[20:39] <shadeslayer> dooglus: someone knows your password ;P
[20:39] <dooglus> I moved the mouse and got the password prompt, and couldn't get it to show the desktop again - but it was definitely showing while locked
[20:39] <dooglus> shadeslayer: nobody touched it
[20:39] <shadeslayer> :o
[20:39] <dooglus> shadeslayer: the machine was still locked - as soon as I moved the mouse the desktop was hidden
[20:39] <shadeslayer> spooky
[20:40] <dooglus> and it behaved like it should - the screensaver password prompt, etc.
[20:40] <dooglus> I've seen it before, too
[20:40] <shadeslayer> or merely a small bug :)
[20:40] <dooglus> I've disabled compiz now to see if that fixes it
[20:46] <dooglus> after running the upgrade in the chroot'ed partition, I can't umount it before shutting down
[20:46] <dooglus> seems the apt-get ran a bunch of services in the chroot
[20:47] <dotblank> anyone want to test voice chat with empathy over gtalk?
[20:47] <shadeslayer> dooglus: meaning? cant you : sudo reboot -h NOW
[20:47] <cpjr72> dotblank, sorry my CC is maxed
[20:47] <shadeslayer> dooglus: i have kopete
[20:47] <dotblank> CC ?
[20:47] <dooglus> shadeslayer: I wanted to umount the device to make sure everything is written to it properly
[20:48] <dooglus> isn't that safer than just rebooting?
[20:48] <cpjr72> dotblank, credit card lol, jk bud
[20:48] <shadeslayer> dooglus: oh..
[20:48] <shadeslayer> cpjr72: haha
[20:48] <shadeslayer> dooglus: hmm... lemme think
[20:49] <dooglus> shadeslayer: maybe a 'sudo sync' will do it
[20:49] <dooglus> or, maybe rebooting actually does the umount for me, idk
[20:49] <shadeslayer> dooglus: probably
[20:49] <shadeslayer> dooglus: i think rebooting does it,not sure though
[20:50] <shadeslayer> dooglus: at the end the OS is supposed to flush all streams and unmount the disk
[20:50] <shadeslayer> +after the reboot command is given
[20:51] <dooglus> is there any way I can eject the live CD I booted from, and reboot?
[20:51] <dooglus> from the command line...
[20:51] <shadeslayer> yeah
[20:51] <shadeslayer> dooglus: man eject
[20:51] <dooglus> does that work when you're running from the CD, in live CD mode?
[20:51] <shadeslayer> dooglus: idk
[20:52] <shadeslayer> dooglus: probably not...
[20:52] <dooglus> seems like the disk got spat out
[20:52] <dooglus> because now most commands are failing...
[20:52] <shadeslayer> heh...
[20:53] <dooglus> any way of rebooting when the reboot exectuable is no longer in the CD drive?
[20:53] <AdamSchackart> can't you just use sudo shutdown -r now?
[20:53] <shadeslayer> dooglus: a hard reboot?
[20:53]  * AdamSchackart cringes
[20:54] <dooglus> "sudo: unable to execute /sbin/shutdown: Input/output error"
[20:54] <dooglus>  /sbin was on the CD I just ejected...
[20:54] <shadeslayer> gah...
[20:54] <shadeslayer> dooglus: you ejected the CD?
[20:54] <dooglus> guess I should have copied it somewhere first
[20:54] <dooglus> I guess I can scp my copy from here...
[20:55] <rob0> the whole rootfs is gone, I bet.
[20:55] <dooglus> yeah
[20:55] <shadeslayer> probably
[20:55] <dooglus> let's hope it statically linked
[20:55] <rob0> funny that sudo is still answering
[20:55] <dooglus> yeah
[20:55] <dooglus> some stuff is obviously in the disk cache
[20:55] <rob0> guess that's it
[20:55] <dooglus> I ran 'reboot' before ejecting
[20:55] <dooglus> to try to get it into the cache
[20:56] <dooglus> didn't work though
[20:56] <harley> hey everyone i have an issue
[20:56] <shadeslayer> harley: go ahead
[20:56] <harley> my sound came from speakers and headphons at the same time
[20:56] <dooglus> maybe I can use the reboot in the karmic partition
[20:57] <shadeslayer> dooglus: nooo...
[20:57] <harley> anyone has the same problem ?
[20:57] <dooglus> shadeslayer: no?
[20:57] <shadeslayer> dooglus: karmic uses upstart,jaunty uses sysvinit
[20:57] <shadeslayer> thus the startup and shutdown mechanism is different
[20:58] <shadeslayer> s/bit/a bit
[20:58] <harley> please i need some help
[20:58] <shadeslayer> !patience | harley
[20:59] <harley> all right sorry for that
[20:59] <dooglus> shadeslayer: congrats :)
[20:59] <shadeslayer> dooglus: ?
[20:59] <dooglus> sorry - I was scrolled up
[20:59] <harley> but i cant fix it myself !
[20:59] <dooglus> you told me you had kopete
[20:59] <shadeslayer> dooglus: yeah so?
[21:00] <dooglus> shadeslayer: so - uh - I don't know why you'd tell me that
[21:00] <shadeslayer> dooglus: um i meant dotblank
[21:00] <shadeslayer> :P
[21:01] <ubuntu> hi
[21:01] <shadeslayer> ubuntu: hey
[21:01] <ubuntu> i made tje upgrades today, and when i rebooted i got the grub command prompt, how can i repair it?
[21:01] <shadeslayer> ubuntu: the new kernel>
[21:01] <dooglus> which package contains the reboot program?
[21:02] <shadeslayer> dooglus: the kernel
[21:02] <dooglus> ugh
[21:02] <dooglus> ok
[21:02] <ubuntu> shadeslayer: what do you mean?
[21:02] <dotblank> what?
[21:02] <shadeslayer> ubuntu: did you upgrade the kernel?
[21:02] <shadeslayer> dotblank: nothing
[21:02] <ubuntu> shadeslayer: yea i think it upgraded the kernel too
[21:02] <dooglus> shadeslayer: it looks like a file: /sbin/reboot
[21:02] <rob0> dooglus, I don't know, but apt-* tools will be able to find out.
