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| === jjesse__ is now known as jjesse | ||
| vorian | do we really still need papercuts? | 04:37 |
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| === vorian is now known as obama | ||
| === obama is now known as Obama | ||
| === Obama is now known as vorian | ||
| ScottK | Haven't done much with it in a while. We're pretty well focused on gaping wounds at the moment | 05:04 |
| * ScottK looks at Bug #453413 and points out to JontheEchidna that the removals go better when you subscribe the archive. | 06:39 | |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 453413 in kuickshow "Request for removal from archive (source and binary)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/453413 | 06:39 |
| markey | http://maketecheasier.com/preview-of-kubuntu-karmic-koala/2009/10/19 | 07:14 |
| markey | also: http://de.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/9vq46/preview_of_kubuntu_910_karmic_koala/ | 07:22 |
| markey | vote it up :) | 07:22 |
| === NCommander is now known as NC|Mobile | ||
| === NC|Mobile is now known as NCommander | ||
| Riddell | "Overall, Karmic Koala looks more polished than any previous Kubuntu version and probably any other KDE-based distribution to date." ooh nice | 08:27 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: bug 456097 | 09:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 456097 in kubuntu-website "karmic countdown banner is broken" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/456097 | 09:02 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: I worked out how to fix it | 09:10 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: did you get the fix for darkroom? | 09:10 |
| === m4v_ is now known as m4v | ||
| Riddell | davmor2: moving the partition bar doesn't work! | 09:23 |
| Riddell | it crashes the installer! | 09:23 |
| Riddell | shtylman: ^^ | 09:23 |
| davmor2 | Yeap | 09:23 |
| Riddell | davmor2: do you have a bug number? | 09:24 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: I'm going to have a look at the checkboxes again in a bit | 09:24 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: yes thanks :) | 09:24 |
| davmor2 | Bug 455580 | 09:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 455580 in ubiquity "Kubuntu auto resize can not move slider" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/455580 | 09:25 |
| Riddell | davmor2: is there another crash in the installer? | 09:42 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: no just the awkward checkboxes that you say you don't have issues with ;) | 09:47 |
| hettar | hi, I've been trying out karmic, just curious if it is a known issue with eclipse not working properly, (buttons not pressing and weird stuff like that) ? | 09:48 |
| Riddell | hettar: we just do KDE here, maybe #ubuntu-java will know | 09:50 |
| === EqS is now known as EgS | ||
| hettar | I like the new installer btw. very slick loking | 10:15 |
| Riddell | yay for shtylman | 10:16 |
| markey | Riddell: Plasma just crashed again, latest Karmic updates, after exiting amarok | 10:59 |
| markey | here's a backtrace: | 10:59 |
| markey | http://pastebin.com/m78be9075 | 10:59 |
| markey | (sorry, no debug symbols) | 11:00 |
| Riddell | markey: do you have anything in /var/crash? | 11:01 |
| Riddell | or did you turn off apport? | 11:01 |
| markey | yes, turned it off | 11:01 |
| markey | I'll install debug symbols for plasma-workspace, ok? | 11:03 |
| markey | maybe that will help | 11:03 |
| markey | the crashing definitely somehow is related to amarok (and its usage of LibPlasma) | 11:04 |
| markey | always happens either when starting amarok, or when exiting it | 11:04 |
| Riddell | ok | 11:05 |
| markey | what's the right package for debugging symbols? | 11:08 |
| Riddell | markey: kdebase-workspace-dbg | 11:09 |
| markey | thx | 11:09 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: Great, thanks | 11:26 |
| === agateau is now known as agateau|lunch | ||
| ghostcube | hmmm there is a nice youtube client for kde :) | 12:11 |
| ghostcube | minitube its worth a try | 12:12 |
| neversfelde | ghostcube: yes, nice application. Thank you for the recommendation. | 13:01 |
| ghostcube | neversfelde: no prob :) just found it on getdeb.net and thought this is cool | 13:03 |
| neversfelde | ghostcube: I should have a package for karmic in my ppa later today | 13:05 |
| ghostcube | ok :) | 13:05 |
| === agateau|lunch is now known as agateau | ||
| Riddell | who speaks spanish? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuOpenWeek_ES we should say hi to this Adolfo Fitoria chap | 13:27 |
| jpds | Riddell: Hola. | 13:28 |
| shtylman | Riddell: I will look into that... | 13:33 |
| apachelogger | backtracking is a nut | 13:33 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: ok, so turns out we already had a patch for Messages.sh that wasn't being applied. I can upload the fix once I boot back in to Linux | 13:51 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: thanks for subscribing the archive admin | 13:53 |
