[00:00] <DanaG> Damn Synaptics.
[00:00] <Lunis> so yeah... why does grub2 make XP x64 crash during boot?
[00:01] <Twigathy> wfm :o
[00:01] <Lunis> wfm?
[00:02] <cwillu_at_work> (works for me)
[00:02]  * DanaG sees no point in XP64.... at least Vista64 and Win7_64 are more worth it.
[00:02] <Twigathy> works for me
[00:02] <cwillu_at_work> Lunis, exceedingly unlikely that it's making xp crash;  if xp boots at all, then grub has done its job
[00:03] <Twigathy> windows is only there for games, here. And I've no particularly exotic hardware, so drivers for xp x64 are not a problem either.
[00:03] <Lunis> well it's strange because it booted fine, then i reinstall grub, it doesn't work, so i assume i did some bad driver things, reinstalled xp, it worked fine, reinstalled grub again and the same problem, xp crashes midway through boot
[00:03] <Lunis> yeah i only have it for games and the few arcane (pardon the pun) D&D tabletop tools
[00:04] <amon_> paull
[00:04] <amon_> paull: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[00:04] <amon_> see Recover Grub 2 via LiveCD
[00:04] <Ian_Corne> I use it to play wow because wine maps my 6 button to something else and thats it :p
[00:05] <Lunis> well I play too many games that don't work in wine
[00:05] <Lunis> MMOs to be specific-ish
[00:05] <Lunis> mainly DDO and DFO and Mabinogi
[00:05] <jar> Anyone know how to force Firefox to obey GNOME's freetype settings?
[00:06] <jar> I set GNOME to use a less blurry font setting and Firefox is still using subpixel rendering.
[00:06] <jar> :(
[00:06] <DanaG> Wine also sucks at dealing with audio.
[00:07] <DanaG> s/suck/fail/
[00:07] <Lunis> ^
[00:07] <DanaG> Or at least it did last time I tried.
[00:07] <Lunis> true story
[00:07] <cwillu_at_work> jar, have you restarted firefox completely?
[00:07] <jar> cwillu_at_work, I've gone through many many reboots since the change.
[00:07] <jar> It's just still bothering me.
[00:07] <cwillu_at_work> by less blurry, you mean turning off antialiasing?
[00:08] <jar> No, they're still antialiased.
[00:08] <jar> I just disabled subpixel rendering.
[00:08]  * BUGabundo pokes cwillu_at_work with a big stick
[00:08] <cwillu_at_work> you're on a crt?
[00:08]  * cwillu_at_work is poked by a big stick
[00:08] <jar> No.
[00:08] <Lunis> s/rendering/hinting/
[00:08] <jar> I just hate subpixel hinting.
[00:08] <jar> It's TOO thick.
[00:08] <BUGabundo> cwillu_at_work: miss you bud!
[00:08]  * cwillu_at_work huggles BUGabundo
[00:08] <jar> I switched it over to "Best shapes"
[00:08] <Ian_Corne> BUGabundo: is still alive!
[00:08] <BUGabundo> I didn't show up for my bday  :(
[00:09] <BUGabundo> great party last night!
[00:09] <bjsnider> are the 100 paper cuts fixed?
[00:09] <cwillu_at_work> BUGabundo, I probably won't show up for mine either :p
[00:09] <DanaG> you know there's an "advanced" button, right?
[00:09] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: we wish :)
[00:09] <jar> DanaG, You mean me? Yes - I used to manually configure freetype via its .conf files on other distros.
[00:09] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: and kicking
[00:10] <jar> My font settings are fine - Firefox just isn't obeying them.
[00:10] <jar> Neither are QT apps.
[00:10] <jar> All other GNOME/GTK apps are doing fine.
[00:10] <jar> This was a clean install as of beta1
[00:10] <jar> been updated since.
[00:11] <jar> Clean install of Netbook Remix on my Toshiba NB205 yields the same issue.
[00:11] <DanaG> grr, stupid ipw2200.
[00:11] <hsarci> is there any possible way to tweek the power settings even more? something similar to kde's power manager perhaps?
[00:11] <cwillu_at_work> jar, everything in firefox, or just the content itself? (i.e., do the menu's look right?)
[00:11] <DanaG> Firmware error detected.  Restarting.
[00:11] <DanaG> Firmware error detected.  Restarting.
[00:11] <DanaG> Firmware error detected.  Restarting.
[00:11] <DanaG> over and over.
[00:11] <jar> cwillu_at_work, Yes, all the XUL dialogs are using subpixel hinting.
[00:11] <DanaG> Intel better than Broadcom? Not in this case!
[00:13] <jar> cwillu_at_work, I can supply a screenshot if that would help.
[00:13] <Ian_Corne> https://edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/karmic
[00:13] <cwillu_at_work> jar, nah, I believe you, screenshot wouldn't really add much;  just trying to work out if it's a rendering option in firefox, but it doesn't sound like it
[00:14] <jar> cwillu_at_work, Yeah - it's an issue in QT apps such as VLC too.
[00:14] <CJHard> Hey everyone, I'm having some trouble booting
[00:15] <CJHard> I get to EXT4-fs (sda8): internal journal on sda8:8 and it just does not continue
[00:16] <CJHard> I think normally at this point udev is supposed to start, but nothing happens
[00:18] <cwillu_at_work> CJHard, cryptsetup installed?
[00:18] <CJHard> I'm not quite sure I've heard of that one. Is  that used to encrypt the home directory?
[00:19] <cwillu_at_work> you know, it's probably best to ignore me right now :p
[00:19] <CJHard> if you can help me, I'd rather not ignore you
[00:19] <cwillu_at_work> not sure I can help you, although I can certainly make things worse :p
[00:20] <CJHard> My last successful reboot was the 15th
[00:20] <joelle> So, it seems desktop switcher corrupted my UNR. Is there any way (the obvious didn't work) to completely remove UNR, then reinstall it?
[00:21] <CJHard> is apt-get remove and apt-get install the obvious in this situation?
[00:21] <Lunis> in my experience, the desktop switcher corrupts everything :<
[00:21] <joelle> CJHard: indeed.
[00:22] <CJHard> last time I used the desktop switcher it just messed up my home folder
[00:22] <CJHard> try deleting some .files and .directories
[00:22] <joelle> any specific ones?
[00:22] <Lunis> p.s. what about apt-get purge; apt-get install?
[00:22] <joelle> apt-get purge?
[00:23] <CJHard> that won't work, if it's your personal configuration that's messed up you need to revert your settings
[00:23] <CJHard> you may be able to back everything personal up, create a new user, and restore your personal settings manually
[00:23] <joelle> that's a damned good idea, actually
[00:24] <CJHard> I'm pretty certain that's how I fixed it for myself. It's been a while
[00:24] <joelle> though, which dot folders have the desktop config, I can just remove them
[00:24] <CJHard> .config has a bunch of junk, .gnome2, .gnome, .gconfsomethingorother
[00:25] <haven489> so what do people expect for ubuntu 9.10?
[00:25] <CJHard> just backup the entire directory or rename it to something.bak, and logout and back in
[00:26] <joelle> good call.
[00:26] <joelle> I will be back, maybe
[00:26] <joelle> thanks]
[00:26] <Lunis> haven489, hopefully not too much ;)
[00:26] <CJHard> if it's not the right one, restore, rinse and renew
[00:26] <haven489> Lunis: Well some more driver support for me
[00:26] <haven489> I join the testing team and i am using it right now
[00:26] <cwillu_at_work> haven489, tears and papercuts, mostly
[00:27] <CJHard> so anybody know of any ways I can troubleshoot my troubles? I've determined it's not the kernel. I can also switch VT's so it's not a hard lockup
[00:27] <haven489> yea?
[00:27] <haven489> what are you trying to trouble shoot? hardware, Software, BIOS. what?
[00:27] <CJHard> Karmic won't boot
[00:28] <CJHard> it stops after  EXT4-fs (sda8): internal journal on sda8:8
[00:28] <davisc> CJHard: What type of machine is it?
[00:28] <CJHard> Eee PC 1000H
[00:28] <davisc> You have an sda8? Wow
[00:28] <CJHard> That's my root
[00:28] <davisc> That's a lot of partitions...
[00:28] <DanaG> stupid non-working Intel2200.
[00:28] <haven489> it probably cant find the space or the specifid drive CJHard
[00:29] <haven489> submit a bug report
[00:29] <haven489> #ubuntu-testing
[00:29] <davisc> CJHard: Are you sure sda8 is accurate?
[00:29] <CJHard> Yeah, I manually partitioned it myself
[00:30] <CJHard> sda1 boot, sda2 is extended, sda6 is home, sda7 is currently  unused, sda8 is my second install which is now my primary install, and sda5 is swap
[00:31] <CJHard> home and boot were used for the old primary install. everything is located on sda8 on this one
[00:31]  * davisc would have used LVM for a setup like that, but hey
[00:31] <CJHard> it used to be that  LVM installed Lilo instead of grub and I didn't want Lilo
[00:32] <CJHard> I dunno how it works now, it's been too long
[00:32] <davisc> Really? I have LVM on a load of machines and never had to use LILO
[00:32] <davisc> But that's another argument
[00:33] <CJHard> I think last time I tried it was a release or two after Warty
[00:33] <davisc> So the /boot for karmic is within sda8?
[00:33] <CJHard> yep
[00:33] <davisc> Can you pastebin the grub config?
[00:33] <CJHard> sure, gimme a sec
[00:34] <jamieleshaw> Hello, has the install slideshow reference to Ubuntu Software Center been corrected from Software Store to Software Center?
[00:35] <haven489> yes
[00:35] <CJHard> http://pastebin.com/d42afaacc
[00:35] <Freeaqingme> I'm just staring at my clock in the taskbar, and it seems to be skipping every few secs one second, and a few secs later there's one second that lasts the time of two seconds. There's no ntpd running, any clues?
[00:35] <BUGabundo> some ppl take me out of the serious! saying ext3/4 is faster and better then ext2 on SDs ;( http://code.google.com/p/cyanogenmod/issues/detail?id=557#c24
[00:35] <CJHard> I'm unable to boot into any kernel, or recovery mode btw
[00:36] <haven489> CJHard: if i were you i would try and boot from the disk of what ever Linux OS you are useing make a backup of all your important files and whipe your drives
[00:36] <DanaG> hmm, you can use ext4 without a journal, by the way.
[00:37] <DanaG> No, a total wipe is not a first-stop for fixing stuff.
[00:37] <haven489> yea
[00:37] <DanaG> It should be a last resort, after other things you've tried have failed.
[00:37] <CJHard> haven489: I am trying to avoid that, that's my last resort solution
[00:37] <haven489> but he has been trying everything
[00:37] <CJHard> I haven't tried everything yet, just the things I can think up myself
[00:38] <haven489> well try the first part. boot from your CD or DvD
[00:38] <davisc> haven489: Not so easy on an eeePC
[00:38] <CJHard> I'm talking to you from a live usb of UNR ;)
[00:38] <CJHard> latest Karmic beta in fact
[00:38] <DanaG> hmm, what sort of error messages were you getting upon trying to boot?
[00:39] <haven489> yea, but its possible
[00:39] <CJHard> I don't recall ever seeing error messages. just the normal logging and then nothing
[00:39] <DanC> I'm trying to upgrade to 9.10 beta; I did  sudo do-release-upgrade -d and after an hour or so of downloading packages, I got:
[00:39] <DanC> Done downloading
[00:39] <DanC> Exception during pm.DoInstall():  E:Couldn't configure pre-depend openoffice.org-core for openoffice.org-filter-binfilter, probably a dependency cycle.
[00:40] <davisc> CJHard: So the Karmic install probably wrote the new grub config and since you don't have a common /boot, it didn't see the old kernels and didn't add them (Doesn't explain your problem, only why you don't have the option to boot into your old install)
[00:40] <DanC> known problem?
[00:40] <DanaG> hmm, try this next time it hangs (most likely in mountall, knowing how much of a pain mountall is):
[00:40] <DanaG> alt-sysrq-E.
[00:40] <DanC> oh... hmm... I started again, and it's making more progress this time. unpacking lots of packages.
[00:41] <DanaG> Kills upstart jobs, but doesn't nuke everything.
[00:41] <DanaG> CJHard: messages for you (so others don't get confused).
[00:41] <CJHard> davisc: I've had this install since Jaunty
[00:41] <DanaG> oh, and boot without "quiet splash".
[00:42] <CJHard> DanaG: I will jot that down on paper. I tried a few magic sysrq keys in restore mode and couldn't make heads or tails of anything
[00:42] <DanaG> E is for "tErminate".
[00:42] <DanaG> oh, and alt-sysrq-H prints the list of possible magic sysrq keys.
[00:42] <CJHard> mountall does make sense, a few hours after my last reboot mountall was upgraded
[00:43] <CJHard> alt-sysrq-pause/break does too I think
[00:43] <CJHard> (discovered that by mistake :D)
[00:43] <DanaG> yeah... it tends to just mysteriously hang.  Especially if there are errors in fstab.
[00:43] <CJHard> should I pastebin my fstab for judgement?
[00:43] <DanaG> Sure, it's worth a try.
[00:44] <davisc> CJHard: Does /var/log/dmesg on sda8 have anything (I know it's a long shot)
[00:44] <CJHard> http://pastebin.com/m29b76aa3
[00:44] <Lunis> ok so, if i just apt-get install grub will that do everything needed to make grub legacy magic happen? or are there other hacks I would have to perform?
[00:45] <myk_robinson> any of you tried any of the alternatives to Flash? Looking for something that will comfortably play full screen video without tearing on sites like Hulu or Youtube
[00:45] <CJHard> davisc:nothing new it looks like
[00:46] <CJHard> I don't think it's logging yet before it stops working
[00:46]  * davisc thinks UUIDs in boot configs are more hassle than they're worth
[00:46] <davisc> CJHard: Yeah, which is why I thought it was a long shot
[00:47] <CJHard> lots of EXT4-fs stuff about cleaning up orphans and deleting unreferenced inodes...
[00:47] <CJHard> although the system worked for that particular boot
[00:47] <davisc> I can never quite understand how a root FS can fail to start when the kernel has been read from the same file system....
[00:48] <CJHard> my thoughts exactly
[00:48] <CJHard> I don't think it's the root fs failing, but something that is supposed  to load after that step in the boot process
[00:48] <CJHard> According to my previous logs, udev starts right after the internal journal bit
[00:49] <davisc> CJHard: I've had a look at my dmesg there and "mounted filesystem with writeback data mode" is what comes after the message you get
[00:49] <BUGabundo> see you guys tomorrow. night
[00:49] <davisc> CJHard: And in my dmesg, udev starts before you get that message
[00:49] <savid> I've popped in the ubuntu 9.10 live CD to check it out on my laptop, and my laptop doesn't last very long due to it not cooling properly (it completely freezes up, my caps-lock and num-lock keys are flashing,  and the computer gets extremely hot. ).  Any ideas why this is happening?
[00:49] <virtuald> davisc: That's because the boot loader loads the Kernel and initramfs
[00:51] <CJHard> hmm. I don't recall seeing udev starting on my previous attempts to boot into recovery
[00:51] <davisc> virtuald: You'd think if the bootloader can successfully mount and read the disk, the kernel should be able to too...
[00:51] <CJHard> exploring the thought that it may just be udev failing, is there any way I can check that?
[00:52] <CJHard> owait
[00:52] <davisc> CJHard: dmesg ;-p
[00:52] <CJHard> what if I just regenerate a new initramfs?
[00:52] <CJHard> that would affect only one kernel...
[00:52]  * CJHard looks at the last time initramfs was generated for all kernels
[00:53] <davisc> I have seen a wonky initramfs being created and causing big problems...
[00:54] <CJHard> all initrd.img files were generated Wednesday 14, which is the day before my last successful boot, and 2.6.31-14 was made on the 17th, the night my problems began
[00:55] <CJHard> To put a context on this, I generated the initrd.img files manually troubleshooting some problems I was having with a custom kernel build. I eventually fixed it though
[00:55] <virtuald> davisc: Linux tries to use the root fs passed as the root= argument which should work with the same UUID as grub uses. I haven't seen your config. Is it grub 1 or 2? Btw use blkid to get the UUID
[00:55] <DanaG> Failed to load module "evdev" (module requirement mismatch, 0)
[00:55] <DanaG> weird.
[00:55] <DanaG> xorg-edgers PPA seems screwed up.
[00:56] <DanaG> !sendmail
[00:56] <DanaG> !mail
[00:56] <DanaG> hmmm, what's the simplest sendmail thingamajigger?
[00:56] <davisc> virtuald: Oh my machine is fine. It's just something that's always confused me :-)
[00:56] <virtuald> Oh ok
[00:59] <CJHard> This is bugging me
[01:00] <haven489> CJHard: R U still trying to fix your system the eeePC?
[01:01] <CJHard> yeah. it's my baby. I can't just wipe with no disregard
[01:01] <CJHard> and by that I meant no regard
[01:01] <CJHard> double negatives ftl
[01:02] <haven489> well if you can get it to boot from somthing you can get the information from it before the wiping...I know you dont want to but i dont see any other alternative, unless you have a repair CD or DVD for what ever Linux you are trying to boot from...
[01:02] <CJHard> oh, I also was able to chroot and apt-get update/upgrade/force install/etc etc with no problem
[01:02] <CJHard> I'm typing from a live usb of Karmic on the machine right now
[01:03] <haven489> can you get into your hard drives media? can you mount it?
[01:03] <CJHard> yeah, no problem at all with that
[01:03] <CJHard> I chrooted to it and ran updates
[01:03] <haven489> find the files you want to keep
[01:03] <Lunis> grub2 breaks windows. legacy grub, not so much... D:
[01:04] <CJHard> I wanna keep it all though D:
[01:04] <haven489> well...
[01:04] <haven489> let me se
[01:04] <haven489> see
[01:04] <haven489> do you know what files are broken or missing?
[01:05] <CJHard> not a clue. I'm starting to think it's mountall that's causing the trouble after it was mentioned
[01:05] <haven489> well is there a way to revert back to your old installation? i know you can do that...
[01:06] <DanaG> CJHard: oops, I missed your pastebin... I'm busy mucking around with nouveau.
[01:06] <CJHard> I need to find a deb of the previous version of mountall, chroot into the root partition, and then dpkg -i
[01:06] <haven489> like a point in time where your settings worked. It gets saved in your BIOS, but when you revert it deletes all the file that you had saved after that point
[01:06] <CJHard> DanaG: my fstab pastebin? http://pastebin.com/m29b76aa3
[01:07] <BluesKaj> CJHard, if you have access to a live cd , a clean install of the live cd is prolly in order and you can save your data  if you use the manual partitoning option on your /  partition.  That's how I rescued my install from disaster. You may need to reinstall some apps  but their config files will have remained intact so your settings will be retained.'
[01:07] <DanaG> CJHard: hmm, try taking out all the tmpfs ones.
[01:08] <DanaG> er, commenting out.
[01:08] <haven489> thats what ive been trying to say BluesKaj
[01:08] <BluesKaj> haven489, I just got here , guess i should have scrolled up
[01:08] <CJHard> DanaG: I'll give that a shot later. Where can I find a copy of the previous mountall deb?
[01:08] <CJHard> BluesKaj: I'm saving that as my last resort
[01:08] <CJHard> very very last resort
[01:09] <haven489> BluesKaj: no im thanking you
[01:09] <DanaG> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=mountall&searchon=names&suite=karmic&section=all
[01:09] <ikus060> Hi, I wonder if any one here have experience any issue lately using the latest nvidia driver
[01:09] <DanaG> er
[01:09] <DanaG> lemme find old version.
[01:09] <BluesKaj> CJHard, it works , i did it twice :)
[01:09] <haven489> none here
[01:10] <CJHard> I know it works, but I've also got a few dpkg-diverts with customized icons and customized config files in /etc and all sorts of junk
[01:10] <CJHard> I regularly check to make sure they're not causing troubles on updates though
[01:10] <DanaG> weird... I know there's somewhere you can find old versions... I just can't find it.
[01:10] <CJHard> I think launchpad has it, but I have no idea how to navigate launchpad
[01:11] <CJHard> I've saved network-manager through launchpad old packages once
[01:11] <DanaG> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+changelog
[01:11] <DanaG> ah.
[01:12] <DanaG> had to go packages.ubuntu.com -> find package -> bugs -> "overview" -> changelogs.
[01:12] <DanaG> and there, click a version.
[01:13] <CJHard> Ooh binfmt_misc is optional now? That came a little late, I had to rebuild a kernel three times because I forgot to enable that by accident...
[01:13] <BluesKaj> customized icons eh...hmm i guess we have differnt priorities :)
[01:13] <CJHard> BluesKaj: I butcher the crap out of my Ubuntu :D
[01:16] <CJHard> downgrading mountall
[01:17] <haven489> lets see if that works
[01:18] <CJHard> if it doesn't work, I'll be back in a few minutes. if it does work, I'll be back in a few seconds. Live usb boots kinda slowly... In any case, be right back
[01:22] <bjsnider> ikus060, there was an issue with the 0ubuntu5 version, but subsequent releases are fixed
[01:23] <haven489> BluesKaj: i dont think it worked
[01:24] <ikus060> bjsnider, ok. Well according to synaptic, I'm using 0ubuntu7. Is there a way to make sure There is no residual from 0ubuntu5 version ?
[01:25] <BluesKaj> haven489, reinstalling takes a while
[01:26] <bjsnider> ikus060, yes, because you're using the 0ubuntu7 version. i don't know what a residual is, but you have the correct version
[01:27] <ikus060> bjsnider, by risidual I mean file from version 0ubuntu5 that are still there...
[01:27] <bjsnider> no
[01:28] <CJHard> whelp
[01:28] <CJHard> that didn't work out too well. did a lot of nothing
[01:28] <DanaG> hmm, did you try the TERM thingy?  alt-sysrq-E?
[01:28] <CJHard> yep
[01:28] <DanaG> Weird.
[01:28] <DanaG> Did it give you a shell, at least?
[01:28] <ikus060> bjsnider, do you have a nvidia card ? Mine is a GeForce 7300 SE/7200 GS
[01:29] <CJHard> no shell either
[01:29] <DanaG> Odd.
[01:29] <bjsnider> ikus060, yes i does
[01:29] <DanaG> I wonder if it's just fsck'ing.
[01:29] <ikus060> bjsnider, lately I've been experiencing crash in every application that involve opengl
[01:29] <bjsnider> but not that old clunker
[01:29] <ikus060> ha ok
[01:30] <CJHard> it can't be fsck'ing because I fsck'ed here in the live usb and got nothing
[01:30] <DanaG> ah.
[01:30] <CJHard> it was clean, no stalls or anything
[01:30] <bjsnider> ikus060, let me explain what's what
[01:30] <haven489> well there is always my way...But well i dont want you to loose yer stuff
[01:31] <DanaG> hmm, what was the last thing it did?
[01:31] <bjsnider> ikus060, nvidia's driver is supported by them and only them. so you should go to the nvforums and tell them about that. you should also get a newer card
[01:31] <DanaG> It's possible tty1 is just not starting... and tty2 IS starting.
[01:31] <DanaG> I ran into that, also.
[01:32] <bjsnider> ikus060, the 7k cards are obsolete
[01:32] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, there's no reason why a GeForce 7300 SE/7200 GS won't work unless he has some kernel source problem , which i suspect is the case
[01:33] <CJHard> the last thing that shows up in the screen's log is ext4 stuff and recognition of the fact that I indeed have a harddrive and usb device
[01:33] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, I'm running a geforce 7600GT without any probs
[01:33] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, i'm just saying that the chips on those old things are obsolete. his problem must be solved by nvidia, because that's their driver and we have nothing to do with it
[01:34] <BluesKaj> that card is supported by the glx-185 driver
[01:34] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, have you had console text display issues with that card in the past?
[01:35] <BluesKaj> nope, just some glitches , that i managed to solve myself
[01:35] <ElijahCMenifee> wow all this time a mistyped password in /etc/ldap.secret (do not know the password, only have finger memory from years of use) that was keeping root from being able to validte users...
[01:36] <bjsnider> well, the <8k cards had console display problems that did not happen on the newer cards
[01:36] <bjsnider> chips, that is
[01:36] <bjsnider> amongst other things
[01:36] <BluesKaj> I did have to use the an nvidia supplied driver for a couple of weeks but that was due to a lag in the dev of 64 bit drivers
[01:36] <bjsnider> one day soon nvidia will stop releasing reliable drivers for the <8k stuff
[01:37] <CJHard> ohey when did swap get uncommented in fstab...
[01:38] <cwillu_at_work> ikus060, try reverting to the libc packages linked on bug 429003
[01:38] <CJHard> I'm going to reboot with everything commented but root and proc in my fstab
[01:39] <ElijahCMenifee> now to figure out the ldap auto-mapper stuff...
[01:40] <haven489> JOIN THE UBUNTU TESTING TEAM!
[01:41] <haven489> AND BE AWSOME FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE
[01:41] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, there are ppl here who are successfully using 6series cards on karmic
[01:41]  * cwillu_at_work adds haven489 to his ignore list
[01:41] <haven489> lol
[01:41] <filgy> haven489: awesome yo where do i sign up?
[01:41] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, how do you define success?
[01:42] <filgy> I'm using an nvidia 6600 in karmic
[01:42] <haven489> ill put up URL
[01:42] <filgy> if that is what the discusion is about
[01:42] <ikus060> cwillu_at_work: look similar to my issue
[01:42] <filgy> works fine
[01:42] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, lets not get into define this, define that ... it works for they want
[01:43] <BluesKaj> what
[01:43] <filgy> sure sometimes a HD flash video will not play great... but that is Flash's fault not the nvidia drivers
[01:43] <CJHard> HAHAHAHAHA! I feel like the biggest dimwit alive right now
[01:43] <CJHard> swap partition is busted
[01:43] <CJHard> and I knew that already
[01:44] <CJHard> but somehow I managed to uncomment the swap partition in fstab at one point or another
[01:44] <CJHard> I need a drink XD
[01:44] <bjsnider> linux will work without a swap partition
[01:45] <CJHard> I think I corrupted my swap partition trying to replicate a bug in compcache
[01:45] <haven489> filgy: here ya go
[01:45] <CJHard> and didn't care enough to fix it
[01:45] <haven489> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures
[01:45] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, many of the 6k folks have had problems they might not immediately think is due to the graphics card
[01:45] <CJHard> Thank you everybody for your help and support
[01:45] <filgy> haven489: thanks.. i was kinda being a troll though because of your all caps ;p
[01:46] <CJHard> actually....
[01:46] <filgy> karmic is working pretty great right now for me... i had some pulseaudio problems where it would eat like 60-80% cpu with nothing playing.. but that is fixed since the latest PA update
[01:46] <haven489> yea my capslock was on it was an accident
[01:46] <CJHard> actually, this explains why compcache with my swap partition as a backing swap was causing problems...
[01:48] <CJHard> I feel like a moron and that makes me happy. Only Ubuntu XD
[01:48] <haven489> CJHard: NP even though i was not very resource full...
