[00:00] <whit> CShadowRun: I am using a ATI card.
[00:00] <CShadowRun> hmm
[00:00] <CShadowRun> i'll install karmic on my laptop tommorow and see if i can replicate
[00:00] <whit> CShadowRun:cool
[00:07] <Han> linux-headers-2.6.31-14-generic-pae is a missing dependency for the nvidia package
[00:12] <dotblank> hmm
[00:13] <dotblank> so 9.10 is awesome... just installed blueman conencted to the dial up service and then it detected the mobile broadband card... it all seems to work perfectly
[00:15] <Andphe> penguin42: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-disk-utility/+bug/454301
[00:16] <dotblank> ok some serious stability issues with the nvidia driver
[00:16] <penguin42> Andphe: Hopefully someone will fix it
[00:17] <Andphe> ok
[00:17] <Andphe> penguin42: thanks a lot for your help
[00:17] <penguin42> Andphe: No problem
[00:25] <Kaj> dor
[00:25] <Kaj> dotblank, which card?
[00:30] <odin-foo> Question: gdm starting the X server but failing to start itself; anyone have a clue why the fuck?
[00:31] <davisc> Nothing in logs?
[00:32] <odin-foo> X logs are fine, and X is in fact running decently. gdm logs complain 'X is already running on screen :0'.
[00:32] <odin-foo> And Upstart apparently doesn't think gdm has started, even right after I say 'start gdm'.
[00:33] <odin-foo> startx, on the other hand, throws GNOME up beautifully.
[00:34] <davisc> Clean install of Karmic or upgrade?
[00:34] <odin-foo> Clean install.
[00:37] <odin-foo> If it might matter, clean alternative install, as the LiveCD chose a fucked up driver for X, resulting in an inability to install through the graphical interface.
[00:54] <joseantoniordlmc> hello how can i configure a IR remote
[00:55] <joseantoniordlmc> hello how can i configure a IR remote
[01:00] <Lenin_Cat> cary@cary-desktop-linux:~$ sudo apt-get install alsa_utils
[01:00] <Lenin_Cat> [sudo] password for cary:
[01:00] <Lenin_Cat> Reading package lists... Done
[01:00] <Lenin_Cat> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[01:00] <Lenin_Cat> what do I do?
[01:01] <penguin42> that really shouldn't happen
[01:02] <penguin42> I assume aptitude install alsa_utils does the same?
[01:02]  * davisc suspects a python problem
[01:03] <Lenin_Cat> penguin42, yes
[01:04] <Lenin_Cat> penguin42, fresh install?
[01:04] <penguin42> Lenin_Cat: I wonder if there's an updated apt-get or the like to get first?
[01:04] <penguin42> I guess so, it really shouldn't get that screwed though
[01:05] <Lenin_Cat> all I did was upgrade to karmic
[01:05] <Lenin_Cat> :<
[01:06] <ripps> Lenin_Cat: segfaults occur with apt occasionally, usually when there's been an update. First thing, try reboot, sometimes new libs don't get passed into memory properly.
[01:07] <penguin42> ripps: That should NEVER happen for something as simple as apt
[01:07] <penguin42> ripps: Old libs should never hang around for a new process
[01:08] <ripps> Lenin_Cat penguin42: Second, sometimes it just isn't installed correctly (happens to me all the time) just goto /var/cache/apt/archives/ and dpkg -i the apt package manually. This always tends to work for me.
[01:08] <Lenin_Cat> ripps, I rebooted like 4x
[01:08] <Lenin_Cat> :<
[01:09] <Lenin_Cat> ripps, what is the name of the apt-get package?
[01:10] <ripps> Lenin_Cat: mine is apt_0.7.23.1ubuntu2_i386.deb
[01:11] <dotblank3> anyone getting artifacts with the nvidia drivers?
[01:11] <bjsnider> dotblank, yes, mine pointed me to the ark of the covenant today
[01:12] <bjsnider> it was quite surprising
[01:12] <ripps> bjsnider: don't open it!
[01:12] <rob0> snakes?
[01:12] <bjsnider> i mean it's just a graphics card. whoda thunk it?
[01:12]  * dotblank3 sighs
[01:12] <Lenin_Cat> lets count how long it takes for me to fix the mess the upgrade did?
[01:12] <Lenin_Cat> and....
[01:12] <Lenin_Cat> GO
[01:13] <Lenin_Cat> aptitude: error while loading shared libraries: libapt-pkg-l
[01:13] <Lenin_Cat> not open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:13] <Lenin_Cat> there we are
[01:13] <penguin42> Lenin_Cat: What happened - did it crash during the upgrade?
[01:13] <Lenin_Cat> yah
[01:14] <penguin42> ah
[01:14] <Lenin_Cat> what do I do?
[01:14] <dotblank3> wow... regular xchat is immensely better then the gnome one
[01:15] <penguin42> if it actually crashed during the upgrade it could be in a hell of a mess (interestingly it crashed during the upgrade from last week for me - and that's very very rare here)
[01:15] <Lenin_Cat> so should I just do a clean install>
[01:16] <penguin42> if you can it's probably best
[01:16] <dotblank3> have a seperate /home allowed to just upgrade and overwrite my 9.04 and now it works perfectly except for that nvidia driver
[01:16] <ripps> Lenin_Cat: there is no libapt-pkg-l, there is libapt-pkg-libc6.10-6.so.4.8, it's supplied by the apt package. It should have been installed when manually installing the apt package with dpkg
[01:17] <Lenin_Cat> ripps, well to be honest, I cant
[01:17] <Lenin_Cat> unetbootin isnt working right
[01:18] <Lenin_Cat> and I have no blank cd's left
[01:18] <Lenin_Cat> and no flash
[01:19] <penguin42> Lenin_Cat: If you're really desperate you could try reinstalling each of the packages apt depends on via the files off cd; you might be able to recover it - but it sounds like one hell of a mess
[01:19] <ripps> Lenin_Cat: rule one when upgrading any software, make backups and prepare for catastrophic failure.
[01:19] <Lenin_Cat> rule one when dealing with Lenin_Cat: prepare for failure
[01:19] <ripps> it would have been smart to have a livecd in case something went wrong
[01:20] <Lenin_Cat> fuck it, ill use lubi later.
[01:25] <ripps> meh, I managed to salvage a botched alternate install. Nothing was installed except a base install. All I had was a commandline. I manually installed the apt files and then installed the ubuntu-minimal ubuntu-standard and ubuntu-desktop packages, along with a bunch of other packages before I managed to get it working.
[01:26] <penguin42> ripps: Yeh if you have a solid minimal install it's not too bad
[01:27] <Lenin_Cat> im to tired
[01:37] <Lenin_Cat> Waiting for sound system to respond
[01:40] <konam> does somebody knows if we will get the updated version of eclipse on ubuntu 9.10?
[01:47] <lotia> hello all. if i am running the dialies of karmic, will it present the opportunity to upgrade to the final version when it is released?
[01:52] <ripps> konam: here's a tip, if you want to see what version of a package any distro of ubuntu has use `rmadison -S <package_name>`
[01:53] <ripps> it appears karmic uses 3.5.1
[01:57] <bluefox83> ok, i need help from one of the more experienced folks in here, how do i grant access to d-bus to a single application?
[02:01] <durt> lotia, a simple update will get you to the final version.
[02:02] <joseantoniordlmc> hello i have problems with video audio does anyone knows how to fix it
[02:02] <durt> joseantoniordlmc, you need to be more detailed in your question
[02:03] <joseantoniordlmc> when i play a video the audio has problems
[02:03] <joseantoniordlmc> it pauses
[02:04] <durt> what app? what file type?
[02:04] <durt> your using 9.10?
[02:04] <joseantoniordlmc> yes
[02:05] <joseantoniordlmc> i use vlc the filetype is avi but mp4 has the same problem
[02:05] <bluefox83> durt: who are you talking to >.>
[02:05] <lotia> durt: thanks.
[02:05] <lotia> so once the final version gets released it will start running it upon updating
[02:05] <bluefox83> i'm using 9.10 x64, i *finally* got googlel gadgets to launch, but it's being denied access to dbus
[02:05] <bluefox83> *google
[02:06] <durt> bluefox83, obviously joseantoniordlmc
[02:06] <bluefox83> oh >.>
[02:06] <durt> bluefox83, uh, that wasn't meant to be snarky
[02:07] <bluefox83> s'ok
[02:10] <joseantoniordlmc> i think it might be the codecs that i installed
[02:10] <joseantoniordlmc> how do i know if they are for karmic
[02:16] <nemo> Say guys, let's say we release a piece of software tomorrow
[02:16] <nemo> Can that newly released version become the Karmic default?
[02:16] <nemo> instead of the prior version?
[02:17] <nemo> would just be easier than telling people to go to getdeb
[02:17] <JanC> nemo: unlikely
[02:18] <JanC> unless you're talking about a bugfix for an existing default
[02:18] <JanC> (and an easy bugfix at that)
[02:20] <nemo> JanC: shame
[02:20] <nemo> oh well. can always put a message in the lobby explaining to people why they don't see any games :)
[02:20] <discord> audio is not comming out of my laptop speaker but is comming out of the headphone jack, does anybody know a fix? It's intel HDA
[02:21] <JanC> the exact procedure is on the wiki somewhere, but first of all, you'd need to write a detailed report of what gets fixed and what breaks by using it
[02:22] <discord> JanC, is that to me?
[02:22] <JanC> discord: no, to nemo  ;)
[02:22] <yoasif> im having a weird issue with pidgin -- switching conversation tabs makes the app stop responding (the window goes gray) and comes back after like 30 seconds
[02:22] <yoasif> anyone seeing anything similar?
[02:22] <arrrghhh> so does anyone use paprefs?
[02:24] <dthacker> is there a kubuntu+1?
[02:24] <arrrghhh> i believe there is dthacker.  as i recall, not as busy as this room (same goes for #ubuntu and #kubuntu...)
[02:25] <rob0> I think they have trouble with arithmetic.
[02:25] <dthacker> the join command for kubuntu+1 brings me here.   oh well.
[02:31] <nemo> JanC: well. is just a new release, so while it fixes a bunch of bugs, the key point is incompatible net play w/ prior version
[02:32] <JanC> nemo: not up to me to decide, but I guess your chances are very small
[02:33] <JanC> anyway, /me goes to bed
[02:38] <ripps> nemo: just make make ppa with updated packages and advertise it from your site
[02:41] <arrrghhh> so no one uses paprefs?
[02:42] <ripps> arrrghhh: no, not really. why do you need it?
[02:42] <arrrghhh> ripps, well there's probably a way to configure what i need w/o it... i want to enable network audio.
[02:43] <ripps> arrrghhh: well, my paprefs seems to work fine
[02:43] <arrrghhh> installing that package made it really easy.  i don't have it installed, and when i try to install it, says there's no candidate version...
[02:44] <ripps> arrrghhh: mine was bundled in when i installed paman
[02:44] <arrrghhh> i think i tried that one... one sec.
[02:45] <ripps> according to apt-cache, 0.9.8+git20090825-0ubuntu2 is available in the karmic repos
[02:45] <ripps> Have you tried a different source mirror?
[02:45] <arrrghhh> grrrr... i'm updating.  pls hold :D
[02:46] <arrrghhh> i'm using archive.ubuntu.com
[02:46] <arrrghhh> and i tried the "best" one from pingtimes
[02:46] <ripps> *shrugs* I'm using the main servero
[02:46] <arrrghhh> and i tried one other... some .edu one.
[02:46] <arrrghhh> i should untick the source updates.  i don't really need those.
[02:50] <arrrghhh> jeez i didn't realize i was that out-of-date.  i guess that's what i get for running something that's beta!
[02:53] <nemo> ripps: yeah. end up doing something like that, just means a lot of explaining to people who wander by the package
[02:53] <nemo> ripps: was hoping to avoid that this time
[02:53] <nemo> given how close we were to same release time
[02:54] <MindSpark> hi, I am using karmic and I have been having trouble since jaunty with the intel driver, to cut a long story short, here's the link to what I am facing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Freeze#How%20to%20Get%20a%20Batchbuffer%20Dump%20%28-intel%20only%29
[02:54] <bluefox83> i need help with dbus
[02:54] <bluefox83> any takers?
[02:54] <MindSpark> but my problem is that since the 2.6.28 kernel, I have been having trouble getting ubuntu start with vesa to just bypass the entire intel story
[02:54] <MindSpark> the system hangs, any ideas ?
[02:55] <MindSpark> takers ?
[02:55] <MindSpark> giver here
[03:00] <dooglus> hey people
[03:01] <dooglus> I just updated a 9.04 to a 9.10, and now the pidgin "libnotify popups" are corrupted
[03:01] <dooglus> instead of being a little bubble with the content of newly received messages in them,
[03:01] <dooglus> I get a little bubble with a random tartan design in
[03:01] <dooglus> or a picture of some graph paper
[03:02] <dooglus> kind of a checkered pattern, of varying colours and designs
[03:04] <Lenin_Cat> dooglus, is it pritty?
[03:06] <dooglus> Lenin_Cat: it's beautiful
[03:06] <dooglus> Lenin_Cat: but I don't want beauty, I want functional
[03:06] <Lenin_Cat> :P
[03:06] <dooglus> I'm trying an apt-get install --reinstall on everything with 'notify' in its name
[03:07] <dooglus> like I'm a windows user or something
[03:07] <dooglus> but the thing is, the power cord was pulled out during the update,
[03:07] <dooglus> so maybe it'll help
[03:09] <dooglus> it didn't...
[03:09] <richardcavell> How's Karmic going, people?  I uninstalled it around alpha 5
[03:09] <dooglus> richardcavell: it works better if you leave it installed, I can tell you that much
[03:09] <stpere> dooglus: that's debatable :)
[03:10] <richardcavell> dooglus: I thought it would be something like that.
[03:10] <dooglus> richardcavell: it works okish
[03:10] <richardcavell> dooglus: seriously, though, when they moved the popup notification window to the middle of the right hand side I just spat the dummy.
[03:10] <bjsnider> richardcavell, it is sin-sational
[03:10] <dooglus> richardcavell: but there are 10 days until release.  I'm sure that's more than enough time to fix all the remaining bugs ;)
[03:10] <richardcavell> I filed it as a bug and lots of people piled on, and the response from the developers was "it's not a bug, it's a feature"
[03:11] <dooglus> the middle?  it's in the top right
[03:11] <richardcavell> dooglus: it was moved to the middle right about alpha 5
[03:11] <dooglus> I didn't install until the beta
[03:11] <dooglus> and it's top right for me
[03:12] <dooglus> what else makes a notification other than pidgin?
[03:12] <dooglus> I'm having a problem with it and wanna find a non-pidgin notification to test it on
[03:13] <virtuald> notify-send in libnotify-bin
[03:13] <dooglus> k
[03:13] <brian_> i have a weird bug im trying to install a java thing but when it says hit y to install n to abort if i hit y it will abort
[03:14] <virtuald> empathy also sends notifications. and i think network manager
[03:14] <virtuald> the volume control on my keyboard does
[03:15] <brian_> Need to get 39.0MB of archives.
[03:16] <brian_> After this operation, 51.2MB of additional disk space will be used.
[03:16] <brian_> Do you want to continue [Y/n]? Y
[03:16] <brian_> Abort.
[03:16] <brian_> why woulod it do that
[03:17] <virtuald> maybe you typed something like space after y. or it's just stupid and only accepts y in lower case. try just hitting enter
[03:17] <dooglus> notify-send also produces tartan patterns
[03:17] <dooglus> but the same one every time
[03:17] <the_dark_warrio> I'm installing Ubuntu beta and my /home partition is in Ext3. Is it possible to transform it into Ext4 without losing the files in it?
[03:18] <brian_> ya i just hit enter and it worked
[03:18] <brian_> weird
[03:18] <dooglus> I set my home up to be encrypted when I installed 9.10.  is it possible to share a folder in there using samba?  the samba daemon fails to open the folder because /home/me has drwx------ perms
[03:22] <coz_> hey guys..I noticed  this white ubuntu symbol that just sits there while bootin unless I dsable "quiet splash"   tell me that is going to change? :)
[03:23] <richardcavell> the_dark_warrio: yes
[03:23] <richardcavell> the_dark_warrio: don't let the installer format it though
[03:24] <nick125> How long does it take from a new package being pushed until the changelog is available on changelogs.ubuntu.com?
[03:24] <the_dark_warrio> richardcavell: Hmm, it seems he won't let me not format
[03:25] <richardcavell> the_dark_warrio: leave it then
[03:25] <the_dark_warrio> richardcavell: I'm resizing the partition and creating a new one ;)
[03:25] <richardcavell> yep, good idea
[03:26] <brian_> empathy will crash if i click on another person to open a tab for another conversation
[03:30] <jbuncher> can anyone point me to where some network-manager devs might be, so I can prod/ask about Bug 449888?
[03:32] <CPrgmSwR2> Hi
[03:33] <lucas_> hey  guys, i cant open chm... ive tried kdechmviewer but it open the chm and dont show me much of it it says something about ms-its... no idea whats wrong
[03:35] <CPrgmSwR2> Can I get some help with getting sound working
[03:37] <lucas_> CPrgmSwR2: install pulseaudio
[03:38] <GuidMorrow> hey, when Karmic does get released, how do I update the operating system
[03:38] <lucas_> GuidMorrow: update-manager -d
[03:39] <GuidMorrow> ok thanks
[03:39] <jdsbluedevl> Hi, I had reported a bug a few days ago regarding the sound system going screwy.  It was fixed a day later, but then yesterday it broke again.  Is anyone else having problems with the sound system, specifically alsa-base?
[03:40] <jdsbluedevl> bug is #451900
[03:41] <CPrgmSwR2> jdsbluedevl: I am having problems with sound here
[03:42] <jdsbluedevl> CPrgmSwR2: are you having problems in alsamixer as well?
[03:42] <CPrgmSwR2> jdsbluedevl: I can run alsamixer just fine
[03:43] <jdsbluedevl> CPrghSwR2: so can I, but when I try to increase the volume, the master volume resets
[03:43] <CPrgmSwR2> jdsbluedevl: I don't have that issue
[03:43] <jdsbluedevl> hmm
[03:44] <ikus060> Hi all, I've been experiencing a strange problem since the last upgrade. Is there a way to downgrade the my last update ??
[03:44] <russlar> ikus060: backups?
[03:45] <ikus060> russlar, surely no, I don't do a backup before every update. Are you ?
[03:47] <russlar> I update once a week, right after I take a clonzilla dump
[03:47] <russlar> but then, I'm also not runnign the beta
[03:48] <ikus060> russlar, weel you're the first guys I met who actually do a backup before an update
[03:48] <ikus060> *well
[03:48] <CPrgmSwR2> I have no sound even from command line
[03:49] <russlar> CPrgmSwR2: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[03:49] <russlar> CPrgmSwR2: that should give you something
[03:49] <CPrgmSwR2> russlar: nothing
[03:50] <Leftmost> NetworkManager has just recently stopped managing my wired network device, which means that if I plug into a wired network and then switch to a wireless network, my resolv.conf has spurious entries in it. How can I fix this?
[03:50] <CPrgmSwR2> this is on kubuntu 9.10
[03:50] <CPrgmSwR2> I had sound working on 9.04
[03:52] <russlar> CPrgmSwR2: what sound hardware do you have?
[03:54] <arrrghhh> is there anyway to get my headless music box to authenticate wirelessly automatically?  i have it login automatically, but it asks for a keyring password to connect to the wifi...
[03:55] <MightyTweek> hey all. I just did an update on my laptop running Karmic, and when it rebooted I got the message that my filesystem needed to be checked and dropped me to a maintenance shell. I did an fsck and it found a whole bunch of crosslinked files. I let it try and repair everything but it looks like my installation is hosed. Is it worth trying to get any info about what happened before I nuke and reinstall?
[03:55] <russlar> MightyTweek: what fs were you running, and which partition did it fsck?
[03:56] <MightyTweek> russlar: ext3, and it was my root partition on /dev/sda6
[03:57] <MightyTweek> I have my /home on a separate partition, also ext3
[03:57] <russlar> and / is completely hosed?
[03:59] <MightyTweek> it still kinda boots... I can boot the prev. kernel into recovery mode, but when I try and do a dpkg --configure -a, for example, I get an error because /var/lib/dpkg/status has gotten mangled
[04:00] <russlar> MightyTweek: sounds hosed to me
[04:00] <russlar> MightyTweek: could it be the hardware?
[04:00] <MightyTweek> russlar: I wondered that myself, ran the diag from my HD manufacturer and it came back clean
[04:01] <haven489> can anyone tell me how to install suse beside windows XP?
[04:01] <maco> haven489: #suse
[04:02] <russlar> MightyTweek: do you have another disk you can boot to?
[04:04] <MightyTweek> I've got XP on another partition, I haven't tried booting into it yet
[04:05] <russlar> MightyTweek: another linux disk?
[04:05] <MightyTweek> russlar: afraid not. I could burn a livecd, that's about it
[04:06] <MightyTweek> or a usb key...
[04:06] <russlar> hrm... well there are great hard drive diagnostics for windows, too
[04:07] <oorah> i noticed in beta i can't play dvd's with vlc
[04:07] <MightyTweek> russlar: do you still think it could be a hardware problem? I was kinda leaning more towards a kernel bug or something
[04:07] <russlar> that would be a nasty bug
[04:07] <russlar> like june bug sized
[04:09] <MightyTweek> yeah, you're probably right
[04:09] <oorah> is dvd playback problems an issue thats normal right now?
[04:09] <russlar> if the kernel eats an ext3 filesystem, that's a serious problem
[04:09] <russlar> probably the fs got hosed by something
[04:11] <MightyTweek> guess I'll reinstall from scratch and see if I can break it again :D
[04:12] <russlar> hooray beta!
[04:13] <oorah> how do i get dvd's playing in beta?
[04:13] <oorah> this is the buggiest beta i've ever used
[04:13] <russlar> oorah: i dunno, gmail's beta was pretty bad, too
[04:14] <oorah> russlar, i meant ubuntu
[04:14] <russlar> i know
[04:14] <oorah> if i can't even play dvd's thats more like early alpha lol
[04:14] <MightyTweek> heh
[04:14] <ikus060> Here a screenshot of what I experience since the last updgrade in Ubuntu karmic : http://imagebin.ca/view/3sExIBK.html The printed character are .. weird
[04:14] <oorah> i might not even upgrade later
[04:15] <CPrgmSwR2> russlar: are you still here
[04:15] <russlar> CPrgmSwR2: yup. ikus060: say hi to mars for me ;)
[04:15] <stpere> I hate how it fails to shutdown cleanly almost everytime
[04:15] <ikus060> ??
[04:16] <ikus060> .. and what should I understand from that ? :S
[04:16] <CPrgmSwR2> russlar: I have Nividia corporation MCP67 High Definition Audio card
[04:16] <ryanprior> Hi there. When I boot into karmic and try to connect to my wireless network, NetworkManager doesn't let me put in a passphrase. I can see wireless networks but I can't join them. Is there something I can do?
[04:16] <russlar> I think I have the same....
[04:16] <russlar> nope, I have the mcp61
[04:17] <CPrgmSwR2> russlar: it worked with kubuntu 9.04
[04:17] <oorah> can anyone play dvd's in beta right now?
[04:17] <russlar> yeah, I'm using mine is 9.04 right now...
[04:17] <CPrgmSwR2> russlar: I am on 9.10 and mine does not work
[04:17] <oorah> russlar, i said beta lol as in 9.10 beta
[04:17] <stpere> oorah: I don't have DVD to test, sorry
[04:17] <russlar> CPrgmSwR2: anything on /var/log/messages?
[04:18] <russlar> cat /var/log/messages | grep -i MCP67
[04:19] <russlar> CPrgmSwR2: also try lsmod | grep snd
[04:19] <CPrgmSwR2> there is a lot in lsmod
[04:19] <MightyTweek> russlar: here's something interesting... in my syslog, the date jumps from Oct 17 to Oct 18 in the middle of the file... i.e. the timestamp on one event is Oct 17 16:02:01 and the next one is Oct 18 16:03:29. What do you make of that? It's right around when I rebooted I think... then later in the file ntpdate sets it back. Related possibly?
[04:19] <russlar> even grepping for snd?
[04:19] <CPrgmSwR2> yes
[04:20] <russlar> MightyTweek: that's suspicious....
[04:20] <oorah> is dvd playback going to get fixed eventually?
[04:20] <russlar> oorah: I'm sure it will when released
[04:20] <CPrgmSwR2> russlar: http://paste.ubuntu.com/295864/
[04:20] <russlar> medibuntu probably hasn't moved their packages yet
[04:21] <stpere> huh
[04:21] <russlar> CPrgmSwR2: ok, well at least the kernel is loading the sound modules
[04:22] <oorah> i've never had a beta this buggy before lol
[04:22] <CPrgmSwR2> oorah: are you refering to 9.10
[04:23] <oorah> CPrgmSwR2, yes
[04:24] <ikus060> oorah: I'm playing DVD right now in 9.10
[04:24] <ikus060> oorah, I've install libdvdcss2 from medibuntu repository
[04:24] <CPrgmSwR2> oorah: have you downloaded the restricted libraries
[04:25] <oorah> CPrgmSwR2, how do i do that?
[04:25] <CPrgmSwR2> oorah: sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2
[04:25] <CPrgmSwR2> oorah: Oh wait
[04:26] <oorah> i don't see that in synaptic
[04:26] <leaf-sheep> I can't play the DVD and I have libdvdcss2 installed.  Hmm. :(
[04:27] <oorah> from i can tell there is no libdvdcss2, not in synaptic and didn't work with apt-get
[04:27] <leaf-sheep> oorah: You need to enable the Mediubuntu repo.
[04:27] <russlar> oorah: follow the guide on ubuntuforums
[04:27] <stpere> wow
[04:27] <CPrgmSwR2>  sudo apt-get install libdvdread4
[04:27] <MightyTweek> you're all wrong, follow the instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[04:27] <legend2440> oorah: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[04:27] <MightyTweek> lol
[04:28] <CPrgmSwR2> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[04:28] <MightyTweek> what was that URL again?
[04:28] <legend2440> oorah: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[04:28] <russlar> oorah: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[04:28] <chu_> 479 available updates! :p
[04:28] <russlar> chu_: backup first
[04:29] <chu_> I've done a clean Karmic install a few weeks back, I haven't done any updates though
[04:29] <chu_> This install is too perfect :p
[04:30] <CPrgmSwR2> chu_: that doesn't help my sound issue
[04:30] <leaf-sheep> I'm thinking it's one of those pesky silly encryption thing that prevents me from playing DVDS. :<
[04:30] <russlar> CPrgmSwR2: an update might actually not hurt...
[04:30] <oorah> still don't work
[04:30] <oorah> brb
[04:31] <CPrgmSwR2> russlar: updated last hour
[04:31] <russlar> leaf-sheep: I had an issue a while back where dvd's wouldn't play... turned out to be an issue with vlc
[04:31]  * leaf-sheep installs mplayer
[04:32] <CPrgmSwR2> russlar: nothing to upgrade now
[04:32] <russlar> leaf-sheep: reinstallign vlc fixed it
[04:32] <CPrgmSwR2> leaf-sheep: wish I could
[04:33] <thiebaude> updates are getting less and less for me
[04:34] <leaf-sheep> My Ubuntu Puppy needs to stop sleeping beside the chair... What if I move the chair backward?  Good thing I checked for the puppy first.
[04:37] <leaf-sheep> russlar: reinstalling vlc does not work. The other DVDs worked just fine.  Really... Quit the silliness with your DVD encryptions. :(
[04:37]  * leaf-sheep rages away at the wolves!
[04:38] <russlar> it's not my dvd encryptions
[04:38] <russlar> if it were my call, everything would go out as a .mkv
[04:39] <leaf-sheep> russlar: What do you use to make backups of your DVD collections?
[04:41] <russlar> I don't
[04:41] <russlar> that's ilegam, man!
[04:42] <stpere> it's not
[04:42] <stpere> you can make a copy for your private backup
[04:42] <russlar> well, k3b can rip an iso of anything
[04:42] <lysander89> hi, i installed 9.10 beta on an asus f5 with atheros 5007eg, wifi worked out of the box. After doing a partial upgrade as suggested by the update manager wifi broke and the wlan interface cannot be detected
[04:42] <lysander89> should i go back to madwifi?
[04:43] <werfact> kubuntu doesnt install if ubuntu was installed with a crypto disks on the system
[04:44] <arrrghhh> does anyone know how to completely automate login?  i have a wifi card, and automatic login.  it asks for a keyring password on every login...
[04:44] <leaf-sheep> arrrghhh: It asks for a keyring password because you have automatic login enabled. If you disable the automatic login, that pesky keyring password will go away! :3
[04:45] <arrrghhh> leaf-sheep, well i guess i could just log it in and hope... this box i want to be headless, i don't really want to worry about any of that in case it reboots, power outage, etc.
[04:46] <russlar> werfact: is the entire partition encrypted, or just a directory?
[04:47] <werfact> russlar, i dont remember, is there a way to check?
[04:47] <arrrghhh> leaf-sheep, is there really no way to bypass, prevent, or automatically authenticate the keyring?
[04:48] <leaf-sheep> arrrghhh: It's not headless if you're using GUI.
[04:48] <ryanprior> When I boot into karmic and try to connect to my wireless network, NetworkManager doesn't let me put in a passphrase. I can see wireless networks but I can't join them. Is there something I can do?
[04:48] <russlar> a df -h should tell you
[04:49] <leaf-sheep> arrrghhh: I don't know but I remember Lifehacker had an article on disabling that.
[04:49] <arrrghhh> leaf-sheep, well that's a good point.  how do i authenticate to a wifi network, and get a pulse session running w/o a GUI?
