[00:23] <jayferd> ping
[00:25] <jayferd> can anybody help me with an install question?
[00:27] <jayferd> ...anyone?
[00:30] <jayferd> i promise it's interesting
[01:06] <jayferd> okay so here's my situation: http://paste.ubuntu.com/295047/
[01:08] <jayferd> easier-to-read version:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/295055/
[01:12] <jayferd> basically, is it possible to do an install from a partition on the main hdd?
[07:08] <Balsaque> hey pete i'm installing xubuntu
[07:18] <Balsaque> _Pete_ the xubuntu seems to be going right in my dimension...
[07:22] <Balsaque> wow half in at 15 minutes
[07:26] <Balsaque> 95% at 24 minutes...wow
[07:31] <Balsaque> well _Pete_ilike the desktop better-and she went in under22 minutes
[07:47] <_Pete_> Balsaque: ?
[07:47] <Balsaque> i am on 2 puters at once
[07:48] <Balsaque> plus th g4 lapper just installed xubu
[07:48] <Balsaque> but need a fliipin connector to go online
[07:50] <Balsaque> unless i do i lil surgery on this 8200 over here...noticed it has a 10/100 on her
[07:54] <Balsaque> _Pete_ are you on xubuntu jaunty?
[07:59] <_Pete_> Balsaque: not any more
[07:59] <Balsaque> _Pete_what are you using
[07:59] <_Pete_> kde3
[07:59] <_Pete_> = my favourite
[08:00] <Balsaque> never heard of that one?
[08:00] <Balsaque> is that kubuntu
[08:00] <_Pete_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_3
[08:01] <_Pete_> currently kubuntu = kde4
[08:01] <_Pete_> I dont like kde4 at all
[08:03] <Balsaque> cross platform..
[08:03] <Balsaque> so what made you chooes it over the bazillions out there
[08:04] <Balsaque> choose*
[08:04] <_Pete_> simple: it works (as I want)
[08:04] <Balsaque> does it have terminal?
[08:05] <_Pete_> of coz
[08:06] <Balsaque> i saw the big clock on it looked a lil like puppy mixed with vista home premium too me
[08:06] <_Pete_> http://quadcore.homeunix.net/~petria/tmp/kde3.jpg
[08:07] <Balsaque> that was me on there!
[08:07] <Balsaque> i like the system monitor on the side cool
[08:07] <Balsaque> there are so many of these...i cant decide which one ilike
[08:07] <_Pete_> it is gkrellm
[08:08] <_Pete_> .. apt-get install gkrellm
[08:08] <Balsaque> i loaded onw with xp pro sp3, i ubuntu 904 i xubu and 3 more to go
[08:08] <Balsaque> i want all 7 to be different
[08:08] <Balsaque> plus one leopard forgot the g4
[08:09] <Balsaque> then that ole 400mgz i have been usin willget puppy or something really lightweight
[08:09] <Balsaque> it coughs a lil on ubun
[08:12] <Balsaque>  like this linux stuff because i really despise anti virus software and i dont use any on my ubuntu
[08:13] <Balsaque> as i click thru the xubu it really seems just like ubuntu...but if its quicker ill like it better
[08:16] <Balsaque> says intel R   pentium R 4 cpu 2.4ghz    49.2 disk space    496.9 memory (weird numbers-not what my invoice says?)
[08:16] <Balsaque> says xubuntu used up 1.7
[08:17] <Balsaque> hmmm....60gig hd minus 1.7 + 49.2 ???thats some weird math
[08:17] <Balsaque> opps meant 60-1.7=49.2?
[08:18] <Balsaque> how can xubuntu take only 1.7...but drop my disk  space from 60 down to 49.2
[08:25] <_Pete_> what's the point?
[08:25] <_Pete_> just use it if works
[08:25] <_Pete_> wondering (stupid) number is not going to get you anywhere
[08:27] <Balsaque> when you put a OS in a mchine that uses 1.7 of the disk, how do you get down to 49.2....there is no point, i am asking you if you know why, if you don't then i really don't care.
[08:28] <_Pete_> I dont
[08:28] <_Pete_> because of this:
[08:28] <_Pete_> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[08:28] <_Pete_> /dev/mapper/vg0-root  1.2T  699G  460G  61% /
[08:30] <Balsaque> allelulah
[08:31] <_Pete_> and coz this happens to be raid0 with 4 sata-drivers
[08:31] <_Pete_> it's also fast
[08:33] <Balsaque> well since i can't leave well enoough alone i am going to get real stupid and start taking parts of one computer so i can get this lil xubu on the internet...
[08:33] <_Pete_> good luck
[08:34] <Balsaque> from what i can see you just reach in there grab the flippin ehternet 10/100 and rip er out straight up!
[08:35] <Balsaque> no swrews at all
[08:36] <Balsaque> is out and it didnt break yet
[08:49] <Balsaque> just wont go in the new one dmmmmit
[08:49] <sabat> My WindowManager seems to have disabled itself somehow. and everytime I reboot it runs Krusader.
[08:50] <sabat> I'm not sure what happened here.
[08:50] <sabat> any ideas on how to get my wm back?
[08:56] <Balsaque> i wish i could help you i have no idea what you are talking about
[08:56] <Balsaque> new ti linux myself
[08:59] <Balsaque> done...
[09:10] <homebrewcider> Hi, I'm wondering if someone can help me. I have a server running xubuntu 8.10. It has a 40g HDD, and a 1 TB HDD, which must be formatted in FAT32 (for a PVR). I have it mounted where I want it (media/data) but only root can read/write to it. I would like to get it user RWable. In my main PC I have a FAT32 formatted drive, but the options on fstab don't seem to get the server 1 tb user RWable. Can anyone help please?
