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YokoZarslangasek: Are FTBFS bugs going to hold up the release?  (eg https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fltk1.1/+bug/445560)  -- I need those fixed before I can update ia32-libs, which really needs a push before release.01:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 445560 in fltk1.1 "FTBFS: conversion errors" [High,Confirmed]01:22
slangasekYokoZar: it's supposed to be fixed before release, but we don't really have any traction on that bug yet AFAIK - why does ia32-libs need updated?01:49
LaserJockslangasek: would uploading http://launchpadlibrarian.net/33791667/moodle_1.9.4.dfsg-0ubuntu4.debdiff be OK?02:03
LaserJockit seems to fix the bug in Karmic anyway, I was going to test Jaunty->Karmic upgrades before uploading though02:04
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slangasek: why is dropping puppet's recommends: on libaugeas-ruby the right thing to do?06:29
slangasekzul: why is dropping puppet's recommends: on libaugeas-ruby the right thing to do?06:29
slangaseksuperm1: is the patch for bug #385658 really tested to DTRT on unsupported cards? (cf. bug #413439)06:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 385658 in xserver-xorg-video-nv "'nv' is selected when no xorg.conf is present even if it doesn't support the nvidia hardware" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38565806:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 413439 in xserver-xorg-video-nv "karmic alpha 4's xorg 'nv' driver does not handle Nvidia 8200" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41343906:40
slangaseksuperm1: in particular, I notice that the code now adds an entry to NVChipsets,NVPciChipsets even if walking the list explicitly does *not* find a matching chip06:41
slangaseksuperm1: oh, n/m, I guess you must have tested it on your own hardware as the bug submitter :)  still, bug #413439 is still open06:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 413439 in xserver-xorg-video-nv "karmic alpha 4's xorg 'nv' driver does not handle Nvidia 8200" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41343906:46
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AnAntHello, I have a question regarding the latest change in gdm (setting the default theme using an XML file), will this step help to ease branding ?09:40
LaibschArneGoetje: Any idea on the issue of CJKV characters again not displaying properly in Flash?10:45
Laibschbug 20719810:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 207198 in fontconfig "Adobe Flash player 9 displays CJK text incorrectly" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20719810:47
LaibschWho could we ask?10:47
LaibschUnfortunately, flash is becoming more and more important and difficult to avoid10:48
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YokoZarslangasek: ia32-libs needs updating because the libraries it contains are over a month old and out of sync with the real 32-bit libs (so any bugs fixed in them remain).  There's also a few bugs that I've patched in the ia32-libs package itself (mostly missing symlinks for apps to not get confused when they're on 64 bit)13:34
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bdrung_who can close this blueprint? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/eclipse15:03
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ArneGoetjeLaibsch: hmm... was it working before? And if yes, what changed?15:51
LaibschI think it was working before15:56
LaibschI don't remember specifically changing anything as far as configuration15:56
LaibschJust the normal upgrade routine15:56
LaibschBut this stretches over such a long period of time that I cannot absolutely guarantee that there were no changes to the configuration15:57
LaibschAll I can say is what I (Rolf) wrote in that ticket, IOW currently flash and CJKV don't mix for me, no matter what I do15:57
ArneGoetjeLaibsch: well, we haven't changed anything in fontconfig or language-selector in that regard. the only package which was updated, was firefox16:01
Laibschdoes CJKV work for you in FF?16:01