[04:50] <leaf-sheep> arrrghhh: Something like this --> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=258857  I did it once in terminal. It took awhile but it worked. Then you can add it to startup and make it automate at boot.
[04:50] <arrrghhh> i have a headless server that truly is headless.
[04:50] <arrrghhh> this was just easier to get everything goin as a gui.
[04:51] <Eddward> Does karmic fix pulseaudio for games?
[04:52] <werfact> russlar, i dont see anything about crypto, only home/user is .Private
[04:52] <stpere> Eddward: I wanted to try Savage 2, but it fails
[04:52] <stpere> 3d related
[04:52] <stpere> so, I can't tell for sure :-\
[04:53] <russlar> werfact: ok, so that's only an encrypted folder
[04:53] <thiebaude> stpere: which graphics card?
[04:53] <russlar> werfact: and you couldn't get an in-place upgrade to go?
[04:53] <stpere> intel 965
[04:53] <Eddward> srpere, I'm getting terrible crackling in the cinematics for Sacred and subtler problem i it game plan and in World of Goo in 9.04.
[04:53] <thiebaude> ok
[04:54] <werfact> russlar, i only tried a fresh install, and after it starts crypto modules, which takes like 5minutes, then it goes to a black screen , and that's the end of it
[04:54] <Eddward> stpere, I'm trying to decide if I have the wrong distro.  I was hoping the new release would fix it and that would be that.
[04:54] <ElijahCMenifee> Anyone know how to enable gdm root logins under karmic? /etc/gdm/gdm.conf no longer exists.
[04:55] <russlar> werfact: nice.
[04:56] <leaf-sheep> ElijahCMenifee: Do try 'locate gdm.conf'
[04:56] <Eddward> stpere,  I originally picked Ubuntu (coming from gentoo) with the hopes of going to Ubuntu Studio, but pulseaudio just seem like the absolute wrong thing for recording work.
[04:56] <stpere> the idea is not bad, but it seems badly implemented
[04:57] <ElijahCMenifee> PS, nice warning by the way, though I messed up something on my VB and just got reinstalled ;-)
[04:57] <CPrgmSwR2> Where do I go to report sound
[04:58] <russ5811> hi all. i'm having a problem getting wireless to work with 9.10
[04:59] <ElijahCMenifee> Ok found an /etc/init/gdm.conf and an /etc/dbus-1/system.d/gdm.conf but neither have the security section for setting AllowRoot
[05:00]  * russlar away
[05:02] <bazhang> russ5811, lspci
[05:03] <leaf-sheep> ElijahCMenifee: Make your own /etc/gdm/gdm.conf then.
[05:06] <leaf-sheep> ElijahCMenifee: http://www.ibiblio.org/oswg/oswg-nightly/oswg/en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/gdm-reference/gdm-reference/x135.html
[05:09] <ElijahCMenifee> leaf-sheep: Thanks that was the ticket, now I can get back to testing ldap authentication without locking myself out (vbox no way to send ctrl-alt-f* for console)
[05:12] <CPrgmSwR2> should i file a bug for my no sound issue
[05:14] <bazhang> callnett, lets keep it in channel ok
[05:16] <callnett> thanks again for yesterday
[05:16] <callnett> bazhang: everithing vorks fine
[05:17] <bazhang> callnett, you wanted to install opera and skype as well, correct? did you first install the ubuntu-restricted-extras package
[05:17] <callnett> bazhang: yes evrithing is nice
[05:18] <callnett> bazhang: thanks, was very helpful your triks
[05:18] <bazhang> callnett, so you got flash, did you still need helping with skype and opera
[05:19] <callnett> bazhang: another qestion
[05:19] <blue0488> how do I stop compiz?
[05:19] <bazhang> blue0488, kubuntu ubuntu or other
[05:19] <blue0488> ubuntu
[05:20] <callnett> bazhang: do u know i have to repeat this upgrade in few days to get the full version of ubuntu?
[05:20] <bazhang> alt f2 metacity --replace
[05:20] <bazhang> callnett, keep upgrading and will you have final in about 11 days time :)
[05:20] <callnett> bazhang: go from beta to full version
[05:20] <blue0488> thnx
[05:21] <bazhang> blue0488, to completely shut off all desktop effects go to appearances visual effects and set to none
[05:21] <bazhang> argh
[05:21]  * jimpop thinks its just about time for Karmic to go Beta..it's certainly mostly stable now.
[05:21] <callnett> bazhang: yes but this will be made automaticly? or i have to made the same stepps
[05:22] <bazhang> callnett, just do the updates, upgrades and you will be fine
[05:22] <bazhang> callnett, no need to install those -extras again as they will automatically be included in the update/upgrade process
[05:23] <callnett> bazhang: ok, thanks a lot
[05:23] <bazhang> callnett, you're welcome :)
[05:31] <callnett> bazhang: sorry for my english
[05:31] <clusty> having a little problem with browsing the samba network with gnome
[05:32] <bazhang> callnett, your english is great; stop by here if you have any more issues :)
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. ive often had to type in the full url to the  server/share to get it working the first time and ask for username/password. clusty  then i bookmark it.. so it rembers.
[05:32] <clusty> if i click on my airport extreme basestation in windows network it shows nothing (wont ask me for pass or anything). if i do a smbclient -L <my thingy> i see the disk
[05:32] <callnett> bazhang: oki doki
[05:33] <clusty> Dr_Willis, i tried that
[05:33] <alteregoa> i detected a cat
[05:33] <clusty> Dr_Willis, my station is called: clustys-ape and share name is LaCie
[05:34] <clusty> Dr_Willis, smb://clustys-ape/LaCie complains about not finding
[05:34] <clusty> correction:
[05:34] <alteregoa> clusty?
[05:34] <clusty> cannoit display
[05:34] <alteregoa> nautilus?
[05:34] <clusty> alteregoa, yes
[05:34] <clusty> alteregoa,yes
[05:34] <alteregoa> do you see the share with nautilus?
[05:34] <clusty> alteregoa, nope
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> check the commands 'smbtree' and 'findsmb' in a terminal window. see if they see the server/share
[05:35] <clusty> alteregoa, i see the host and click it shows me nothing
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> so you see the host. but not the shares. and you tried typing in the full path to the share like you showed above correct?
[05:36] <clusty> http://pastebin.com/m1b5a81fb
[05:36] <alteregoa> lacie is spastic sometime
[05:37] <clusty> Dr_Willis, typing: smb://CLUSTYS-APE/LaCie
[05:37] <clusty> in nautilus
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> gnomes browser of shares can also be a bit spastic at times also.
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> I found just mounting the things by hand to be much more relieable.
[05:37] <alteregoa> i think lacie doesnt like to be on a ape
[05:37] <clusty> mounting this is a drag even under windows
[05:38] <clusty> alteregoa, :D
[05:38] <alteregoa> dr_willis i agree
[05:38] <clusty> ape=AirPortExtreme
[05:38] <clusty> but name is too long
[05:38] <clusty> :D
[05:38] <alteregoa> yeah apples are long if they fell from the tree
[05:40] <Dr_Willis> how uselesss Sniper_Jesus
[05:40] <hifi> !ops
[05:40] <Sniper_Jesus> IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY
[05:40] <Sniper_Jesus> IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY
[05:40] <Sniper_Jesus> IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY
[05:40] <Sniper_Jesus> IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY IM GAY
[05:40] <alteregoa> mount -t cifs //clustis-ape/LaCie /media/laCie
[05:40] <clusty> gosh
[05:40] <hifi> he's still gay, got it
[05:40] <alteregoa> gosh is dead
[05:41] <clusty> temp ban?
[05:41] <clusty> or drop dead asshole ban?
[05:41] <hifi> I think you need opers for "drop dead asshole ban"
[05:41] <bazhang> lets move on please
[05:41] <tonyyarusso> clusty: Almost all bans are temporary, just with different durations.
[05:42] <alteregoa> what about a lifetime ban?
[05:42] <alteregoa> this is temporary too
[05:42] <tonyyarusso> Anyone have a VirtualBox image they don't mind breaking to find out if I can remove that message from the topic yet?  ;)
[05:42] <alteregoa> a friend got a lifetime ban on walmart
[05:42] <clusty> alteregoa, http://pastebin.com/m3a7f98a3
[05:43] <alteregoa> mount it to a subdir
[05:43] <alteregoa> _/mnt/lacie
[05:43] <clusty> ok
[05:44] <clusty> alteregoa, same
[05:44] <alteregoa> you got guest access on the share?
[05:44] <clusty> alteregoa, mounted on /media/LaCie
[05:44] <clusty> nope
[05:44] <clusty> ouch
[05:44] <alteregoa> ok wait
[05:44] <clusty> alteregoa, gotta pass user/pass
[05:45] <clusty> -o user=<myusername>,pass=<mypassword>
[05:45] <clusty> :D
[05:45] <clusty> i am faster D:
[05:45] <alteregoa> ,iocharset=utf8
[05:46] <hifi> so, there's no way any package will be just version bumped at this time of karmic cycle?
[05:46] <alteregoa> after pass=password,
[05:46] <Dr_Willis> hifi:  it would be unlikely
[05:46] <hifi> I just noticed karmic has a very old sqlite3 package
[05:46] <Dr_Willis> hifi:  unless there was a big security issue.. or some other major thing .
[05:47] <alteregoa> the powers of matthew star
[05:47] <hifi> but no, not a major thing I suppose
[05:47] <ElijahCMenifee> tonyyatusso: give me a minute to backup my disk and I will do stuff in my vb ;-)
[05:48] <clusty> i enabled guest
[05:48] <anilalur> ubuntu 9.10 xorg has 100% CPU usage on intel 915, anybody facing the same isssue ?
[05:48] <clusty> cause my password is messed up and dunno if i need to escape or quote...
[05:48] <alteregoa> well you see
[05:49] <clusty> alteregoa, won't cooperate :(
[05:49] <blue0488> is there a way to get files through pidgin faster?
[05:49] <PatrickStar> I thought I had an X freeze karmic beta bug, but I guess its a kernel problem, as caps lock doesn't change the light on the keyboard. At least that's what the web page for debugging X says. But I don't know what to report now.
[05:49] <alteregoa> then use -o guest
[05:51] <PatrickStar> anilalur: I had that a couple days ago, but went away with updates
[05:51] <alteregoa> -o username=guest or something
[05:51] <callnett> Adri2000:
[05:51] <anilalur> PatrickStar: oh you mean with updates for the beta ? I need to check that, thanks
[05:51] <clusty> alteregoa, won't work. any way to figure out if it does not like my auth stuff ?
[05:51] <PatrickStar> anilalur: ya
[05:52] <alteregoa> fix your auth stuff on the server side
[05:52] <ElijahCMenifee> wow I am getting grey-outs on the screen they last for about 12 seconds and do not allow any input...(heavy IO load while copying my vbox images around)
[05:52] <alteregoa> normaly you should be able to see the share
[05:53] <blue0488>  is there a way to get files through pidgin faster?
[05:53] <alteregoa> yes, squeeze it
[05:53] <PatrickStar> blue0488: vegetable oil?
[05:53] <alteregoa> snake oil?
[05:54] <Dr_Willis> EVOO!
[05:54] <blue0488> funny I am downloading a file and it is too slow
[05:54] <alteregoa> ask the sender to stop bittorrent
[05:54] <ElijahCMenifee> tonyyarusso, Ok what do you want me to do with my VirtualBox image?
[05:55] <hsarci> i switched from KDE to gnome and now I have default KDE cursor and no gnome cursors even work....any ideas?
[05:55] <tonyyarusso> ElijahCMenifee: Install all available updates and reboot it.
[05:56] <ElijahCMenifee> 4 mins remaining on package download
[05:56] <alteregoa> how can i send a message to th sysop on a SSH terminal?
[05:58] <ElijahCMenifee> alteregoa, does the system you are sshed to have the traditional unix talk command installed?
[05:59]  * Dr_Willis goes back to trying to get grub2 to boot a iso file
[06:00] <alteregoa> talk?
[06:00] <alteregoa> he has ubuntu server
[06:00] <clusty> alteregoa, yeap
[06:00] <clusty> karmic bug :(
[06:00] <clusty> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/linux/+bug/406466
[06:01] <alteregoa> talk ok
[06:01] <clusty> alteregoa, http://pastebin.com/m3aaca971
[06:01] <clusty> i do not even reach mounting stage
[06:02] <PatrickStar> ok I'm going to go sleep under my rock
[06:02] <alteregoa> strange
[06:03] <clusty> alteregoa, i am always eager to see new features so I am installing ubuntu 2-3 weeks before launch:D
[06:03] <clusty> should know better :D
[06:03] <clusty> godamn it
[06:03] <alteregoa> http://blogs.koolwal.net/2009/03/10/tip-mounting-lacie-ethernet-disk-on-debian-linux/
[06:04] <clusty> now the little shit shows up in nautilus
[06:04] <Dr_Willis> Ive noticed samba canbe slow to respond at times.
[06:04] <ElijahCMenifee> alteregoa, I remember using that command back in the bad old days, I believe it is still around but is probably no longer a standard service, but you can try it
[06:04] <Dr_Willis> even windows guides often say wait 10+min...
[06:04] <clusty> alteregoa, this is not an ethernet disk. it is a regular usb disk attached to a router with usb port
[06:04] <alteregoa> yeah it works talk and wall
[06:05] <clusty> thanks anyways
[06:05] <alteregoa> i remember wall from bbses
[06:05] <ElijahCMenifee> alteregoa, you might also try who to find his tty and send a write sysop ttyid
[06:05] <Dr_Willis> and hope he dont get mad. :)
[06:06] <ElijahCMenifee> well he can always turn msg to no to stop accepting writes....
[06:06] <Dr_Willis> which may be the default. :)
[06:07] <ElijahCMenifee> on my karmic I checked and the default was set to y....
[06:07] <CPrgmSwR2> I am suprized that sound is broken on kubuntu for me
[06:07] <CPrgmSwR2> It does not make sense
[06:07] <alteregoa> is there a way to list the users?
[06:07] <Jordan_U> alteregoa: "who"
[06:08] <Dr_Willis> whos on first?
[06:09] <ElijahCMenifee> LOL I also just check on my OpenSolaris 2009.06 server and write still works there also...
[06:09] <alteregoa> fascinating
[06:09] <alteregoa> i think i have to learn some essential commands again
[06:09] <alteregoa> well im old, i rised up with cp/m
[06:09] <alteregoa> grew
[06:09]  * Dr_Willis did cpm ages ago also
[06:10] <Dr_Willis> Bash Basics   :)
[06:10] <ElijahCMenifee> I learned those back on SysV on an AT&T 3b2 system....long before instant messaging was around...
[06:10] <Dr_Willis> I got a CP/M cart for my C64 still.
[06:11] <Dr_Willis> I recall write/wall on the solaris mahines at school.. goofing up your display with  messages and so forth.
[06:11] <Dr_Willis> or remotely playing sounds on the workstations in the lab across the hall..
[06:11] <Dr_Willis> :)
[06:12] <alteregoa> dr. willis yeah i had a c128
[06:12] <ElijahCMenifee> LOL Dr_Willis , or before xhost security popping up random programs on a users X windows
[06:12] <alteregoa> a twatputer the c128
[06:13] <ElijahCMenifee> wow finally time for a vbox reboot
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> The good old days
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> when security ment locking the lab door on the way out.
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> I still have a C128 somewhere :) i think
[06:15] <alteregoa> well my wife throwin everything away when i was in africa
[06:16] <alteregoa> i had thousands of 8 and 5 1/4 floppies
[06:16] <ElijahCMenifee> tonyyarusso, after a reboot no problems but the linux image appears to have been kept back, you want me to also test with an apt-get install linux-generic?
[06:17] <tonyyarusso> ElijahCMenifee: Sure
[06:18] <alteregoa> someone knows to change the tty lang for users?
[06:21] <hsarci> i switched from KDE to gnome and now I have default KDE cursor and no gnome cursors even work....any ideas?
[06:25] <bazhang> hsarci, you wish to use gnome cursors with kde, or install others for kde
[06:25] <hsarci> no
[06:25] <hsarci> i was using kde, then i switched to gnome
[06:26] <hsarci> now...im stuck wtih the "oxygen" default kde cursor and whenver i go to change the cursor to a diff one nothing happens
[06:26] <ElijahCMenifee> tonyyarusso, Ok rebooted again running '2.6.31-14-generic #48-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 16 14:05:01 UTC 2009 x86_64' on VirtualBox with 1 Processor, 655MB, 32MB Video+3dAccel (no guest additions) that may have fixed it, you might want to see if someone has a 32-bit karmic in vbox
[06:26] <bazhang> hsarci, using which theme
[06:26] <hsarci> bazhang, default...human
[06:26] <bazhang> hsarci, tried switching themes ?
[06:26] <frybye> Hi - Karmic Beta has started in terminal mode - how do I get to the GUI?
[06:27] <bazhang> frybye, busybox? or tty
[06:27] <ElijahCMenifee> frybye, what happens if you type in startx?
[06:27] <arrrghhh> so i'm having wireless issues... i can connect via nm-applet, but not manually configured thru /etc/network/interfaces.  i'm not sure what's missing, i know i'm using wpa2 tkip, and i created the hex version of my key several times... i'm not sure what else could be wrong
[06:27] <hsarci> bazhang, does nothing to the cursor
[06:27] <bazhang> hsarci, tried installing other themes yet?
[06:27] <tonyyarusso> ElijahCMenifee: You have a graphical desktop and everything?
[06:28] <frybye> bazhang: no idea - is in sun virtual box..
[06:28] <bazhang> frybye, what does the prompt say
[06:28] <hsarci> bazhang, no....i went to gnomelook.org but coudlnt really figure out whiitch type of theme i should install
[06:28] <ElijahCMenifee> tonyyarusso, yes
[06:28] <tonyyarusso> interesting
[06:28] <bazhang> hsarci, how about trying one then
[06:28] <frybye> startx has done it - just dont have any network in there now.. hang on...
[06:29] <hsarci> bazhang, am i supposed to use a gtk 2.x?
[06:29] <bazhang> hsarci, most downloaded/most popular usually work well
[06:29] <bazhang> hsarci, yep
[06:29] <hsarci> bazhang, thanks...one more question, widgets on gnome?
[06:30] <bazhang> hsarci, gdesklets? screenlets?
[06:30] <hsarci> bazhang, ill look into those, thanks
[06:30] <ElijahCMenifee> the image for the logout/reboot/shutdown is now a power button symbol instead of a chat bubble symbol ;-)
[06:32] <hsarci> bazhang, i just realzed, the cursor changes when im hovering over firefox...but desktop and xchat are kde oxygen cursor...very strange
[06:33] <bazhang> hsarci, did you login to gnome from the log in screen? any chance you are still in kde
[06:33] <hsarci> bazhang, kde is gone....it was a gnome login screen
[06:34] <arrrghhh_> *ahem* let's try that again... is there anyway to check what configuration is working thru nm-applet and translate that to /etc/network/interfaces?
[06:34] <alteregoa> well bashrc ha a tidle i cant tyope it
[06:34] <bazhang> hsarci, okay, when you removed kde4 how did you do it
[06:35] <hsarci> used a command someone gave me in this channel
[06:35] <bazhang> puregnome?
[06:35] <hsarci> it was two remove packages and one install ubuntu-desktop
[06:35] <bazhang> right
[06:35] <hsarci> bazhang, the works "puregnome" werent in te command
[06:36] <bazhang> !puregnome
[06:36] <bazhang> hsarci, ^^ ?
[06:36] <hsarci> yes
[06:39] <hsarci> bazhang, gonna try a restartr
[06:41] <ElijahCMenifee> anyone need a copy of a karmic 64-bit virtual box with the latest updates?  only a 1.3G bziped image...
[06:43] <hsarci> bazhang, its workin now...thanks
[06:46] <ElijahCMenifee> aha finally got empathy connecting to irc!
[06:46] <bazhang> hsarci, great
[06:46] <ElijahCMenifee_a> note to self people think you are strange when they see you talking to yourself...
[06:47] <ElijahCMenifee> ElijahCMenifee_a, then leave I like XChat better anyway!
[06:47] <alteregoa> i dreamt music
[06:50] <alteregoa> neverending story...
[06:52] <ElijahCMenifee> pulse audio in karmic seems to work a lot better then previous releases (running rythmbox in both karmic, and karmic-vbox with different radio stations sounds confusing however...) mix from different sources has not crashed my pulse audio, cant wait untill it leaves beta so we can install at work
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> Success - i was able to get grub2 to boot ubuntu 9.10 iso file from a flash drive. :)
[06:55] <ElijahCMenifee> tonyyarusso, thanks for whatever you did, the vbox problems were disturbing
[06:56] <tonyyarusso> ElijahCMenifee: "put it in the topic and waited" - I wasn't even able to figure it out far enough to file a real bug report
[06:57] <ElijahCMenifee> tonyyarusso, I suppose could be a good boy and download 32bit iso and check it there also....was getting tired of reinstalls (kept forgetting to backup my image...)
[07:00] <arrrghhh> well now i'm really confused.  i did get it to work with /etc/network/interfaces file, but i had a dns issue... i couldn't get anything via dns host name, i could only ping IP's directly, nothing was resolving...
[07:01] <arrrghhh> i just don't understand, i use the same static settings as i do in nm-applet...
[07:02] <arrrghhh> same dns server (the gateway of my router)
[07:03] <robin0800> arrrghhh: you could try rebooting the router
[07:03] <ElijahCMenifee> arrrghhh, what does your /etc/resolv.conf look like? the nm-applet may change it, while static interface settings may not set it to valid values
[07:04] <arrrghhh> robin0800, it's not the router.  ElijahCMenifee let me check, 1 sec...
[07:04] <arrrghhh> all i have is "nameserver 192.168.0.1" which is my gateway/dns server...
[07:05] <ElijahCMenifee> arrrghhh, are you having trouble with all names or just local domain names?
[07:06] <leaf-sheep> arrrghhh: How do you know? Do try and reboot the router! ;)
[07:06] <arrrghhh> ElijahCMenifee, all.  leaf-sheep, yes i've rebooted it several times...
[07:06] <arrrghhh> and other devices are fine with it.  and when i reboot with nm-applet in charge it's fine.
[07:06] <leaf-sheep> arrrghhh: The routers do go silly sometimes. That happened to me previously. 30 minutes later, it works great again!
[07:07] <arrrghhh> and nm-applet is setup statically, to use the same network settings.
[07:07] <ElijahCMenifee> what happens with `dig 192.168.0.1`
[07:07] <arrrghhh> ElijahCMenifee, well i'm on a functional network now...
[07:08] <arrrghhh> crap i should probably grab a laptop and get on irc and get this thing back on the broken dns setup...
[07:10] <ElijahCMenifee> you probably want to look at resolv.conf again once its broken, then try dig
[07:10] <arrrghhh> k.  lemme reboot.
[07:11] <virtuald> anyone seen their phone not appearing any more under computer in nautilus?
[07:11] <alokito> some icons from preferences menu were missing in karmic alpha and betas
[07:11] <alokito> is the problem solved now?
[07:13] <alokito> all sleeping? :(
[07:13] <hsarci> is there a more comprenesive power manager for gnome?
[07:14] <virtuald> i never had any icon trouble
[07:14] <legend2440> alokito: open system>prefernces>appearance  then Interface tab put check in box that says Show Icons in Menus
[07:15] <alokito> legend2440, ok, thanks :)
[07:15] <arrrghhh> ElijahCMenifee, sheesh, there was nothing in resolv.conf, except some garbage about how this file was autogenerated by NetworkManager or something.  stupid!  thanks tho!
[07:16] <shawn_> Hello in the Nvidia driver I am trying to save my monitor configuration to X but it keeps saying failed to parse file
[07:16] <shawn_> Failed to parse existing X config file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[07:16] <arrrghhh> shawn_, did you run it w/sudo?
[07:16] <shawn_> arrrghhh Yes I did
[07:16] <arrrghhh> i've heard the nvidia-config is not a good idea to use tho...
[07:17] <shawn_> arrrghhh What should I use to set my dual display then
[07:17] <robin0800> shawn_: you need gksu to save to xorg that is if you have one
[07:17] <ElijahCMenifee> arrrghhh, I assume that would be your main problem, if that did not resolve I was going to recommend talking dns to the router via a `telnet 192.168.0.1 53`...
[07:17] <arrrghhh> shawn_, beats me, i haven't fiddled with that on mine in a while... i always used nvidia-config in the past.
[07:17] <digger3> Small gdm problem: I hear the drums when booting but login window isn't shown. My machine idles for about 60sec and then suddenly shows the login window (upgraded from 9.04), any fix?
[07:18] <arrrghhh> ElijahCMenifee, yea, putting the "nameserver 192.168.0.1" entry in resolv.conf and restarting /etc/init.d/networking fixed it!
[07:18]  * leaf-sheep makes the drum noises
[07:18] <shawn_> robin0800 I ran it with gksu and it still failed to parse?
[07:18] <ElijahCMenifee> shawn_, known bug, try running nvidia-xconfig, then using nvidia-settings
[07:18] <ElijahCMenifee> shawn_, as sudo of course ;-)
[07:19] <arrrghhh> oh i assumed he was doing that...
[07:19] <shawn_> ElijahCMenifee Thanks running that first fixed it :)
[07:20] <ElijahCMenifee> the parse bug is seperate issue from save issue, parse bug is because the xorg is missing a ServerDisplay definition section that is now optional but the nvidia-settings needs it to be there
[07:20] <arrrghhh> 1 more reboot to see if it's persistent.  thanks again ElijahCMenifee
[07:21] <robin0800> ElijahCMenifee: you do realise on a clean install there is no xorg.conf file so i guess its nvidia -xconfig generates it
[07:23] <shawn_> Yep it saved thanks both of you
[07:23] <ElijahCMenifee> robin0800, No did not realize that, when I got around to looking into the parse bug I had an xorg.conf but it was missing most of the sections...thanks for that additional tidbit
[07:25] <hsarci> what package do I remove to get rid of "remote desktop veiwer"?
[07:25] <ElijahCMenifee> hsarci, tsclient?
[07:27] <hsarci> ElijahCMenifee, no not tsclient
[07:27] <hsarci> its called "remote desktop veiwer"
[07:29] <ElijahCMenifee> hsarci, try vinagre then? there are several...Vinagre is what appears to get launched from the 'Remote Desktop Viewer' menu item.
[07:29] <hsarci> ElijahCMenifee, thanks i will try
[07:30] <virtuald> there's also rdesktop
[07:31] <lemonade> wtf...
[07:31] <lemonade> DCC aborted receiving file  xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx`#gay`xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx from Sniper_Jesus
[07:31] <lemonade> did he really think that i use mirc?
[07:32] <hsarci> ElijahCMenifee, it worked, thanks
[07:34] <ElijahCMenifee> hsarci, your welcome
[07:37] <hsarci> !puregnome
[07:42] <shawn_> If I install openssh-server
[07:42] <shawn_> Where does the config file
[07:42] <shawn_> Install
[07:43] <ElijahCMenifee> shawn_,  should be /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[07:43] <shawn_> Ohhhh _ config not .config
[07:58] <Dr_Willis> !bug
[07:58] <shawn_> Which type of server updates from anywhere for mail... IMAP or POP?
[07:58] <Machtin> hm.. let's say i have a bluray.iso and want to rip the video stream and two of the audio streams.. how would i do that? (i want it to be mkv)
[07:59] <Machtin> shawn_: imap is designed to be used from several computers and stores the emails on the server
[07:59] <shawn_> Machtin thanks thats what I wanted to know
[07:59] <Machtin> you're welcome :)
[08:00] <Machtin> i tried to google.. but i can't find a decent tutorial on how to rip a bluray.iso to mkv. :/
[08:00] <shawn_> Machtin but for sending mail I need to use SMTP?
[08:00] <Machtin> shawn_: indeed
[08:01] <Machtin> there might be other protocols to send emails.. but i've heard of none, tbh
[08:03] <arrrghhh> so i'm having issues with grub2 now... it seems to hang on the grub menu when there's no keyboard installed.  i'm baffled.  here's my /etc/default/grub... http://paste.ubuntu.com/295953/
[08:07] <ElijahCMenifee> Machtin, there is the old mail command for sending to local users...
[08:09] <Machtin> can't remember.. might have been to young when that was used.. no clue :) but could you assist me with my bluray-problem?
[08:11] <hsarci> how do i uninstall sometihng that was installed with "make install"
[08:13] <Machtin> hsarci: might work with aptitude anyway
[08:14] <Machtin> if i'm wrong: make uninstall? :)
[08:15] <Machtin> have a look here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=245111
[08:16] <Dr_Willis> if you are lucky 'make uninstall' in the source directory
[08:18] <arrrghhh> so why would grub hang on boot?  i want it to select... well really the only one that isn't recovery or a memtest!  it seems to work when i have a monitor/keyboard plugged in, but for whatever reason it hangs when there's nothing...
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[08:24] <evilaim> That was slightly annoying
[08:24] <virtuald> arrrghhh: if you don't have a monitor connected how can you know it's grub that hangs and not the bios waiting for you to press f1 because it can't find a keyboard
[08:24] <arrrghhh> virtuald, cuz i turned off keyboard warnings, plus i let it hang and plugged in a monitor... it was sitting on the grub screen...
[08:24] <virtuald> ok
[08:25] <virtuald> arrrghhh: try setting up grub to stay in text mode if it's possible
[08:26] <arrrghhh> virtuald, what do you mean?