[09:30] <Balsaq_Xubu> wow this is really reallly really fast
[09:31] <Balsaq_Xubu> hey _techie_ i just pulled off major flippin surgery-where the heck were ya
[09:32] <Balsaq_Xubu> gues i can wipe out balsaque....hang on
[09:36] <Balsaq_Xubu> this is way too cool...time for a cold one
[09:39] <_Techie_> what did ya do?
[09:40] <_Techie_> dangit, this is why i wish i had my bouncer online
[09:41] <Balsaq_Xubu> i took the ethernet out of the 8200 and tossed it in one of the 8250's because the 8250's only have what looks to be an rj45 plug hole and  i installed xubu and threw it in where the old 400mgz dell was
[09:42] <_Techie_> wait, a standard adsl internet router uses rj45
[09:43] <Balsaq_Xubu> i duuno thats why i took the ethernet out of the 8200 never saw that other type maybe it would of worked looks a lil bigger so i just used a oart that looked like the thing in the back of my old timer
[09:43] <_Pete_> _Techie_: yo
[09:43] <_Techie_> yo pete, howzit
[09:43] <_Pete_> trying to wake up
[09:43] <_Techie_> haha
[09:43] <_Pete_> am here
[09:44] <_Pete_> _Techie_: do you want ircproxy ?
[09:44] <_Techie_> hey bal, can you pastebin me the output of lspci please
[09:44] <_Pete_> I am currently using bitlbee
[09:44] <_Techie_> yeah, i had one set up on my australian server but thats offline while its tranferred
[09:44] <Balsaq_Xubu> no friggen clue howto do it
[09:45] <Balsaq_Xubu> what out put?
[09:45] <_Techie_> all of it
[09:45] <Balsaq_Xubu> what is it? what for?
[09:45] <Balsaq_Xubu> is that the driver page
[09:45] <_Techie_> it gives me the output of your devices
[09:45] <Balsaq_Xubu> so go to terminal and type  that
[09:46] <_Techie_> yeah
[09:46] <_Techie_> if you want me to get you a command to auto do it i can
[09:46] <Balsaq_Xubu> what is that
[09:46] <Balsaq_Xubu> hang on do i type sudo 1st
[09:47] <_Techie_> lspci | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us
[09:47] <_Techie_> if it needed sudo i would have asked
[09:47] <_Pete_> _Techie_: cool, your skillz do amaze me :)
[09:48] <_Techie_> lol, i didnt write that command
[09:49] <_Techie_> but i do understand how it works
[09:49] <Balsaq_Xubu> i don't have any skills...
[09:49] <_Techie_> oh yeah, i had a question about bitlbee, is it able to keep 2 users connnected to the same account in sync?
[09:49] <Balsaq_Xubu> ok its ready now tell me what the f it is
[09:50] <_Techie_> lspci lists all pci devices
[09:50] <_Pete_> _Techie_: only tried with one MSN, but I guess yes
[09:51] <_Techie_> the other alternative is ZNC, that comes with the ability to use plugin modules
[09:51] <Balsaq_Xubu> gonna have to instal curl
[09:51] <Balsaq_Xubu> and it tells me how
[09:51] <_Techie_> yeah, sudo apt-get install curl
[09:52] <Balsaq_Xubu> what is it in a nutbag...i mean nut shell
[09:52] <_Techie_> pete, ever done any work with sendmail servers?
[09:52] <_Pete_> _Techie_: no
[09:52] <_Techie_> which part do you want me to explain bal?
[09:53] <Balsaq_Xubu> not everything just what is curl
[09:54] <_Techie_> curl is a way of sending data using GET and POST
[09:54] <Balsaq_Xubu> i mean dont i know my pci's when i put it in there were none except the vi card
[09:54] <_Pete_> _Techie_: you know nc is better?
[09:55] <_Techie_> huh, nc... sorry if i seem to be lacking concentration, im at a mates place watching a movie
[09:55] <_Techie_> what is nc?
[09:55] <_Pete_> wrong move
[09:56] <_Pete_> put them to learn linux instead
[09:56] <_Techie_> they are linux folks
[09:56] <_Techie_> they are the people who got me started
[09:56] <_Pete_> NC(1)                                                              BSD General Commands Manual                                                              NC(1)
[09:56] <_Pete_> NAME nc - arbitrary TCP and UDP connections and listens
[09:56] <_Pete_> man nc
[09:56] <Balsaq_Xubu> this one is ten time 50 times faster than my old timer
[09:56] <_Pete_> very powerfull tool
[09:57] <Balsaq_Xubu> when i called dell they sad it has a good vid card too nvidia
[09:57] <_Techie_> yeah, thats why im getting you to output lspci
[09:57] <_Techie_> coz i reckon you could probably run compiz quite happily
[09:58] <Balsaq_Xubu> what will i do with compiz...hear that name all the time
[09:58] <_Pete_> Balsaq_Xubu: you should think otherwise
[09:58] <Balsaq_Xubu> i gotta mess with t for awhile ist i wonder if it will elet me play youtube vids
[09:58] <_Pete_> Balsaq_Xubu: like -> what would I like to do=
[09:58] <_Pete_> when you know that
[09:58] <_Pete_> then you can seek best tools for that
[09:59] <Balsaq_Xubu> prfound...thank you Pete!
[09:59] <_Pete_> if you, like you try to, do otherwise around
[09:59] <_Pete_> it's pointless
[09:59] <Balsaq_Xubu> oh i will just figuring some things out here all new
[10:00] <_Pete_> then again, what is your point?
[10:01] <_Techie_> brb
[10:01] <_Pete_> obiviously you have one
[10:02] <Balsaq_Xubu> still not sure what you are asking me but whatever it is i am sure you put a lot of thoought into it
[10:02] <_Pete_> but Balsaq_Xubu can you say what iti is?
