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| LaserJock | jbicha: did you verify that our pre-depends issue is a problem in Debian? | 01:58 |
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| jbicha | LaserJock: um, not entirely since I don't have Debian installed but the source code looked the same | 01:59 |
| LaserJock | jbicha: it's good to actually test it | 02:00 |
| LaserJock | jbicha: even if it's in a chroot | 02:00 |
| LaserJock | historically Debian hasn't had the same issues with moodle that Ubuntu has had | 02:00 |
| LaserJock | so I wouldn't necessarily assume that it will behave the same | 02:00 |
| Rondom | sbalneav: try mupen64 plus | 02:25 |
| Rondom | sbalneav: it is not available as a package but pretty easy to install | 02:26 |
| jbicha | LaserJock: gdebi also works for that issue we had yesterday where I wanted to see if installing my package would pull in the appropriate dependencies, and it doesn't take 6 hours :-) | 02:28 |
| LaserJock | jbicha: yes! I totally forgot about gdebi | 02:29 |
| jbicha | LaserJock: I didn't remember that either until I was trying to go to sleep | 02:30 |
| Rondom | ah sorry | 02:39 |
| LaserJock | good grief, I found 28 Edubuntu support requests in my inbox :( | 02:40 |
| jsgotangco | yikes | 02:48 |
| jbicha | LaserJock: I verified both my bugs on Debian sid, I had to dpkg-reconfigure moodle to get moodle's database working | 03:05 |
| nubae | hi folkd | 03:06 |
| LaserJock | jbicha: k, good | 03:06 |
| nubae | or folks even | 03:06 |
| nubae | hmmm.... I just complained in the #telepathy channel that there is no #empathy channel which really really confuses new users | 03:07 |
| nubae | cause telepathy they dont actually interact with, yet its the channel name... and empathy which they do interact with, well... they go to #telepathy | 03:08 |
| nubae | they should all be redirected to #smoke-signals.... | 03:08 |
| LaserJock | werid | 03:08 |
| LaserJock | *weird | 03:08 |
| nubae | I tell u, this smells a little like the edubuntu naming debacle | 03:09 |
| nubae | and look how hard that was to get out of | 03:10 |
| nubae | jeez... I can forsee people using Pidgin just cause of that... | 03:10 |
| nubae | why must devs be so marketing unconscious | 03:11 |
| LaserJock | usually they have their reasons | 03:11 |
| LaserJock | but sometimes their reasons are a bit focused | 03:11 |
| jbicha | I can't bring myself to use empathy yet | 03:12 |
| nubae | focused? | 03:12 |
| nubae | jbicha, well, the problem is that its a marketing/naming mess | 03:13 |
| nubae | what in fact empathy is, no one really knows yet.... cause there are many parts to it... | 03:13 |
| jbicha | but at least empathy makes more sense than KDE's universal instant messenger Kopete | 03:13 |
| jbicha | Kopete hasn't supported IRC since KDE4, but the official development chat channel is on IRC | 03:14 |
| nubae | well, at least they both use telepathy as the comms framework | 03:14 |
| LaserJock | I like Kopete OK | 03:14 |
| LaserJock | I liked Konversation a lot for IRC | 03:14 |
| nubae | should support it just fine now... if it uses telepathy, just install telepathy-idle | 03:14 |
| LaserJock | but that's gone the way of the dinosaurs it seems | 03:14 |
| nubae | actually, that is one thing that empathy is quite nice at... guifying IRC | 03:15 |
| LaserJock | nubae: by focused I mean that quite often devs have reasons based on particular, focused, objectives | 03:15 |
| nubae | I mean... telepathy | 03:15 |
| nubae | :-/ | 03:15 |
| nubae | y seeeee.... | 03:15 |
| LaserJock | nubae: i.e. perhaps they don't want to split the community into telepathy and empathy | 03:16 |
| jbicha | nubae: I'm annoyed that empathy doesn't support the IRC / commands yet | 03:16 |
| LaserJock | yeah, that's a huge problem for me | 03:16 |
| nubae | jbicha, sure it does | 03:16 |
| nubae | apt-get install telepathy-haze | 03:16 |
| nubae | supports full set of irc commands | 03:16 |
| LaserJock | you sure? | 03:16 |
| nubae | yes | 03:17 |
| LaserJock | from within empathy? | 03:17 |
| nubae | yes | 03:17 |
| LaserJock | because I've never had the /join command work | 03:17 |
| sbalneav | Evening all | 03:17 |
| nubae | h,mm, /join is an official irc command?= | 03:17 |
