[00:05] <dtchen> multitasking across six irc conversations is hard </barbie>
[00:06] <dtchen> bdrung: I'm unfamiliar with xmms2's alsa backend; does it attempt to open plughw: or use default?
[00:07] <joaopinto> I also have /home on ext4, and no sound mixer issues
[00:07] <bdrung> dtchen: dunno
[00:07] <joaopinto> both on my laptop and desktop
[00:08] <bdrung> dtchen: i forwarded your question to the #xmms2 channel
[00:13] <dtchen> bdrung: I could apt-get source xmms2, I suppose, but I'm rather busy ATM
[00:16]  * hggdh is used on being a guinea pig...
[00:23] <dtchen> BUGabundo: / hggdh: ok, testing time: while multiple audio streams are playing simultaneously, can you tell me what (ls -l /proc/$(pgrep pulseaudio)/fd|grep timer) gives you?
[00:24] <hggdh> will try
[00:26] <dtchen> I swear that there's something nasty going on with snd_emu10k1
[00:27] <BUGabundo> empty so far
[00:27] <BUGabundo> starting more audio streams
[00:27] <BUGabundo> dtchen: still empty
[00:27] <dtchen> good
[00:27] <dtchen> I'm going to look for SB Live/Audigy users
[00:27]  * BUGabundo stops players
[00:28] <dtchen> and then I'm going to bludgeon^Wrecommend they get non-Creative hardware
[00:28] <hggdh> empty
[00:28] <BUGabundo> LOL
[00:28] <dtchen> this really looks like a linux bug
[00:28] <dtchen> meaning bug 451893
[00:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 451893 in pulseaudio "PulseAudio opens too many files, locks up, and fills up root fs (/var/log)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/451893
[00:31] <dragon> is there a command line way to find the version of package "whois" in karmic?
[00:31] <dragon> uh, I'm using jaunty to do this
[00:32] <dragon> so apt-cache policy wouldn't work as it is.
[00:32] <dragon> I think there's a bug in the program `whois`, but i need to confirm if it has been fixed before fling it
[00:32] <dragon> filing
[00:32] <BUGabundo> dragon: packages.ubuntu.com?
[00:33] <dragon> BUGabundo: i wanted to do it through command line, am sitting far from an X server
[00:33] <dtchen> dragon: rmadison whois
[00:33] <dtchen> you'll find it in the devscripts package
[00:33] <dtchen> (i.e., install devscripts, then use rmadison)
[00:34] <dragon> dtchen: thanks
[00:34] <dtchen> np
[00:34] <dragon> ok, so whois in jaunty is 4.7.30, and karmic has 4.7.34.
[00:36] <dragon> I don't have access to karmic yet. What's the easiest was to check if `whois -H example.biz` shows a "Catastrophic error" near the end of the output?
[00:36] <dragon> If it hasn't been fixed, it deserves a bug report.
[00:38]  * dtchen hugs ~/bin/
[00:39] <dragon> It's still a problem in karmic.
[00:39] <dtchen> what are the symptoms?
[00:39] <dtchen> ah, in #ubuntu+1. n/m
[00:43] <dragon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/whois/+bug/453599
[00:43] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 453599 in whois "Catastrophic error while querying a .biz domain with -H flag" [Undecided,New]
[00:50] <dtchen> ah, pretty straightforward to fix, actually
[01:24] <dtchen> ahh. It's nice to fix bitesized bugs like 453599.
[05:38] <kblin> morning
[05:40] <kblin> I've just opened a bug that looks very similar to an existing bug. However, mine just happened now, while the other was marked as "fix released" in august. can I reopen the one marked "fixed" when I mark my bug as a dup?
[06:19] <Rocket2DMn> kblin, if a bug is marked as fixed, you should open a new report
[06:19] <Rocket2DMn> feel free to mention the old one though
[06:19] <Rocket2DMn> and now i'm off to bed, cheers :)
[06:26] <kblin> yeah, stack trace is different anyway
[08:18] <Laibsch> Can somebody who can read stacktraces please take a look at bug 338217 and bug 199592 to confirm or disconfirm whether those two are dupes?
[08:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 338217 in scim-bridge "scim-bridge crashed with SIGSEGV in scim::Module::unload()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/338217
[08:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 199592 in scim-bridge "scim-bridge crashed with SIGSEGV in scim::Module::unload()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199592
[08:33] <youssef> Good morning. I have upgrade to Karmic Koala. And it freezes usually when using Firefox. I can move the mouse, but windows and menus do not react. ctrl-alt-fX, ctrl-alt-del ctrl-alt-bhackspace do not work
[08:34] <youssef> Anyone knows a better solution than powering-off?