Laibschand flash16:01
ArneGoetjeLaibsch: let me check16:02
LaibschIn general CJKV works for me in FF, of course, but not in flash16:02
LaibschTry the links I gave (jal.co.jp)16:02
Laibschsome things work, some don't16:02
ArneGoetjeLaibsch: I tried the flash map of JAL, which you reported as not working. Works for me. But I would need to confirm on a fresh install in a VM...16:04
LaibschI wonder what I may have done to break things16:05
ArneGoetjeLaibsch: I'm starting up a VM with the Live CD... wait a few minutes, I will try to confirm.16:06
LaibschIf this is OffT, let's move this to a private chat?16:07
LaibschArneGoetje: Just to be sure, the innosked link works for you?16:08
ArneGoetjeLaibsch: yes, that one works16:13
ArneGoetjeLaibsch: just tried the same page in the daily Live CD from yesterday. Works without problems16:22
ArneGoetjeLaibsch: I just installed the Adobe Flashplugin from software center16:22
LaibschI'll see if I can try a different user and a live USB boot tomorrow16:26
ArneGoetjeLaibsch: which locale did you use for testing?16:26
LaibschI'll let you know the results16:26
LaibschWhich LC_* setting do you want to know?16:26
LaibschI don't think that it had any relation to the problem, though16:26
LaibschMy locale is usually UTF816:27
ArneGoetjeLaibsch: LANG and LANGUAGE, maybe LC_CTYPE16:27
Laibschsome setting de_DE16:27
Laibschothers en_US16:27
ArneGoetjeLaibsch: I tried en_US and it worked... will try other locales as well16:27
LaibschLANG=de_DE.UTF-8, LANGUAGE=de_DE.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE="de_DE.UTF-8"16:28
LaibschI think that is probably what FF is running at16:29
ArneGoetjeLaibsch: just tried with de_DE: also works fine.16:29
ArneGoetjeLaibsch: will try with CJK font settings16:30
LaibschI don't think it had any relation to the locale16:31
LaibschI may have broken something in fontconfig16:31
Laibschand it may be something totally different altogether16:31
LaibschBut judging from the reports in that bug ticket, I'm not the only one who currently has problems16:31
ArneGoetjeLaibsch: there we go! using fontconfig-voodoo with ja_JP displays fine... but zh_TW has the empty boxes...16:34
LaibschI'm glad you can at least reproduce sometimes16:45
LaibschThat helps at least ;-)16:45
ArneGoetjeLaibsch: yeah... I'm just trying now to find out what's the problem with the fontconfig snippets16:50
Laibschlet me know if there is anything I can do to help with my limited knowledge16:50
ArneGoetjeLaibsch: ok, found the problem... and I'm afraid it's not something easy to fix. :(17:01
ArneGoetjeLaibsch: seems Adobe Flash can only use one font and doesn't fall back to another font when glyphs are missing.17:02
ArneGoetjeLaibsch: For ja-JP we prefer Japanese fonts, even for ASCII, so there it's not a problem a Japanese font is used for the whole system17:03
ArneGoetjeLaibsch: but for zh-* we prefer DejaVu and then the Chinese fonts, because Latin glyphs in DejaVu look better. apparently this doesn't work with Flash.17:04
ArneGoetjeLaibsch: when I remove the DejaVu stance in the fontconfig file, a Chinese font is prefered, even for Latin glyphs. Then Flash displays the CJK characters fine.17:04
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ArneGoetjeLaibsch: it's just funny that this only happens if we prefer the specific ordering of DejaVu, followed by a CJK font... if we don't specify this and fontconfig picks a font by itself, flash also displays fine.17:06
ArneGoetjeLaibsch: (i.e. we remove the 69-language-selector-* files)17:07
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ArneGoetjeLaibsch, freeflying: will test more for bug #207198 tomorrow, need to sleep now17:16
LaibschSo what's the suggested solution and its drawbacks?17:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 207198 in fontconfig "Adobe Flash player 9 displays CJK text incorrectly" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20719817:16
LaibschArneGoetje: Sure, I was about to hit the sack myself much earlier17:16
ArneGoetjeLaibsch: don't know yet. Let me do some more testing tomorrow.17:17
LaibschI hope I'll get to it soon17:17