| Riddell | shtylman: evan fixed it | 13:53 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: No problem. I found your bug and was like, "Oh, cool, I don't even have to write the removal bug." | 13:53 |
| JontheEchidna | heh | 13:54 |
| agateau | hi everybody! | 13:57 |
| agateau | Riddell: did you check my ppa for wep ascii key support? | 13:57 |
| agateau | Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~agateau/+archive/ppa | 13:58 |
| agateau | (or anyone interested in wep ascii key support) | 13:58 |
| Riddell | agateau: nope, don't think you mentioned it before | 14:00 |
| agateau | Riddell: only on the bug report | 14:00 |
| Riddell | bah, who reads bugs? :) | 14:00 |
| agateau | I assume you did :) | 14:01 |
| * agateau hoped Riddell read them, because he does not | 14:01 | |
| agateau | :) | 14:01 |
| Quintasan | it's just me or soprano2 doesn't work? | 14:03 |
| Quintasan | (Soprano::PluginManager) found no soprano plugin at "/usr/lib/soprano/libsoprano_sesame2backend.so" | 14:03 |
| Quintasan | the files is there | 14:03 |
| ScottK | You installed the backend? | 14:07 |
| Sadly | hello | 14:09 |
| Sadly | hello | 14:09 |
| Riddell | why hello | 14:10 |
| jjesse | hello :) | 14:10 |
| Riddell | kkk | 14:12 |
| Riddell | agateau: I can still connect with hex, so it hasn't broken anything :) | 14:12 |
| Sadly | what does "devel" mean in the chatroom name? | 14:12 |
| agateau | Riddell: good! | 14:12 |
| jjesse | Sadly development | 14:12 |
| Sadly | ahm | 14:13 |
| Sadly | xD | 14:13 |
| jjesse | Sadly: so you have #kubuntu which is for support and #kubuntu-devel which is for kubuntu development needs | 14:14 |
| Sadly | you "do" kubuntu? | 14:14 |
| jjesse | yes the people here work on kubuntu development | 14:15 |
| Sadly | ok, take that note: Some intel wireless doesn't work well on any kubuntu-ubuntu.... A lot of blogs are full of that kind of comentaries... | 14:15 |
| Sadly | thanks for everything | 14:16 |
| Riddell | agateau: hum, I think I set my router to use an ascii password but now knetworkmanager only gives me a "None" option for security | 14:23 |
| Riddell | and it doesn't connect | 14:23 |
| agateau | Riddell: I doubt this is related to my patch, because it only touch the wep ui | 14:24 |
| agateau | it does not alter the security detection | 14:24 |
| agateau | Riddell: can you try the original package to check it's indeed a regression? | 14:24 |
| JontheEchidna | bla, we got 40 bug reports last night for kde stuffs | 14:25 |
| JontheEchidna | a good portion are dupes | 14:26 |
| Riddell | agateau: that was a temporary blib it now asks for WEP fine, but it doesn't work with the ascii password I put into my router | 14:38 |
| agateau | Riddell: is it an ascii passphrase or an ascii key? | 14:39 |
| Riddell | agateau: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/router.png | 14:40 |
| Riddell | I think that's an ascii key I enter in the box, click generate and it turns it into hex | 14:40 |
| agateau | Riddell: yes, it's just a way to generate random hex keys | 14:41 |
| Riddell | agateau: so that's not the ascii password thing we want to test? | 14:41 |
| agateau | no | 14:41 |
| agateau | Riddell: What other options do you have in Security Mode? | 14:42 |
| Riddell | what a pointless feature | 14:42 |
| Riddell | 64 bit WEP, 128 bit WEP, WPA/WPA2-Enterprise(RADIUS), WPA/WPA2-Personal(PSK) | 14:42 |
| ScottK | WEP you mean? It's been pretty well cracked for most of a decade now. | 14:42 |
| agateau | ScottK: sure, but you would still want knetworkmanager to support it | 14:43 |
| ScottK | Certainly | 14:43 |
| Riddell | generate key I mean, the user still has to care about the hex | 14:43 |
| agateau | Riddell: and I guess 128 bit WEP is hex as well | 14:43 |
| Riddell | agateau: oui | 14:43 |
| agateau | Riddell: so you can't test, | 14:43 |
| Riddell | fooey | 14:43 |
| agateau | Riddell: what you are looking for is a way to enter a 5 or 13 char ascii key | 14:44 |
| agateau | Riddell: I am "lucky" to have this in my adsl modem | 14:44 |
| agateau | but it would be nice to have other input on this | 14:44 |
| Riddell | agateau: maybe asac or awe can test, they're our normal NM guys | 14:46 |
| agateau | Riddell: ok | 14:46 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: hardy -> Karmic upgrade worked no audio though | 15:37 |
| ScottK | davmor2: No audio or some level is set to 0? | 15:38 |
| davmor2 | ScottK: I've set everything to 100% | 15:39 |
| ScottK | OK | 15:39 |
| davmor2 | but everything else seems to be fine | 15:40 |
| davmor2 | so I'm assuming it is just a conf file that got screwed up in the upgrade process | 15:40 |
| dtchen | davmor2: please use ubuntu-bug alsa-base right quick | 15:40 |
| davmor2 | dtchen: will do after I need to shoot off for about 30mins plus | 15:41 |
| slacker_nl | so.. | 15:47 |