[01:48] <CJHard> you gave it your best, it's more than anyone can expect from a complete stranger ;)
[01:49] <filgy> CJHard: sometimes with and type of *nix at first the problem appears pretty complicated... then if you think about it a bit the answer you get is super easy and works great ;p
[01:50] <haven489> CJHard: tanks
[01:50] <CJHard> I love Linux for that very reason. It's encouraged me to think more than anything else since I started using it in '03
[01:51] <haven489> CJHard: i just started using in the begining of 09
[01:51] <filgy> my first distro was redhat 4.0 ;p
[01:51] <filgy> kernel 2.0.30 I think?
[01:51] <filgy> but enough offtopic
[01:51] <CJHard> I've used Ubuntu since Warty Warthog. Before that I started with Fedora Core 3 Test 2, and before that I used Red Hat 9 in a virtual machine to get accustomed to Linux
[01:52] <haven489> rly?wow
[01:52] <filgy> ubuntu is great because it is based on debian... debian is super awesome except for the long release cycle... so far the ubuntu devs have done above and beyond what can be expected for a stable distro release every 6 months
[01:52] <DanaG> My first Linux distro was Suse 9.2.
[01:53] <DanaG> Or maybe even 9.1.
[01:53] <haven489> cant wait for suse 11.2
[01:53]  * DanaG CAN wait.
[01:53] <DanaG> =þ
[01:53] <CJHard> I tried SuSE sometime between Red Hat and Fedora C3T2, but didn't care much for it personally.
[01:53] <DanaG> I don't much like either Fedora's or SuSE's package managers.
[01:53] <BluesKaj> rpms ain't my cuppa tea
[01:53] <filgy> debs with apt are by far the best package management system imho
[01:53] <CJHard> I wholeheartedly agree
[01:53] <haven489> ubuntu is better for that
[01:54] <CJHard> Synaptic is the best thing to ever happen to Linux since Linus Torvolds ;)
[01:54] <shawn_> Does Karmic use Compiz?
[01:54] <haven489> yea
[01:54] <DanaG> hmm, what is kde4 like, nowadays?
[01:54] <filgy> now.. before apt.. when you had to use dselect... that was NOT fun :) debs were still superior to rpm at that time though
[01:54] <DanaG> When Gnome-Shell rolls around, I'm going to ditch it... I refuse to give up Compiz.
[01:54] <haven489> Shawn_: yes it does
[01:55] <shawn_> haven489 Does it use the same compiz extras thing as Jaunty?
[01:55] <CJHard> DanaG: Another whole hearted agreement from me ;)
[01:55] <haven489> shawn_:mostly, there are 3 or 4 bugs yet to be fixed
[01:56] <DHowett> Hmm.. i seem to be left completely without a -usable- IM client on a fresh installation of Ubuntu 9.10beta.
[01:56] <haven489> yes i know
[01:56] <CJHard> DHowett: No empathy? It's not that bad
[01:56] <haven489> i had to DL Pidgen
[01:56] <shawn_> haven489 Ill wait then
[01:56] <DHowett> CJHard: oh.. i didn't know that passed for usable :-/
[01:56] <DHowett> CJHard: any idea why the switch was made? :(
[01:57] <CJHard> I don't mind it personally
[01:57] <haven489> shawn_:wait for it to come out and then wait for about 1 month most bugs are fixed my then
[01:57] <CJHard> I think because Empathy got video chat before Pidgin
[01:57] <CJHard> but then Pidgin got it and everyone freaked out
[01:57] <DHowett> ahhh
[01:58] <haven489> what i want to know is why...
[01:58] <DHowett> CJHard: thanks
[01:58] <kklimonda> DHowett, pidgin developers weren't responsible, using empathy as default now helps testing it before LTS etc.
[01:58] <bjsnider> DanaG, you're going to ditch what?
[01:58] <DHowett> kklimonda: weren't 'responsible'?
[01:58] <DanaG> Gnome.
[01:58] <cwillu_at_work> 10.04  should be a good lts release, I think we've gotten all the really scary changes in, with plenty of time to get things stable for the actually important release :p
[01:59] <haven489> So what is empathy?
[01:59] <haven489> ive never used it
[01:59] <bjsnider> DanaG, you cannot be serious
[01:59] <CJHard> I wish BFS made it in...
[01:59] <cwillu_at_work> bfs?
[01:59] <DanaG> Well, if they block out Compiz, then yes, I am serious,
[01:59] <DHowett> It just seems odd to switch from something featureful to something lacking, and make that choice for all new users.
[01:59] <DanaG> .
[01:59] <kklimonda> DHowett, dunno if they are now but in the past there were various problems in communication between pidgin devs and users or downstream (distributions)
[01:59] <DHowett> kklimonda: ah, alright.. thanks
[01:59] <CJHard> cwillu_at_work: Brain Fuck Scheduler by Con Kolivas
[02:00] <cwillu_at_work> CJHard, he's back is he?
[02:00] <CJHard> yeah he is! :D
[02:00] <CJHard> I learned how to compile my own kernel because of that guy
[02:01] <haven489> can someone tell me what empathy is?
[02:01] <bjsnider> kolivas does not want bfs merged
[02:01] <CJHard> I'm using his BFS patch on my netbook and my phone and it feels so much more useable, and animations in compiz are so smooth
[02:01] <kklimonda> haven489, IM software that replaced pidgin in 9.10
[02:01] <CJHard> doesn't have to go mainline, I just want it default in Ubuntu
[02:01] <shawn_> Anybody else's sound fuzzy with Karmic?
[02:01] <bjsnider> bfs is an expermeint designed to provoke changes in the cfs, which it has already done
[02:02] <haven489> oh i see, i just DLed pigden didnt even look into empathy
[02:02] <haven489> i saw it but didnt know it was an IM
[02:02] <cwillu_at_work> CJHard, disabling dynamic ticks is a nonstarter though
[02:02] <kklimonda> haven489,  "IM Client" in its description is a pretty good hint imo ;)
[02:02] <CJHard> how so?
[02:03] <DanaG> oh yeah, I started Empathy, and went automatically to add-new-account wizard........
[02:03] <DanaG> .... and there's no option for IRC!
[02:03] <haven489> i know
[02:03] <cwillu_at_work> CJHard, battery life is determined largely by how long the cpu can be in the lowest sleep states;  turning off dynamic ticks and going to 1000hz means you're guarenteed 1000 wakeups per second
[02:03] <haven489> kklimonda: just didnt like change
[02:03]  * haven489 hides in a corner
[02:03] <cwillu_at_work> CJHard, by comparison, my laptop sits at about 17 wakeups per second, and that's high due to the broadcom wireless
[02:04] <cwillu_at_work> DanaG, empathy has irc
[02:04] <DanaG> Not in the first-run wizard.
[02:04] <DanaG> It's odd.
[02:04] <DanaG> IF you quit the first-run wizard and go back to add an account... only there does it show IRC.
[02:05] <CJHard> cwillu_at_work: My battery still lasts 5 hours and 20 minutes according to gnome-power-manager
[02:05] <bjsnider> DanaG, i predict you will not abandon gnome
[02:05] <DanaG> Well, I damn well won't give up Compiz, as long as Mutter has the animations it had last time I tried it.
[02:05] <haven489> Gnome is the best, alot more stable the KDE
[02:05] <cwillu_at_work> CJHard, and according to the actual clock time till it turns off? :p
[02:05] <DanaG> "Shrink to center" for close, open, minimize, and unminimize.
[02:05] <DHowett> DanaG: suppoedly you have to manually install protocol backends? not sure
[02:06] <cwillu_at_work> CJHard, (gnome-power-manager will be estimating off the historical life)
[02:06] <DanaG> Totally makes no sense... a "minimize" should NOT feel the same as a "close"!
[02:06] <CJHard> cwillu_at_work: I don't know, it's never turned off on me. My battery lasts too long :P
[02:06] <DHowett> Is there some place where we can complain about this :P
[02:07] <haven489> cwillu_at_work: lol
[02:08] <haven489> DHowett: IDK maybe ill search
[02:08] <DanaG> ugh, if I click a button on my taskbar... I expect the window to move TOWARD THE TASKBAR.
[02:08] <DHowett> haven489: i'm looking in launchpad
[02:08] <CJHard> cwillu_at_work: I do understand where you're coming from however. I did think about battery life when I first injected this patch into my kernel, but I have an 8-cell battery on a netbook so decided to throw caution to the wind ;)
[02:08] <DanaG> wait, the close has changed... at least that's a bit better.
[02:08] <cwillu_at_work> fair enough
[02:08] <DanaG> But you still can't tell "open" apart from "unminimize".
[02:09] <haven489> DHowett: ill google it
[02:09] <cwillu_at_work> CJHard, I used sd (and rsdl when it was still called that) a few years ago, actually needed it to make a system work properly (multiseat, with cpu intensive emulators on each seat)
[02:09] <cwillu_at_work> CJHard, I have no fond memories of maintaining a custom kernel though :p
[02:09] <DHowett> i maintain a custom kernel, but found the experience SERIOUSLY frustrating on ubuntu :-/
[02:09] <cwillu_at_work> CJHard, such that I'd actually have to set up a double-blind test before I'd consider maintaining it long term
[02:10] <CJHard> this is my first time actually successfully building a kernel with a customized config and even patches to boot
[02:10] <cwillu_at_work> DHowett, just use the upstream kernel
[02:10] <haven489> BRB
[02:10] <cwillu_at_work> DHowett, pretty much a one-liner
[02:10] <theacolyte> If I were to install 9.10 beta now, will there be an upgrade path to release?
[02:10] <cwillu_at_work> theacolyte, apt-get upgrade :p
[02:10] <CJHard> I removed a lot of things, injected bfs, baked in some modules that I made use of, etc
[02:10] <alteregoa> yes just update daily
[02:10] <DHowett> cwillu_at_work: i specifically need to make modifications though
[02:10] <theacolyte> cwillu_at_work: that's essentially what I was hoping
[02:10] <theacolyte> thanks
[02:11] <cwillu_at_work> CJHard, there's no reason to bake in modules though, it won't save you any time or performance really
[02:11] <DHowett> cwillu_at_work: like, to the motorola usb modem driver, and the sdhci driver (to ignore the read-only status of the card :P)
[02:11] <CJHard> I also updated my wireless modules with a custom patch to be compatible with .31, and put compcache in the mix
[02:11] <alteregoa> the kernel freeze is 2.6.31.3
[02:11] <cwillu_at_work> CJHard, in _very_ tight memory, you can gain some memory back, but beyond that the only reason to compile in a module is if you can't even boot the kernel without it
[02:11] <haven489> I have a ubuntu 9.04 OS on my laptop and want to install Empathy what file do i mark for install??????
[02:12] <CJHard> cwillu_at_work: baking in the intel gpu drivers with kms made a small difference in the bootup. kms activates earlier now
[02:12] <cwillu_at_work> CJHard, frankly, I don't believe you :p
[02:12] <alteregoa> well tehre are paches using framebuff as swap
[02:13] <CJHard> it's true though. I noticed it when troubleshooting that problem earlier switching from kernel to kernel in recovery mode
[02:13] <DanaG> framebuffer as swap?  what?
[02:13] <alteregoa> yeah
[02:13] <CJHard> o_O I've never heard that one before
[02:14] <DHowett> that seems a little weird?
[02:14] <cwillu_at_work> not sure fb actually has enough bandwidth on the return trip to make that sensible
[02:14] <habanany> I need help brothers, I'm getting this message (Because "Failed to execute gpg: Broken pipe", you may need to select different mail options)
[02:14] <DHowett> especially since you could just disable the framebuffer and reclaim that memory?
[02:14] <DHowett> :P
[02:14] <cwillu_at_work> i.e., I'd rather do compressed swap to main memory
[02:14] <cwillu_at_work> DHowett, presumably we're talking discrete cards here :p
[02:14] <alteregoa> no
[02:14] <DHowett> cwillu_at_work: ah true
[02:14] <alteregoa> it uses the vga memory
[02:14] <DHowett> oh. well then.
[02:14] <CJHard> wouldn't that cause corruption on screen?
[02:15] <alteregoa> no
[02:15] <alteregoa> if you keep 2d
[02:15] <DHowett> ...
[02:15] <DHowett> VGA FB is used for 2d as well..
[02:15] <alteregoa> http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Using_Graphics_Card_Memory_as_Swap
[02:16] <DHowett> that is slightly different
[02:16] <DHowett> than what you described :P
[02:17] <alteregoa> yeah but it can be modified with some geekyness
[02:18] <Resistol> Does anyone know yet what causes things like youtube to fail horribly when I try to watch them in fullscreen?  I've read things about hardware accelleration, but still have seen no fixes in sight...
[02:18] <CJHard> I see what's going on here. If you enjoy using the vesa driver then more power to you, but I prefer to use the drivers that make use of the gpu's memory to make things look nice ;)
[02:18] <DanaG> Or, if you have two gpus, that works too.
[02:18] <Resistol> Also, what parts should I avoid buying in the future to avoid the issue?  Is it an intel thing, an nvidia problem?  Or just linux in general and flash?
[02:18] <CJHard> Resistol: We gave up full screen youtube for 4096 CPU support
[02:18] <kklimonda> Resistol, flash is one of those applications that still fail miserable on linux in some users cases..
[02:18] <DanaG> CJHard: ah, xkcd?
[02:19] <CJHard> ;)
[02:19] <bjsnider> DanaG, what specifically does gnome-shell+mutter fail to give you that compiz provides at this point in time?
[02:19] <CJHard> Also the inspiration for CK's return with BFS btw
[02:19] <DanaG> Control.
[02:19] <DanaG> Settings.
[02:19] <DanaG> Configurability.
[02:19] <DanaG> "Scale Windows" feature.
[02:19] <Resistol> hah thanks CJHard
[02:19] <cwillu_at_work> Resistol, incidently, all (well, most) flash videos will show up as /tmp/Flashxxxxx, which you can play in totem just fine
[02:20] <cwillu_at_work> (fullscreen and everything :p)
[02:20] <bjsnider> DanaG, and what if gnome-shell gives you those features by 10.04?
[02:20] <bjsnider> well, gnome 3 really
[02:20] <Resistol> kklimonda, I've had 4 computers including this one that have the issue - some using ati cards, some with intel integrated cards, and one with nvidia gts8600... all of them fail, especially with hulu
[02:20] <DanaG> Oh, and what about lamp and "vacuum", and cube?
[02:21] <Resistol> I've gotten a totem workaround to work for youtube, but it will not work for other sites like hulu...
[02:21]  * cwillu_at_work pokes Resistol with the did-you-read-my-comment stick
[02:21] <CJHard> I can't live without lamp and vacuum!
[02:21] <CJHard> I came up with vacuum!
[02:21] <DHowett> i love lamp..
[02:21] <DanaG> I have menus set to vacuum, and min/unmin set to lamp.
[02:21] <DHowett> oh, you mean the effect
[02:21] <DanaG> Then it's like the mouse slurps up the menus.  =þ
[02:21] <kklimonda> DanaG, you really compare desktops based on effects they provide? :)
[02:21] <DanaG> Like a noodle.
[02:21] <Resistol> cwillu_at_work, yeah, i found a plugin workaround using scriptmonkey to replace youtube's player with a totem player in browser - works great for youtube, but not other sites
[02:21] <DanaG> Yeah, I have my specific preferences... and if gnome-shell won't give me what I want, I won't use it.
[02:22] <DHowett> hooray for lxde without any visual effects :P
[02:22] <DanaG> Resistol: mind linking to that greasemonkey script?
[02:22] <Resistol> DanaG, lemme find it...
[02:22] <bjsnider> DanaG, you do agree that the k desktop environment is tremendously bad right?
[02:22] <CJHard> Resistol: I saw that on the forums somewhere
[02:22] <DanaG> I don't know... I haven't used it in a while.
[02:22] <DanaG> I never really found it "bad"... just bulky.
[02:22] <kklimonda> btw, do anybody have a recent gnome-shell screenshot?
[02:22] <CJHard> I haven't used KDE since that time I tried SuSE
[02:23] <DanaG> And that should be fixable with qgtkstyle.
[02:23] <kklimonda> does it still look like a bucket of tar? ;)
[02:23] <DanaG> Bulky as in pixels, not memory.
[02:23] <CJHard> does it still look like someone puked up a copy of Windows XP's default theme?
[02:23] <bjsnider> more or less
[02:23] <cwillu_at_work> Resistol, yes, but that's not what I told you to do
[02:24]  * DanaG also doesn't like OS X.
[02:25] <DanaG> Hey, you see that window in the lower-right side of the screen?  Make it bigger without going off the edge... in just one operation.
[02:25] <bjsnider> you cal poly guys are ornery
[02:25] <DanaG> You can't.... resize is from lower-right only!  Same sort of "lack of control" thing.
[02:25] <Resistol> cwillu_at_work, do I have to watch the whole video on hulu in crap fps, then go to that folder to re-watch it in totem?
[02:25] <DanaG> <insert update-manager rant here>
[02:25] <DanaG> =þ
[02:26] <yang__> Hey, can someone help me with a permissions issue?
[02:26] <cwillu_at_work> Resistol, no, you have to leave the player open but muted, and watch it in totem as it gets streamed into that file
[02:26] <cwillu_at_work> Resistol, yes, it's a pain :p
[02:26] <stpere> yang__: elaborate please
[02:26] <Resistol> DanaG, tada!  http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/50771
[02:27] <cpjr72> anyone know if you can use empathy to use gizmo?  says it supports SIP protocol but I cant find how to setup the account
[02:27] <yang__> cat /var/syslog ....  " requested_mask="a::" "
[02:27] <yang__> setting updynamic dns .. client auths correctly. bind is having trouble writing file..
[02:27] <Resistol> cwillu_at_work, that method really won't work for my plan "get mom and grandma to use linux" - hulu and flash games are probably 90% of what they do online
[02:29] <Resistol> Do the flash games also suffer significantly?  My little cousins are key players in the decision to get mac/linux - they are 6 and 11
[02:29] <DanaG> google for "flash vdapu"
[02:29] <bjsnider> flash does not yet use vdpau
[02:29] <bjsnider> it might with 10.1
[02:29] <yang__> stpere: you there?
[02:29] <bjsnider> adobe never makes official statements like that though
[02:30] <DanaG> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzU5OA
[02:30]  * DanaG wonders about xvba-video
[02:30] <CJHard> Does anybody know if those flash accelerator cards in HP netbooks actually help Flash's performance?
[02:31] <fluvvell> ? xserver-xorg-ati
[02:31] <DanaG> http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=95572
[02:31] <bjsnider> your new job is posting phoronix links
[02:31] <DanaG> oh, you mean the Broadcom thing?  Well, seeing that it's Broadcom, I kinda' doubt it.
[02:32] <CJHard> yep, that's exactly the one I'm talking about. I was very skeptical about it when I heard about it
[02:32] <CJHard> if it works, I'm selling my 1000H and buying an HP mini
[02:32] <cwillu_at_work> Resistol, it's the bitmap scaling that's an issue afaik, I don't think games are hit that badly when fullscreened
[02:33] <Resistol> Also, are there any good parental controls apps out?
[02:33] <CJHard> Does the NVIDIA ION work well in Linux yet? the new Mini 311 uses ION
[02:34] <bjsnider> Resistol, are there any for windows?
[02:34] <Resistol> none that i know of ;-)
[02:35] <bjsnider> i know a good one. say "you can't ever use this computer"
[02:35] <o_portista17> i have a problem with PhP and the ram usage, can someone help me out? http://codepad.org/qlMRNhDQ
[02:36] <DanaG> CJHard: I like ATI for the openness, but I believe the Ion should work just as well as any.
[02:36] <bjsnider> o_portista17, how is this a karmic issue?
[02:36] <DanaG> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nvidia_ion_linux&num=1
[02:36] <DanaG> yes, more phoronix.  =þ
[02:37] <o_portista17> a friend of mine, tried to change the ram usage, on 9.04, and it's working on his computer
[02:37] <o_portista17> but if it's not then...sorry ;x
[02:37] <bjsnider> o_portista17, did you restart apache after you made that change?
[02:37] <CJHard> I rarely make it past page 3 on phoronix.com
[02:38] <o_portista17> yes, i couple of times
[02:38] <DanaG> handy hint: skip to the end.  =þ
[02:38] <episodic> anyone know how crossover is running on karmic?
[02:38] <DanaG> Read the first and last pages; all else are less important, usually.
[02:39] <bjsnider> o_portista17, that's an absurd maximum file upload size
[02:39] <CJHard> how's nvidia treating kms and compiz lately?
[02:39] <o_portista17> i know, that was just to make sure, that the upload size, was not the issue
[02:39] <Resistol> i gotta run guys, but thanks for all of your help
[02:40] <bjsnider> CJHard, compiz works perfectly, no kms ever
[02:40] <CJHard> that kms thing may be the deal breaker. I've gotten quite accustomed to it of late with my Intel 945
[02:40] <bjsnider> kms works perfectly with the newest nouveau driver, but there's no 3d at all with that
[02:40] <episodic> anything about crossover i should know before i install on karmic?
[02:41] <CJHard> does compiz count as 3D?
[02:41] <bjsnider> yes
[02:41] <CJHard> Guess I'll just have to  stick to my trusty 1000H
[02:41] <DanaG> oh, google for flash va-api
[02:42] <DanaG> perhaps that'll help?
[02:42] <DanaG> that's Intel's thing.
[02:42] <bjsnider> o_portista17, try the #httpd channel
[02:42] <o_portista17> ok, thank's for the help
[02:42] <bjsnider> va-api is a company called splitted desktops, from france
[02:43] <ransom> does anyone know if there are karmic nightly binaries around anywhere?
[02:43] <bjsnider> nightly binaries of what?
[02:43] <PlainFlavored> karmic
[02:43] <CJHard> images.ubuntu.com?
[02:43]  * PlainFlavored rimshots
[02:44] <CJHard> cdimages.ubuntu.com is what I meant to type
[02:44] <bjsnider> karmic is not a binary
[02:44] <ransom> bjsnider: good point, i meant to say nightly images
[02:45] <bjsnider> !daily-live
[02:45] <bjsnider> sure you do, stupid bot
[02:45] <bjsnider> !daily-livecd
[02:46] <PlainFlavored> !daily
[02:46] <ransom> it's okay, i found daily live images on the website that CJHard provided (thank you!)
[02:46] <bjsnider> now i'll have to give you a fist beating
[02:46] <PlainFlavored> wohoho!
[02:46] <CJHard> lol no prob ;)
[02:46] <CJHard> I used cdimages.ubuntu.com earlier today to make a live-usb on another computer
[02:46] <PlainFlavored> i didn't know that ubuntu betas come in live cds
[02:53] <CJHard> I'm going to log out. I have to work tomorrow morning. Follow me on twitter or facebook or something google.com/profiles/cjhard
[02:59] <MrKeuner> anyone experiencing a lagging right click action using a bluetooth mouse on Karmic?
[03:01] <MrKeuner> right click works fine on my touchpad but it does not (always) on the bluetooth mouse. The bluetooth mouse functions fine otherwise
[03:11] <webbb82> i went to do a system update and it said it could only do a partial upgrade, there were 77 packages   what should i do , update or not
[03:12] <kklimonda> launch apt-get dist-upgrade and see what packages are going to be removed
[03:13] <kklimonda> it may be that the new pulseaudio is conflicting with rtkit
[03:13] <webbb82> kklimonda, ok
[03:14] <webbb82> should i do a apt-get update first?
[03:14] <kklimonda> it won't hurt
[03:16] <test34> webbb82, I just had a partial upgrade also
[03:16] <webbb82> i was told never to do a partial
[03:17] <webbb82> rtkit will be removed
[03:18] <webbb82> kklimonda, good guess
[03:18] <jimpop> what exactly is rtkit?  (google implies that it's a rootkit)
[03:18] <kklimonda> jimpop, it's a daemon that give realtime for applications upon request
[03:19] <jimpop> kklimonda, what types of apps?   I'm trying to determine if I need rtkit.
[03:19] <kklimonda> jimpop, you don't - it a) doesn't work and b) is used only by pulseaudio
[03:20] <kklimonda> a) is the reason why it's being removed
[03:20] <jimpop> kklimonda, ah, ty
[03:20] <webbb82> kklimonda, should i do the partial upgrade or remove rtkit
[03:20] <kklimonda> webbb82, yes
[03:20] <kklimonda> oh, wait - it wasn't yes/no question :D
[03:20]  * jimpop wonders if pulseaudio will be removed, like rtkit, since it also doesn't work :-)
[03:21] <kklimonda> webbb82, doing partial upgrade should remove rtkit
[03:21] <webbb82> ya
[03:21] <kklimonda> jimpop, actually PA works in many user cases ;)
[03:21] <kklimonda> webbb82, you can safely remove it - doesn't work anyway ;)
[03:21] <jimpop> kklimonda, I know.  It is actually working well for me now... but since I've long complained about it, the habit is hard to break
[03:22] <kklimonda> jimpop, I guess - I still see a lot of people removing PA "just in case".. :)
[03:23] <jimpop> kklimonda, it's a hold over from having so many Windows problems that you continually hate them despite them working well (Win7) now.
[03:23] <dtchen> oh don't worry. if it's not users ranting about PA in Ubuntu, it's upstream ranting about PA in Ubuntu. :-)
[03:24] <dtchen> I wonder who cares enough to actually fix PA in Ubuntu if it's so horribly broken. :-)
[03:24] <haven489> Ubuntu rocks -End of line-
[03:24] <stpere> wrong
[03:24] <stpere> plenty of stuff to get better
[03:24] <stpere> :)
[03:24] <mobi-sheep> Wrong!
[03:25] <kklimonda> dtchen, Lennart still does? I though he has stopped after ranting about how bad it was in 8.04 :)
[03:25] <mobi-sheep> Ask the right person and he will tell you any *nix is the right choice. ;3
[03:25] <stpere> mobi-sheep: wrong? then why will we (they) work on 10.04?
[03:25] <stpere> oh
[03:25] <dtchen> kklimonda: he just blogged about how much of a travesty PA is in 9.10
[03:29] <kklimonda> dtchen, I was suprised about the rtkit removal myself :) and I don't see what's insulting about the first patch.. and what was the reason to disable flat volumes after all?
[03:30] <dtchen> kklimonda: seb mentioned (and I noticed) that many people are confused by the behavior of flatvol
[03:32] <dooglus> can anyone help me getting USB mass storage devices mounted in karmic please?
[03:32] <kklimonda> dtchen, but aren't they still going to be confused about it in the 6 months? Or have you decided to not enable it by default.. forever? :)
[03:32] <dooglus> I used to be able to just plug them in and have them get mounted automatically, but no longer
[03:33] <kklimonda> dooglus, try "ubuntu-bug storage"
[03:33] <dooglus> ubuntu-bug storage
[03:33] <kklimonda> in terminal or alt+f2
[03:34] <dtchen> kklimonda: I understand its semantics, some others do, but yet still others don't?
[03:34] <dtchen> kklimonda: it would have been disabled for Karmic regardless
[03:35] <dooglus> kklimonda: that's cool
[03:35] <dtchen> kklimonda: a lot of people miss out that these decisions aren't made lightly
[03:36] <stpere> kklimonda: if it's confusing, and still is in 6 months, why include it? :)
[03:36] <dtchen> stpere: well, that's one argument that was made for disabling it
[03:37] <dtchen> at this point everyone's complaining, so finding a middle ground is ... trying.