LaibschIf I'm not in this channel, please ping me17:17
LaibschI should be online17:17
Laibschgood night17:17
Laibschand thank you for your work17:17
ArneGoetjeLaibsch: ok, good night17:17
ArneGoetjeLaibsch: np17:18
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slangasekYokoZar: what do you mean, missing symlinks?  ia32-libs can't use any paths that are used by the native 64-bit packages19:13
siretartslangasek: OK to upload http://launchpadlibrarian.net/33910661/g-s-s.diff, cf. lp bug #428884? should fix screensaver issues with xine and vlc (and any app that uses gnome-screensaver-command --poke)19:34
ubottuLaunchpad bug 428884 in vlc "Vlc does not inhibit screensaver" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42888419:34
siretartpatch against gnome-screensaver, not vlc's fault19:34
LLStarkshey reinhard, do you know if anything is being done to make sure that usplash isn't a static image for the final release?19:35
superm1siretart, by chance would you suspect that to help bug 453377 too?19:36
ubottuLaunchpad bug 453377 in mythtv "[ubuntu karmic] mythtv-frontend does not prevent display being put to sleep during tv watching" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45337719:36
siretartLLStarks: sorry, I don't really follow usplash development19:36
siretartsuperm1: looking19:36
LLStarkswho should i ask about it?19:37
superm1siretart, that patch, gs_monitor_simulate_user_activity, is that the function called when --poke is used?19:37
siretartI'd guess Keybuk or cjwatson, but check usplash's changelog yourself19:37
siretartsuperm1: AFAIU the code there, yes.19:38
Keybukwhich code?19:38
Keybukaiui, the current usplash theme is the final one19:39
slangaseksiretart: we should certainly fix that bug; I can't comment on whether the code looks reasonable, I don't know what it's doing19:39
siretartsuperm1: yes, I'm actually fairly confident that the patch should fix that19:39
slangasekKeybuk: thread interleaving, he was responding to LLStarks' query19:39
superm1siretart, yeah, i just saw that do_poke calls into simulate activity, so it looks like that is the same.  i'll mark duplicate accordingly19:40
siretartslangasek: I'm not a g-s-s guru myself, but the patch is taken from upstream, and after reading the upstream comment on the patch, I believe we should include it19:40
siretartplus: we have an independent user who confirms the patch works19:40
KeybukLLStarks: the current usplash theme is the final one I believe19:40
slangaseksiretart: then yes, please upload it; you don't have to get prior approval before uploading19:40
Keybukit's not entirely static, the logo does pulsate etc. in certain situations, and it does fade19:41
slangaseksiretart: fwiw, I don't count "one user says it works" for much for changes like this :)19:41
sladenKeybuk: so, just to confirm, the _intended_ final theme is a static one (eg. no progress indication, no throbber)19:41
LLStarksi can't get it to pulse even on a fresh daily.19:41
siretartslangasek: ah, I see19:41
Keybuksladen: right19:41
slangaseksiretart: so the vlc task there should be closed as invalid?19:41
KeybukLLStarks: the pulsing is quite subtle, it shows up for me on this laptop, but on my other one it's hard to see19:41
superm1LLStarks, it only pulses when using casper (eg booting the daily, not on the post install)19:42
sladenKeybuk: okay, so what is this "logo does pulsate etc. in certain situations, and it does fade" you speak off19:42
LLStarksif i was new to linux and had an old machine or non-ssd hard drive, i'd think my computer locked up.19:42
siretartslangasek: yes, I wanted to confirm first that it's really not vlc's fault19:42
LLStarksi have a 3 year old laptop and it spends about 20 seconds at usplash.19:43
sladenKeybuk: where should I be looking?---if I know that there should be some (a fortnight ago it faded on shutdown) and I can report bugs and it not doing so19:43
sladenKeybuk: do you have a video of what's intended19:44
LLStarkssladen, there is fade in and fade out on my machine, but no pulsing whatsoever. it would be awesome if that wasn't restricted to livecd/liveusb.19:45
