[00:23] <LaserJock> evening all
[00:34] <Lns> hi LaserJock
[03:10] <LaserJock> so our daily build should be good tomorrow
[03:11] <LaserJock> oh wait, it should be good *now*
[03:50] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: you sure you want to retire? ;-)
[03:50] <jsgotangco> even Michael Jordan came back
[03:50] <jsgotangco> hehehe
[03:50] <jsgotangco> kidding
[03:50] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: lol
[04:01] <jbicha> LaserJock: we're still waiting on the LTSP option for the DVD?
[04:01] <LaserJock> jbicha: nope, should be in the daily from the 20th
[04:01] <jbicha> LaserJock: you mean tomorrow?
[04:02] <LaserJock> jbicha: well, it's up now
[04:02] <LaserJock> jbicha: it's the 20th in London :-)
[04:02] <jbicha> LaserJock:  yeah it's 6am on the 20th here, but LTSP isn't in today's build
[04:03] <LaserJock> jbicha: not in the F4 menu?
[04:03] <jbicha> no
[04:03] <LaserJock> hmm
[15:19] <LaserJock> \o/
[15:19] <LaserJock> we're saved and the universe is preserved :-)
[15:21] <LaserJock> we *really* need to document this
[15:21] <LaserJock> but the F4 menu changes depending on what boot option you've selected
[15:32] <sbalneav> LaserJock: :(
[15:32] <sbalneav> Had enough?
[15:33] <sbalneav> I was on the road yesterday. I didn't see it until right now.
[15:33] <LaserJock> oh, my email?
[15:33] <sbalneav> yeah
[15:34] <LaserJock> well, actually, I wouldn't say I've "had enough"
[15:34] <LaserJock> more I've had too much :-)
[15:34] <LaserJock> it's just time
[15:34] <sbalneav> yeah.
[15:34] <LaserJock> I've got a number of real life things I need to take care of
[15:35] <sbalneav> You're still coming down to maine, right?
[15:35] <LaserJock> and so I think it's time for me to become an enthusiastic user
[15:35] <LaserJock> sure!
[15:35] <LaserJock> it's retirement, not exile ;-)
[15:36] <sbalneav> ok, I'll have to get you to show me how to do the dvd stuff, I'll take that on.  I suppose I should probably go for motu now, o it'll be hard to get package fixes in.
[15:37] <LaserJock> yeah, I think it'll be time to tap into some of the broader Ubuntu sponsoring resources as well
[15:37] <LaserJock> Edubuntu has for the most part been quite internal
[15:37] <LaserJock> I'm always amazed at how willing Ubuntu devs are to lend a hand
[15:38] <LaserJock> whether that be cjwatson fixing .iso building problems, davmor2 doing .iso testing, or slangasek making sure the release is on track
[15:38] <LaserJock> I don't think it's unreasonable to ask around on #ubuntu-motu or #ubuntu-devel for help with packaging (how-to and sponsorship)
[15:40] <LaserJock> so
[15:40] <LaserJock> we're sitting pretty good for Release Candidate I think
[15:40] <LaserJock> the only issues I'm concerned about at this point are:
[15:40] <sbalneav> Well, hopefully, I can get mostly up to speed this week on packaging with yoy.
[15:41] <LaserJock> 1) when installing from the Live side Ubiquity doesn't seem to uninstall the extra packages (ubiquity itself and the unnecessary lang-packs)
[15:41] <LaserJock> cjwatson knows about the issue but is mystified as to why it's happening
[15:42] <LaserJock> 2) I'm unsure if our language support on the text-based installer side is adequate
[15:42] <LaserJock> I put on the top 10-12 used languages + greek and finnish
[15:42] <LaserJock> we're just under 3GB
[15:42] <LaserJock> I could put more on
[15:42] <LaserJock> but my primary concern is that we have full support for the languages that *are* on there
[15:47] <ogra> LaserJock, you come to BTS ?
[15:48] <sbalneav> ok
[16:01] <LaserJock> ogra: I am
[16:01] <ogra> woah, cool !