[21:03] <shadeslayer> ubuntu: yeah,i have the same problem,i just rebooted into the new kernel,kdm wouldnt start automatically,had to use sudo kdm
[21:03] <ubuntu> no, i get the grub prompt
[21:03] <ubuntu> it fails booting grub
[21:03] <shadeslayer> wow...
[21:05] <davisc> ubuntu: What's your disk structure? i.e. what disk is Ubuntu on? Do you use LVM? Is /boot on the same partition as /?
[21:05] <ubuntu> davisc: no LVM, /boot is the first partition and / the third
[21:05] <davisc> ubuntu: Of the 1st disk?
[21:06] <ubuntu> but i did a root(hd0,0) and setup(hd0,0)
[21:06] <ubuntu> no the first
[21:06] <shadeslayer> ubuntu: do you have a live cd?
[21:06] <ubuntu> yea, i'm in it now and ran the commands i said
[21:06] <ubuntu> but didn't reboot yet to test
[21:06] <ubuntu> would that be ok?
[21:07] <shadeslayer> ubuntu: try : sudo grub-install /dev/sdx
[21:07] <shadeslayer> where x is a alphabet : a,b,c... whatever sudo fdisk -l lists as
[21:07] <davisc> It sounds like a wonky menu.lst
[21:07] <ubuntu> Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[21:07] <davisc> ubuntu: Pastebin the menu.lst
[21:07] <davisc> (/boot/grub/menu.lst)
[21:08] <davisc> Actually, is it still that in Karmic? I upgraded from Karmic so dunno if it changed
[21:08] <del_diablo> davisc: pastebinit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[21:08] <shadeslayer> davisc: its different
[21:08] <ubuntu> davisc: http://pastebin.be:80/21431
[21:09] <shadeslayer> shouldnt the kernel be /boot/vmlinuz
[21:09] <shadeslayer> *kernel line be
[21:10] <davisc> shadeslayer: Not when you have /boot on it's own partition
[21:10] <shadeslayer> oh..
[21:10] <ubuntu> yea its on /dev/sda1
[21:10] <shadeslayer> ubuntu: did you run : sudo grub-install /dev/sda?
[21:10]  * davisc has never seen a uuid command in a grub config
[21:11] <ubuntu> yea, says: Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[21:11] <shadeslayer> hmm...
[21:11] <del_diablo> anybody here knows their way around iwconfig? So i want to connect to a network with essid of XX and a wep key of 34i34141, what do i enter after having ran ifconfig up once? (post an example!)
[21:11] <shadeslayer> del_diablo: see man iwconfig
[21:11] <del_diablo> shadeslayer: No, been there. And i am not installing the OS yet.
[21:12] <davisc> ubuntu: Presumably your /boot wasn't mounted to /boot on the live CD?
[21:12] <shadeslayer> hmm
[21:12] <ubuntu> davisc: dunno, i didn't do anything
[21:13] <ubuntu> but isn't running root(hd0,0) and setup hd(0,0) enough?
[21:14] <davisc> ubuntu: Unlikely
[21:16] <davisc> God, the GRUB 2 docs are crap!
[21:17] <ubuntu> what can i do now?
[21:17] <tormod> davisc, there are any? :)
[21:18] <guntbert> tormod: of course - you need only read source :)
[21:18] <del_diablo> shadeslayer:  iwconfig ra00 essid XYZ mode Managed BUT how do i get past the wep?
[21:18] <davisc> ubuntu: Actually, hang on. If you didn't mount any partitions, that grub config you posted is the one generated by the Live CD?
[21:19] <ubuntu> hm, it's the one present on my boot partition of my hdd
[21:19] <davisc> ubuntu: OK
[21:20] <davisc> ubottu: I've never seen the uuid command in a grub config. Can't find it in the docs either. It might well be an alternative to root (hd0,0)
[21:20] <shadeslayer> del_diablo: why do you want the cli way?
[21:21] <davisc> Damn tab completion...
[21:21] <del_diablo> shadeslayer: Minimal install, and i don't want to go all the way over to connect via cable
[21:21] <davisc> ubuntu: I'd try a manual boot
[21:21] <shadeslayer> del_diablo: thought of wicd?
[21:22] <davisc> ubuntu: You'll have to issue the commands to grub one by one
[21:22] <shadeslayer> del_diablo: oh sorry
[21:22] <del_diablo> :P
[21:22] <del_diablo> Guess i'l ask over at archlinux then
[21:23] <davisc> ubuntu: root (hd0,0) - this will tell grub to read the kernel from the first boot device
[21:23] <shadeslayer> del_diablo: ill just google
[21:23] <del_diablo> shadeslayer: Then please do, i did not get anything remotly relevant when i did
[21:23] <ubuntu> ok will try
[21:23] <davisc> ubuntu: kernel /vmlinuz-[whatever the version number is] Tab completion should work. Otherwise, you've selected the wrong parition with root
[21:24] <ubuntu> ok thanks
[21:24] <shadeslayer> del_diablo: sudo iwconfig ath0 essid MYACCESSPOINT
[21:24] <shadeslayer> del_diablo: sudo iwconfig ath0 key 12345abcde
[21:24] <davisc> Sorry kernel /vmlinuz-version root=/dev/sda2 (Personally, I don't like UUIDs)
[21:24] <tormod> ubuntu, just typing uuid should list all devices and their uuid's as seen from grub2
[21:25] <shadeslayer> del_diablo: try with the correct parameters of your n/w
[21:25] <davisc> tormod: What version of grub is installed on a clean karmic install?
[21:25] <davisc> ubuntu: Then initrd /initrd-version (Again, tab completion should work)
[21:25] <tormod> davisc, grub2
[21:25] <davisc> then type b to boot
[21:26] <shadeslayer> del_diablo: ive also found a script for a wpa network
[21:26] <davisc> tormod: Funny, 0.97 is installed on my [upgraded] karmic system
[21:26] <tormod> davisc, clean install: grub2 , upgrades: grub1
[21:28] <wirechief> ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid  <<works best for giving the uuid's
[21:30] <tormod> wirechief, unless there's a mismatch between how grub reads them and blkid reads them...