Keybuksladen: I don't understand? are you saying it does nothing for you?19:45
* sladen reboots to confirm his presumped madness. bbiab19:46
LLStarksfor me, the shutdown usplash almost never runs.19:47
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sladenKeybuk: right, fade on shutdown worked.  Bootup takes 2:20 from Grub finishing.  4 seconds textmode, 2 seconds cleared textmode (cursor blinking), 20 seconds usplash (no action, no throbb, no nothing), 9 seconds text mode "calling settle", 5 seconds blank text mode (again), 4 seconds blank/black graphics mode, 1 second busy cursor, 1 second nothing, 13 seconds Xsplash, GDM ... 12 seconds Xsplash, 13 seconds semi-desktop, 8 seconds Panels, 37 seonds Panel20:01
Keybuksladen: bootchart20:02
sladenKeybuk: http://www.paul.sladen.org/ubuntu/karmic-20091018-2.png20:07
chrisccoulsonsiretart - that gnome-screensaver patch makes the assumption that the MIT-SCREEN-SAVER extension is always available, which might not always be the case20:08
* sladen stars at the couchdb forkbomb "wtf"20:08
chrisccoulsonif it's not, then gnome-screensaver will just crash instead20:08
Keybuksladen: yeah you have the I/O problem of death20:09
siretartchrisccoulson: oh, can you perhaps improve the patch to check for that extension?20:09
Keybuksladen: 4200 RPM hard drive?20:09
slangaseksladen: you should purge the couchdb package20:10
slangasekit's not installed by default20:10
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slangasek(it was earlier in the cycle, then the package was split for this exact reason)20:11
Keybuksladen: if you look at the chart, you're basically in I/O wait the entire time20:12
Keybuk(top graph mostly red)20:12
Keybukbut while there's always something on the I/O queue (bottom graph mostly red), you're achieving almost no throughput from your hard drive (green line almost flat)20:12
Keybukif you want a challenge, figure out why!20:12
chrisccoulsonsiretart - i'll have a look if i get the chance, but the patch doesn't really look right anyway. gnome-screensaver currently gets session idle-ness from gnome-session, which uses the SYNC extension and IDLETIME counter. applications which want to inhibit the screensaver should really be the gnome-session inhibit API now, although it would be nice to get gnome-screensaver to work correctly too20:15
chrisccoulsonanyway, dinner time for me20:15
sladenKeybuk: right, so the lack of I/O is the reason that usplash does not throb?20:15
Keybuksladen: no...20:15
Keybuknothing went PULSATE at it I guess20:15
sladenKeybuk: whilst I can make do with bootup taking twice as long as jaunty, I'd like it not to look rubbish20:16
siretartchrisccoulson: is there some migration documentation? The vlc developers seems pretty confused about this bug and I'd like to help them to understand the issue...20:16
Keybuksladen: I'd rather we figured out why this has got so bad20:16
Keybukthan wasted time with pixels20:16
siretartslangasek: based on chrisccoulson comments, I please reject my gnome-screensaver upload :(20:16
Keybukfrom my POV, screenfuls of random text that are only visible for a few seconds is better than something pretty that lasts an hour20:17
Keybuksladen: you didn't confirm your drive, btw?20:17
Keybuksladen: could you paste me your model number, I'm collecting some data on who's affected20:17
sladenKeybuk: no idea, but it's HDD, not flash20:17
slangaseksiretart: ok, rejected20:18
Keybuksladen: cat /sys/block/sda/device/model20:18
elmohey, is there a wiki page on bootcharting?  my karmic boot is horrific, and I'd like to generate pretty pictures once I purge some of the non-desktop packages20:18
sladenKeybuk: ST980825AS20:18
sladenelmo: sudo apt-get install bootchart20:19
Keybuksladen: interesting20:19
elmosladen: that's it? :-P20:19
sladenelmo: then reboot and look in /var/log/bootchart/*20:19
slangasekchrisccoulson: incidentally, after upgrading gnome-screensaver last night, this morning I came to a hung 'time expired' dialog... did this "who kills the child" change get tested to DTRT for running instances of gnome-screensaver?20:20
Keybuksladen: that's 7200RPM with a 10.5ms seek20:20