| jbicha | nubae: doesn't work for me | 03:17 |
| nubae | I've never heard of it | 03:18 |
| nubae | oh wait... never mind, just slap me with a fish | 03:18 |
| * LaserJock needs to run, night all | 03:19 | |
| sbalneav | I haven't looked at empathy at all. | 03:20 |
| jbicha | nubae: Kopete still doesn't work with IRC, I'm using KDE 4.3.2 | 03:20 |
| nubae | oh this is new: http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/Protocols%20Support | 03:20 |
| nubae | jbicha, have you installed telepathy-idle? | 03:21 |
| jbicha | yes | 03:21 |
| nubae | sbalneav, unfortunately I've had to memorize the dbus api for work.... | 03:21 |
| nubae | but now that I know it... I'm pretty psyched | 03:22 |
| nubae | for example... I never quite understood the tubes concept | 03:22 |
| jbicha | nubae: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=167884 | 03:22 |
| nubae | and really its like this.... imagine y gave a program on computer A running... | 03:22 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 167884 in IRC Plugin "Please provide an IRC plugin in KDE 4" [Wishlist,Reopened] | 03:22 |
| nubae | and it has a nice bunch of dbus bindings (lots of cute methods and signals) | 03:23 |
| nubae | maybe something like tomboy remote control dbus bindings.... | 03:23 |
| nubae | and now say I have another computer B... running in Spain, for this scenario.... | 03:24 |
| nubae | this too has a program open with lots of dbus bindings (methods and signals) that make using it a blast | 03:24 |
| nubae | now... telepathy, creates a link between the 2 dbuses | 03:25 |
| nubae | and makes them 1 | 03:25 |
| nubae | so program A can use dbus bindings of program 2 | 03:25 |
| nubae | and vice versa | 03:25 |
| nubae | now imagine the possibilitities | 03:25 |
| nubae | its like p2p dbus | 03:26 |
| nubae | jbicha, might not be too hard to port | 03:27 |
| nubae | Im not really a kde user myself | 03:28 |
| nubae | but its probably something quite simple like linking to using the telepathy-idle library ofr irc support | 03:28 |
| jbicha | nubae: maybe, but the regression has existed for years | 03:29 |
| nubae | that just means no one has cared for years :-) | 03:29 |
| nubae | whats kopete written in? | 03:30 |
| nubae | c= | 03:30 |
| nubae | ? | 03:30 |
| jbicha | it's just weird that the developers have to use a different program to chat about the chat program they're working on | 03:30 |
| jbicha | C++ & QT | 03:30 |
| nubae | oh tab autocompletion in xchat would be nice..., not just for nicks | 03:31 |
| jbicha | bye for now | 03:31 |
| nubae | hmmm yeah | 03:31 |
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| LaserJock | jbicha: you're original email was fine to Debian | 21:24 |
| LaserJock | moodle-packaging@catalyst.net.nz is an older address that's being transitioned | 21:24 |
| jbicha | LaserJock: thanks, all this stuff is new to me | 21:24 |
| LaserJock | jbicha: np, I just happen to be on the list | 21:25 |
| LaserJock | sometimes I stick my nose where it doesn't belong and end up getting listed as Maintainer ;-) | 21:25 |
| jbicha | LaserJock: at least this work is more interesting than my real job for me, I just need to wait out my Navy contract and find a way to get paid to do this | 21:29 |
| LaserJock | heh | 21:30 |
| LaserJock | I know the feeling | 21:30 |
| jbicha | I have 3 more years | 21:30 |
| jbicha | LaserJock: for your quickly question, did you see the videos at http://www.youtube.com/ubuntudevelopers ? | 21:38 |
| LaserJock | I was just hoping to get info without watching the video | 21:39 |
| LaserJock | I wish people didn't rely on videos so much sometimes :-) | 21:39 |
| LaserJock | jbicha: what's the URL for your PPA? | 22:04 |
| jbicha | LaserJock: https://launchpad.net/~jbicha/+archive/ppa | 22:04 |
| LaserJock | k thanks | 22:06 |
| LaserJock | I'm going to try a few Jaunty->karmic upgrades with your moodle package | 22:06 |
| jbicha | I guess I was supposed to use this fancy ~ppa1 naming convention, maybe next time | 22:06 |
| LaserJock | jbicha: are you an Ubuntu Member? | 22:07 |
| jbicha | jbicha: well I don't have a @ubuntu.com email if that's what you mean | 22:07 |
| jbicha | LaserJock: I haven't contributed enough yet | 22:08 |
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