[03:38] <stpere> Karmic to this point reminds me Badger
[03:38] <dtchen> Breezy was a stellar release for audio :(
[03:39] <dtchen> granted, that was only by virtue of stuff being much simpler
[03:39] <stpere> hmm.. wait
[03:39] <stpere> I mean gibbon
[03:39] <dtchen> Gutsy?
[03:39] <stpere> yes
[03:39] <dtchen> even with Gutsy, it was simpler :-)
[03:39] <stpere> Badger was great yes
[03:40] <dtchen> I worked through them all, but I spent less time for Hardy
[03:40] <stpere> ah yes
[03:40] <BluesKaj> dtchen, as I said earlier , there just too many cooks in the Linux-audio kitchen
[03:40] <jimpop> BluesKaj. amen
[03:41] <dtchen> BluesKaj: heh. Well, it's well busy now, so I suppose we get to deal with it.
[03:41] <Lenin_Cat> for some reason when I upgraded to karmic I lost my sound
[03:41] <stpere> the problem is that it's hard to get people aboard if they don't have their say in the decision
[03:41] <stpere> their word*
[03:42] <dtchen> Lenin_Cat: completely (as in a linux problem) or just partially (as in a volume setting problem)?
[03:43] <dtchen> Lenin_Cat: please use http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh for starters
[03:46] <Lenin_Cat> for some reason when I upgraded to karmic I lost my sound
[03:46] <Lenin_Cat> my installation crashed about 2/3 through
[03:46] <Lenin_Cat> I repaired most of my system
[03:47] <Lenin_Cat> but I dont know how to repair my sound
[03:47] <dtchen> Lenin_Cat: please use http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh for starters
[03:48] <Lenin_Cat> and were is xorg config located?
[03:48] <dtchen> Lenin_Cat: it won't exist, normally
[03:48] <Lenin_Cat> dtchen, no, the one in /etc
[03:48] <dtchen> /etc/X11/xorg.conf remains the location
[03:49] <Lenin_Cat> and what exactly is that script for?
[03:49] <dtchen> Lenin_Cat: it gathers sound debugging information
[03:49] <dtchen> Lenin_Cat: if you don't want to use that, just use "ubuntu-bug alsa-base"
[03:49] <dtchen> either way, please do it quickly, because I'm leaving for work soon.
[03:50] <Lenin_Cat> Traceback (most recent call last):
[03:50] <Lenin_Cat>   File "/usr/share/apport/apport-gtk", line 16, in
[03:50] <Lenin_Cat>     from apport import unicode_gettext as _
[03:50] <Lenin_Cat> ImportError: cannot import name unicode_gettext
[03:51] <Lenin_Cat> dtchen,
[03:51] <dtchen> Lenin_Cat: apt-get --reinstall install apport-gtk
[03:51] <Lenin_Cat> im currently installing a load of things in apt-get
[03:51] <Lenin_Cat> oh, its done
[03:51] <dtchen> Lenin_Cat: make sure that you're using 2.6.31-14-generic, not 2.6.28-xx-generic
[03:51] <Lenin_Cat> I wub binary
[03:52] <Lenin_Cat> same error
[03:52] <alteregoa> i got a vince clarke error
[03:53] <dtchen> Lenin_Cat: then please use alsa-info.sh
[03:53] <yang__> Hey can someone help me with client side ddns?
[03:53] <yang__> server is all set up and i can do it manually
[03:53] <yang__> but when to automate is my question
[03:54] <Lenin_Cat> index.html?p=alsa-driver.git.3
[03:54] <Lenin_Cat> I hate how console has no ctl c
[03:54] <Lenin_Cat> ./alsa.sh: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[03:54] <Lenin_Cat> ./alsa.sh: line 1: `<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>'
[03:55] <dtchen> Lenin_Cat: it should be alsa-info.sh, not alsa.sh?
[03:56] <Lenin_Cat> ok I renamed it
[03:56] <Lenin_Cat> ./alsa.sh: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[03:56] <Lenin_Cat> ./alsa.sh: line 1: `<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>'
[03:56] <Lenin_Cat> GOD DAMN IT
[03:56] <Lenin_Cat> sudo: ./alsa-info.sh: command not found
[03:56] <Lenin_Cat> :)
[03:56] <kklimonda> Lenin_Cat, do it:
[03:56] <kklimonda> wget -O alsa-info.sh http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && bash alsa-info.sh
[03:56] <dtchen> also, you don't need to use sudo for it
[03:57] <Lenin_Cat> Automatically upload ALSA information to www.alsa-project.org? [y/N] :
[03:57] <Lenin_Cat> yes?
[03:57] <dtchen> Lenin_Cat: whichever you want
[03:57] <dtchen> if you choose no, it should be in /tmp/alsa-info.txt
[03:57] <dtchen> you can then pastebin that file
[03:57] <yang__> yes
[03:58] <Lenin_Cat> dtchen, K
[03:58] <Lenin_Cat> dtchen, Ill just redo it and click y
[03:58] <Lenin_Cat> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=61b38c1987064df7f85deb7a26497382514b2596
[03:58] <MrKeuner> anyone experiencing a lagging right click action using a bluetooth mouse on Karmic? right click works fine on my touchpad but it does not (always) on the bluetooth mouse. The bluetooth mouse functions fine otherwise
[03:59] <MrKeuner> what is the nae of the X utility to see mouse clicks?
[03:59] <kklimonda> Lenin_Cat, looks like you are running a wrong kernel
[03:59] <Lenin_Cat> there are such things as bluetouth mice?
[04:00] <kklimonda> Lenin_Cat, you should use 2.6.31-14
[04:00] <Lenin_Cat> kklimonda, I dont see that option in grub
[04:00] <kklimonda> MrKeuner, xev can display mouse clicks
[04:00] <Lenin_Cat> what is the apt package
[04:00] <kklimonda> Lenin_Cat, well, it looks like your system is still pretty much broken..
[04:00] <Lenin_Cat> it is
[04:01] <Lenin_Cat> it crashed when updating to karmic
[04:01] <Lenin_Cat> I repaired apt-get
[04:01] <Lenin_Cat> so I have basic system
[04:01] <Lenin_Cat> kklimonda, now what package
[04:01] <kklimonda> Lenin_Cat, install linux-generic
[04:02] <kklimonda> but from the state your apport is in I'm not sure if reinstalling karmic from scratch wouldn't be a faster option
[04:02] <Lenin_Cat>  A new version of /boot/grub/menu.lst is available, but the version   │
[04:02] <Lenin_Cat>     │ installed currently has been locally modified.
[04:03] <Lenin_Cat> kklimonda, well, unetbootin isnt overwrighting my files, and I keep burning discs badly
[04:03] <kklimonda> Lenin_Cat, you should choose option to replace it with version shipped in package unless you made some heave changes in your menu.lst
[04:03] <Lenin_Cat> so no choice really
[04:03] <Lenin_Cat> kklimonda, I added windows 7 chainboot
[04:04] <Lenin_Cat> kklimonda, but I can add that later
[04:05] <Lenin_Cat> brb rebooting
[04:08] <Lenin_Cat> kklimonda, sound still dosent work
[04:09] <Lenin_Cat> I would of heared "welcome comrade" at sign it
[04:09] <Lenin_Cat> :P
[04:09] <Lenin_Cat> kklimonda?
[04:09] <kklimonda> Lenin_Cat, do alsa-info thing aain
[04:09] <kklimonda> again*
[04:10] <Lenin_Cat> kklimonda, http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=e5d0c85af8a1f50cad3784fb3c601d7851519237
[04:11] <Lenin_Cat> wut
[04:11] <Lenin_Cat> my sound works again
[04:11] <Lenin_Cat> erm
[04:11] <maco> Lenin_Cat: speak too soon?
[04:12] <Lenin_Cat> odd
[04:12] <Lenin_Cat> system sounds dont work
[04:12] <Lenin_Cat> but firefox dose
[04:12] <Lenin_Cat> XD
[04:12] <Lenin_Cat> dear god, I love how mad I mess up my system
[04:12] <Lenin_Cat> :e3
[04:13] <Lenin_Cat> looks like I need to reinstall fglrx too
[04:13] <Lenin_Cat> kklimonda, nah, I dont need to do a fresh install
[04:13] <Lenin_Cat> I just need to fix my video drivers and ill slowly fix the rest as I run into issues
[04:14] <Lenin_Cat> thanks for your help
[04:14] <Lenin_Cat> :)
[04:15] <Lenin_Cat> kklimonda,
[04:15] <kklimonda> no problem
[04:36] <Rorty> hello I was wondering if mpx (multi pointer server) will run under karmic ?
[04:41] <Jordan_U> Rorty: Not by default
[04:41] <Rorty> but doable?
[04:41] <Jordan_U> Rorty: Yes, if you install a later version of Xorg with MPX enabled
[04:42] <td123> Rorty: if ubuntu uses xserver 1.7 then it's possible
[04:42] <oldude67> hey all hows it going tonight?
[04:42] <thiebaude> oldude67, great
[04:42] <thiebaude> oldude67, falling asleep
[04:43] <oldude67> still trying to set this dual p3 up from the way i had the old celeron ..didnt think i made that many friggin changes..lmao
[04:44] <Rorty> Jordan_U & td123 thnx for info, 10 more night untill karmic :)
[04:49] <savid> Hi, so I've just installed 9.10.  first boot wasn't pretty, couldn't get into X until I deleted the xorg.conf it created for me (it tried to configure for nvidia w/o installing nvidia driver :-P).
[04:49] <savid> Anyways, I like the xsplash,  but I'm wondering how I can get the initial small white ubuntu logo during the early boot process, as in this vid:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m64J8L4FdXo    ?
[04:50] <savid> ( I like to see the least amount of console junk as possible during boot )
[04:50] <savid> (using beta amd64)
[04:50] <thiebaude> savid, have you done updates since you installed 9.10?
[04:51] <rob0> Ha, back in my Windows days, I had reinstalling win95 down to a science, and one of the first things I always did: delete logo.sys !
[04:52] <Jordan_U> savid: You shouldn't see any console output during boot, even if you don't see the Ubuntu logo
[04:53] <savid> thiebaude,  no updates yet
[04:53] <webbb82> im trying to compile  the raptor menu  but i get a error can someone take a look at this its pretty small  please
[04:53] <keith_> an update messed up my mouse I think. it's detecting my mouse wheel click and middle mouse button as being the same thing. How can I fix this?
[04:53] <jdsbluedevl> hi, is anyone else here experiencing sound trouble with the alsa-base package?
[04:53] <savid> Jordan_U,  odd, because I'm seeing console output up until xplash..  I'll see if I can record it to show you what's happening
[04:53] <keith_> The reason this is annoyi
[04:53] <jdsbluedevl> it was fixed, then broken agin
[04:53] <jdsbluedevl> *again
[04:53] <savid> although I suppose I should run updates first?
[04:53] <keith_> The reason this is annoying is because my "middle" click is actually my right click
[04:54] <Jordan_U> savid: What is the output of "cat /proc/cmdline" ?
[04:54] <savid> Jordan_U,  BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-11-generic root=UUID=85f989a2-eb80-4596-8651-6c9e0ad7b589 ro quiet splash
[04:54] <thiebaude> keith_, did you check mouse preferences?
[04:54] <webbb82> it cant find NepomukAddOntologyClasses
[04:55] <savid> Jordan_U,  I do remember seeing a couple of odd-looking usb-related errors... not sure if that's why I was seeing console output
[04:56] <savid> thiebaude,  is there any reason why I shouldn't run update manager after I install beta?
[04:57] <thiebaude> savid, its always better for me to
[04:58] <keith_> thiebaude, I have , though I'm not sure what you're expecting me to find in there. It's seems like a driver issue to me.
[04:58] <jdsbluedevl> my problem is reported in bug 451900.  Has anyone looked into it yet?
[04:58] <thiebaude> keith_, ok
[04:59] <savid> Ok, when I run update manage it says "Not all updates can be installed "  and to "Run a partial upgrade".   Should I do the partial upgrade?
[04:59] <Jordan_U> savid: Yes
[04:59] <savid> k, thanks
[05:00] <keith_> thiebaude, I have a vertical mouse which is effectively a three button mouse, but the middle button is intended to be used for right clicking (how it used to be) then, all of the sudden the third button is the right click and the middle and wheel are mapping to the same thing
[05:01] <keith_> thiebaude, well... it's actually a 5 button mouse... but that's not completely relevant
[05:03] <muri_one> I
[05:04] <virtuald> It is relevant. X sees a mouse with a scroll wheel and two button as a 5 button mouse
[05:04] <muri_one> I've recently noticed that whenever I hit a key on my keyboard my mouse lags for a second and doesn't repond to any clicks or motion
[05:05] <Jordan_U> muri_one: Is it a touchpad?
[05:05] <muri_one> Jordan_U: yup
[05:05] <jdsbluedevl> hello, can anyone tell me if anyone is having trouble with the sound in Karmic?
[05:06] <Jordan_U> muri_one: At least the not responding to clicks is intentional, otherwise you will always accidentily tap to click with your wrist while typing
[05:07] <test34> My uspash.conf has: xres=1440, yres=900, but I still get the following error: usplash: Setting mode 1152x864 failed, usplash: setting mode 1024x768..
[05:07] <muri_one> Jordan_U: oh, how do I disable this feature? It's not so great when I am trying to use blender :)
[05:07] <test34> any idea how to fix it?
[05:09] <Jordan_U> muri_one: I don't have a laptop to check, is the option in System > Preferences > Mouse ?
[05:09] <muri_one> Jordan_U: yes sir, I just found it
[05:09] <muri_one> should have checked before asking
[05:09] <muri_one> Thank you
[05:09] <Jordan_U> muri_one: np
[05:09] <jdsbluedevl> is anyone here having problems with sound?  This has been really bugging me the past few days, with it being broken, then fixed, then broken again
[05:10] <thiebaude> jdsbluedevl, no problems here
[05:10] <jdsbluedevl> how is it that I'm having problems?
[05:10] <jdsbluedevl> what the hell is wrong with my alsa-base?
[05:11] <test34> jdsbluedevl, my sound is fine, which applications are your using that play sounds?
[05:11] <jdsbluedevl> test34: rhythmbox, mplayer, basically anything
[05:11] <jdsbluedevl> I don't even get the bongos at the login screen
[05:11] <jdsbluedevl> and alsamixer goes haywire
[05:11] <test34> jdsbluedevl, what sound card?
[05:12] <jdsbluedevl> test34: 'Live'/'SB Live! 5.1 (rev.8, serial:0x80641102) at 0xe800, irq 18'
[05:12] <Jordan_U> jdsbluedevl: Have you filed a bug report?
[05:12] <jdsbluedevl> yes, bug 451900
[05:14] <Jordan_U> jdsbluedevl: Does it only break / fix itself after updates?
[05:14] <jdsbluedevl> Jordan_U: only after the right update.  Rebooting doesn't fix the problem.  I am checking an old kernel right now, though, to see if it might be that, but I doubt it
[05:16] <Jordan_U> jdsbluedevl: If an old kernel does fix it try doing a git ( or bzr ) bisect and see if you can narrow it down to a single commit
[05:21] <jdsbluedevl> Jordan_U: well, whatever the subsequent updates have done to my sound, they've also prevented me from being able to book my previous kernels
[05:21] <jdsbluedevl> Jordan_U: only the most up-to-date kernel will boot
[05:21] <Jordan_U> jdsbluedevl: What happens with the ones that don't boot?
[05:21] <Jordan_U> jdsbluedevl: Any error message?
[05:22] <jdsbluedevl> well, the one left over I have from Jaunty now starts flickering on my screen, like the newer 386 kernels have been doing to me, and the 31-13 kernel I have just gets stuck on a blank screen after the splash
[05:27] <jdsbluedevl> Jordan_U: nvm, 31-13 was able to boot after a long time.  But either way, still no sound
[05:29] <jdsbluedevl> Jordan_U: so the problem isn't kernel-specific
[05:36] <Lapinux> I'm currently trying out 9.10 64 bit live cd on my latop and in system ->preferences ->network connections I'm trying to set up wireless security but the "apply" button is greyed out.  Has anyone else ran into this?
[05:38] <Lapinux> actually, it greyes out after i pick wpa & wpa2 personal
[05:53] <brijith> I cannot connect my mobile broadband after installing ubuntu9.10. it was working fine in ubuntu 9.04
[05:55] <brijith> heloo
[05:55] <brijith>  I cannot connect my mobile broadband after installing ubuntu9.10. it was working fine in ubuntu 9.04. Please help me ....
[06:03] <t0s> i just did a clean install on the beta, but i seem to be missing icons in the system menu
[06:03] <brijith>  I cannot connect my mobile broadband after installing ubuntu9.10. it was working fine in ubuntu 9.04
[06:03] <alteregoa> i got a vince clarke error in ubuntu
[06:04] <Ian_Corne> t0s: updated?
[06:04] <t0s> Ian_Corne, clean install
[06:04] <Ian_Corne> well, make sure to update, this is a work in progress...
[06:05] <t0s> im thinking some things didnt install completely, like in the themes manager when i click the "new wave" theme it says the "Human" icon theme isnt installed
[06:05] <t0s> ok
[06:05] <brijith> Ian_Corne:was that for me ...
[06:06] <t0s> ah
[06:06] <Ian_Corne> brijith: if you're not up to date, it might help too
[06:06] <t0s> one last thing, how do i remove the login screen? where i can boot straight into ubuntu without logging in with password
[06:06] <Ian_Corne> t0s: did you check the iso/CD for errors before installing?
[06:06] <brijith> Ian_Corne:ok thanks
[06:06] <kblin> brijith: what exactly is the problem, anyway? how are you trying to connect to the phone? does that part work?
[06:07] <t0s> Ian_Corne, nope i didnt
[06:07] <Ian_Corne> System->admin->login <indow t0s
[06:07] <t0s> but i can boot in the cd and check cant i?
[06:07] <brijith> kblin:actually I am using .. USB modem
[06:08] <kblin> ok, and you dial in how? using ppp? if so, check the ppp logs
[06:08] <brijith> kblin:in ubuntu9.04 when I plugged in my usb model something in tray started revolving ...
[06:08] <brijith> kblin:after that it said offline
[06:09] <kblin> ah, ok, I don't know a thing about gnome-network-manager, sorry
[06:09] <brijith> kblin:that time I set my user name and password by editing it
[06:10] <brijith> kblin:then It worked fine in ubuntu 9.04
[06:11] <kblin> brijith: as I said, no idea about gnome-network-manager
[06:11] <kblin> check the settings of that program
[06:12] <brijith> kblin:but when I do the same thing in newly installed ubuntu 9.10 it is not working
[06:13] <kblin> so I figured
[06:14] <kblin> again, check the application. I can't help you with that I'm afraid. I'm not even a Gnome user
[06:14] <brijith> kblin:Hope this will be solved when it actually release
[06:15] <ElijahCMenifee> wow all this time a mistyped password in /etc/ldap.secret (do not know the password, only have finger memory from years of use) that was keeping root from being able to validte users...
[06:15] <ElijahCMenifee> AHHA! have gotten ldap working in karmic for logins and autofs had to report bug in autofs-ldap wrong permissions on file kept autofs from connection to ldap
[06:15] <ElijahCMenifee> now the only problem is my home directory settings do not play nicely with my real home directory from my OpenSolaris ZFS->NFS export for Desktop and so fourth...
[06:15] <kblin> brijith: file a bug about it, to make sure?
[06:17] <brijith> kblin:I am new to all these stuff, can you tell me how to file a bug .??
[06:17] <ElijahCMenifee> !bug | brijith
[06:18] <redwood> hello, looking for advice on broadcom 4312 drivers for karmic
[06:18] <redwood> can't get it to work on a Dell Mini 10v
[06:19] <redwood> tried b43-fwcutter, but that obviously does not work for the 4312 card
[06:22] <redwood> hello anyone?
[06:26] <ElijahCMenifee> redwood, sorry not familar with that hardware, continue waiting and maybee someone else will know
[06:27] <redwood> it's the wifi card for the Dell Mini 10v. from what I've read, wifi should work natively with karmic, but I cannot make it work.
[06:28] <panfist> is the fglrx driver available in karmic?
[06:29] <panfist> the package is installed but i dont see the driver in the restricted driver admin gui
[06:29] <ElijahCMenifee> redwood, Assuming that it is not broken because of beta the wifi support should be much better but I would still look into NDIS wrapper stuff
[06:34] <RussellAlan> hey
[06:37] <ElijahCMenifee> !ubottu
[06:37] <RussellAlan> anyone have experience with ps3 and kubuntu?
[06:37] <ripps_> well, overall, not alot of people having difficulties this beta, I remember this channel being unbearably busy last release
[06:38] <RussellAlan> yup, not to many problems.
[06:38] <ElijahCMenifee> RussellAlan, yes but it was some time ago, gave up playing with it and wanted the space back for the gameos
[06:38] <RussellAlan> yeah definitely, ElijahCMenifee i think im going to try karmic on it.
[06:39] <redwood> trying NDIS wrapper now...
[06:39] <RussellAlan> one problem, i cant download and iso burners on my other laptop... somethings up with my cable, im getting 0.16mbs down and .44mbs up
[06:39] <ElijahCMenifee> Is there a powerpc build already? Have not looked recently, used to seem to lag behind x86 stuff...
[06:40] <RussellAlan> yes, i saw it on a forum.
[06:40] <RussellAlan> downloaded it
[06:40] <RussellAlan> now just need to either hack magic iso or fix my router
[06:40] <RussellAlan> oh ait, here it goes! 20kbs ! w00t lol lame
[06:40] <ElijahCMenifee> can you not local copy it to the machine with the cd-burner?
[06:41] <RussellAlan> im trying to burn the cd with my laptop that has a cd burner but, no iso burner
[06:41] <RussellAlan> magiciso is only 300mb or less on trial
[06:42] <ElijahCMenifee> !info cdrskin | RussellAlan
[06:43] <RussellAlan> its a windows machine.
[06:43] <RussellAlan> my kubuntu laptop has no cd writer and i cant find power chord to external writer lol
[06:43] <RussellAlan> maybe i should call the cable company.
[06:44] <ElijahCMenifee> !dualboot
[06:44] <RussellAlan> ys, i know how to dual boot, although its not my laptop, dont want to take it over to the light side
[06:45] <ElijahCMenifee> swap hardrives?
[06:45] <RussellAlan> lol,
[06:45] <RussellAlan> overkill
[06:45] <RussellAlan> and im all about overkill
[06:46] <ElijahCMenifee> usb pen of DSL with cdrecord ?
[06:46] <RussellAlan> just wanna put karmic on ps3 lol, did you ever do any emulation on it?
[06:47] <ElijahCMenifee> No, i was playing with HPC on the cell. but then nvidia released cuda so I took back the space for my gameos
[06:47] <RussellAlan> >
[06:47] <RussellAlan> ?
[06:49] <ElijahCMenifee> HPC=High Performance Computing, PS3 cell is a realtivly cheap way to play with vector kernel computing but NVidia's cuda stuff ment I could do some similar stuff on my 8800.
[06:49] <RussellAlan> ahh gotcha
[06:49] <RussellAlan> yeah i got the hpc part but didnt understand your realavence to nvidia
[06:52] <ElijahCMenifee> The nvidia option made more since(never finished the project) because we also have nvidia at work and was working on some image recognition stuff (also has word kernel in it for culling but in no way related to OS or a HPC kernel run) to speed up some OCR stuff.
[06:53] <psypher246> hi all, pls help. i have several issues with karmic on my dell mini 9. nr 1. turned on autologin and now i cannot get back in. is there a way to turn it off via console?
[06:55] <ElijahCMenifee> psypher246, try editing /etc/gdm/custom.conf and set AutomaticLoginEnabled to false
[06:56] <psypher246> would the reason i wasn;t able to get back in be due to the encrypted home directory? ie no autologin with encrypted home?
[06:57] <ElijahCMenifee> psypher246, That would be a good guess, however I have not fooled around with encrypted home and do not know how it undecrypts it.
[06:58] <psypher246> cool, another thing, i keep getting weird, my hard drive is failing, errors on boot? only 6 mnths old dell mini with 4GB
[06:59] <ElijahCMenifee> psypher246, are they actual hard drive errors or just filesystem errors?
[07:00] <psypher246> seems to be actula hard drive erroers, says that my drive is being used outside of it's design parameters. looked it up, found something about it being installed on a 4GB drive, but worried, got those errors even b4 installing
[07:02] <ElijahCMenifee> !info gsmartcontrol | psypher246
[07:02] <ElijahCMenifee> what does the HD S.M.A.R.T. info list?
[07:03] <redwood> blech, I'm just going to try a full reinstall of karmic, see if it works then
[07:03] <redwood> if not, I can wait two weeks
[07:03] <ElijahCMenifee> redwood, good luck
[07:09] <t0s> i just did a clean install on 9.10 beta, when grub starts it shows grub 1.97 beta 4, is this correct?
[07:11] <ElijahCMenifee> t0s, yes that is grub2 pre-release
[07:11] <tgpraveen> !info wvdial
[07:12] <Etu> Geh, I got a bug.
[07:12] <t0s> ok
[07:13] <Etu> qtruby is briken
[07:13] <Etu> broken*
[07:13] <ElijahCMenifee> thats ruby for you...
[07:14] <t0s> also i did all the updates and all and i still seem to be missing icons in the menus, there isnt a icon beside search and recent documents in Places and in System the first 2 and the About etc is missing icon beside them
[07:14] <Etu> broken*my ruby works, but not the qt bindings
[07:14] <Etu> geh, bad keyboard
[07:16] <ElijahCMenifee> Etu, sorry was just getting a dig in about ruby it is broken regardless of if it is actually working... ;-)
[07:17] <Etu> ElijahCMenifee: stfu, I realy like ruby :)
[07:18] <psypher2461> ElijahCMenifee: where exactly is that?
[07:20] <ElijahCMenifee> psypher246, type `sudo apt-get install gsmartcontrol` and after it is installed type `gksu gsmartcontrol`
[07:21]  * ElijahCMenifee is away: I'm busy
[07:27] <xenon_> how to turn off ipv6?
[07:28] <alteregoa> are you afraid?
[07:28] <alteregoa> i am LANDRU
[07:29] <xenon_> how to disable ipv6??
[07:30] <alteregoa> go to modprobe.conf
[07:30] <alteregoa> and add alias net-pf-10 off
[07:30] <alteregoa> ah debian its /etc/modprobe.d/aliases
[07:31] <alteregoa> find the line alias net-pf10 ipv6 and replace to alias net-pf-10 off
[07:31] <alteregoa> and add alias ipv6 off
[07:31] <redwood> for whatever reason, reinstalling karmic completely fixed whatever was making the pre-installed wifi driver fail
[07:31] <xenon_> there is no file aliases.
[07:31] <redwood> so now I've got wifi, hooray!
[07:31] <xenon_> should i create it?