[21:31] <wirechief> well that works for me when i have a uuid that is no longer available because i made changes, i can get the right one from it and fix the fstab entry
[21:33] <penguin42> wirechief: You can also use blid e.g. blkid /dev/sda1
[21:35] <wirechief> yes but for me i usually need the uuid of sda3 4 or some other partition that i made changes on and the fstab needs to be fixed.
[21:36] <wirechief> i have three or 4 distros on one hd and need to fix the fstab a lot, i make installs frequently.
[21:37] <penguin42> wirechief: You could use labels instead?
[21:37] <wirechief> sure but ive stuck with uuid
[21:38] <wirechief> what is frustrating is that vbox uses uuid too and even on the .iso name so if i replace it i have to fix the uuid to make it work
[21:39] <CLIdiot> hello all - just checking in to see if this new version of Ubunutu will fix the flash full-screen problems
[21:39] <CLIdiot> I'd love to be able to go back to using my media computer to stream video
[21:42] <del_diablo> Ubuntu minimal install is not cannot accessed from the alternativ install CD, AND it refuses to be able to connect to wlan(it gets stuck on attempting to select mirror).
[21:43] <del_diablo> I know that the debian minimal intaller that is used does not support wlan, but where is the warning message?
[21:43] <saji> hi...
[21:43] <hacknslash> hi all
[21:43] <saji> I have upgraded to 9.10 beta version..
[21:43] <del_diablo> And? What is the issue? The common form is to not say hello and talk in this chat :P
[21:44] <del_diablo> *and JUST talk(issue)
[21:44] <saji> my problem is that i now have only a white screen on my desktop..
[21:44] <b1shop> 9.10 running VirtualBox will not boot the 9.10 livecd.  anyone else have this problem
[21:44] <b1shop> ?
[21:44] <saji> now using IRC via the terminal..
[21:45] <saji> del_diablo, my system now shows login screen, but on login, it shows only a white screen...
[21:45] <guntbert> b1shop: here definitely not - did you md5sum the image?
[21:45] <shadeslayer> del_diablo: could you connect to the wifi?
[21:46] <saji> Hello, can anyone tell me how I can get back my desktop?
[21:46] <b1shop> guntbert: yeah.  i installed 9.10 from a cd.  then installed virtualbox, and can't boot the same cd
[21:46] <del_diablo> shadeslayer: I could not get into the install................. it did just go on the settings, until it reached to select a mirror and got stuck since it had some bizzaro 100% need for a mirror and to ping it.
[21:47] <saji> hey can anybody help me?
[21:47] <guntbert> b1shop: sorry - I always use the images with vbox - never a "real" CD
[21:48] <penguin42> saji: SO you have  a white screen?
[21:48] <b1shop> yeah.  i twas the iso i downloaded.  oh well.
[21:48] <saji> penguin42, ya.. only a white screen...
[21:48] <del_diablo> saji: Your not giving out any information. What hardware? Did you have Ubuntu before and upgrade killed it, or is it a fresh install?
[21:48] <penguin42> saji: Do you get that straight from bootup or only after login?
[21:49] <guntbert> b1shop: then try, connect the iso and boot from it
[21:49] <sunshinepants> what are my options if I want to use a normal cordless handset to send/receive calls through gizmo on my computer?
[21:49] <saji> del_diablo, I upgraded my Ubuntu 9.04..
[21:49] <penguin42> sunshinepants: I'd say that's probably quite hard - I think you can get PBX cards that have an interface equivalent to a phone socket
[21:50] <saji> del_diablo, my hardware is i486(Core 2 Duo)
[21:50] <sunshinepants> penguin42: it doesn't have to be real pots hardware.. the equivalent sip hardware would work.. any suggestions?
[21:50] <del_diablo> saji: And what GPU?
[21:50] <rob0> sunshinepants, asterisk or freeswitch for software, a Sipura or PCI FXS interface for hardware.
[21:50] <penguin42> sunshinepants: Yeh but how would you connect an existing wireless unit to it?
[21:50] <saji> del_diablo,an intel one
[21:51] <sunshinepants> penguin42: oh I meant using a cordless handset that is built specifically for sip, idk if that even exists.
[21:51] <saji> peguin42, I get that only after login...
[21:51] <penguin42> sunshinepants: Oh right
[21:52] <sunshinepants> rob0: thxthx
[21:52] <penguin42> saji: And you get the normal login screen and boot up stuff before that?
[21:52] <saji> penguin42,I get that only after login....
[21:53] <penguin42> saji: KDE or gnome or what?
[21:53] <rob0> sun, the generic word to look for to buy is not Sipura, it's "analog telephone adapter", SIP ATA.
[21:53] <saji> penguin42,Ya i get.. But not the new boot method, the old method..
[21:53] <penguin42> saji: Sorry, I don't understand that?
[21:53] <saji> penguin, i'm getting the boot method as in Ubuntu 9.04, not the new splash screen...
[21:54] <saji> penguin42, but the login screen is the new one...
[21:54] <penguin42> saji: is it an upgrade or a fresh install?
[21:54] <saji> penguin42, its an upgrade..
[21:55] <HoopyCat> sunshinepants:  there are some 802.11* cordless SIP handsets out there.  they're not inexpensive.  if you already have a cordless POTS phone, an ATA is the way to go
[21:55] <penguin42> saji: When you select your user you can choose between the different login sessions - e.g. gnome or kde - if you have any other on there perhaps you can try one of the others?
[21:55] <rob0> sun, another caveat, you cannot buy an unlocked ATA in a typical brick-&-mortar store. Those are locked to Vonage typically.
[21:55] <saji> penguin, i have only GNOme...
[21:56] <penguin42> saji: Does it give you a failsafe option?
[21:56] <saji> penguin42, I have only gnome...other optiom is terminal..
[21:56] <rob0> HoopyCat: most folks I know who have tried them say that the native wireless SIP phones are poor quality.