[10:02] <Balsaq_Xubu> i don't recall trying to make a point just now
[10:02] <_Pete_> ok
[10:02] <_Pete_> maybe I am trying to be realistic again
[10:03] <_Pete_> but since is part of my job, hard to not do so
[10:05] <Balsaq_Xubu> ok now i see what you mean pete: ist decide what i want the puter to do...then pick out the best downloads
[10:05] <_Pete_> something like that
[10:06] <_Pete_> you should know how to use it
[10:06] <_Pete_> not how it can use you
[10:06] <Balsaq_Xubu> my main goals are: online videos, speed, speed, speed, email , word processing and so far that is it
[10:06] <_Techie_> the second one is already achieved
[10:06] <Balsaq_Xubu> but its so fast now i guess forget the speed
[10:06] <_Pete_> well spoken on computers
[10:06] <_Pete_> best way to achive those is money
[10:06] <Balsaq_Xubu> ive never seen speed like this
[10:07] <Balsaq_Xubu> i returned a quad core w/ 6g ram and vista and it wasnt as fast
[10:07] <Balsaq_Xubu> you'll have to excuse my exuberance
[10:08] <Balsaq_Xubu> this thing is from 2003
[10:09] <_Pete_> you are looking back
[10:09] <_Pete_> I am looking forward
[10:09] <_Pete_> I dont care what was 2003
[10:09] <_Pete_> but are very intresting to see like +5 years from now
[10:10] <_Pete_> are/am
[10:10] <Balsaq_Xubu> i wnt a new one but the new quad vista computer was so cheap it really turned me off maybe you have had better luck with the new ones
[10:10] <Balsaq_Xubu> maybe the i7 will be good
[10:11] <_Pete_> there's no luck needed
[10:11] <_Pete_> only money
[10:11] <_Techie_> or skill
[10:11] <_Pete_> yes
[10:11] <_Pete_> with later you get first
[10:11] <Balsaq_Xubu> pete maybe you can cut me am loan
[10:12] <_Pete_> Balsaq_Xubu: no thanks
[10:12] <_Techie_> so pete, what do you actually do for a job anyway?
[10:14] <_Pete_> I code programs for n900
[10:14] <_Techie_> sweet
[10:15] <_Pete_> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/petri-airio/5/960/540
[10:15] <_Pete_> like this
[10:17] <_Techie_> cool
[10:18] <Balsaq_Xubu> Pete are you part of the ubuntu staff
[10:18] <_Pete_> Balsaq_Xubu: no
[10:19] <Balsaq_Xubu> you seem to prefer this channel or do you frequent others
[10:19] <_Pete_> as said
[10:19] <_Pete_> I like xfce
[10:20] <_Pete_> but more I like old kde3.xx
[10:20] <_Pete_> but more likely I like my current job
[10:20] <_Pete_> where everything you come with is hitech-very-new
[10:21] <_Pete_> Balsaq_Xubu: so your thinking of how to put some old-dated comp to work is quite irrelevant for me
[10:22] <_Techie_> quite relevant to me though, its what i do
[10:22] <Balsaq_Xubu> Pete: you have made that clear so put some earplugs in if i meantion the age of my computer what can i say
[10:23] <Balsaq_Xubu> i like the new ones toobut they kinda lost me there when they just kept growwing the footprint of th OS
[10:23] <_Pete_> I had have access to computers like
[10:23] <_Pete_> 64cpus & many gigas mem
[10:23] <Balsaq_Xubu> its like they want you to but a loaded computer and 3 years later its seem like junk again
[10:24] <_Pete_> but after all
[10:24] <_Pete_> it doesnt really matter
[10:24] <_Pete_> Balsaq_Xubu: well that is known fact
[10:25] <Balsaq_Xubu> so you seem so well versed incomputers but when iwas installing a few people came in with soemquestions and i noticed you remained silent
[10:26] <_Pete_> Balsaq_Xubu: it is mostly coz I dont understand your english
[10:32] <Balsaq_Xubu> so Techie did you check shpping rates?
[10:33] <Balsaq_Xubu> BRB
[10:33] <_Techie_> on the whole box it would be killer
[10:38] <_Techie_> welcome back bal
[10:39] <Balsaq> _Techie_  it wont play the online vids says i need flash..wich is best: yum for linux, tar.gz for linux, rpm for linux, deb for ubuntu 8.04+  ??
[10:40] <Balsaq> i suppose i can experimant
[10:41] <_Techie_> you will want the .deb
[10:41] <Balsaq> but i am on xubuntu 904 now
[10:41] <Balsaq> ok thanks doing it
[10:43] <Balsaq> do i want to open   or    save
[10:43] <_Techie_> save
[10:43] <_Techie_> then open it
[10:44] <Balsaq> ok
[10:49] <Balsaq> hmmm wil have to study says dpendency not satisfiable
[10:49] <Balsaq> prolly casue they want 512 ram and even though i have it xubu says i have 496?
[10:49] <Balsaq> i have all the other requirements and more
[10:49] <Balsaq> i am going to put it up to 1g ram soon
[10:49] <Balsaq> maybe 2
[10:50] <Balsaq> either that or they want ubuntu
[10:50] <Balsaq> no biggie ill figure it out
[10:53] <Balsaq> brb
[11:09] <Balsaq> _Techie_it loks like i have to do terminal sudo command i found on adobe...
[11:09] <_Techie_> kk
[11:09] <Balsaq> the about restricted...ever do it
[11:10] <Balsaq> whats the command to make sure there is no flash in here now Techie
[11:10] <Balsaq> frsh install really cant be here huh
[11:10] <_Techie_> if you havent installled flash, then theres no flash
[11:11] <Balsaq> ok and i guess we all assume that the built in choices are not the way too gi huh
[11:11] <Balsaq> gi=go
[11:15] <Balsaq> can you play the vids Techie?