| slacker_nl | how would one test the upgrade from hardy to karmic? | 15:47 |
| Riddell | bug 452090 | 15:47 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 452090 in sysvinit "adept fails to upgrade from hardy -> karmic" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/452090 | 15:47 |
| Riddell | slacker_nl: it was broken but that bug now says its fixed and davmor2 just said it worked for him, so if you want to be an early tester that would be good, I can show you how | 15:48 |
| slacker_nl | Riddell: just need the package for it (i upgrade via do-release-upgrade normally) | 15:49 |
| Riddell | slacker_nl: please install adept-manager from hardy-proposed | 15:49 |
| slacker_nl | k | 15:49 |
| Riddell | and run sudo adept_manager --dist-upgrade-lts | 15:49 |
| slacker_nl | k | 15:49 |
| slacker_nl | that's all? | 15:49 |
| Riddell | then click on blue up arrow and follow the prompts | 15:50 |
| slacker_nl | ok | 15:50 |
| slacker_nl | lemme backup my OS first and i'll test it today | 15:50 |
| Riddell | good idea | 15:50 |
| slacker_nl | will add a comment to 452090 with results or report here | 15:50 |
| slacker_nl | whatever you prefer :) | 15:51 |
| ScottK | Both would be nice | 15:52 |
| Riddell | slacker_nl: corrected command> sudo adept_manager dist-upgrade-devel-lts | 15:52 |
| Riddell | slacker_nl: also a comment on bug 439706 | 15:52 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 439706 in adept "support hardy to karmic upgrades" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/439706 | 15:52 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: when you get a moment, could you sponsor kdebase from bzr for bug 454601? | 15:52 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 454601 in kdebase "dolphin crashed with SIGSEGV in _start()" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/454601 | 15:52 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: ok | 15:53 |
| JontheEchidna | thx | 15:53 |
| slacker_nl | Riddell: ok, will do | 16:08 |
| davmor2 | dtchen: bug 456407 | 16:30 |
| ubottu | Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/456407/+text) | 16:30 |
| JontheEchidna | I have a feeling/suspicion that kubuntu_12_folderview_retry.diff from kdebase is causing bug 453874 | 16:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 453874 in qt4-x11 "plasma-desktop crashed in QGraphicsScene::drawItems() hovering over a file without permissions" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/453874 | 16:32 |
| ScottK | We know it doesn't happen upstream | 16:32 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: it can probably be dropped | 16:33 |
| JontheEchidna | basically the patch retries when a directory fails to be listed | 16:34 |
| Riddell | it helps folderview when running from low memory machines from a live CD | 16:34 |
| Riddell | we could drop it for the RC and make sure to test on low memory | 16:34 |
| * JontheEchidna drops then | 16:34 | |
| JontheEchidna | suppose I should testbuild first to see if that patch is causing it | 16:36 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: can't | 16:36 |
| Riddell | you'd need to put it onto a live cd | 16:36 |
| JontheEchidna | I mean the crash | 16:36 |
| Riddell | oh you mean the..right | 16:36 |
| JontheEchidna | :) | 16:36 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: I have a folder all configured to reproduce that if you want to put it in a PPA | 16:39 |
| JontheEchidna | ok | 16:39 |
| JontheEchidna | bug 418342 needs attention, if anyone's bored | 17:34 |
| ubottu | Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/418342) | 17:34 |
| tsimpson | LP seems to be timing-out a lot today | 17:34 |
| JontheEchidna | bug 418342 | 17:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 418342 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 "akonadi-server prevents install of mysql-server-5.0" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/418342 | 17:35 |
| JontheEchidna | (the akonadi portion of the bug) | 17:36 |
| JontheEchidna | man, it is slow right now | 17:36 |
| dtchen | davmor2: sorry, was working on another bug. Are you trying to use built-in speakers or headphones? | 17:41 |
| davmor2 | dtchen: speakers in the monitor | 17:41 |
| davmor2 | external speakers in other words | 17:42 |
| dtchen | davmor2: ok, please mute 'Headphone' | 17:43 |
| davmor2 | dtchen: muted running amarok for playback, still no audio :( | 17:45 |
| dtchen | davmor2: does raising the levels for 'Side' help? | 17:46 |
| davmor2 | dtchen: everything is on 100% | 17:46 |
| dtchen | davmor2: did you raise them after you submitted the bug? I'm using what's in your bug report. | 17:47 |
| davmor2 | dtchen: sorry looking at front not side 2 seconds | 17:47 |
| davmor2 | dtchen: Now I have audio :) | 17:48 |
| dtchen | ok | 17:48 |
| PedroLeKoi | Hello everybody. Can I help you with something? | 17:51 |
| PedroLeKoi | Riddell: Can I help you with something? | 17:51 |