[08:43] <youssef> I have found dontzap
[08:43] <youssef> see you
[09:10] <bug|unfixed> Hello! I have a problem with the wireless network @ work (Jaunty): There are several access points around, with the same SSID. That seems to confuse the network manager, and always disconnets after a few seconds. Is that a known bug?
[10:12] <RoadRunnR> hi, i need some help determining the exact cause of a bug, i already filed #453330, but that might be the wrong package
[10:13] <RoadRunnR> it could well be tar that is broken in mysterious ways
[10:35] <HollowPoint> anyone here?
[10:51] <HollowPoint> Having some serious problems with System Settings in Karmic after re-installing pulseaudio, I now can't open my multimedia settings in System Settings at all, not sure whether to file this as a bug or not because I re-installed the app and as an after-thought I'm not sure that's something you're supposed to do lol
[12:44] <xteejx> hey guys, anyone here?
[13:43] <xteejx> bug 375530, needs marking Confirmed since it's not in the repos, I would do it but its my own
[13:43] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 375530 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] foldit game to Ubuntu repository" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/375530
[14:53] <livewire> hello, i have installed the kubuntu-desktop package in karmic and now the cursor-theme in Human and HumanLogin defaults to the oxygen-cursor-theme (oxy-white). i can choose another cursor theme for my session, of course, but the cursor theme for gdm/HumanLogin still is oxy-white.
[17:42] <xteejx> evening all
[18:04] <xteejx> bug 159100 - should that really be the case!?
[18:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 159100 in hibernate "Remove from archive / Conflict with "acpi-support"" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/159100
[18:15] <xteejx> anyone alive or triaging?
[18:42] <indus> xteejx, hello
[18:43] <indus> xteejx, u there?
[18:50]  * hggdh is alive
[19:01]  * Rocket2DMn is also alive
[19:02] <youssef> Hello. Is it normal that Koala freezes while I use my browser?
[19:03] <Rocket2DMn> no, that is not normal
[19:04] <youssef> I have uninstalled flash, hoping it will solve it. But Seamonkey keeps freezing
[19:05] <youssef> when it happens, I can move the mouse, but windows and menu do not react
[19:06] <youssef> is it a known bug?
[19:08] <Rocket2DMn> youssef, I'm not sure
[19:08] <Rocket2DMn> for debugging help, have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures
[19:08] <Rocket2DMn> there is a link specifically for FF
[19:08] <youssef> ok, thanks
[19:11] <youssef> see you later
[19:12] <Rocket2DMn> it seems like the majority of bugs filed these days are crash reports
[19:13] <youssef> thanks
[19:13] <Rocket2DMn> someday triagers will become all but obsolete :(
[19:20] <Rocket2DMn> hey guys, I'm looking at a private crash report, and the stacktrace contains the user's email address as it is an evolution crash.  Is it OK to make the bug public, or should we keep it private in this case?
[19:30] <Rocket2DMn> bug 454079 for anybody with privileges interested
[19:30] <ubot4> Rocket2DMn: Bug 454079 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/454079 is private
[19:35] <xteejx> Rocket2DMn, thats my bug
[19:36] <xteejx> will check it
[19:36] <Rocket2DMn> good timing xteejx , i was just concerned that it listed your email address
[19:37] <xteejx> well its publicly viewable on my LP page so i wouldnt worry :)
[19:38] <xteejx> i'm just checking it through, will public it in a minute
[19:38] <xteejx> i have bug control access
[19:38] <Rocket2DMn> ok, just better safe than sorry
[19:39] <Rocket2DMn> in fact i dont think emails on LP are fully public, i do believe that you have to be registered and logged in to view others' email address even if they do share them
[19:40] <xteejx> i'm not worried, its a junk mail account anyway and every single one of my passwords are more secure than you can think ;)
[19:40] <xteejx> bug 454079 unmarked private
[19:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 454079 in evolution "evolution crashed with SIGSEGV in malloc()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/454079
[19:41] <Rocket2DMn> heh ok
[19:41] <xteejx> hggdh, sorry mate didnt see that bit :)
[19:41]  * xteejx is recovering from possible swine flu
[19:43] <LordMetroid> Where should I file package dependency bugs?
[19:43] <LordMetroid> CouchDB installation doesn't work, I filed it under https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/couchdb but I am not so sure that is the correct place considering it is very little activity there
[20:01] <xteejx> bug 164507 anyone know if it's still like that, and should it be wishlisted?
[20:01] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 164507 in coreutils "misleading error message in terminal when trying to chmod on fat32" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164507
[20:01] <xteejx> or is is already implemented, i havent got a fat32 partition to test
[21:44] <xteejx> hggdh: are you still here...i need a bit of help :)
[21:55] <del_diablo> Ubuntu alternativ install(the 700mb one) stucks on attempting to ping mirrors, this can't be skipped. And there is no information on the fact that it lacks the ability to connect to wlan, where is this information?