[21:56] <saji> penguin42, no it does not..
[21:56] <penguin42> saji: Do you use desktop-effects and what type of graphics card do you have?
[21:56] <sunshinepants> HoopyCat: no pots phone yet, but with pots we have a lot more variety.. thanks for that info.. I'm trying to reduce the cost of my communications related bills by half.
[21:57] <saji> penguin42,I used Compiz-fusion for desktop effects, my graphics card is intel 965..
[21:58] <penguin42> saji: So it should work, but my best guess would be it's a 3d problem and the best thing would be to turn compiz off
[21:58] <rob0> sunshinepants: other than Internet, which I was going to pay for anyway, I pay ~US$30/year or so for telephony. That's strictly for outbound (termination), I pay nothing for inbound (origination).
[21:58] <saji> penguin42, how'll i do that via terminal?
[21:59] <HoopyCat> rob0:  i haven't used one in awhile, but yeah, there are some tough challenges to overcome.  (i do the cordless phone + ATA thing when it's time to call mom and cook dinner, but i have a native IP desk phone)
[21:59] <penguin42> saji: Once it's gone to a white screen can you do ctrl-alt-f1 to get a terminal?
[21:59] <saji> penguin42, I'm in that terminal now chatting with you..:)
[22:00] <saji> penguin42, now what?
[22:00] <sunshinepants> rob0: you're taking advantage of free voip & use a sip ata? who is your data provider, I assume you only pay for a single broadband connection
[22:00] <penguin42> saji: try export DISPLAY=:0    metacity --replace
[22:01] <HoopyCat> sunshinepants,rob0:  i used to work for a carrier and left on good terms, so i have a reasonably decent plan here, BUT it's very possible to do much better price-wise than i.
[22:01] <del_diablo> Workaround for the alternative install getting stuck on wanting to ping mirrors then?
[22:02] <rob0> I have done this on several ISPs, including AT&T ADSL and Comcast cable. My free origination provider is ipkall.com.
[22:02] <saji> penguin42 the command reports not to have an option metacity --replace
[22:03] <penguin42> saji: Do the export DISPLAY=:0 hit return then do metacity --replace     and if it doesn't work say the exact error
[22:04] <sunshinepants> rob0: any reason why ipkall & not gvoice?
[22:04] <saji> penguin42,ok... I'll do that...
[22:04] <rob0> gvoce?
[22:06] <saji> penguin42, the error is Window manager error:Unable to open X Display..
[22:06] <rob0> Meaning Google voice? Well, I have had these phone number for many years, Google voice is a new thing. Furthermore it does require you to have some other telephone number to forward to.
[22:06] <rob0> So, any reason to eat an apple and not an orange?
[22:07] <del_diablo> "Minimal install", how do use it from the alternative install? It keeps getting stuck on wanting to ping mirrors on a non-existing connection............................
[22:07] <penguin42> saji: OK, are you logged into the console as you? and you had already logged in to the X display?
[22:08] <saji> penguin42, I'm now logged into the console as me, and logged into the X display too, to see only a white screen...
[22:08] <HoopyCat> rob0:  you don't have to peel the apple
[22:09] <penguin42> saji: OK, I wonder if the X server completely crashed - do ps -eaf|grep X and tell me if you have a line /usr/bin/X blah
[22:09] <sunshinepants> rob0:  google voice
[22:10] <sunshinepants> oh I see above, cool
[22:10] <sunshinepants> almost ready to ditch my cell service.
[22:11] <saji> penguin42, there is that line /usr/bin/X and blah... blah..blah...
[22:12] <penguin42> saji: Hmm ok, that's good - do echo $DISPLAY
[22:12] <rob0> Cell is ridiculously expensive. I don't understand all these people I see talking on them all the time.
[22:13] <penguin42> rob0: Probably on fixed priced contracts or low cost to certain cases, or the company is paying
[22:13] <rob0> or they're silly :)
[22:13] <rob0> Even a family plan is more than I'd spend.
[22:13] <saji> penguin, In caps? then no output, but in small letters, i get output as :0
[22:14] <penguin42> saji: So do export DISPLAY=:0   and then do that metacity command
[22:15] <dotblank> hmm getting artifacts in 9.10 with nvidia gpu
[22:15] <saji> penguin42, what was the metacity command?
[22:15] <penguin42> saji: metacity --replace &
[22:16] <saji> penguin "&" needed?
[22:16] <penguin42> saji: It just lets you get the prompt back in your console
[22:16] <del_diablo> "Minimal install", how do use it from the alternative install? It gets stuck before the choice appers, and its not in the first menu?
[22:17] <Lenin_Cat> how do I repair broken packages
[22:17] <Lenin_Cat> because the upgrade just F-ed my alsa package
[22:17] <penguin42> Lenin_Cat: removing the package, or installing a newer or older version - but it depends just how it's f-ed
[22:17] <saji> penguim42, still error-"protocol not specified and the earlier error too" Window manager error:Unable to open X Display.
[22:18] <Lenin_Cat> how do I just repair all packages
[22:18] <tormod> Lenin_Cat, define broken
[22:18] <penguin42> saji: OK, I don't know why then - if X is still running, that should work
[22:18] <Lenin_Cat> THERE IS A COMMANDS
[22:18] <Lenin_Cat> THAT DOSE IT
[22:19] <Lenin_Cat> what is it
[22:19]  * penguin42 hits Lenin_Cat with a trout
[22:19] <del_diablo> Lenin_Cat: dkpg *something*, attempt to install something via apt-get should give it
[22:19] <penguin42> Lenin_Cat: There are many ways to break a package
[22:19] <del_diablo> penguin42: stop being rude
[22:19] <saji> penguim42, Is there anyway to revert to Ubuntu 9.04?
[22:19] <Lenin_Cat> dpkg something
[22:19] <penguin42> del_diablo: That's not rude, it's a humour
[22:20] <penguin42> saji: Nope
[22:20] <Lenin_Cat> dpkg something
[22:20] <Lenin_Cat> what is the something
[22:20] <Lenin_Cat> I know its dpkg
[22:20] <Lenin_Cat> then something
[22:20] <penguin42> Lenin_Cat: That depends how it's broken
[22:20] <tormod> dpkg-configure -a ?