[08:26] <virtuald> arrrghhh: i suspect that it hangs when it's trying to change resolution
[08:26] <arrrghhh> hrm
[08:26] <arrrghhh> ok
[08:27] <arrrghhh> i just don't get why the selection screen has never shown up before
[08:27] <arrrghhh> but suddenly it shows up when no one is watching...
[08:27] <virtuald> it does? heh
[08:27] <arrrghhh> how do i put grub in txt mode only?
[08:27] <virtuald> i have no idea
[08:27] <the_dark_warrio> Sometimes my empathy window increases the window's width if the text gets too long. Other times the text entry increases its height to fit more text. I guess the former is a bug. Is it known?
[08:28] <arrrghhh> i have GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" set - should that be different?  i don't know how to set txt only mode.
[08:29] <virtuald> i guess you'll have to read the... friendly manual
[08:30] <arrrghhh> no entry for grub or grub2.
[08:30] <rom> hi
[08:30] <arrrghhh> if you know, it'd be nice to just tell me.  i guess i'll do some more googling.
[08:30] <rom> since today or yesterday, all my videos are blue / purple
[08:30] <rom> I have no the true colors
[08:30] <rom> with vlc or otem
[08:30] <virtuald> i said i don't know
[08:30] <rom> totem
[08:31] <virtuald> i think the manual is on grub.gnu.org
[08:31] <virtuald> or something like that
[08:32] <evilaim> smplayer
[08:32] <arrrghhh> rom, is it just videos, or your desktop etc as well?
[08:33] <the_dark_warrio> Are there any one here using Empathy that could confirm my statement? If you type a long text, the chat window start to increase its width.
[08:33] <rom> only videos
[08:33] <Dr_Willis> The grub2 docs.. are a tad lacking on the gnu.org site. From a 'beginners' point of view. :)
[08:34] <Dr_Willis> Theres gettng go be quite a few good beginner guides to grub2 out however.
[08:37] <evilaim> Dr_Willis: what?
[08:37] <evilaim> what do you need to be able to do?
[08:39] <Dr_Willis> evilaim:  right now im trying to get it installed to a vfat/fat32/fat16 filesystem.. :)
[08:39] <Dr_Willis> i succesuflly have grub2 booting a ubuntu.iso image on a flash drive.. BUT i had to use ext3 for the flash filesystem
[08:39] <Dr_Willis> which is GOOD.. but not what i wanted
[08:40] <Dr_Willis> Now i can copy any new iso's of ubuntu to that flash drive and have a bootable installer flash disk :)
[08:40] <evilaim> why would you need a fat fs?
[08:40] <Dr_Willis> seems tobe some bugs with installing grub to a fat/vfat/fat32/fat16 filesystem at this time
[08:41] <evilaim> well, tell me why you need fat, if it's valid then I'll help
[08:41] <evilaim> if not, install ext3/4 and call it a day
[08:41] <Dr_Willis> I want my 8+gb flash drive to use vfat. not ext2/3/4 like  i can do with all my other bootable flash ddrives
[08:42] <Dr_Willis> Grub2 is supposed to be able to install to a fat partition/filesystem also. but aparently theres still some bugs
[08:42] <evilaim> Yes, but why do you need fat
[08:42] <evilaim> ?
[08:42] <Dr_Willis> building my own 'uberboot' flash drive. :) right now it has Ubuntu+tinycorelinux+xbmclive on it. booting from the iso files
[08:43] <evilaim> want and need are two different entities
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> so i dont have to explain to the window users i give it to why they cant access their 16+gb flash drive from windows
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> sort of a waste to have it be ext2 and limited to just linux
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> grub2 is  supposed to work with fat but its not.
[08:44] <Dr_Willis> thats the core of the problem.
[08:44] <evilaim> what?
[08:45] <evilaim> windows can read ext3...
[08:45] <Dr_Willis> If you install extra stuff..  but thats not the issue.
[08:45] <evilaim> Well, google it then, this seems redundant...
[08:45] <Dr_Willis> the issue is that grub2 is supposed to work with  vfat filesystems - it is not letting me install grub2 to a vfat partition.
[08:45] <evilaim> yes well
[08:45] <evilaim> not everything works all the time
[08:45] <Dr_Willis> i have googled it.. and as i said.. theres some bugs with grub2.
[08:46] <evilaim> it is a beta...
[08:46] <evilaim> no one will troubleshoot grub 2 atm
[08:46] <evilaim> go to launchpad and submit a bug
[08:46] <Dr_Willis> i am trouble shooting it. :) and thats what ive learned..
[08:46] <evilaim> that's about the best tech support you'll recieve
[08:47] <Dr_Willis> but oddly enough  it does seem to work  in some disrtos. tracking down version #'s now. could be debian has some patches not in ubuntu at this time
[08:47] <Dr_Willis> http://www.panticz.de/MultiBootUSB neat littke scrpt to make a multi-boot flash drive.. but its a little out of date.
[08:47] <Machtin> hm. i want to convert a blu-ray untouched-iso to mkv.. and i can't find a howto for it.. any suggestions?
[08:49] <rsk> Machtin: gotten a proper mplayer package yet?
[08:50] <Machtin> nope
[08:50] <Machtin> do you think i should install it by hand?
[08:50] <rsk> compilation frmo svn is always recomended
[08:50] <Machtin> oh, i see
[08:50] <rsk> it's fastert than the package and never has important bits stripped out
[08:51] <Machtin>  svn checkout svn://svn.mplayerhq.hu/mplayer/trunk mplayer <- that's okay?
[08:51] <rsk> sure
[08:53] <Machtin> errm.. sorry.. but how to install after the download?
[08:53] <Machtin> oh.
[08:53] <Machtin> was in the wrong dir.. my bad
[08:54] <rsk> cd mplayer && sudo apt-get build-dep mplayer && ./configure && make
[08:54] <rsk> and then run the binary with ./mplayer in mplayer dir, you don't have to make install it to try it
[08:54] <Machtin> :)
[08:55] <Machtin> i think i'll just convert it to .mkv and then strip the unused streams via mkvmerge.. i at least understand THAT tool :)
[08:58]  * Dr_Willis missed the point of installing the mplayer   :) but im not paying much attention...
[08:58] <Dr_Willis> you could play theiso with mplayer :) i guess
[08:59] <Machtin> MPlayer SVN-r29777-4.4.1 (C) 2000-2009 MPlayer Team
[08:59] <Machtin> looks better, right?
[09:05] <eagles0513875> morning Dr_Willis
[09:05] <oldude67> well yeah i got another machine to play around with today...been trying to load karmic on it now for awhile..ugh:(
[09:05] <Dr_Willis> hay eagles0513875
[09:05] <eagles0513875> oldude67: whats wrong
[09:05] <Machtin> http://pastebin.com/d27aa449 rsk :<
[09:05] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: no thanks i dont eat hay :P
[09:06] <oldude67> stupid things, its a dual p3 866 but for some reason you cant have to cdrom drives in it at the same time..
[09:06] <oldude67> its loading now.
[09:08] <eagles0513875> oldude67: why not do a network boot or setup something of the sort
[09:09] <oldude67> eagles0513875, dont know how to start with, and ive been just tinkering with it mostly.
[09:09] <Dr_Willis> yea - automounting flash drives crashed again..
[09:09] <eagles0513875> i think there is something about setting up a network install oldude67 on howtoforge
[09:09] <eagles0513875> ill try dig it up for ya
[09:09] <eagles0513875> hold on
[09:09] <oldude67> eagles0513875, thanks ill take a look at it for sure.
[09:10] <oldude67> well i see i got my old network manager icon back on the task bar instead of that ugly one (thank god)
[09:10] <eagles0513875> oldude67: no problem
[09:10] <eagles0513875> lol
[09:10] <eagles0513875> oldude67: kde or gnome
[09:10] <oldude67> kde
[09:10] <oldude67> eagles0513875, is that network install like the one debian uses?
[09:11] <Dr_Willis> at least i do have grub2 booting a ubuntu iso from a ext3 formated flash drive... still cant get it booting from a vfat formated flash drive.
[09:11] <eagles0513875> dunno oldude67
[09:11] <oldude67> Dr_Willis, i have karmic set for install on mine, but this old p3 wont boot from flash..:(
[09:12] <eagles0513875> going to take me some time as i have about 30 pages of ubuntu how tos to go through to find it
[09:12] <eagles0513875> when did booting from flash drives come into effect
[09:12] <Dr_Willis> oldude67:  heh. I got a pc that refused to boot from usb properly even tho the bios says.
[09:12] <eagles0513875> with p4 or with duel cores
[09:12] <oldude67> no my intel celeron 2.4 will boot from flash thats how i loaded the one im on.lol
[09:13] <Dr_Willis> oldude67:  whats 'new' about using grub2 is i got it set to boot 'ubuntu.iso' from the flash drive.. so to upgrade to the next iso version. I just have to copy the new iso file over to the flash with the name ubuntu.iso  :)
[09:13] <Dr_Willis> oldude67:  no need to rerun unetbootin, or usb-creator or anything
[09:13] <oldude67> Dr_Willis, thats cool, save some time.
[09:13] <eagles0513875> oldude67:  you might be able to adapt this http://howtoforge.com/ubuntu_pxe_install_server
[09:13] <Dr_Willis> oldude67:  yep. i got ubuntu and tinycore linux both working on it.. those are the only 2 disrtos set up right for it that i can find.
[09:13] <eagles0513875> let me see what else there is oldude67
[09:14] <rxd> when will 9.10 karmic be released
[09:15] <eagles0513875> rxd: supposed to be on the 29th of thsi month
[09:15] <Dr_Willis> I think i will take that week off for vacation. :)
[09:15] <robin0800> rxd: oct 29th if ready of course
[09:15] <eagles0513875> oldude67: did you see that link
[09:15]  * Dr_Willis makes predictions on what the top 10 questiosn will be in #ubuntu when 9.10 gets released...
[09:16] <oldude67> eagles0513875, yeah i did even book marked it for future reference.:D
[09:16] <rxd> eagles0513875,robin0800: will have same default filesystem as aufs?
[09:16] <eagles0513875> rxd: default will be ext4
[09:16] <eagles0513875> oldude67: there are other ones thats not the one three is a 2nd way
[09:16] <robin0800> rxd:  oct 22nd for rc1
[09:16] <eagles0513875> i have seen on here oldude67
[09:17] <rxd> robin0800: beta for 9.10 is aufs, i don't understand is aufs be taken out
[09:18] <robin0800> rdx what is aufs?
[09:18] <eagles0513875> oldude67: lots of interesting stuff on that site
[09:18] <eagles0513875> like hwo to setup samba as a domain controller lol
[09:18] <oldude67> eagles0513875, heck im still trying to learn how to do ssh and that stuff too..lol
[09:18] <eagles0513875> you mean setup an ssh server oldude67
[09:19] <oldude67> yeah that too..lmao
[09:19] <Dr_Willis> i never have gotten pxe working right. I found a live cd once that auto-set it up so you couldnnet  boot other machines  from a single live cd. :) neat trick..
[09:19] <Dr_Willis> but thats the last i ever got it working
[09:19] <rxd> robin0800: aufs = another unionfs
[09:19] <eagles0513875> oldude67: its easy
[09:20] <eagles0513875> !openssh-server
[09:20] <eagles0513875> !info openssh-server
[09:20] <Dr_Willis> !ssh
[09:20] <eagles0513875> oldude67: all you have to do is install openssh-server and you can connect no problem
[09:20] <Dr_Willis> ssh is the multi-tool of the decade. :)
[09:20] <eagles0513875> thats all i have done and it works perfectly out of the box oldude67
[09:20] <oldude67> i know thats why i want to learn how to do it.
[09:21] <robin0800> rxd: well ext 4 been default during karmic alpha & beta
[09:22] <eagles0513875> oldude67: sudo apt-get install openssh-server lol
[09:22] <eagles0513875> !info putty
[09:22] <eagles0513875> hehe then you can use putty after that
[09:22] <Dr_Willis> poo poo on putty :)
[09:22] <arrrghhh> well this doesn't make sense.  it seems this PC won't boot with either a keyboard or monitor missing.  i tried either, and with the monitor plugged in, keyboard/mouse not it hangs at grub.  with just keyboard/mouse plugged in, i don't know what it does but when i plug the monitor in, it goes into low power as if there's nothing coming out of the vga port... ugh.
[09:22] <Dr_Willis> theres a lot of other neat ssh utilities in the package manager also
[09:22] <Dr_Willis> !info sshmenu
[09:23] <Dr_Willis> arrrghhh:  i hjad an old pc with bios settings for 'halt on error' i had to change the settings to allow it to boot with no keyboard plugged in.
[09:24] <Dr_Willis> 'error keyboard missing: hit any key to continue'
[09:24] <Dr_Willis> :)
[09:24] <arrrghhh> Dr_Willis, there's a keyboard detect warning, and you essentially turn it on or off.  i have it off.
[09:24] <eagles0513875> hahah Dr_Willis what key did you hit to continue
[09:24] <rxd> robin0800: ah ok maybe when u install karmic on the hd so u get ext4, been using it on a usb so i have aufs
[09:24] <arrrghhh> and like i said, no keyboard, it hangs at grub...
[09:24] <Dr_Willis> I had to many issues with my headless fileserver.. so i left a mini keyboard and a small lcd hooked up..
[09:25] <arrrghhh> yea, i'm thinking i'm goin to have to...
[09:25] <arrrghhh> this is just supposed to be a little music box in the bedroom.  it's stupid, i don't do anything with everything plugged in and it all goes great.  i unplug monitor/keyboard, nothing f-in works.  murphy's law i guess.
[09:26] <arrrghhh> i guess i'm glad my headless server wasn't this hard.  that would've been depressing if i had it all set, then just wouldn't work cuz there was no keyboard/monitor plugged in!
[09:26] <oldude67> ok now that is installed now what..i just have a screen with the ip of the computer i want to get stuff out of at the top and a blank screen?
[09:27] <Dr_Willis> i had issues with fscking after power outages and stuff.. it would ask to hit a key to continue/recover/whatever.. but with no monitor i never saw the messages
[09:27] <bad_one> anybody noticed memory leak in Xorg?
[09:27] <rxd> http://code.google.com/p/sfs-technology/ <- will sfs be on karmic
[09:27] <bad_one> mine eats more than a gig of ram
[09:27] <arrrghhh> Dr_Willis, yea.  i was hopin to set this thing up so if it reboots or whatever, it would just come back to a functional state.
[09:29] <arrrghhh> i'll fiddle with the bios some more.  sigh, i had high hopes for this box :P
[09:31] <oldude67> oh well its late and im tired so im going for the night..ya all have a good one...laters
[09:31] <ppq> hello. is it possible to use alsa in karmic - without pulseaudio? the gnome-volume-control-applet and the "sound" settings dialogue disappeared after killing and purging pulseaudio. i can't use pulse because then my 5.1 setup doesn't work properly (no LFE / "subwoofer"), no matter which surround config-preset i choose in the mentioned sound settings dialogue. using alsamixer to turn on lfe doesn't work. i don't want to go without the gnome mixer and the gno
[09:31] <ppq> me soundsystem because then the vol up/down keys on my remote (XF86Audio* events) doesn't work.
[09:31] <rxd> looks like sfs is the future for every distro, like loading and detaching them on the fly
[09:32] <compaq> hello everyone. I'm having some issues with stasks on Kubuntu 9.10 beta. It doesn't display anything, does someone have any idea ?
[09:38] <rsk> looking Machtin
[09:38] <rsk> that's definatly drm'd i belive
[09:42] <micahg> anyone have their akregator feeds killed with the last update?
[09:46] <EruditeHermit> hi is anyone on karmic with fglrx?
[09:46] <vega-_> does anyone else get  fairly large grey rectangle in the upper left corner when logging in to gnome (with proprietary nvidia drivers) ? it stays there during whole login process
[09:46] <vega-_> size almost 1/4 of the screen
[09:47] <lemonade> vega: when did it appear? i haven't noticed it yet
[09:47] <lemonade> and what version of drivers are you using
[09:47] <vega-_> not sure, maybe few weeks
[09:47] <vega-_> i've been upgrading to the latest versions, although have to admit i don't use ubuntu-packaged ones
[09:49] <lemonade> i use i'm using 190 from ppa's too, but no glitches
[09:49] <Machtin> rsk: :) kay thanks
[09:49] <lemonade> -"i use"
[09:49] <gameplayer> hello, i've got lot of messages (CPU0: Temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled) during boot sequence, is there anything known about it ?
[09:53] <Machtin> rsk: got it :) worked with a tool called makemkv
[10:03] <rsk> \o/
[10:04] <bullgard> I cannot play a youtube video on Firefox 3.5.3. For example http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-1685198260066003210&ei=wtHaSuguk5jYAsbL6. How to find out what package do I need to install additionally?
[10:07] <bullgard> ppq No good idea to get rid of Pulse audio.
[10:08] <joaopinto> bullgard, it plains fine here with the regular flash plugin from the repositories
[10:08] <joaopinto> plays
[10:08] <ioka> guys is there a problem if i download adpbe flashplugin from adobe page ?
[10:09] <ioka> I tried the one from repositories it is not working very well
[10:09] <ioka> I do not know what none-free plugin from repositories is, so I did not tried it
[10:10] <bullgard> joaopinto: What is the name of the package in the repositories of the regular adobe flash plugin?
[10:10] <Jordan_U> bullgard: flashplugin-installer
[10:10] <ioka> yes that was what I tried
[10:11] <ioka> I can not control the slider when movies are played
[10:11] <ioka> so I got rid of it
[10:11] <ioka> is the one from adobe page the same as flashplugin-installer?
[10:12] <kbmaniac> 'listen' media player plays but no audio, any ideas ?
[10:12] <Jordan_U> ioka: Yes
[10:12] <ioka> ok
[10:12] <ioka> and what is none-free then?
[10:12] <ioka> the none-free adobe
[10:13] <Jordan_U> ioka: It's what flashplugin-install used to be named, it's just a transitional package
[10:13] <Jordan_U> ioka: If you install flashplugin-nonfree it just installs flashplugin-installer
[10:15] <ioka> so the three are all the same.- none-free=adobe-installer and the one from abobe page
[10:16] <blackest_knight1> blackest_knight1: /nick blackest_knight
[10:16] <blackest_knight1> bum
[10:16] <ElijahCMenifee> the non-free stuff tends to be free as in beer not free as in speech packages
[10:17] <ioka> wrong architecture I got when i tried to install the package from adobe page
[10:17] <ElijahCMenifee> 64 bit vs 32?
[10:17] <ioka> they only have flash for linux, i can not choose between 64 and 32 bt
[10:18] <ioka> I 'll try the one from repolsitories again
[10:18] <Dr_Willis> i just get the one that comes with Ubuntu-restricted-extras package
[10:18] <Jordan_U> ioka: They have a beta version that is 64 bit native
[10:18] <Dr_Willis> yea.. got grub2 to boot a ubuntu iso from a usb vfat formated flash drive.
[10:19] <ioka> how can find out if a package in synaptics is from restricted extras?
[10:19] <ioka> I wanna try that one
[10:19] <Jordan_U> ioka: It is
[10:20] <ElijahCMenifee> Dr_Willis, that is cool, you ought to write a mini HowTo for that
[10:20] <Dr_Willis> its like 3 lines. :)
[10:20] <bullgard> ioka: Look at the left-hand pane of Synaptic.
[10:20] <ElijahCMenifee> Dr_Willis, ok then a nano-howto ;-p
[10:20] <Dr_Willis> femto
[10:21] <Dr_Willis> for some odd reason i had to dd, then repartition/format my flash to remove traces of syslinux I guess - that was some how conflcting with grub2
[10:22] <Dr_Willis> ElijahCMenifee:  i followed (redid) the following page http://www.panticz.de/MultiBootUSB
[10:22] <Jordan_U> Dr_Willis: Do  you know if most liveCDs that support isofrom keep thier kernels in the same place ( like  /syslinux/vmlinuz /syslinux/initrd ) ?
[10:22] <Dr_Willis> Jordan_U:  from the 2 ive tried that works... theres no standard. :(
[10:22] <Dr_Willis> Jordan_U:  it would be nice if they all got togeher and did the same thing.
[10:23] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu seems to keep theirs in  /casper/initrd.lz
[10:23] <Dr_Willis> grml -> /boot/grmlsmall/initrd.gz
[10:23] <Dr_Willis> tiny core -> /boot/tinycore.gz
[10:23] <Dr_Willis> So theres definatly no 'standard' :(
[10:24] <Wellark> NOTE: If some of you are planning to upgrade machines from jaunty to karmic and are using disc crypto you should check this out: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/util-linux/+bug/428435
[10:24] <ElijahCMenifee> ROFL, Dr_Willis I gurantee their is a standard, it is to include a kernel SOMEWHERE in the iso....
[10:25] <Dr_Willis> ElijahCMenifee:  but even the kernel could be named  'ThisIsNotThekernelYouAreLookingFor'
[10:25] <Wellark> and let your friends running crypto know, too
[10:25] <Dr_Willis> :)
[10:25] <Jordan_U> Dr_Willis: Do they at least keep their syslinux config file in the same place?
[10:25] <Dr_Willis> Jordan_U:  grub2 dosent use syslinux :) syslinux.cfg can be in any of like 5 different places also.
[10:26] <Dr_Willis>  ive had to track down a few issues where a setup i made was using the wrong syslinux.cfg
[10:26] <Dr_Willis> i was editing /syslinux.cfg when the thing was using /syslinux/syslinux.cfg in the past.
[10:26] <blackest_knight1> Dr_Willis: hi there any idea how to get rid of a ghost i think i'm on two irc servers
[10:26] <Dr_Willis> blackest_knight1:  they will time out - unless you got 2 clients open and just minmized
[10:26] <Jordan_U> blackest_knight1: Is your nick registered?
[10:27] <Dr_Willis> or use teh ghost commands for nickserv
[10:27] <Dr_Willis> !ghost
[10:27] <blackest_knight1> Jordan_U:   my blackest_knight nick is registered this version blackest_knight1 isnt
[10:28] <blackest_knight1> cool
[10:31] <bullgard> I installed flashplugin-installer, restarted Firefox 3.5.3. Now Firefox plays the video. --  Thank you for your help.
[10:31] <blackest_knight> done it
[10:31] <ioka> every time I boot up the network manager icon in notification area is messed up.I can not use it.I have to restart the notification area (remove and then geit it back) in order to able to use network manager.This happens after I added lines in rc.local file.Can I use different approach to permantly change my MAC so I do not need to do it manuallly every time?
[10:32] <hetauma> any1 having problems installind addons onto firefox? (from the addons window within firefox) I select the addon I want to install and then it's connecting..... for ages
[10:32] <Jordan_U> ioka: You can set your mac address in System > Preferences > Network
[10:33] <ioka> and is there a way to get rid of the popup messages from from network manager.I know when netwrok is down or not :)
[10:33] <ioka> 10x
[10:35] <joaopinto> why would you need to set a MAC address ?
[10:35] <blackest_knight> should a diary app be a flat file or a database ?
[10:35] <Dr_Willis> joaopinto:  i asked that the othe day also.. i dont recall gettting an answer then :)
[10:36] <vega-_> joaopinto: some cheap nic's recycle mac addresses, which can lead to same mac address in a network -> problems
[10:36] <vega-_> that's one reason i've had to resort to changing the mac
[10:37] <vega-_> or use mac addresses of other manufacturers
[10:37] <blackest_knight> vega-_:  you have had that problem ? or has someone cloned it :/
[10:37] <ElijahCMenifee> also some macs are software based drivers only no hardware(virtualization...)
[10:37]  * Dr_Willis wants a Big Mac.
[10:38] <vega-_> blackest_knight: that's atleast what my ISP told me, that my MAC was clashing with somebody else's, everything work ok after i changed the mac
[10:38] <blackest_knight> Dr_Willis: those things will kill you
[10:38] <Dr_Willis> blackest_knight:  :) but what a way to go.
[10:39] <ioka> yes I need to clone a mac.And in system>preferences>network i do not see how to change mac.there is no such option.maybe I need to install a package
[10:39] <blackest_knight> Dr_Willis: flat on your back in the back of an ambulance sirens blaring isn't a great way to go
[10:39] <ElijahCMenifee> 48bit was just not large enough....ioka you need to clone for software licenseing?
[10:39] <Dr_Willis> ioka:  i see a settings for MAC address here.
[10:39] <ioka> it does not really mater why
[10:39] <Dr_Willis> under the 'wired tab'
[10:40] <blackest_knight> Dr_Willis: I had a heart attack in july and its grease thats the killer
[10:40] <Dr_Willis> blackest_knight:  i bet its the long hours on IRC thats the real killer. :)
[10:40] <Dr_Willis> and the stress from running Beta disrtos...
[10:41] <blackest_knight> Dr_Willis:  your oing to die before me then :p
[10:41]  * Dr_Willis goes back to Bocca Veggie Burgers
[10:41] <ioka> there is no wired tab.what package do u use.in default there is no system>preferences>network .I had to installed in from sysnaptics
[10:42] <blackest_knight> beta running isnt bad its the poor erm people who have to fix the f..problems when they break X yet again
[10:42] <Dr_Willis> I just went to system -> Preferances -> network connections.. Clicked on 'Auto Eth1' then 'edit' and its on a tab therer
[10:42] <blackest_knight> or push pulse
[10:43] <NinjaPlimsolls> hi willis
[10:43] <Dr_Willis> same way to get to it -> right cliock on the network-manager icon, edit connections
[10:44] <Dr_Willis> Hiddly Ho NinjaPlimsolls
[10:44] <ElijahCMenifee> so far I am happy with pulse, cant wait till we get out of beta so we can get this version of pulse at the office, current version at work is totally borked
[10:44] <Dr_Willis> I finally got rid of the sound popping due to card going to sleep  issue on this box.
[10:45] <blackest_knight> ElijahCMenifee:  have you a second audio device because that seems to cause problems (actually i think i'm out of date)
[10:45] <ElijahCMenifee> Dr_Willis, you realize that Bocca (depending on exact patty type) still has dairy and/or egg binders?
[10:45] <ioka> my mistake.I'm looking system>administration.network. I found the one you are talking about.I thought that that field is to connect always to the device with a specified mac.At least this is what the help massage says.I'll try it .
[10:46] <ElijahCMenifee> blackest_knight, no at work we just have on board nvidia A97 but we have finally got fed up enough to not wait for the next LTS for our workstations
[10:47] <blackest_knight> There was a place in my old town that did great vegeburgers until one day someone asked what they cooked in - beef fat
[10:47] <ElijahCMenifee> ROFL blackest_knight
[10:47] <bazhang> hsarci, what is the issue with amarok in karmic
[10:48] <blackest_knight> ElijahCMenifee:  I have 2 tv cards and that caused server failure retry cycling and 100% CPU use
[10:49] <hsarci> bazhang, when launching amorak it starts two other process, one called "kde glocal shortcut server" and one called "kde http cache something"
[10:49] <hsarci> bazhang, both processes stall for about a minute, then amarok is usable
[10:49] <ElijahCMenifee> also this karmic seems to be first version with decent alsa for my sb-xifi at home, I have been maintaining OSS with ESD just to get sound
[10:50] <bazhang> hsarci, and have you checked in preferences to disable unnecessary items
[10:50] <ElijahCMenifee> blackest_knight, ouch guess not all the bugs with pulse audio are worked out yet, but it has defentaly gotten better
[10:50] <blackest_knight> is release going to be this month or is it going to be delayed ?
[10:50] <hsarci> bazhang, in amaorok preferences?
[10:51] <bazhang> blackest_knight, this month, if all goes well
[10:51] <blackest_knight> can amorok cope with playing files on a network share yet ?
[10:51] <ElijahCMenifee> blackest_knight, do not know, in a way I hope it will get released but have them delay LTS the 6.06 was very stable the 8.04 was rushed I am hopping for a 10.06...
[10:56] <blackest_knight> is there a good place for suggestions mobile networking is not very obvious as to how to connect
[10:57] <hsarci> bazhang, it also does other weird things, for example. I just quit amorak then restarted it...uppon restarting it a process called "knotify" opened and stall for about 20 seconds then dissapeared from the taskbar. But amorak is unasable now, the icon is present in the tray but it does nothing.
[10:57] <blackest_knight> i never noticed till my ex rang me early one morning asking how to get online
[10:59] <xguru> blackest_knight: wireless should be easy with the network manager applet
[10:59] <xguru> what is your problem exactly?
[11:02] <blackest_knight> well for me its easy enough right click the network icon and select the provider , but for some one coming from a windows background its a bit too subtle , a menu item under internet perhaps would make more sense like the thevodaphone mobile connect, also how do you start it when x isnt working ?
[11:02] <tgpraveen> !info banshee
[11:04] <xguru> blackest_knight: from command line it is considerably more difficult
[11:04] <robin0800> blackest_knight: I prefer kppp but it still needs setting up and won't connect until x is up
[11:05] <xguru> blackest_knight: here is a good how to....  it kinda assumes you have some command line knowledge..   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=571188
[11:05] <ioka> the network icon is messed up again.Probably it is a bug and the changings in rc.local file does not matter.You can not change mac in system>preferences>network.The mac address field is to connect to the device not to change your own mac.So the help message is true.
[11:06] <blackest_knight> xguru:  i know I have karmic on a system with the modem the eth0 is forwarding to the wan port of a router which feeds the rest of my lan, x breaks on a kernel upgrade and i'm in trouble.
[11:06] <hsarci> bazhang, exiting and restarting amarok makes the program unusable
[11:07] <robin0800> hsarci: its working here!
[11:08] <blackest_knight> xguru: luckily my netbook can fill in that role with a spare ethernet cable
[11:08] <hsarci> robin0800, your on karmic with gnome?