[07:32] <alteregoa> you can go to /etc/modprobe/blacklist
[07:32] <alteregoa> and add a line
[07:32] <alteregoa> blacklist ipv6
[07:32]  * ElijahCMenifee is back (gone 00:11:29)
[07:32] <alteregoa> several ways directs to rome
[07:33] <xenon_> got it. thanks
[07:33] <alteregoa> yeah remember in two years to enable it back
[07:33] <alteregoa> because in 700 days there are no more ipv4 adresses available
[07:34] <xenon_> i wud reinstalled so many times by then
[07:34] <alteregoa> i install for 5 years
[07:34] <alteregoa> then i buy new HW
[07:35] <xenon_> i format every 2-3 months
[07:35] <alteregoa> for what kind of reason?
[07:35] <xenon_> was on windows before
[07:36] <alteregoa> well my longest install was OS/2 with 10 years
[07:36] <xenon_> !!
[07:36] <alteregoa> on a ham radio related machine
[07:36] <alteregoa> i was running some DOS apps on those machine, and multitasking didnt work fascinating with windows 9x
[07:37] <alteregoa> well good luck
[07:37] <xenon_> try windows 7
[07:38] <gsevil> How can i disable the splash screen while loading in ubuntu 9.10, I want it to show the text
[07:38] <ElijahCMenifee> xenon_, watch your language this is a linux channel ;-)
[07:39] <serzholino> Hi! Is it known bug that bluetooth in karmic is completely broken?
[07:40] <serzholino> At least using USB dongle
[07:40] <xenon_> is linux channel offended by just taking the name of windows 7
[07:41] <serzholino> see my bug here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/453885
[07:42] <ElijahCMenifee> gsevil, try removing the quite splash values from the linux line before booting
[07:42] <serzholino> in short adapter is detected ok, but doesn't function
[07:42] <redwood> alright folks, goodnight- looking forward to the 29th!
[07:42] <serzholino> but it works in jaunty and WinXP
[07:46] <gsevil>  ElijahCMenifee: I've done that, I want to remove the new Karmic boot screen, which has a light run from left to right
[07:47] <topyli> how do you safely "overclock" an eeepc 701 to 900MHz on karmic? none of the scripts and hacks i know are updated for karmic yet
[07:48] <alteregoa> overclock?
[07:48] <ElijahCMenifee> gsevil, not sure yet looking at the grub and splash info now to get more details
[07:48] <topyli> i'm using eee-acpi-scripts right now, but they are not (nor will be) updated for karmic, and my system sometimes locks up when changing the fsb speed
[07:48] <topyli> alteregoa, more like un-downlclock :)
[07:48] <alteregoa> increase the voltage
[07:49] <topyli> the eeepc is downclocked to 630MHz by default
[07:49] <Ian_Corne> err
[07:49] <alteregoa> for a double of clock you need 4x more voltage
[07:49] <Ian_Corne> topyli: what eeepc do you have?
[07:49] <topyli> alteregoa, no. the trick is to safely change the fsb from 70 to 100
[07:49] <topyli> Ian_Corne, 701
[07:49] <alteregoa> or something
[07:50] <Ian_Corne> I don't have any problems without those acpi scripts got a 1000H
[07:50] <topyli> congratulations
[07:50] <redwood> oooone more question: which download should I use to install skype on karmic?
[07:50] <topyli> Ian_Corne, that's because it's not underclocked to begin with
[07:50] <alteregoa> redwood: ubuntu 9.04 works
[07:50] <Ian_Corne> yeah
[07:50] <alteregoa> the debian packet of 9.04
[07:50] <Ian_Corne> ok
[07:51] <alteregoa> or ubuntu, whatever its almost the same
[07:52] <ElijahCMenifee> gsevil, what happens if instead of removing 'silent splash' you change it to 'nosplash'?
[07:52] <psypher2461> ElijahCMenifee: i did that already, what i mean is where exactly in that app is what you are looking for, smart basic test says disk is fine
[07:53] <gsevil> ElijahCMenifee: i'll try , thanks for helping
[07:54] <ElijahCMenifee> psypher2461, when gsmartctl is running does it list your drive?
[07:54] <topyli> rephrasing: how do you change the fsb speed? i don't need a set of scripts, just this one command really
[07:54] <psypher2461> ElijahCMenifee: yes
[07:55] <Taroven1> Got an evil script issue if anyone can help out... I'm trying to set a script up to spawn 6 terminals at startup. When I run the script manually it works fine, but if it's run at startup only one terminal starts at all. (not necessarily 9.10 specific, but the main ubuntu channel is hard to get help in)
[07:55] <psypher2461> overal health self-assessment test: passes
[07:55] <ElijahCMenifee> psypher2461, when you double-click on the drive  waht do the error log tabs say, and do anything in the attributes show up as red
[07:55] <psypher2461> device does not support error logging
[07:56] <psypher2461> error smart error log read failed
[07:56] <psypher2461> all errors bout not being able to read logs
[07:57] <ElijahCMenifee> psypher2461, ugh i was hoping it might contain info on what was causing that error message to show up :( did you check the Attributes tab for any pink/red lines?
[07:57] <Ian_Corne> topyli: have you check the bios?
[07:57] <psypher2461> no data available :(
[07:58] <psypher2461> mustn't i 1st turn smart on in the bios?
[07:58] <ElijahCMenifee> psypher2461, is it an actual harddrive or an SDD drive?
[07:58] <psypher2461> SSD
[07:58] <Ian_Corne> checked*
[07:58] <topyli> Ian_Corne, i know it doesn't support it. it has to be done in software. also, i don't want to run at higher speed all the time, only when i need a very high resolution for my external monitor (i don't care about processor speed, i'm upping the fsb for the video chip"
[07:58] <ElijahCMenifee> psypher2461, ah that might be the problem then, if you have been heavily writing/erasing it or files on it it could be an SDD wear level warning
[07:59] <psypher2461> but surely the lifespan is longer that 6 months, haven't even done that much read writte
[07:59] <psypher2461> how can i be sure?
[08:00] <psypher2461> i don;t think an fsch is comprehensive enough
[08:00] <psypher2461> fschk*
[08:01] <ElijahCMenifee> depending on the manufacturer there may be some special programs/leveling areas that monitor the erase cycle usage but other then that not sure.
[08:01] <u-foka> hy there!
[08:02] <u-foka> now I'm switched to karmic on my everyday used pc to test it more deeply :) and I fond that udev somehow wont work :(
[08:04] <u-foka> I mean I can't change my wlan card from eth1 to wlan0 editing the /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules file, because after restart I got a new line with the same card again as eth1 (wlan0 line still exists but seems ignored)
[08:04] <EruditeHermit> hi, can anyone on karmic check to see if they have the dmraid package installed?
[08:05] <EruditeHermit> can I safely remove the dmraid package?
[08:05] <u-foka> Another strange thing is that I installed usb_modeswitch to switch my huawei e1750 modem into data mode, and it's udev rule (/etc/udev/rules.d/usb_modeswitch.rule) does nothing :(
[08:05] <u-foka> any ideas?
[08:09] <Guest34396> has anyone else has issues with the latest udev update?
[08:11] <u-foka> Guest34396, I don't know if it's related to the last update, but i have strange problems with udev :S
[08:11] <u-foka> I've installed from a daily build from oct 15 (and now up2date)
[08:12] <Guest34396> when i try to boot the latest kernel udev throws a couple of erroes, then the kernel can't find /dev/ram
[08:13] <u-foka> Guest34396, and won't boot at all?
[08:16] <aporetic> hey guys, i appear to be having some issues with my fresh 9.10 install -- trying to switch icon themes in gnome (to 'iris', as it happens) with no effect
[08:17] <steve__> I'm having a brain fart here.  What is the command that shows the results from all of your devices?  I'm blocking on mdist, but that ain't it.
[08:17] <Guest34396> right, it drips to busybox
[08:18] <aporetic> steve__: lspci?
[08:18] <pradeep> can i upgrade to karmic now..can't wait??
[08:20] <u-foka> pradeep, update-manager -cd
[08:20] <u-foka> ;)
[08:20] <u-foka> god luck
[08:20] <wekt> what is a nice graphical software for viewing Man pages?
[08:20] <wekt> besides konqueror
[08:20] <pradeep> u-foka: wat?? does that mean
[08:21] <pradeep> wekt:tkman
[08:21] <EruditeHermit> hey, has anyone profiled their boot with bootchart?
[08:21] <wekt> eeek!  it's a tk app!
[08:21] <pradeep> wekt: why u need graphical interface
[08:21] <wekt> scroll bar, nicer font handling.
[08:21] <gsevil> I add nosplash to grub, but it still shows the splash after I enter password to login, is that usplash ?
[08:22] <u-foka> pradeep, you can enter that command "update-manager -cd" into the run dialog (alt+f2) to upgrade from jaunty
[08:22] <u-foka> gsevil, that is xsplash ;)
[08:22] <pradeep> u-foka: is it bug free now
[08:22] <gsevil> how can I disable it?
[08:22] <wekt> pradeep: viewing man pages is something i do often, so i like to have it be as comfortable as possible
[08:22] <pradeep> wekt: tkman then
[08:22] <u-foka> pradeep, we all having strange troubes :(
[08:23] <pradeep> u-foka: any serious bugs
[08:23] <u-foka> i have problems with both udev and devicekit :(
[08:24] <u-foka> if I connect my usb mouse after boot, it wont work
[08:24] <u-foka> but if it's connected at boot, I can put it in another usb port and it works after...
[08:24] <u-foka> strange
[08:24] <gsevil> u-foka:  how can I disable xsplash?
[08:25] <u-foka> another issue that udev somehow ignores the persistent net rules and an other rule that should switch my 3g modem too :S
[08:26] <u-foka> gsevil, sorry I can't help you with that, it's really new stuff and I don't know how it works
[08:27] <tgpraveen> !FTBFS
[08:28] <Ian_Corne> lol
[08:28] <EruditeHermit> how long does it take you guys to boot?
[08:28] <agent538> i dont know
[08:29] <u-foka> I feel karmic boots faster than jaunty
[08:29] <agent538> but i know, that spme programas dont work anymore, i no update  karmic maybe it helps a little
[08:30] <agent538> do people have the same problem her, some prog. of my dont start up anymore
[08:30] <tgpraveen> anyone else feels karmic boots faster than jaunty? most people seem to be getting slower boots
[08:31] <tgpraveen> agent538: give some egs. of the progs
[08:31] <agent538> ?
[08:31] <agent538> ega
[08:31] <agent538> egs
[08:31] <EruditeHermit> tgpraveen, do you have a bootchart?
[08:31] <EruditeHermit> it boots slower for me
[08:31] <EruditeHermit> by a minute
[08:31] <u-foka> i will measure it next boot
[08:32] <tgpraveen> agent538: examples
[08:32] <agent538> for me its important that everything works
[08:32] <agent538> tgp i'm now updating
[08:33] <agent538> i shall give you de info if i start again oke.
[08:33] <gsevil> a few week ago, I partially upgraded to karmic, but today, I fully upgraded, it load so slow, especially after enter password, really hate the slow xsplash
[08:33] <agent538> i must reboot
[08:34] <u-foka> will be back!
[08:35] <cousin_mario> hello
[08:35] <cousin_mario> how do you get the session buttons in the system menu instead of a separate applet?
[08:37] <gsevil> how can I save my authentication for some root activities, like mount ntfs partition, I don't remember disabling what, but it asks me everytime
[08:39] <agent538> tgpraveen,  if i start gpar2 and i push the todo button it dispears
[08:40] <agent538> cheese cant not find my webcame anymore
[08:40] <agent538> it say no webcame
[08:41] <agent538> but two days ago i did use my webcame
[08:41] <ElijahCMenifee> gsevil, Are you talking about the splash inbetween the GDM login screen and your desktop screen?
[08:53] <gsevil> how can I disable an upstart service ?
[08:53] <gsevil> like apparmor?
[09:00] <Taroven1> Anyone tried compiling Grumbel's xboxdrv under 9.10? I'm getting a build error.
[09:14] <CPrgmSwR2> I have to say the wireless drivers have gotton a lot better
[09:15] <ElijahCMenifee> anyone know about support NFSv4?
[09:16] <KruyKaze> hi guys
[09:19] <PlainFlavored> so i'm sure you guys are aware of the bad sector bug in Palimpsest
[09:19] <PlainFlavored> should i still be concerned about my drive?
[09:32] <topyli> PlainFlavored, yes. you should always assume all your hard drives will fail soon
[09:32] <topyli> because sooner or later, they will :)
[09:45] <jarnos> Suspend to RAM does not work or gives errors even if it worked in Jaunty. What is going on?
[09:50] <tgpraveen> !info pulseaudio
[09:55] <|eagles0513875|> !topic | jarnos
[09:56] <|eagles0513875|> jarnos: be aware you are using beta software
[10:01] <silver-bullet> Sorry for the noob question, but how do I check if a bug I want to report has already been filed?
[10:03] <silver-bullet> it's about video playback colours looking 'inverted' for want of a better word.
[10:04] <tgpraveen> silver-bullet: go to launchpad.net
[10:04] <tgpraveen> in that select ubuntu then go to bugs
[10:04] <tgpraveen> then search there
[10:04] <tgpraveen> btw I think I saw that issue being discussed long ago
[10:05] <tgpraveen> I thouhg it would have been fixed by now
[10:05] <silver-bullet> tgpraveen: Thanks, I thought it would be fixed by now too :(
[10:06] <PlainFlavored> !info palimpsest
[10:06] <|eagles0513875|> !palimpsest
[10:07] <LSD|Ninja> !anything
[10:07] <LSD|Ninja> heh
[10:07] <|eagles0513875|> hhahaha LSD|Ninja
[10:11] <LSD|Ninja> Anyway, where should I be looking for issues related to NetBIOS name resolution?
[10:11] <cousin_mario> do I have to close session from an applet?
[10:11] <tgpraveen> !info gnome-disk-utility
[10:11] <cousin_mario> LSD|Ninja: possibly firewall?
[10:11] <tgpraveen> eagles0513875: ^^ :-)\
[10:12] <|ns|nR8> LSD|Ninja, whats the prob
[10:13] <LSD|Ninja> |ns|nR8: It doesn't work :P Seriously though, Nautilus won't browse the Windows network because it claims it can't find the share list or something and trying to list the server using smbclient gives me "NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME" using the NetBIOS name, but works fine with the IP address
[10:15] <LSD|Ninja> I can probably fix it with a /etc/hosts kludge, but I'd rather know what the actual problem is as it worked a few days ago
[10:15] <rwat> is it just me or has sound configuration taken a step back on karmic?
[10:16] <rwat> trying to get sound going in a sensible manner to my usb audio device is much harder than it was in jaunty
[10:16] <LSD|Ninja> administration tools have been disappearing since at least Hardy
[10:17] <rwat> it seems that I'm back to the idea of having only one sound source at a time
[10:17] <rwat> which is so last century
[10:18] <mortal> will karmic get 2.6.32?
[10:18] <rwat> I don't understand this "let's remove all the console tools" approach. If it continues I'll be off back to debian.
[10:19] <exalt> eventually maybe
[10:19] <exalt> you can do it yourselve :)
[10:21] <rwat> I seem to have managed to set my usb sound card as the default - anyone know I get multiple things to play to it at the same time?
[10:22] <rwat> BBC iPlayer doesn't seem to want to talk to it at all :/
[10:23] <silver-bullet> tgpraveen: Thanks for the help with video colours earlier - fixed now - just needed to adjust the hue settings - D'oh!
[10:24] <tgpraveen> silver-bullet: hehe gr8
[10:29] <jarnos> |eagles0513875|, yeah I am. I am just tired of reporting about bugs caused by people fixing something that was not broken.
[10:30] <|eagles0513875|> jarnos: :( wish i could help you in regards to your issue but im not to versed in bugs and certain programming languages
[10:31] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[10:36] <|eagles0513875|> yo ActionParsnip
[10:37] <ActionParsnip> is there a way I can take a single service out of the shutdown script but leave it in the startup?
[10:38] <exalt> how stable is ubuntu karmic nowadays?
[10:38] <|ns|nR8> wait 4 days for the rc
[10:38] <|ns|nR8> thats what im doing
[10:38] <|ns|nR8> had enough of it breaking
[10:39] <ActionParsnip> exalt: worked fine here since alpha2
[10:39] <exalt> ActionParsnip: what kind of laptop?
[10:40] <ActionParsnip> exalt: its a desktop, asus p1-ah2 pundit
[10:40] <ActionParsnip> exalt: with 100% compatile wifi pci card
[10:40] <exalt> okj ty
[10:40] <ActionParsnip> exalt: why did you assume it was a laptop?
[10:41] <exalt> ActionParsnip: i hoped it was, because im willing to install ubuntu on a friends laptop
[10:41] <ActionParsnip> exalt: if you'd asked it would have een  better option
[10:41] <ActionParsnip> exalt: if you run it from liveCD or USB you can test to see how it will go
[10:41] <exalt> ActionParsnip:  yes probably
[10:42] <exalt> ActionParsnip: well thats not totaly true
[10:42] <|ns|nR8> running the updates has always caused me probs
[10:42] <ActionParsnip> exalt: course it is, you can install and setup drivers on the USB as if it were the internal drive
[10:43] <ActionParsnip> exalt: many do it, sure usb is painfully slow but you can investigate the hardware at least
[10:43] <ActionParsnip> exalt: and see if they actually like it too
[10:44] <ActionParsnip> exalt: whyis it not totally true?
[10:44] <exalt> dear ActionParsnip ive had so much times that a livecd works just fine
[10:44] <exalt> but the install wont
[10:44] <c4pt> hello
[10:45] <c4pt> is anyone having a problem with gunzip on koala with tar.gzś?
[10:45] <ActionParsnip> exalt: did you verify the ISO before burning? Did you run the CD self tester? Did yu burn the CD as slow as possible?
[10:45] <exalt> ActionParsnip: yes ofcourse
[10:45] <ActionParsnip> c4pt: tar zxvf <file.tar.gz>
[10:45] <ActionParsnip> exalt: not everyone checks them dude, i assume nothing
[10:46] <ActionParsnip> exalt: ok so at what point does the install fail?
[10:46] <c4pt> ActionParsnip: http://www.pastie.org/660355
[10:47] <ActionParsnip> c4pt: why are you root? Is the file ok?
[10:47] <c4pt> ActionParsnip: its pretty much doing this with any .tar.gz i download
[10:48] <ActionParsnip> c4pt: sudo apt-get --reinstall install bzip2 gzip
[10:48] <ActionParsnip> c4pt: have you tried not being root and doing it as a normal user like you are supposed to
[10:48] <c4pt> ActionParsnip: yes
[10:49] <c4pt> ActionParsnip: i just ran the sudo command you gave me to install and reinstall bzip2 and gzip same thing
[10:49] <Finnish> How to update to karmic via terminal, I'm on 8.10 at the moment
[10:49] <ActionParsnip> well it just reinstalled the commands
[10:49] <ActionParsnip> Finnish: sudo update-manager -d
[10:50] <ActionParsnip> c4pt: does it work as another user?
[10:50] <Finnish> pok
[10:50] <naresh> Finnish: do-release-upgrade -d
[10:50] <Finnish> Ok
[10:50] <c4pt> ActionParsnip: i exited in terminal back to my regular user
[10:51] <ActionParsnip> c4pt: if you make a fresh user is it ok there
[10:51] <ActionParsnip> !adduser
[10:53] <ActionParsnip> c4pt: if its bad in the new user,log a bug, if its good in the new user then its your profile
[10:54] <c4pt> ActionParsnip: tar zxvf didnt work in the newuser either
[10:54] <c4pt> ActionParsnip: are you running koala?
[10:55] <ActionParsnip> indeed
[10:55] <c4pt> ActionParsnip: does tar zvxf work for you with tar.gz?
[10:56] <ActionParsnip> yes and has done for all time
[10:56] <gsevil> how can I enable timidity in karmic?
[10:56] <c4pt> ActionParsnip: tell me a different tar.gz file to download that works for you
[10:56] <ActionParsnip> c4pt: i'd log a bug and write everything you have tried as well as the outcomes
[10:56] <ActionParsnip> c4pt: sure, sec
[10:56] <c4pt> ActionParsnip: so i can verify that it is at least working before i do a reinstall
[10:57] <coz_> gsevil, i am not sure  however did  you try the same guides for jaunty to see if that works?
[10:57] <ActionParsnip> c4pt: http://pkl.net/~node/software/alsa-patch-bay/alsa-patch-bay-0.5.2.tar.gz worked fine
[10:58] <c4pt> ActionParsnip: ok the file unzipped
[10:58] <c4pt> ActionParsnip: very strange
[10:58] <ActionParsnip> c4pt: then your file is orrupt and needs redownloading
[10:58] <c4pt> ActionParsnip: i got this file that i am trying to unzip from sourceforge.
[10:58] <ActionParsnip> or is misnamed
[10:59] <ActionParsnip> c4pt: does file <file name> say its a gzipped tar file?
[10:59] <c4pt> ActionParsnip: http://adzapper.sourceforge.net/adzap-20070317.tar.gz
[11:00] <ActionParsnip> 404
[11:00] <c4pt> ActionParsnip: http://adzapper.sourceforge.net/
[11:00] <c4pt> ok ill be back
[11:00] <c4pt> ActionParsnip: thanx for your help
[11:01] <ActionParsnip> c4pt: i get the same error as you trying to extract the file
[11:01] <ActionParsnip> c4pt: mmm
[11:02] <ActionParsnip> c4pt: its a tar
[11:03] <ActionParsnip> \c4pthe retards called it a tar.gz when its not
[11:03] <c4pt> ActionParsnip: oh o
[11:03] <ActionParsnip> you should email them to laugh and point
[11:03] <c4pt> ActionParsnip: oh ok
[11:03] <ActionParsnip> tar xvf ./adzap-20090301.tar.gz
[11:04] <ActionParsnip> !ifo adzap
[11:05] <ActionParsnip> c4pt: better?
[11:06] <c4pt> ActionParsnip: just going to use squid and adzapper from apt-get....
[11:11] <hetauma> is any1 having troubles installing addons on firefox? it takes ages and then it gives a downloading error
[11:24] <ActionParsnip> hetauma: can you give the output of: ls -la ~/.mozilla
[11:25] <ActionParsnip> hetauma: use http://pastebin.org
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> hetauma: http://pastebin.com/ sorry
[11:27] <hetauma> http://paste.ubuntu.com/296734/
[11:27] <hetauma> and firfox gives a download error -228
[11:28] <hetauma> it takes about 3mins to "start" the download and another 5 to give the error
[11:28] <hetauma> I thought that it might be a problem with firefox servers but other people can install addons without any problem
[11:29] <coz_> hetauma,  are you trying to update firefox other than via the repositories?
[11:29] <ActionParsnip> hetauma: ok well that looks good
[11:29] <hetauma> coz_, nope
[11:30] <ActionParsnip> have you tried closing all firefoxes and renaming ~/.mozilla   to see if its better
[11:30] <hetauma> ActionParsnip, so firefox will make a new profile?
[11:30] <coz_> it should
[11:30] <hetauma> gimme a sec to do that
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> hetauma: yeah, worth a try, you can rename back too so you have a rollback path
[11:32] <hetauma> http://paste.ubuntu.com/296742/ that's the error it gives
[11:35] <hetauma> ActionParsnip, same thing after making new profile
[11:37] <ActionParsnip> hetauma: are you using download helper?
[11:37] <hetauma> ActionParsnip, no addon installed at all
[11:38] <hetauma> except from those that were installed with ubuntu
[11:39] <coz_> hetauma,  ok I just tried that plugi here  and it did install   ?
[11:40] <coz_> hetauma,   out of curiosity   have you done  sudo apt-get update  and then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade   ?
[11:40] <hetauma> system is uptodate an 9.10 was a clean install
[11:40] <coz_> hetauma,   mmm
[11:41] <coz_> hetauma,  have you already gone into synaptic and try a reinstallation of firefox ?
[11:41] <hetauma> coz_, nope will do that now
[11:42] <ActionParsnip> hetauma: what version of ffox do you have installed?
[11:42] <hetauma> 3.5.3
[11:42] <coz_> hetauma,  hit the search button  type in firefox   and reinstall all of the pacakges listed there
[11:42] <ActionParsnip> k
[11:42] <vistakiller1> with the last update akregator crash every time that read feeds
[11:42] <vistakiller1> with that error
[11:42] <vistakiller1> file retriever error: 114
[11:42] <vistakiller1> any idea?
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> vistakiller1: try removing it, then putting it back in (use --purge too)
[11:44] <vistakiller1> i try to reinstall it
[11:44] <vistakiller1> what about the feeds?
[11:44] <vistakiller1> i have to take a backup?
[11:45] <hetauma> coz_, reinstalled no luck, then made a complete removal and new installation and still the same problem
[11:45] <coz_> hetauma,   damn something is seriously wrong with that install then
[11:46] <hetauma> I'm searching launchpad to find something about that
[11:46] <coz_> hetauma,   did you check the cd either with the live cd check or the md5sums after downloading the ISO image
[11:46] <vistakiller1> it seems it work now
[11:46] <vistakiller1> i remove it with purge and now it works :P
[11:46] <vistakiller1> strange..
[11:47] <hetauma> coz_,  yes
[11:47] <coz_> hetauma,  then I am puzzled
[11:47] <ActionParsnip> vistakiller1: mustve updated bad, or the settings for the old version were broking the new
[11:47] <vistakiller1> maybe
[11:48] <coz_> that sounds reasonable :)
[11:48] <zniavre> !grub2
[11:48] <coz_> vistakiller1,  one way to test that next time is to delete the .conf file for the application    and restart it
[11:49] <vistakiller1> ok
[11:49] <vistakiller1> anyone else use kubuntu karmic?
[11:49] <ActionParsnip> i use lxde + karmic
[11:50] <vistakiller1> do you have the problem with the flash player buttons when you run kwin effect?
[11:50] <vistakiller1> or compiz
[11:50] <ActionParsnip> yeah compiz can kill clicks in flash
[11:50] <vistakiller1> and kwin the same
[11:50] <coz_> vistakiller1,  i am on karmic right now
[11:51] <coz_> but not kde
[11:51] <vistakiller1> and pulseaudio in kubuntu kill sound in flash :P
[11:51] <Andy80> hi all
[11:51] <vistakiller1> this flash have problems in linux
[11:51] <ActionParsnip> vistakiller1: runs perfect here with 64bit alpha
[11:52] <vistakiller1> in kubuntu i have problems first with sound and i have to remove pulseaudio
[11:52] <mcnesium> hey ive been running karmic since beta was released and it was working fine, then i ran the update manager, while the update the system crashed and after that my system looks like this: http://www.vimeo.com/7082657
[11:52] <Andy80> sometimes karmic fails to detect my sound card, so I don't have any audio and I don't see anything in Sound Preferences --> Hardware, applet... how can I fix this? What package is involved, so I can submit a properly bug? thanks
[11:52] <vistakiller1> and now with the buttons
[11:53] <vistakiller1> Andy80 try to remove pulseaudio
[11:53] <coz_> mcnesium,  are you saying the screen has dimmed?
[11:54] <mcnesium> coz_: no wait and see, the screen output starts blinking
[11:54] <ActionParsnip> vistakiller1: is your ubuntu 64bit?