Keybukthat's a *fast* drive20:20
Keybuksomething's seriously fucked there20:20
Keybuksladen: could you upload your dmesg somewhere20:20
sladenKeybuk: http://www.paul.sladen.org/ubuntu/karmic-20091018-2.dmesg.txt20:22
Keybuksladen: one thing to try20:27
Keybukboot with break=bottom20:27
Keybukstick deadline into /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler and then ^D to continue the boot20:27
Keybuksee if your chart looks better20:27
Keybukbreak=top :)20:27
Keybuk(you may have to mount/unmount sys)20:27
Keybuksladen: nothing in dmesg suggests a DMA problem or anything20:29
Turlin a bootchart I just made I can see gnome-session taking a *lot* of time to launch things http://ubuntu-pics.de/bild/27825/laptop_karmic_20091018_1_uY9yMi.png20:33
Turlany ideas why?20:33
KeybukTurl: uninstall couchdb20:34
Turlwhy Keybuk?20:34
KeybukTurl: that's what's causing your problem and you don't need it20:36
Turlwhy is it included by default then?20:38
Keybukit isn't20:38
Keybukwe did for a while during the development phase, but the package has now been split apart20:39
Keybukapt-get remove --purge couchdb20:39
Keybukshould do it20:39
Turlmhm, I shouldn't have removed everything that had couchdb on its name ^^20:40
Turlreinstalling desktopcouch should reinstall it right?20:40
Keybukright ;)20:42
Turldone :)20:42
Turlany other thing I should remove/add to gain more performance?20:43
TurlI'm using karmic since alpha 5/6 iirc20:43
Keybukyou have a bug we're trying to track down too20:44
Keybukthat's going to be my #1 task for all of next week20:44
Turlwhat bug Keybuk?20:44
TurlI can help with testing if you need :)20:44
Keybukbug 43208920:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 432089 in sreadahead "performs poorly on slow HDD" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43208920:45
Turlyep my disk is a bit slow20:46
TurlKeybuk: do you know if gnome power management bugs are high priority?20:47
TurlI reported one, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/228932 but it is set to low20:48
ubottuLaunchpad bug 228932 in gnome-power-manager "Gnome Power Manager doesn't show battery tab if accumulator isn't inserted" [Low,Confirmed]20:48
Turland IMO, it's high importance as it can cause data loss and system damage20:48
Trewasactually I just tested and sreadahead seems to improve boot speed, 80s with it and 120s without (5400rpm laptop disk)... however I only tested once without sreadahead20:48
KeybukTurl: out of my remit20:49
KeybukTrewas: yeah, it's that it doesn't *really* improve it, or *always* improve it20:49
Keybukwith sreadahead I'm looking for a particular shaped I/O graph that we're not achieveing20:49
Keybuksomething in the kernel is defeating I/O performance20:49
mdkeslangasek: just uploaded a new gnome-user-docs with new translations, in due course could I call on you to do your NEW dance for the new binaries?20:50
Trewasyeah bootchart shows that I/O is very slow and the processor is mostly waiting, and this is a slow atom20:51
ionsu224300 < Turl> any other thing I should remove/add to gain more performance?20:53
ionGnome for starters ;-)20:53
Turlion: nah :P20:54
LLStarkskeybuk, is there any chance that pulsing logo from the casper environment can be implemented for installed systems. also, do you find it acceptable that the usplash on an installed system shows no indicators of progress even if it takes 30 or more seconds for the usplash to be passed on a slower system?20:55
KeybukLLStarks: I find it unacceptable that it takes 30s at all20:55
KeybukI'd rather spend my time fixing that20:55
LLStarkstake a look at my bootchart.20:57
LLStarks17 seconds of usplash.20:58
LLStarks54000 rpm drive20:58
slangasekchrisccoulson: the 'time expired' hang is reproducible even after restarting gnome-screensaver; we've got a regression here20:59
LLStarkskeybuk, i don't expect you get a system without a solid-state drive down to 10 seconds, but this is ridiculous.20:59
KeybukLLStarks: you have the exact same I/O performance bug as sladen21:00
Keybukyou're getting almost no throughput on your drive21:00
