[01:58] <LaserJock> jbicha: did you verify that our pre-depends issue is a problem in Debian?
[01:59] <jbicha> LaserJock: um, not entirely since I don't have Debian installed but the source code looked the same
[02:00] <LaserJock> jbicha: it's good to actually test it
[02:00] <LaserJock> jbicha: even if it's in a chroot
[02:00] <LaserJock> historically Debian hasn't had the same issues with moodle that Ubuntu has had
[02:00] <LaserJock> so I wouldn't necessarily assume that it will behave the same
[02:25] <Rondom> sbalneav: try mupen64 plus
[02:26] <Rondom> sbalneav: it is not available as a package but pretty easy to install
[02:28] <jbicha> LaserJock: gdebi also works for that issue we had yesterday where I wanted to see if installing my package would pull in the appropriate dependencies, and it doesn't take 6 hours :-)
[02:29] <LaserJock> jbicha: yes! I totally forgot about gdebi
[02:30] <jbicha> LaserJock: I didn't remember that either until I was trying to go to sleep
[02:39] <Rondom> ah sorry
[02:40] <LaserJock> good grief, I found 28 Edubuntu support requests in my inbox :(
[02:48] <jsgotangco> yikes
[03:05] <jbicha> LaserJock: I verified both my bugs on Debian sid, I had to dpkg-reconfigure moodle to get moodle's database working
[03:06] <nubae> hi folkd
[03:06] <LaserJock> jbicha: k, good
[03:06] <nubae> or folks even
[03:07] <nubae> hmmm.... I just complained in the #telepathy channel that there is no #empathy channel which really really confuses new users
[03:08] <nubae> cause telepathy they dont actually interact with, yet its the channel name... and empathy which they do interact with, well... they go to #telepathy
[03:08] <nubae> they should all be redirected to #smoke-signals....
[03:08] <LaserJock> werid
[03:08] <LaserJock> *weird
[03:09] <nubae> I tell u, this smells a little like the edubuntu naming debacle
[03:10] <nubae> and look how hard that was to get out of
[03:10] <nubae> jeez... I can forsee people using Pidgin just cause of that...
[03:11] <nubae> why must devs be so marketing unconscious
[03:11] <LaserJock> usually they have their reasons
[03:11] <LaserJock> but sometimes their reasons are a bit focused
[03:12] <jbicha> I can't bring myself to use empathy yet
[03:12] <nubae> focused?
[03:13] <nubae> jbicha, well, the problem is that its a marketing/naming mess
[03:13] <nubae> what in fact empathy is, no one really knows yet.... cause there are many parts to it...
[03:13] <jbicha> but at least empathy makes more sense than KDE's universal instant messenger Kopete
[03:14] <jbicha> Kopete hasn't supported IRC since KDE4, but the official development chat channel is on IRC
[03:14] <nubae> well, at least they both use telepathy as the comms framework
[03:14] <LaserJock> I like Kopete OK
[03:14] <LaserJock> I liked Konversation a lot for IRC
[03:14] <nubae> should support it just fine now... if it uses telepathy, just install telepathy-idle
[03:14] <LaserJock> but that's gone the way of the dinosaurs it seems
[03:15] <nubae> actually, that is one thing that empathy is quite nice at... guifying IRC
[03:15] <LaserJock> nubae: by focused I mean that quite often devs have reasons based on particular, focused, objectives
[03:15] <nubae> I mean... telepathy
[03:15] <nubae> :-/
[03:15] <nubae> y seeeee....
[03:16] <LaserJock> nubae: i.e. perhaps they don't want to split the community into telepathy and empathy
[03:16] <jbicha> nubae: I'm annoyed that empathy doesn't support the IRC / commands yet
[03:16] <LaserJock> yeah, that's a huge problem for me
[03:16] <nubae> jbicha, sure it does
[03:16] <nubae> apt-get install telepathy-haze
[03:16] <nubae> supports full set of irc commands
[03:16] <LaserJock> you sure?
[03:17] <nubae> yes
[03:17] <LaserJock> from within empathy?