[11:08] <robin0800> hsarci: yes
[11:08]  * Dr_Willis installs amarok to test
[11:08] <xguru> blackest_knight: did you look at that site?  seemed helpful
[11:08] <hsarci> *sigh*
[11:08] <bazhang> hsarci, and the icon is still in the panel?
[11:09] <hsarci> bazhang, yeah, cpu at 100% for he process too
[11:09] <gorthaug> Hi, I've a Sound Blaster 16 sound card, in Ubuntu 9.04 it's works perfectly, but in this beta i've no input sound, what happend? the sound card still working, tested in Ubuntu 9.04 livecd and windows xp... What can i configure to have my input sound back?
[11:09] <hsarci> if i forcekill then repoen, it works fine
[11:09] <bazhang> hsarci, what does clicking on the icon bring up either right or left click
[11:09] <hsarci> but it always launches other processes "knotify, kglobal shortcut server"
[11:10] <hsarci> bazhang, no, icon doesnt do anything..thats why i said it doesnt work
[11:11] <bazhang> hsarci, amarok will go to tray and still be active; do you have more than one process running? open top in terminal and take a look (open terminal and type top)
[11:11] <Armageddon> !upgrade
[11:11] <ElijahCMenifee> !downgrade
[11:11] <robin0800> hsarci: that probably means it crashed........on first run did it ask for kde password
[11:11] <blackest_knight> xguru:  is helpful for wifi but not seen anything for ppp i guess wvdial would do it thou
[11:12] <hsarci> bazhang, *sigh* i know how tray works....it goes into tray and crashes, then i have to force kill it. then i reopen it and it works. then if i close it and try to reopen, it goes back to tray and crashes
[11:12] <bazhang> hsarci, why the sigh
[11:12] <robin0800> blackest_knight: gnome-ppp or kppp
[11:12] <ElijahCMenifee> !iscsi boot
[11:12] <gorthaug> anybody can help me with my input sound?
[11:12] <hsarci> robin0800, kwallet manager appeared first time and asked for pass, i chose to no use kwallet and pressed "finish"
[11:12] <xguru> yea, kppp is always good
[11:13] <hsarci> bazhang, becaue its not a problem related to something as silly as me not right clicking on a tray icon or opening multiple instances
[11:13] <robin0800> hsarci: what version do you have?
[11:13] <hsarci> karmic...
[11:13] <bazhang> hsarci, sounds like a bug
[11:14] <robin0800> hsarci: amarok version?
[11:14] <hsarci> robin0800, whatever verion is in the repos
[11:14] <bazhang> hsarci, running beta software can be frustrating, but people are trying to help you.
[11:14]  * Dr_Willis tries to make amarok crash...
[11:15] <hsarci> should i "apt-get remove kde*" then try "apt-get install armarok"?
[11:15] <hsarci> amarok*
[11:15] <Dr_Willis> cool. its showing all the wiki pages for my anime music  :)
[11:15] <Armageddon> how do I upgrade from a CD ?
[11:15] <bazhang> hsarci, you stated previously you had completely removed kde
[11:15] <hsarci> bazhang, correct
[11:15] <bazhang> Armageddon, from jaunty? use the alternate cd
[11:15] <robin0800> Dr_Willis: try clicking on an album picture in the playlist one its not found
[11:16] <Armageddon> can't I use the original CD ?
[11:16] <hsarci> bazhang, but when armok installs it installs tons of kde packages with it
[11:16] <hsarci> !puregnome
[11:16] <Armageddon> the beta one ?
[11:16] <bazhang> Armageddon, the livecd? no
[11:16] <Armageddon> damn
[11:16] <blackest_knight> Dr_Willis: try playing audio from a networked location :)
[11:16] <Armageddon> I need to download 700MB
[11:16] <Armageddon> !karmic
[11:20] <Dr_Willis> well the cd is 700mb.. then theres proberly another 300+mb in updates after the cd was released.
[11:20] <Dr_Willis> :)
[11:20] <MrcredsAlex> rofl
[11:21] <Dr_Willis> but he missed that. :)
[11:22] <MrcredsAlex> Maybe he just doesn't install updates?
[11:22] <gorthaug> I've a Sound Blaster 16 sound card, in Ubuntu 9.04 it's works perfectly, but in this beta i've no input sound, what happend? the sound card still working, tested in Ubuntu 9.04 livecd and windows xp... What can i configure to have my input sound back?
[11:22] <hsarci> *sigh* im gonna do a fresh install and start from ubnutu instead of kubuntu
[11:22] <mortal> sb16, that is ancient
[11:23] <mortal> my first computer had one
[11:23] <gorthaug> yes, but still working
[11:23] <mortal> and a friend had a crappy clone which buzzed lol
[11:24] <ElijahCMenifee> mortal, not that ancient my first computer had a tv-speaker
[11:24] <MrcredsAlex> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-354315.html
[11:25] <gorthaug> well i've output sound, the problem it's that i don't have input...
[11:27] <ElijahCMenifee> goodnight people
[11:27] <htrejh> goodnight
[11:28] <htrejh> hello all, how can i e
[11:28] <htrejh> how can i remove pulseaudio and revert to alsa on karmic?
[11:28] <htrejh> i removed all pulseaudio* packages, but the sound configurator doesn't work anymore
[11:31] <capiira> hi hi anyone have am idea how to get a broadcom wireless nic to work since there exist no more linux-restricted-modules package?
[11:31] <bazhang> !find linux-restricted-modules
[11:32] <bazhang> wow
[11:32] <capiira> i saw that there is that bcmwl-kernel-source
[11:32] <capiira> but requires dkms that is not on the beta live cd
[11:32] <bazhang> right that is it, plus one other
[11:33] <capiira> yeah
[11:33] <bazhang> one other 'wl'
[11:33] <capiira> modaliases or so
[11:33] <bazhang> !find bcmwl
[11:33] <capiira> :D
[11:33] <bazhang> nice
[11:33] <capiira> yeah but dependence is dkms
[11:33] <htrejh> any idea how i can get the old sound configurator? or manually set everything back to alsa?
[11:34] <capiira> and my nic does not work to :/
[11:34] <capiira> i'm jailed in ubuntu
[11:34] <capiira> old sound configurator ?
[11:35] <capiira> new one is caleld pulse audio
[11:35] <htrejh> yea, but the gui, i want to set all back to ALSA!
[11:35] <capiira> ahh
[11:35] <capiira> hmm
[11:35] <bazhang> I saw dt chen recommend doing a sneakernet of packages via usb, then compiling; easiest would be to use ethernet to install them though
[11:37] <capiira> hmmm dunno htrejh
[11:37] <capiira> maybe over gconf-editor
[11:39] <ioka_> is there a way to write a script to restart automatically notification area where network manager icon is?
[11:39] <ioka_> on every boot
[11:40] <capiira> htrejh, what up with asoundconf-gtk ?
[11:40] <capiira> try that
[11:41] <capiira> Applet to select the default ALSA sound card
[11:41] <capiira> dunno
[11:41] <capiira> browse the package manager for alsa or so
[11:43] <capiira> hrrr
[11:43] <capiira> will have to dl all the dependancies of dkms and install it from usb stic
[11:43] <capiira> stick
[11:45] <zer0x> Is anyone here getting the EDAC/ECC error with the new 2.6.31-14-generic or 31-9-rt kernels?
[11:45] <invitingdopeman> when is ubuntu 9.10 coming out
[11:45] <zer0x> invitingdopeman: oct 29 :D
[11:45] <joaopinto> !karmic
[11:45] <capiira> karmic works nice as long everything you need is on live cd :D
[11:46] <invitingdopeman> awesome when we update will we lose all are original stuff or will it all stay the same like peronal info programs ect.
[11:46] <bazhang> invitingdopeman, via apt-get?
[11:46] <capiira> whats original stuff ?
[11:47] <invitingdopeman> like will it be a frsh install or will it just update
[11:47] <capiira> if you update then it will be a update
[11:47] <invitingdopeman> lol duh
[11:48] <bad_one> anybody noticed memory leak in Xorg?
[11:48] <bazhang> version upgrade ie not fresh install will keep all settings
[11:48] <bad_one> mine eats more than a gig of ram
[11:48] <capiira> your settings is inside your  home
[11:48] <bazhang> if you have a separate home partition then a fresh install will leave them alone
[11:48] <zer0x> anyone getting this, and apport reporting request..
[11:48] <zer0x> EDAC amd64: WARNING: ECC is NOT currently enabled by the BIOS. Module will NOT be loaded.
[11:48] <capiira> i dont think there is an applciation that changed so much that requires new config files
[11:48] <invitingdopeman> i was just wondering like will it erase my original OS and be completley new
[11:49] <capiira> will not be dual boot!
[11:49] <bazhang> invitingdopeman, no, unless you wipe the old one
[11:49] <invitingdopeman> right on thanks
[11:50] <capiira> yeah i will probably have to install 9.04 then update to 9.10 on my netbook
[11:51] <capiira> there is no easy way to install dkms without network
[11:51] <bazhang> capiira, install jaunty via unetbootin?
[11:51] <capiira> or do anybody know a apt-get command to just download with all dependancies ?
[11:51] <capiira> jaunty works fine
[11:52] <bad_one> man apt-get
[11:52] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. what was the name of that tool that let you run several pc;s with a single keybaord/mouse. I never can spellit right.
[11:52] <Dr_Willis> Syngery syengery?
[11:52] <capiira> synergy
[11:53] <Dr_Willis> thats almost the same name as the Local electric company :)
[11:53] <Dr_Willis> theres even a gui for it in 9.10 - cool.
[11:54] <invitingdopeman> has anyone download the beta 9........10
[11:54] <invitingdopeman> whoops
[11:55] <invitingdopeman> has anyone downloaded the beta for 9.10
[11:55] <newbie> Hello. Since an update yesterday evening, I can't log  in.  I try to log in with a new user, but without result.
[11:55] <newbie> What should Ido?
[11:55] <Dr_Willis> invitingdopeman:  the beta has been out for some time now.. so yes. most of us have downloaded it.
[11:55] <ioka_> where do u try to login?
[11:55] <ioka_> in your pc?
[11:55] <invitingdopeman> whats new with it
[11:56] <mac_v> tgpraveen: ping!
[11:56] <Dr_Willis> invitingdopeman:  everything..
[11:56] <ioka_> it has some nast popup from the network manager that can not be turned off
[11:56] <tgpraveen> mac_v: pong
[11:56] <zer0x> Anyone here running 2.6.31.14-generic x86_64???
[11:56] <mac_v> tgpraveen: are you working on a patch for the notify-osd? to not inhibit the notifications?
[11:57] <newbie> I can just log in on root when I start in failsafe mode and type: startx. But gdm or kdm failse: the session last 1/2 s, showing only a black screen
[11:57] <tgpraveen> mac_v: sadly no my programming skills are not at all up to the mark
[11:57] <tgpraveen> for any real programming
[11:57] <tgpraveen> are you going to do it? it won't be in karmic anyways
[11:58] <mac_v> wth!
[11:58] <invitingdopeman> how do i use beta9.10 without overriding my existing 9.04
[11:58] <mac_v> tgpraveen: why wont it be in karmic?
[11:58] <bazhang> invitingdopeman, I just explained that to you
[11:58] <tgpraveen> a. mark, and some more members from design team were against it.
[11:59] <newbie> I have an error message like this: unable to find /var/lib/gdm/.ICEauthority, but this file exists and is writtable. There is also a problem with gconf2
[11:59] <tgpraveen> b. too late for this change
[11:59] <zer0x> surely someone here is on the latest 64-bit kernel?? xD
[11:59] <tgpraveen> mac_v: I expect in lucid there will be a DND mode. and it will get sorted out
[11:59] <mac_v> tgpraveen: who other than mark? it is just him
[11:59] <tgpraveen> till then ...
[11:59] <Dr_Willis> invitingdopeman:  safest way . test it in virtualbox
[12:00] <Dr_Willis> zer0x:  given that i just updated about an hr+ ago.. i proberly am.
[12:00] <invitingdopeman> how od i get virtuil box please?
[12:00] <invitingdopeman> do
[12:00] <tgpraveen> well nobody else seemed to be in against the change
[12:00] <tgpraveen> or for it
[12:00] <Dr_Willis> !virtualbox | invitingdopeman
[12:00] <mac_v> tgpraveen: they dont speak because he owns their ass ;p
[12:00] <bazhang> invitingdopeman, install from the repos via synaptic package manager
[12:00] <tgpraveen> mac_v: ya true
[12:00] <invitingdopeman> ok thanks so very much
[12:00] <tgpraveen> mac_v: have you had a chat with mpt or anybody else from design team
[12:00] <zer0x> Dr_Willis: ah :D 64-bit yes? do you have a warning about EDAC / ECC in your /var/log/messages ?
[12:01] <mac_v> tgpraveen: yeah , all said it was mark ;) hence they dont know what to do
[12:02] <tgpraveen> mac_v: yeah I guess so don't waste ur time. wait for lucid. that time the correct solution will be done hopefully
[12:02] <zer0x> Dr_Willis: and are you getting a kernel oops crash report every now and again? :D
[12:02] <xguru> is there an easy way to start ubuntu without x?  like just have it boot to the tty screen and login there, then if i want startx?
[12:02] <Dr_Willis> zer0x:  theres a known bug about that and it seems to have somthing to do with the nvidia drivers.
[12:03] <zer0x> Dr_Willis: I am getting it with the latest fglrx, I think its BIOS related...
[12:03] <Dr_Willis> ive not been paying much attention to it zer0x  i looked it up..  the threads i read said its bein gworked on.. and thats about all i know
[12:04] <zer0x> Dr_Willis: ah cheers, do you actually get the error yourself? if so what motherboard do you have?
[12:06] <Dr_Willis> willis@cow:~$ dmesg | grep ecc
[12:06] <Dr_Willis> [    7.677991]     Either Enable ECC in the BIOS, or use the 'ecc_enable_override' parameter.
[12:06] <newbie> ioka_: Yes I am trying to log on my PC
[12:06] <Dr_Willis> this is a gateway gt5482e - No idea what MB it has.
[12:06] <newbie> from my PC
[12:07] <zer0x> Dr_Willis: ah, so you get the apport crash alert?
[12:08] <Dr_Willis> I get dozens of those things a day
[12:09] <ioka_> newbie : I'm a too noob to be able to help you resolve  that.sorry
[12:10] <htrejh> htrejh
[12:10] <newbie> ioka_: ok :(
[12:10] <ioka_> the pc does not recognize your password?
[12:11] <Dr_Willis> You some how frogot your password?
[12:11] <ioka_> what exactly is your problem
[12:11] <ioka_> maybe the os resets it or something.It happens in windows
[12:12] <Dr_Willis> that dosetn just 'happen' in linux...
[12:12] <mobi-sheep> !lnw :)
[12:12] <mobi-sheep> !lnw
[12:13] <ioka_> in software sources I see installable from cd-rom  cdrom ubuntu 9.10  officially supported restricted copyright.What is this?
[12:13] <newbie> !loggin
[12:13] <mobi-sheep> If you miss the viruses in Windows, I'm sorry! We can't provide you viruses in linux! :(
[12:14] <ioka_> I think there is a software that can resets linux password if it not too complicated.search for that
[12:14] <zer0x> Dr_Willis: dozens a day!? :D I must be lucky this is the first one I've had since beta :D
[12:14] <mobi-sheep> ioka_: You can use CD as your source/repo.  Useful for machines without network or have limited networking bandwidth.
[12:15] <Dr_Willis> zer0x:  i get a few of those 'your kenrel has done somthing bad.. (thats from the ecc thing im guessing) and then the devkit- incontroll of usb/media is constantly crashing also
[12:15] <ioka_> 10x a lot.I thought it was somethign else :) as usual
[12:15] <Hukka> Grub: "error: file not found\n Failed to boot default entries"
[12:15] <Hukka> Trying Karmic, didn't install any custom kernels or anything, just rebooted
[12:15] <Hukka> Is there a way to get to the normal grub menu in Karmic? Now it just tries to autoboot something and fails miserably
[12:16] <ioka_> where can i find repositories to add.see other software tab
[12:16] <tgpraveen> !wait
[12:16] <Tallken> Hukka: try holding SHIFT
[12:16] <joaopinto> !ppa | ioka_
[12:16] <Tallken> !grub2
[12:17] <Hukka> Tallken: That works, thank you
[12:17] <newbie> My bug is known but has a low priority: I can't use my OS but it's a low priority: bullshit!! bug #432492
[12:17] <Hukka> Hm, selecting a kernel there works
[12:17] <zer0x> Dr_Willis: ah, well cheers for the info! I'm just really hoping this isn't specific to GIGABYTE motherboards.. I'm getting the impression it might be :/
[12:17] <Hukka> So now the question is what happened to grub settings and why
[12:18] <Tallken> !grub2 | Hukka
[12:18] <zer0x> anyhow, the machine is still running fine :D Back to ET:QW!!
[12:18] <timber> i'm having a problem and i don't know why it's happening...when i go in some folders that contains .avi files, they doesn't appear, the mouse pointer stays reloading and no file is shown....did you see that?
[12:18] <Hukka> Tallken: Yes, I know that it's grub2...
[12:18] <Tallken> Hukka: probably the page won't help ya, but you never know. I found out some useful info there to a friend who did an upgrade
[12:18] <penguin42> timber: I haven't got that, but my guess would be there's a problem with what ever makes the thumbnails
[12:19] <Tallken> Hukka: it's just the generic response :p
[12:19] <Hukka> Tallken: I doubt it's a problem in grub itself anyway
[12:19] <Tallken> Hukka: ok, good luck then :)
[12:19] <Hukka> Some other package must have meddled with the configuration and landed on it's face
[12:19] <Hukka> I doubt it's easy to find out which one, but should be worth it
[12:19] <bullgard> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2: "Some of the GRUB 2 scheduled improvements include: * a graphical interface, including theming;"  --  What is 'theming'?
[12:20] <Hukka> Having the computer become unbootable on a software update would be pretty major, if it happened on a release version
[12:20] <timber> penguin42: and is there a solution or a way to confirm is that the problem?
[12:20] <Gabbie> Hi guys, I've got 9.10 server 64 running on a vm, i selected to encrypt my home directory during the instalation, does this mean I can't export a sub dir of my home dir through nfs?
[12:20] <penguin42> timber: Not sure really, It's just a guess on my part - I think there is something somewhere to turn off thumbnails
[12:21] <ioka_> I tried to reinstall privoxy, because there is a bug in it.That's why it does not wanna start at boot up.Some says reinstallation helps sometimes.It did not download it.just installs is again.Does ubuntu keeps every package it downloads from repolsitories?
[12:22] <ioka_> *it
[12:22] <Gabbie> Or is it an ext4 thing instead?
[12:22] <timber> penguin42: should i report a bug?
[12:22] <Gabbie> ioka_, it does yes
[12:23] <penguin42> timber: Yes; if the thing doesn't display your files it's a bug!
[12:23] <ioka_> how can I delete them?i do not want that.It is waste of space
[12:23] <Dr_Willis> !apt | ioka_
[12:23] <legend2440> ioka_: sudo apt-get clean
[12:23] <Dr_Willis> ioka_:  the cache gets cleaned after a while. its not worth worrying about
[12:23] <mobi-sheep> ioka_: The packages are stored temporarily. You probably don't have lot of packages.
[12:26] <ioka_> !synaptic
[12:26] <timber> penguin42: ok...i'm reporting
[12:28] <Gabbie> Anyone?
[12:28] <ioka_> where is the cache directory of downloaded packages?
[12:28] <legend2440> /var/cache/apt/archives
[12:28] <penguin42> ioka_: /var/cache/apt/archives from memory
[12:33] <ioka_> what is the equivalent to task manager for windows in ubuntu?
[12:33] <Dr_Willis> Hmm,, QuickSynergy  needs work...
[12:34] <penguin42> ioka_: system->administration->system monitor
[12:34] <ioka_> 10x
[12:36] <ioka_> I have so many processes .And they eat my memory.
[12:36] <penguin42> ioka_: A bit but don't worry about having a lot of processes
[12:37] <ioka_> I do nto have a lot ot ram.So I'm kind of worried
[12:38] <penguin42> ioka_: As long as you have swap it'll be OK but maybe slow; do things like using the simplest theme, keep desktop effects off, and like that - if you're really short on memory you might want to try xubuntu
[12:39] <ioka_> how to prevent some processes from start.i just killed update notifier.I do not need that since I'm manually updating regularly
[12:39] <Gabbie> Hey guys, how can I change home dirs from being encrypted to not?
[12:39] <penguin42> ioka_: system->preferences->startup applications
[12:40] <ioka_> xubuntu does not have a keyboard layout switcher or maybe it was different layouts someting like that.i tried it once
[12:42] <penguin42> ioka_: I'd be surprised if there wasn't a way to do that in xubuntu
[12:43] <ioka_> at least not a easy way.I thinkg
[12:43] <ioka_> *think
[12:43] <ioka_> if the process is sleeping than it still uses memory, right?
[12:43] <ioka_> *then
[12:44] <penguin42> ioka_: Yeh, but if it's sleeping for a long time it'll have got swapped out to disc so it's not really a big problem as you have plenty of swap
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> This is linux.. dont worry about the little stuff. :)
[12:45] <Dr_Willis> spend the time learning bash, or python.. or how to use gimp
[12:46] <ioka_> yes this would be wise.However i'm worried that there are so many commands that it will take years to learn them all so i can use bash scripting freely
[12:46] <penguin42> hmm time for breakfast
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> With that attitude you will never learn any of them
[12:47] <penguin42> ioka_: Learn a bit at a time, no one really knows everything; just write some small scripts from time to time
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> 90% of all the stuff i do is with about 10 commands.
[12:47] <ioka_> anyone knows the commands that can kill and then restart notification area?
[12:49] <iceroot> karmic still supporting ext2?
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> iceroot:  of course.
[12:49] <iceroot> Dr_Willis: thx
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> why wouldent it? :)
[12:50] <iceroot> Dr_Willis: because there are ext3+4
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> ext2 is backwards compat with ext3..
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> so the differances tween the 2 are just a journal i belive
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> and ext2 has been  a standard for years.. so  i doubt if they will remove it this centuary
[12:50] <iceroot> Dr_Willis: sounds good, thank you
[12:51] <Dr_Willis> ext4 and ext3 are also sorta of backwars/forwards compatiable.
[12:52] <iceroot> Dr_Willis: i am running with with ext2 on ssd, so i dont need/want an (risky) upgrade to ext3 or 4
[12:52] <iceroot> running fine
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> it wont force a upgrade of your filesystems
[12:52] <iceroot> Dr_Willis: yes, i was just thinkg if karmic doesnt support ext2, its maybe upgrading it
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> it would never force you to change filesystems.
[12:53] <Dr_Willis> we still have support for MINIX in the os. :)
[12:53] <ikus060> I post my problem yesterday, but know one reply. Since the last upgrade, I've been experiencing problem to display characters. See for you self : http://imagebin.ca/view/3sExIBK.html
[12:53] <iceroot> hehe ok
[12:53] <Dr_Willis> try 'cat /proc/filesystems' to see what your kernel has supported. :)
[12:53] <ikus060> Do any one have similar problem ??
[12:53] <Dr_Willis> of course it only shows loaded modules. :)
[12:54] <iceroot> Dr_Willis: its also grub/lilo which must support a file-system? or only the kernel?
[12:54] <Dr_Willis> iceroot:  grub  has tobe able to read the FS its geting the boot files from. yes.
[12:54] <Dr_Willis> grub2 has a much expanded system for doing that.
[12:55] <N1ckR> Interesting, I've just done back to back boot testing of XFS V EXT4 and in Jaunty XFS was 1s quicker and now in Karmic EXT4 is faster
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> 1 sec faster? :)
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> or 2?
[12:55] <iceroot> Dr_Willis: i will have a look at grub"2". maybe there are nice things like pxe-booting with grub-menu
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> iceroot:  i got grub2 booting an iso file now from a flash drive. :)
[12:56] <N1ckR> 19s to GDM for EXT4, 21s for XFS. Tried all sorts of tweakage for XFS as well.
[12:56]  * Twigathy installed a new copy of Karmic using the mini.iso to a 16GB CompactFlash! :)
[12:56] <Twigathy> No swap though ;)
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> Twigathy:  make a swap file
[12:56] <iceroot> Dr_Willis: iso-booting sounds nice
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> and put it in a ramdisk :)
[12:56] <Twigathy> I have 4GB RAM and have never hit a problem... :>
[12:57] <N1ckR> I've got a 45mb/s CF card, but can't find a fast enough adaptor :(
[12:57] <Twigathy> Why make a ramfs swapfile? Why not just keep everything in RAM?
[12:57] <Dr_Willis> because you can! :)
[12:57] <Twigathy> silly :)
[12:57] <ioka_> I found that .deb package can be build with dkpg and with checkinstall.Which one is better to use?
[12:57] <N1ckR> I'd put your file system journal on CF card as well :
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> checkinstall is a 'dirty' way to make them i recall...
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> !checkinstall
[12:58] <joaopinto> ioka_, learn proper packaging
[12:59] <joaopinto> ioka_, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete
[12:59] <iceroot> dpkg-buildpackage + dh_make with debhelper is running fine :)
[13:03] <gorthaug> i've a problem with my soud card, i don't have input sound... anybody can help me?
[13:10] <Dr_Willis> play with the mixer and ports is what i did for about 20 min one day till i got it recording..  other then that.. no clue gorthaug
[13:11] <Dr_Willis> you might want to try messing with pavucontrol also
[13:17] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: dont get me started on audio
[13:17] <eagles0513875> lol
[13:19] <NinjaPlimsolls> bonjour
[13:20] <wirechief>  /j #alsa
[13:21] <shawn_> Does Empathy not support Client > Phone texting?
[13:27] <Gnimsh> Hey everyone
[13:27] <Gabbie> is 9.10 gonna be lts?
[13:27] <Gnimsh> so I have to switch out my laptop hard drive, the new one's all partitioned and ready to go but I think I should wait til the official release date instead of the beta. Opinions?
[13:27] <Gnimsh> no
[13:27] <Gnimsh> 10.04 will be
[13:27] <shawn_> No
[13:28] <shawn_> Yeah what gnimsh said
[13:28] <Gabbie> :/
[13:28] <shawn_> 10.04 seems like its going to be really good though.  karmic is looking like a good step towards it
[13:28] <Gnimsh> background: 9.10 liveCD told me my hdd is failing via Palimpsest, a real pisser
[13:29] <arand> ioka_: I think checkinstall is the quickest, using the packaging tools would be the "proper" way to do it, and you'd also be able to publish the package in a ppa, or even getting it into ubuntu if done proper...
[13:29] <filgy> Gnimsh: so you have nothing installed on your laptop right now?
[13:30] <Dr_Willis> Gnimsh:  the palimsest tool is a little .... over protective i belive..
[13:30] <Dr_Willis> Gnimsh:  but backups are always a good idea
[13:30] <Gnimsh> now I have 9.04
[13:30] <Gnimsh> It said there are lots of bad sectors on the drive
[13:30] <Gnimsh> its 2 years old so I'd believe it...but the current boot checker has never told me it found any errors
[13:30] <Gnimsh> it just runs and then boots
[13:30] <Dr_Willis> yea. but is that really a good indicator of a drive going bad.. or not is the question.
[13:31] <filgy> sectors can be marked as bad then ignored and the drive will still work okay
[13:31] <Dr_Willis> i ran the segate tools on my drive and yes. it has bad sectors.. but the # has not been increaseing.
[13:31] <arand> Have they still not turned it's reporting level down? I seem to recall it not complaining any more recently...
[13:31] <Gnimsh> from what I've read about bad sectors, the drive will still work but it will continue to degrade
[13:31] <Dr_Willis> it may or may not continue.  kepe an eye on the # of sectors.. and if you are worried about it.. do backups
[13:31] <filgy> Gnimsh: it depends really
[13:31] <shawn_> Is there any way to move the notifier panel thing right now its like 1/4 down my screen
[13:31] <Dr_Willis> my 'flakey' drive is just storage for my video backups. so even if it dies. no big loss.
[13:32] <Gnimsh> backups are already in place
[13:32] <Dr_Willis> and if it dies..it has 4+ yrs left on the warrenty :)
[13:32] <Gnimsh> I find out about this 2 weeks ago, 3 now I guess
[13:32] <arand> Fixing the bad sector sing the vendor tools semm to imply that I have to reformat the whole disk... bleh, that's a project for some other time...
[13:32] <Gnimsh> found*
[13:32] <Gnimsh> heh
[13:32] <Gnimsh> I don't reformat. That's what my partitions are for!
[13:33] <Dr_Willis> arand:  i dident with the seagate tools. but it proberly depends on where the data is at and otehr problems
[13:33] <Dr_Willis> i also saw the bad sectors were near the front.. so i made a little partition near the start of the drive that included them all.
[13:33] <Dr_Willis> and thats just  space for junk. :)
[13:33] <Gnimsh> heh
[13:33] <Gnimsh> I don't even know how to tell where they are
[13:33] <Dr_Willis> wallpaper collection.
[13:34] <Dr_Willis> i bet that palimiset saying drives is bad.. will be a  Top 10 question when this gets released
[13:34] <Dr_Willis> everyone will be saying 'Ubuntu made my drives go bad'
[13:34] <arand> Hmm, I was wondeing... a dd copy -- reformat -- dd back might cause problems if the sector is relocated in between (geometry/mbr disparity?)
[13:35] <Gnimsh> well isn't it just reporting the SMART stats?
[13:35] <Dr_Willis> Gnimsh:  yes. its just reporting smart stats.
[13:35] <Dr_Willis> and from what ive read.. smart is not that great a tool to rely on.
[13:35] <arand> Yea, that's what I've always been thinking, palimpsest is spreading FUD, in it's most pure form.