[21:57] <del_diablo> * this is for the 9.10 beta
[21:57] <xteejx> del_diablo, generally wifi will not work on the alternate installer
[21:58] <del_diablo> xteejx: "generally" is the wrong word, the alternativ install does NOT support wifi. Where is the information while in install on that it does not?
[21:58] <xteejx> del_diablo: it says it on the download page...
[21:59] <xteejx> maybe not, it used to
[22:00] <del_diablo> Workaround for the alternative install getting stuck on wanting to ping mirrors then?
[22:01] <xteejx> del_diablo: personally i've never seen that before, but I would suggest filing a bug report, and also check the support channel #ubuntu
[22:01] <xteejx> this is for triaging bugs only
[22:50]  * maxb swears copiously at that STUPID redirect
[22:55] <shakaran> Hi, I trying to report a bug for wine package on Ubuntu, but I cant. If you go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine and you click on rigth side link "Report a bug" you get a info page but dont the report page for fill a bug.
[22:56] <shakaran> how to report then?
[22:56] <mrooney> shakaran: have you tried running "ubuntu-bug wine" from a command-line?
[22:56] <mrooney> that is the preferred method I do believe
[22:57] <shakaran> yes, I get "The problem cannot be reported:This is not a genuine Ubuntu package"
[22:57] <maxb> shakaran: Whilst I despise that there's no way to opt out once you've read it, the info page _does_ tell you what to do
[22:59] <shakaran> I read the page...but I can't report. Listen to me, please
[23:00] <shakaran> I try to report on lauchpad this bug: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20288
[23:00] <shakaran> He said that I need to go to report for my distro. But I can't for my distro Ubuntu
[23:00] <ubot4> bugs.winehq.org bug 20288 in -unknown "Parser error : PCDATA invalid Char value 17" [Normal,Closed: invalid]
[23:04] <mrooney> shakaran: are you using wine from a PPA, perhaps?
[23:04] <shakaran> yes
[23:04] <shakaran> $ wine --version
[23:04] <shakaran> wine-1.1.29
[23:05] <mrooney> ah well the problem is that you aren't using the version Ubuntu ships so it isn't a problem in that package
[23:05] <mrooney> and upstream thinks it isn't their fault
[23:05] <mrooney> you might see if you can reproduce it with the stock version in Ubuntu?
[23:06] <shakaran> umn, then I need downgrade for report?
[23:07] <shakaran> the real problem is that this method reduce the options for report a bug. If you use a package from PPA, you cant report a bug. I have similar issues with firefox-daily ppa
[23:08] <shakaran> I suspect that many bugs was lost from ppa's
[23:10] <mrooney> shakaran: well right, but the problem is, how do you know if the bug exists only in the PPA? If it does, it isn't an Ubuntu bug
[23:10] <mrooney> the only way to know is to test the version in Ubuntu and at that point it should be filed against that
[23:10] <mrooney> there has been some discussion on filing bugs against PPAs
[23:11] <shakaran> well, maybe launchpad needs a option to check from ppa o a checkbox for mark a ppa
[23:12] <shakaran> Ubuntu ship wine-1.0.1...the ppa has wine-1-1-31...these are 30 versions of updates. I have to downgrade there are many probabilities that this bug are different or dont exist.
[23:14] <shakaran> the same with firefox, I test firefox-3.6 and firefox-3.7. Ubuntu ships firefox 3.5. The testing users needs some way for report bugs on ppas. Ubuntu gets better supports with the testing users from ppas.
[23:15] <mrooney> well, the thing is you are testing upstream versions generally in PPAs, and the bugs generally therefore belong upstream
[23:15] <mrooney> it is really a very complicated problem
[23:15] <mrooney> there is no one right solution
[23:16] <mrooney> what we really need is a way to mark a package in a PPA as "official" in some way, so that we can say hey, we care about bugs in these versions, and let users report bugs there
[23:16] <mrooney> but for most PPAs, bugs going to Ubuntu makes zero sense
[23:17] <shakaran> wel, then the ubuntu developers need to talks with wine developers for put a official ppa for this cases.
[23:17] <shakaran> (sorry for my english)
[23:18] <mrooney> right but Launchpad doesn't have the concept of official PPAs
[23:18] <mrooney> (yet)
[23:20] <shakaran> I'd be really happy if we could move this matter quickly. It really is something that is needed.
[23:22] <shakaran> I install the official wine package for ubuntu, and I dont have this issue...but is a old version. I have many bugs with other apps
[23:24] <mrooney> Right, the newer version is much better