[16:02] <LaserJock> ogra: sbalneav twisted my arm :-)
[16:02] <LaserJock> ogra: he told me grand stories of Maine lobster
[16:02] <ogra> good, i owe him a beer then :)
[16:13] <LaserJock> jbicha!
[16:13] <jbicha> LaserJock: howdy
[16:13] <LaserJock> jbicha: hey, the DVD works with LTSP, we were just doing it wrong :-)
[16:13] <jbicha> happy 5 years of Ubuntu!
[16:14] <LaserJock> jbicha: you need to first select the text-based installer option in the main boot screen
[16:14] <LaserJock> jbicha: then if you hit F4 the additional options show up, including LTSP
[16:14] <jbicha> really? /me going to test
[16:16] <jbicha> LaserJock:  that is so crazy; I guess it makes sense though
[16:16] <LaserJock> jbicha: yeah, it makes sense after you think about it
[16:16] <LaserJock> we can't install LTSP frome the live installer
[16:16] <LaserJock> so it shouldn't show that as available
[16:17] <LaserJock> but it's not intuitive that the F4 menu should depend on the context
[16:17] <LaserJock> so we need to document that *really* well
[16:17] <jbicha> LaserJock: yeah, definitely in the release notes
[16:23] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Looks like we've picked up another developer with jbicha :)
[16:24] <LaserJock> sbalneav: agreed
[16:24] <jbicha> sbalneav: as long as someone has the time to mentor, I'd like to help
[16:28] <LaserJock> jbicha: just remember that #ubuntu-motu and #ubuntu-devel are there to help too
[16:28] <chang-li> hi, i installed ltsp in xubuntu-9.04 , problem- dhcp3-server is not auto starting after bootup. But starts manually.
[16:29] <sbalneav> jbicha: I know a small amount of packaging, and LaserJock's going to teach me more this weekend.  From there, I'll probably go on to motu.  If you're interested, peraps we can wander through it together :)
[16:30]  * alkisg also signs up for the free packaging lesson :D
[16:30] <sbalneav> chang-li: You might need to use update-rc.d to make sure it's started.
[16:30] <alkisg> chang-li: do you have a static ip in /etc/network/interfaces? or do you use network manager?
[16:31] <chang-li> sbalneav: i will try that. I am logged in via ssh.
[16:32] <chang-li> alkisg: static for terminal clients. Clients boot up after dhcp3 is started no problem.
[16:32] <alkisg> chang-li: I had this problem when I used network manager to assign a static ip to eth1 in my ltsp server
[16:33] <LaserJock> alkisg: can you test the DVD to make sure the greek lang packs work OK?
[16:33] <chang-li> alkisg: wan is dhcp
[16:33] <alkisg> LaserJock: I did some days ago - I'll try to download it again... damn slow adsl :(
[16:33] <LaserJock> alkisg: yeah, sorry about that. are you using rsync?
[16:34] <alkisg> Nope - I can only download at 200KB/sec no matter the protocol :)
[16:34] <chang-li> sbalneav: update-rc.d needs a missing option.
[16:35] <LaserJock> alkisg: well, but rsync means you should only have to download a little bit
[16:35] <alkisg> LaserJock: ah, does it do that even with a single .iso file? nice, I didn't know..
[16:35] <LaserJock> alkisg: yes
[16:36] <alkisg> LaserJock: do you have the command line handy?
[16:36] <LaserJock> sure
[16:36] <LaserJock> alkisg: I've got an alias so I'll paste you two things
[16:36] <LaserJock> rsynciso rsync://cdimages.ubuntu.com/cdimage/edubuntu/dvd/current/karmic-dvd-i386.iso karmic-dvd-i386.iso
[16:36] <alkisg> Merci :)
[16:37] <LaserJock> rsynciso='rsync -az --progress'
[16:37] <LaserJock> in the ubuntu-qa-tools bzr repo there some kind of cool python script to do iso downloading
[16:37] <LaserJock> but I didn't have much success with it
[16:38] <LaserJock> #ubuntu-testing might have more info on that
[16:38] <alkisg> Well if it works for you it's good enough for me :)
[16:39] <sbalneav> chang-li: you'll have to lookup what the correct parms will be.  I *think* update-rc.d dhcp3-server start   should work, but you may have to check.