[11:54] <mcnesium> and i cant enter the password
[11:54] <vistakiller1> yes kubuntu 64bit
[11:54] <mcnesium> cause it actually takes the keys pressed only once in a while
[11:54] <ActionParsnip> vistakiller1: have you tried the alpha  flash plugin?
[11:54] <Andy80> vistakiller1: do you think it's a reasonable solution?!
[11:54] <coz_> mcnesium,  did you by chance hear a loud pop when it crashed?
[11:55] <vistakiller1> i dont know Andy80 but pulse have still many problems
[11:55] <vistakiller1> ActionParnship no i have 32 flash with libs
[11:55] <coz_> mcnesium,    I see ...that looks really bad.... can you hit   ctrl+alt+F1
[11:55] <coz_> mcnesium,  can you get into  text console?
[11:56] <ActionParsnip> vistakiller1: http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/libflashplayer-10.0.32.18.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz   extract the .so   to your browsers plugin folder (remove the flash packages first)
[11:56] <bernardo> hello
[11:56] <coz_> bernardo,  hey guy
[11:56] <ActionParsnip> vistakiller1: i always put it in ~/.mozilla/plugins
[11:56] <vistakiller1> ok
[11:56] <mcnesium> coz_: this is the text console
[11:56] <coz_> mcnesium,  well if I were in that position I would just simply reinstall
[11:57] <bernardo> firefox only opens here with sudo privileges, any idea why? from the shortcut it just dies after a time, without opening
[11:57] <mcnesium> coz_: i am wondering if i should report this as a bug
[11:57] <coz_> mcnesium,   apparenlty the crash happened  when important updates were needed
[11:57] <coz_> mcnesium,  i dont think this is a bug    .... do you know why it crashed?
[11:58] <mcnesium> no, i wasn paying attention, and obviously i cannot read the logfiles
[11:58] <coz_> mcnesium,   from what you say the crash happened while doing an update correct?
[11:58] <mcnesium> coz_: thats right
[11:59] <coz_> mcnesium,  then ... unless a vital piece of hardware   ie the video card  has gone bad  and caused a crash...whatever made this crash also prevented needed libraries to be installed for a proper boot
[12:00] <coz_> mcnesium,   anything important on that install that you need to back up?
[12:00] <coz_> mcnesium,  i would put in the live cd  to see if it does boot normally...that might be a quickk way to tell if it is hardware
[12:00] <mcnesium> coz_: no its no productive system, i might as well leave it for now and wait for the final release of karmic
[12:00] <bernardo> hi guys, firefox only works here if I do sudo firefox, else it goes startinhg firefox for 15s and then nothing happens
[12:01] <coz_> mcnesium,  check it with the live cd to see if it boots normally
[12:01] <mcnesium> coz_: as is said i was wondering if this has happened before somewhere and reporting a bug might help
[12:01] <coz_> mcnesium,   at this point it doesnt sound like a bug  ...but   which video card are you running on that system?
[12:02] <mcnesium> coz_: a pretty old one i think something like geforce mx 200 or so
[12:02] <mcnesium> but it did work out with compiz fusion effects \o/
[12:03] <wekt> how do you prevent Koala or Gnome from automatically mounting media?
[12:03] <coz_> mcnesium,  ok   thats old but it should work... as I said my first concern would be hardware   and I would    first run the live cd to see if it boots normally...if not  ..then I shutdown  and open the system and pull the video card to see if any of the capacitor have popped
[12:03] <coz_> mcnesium,   the live cd would be a goog troubleshooting start
[12:03] <coz_> good not goog
[12:04] <wekt> I found out where to turn of application launching, but that seems not to be sufficient
[12:04] <wekt> The nautilus settings i have changed already.
[12:04] <ActionParsnip> ok y'all if i have an ati card and hal is using the wrong driver, how can I tell it to use something else if their is no xorg.conf file??
[12:04] <mcnesium> alright i will check that tonight, thx for now coz_
[12:04] <coz_> mcnesium,  I am interested in finding out the outcome of the live cd trial
[12:04] <mcnesium> coz_: i'll come back in here
[12:05] <coz_> mcnesium,  cool :)
[12:05] <mcnesium> l8r
[12:05] <coz_> mcnesium,  if you dont find me here I will always be in #compiz and #cairo-dock
[12:05] <ActionParsnip> is there an option file for hal to use certain drivers for certain hardware
[12:06] <ActionParsnip> or am I doomed to find a virgin xorg.conf as there isnt one currently
[12:07] <ActionParsnip> its so crippled
[12:08] <wekt> ActionParsnip: there is a way to disable hal for xorg
[12:08] <wekt> ActionParsnip: would you like to do that?
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> but te file is still none-existant or blank
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> this is my point
[12:08] <wekt> i don't know how to configure hal.  it is going away anyhow
[12:09] <wekt> with the halsectomy
[12:09] <ActionParsnip> what if i have a funky mouse, hal doesnt pick it up riht and I have a nice config stored that I can use that makes it perfect
[12:09] <wekt> what is the problem using that config?
[12:10] <ActionParsnip> well there is no serverlayout or other biots that are useful to pull the server together
[12:10] <ActionParsnip> so the single parts do nothing, so users have to scour for efaul xorg.confs
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> when removing it is "supposed" to make things easier
[12:13] <wekt> that is not supposed to be so, but it might be.  evdev driver in xorg tends to do extra things.
[12:13] <wekt> well it is so.  The only remedy is to change the evdev driver in xorg or disable hal
[12:13] <wekt> disable hal in xorg.conf
[12:16] <ActionParsnip> the file just needs leaving in so it is an option
[12:27] <GutZuWiSSeN_>  i just updated to karmic .. and got a problem with pidgin: i cant receive messages. (but i can send them) .. any ideas?
[12:29] <wekt> firewall
[12:30] <ActionParsnip> bad pidgin profile maybe
[12:30] <shadeslayer> anyone know what the make status widget in kde does?
[12:37] <GutZuWiSSeN_> thx
[12:37] <GutZuWiSSeN_> its working again :)   ... removed the .purple folder and recreated the accs
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> good way i find
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> although renae gives you a rollback path
[12:41] <test34> GutZuWiSSeN_, tried empathy?
[12:41] <GutZuWiSSeN_> test34, yeah, but its not that good i think.
[12:42] <GutZuWiSSeN_> im missing especially a small feature: send msgs with ctrl  + enter  and enter = new line
[12:42] <GutZuWiSSeN_> in pidgin i can do that with a gtrkc file
[12:42] <test34> ok
[12:43] <test34> try shift+enter
[12:43] <test34> nevermind
[12:50] <hsarci> i just updated/upgraded my packages now when i click on a folder from "places" i get a "no applciatoin registered" error....any ideas?
[12:56] <CShadowRun> Has anyone noticed that ekiga has unusable sound quality in karmic?
[12:56] <CShadowRun> Like, for every 5 seconds of playback, you might have 1 second that's actually audible
[12:59] <debug1> Wonder if Ubuntu 9.10 will be able to support the Intel DP43TF MB.
[13:00]  * Dr_Willis wonders why this one machine always shows grub2 'entering rescue mode' and booting up to the normal desktop.
[13:00] <HoopyCat> debug1:  you can try the beta livecd and see how it goes
[13:00] <debug1> Already tried the beta ver and it didn't work well
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> its booting fine. Just no grub menu. and it always says entering rescue mode
[13:01] <debug1> Had to revert back to server ver w/gnome gui
[13:02] <junkY_San> hey, i'm using ubuntu nbr 9.10. i want to establish a pptp connection. but when i click on the setup connection nothing happens. /var/log/messages says nothing about pptp
[13:02] <AceKing> Anyone else having a problem with "Movie Player" having a purple tint after upgrading to 9.10? It almost looks like a negative.
[13:03] <CShadowRun> AceKing, yup, go to edit, preferences, display, reset to defaults
[13:03] <debug1> I have no problems w/movie player, but I am running server ver- for what it's worth.
[13:03] <CShadowRun> AceKing, (i bet you hue is not centered
[13:03] <CShadowRun> )
[13:04] <AceKing> CShadowRun: Thanks!! I've been asking for a week now!
[13:04] <gdm_die> hello. i just installed 9.10 , and i cannot get in X window. gdm dies and try to restart again and again. it shows no response to my operation. Er... where is the log ?
[13:04] <CShadowRun> AceKing, yw :)
[13:04] <CShadowRun> god alone knows why they have that setting, it causes nothing but grief
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> /var/log/Xorg.log.0
[13:04] <CShadowRun> if i wanna change the hue of a video, i'll open up a movie editor or something
[13:05] <debug1> CShadow, why not just change it on the monitor itself?
[13:05] <AceKing> CShadowRun: You ROCK!!! That was it! Thank you
[13:05] <CShadowRun> AceKing, yw :)
[13:05] <debug1> Cool
[13:06] <CShadowRun> had the same problem myself...twice
[13:06] <CShadowRun> such a stupid/pointless setting :P
[13:06] <AceKing> It was driving me nuts for a week
[13:06] <CShadowRun> hehe
[13:06] <gdm_die> ActionParsnip: usually it should be there the log. but i cannot find it anywhere.
[13:14] <debug1> time for work, chow.
[13:15] <Delvien> I cannot change the brightness on my LCD for an HP dv1000 laptop. through /etc/acpi I only see scripts for Asus and toshiba
[13:15] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. My dv2000 works. with teh keyboard buttons at least.
[13:16] <Delvien> the Fn buttons didnt work :(
[13:18] <hsarci> does rc.local run after resume?
[13:18] <Dr_Willis> hsarci:  i do not think it woule
[13:18] <Dr_Willis> rc.local is ran by one of the system services at boot time.
[13:18] <hsarci> where can i put a command that i want to run after resume?
[13:19] <Dr_Willis> There are some scripts ran after resume/suspend - i recall. but ive no idea what/where
[13:19] <Dr_Willis> I never use resume/suspend.  acttually Standby button worked on this pc.. but i dont know if thats 'hibernate' or 'suspend' or sleep, or whatever they call it now.
[13:22] <hsarci> hibernate and sleep are different
[13:22] <hsarci> hiberante stores a ram image to the hdd then turns off
[13:22] <hsarci> sleep just puts eveyrthing in super low power mode but machine still remains on
[13:22] <zniavre> hello/bonjour how to disable this applet please? >http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/2705/screenshot2ae.png
[13:28] <c4pt> trying to use twinview with nvidia settings
[13:28] <c4pt> when i set the second monitor with nvidia settings to 1024x768 it still goes out of sync to 1280x1024
[13:28] <c4pt> even though nvidia settings are set to 1024x768
[13:29] <ioka> hello guys
[13:30] <ioka> when I try ssh I'm asked first to accept dsa key.I do that then insted of asking me for a login I'm asked straight for a password.What password should I use?
[13:30] <ioka> It is not my account password
[13:31] <ioka> I tried it a couple of times.then it says Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive)
[13:32] <mzz> ioka: by default ssh uses your local account name as username on the remote system
[13:32] <ioka> oooo this is bad
[13:32] <mzz> ioka: if those names don't match do something like "ssh yourremotename@remotehost"
[13:33] <ioka> 10x
[13:33] <ioka> I'll try that.
[13:33] <Dr_Willis> !ssh
[13:34] <mzz> ioka: you can use ~/.ssh/config to save some typing: if you put "host remotehost", "hostname remotehost.org", "user remotename" in ~/.ssh/config you can then do "ssh remotehost" instead of "ssh remotename@remotehost.org"
[13:34] <Dr_Willis> use ssh-keygen and ssh-copy-id and you can have passwordless logins
[13:35] <mzz> hey, I didn't know about ssh-copy-id for some reason, I was doing that by hand
[13:35] <Dr_Willis> it pays to read ssh docs/books/guides :)
[13:36] <ioka> what does this sign mean before the forward slash ~/.ssh/ .It looks like a small wave
[13:37] <mzz> ioka: shorthand for /home/you (the shell expands it)
[13:37] <Dr_Willis> bash basics = thats a tilda = ~
[13:37] <Dr_Willis> ~ = /home/yourcurrentusername
[13:37] <Dr_Willis> ~bash
[13:37] <Dr_Willis> !bash
[13:37] <ioka> ok
[13:38] <ioka> there is no file config in the directory ~/.ssh Should I create it?
[13:38] <mzz> if you want that shorthand then yes
[13:38] <Dr_Willis> logically.. yes. :)
[13:38] <ioka> ok
[13:38] <Dr_Willis> theres lots of configs that dont exist by default
[13:39] <mzz> yeah, this is a general rule of sorts: for most apps no config file and an empty config file are equivalent (all defaults)
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> or you find the system config.. copuy it to the users dir/right name. then alter it.
[13:40] <mzz> it varies a little, but I think it being safe to create a (mostly) empty config if it didn't write one automatically is the more common case
[13:40] <hsarci> *sigh*
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> ie: --> cp   /etc/ssh/ssh_config  /home/username/.ssh/config
[13:42] <mzz> but you don't have to do that here, since I'm pretty sure it just reads both, with ~/.ssh/config winning if both files specify something
[13:42] <Dr_Willis> if you want one to look at :) for an example
[13:42] <mzz> that's true
[13:46] <ioka> 10x for the help.i need to read the manual pages :)
[13:48] <Dr_Willis> reading docs is good..
[13:51]  * gnomefreak tries to figure out -> read docs -> get mad -> try to figure out -> read docs...... until i get tired
[13:51] <Travis-42> everytime I restart I get a message about a kernel problem and a window to report it, when I click report, it tells me that it's not a genuine Ubuntu image. What might be going on?
[13:51] <Dr_Willis> Hmm..never seen that message befor.
[13:52] <Dr_Willis> check forums perhaps or bug reports?
[13:52] <mzz> Travis-42: so what kernel are you booting?
[13:52] <gnomefreak> Travis-42: did you build any options into kernel or get it somewhere else?
[13:52] <mzz> Travis-42: (check dmesg and/or uname -a)
[13:53] <BluesKaj> hey all
[13:53] <Travis-42> Linux travis-desktop 2.6.31-11-generic #38-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 2 11:06:40 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[13:53] <Travis-42> I didn't do anything custom to it
[13:53] <mzz> hmm, lemme see
[13:54] <Travis-42> I freshly installed ubuntu karmic beta when it came out, and have updated since
[13:54] <Dr_Willis> Linux blacky 2.6.31-14-generic #47-Ubuntu SMP Thu Oct 15 03:42:30 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[13:54] <Dr_Willis> the kernel ya got is a little old.
[13:54] <mzz> Travis-42: do you know the exact message (so I can grep for it)?
[13:54] <Dr_Willis> I would update. upgrade, dist-upgrade
[13:55] <Travis-42> ah, didn't realize I had to dist-upgrade as well
[13:55] <Travis-42> mzz: "The problem cannot be reported: This is not a genuine Ubuntu package"
[13:55] <Travis-42> with window title: "Problem in linux-image-2.6.3...."
[13:55] <mzz> Travis-42: also, can you pastebin the report?
[13:55] <Dr_Willis> without dist-upgrade kernels sometimes get held back
[13:56] <Travis-42> yea, Dr_Willis , it says that it is held back for me with upgrade
[13:56] <Travis-42> mzz, how do I get the report?
[13:56] <mzz> should be in /var/crash
[13:56] <mzz> but what Dr_Willis said might be it
[13:57] <Travis-42> maybe I should try that first
[13:58] <Dr_Willis> i always dist-upgrade also. :)
[13:58] <Dr_Willis> not sure why you wouldent want to.. i guess  for some stability reasons [erhaps.
[13:58] <Travis-42> I guess I thought dist-upgrade was only for actually switching between things like jaunty and karmic
[14:00] <Travis-42> but I see
[14:00] <Dr_Willis> you dont want to use dist-upgrade to change releases :)
[14:00] <Dr_Willis> it dont do that properly
[14:00] <Dr_Willis> From what i hear
[14:00] <Travis-42> yea, -1 to me for not reading the docs on it, I just assumed based on the name :-)
[14:01] <Dr_Willis> for debian it might..but ubuntu has specialized tools for that
[14:04] <aprilhare> hey
[14:04] <aprilhare> want to perform update - wants partial upgrade - part of which apparently requires rtkit to be removed. would this be bad?
[14:05] <bullgard> Where has the GNOME menu item System > Einstellungen > Sound > Sound Preferences > Devices > Audio Conferencing gone in Karmic?
[14:07] <aprilhare> ooooohhhh ic "  * debian/control: Add a Conflicts for rtkit so we force removal, and hence get more testing coverage between now and Karmic final"
[14:09] <kindofabuzz> is the add-apt-repository command not in 9.10 server?
[14:10] <mzz> does ubottu have something apt-file-ish?
[14:10] <mzz> kindofabuzz: apt-file search says it's in python-software-repositories
[14:10] <aprilhare> !info firefox
[14:10] <aprilhare> mzz: answer your question?
[14:10] <mzz> kindofabuzz: apt-file search says it's in python-software-properties, I meant
[14:10] <mzz> aprilhare: no
[14:10] <mzz> aprilhare: that's apt-cache, not apt-file
[14:10] <kindofabuzz> k
[14:10] <aprilhare> hmmmm
[14:11] <aprilhare> grrr firefox keeps on crashing all of a sudden
[14:11] <mzz> try without plugins, try without extensions if you have any binary ones, try to get a stack out
[14:11] <aprilhare> might be a plugin or it might be drop bear karmic yet again
[14:12] <aprilhare> problem is its crashing in gmail. and i'm not prepared to offer them a dump containing anything from gmail.
[14:12] <mzz> so get just the backtrace, with the argument values scrubbed if you think they're problematic
[14:13] <mzz> (not a full apport report)
[14:13] <aprilhare> i notice pdf plugins don't work
[14:13] <aprilhare> and the download functionality seems to be somewhat crippled
[14:13] <aprilhare> i.e. i can download stuff but i can't have it automatically opened in an app, or open the directory its in etc
[14:14] <aprilhare> firefox is a mess
[14:14] <oldude67> !nividia
[14:14] <aprilhare> !nvidia
[14:14] <oldude67> !info nividia
[14:14] <aprilhare> !info nvidia
[14:15] <Dr_Willis> !nvidia is the factoid
[14:15] <aprilhare> yay for factoids!
[14:15] <Dr_Willis>  info would show the package database description
[14:15] <saji> !nvdia
[14:15] <Dr_Willis> '!find' searches the database
[14:16] <aprilhare> you get the feeling some people have problems spelling nvidia? :)
[14:16] <Dr_Willis> !nv
[14:16] <Dr_Willis> :P
[14:16] <bullgard> Where has the GNOME menu item System > Preferences > Sound > Sound Preferences > Devices > Audio Conferencing gone in Karmic?
[14:17] <wild_oscar> regarding bluez, do you know what has replaced hidd to pair bluetooth devices?
[14:17] <wild_oscar> because hidd is in a package containing "deprecated programs"
[14:19] <Dr_Willis> gnome-bluetooth - GNOME Bluetooth tools
[14:19] <Dr_Willis> perhaps
[14:21] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. Huludesktop fo linux.. is jerky. :(
[14:21] <om26er> karmic rulzzz big time
[14:22] <wild_oscar> Dr_Willis: from the command line, that is
[14:23] <Dr_Willis> btscanner - ncurses-based scanner for Bluetooth devices
[14:23] <Dr_Willis> that may pull in any extras upi meeded
[14:28] <funkyHat> Any apparmor people around? is bug 454758 valid or should I just modify the profile to fit my requirements?
[14:29] <bullgard> Where has the GNOME menu item System > Preferences > Sound > Sound Preferences > Devices > Audio Conferencing gone in Karmic?
[14:29] <legend2440> anyone get Ubuntuone to work? i can't even upload a small jpg file without internal server error
[14:31] <Dr_Willis> it has issues
[14:32] <saji> Hey, My sound is not working, after upgrading to Karmic..
[14:32] <wild_oscar> Dr_Willis: cheers, I'll try it
[14:32] <saji> output of alsactl init is-
[14:32] <saji> Unknown hardware: "HDA-Intel" "Realtek ALC262" "HDA:10ec0262,17aa3837,00100002 HDA:10573055,10573055,00100700" "0x17aa" "0x384e"
[14:32] <saji> Hardware is initialized using a guess method
[14:32] <saji> /usr/share/alsa/init/default:51: control element not found
[14:32] <saji> /usr/share/alsa/init/default:52: missing closing brace for format
[14:32] <saji> /usr/share/alsa/init/default:52: error parsing CTL attribute
[14:32] <saji> /usr/share/alsa/init/default:52: invalid rule
[14:33] <Dr_Willis> hmm 8984 seeders for a file.. and ktorrent says its 'stalled' *sigh*
[14:33] <Dr_Willis> :)
[14:33] <Dr_Willis> There we go...
[14:34] <saji> !alsa
[14:34] <mzz> saji: file doesn't look obviously corrupt here, what's the sha1sum of the version you have?
[14:35] <saji> mzz, how do i find that?\
[14:35] <saji> mzz, version of what?
[14:35] <mzz> saji: sha1sum /usr/share/alsa/init/default
[14:36] <mzz> saji: should be a935...
[14:36] <mzz> (unless I missed an update)
[14:36] <saji> mzz, lemme see that....
[14:36] <saji> mzz, ya its a93520893a561cc2af956b0a16b0743f2f8ecc27
[14:37] <mzz> oh well, was worth checking
[14:37] <mzz> not sure what's up then
[14:37] <saji> mzz, how will i initiate or restart the sound device?
[14:38]  * mzz needs to stop doing this
[14:38]  * saji mzz don't stop helping me..
[14:38] <mzz> saji: I had one obvious thing I figured I'd checked. I don't know what your problem is.
[14:38] <mzz> I'd check, even
[14:39] <mzz> bleh, grammar
[14:39] <saji> mzz, ok... So no idea how to restart it...
[14:39] <saji> Hey... How'll restart on reinitialise my sound device?
[14:40] <mzz> but check if "alsactl init" is actually a thing you want to run
[14:40] <saji> mzz i had tried that..
[14:41]  * mzz rephrases
[14:41] <mzz> saji: your sound doesn't work, and apparently you're trying "alsactl init" in an attempt to fix this. Are you sure "alsactl init" will actually help with whatever problem you have?
[14:41] <mzz> "sound doesn't work" is more of a symptom, try to figure out what's actually broken
[14:41] <saji> Output of that is-
[14:41] <saji> Unknown hardware: "HDA-Intel" "Realtek ALC262" "HDA:10ec0262,17aa3837,00100002 HDA:10573055,10573055,00100700" "0x17aa" "0x384e"
[14:41] <saji> Hardware is initialized using a guess method
[14:41] <saji> /usr/share/alsa/init/default:51: control element not found
[14:41] <saji> /usr/share/alsa/init/default:52: missing closing brace for format
[14:41] <saji> /usr/share/alsa/init/default:52: error parsing CTL attribute
[14:41] <saji> /usr/share/alsa/init/default:52: invalid rule
[14:41] <mzz> may be pulse, volume levels, kernel drivers, ...
[14:42] <saji> how'll I find that out?
[14:42] <mzz> that SoundTroubleShooting link ubottu gave sounds promising, although I don't know if it's up to date for karmic
[14:42] <BluesKaj> !intelhda | saji
[14:43] <mzz> I haven't done any sound debugging recently, but just from what you said in here it sounds like "sound doesn't work, so I'm trying some random commands" :P
[14:43] <saji> mzz, that's true... I'm trying random commands related to sound..
[14:44] <DasEi> what happened to the partners repositories ?
[14:46] <Dr_Willis> They are not up yet?
[14:46] <Dr_Willis> waiting for release perhaps.
[14:46] <BluesKaj> DasEi, I still have them , maybe they're commented in your sources.list
[14:46] <DasEi> Dr_Willis: I couldn't find them in sources.list
[14:46] <Dr_Willis> Ive not noticed anything being in them..
[14:46] <Dr_Willis> I though i saw them in the comments
[14:47]  * DasEi waiting update, looking again
[14:47] <Dr_Willis> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from Canonical's
[14:47] <Dr_Willis> ## 'partner' repository.
[14:47] <DasEi> ^ is what I missed
[14:47] <Dr_Willis> deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu karmic partner
[14:47] <Dr_Willis> deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu karmic partner
[14:47] <DasEi> second, runnning...
[14:49] <Lugia010719d1> Hi.. Is there a release date announced for Kubuntu 9.10?
[14:49] <Dr_Willis> !release
[14:49] <Dr_Willis> When its done
[14:50] <thiebaude> Lugia010719d1, Oct 29
[14:51] <Lugia010719d1> thiebaude: ok thanks :) I tried to find info on release date on the internet but did not find anything specific
[14:51] <DasEi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/296858/  , alternate installer, right adding manually then, thanks for the sources above, Dr_Willis , BluesKaj
[14:51] <thiebaude> Lugia010719d1, np
[14:55]  * Crashbit reiniciando servidor
[15:08] <temporarytao> hi, just did an upgrade and now my usb drives do not automount and suspend got broken
[15:08] <temporarytao> can someone help me please?
[15:10] <eoke> Hi quick query, what would you guys/gals suggest trying if Ubuntu 9.10 started got as far as the desktop but didn't display any gnome panels etc.
[15:11] <temporarytao> eoke, try if alt+f1 or alt+f2 works
[15:12] <eoke> temporarytao, alt F1 and alt F2 have no effect.
[15:12] <eoke> temporarytao, I should also mention it's colleague who's just trying it out remotely rather myself it's working fine here.
[15:13] <eoke> temporarytao, So there might be slight delay between us trying things.
[15:13] <temporarytao> eoke, that's as far as i can go for you. the alt f1 would'v shown the gnome menu and the altf2 would've been the run menu
[15:14] <BluesKaj> eoke, was he updating/upgrading ?
[15:14] <eoke> Cheers, temporarytao yes that's what I was expecting.  BluesKaj yes he upgraded from a clean 9.04 install.
[15:15] <temporarytao> eoke, maybe he can go to one of the tty's and do a 'top', see if something that's supposed to be running isn't running
[15:16] <t0s> i just did a clean install on 9.10 beta, and installed all the updates but i seem to be missing icons in the panel menu, im missing icons in System menu, like theres no icon beside Administration, Preferences, About etc
[15:16] <eoke> Cheers all, he's just announced he's going to go back to 9.04.  Thanks for all your help.
[15:16] <BluesKaj> eoke, try this in the terminal , sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[15:17] <eoke> BluesKaj, tried a gdm restart.
[15:18] <BluesKaj> eoke, drop to a TTY if possible , sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop , then, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[15:19] <eoke> BluesKaj, we've tried that it came straight back up to the logon again but then after logon went to a desktop with no panels again.
[15:19] <eoke> BluesKaj, The cursor is visible.
[15:20] <eoke> I think I'm going to get hold of the hardware myself and see if I can diagnose the issue after a fresh install of 9.10.
[15:20] <BluesKaj> hmm, that's a new one
[15:21] <t0s> is there a way to take a screenshot with the system menu clicked down? it wont let me prntscreen if ive clicked the menu
[15:21] <temporarytao> did an upgrade and now my usb drives do not automount and suspend got broken. help?
