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| mdke | morning all | 11:39 |
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| j1mc | hello doc-people | 15:55 |
| mdke | hiya j1mc | 15:55 |
| j1mc | hi mdke | 15:55 |
| j1mc | mdke: had you heard anything about the doc utility put together by canonical? that came as a surprise to me. | 16:00 |
| mdke | j1mc: you mean kyle's project? | 16:00 |
| j1mc | in looking at the wiki and launchpad history, it seems like something that has come together recently. | 16:00 |
| j1mc | yes | 16:01 |
| mdke | not much, only what he has posted to the list | 16:01 |
| j1mc | right | 16:01 |
| mdke | i really think that he needs to work closely to shaunm, because it overlaps very heavily with gnome-doc-utils from what I can see in terms of features | 16:03 |
| Rocket2DMn | hey guys, just FYI the community docs are inaccessible | 16:04 |
| Rocket2DMn | you may have already known that | 16:04 |
| mdke | hmm? | 16:05 |
| Rocket2DMn | ERROR - The requested URL could not be retrieved | 16:05 |
| mdke | ouch | 16:05 |
| Rocket2DMn | are you able to access? | 16:05 |
| mdke | nope, I'll report | 16:05 |
| j1mc | Rocket2DMn: no | 16:05 |
| Rocket2DMn | ok, so we're not (completely) crazy | 16:06 |
| Rocket2DMn | thanks mdke | 16:06 |
| Rocket2DMn | ah, so the community doc server (or its proxy) is called yangmei | 16:06 |
| j1mc | thanks to you, too, connor | 16:06 |
| mdke | looks like a proxy issue yeah | 16:07 |
| Rocket2DMn | the forums have had problems in the past with their proxy | 16:07 |
| Rocket2DMn | not recently though | 16:07 |
| Rocket2DMn | j1mc, i didnt pick up on it, my buddy cprofitt did | 16:07 |
| Rocket2DMn | i'm just the messenger today | 16:08 |
| j1mc | :) | 16:08 |
| Rocket2DMn | BTW, we're gonna get a community doc page on Grub2 real soon, drs305 is finishing it up in the next couple of days i believe | 16:08 |
| j1mc | mdke & Rocket2DMn ... it seems like the new documentation utility is docbook-focused... it seems like the mallard stuff is still up in the air. | 16:09 |
| j1mc | Rocket2DMn: that is great | 16:09 |
| j1mc | finding documentation on grub2 is a little difficult | 16:09 |
| Rocket2DMn | yeah j1mc , there is a page on w.u.c but it is geared toward testers | 16:09 |
| mdke | j1mc: I think it is in very early stages as yet. But gnome-doc-utils is a lot more developed, I think it would make sense for him to base the project off that | 16:09 |
| Rocket2DMn | drs305 has some very nice forum tutorials on grub2, so i asked him to write the community doc page and he accepted | 16:09 |
| mdke | shaunm: if you happen to come upon this discussion, we're discussing https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2009-October/013845.html | 16:10 |
| j1mc | Rocket2DMn: that's great | 16:10 |
| Rocket2DMn | yeah j1mc , i think so too. Some Beginners Team members have some very good knowledge about different subjects and can therefore write good documentation on them | 16:10 |
| Rocket2DMn | bodhi.zazen is great with security and virtualization topics, so I've had him help with firewall documentation, and soon to rework KVM pages and a few others | 16:11 |
| j1mc | mdke: yeah, i think having him collaborate on gnome doc-utils may prove to be most beneficial | 16:11 |
| j1mc | i'm not clear on whether what he's put together is a set of command-line utilities, or if it is something different | 16:12 |
| mdke | j1mc: worth collaring him at UDS and finding out :) | 16:13 |
| Rocket2DMn | mdke, it appears that the docs are back up again | 16:15 |
| mdke | cool | 16:25 |
| Gwaihir | j1mc: I was looking at Kyle branch, looks like he has created a doc template for programs, a directories structure that you can put inside your project, edit a couple of Makefiles and you are done setting up the documentation part | 16:28 |
| Gwaihir | oh... obviously you still have to write the documentation though :) | 16:28 |
| j1mc | Gwaihir: interesting | 16:29 |
| shaunm | mdke: yeah, I'd definitely like to see at least some of that effort put into g-d-u | 16:38 |
| shaunm | we have old docbook templates in the gnome-docu module | 16:38 |
| shaunm | but I think they do more harm than good, because they encourage you to write without planning | 16:38 |
| * mdke nods | 16:39 | |
| mdke | shaunm: I'll post something to encourage Kyle to look at g-d-u too | 16:40 |