[16:40] <chang-li> sbalneav: it is listed in rc2 rc3 to start. i will check.
[17:08] <chang-li> i removed references to dhcp3-server in rc.d, then reinstalled -they are now s20dhcp3-server . rebooted, Sill service does not auto start. only manually.
[17:15] <alkisg> chang-li: can you upload your /etc/network/interfaces to pastebin?
[17:15] <chang-li> alkisg: ok give me a min.
[17:18] <chang-li> alkisg: http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=d16c463a0
[17:19] <alkisg> chang-li: yes, you don't have a static ip declared there. As I was saying before, that's your problem...
[17:19] <chang-li> alkisg: it reports it in ifconfig. strange.
[17:20] <chang-li> alkisg: ok so i will add it in interfaces.
[17:20] <alkisg> chang-li: the problem is that network manager sets up the connection *after* dhcp3-server is started
[17:20] <alkisg> So you should make a "system connection" if you wanted to use nm
[17:21] <alkisg> But there's a bug preventing this to happen on systems with 2 nics
[17:21] <alkisg> So the only viable way to do it is with /etc/network/interfaces. Old ways work best... :)
[17:22] <chang-li> yea , ltsp-manager comes up blank.
[17:45] <chang-li> alkisg: I corrected /etc/network/interfaces & rebooted . dhcp3-server now starts auto. the network manager on the taskbar shows an X, and settings are blank. should I just delete that icon to avoid future problems?
[17:45] <alkisg> chang-li: network manager doesn't manage interfaces that are declared in /etc/network/interfaces, so you shouldn't have any problems either way
[17:46] <alkisg> I tend to remove network manager from servers (except for my laptop, which I also use as an ltsp server)
[17:48] <chang-li> alkisg:  Thanks  for the assistance. :)
[17:48] <alkisg> You're welcome
[17:54] <chang-li> the ltsp-manager when launched displays a blank window. I have a client connected. What should be displayed?
[17:55] <sbalneav> chang-li: ltsp-manager's broken.  Its been "dead upstream" for a bit
[17:55] <sbalneav> Use iTalc
[17:56] <chang-li> ok will try it. thanks .
[18:04] <jbicha> here's a minor quirk that is probably unimportant, but the default hostname when you use the Karmic text installer is "edubuntu", but from the live installer it is "<username>-laptop> or whatever
[18:20] <chang-li> sbalneav: I made italc keys, are you using a globalpath for public keys for the terminal clients?
[18:22] <alkisg> In LTSP, installing italc is as simple as "sudo apt-get install italc-master". No other configuration needed.
[18:23] <chang-li> I did that, but it asked to generate keys, which I then did also.
[18:23] <sbalneav> chang-li: I'm not sure, I don't use iTalc myself.
[18:23] <alkisg> ? It shouldn't be asking anything, it generates the keys automatically...
[18:24] <alkisg> ...but in any case, the ltsp clients use the same keys as the server, as they run italc from the server
[18:28] <jbicha> bug 456477 filed, I'm sure you were already aware of it
[18:31] <sbalneav> jbicha: From a personal standpoint, I know from my work with a lot of people in Brazil that internet access for some people is... spotty.  So I'd vote to make sure we get those packages on the DVD, so if you DON'T have access to the internet, we at least dont have a broken install.
[18:32] <highvolt1ge> hi everyone
[18:33] <sbalneav> Hey highvoltage
[18:37] <jbicha> sbalneav: that's fine; it's even easy enough to remove the extra languages in System>Language Support
[18:58] <fasthans> hello everybody
[18:58] <fasthans> I am new
[18:59] <fasthans> I would like to help and Scott told me to coordinate any efforts in this group
[19:07] <fasthans1> hello.... anybody here?
[19:08] <alkisg> sbalneav: ^^^ ?
[19:11] <fasthans1> hello. I am uwe geercken from germany.
[19:15] <sbalneav> Hello<!
[19:15] <sbalneav> Welcome.
[19:16] <sbalneav> fasthans1: So, you might start by telling us some of your skills
[19:17] <fasthans1> well
[19:17] <fasthans1> thanks for the welcome
[19:18] <fasthans1> I am an IT guy working for a Swiss company in Zurich as IT manager
[19:18] <sbalneav> Know any programming languages?  C? Python?