[15:22] <BluesKaj> t0s, try ksnapshot
[15:22] <BluesKaj> or the gnome equivalent
[15:23] <BluesKaj> gnapshot > :)
[15:24] <temporarytao> did an upgrade and now my usb drives do not automount and suspend got broken. help?
[15:26] <tormod> temporarytao: there was a recent automount fix, bug 451613, try reverting to the previous package version
[15:27] <tormod> temporarytao: (and please don't repeat the same questions over and over)
[15:27] <temporarytao> tormod, thanks...and sorry for the repeat. won't happen again
[15:28] <bullgard> Where has the GNOME menu item System > Preferences > Sound > Sound Preferences > Devices > Audio Conferencing gone in Karmic?
[15:29] <t0s> any idea why there are no icons here http://i34.tinypic.com/o8ferc.png
[15:31] <legend2440> t0s: open system>preferences>appearance then Interface tab  put check in box Show Icons in Menu
[15:31] <t0s> ahhhh ty legend2440
[15:31] <t0s> was just weird, that was the only spot where they wasnt :P
[15:34] <lfaraone> System-config-printer hangs for me when I attempt to add new printers in Karmic. While using --debug, it seems to be stuck at "Got Devices"
[15:35] <tormod> t0s: if this is not consistent please file a bug report
[15:35] <lfaraone> Any ideas?
[15:36] <ioka> guys why do I have two kernel headers directories in /usr/src  one linux-headers-2.6.31-14 and the other one linux-headers-2.6.31-14-generic.Which one of these is for my kernel.Uname says ...generic
[15:36] <IdleOne> legend2440: did they remove the blank space where the icons normally are in the menu?
[15:36] <Ian_Corne> hmm, i'm gonna miss applets in the gnome-shelf thing
[15:36] <t0s> tormod, where do i do that?
[15:37] <IdleOne> ioka: the generic headers would be the one
[15:37] <legend2440> IdleOne: there is a space where the icons go. enabling icons fills the space
[15:37] <t0s> yeah
[15:37] <IdleOne> legend2440: ok, thought it would be nicer when icons disabled for that space to not be there
[15:39] <mbeierl> exaile does not support iPods anymore?!?
[15:39] <tormod> t0s, I am not sure which package, but run: "ubuntu-bug gnome-control-center" and check for duplicates
[15:40] <t0s> also my "notifications" popup seems to be out of place shouldnt it be at the very top right hand corner? mine pops up a space under where i think it should be
[15:44] <ioka> is the kernel headers directories actually the kernel source?
[15:44] <ioka> *are
[15:45] <ioka> if they are not how can I install kernel source for 2.6.31-14-generic kernel?
[15:46]  * Blues-Man hola
[15:47] <mzz> ioka: I'd expect apt-get source to do the trick, but are you sure you need the full source?
[15:47] <mzz> ioka: (what are you actually trying to do?)
[15:48] <topyli> as a rule of thumb, you almost never need the kernel source
[15:48] <mzz> only if you're doing a scary kind of debugging or are building a customized kernel, and both are rare
[15:48] <ioka> I was told that I need to patch mac80211 drivers.I was told that i need the kernel source to do that
[15:49] <mzz> define "I was told", and are you sure you don't want to patch backports-modules instead?
[15:49] <ioka> at least I am missing the file which needs to be patched
[15:50] <ioka> the patch patches tx.c file which is located in diff --git a/net/mac80211/tx.c b/net/mac80211/tx.c
[15:50] <ioka>    And I do not have such file
[15:50] <mzz> correct
[15:50] <mzz> see previous questions
[15:51] <ioka> I asked guys from aircrack-ng.They told me that
[15:52] <ioka> that the b43 and ath5 driver needs to be patched
[15:52] <mzz> specifically: if this is a patch that's already applied in the wireless-testing tree I'd definitely try linux-backports-modules-wireless-karmic-generic first
[15:52] <ioka> I told them my kernel version
[15:52] <ioka> how to be sure that patched is already been applied
[15:53] <ioka> *patch
[15:53] <topyli> to build drivers, you only need the kernel headers not the full source
[15:53] <mzz> if you really, absolutely, positively must patch by hand https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild may be of use
[15:53] <ioka> well there is no tx.c file in net folder from kernel headers
[15:53] <mzz> topyli: he's patching an in-tree driver
[15:54] <topyli> ah okay
[15:54] <mzz> topyli: so he does need the source for the driver, although it should be possible to rebuild just that driver
[15:54] <C-S-B> AARRRGHHH i hate you skype, I hope you die.
[15:54] <mzz> but again: I strongly recommend you check if the patch is already in wireless-testing
[15:54] <mzz> if it's *not* in wireless-testing you might not actually want it
[15:55] <C-S-B> anyone else not got skype mic working with karmic and skype 2.1 beta
[15:55] <ioka> what is wireless-testing  site, develepment group?
[15:55] <C-S-B> Can't see any solutions on the web. :(
[15:56] <topyli> C-S-B, just throw it away, use sip
[15:56] <C-S-B> i wish, it's for talking with F&F
[15:56] <mzz> ioka: this is going to sound a bit rude, but if you can't figure out what wireless-testing is even though the first and second google hit for "linux wireless-testing" give you that information I don't think you should be patching kernel-level stuff
[15:56] <topyli> C-S-B, who is this super-important f&f person, and why can't she use sip?
[15:57] <C-S-B> family and friends, they aren't enlightened and im half way round the world from them
[15:57] <ioka> yes ok.10x for the info.I 'll try to do it.
[15:57] <topyli> do them a favor, enlighten them :)
[15:58] <joaopinto> C-S-B, skyp works fine here, i just had to go into sound settings, selecting the correct device and increase the volume to make it work
[15:58] <C-S-B> i will, when I'm there to do so, as of now I'm limited.
[15:58] <C-S-B> joaopinto, which version of skype?
[15:58] <joaopinto> C-S-B, the current deb from their site
[15:59] <joaopinto> I am not on my home pc right now
[15:59] <C-S-B> joaopinto,  2.1 beta?
[15:59] <ioka> last question.If i got an kernel update.After the update do I need to patch again the driver?
[15:59] <mzz> ioka: probably
[15:59] <joaopinto> C-S-B, I think so
[15:59] <C-S-B> mmm...
[16:00] <joaopinto> ioka, if the update package version is higher than yours, yes you will get your kernel overriden
[16:00] <mzz> ioka: (unless it's already in wiress-testing/compat-wireless! then you'd get an update to that automatically, afaik)
[16:00] <C-S-B> joaopinto, the only audio options i can pick are pulse
[16:01] <joaopinto> ioka, wiress-testing is the easy way to have the latest wifi drivers, like mzz already told you, patching the kernel is complex and you shouldn0t do it
[16:01] <C-S-B> joaopinto, audio recording works in gnome recorder
[16:01] <joaopinto> C-S-B, same here, skype does work with pulse, now you just need to set the proper device for pulse, from gnomes, System -> Sound
[16:01] <mbeierl> anyone have a recommendation for an ipod manager in Karmic - what do people use as the itunes equivalent?
[16:02] <joaopinto> on my case it was set to the wrong device, and it was muted there
[16:02] <C-S-B> joaopinto, im pretty sure i have it selected correctly
[16:02] <C-S-B> there's not really anything else I can select.
[16:04] <oldude67> ok who fubarred the auto detect for the usb flash drives???
[16:05] <C-S-B> joaopinto, there is nothing else to select
[16:07] <oldude67> whats the command to see if it the computer sees the flash drive?
[16:07] <oldude67> hw?
[16:08] <oldude67> wait ill be back maybe its a lxde thing..log into kde and see.
[16:12] <joaopinto> C-S-B, can't help you :\
[16:13] <mbeierl> 'nother question: anyone have problems getting rhytmbox to rip to mp3?  I can't get that profile to show up in the menu... disabled all other others and just left that one and the profile list now comes up empty
[16:14] <IdleOne> Just downloaded and burned 9.10 Live CD. took a few minutes to finally load. made it to desktop and when I clicked on Ubuntu one the app loaded and then mouse,keyboard froze. could not get to a tty and had to shut off the computer. this has been my experience since alpha4. any ideas what could be causing this?
[16:14] <PolitikerNEU> Hello, everyone, does Intel-chip-based WLAN not work for any of you either in karmic?
[16:19] <oldude67> well its not seeing my flash in kde either...guess ill have to do some snooping ...ugh and there goes all my music..:(
[16:21] <oldude67> mtrr: no MTRR for f4000000,2000000 found, whats this mean, i got that from unhooking and hooking up flashdrive in dmesg
[16:24] <tormod> IdleOne: what graphics card?
[16:25] <duffydack> is hooking up a 2nd hd and issuing dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb  really that simple
[16:25] <tormod> IdleOne: daily-live from today?
[16:25] <IdleOne> yes
[16:25] <alankila> oldude67: mtrr is a cpu property set for memory. It's most commonly seen in association with graphics card related memory which is special from system viewpoint anyway.
[16:25] <tormod> duffydack: if the hds are relatively similar
[16:25] <alankila> it controls what kind of caching is permissible, or if write combining is allowed, and perhaps some other things. Anyway, that's what it is about.
[16:25] <IdleOne> Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[16:25] <IdleOne> tormod: ^^
[16:25] <tormod> IdleOne: kubuntu?
[16:26] <IdleOne> ubuntu
[16:26] <tarzan> hi. after googling around i did not find an answer. how do i enable strg+alt+backspace again?
[16:26] <tormod> IdleOne: got all latest mesa updates?
[16:26] <duffydack> tormod, actually its a vbox vm.  i want it to use a smaller static hd image
[16:26] <oldude67> alankila, thanks not use to messing with nvidia
[16:26] <IdleOne> tormod: this is while running live cd. after starting ubuntu one I was frozen. could not do anything but turn off the computer and reboot
[16:27] <thiebaude> !intel
[16:27] <tormod> IdleOne: today's daily-live?
[16:27] <IdleOne> tormod yes
[16:28] <alankila> what it means in relation to your specific issue is harder to say, though. One potential cause is that the system wanted to set up MTRR for that region but was unable to do so because all MTRRs are already in use. There are 8 of them. But that's just a guess. Could be something else.
[16:29] <alankila> one should probably take a look in /proc/mtrr to see how many are already in use.
[16:31] <tormod> IdleOne: that's bad :( you said since alpha-4 so it's not because of the new mesa, can you ssh into it (you'll need to install openssh-server and make password for the live user)?
[16:31] <oldude67> alankila, there seems to be only one running.
[16:31] <alankila> oldude67: well, that theory is out then. I don't have other ideas.
[16:31] <IdleOne> tormod: only have one machine here
[16:32] <oldude67> alankila, ill take a look around and see what i can poke holes in and come up with..thanks for shedding a little light on whats going on tho.
[16:33] <tormod> IdleOne: is it only with UbuntuOne?
[16:34] <IdleOne> tormod: no it happens with any app I try to run. the app loads and then everything freezes
[16:34] <mbeierl> No-one using mp3 and rhythmbox out there?
[16:35] <tormod> IdleOne: please fill a bug and provide as much information as possible, so we can track it
[16:35] <IdleOne> tormod: against what package?
[16:36] <t0s> my "notifications" popup seems to be out of place shouldnt it be at the very top right hand corner? mine pops up a space under where i think it should be
[16:36] <tormod> IdleOne: xserver-xorg-video-intel would be my best guess
[16:36] <topyli> mbeierl, install ubuntu-restricted-extras and get all those sweet non-free shiny things and inferior audio codecs :)
[16:36] <IdleOne> will do. thanks for trying tormod
[16:37] <mbeierl> topyli: thanks! ... trying now :)
[16:41] <Heikki123> hmm, i think karmic-team is busy fixing all the bugs now... because no'one cares to confirm the bugs i reported :)
[16:42] <thiebaude> Heikki123, i think your wrong about the last part of what you said
[16:43] <sebsebseb> hi
[16:43] <Heikki123> well... the bugs are not in "confirmed" -state, that's why i said it :)
[16:44] <thiebaude> sebsebseb, hello
[16:44] <Heikki123> and those bugs are easy to reproduce
[16:44] <mbeierl> topyli: urrrg.  Nope - thanks for the tip, but I still cannot get rhythmbox to show mp3 as a ripping format
[16:45] <sebsebseb> thiebaude: hi
[16:45] <thiebaude> Heikki123, but you are wrong when you say nobody cares
[16:46] <Heikki123> well, i didn't mean nobody cares in general
[16:46] <topyli> mbeierl, hrm. well i'm not sure what package you need but LAME is the mp3 encoding library for linux
[16:46] <topyli> Lame Aint an MP3 Encoder :)
[16:46] <savid> anyone know what npviewer.bin is?  It's taking up quite a bit of cpu on my box
[16:46] <Heikki123> sorry, maybe i used a wrong word :) "nobody can do it right now"
[16:46] <mphill_> wine is not an emulator either
[16:47] <topyli> mbeierl, either that, or maybe you could view this as an opportunity to go free and play ogg!
[16:47] <mzz> savid: iirc that's nspluginwrapper, so probably flash
[16:47] <topyli> mphill_, the difference is, wine really isn't an emulator :)
[16:47] <mzz> topyli: I'm still a bit ashamed I didn't check for ogg support when I got my current mp3 player :(
[16:47] <mphill_> savid: if you are using 64-bit, i would STRONGLY recommend you use the native 64-bit version of flash
[16:47] <topyli> :(
[16:48] <savid> mphill_,  yeah I'm using 64-bit.  I just installed flash-plugin-nonfree or whatever
[16:48] <ikonia> mphill_: why ?
[16:48] <savid> mphill_, is there a different pkg for 64-bit flash?
[16:48] <ikonia> savid: that is the standard supported package at this time
[16:48] <mphill_> well, the wrapper totally sucks for starters
[16:48] <ikonia> mphill_: no - it doesn't
[16:48] <mzz> is native 64 bit flash out of beta yet?
[16:48] <ikonia> mzz: no, it's not
[16:48] <mphill_> ikonia: yes, it does
[16:49] <ikonia> mphill_: many people have very positives with it, it does have bugs, but so does the beta version
[16:49] <Heikki123> or, "nobody cares" because they don't have time... but anyhow :D
[16:49] <mzz> I've had the beta crash firefox a few times
[16:49] <mzz> that might've been the previous beta though, it's been a while
[16:49] <mphill_> ikonia: I know many people that have been plagued by the 32 bit, and never looked back after converting. myself included.
[16:49] <ikonia> mzz: as with the wrapper, it can work very well, but it does have buggs
[16:49] <ikonia> mphill_: yes, that's not a blind reason to suggest it as an option
[16:50] <ikonia> mphill_: there is a reason mainstream distros aren't packaging it up.....yet
[16:50] <ikonia> it sure is getting better
[16:50] <savid> no kids, let's not fight :)
[16:50] <thiebaude> Heikki123, its all good:D
[16:51] <mzz> it appears adobe doesn't want to spend resources improving the 64 bit flash on linux situation (or the flash on linux situation in general, arguably)
[16:51] <savid> I'm going to try 64-bit and see if that cures my problem -- if so, I'll stick w/ that :)
[16:51] <mphill_> savid: i would help you, but my windows computer is in the process of crashing and i can't start firefox to get you instructions.
[16:51] <ikonia> mzz: what gives you that idea
[16:51] <mzz> I think I read a post on their linux developer's blog where he said the wrapper has known bugs, but at the same time they don't have a reliable native version either
[16:51] <mphill_> if you google "adobe flash 64-bit linux" you should get the site, copy the .so file to your ~/.mozilla/plugins/
[16:51] <alankila> I've had good experience with the 64-bit flash myself. Much better than the nspluginwrapper crap which never registered mouse clicks within the flash window area properly
[16:52] <mphill_> make sure you remove all flash packages, run dpkg -l | grep flash and verify its all gone
[16:52] <savid> someone should make a ppa for it
[16:52] <mphill_> alankila: I totally agree, it runs very well.
[16:53] <mphill_> youtube would seriously fail like for 50% of loads, now its 100% all the time
[16:53] <mphill_> 100% success rate that is for page loads
[16:53] <savid> mphill_,  I've noticed issues trying to play embedded videos, as well...
[16:53] <alankila> Yes, I've also seen the 32-bit thingy to somehow lock up necessiating a browser restart before it would work again
[16:53] <mphill_> savid: if the plugins directory does not exist in your .mozilla directory, just create it
[16:54] <mphill_> alankila: also, the audio dies after like 2 seconds
[16:54] <mphill_> savid: you can issue the command mkdir ~/.mozilla/plugins and copy the .so file into that directory
[16:54] <natewiebe13> so anyone else have this issue? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/445849
[16:54] <mphill_> you have to make sure you remove all the other flash packages, i can't stress that enough.  The system will try to use the 32-bit version for some reason
[16:55] <natewiebe13> ^ bug #445849
[16:55] <Aruza> im having a problem booting into 9.10 after i install and reboot i get a message saying "Reboot and select proper boot device or insert boot media in selected boot device and press a key", i did notice that grub installed but it doesnt seem to be working. Has anyone had similar issues?
[16:57] <timber> syndaemon doesn't work?
[16:59] <addisonj> alright, upgrading, chances of breakage?
[17:00] <Heikki123> i upgraded 10 minutes ago
[17:00] <Heikki123> still working
[17:02] <addisonj> i have not done too much customization, so should be good
[17:08] <mbeierl> topyli: Thanks for the info... it was error-between-keyboard-and-computer.  I didn't realize that rhythmbox went to the tray on "X" - and therefore was not restarted after I installed the restricted packages.  mp3 shows up now :)
[17:09] <sdg> I just got my laptop back from Asus but I can't seem to connect to Wi-Fi now. :(
[17:17] <romabadta> ciao
[17:17] <romabadta> !list
[17:18] <Dr_Willis> Showed him i guess.. .:)
[17:21] <zorael> How do I "toggle" between using plasma-desktop and plasma-netbook? Both start automatically atm, after having installed the netbook packages onto a normal installation
[17:21] <t0s> my "notifications" popup seems to be out of place shouldnt it be at the very top right hand corner? mine pops up a space under where i think it should be
[17:21] <AlanBell> is anyone seeing avatar corruption/missing avatars in gwibber?
[17:22] <mbeierl> t0s: that's where my notifications show up too
[17:22] <t0s> is it normal?
[17:22] <mbeierl> don't know - I just know that's where mine show up in Karmic
[17:30] <EvanCarroll> Was the sole reason for moving to empathy video-chatting?
[17:30] <EvanCarroll> It seems like it is missing a bunch of functionality
[17:30] <Aruza> im having a problem booting into 9.10 after i install and reboot i get a message saying "Reboot and select proper boot device or insert boot media in selected boot device and press a key", i did notice that grub installed but it doesnt seem to be working. Has anyone had similar issues?
[17:31] <maco> EvanCarroll: also, its gnome's client. also, it can do desktop sharing
[17:31] <maco> also, it uses the telepathy framework which is aware of and integrates with other parts of the desktop
[17:31] <maco> (dont ask me to specify what though. im a kde user)
[17:33] <maco> (but i tried it the other day, and i agree it is very unpolished)
[17:35] <ibuclaw> Aruza, had someone have that the other day, I resolved it for him ...
[17:35] <topyli> mbeierl, ah. good good, all's well that ends well :)
[17:35] <ibuclaw> I could walk you through steps?
[17:36] <Aruza> ibuclaw: that would be great
[17:36] <ibuclaw> Aruza, are you in the Beta LiveCD now?
[17:37] <EvanCarroll> yea, i mean it lacks litterally all but the bare bones but then it has this apparent major leg up for video chatting.
[17:37] <ibuclaw> Aruza, which partition did you install Ubuntu Beta in ?
[17:40] <maco> EvanCarroll: i just think the interface is ugh
[17:40] <Aruza> ibuclaw: i installed on a separate HDD than any other installation
[17:41] <ibuclaw> Aruza, sda? sdb?
[17:41] <EvanCarroll> maco: functionality sucks too, no logging, single line for entry, themes are totally broke (none of them work), no pseudo-nick containers, or nick-alises for the aim network
[17:42] <maco> what i saw with themes was that 4 were listed but in reality there were only 2
[17:42] <EvanCarroll> the notification bubble doesn't even work for it
[17:42] <EvanCarroll> maco: I tried all ,none worked for me
[17:42] <maco> dunno what you mean by single line for entry
[17:42] <Aruza> ibuclaw: i dont remember, im on that computer now booted into windows from another drive
[17:42] <maco> but the inabillity to mark 2 nicks as 1 person...yeah...ugh
[17:42] <EvanCarroll> maco: open up the message dialog
[17:42] <maco> for themes, the first two are blue. the second two are off-white
[17:43] <ibuclaw> oh, ok. Would it be possible for you to reboot into the Ubuntu Beta LiveCD Aruza ?
[17:43] <maco> (i might be used to single line text entry since i use IRC much much more than i IM)
[17:43] <Aruza> ibuclaw: i tried that and it wont boot all the way to the cd, it stops as it starts loading the desktop
[17:45] <ibuclaw> hmm, difficult, it will be without that...
[17:46] <wild_oscar> btw: any thoughts on why they changed the default IM from pidgin to the gnome one whose name I don't recall?
[17:46] <wild_oscar> granted, I only use pidgin to gmail and irc because their msn client sucks
[17:46] <wild_oscar> but the new IM 's irc support is really lousy
[17:47] <maco> wild_oscar: we were just talking about that
[17:47] <wild_oscar> doesn't even seem to have commands (you can't /j #channel)
[17:47] <ibuclaw> wild_oscar, same reason as debian switched from glibc -> eglibc? ... or not
[17:47] <maco> well not the IRC part of it, but ...wait, pidgin had crappy IRC too
[17:47]  * maco likes quassel
[17:48] <ibuclaw> xchat is perfectly fine for irc
[17:48] <wild_oscar> maco: I've used pidgin's irc for about 2 years now. don't know how it could be better, as it has all the basic functions
[17:48] <maco> wild_oscar: like i said above, empathy/telepathy are better on desktop integration, and they can do desktop sharing (like you and a friend edit in OpenOffice via an IM session)
[17:48] <wild_oscar> at *least* you can write commands!
[17:48] <maco> but yes, the client is rather icky so far
[17:49] <ibuclaw> but with time and attention, that will change soon
[17:49] <nanamin> hi
[17:49] <wild_oscar> I haven't followed pidgin's development, but it seems like a much more mature app
[17:49] <ibuclaw> wild_oscar, I never honestly like pidgin. It just didn't meet my demanding needs
[17:49] <nanamin> i've been using 9.10 beta and wanted to provide feedback to whomever
[17:50] <wild_oscar> so replacing it with a clearly recent and rough shaped application doesn't seem an evident choice
[17:50] <nanamin> wild_oscar: agreed
[17:50] <nemo> nanamin: if you've run into issues, or enhancements, a bug report is probably the best
[17:50] <ibuclaw> wild_oscar, for example, I'm connected to 12 channels as we speak.
[17:50] <nanamin> nemo: well help me figure this out then
[17:50] <ibuclaw> pidgin would just go crazy with all the memory leaks
[17:50] <nanamin> nemo: im using a lenovo thinkpad t400 and "sometimes" ubuntu won't come back from a suspend state
[17:51] <nanamin> nemo: it says there's a serious kernel error and "click here to report," but i can't report because it's beta.
[17:51] <nanamin> nemo: where would i get information that would be useful in a bug report
[17:52] <wild_oscar> I'm not particularly attracted to pidgin either - just to think they haven't implemented direct file transfers in msn is beyond me... (so you transfer files at 2 kbps. add a spice girls tune and you're back in the 90ies)
[17:52] <nanamin> and other than this bug, my only comment is that I *hate* empathy
[17:52] <wild_oscar> lol
[17:52] <nanamin> i agree that *many* people don't think pidgin is perfect
[17:52] <nanamin> but it's about the best thing out there in my opinion
[17:52] <nanamin> and lack of OTR in an IM app is a deal-breaker for me
[17:53] <nanamin> i think that if users don't like pidgin, they can remove it and put empathy or whatever else with fewer features that they prefer
[17:53] <wild_oscar> otr?
[17:53] <nanamin> but that pidgin is a good default for joe user
[17:53] <nanamin> OTR = off the record. encryption of IMs
[17:53] <nanamin> IMs are sent as cleartext over the network. at college/work/etc this is bad
[17:54] <nanamin> especially since I got to a technical school where plenty of people want to become penetration testers and so forth :P
[17:54] <maco> haha
[17:54] <nanamin> so otr prevents people from snooping in on what you're saying
[17:54] <wild_oscar> what, they want to join the porn industry?
[17:54] <I7uoHeoka> i need a help. i'm russian. i can win iPod nano 8GB if you help me. please register -> http://vk.com/reg1051946 . 14 users need. (sorry, my english is very bad)
[17:54] <topyli> hmm i don't know many people who think pidgin is perfect. it's just good enough for many things
[17:54] <Aruza> ibuclaw: ok it looks like im booted to the live disk now
[17:55] <nemo> nanamin: anyway, WRT suspend, I think there are a number of bugs with suspend out there
[17:55] <nemo> nanamin: nvidia card?
[17:55] <wild_oscar> sorry, had to laugh when I read "they want to become penetration testers"
[17:55] <nanamin> nemo: no. the graphics come back on just fine .just the mouse and keyboard stop working
[17:55] <nanamin> nemo: integrated graphics. might be an nvidia chipset? but that's not the issue
[17:56] <nemo> nanamin: can you move the mouse?
[17:56] <nemo> (cursor moves)
[17:56] <nanamin> usually what happens is this
[17:56] <nanamin> i'll open the laptop, screen comes on
[17:57] <nanamin> mouse/keyboard don't function for several seconds (20?)
[17:57] <nanamin> then everything starts working
[17:57] <nanamin> sometimes the mouse/keyboard functionality *never* returns
[17:57] <nemo> nanamin: you know, this level of detail would help earlier :)
[17:57] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/346310
[17:57] <nanamin> sweet
[17:57] <nemo> nanamin: looking for similar bugs
[17:57] <nemo> nanamin: I would search launchpad if I were you, and subscribe/comment in any similar ones
[17:58] <nemo> hopefully you could get some suggestions
[17:58] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/421538
[17:58] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/429249
[17:59] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/433268 (specifically mentions keyboard and mouse in the bug)
[17:59] <nemo> nanamin: anyway. looks like quite a few related bugs
[17:59] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.searchtext=suspend+mouse+keyboard
[17:59] <RanDom33> Is there a way to enable the "right click" encrypt/decrypt option in karmic?
[17:59] <topyli> suspend bugs in a linux distro? no way
[18:00] <Dr_Willis> RanDom33:  You could check out the various Nautilus Scripts that are on the web theres some to do differnt tasks like that
[18:00] <Aruza> ibuclaw: i managed to get the system to boot to the live disk, is there a file that i need to edit?
[18:00] <nanamin> alright thanks for your help
[18:00] <nanamin> i had to talk about it, i think, to figure out what details were important. . .since there's no obvious log/terminal feedback that I'm aware of
[18:00] <nanamin> also -- is it common with laptops + ubuntu that sometimes you can't connect to any wireless networks until rebooting? I've had this happen with ubuntu 7.whatever on another laptop as well as this one
[18:00] <RanDom33> Dr_Willis, thanks .. will do
[18:01] <Dr_Willis> Hibernate/suspend can crash some drivers.. wireless and video are often the big problems.