| Riddell | PedroLeKoi: CDs and upgrades need testing. knetworkmanager needs testing if your wifi router can do WEP ASCII Keys. | 17:53 |
| PedroLeKoi | Riddell: Did I do this upgrade test in the last week? Do you remember? | 17:54 |
| PedroLeKoi | Riddell: If yes, I would prefer to do that one again. I can tell you, that I had allways trouble with WEP using ASCII keys... | 17:54 |
| Riddell | PedroLeKoi: you tried the hardy upgrade and we found problems, that should be fixed now so we need it tested again | 17:55 |
| eviljussi01 | Nightrose: facebook fail. | 17:57 |
| PedroLeKoi | Riddell: O.k. I will work on this task immediatelly. Maybe I have to ask you questions again, because I am at a different place right now. | 17:58 |
| ScottK | eviljussi01: Redundant (not a facebook fan) | 18:00 |
| ScottK | claydoh_: Doing release notes this week? | 18:02 |
| claydoh_ | ScottK: of course, i have it in my calendar now :) | 18:03 |
| === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh | ||
| ScottK | Excellent. | 18:03 |
| claydoh | any big changes I miss? | 18:04 |
| ScottK | Mostly fixing goodness I think. | 18:04 |
| ScottK | We got 4.3.2 since the beta | 18:04 |
| claydoh | yeah | 18:04 |
| ScottK | Kubuntu Netbook got improved, broken, and fixed in the meantime | 18:05 |
| claydoh | and general \upgrade testing | 18:05 |
| ScottK | Yep. | 18:05 |
| ScottK | Upgrade path from Hardy -> Karmic is ~working | 18:05 |
| claydoh | hardy upgrades working/need testing? | 18:06 |
| claydoh | cool | 18:06 |
| ScottK | Both | 18:06 |
| claydoh | kpackagekit, knetworkmanager goodness as well | 18:06 |
| ScottK | Knetworkmanager, sure. | 18:07 |
| claydoh | wow this release is already sooo good :) | 18:07 |
| ScottK | Kpackagekit might be marginally less full of fail than before, but it still sucks | 18:07 |
| Riddell | claydoh: new k3b alpha | 18:07 |
| claydoh | imo it works fine | 18:07 |
| claydoh | Riddell: woo hoo | 18:07 |
| ScottK | claydoh: I've only tried it a few times for updates and have yet to have it work. | 18:08 |
| claydoh | though it is not perfect it does the job well for a lot of people | 18:08 |
| ScottK | Also it seems not to notice there are upgrades for some variable time | 18:08 |
| claydoh | ScottK: that one I agree on, it takes some time | 18:09 |
| ScottK | claydoh: That's a clear regression from Jaunty, BTW. | 18:09 |
| claydoh | I haven't used the cli to update in quite a while now | 18:09 |
| ScottK | I pretty well gave up when it thought I had broken packages and told me to use a 'advanced' package manager like synaptic or aptitude to fix it. | 18:10 |
| claydoh | ScottK: but it don't do the crashy-dance so much :) | 18:10 |
| ScottK | Agreed | 18:10 |
| claydoh | somehow I have missed that message | 18:10 |
| ScottK | In many cases it doesn't seem to even aspire to be a feature complete package manager | 18:11 |
| claydoh | is knetwork manager mostly working for most? | 18:11 |
| ScottK | AFAIK, yes. | 18:11 |
| claydoh | it has for me now, except for hidden networks | 18:11 |
| ScottK | That one is unquestioned progress from Jaunty | 18:11 |
| PedroLeKoi | Riddell: There was this certain option for adept_manager. Something like '--dist-upgrade-tln' or something. It's still not included in the options displayed by typeing 'adept_manager --help'. | 18:13 |
| * claydoh has been wasting time installing debian and arch in virtualbox, should pay more attention to useful things | 18:13 | |
| Riddell | PedroLeKoi: sudo apt-get install adept-manager | 18:14 |
| claydoh | well useful at the moment type things rather | 18:14 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Are we to the point where if I did a Jaunty -> Karmic upgrade we could count it for an upgrade test on the ISO tracker? | 18:14 |
| Riddell | ScottK: yes I'd say so, the only change I'm waiting on is ubiquity which doesn't matter for upgrades | 18:15 |
| ScottK | OK. Thanks. | 18:15 |
| ScottK | Time to use the teenagers as experimental subjects. | 18:15 |
| ScottK | Wait. That didn't come out right. ;-) | 18:16 |
| claydoh | ScottK: sure it did :D | 18:16 |
| Riddell | could save on college fees that | 18:16 |
| ScottK | Middle child (15) is home with a high fever today. | 18:16 |
| ScottK | I've been tempted to joke about not giving her medicine resulting in both long an short term savings | 18:17 |
| Riddell | it's jokes like that which make me glad I live where I do :) | 18:18 |
| JontheEchidna | when I was little, whenever me or my brother complained that a body part hurted, my dad always suggested we amputate it | 18:18 |
| JontheEchidna | well, not always, but he is a kidder like that :P | 18:19 |
| ScottK | I think I'd get on well with your Dad | 18:19 |
| JontheEchidna | He says "repeating bad jokes is the father's perogative" | 18:19 |
| ScottK | When there is a hair crisis in the house (and with three daughters it's not rare), I generally recommend a stapler as part of the solution. | 18:20 |
| ScottK | He right. | 18:20 |