[22:20] <saji> pengui42, what can I do now?
[22:20] <Lenin_Cat> tormod, thats it
[22:21] <Lenin_Cat> command not found...
[22:21] <Lenin_Cat> dear god...
[22:21] <penguin42> saji: I dunno, my guess is if you can find a way to disable 3D you stand a good chance
[22:22] <del_diablo> tormod: its not dpkg, its dkpg
[22:22] <saji> penguin42, but what puzzles me that before the white screen the Compiz-fusion splash screen shows up, then only white...:)
[22:22] <tormod> del_diablo, not at all
[22:22] <tormod> Lenin_Cat, dpkg --configure -a
[22:23] <penguin42> saji: My guess is X crashed due to a 3d problem which compiz uses heavily
[22:23] <Lenin_Cat> D:
[22:23] <Lenin_Cat> it reports nothing
[22:23] <Lenin_Cat> I want my soung back
[22:23] <penguin42> saji: I tell you what, create a new user from the command line and see if you can log in as them
[22:23] <Lenin_Cat> :<
[22:24] <penguin42> Lenin_Cat: Easiest thing is to reinstall the package - it stands a chance
[22:25] <Lenin_Cat> and now my mouse isnt working
[22:25] <Lenin_Cat> great job canoial
[22:25] <Lenin_Cat> great job.
[22:25] <Lenin_Cat> what is the name of the package?
[22:26] <saji> pensuin42, how'll create a new user via terminal?
[22:26] <saji> sorry, penguin42?
[22:26] <penguin42> saji: useradd nameofuser
[22:27] <tormod> Lenin_Cat, alsa-base?
[22:27] <del_diablo> penguin42: don't forget "passwd nameofuser" to set the password, or to edit sudoers for givivng sudo permission
[22:28] <saji> penguin42, no need to set password?
[22:28] <penguin42> saji: Always best to set one; lets just see if you do that whether it will let you log in
[22:28] <evilaim> How can I see what I have installed for a flash player?
[22:28] <penguin42> evilaim: go to about:plugins
[22:29] <evilaim> tx
[22:29] <saji> penguin42, it doesn't allow me to login...
[22:30] <penguin42> saji: I think you're going to need to sit down with that machine with someone, it's getting too difficult to debug remotely
[22:30] <saji> penguin42, let's just try as much as you can..please..
[22:32] <Commie_Cary> sense you guys decided to totally brake my system
[22:32] <del_diablo> Commie_Cary: ehm, what?
[22:32] <xnitex> am i the only one who doesn't have a broken system on karmic? lol xD
[22:32] <penguin42> saji: Well we've been going a good half hour so far
[22:33] <Lenin_Cat> who wants remote control of my system to fix it? :)
[22:33] <xnitex> is anyone running karmic on a acer aspire one ZG5 in here, besides myself?
[22:33] <xnitex> :D
[22:34] <saji> peguin42, I got logged in to new user after creating password...
[22:34] <saji> [enguin42, now i get a screen with only the background...
[22:34] <Lenin_Cat> be glade my remote desktop is also broken
[22:34] <penguin42> saji: Well it's good to have some variety
[22:34] <saji> penguin42...
[22:34] <saji> penguin42,yeah....:)
[22:35] <Kaj> I'm using an elcheapo acer extensa4630Z,  xnitex ... what's the prob?
[22:35] <penguin42> saji: Well I haven't got many ideas left, one thought is you could try installing xubuntu-desktop and then try logging in on eithe ruser on that
[22:36] <saji> penguin42, it showed that there is some gnome configuration error...
[22:36] <del_diablo> Help! Alternativ install does not get paste selecting a mirror, how do i get past this?
[22:36] <Lenin_Cat> 12000 packages broken
[22:36] <xnitex> i was just wondering as to how to find a guide and help in regards to getting my microphone input and suyin crystal eye webcam working correctly? as i don't believe it is working correctly in karmic and was hoping to help provide documentation on how to do so?
[22:36] <Lenin_Cat> GREAT JOB.
[22:36] <Lenin_Cat> GREAT JOB...
[22:37] <guntbert> Lenin_Cat:  Do you have an ubuntu support question?
[22:37] <del_diablo> xnitex: start alsamixer, the input was disabled by default on my computer on the last version. I highly doubt its changed.
[22:37] <Lenin_Cat> guntbert, why dose the beta act like a alpha 1
[22:37] <russlar> Lenin_Cat: mmm.... beta
[22:37] <Lenin_Cat> :)
[22:37] <Lenin_Cat> russlar, it acts more like alpha 1
[22:38] <del_diablo> guntbert: He first asked for the command that was suppose to fix broken packages
[22:38] <saji> Lenin_Cat, Ya it sure is more of an Alpha stuff than Beta one...
[22:38] <Kaj> xnitex, also make sure you have no M in the ctrls on alsamixer
[22:39] <saji> penguin42, any other options?
[22:39] <Kaj> xnitex, M=mute
[22:39] <penguin42> saji: I'd say that's probably the easiest one to get you going
[22:39] <xnitex> okay i see that it says underneath capture having ran alsamixer in terminal that there is mic boost capture and input source
[22:39] <guntbert> del_diablo: I see now - thx
[22:39] <xnitex> its set on i-mic, which i'm guessing is referring to the internal microphone
[22:39] <fokuslee302> 9.10 even install vm tools on the fly, got the system runing in 20 minutes very impressive
[22:39] <xnitex> capture is set at 61<>32
[22:39] <saji> penguin42, what is?
[22:39] <xnitex> the chip is the Realtek ALC268
[22:40] <penguin42> saji: Installing xubuntu-desktop and then logging in in that
[22:40] <fokuslee302> However i try to browse internet keep on saying flash ins not installed
[22:40] <xnitex> HDA Intel is what its recognized as it also outputs
[22:40] <fokuslee302> cant watch nay utube video
[22:40] <saji> penguin42, no way to fix this?