[11:15] <Balsaq> the terminal command from adobe didnt work
[11:21] <Balsaq> _techie_ do you know the terminal command to see what i did  install
[11:27] <janhouse> where do I put xfce themes?
[11:30] <knome> janhouse, ~/.themes or /usr/share/themes
[11:30] <janhouse> thx :)
[11:30] <janhouse> can I use themes from gnome?
[11:34] <knome> depends on if you mean icon themes or window decoration themes
[11:34] <knome> or gtk themes
[11:39] <Balsaq> anyone here know how to instal flash
[11:40] <knome> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree ?
[11:41] <Balsaq> thanks knome will try now
[11:44] <Balsaq> says cant find the package
[11:44] <Balsaq> do i need to go insynaptic and find it first knome
[11:45] <Balsaq> or add remove? ill look i guess lost
[11:45] <knome> you have to enable multiverse -repositories
[11:47] <knome> you can do that in for example, synaptic
[11:48] <Balsaq> ok
[11:50] <Balsaq> i just installed xubu and now i see they want me to do the updates,,,this may be why i am having trouble?
[11:50] <Balsaq> whaddya think knome
[11:51] <Balsaq> may as well take em and then see what happens
[12:03] <nic1> hello..does xubuntu support skype?
[12:03] <_Techie_> yes, there is a version available
[12:03] <nic1> _Techie_, can you please tel me that version?
[12:04] <nic1> i am trying to install but getting stuck with errors
[12:04] <_Techie_> do you want 32bit or 64bit?
[12:05] <_Techie_> http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-beta-ubuntu-32 for 32bit
[12:05] <_Techie_> http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-beta-ubuntu-64 for 64bit
[12:06] <nic1> 32 bit
[12:07] <_Techie_> then the first link is for you
[12:08] <nic1> i downloaded it, wen i tried to install, it tells check the permissions
[12:09] <_Techie_> when installing applications you need to use your sudo password
[12:09] <nic1>  i dint install with apt-get right?
[12:09] <_Techie_> nope
[12:09] <nic1> i am actually using xfce session, not xdesktop exactly
[12:10] <_Techie_> doesnt make a difference
[12:10] <nic1> kind of confused, can yu please tel me lil clear
[12:10] <nic1> ok
[12:10] <_Techie_> follow this link http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-beta-ubuntu-32
[12:10] <_Techie_> it will ask you if you want to save a file
[12:10] <_Techie_> save it
[12:10] <_Techie_> run that file
[12:11] <nic1> i saved it, when i tried to run install the package i am getting error
[12:11] <_Techie_> what error
[12:11] <nic1> package might be corrupted or you do not have permissions
[12:12] <_Techie_> it should prompt you for your password for sudo
[12:12] <nic1> i am not getting you
[12:13] <_Techie_> okay, other alternative... im not sure on syntax but try
[12:13] <_Techie_> sudo apt-get install /path/to/file
[12:13] <nic1> both are different right? install the package is through GUI, and the other one is in the terminal..
[12:13] <nic1> ok
[12:14] <nic1> sudo apt-get install /home/username/skype-ubuntu-intrepid_2.1.0.47-1_i386.deb , i ran this, file exists inthat location, but it tells package does not exist
[12:15] <_Techie_> im getting comfused here
[12:15] <_Techie_> confused*
[12:16] <_Techie_> when running from the CLI it says the file does not exist
[12:16] <_Techie_> and when running from GUI, it doesnt ask you for your password and return invalid permissions
[12:16] <nic1> yes
[12:17] <_Techie_> thats wack
[12:17] <_Techie_> my laptop has xfce and even that asks for my password
[12:19] <_Techie_> anyway, i need to get some sleep, its past midnight
[12:23] <janhouse> how can I make xfce's network manager manage my eth0?
[12:23] <janhouse> I have fresh xubuntu install
[12:24] <janhouse> I have to write sudo ifconfig eth0 up and then sudo dhclient to make internet work
[12:24] <_Techie_> it should manage it automatically
[12:24] <janhouse> well, it doesn't
[12:24] <janhouse> xubuntu jaunty
[12:24] <_Techie_> it should appear in the drop down menu on the top bar
[12:24] <janhouse> it doesn't
[12:24] <janhouse> any ideas?
[12:25] <_Techie_> nope, but you could use a script to manage it
[12:28] <_Techie_> anyway, goodnight #xubuntu ill see you in the morning
[12:28] <janhouse> it had something in /etc/network/interfaces
[12:28] <janhouse> I commented it out and will se what happens
[12:29] <janhouse> on gnome you had to do it to make network-manager manage it
[12:29] <Balsaq> ficed it thank youknome plays all the online vids peret and got all the sound on...now i know how to help someone do it...it was the updates holding me back and the that sudo command just forced it
[12:29] <Balsaq> ficed=fixed
[12:29] <knome> Balsaq, okay.
[12:30] <Balsaq> unreal
[12:30] <Balsaq> i gotta master the terminal..the terminal just took control and forced it
[12:31] <Balsaq> knome you are the man....
[12:32] <knome> Balsaq, ;)
[12:32] <knome> Balsaq, thanks
[12:32] <Balsaq> i owe you
[12:35] <Balsaq> where can i buy the book of terminal commands?
