[00:22]  * MenZa mumbles something incomprehensible.
[00:32] <MenZa> !helpercookie is <alias> !cookie
[02:26] <Flannel> !helpersnack | MenZa
[02:27]  * nalioth steals all the cookies
[08:24] <mneptok> !ops | #ubuntu: Channel ban list is full
[08:30] <KB1JWQ> That's not good.
[08:31] <jussi01> KB1JWQ: happens from time to time, mostly because of the floodbots.
[08:31] <KB1JWQ> Ahhh.
[08:31] <jussi01> but also because ops forget to remove bans.
[08:31] <KB1JWQ> What's the solution, age it out?
[08:32] <jussi01> we clean it from time to time, myrtti has a great script which identifies who owns the bans
[08:32] <Myrtti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/296653/
[08:32] <KB1JWQ> Wasn't aware it was possible to ascertain who set chanserv bans...
[08:32] <jussi01> Myrtti: thanks
[08:32] <Myrtti> HTH, HAND
[08:32] <KB1JWQ> And speak of the devil.
[08:33] <jussi01> KB1JWQ: I asked her for it :)
[08:34] <KB1JWQ> Wow, I have an entry?  How'd I screw that one up?
[08:34] <KB1JWQ> Sorry about that.
[08:37] <jussi01> KB1JWQ: hehe
[08:37]  * jussi01 wonders who vox is...
[08:37]  * jussi01 looks
[08:38] <jussi01> oh, a staffer.
[08:38] <jussi01> KB1JWQ: perhaps you can get the staffers to look at their bans there and see if still appropriate?
[08:39] <KB1JWQ> I'll mention it.
[08:41] <KB1JWQ> jussi01: Pung the relevant staffers, but ikonia needs to get with the program. :-)
[08:42] <jussi01> KB1JWQ: what makes you say that?
[08:43] <KB1JWQ> jussi01: Next to floodbots and chanserv, s/he's the most prolific.
[08:43] <KB1JWQ> Staffers have maybe 15 between 'em.
[08:45] <jussi01> KB1JWQ: err, there are several people with similar amounts....
[08:46] <KB1JWQ> jussi01: I 'spose. Are some of these persistent abusers, or would a mass clearing of the banlist work?
[08:47] <jussi01> KB1JWQ: some are persistant. we dont generally "mass clear" things without looking closely.
[08:48] <KB1JWQ> My approach would potentially be to "clear it all, and then watch carefully for people who need to be re-banned," but I may be naive regarding this. :-)
[08:48]  * jussi01 hugs KB1JWQ. 
[08:49]  * KB1JWQ goes "squee!"
[08:50] <KB1JWQ> But probably 90% or more of those issues are long gone I'd figure.  I'd rather have to reban someone than not be able to ban someone who sorely needs it.
[08:51] <jussi01> KB1JWQ: yeah, true. however, theres also an acountability thing here. ops need to be responsible for their bans - and so while I agree the process needs to be updated, I dont think a mass unban is on the cards.
[08:52] <KB1JWQ> Ahhh...
[08:52] <KB1JWQ> I 'spose there's no mechanism to disallow permanent bans and require a timeperiod be givn (that defaults to a day, week, or whatever)...
[08:56] <jussi01> KB1JWQ: sorry, I got to run, maybe some others can talk further...
[08:56] <elky> the problem with those is that the user will usually come back none the wiser as to what they did wrong in the first plac
[08:56] <elky> place*
[08:58] <KB1JWQ> elky: Right, but I had a ban set that I've removed.  If the user came forward with "Why did you ban me," my answer would be "lolwhut?"
[09:00] <elky> which means they're likely to just do the same thing again
[09:04] <mneptok> wildcard nick!ident bans with raw IPs would be my forst choice for removal
[09:04] <mneptok> *first
[09:05] <KB1JWQ> mneptok: yeah, I'd agree.  Although really, I'd say anything older than a week is likely eligible for "sod it, welcome back."
[09:05] <KB1JWQ> Ideally users can reform.
[09:06] <mneptok> KB1JWQ: can i live in your little fantasy? seems more pleasant than this "reality" gig.
[09:12] <elky> mneptok, it's the koolaid.
[09:14] <mneptok> it's easy to sing "all we are saying is give peace a chance" when you have an o: line in your pocket :P
[09:30] <topyli> it's all we are saying, man!
[11:44] <jussi01> !java-#kubuntu
[11:44] <jussi01> thoughts on whether we still need the dapper part?
[11:58] <topyli> kubuntu dapper is dead isn't it?
[13:29] <jussi01> !no, java-#kubuntu is <reply>To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre or sun-java6-jre from the !Multiverse repository.
[13:49] <ikonia> eyeballs on Guest76209
[13:56] <Pici> jussi01: Why do we need a separate factoid for kubuntu java?
[13:58] <jpds> Why are we suggesting the usage of Sun's Java when it's been removed from the archive?
[13:59] <jussi01> !info sun-java6-jre karmic
[13:59] <jussi01> jpds: come again?
[13:59] <jpds> jussi01: ...soonish.
[14:00] <jpds> Considering Sun are dropping support for it next month.
[14:00] <jussi01> o.O
[14:00] <jussi01> !forget java-#kubuntu
[14:00] <jussi01> !java
[14:01] <jpds> jussi01: http://www.outflux.net/blog/archives/2009/09/12/uninstall-sun-java6/
[14:02] <jussi01> jpds: given my girlfriends bank only accepts sun-java, I wonder how thatlly be dealt with...
[14:02] <Tm_T> jussi01: see sampopankki.fi now...
[14:03] <jussi01> Tm_T: The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading. :/
[14:04] <Tm_T> well, the whole site is "down" so I wouldn't worry about java right now (;)
[14:04] <jussi01> heh
[14:14] <Gary> tidied my ban, was it only one?
[18:49] <genii> shore-doodles?
[18:50] <Pici> poodle mixes