TurlKeybuk: also, if fsck checks the disk, usplash stays there and there's no written indication that the disk is being checked21:01
Keybukyes there is21:01
Turlso you wonder what's going on21:01
Keybukgrab the mountall package from the ubuntu-boot PPA21:01
Keybukthat'll be in the final release21:01
TurlKeybuk: the last time it checked my disk, there was none21:01
Keybukyou didn't have that installed21:01
Turlmhm, can you link me to the ppa?21:01
Turlnevermind, found it :)21:02
LLStarkskeybuk, link to bug?21:08
Keybukllstarks: bug 43208921:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 432089 in sreadahead "performs poorly on slow HDD" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43208921:08
LLStarkswhat kind of boot times can i expect with the ppa package?21:09
Keybukthe PPA package isn't about boot times, it's about fsck progress notification21:10
Keybukyou're crossing threads21:10
TurlKeybuk: what happened to the graphical OS selector that karmic was suppoused to bring?21:11
elmoKeybuk: http://people.canonical.com/~james/tuna-karmic-20091018-1.png21:11
KeybukTurl: unknown, not my dept21:13
Keybukelmo: yup, same thing :-(21:13
Keybukelmo: I wish I knew what causes it21:13
* Turl reboots21:13
chrisccoulsonslangasek - i'll tty and reproduce that g-s-s hang now21:15
slangasekchrisccoulson: thanks21:15
slangasekmdke: yep, I'll be here for the NEWing when needed21:15
chrisccoulsonslangasek - i can't recreate it here. i get the "timeout has expired" message, and then the dialog goes away21:18
chrisccoulsonany chance you could get a backtrace of both processes after it appears to have hung?21:18
slangasekchrisccoulson: sure; it'll be a few minutes21:18
chrisccoulsonno worries, thanks21:19
mdkeslangasek: :)21:25
LLStarkskeybuk. here's my bootchart with the newer mountall.21:29
joaopintoLLStarks, <Keybuk> the PPA package isn't about boot times, it's about fsck progress notification21:33
LLStarksi know21:33
LLStarksbut how would he know that my machine was affected?21:33
ionkeybuk: progress[61] = '\0'; should be progress[60].21:35
slangasekchrisccoulson: bug #454959 with backtraces21:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 454959 in gnome-screensaver "after latest update, 'time expired' dialog hangs indefinitely, has to be hard-killed from the consol" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45495921:37
slangasekchrisccoulson: including a likely pointer to why it's not reproducible for you21:38
joaopintoLLStarks, becaue your symptom matches the bug already reported21:38
LLStarksnext topic. can we get this bug elevated?21:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 438868 in firefox "Address bar autocomplete doesn't always work" [Unknown,Confirmed]21:40
LLStarksthis is a very visible bug and i think asac needs help.21:41
ionkeybuk: The PPA version crashed with an assertion in nih_free with ctx->destructor != NIH_ALLOC. I bet the progress[61] write happened to overwrite that pointer. :-)21:50
chrisccoulsonslangasek - i found an issue with my patch21:50
chrisccoulsonit seems that SIGTERM might be raised to quit the dialog after the main loop has already quit, which will probably make it hang like you describe21:51
bdrung_ScottK: i will let you know if we have something usable21:51
slangasekchrisccoulson: ah, ok21:55
slangasekchrisccoulson: I'm happy to test a patch21:55
lifelessslangasek: hi21:56
lifelessslangasek: are you aware of the bug with intel graphics sluggishnish + corruption ?21:56
lifelessslangasek: if so, is it a release blocker, if not, whom should I talk to to make it more widely known ?21:56
sladenKeybuk: still ~100 seconds with echo deadline > .../sda/queue/scheduler  do you want to see the chart21:58
TurlKeybuk: hi21:59
TurlKeybuk: that mountall left my system unbootable T_T21:59
slangaseklifeless: no, I've not heard of such a bug22:01
TurlKeybuk: usplash appeared, then it said sth like "/ waiting on /dev/..../by-uuid/...., /home waiting on /dev/...., /temp waiting on (null) press esc for a recovery console" and esc did nothing22:01
slangaseknot counting the "Xorg eats 100% CPU because upstart stole its controlling tty" bug22:01