| Riddell | the worrying part is when you grow old you start repeating your dad's bad jokes | 18:20 |
| ScottK | The standard answer to "what are we having for dinner" is "Snails". | 18:20 |
| ScottK | So far I've got my own set. | 18:20 |
| JontheEchidna | my dad used to say we should go in the backyard and look for a log with grubs in it | 18:21 |
| ScottK | The worrying part is when the 6 year old starts using sarcasm right back at you because she's used to it. | 18:21 |
| Riddell | PedroLeKoi: make sure you have adept-manager 2.1.3ubuntu25.2 installed then run "sudo adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel-lts" | 18:23 |
| Riddell | then click on the blue up-arrow | 18:23 |
| * Riddell canoes | 18:24 | |
| Mamarok | Riddell: is there a problem with phonon right now? I can't build Amarok anymore | 18:24 |
| ScottK | Shouldn't be. | 18:24 |
| === highvolt1ge is now known as highvoltage | ||
| PedroLeKoi1 | Riddell: apt-get tells me that the newest version of adept-manager is already installed. | 18:36 |
| PedroLeKoi1 | Riddell: I doubt this. Maybe the system in the chroot environment is halfway updated from hardy to jaunty... | 18:38 |
| PedroLeKoi1 | Riddell: At least the source.list file contained some entries with a jaunty extension... | 18:38 |
| === PedroLeKoi2 is now known as PedroLeKoi1 | ||
| Nightrose | eviljussi01: ? :D | 18:43 |
| Nightrose | what are you talking about? | 18:43 |
| === PedroLeKoi1 is now known as PedroLeKoi | ||
| PedroLeKoi | Riddell: The command 'sudo apt-get install adept-manager' doesn't work. Apt-get tells me that the newest version of adept-manager is already installed. | 18:48 |
| PedroLeKoi | Riddell: At the same time it looks like my chroot system has to be reinstalled because it's half hardy half jaunty... | 18:48 |
| === steveire is now known as steveire_ | ||
| Riddell | PedroLeKoi: oh right, yes, you'll need to make a new chroot | 19:22 |
| PedroLeKoi | Riddell: I did it already. I remembered that I noted the proper commands. | 19:23 |
| PedroLeKoi | Riddell: Now it shows me the option '--dist-upgrade-devel-lts'. Is that the one you want me to use? | 19:25 |
| * ScottK is doing Jaunty -> Karmic upgrade test | 19:25 | |
| m4v | asserts should be reported? quassel asserts if you "/query" in the input bar. the crash report thingy says somethig like it doesn't admit those bugs | 19:26 |
| Riddell | PedroLeKoi: yes please | 19:28 |
| Riddell | m4v: it's a crash like any other unless Sput has some paticular avertion to them | 19:29 |
| m4v | Riddell: ok, I hope he doesn't. | 19:30 |
| Sput | I don't :) | 19:30 |
| Sput | please report at bugs.quassel-irc.org if possible | 19:30 |
| Sput | not sure if apport links you to that | 19:30 |
| m4v | I don't think so, anyway apport doesn't want to report asserts, that's why I asked | 19:31 |
| Sput | ah ok | 19:32 |
| * Sput has never seen that tool | 19:32 | |
| Riddell | hmm, I wonder why apport has an advertion to asserts | 19:33 |
| PedroLeKoi | Riddell: If I type 'sudo adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel-lts' system tells me: sudo unable to resolve host xyz. | 19:36 |
| PedroLeKoi | Riddell: If I type 'adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel-lts' system tells me: adept_manager: cannot connect to X server :0 | 19:37 |
| PedroLeKoi | Riddell: I remeber that I mounted some directories (dev, proc, etc...) I didn't do that after deleting the old system. I that's a possible reason: Please tell me those commands again. | 19:41 |
| PedroLeKoi | Dum-di-dum di-dum-di-dum... | 19:48 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: https://edge.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+archive/ppa | 19:51 |
| slacker_nl | PedroLeKoi: first line looks like sudo doesn't know host xyz, you can work around it by adding host xyz to /etc/hosts | 19:52 |
| PedroLeKoi | slacker_nl: Thank you. I will continue with that hint. | 19:53 |
| slacker_nl | PedroLeKoi: yw | 19:53 |
| * slacker_nl waits for all the updates to finish so I can start my hardy > karmic upgrade | 19:53 | |
| PedroLeKoi | slacker_nl: File containes a single entry. That is the right hostname... | 19:54 |
| Sput | thanks m4v | 19:55 |
| slacker_nl | PedroLeKoi: a single entry? | 19:55 |
| PedroLeKoi | slacker_nl: I didn't mount dev and proc directory. Do you think this could be the reason... | 19:55 |
| PedroLeKoi | slacker_nl: Yes. | 19:55 |
| PedroLeKoi | slacker_nl: hostname is 'kub-devel'. | 19:56 |
| m4v | Sput: np | 19:56 |
| slacker_nl | PedroLeKoi: you're in a chroot'ed enviroment? | 19:58 |
| PedroLeKoi | slacker_nl: That's right. | 19:58 |
| slacker_nl | PedroLeKoi: and when your in your chroot env, hostname returns? | 19:58 |
| Riddell | PedroLeKoi: from outside the chroot | 19:58 |
| Riddell | mount -t none -o bind /tmp chroot/tmp | 19:58 |
| Riddell | same for dev and proc | 19:59 |
| Riddell | also xhost + | 19:59 |
| PedroLeKoi | Riddell: Thank you. | 19:59 |
| slacker_nl | Riddell: i have adept-manager 2.1.3ubuntu25.2 installed from hardy-proposed | 20:00 |