[19:18] <fasthans1> I am a programmer. I create java servlet based webapps mostly in conjunction with apache velocity and beanshell or groovy
[19:19] <fasthans1> apart from that, two hours a week I teach Linux in our local school.
[19:20] <sbalneav> Have you created an account on launchpad yet?
[19:20] <fasthans1> at work I also administer a lot of systems and currently I am building up a datawarehouse based on infobright/mysql, and pentaho
[19:21] <fasthans1> yes I do have a launchpad account but have not really used it.
[19:22] <sbalneav> ok, well one good place to start to help out would be bugsquashing.
[19:22] <sbalneav> https://launchpad.net/~edubuntu-bugs/+packagebugs
[19:22] <fasthans1> ok. let me check - or maybe you want to tell me what it is.
[19:22] <sbalneav> As well, right now, testing installs with the daily builds for testing the release would be good as well.
[19:23] <sbalneav> fasthans1: Well, those are a list of curently open bugs.
[19:23] <sbalneav> We have many different packages.
[19:24] <sbalneav> That page lists all the currently open bugs with the packages that we're installing.
[19:24] <fasthans1> hmm. I like testing installs.
[19:24] <fasthans1> I continue to wipe my computers and install something new...
[19:24] <sbalneav> Well, that would be helpful
[19:25] <fasthans1> so e.g. I see "italc in ubuntu" what do I do now
[19:25] <sbalneav> Are you subscribed to the edubuntu-users and edubuntu-devel mail groups.
[19:25] <fasthans1> yes edubuntu-users
[19:26] <sbalneav> Well, click on it, and you'll be taken to the list of currently open bugs.
[19:26] <fasthans1> its slow...
[19:26] <sbalneav> If you want to develop, edubuntu-devel is what you should be subscribed to.
[19:26] <fasthans1> ok I have the list
[19:28] <sbalneav> So from there, you can look at the bugs.  Then, I suppose, you can try to test for the bug, figure out what the problem is and then post patches or info to the bug.
[19:28] <fasthans1> tell me more about patches
[19:28] <fasthans1> you mean a verbal description of a solution or real code?
[19:29] <sbalneav> Well, you're a programmer, so you should understand patching progams.
[19:29] <sbalneav> either/or.
[19:29] <fasthans1> well I am not a C programmer
[19:29] <sbalneav> Until you get access to actuallyix the code, you'll have to find someone with authority to apply your patch.
[19:29] <fasthans1> but of course I can provide the logic if I can figure it out
[19:30] <sbalneav> fasthans1: Well, most pograms in linux are written in either C or C++
[19:30] <fasthans1> ok I understand. excuse me for asking these questions
[19:30] <sbalneav> So if you're looking to fix bugs, you'll need to learn either one of these.
[19:31] <sbalneav> Some of the bugs may be simple, like wrong owneship of files, or missing directories.
[19:31] <fasthans1> ok. but maybe not on the first day.
[19:31] <sbalneav> Sure.
[19:31] <sbalneav> There's no time-limit here :)
[19:31] <fasthans1> good. I have a LTSP server at my local school where I teach.
[19:32] <sbalneav> Probably you'll spend at least a couple of minths just wanting to look at bugs, and even see if you can duplicate them.
[19:32] <sbalneav> There's no rush, we're in this for the long haul. :)
[19:32] <fasthans1> and I am setting up a server here at home (a small one) and I have put together a thin client.
[19:33] <fasthans1> yes no rush. I have learned LTSP and Edubuntu the last two years as much as possible.
[19:33] <fasthans1> will I always meet you here? is this the place to meet?
[19:34] <sbalneav> Yes.  This week I'm in-and-out, but I'm usually always here.
[19:34] <fasthans1> and your located in the US? (I am from germany)
[19:34] <sbalneav> I may not be monitoring the channel, but I'm always idling here.
[19:34] <sbalneav> No, I'm from Canada
[19:34] <sbalneav> ogra's also from Germany
[19:34] <sbalneav> highvoltage's from SA
[19:35] <sbalneav> stgraber's from Canada as well
[19:35] <sbalneav> etc.