Turlrebooted, and the same thing happened22:01
lifelessslangasek: not that bug, no.22:01
slangaseklifeless: bug #?22:01
Turlso I reverted it to the karmic one and I'm using it now22:02
lifelessslangasek: digging, sec22:02
Turlslangasek: you published the mountall package on the ubuntu-boot ppa right?22:02
slangasekTurl: no22:02
Turloh, it was Keybuk, sorry :P22:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 421232 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Sluggish performance on Intel video card" [Undecided,Confirmed]22:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 454984 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "graphics corruption occuring with normal use" [Undecided,New]22:06
lifelessslangasek: ^22:07
lifelessthe corruption bug I just filed because I saw there didn't seem to be one for it22:07
slangaseklifeless: I think it's pretty clear that you should open a new bug report for your performance issue, since you say you started seeing it on Thursday and the original submitter filed his report back in August22:08
slangaseklifeless: a list of what packages were upgraded for you on Thursday would be helpful, as well as information about what chip you actually have22:08
lifelessslangasek: that was thursday a week back22:08
lifelessslangasek: right after bryce announced mesa 322:08
slangaseklifeless: a week back was still not August ;)22:08
lifelessslangasek: ack; filing new bug.22:08
Turllifeless: my graphics performance on intel seems to have decreased recently, I don't know the exact date though22:09
Turlbut compiz feels more sluggish22:09
chrisccoulsonslangasek - would you mind testing http://paste.ubuntu.com/296366/ please?22:09
chrisccoulsonthe issue seems to be that when the dialog times out, it quits the main loop, and raises SIGTERM if there are still any PAM threads. the SIGTERM does nothing because i registered a handler which quits the main loop (which has already quit)22:10
chrisccoulsoni think that's what causes your hang22:10
dtchenpitti: ok, i fixed your mute issue harder.22:12
lifelessslangasek: I've got another corruption bug a friend of mine is reporting; its suspend related but a regression.22:12
lifelessslangasek: [I'm taking advantage of your being online to talk about this :P]22:12
slangaseklifeless: yah, I can confirm bug #454984 here (done so in the bug report now)22:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 454984 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "graphics corruption occuring with normal use" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45498422:14
slangaseklifeless: suspend-related> new bug report?22:14
lifelessslangasek: intel card, when the user comes out of s2 gets corruption of a different sort22:17
slangasekchrisccoulson: something better than a pastebin for a patch, please?22:18
slangasekchrisccoulson: there's a bug open, you could upload it there :)22:18
slangaseklifeless: s2, not s3?22:19
slangasek(do we even have quirk handling for s2?)22:20
chrisccoulsonslangasek - i've attached the patch to the bug report as well now22:20
slangasekchrisccoulson: building now22:24
slangasekand testing now22:28
m3galifeless asked me to log a bug about xserver-xorg-video-intel : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/45499922:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 454999 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "video corruption after coming out of s2disk" [Undecided,New]22:29
slangasekchrisccoulson: how long is the dialog timeout?22:29
slangasekoh, there it goes22:30
slangasekchrisccoulson: yep, confirmed fixed22:30
chrisccoulsonexcellent, thanks for testing22:30
chrisccoulsondo you want to upload this once i've pushed it to bzr?22:30
slangasek(at least, with a sample size of 1)22:30
slangasekchrisccoulson: can do22:30
chrisccoulsoncool, thanks22:30
slangasekm3ga: what does "s2disk" mean?  Are you using the standard hibernate functionality in GNOME, or does this refer to some other utility?22:32
slangasekm3ga: IIRC, s2disk is the name of a program provided by uswsusp?22:32
