* MenZa mumbles something incomprehensible.00:22
MenZa!helpercookie is <alias> !cookie00:32
ubottuIn #ubuntu-ops, MenZa said: !helpercookie is <alias> !cookie00:32
Flannel!helpersnack | MenZa02:26
ubottuMenZa: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!02:26
* nalioth steals all the cookies02:27
mneptok!ops | #ubuntu: Channel ban list is full08:24
ubottu#ubuntu: Channel ban list is full: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) -  elky,  imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, Madpilot, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso,  PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow, nickrud, jpds, bazhang, jussi01, Flannel or ikonia!08:24
ubottumneptok called the ops in #ubuntu-ops (#ubuntu: Channel ban list is full)08:24
KB1JWQThat's not good.08:30
jussi01KB1JWQ: happens from time to time, mostly because of the floodbots.08:31
jussi01but also because ops forget to remove bans.08:31
KB1JWQWhat's the solution, age it out?08:31
jussi01we clean it from time to time, myrtti has a great script which identifies who owns the bans08:32
KB1JWQWasn't aware it was possible to ascertain who set chanserv bans...08:32
jussi01Myrtti: thanks08:32
MyrttiHTH, HAND08:32
KB1JWQAnd speak of the devil.08:32
jussi01KB1JWQ: I asked her for it :)08:33
KB1JWQWow, I have an entry?  How'd I screw that one up?08:34
KB1JWQSorry about that.08:34
jussi01KB1JWQ: hehe08:37
* jussi01 wonders who vox is...08:37
* jussi01 looks08:37
jussi01oh, a staffer.08:38
jussi01KB1JWQ: perhaps you can get the staffers to look at their bans there and see if still appropriate?08:38
KB1JWQI'll mention it.08:39
KB1JWQjussi01: Pung the relevant staffers, but ikonia needs to get with the program. :-)08:41
jussi01KB1JWQ: what makes you say that?08:42
KB1JWQjussi01: Next to floodbots and chanserv, s/he's the most prolific.08:43
KB1JWQStaffers have maybe 15 between 'em.08:43
jussi01KB1JWQ: err, there are several people with similar amounts....08:45
KB1JWQjussi01: I 'spose. Are some of these persistent abusers, or would a mass clearing of the banlist work?08:46
jussi01KB1JWQ: some are persistant. we dont generally "mass clear" things without looking closely.08:47
KB1JWQMy approach would potentially be to "clear it all, and then watch carefully for people who need to be re-banned," but I may be naive regarding this. :-)08:48
* jussi01 hugs KB1JWQ. 08:48
* KB1JWQ goes "squee!"08:49
KB1JWQBut probably 90% or more of those issues are long gone I'd figure.  I'd rather have to reban someone than not be able to ban someone who sorely needs it.08:50
jussi01KB1JWQ: yeah, true. however, theres also an acountability thing here. ops need to be responsible for their bans - and so while I agree the process needs to be updated, I dont think a mass unban is on the cards.08:51
KB1JWQI 'spose there's no mechanism to disallow permanent bans and require a timeperiod be givn (that defaults to a day, week, or whatever)...08:52
jussi01KB1JWQ: sorry, I got to run, maybe some others can talk further...08:56
elkythe problem with those is that the user will usually come back none the wiser as to what they did wrong in the first plac08:56
KB1JWQelky: Right, but I had a ban set that I've removed.  If the user came forward with "Why did you ban me," my answer would be "lolwhut?"08:58
elkywhich means they're likely to just do the same thing again09:00
mneptokwildcard nick!ident bans with raw IPs would be my forst choice for removal09:04
KB1JWQmneptok: yeah, I'd agree.  Although really, I'd say anything older than a week is likely eligible for "sod it, welcome back."09:05
KB1JWQIdeally users can reform.09:05
mneptokKB1JWQ: can i live in your little fantasy? seems more pleasant than this "reality" gig.09:06
elkymneptok, it's the koolaid.09:12
mneptokit's easy to sing "all we are saying is give peace a chance" when you have an o: line in your pocket :P09:14
topyliit's all we are saying, man!09:30
ubottuTo install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre or sun-java6-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu !Dapper11:44
jussi01thoughts on whether we still need the dapper part?11:44
topylikubuntu dapper is dead isn't it?11:58
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jussi01!no, java-#kubuntu is <reply>To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre or sun-java6-jre from the !Multiverse repository.13:29
ubottuI'll remember that jussi0113:29
ikoniaeyeballs on Guest7620913:49
Picijussi01: Why do we need a separate factoid for kubuntu java?13:56
jpdsWhy are we suggesting the usage of Sun's Java when it's been removed from the archive?13:58
jussi01!info sun-java6-jre karmic13:59
ubottusun-java6-jre (source: sun-java6): Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture independent files). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 6-15-1 (karmic), package size 6270 kB, installed size 14360 kB (Only available for all amd64 i386 lpia ia64)13:59
jussi01jpds: come again?13:59
jpdsjussi01: ...soonish.13:59
jpdsConsidering Sun are dropping support for it next month.14:00
jussi01!forget java-#kubuntu14:00
ubottuI'll forget that, jussi0114:00
ubottuTo install a Java runtime/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java6-jre from the !Multiverse repository14:00
jpdsjussi01: http://www.outflux.net/blog/archives/2009/09/12/uninstall-sun-java6/14:01
jussi01jpds: given my girlfriends bank only accepts sun-java, I wonder how thatlly be dealt with...14:02
Tm_Tjussi01: see sampopankki.fi now...14:02
jussi01Tm_T: The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading. :/14:03
Tm_Twell, the whole site is "down" so I wouldn't worry about java right now (;)14:04
Garytidied my ban, was it only one?14:14
ubottuIn #ubuntu+1, Dr_Willis said: !nvidia is the factoid14:15
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Picipoodle mixes18:50

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