[12:35] <Balsaq> we have barnes and noble here
[12:36] <knome> Balsaq, i suppose you could get some *really* cheap ones from amazon.*
[12:36] <Balsaq> well for this i would spend the xtra bucks if i knew there was a book that really covered it well
[12:37] <knome> well, tbh, the best way is to read from internet
[12:37] <knome> manual pages etc. cover the commands really well, and they could change from time to time
[12:37] <Balsaq> ok, i could print the pages and make my own
[12:37] <Balsaq> i really want to nail it
[12:37] <Balsaq> when i typed that non free thing the thing just lit up
[12:38] <knome> http://www.amazon.com/Linux-System-Commands-Patrick-Volkerding/dp/0764546694/ref=sr_1_19?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1255779471&sr=1-19
[12:38] <knome> "24 used from $0.35"
[12:40] <Balsaq> wow ill have to see which one includes all of it
[12:40] <knome> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=ubuntu+command+line&x=0&y=0 <- these also
[12:40] <Balsaq> id do a used if it had all of it of course maybe the write up new ones all the time
[12:40] <knome> might be a bit more expensive, but they are newer and cover ubuntu, apparently
[12:42] <Balsaq> yeah ill get the good one if it has more
[12:42] <Balsaq> until you master terminal its like drowning
[12:42] <knome> i think the latter will cover *buntu* better
[12:43] <Balsaq> tell me is buntu style linuc considered the best or most modern?
[12:43] <Balsaq> i just started a week or 2 ago
[12:43] <Balsaq> i am hooked
[12:43] <knome> mmh, well it has the lowest learning curve, i think
[12:43] <Balsaq> so its linux for dummies
[12:43] <knome> a bit maybe
[12:43] <knome> ubuntu is based on debian, so they have a lot in common
[12:44] <Balsaq> see i have a puppy linux disc too i am getting ready to learn...that prolly hard vore huh?
[12:45] <Balsaq> prolly have too hook up everything with terminal on that one
[12:49] <knome> well puppy is harder, yeah
[12:49] <knome> lunch, bbl ->
[12:49] <Balsaq> ok thanks again
[13:29] <janhouse> how can I drag shortcuts to programs from menu to panel?
[13:29] <janhouse> seems like it is impossible
[13:32] <knome> janhouse, you can't in xfce
[13:32] <nikolam> janhouse, you can use quicklauncher in panel to star applications
[13:32] <janhouse> ok
[13:32] <janhouse> and where can I manage startup apps?
[13:32] <janhouse> I want to run compiz on startup
[13:32] <janhouse> and skype
[13:32] <nikolam> right click on lanel, you can add launcher for bigger icon
[13:34] <nikolam> you could put them on .bashrc file in home dir Or open settings manager and select autostarted applications
[13:35] <nikolam> then click add and add them janhouse
[13:38] <janhouse> cool, thx :)
[13:38] <janhouse> Can I enable compiz in settings manager?
[13:38] <janhouse> or I have to run compiz --replace
[13:40] <janhouse> and is there some task manager like on gnome where I can see what programs are running and have options to kill them
[13:40] <janhouse> with gui
[13:41] <nikolam> janhouse, you can continue to use system monitor from gnome
[13:41] <janhouse> ok, thx
[13:42] <nikolam> as a metter a fact, with using xfapplet xfce applet, you can also continue to use even gnome applets inside xfce
[13:42] <nikolam> package is named gnome-system monitor
[13:43] <nikolam> as here with me, compositing is turned on in settings manager> window manager tweaks> compositor
[13:43] <janhouse> wait
[13:43] <janhouse> how can I add gnome panel applets to xfce panel?
[13:43] <nikolam> after that you turn compiz on (i don`t turn it on regular basis so I would need to look for that)
[13:44] <nikolam> you just add xfapplet applet to xfce panel
[13:44] <nikolam> and from there you just choose installed gnome applets :)
[13:44] <nikolam> (previously installed with synaptic, of course)
[13:50] <janhouse> nikolam, window manager tweaks is empty for me
[13:52] <nikolam> janhouse, what version you installed?
[13:52] <nikolam> of xubuntu?
[13:53] <janhouse> jaunty
[14:02] <nikolam> i am on hardy 8.04/LTS
[14:04] <nikolam> janhouse, we have great wiki, btw, wiki.ubuntu.com
[14:04] <nikolam> also ubuntuforums.com is plce fith tons of answers :)
[14:05] <nikolam> ubuntuforums.org , sorry :)
[15:12] <skavicious> Hello guys!
[15:13] <skavicious> HOlaaaaa! hellooo! how are ya!?
[15:18] <nikolam> skavicious, nice, and you? :)
[15:22] <janhouse> ok, great
[15:22] <janhouse> now it works good enough
[15:22] <janhouse> only sad thing is that xfce main menu is kind of slow
[15:23] <janhouse> it should keep the contents of it in ram or something
[15:23] <janhouse> on machine with 254mb ram and pentium 4 processor it is kind of slow
[15:24] <nikolam> janhouse, i know, menu is slow a bit
[15:25] <nikolam> janhouse, also it was leaking memory in previous versiond, i think now that is fixed
[15:25] <nikolam> janhouse, check out its memory usage after few days of uptime with no logout
[15:26] <nikolam> janhouse, i think you can set that application menu is invoked with right click on desktop, that way it is there only when needed etc
[15:26] <likemindead> RAM's cheap. I'd up the RAM to _at least_ 512MB, janhouse.
[15:26] <janhouse> it is not my computer. I am installing it for friends.
[15:27] <janhouse> yes, I will tell them to buy more ram.
[15:27] <nikolam> yes, more cheap ram is best upgrade
[15:27] <janhouse> Some time ago I used pentium 2 computer with slackware and xfce
[15:27] <janhouse> had ~128mb ram
[15:28] <janhouse> it was sooo slow but I had fun learning to use linux :)
[15:29] <janhouse> this year I got rid of MS WIndows. Feel happy now :D
[15:31] <likemindead> I haven't used Windoze /at all/ in 2+ years now. :-)
[15:47] <baudsmk> I just installed Xubuntu Karmic and many of the applications dont work. For example, users-admin
[15:47] <baudsmk> I get the error: Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0
[15:47] <baudsmk> @baudsmoke:/usr/bin$ users-admin
[15:47] <baudsmk> No protocol specified
[15:47] <baudsmk> (users-admin:3015): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0
[15:50] <likemindead> I'm sure it'll be sorted out by Oct 29th, baudsmk, when the official final release is.