| slacker_nl | Riddell: assume that is correct to start upgrading? | 20:00 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: Removing the folderview patch stops the crash for me | 20:02 |
| JontheEchidna | my testcase: hover over /lost+found | 20:03 |
| claydoh | my hardy-karmic upgrade crashed the virtual machine | 20:05 |
| claydoh | but so did the arch install I was running as well | 20:05 |
| claydoh | concurrently | 20:05 |
| PedroLeKoi | Riddell: Release Announcement: Welcome to the Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' development release... | 20:08 |
| PedroLeKoi | Riddell: Downloaded 'the upgrade tool'... | 20:09 |
| PedroLeKoi | Riddell: ImportError: No (python) module named apt. | 20:10 |
| * apachelogger likes the python :P | 20:10 | |
| Riddell | PedroLeKoi: you need to install kubuntu-desktop first | 20:12 |
| Riddell | sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop | 20:12 |
| PedroLeKoi | Riddell: Maybe you like to see the whole story: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/297733/ | 20:13 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Excellent. | 20:14 |
| Riddell | PedroLeKoi: yes, it needs sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop | 20:14 |
| Lure | whoever added brightness osd, thank you! | 20:15 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: I think we'll want a Jaunty SRU too. | 20:15 |
| JontheEchidna | Lure: debfx did :) | 20:16 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: ok, I've pushed the fix to bzr for karmic | 20:16 |
| JontheEchidna | nominating jaunty in the bug | 20:16 |
| === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Final Freeze in effect | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | We need testing. | ||
| PedroLeKoi | I am going to install 1.5 GB of data, right? That is something! Let's do it then... | 20:16 |
| Lure | debfx: thank you - you rock! | 20:16 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Do you know if the brightness stuff went upstream? | 20:17 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: I do not know. It should if it hasn't. | 20:18 |
| JontheEchidna | as should the shortcut patch to kdelibs it relies on | 20:18 |
| debfx | Lure: you're welcome :) | 20:18 |
| ScottK | debfx: Did it go upstream? | 20:20 |
| debfx | ScottK: not yet, the kdelibs patch depends on the Qt patch | 20:21 |
| ScottK | debfx: Is the Qt patch in 4.6? | 20:22 |
| debfx | ScottK: no | 20:26 |
| ScottK | debfx: Qt 4.6 is in beta now, so please submit soon. | 20:27 |
| Riddell | slightly nutty blog post http://ubuntu-user.com/Online/Blogs/Marcel-Gagne-Orbiting-Planet-buntu/Karmic-Koala-Ubuntu-Gets-The-K | 20:28 |
| JontheEchidna | The Qt patch is in the kdeqt git repo | 20:29 |
| JontheEchidna | which usually means it's upstream, or will be soon | 20:30 |
| debfx | ScottK: there is already a merge request: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/merge_requests/1742 | 20:30 |
| ScottK | debfx: Great. | 20:30 |
| ScottK | Riddell: For a large value of slightly, sure. | 20:31 |
| * JontheEchidna got a laugh out of it | 20:31 | |
| slacker_nl | Riddell: that blogpost made me laugh | 20:33 |
| debfx | Riddell: I updated the brightness patch a bit: disabled fake transparency, changed opacity from 75 to 85 and some cleanup | 20:47 |
| debfx | Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/297764/ | 20:47 |
| Tm_T | slacker_nl: ...you're telling me it was a joke? | 20:48 |
| slacker_nl | Tm_T: i sure hope not | 20:49 |
| slacker_nl | would be time for ubuntu to change to KDE as their main DE | 20:49 |
| slacker_nl | and de Koala release seems to be ready for it | 20:50 |
| * ScottK thinks it should be pretty easy to configure plasma to do what Gnome shell intends. | 20:50 | |
| ScottK | Not really. | 20:50 |
| ScottK | Karmic is way better than Jaunty and Jaunty was way better than Intrepid, but we've a long ways to go. | 20:50 |
| slacker_nl | ScottK: imo karmic is the best KDE release (kde4 release) i have seen | 20:50 |
| ScottK | slacker_nl: No doubt. | 20:51 |
| slacker_nl | the intrepid release was horrible | 20:51 |
| slacker_nl | ScottK: but I don't see any reasons why KDE could not be the default DE | 20:51 |
| slacker_nl | I don't think gnome is that good | 20:52 |
| slacker_nl | or awesome or whatever | 20:52 |
| Tm_T | slacker_nl: ...and my pc is still on intrepid | 20:52 |
| slacker_nl | Tm_T: sucks to be you mate ;) | 20:52 |
| Riddell | debfx: it'll need to wait until after RC, please remind me then | 20:53 |
| Tm_T | slacker_nl: indeed, atleast I do have kde from trunk | 20:53 |
| * Tm_T is waiting for new hardware | 20:53 | |
| slacker_nl | I had major issues with intrepid, kde4.0 which was not really ready - and some Xorg/Intel bug | 20:53 |
| slacker_nl | which made the whole experience very painfull | 20:53 |
| ScottK | slacker_nl: Intrepid was KDE 4.1. | 20:54 |
| slacker_nl | ScottK: it was? | 20:54 |