chrisccoulsonslangasek - i've pushed it here: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-screensaver/ubuntu22:33
slangasekchrisccoulson: got it22:34
m3gaslangasek: suspend to disk22:34
slangasekm3ga: yes, by what means?22:34
m3gayes provided by uswsusp.22:34
m3garunning "sudo s2disk"22:34
m3gain an xterm22:34
slangasekok, I'm going to reassign this bug to uswsusp then22:34
slangasekunless you can reproduce this using pm-utils' hibernate mode?22:35
slangasek(sudo pm-hibernate)22:35
m3gathen i probably need to file a new bug about sluggish performance.22:35
slangasekchrisccoulson: uploaded22:36
slangasekm3ga: sluggish performance of what? pm-hibernate?22:36
slangasek(I think that bug's been filed a few dozen times before)22:36
m3gax server has been sluggish in karmic for about 2 weeks22:36
m3gai thought it was bug 421232 but lifeless seems to think it needs a new bug22:37
slangasekm3ga: can you please check whether this problem is reproducible with 'sudo pm-hibernate' instead of 'sudo s2disk'?  That will let us establish whether it should be treated as a driver bug, or if uswsusp is missing quirk handling that pm-utils knows about22:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 421232 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Sluggish performance on Intel video card" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42123222:37
m3gaok, i'll lose my xchat session but i'll be back22:38
slangasekm3ga: 421232 has a generic description and was reported months ago - it's far better to file a new bug report and let the triagers decide whether it's the same bug22:38
m3gawill do22:38
lifelessthanks slangasek22:39
m3gaslangasek: 'sudo pm-hibernate' causes similar screen corruption.22:47
slangasekm3ga: ok, thanks for confirming22:47
m3gabefore it did it I restarted x server and it was fine.22:47
m3gaie no corruption before pm-hibernate' corruption after22:47
m3gaslangasek: you want the sluggish perf bug report now or can that what til my evening (9am here).22:48
slangasekm3ga: I'm not the person who's going to be triaging it anyway, I'm sure it can wait if you have other things to do22:50
m3gai'll do it this evening. its monday morning and i'm at work :-)22:50
slangasekmdke: gnome-user-docs's build-dependency is on *both* iso-codes *and* isoquery; but it's only used for regenerating debian/control, which shouldn't happen at package build time, so can be ignored23:10
slangasekmdke: but if you're going to put it in build-depends, it should be both packages (which is what I tried to do in the previous upload, but then I regenerated debian/control right over myself)23:10
slangasekdtchen: how is this alsa-utils change supposed to fix a race condition?23:15
dtchenslangasek: apparently alsactl store was being called at odd times during reboot/shutdown, resulting in muted slevels23:20
dtchenugh, lag23:21
dtchenslangasek: anyhow, the previous change in ubuntu5 was broken, so it's definitely a regression from 8.10 and 9.0423:22
slangasekdtchen: and how do you figure that this isn't also "at odd times"?23:22
dtchenslangasek: it can only be called once23:23
slangasekhow is that different from the init script, which only shows up once in /etc/rc6.d?23:23
dtchenslangasek: asound.state was not being written to /var/lib/alsa23:24
dtchenslangasek: i can't reproduce it on my machines; maybe their disks are too slow23:24
slangasekso you don't actually have any evidence that there was a race23:27
slangasekor that this will fix it?23:27
slangaseksysvinit scripts are handled *serially* in Ubuntu, and upstart jobs are handled in *parallel*.  if anything, you've increased the chance of a race condition here23:27
dtcheni'm waiting for gmail to load so i can dig up the bug report23:28
slangasekI'm afk for a few hours, but if there's a bug report that explains how this is a race, please throw it at me while I'm out23:29
dtchenslangasek: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/352732/comments/6323:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 352732 in pulseaudio "[jaunty] Sound muted after boot" [Undecided,Confirmed]23:40

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