[15:50] <likemindead> Did you submint a bug report?
[15:50] <likemindead> !bug
[15:52] <baudsmk> If I have Windows XP and Xubuntu installed on the same hard disk but different partitions can Xubuntu access the Windows XP partition?
[15:55] <baudsmk> nm, I figured it out
[15:55] <baudsmk> sudo mount /dev/sda1 ./test
[15:56] <likemindead> !ntfs
[15:58] <baudsmk> I would like to access my cell phone via USB
[15:58] <baudsmk> it has a FAT file system
[16:00] <baudsmk> !NTFS-3g
[16:04] <baudsmk> Nothing in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ works
[16:16] <mhall119> I need some XFCE help
[16:16] <mhall119> is anyone in here familiar with the way Xubuntu starts XFCE?
[16:20] <Arty> Hi
[16:20] <Arty> I installed XFCE on my Ubuntu a few months ag
[16:20] <Arty> and it screwed up my login screen
[16:20] <Arty> now in login preferences, I can't change the theme of the login screen
[16:21] <Arty> does anybody know what is wrong?
[16:21] <Arty> The option to change the theme isn't there.
[16:21] <baudsmk> I am guessing something with gdm
[16:21] <Arty> It's not in gdmsetup
[16:22] <Arty> it's -supposed- to be apparently, but now it isn't
[16:22] <mhall119> is the option there, just disabled?
[16:22] <Arty> Well
[16:22] <Arty> In the window "Login Window Preferences"
[16:22] <Arty> and I click on the "Local" tab
[16:23] <Arty> and there's nothing about themes, but in the screenshots I see they are.
[16:23] <Arty> it's just Style, Background, Behaviour, logo, Menu Bar, and Welcome Message
[16:24] <Arty> nothing else.
[16:24] <Arty> Oh, nevermind
[16:24] <Arty> Figured it out, feel so stupid now
[16:25] <Arty> it's because i had the "Plain" style selected, not the "Themed" style
[16:29] <sco> hello?
[16:29] <baudsmk> hello
[16:29] <sco> hi
[16:29] <sco> i am a new xubuntu user. i came here for help
[16:30] <baudsmk> ok.
[16:30] <sco> i have installed the latest xubuntu stable version on my laptop
[16:31] <sco> all the hardware seems to be supported, but my volume wheel does not control the volume
[16:31] <sco> my laptop is a toshiba satellite a300
[16:31] <baudsmk> Your volume wheel needs software
[16:31] <baudsmk> give me a minute
[16:31] <sco> thank you
[16:40] <sco> are you still here, baudsmk?
[16:40] <baudsmk> YES
[16:40] <baudsmk> sorry, I thought you were in a diff channel
[16:40] <baudsmk> lol
[16:41] <sco> no worries. what can i do to fix this problem?
[16:42] <baudsmk> it will require some searching around on the web for the hot key support. Does your mute button work? ...other keys?
[16:42] <baudsmk> !bug
[16:43] <sco> according to the keybaord, pressing FN + ESC toggles mute
[16:43] <sco> but when i press it, nothing happens
[16:43] <sco> let me try my other hotkeys
[16:44] <sco> none of my FN hotkeys work
[16:45] <sco> they all work fine in windows. i guess windows came with the right software
[16:45] <baudsmk> some of the hotkeys can be changed. For example I set my Windows_Key+D to show my desktop. That was easy.  I forget the packages to install to do more elaborate shortcut keys
[16:46] <sco> how do i make WIN + D do show desktop? i miss that feature too
[16:47] <sco> right now i'm searching for toshiba linux hotkey support. thanks for your help so far. i guess i just didn't know what to look for
[16:48] <baudsmk> Im looking for it again, hang on
[16:48] <knome> sco, see Application -> Settings -> Keyboard -> Application Shortcuts
[16:48] <baudsmk> settings editor is another place to look
[16:48] <baudsmk> under keyboard-shortcuts
[16:49] <baudsmk> I think they call the Windows Key "<super>"
[16:49] <knome> yes, because the key is not a "windows" key in all keyboards, and imo shouldn't be in any kb
[16:51] <baudsmk> Under Settings --> Window Manager
[16:52] <sco> i am in Settings > Window Manager
[16:52] <sco> in the Keyboard tab there is a line that says "Show Desktop <ctrl><alt>D"
[16:54] <sco> well, i don't know how to changef it to "<super>D", but at least now i know there is another shortcut for it
[16:54] <baudsmk> not in my settings. Must be because I am using Karmic Koala I just installed it
[16:55] <baudsmk> double click it then press the keys you want to change it to
[16:56] <baudsmk> setting the keyboard is confusing
[16:56] <baudsmk> so many choices
[16:56] <baudsmk> too many keyboard tabs in difference places
[16:56] <sco> yeah, lol
[16:56] <sco> double-clicking the option doesn't seem to let me change it
[16:57] <sco> double clicking the line displays a wee window that tells me the mane of the shortcut and the keyboard command, but doesn't let me edit it
[16:58] <sco> it does let me 'clear' the shortcut, though. weird
[16:58] <baudsmk> in that wee window just type
[16:58] <sco> aha!
