[00:22] * MenZa mumbles something incomprehensible. [00:32] !helpercookie is !cookie [00:32] In #ubuntu-ops, MenZa said: !helpercookie is !cookie [02:26] !helpersnack | MenZa [02:26] MenZa: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie! [02:27] * nalioth steals all the cookies [08:24] !ops | #ubuntu: Channel ban list is full [08:24] #ubuntu: Channel ban list is full: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - elky, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, Madpilot, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow, nickrud, jpds, bazhang, jussi01, Flannel or ikonia! [08:24] mneptok called the ops in #ubuntu-ops (#ubuntu: Channel ban list is full) [08:30] That's not good. [08:31] KB1JWQ: happens from time to time, mostly because of the floodbots. [08:31] Ahhh. [08:31] but also because ops forget to remove bans. [08:31] What's the solution, age it out? [08:32] we clean it from time to time, myrtti has a great script which identifies who owns the bans [08:32] http://paste.ubuntu.com/296653/ [08:32] Wasn't aware it was possible to ascertain who set chanserv bans... [08:32] Myrtti: thanks [08:32] HTH, HAND [08:32] And speak of the devil. [08:33] KB1JWQ: I asked her for it :) [08:34] Wow, I have an entry? How'd I screw that one up? [08:34] Sorry about that. [08:37] KB1JWQ: hehe [08:37] * jussi01 wonders who vox is... [08:37] * jussi01 looks [08:38] oh, a staffer. [08:38] KB1JWQ: perhaps you can get the staffers to look at their bans there and see if still appropriate? [08:39] I'll mention it. [08:41] jussi01: Pung the relevant staffers, but ikonia needs to get with the program. :-) [08:42] KB1JWQ: what makes you say that? [08:43] jussi01: Next to floodbots and chanserv, s/he's the most prolific. [08:43] Staffers have maybe 15 between 'em. [08:45] KB1JWQ: err, there are several people with similar amounts.... [08:46] jussi01: I 'spose. Are some of these persistent abusers, or would a mass clearing of the banlist work? [08:47] KB1JWQ: some are persistant. we dont generally "mass clear" things without looking closely. [08:48] My approach would potentially be to "clear it all, and then watch carefully for people who need to be re-banned," but I may be naive regarding this. :-) [08:48] * jussi01 hugs KB1JWQ. [08:49] * KB1JWQ goes "squee!" [08:50] But probably 90% or more of those issues are long gone I'd figure. I'd rather have to reban someone than not be able to ban someone who sorely needs it. [08:51] KB1JWQ: yeah, true. however, theres also an acountability thing here. ops need to be responsible for their bans - and so while I agree the process needs to be updated, I dont think a mass unban is on the cards. [08:52] Ahhh... [08:52] I 'spose there's no mechanism to disallow permanent bans and require a timeperiod be givn (that defaults to a day, week, or whatever)... [08:56] KB1JWQ: sorry, I got to run, maybe some others can talk further... [08:56] the problem with those is that the user will usually come back none the wiser as to what they did wrong in the first plac [08:56] place* [08:58] elky: Right, but I had a ban set that I've removed. If the user came forward with "Why did you ban me," my answer would be "lolwhut?" [09:00] which means they're likely to just do the same thing again [09:04] wildcard nick!ident bans with raw IPs would be my forst choice for removal [09:04] *first [09:05] mneptok: yeah, I'd agree. Although really, I'd say anything older than a week is likely eligible for "sod it, welcome back." [09:05] Ideally users can reform. [09:06] KB1JWQ: can i live in your little fantasy? seems more pleasant than this "reality" gig. [09:12] mneptok, it's the koolaid. [09:14] it's easy to sing "all we are saying is give peace a chance" when you have an o: line in your pocket :P [09:30] it's all we are saying, man! [11:44] !java-#kubuntu [11:44] To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre or sun-java6-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu !Dapper [11:44] thoughts on whether we still need the dapper part? [11:58] kubuntu dapper is dead isn't it? === niko is now known as Guest44249 === [NikO] is now known as niko [13:29] !no, java-#kubuntu is To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre or sun-java6-jre from the !Multiverse repository. [13:29] I'll remember that jussi01 [13:49] eyeballs on Guest76209 [13:56] jussi01: Why do we need a separate factoid for kubuntu java? [13:58] Why are we suggesting the usage of Sun's Java when it's been removed from the archive? [13:59] !info sun-java6-jre karmic [13:59] sun-java6-jre (source: sun-java6): Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture independent files). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 6-15-1 (karmic), package size 6270 kB, installed size 14360 kB (Only available for all amd64 i386 lpia ia64) [13:59] jpds: come again? [13:59] jussi01: ...soonish. [14:00] Considering Sun are dropping support for it next month. [14:00] o.O [14:00] !forget java-#kubuntu [14:00] I'll forget that, jussi01 [14:00] !java [14:00] To install a Java runtime/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java6-jre from the !Multiverse repository [14:01] jussi01: http://www.outflux.net/blog/archives/2009/09/12/uninstall-sun-java6/ [14:02] jpds: given my girlfriends bank only accepts sun-java, I wonder how thatlly be dealt with... [14:02] jussi01: see sampopankki.fi now... [14:03] Tm_T: The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading. :/ [14:04] well, the whole site is "down" so I wouldn't worry about java right now (;) [14:04] heh [14:14] tidied my ban, was it only one? [14:15] In #ubuntu+1, Dr_Willis said: !nvidia is the factoid === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [18:49] shore-doodles? [18:50] poodle mixes