[03:17] <nubae> yes
[03:17] <LaserJock> because I've never had the /join command work
[03:17] <sbalneav> Evening all
[03:17] <nubae> h,mm, /join is an official irc command?=
[03:17] <jbicha> nubae: doesn't work for me
[03:18] <nubae> I've never heard of it
[03:18] <nubae> oh wait... never mind, just slap me with a fish
[03:19]  * LaserJock needs to run, night all
[03:20] <sbalneav> I haven't looked at empathy at all.
[03:20] <jbicha> nubae: Kopete still doesn't work with IRC, I'm using KDE 4.3.2
[03:20] <nubae> oh this is new: http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/Protocols%20Support
[03:21] <nubae> jbicha, have you installed telepathy-idle?
[03:21] <jbicha> yes
[03:21] <nubae> sbalneav, unfortunately I've had to memorize the dbus api for work....
[03:22] <nubae> but now that I know it... I'm pretty psyched
[03:22] <nubae> for example... I never quite understood the tubes concept
[03:22] <jbicha> nubae: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=167884
[03:22] <nubae> and really its like this.... imagine y gave a program on computer A running...
[03:23] <nubae> and it has a nice bunch of dbus bindings (lots of cute methods and signals)
[03:23] <nubae> maybe something like tomboy remote control dbus bindings....
[03:24] <nubae> and now say I have another computer B... running in Spain, for this scenario....
[03:24] <nubae> this too has a program open with lots of dbus bindings (methods and signals) that make using it a blast
[03:25] <nubae> now... telepathy, creates a link between the 2 dbuses
[03:25] <nubae> and makes them 1
[03:25] <nubae> so program A can use dbus bindings of program 2
[03:25] <nubae> and vice versa
[03:25] <nubae> now imagine the possibilitities
[03:26] <nubae> its like p2p dbus
[03:27] <nubae> jbicha, might not be too hard to port
[03:28] <nubae> Im not really a kde user myself
[03:28] <nubae> but its probably something quite simple like linking to using the telepathy-idle library ofr irc support
[03:29] <jbicha> nubae: maybe, but the regression has existed for years
[03:29] <nubae> that just means no one has cared for years :-)
[03:30] <nubae> whats kopete written in?
[03:30] <nubae> c=
[03:30] <nubae> ?
[03:30] <jbicha> it's just weird that the developers have to use a different program to chat about the chat program they're working on
[03:30] <jbicha> C++ & QT
[03:31] <nubae> oh tab autocompletion in xchat would be nice..., not just for nicks
[03:31] <jbicha> bye for now
[03:31] <nubae> hmmm yeah
[21:24] <LaserJock> jbicha: you're original email was fine to Debian
[21:24] <LaserJock> moodle-packaging@catalyst.net.nz is an older address that's being transitioned
[21:24] <jbicha> LaserJock: thanks, all this stuff is new to me
[21:25] <LaserJock> jbicha: np, I just happen to be on the list
[21:25] <LaserJock> sometimes I stick my nose where it doesn't belong and end up getting listed as Maintainer ;-)
[21:29] <jbicha> LaserJock: at least this work is more interesting than my real job for me, I just need to wait out my Navy contract and find a way to get paid to do this
[21:30] <LaserJock> heh
[21:30] <LaserJock> I know the feeling
[21:30] <jbicha> I have 3 more years
[21:38] <jbicha> LaserJock: for your quickly question, did you see the videos at http://www.youtube.com/ubuntudevelopers ?
[21:39] <LaserJock> I was just hoping to get info without watching the video
[21:39] <LaserJock> I wish people didn't rely on videos so much sometimes :-)
[22:04] <LaserJock> jbicha: what's the URL for your PPA?
[22:04] <jbicha> LaserJock: https://launchpad.net/~jbicha/+archive/ppa
[22:06] <LaserJock> k thanks
[22:06] <LaserJock> I'm going to try a few Jaunty->karmic upgrades with your moodle package
[22:06] <jbicha> I guess I was supposed to use this fancy ~ppa1 naming convention, maybe next time
[22:07] <LaserJock> jbicha: are you an Ubuntu Member?
[22:07] <jbicha> jbicha: well I don't have a @ubuntu.com email if that's what you mean
[22:08] <jbicha> LaserJock: I haven't contributed enough yet