[22:41] <xnitex> besides these few post hardware configurations, i am extremely pleased with Karmic
[22:41] <xnitex> :]
[22:41] <penguin42> saji: There probably is but I can't debug it remotely - maybe someone else can
[22:41] <Lenin_Cat> I am not
[22:42] <saji> penguin42, I think I shouldn't have been so keen at helping test the beta Ubuntu at first place... Now only I'm there to suffer..
[22:42] <saji> penguin42, thanks for the help....
[22:43] <penguin42> saji: Well I'm just a user like you
[22:43] <russlar> I think my beta install just froze while settign users and passwords
[22:43] <del_diablo> penguin42: Your a user wit some knowledge, the difference is big :P
[22:43] <penguin42> saji: Generally it's best to install betas etc in vm's or a spare machine unless you really know how to fix things
[22:43] <russlar> nope, just being slow
[22:44] <evilaim> I can't seem to get this dumb plugin to work
[22:44] <saji> penguin42, that's fine.. Thanks anyways for spending time with me...
[22:44] <dotblank> penguin42, well sometimes a real test needs to be on hw
[22:44] <saji> penguin42, actually i had tried it in VBox, it had worked ok then..
[22:44] <Lenin_Cat> how do you restart alsa-utils?
[22:44] <dotblank> it works fine in Vbox
[22:45] <saji> penguin, I think the update process has many flaws with the configuration stuff...
[22:45] <penguin42> dotblank: Yeh but gthings can always go wrong so you do tend to know how to be able to get yourself out of a mess!
[22:45] <evilaim> My OS: Ubuntu 9.10 Beta 64bit. Problem: I can't get Flash Player 10 Alpha 64 bit to install into firefox.
[22:45] <del_diablo> Help! Alternativ install does not get past selecting a mirror, how do i solve this so i can install?
[22:45] <penguin42> evilaim: Have you installed the flashplugin-installer package?
[22:46] <evilaim> umm
[22:46] <evilaim> no?
[22:46] <saji> penguin42, I'm going off now bye...:) I guess I now have to reinstall my Ubuntu...
[22:46] <del_diablo> And how do i force the alternativ install to NOT check for CD, since there is no USB thingy for it?
[22:46] <Lenin_Cat> how do you restart alsa-utils?
[22:46] <evilaim> flashplugin-installer is already the newest version.
[22:46] <penguin42> evilaim: Try uninstalling it and reinstalling
[22:47] <Lenin_Cat> how do you restart alsa-utils?
[22:47] <evilaim> doing it now
[22:47] <tormod> Lenin_Cat, what do you mean, is alsa-utils a daemon?
[22:48] <wathek> hello all
[22:48] <evilaim> done
[22:48] <Lenin_Cat> tormod, no because it says command not found
[22:48] <wathek> i wanted to know what Qt version will be included in Kubuntu Karmic Koala ?
[22:48] <Lenin_Cat> who ever directed the 9.10 dev team
[22:48] <Lenin_Cat> what the fuck.
[22:48] <del_diablo> guntbert:  How do i get past select mirror on the alternative installer, and to get the standard routine to not attempt to check for a CD-rom?
[22:48] <evilaim> Let me test
[22:48] <russlar> wathek: think it's 4.5.2
[22:49] <Seeker`> Lenin_Cat: watch it
[22:49] <evilaim> negative
[22:49] <wathek> russlar, oh :(
[22:49] <evilaim> It doesn't show up in about:plugins
[22:49] <penguin42> evilaim: You quit and restarted firefox completely after the reinstall?
[22:50] <evilaim> yes
[22:50] <saji> leave
[22:50] <Lenin_Cat> D:
[22:50] <guntbert> del_diablo: its  been a while but you can choose a different mirror (not only the one for your country)
[22:50] <Lenin_Cat> apt-get is segment faulting
[22:50] <akn> Hello everyone.. I would like to know. I have Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07). Are the intel drivers in Karmic fixed? Because i have jaunty, when i play warzone 2100 i see the menu but the game is all black.
[22:50] <penguin42> evilaim: OK, somewhere under .mozilla/firefox/funnyname is a file called pluginreg.dat - remove it and restart firefox
[22:51]  * penguin42 disappears for a while
[22:51] <del_diablo> guntbert: I am not sitting on cabled network(using wlan), how do i force it to skip this part and use the already downloaded content(its a 700mb cd :/)?
[22:52] <russlar> wathek: yeah, there was a post on kfn about it a week or so ago, I'm trying to dig it up...
[22:52] <evilaim> testing
[22:52] <wathek> russlar, coz Qt 4.5.3 is there a couple of weeks ago and it's more interesting to have it
[22:53] <russlar> wathek: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/karmic-changes/2009-October/011108.html
[22:53] <evilaim> negative
[22:53] <wathek> russlar, thank you
[22:53] <russlar> wathek: they couldn't get 4.5.3 to compile properly
[22:53] <wathek> huh ?!
[22:54] <russlar> wathek: yeah, the post says they couldn't compile in teh daemons properly
[22:54] <Commie_Cary> sense apt-get has decided to not work
[22:54] <wathek> russlar, I'm gonna read it
[22:56] <Lenin_Cat> how do I reinstall all packages?
[22:56] <guntbert> del_diablo: as far as I remember only the base packages are on that CD, so maye if you restrict the installation to the bare minimum you might be lucky
[22:56] <del_diablo> Commie_Cary: There is no user named "sense" present in this chat, do you mean sincee?
[22:56] <akn> Hello everyone.. I would like to know. I have Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07). Are the intel drivers in Karmic fixed? Because i have jaunty, when i play warzone 2100 i see the menu but the game is all black.
[22:57] <evilaim> Can someone help me, I can't seem to install the 64bit flashplayer 10 alpha...
[22:58] <del_diablo> guntbert: *facepalm* karmic-alternate-amd64.iso image file got an install size of 689MB, and there is no option on it to just go on instant install for the core......
[23:00] <russlar> del_diablo: can you disconnect the machine from the network? that should force it to use the disk
[23:00] <del_diablo> russlar: I was never connected to a network?