| shaunm | not saying we can't identify common document patterns and do some sort of templating for them | 16:40 |
| shaunm | it's actually something I've been wanting to do for mallard documents. provide templates for common page types, with comments containing instructions on how you *probably* should organize information for that page | 16:42 |
| shaunm | but planning and organizing a document is a different beast than deciding how to put words to paper on a single page | 16:42 |
| mdke | yes, I agree | 16:43 |
| shaunm | (obviously, I can't really speak to the sorts of integration features you might want in LP) | 16:43 |
| mdke | I don't think that should matter | 16:44 |
| mdke | Launchpad does its own integration really, at least as far as translations are concerned | 16:44 |
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| Rocket2DMn | mdke, what do you think we should do with bug 442417, there hasn't been any further feedback from the desktop team | 17:43 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 442417 in ubuntu-docs ""Text Editor" changed to "gedit Text Editor" in Applications->Accessories" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/442417 | 17:43 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn: I chatted to seb about it and he said he would get back to me as a few people had complained about the menu entry, but he hasn't... leave it open for now | 17:54 |
| mdke | afk for a bit | 17:55 |
| Rocket2DMn | ok | 17:55 |
| dhillon-v10 | Rocket2DMn: hi what's up | 19:39 |
| Rocket2DMn | hi dhillon-v10 , just watching some football | 19:40 |
| dhillon-v10 | <Rocket2DMn> do you have some time to look over my document that I was working on | 19:41 |
| Rocket2DMn | dhillon-v10, what document is that? | 19:41 |
| dhillon-v10 | http://docs.google.com/View?id=dctjtzjg_113nnb93qf6 | 19:41 |
| dhillon-v10 | <Rocket2DMn> I worked hard on this one | 19:42 |
| dhillon-v10 | :) | 19:42 |
| Rocket2DMn | dhillon-v10, where is this document supposed to go? | 19:43 |
| dhillon-v10 | <Rocket2DMn> system docs. its the user guide for gnome-display apperance | 19:43 |
| Rocket2DMn | I don't believe the system docs have screenshots in them | 19:44 |
| dhillon-v10 | <Rocket2DMn> :( really now I'll have to remove that | 19:44 |
| Rocket2DMn | ok, welli can see some stuff already that isn't quite right | 19:45 |
| Rocket2DMn | for example, in Chapter 2, you said "System -> Administration -> Restricted Drivers Manager " | 19:45 |
| Rocket2DMn | it should be Hardware Drivers right? | 19:45 |
| dhillon-v10 | yes | 19:46 |
| dhillon-v10 | sorry about that | 19:46 |
| dhillon-v10 | its fixed | 19:46 |
| Rocket2DMn | also, the gnome-display-properties doesn't work for nvidia restricted drivers, you need to use their utility | 19:46 |
| dhillon-v10 | but they are downloaded through the same utility | 19:47 |
| Rocket2DMn | they are downloaded through Hardware Dribers | 19:47 |
| Rocket2DMn | but if you try to open gnome-display-properties, it will say that the graphics driver does not support the necessary extensions to use the tool | 19:48 |
| dhillon-v10 | Rocket2DMn> yah that's what I wrote in the document right... | 19:48 |
| Rocket2DMn | dhillon-v10, in your topics list at the top, you don't need phrases like "Talk about" | 19:48 |
| dhillon-v10 | <Rocket2DMn> I am going to remove all that its just for review | 19:49 |
| Rocket2DMn | ok | 19:49 |
| dhillon-v10 | :) so what do you think | 19:49 |
| Rocket2DMn | dhillon-v10, at the beginning, try to avoid using "I" or "me" | 19:50 |
| Rocket2DMn | "I’m going to assume" | 19:50 |
| Rocket2DMn | also, a VGA port on the back of the computer is not the only place to plug in monitors | 19:50 |
| Rocket2DMn | there are also DVI ports, or HDMI, both of which can be used to plug in monitors or TVs | 19:50 |
| dhillon-v10 | <Rocket2DMn> alright, Phil told me about not using I its for review, I will fix the VGA ports part | 19:51 |
| dhillon-v10 | I'll make it third person | 19:51 |
| Rocket2DMn | do you know if X needs to be restarted for a second monitor to be detected, or will it hotplug? | 19:51 |
| dhillon-v10 | <Rocket2DMn> It will have to be restarted so X can change the configuration | 19:52 |
| dhillon-v10 | <Rocket2DMn> hotplug might work but restarting X is a safer way | 19:52 |