| ScottK | It was | 20:54 |
| slacker_nl | i stand corrected then | 20:54 |
| ScottK | The xorg/intel thing wasn't KDE's fault either. | 20:54 |
| slacker_nl | but I still didn't like it :) | 20:54 |
| slacker_nl | i know | 20:54 |
| ScottK | It was a *buntu specific patch that we got dropped in Jaunty | 20:54 |
| Riddell | intrepid was intended to be intrepid, that was the name | 20:55 |
| ScottK | I still have a version without the patch in my PPA for Intrepid. | 20:55 |
| slacker_nl | well, actually, I didn't had issues when using gnome... | 20:55 |
| ScottK | Much as Edgy was intended to be Edgy. | 20:55 |
| slacker_nl | eitherway, went back to hardy | 20:55 |
| Riddell | and intrepid was better than jaunty in various painful ways | 20:55 |
| ScottK | True, although overall I liked Jaunty better. | 20:55 |
| Riddell | but karmic is good, and in six months time we'll be ready for an LTS | 20:56 |
| slacker_nl | LTS will include 4.3.2 ? | 20:56 |
| JontheEchidna | 4.4.2 most likely | 20:56 |
| slacker_nl | nice | 20:56 |
| PedroLeKoi | Riddell: Kubuntu is going to be updated on Version 9.10 | 21:00 |
| PedroLeKoi | Riddell: ... to Version 9.10. Sorry for that one. | 21:02 |
| PedroLeKoi | Riddell: Updates are going to be downloaded. This seems to work... | 21:02 |
| slacker_nl | only issue I have is that the upgrade broke my wireless connection | 21:03 |
| slacker_nl | well, it is still busy upgrading | 21:03 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Would you please take a look at Bug 447275 | 21:17 |
| ubottu | Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/447275) | 21:18 |
| JontheEchidna | oh darn, I forgot to get that sponsored | 21:19 |
| zorael | Launchpad bug #415023 seems to affect Kubuntu as well. (Changing brightness is broken; makes brightness setting bounce back and forth, making system unresponsive [buttons don't work], high cpu use.) What package should it also be filed against? Powerdevil? I.e, what is the KDE equavilence of gnome-power-manager? | 21:21 |
| ubottu | Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/415023) | 21:21 |
| Riddell | PedroLeKoi: great | 21:21 |
| Riddell | zorael: kdebase-workspace | 21:22 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Upgrade from Jaunty -> Karmic on i386 passed. | 21:23 |
| debfx | zorael: what's the output of "lshal|grep brightness_in_hardware" on your system? | 21:24 |
| zorael | debfx: "laptop_panel.brightness_in_hardware = false (bool)" | 21:24 |
| debfx | zorael: does it happen when you use the brightness keys or the slider of the battery applet? | 21:27 |
| zorael | debfx: If it's of interest, dbus-monitor says the following when just trying to change the brightness up one step: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/297639/. It maxes out to 100% and then back down to 0% | 21:27 |
| zorael | debfx: both | 21:27 |
| Riddell | ScottK: awooga | 21:31 |
| slacker_nl | Riddell: the upgrade comes up with this, /usr/bin/diff: /etc/X11/app-defaults/Xedit: No such file or directory and then shows me a diff which says that there are no differences | 21:31 |
| debfx | zorael: did the brightness keys work before? | 21:32 |
| zorael | debfx: Oh yes, up until a reboot some time ago | 21:32 |
| zorael | debfx: it was the first time I saw the new brightness OSD, if that has any relevance | 21:33 |
| debfx | zorael: what laptop? | 21:35 |
| zorael | zorael: MSI Wind U100 rebrand (Advent 4211) | 21:35 |
| zorael | er | 21:35 |
| zorael | debfx: :3 | 21:35 |
| debfx | guess the solution is to add a hal rule to set laptop_panel.brightness_in_hardware=true and honor it in powerdevil | 21:38 |
| neversfelde | Riddell: upstream told me that the kid3 fix gnome dialog finally works :) | 21:45 |
| neversfelde | +patch | 21:45 |
| Riddell | neversfelde: nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn | 21:46 |
| Riddell | tsk, cats | 21:47 |
| Riddell | neversfelde: yay | 21:47 |
| neversfelde | :) | 21:47 |
| debfx | zorael: could you please attach the output of "dmidecode -t system" to that bug report | 21:55 |
| zorael | debfx: done (http://launchpadlibrarian.net/34074612/dmidecode.log) | 22:01 |
| * debfx still thinks that sending a brightness up/down key event on every brightness change is a stupid thing to do for the hardware | 22:01 | |
| ScottK | Riddell: The only significant issue is that one kid had a bunch of widgets on her desktop and they were all gone after the upgrade. Is that expected? | 22:03 |
| debfx | zorael: thanks, I'll prepare a testing package tomorrow | 22:04 |
| zorael | debfx: awesome, many thanks | 22:05 |
| PedroLeKoi | Riddell: The procedure was terminated. Error messages under http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/297811/ | 22:06 |
| Riddell | PedroLeKoi: erk | 22:12 |
| Riddell | PedroLeKoi: ok guess I'll need to investigate that more, thanks for testing | 22:12 |