[16:58] <baudsmk> it is listening for you to set the key combination
[16:58] <sco> okay, it's set to "<super>d" now
[16:58] <sco> thanks, it works
[16:59] <sco> that window is confusing though. maybe it should explain itself better
[16:59] <baudsmk> I noticed even sudo /usr/bin/xfce4-settings-editor doesnt let you edit the settings lol
[16:59] <baudsmk> oh, I can Edit but not Add
[17:00] <sco> about the hotkey problem btw, i found something that might work
[17:00] <sco> some software called FnFX
[17:01] <sco> hasn't been updated since 2004, though
[17:01] <sco> and i have to install it manually, from source :(
[17:01] <baudsmk> did you install the programs hotkeys, hotkey-setup, and/or autokeys in the package manager?
[17:01] <sco> not unless they were preinstalled
[17:02] <baudsmk> install fnfxd from the package manager
[17:03] <sco> is that the one in Applications > System > Synaptic Package Manager?
[17:03] <baudsmk> yes
[17:04] <baudsmk> that is your all-in-one software super wizard with god like power
[17:04] <sco> hahaha
[17:04] <sco> i'm starting to warm to how linux manages its software
[17:05] <sco> windows equivalent of a package manager is only good for removing apps
[17:05] <sco> okay, fnfxd is installed
[17:05] <sco> but my mute key still does not work, or my volume wheel
[17:05] <baudsmk> it uninstalls the software that you must pay for.  Not a good thing or you wouldnt have paid for it
[17:05] <baudsmk> lo
[17:07] <baudsmk> sco, is it working yet?
[17:12] <sco> hello?
[17:13] <baudsmk> hello
[17:13] <baudsmk> I have an idea for you, create a new shortcut key command and when it listens move the volume wheel
[17:13] <sco> lol, my laptop crashed so unceremoniously
[17:14] <sco> the suspend hotkey does work. my laptop suspended, but when i tried to revive it, it froze with a black screen and the music was looping
[17:14] <sco> but apparently not all the hotkeys work. so let's try your new idea
[17:14] <baudsmk> aumix -v -2 works the lower the volume
[17:15] <baudsmk> sudo apt-get install aumix
[17:15] <sco> sweet, every time i type that in the console, the volume lowers itself
[17:15] <sco> i think aumix is already installed
[17:15] <sco> what is the increase volume command?
[17:16] <baudsmk> +2
[17:16] <sco> so -v is for volume and +-n is increment/decrement by n
[17:16] <baudsmk> yah, let me know if that works for you
[17:17] <sco> well, both the commands certainly work, but how do i bind them to something that is simple to use?
[17:17] <sco> what you said earlier?: "I have an idea for you, create a new shortcut key command and when it listens move the volume wheel"
[17:18] <sco> i will try that
[17:19] <baudsmk> after you attempt that I will attempt a sleep mode
[17:19] <sco> okay
[17:19] <baudsmk> I wnat to know if that works for you
[17:19] <sco> i will let you know if the volume wheel thingy works. i do it in the keyboard shortcuts menu item, right?
[17:20] <sco> yay! my volume wheel works now!
[17:20] <sco> thank you
[17:21] <sco> hang on, i am going to write a note for myself to remind how to do this
[17:29] <sco> okay, written up
[17:29] <sco> now you were going to help me set up the sleep button?
[17:42] <sco> thank you for the help i got here. i realise that baudsmk isn't here anymore, but i thank him anyway
[17:44] <sco> bye
[17:54] <rrmm> Does gigolo work for other people in 9.10? Mine will not open a file explorer, it tells me that the protocol is unsupported iirc, sorry not on my laptop right now.
[17:57] <rrmm> bbl on laptop to discuss this issue later :-D
[19:31] <slow-motion> hi
[20:22] <pingo-> hi
[20:46] <kunnu531> Hi, I am new to this channel and I need some help
[20:46] <kunnu531>  I have hardy 8.04 version
[20:46] <kunnu531> and when ever I log into KDE session I get an error client-error-bad-request CUPS server error
[20:47] <kunnu531> And this doesn't happen in Gnome
[20:47] <Sysi> ask #kubuntu
[20:47] <kunnu531> any ideas or suggestions please
[20:47] <kunnu531> ok thank you
[20:47] <Sysi> here we know about xfce
[20:48] <kunnu531> got you if I have any issues with NX can I ping in this channel ?
[20:48] <_Pete_> kunnu531: NX ? what is that?
[20:49] <Sysi> ask here, someone give ansver if anyone are present who know about that
[20:49] <kunnu531> It's an software used for connecting to linux machine from MAC or Windows
[20:50] <kunnu531> It's an Graphical interface
[20:50] <kunnu531> software
[20:50] <_Pete_> so, what is your problem?
[20:50] <kunnu531> I use this software for connecting to my linux machine from windows
[22:01] <nicklas_> yo
[23:09] <Alex001> Hi. I little new to Ubuntu/xubuntu. Could you please tell me the major difference between the two, if both have installed the Compiz-Fusion (which seems quite nice)?
[23:10] <Sysi> i didn't get compiz to work with xfwm, i need to install emerald
[23:10] <slow-motion> n8
[23:11] <Sysi> there are some effects available on xubuntu by default. but if you want compiz and have power to run that, get ubuntu
[23:11] <Alex001> Otherwise? Any super-good-reason too choose xubuntu?
[23:12] <Alex001> compared with ubuntu.
[23:12] <Sysi> if you like xfce, or you have little of RAM
[23:13] <Sysi> i just like xfce, i have gnome and kde also and this is the right for me
[23:14] <baudsmoke> I also use Xubuntu but I tried kde and I dont like it
[23:14] <baudsmoke> and I dont like Dolphin file manager
[23:14] <Alex001> On my wifes computer I installed the 8.04 xubuntu a long time ago. And the other day I just played around - installed compiz, activated hardware acceleration, installed a package with all necessary stuff for flash/sound etc. And I was amazed at not having any problems.
[23:15] <Alex001> So I was thinking about installing Ubuntu/Xubuntu on my machine too. (I have the W2008Srv. right now.)
