=== dgroos___ is now known as dgroos [01:58] jbicha: did you verify that our pre-depends issue is a problem in Debian? [01:59] LaserJock: um, not entirely since I don't have Debian installed but the source code looked the same [02:00] jbicha: it's good to actually test it [02:00] jbicha: even if it's in a chroot [02:00] historically Debian hasn't had the same issues with moodle that Ubuntu has had [02:00] so I wouldn't necessarily assume that it will behave the same [02:25] sbalneav: try mupen64 plus [02:26] sbalneav: it is not available as a package but pretty easy to install [02:28] LaserJock: gdebi also works for that issue we had yesterday where I wanted to see if installing my package would pull in the appropriate dependencies, and it doesn't take 6 hours :-) [02:29] jbicha: yes! I totally forgot about gdebi [02:30] LaserJock: I didn't remember that either until I was trying to go to sleep [02:39] ah sorry [02:40] good grief, I found 28 Edubuntu support requests in my inbox :( [02:48] yikes [03:05] LaserJock: I verified both my bugs on Debian sid, I had to dpkg-reconfigure moodle to get moodle's database working [03:06] hi folkd [03:06] jbicha: k, good [03:06] or folks even [03:07] hmmm.... I just complained in the #telepathy channel that there is no #empathy channel which really really confuses new users [03:08] cause telepathy they dont actually interact with, yet its the channel name... and empathy which they do interact with, well... they go to #telepathy [03:08] they should all be redirected to #smoke-signals.... [03:08] werid [03:08] *weird [03:09] I tell u, this smells a little like the edubuntu naming debacle [03:10] and look how hard that was to get out of [03:10] jeez... I can forsee people using Pidgin just cause of that... [03:11] why must devs be so marketing unconscious [03:11] usually they have their reasons [03:11] but sometimes their reasons are a bit focused [03:12] I can't bring myself to use empathy yet [03:12] focused? [03:13] jbicha, well, the problem is that its a marketing/naming mess [03:13] what in fact empathy is, no one really knows yet.... cause there are many parts to it... [03:13] but at least empathy makes more sense than KDE's universal instant messenger Kopete [03:14] Kopete hasn't supported IRC since KDE4, but the official development chat channel is on IRC [03:14] well, at least they both use telepathy as the comms framework [03:14] I like Kopete OK [03:14] I liked Konversation a lot for IRC [03:14] should support it just fine now... if it uses telepathy, just install telepathy-idle [03:14] but that's gone the way of the dinosaurs it seems [03:15] actually, that is one thing that empathy is quite nice at... guifying IRC [03:15] nubae: by focused I mean that quite often devs have reasons based on particular, focused, objectives [03:15] I mean... telepathy [03:15] :-/ [03:15] y seeeee.... [03:16] nubae: i.e. perhaps they don't want to split the community into telepathy and empathy [03:16] nubae: I'm annoyed that empathy doesn't support the IRC / commands yet [03:16] yeah, that's a huge problem for me [03:16] jbicha, sure it does [03:16] apt-get install telepathy-haze [03:16] supports full set of irc commands [03:16] you sure? [03:17] yes [03:17] from within empathy? [03:17] yes [03:17] because I've never had the /join command work [03:17] Evening all [03:17] h,mm, /join is an official irc command?= [03:17] nubae: doesn't work for me [03:18] I've never heard of it [03:18] oh wait... never mind, just slap me with a fish [03:19] * LaserJock needs to run, night all [03:20] I haven't looked at empathy at all. [03:20] nubae: Kopete still doesn't work with IRC, I'm using KDE 4.3.2 [03:20] oh this is new: http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/Protocols%20Support [03:21] jbicha, have you installed telepathy-idle? [03:21] yes [03:21] sbalneav, unfortunately I've had to memorize the dbus api for work.... [03:22] but now that I know it... I'm pretty psyched [03:22] for example... I never quite understood the tubes concept [03:22] nubae: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=167884 [03:22] and really its like this.... imagine y gave a program on computer A running... [03:22] KDE bug 167884 in IRC Plugin "Please provide an IRC plugin in KDE 4" [Wishlist,Reopened] [03:23] and it has a nice bunch of dbus bindings (lots of cute methods and signals) [03:23] maybe something like tomboy remote control dbus bindings.... [03:24] and now say I have another computer B... running in Spain, for this scenario.... [03:24] this too has a program open with lots of dbus bindings (methods and signals) that make using it a blast [03:25] now... telepathy, creates a link between the 2 dbuses [03:25] and makes them 1 [03:25] so program A can use dbus bindings of program 2 [03:25] and vice versa [03:25] now imagine the possibilitities [03:26] its like p2p dbus [03:27] jbicha, might not be too hard to port [03:28] Im not really a kde user myself [03:28] but its probably something quite simple like linking to using the telepathy-idle library ofr irc support [03:29] nubae: maybe, but the regression has existed for years [03:29] that just means no one has cared for years :-) [03:30] whats kopete written in? [03:30] c= [03:30] ? [03:30] it's just weird that the developers have to use a different program to chat about the chat program they're working on [03:30] C++ & QT [03:31] oh tab autocompletion in xchat would be nice..., not just for nicks [03:31] bye for now [03:31] hmmm yeah === vorian_ is now known as vorian [21:24] jbicha: you're original email was fine to Debian [21:24] moodle-packaging@catalyst.net.nz is an older address that's being transitioned [21:24] LaserJock: thanks, all this stuff is new to me [21:25] jbicha: np, I just happen to be on the list [21:25] sometimes I stick my nose where it doesn't belong and end up getting listed as Maintainer ;-) [21:29] LaserJock: at least this work is more interesting than my real job for me, I just need to wait out my Navy contract and find a way to get paid to do this [21:30] heh [21:30] I know the feeling [21:30] I have 3 more years [21:38] LaserJock: for your quickly question, did you see the videos at http://www.youtube.com/ubuntudevelopers ? [21:39] I was just hoping to get info without watching the video [21:39] I wish people didn't rely on videos so much sometimes :-) [22:04] jbicha: what's the URL for your PPA? [22:04] LaserJock: https://launchpad.net/~jbicha/+archive/ppa [22:06] k thanks [22:06] I'm going to try a few Jaunty->karmic upgrades with your moodle package [22:06] I guess I was supposed to use this fancy ~ppa1 naming convention, maybe next time [22:07] jbicha: are you an Ubuntu Member? [22:07] jbicha: well I don't have a @ubuntu.com email if that's what you mean [22:08] LaserJock: I haven't contributed enough yet