| PedroLeKoi | Riddell: I am going to leave now. I probably won't be able to come online tomorrow. I will be back on Sunday or Monday. I will prepare the system so that I can start with the --dist-upgrade-devel-lts command right away. Maybe you can find some time to work on that bug. Take care, Pedro. | 22:16 |
| slacker_nl | Riddell: works for me (tm) | 22:19 |
| Riddell | slacker_nl: yeah it's probably because he's in a chroot | 22:21 |
| slacker_nl | Riddell: could be the case | 22:22 |
| slacker_nl | on my real laptop it works | 22:22 |
| slacker_nl | the only issue was the diff fo Xedit, which is only present in karmic afaik | 22:23 |
| Riddell | I've no idea what that's about | 22:25 |
| slacker_nl | i have no clue either | 22:27 |
| slacker_nl | would need to restore to see if that file should be in a hardy package | 22:28 |
| slacker_nl | or maybe change my sources back to hardy and do an apt-file update and check | 22:28 |
| slacker_nl | well, added comments to both bug 452090 and 439706 - hope it helps | 22:31 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 452090 in sysvinit "adept fails to upgrade from hardy -> karmic" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/452090 | 22:32 |
| ubottu | Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/439706) | 22:32 |
| Riddell | slacker_nl: could you also add it to iso tracker? | 22:32 |
| slacker_nl | Riddell: if you have an URL yes | 22:32 |
| Riddell | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all | 22:33 |
| Riddell | slacker_nl: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/3191 | 22:33 |
| slacker_nl | wtf... | 22:33 |
| slacker_nl | konqueror bomb | 22:33 |
| slacker_nl | i think something went wrong | 22:34 |
| ScottK | davmor2: On kubuntu-netbook when I go straight to install without starting a live session, it seems it goes into some kind of loop and never starts the installer. Did you see anything like this? | 22:36 |
| slacker_nl | clicking on that URL gave me a zillion konqueror startups (but no procs found via ps) | 22:36 |
| ScottK | Probably saved session. | 22:36 |
| davmor2 | ScottK: Sweet no. I've been on wubi, netboot and alternate all day sorry | 22:37 |
| slacker_nl | Riddell: don't know if my statment is correct | 22:38 |
| slacker_nl | ok, ho wcan i stop konquror processes from starting? | 22:43 |
| slacker_nl | Riddell: http://opperschaap.net/~wesleys/ubuntu/karmic/konqueror_acts_up_on_clipboard_action.mpeg << happens after the upgrade, did not notice this when doing hardy > intrepid > jaunty > karmic | 22:49 |
| JontheEchidna | what is that an upgrade from? | 22:55 |
| slacker_nl | JontheEchidna: hardy to karmic | 22:55 |
| JontheEchidna | hmm | 22:56 |
| slacker_nl | mm, now trying to mount my external disk, doesn't work either | 22:56 |
| JontheEchidna | slacker_nl: what's the default KDE web browser set as? | 22:58 |
| JontheEchidna | I'm wondering if in the past it was set to xdg-open or kfmclient (start konq) or something which causes a loop | 22:58 |
| slacker_nl | JontheEchidna: empty value | 22:59 |
| slacker_nl | should be firefox or iceweasel | 22:59 |
| JontheEchidna | then that shouldn't be the problem | 22:59 |
| slacker_nl | the value was empty, now set to ff | 22:59 |
| slacker_nl | weird | 23:00 |
| slacker_nl | ok, set the value to firefox and the problem is gone | 23:00 |
| slacker_nl | strange, the e-mail client is still icedove | 23:01 |
| slacker_nl | why the webbrowser field was empty.. | 23:02 |
| ScottK | shtylman: Bug #456751 - Help. Did this get fixed already? | 23:02 |
| ScottK | Riddell: ^^? | 23:02 |
| ubottu | Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/456751) | 23:02 |
| Riddell | ScottK: yes that should be fixed in 2.0.2 | 23:05 |
| Riddell | current desktop ISOs have 2.0.1 and are being rebuilt | 23:05 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Glad to hear it. | 23:05 |
| Riddell | ScottK: bug 455580 | 23:06 |
| ubottu | Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/455580) | 23:06 |
| * Riddell marks | 23:06 | |
| === MsMaco_ is now known as MsMaco | ||
| ScottK | Riddell: Device notifier pops up during USB install. Is this known? | 23:20 |
| Riddell | ScottK: USB install? | 23:24 |
| Riddell | you mean using usb-creator? | 23:25 |
| ScottK | Riddell: While I'm installing Kubuntu Netbook with a USB stick the device notifier pops us | 23:25 |
| ScottK | us/up | 23:25 |
| ScottK | Right, from a USB stick created with USB creator. | 23:25 |
| Riddell | I've not seen that but ubiquity does include a comment saying "TODO port kded devicenotifier unload to KDE 4" | 23:25 |
| ScottK | There's some point in the installer when it redetects everying and the device notifier pops up. | 23:25 |
| ScottK | OK. | 23:26 |
| ScottK | That sounds like it. | 23:26 |
| Riddell | it's probably just a dbus call that's needed but I never looked into what since I never saw it causing an issue | 23:28 |
| ScottK | Riddell: No jockey on the KNE ISO. | 23:29 |
| ScottK | I take that back. | 23:30 |
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