| Rocket2DMn | Then you should mention that in chapter 1 | 19:53 |
| Rocket2DMn | i'm not really sure about it though, like you should be able to plug in to projectors and whatnot without having tpo restart X | 19:53 |
| dhillon-v10 | <Rocket2DMn> yes that's true but do you think I should mention that restarting X is a safer way so it should be followed or just mention hotplugging | 19:54 |
| Rocket2DMn | I'm not sure, you may just say that X may need to be restarted if the second moinitor isn't detected when you hotplug and try to enable it within X | 19:55 |
| dhillon-v10 | <Rocket2DMn> ah, effective use of language :) | 19:56 |
| dhillon-v10 | Rocket2DMn> wait a sec. if you go by using the GUI to add a new monitor it will prompt you to log out for changes to take effect so what do you think about that | 19:58 |
| Rocket2DMn | dhillon-v10, that's fine, as long as it's documented | 19:59 |
| dhillon-v10 | <Rocket2DMn> alright, so now I'll have to remove all the screenshots and write parts of the doc. over again right | 19:59 |
| Rocket2DMn | i dont think there is a lot of rewriting to do | 20:00 |
| dhillon-v10 | <Rocket2DMn> yay! I actually did something useful for the community | 20:00 |
| Rocket2DMn | :) | 20:00 |
| dhillon-v10 | <Rocket2DMn> so what happens after I fix those errors, email the doc to you | 20:01 |
| Rocket2DMn | dhillon-v10, it is better if you find out where exactly in the docs it should go, then open a bug report and attach the text | 20:02 |
| Rocket2DMn | you can also email the list | 20:02 |
| dhillon-v10 | <Rocket2DMn> it was on the To-Do list so I started working on it now I have to format the doc. with docbook code and then I'll email the list | 20:03 |
| Rocket2DMn | im not sure what documentaiton may already exist for the stuff you wrote iup | 20:03 |
| dhillon-v10 | <Rocket2DMn> the To-Do list said none existed for that | 20:03 |
| Rocket2DMn | ok, im just saying that idk, I havent looked | 20:04 |
| dhillon-v10 | <Rocket2DMn> can you update the wiki here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Tasks on the gnome-display task so no one else starts working on the same document | 20:05 |
| Rocket2DMn | dhillon-v10, you can update the page yourself | 20:06 |
| Rocket2DMn | it's a public wiki | 20:06 |
| dhillon-v10 | <Rocket2DMn> cool, I didn't know I could do that because that page is important | 20:06 |
| dhillon-v10 | <Rocket2DMn> one quick question are there any online services that convert txt to docbook format | 20:08 |
| Rocket2DMn | not that i know of, you can't convert plain text to docbook since it cant determine what things should have tags | 20:09 |
| Rocket2DMn | although, it may be able to pickup some stuff, there may be a html-to-docbook xslt somewhere | 20:09 |
| dhillon-v10 | <Rocket2DMn> alright I will find something, thank you very much for helping me here | 20:09 |
| Rocket2DMn | sure thing | 20:10 |
| dhillon-v10 | <Rocket2DMn> In 3 years from now I'll catch up to you :P | 20:13 |
| Rocket2DMn | lol, it doesnt take that long. you just gotta give the illusion that you know what you're doing ;) | 20:13 |
| dhillon-v10 | alright bye | 20:14 |
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| mdke | Rocket2DMn: does gufw have a manual now? or did you remove it from the Tasks wiki page on the basis that there is something included in the keeping-safe document? | 21:12 |
| Rocket2DMn | mdke, on the basis that it is outlined int he keeping-safe document | 21:15 |
| Rocket2DMn | if that's not adequate we can add it back to the list | 21:16 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn: ok. It still doesn't have a manual though, it think it needs onboard documentation that goes into more detail | 21:16 |
| mdke | s/it/I | 21:16 |
| mdke | and a help button | 21:16 |
| Rocket2DMn | oic, is the Help menu in Gufw supposed to take you to something in ubuntu-docs ? | 21:17 |
| mdke | no, not necessarily | 21:17 |
| mdke | normally it should point at a manual for the application | 21:18 |
| mdke | sometimes that could be a part of ubuntu-docs, but it doesn't have to be | 21:18 |
| Rocket2DMn | ok, we can add it back to the list, my bad | 21:18 |
| mdke | ok, I'll do it | 21:19 |
| Rocket2DMn | thanks, sorry about that | 21:19 |
| mdke | np at all | 21:20 |
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