[23:01] <kaddi> !rc
[23:01] <kaddi> ok, gonna ask the most beloved question: is the release candidate out yet?
[23:01] <del_diablo> kaddi: Nope, and never.
[23:01] <kaddi> srsly?
[23:01] <guntbert> del_diablo: did you try to install no extra packages?
[23:02] <nemo> if I override HOME, can that screw up audio?
[23:02] <evilaim> Shockwave Flash 10.0 r32 <--- does that mean I'm using the alpha?
[23:02] <nemo> trying to figure out an odd SIGFPE in SDL mixer that recently started cropping up only if HOME is overridden
[23:02] <kaddi> is there any particular reason why the servers have been dead slow today? I thought it might be due to the RC release
[23:02] <DeathCrawler> Ubuntu is freezing, it may have something to do with the Cool N Quiet?
[23:02]  * nemo studiously avoids saying anything more than default audio since some folks in channel get their panties in a bunch 
[23:03] <CShadowRun> Anyone know how to get the temperature from a nvidia card?
[23:03] <claude> thanks for the help earlier (forgot who it was) - with today's daily snapshot textmode console worked fine and i got the beta nvidia driver installed with no problems
[23:03] <rsk> CShadowRun: lm_sesnors or nvidia-settings
[23:03] <nemo> I notice these created under the overridden home .config  .esd_auth  .pulse  .pulse-cookie
[23:03] <nemo> CShadowRun: yeah, is in their decent gui tool too
[23:03] <CShadowRun> rsk sensors returns very little (only my cpu temperatures)
[23:04] <CShadowRun> nvidia settings people keep saying that but i can't find it in there
[23:04] <nemo> whiiich rsk said already
[23:04] <nemo> n/m
[23:04] <rsk> CShadowRun: install it
[23:04] <nemo> GPU - > Thermal Monitor
[23:04] <CShadowRun> rsk which?
[23:04] <nemo> mine's at 58. nice
[23:04] <kaddi> del_diablo: what do you mean by never?
[23:04] <CShadowRun> i don't have a thermal monitor option
[23:04] <del_diablo> guntbert: First it gave me an error since its on a USB stick and pushes me into expert modus, without any option of "yes this media is intact, let me attempt this on my own risk". Then after setting everything in a ordely fashin i arrive at network and mirror, no option of actually NOT selecting one, and it says every time after i attempt to select a mirror that i should connect to a network and try again, no option of "sorry, just use the damn
[23:04] <del_diablo> CD".
[23:04] <rsk> CShadowRun: then you don't have a sensor in your GPY
[23:04] <rsk> GPU*
[23:04] <CShadowRun> i just have GPU 0 - (GeForce 8800 GT) -> PowerMizer, CRT-0, CRT-1
[23:05] <CShadowRun> that's pretty crappy...it's a modern card :(
[23:05] <DeathCrawler> lol
[23:06] <DeathCrawler> CShadowRun: i just have 9800GT, is almost equal. -_-
[23:06] <CShadowRun> DeathCrawler, and does yours have a sensor?
[23:06] <guntbert> del_diablo: I see..., well no help from me either, the last time I used alternate I had a "local" repository set up
[23:06] <DeathCrawler> lol, no
[23:07] <CShadowRun> i'm seeing posts that say it should have a sensor too
[23:08] <CShadowRun> http://computersstoneage.blogspot.com/2008/06/asus-nvidia-8800-gt-gpu-temperature.html
[23:08] <CShadowRun> ...oh
[23:08] <CShadowRun> :@
[23:08] <DeathCrawler> I'm having a problem, ubuntu freezing
[23:08] <DeathCrawler> Heard that the cool 'n' quiet is buggy
[23:08] <DeathCrawler> Is true?
[23:09] <kaddi> have you checked launchpad?
[23:10] <wathek> russlar, there's no details !
[23:11] <jbuncher> can someone point me to a samba irc?
[23:12] <rsk> #samba
[23:12] <rsk> may be the dance  thou
[23:12] <rsk> never been in there
[23:13] <russlar> any kubuntu users know if there's a GUI for grub2 config like there was in jaunty for grub?
[23:14] <kaddi> russlar: I dont use grub2 yet, isn't there anything in system settings? that's where I would look
[23:14] <jbuncher> rsk : thanks
[23:16] <the_dark_warrio> Is the beta iso file updated after beta release?
[23:18] <dno> can someone help me with getting wlan working on karmic?
[23:20] <gogeta> hry how come 9.10 moblin isnt on the main site
[23:20] <CPrgmSwR2> Hey Guys, I have had sound before with kubunt 9.04 but with kubuntu 9.10 no sound
[23:20] <CPrgmSwR2> this is with a fresh install
[23:25] <Tarrok> helo . wt is better way to backup my files with rsync??? in other words, wt is the commands to keep all original infomations of the files?
[23:25] <whit> I would use tar
[23:26] <bjsnider> CPrgmSwR2, with a fresh install, not an upgrade?
[23:26] <whit> tar -cvzf mybackup.tgz /home/youraccount
[23:26] <CPrgmSwR2> bjsnider: that is correct
[23:27] <whit> I am having problems with my HP laptop..Wireless is now not working at all...I have the HP 6735b. Any ideas?
[23:28] <CPrgmSwR2> whit: what does lspci give you for your wireless device
[23:28] <wathek> I got a question is it better for my Core2Duo T5800 to install Ubuntu 64Bits or 32Bits ?
[23:29] <whit> not even seeing it...Strange, I know that it is on.  When I was running 9.04 it had some sort of emultaion mode.
[23:30] <CPrgmSwR2> whit: I had to install a driver to get mine working
[23:30] <penguin42> wathek: 64 will probably be a tad faster, sometimes though things like flash can be a bit more of a fight
[23:30] <Andphe> hi, I just upgraded to karmic, and I'm getting an error from a program called palimpsest, it says "DISK IS BEING USED OUTSIDE DESIGN PARAMETERS" backup your data and replace the disk
[23:30] <Andphe> it's the first time that I see this message
[23:30] <whit> Its a Broadcom wireless device
[23:31] <CPrgmSwR2> whit: awsome
[23:31] <penguin42> Andphe: Karmic reports errors from the disk to tell you it's starting to fail
[23:31] <whit> OK awsome, but what driver should I be using?