[13:35] <Dr_Willis> assume your hds are always going bad.. and WILL die.. and have backups.
[13:35] <Dr_Willis> and backup your backups
[13:36] <Dr_Willis>  the hd's ive had die.. all were working fine one min.. then cluck-clack-CLUNK...  dead :()
[13:36] <Dr_Willis> warrenties are handy :) got me a new 500gb hd that way
[13:37] <jim_from_pa> Hi, formatted my drive, installed Win7 first, then Ubuntu, grub won't show up
[13:37] <Gnimsh> I bought a refurb seagate 500 GB hdd from woot and it died like a month before the 6 month warranty expired
[13:37] <Gnimsh> RMAed that sucker for a new one
[13:38] <arand> That reminds me, I kinda need to pick up on regular backups again... I've been slacking...
[13:40] <shawn_> So nobody knows about moving the notification area?
[13:40] <hsarci> whats the easiest way to install wine 1.1.31 on karmic?
[13:40] <wirechief> jim_from_pa: probably you can recover with a reinstall of grub using your livecd but follow the cautions on the topic.
[13:41] <wirechief> one user re-installed grub and it worked fine.
[13:41] <jim_from_pa> I saw that post,but kept saying I don't have permission,used sudo & root
[13:42] <jim_from_pa> can try it again
[13:42] <wirechief> while using a livecd of it ?
[13:42] <jim_from_pa> yes
[13:42] <ioka_> I'm trying to install vidalia and and synaptics is at preconfiguring packages since 20 min.Should I kill it in system monitor?
[13:43] <jim_from_pa> I did another PC and it was fine, think I need to keep partitions open and install each to a separate on, now Win7 is controlling it all
[13:43] <jim_from_pa> sorry one
[13:43] <wirechief> jim_from_pa: i think one of the grub files are read only and needs to be changed before you can make changes
[13:44] <wirechief> i would try to read up on everything i can that is grub. you might also try asking in #grub
[13:44] <Dr_Willis> you should RARELY need to change /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[13:45] <wirechief> he installed win7 though
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> edit the /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d/ files then rerun update-grub. :)
[13:45] <wirechief> that would wipe out grub im afraid.
[13:45] <jim_from_pa> ok
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> boot live cd.. chroot to the system  try rerunning grub
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> he installed windoes befor  linux he said.
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> 'update-grub' might see/add the windows 7 drive
[13:46] <wirechief> ok your right.
[13:46] <hsarci> whats the package to install for mp3 playback?
[13:47] <hsarci> !mp3
[14:04] <frybye> hi-what do i need to do to upgrade from jaunty netbook remix to karmic beta netbook remix?
[14:07] <frybye> lag on  netsplit or just no answers??
[14:07] <frybye> e e e or netsplit?
[14:07] <naresh_> wat
[14:07] <bazhang> frybye, I would imagine the same as a regular system version upgrade
[14:08] <frybye> eh - it won't land me with a plain vanilla karmic??
[14:08] <naresh_> frybye: tried /usr/bin/do-release-upgrade -d ?
[14:09] <bazhang> frybye, to my knowledge it wont, unless you installed the ubuntu-desktop package
[14:10] <frybye> naresh - will give it a try..fingers crossed.. ;)
[14:15] <g0f__> Men.. When i update my ubuntu in the new version ( 9.10 ) will the system stay the way it was , or i have to install all the programs again ?
[14:16] <rsk> g0f__: all programs will stay, if there is any removals it will say so, and what program replaces it.
[14:16] <rsk> g0f__: for example a newer kernel.
[14:16] <g0f__> thanks for the informations rsk..
[14:29] <hipitihop> I have an ion dual core with sata HDD, how can I tell what is causesing constant hdd io as the hdd led constantly flashes
[14:29] <shawn_> Is there anyway to change the login splash screen image... It looks terrible on my computer.
[14:31] <Hukka> hipitihop: iotop
[14:32] <amgarchIn9> hipitihop: use "top", those processes marked with "D" are "D"isk-hungry.
[14:34] <Strogg_> hello
[14:35] <Strogg_> is empathy broken in last updates ? MSN accounts seems to not connect
[14:35] <shawn_> Mine works
[14:35] <Strogg_> ok, i ll try tro delete and redo it
[14:39] <Strogg_> do you know where is the .epathy folder in homedir ?
[14:40] <rupertg> Multiple apps failing on Karmic here - Empathy with "Error re-scanning registry, child terminated by signal", vlc with Bus error, (core dumped)
[14:41] <rupertg> reasonably clean install, only added Chrome, Air, Flash, Tweetdeck, vlc and xchat
[14:41] <rupertg> can find refs to similar probs mentioning gstreamer as culprit, but got no further
[14:41] <rupertg> any clues, anyone?
[14:42] <shawn_> What is Ubuntu One
[14:43] <hylman> is this the place for moblin remix as well?
[14:43] <shawn_> hylman Is that Karmic?
[14:43] <hylman> yes
[14:43] <Arelis> Is Karmic safe to install yet? I want the new Intel drivers.
[14:43] <shawn_> Arelis Its pretty stable for me.  I havnt had any problems.
[14:43] <hylman> i tried karmic moblin remix, but it's really buggy...
[14:44] <rupertg> Ubuntu One is an online storage and sync service
[14:44] <hylman> definitely not as stable as moblin v2.0 original
[14:44] <Dr_Willis> its really weird - i come back.. the screen saver is on.. i move mouse. it vanishes then fades to black again.. then comes back
[14:44] <Dr_Willis> like i got 2 screensavers going
[14:44] <rupertg> It's been a bit flaky here - had video (ATI chipset) and audio (no audio hardware detected) probs, but those seem to have been fixed
[14:45] <rupertg> now having some weird app issues, but not getting very far in diagnosing them
[14:45] <hipitihop> Hukka: and amgarchIn9: thanks
[14:45] <thiebaude> no problems here on my fresh install
[14:46] <rupertg> apps were running yesterday lunchtime, but I downloaded a batch of updates and they stopped
[14:46] <shawn_> Is it just me or is Ext4 faster for transfering files as well?
[14:46] <rupertg> annoying not having IM and MP3/AVI playback
[14:46] <Strogg_> im just finishing updates, ill see after reboot
[14:47] <hylman> shawn yes, it's karmic
[14:47] <hsarci> whats the best way to get the latest wine on karmic?
[14:48] <Tallken> Strogg_: have you found it? empathy folder?
[14:48] <Dr_Willis> hsarci:  check  the winehq repos.
[14:48] <hsarci> only supports jaunty
[14:48] <Dr_Willis> hsarci:  or use source. or look for PPA repos
[14:48] <Strogg_> Tallken, no, stopeed searching, there is an error when running in cdline
[14:49] <Tallken> Strogg_: have you tried ~/.share/* ?
[14:49] <Strogg_> no , ill give  it a look
[14:50] <Strogg_> sur .share is in home folder ?
[14:50] <BluesKaj> hiyas
[14:51] <cwraig> hi all, did anyone else have a problem with their keymap (dvorak)  that i set in the installer not be set in the post install os? i cannot find anything on launchpad
[14:51] <hsarci> Dr_Willis, package for karmic is called "wine1.2"
[14:51] <shawn_> What is dvorak?
[14:51] <hsarci> is there anyway to move notifications position?...in gnome
[14:51] <rupertg> Nobody seen "(empathy:5197): empathy-WARNING **: Error in empathy init: Error re-scanning registry , child terminated by signal"?
[14:51] <cwraig> shawn_, just another keyboard layout
[14:52] <shawn_> cwraig Whats the difference?
[14:52] <cwraig> shawn_, all the keys are in different places
[14:52] <shawn_> cwraig Even letters?
[14:52] <Strogg_> i have : (empathy:10840): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: instance of invalid non-instantiatable type `(null)'
[14:52] <cwraig> shawn_, yea
[14:52] <shawn_> cwraig What is it used for?
[14:52] <rupertg> shawn_ it's very different to Qwerty - designed to be faster and easier to type
[14:52] <rupertg> but there's not much evidence that it is
[14:53] <shawn_> rupertg What makes it faster? Id consider learning a new layout if I knew
[14:53] <rupertg> it was designed so the most frequently used letters and letter combinations fell most easily to hand
[14:53] <cwraig> shawn_, it puts the most frequently used keys under your fingers
[14:54] <rupertg> and there were some tests that seemed to show that it was faster than Qwerty
[14:54] <Tallken> Strogg_: my bad, I'm on Kubuntu now, confused paths: try ~/.local/share
[14:54] <shawn_> cwraig Is there anywhere to go online to test it out?
[14:54] <rupertg> but they're not now seen as reliable
[14:54] <cwraig> shawn_, if you go into keyboards you can see the layouts there
[14:54] <rupertg> Strogg_ does vlc work for you? both vlc and empathy fail on loading here
[14:54] <shawn_> cwraig Where can you buy Dvorak keyboards?
[14:55] <BluesKaj> !offtopic
[14:56] <Strogg_> rupertg, i don't have vlc, but rhytmbox is working
[14:56] <cwraig> BluesKaj, yea, your right
[14:56] <rupertg> Strogg_: Rhythmbox fails with same error as Empathy here
[14:57] <rupertg> some common component is bust, but I don't know how to identify it
[14:58] <Strogg_> updates take a very long time :p
[14:58] <Strogg_> let see when finished
[14:59] <rupertg> Strogg_: don't they! Getting around 200-400kBps here, which seem sluggish
[15:00] <BluesKaj> rupertg, dunno about empathy but if you have a pci soundcard , pulseaudio might be the culprit
[15:01] <rupertg> BluesKaj: it's a Samsung X60 laptop, standard Intel audio,  I think
[15:01] <rupertg> BluesKaj: although always willing to blame pulseaudio
[15:02] <Strogg_> rupertg, is not a dl speed problem but take 30 minutes to install the kernel update :/
[15:02] <Strogg_> finaly done, reboot time !
[15:03] <BluesKaj> rupertg, do a lspci | grep audio , pls
[15:03] <thomas___> hi! I have a problem: after installing karmic koala I only see "grub loading" and then a black screen without error message. I already tried the "grub2 recovery" from the wiki but with no success
[15:04] <rupertg> BluesKaj: Done. No output, and reading the raw lspci output shows nothing sound related
[15:06] <BluesKaj> rupertg, ok the sound kernel source isn't recognizing your intel audio
[15:06] <BluesKaj> !intelhda
[15:06] <rupertg> BluesKaj: Audio is working, tho', from Flash
[15:07] <BluesKaj> rupertg, check out the tutorial anyway it should help
[15:07] <rupertg> BluesKaj: an Sound Preferences says Internal Audio Analog Stereo device
[15:07] <rupertg> BluesKaj: OK - wilco, skipper!
[15:07] <Strogg_> empathy is working now
[15:08] <Strogg_> update took time because of beagle indexing at the same time :D
[15:08] <rupertg> Strogg_: not on a superfast SSD, then? :)
[15:09] <Strogg_> just a simple asus eee 1000he ^^
[15:09] <amgarchIn9> which music player are you using? Amarok became bloated and completely unusable.
[15:09] <BluesKaj> I use VLC for everything
[15:10] <naresh_> mplayer++
[15:10] <thiebaude> yep, vlc
[15:10] <robin0800> amgarchIn9: amarok because I need replay gain
[15:11] <BluesKaj> gave up on amarok , long ago, but then I don't have an extensive music collection on my pc ...I'm old fashioned I still play cds on my stereo
[15:12] <hsarci> is there a more robust power manager available for gnome?
[15:13] <thiebaude> BluesKaj, i love playing music cd's on ubuntu 9.10
[15:13] <ikus060> amgarchIn9: rythmbox and XBMC for my media center
[15:13] <amgarchIn9> can one also play last.fm from VLC (thats what makes them bloated)?
[15:13] <robin0800> BluesKaj: playing a sansa c240 rockboxed with 8gb micosd card and a 16gb microsd card in my usb mobile dongle
[15:13] <ikus060> I post my problem this morning , but no one reply. Since the last upgrade, I've been experiencing problem to display characters. See for you self : http://imagebin.ca/view/3sExIBK.html
[15:14] <thiebaude> amgarchIn9, i know songbird is last.fm capable
[15:14] <joaopinto> ikus060, can you list the files correctly on the terminal ?
[15:15] <ikus060> joaopinto, yeah sure. Also, if I move the mouse pointer over the text or select it, the character is render correctly
[15:15] <BluesKaj> robin0800, I stream music to a media server/TiVo in our TV room where the sound system is located using an app called pyTivo.
[15:15] <joaopinto> ikus060, file a bug for nautilus
[15:15] <robin0800> thiebaude: yes i looked at songbird it needs a bit more work IMHO but any player I use must have replay gain
[15:16] <robin0800> BluesKaj: I'm at work
[15:16] <thiebaude> rob0, i agree
[15:16] <HoopyCat> BluesKaj:  i shall have to look into pytivo.  thanks :-)
[15:16] <BluesKaj> robin0800, I'm retired :)
[15:16] <ikus060> joaopinto, it's not only nautilus, but everything. Every gnome application have the problem
[15:16] <joaopinto> oh :\
[15:16] <robin0800> BluesKaj: whish I was
[15:17] <thiebaude> BluesKaj, me to @48yrs old
[15:17] <amgarchIn9> does standby work properly on your 9.10? Check by "echo standby > /sys/power/state" Mine hangs up for "standby" but works with "mem" and "disk" suspends.
[15:17] <robin0800> thiebaude: i'm 56
[15:17] <thiebaude> cool
[15:19] <BluesKaj> HoopyCat, try this site ,http://pytivo.sourceforge.net/forum/
[15:19] <amgarchIn9> ikus060: test it as another user, maybe these are spoiled settings
[15:20]  * BluesKaj is 66
[15:20] <rupertg> BluesKaj: my system is reporting Codec: Analog Devices AD1986A
[15:20] <rupertg> Codec: LSI Si3054
[15:21] <rupertg> BluesKaj: does that tell me (you!) anything useful?
[15:21] <rupertg> rest of that doc doesn't really seem to help much, but I'll read it again
[15:22] <hsarci> is there a more robust power manager available for gnome?
[15:23] <amgarchIn9> so basically except for VLC you all install third-party players? I dont find any of those in standard repos.
[15:23] <thiebaude>  amgarchIn9 sudo apt-get install vlc
[15:24] <thiebaude> my bad
[15:24] <thiebaude> amgarchIn9, i just seen except vlc
[15:26] <BluesKaj> rupertg, do aplay -l we need to be sure
[15:27] <rupertg> BluesKaj: card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: AD198x Analog [AD198x Analog]
[15:27] <rupertg>   Subdevices: 0/1
[15:27] <rupertg>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[15:27] <rupertg> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 1: AD198x Digital [AD198x Digital]
[15:27] <rupertg>   Subdevices: 1/1
[15:27] <rupertg>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[15:27] <rupertg> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 6: Si3054 Modem [Si3054 Modem]
[15:27] <rupertg>   Subdevices: 1/1
[15:27] <rupertg>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[15:27] <BluesKaj> !paste | rupertg
[15:28] <rupertg> ooops
[15:28] <rupertg> sorry
[15:28] <rupertg> haven't used IRC for years
[15:29] <rupertg> BluesKaj: http://paste.ubuntu.com/296178/
[15:29] <BluesKaj> rupertg, are you on gnome or kde ?
[15:29] <amgarchIn9> ok, I see. Not only me having problems spelling "rhythmbox" correctly here.
[15:29] <rupertg> <-- back in the n00b corner
[15:30] <rupertg> BluesKaj: Gnome - it's standard Ubuntu 9.10
[15:32] <BluesKaj> rupertg, then that intel tuorial should help , but I dont know much about rhythmbox
[15:33] <shadeslayer> anyone experiencing kdm taking 4-5 secs to start up
[15:33] <rupertg> BluesKaj: problem afflicting vlc, empathy as well
[15:33] <shadeslayer> anyone experiencing kdm taking 4-5 secs to start up
[15:33] <rupertg> but will carry on faffing
[15:34] <frybye> hi naresh_ hi bazhang -  my distro-upgrade seems to have gone 100% OK..thanks a load for your help..!
[15:34] <amgarchIn9> shadeslayer: mine takes loger
[15:34] <amgarchIn9> *longer
[15:34] <shadeslayer> amgarchIn9: find any workaround?
[15:35] <BluesKaj> rupertg, i dumped pulseaudio . i let alsa and my soundcard kernel source do the work .pulseaudio just intereferes on my setup...remove pulseaudio do the tutorial ans see what happens.
[15:35] <shadeslayer> amgarchIn9: i havent exactly measured it,it might be taking more time,but according to me its slooowww
[15:35] <rupertg> BluesKaj: yes, I had problems with pulseaudio on 9.04 and seem to remember I ended up doing something similar
[15:36] <amgarchIn9> shadeslayer: it was never faster, should it? Get an SSD, or use Gnome.
[15:36] <rupertg> BluesKaj: linux audio is a vale of tears
[15:36] <shadeslayer> amgarchIn9: it was faster
[15:36] <BluesKaj> rupertg, I'm afraid there are too many cooks in the linux audio kitchen :P
[15:37] <amgarchIn9> rupertg: yes, its the third release of Ubuntu where I have to manually tweak the kernel module options to make my Intel HDA work.
[15:38] <amgarchIn9> rupertg: and I am not counting all those userspace software layers. I guess I made it work and "pulseaudio" is involved somehow into it.
[15:39] <shadeslayer> amgarchIn9: it used to start as soon as the boot was finished...
[15:39] <ioka_> does the gui search in subfolders by default?
[15:39] <BluesKaj> Amaranth,pulseaudio works well for some setups and is just another useless layer for others
[15:39] <BluesKaj> oops sry amgarchIn9
[15:40] <BluesKaj> ans Amaranth
[15:40] <rupertg> amgarchIn9: even when I get things working, I'm never quite sure how
[15:41] <funkyHat> What's the name of the firefox lock file? It won't start up (complains that it's already running, but it's not), just want to check that's not the problem
[15:41] <shadeslayer> funkyHat: try : killall firefox
[15:41] <ioka_> how to start nautilius as a root?
[15:41] <shadeslayer> ioka_: gksu nautilus
[15:41] <funkyHat> shadeslayer: firefox is not running, I checked
[15:41] <ioka_> 10x
[15:42] <amgarchIn9> funkyHat: find ~/.mozilla -name \*lock\*
[15:42] <funkyHat> amgarchIn9: nothing
[15:42] <funkyHat> I  guess that means the lock isn't the problem
[15:44] <funkyHat> I had the same problem the other day when I enabled the firefox apparmour profile, but I disabled it again and it was fine
[15:44] <funkyHat> (and I haven't enabled it again)
[15:44] <funkyHat> Hm. Looks like it's in enforce mode anyway
[15:45] <funkyHat> Did that get changed in an update?
[15:45] <Aleksey1> Does someone Russian language?
[15:45] <thiebaude> !rs
[15:45] <BluesKaj> !ru | Aleksey1
[15:46] <ioka_> it would be nice if you make nautilus in the future to show the location of the files he finds in a search, not just the files
[15:46] <Aleksey1> ubottu:I imell because who has the Russian language on this channel
[15:47] <HoopyCat> BluesKaj:  thanks for the link :-)
[15:47] <ioka_> or at least an easy way in right click show location or something
[15:47] <frybye> Aleksey1: apparently nowone just now!
[15:47] <doktoreas> hello folks..anyone using moonlight plugin for firefox?
[15:48] <doktoreas> I mean the one inside repository
[15:49] <BluesKaj> HoopyCat, pyTivo takes a little bit of fiddling around at times , especially after ubuntu/kubuntu updates and upgrades but it's worth the trouble.
[15:51] <HoopyCat> BluesKaj:  ok, i'll assign it to my wife.  she's an experienced post-update fiddler :-)
[15:51] <BluesKaj> HoopyCat, :)
[15:51] <IdleOne> haha that is awesome
[15:51] <HoopyCat> for what it's worth, karmic almost works just fine after going gnome -> xfce -> kde -> xfce -> gnome, with a couple intermediate steps like removing and reinstalling gdm :-)
[15:51] <funkyHat> No-one else's firefox broken then?
[15:51] <Aleksey1> In ubuntu 9.10 beta.Perehod / Computer and falls nautilus
[15:51] <Aleksey1>  I hardly speak English
[15:52] <shadeslayer> Aleksey1: /join #ubuntu-ru
[15:52] <Aleksey1> shadeslayer: I was sent here
[15:53] <naresh_> hehe
[15:53] <Aleksey1> :)
[15:53] <shadeslayer> oh  the thing with 9.10 bein beta
[15:53] <thiebaude> funkyHat, when i use firefox its not broken, but mainly i use chrome
[15:53] <frybye> Aleksey1: are you looking for ubuntu 9.10 help??
[15:53] <shadeslayer> Aleksey1: use babelfish to explain your problem bettter
[15:53] <funkyHat> Oh, apparently the lockfile _is_ there :/ no idea why that find command didn't pick it up
[15:53] <Aleksey1> frybye: yes
[15:53] <shadeslayer> !babelfish | Aleksey1
[15:53] <shadeslayer> um..
[15:54] <Aleksey1> !babelfish | Aleksey1
[15:54] <funkyHat> No, that didn't fix it anyway
[15:54] <shadeslayer> Aleksey1: http://babelfish.yahoo.com/
[15:54] <BluesKaj> thiebaude, I used chromium for about a month , but suddenly it slowed right down taking forever to load pages and even cookied sites , so iwent back to FF which is much quicker
[15:55] <funkyHat> Oct 18 15:53:54 mesh kernel: [ 2273.274699] type=1503 audit(1255877634.506:83): operation="file_lock" pid=4913 parent=1 profile="/usr/lib/firefox-3.5.*/firefox" requested_mask="wk::" denied_mask="k::" fsuid=1000 ouid=1000 name="/home/matt/Private/.mozilla/firefox/b5j5shnp.default/.parentlock"
[15:55] <frybye> Aleksey1: try explain your problem in English - or head over to #ubuntu-ru
[15:55]  * shadeslayer finds rekonq to be the best
[15:55] <shadeslayer> frybye: they told him to come here
[15:55] <funkyHat> Ah, this is because my .mozilla dir isn't in the normal place isn't it?
[15:56] <funkyHat> Any apparmour people around?
[15:56] <Aleksey1> Will help who me? In me falls nautilus when I I press on the computer
[15:56] <frybye> shadeslayer: cos there is no #ubuntu-ru+1
[15:56] <frybye> ??
[15:56] <shadeslayer> frybye: yep
[15:56] <HoopyCat> Aleksey1:  if a person in #ubuntu-ru speaks english well, ask if they will join #ubuntu+1 with you
[15:57] <frybye> HoopyCat: good idea...!
[15:57] <shadeslayer> Aleksey1: or use a online translator
[15:58] <Aleksey1> shadeslayer: I have it and use it:)
[15:58] <frybye> Aleksey1: try www.worldlingo.com
[16:01] <Aleksey1> In me falls nautilus with the attempt to open reference the computer
[16:02] <Aleksey1> So it is more intelligible?:)
[16:03] <IdleOne> Aleksey1: no :(
[16:04] <Aleksey1> IdleOne:sorry ;)
[16:04] <tgpraveen> mac_v: if I do bzr branch lp:humanity, then will my humanity theme be updated to latest version
[16:04] <BluesKaj> guys , I think Aleksey1 is asking how to fix nautilus crash
[16:04] <tgpraveen> or do I have to do anything more?
[16:04] <Aleksey1> IdleOne:I go to teach english
[16:04] <IdleOne> Пожалуйста, используйте это для перевода. http://translate.google.com/translate_t #
[16:05] <Aleksey1> BluesKaj: yes
[16:05] <hsarci> is there anyway to simply increase the transparency of window decorations?
[16:05] <robin0800_> Aleksey1: you mean nautilus fails if you try to open the computer icon from the places menu?
[16:05] <Aleksey1> IdleOne: Already use
[16:05] <IdleOne> Aleksey1: ok
[16:05] <Aleksey1>  robin0800_: yes
[16:05] <IdleOne> so google translate is not so great
[16:05] <Amaranth> BluesKaj: The only situation where pulseaudio is useless is low latency audio production
[16:06] <Amaranth> BluesKaj: Otherwise it helps save power, gives you per-app volume control, balanced volume levels, etc
[16:07] <mac_v> tgpraveen: everything in lp:humanity is already in Ubuntu , we are not going to fiddle with lp:humanity much only bug fixes which will be available in Ubuntu also
[16:07] <Aleksey1> robin0800_: how to fix the failure of nautilus?
[16:08] <robin0800_> Aleksey1: don't know
[16:08] <BluesKaj> Amaranth, I know pulseaudio is a fav around here and it has many advantages when it works , but I get very choppy distorted audio , like it's looping back thru itself and alsa. All is fine now that PA isn't in the loop so to speak :)
[16:09] <Amaranth> BluesKaj: I had one recent kernel version where I was getting that as well
[16:09]  * Aleksey1 Senk.I He left to teach English
[16:10] <tgpraveen> Amaranth: isn't PA also trying to improve itself for low latency cases also?
[16:10] <tgpraveen> I think I read that somewhere
[16:10] <BluesKaj> Amaranth, I suspect pulseaudio doesn't work properly with certain pci soundcard kernel modules.
[16:11] <Amaranth> tgpraveen: Dunno about that
[16:11] <Amaranth> tgpraveen: Last I heard the plan was to create a system that lets jack and pulseaudio hand control of the sound card to each other as needed
[16:12] <Amaranth> The idea being you aren't going to be listening to music with banshee while you've got ardour or whatever open to record your guitar session
[16:13] <saji> Hey i upgraded to KArimc beta, now I'm getting the following error-
[16:13] <saji> /usr/local/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.11' not found (required by synaptic)
[16:13] <saji> How can i fix it?
[16:14] <saji> hello, anybody here?
[16:14] <saji> Is  this channel dead?
[16:15] <shadeslayer> saji: yes
[16:15] <BluesKaj> !patience | saji
[16:15] <saji> shadeslayer, any idea?
[16:15] <shadeslayer> saji: wait a sec
[16:15] <saji> BluesKaj, any idea how to fix this?
[16:15] <saji> shadeslayer, ok...
[16:16] <bad_one> anybody noticed memory leak in Xorg?
[16:16] <bad_one> mine eats more than a gig of ram
[16:16] <shadeslayer> bad_one: same here
[16:16] <bad_one> thnx
[16:16] <shadeslayer> bad_one: same problem in suse as well,so i guess were all in it together
[16:17] <saji> hi
[16:17] <shadeslayer> saji: yeah hold on
[16:18] <shadeslayer> saji: what did you do which resulted in that error?
[16:18] <saji> shadeslayer, ok..
[16:18] <saji> shadeslayer, I updated from 9.04 to 9.10..
[16:18] <shadeslayer> saji: no what app did you open?
[16:18] <saji> shadeslayer, tried to open synaptic...
[16:19] <amgarchIn9> saji: /usr/local is for custom installations. You must have installed there something on your own. You need to recompile
[16:19] <saji> shadeslayer, and I'm unable to update now.. It seems that this file is very important to many applications...
[16:19] <shadeslayer> saji: ok,try : sudo apt-get install synaptic
[16:20] <saji> error is-
[16:20] <saji> apt-get: /usr/local/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.11' not found (required by apt-get)
[16:20] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[16:20] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, think maybe he should purge synaptic , then reinstall
[16:20] <saji> shadeslayer, It doesn't work..
[16:20] <thiebaude> saji, sudo apt-get update
[16:20] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: seems like hes missing some things..
[16:20] <shadeslayer> saji: do a complete update and then install : ubuntu-desktop
[16:20] <HoopyCat> saji:  try "ldconfig -v" ... sounds like there might be some weird stuff in the shared libs
[16:21] <BluesKaj> yes , one doesn't compile synaptic btw
[16:21] <saji> thiebaude, still the same eroor...
[16:21] <thiebaude> ok
[16:21] <shadeslayer> saji: youve compilied synaptic?
[16:21] <saji> shadeslayer, I had done a complete update...
[16:21] <JoshuaL> is it possible to have different wallpapers per view-port with gnome & compiz?
[16:21] <saji> shadeslayer, No i have not compiled anything...
[16:21] <thiebaude> saji, how did you upgrade?
[16:21] <HoopyCat> saji:  and pastebin the output of "ldconfig -v" if possible :-)
[16:22] <saji> HoopyCat, ok,,
[16:22] <amgarchIn9> saji: mv /usr/local /usr/local.hide
[16:23] <saji> thiebaude, sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[16:23] <saji> amgarchIn9, what's that for?
[16:23] <thiebaude> saji, i did update-manager -d
[16:24] <HoopyCat> saji:  "whereis apt-get" should return just "apt-get: /usr/bin/apt-get /usr/share/man/man8/apt-get.8.gz" as well... does it return something in /usr/local/bin?  (i would hold off on mv /usr/local /usr/local.hide for right now)
[16:24] <thiebaude> saji, but now i have a fresh install
[16:24] <amgarchIn9> saji: to use standard libs. You must have /usr/local/lib somewhere in your LD_LIBRARY_PATH or LD_PRELOAD
[16:25] <saji> amgarchIn9, How will i set that?
[16:25] <saji> !paste
[16:26] <amgarchIn9> echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH; unset LD_LIBRARY_PATH; see google for "bash environment variable"
[16:27] <gbear14275> I'm having problems adding a network printer.  I added a printer manually via the add printer command, entered the IP address.  If seems to have found it but its not requesting that I "Enter device URI" and even though the field is auto-populated, the forward button is greyed out.