[18:01] <nanamin> nemo: thanks
[18:01] <nanamin> last thing
[18:02] <nanamin> i seem to have problems installing truecrypt in 9.10beta 64 bit
[18:02] <nanamin> no issues in previous versions
[18:02] <nanamin> but i'll check the bug reporting sytstem
[18:02] <blueglasses> My sound is extremelly low
[18:02] <ibuclaw> Aruza, ok! can you figure out which drive the root filesystem is?
[18:03] <ibuclaw> when you do:
[18:03] <ibuclaw> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[18:03] <ibuclaw> replace sda1 with the name of the partition
[18:03] <blueglasses> My sound is extremelly low wich is strange, because it worked fine before, I'm using karmic
[18:03] <Aruza> ibuclaw: yeah i mounted the drive and can view the files
[18:03] <ibuclaw> Aruza, ok, next
[18:04] <EvanCarroll> does anyone elses's firefox now close entirely on Ctrl+W?
[18:04] <zorael> How do you stop services from starting automatically at boot now with upstart? Stuff seems to be started even without having any symlinks in /etc/rc*.d/
[18:04] <ibuclaw> sudo mount --bind /dev/ /mnt/dev
[18:04] <EvanCarroll> I could have /sworn/ that this was taken out in 2.5
[18:04] <blueglasses> how do I see the hidden options for sound in sound preferences, or what is the configuration file i should search for?
[18:05] <Aruza> ibuclaw: hmmm i get mount point does not exist
[18:05] <topyli> EvanCarroll, i'm not known as a big firefox user, but ctrl-w is supposed to close a window in gnome
[18:05] <ibuclaw> Aruza, did you mount it in /mnt ?
[18:06] <ioka> here a bug I found.When I use my usb wificard I get wlan1.when I unplug it and plug it back I get wlan2. After 6 time plug-unplug now I have wlan6.I think it should stay wlan1 all the time.Naming after its father wmaster1
[18:06] <topyli> EvanCarroll, more precisely, a document. in a tabbed window, it will close the window if there's only one document
[18:06] <ibuclaw> Aruza, if not replace that path with the path you mounted it in
[18:06] <ibuclaw> o/ JoshuaL
[18:07] <JoshuaL> \o
[18:08] <literal> hm, the latest version of evolution-common in amd64 karmic depends on a version of evolution-common that doesn't exist
[18:08] <EvanCarroll> topyli: more precisely, in firefox it will close the application if there is only one window.
[18:08] <literal> i.e. they upgraded evolution-common but not evolution, so now it's uninstallable
[18:09] <rictec> windows network stop working too
[18:09] <blueglasses> is it safe to uninstall evolution if you only use webmail?
[18:09] <rictec> now i have to do a smb:// to get there
[18:09] <literal> of course it is
[18:10] <literal> that's like asking if it's safe to install an IRC client if you only use twitter
[18:10] <jimpop> blueglasses, yes (it's also stupid that a base OS installs a mail client)
[18:10] <rictec> webmail is browser based
[18:10] <nanamin> blueglasses: applications are pretty much stand-alone. you can keep/add what you want. i think ubuntu's package manager will make sure sure you aren't removing a dependency for something else too
[18:10] <blueglasses> you are right jimpop
[18:10] <ibuclaw> Aruza, be right back in 30 seconds
[18:11] <nanamin> jimpop: isn't that the point of a distribution though? if you don't want it, use archlinux or somesuch
[18:11] <ibuclaw> creating a custom LiveCD failed =)
[18:11] <JoshuaL> The following packages have been kept back:
[18:11] <JoshuaL>   evolution-common
[18:11] <JoshuaL> i get that message, even after doing a apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:11] <mbeierl> BUT... didn't they depend ubuntu-desktop on evolution?
[18:11] <jimpop> nanamin, the desktop environment shouldn't depend on applications
[18:11] <literal> JoshuaL: I just got that as well, then I used a different ubuntu mirror and did "aptitude update", and it was fixed
[18:12] <nanamin> jimpop: so use a distro that doesn't?
[18:12] <blueglasses> whats the purpose of gvfsd?
[18:12] <jimpop> nanamin, or push to change this one back to what it once stood for ;-)
[18:12] <mbeierl> so removing evo removes the desktop metapackage which makes further dependencies more difficult
[18:12] <nanamin> jimpop: it does'nt *depend* on evolution I think. it's just included by default
[18:13] <jimpop> nanamin, it does depend on evo-server-blah-somethign or another
[18:13] <nanamin> jimpop: i always thought ubuntu "stood for" being a linux that was easy for joe user, almost a windows replacement
[18:13] <mbeierl> blueglasses: gvfsd is the "daemon" that allows gnome virtual filesystems to be mounted
[18:13] <nanamin> jimpop: whereas other distros have other distinct philosophies, like gentoo or arch
[18:13] <ni1s> blueglasses, virtual file system daemon, does transparent ftp,samba, etc transfers and stuff
[18:13] <JoshuaL> literal, will try that ty
[18:13] <jimpop> "About Me" is a Gnome (Desktop) application that depends on another application to work
[18:13] <blueglasses> thank you
[18:14] <jimpop> nanamin, me too, however it's lately becoming more bloated than Windows....
[18:15] <degot> Hi, All... How to configure LVM in 9.10 desktop amd64 correctly? what tools of 9.10 i should use?
[18:15] <nanamin> jimpop: agreed.
[18:15] <nanamin> jimpop: I have been using ubuntu (after a switch from gentoo) for years because it is convenient etc. but so many problems now that I may switch :-\
[18:15] <nanamin> jimpop: i really don't *want* to though
[18:16] <rictec> dont replace something you dont like ..just get something you do like
[18:16] <jimpop> nanamin, it would be nice to see a solid distro over one that is a spot-for-spot match for MS Windows.
[18:17] <JoshuaL> nanamin, i switched from gentoo to ubuntu because i have less problems with it :)
[18:17] <jimpop> really now, one can't best Microsoft solely by matching Windows functionality
[18:17] <nanamin> JoshuaL: that's why I did too. Gentoo was very nice for learning etc, but after a while so many things start to cause problems with each other
[18:17] <nanamin> jimpop: right. I always liked linux because it was a step *ahead*
[18:18] <rictec> i think thats cos is huge now
[18:18] <jimpop> nanamin, in everything except hardware support ;-)
[18:18] <nanamin> maybe not always with drivers (it's gotten GREAT about that), but with features/functionality, and obviously security
[18:18]  * jimpop has a AAO that is unsupported by Ubuntu
[18:18] <nanamin> jimpop: i just bought a really obscure wifi dongle for my desktop on ebay. needs drivers to install, pain in the ass to get it working in windows. works out of the box on ubuntu
[18:18] <nanamin> ahh generic chinese hardware :-)
[18:19] <jimpop> lol
[18:19] <jimpop> The Chinese love Linux and despise Windows
[18:19] <degot> =( Guys, can you help me with LVM in 9.10 ?
[18:19] <rictec> i do have a mythbuntu working witha tunner card no windows driver for it
[18:19] <nanamin> on the other hand, i omitted webcam and fingerprint reader on my laptop because i'm pretty sure they wouldn't work on linux even if i needed them
[18:19] <jimpop> degot, what's the issue?
[18:20] <nanamin> okay could someone tell me what you think about this issue? it's come up on google but not in this context and I didn't see a solution to it
[18:20] <degot> jimpop: i configured LVM`s VG and LG during installation of 9.10 Desk amd64....  how i can mount them now?
[18:21] <nanamin> i'm trying to install truecrypt 6.2a on ubuntu 9.10beta. i run the package, gdebi opens, I hit "install package," and get this error: dpkg: unable to read filedescriptor flags for <package status and progress file descriptor>: Bad file descriptor
[18:21] <jimpop> degot, encrypted or not?
[18:21] <degot> jimpop: not
[18:21] <nanamin> also gdebi freezes and I can't kill it afterwards
[18:21] <zorael> How do you stop services from starting automatically at boot now with upstart? Stuff seems to be started even without having any symlinks in /etc/rc*.d/ ...
[18:21] <jimpop> degot, did you mkfs them?
[18:21] <ActionParsnip> !bum
[18:22] <zorael> ActionParsnip: thanks
[18:22] <Aruza> ibuclaw: ok i think i got what you sent me already
[18:22] <degot> jimpop: i`ve formated them during installation ... but i forgot to set mouning point =(
[18:22] <jimpop> degot, k
[18:23] <jimpop> degot, "sudo fdisk -l" will show you the partitions
[18:23] <mzz> but those aren't all that interesting if you're using lvm
[18:23] <mzz> degot: does the system boot?
[18:24] <jimpop> mzz, oh right.
[18:24] <degot> i know them sdb1 and sdc1 .... system boots from sda1 -> simple sata ext4 partition
[18:24] <jimpop> does Disk Utility show LVMs?
[18:24] <mzz> degot: that is: is your problem just that you need to add them to /etc/fstab?
[18:25] <rob0> Elvyim
[18:25] <degot> mzz, jimpop: sdb1, sdc1 are Linux lvm -> they are in Logical group... datalg... how cat i mount this logical group?
[18:25] <mzz> degot: just like any other device, using /dev/<vgname>/<lvname> as the device
[18:26] <jimpop> degot you have to use the lv cmd to list the logical volumes and then specify the lv in /etc/fstab
[18:27] <degot> mzz, jimpop: lv shows nothing and there is no /dev/<vgname>  ((
[18:28] <jimpop> degot, it's a command like lvdisplay that will show the logical volumes (i don't have a LVM system as i despise layers of re-direction)
[18:28] <jimpop> degot, google for "LVM display logical volumes"
[18:29] <mzz> degot: huh, they're normally activated by default. Does "vgs" see your volume group?
[18:29] <pmcclelland> having some trouble getting mod_python working with 9.10 can someone give me a hand?
[18:29] <degot> mzz,jimpop: lvdisplays shows me /dev/vgname , but ls -l doesn`t
[18:30] <mzz> degot: weird. Anything in /dev/mapper?
[18:30] <degot> mzz: yes, vgs shows vgname
[18:30] <degot> mzz: ls /dev/mapper -> only "contol"
[18:31] <mzz> degot: does running "vgchange -ay" make a difference?
[18:32] <degot> mzz: yes....now, i can see /dev/vgname/lgname
[18:32] <mzz> degot: hmm, I was expecting it to do that by default
[18:32] <mzz> degot: you can mount that, but I'm not sure if it'll work properly if you reboot. Sec.
[18:34] <mzz> degot: hmm, weird. I don't know what happened there. My root partition is on lvm, so here the initramfs has to activate the vg or it can't boot at all. I'm not sure what's supposed to happen if your root partition isn't on lvm on ubuntu.
[18:34] <mzz> degot: if (part of) this vg is on a device that wasn't present when you booted having to run vgchange -ay is normal, afaik
[18:35] <degot> mzz: ok, i`ll try to reboot
[18:35] <mzz> degot: sec
[18:35] <degot> mzz: what i must add to /etc/fstab
[18:35] <degot> ?
[18:35] <degot> mzz: sudo mount /dev/vgname/lgname /data0 worked fine
[18:35] <mzz> degot: might want to run update-initramfs -k all
[18:36] <mzz> degot: yeah, you can just mount those like you'd mount a partition
[18:36] <zorael> Are linux-image-rt packages generally/always a few versions behind linux-image-generic? (currently -9 vs -14)
[18:37] <overboost7667> hi there - i already filed a bug, but nobody picked it up in the last two days. since the upgrade to the .14 kernel my T43 throws kernel crash notifications, yet it remains stable and runs like before. Anybody out there with the same problem ?
[18:38] <mzz> zorael: those versions don't match. See the changelog.
[18:39] <rob0> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-43_tank
[18:39] <mzz> zorael: that is: the current linux-image-rt is actually synced up to v2.6.31-14.47 of the generic kernel
[18:41] <mbeierl> rob0: I knew linux ran on a lot of older hardware, but that's a new one ;)
[18:41] <zorael> mzz: Ah, I see. The changelog of linux-image-rt seems to be pretty nonexplanatory, but the dates seem to match
[18:41] <mzz> zorael: my bad, I meant the changelog.Debian.gz of linux-image-2.6.31-9-rt
[18:42] <mzz> zorael: (not the linux-image-rt metapackage one)
[18:42] <rob0> Don't ask me, ask overboost7667 ... "my T43 throws kernel crash notifications ..."
[18:42] <rob0> Safer than what the Red Army T43's threw, I suppose.
[18:42] <overboost7667> That's a ThinkPad FYI
[18:42] <iainbuclaw> Aruza, ?
[18:42] <zorael> mzz: there it is, thanks
[18:43] <Aruza> iainbuclaw: yes
[18:43] <rob0> Ah, I have an old Thinkpad, it is built like a tank, FWIW.
[18:44] <savid> boo, I like pidgin better :-(
[18:44] <iainbuclaw> Aruza, sorry about that, I appear to have had a series of unexpected crashes ;)
[18:44] <Aruza> iainbuclaw: lol it happens
[18:45] <Aruza> iainbuclaw: i did get the drive to mount as you said before
[18:45] <iainbuclaw> Aruza, was just extracting a squashfs from a ISO mount, and it died with a NULL pointer reference in the kernel ;)
[18:45] <iainbuclaw> Aruza, where is the mountpoint of the filesystem?
[18:45] <MindSpark> does anyone know what this means: (Reading database ... 10%dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting:
[18:45] <MindSpark>  files list file for package 'python-zope.interface' is missing final newline
[18:45] <MindSpark> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
[18:46] <Aruza> iainbuclaw: i basically ran the commands you sent me but the drive is sdf1 instead of sda1
[18:46] <iainbuclaw> Aruza, ah, ok... and it is mounted in /mnt
[18:47] <Aruza> yes
[18:47] <iainbuclaw> Aruza, and you ran:  sudo mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev
[18:47] <Aruza> yep
[18:47] <iainbuclaw> ok! now we are up to speed (sorry)
[18:47] <iainbuclaw> next
[18:47] <iainbuclaw> sudo chroot /mnt
[18:48] <Aruza> ok
[18:48] <Aruza> it changed my prompt
[18:48] <iainbuclaw> mount -t proc none /proc
[18:48] <iainbuclaw> mount -t sysfs none /sys
[18:48] <iainbuclaw> mount -t devpts none /dev/pts
[18:49] <ioka> is there an alternative to adobe-flashplugin? It does not work well on linux
[18:49] <cemc> I just upgraded to Karmic, and I my screen resolution width is double of the real resolution, using fglrx. I have no resolution set in xorg.conf. where else could it be?
[18:49] <Heikki123> for me it works perfect
[18:49] <Aruza> iainbuclaw: ok ran those three
[18:49] <Heikki123> flash, i mean
[18:50] <iainbuclaw> ioka, flash10 is ok ... it depends on the graphics drivers you are using, the kernel, and the distribution specific configuration ...
[18:50] <iainbuclaw> Aruza, okies: lastly, where do you want to install grub?
[18:50] <iainbuclaw> sda?
[18:51] <Aruza> iainbuclaw: i think just to the same drive the 9.10 install is on
[18:51] <iainbuclaw> sdf then
[18:51] <Heikki123> same drive or same disk?
[18:51] <Heikki123> drive as in partition
[18:51] <iainbuclaw> good point Heikki123
[18:52] <Aruza> yes same partition
[18:52] <Heikki123> you don't install grub on a partition
[18:52] <Aruza> the only other thing on the drive is the swap partition
[18:52] <tiger2wander> Hi all
[18:52] <iainbuclaw> lol
[18:52] <iainbuclaw> Aruza, in the MBR (sdf) or on the partition header (sdf1)
[18:52] <tiger2wander> How I can reset runlevels for a service?
[18:53] <iainbuclaw> Aruza, to boot from the disk, via BIOS Bootloader, it needs to be in the MBR
[18:53] <Aruza> ok, yeah i wanna put it in the mbr
[18:53] <Heikki123> i have never installed grub on a partition, instead in the mbr of the disk, that is sdf
[18:53] <iainbuclaw> Aruza:  grub-install /dev/sdf; update-grub2
[18:54] <Aruza> ok it found a linux image, initrd image. memtest, and windows
[18:55] <Trevize> do you know anything about special repository with Win software for wine?
[18:56] <iainbuclaw> Aruza, once it's finished, should be OK to reboot and test that it worked
[18:56] <Aruza> alright, here we go
[18:56] <iainbuclaw> good luck =)
[18:58] <nanamin> i have a question
[18:58] <nanamin> I'm currently running 9.10 beta. when the RTS comes out. . .is there a way to upgrade to it, or will I have to reinstall
[18:58] <nanamin> is it as clean to do an upgrade? or will i still have beta issues
[18:58] <Aruza> well i got grub to come up, thats an improvement, and there is the login screen!!!!
[18:58] <rsk> nanamin: you won't have ext4
[18:58] <Aruza> thanks iainbuclaw!
[18:58] <rsk> nanamin: else it should be as a regular new install
[18:59] <nanamin> rsk: i do have ext4. or it said so during the install.
[18:59] <nanamin> are you sure beta doesn't include ext4?
[18:59] <rsk> right then then you have it
[18:59] <rsk> beta have ext4
[18:59] <MindSpark> can someone help me out please ?
[18:59] <MindSpark> (Reading database ... 10%dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting:
[18:59] <MindSpark>  files list file for package 'python-zope.interface' is missing final newline
[18:59] <MindSpark> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
[18:59] <rsk> MindSpark: what's the command you are trying to run?
[18:59] <MindSpark> I am getting this when I try to do any package manager task
[18:59] <iainbuclaw> Aruza, no probs
[18:59] <rsk> MindSpark: have you fiddled with sources.list?
[18:59] <MindSpark> rsk, I get this when updating, I get this when trying to install a new package
[18:59] <MindSpark> anything
[19:00] <MindSpark> rsk, what do I do ?
[19:00] <rsk> i don't know what you are doing
[19:00] <rsk> please answear my question
[19:01] <Schugy> ivewm doesn't work, no toolbar
[19:01] <MindSpark> rsk, ok here's an example: sudo aptitude install bluefish
[19:02] <rsk> MindSpark: still not answearing my question
[19:03] <MindSpark> rsk, can you please repeat your question ?
[19:03] <rictec> i will be back ...later
[19:04] <Schugy> any idea why icewm doesn't load completeley?
[19:04] <rsk> 19:59 < rsk> MindSpark: have you fiddled with sources.list?
[19:06] <mzz> MindSpark: sounds like corruption. Can you pastebin your /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-zope.interface.list ?
[19:06] <mzz> MindSpark: mine's http://paste.ubuntu.com/297000/ and if yours is truncated from that you might want to fix it up manually
[19:08] <amgarchIn9> how do I avoid UbuntuOne applet starting in KDE sessions? Caannot get rid of it!
[19:09] <MindSpark> rsk, no I didn't do anything with sources.list, but I just chose to choose another server, maybe that will fix it ?
[19:09] <MindSpark> mzz, ok one moment, thanks
[19:11] <MindSpark> mzz, the file looks like a binary to me after catting it
[19:11] <mzz> MindSpark: it shouldn't be. Got any reason to expect filesystem corruption?
[19:11] <Schugy> any way to increase ext2 write speed on sdhc except noatime,nodiratime? 100 mb updates will take long time to install
[19:11] <MindSpark> mzz, do you think I can use your file instead ?
[19:11] <mzz> MindSpark: might want to touch /forcefsck and reboot
[19:11] <MindSpark> mzz, I just had a manual fsck because the system wouldn't boot
[19:12] <MindSpark> although last time I had the eee on was while doing an update
[19:12] <MindSpark> and I did a clean shutdown
[19:12] <mzz> MindSpark: ah. I guess you could grab my version of that file fairly safely, but if one file got corrupted others might also have
[19:12] <MindSpark> mzz, I believe so... do you think another fsck would fix this ?
[19:12] <Dream-Ubu> sorry, lost connection
[19:12] <mzz> MindSpark: no
[19:13] <MindSpark> mzz, can you maybe send me your python-zope.interface.list ?
[19:13] <mzz> MindSpark: but if you've found one corrupted file like this I'd worry about others. I don't remember the command but I think there was a way to compare checksums of installed files to what they should be
[19:14] <mzz> MindSpark: I figured you could just copy from the pastebin
[19:14] <MindSpark> mzz, a dpkg command ?
[19:14] <mzz> hmm, lemme see
[19:14] <MindSpark> mzz, you pasted the directory content, not the actual file content
[19:15] <mzz> MindSpark: I did? ugh, must've typoed
[19:16] <mzz> MindSpark: nope, that's really what's in that file (the file contains a list of files belonging to that package)
[19:16] <uffo> hello i have one question do kubuntu comes without pulseaudio, i am very glad if there is NO pulseaudio?
[19:16] <MindVirus> When will the new hulu FE be added to the repos?
[19:16] <MindSpark> mzz, ah, ok
[19:16] <mzz> MindSpark: compare to some other .list file to see for yourself :)
[19:17] <mzz> uffo: hmm, judging from "apt-cache rdepends pulseaudio" probably not, although I might be missing some weird indirect dep.
[19:18] <MindSpark> mzz, alright, I think I'll try to restart and see how that goes
[19:18] <uffo> mzz: so you say kubuntu has pulse terror too???
[19:18] <mzz> MindSpark: if you already ran a fsck since your last unclean shutdown (and it found stuff) that's probably not necessary or helpful
[19:19] <mzz> uffo: I meant it probably does not have pulseaudio, although it might have some other sound server (I don't run kde)
[19:21] <Pici> MindVirus: A new package that isn't already in the repositories has very little chance of making it in before release.
[19:21] <MindVirus> Pici: I know this.
[19:21] <MindVirus> Pici: How much time, though?
[19:22] <trothigar> When is ubuntuone couchdb support going to be finished?
[19:23] <Pici> MindVirus: It would need to be packaged first, but they probably wouldnt upload it into the ubuntu repositories until lucid is open. Nevertheless, it probably would go into a PPA first.
[19:24] <Aruza> anyone here good with configuring nvidia graphics cards? i can get the first card to work the way i want but when i go to activate the screen on the second card and save the settings file i get a cannot parse file error and the nvidia app crashes
[19:24] <Pici> MindVirus: See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages if you want to start to get the ball rolling.
[19:24] <MindVirus> Pici: OK. How long do you think it will be until it is packaged? How hard is it to package something?
[19:24] <MindVirus> Pici: I would love to.
[19:24] <bjsnider> Aruza, the old nvidia-settings 180.25 doesn't work with current xorg.conf files
[19:25] <Aruza> bjsnider: that would explain it, is there a work around or new nvidia software?
[19:25] <MindVirus> Pici: Nevermind. It is too complicated.
[19:27] <bjsnider> Aruza, nvidia fixed the problem awhile back but the newer nvidia-settings has not been packaged by canonical. there is a new one in the nvidia-vdpau ppa
[19:27] <bjsnider> created by me i think
[19:27] <bjsnider> either me or batman
[19:27] <Aruza> bjsnider: ok, im kinda new to this, how would i get the new package?
[19:30] <bjsnider> goog nvidia-vdpau ppa and you'll find the link to the page where there are instructions
[19:30] <Aruza> bjsnider: lol just did that, i just have to add it to the software sources correct?
[19:30] <bjsnider> yes
[19:30] <bjsnider> you do
[19:35] <elvirolo> hi everyone
[19:36] <elvirolo> in kubuntu karmic, the network manager widget should be in the plasma widget list, right ?
[19:38] <elvirolo> ?
[19:39] <habanany_> hello, icedtea web browser plugin vs the java (tm) plugin java SE 6 .....
[19:40] <habanany_> i'm using karmic in 32 bit
[19:42] <darthanubis> habanany_, do you have a question?
[19:49] <dupondje> evolution broken atm
[19:49] <dupondje> in package depends way ;)
[19:49] <elvirolo> please, could anyone tell me if the network widget works under kubuntu ?
[19:52] <tgpraveen11> ubottu: !info empathy
[19:52] <tgpraveen11> !info empathy
[19:53] <dupondje> !info evolution
[19:53] <dupondje> ah not updated yet :P
[20:07] <arand> !info brasero
[20:12] <Delvien> Hi, having issues getting my LCD brightness to change, my FN buttons do not work, and within /proc/acpi/GFX0 the "brightness" script only has <not supported> Yet I cannot change the brightness via FN buttons or in the bios (no settings, handled by OS)
[20:12] <Delvien> I am using a dv1000 HP laptop on karmic fully updated
[20:13] <Delvien> Anyone have any ideas?
[20:13] <Delvien> IT used to be handeled by /proc/acpi/video/VGA/LCD/brightness, but those files no longer exist, and I cannot make a dir nor insert the scripts into that seciton
[20:14] <PolitikerNEU> Hello, has anyone the problem that Wireless network is disabled in nm-applet an it cannot be enabled?
[20:15] <intok> Not again... hadn't updated the beta in a few days but just  did, and now I lost sound from my logitech PS2 usb headset, I have it set in the sound prefs as well as in multimedia systems selector and still no joy...
[20:15] <anilalur> wake up doesn't work, it abruptly shutdown , how can I debug ?
[20:17] <Delvien> anilalur, when you boot back into ubuntu, it should give you a bug report
[20:17] <Delvien> anilalur, if not, check dmesg and search launchpad for similar messages with karmic
[20:20] <gorthaug> hi
[20:24] <gorthaug> when i try to log in Gnome it say me "Installation Problem: not installed correctly the power manager settings" and drop me to a rudimentary gdm log window... what can i do?
[20:25] <arand> Removing rtkit to upgrade pulseaudio, sane and safe thing to do?
[20:29] <Pepel> àó
[20:29] <Pepel> ïðèâåò âñåì
[20:31] <zen|tao> I agree with Pepel ;P
[20:31] <aliendude5300> As some of you may remember, a few days ago, I said that I had an extreme performance regression in Karmic, and my system randomly locked up. That is still happening, however, after doing some research, I think I may know why... The problem is in the process called gvfs-metadata. Prior to my system freezing, I notice that gvfs-metadata is using around 1.7GB of RAM. It starts to take up as much RAM as it can as soon a
[20:31] <aliendude5300> s I log in... and once it crashes, and terminates, the system returns to an almost stable state, until the problem randomly occurs again. This happens quite frequently... I have no idea what I should do.
[20:32] <aliendude5300> The issue is still occuring after a full fsck on my linux partition, and installing ALL available updates.
[20:35] <spotter> any idea why I don't have sound in flash anymore?
[20:36] <Pepel> ау
[20:36] <Pepel> help me
[20:37]  * Pepel aykaet
[20:37] <Pici> Pepel: Don't do that please.
[20:39] <spotter> what package provides the volume control applet?
[20:39] <spotter> I don't see it anywhere
[20:41] <larsemil> question: in 9.04 as i connected my phone the computer asked me what provider i called with and set it up as a modem automagicly. In 9.10 i did not have that at all(neither in 9.04 after upgrading to kde 4.3) is there a fix for this?
[20:41] <Pici> spotter: gnome-volume-control-pulse perhaps?