[23:15] <Sysi> i had compiz but then i noticed it's not nice and put it off
[23:15] <Sysi> opacity is enough for me
[23:15] <Alex001> But. I read somewhere about speedincrease with xubuntu, compared to ubuntu.
[23:15] <Sysi> login is faster
[23:16] <Alex001> So the only difference is the window-manager?
[23:16] <Sysi> but if you're interested, install all desktop enviroments and see which you like the most
[23:16] <baudsmoke> Anyone know of a tool to convert avi to mp4 etc??
[23:17] <Alex001> Sysi: Install all, and then take them away? I don't wan't any rubbish left behind.
[23:17] <Sysi> it's still better than wondering and speculating
[23:18] <Sysi> i can't tell what you like
[23:18] <Alex001> Sysi: "but if you want compiz and have power to run that, get ubuntu". Did you write that because you didn't get compiz to work, or is there another reason?
[23:18] <baudsmoke> I am almost certain xfce will be your choice and 9.10 Karic Koala makes is really nice
[23:19] <baudsmoke> the derivitives are updated more often
[23:19] <Sysi> compix integrates better with gnome
[23:19] <Sysi> and it comes by default
[23:19] <Alex001> Sysi: Ah, okay.
[23:19] <baudsmoke> Xubuntu and Kubuntu have more updates and more bug fixes
[23:20]  * Sysi ♥ xfce
[23:20] <Alex001> baudsmoke: The "derivitives"?
[23:20] <Alex001> hehehe
[23:20] <Alex001> baudsmoke: You mean gnome/kde/etc?
[23:21] <Sysi> everything but gnome?
[23:21] <baudsmoke> I mean Xubuntu and Kubuntu are derivatives of Ubuntu
[23:21] <Alex001> Okay. Seems like 9.10 with xfce in two weeks then.
[23:22] <Alex001> baudsmoke: So they are updated more often? (!)
[23:22] <Alex001> Seems strange
[23:22] <Alex001> .
[23:22] <Sysi> i usually get daily build couple days before
[23:22] <Sysi> there won't be lot of updates still
[23:22] <Alex001> Any other differences? Or good reasons for Xubuntu?
[23:23] <baudsmoke> right. Software updates will come in quicker.  I suppose it is because the Ubuntu people are busy making the main distro
[23:23] <baudsmoke> http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/derivatives
[23:24] <Sysi> i think it's stupid that xubu and kubu are separated from main distro
[23:24] <Sysi> any other distro don't that
[23:24] <Sysi> * dont do
[23:25] <Sysi> sorry it's bit late here, i'm may not on my sharpest
[23:26] <baudsmoke> no doubt. Kubu is not even a recognized distro only has status of "supported"
[23:27] <baudsmoke> prolly because it sucks
[23:27] <baudsmoke> Have you tried Linux Mint yet? I have no blank cdr's but I want to try it out.
[23:27] <Sysi> usb-stick ♥
[23:28] <baudsmoke> I dont have.
[23:28] <baudsmoke> I tryed it install Xubuntu into Windows had it would not let me login with my password.
[23:28] <Sysi> wubi? that's evil
[23:29] <Sysi> lots of problems with that
[23:29] <baudsmoke> I also tried VirtualBox but I removed it I think I just had the video card memory at 4mb, I just have increased it to 30mb
[23:31] <baudsmoke> I'l try again this time In Linux
[23:31] <baudsmoke> I wanted to try FreeBSD
[23:32] <Sysi> i first try even half of hundreds of different linuxes :P
[23:33] <Alex001> Is there any difference in the programs being installed with Xubu?
[23:33] <Sysi> there are some differences
[23:33] <Alex001> If it's two different "companies"/communities doing ubuntu and xubuntu there should be more differences then the w-managers.
[23:34] <Sysi> xchat is by default but rhythmbox is replaced by some listen
[23:34] <Alex001> Or maybe I got the idea of Xubu/ubu wrong?
[23:34] <baudsmoke> and gedit, kedit, and mousepad
[23:34] <Alex001> aha.
[23:34] <Sysi> that's just what i said about nameing
[23:35] <Alex001> Did any of you see the article about the engineer at IBM who made a computer with Ubuntu start in 5 secs.?
[23:35] <Sysi> xubuntu could/should be more lightweight but it's not very much currently
[23:35] <Alex001> Sysi: Naming. Got your point!
[23:35] <Alex001> Ah, ok.
[23:36] <Sysi> bad english exists also..
[23:36] <baudsmoke> I just noticed there is an xedit program and it rocks
[23:36] <Sysi> i often use nano
[23:37] <Alex001> About the 5 sec boot. I was wondering how to really speed up the process. That article didn't say much about how to do it - but then, maybe IBM did some experimenting and doesn't want to tell how to do it.
[23:37] <Sysi> that's about how you measure it
[23:37] <Sysi> i've seen 6secs on bootchart with default ubuntu
[23:37] <baudsmoke> maybe just stripped it to the bones floppy disk size
[23:38] <Alex001> bootchart?
[23:38] <Alex001> Hmm... I understood it was with a w-manager running. I could be wrong.
[23:40] <Alex001> (I once installed a Pentium 4 with Win98. It booted around 30-35 secs. So it should be possible, if one leaves out the "junk". Then, maybe, the "junk" are necessare applications for security and the alike.)
[23:40] <baudsmoke> Windows 95 boots in 5 secs
[23:40] <Alex001> Sysi: Whats bootchart?
[23:41] <Alex001> Hehe. That's really nice!
[23:41] <baudsmoke> I used to run Windows 95 on a 75mhz Pentium 1 with 8-16mb of ram
[23:42] <Sysi> bootchart is program to measure boot time
[23:42] <Sysi> it's on repositories