[16:27] <HoopyCat> saji:  i suspect that something/somewhere installed /usr/local/lib/libstdc++.so.6 at some point for some purpose... i believe moving it out of the way (mv /usr/local/lib/libstdc++.so.6 /usr/local/lib/libstdc++.so.6.disabled) then rerunning ldconfig might clear it up, but hmm.  hard question is figuring out *why*
[16:27] <amgarchIn9> saji: ^^
[16:28] <saji> amgarchIn9, I'm nor running ldconfig -v
[16:29] <gbear14275> Is there anything I can do to help troubleshoot this?  Normally I would just submit a bug report and wait but am trying to set this system up for a new linux user and only have a couple hours to get them all setup
[16:30] <amgarchIn9> saji: pastbin the output of "env | grep PATH"
[16:31] <saji> amgarchIn9, output at http://paste.ubuntu.com/296210/
[16:32] <saji> HoopyCat, how will i move that out of the way?
[16:32] <amgarchIn9> saji: what is in your /usr/local/bin ? apt-get? synaptic?
[16:33] <saji> lemme see that, amgarchIn9
[16:33] <HoopyCat> saji:  how much stuff is there in /usr/local/lib?  is it just that one file, or are there a bunch of libraries?
[16:33] <shadeslayer> whats a good replacement for gimp in kde?
[16:33] <naresh> krita
[16:34] <naresh> krita-kde4
[16:34] <saji> Content of /usr/local/bin-
[16:34] <saji> addr2name.awk  gcj-dbtool  gnative2ascii          i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc
[16:34] <saji> c++            gcjh        gorbd                  i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc-4.3.4
[16:34] <saji> cpp            gcov        grmic                  i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcj
[16:34] <saji> g++            gfortran    grmid                  i686-pc-linux-gnu-gfortran
[16:34] <saji> gappletviewer  gij         grmiregistry           jcf-dump
[16:34] <saji> gc-analyze     gjar        gserialver             jv-convert
[16:34] <saji> gcc            gjarsigner  gtnameserv             ubuntuzilla.py
[16:34] <saji> gccbug         gjavah      i686-pc-linux-gnu-c++
[16:34] <saji> gcj            gkeytool    i686-pc-linux-gnu-g++
[16:34] <vox> ugh
[16:34] <shadeslayer> saji: pastebin!!!!
[16:34] <vox> please use a pastebin
[16:34] <saji> shadeslayer, sorry... :)
[16:34] <shadeslayer> naresh: what about karbon?
[16:34] <saji> vox, sorry for that...
[16:34] <naresh> shadeslayer: karbon is a replacement for inkscape
[16:35] <shadeslayer> naresh: i mean whats the difference b/w krita and karbon?
[16:35] <naresh> karbon is a vector graphics app
[16:35] <naresh> krita is a pixel graphics app
[16:35] <shadeslayer> ah..
[16:36] <saji> content of /usr/local/lib
[16:36] <amgarchIn9> saji: so you must have been compiling GCC on your own? "dpkg -S /usr/local/bin/g++"
[16:36] <saji> http://paste.ubuntu.com/296213/
[16:36] <Arelis> To everyone in #ubuntu+1: In your opinion, is it better to upgrade the intel drivers, or to upgrade to Karmic?
[16:36] <shadeslayer> and can anyone get highlight window to work with stasks?
[16:36] <saji> amgarchIn9, I had compiled GCC on my own!
[16:37] <saji> amgarchIn9, How did you understand tat?
[16:37] <amgarchIn9> saji: now it is outdated and in your way. Telepathy.
[16:37] <saji> amgarchIn9, so?
[16:38] <Arelis> To everyone in #ubuntu+1: In your opinion, is it better to upgrade the intel drivers, or to upgrade to Karmic?
[16:38] <HoopyCat> saji:  cd /usr/local/lib; mkdir old; mv lib* old; ldconfig    <--- that should make things in the core system work, perhaps at the expense of breaking things compiled with the rogue gcc
[16:38] <saji> What is dpkg -S /usr/local/bin/g++ for?
[16:39] <amgarchIn9> saji: to find out which package that file belongs to. see "man dpkg"
[16:40] <naresh> shadeslayer: http://luisbg.blogalia.com//historias/64812 <-- cool rite?
[16:40] <Arelis> Anyone?
[16:40] <saji> HoopyCat, I did what you said.. now what?
[16:41] <HoopyCat> saji:  do apt-get, etc, work again?
[16:41] <naresh> Arelis: I just upgraded to Karmic. Sparing a ouple of empathy crashes here and there, alls' fine.
[16:41] <saji> HoopyCat, Please elaborate that...
[16:42] <saji> amgarchIn9, the output is-
[16:42] <saji> dpkg: /usr/local/bin/g++ not found.
[16:43] <phnom> Is there any way to move the area where the notifications pop up? The notifications from Pidgin comes up too far from the upper panel for my liking.
[16:43] <Arelis> naresh, Do you have an Intel video card? Does it work well?
[16:43] <HoopyCat> saji:  you came here with a problem.  does the problem still occur, after moving lib* out of /usr/local/lib and rerunning ldconfig?  (actually, i suspect you might want to mv /usr/local/lib/old /usr/local/lib.old, since i think it might still look in that subdirectory... been awhile since i've broken a machine like this :-)
[16:43] <amgarchIn9> saji: so you have to continue cleaning /usr/local manually. Like you already did for /usr/local/lib. Do same thing for /usr/local/bin.
[16:43] <naresh> Arelis: yes, i do. it works much better than it used to.
[16:44] <naresh> i can watch x264 encoded HD videos of dexter in 720p
[16:44] <GneXteR> Anyone else got problems with timeouts during downloading fonts for the ttf-mscorefonts-intaller?
[16:44] <naresh> without any framedrops
[16:44] <Arelis> naresh, Then i'm upgrading Ubuntu to Karmic. I think installing the newer intel drivers, then when karmic is out, installing it, will cause trouble.
[16:44] <saji> amgarchIn9, Now the update manager is working... :)
[16:45] <Arelis> And are all the apps available that are in Jaunty?
[16:45] <amgarchIn9> saji: but "g++" doesnt. See "which g++"
[16:45] <rsk> Arelis: i belive all are, if not they are replaced by something else.
[16:46] <Arelis> Okay. What is the safest command/program to upgrade?
[16:46] <rsk> Arelis: sudo update-manager -d is the best way
[16:46] <phnom> Every time I run ldconfig it says "/sbin/ldconfig.real: /usr/lib/ is not a symbolic link". Anyone know the cause of this and how to fix it?
[16:47] <HoopyCat> saji:  i believe the problem was that the stuff installed with the rogue gcc is older than what ships with karmic (although probably newer than what shipped with jaunty), but the library subsystem is relatively dumb and operates on the theory that stuff in /usr/local should override.  a fun one for sure.
[16:47] <GneXteR> Is there any way that I can intall ubuntu-restricted-extra without the need of mscorefonts?
[16:47] <Arelis> rsk, It doesn't show the "upgrade" button.
[16:48] <shadeslayer> GneXteR: see all the packages and install them one by one
[16:48] <rsk> hm what does it show Arelis ?
[16:48] <ikus060> Me again, I'm trying to figure out what going one with my display. First it's start with that http://imagebin.ca/view/3sExIBK.html, somehow I can't reproduce it anymore. Now the anything involving openGL is choppy and crash withing a minute or 2. Does anyone have experience that before ?? My graphics card is a Nvidia and I use the proprietary driver.
[16:48] <Arelis> rsk, the normal update window.
[16:48] <shadeslayer> GneXteR: or if you use synaptic remove the packages you dont need
[16:48] <rsk> Arelis: it should be fine.
[16:48] <Arelis> rsk, but it's empty
[16:48] <Arelis> rsk, and the updating button is greyed out
[16:48] <naresh> sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[16:49] <Arelis> hmm, now I did it in a terminal, and that DOES work.
[16:49] <Arelis> naresh, is that a safer command?
[16:49] <naresh> this one spans no GUI
[16:49] <naresh> spawns*
[16:49] <GneXteR> shadeslayer: yeah but I restricted extras wont work
[16:49] <GneXteR> I cant get Xvid to work
[16:49] <Arelis> naresh, so I can execute that in a console?
[16:49] <naresh> so.. it's neat if you run things in a screen, for example
[16:51] <GneXteR> shadeslayer: and the issue is that ubuntu-restricted-extras depends of ttf-mscorefonts-installer.. which dont work
[16:51] <NinjaPlimsolls> can someone send me a test PM please?
[16:51] <Arelis> What are "production machines"?
[16:52] <shadeslayer> GneXteR: ok then,ubuntu-restricted-extras is a meta package,you dont need it installed
[16:52] <naresh> Arelis: production machines - as opposed to test or development machines
[16:52] <GneXteR> shadeslayer, ok trying to install every dependency of ubuntu-restricted
[16:52] <HoopyCat> Arelis:  if you can't get your work done when it breaks, it's a production machine
[16:52] <NinjaPlimsolls> i guess not
[16:52] <Arelis> This is my main desktop computer, but it has Mac OS X too - is it safe?
[16:53] <thiebaude> !9.10
[16:53] <naresh> Arelis: you're the best one to judge that...
[16:53] <BluesKaj> ikus060, I used the proprietary driver on my geforce7600gt for about 2 weeks, then the default glx-185 driver was finally fixed and works well now . if the nvidia-glx-185 driver lists your card in synaptic or adept , then you're good to go with it. Just make sure you stopx and install it from the TTY after purging the proprietary one.
[16:53] <Arelis> HoopyCat, ah, then it's no problem.
[16:53] <Arelis> Is Karmic still buggy, though?
[16:53] <Arelis> Or are almost all the bugs gone?
[16:54] <thiebaude> Arelis, i have no problems on my fresh install
[16:54] <naresh> bugs in empathy and network-manager concern me
[16:54] <ikus060> BluesKaj, where should I see if my card is compatible with nvidia-glx-185 ??
[16:54] <naresh> i don't find any problems with the rest of my desktop though
[16:54] <vox> network-mangler has never worked for me
[16:54] <HoopyCat> Arelis:  an upgrade to either OS can break the dual-boot setup, requiring a bit of work to fix it.
[16:54] <naresh> vox: lol
[16:55] <vox> not just in karmic, i mean.. ever
[16:55] <naresh> :D
[16:55] <BluesKaj> ikus060, in synaptic or adept
[16:55] <saji> amgarchIn9, you there?
[16:55] <HoopyCat> Arelis:  and all software has bugs.  :-)  a lot will be fixed in the next 11 days, some you'll never see.
[16:55] <vox> its not just me either, most of my friends use ubuntu, and it's /never/ worked for them either
[16:56] <BluesKaj> ikus060, which nvidia card ?
[16:56] <saji> Hoopycat how will i manually clean my usr/local/bin too?
[16:57] <ikus060> BluesKaj, nVidia Corporation G72 [GeForce 7300 SE/7200 GS] (rev a1)
[16:57] <HoopyCat> saji:  same sort of thing... make a directory called "old" and mv things into it
[16:57] <bcurtiswx> hey all, i can't see if rtkit's replaced by anything since update manager wants to remove it... is rtkit being replaced/renamed?
[16:57] <thiebaude> bcurtiswx, i had that happen 1 hr ago
[16:57] <ikus060> BluesKaj, I'm currently using the NVidia 185.18.36 driver
[16:58] <thiebaude> rtkit
[16:58] <bcurtiswx> is rtkit supposed to be getting removed would be a better question
[16:59] <thiebaude> bcurtiswx, at the end of the updates, i didn't have updated manager remove anything
[16:59] <saji> HoopyCat, is it- cd /usr/local/bin; mkdir old; mv lib* old; ldconfig   ?
[17:00] <bcurtiswx> thiebaude: weird how autoremove wants to get rid of rtkit too
[17:00] <bcurtiswx> thiebaude: can you verify with me if rtkit is installed on your machine
[17:00] <saji> HoopyCat, ?
[17:00] <thiebaude> yes, 1 sec
[17:01] <thiebaude> bcurtiswx, no its not installed, but it wants to remove some pulseaudio stuff, so i said no
[17:01]  * saji I wonder if HoopyCat has gone..:)
[17:02] <HoopyCat> saji:  probably "cd /usr/local/bin ; mkdir old ; mv g* c* i* j* old" will do the trick.  somewhat more surgical.
[17:02] <thiebaude> i did apt-get install rtkit
[17:02] <ioka_> is this normal or my pc is damn slow.When i update everything becomes unussable, and the screen - dark
[17:02] <thiebaude> i leave that alone for now
[17:02] <BluesKaj> ikus060, hmm. that's the right driver for your card , but if you compiled it yourself then it's out of date , there have been several upgrades lately
[17:02] <HoopyCat> saji:  and since there's no libraries in there, ldconfig isn't necessary.  (are you still having problems, or is synaptic working ok again?)
[17:02] <saji> HoopyCat, I'll do that...
[17:02] <bcurtiswx> thiebaude: weird indeed.  thx
[17:02] <hsarci> anyone know how to make a transparent panel in gnome have rounded edges?
[17:02] <thiebaude> and scary, pulseaudio,lol
[17:02] <thiebaude> np
[17:02] <saji> HoopyCat, without doing that itself now Synaptic is working..
[17:03] <saji> HoopyCat, So do i need to clean that still?
[17:03] <saji> HoopyCat, Now i'm able to run updates too...
[17:03] <ikus060> BluesKaj, I didn't compile it my self. I got it from the repository. But the thing I don't understand is the package is not install.
[17:04] <funkyHat> re. my complaint about firefox and apparmor earlier: bug 454758
[17:04] <HoopyCat> saji:  maybe.  the next step depends on why you installed gcc there in the first place.  if it was for no specific reason, doing what i said above then installing the "build-essential" package will do the trick.
[17:04] <ikus060> BluesKaj, I will try to cleanup the mess and install  nvidia-glx-185
[17:04] <BluesKaj> ikus060, purge the driver and install it again , then do an update
[17:05] <ioka_> what are the dev package for?
[17:05] <funkyHat> thiebaude: which pulseaudio stuff, it might be fine?
[17:05] <ioka_> like lighttp-dev
[17:06] <thiebaude> funkyHat, i'll have to check
[17:07] <thiebaude> funkyHat, how do i pastebin that?
[17:07] <funkyHat> thiebaude: copy and paste?
[17:07] <funkyHat> !paste
[17:08] <Polarina> Hi.
[17:08] <saji> HoopyCat, So i still need to clean /usr/local/bin
[17:09] <thiebaude> funkyHat, http://paste.ubuntu.com/296233/
[17:10] <funkyHat> thiebaude: ah, right. yeah, not ok to remove that
[17:10] <thiebaude> haha,ok
[17:10] <funkyHat> Not sure why it's wanting to remove those though ?
[17:10] <HoopyCat> saji:  yeah, i would.  my rule of thumb is to avoid software outside of the ubuntu repositories as much as possible, to make security upgrades (and, as you can see, general system upgrades :-) as seamless and automatic as possible.
[17:11] <thiebaude> funkyHat, and i dont have any problems with 9.10
[17:11] <funkyHat> Oh, because the version of rtkit is too low, apparently
[17:11] <thiebaude> funkyHat, what does rtkit do anyway?
[17:12] <funkyHat> Changes scheduling priority of processes to realtime mode on request, apparently
[17:12] <penguin42> thiebaude: I think it's for giving processes real-time privelidge
[17:12] <funkyHat> Seems like quite a nifty idea
[17:12] <thiebaude> penguin42, kernel mode setting?
[17:12] <HoopyCat> saji:  i must get some work done away from the computer now, so i'll be idle for awhile.  best of luck, and enjoy 9.10 :-)
[17:12] <shadeslayer> is there a way to start a kde app which does NOT follow the system color scheme?
[17:13] <funkyHat> No, not KMS, thiebaude
[17:13] <penguin42> thiebaude: What about it?
[17:13] <thiebaude> ahh,ok
[17:13] <funkyHat> KMS is to do with display output modes
[17:14] <thiebaude> penguin42, update manager wanted to install rtkit,
[17:16] <penguin42> I think pa has a dependency on rtkit - but then I saw something about how the kernel patches it needs aren't there yet so it's not much use yet
[17:16] <BluesKaj> thiebaude, rtkits are kernel patches
[17:16] <penguin42> BluesKaj: No
[17:16] <funkyHat> BluesKaj: no, rtkit is realtime kit, it's a dbus service
[17:17] <BluesKaj> oops , sorry lemme rephrase that : they require kernel patches
[17:17] <Travis-42> Does the "report problem" feature after an application crash send the entire contents of memory or anything like that, or just that related to the program? (e.g. if a password manager is loaded in memory, is it safe to report the problem?)
[17:17] <funkyHat> pulseaudio in Karmic doesn't have a dependancy on rtkit anyway.
[17:18] <funkyHat> penguin42: perhaps open up aptitude and figure out what is depending on rtkit. You probably need to remove that
[17:18] <BluesKaj> anyway , it's time for some fresh air and a walk ..BBL
[17:18] <thiebaude> BluesKaj, take care
[17:19] <funkyHat> Travis-42: as long as the problem isn't with password manager
[17:19] <thiebaude> i got 63mb of updates
[17:19] <funkyHat> thiebaude *
[17:20] <Travis-42> ok thanks funkyHat
[17:22] <russlar> someone mentioned last night that they couldn't upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10 with an encrptyed home folder (just the folder, not the entire partition). Anybody else seen that?
[17:25] <ikus060> BluesKaj, still there ??
[17:26] <ikus060> BluesKaj, I've install nvidia-glx-185 package but some reason X.org did not select it
[17:27] <b1shop> does 9.10 still use usplash?
[17:27] <CPrgmSwR2> interesting that updates are made to pulseaudio, though still no sound
[17:30] <penguin42> CPrgmSwR2: It's not always PA's fault - it can be kernel drivers as well
[17:30] <darthanubis> or user error
[17:30] <darthanubis> install gnome-alsamixer and turn the sound up
[17:30] <darthanubis> ALL of the sound levels
[17:30] <penguin42> darthanubis: Arguably if it's that hard to notice that something is turned down their is a GUI problem
[17:31] <darthanubis> penguin42, no argument from me
[17:31] <cousin_mario> hello
[17:31]  * cousin_mario can't find vol_id anymore on karmic koala
[17:31] <darthanubis> I don't like that everytime I reboot one of my machines, I have to turn the sound back up with gnome-alsamixer
[17:32] <darthanubis> I thought it was broken or a bug
[17:32] <darthanubis> well it is a bug
[17:34] <amgarchIn9> cousin_mario: blkid?
[17:36]  * thiebaude bbl going to watch football
[17:37] <ioka_> with mv and with rm I can delete files, right?
[17:37] <Dr_Willis>  bash basics - yes   rm = delete
[17:38] <russlar> rm yes
[17:38] <Dr_Willis> !bash
[17:38] <rob0> um, mnemonics there: mv=Move rm=Remove
[17:38] <Dr_Willis> and DONT expect to be able to UNdelete :)
[17:39] <cousin_mario> amgarchIn9: what package, precisely?
[17:41] <Arelis> I just booted Karmic. When it booted, i saw a really nice theme, but after I opened the Appearance properties, it reverted to my customized theme. How do I get that default karmic theme back?
[17:42] <Dr_Willis> thats the 'human' theme i thought
[17:43] <Arelis> I think it was Dust.
[17:43] <Arelis> i had black panels
[17:43] <Dr_Willis> try them and see  I guess.
[17:43] <Dr_Willis> I alwyas customize my own.
[17:43] <Arelis> but where's the wallpaper?
[17:43] <Dr_Willis> or make a new user. see what theme they got
[17:43] <Arelis> good idea
[17:43] <Arelis> the wallpaper isn't in the appearance properties
[17:45] <corys_> hey i have question.. trying to tri-boot ubuntu, windows 7, windows vista that are on 3 seperate hard drives. Running into a bit of an issue with setting up grub2. Wonder if anyone can offer some advice? thanks
[17:46] <Ghone> I can't boot Karmic due to a neverending fsck.  Is it possible to bypass the fsck?
[17:46] <Dr_Willis> update-grub saw all the os's i had on my sepereate hard drives. :)
[17:46] <Dr_Willis> Ghone:  known bug from a few weeks ago.. You could  go to the bios screren set the date ahead a day and see if it boots then
[17:46] <penguin42> Ghone: You should be able to hit escape to skip I think; how big is your partition and how long did you give it?
[17:46] <Dr_Willis> then update/upgrade
[17:47] <Dr_Willis> if you see mention of 'fsck date is set to the future' - then ya got the date bug.
[17:47] <Ghone> Dr_Willis : Thanks, I'll try that.
[17:47] <corys_> the error I get is "error: cannot open '/dev/sdd'  while attempting to get disk size"
[17:47] <Dr_Willis> is one of your windows install on sdd?
[17:48] <corys_> well, when I do fdisk -l I see the following drives.. /dev/sda1 /dev/sb1 /dev/sb2 /dev/sb5 and /dev/sdc1
[17:48] <corys_> I don't see a /dev/sdd
[17:48] <Ghone> penguin42: escape doesn't do anything.  Ctrl-D stops the fsck but causes a reboot and restarts the fsck.  The partition is around 300GB and i sat through about 40 minutes of Pass 1.
[17:49] <rob0> Those are partitions (some of which are typoed), not drives.
[17:49] <Dr_Willis> proberly not a real bug/problem then Ghone
[17:49] <corys_> how can I tell if I have a windows partition on /dev/sdd then?
[17:49] <russlar> Ghone: think you;ll need to let it go. assuming you're runnign an ext filesystem, run tune2fs -i 0 -c 0 /your/root/here to disably deep fscks based on mount dates and counts
[17:51] <penguin42> Hmm why would ctrl-d stop the fsck?  If the fsck failed it would drop to a shell where it would do that
[17:52] <russlar> penguin42: not if it can't read the shell (iw root fs is hosed)
[17:53] <russlar> Ghone: I suggest letting the fsck run
[17:53] <penguin42> russlar: Yeh but I'm just wondering if the reason Ghone's fsck isn't finishing is because it's failed
[17:53] <russlar> penguin42: certainly a possibility
[17:53] <russlar> penguin42: but I also think it just needs more time
[17:54] <penguin42> russlar: But then that's the question of why does ctrl-d cause it to exit?
[17:54] <russlar> dunno about that one, but I have seen that same behavior with RHEL
[17:54] <russlar> Ghone: can you boot to a live cd?
[17:55] <Ghone> I tried booting from a liveuSB and it also went all fscky on me.
[17:55] <frybye> ps - updated from jaunty nbr to karmic beta nbr a could of hours ago = super - very nice - seems one has to add the shutdown button to top panel with a right click etc. if one wants it - but up till now that was only issue I found...for a beta spez. version - good.
[17:55] <tramsei>  I have a problem on Ubuntu with dhcpd3 not starting on boot.  i installed sysv-rc-conf and it says that it's setup to run on runlevels 2,3,4,5 but it doesn't appear to be running when i start the system.  any idea why this could be?
[17:55] <doktoreas> hello folks..I ahev strange problem with audio on karmic..each time I recive a sound messge from any source, the audio device make a solt of noise like a bump
[17:56] <russlar> Ghone: try a CD, if possible
[17:56] <penguin42> frybye: Do you have a blob with your username in the panel - that has a menu with shutdown for me
[17:56] <DanaG> hmm, one thing you can do: alt-sysrq-E
[17:56] <DanaG> it'll terminate upstart jobs, but not kill everything.
[17:56] <frybye> penguin - no - for some reason that is not there... i start it again now and have another look but I don't think so...
[17:57] <penguin42> frybe: Add the indicator applet session applet
[17:57] <Ghone> russlar: will do.
[17:58] <frybye> penguin42: perhaps it has something to do with the fact that I did not take the preset kernal from the grub/startup list but the one above it (newer apparently... why it preset to an older version I am not sure...?)
[17:58] <penguin42> frybye: I doubt it's related
[17:59] <frybye> Have it running now - no username button... but no big deal cos the shurdown button I added is fine.. it also allows logout - restart etc...
[17:59] <frybye> penguin42: can It be that I dont have a user button cos there is only one user on that system?
[18:00] <penguin42> frybye: Nah, I suspect it's just an upgradism - I'm not sure what you get on a fresh karmic install
[18:00] <frybye> no big deal - and remember this is a netbook remix - so a bit short of space for loads of stuff anyhow up there.. 10" screen...
[18:01] <penguin42> ah, I've not tried that
[18:01] <frybye> penguin42: on a netbook it seems to be very cool... i like it loads...
[18:01] <Ghone> It seems that I am able to boot a Karmic Alpha 5 LiveCD but not a Jaunty LiveUSB.
[18:01] <russlar> ok....
[18:01] <penguin42> Ghone: Well that's heading in the right direction
[18:02] <frybye> Ghone: why use alpha5 - there is a beta??
[18:02] <dtchen> why use a Beta? There are dailies.
[18:02] <russlar> Ghone: find the root disk with fdisk -l, then run fsck -fy -C 0 /root/disk/here
[18:02] <Ghone> I haven't got the beta on a CD, just on a USB stick at work and can't get there.
[18:03] <russlar> the alpha is fine for what you need to do
[18:03] <hsarci> the compiz "pulse" effect for buttons doesnt work for me, does it work for anyone else?
[18:04] <frybye> dtchen: right there I guess...
[18:04] <Ghone> fsck running from the liveCD actually shows progress.  This might be a good thing.
[18:04] <russlar> Ghone: has teh fsck started yet?
[18:05] <dtchen> Ghone: do you have the original image/file used to generate the usb stick?
[18:05] <russlar> Ghone: yes, that's teh -C 0 flag
[18:05] <frybye> another quest. Am I right when I think that Ubuntu one can only be accessed with a machine running ubuntu? (- which seems to defeat the point of cloud storage a bit...?)
[18:06] <russlar> frybye: not if they're trying to push ubuntu adoption ;)
[18:06] <frybye> if the stuff one has there is supposed to be accessable from all over - what does on do on a machine running <other-than-ubuntu> in a setting where booting to an alternative os dosen't come into question...
[18:06] <Ghone> dtchen: Very likely yes.  Now that I have a running fsck that isn't playing dead I think I'll wait and see what happens.
[18:07] <frybye> I mean - using the terminal at a public library with windows - and can you imagine what would happen if you even tried to boot to a ubuntu-live cd... heheh
[18:07] <Dr_Willis> frybye:  i think they have a web interface as well.
[18:07] <Dr_Willis> frybye:  so you can get to your files that way. and your tomboy notes
[18:08] <frybye> hmmm I tried to access https://ubuntuone.com but it did not seem to want to come up on a win7 pc...
[18:08] <frybye> perhaps just lame .. ok it is there now.. good - that makes sence of the whole system...
[18:09] <dtchen> Ghone: if you have the original, you can zsync to the Beta or even a daily.
[18:09] <dtchen> Ghone: cdimage.ubuntu.com
[18:13] <Ghone> dtchen: I'm not sure that will work if I die of old age before fsck completes.  21.3%.....  I think I might need to buy a faster drive.
[18:14] <naresh> :D
[18:16] <tanath> compiz appears to be running, but none of the effects/plugins work
[18:16] <danlii> Is there some way to make gdm not use the chooser, and instead make the user type in the username?
[18:16] <Dr_Willis> watch the fsck messages next time it boots.. if it mentions somtuing like 'fsck date set to future - check forced' then you might want to try setting the clock ahead a day
[18:16] <Ghone> fsck woke up.  I think things are going to be okay.  russlar may have saved my day!
[18:16] <Dr_Willis> danlii:  not at this time that i know of.
[18:17] <Ghone> Dr_Willis:  It said it was fscking due to 22 reboots.
[18:17] <hsarci> anyone use the "pulse" compiz effect? i cant seem to get it working
[18:17] <Dr_Willis> Ghone:  ok. thats sort of normal :)
[18:18] <Dr_Willis> Ghone:  that # is setable with tune2fs
[18:18] <tanath> danlii, yeah, it's been done to me against my will :P
[18:18] <tanath> after last reboot, my user disappeared from login screen
[18:18] <russlar> ghone: what fs is your root? ext3/4?
[18:19] <Ghone> ext3.  fsck just completed.
[18:19] <danlii> tanath: You could perhaps grep for "chooser" in /etc/gdm/*
[18:19] <russlar> Ghone: cool. I suggest running this command: tune2fs -i 0 -c 0 /your/root
[18:19] <russlar> that will disable fsck's that are triggered by date
[18:20] <russlar> and number of times it's mounted
[18:20] <Ghone> Once it got past 21.7% it just flew.
[18:20] <Ghone> I think I'll do that.
[18:20] <tanath> danlii, i see a bunch of stuff...
[18:20] <russlar> I'm guessing your disk is 22% full?
[18:20] <Ghone> Is there any way to make a forced fsck display output?
[18:20] <tanath> danlii, nothing that looks helpful
[18:20] <russlar> yes, -v
[18:21] <rob0> I had to reboot recently; we had an extended power outage which outlasted my UPS. :(
[18:21] <balanceofcowards> Hi everyone
[18:21] <Ghone> No, it's more like 85% full.  Lots of crap that out to be deleted.
[18:21] <rob0> But I took the opportunity to install a new hard drive and boot a new kernel.
[18:21] <balanceofcowards> I got Problems with the Alternate CD - it won't boot. I get the boot screen, but it doesn't get beyond that. Any ideas?
[18:23] <balanceofcowards> First option in the boot menu is "instald". Choosing that gives me a message box saying "/install/vmdinuz" and an OK button
[18:23] <Ghone> Yay!   I has bootage!
[18:23] <balanceofcowards> pressing Enter afterwards just returns to the menu - no installation
[18:23] <russlar> Ghone: :D
[18:23] <topyli> trying out netbook remix. sometimes when i close a window, the panel redraws and is empty (no applets are showing)
[18:24] <Ghone> Now I'm trying to go back to breaking things trying to get my keyboard working properly.