[19:35] <sbalneav> We're all over )
[19:35] <fasthans1> anybody from europe?
[19:35] <fasthans1> or in other words: from my timezone
[19:35] <sbalneav> alkisg's from Greece
[19:35] <alkisg> (hi fasthans1 :))
[19:35] <fasthans1> hi
[19:36] <fasthans1> actually I am registered as "fasthans" where does the "1" come from?
[19:37] <fasthans1> I work for a worldwide company and also have some IT colleagues in Greece...
[19:37] <alkisg> Maybe some problem with your irc client? I see you as "fasthans1"
[19:37] <sbalneav> Not sure.  Where did you register this userid with?  Launchpad? Or freenode?
[19:37] <fasthans1> freenode
[19:37] <alkisg> fasthans1: try: /nick fasthans
[19:37] <fasthans1> right now I am using pidgin.
[19:37] <alkisg> Does it give you any errors?
[19:38] <fasthans1> no. but real name is also not right.
[19:39] <fasthans1> but don't worry. I will monitor that the next days.
[19:39] <fasthans1> so I like to work a lot with data, transformations, awk sed, datawarehousing, databases, etc
[19:40] <fasthans1> my wife is italian, so I also talk italian and I have three kids: Christian 15, Stefano 12 and Laura 9
[19:41] <fasthans1> I would be very happy to help but I need a little bit of help to get started.
[19:42] <fasthans1> I have made some presentations at mysql conferences, linux days and oracle
[19:43] <fasthans1> some for writing so much...
[19:43] <fasthans1> at work we use citrix and thin clients for 1600 simultaeneous users around the clock
[19:44] <fasthans1> worldwide we have about 33000 employees
[19:44] <sbalneav> Sounds big
[19:45] <fasthans1> other skills I have: I never give up, I love computers, I hate it not finding a solution.... ;-)
[19:45] <chang-li> alkisg: I had to do some config file editing, but finally got italc to work. Maybe it's just my xubuntu that things are not installing correctly.
[19:45] <alkisg> chang-li: what config file editing?
[19:46] <alkisg> chang-li: and most importantly, what's your italc-master version? dpkg -l italc-master|grep ^ii
[19:46] <chang-li> alkisg: I had to edit /etc/xdg/iTALC Solutions/iTALC.conf,
[19:47] <chang-li> alkisg: enter chroot of ltsp & add italc client.
[19:48] <alkisg> chang-li: there are 2 ways to install italc. Putting it to the chroot is the hard way :)
[19:48] <sbalneav> ok, I have to head out.
[19:48] <sbalneav> Be on later.
[19:48] <alkisg> chang-li: doesn't /etc/xdg/autostart/ica.desktop autorun in xubuntu?
[19:49] <chang-li> alkisg: ii  italc-master                               1:1.0.9.1-0ubuntu9            Intelligent Teaching and Learning with Computers
[19:49] <alkisg> If xubuntu is xdg compliant, it should just run when the users logon, and no installation to the chroot would be necessary...
[19:49] <alkisg> !italc-master
[19:49] <alkisg> !info italc-master
[19:49] <alkisg> Sounds ok...
[19:50] <chang-li> alkisg: anyway, it's up and running.
[19:50] <alkisg> chang-li: well I was asking to make it easier for others wanting to use italc on xubuntu, but anyway, np.
[19:52] <chang-li> alkisg: I'm not sure, but i had a lot of problems getting this puppy to work. I had to install via network nfs.
[19:52] <alkisg> Ugh :)
[19:54] <chang-li> at 1st i tried pcbsd with terminal logins, but it crashed quite often. so i went to ltsp.
[20:06] <fasthans> if I want to test installs, how would you typically do this?
[20:11] <fasthans> be back later...
[20:33] <fasthans> hello OsKa
[20:33] <OsKa> hi
[20:35] <fasthans> I am new here. trying to undertsnad how I can help...
[20:35] <OsKa> what can you do ?
[20:36] <fasthans> well I don't know yet.
[20:39] <fasthans> I could start by testing installs.
[22:31] <fasthans> hello everyone