[20:42] <spotter> not available
[20:42] <spotter> not in the archive anymore
[20:42] <spotter> thats what I would have thought though
[20:43] <spotter> any other ideas?
[20:44] <spotter> hmm, never mind, found it
[20:44] <spotter> for some reason wasn't inthe list of things to add, ran it manually
[20:47] <muri_one> hurray. they finally fixed the workspace switcher to work with non metacity window managers
[20:47] <KnifeySpooney> For the past two days, I've been getting a warning about a partial upgrade so I just decided to wait another day, but it keeps telling me the same thing. The only package being removed is 'rtkit'. Do I need this?
[20:48] <Delvien> How do i change the LCD brightness by command line?
[20:48] <maco> go ahead and remove it
[20:48] <KnifeySpooney> maco: so it won't hurt anything?
[20:48] <maco> KnifeySpooney: it was installed before but isnt supported by the kernel, so now theyre trying to push it back out
[20:48] <maco> yeah theres no kernel support for it, so its been installed and doing nothing
[20:49] <KnifeySpooney> Ok. Thanks
[20:50] <larsemil> question: in 9.04 as i connected my phone the computer asked me what provider i called with and set it up as a modem automagicly. In 9.10 i did not have that at all(neither in 9.04 after upgrading to kde 4.3) is there a fix for this?
[20:51] <muri_one> damn, I installed kubuntu-desktop to try it out. I was hoping when I removed it would mark the packages it pulled for autoremoval.
[20:52] <KnifeySpooney> maco: I installed the upgrade and now it's asking me if i want to remove the obsolete package "gnome-app-install". Is this ok to remove too?
[20:52] <maco> i dont know what that is
[20:52] <KnifeySpooney> ok
[20:52]  * maco not a gnome user
[20:52] <KnifeySpooney> ah
[20:52] <maco> i THINK its the add/remove thats being replaced with the software center
[20:53] <KnifeySpooney> ah
[20:53] <KnifeySpooney> maco: yep, just checked if it was that program and it is. thanks.
[20:56] <Twigathy> will `grub-install' still work with grub2?
[20:58] <shentino> Has anyone besides me had trouble using ext4?
[20:58] <vistakiller> what happen with akregator with the last patch crashes
[20:58] <vistakiller> i try to remove it before with --purge
[20:58] <vistakiller> he works fine
[20:59] <vistakiller> but now is crashes again
[20:59] <muri_one> shentino: people have had none ubuntu specific trouble.. I have never had any myself. You probably need to be more specific
[21:00] <Twigathy> I'm using ext4 on a CompactFlash card ^_^
[21:00] <coz_> vistakiller,  akregator is on kde right?
[21:00] <vistakiller> yes
[21:00] <Twigathy> Going to probably burn through the write cycles with the journal though, heh
[21:00] <vistakiller> kubuntu have many problems in karmic
[21:01] <vistakiller> too many error report
[21:01] <coz_> vistakiller,  mm  I dont use kde any longer  and it may well be a kde/ubuntu issue
[21:01] <vistakiller> but it works fine before one day
[21:01] <coz_> vistakiller,  it could also be that karmic is still in beta and these things should be expected until release
[21:02] <coz_> vistakiller,  the sensible thing would now be to open akregator with the terminal.... watch for the errors and report them on the bug site
[21:02] <vistakiller> wait i have an update for akregator
[21:02] <shentino> ok, my current problem with ext4, both on karmic beta AND jaunty, is sporadic corruption.  I recently had to give up on it when a spate of errors of somesort knocked out the fs journal, and once fsck got done mopping up after the journal getting nuked (with live changes still inside), I had to rummage around in lost+found to get my data back
[21:02] <shentino> yecch
[21:03] <coz_> shentino,  yikes
[21:03] <shentino> yeah
[21:03] <shentino> somehow my ext4 journal got borked while there were live changes still uncommitted.
[21:03] <shentino> you can guess what a big mess that would create
[21:04] <coz_> shentino,  for sure... I am  using karmic as we speak and have had no problems so far as   ext4 is concerned  so this is somewhat puzzling
[21:05] <shentino> Well the actual "mother of all borks" happened under jaunty.  I'm curious if there were any major bugfixes to ext4 that would be unique to karmic
[21:05] <coz_> shentino,  I cant answer that but I am sure someone else here can
[21:06] <coz_> shentino,  I am still getting up to speed with grub2 :)
[21:06] <shentino> no prob
[21:06] <mbeierl> anyone know if ip forwarding or masq has changed between 9.04 and 9.10?  my vmware workstation no longer seems to be able to use NAT
[21:06] <shentino> I'm just, well, not keen on trusting ext4 until I'm sure that I hit old cruft that has since probably been fixed
[21:10] <PolitikerNEU> Hello, has anyone the problem that Wireless network is disabled in nm-applet an it cannot be enabled?
[21:11] <fluvvell> mbeierl, I don't know about vmware as much but with virtualbox you needed to update the kernel code when you installed a new kernel
[21:16] <vistakiller> the problem still exist
[21:17] <vistakiller> i have this error when the akregator crash file retriever error: 114
[21:18] <vistakiller> what is this error that have akregator
[21:18] <vistakiller> too many error with file retriever
[21:19] <vistakiller> and after it crash
[21:20] <webbb82>  after installing flashplugin-installer  would ioi have to logout and then backin to get it to work
[21:21] <wirechief> Ubuntu karmic daily boots to blank screen, how do i configure x so it will boot to desktop
[21:22] <wirechief> hmm maybe a boot cheat is in order...
[21:23] <topyli> webbb82, no
[21:28] <mbeierl> fluvvell: thanks - I am up to date with the kernel mods, it's just that for some reason I am no longer able to do nat stuff
[21:29] <mbeierl> is it still not possible to turn off ipv6 in karmic?
[21:29] <kane77> ubuntu one seems to work :)
[21:30] <shentino> mbeierl:  Is v6 support compiled into the karmic kernel by default?
[21:37] <vistakiller> anyone else running kubuntu karmic?
[21:39] <vistakiller> anyone else running kubuntu karmic in earth??
[21:39] <larsemil> yes
[21:40] <vistakiller> larsemil akregator is working in your system?
[21:46] <BluesKaj> akregator works on mine
[21:46] <vistakiller> hmm
[21:46] <vistakiller> i just remove the akregator file from .kde/apps
[21:46] <vistakiller> and after i have import my rss manual
[21:46] <BluesKaj> <---kubuntu karmic 64bit beta
[21:47] <vistakiller> it works now
[21:47] <vistakiller> same here BluesKaj
[21:47] <Ian_Corne> Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/libjaxp1.3-java_1.3.04-5ubuntu1_i386.deb
[21:47] <Ian_Corne> hmmm
[21:47] <Ian_Corne> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libjaxp1.3-java_1.3.04-5ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/share/java/xml-apis.jar', which is also in package libxalan2-java 0:2.7.1-2ubuntu1
[21:49] <BluesKaj> trying to install java ?
[21:49] <vistakiller> thanks BleusKaj :) for your support
[21:51]  * BluesKaj shrugs
[21:52] <lotia> anyone here experiencing the screen brightness bug that causes the brightness to jump up and down for a while after boot
[21:53] <lotia> with karmic that is. i experienced it with the netbook remix
[21:54] <dupondje> sending files disabled in Empathy ?
[21:56] <alanp> I recently upgraded to Karmic from Jaunty.  When I click the Application Launcher, for some reason it aligns at the TOP LEFT of the screen instead of the bottom left.  My desktop is completely broken with a grey and white checkered background that has no functionality.  Also, no open applications add themselves to the task bar.  What's going on?
[21:56] <alanp> This is kubuntu
[21:57] <shentino> heh
[21:57] <addisonj> hello, just upgraded, my vmware workstation got broked, trying to rebuild modules, which fails
[21:58] <shentino> after my e4 crash I tried to reinstall jaunty...but the CD was bad so now I'm bumped all the way back down to hardy :P
[22:00] <mzz> alanp: no kde here, but it sounds like removing and re-adding the relevant elements to the panel might be worth a shot. And if that doesn't help I'd see if the same thing happens in a fresh user account.
[22:01] <dupondje> dude, Empathy is going to Replace pidgin? But file transfer doesn't work ? Chats doesn't get shown directly, users logging in doesn't work it crashes at random ? ...
[22:02]  * mzz is weird and doesn't use either
[22:02] <mzz> dupondje: in general I'd say file bugs if there aren't any yet
[22:02] <joaopinto> dupondje, it will replace at some point it time
[22:03] <dupondje> so nobody can send files with it ?$
[22:03] <mzz> dupondje: pidgin's still there if you want it, but this is one of the things in karmic that I think it's really desirable to give feedback (bug reports) on so it'll work better in the next (lts) ubuntu
[22:03] <shentino> I'll be happy as long as IRC channels belonging to two different networks are properly segregated ala konversation
[22:04] <dupondje> It is possible to send files only using the following services: Jabber,
[22:04] <dupondje>        Google Talk and People Nearby.
[22:04] <dupondje>     
[22:04] <Monika|K> today's update say it wants to remove ktorrent, that seems strange to me ... is that okay?
[22:04] <dupondje> lol :)
[22:04]  * mzz wants to try to hack something up that gives him empathy-style notifications on top of his usual irssi irc clietn
[22:04] <mzz> client, even
[22:05] <dupondje> btw, anybody else finds the networkmanager icon damn ugly ? ;)
[22:06] <mzz> the gray one? I kinda like it
[22:06] <dupondje> its not gray ...
[22:06] <mzz> which one then?
[22:06] <dupondje> black with grey border
[22:06] <joaopinto> I didn't liked it at the beginnning, it looked disabled, now I am used to it
[22:06] <dupondje> like a UTP plug ...
[22:06] <dupondje> :)
[22:06] <joaopinto> it's grey for me
[22:06] <mzz> it's grey with a transparent background here
[22:06] <joaopinto> same here
[22:07] <mzz> but I messed around with the theming a little. Lemme boot that laptop and screenshot it.
[22:07] <dupondje> what icon set ?
[22:07] <mzz> humanity-dark
[22:07] <mzz> but humanity's the same with a different shade of gray
[22:07] <dupondje> btw about bug reporting, reported a extremely annoying bug in karmic https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/391035
[22:07] <dupondje> and will never get fixed it seems
[22:08] <mzz> basically I took the standard human/humanity theme and made the panel background dark (which meant forcing the text displayed on it to be light)
[22:08] <dupondje> Human looks bad
[22:09] <dupondje> Humanity is nice, but doesn't fit with other icons then :s
[22:10] <joaopinto> no one uses aptitude :P
[22:12] <mzz> http://129.125.102.164/m/hacked-up-theme.png is my slightly tweaked panel
[22:14] <mzz> does that have the same networkmanager icon that bugs you?
[22:16] <dupondje> no, that Humanity
[22:16] <dupondje> try Human theme :)
[22:17] <dupondje> then you'll have a quite ugly icon ;)
[22:19] <Twigathy> http://www.uploadthis.co.uk/uploads/twigathy/karmicdesktop-twigathy-2009-10-19.png <-- my current desktop, complete with a big black square for no reason. Thanks a lot nvidia drivers!
[22:20] <Twigathy> (It all displays fine onscreen, but screenshots don't always work)
[22:20] <BUGabundo> hey guys and galls
[22:20]  * BUGabundo tickels Twigathy
[22:20]  * Twigathy explodes
[22:21] <addisonj> anyone using vmware workstation and getting it to work:?
[22:21] <Twigathy> hey BUGabundo, you might know this. I installed Karmic to a 500GB disk, then copied it to a 16GB CompactFlash using gparted. How do I make grub2 work on the new boot disk? Right now I have to have the 500G one plugged in to boot the 16G disk and it's just silly...
[22:23] <BUGabundo> (re)install grub on the CF
[22:23] <Twigathy> does grub-install still work?
[22:23] <mzz> Twigathy: just running "grub-install /dev/sd<whateverthecfis>" might do the trick
[22:23] <legend2440> in jaunty there was a fsck progress bar and i presume if there were errors it would be reported on that screen also. how would you know if there were any fsck errors with karmic? it works in the background
[22:24] <Twigathy> I'll give it a go :)
[22:24] <mzz> Twigathy: I've run grub 2's grub-install exactly once though, so no guarantees on that one
[22:24] <Twigathy> *grin* ok
[22:24] <mzz> (once manually, that is. The installer and/or other tools might also be running it)
[22:25] <mzz> legend2440: bug 446596 (and notice "fix committed")
[22:25] <dupondje> where can I find the svn repo from aptitude?
[22:25] <legend2440> mzz: ok thanks
[22:26] <mzz> grr
[22:26] <mzz> apparently I have the wrong kind of fingers to use a touchpad. Does anyone have any spares (either better fingers or a touchpad less sensitive to dirt or whatever it is)?
[22:27] <bjsnider> mzz, is that what they call a rhetorical question?
[22:27] <bjsnider> or do you want someone to chop off their fingers?
[22:27] <mzz> yeah, I'm not sure how the spare fingers thing would work myself
[22:28] <mzz> hmm, perhaps there's a sensitivity knob in the driver I can tweak
[22:28] <rob0> mmm, finger sandwiches!
[22:29] <rob0> Those go well with Wendy's chili, I hear. :)
[22:31]  * Twigathy tries a reboot...
[22:32] <Heikki123> hey, i just installed my printer to karmic and i saw that if i share it in internet, it will be shared without password protection
[22:32] <Heikki123> by default
[22:32] <Heikki123> imho it should be "authenticated" mode by default
[22:33] <Twigathy> wahey, it worked
[22:34] <Twigathy> thanks all :)
[22:34] <rob0> What would the default password be? And how is having a default password any better than having no password?
[22:35] <mzz> also why would you share your printer to the internet
[22:35] <jemark> :)
[22:36] <Heikki123> rob0: no default password of course. it is using the system user passwords
[22:37] <Heikki123> mzz: because i am printing from my laptop thru wlan
[22:37] <Heikki123> rob0: and i never said default password
[22:37] <rob0> Oh, I guess you're talking about CUPS?
[22:38] <Heikki123> yea
[22:38] <Heikki123> what did you think i was talking about then? :)
[22:39] <rob0> How much does Ubuntu customize CUPS?
[22:39] <Heikki123> dunno
[22:40] <Heikki123> i think not so much
[22:40] <Heikki123> if at all
[22:40] <Heikki123> or, well... anyhow
[22:44] <nicklas_> hello, anyone knows why they have changed from pidgin to empathy in the new ubuntu that is coming? and are there any other changes?
[22:45] <Heikki123> nicklas_: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/720iq/empathy_vs_pidginwill_empathy_replace_pidgin_in/
[22:53] <huff42> hello, I'm curious if anyone might know a fix for the wireless problem with moblin and the msi wind netbook?
[22:53] <vvarder> Hi all, quick question.  When booting from the Beta Live CD (via a USB key created by Ubuntu) I get a screen with just a computer icon, and it says "ubuntu".  If I click on that, it says "ubuntu karmic (development branch)".  I want to test via the live cd to confirm a bug has been fixed, am I missing something obvious?
[22:53] <FunnyLookinHat> vvarder, stfu.
[22:54] <histo> Is there a way to remove the obsolete packages that apt shows when you do an update?
[22:55] <davisc> apt-get autoremove
[22:55] <histo> I ran a sudo aptitude update earlier and it said several pacakges where obsolete after it updated the repos
[22:55] <histo> davisc: autoremove won't get rid of them. its mostly old kernels that are installed but now its not complaining about them.
[22:55] <histo> This is odd behavior
[22:57] <rob0> apt-get needs a rid-of command :)
[22:57] <shentino> ...don't be rude
[22:58] <histo> I guess I could run aptitude and see if it lists them there.
[22:58] <vvarder> FunnyLookinHat has suggested it might be the USB key, I shall format and try again
[23:02] <shentino> histo:  I noticed that myself
[23:02] <shentino> My guess is:  That the kernel is so ubercritical that it leaves behind obsolete versions on purpose for you to fall back on if something goes screwy
[23:02] <shentino> kinda like driver rollback in windows
[23:03] <mzz> I don't really care for that feature myself, although it hasn't bugged me enough for me to find out how to turn it off
[23:03] <voidmage> Has the mouse clicks not registering in flash been fixed yet?
[23:03] <mzz> my reasoning is that there's at least a handful of other packages that would leave the system at least as unusable as a broken kernel
[23:03] <NinjaPlimsolls> is the PPA keyserver down for anyone else here?
[23:03] <NinjaPlimsolls> i cant auth
[23:03] <nemo> mzz: any that keep you from getting to busybox? :)
[23:03] <mzz> arguably more so, because if I can't chroot in it's harder to fix stuff than if the main kernel doesn't boot
[23:04] <mzz> nemo: well, busybox itself was the main one on my list
[23:04] <nemo> mzz: also, doesn't Computer Janitor offer to clean up obsolete kernels?
[23:04] <nemo> heh
[23:04] <mzz> nemo: also most stuff that goes in initramfs, since my root is on lvm
[23:04] <mzz> so that's at the very least busybox and lvm, and I suspect there are more
[23:04] <nemo> mzz: fortunately busybox doesn't change much
[23:04] <mzz> oh, and grub
[23:05] <nemo> mzz: I do agree upgrading grub can be super bad times.
[23:05] <nemo> however, still happens a lot less often than kernel
[23:06]  * NinjaPlimsolls waits
[23:06] <mzz> I haven't had ubuntu kernels fail catastrophically yet, but I'm still relatively new to the system
[23:06] <nemo> mzz: I've had to roll back several times w/ karmic
[23:07] <mzz> NinjaPlimsolls: the ppa what?
[23:07] <histo> nemo: aptitude will do it but you have to use the interface it won't do it from cli
[23:07] <mzz> NinjaPlimsolls: I was assuming "the ppa keyserver" was keyserver.ubuntu.com, but that doesn't fit with "I can't auth"
[23:08] <mzz> I've been apt-get purge-ing stale kernels by hand, but iirc computer janitor does offer to do it too
[23:08] <NinjaPlimsolls> using sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 7558DD0 nothing happens
[23:08] <voidmage> that's a weird workaround for the flash mouse bug
[23:08] <NinjaPlimsolls> it sits for 40-50 seconds then says it timed out
[23:08] <mzz> NinjaPlimsolls: that looks like a typo
[23:09] <mzz> specifically, iirc key ids are normally 8 chars long
[23:09] <NinjaPlimsolls> uh, no, I copied it from the PPA website
[23:09] <NinjaPlimsolls> oh, a 7 is missing from the copied text
[23:09] <NinjaPlimsolls> still doesnt do anything
[23:10] <mzz> NinjaPlimsolls: where?
[23:10] <hipitihop> if I were to install clean on a machine from a current bet live cd, will I be able to do just uptdate && upgrade when final release or will I need to completely reinstall
[23:10] <NinjaPlimsolls> does the keyserver use a specific port number?
[23:10] <histo> hipitihop: yes just update it
[23:10] <mzz> NinjaPlimsolls: I'll try here, but I'd prefer to use the same key id
[23:10] <NinjaPlimsolls> aah its ok, just turned on DMZ on my router and it imported the key :P
[23:10] <histo> hipitihop: you can also download a daily build to be current as of today
[23:10] <NinjaPlimsolls> silly NAT firewall
[23:10] <mzz> hmm, weird
[23:11] <mzz> I wasn't aware of keyserver communication being an annoying protocol for NAT to handle
[23:11]  * NinjaPlimsolls shrugs
[23:11] <NinjaPlimsolls> working now
[23:11] <hipitihop> histo: thanks, link to daily build ?
[23:11] <vistakiller> what is the best antispam filter to put in kmail?
[23:15] <koshari> will the desktop live disc be ready come showtime?
[23:16] <NinjaPlimsolls> mzz
[23:17] <NinjaPlimsolls> ok, ive got the key now, but I cant see the ppa repo in my origin list in Synaptic, any idea why its not there?
[23:17] <mzz> did you add it to sources.list?
[23:17] <NinjaPlimsolls> yup
[23:17] <mzz> and did you apt-get update?
[23:17] <NinjaPlimsolls> yup :)
[23:17] <mzz> (or click the equivalent button in synaptic)
[23:17] <mzz> and did that succeed?
[23:18] <NinjaPlimsolls> .....yup ;)
[23:18] <mzz> then I don't know and I'd try to manually install something (or apt-cache show something) that's supposed to be in the ppa
[23:18] <mzz> (I don't normally use synaptic, I don't know if there's a synaptic-specific step I'm overlooking)
[23:18] <NinjaPlimsolls> i added the gnome-do ppa
[23:28] <kevin123> hey
[23:28] <kevin123> how do i get to advanced osund settings?
[23:28] <kevin123> i need to turn my mic up, or enable it for that matter
[23:28] <kevin123> *sound
[23:28] <siegie> Sometimes when i close kontact, it's still there in ps aux. The result is that i can't start kontact again.
[23:32] <hsarci_> so im not really sure what happened but whenever i boot now im presented with a graphical terminal that is in a small framless static windows on the top lefthand corner and the rest of my screen is black
[23:33] <delight> I got a little problem with karmic ... just wanted to ask if somebody else experienced similiar problems
[23:34] <hsarci_> !does anyone | delight
[23:34] <hsarci_> oops
[23:34] <hsarci_> lol
[23:34] <hsarci_> !anyone | delight
[23:36] <delight> I use 64bit karmic + sun-jdk6 ... when i tryed using eclipse 3.5.1 64bit from eclipse.org I experienced problems  clicking on the buttons of the dialogs ... create new java-project for example
[23:36] <delight> it would only "click" a button by usind the space-bar instead of trying to click with the mouse
[23:37] <mzz> bug 442078 perhaps?
[23:37] <delight> I'll have a look ;) and add my experience if not ;)
[23:37] <delight> thanks
[23:38] <histo> hipitihop: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[23:40] <histo> hipitihop: thats teh alternative install
[23:40] <Berzerker> is there a way to keep sound flowing the my sound system so it doesn't have lag in detecting sound? Logitech Z-5500s with an X-Fi
[23:40] <histo> hipitihop: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ is the live cd
[23:42] <xrandr> so, who has success stories for 9.10?
[23:43] <BUGabundo> xrandr: mine has been working for 5,5 months
[23:43] <Berzerker> xrandr, no problems here, on a desktop and UNR
[23:43] <BUGabundo> I consider that a success
[23:43] <xrandr> How good is the nvidia support for it? I went from 8.04 with good nvidia support to 9.04 with horrible support. I used to have 1920x1280 resolution on 8.04. On 9.04 i can get 1600x1200 max without it looking all messed up
[23:44] <BUGabundo> nvidia close source driver
[23:44] <BUGabundo> *always* worked good for me
[23:44] <Berzerker> 185 works fine for me.
[23:44] <BUGabundo> and seem really nice now
[23:44] <BUGabundo> even on multi monitor
[23:44] <BUGabundo> or even projectors
[23:45] <xrandr> I had to fight to get the 1600x1200 resolution
[23:45] <xrandr> tho fighting consisted of plugging in the DVI cable
[23:45] <xrandr> but im on VGA. I don't like the HDMi->DVI conversion (thats the cable i had)
[23:45] <BUGabundo> xrandr: tip: $ xrandr --auto
[23:45] <BUGabundo> is a life saver
[23:46] <hipitihop> histo, thanks, downloading now.
[23:46] <rob0> haha I was thinking the same thing
[23:46] <xrandr> well, im downloading 9.10 now
[23:46] <Berzerker> xrandr, HDMI -> DVI conversion is not really conversion.
[23:46] <Berzerker> it's just a change of connectors.
[23:46] <xrandr> we'll see how it goes. It's gonna be a fresh install
[23:46] <Berzerker> since HDMI = DVI + S/PDIF
[23:48] <xrandr> let
[23:48] <xrandr> let's see what xrandr --auto does now :)
[23:48] <xrandr> absolutely nothing :)
[23:48] <xrandr> screen didn't even flicker
[23:48] <BUGabundo> guess there's nothing to be done
[23:48] <BUGabundo> usualy it updates all devices
[23:49] <BUGabundo> and turns them on
[23:49] <xrandr> yeh, but as i said... 8.04 i had 1920,x1280 resolution. In 9.04 i only have 1600x1200  (which isn't horrible)
[23:50] <hsarci_> whats the name of the applet in the top right with username and a powerbutton icon???
[23:51] <BUGabundo> xrandr: pleanty of drivers and X options for you now
[23:51] <BUGabundo> just take a look at x-squad PPAs
[23:51] <BUGabundo> yes plural
[23:52] <xrandr> BUGabundo: what are they?
[23:52] <BUGabundo> grr
[23:52] <BUGabundo> not sure
[23:52] <hsarci_> whats the name of the applet in the top right with username and a powerbutton icon??? please someone just look at there applet list
[23:52] <BUGabundo> need to google them :)
[23:52] <BUGabundo> hsarci_: FUSA
[23:52] <legend2440> hsarci_: indicator applet session
[23:53]  * xrandr does like the new KDE desktop though :)
[23:53] <hsarci_> thanks..
[23:53] <mzz> hsarci_: FUSA is the old (up to jaunty) one, indicator applet session is the new (karmic) one
[23:53] <hsarci_> thanks guys
[23:53] <xrandr> I've always been torn between KDE and GNOME. So I use both :)
[23:54] <mzz> also, am I the only one who thinks having the username in there is annoying? I got rid of it here
[23:54] <t0s> yeah i always thought the name went there not username
[23:54] <t0s> how do u get rid of it mzz?
[23:54] <mzz> well, my full name is in the menu that shows up when I click the button, which I'm ok with
[23:55] <mzz> t0s: I patched indicator-session :)
[23:55] <t0s> o
[23:55] <hsarci_> i just feel like the top bar is wasted space so i like to have things up there even if i dont use them much
[23:56] <mzz> hsarci_: I tend to get rid of one of the two panels, so I need the space (or I am left with a really tiny windowlist)
[23:57] <hsarci_> what i really want is a spotlight-ish quick search...or even a search box that is simply embeeed into the panel in a flush-like way
[23:57] <mzz> I'm also considering hacking up gnome-panel to get rid of the "System" menu
[23:57] <mzz> hsarci_: assuming you tried deskbar-applet and it didn't quite do what you need?
[23:58] <hsarci_> yeah...
[23:58] <nemo> mzz: I renamed my combined menu
[23:58] <nemo> to Apps/Locs/Sys
[23:58] <mikehh> I can not get my numeric keypad to work in 9.10 beta (updated) amd64 - it works in 9.04 - any ideas?
[23:58] <nemo> mzz: took up way less space
[23:59] <nemo> mzz: I also reduced the height of top nav to 20px
[23:59] <mzz> nemo: I got rid of "Applications" completely, it's just an icon now (it's right in the corner, so it's not like it has to be large to hit it)
[23:59] <nemo> which required rescaling the ubuntu logo
[23:59] <nemo> mzz: oh. I wanted the 3 menus still.
[23:59] <legend2440> mikehh: try  shift+numlock key
[23:59] <nemo> mzz: I didn't care for the combined menu
[23:59] <mzz> nemo: I do still have three menus, but the left one is just an icon
[23:59] <nemo> ah. gotcha
[23:59] <nemo> hm
[23:59] <nemo> mzz: you know. that makes sense...
[23:59] <nemo> good idea :)