[18:24] <Ghone> Nevermind.  It magically works now.
[18:25] <Dr_Willis> the magical keyboard faries
[18:25] <frybye> jeez - pretty stupid - ubuntu one apparently is -only- accessable from an ubuntu-jaunty-or-karmic machine... makes the whole thing a bit pointless.. there are a lot of similar cloud storage systems that can be accessed from all over... hmmm
[18:25] <Ghone> It even lets me type the letter 'A'.  I think I like Karmic.  Edgy through Jaunty never much liked the 1,Q,A, and Z keys on this keyboard.
[18:26] <Dr_Willis> 0_o
[18:26] <penguin42> anyone know much about the power management scripts - I've got a typo and I'm not really sure where it belongs
[18:27] <penguin42> Ghone: I *very* much doubt it's a difference in Karmic that doe that - that sounds like you have a broken track
[18:27] <shadeslayer> anyone have : http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Bespin?content=63928
[18:27] <joaopinto> !ot | frybye
[18:27] <Dr_Willis> :)
[18:27] <hsarci> anyone use the "pulse" compiz effect? i cant seem to get it working
[18:27] <Dr_Willis> https://one.ubuntu.com/files/#path=/Shared%20With%20Me
[18:28] <Dr_Willis> access via web browser dont work?
[18:28] <frybye> ubuntu one is part of karmic
[18:29] <frybye> as a cloud computing device its general accessability is on topic I would think or...?
[18:29] <rob0> frybye: https://ubuntuone.com works for me from non-Ubuntu browsers.
[18:29] <Dr_Willis> rob0:  thats the point i was making. :)
[18:30] <Dr_Willis> files, and notes i got here.. No contacts.. not sure howyou add contacts
[18:30] <rob0> I do not have Windows, however, so I can't test that.
[18:30] <tanath> any idea why my user might disappear from the login screen after reboot?
[18:30] <Ghone> penguin42: 'A' is still working.  This rocks.
[18:31] <tanath> same user i've been using for years
[18:31] <Dr_Willis> you wore it out.
[18:31] <tanath> lol
[18:31] <Dr_Willis> login via console..?
[18:31] <tanath> nope. gdm'
[18:31] <Dr_Willis> see if they still exist
[18:31] <tanath> i'm using it
[18:31] <tanath> but had to click 'other' and type it in
[18:31] <Arelis> So why did they decide to replace Pidgin?
[18:31] <tanath> for like the first time ever in memory
[18:32] <Dr_Willis> Pidgins doody all over the statues.
[18:32] <Dr_Willis> :)
[18:32] <Dr_Willis> taste like chicken
[18:32] <tanath> muh? what replaced pidgin
[18:32] <tanath> ?
[18:32] <Dr_Willis> empathy i think
[18:32] <Dr_Willis> i dont use either one.
[18:32] <tanath> hm
[18:32] <frybye> looks like I will have to find some ubuntu-crack locally who can show me how to use this ubuntu-one device - I cant even add files to it on my ubuntu netbook... forget the theme for now...
[18:33] <tanath> Dr_Willis, then what?
[18:33] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu one is a work in progress...
[18:33] <Dr_Willis> IRC is the ultimate chat. :)
[18:33] <tanath> heh
[18:33] <Travis-42> Arelis: it's not entirely replaced, it's just a different default
[18:33] <tanath> yeah, check out the text-based video
[18:34] <frybye> also a similar system from the evil empire does not seem to want to work on ubuntu either - so thats pretty much quits...
[18:34] <nemo> joaopinto: 0.9.12 Hedgewars is out, FWIW - you do the getdeb right?
[18:34] <frybye> Dr_Willis: I note your comment - thanx
[18:35] <nemo> joaopinto: http://download.gna.org/hedgewars/hedgewars-src-0.9.12.tar.bz2
[18:35] <joaopinto> nemo, yup, will package it for playdeb
[18:35] <joaopinto> tks
[18:35] <Dr_Willis> i click on my tomboy notes in ubuntone and get a server error. ;)
[18:35] <Dr_Willis> Ubuntu-One - is very very very much a work in progress.
[18:35] <frybye> Dr_Willis: well - perhaps it is not just -lame-me- who has probs with u-1
[18:36] <joaopinto> Dr_Willis, you mean karmic^H^H^H^H ubuntu one ?
[18:36] <Dr_Willis> The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
[18:36] <Dr_Willis> Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@ubuntuone.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.
[18:36] <Dr_Willis> 'i clicked on a link mr admin..'
[18:36] <tanath> Dr_Willis, wow, they actually picked something worse than pidgin
[18:36] <frybye> Dr_Willis: yeaj I have seen that one a few times also in the last hour.. heheh
[18:36] <Dr_Willis> You broke it..
[18:37] <Dr_Willis> 'Mr admin - a guy on irc broke it...'
[18:37] <Dr_Willis> :)
[18:37] <frybye> ha - funny - ha!
[18:37] <Dr_Willis> Trying to upload a image file.
[18:37] <shadeslayer> anyone using bespin?
[18:38] <shadeslayer> the kde windeco
[18:38] <frybye> yeah - can you imagine the audacity - he treid to do it from win7... heheh
[18:38] <penguin42> Dr_Willis: I think the other thing that's needed for Ubuntu One is some statement about just how much resiliance/backup it has - If I'm storing data on a cloud I want to know what keeps the cloud up
[18:38]  * Dr_Willis thinks cloud is becomming another meaningless buzz word.
[18:38] <frybye> penguin42: clouds where always 99% thin air and 1% structure... heheh
[18:39] <penguin42> Dr_Willis: It's mostly hot air
[18:39] <tanath> how the hell do i make empathy functional?
[18:39]  * penguin42 snap :-)
[18:39] <tanath> apparently have to add protocols, but there's nothing i'm finding in the repos..
[18:39] <frybye> penguin42: right on...
[18:39] <Ghone> Aren't some clouds mostly cold air that's just too disorganized to fall down of their own accord?
[18:39]  * penguin42 has a disagreement between hal and the quirk scripts and I'm trying to figure out which is wrong
[18:40] <tanath> i know pidgin needs work, but unfortunately it's the best out for linux. should prolly stick with it. fork it if necessary
[18:40] <joaopinto> tanath, you don't mean fork, you mean rewrite
[18:40] <tanath> joaopinto, or that
[18:41] <frybye> Ghone - maybe they need a few more glider-pilots to work at canonical?? ;)
[18:41] <joaopinto> there are multiple tecnhological benefits from empathy, it's a long term bet
[18:41] <tanath> joaopinto, but empathy looks like it has even further to go
[18:41] <tanath> joaopinto, mm. well how is one supposed to make it work now?
[18:41] <joaopinto> tanath, yes it does, however it has much more were to go
[18:41] <tanath> heh
[18:42] <joaopinto> tanath, unless you are a developer, you need to wait, or install pidgin
[18:42] <joaopinto> where to
[18:42] <tanath> already have pidgin, but it freezes after running too long
[18:42] <tanath> so it's practically unusuable
[18:42] <russlar> Ghone: tell that to sidekick users
[18:42] <tanath> leave it for a few hours and my system locks up
[18:43] <joaopinto> tanath, that's odd, never had such problem
[18:43] <tanath> i have lately, with the last several releases
[18:44] <hsarci> anyone use the "pulse" compiz effect? i cant seem to get it working
[18:44] <Ghone> I think I said _some_
[18:44]  * Dr_Willis doesnet even knwo what the Pulse compiz effect is.. :)
[18:44] <tanath> joaopinto, well, i eagerly await improvements to empathy
[18:44] <hsarci> Dr_Willis, its under "blur"
[18:44] <tanath> hsarci, yeah, what does that do, anyway?
[18:45] <hsarci> pulse is supposed to make buttons "pulse" when you hover over them
[18:45] <tanath> i can't get _any_ compiz effects working at the moment
[18:45] <hsarci> it doesnt do anything for me
[18:45] <tanath> ah
[18:45] <Dr_Willis> I odnt even see what blur does...
[18:45] <tanath> it finally doesn't crash no matter what... but it's not doing anything for me either
[18:45] <Hukka> Ok, so aptitude just segfaulted on me. Twice.
[18:45] <tanath> that's not good
[18:45] <Hukka> Running extended smart tests and memtester. Any other suggestions?
[18:46]  * penguin42 worries that we've had a few people in the last couple of days with apt-get/aptitude segs
[18:46] <tormod> hukka does apt crash as well?
[18:46] <Hukka> tormod: Doesn't happen everytime with aptitude either
[18:46] <hsarci> Dr_Willis, blur will blur anything that is behind someting using an alpha(or opaque) effect
[18:46] <Hukka> tormod: So not so far, but doesn't rule it out
[18:46] <amgarchIn9> does standby work properly on your 9.10? Check by "echo standby > /sys/power/state" Mine hangs up for "standby" but works with "mem" and "disk" suspends.
[18:46] <tanath> glad mine's ok. i love my aptitude :P
[18:46] <Hukka> I don't think it has to do with aptitude, really
[18:46] <Hukka> Must be a hw failure
[18:47] <tanath> my suspend failed to resume today
[18:47] <Hukka> Could explain my other quirky problems compiling kernels and my not working nVidia acceleration
[18:47] <tormod> Hukka, and deleting /var/cache/apt/*.bin does not help?
[18:47] <Hukka> tormod: Just running the same aptitude command immediately again helps
[18:47] <tanath> i figured it was the fact that i upgraded teh kernel without rebooting
[18:47] <Hukka> So it's a very transient problem
[18:47] <tormod> very strange
[18:47] <stpere> Hukka: with a beta distro, you can't really rule out a software bug
[18:47] <hsarci> amgarchIn9, my standbay works fine
[18:48] <Hukka> stpere: I suppose, yeah
[18:48] <tormod> stpere, it is not beta anylonger :)
[18:48] <tormod> we're close to release...
[18:48] <Hukka> But what other tests could I run on hw?
[18:48] <stpere> technically iyt still is
[18:48] <Hukka> For example to make sure the sata controller is not corrupting data
[18:48] <stpere> until the 22, then it will be release candidate :)
[18:48] <tormod> Hukka, running another distro/version would be a good hw test
[18:49] <Hukka> tormod: I installed Karmic last night, after problems with debian, actually...
[18:49] <Hukka> Though that's not that much different
[18:49] <joaopinto> nemo, is that source final ? just to be sure because it's not listed on the website yet
[18:49] <tormod> Hukka, I see. then replacing hw parts one by one... memory etc
[18:50] <Hukka> tormod: Which is a bit too costly to be feasible, for anything else than hw and memory :/
[18:50] <stpere> for what it's worth, it really feels beta to me :)
[18:50] <Hukka> Is there really no test that would continously write on hd and read it back, to test the controller for example?
[18:51] <tormod> Hukka, compiling the kernel is a great stress test :)
[18:51] <Ghone> might be a good idea to run memtest86 first
[18:51] <Hukka> tormod: That seems to work. Or well, at least I've managed to make a kernel I can boot into in the last 72 hours
[18:51] <Hukka> (Not thanks to the kernel-package, curse the debian maintainers...)
[18:51] <rob0> there is badblocks(8), but it's of doubtful use for modern error-remapping hard drives.
[18:51] <dupondje> Isn't there a Eclipse PDT package for Ubuntu Karmic ?
[18:52] <rob0> What is the real problem you're seeing?
[18:53] <rob0> "not working nVidia acceleration", I would ask nvidia.
[18:53] <rob0> also: 17:48 < tormod> Hukka, running another distro/version would be a good hw test
[18:54] <Hukka> :/ Any idea which non debian derivative would be the least akward?
[18:54] <Hukka> Don't say RH
[18:54] <joaopinto> uh, changing distros is an hw integrity test ?
[18:54] <ikonia> clearly not
[18:54] <Ghone> Hukka: what nVidia card are you using?
[18:55] <nemo> joaopinto: is listed now
[18:55] <nemo> joaopinto: as are torrents
[18:55] <nemo> but yes, is final
[18:55] <nemo> joaopinto: sorry. was busy in #hedgewars :-/
[18:56] <amgarchIn9> does "xrandr --output LVDS  --mode 1024x768" changes the resolution of your LCD?
[18:56] <Hukka> rob0: I did ask them. The problems I've seen so far are: a few random crashes of aptitude, system freezing when trying to use any 3D features or two screens with nVidia driver, and some weird non-loading kernel modules with error "exec format error" (file said they were "data" not "ELF binaries")
[18:56] <stpere> joaopinto: the goal was to remove the "beta" from the equation
[18:56] <Hukka> Ghone: GTX 260
[18:56] <rob0> Hukka might want a recent live CD / USB distro to test with. I wouldn't do an install, no.
[18:57] <Hukka> Unfortunately nv doesn't support high resolutions, otherwise I would use that. I even installed nouveau, but it
[18:57] <Hukka> 's rendering is glitchy
[18:57] <rob0> huh? I use nv here, 1680x1050
[18:57] <Hukka> rob0: 2560x1600
[18:57] <rob0> and dual head
[18:57] <dupondje> Where to get Eclipse PDT ?
[18:57] <Hukka> Doesn't support duallink dvi resolutions, AFAIK
[18:57] <Ghone> Hukka: Too new for my blood, but I've seen a few of my nVidia cards burn up in the past causing random seemingly unrelated problems.  If you've got another card you can use temporarily, or even on-board GFX it might be worth trying it.
[18:58] <Hukka> Ghone: I'm in the middle of trying to find someone who still uses windows to test the card
[18:58] <Hukka> Seems to be a rare breed these days on people I know (apart from laptop/netbook users)
[18:59] <rob0> My card has VGA, DVI, and TV connectors, and it shows in the X log as three-headed, although I've only used two (VGA+DVI).
[19:00] <Hukka> But anyway, I can't imagine that the 3d card could cause sw to segfault, nor corrupt installed modules
[19:00] <joaopinto> stpere, beta is part of the hw integrity validation
[19:00] <joaopinto> is not
[19:01] <Ghone> Hukka, I've had 3 NV cards that caused weird problems.  Don't count it out.
[19:01] <Hukka> "Computers are deterministic" my ass... this is occassionally voodoo...
[19:01] <Ghone> If that sucker got a little too hot once, it'll act as fruity as bad RAM.
[19:02] <Pconfig> hey, i just upgraded to karmic beta from jaunty but the process didn't go smoothly. I wasn't on my computer when the crash happened but for some reason kdesudo crashed and the process hung. Now .. how can i be sure i have all packages needed and it didn't remove the old (unsupported) packages like gcc 4.3
[19:10] <dupondje> Buttons broken in Java apps? Just installed Aptana here, and half of buttons I can't click with mouse, but can do by pressing enter
[19:12] <BluesKaj> Pconfig, close and reopen the terminal , do a :  sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[19:13] <GneXteR> Bah... can still not run xvid files =(
[19:13] <rsk> GneXteR: tried mplayer filename in a terminal?
[19:14] <GneXteR> may try
[19:14] <Pconfig> BluesKaj: That did nothing, that's a good sign right?
[19:14] <BluesKaj> yes
[19:15] <BluesKaj> ok now , do a sudo aptitude update
[19:15] <Pconfig> done
[19:16] <BluesKaj> any updates ready to upgrade?
[19:16] <GneXteR> rsk,  object file: No such file or directory
[19:17] <Pconfig> BluesKaj: nope
[19:17] <BluesKaj> Pconfig, run,  sudo aptitude safe-upgrade to be sure
[19:17] <balanceofcowards> re: problems with alternate CD - I burned a second CD, checked MD5 sums, checked the CD. Still can't install with the alternate CD. Is this a known error?
[19:18] <Pconfig> BluesKaj: done, nothing again
[19:18] <mfraz74> using UNR Karmic, is there any reason why I've got Nvidia packages installed?
[19:18] <BluesKaj> ok Pconfig , you should be ok then
[19:19] <Pconfig> BluesKaj; ok thanks. Any easy way to get rid of gcc 4.3 and other obslote packages?
[19:19] <GneXteR> rsk,  get only sound with VLC
[19:20] <Hukka> Mail doesn't get sent, "exec error"... :/
[19:20] <GneXteR> [0xb7404b28] main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `XVID'.
[19:20] <Hukka> Gaah!
[19:20] <Hukka> Things are breaking right under me, and fast
[19:20] <rsk> GneXteR: replace filename with the actual filename
[19:21] <BluesKaj> Pconfig, try sudo aptitude autoclean
[19:21] <GneXteR> I did
[19:21] <rsk> GneXteR: is the file uppercase anyhow like a letter? that needs to be in the filename aswell
[19:22] <rsk> GneXteR: try mplayer <autocomplete/tabbing> file
[19:22] <GneXteR> rsk, but I dont have mplayer... tryed to install but it couldnt because of some dep's
[19:22] <GneXteR> Did that
[19:22] <rsk> ok mplayer is installable here, so something else is bugged aswell
[19:22] <GneXteR> mplayer: Depends: libdirectfb-1.0-0 but it is not installable
[19:22] <Pconfig> BluesKaj; already tried that
[19:23] <GneXteR> ok
[19:23] <GneXteR> it doesnt play in totem or vlc either =(
[19:24] <balanceofcowards> did anyone actually perform a successful install with the alternate cd so far?
[19:24] <GneXteR> and Ubuntu-restricted-extras depends of mscorefonts which won't work
[19:24] <balanceofcowards> The menu even looks buggy to me - it probably should say "install" instead of "instald" and "Mainmenu" instead of "eainmenu"
[19:24] <GneXteR> Has anyone else managed to install ttf-mscorefonts-installer?
[19:25] <BluesKaj> Pconfig, if you are sure it's obsolete, there's an app that removes orphaned packages, but I've forgotten the name
[19:25] <adam7> balanceofcowards: did you put it in english?
[19:25] <BluesKaj> !orphaned
[19:25] <balanceofcowards> adam7: I chose English as language
[19:25] <webbb82> i have a weird bug in empaTHY when im instant messaging back and forth the window doesnt scroll down and follow the conversation i have to keep clickin the down arrow
[19:25] <balanceofcowards> but that doesn't matter. Install works with no language whatsoever
[19:26] <BluesKaj> Pconfig, apt/aptitude should remove obsolete pkges automatically , unless they were compiled from source
[19:29] <Pconfig> BluesKaj: ok thanks, that means i'm fine
[19:29] <BluesKaj> Pconfig, http://ubuntu-tutorials.blogspot.com/2007/01/cleaning-up-ubuntu-gnulinux-system.html
[19:34] <GneXteR> things are happening here
[19:34] <GneXteR> many updates:p
[19:34] <Kiption> so is the notify stuff supposed to blur if I mouse over it?
[19:37] <LLStarks> notify is annoying if cups or your printer is acting up.
[19:38] <Kiption> no printer attached
[19:38] <Kiption> the messages show up
[19:38] <Kiption> i mouse over because i would think that would cause them to stay up so i can read them
[19:38] <Kiption> but they blur instead
[19:38] <Kiption> and then disapeer
[19:38] <Jordan_U> Kiption: The idea is that they should never get in the way of your work
[19:39] <Kiption> hmmm
[19:39] <Kiption> Jordan_U: are there any configuration options for it that aren't installed by default?
[19:40] <coz_> hey guys  ..is that white ubuntu logo during boot  going to stay there?  please say no lol
[19:41] <Jordan_U> Kiption: The whole idea of notify-osd is that the notifications are never interactive, so there is no option to make them interactive / not fade when you move the mouse over them
[19:43] <mfraz74> trouble is you can't read what's underneath  them
[19:44] <Jordan_U> mfraz74: You can if you move the cursor over them
[19:49] <CPrgmSwR2> should I file a bug for my no sound issue
[19:52] <dtchen> yes
[19:52] <dtchen> ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[19:56] <G_A_C> hmm, I just got an error; apparently I need to notify you guys that my display server is broken, and there was a link to a gnome.org blog entry on blanking....
[20:02] <brian_> i am trying  to use gnome-do docky but it is so slow and lags i cant use it
[20:06] <coz_> hey guys ...for ubuntu software center I am getting this error   ImportError: /usr/lib/libwebkit-1.0.so.2: file too short
[20:06] <coz_> known bug ^^^ ??
[20:09] <brian_> does anyone els have gnome-do docky lag and very very slow
[20:09] <coz_> brian_,  sorry guy I dont use  gnome-do
[20:10] <brian_> oh
[20:10] <coz_> brian_,  I could install and test here hold on
[20:11] <brian_> thanks that would be really nice of you
[20:11] <mfraz74> used to use gnome-do, but uninstalled it after i found it very slow in updating
[20:11] <penguin42> brian_: It's OK, took a second or two to come up that time - but I don't use it a lot, was much faster on reopening
[20:11] <natewiebe132> alright.. here is my issue.. ive got a computer here with 9.04 installed on it.. it has no optical drive, and there is no option to boot from a usb device.. ive got the 9.10 on a flash drive.. is there an entry i can add to grub to boot from the usb device?
[20:12] <brian_> when i hover the mouse over it it will lag for a split second
[20:12] <brian_> everytime
[20:14] <coz_> brian_,  how do you get this to use the docky thing
[20:14] <wirechief> natewiebe132: booting from usb comes from the bios
[20:14] <Liberty> Is there any place for a beggining programer to learn how to write c programs.
[20:14] <brian_> click on the triangle in the corner of the search box then preffs
[20:14] <natewiebe132> wirechief: yes.. and as i said, the bios has no option to boot from usb device
[20:14] <penguin42> natewiebe132: I think you should be able to use grub's chainboot option or you could specify the device
[20:14] <brian_> then goto the last tab and choose theme docky
[20:15] <coz_> Liberty,  you could start in the #programming   channel
[20:15] <natewiebe132> penguin42: any ideas how?
[20:15] <penguin42> natewiebe132: However, if the bios can't see the usb device you're stuck - I'd boot grub, get to the menu and then try tab completing the devices, see if it sees it as a block device
[20:15] <Liberty> coz lol thanks I'm new to this irc thing too
[20:15] <wirechief> natewiebe132: i think your stuck, however i think i saw something a while back from mcnlive that you could do it but you still needed a cdrom disk :(
[20:15] <penguin42> natewiebe132: The other possibility would be to copy the kernel/initrd into the /boot on your hard disc and add an entry into the grub to boot it - pointing the root to the usb
[20:16] <coz_> brian_,  ok which video card are you using     in terminal     lspci | grep -i vga
[20:16] <natewiebe132> penguin42: i have found a way of booting xp from a flash disk.. what changes would i need?
[20:17] <brian_> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[20:17] <wirechief> also its possible if you do what is called fromiso , the iso resides on your hd, perhaps it would be similar and could be adapted
[20:17] <penguin42> natewiebe132: I'm about to disappear so haven't got time to do the full explanation; I'd say try seeing if grub can see the usb (try the tab complete) then if so I'd try a chainboot
[20:17] <brian_> coz_, 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[20:17] <brian_> oops sorry for the double post
[20:18] <coz_> brian_,  all I can say is this is most likely a video issue  perhaps  set more memory for the intel video in the bios  but I am not sure   docky seems awkwared here  although I have a low end nvidia card  right now
[20:18] <natewiebe132> penguin42: alright.. thanks for the info
[20:19] <brian_> coz_, everything els doesnt lag  its only docky
[20:19] <Thirtysixway> Is there any plan to release any torrents early as to help with download speeds on release day?
[20:21] <wirechief> Thirtysixway: you could use zsync it would update the local .iso
[20:22] <wirechief> http://unixlab.blogspot.com/2009/10/downloading-ubuntu-910-beta-with-zsync.html
[20:22] <Thirtysixway> wouldn't that invalidate the torrent because of hash checking?
[20:22] <brian_> coz_, go here and scroll down a little  how do i edit the xorg.conf file in karmic    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/UxaTesting
[20:22] <coz_> brian_,   yes I know about UXA  and EXA
[20:23] <coz_> brian_,  i dont have intel video here but if  EXA works then go for it :)
[20:23] <brian_> how do i edit xorg.conf last time i checked karmic koala doesnt have a xorg conf file
[20:25] <BluesKaj> brian_, you can run dpkg-configure xserver-xorg in the terminal or TTY , and that should generate an xorg.conf file
[20:26] <shiznebit> hi
[20:26] <brian_> it wont screw everything up will it
[20:26] <BluesKaj> no
[20:26] <shiznebit> i was curious in top what does %wa stand
[20:27] <shiznebit> for.
[20:27] <brian_>  dpkg-configure command not found
[20:28] <brian_> dpkg-configure: command not found
[20:28] <shiznebit> dpkg --configure
[20:28] <brian_> dang sorry again
[20:28] <BluesKaj> brian_, try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[20:29] <BluesKaj> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[20:31] <brian_> BluesKaj, it just droped down a line
[20:31] <brian_> nothing happen ed
[20:31] <BluesKaj> clean install ?
[20:32] <brian_> i just did a week ago
[20:33] <BluesKaj> brian_, I guess it's obsolete , i don't have it anymor either
[20:33] <brian_> ya
[20:33] <brian_> so how would i do this  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/UxaTesting
[20:36] <BluesKaj> brian_, try this in the run box if you're on kde , kdesudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf , on gnome use the equivalent
[20:38] <duffydack> my epson sx400 still doesnt detect scanner.. still needs iscan from epson..  hmmm
[20:40] <sebsebseb>  
[20:42] <webbb82> ok sorry i had to reboot
[20:43] <ikus060> I have glxgears crashing here and I wonder how I can retrieve the core dump.
[20:43] <webbb82> you said try xorg.conf in the launch menu?
[20:43] <ikus060> Where is it supposed to be located
[20:44] <BluesKaj> webbb82, alt+f2 , kdesudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[20:45] <BluesKaj> if you are running kde , on gnome I've forgotten the name of the text editor
[20:45] <webbb82> BluesKaj, ya that opened the xorg.conf
[20:45] <coz_> gedit
[20:45] <coz_> gedit is gnome's text editor
[20:45] <BluesKaj> it's been 5 yrs :P
[20:46] <coz_> :)
[20:46] <X^rAY> Hi Guys, how yous doing.
[20:47] <X^rAY> Anyone any experience with Grub2?
[20:47] <X^rAY> A bit stuck with Grub2 on Karmic
[20:47] <coz_> X^rAY,  not much at this point   although for more info you could go to #grub channel :)
[20:47] <coz_> X^rAY,  what are you stuck with?
[20:47] <X^rAY> Good thinking coz! :)
[20:47] <BluesKaj> dunno how much editing xorg is with the UXA now being the default
[20:48] <BluesKaj> good
[20:48] <X^rAY> Well, just tried to install Gentoo on a separate partition
[20:48] <BluesKaj> !grub2
[20:48] <coz_> X^rAY,   did you run  sudo update-grub  ?
[20:49] <X^rAY> coz: yep, and when I do that, it displays the Gentoo partition, but it never makes it into grub.cfg
[20:49] <coz_> X^rAY, mm  ok then  definilty go to #grub channel :)
[20:49] <X^rAY> coz: Sound, cheers!
[20:49] <X^rAY> Take it easy all!
[20:49] <jlilly> hey guys. xorg is hovering at around 100% cpu usage. The only non-default I have is I'm using xmonad as my windowmanager. Any thoughts?
[20:49] <robin0800> X^rAY: did you edit /etc/default/grub
[20:50] <jlilly> (previous attempts to revert back to metacity or compiz haven't yielded a solution)
[20:52] <Brian_> ok coz_  or BluesKaj i need help i just did all that and now i cant login to my computer
[20:53] <Brian_> parse error on line 4
[20:54] <mfraz74> what does line 4 say?
[20:56] <Brian_> i add'd this
[20:56] <Brian_> Section "Device"
[20:56] <Brian_>         Identifier    "Configured Video Device"
[20:56] <Brian_>         # ...
[20:56] <Brian_>         Option        "AccelMethod" "uxa"
[20:56] <Brian_> EndSection
[20:56] <Brian_> into xorg.conf and now i cant login
[20:58] <Brian_> i think i just have to del the xorg.conf file i made
[20:58] <Brian_> xorg.conf was empty before i add'd that to it
[20:58] <JDahl> Has anyone here figured out how to install acroread on 64bit?
[20:59] <mfraz74> there needs to be more in xorg.conf than those lines
[20:59] <Brian_> in karmic koala it uses somthing els thats why xorg.conf was empty but i dont know what to do now
[21:00] <Brian_> i cant login it says no such file or dir unable to connect to x server
[21:01] <mfraz74> can you still log in to terminal?
[21:01] <ck773> is there a better irc client for Ubuntu? Empathy doesn't work very well for me.
[21:01] <Ian_Corne> xchat
[21:02] <Frickelpit> Irssi ;)
[21:02] <hacknslash> ck773, pidgin
[21:02] <ck773> matter of taste then :)
[21:02] <BluesKaj> Brian_, are you at a TTY ? if so,  sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf then edit out what you added ...if you need help with graphics we can help . editing xorg doesn't do much anymore
[21:03] <Brian_> BluesKaj:  thanks so much
[21:03] <shiznebit> whats Karmic use in place of xorg.conf
[21:04] <Brian_> ya im just trying to get gnome-do docky to not lag when i hover the mouse over it
[21:04] <wirechief> X -config
[21:04] <BluesKaj> brian , ctrl + o saves your edit , ctrl + X , exits from the file , the do a startx
[21:04] <BluesKaj> then
[21:04] <joaopinto> shiznebit, it automatically detects your devices, if you need you can still create a xorg.conf, it will be used
[21:05] <Brian_> joaopinto: i just did and it wouldnt let me login
[21:05] <shiznebit> joaopinto, is it true that Xserver isn't root anymore
[21:06] <shiznebit> or did i miss read something
[21:06] <joaopinto> shiznebit, no it is not true
[21:12] <gogeta> hey
[21:17] <arand> When an application crashes, is the CoreDump really supposed to contain a partial listing of the contents of your home dir!?