[23:31] <wathek> penguin42, ok
[23:31] <CPrgmSwR2> whit: install bcmwl-kernel-source
[23:31] <penguin42> Andphe: I would check the output of the smart data (I can't remember where the GUI  is but you can get it with smartctl -a)
[23:32] <CPrgmSwR2> whit: after install that you will need to reboot
[23:32] <Andphe> penguin42:  thanks, checking
[23:32] <whit> Thanks...I will try that..
[23:33] <whit> I will follow up....By the way, So far so good.  I could not get vmware to install/compile, so I switched to VirtualBox, and everything is good.
[23:37] <jedc> Hi, I was wondering if the gnump3d package might be included in Karmic, I know its not in Jaunty :(
[23:37] <penguin42> jedc: Doesn't look like it
[23:37] <Andphe> penguin42: weird
[23:38] <Andphe> I ran smartctl and it said that I need to add -s on to enable the smart support
[23:38] <penguin42> jedc: What is it?
[23:38] <jedc> penguin42, ah thanks
[23:38] <Andphe> penguin42: I did
[23:38] <Andphe> penguin42: then now the message gone
[23:39] <penguin42> Andphe: Weird - can you paste the output of smartctl -a ?
[23:39] <jedc> penguin42, its for streaming audio and video from a remote computer, it was in earlier releases i think
[23:39] <penguin42> Andphe: To a pastebin or the like
[23:39] <Andphe> sure
[23:39] <Andphe> I took this one some minutes ago
[23:39] <Andphe> http://pastebin.com/f582060cf
[23:39] <Andphe> penguin42:
[23:41] <penguin42> Andphe: That's really odd, I think you should report that as a bug maybe against palimpsest but not sure, becaue those smart values are just weird
[23:41] <Andphe> :S
[23:41] <Andphe> ok, I report it
[23:42] <penguin42> Andphe: That's after you did the -s ?
[23:42] <Leftmost> NetworkManager has just recently stopped managing my wired network device, which means that if I plug into a wired network and then switch to a wireless network, my resolv.conf has spurious entries in it. How can I fix this?
[23:42] <Andphe> but penguin42, the most important part, is my hardisk *BAD*
[23:42] <Andphe> ?
[23:42] <Andphe> penguin42: wait I take a new one
[23:43] <Andphe> penguin42: it was when I used the .s
[23:43] <Andphe> sudo smartctl -a -s on  /dev/sda | pastebinit
[23:43] <Andphe> penguin42: that was what I wrote
[23:44] <Andphe> penguin42: the new one http://pastebin.com/f75e81f0a
[23:46] <penguin42> Andphe: OK, so my reading of it is actually those values are fine
[23:47] <penguin42> Andphe: So there's the question of where your original error came from - was it just due to smart not being enabled?
[23:47] <Andphe> wait a minute I paste all what I have on my console
[23:47] <Andphe> so you can read the whole history
[23:48] <CShadowRun> I think i found a bug in nautilus can someone help me confirm?
[23:48] <whit> CPrgmSwR2: Thanks, now it is working.  The next issue is, how do I get it to switch between the wired and wireless without haveing to reboot the system
[23:48] <kaddi> hi, while updating I get these messages:
[23:48] <kaddi> Ignoring install-info called from maintainer script
[23:48] <kaddi> The package emacs23-common should be rebuild with new debhelper to get trigger support
[23:48] <kaddi> Ignoring install-info called from maintainer script
[23:48] <CPrgmSwR2> whit: I am not sure on that one
[23:48] <whit> CSadowRun: what is the issue
[23:48] <Andphe> penguin42: http://paste.ubuntu.com/295759/
[23:49] <kaddi> should I file a bug or is that unnecessary? How do I alert the builder of the package? :p
[23:49] <CShadowRun> whit when you drag a folder from file-foller, across the "places" sidebar in nautilus, it crashes, even the desktop goes
[23:49] <whit> CPrgmSwR2: Thanks...I should have RTFM for the drivers.
[23:49] <CShadowRun> whit as soon as you touch the sidebar it dies
[23:49] <CPrgmSwR2> whit: thats fine glad I could a least hel
[23:50] <penguin42> Andphe: I'd report it as a bug then - if smart wasn't enabled it shouldn't give scary warnings - and it was a very scary warning
[23:50] <Andphe> yep
[23:50] <Andphe> I almost got a attack
[23:50] <penguin42> Andphe: It's a pretty important bug as well or we'll have zillions of people running around panicing in a couple of weeks or never believing it again
[23:51] <whit> CSHAdowRun: Not haveing the same issue here.  I opened the folder explorer and moved a folder around...
[23:51] <CShadowRun> whit it only works if you drag a folder from file-roller
[23:51] <whit> Hang on
[23:51] <Andphe> penguin42:   please let me know if I could do something to help
[23:52] <penguin42> Andphe: Well I'm not a dev so I suggest just report the bug and make the title as clear as possible - e.g. warning given about disc health due to smart not being enabld?
[23:52] <Andphe> sure
[23:52]  * Andphe on it
[23:55] <whit> CShadowRun:  Still nothing.
[23:55] <CShadowRun> whit weird
[23:55] <CShadowRun> i'll video it, hold on
[23:56] <CShadowRun> or even better, i'll run nautilus from terminal and see why it crashes
[23:57] <CShadowRun> http://pastebin.com/m458c93ba
[23:57] <CShadowRun> funky
[23:57] <whit> CShadowRun:  Very strange.  I am not getting the same effect here
[23:58] <whit> CShadowRun: what kind of video card do you have?
[23:58] <CShadowRun> whit a weird setup :P
[23:58] <CShadowRun> 2x Asus nVidia 8800GT running 2 separate X screens both running twinview.
[23:59] <whit> CShadowRun: That might be the problem.  Try taking it to only one screen and see if you get the same error...