[21:19] <guntbert> arand: that depends entirely on the app
[21:21] <ransom> hey everyone.  I am having a problem loading Karmic from a USB on my Eee PC 701.  xstart will fire up just fine, but when it comes time for GDM to start all I get is a blinking mouse cursor and an otherwise black screen.  Has anyone else had/heard of this problem?
[21:21] <arand> guntbert: I just reported a bug about brasero and it's spilling far to much beans in that crashdump, should this be reported against apport or brasero?
[21:22] <jetienne> !info python-django
[21:23] <guntbert> arand: no idea about what brasero would "need to know" - but apport only takes what is already there in the dump - I *think* - I'd report against brasero first
[21:26] <arand> guntbert: hmm, yea, gonna ask in -bugs as well... I mean, listing contents of .quakelive, that's really something wronggoing there...
[21:28] <guntbert> arand: the listing cannot be prevented once the content is in brasero's memory - the question should be: "does it need that...?"
[21:30] <duffydack> with my sx400 all in one, xsane wont detect scanner unless I run with gksudo/sudo.
[21:31] <Hukka> Hmh
[21:31] <Hukka> How does one compile custom kernel in ubuntu?
[21:31] <duffydack> thats actually the case with 9.04 too,  but the "iscan" software from epson works...
[21:31] <Hukka> Not make-kpkg as in Debian?
[21:31] <coz_> anything on software-center  ...I keep getting  ImportError: /usr/lib/libwebkit-1.0.so.2: file too short
[21:31] <Hukka> The resulting deb seemed to install fine, but the kernel can't boot. Instead it drops into busybox
[21:32] <mfraz74> coz_: i'm not getting that here
[21:32] <Hukka> Says it can't find init, so maybe something wrong in initramfs or mounting root
[21:32] <guntbert> !kernel | Hukka
[21:32] <BUGabundo> g'nuit guys
[21:34] <guntbert> BUGabundo: its getting late around here too :)
[21:34] <Hukka> guntbert: As far as I can see, the page says I should do what I did
[21:35] <Hukka> With the small exception that I use INITRD in environment, not in commandline
[21:36] <guntbert> Hukka: PUEL never comes packed with a distro (as far as I know), you'd have to add an extra software source for it
[21:36] <Hukka> guntbert: PUEL?
[21:37] <rob0> Probably means the wrong rootfs given as root= to the kernel.
[21:37] <guntbert> Hukka: soory - wrong window - please ignore
[21:37] <Hukka> So, anyway. I don't quite remember was init supposed to be run before or after pivot-root
[21:38] <Hukka> Depending on that either the created initramfs is missing the init binary, or for some reason doesn't pivot
[21:38] <Hukka> Ah, now I got it
[21:38] <Hukka> There's a message "EXT4-fs: sda2: not marked OK to use with test code"
[21:39]  * Hukka goes googling
[21:39] <DanaG> weird... that message only exists in old kernels, back from when ext4 was called ext4dev.
[21:40] <Hukka> DanaG: This is an older kernel, 2.6.27
[21:40] <Hukka> I'm testing if a problem I have is a regression
[21:40] <DanaG> ah.
[21:40] <DanaG> ah yeah, you need to tune2fs -o test_fs /dev/sda2
[21:40] <DanaG> ... and each time you boot a newer kernel, it will reset that flag.
[21:40] <Hukka> -E, but yeah :)
[21:40] <DanaG> er, yeah, E.  whatever.
[21:40] <DanaG> =þ
[21:41] <ElijahCMenifee> The funiest kernel message I ever saw was 'I cant find root and I want to Scream!', not sure who put that in their, or how many kernel releases it was there before it got changed back to a normal unable to find root.
[21:41] <Hukka> Hmh, I have to run a bootchart, I think. Startup has gone way up since the pristine installation of only server minimals
[21:44] <Hukka> I wish fsck would be configured to give more feedback
[21:45] <Hukka> Now if the splash drops into fsck, you only see that a check is forced but will have no clue on how long it will take
[21:46] <russlar> Hukka: yeah, there is a flag for fsck that will print a progress bar
[21:47] <russlar> Hukka: I've no idea how to force the automated fsck to run with it
[21:47] <DanaG> "after installin" -- truncated topic.
[21:47] <dtchen> your client stinks ;)
[21:47] <dtchen>           currently causing VirtualBox images to fail to reboot after
[21:47] <dtchen>           installing update
[21:47] <ElijahCMenifee> what is the command to determine the UUID of a partion?
[21:48] <russlar> tune2fs -l will tell you
[21:48] <Hukka> russlar: It did that in debian, I think also used to in ubuntu presplash days
[21:48] <Hukka> Detoriates from the boot experience quite a lot... "Is it stuck, did it crash?"
[21:49] <Hukka> I know that fscking 1.5 teras takes time, but I think normal users don't. Nor what is fsck
[21:49] <russlar> Hukka: someone on here earlier had that exact issue
[21:50] <russlar> Hukka: I got them to boot to a cd and fsck, and they were much happier
[21:53] <ElijahCMenifee> there was a reason i switched to xfs, extreamly fast disk checks and very good online grow support in lvm (hopping ext4 is now decent in these areas...still testing)
[21:53] <Hukka> Hmh, it doesn't seem to break with ctrl-c. That's bad
[21:54] <russlar> try ctrl+d
[21:54] <Hukka> Nope
[21:54] <Hukka> Unless there's a lag
[21:55] <Volkodav> anybody uses exaile here ? Looks like minimal view is gone ( vs Jaunty ) and OSD colors do not switch correct
[22:05] <Moopwax> Whenever I close my laptop ubuntu freezes up, I know that there was a fix for this for 9.04 but I can't find it, or any mention of it now.
[22:05] <Moopwax> Any ideas?
[22:05] <BluesKaj> powernowd
[22:05] <Moopwax> Thanks
[22:06] <timber> i reported a bug, the developers released a package that fixed it, but in my computer the bug still happening....how can i solve this?
[22:06] <dtchen> reopen the bug
[22:07] <timber> dtchen: i posted a message on launchpad...and you are the developer that released the bug
[22:07] <dtchen> timber: which bug?
[22:07] <timber> dtchen: released the package..sorry...the bug is 447602
[22:07] <dtchen> bug 447602
[22:08] <ElijahCMenifee> LOL, think any developer is going to claim to have released a bug? Bug fixes maybee, new versions that may include uninted bugs, but actually release a bug?
[22:08] <dtchen> timber: are you still using power_save in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf ?
[22:08] <timber> ElijahCMenifee: i said sorry
[22:08] <dtchen> timber: if so, remove both parameters, reboot, and see if the symptom is reproducible
[22:09] <timber> # Power down HDA controllers after 10 idle seconds
[22:09] <timber> options snd-hda-intel power_save=10 power_save_controller=N
[22:09] <timber> is this?
[22:09] <dtchen> timber: yes
[22:10] <dtchen> timber: you could just comment out the line entirely
[22:10] <timber> dtchen: ok...now i'll restart
[22:10] <timber> dtchen: thanks
[22:11] <CrocoJet> apport is working a lot in 9.10 !
[22:14] <Moopwax1> So, I installed powernowd and it still has the same issue.
[22:15] <timber> dtchen: it worked...thank you very much...and sorry for taking your time
[22:15] <vak> are there any means to rollback a killing update?
[22:15] <vak> (hi all)
[22:15] <hsarci> will karmic beta users be able to upgade to the final verison once its released?
[22:15] <rsk> hsarci: yes
[22:16] <rob0> Huh? I heard that beta users would be forbidden to do so. ;)
[22:18] <Hukka> *snif* Launchpad doesn't want my reports. "Something went wrong"
[22:18] <BUGabundo> Hukka: press refresh
[22:18] <duffydack> submit a bug about launchpad
[22:18] <Hukka> BUGabundo: Yeah, it's refreshing still
[22:18] <Hukka> duffydack: :)
[22:20] <vak> no way to restore a state of the last update?
[22:21] <wild_oscar> hi there!
[22:21] <wild_oscar> is there anyone else having issues with nfs-kernel-server?
[22:21] <wild_oscar> the service is hanging at  "Starting NFS kernel daemon"
[22:22] <ElijahCMenifee> vak, with a lot of black magic, voodo, and cmd line snickery, you probably could but would need to boot in a Live-CD to have a valid running envrionment to do some apt-get removes and installs with specific packages to replace the stuff not offically supported see !downgrade
[22:22] <ElijahCMenifee> !downgrade
[22:23] <vak> ElijahCMenifee: OK. I know the only feature that is missing since years in Ubuntu.
[22:23] <BluesKaj> wild_oscar, there's a bug with nfs mounting , I dumped it and went with ssh instead
[22:23] <Hukka> Speaking of launchpad, should I be able to comment on a bug by replying via mail?
[22:23] <ElijahCMenifee> it would require looking in the logs in a chrooted mounteed broken system to figure out which packages to manually remove and find the older deb packaged to install
[22:24] <Hukka> I got a notification of a new comment to my inbox, and simply replied to that (seemed to have a reply-to address to the bug), but still can't see the bug updated
[22:25] <wild_oscar> BluesKaj: since when, do you know?
[22:25] <timber> is there a way to make default the wireless button off on startup? in my computer every time i start the computer, the wireless button appears active
[22:25] <wild_oscar> because I can't swear, but I believe I had it working today...
[22:25] <ElijahCMenifee> vak, by the way it appears that the virtualbox updates may have been fixed (at least for 64 bit mode) and a vbox is a good place to play/practice doing a downgrade since you can snapshot/backup before each try...
[22:26] <BluesKaj> wild_oscar,that was a couple of weeks ago, it could be solved now , check launchpad
[22:27] <vak> ElijahCMenifee: thanks for hint.
[22:28] <ElijahCMenifee> vak, the other option for a live system (assuming in place before the install) is lvm-snapshot or ZFS iscsi install so you can have backedup snapshots of a valid running system.
[22:30] <timber> does anyone knows if is there a way to make default the wireless button off on startup? in my computer every time i start the computer, the wireless button appears active
[22:30] <ElijahCMenifee> vak, Also if you know which set of packages broke the system please remember to report the bug
[22:30] <ElijahCMenifee> !bug
[22:32] <vak> ElijahCMenifee: i've reported. But for me it is quite strange that I can't make something like:
[22:32] <vak> apt-get save-status
[22:33] <vak> and than if problem happens after the upgrade:
[22:33] <vak> apt-get restore-status
[22:33] <Hukka> Waiting for ZFS/btrfs
[22:34] <Hukka> vak: It's not quite trivial, but hopefully we won't have to wait long
[22:34] <ElijahCMenifee> vak, that would be a nice feature, you could get a lot of that power by doing a dpkg -l before and after to a file and doing a diff to get the packaged to downgrade...
[22:36] <panfist> what kernel version is in karmic?
[22:36] <Hukka> panfist: .31
[22:36] <panfist> i'm thinking of trying it
[22:36] <ElijahCMenifee> Hukka, off topic but no need to wait on ZFS OpenSolaris 2009.06 is quite nice for a file/NAS/samba server, still working on getting my karmic vbox to use OpenDS ldap for automount and user auth from my ZFS server...
[22:37] <Hukka> ElijahCMenifee: Yeah, ot, in my opinion all the work I've had to do with OpenSolaris has been a huge PITA
[22:37] <Hukka> ElijahCMenifee: Works as a file server, and nothing else
[22:37] <Hukka> But let's leave it at that :)
[22:38] <ElijahCMenifee> Hukka, yeah it is much more difficult (or at least different from a linux prospective) but not sure what type of ZFS support we will see in linux with Linus's view on sepperation of volume management from fs layering....
[22:39] <ElijahCMenifee> And I only use it as a file/NAS server
[22:39] <Hukka> ElijahCMenifee: I was actually very surprised on what they are going to include in btrfs, given those exact remark on separation of tasks
[22:40] <vak> ElijahCMenifee: I do understand it's not that easy to restore the system state 100% bu the state of the package versioning should be quite doable and routing work
[22:40] <Hukka> And no, I don't think we'll see ZFS in linux kernel, but btrfs seems to be progressing surprisingly fast compared to other filesystems
[22:41] <panfist> is it possible to upgrade to karmic from jaunty or do i have to reinstall from scratch?
[22:41] <amon_> vak: can't you simply write a shell script to do that
[22:41] <ElijahCMenifee> Yeah, me too btrfs looks nice.  Of course a clean room implementation of kernel ZFS is unlikly with btrfs progressing and licensing issues.
[22:41] <panfist> also, once in the karmic beta, do you have to reinstall once the full release is available?
[22:41] <timber> somebody could tell me how to disable the wireless button on startup?
[22:41] <vak> amon_: 5 years ago I'd immediately try to ;)
[22:42] <ElijahCMenifee> panfist, no as long as an apt-get update/upgrade does not baddly break the system before the final release/
[22:43] <Hukka> panfist: Upgrade from Jaunty will be explicitly supported, as for many users a complete reinstall is not feasible
[22:43] <ElijahCMenifee> !upgrade
[22:44] <Hukka> ElijahCMenifee: One thing a friend mentioned could be the progress of zfs in freebsd and use debian with their kernel
[22:44] <Hukka> Of course, that gets you into the same muddy territory as with Nexenta
[22:44] <Hukka> But at least kfreebsd is a supported platform in the next Debian release
[22:45] <Hukka> Wow, the fsck finally got through... Now I can set that ext4 parameter and boot again...
[22:45] <ElijahCMenifee> Hukka, yeah but opensolaris already has a lot of gnu tools, and the kernel is still a big differnce (in some ways the OpenSolaris has the nicest kernel design but least support for hardward and freebsd is kinda inbetween on kernel design/driver support.
[22:46] <BluesKaj> !upgrade manager | panfist
[22:47] <aleon> Hello, How can i achieve same effect as init 3 in upstart?
[22:48] <BluesKaj> !update manager
[22:48] <BluesKaj> hmm
[22:49] <ElijahCMenifee> !update | BluesKaj
[22:50] <BluesKaj> !upgrade | panfist
[22:50] <BluesKaj> :)
[22:51] <Hukka> Hm, running in .27, I get "unknown filesystem type ext4" when trying to mount my partitions
[22:51] <Hukka> However root is also ext4 and it was able to mount that...
[22:52] <kklimonda> it's possible to make an ext4 partition that is still compatible with ext3 (and mountable as ext3)
[22:54] <Heikki123> true
[22:56] <Hukka> Well, it seems that the kernel was happy when I ordered the mount as ext4dev
[22:56] <agent538> is there somebody that can help me
[22:57] <Hukka> agent538: Only God can help
[22:57] <agent538> if you get a key to import in synaptic as wath must you save de key ?
[22:57] <ElijahCMenifee> agent538, depends on what you need help with...
[22:57] <Hukka> *krhm* Excuse me, don't know what got into me
[22:59] <Hukka> *sigh* Doesn't work even with an older kernel. Damn nVidia.
[23:00] <wild_oscar> are services still controlled by sysv-rc-conf ?
[23:00] <wild_oscar> services startup, that is
[23:00] <ElijahCMenifee> agent538, No experienced with importing keys via synaptic however, once it has been imported it should go on the key-ring for apt so original file should no longer be referenced
[23:01] <ElijahCMenifee> agent538, What repo are you adding that has additional signing keys?
[23:03] <steven_> With the Ubuntu Software Center is there any need still for the Synaptic Package Manager?
[23:03] <xmnt> I booted up into a new install of beta and just get a black screen - checked X11 and I have no xorg.conf
[23:03] <xmnt> not sure how to get my X running
[23:03] <agent538> xbmc \
[23:03] <agent538> ad
[23:03] <Heikki123> adhd
[23:04] <xmnt> anyone?
[23:06] <Hukka> xmnt: Xorg has been using dynamic configuration for quite a while. IT's only overridden by a static file
[23:06] <ElijahCMenifee> xmnt, take a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log xorg.conf is no longer requried unless you are using nvidia and nvidia-settings to configure
[23:06] <Hukka> xmnt: Did you check logs too and are you sure beta is the right choice for you?
[23:07] <xmnt> we'll I'm trying it out in a vm
[23:07] <xmnt> so i'm not too worried about it not working
[23:08] <ElijahCMenifee> what vm are you using? virtualbox,vmware,xen,kvm,other?
[23:08] <xmnt> would like to get it working but I don't mess to much w/ xorg - it's always worked fine for me (nvidia)
[23:08] <ElijahCMenifee> nvidia stuff wont work inside a vm...
[23:08] <Hukka> xmnt: Under a vm it doesn't use hw drivers, but vm related ones
[23:09] <xmnt> o.k., so what would be the reason i get a blank screen in vm?
[23:09] <Hukka> Check the logs
[23:09] <ElijahCMenifee> xmnt, also what vm are you using it inside of?
[23:10] <xmnt> ElijahCMenifee, virtualbox running inside of debian
[23:11] <ElijahCMenifee> xmnt check the virtualbox video memory amount, I set mine to 32MB I also enabled 3d acceleration (although I have not gotten arround to adding the guest additions
[23:12] <ElijahCMenifee> xmnt, also check that your host nvidia x is set to 24bit color(that may or may not help...)
[23:16] <shawn_> Does Microsoft Office 2007 no longer run in Karmic?
[23:16] <ElijahCMenifee> shawn_, uhh wrong os for MS stuff ;->
[23:17] <shawn_> ElijahCMenifee Crossover
[23:17] <Lunis> i just need to get grub reinstalled from this 9.10 beta livecd, but i can't seem to make any combination of grub-setup or grub-install to make that happen successfully
[23:18] <td123> shawn_: oo.o not working out for you? :)
[23:18] <shawn_> td123 I just installed it with crossover but it doesnt give me a Windows application in start like it did on Jaunty
[23:19] <shawn_> In Applications tab
[23:19] <td123> shawn_: go find it manually
[23:19] <shawn_> Where does it install?
[23:19] <td123> shawn_: just because the shortcut isn't there doesn't mean it dne :)
[23:19] <td123> shawn_: check .wine/
[23:19] <td123> ~/.wine/
[23:20] <td123> and just follow the path to where it would be installed
[23:20] <ElijahCMenifee> does crossover use the .wine dir also?
[23:20] <td123> oh, I dunno
[23:20] <td123> never used crossover
[23:21] <ElijahCMenifee> my firstguess (although i am not running crossover) would be .crossover or .wine-x or .wine-co ....
[23:21] <td123> shawn_: you might want to file a bug report if it used to add the icon and now it doesn't
[23:21] <shawn_> Would they be in home?
[23:21] <shawn_> td123 Yeah it did used to it used to add a bar under applications called "Windows applications"
[23:21] <ElijahCMenifee> shawn_, yes in your home dir do a ls -a to see all the DOT dirs
[23:22] <Royall> Is 9.10 save to use yet? My computer can't seem to handle any more .04
[23:22] <shawn_> .cxoffice?
[23:22] <ElijahCMenifee> shawn_, that would be a good place to start
[23:22] <td123> Royall: wait for it to come out if you're worried about safety
[23:22] <Royall> compiz is dead, deluge is dying, firefox is long gone
[23:23] <td123> Royall: what are you talking about?
[23:23] <td123> compiz is alive, dunno about deluge, and firefox is only gone in steve job's dreams
[23:24] <Royall> My compiz is no longer working at all. My Deluge client is slow with its >1000 torrents. Firefox.. I have two different versions of the newer releases, Shiretoko and that other one
[23:24] <Royall> I meant on my own computer
[23:24] <Lunis> both of you == fail
[23:24] <shawn_> ElijahCMenifee, Cant seem to find an actual starting file here... Would it be a windows .exe?
[23:24] <Lunis> delete some friggin torrents
[23:24] <Royall> hrm
[23:25] <td123> Lunis: how do i fail?
[23:25] <Lunis> for not paying attention to his prevous posts ;P
[23:25] <ElijahCMenifee> shawn_, yeah but you need to figure out the crossover wine command to launch the exe, or look for a shortcut file to launch it
[23:26] <shawn_> ElijahCMenifee, Cant seem to find one X_X
[23:26] <ElijahCMenifee> shawn_, try doing `cxoffice nameofwinfile.exe`
[23:26] <Royall> Okay, removing about 500 torrents :P
[23:26] <td123> Lunis: I don't watch this channel constantly...
[23:26] <td123> Royall: btw, why would you have 1000+ torrents running if you don't even have the bandwidth for them
[23:27] <Royall> I probably do
[23:27] <Royall> It's just slow from all the torrents
[23:27] <td123> Royall: no you don't
[23:27] <Lunis> td123: you were active just before and after his first posts, but regardless, i'm mostly just teasing
[23:27] <td123> oh
[23:27] <Royall> td123: I upload torrents, so I have to keep torrents seeded
[23:27] <td123> Royall: ya but 1000+ running torrents is just stupid
[23:27] <Lunis> uploading 1000 torrents at half a kb each is useless
[23:28] <shawn_> ElijahCMenifee, Found The EXCEL one but no others X_X
[23:28] <Royall> Not when you're uploading ebooks
[23:28] <td123> Royall: still dumb
[23:29] <ElijahCMenifee> shawn_, you might want to join #crossover to get help with command line based launching since it did not create launch icons, people in that channel would probably know more about crossover specific stuff and MS Office 2007
[23:29] <Lunis> 500kb files at .5kb a second == 10 minutes to download half a meg, assuming bandwidth is getting evenly rationed, and there is no more than one leech per torrent
[23:30] <Lunis> versus the 2 minutes it would take to download it from some filesharing site found on google :/
[23:32] <cwillu_at_work> Can somebody assist me with a cron/anacron problem?  Something seems to have gone wonky recently, where my daily cron jobs all start at 8am instead of 4am, despite the usual crontab entries being correct
[23:32] <td123> are ati drivers in 9.10 excellent?
[23:32] <ElijahCMenifee> Lunis, it is unlikly that all 1000+ torrents are going at the same time....probaly has connection count limits however that is a lot of cpu/memory processing for the computer to use  to maintin the list of torrents...
[23:33] <Ian_Corne> current update wants to remove rtkit..
[23:33] <ElijahCMenifee> Ian_Corne, only for a dist-upgrade...
[23:33] <Ian_Corne> yeah
[23:34] <Ian_Corne> i usually go with that
[23:34] <Ian_Corne> unless it wants to remove something
[23:34] <Ian_Corne> once i forgot and grub-pc was removed :p
[23:35] <ElijahCMenifee> Ian_Corne, my auto upgrade is set to only apply upgrade and message me if anything is ever held back so I can manually review...Are you using rtkit for anything ;-)
[23:36] <ElijahCMenifee> !rtkit
[23:36] <Ian_Corne> ElijahCMenifee: no
[23:36] <Ian_Corne> not yet
[23:36] <Ian_Corne> isn't it a daemon that runs to check for rootkits?
[23:37] <ElijahCMenifee> My vbox system still appears stable with a dist-upgrade
[23:37] <Lunis> no
[23:37] <Lunis> it's the "RealTimeKIT"
[23:37] <Ian_Corne> aha :p
[23:37] <Ian_Corne> and what does that do?
[23:37] <cwillu_at_work> !info rtkit
[23:38] <Ian_Corne> wonder what uses iit
[23:38] <ElijahCMenifee> nothing now ....
[23:38] <ElijahCMenifee> at least not on my system.
[23:39] <Ian_Corne> $ apt-cache rdepends rtkit
[23:39] <Ian_Corne> rtkit
[23:39] <Ian_Corne> Reverse Depends:
[23:39] <Ian_Corne>   pulseaudio
[23:39] <Ian_Corne> that can't be good :p
[23:39] <Lunis> bah. anyone know how to use the new grub's tools to reisntall grub? >.>
[23:39] <Ian_Corne> grub-install?
[23:39] <cwillu_at_work> Ian_Corne, pulseaudio isn't configured to use realtime by default, that's probably a corrected dependency to reflect that
[23:39] <Ian_Corne> cwillu_at_work: ok
[23:39] <ElijahCMenifee> on my system the dist-upgrade installed new pulse-audio and reverse depend no longer lists pulse-audio
[23:40] <Lunis> how about a more specific command? no matter how i run grub-install it always fails >.<
[23:40] <cwillu_at_work> Lunis, how about a more specific question?  :p
[23:40] <Lunis> fair enough
[23:40] <Ian_Corne> i think he needs to reinstall grub into the mbr
[23:41] <Lunis> i'm running a livecd, had to reinstall XP, XP's bootloader has taken over. I need to reinstall grub to the MBR and point it to my current grub installation from the livecd
[23:41] <cwillu_at_work> have you chrooted to the current install from the livecd?
[23:41] <cwillu_at_work> (including the proc and sys dirs?)
[23:42] <Lunis> no, but only because i'm not sure what the correct process for chrooting properly is
[23:42] <Ian_Corne> do you need to chroot to install a grub bootloader?
[23:42] <Lunis> plus i wasn't sure if chrooting was the way to do it, since in grub1 it wasn't neccesary
[23:42] <ElijahCMenifee> cwillu_at_work, thats what I forgot last time...proc...no wonder I had no more luck then lunisw
[23:43] <cwillu_at_work> mount /dev/sda1 /mnt (or whichever); mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev; mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc; mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys; chroot /mnt
[23:43] <Ian_Corne>  /proc and /dev/
[23:43] <Ian_Corne>  /sys too?
[23:43] <Ian_Corne> might as well :p
[23:43] <cwillu_at_work> can't hurt, and I can see stuff breaking if sys isn't there
[23:43] <Ian_Corne> but why do you need to chroot in order to install grub?
[23:44] <ElijahCMenifee> grub2 appears to work differently....
[23:44] <cwillu_at_work> Ian_Corne, you don't, but if you want the easy-to-use tool to work, it needs to find things in the right place
[23:44] <Ian_Corne> lets see if i can install plugins to eclipse yet :)
[23:44] <Ian_Corne> oh right
[23:44] <Ian_Corne> like put the /etc/default/grub stuf
[23:44] <cwillu_at_work> Ian_Corne, I _think_ you can just mount, and then tell grub-install where you're mounted, and where it's _really_ mounted, but I just don't know off-hand :p
[23:44] <Ian_Corne> !timeleft
[23:45] <Ian_Corne> anyone know a list of commands? :D
[23:45] <cwillu_at_work> !ubottu
[23:45] <Ian_Corne> 10 days :)
[23:45] <cwillu_at_work> ubottu, favorite is spelled "favourite"
[23:45] <cwillu_at_work> <3
[23:46] <cwillu_at_work> forgot that was the syntax to send factoid edits to -ops :p
[23:46] <Lunis> alrighty gents, let's see if it worked D:
[23:47] <thiebaude> what is eclipse?
[23:48] <cwillu_at_work> java editor, mainly
[23:49] <Ian_Corne> well, it's an IDE for alot of stuff
[23:49] <Ian_Corne> there's probably even people using it to run tomcat servers from :p
[23:49] <cwillu_at_work> ... it's a java editor with plugins for other languages that are generally immature :p
[23:50] <Ian_Corne> it has a C++ plugin :p
[23:51] <Ian_Corne> I think it has a plugin for just about any language probably
[23:51] <Ian_Corne> did it work Lunis
[23:51] <Lunis> well then... grub's good to go, but now XP x64 crashes mid-boot, but only after putting grub back in the MBR
[23:51] <Ian_Corne> hehe
[23:51] <Ian_Corne> brr xp 64
[23:52] <Lunis> o.O?
[23:52] <Ian_Corne> i think update manager just crashed :p
[23:53] <cwillu_at_work> Ian_Corne, -> mvo, when he's around
[23:53] <Ian_Corne> don't have any logs
[23:53] <Ian_Corne> or anything
[23:53] <cwillu_at_work> sweet, 2.6.29 will still boot karmic
[23:54] <paul1> need help with reinstalling grub in ubuntu 9.10... i get error 15 when i try to reinstall it
[23:54]  * cwillu_at_work does 2.6.29 testing with a bunch of serial adapters
[23:54] <cwillu_at_work> heh, touchpad doesn't work though
[23:54] <Ian_Corne> ouch
[23:55] <Ian_Corne> why the older kernel cwillu_at_work ¿
[23:55] <Ian_Corne> wtf how did i typo the ? upside down
[23:55] <Lunis> is it possible for a touchpad to not be multi-finger capable?
[23:56] <cwillu_at_work> Lunis, yes
[23:56] <Lunis> bummer
[23:56] <Lunis> got used to multi-finger on my previous laptop
[23:56] <DanaG> Yeah.
[23:56] <cwillu_at_work> Ian_Corne, troubleshooting the kernel driver for some usb serial adapters, and the problem report is originally on a 2.6.29 kernel
[23:56] <DanaG> It sucks.... Synaptics now DISABLES multi-finger features if the OEM doesn't pay for them.
[23:57] <Lunis> disables, you say?
[23:57] <DanaG> It sucks... I have a P3-Celeron-based laptop that can do multi-finger... yet my Core 2 Duo one can't?
[23:57] <paul1> anyone help plx
[23:57] <paul1> need help with reinstalling grub in ubuntu 9.10... i get error 15 when i try to reinstall it
[23:57] <DanaG> Yeah, there's some kind of firmware that makes it not support or report multiple fingers.
[23:57] <Lunis> sounds like a job for some bored hackers
[23:58] <DanaG> I'd even pay Synaptics themselves, if they gave me the option, to get back my danged multi-finger features.
[23:58] <Lunis> yeah for serious
[23:58] <Lunis> :<
[23:59]  * cwillu_at_work two finger scrolls in front of DanaG 
[23:59]  * DanaG currently uses fake-two-finger.