=== freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying === jjesse__ is now known as jjesse [04:37] do we really still need papercuts? === vorian is now known as obama === obama is now known as Obama === Obama is now known as vorian [05:04] Haven't done much with it in a while. We're pretty well focused on gaping wounds at the moment [06:39] * ScottK looks at Bug #453413 and points out to JontheEchidna that the removals go better when you subscribe the archive. [06:39] Launchpad bug 453413 in kuickshow "Request for removal from archive (source and binary)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/453413 [07:14] http://maketecheasier.com/preview-of-kubuntu-karmic-koala/2009/10/19 [07:22] also: http://de.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/9vq46/preview_of_kubuntu_910_karmic_koala/ [07:22] vote it up :) === NCommander is now known as NC|Mobile === NC|Mobile is now known as NCommander [08:27] "Overall, Karmic Koala looks more polished than any previous Kubuntu version and probably any other KDE-based distribution to date." ooh nice [09:02] ryanakca: bug 456097 [09:02] Launchpad bug 456097 in kubuntu-website "karmic countdown banner is broken" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/456097 [09:10] ryanakca: I worked out how to fix it [09:10] JontheEchidna: did you get the fix for darkroom? === m4v_ is now known as m4v [09:23] davmor2: moving the partition bar doesn't work! [09:23] it crashes the installer! [09:23] shtylman: ^^ [09:23] Yeap [09:24] davmor2: do you have a bug number? [09:24] Riddell: I'm going to have a look at the checkboxes again in a bit [09:24] Riddell: yes thanks :) [09:25] Bug 455580 [09:25] Launchpad bug 455580 in ubiquity "Kubuntu auto resize can not move slider" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/455580 [09:42] davmor2: is there another crash in the installer? [09:47] Riddell: no just the awkward checkboxes that you say you don't have issues with ;) [09:48] hi, I've been trying out karmic, just curious if it is a known issue with eclipse not working properly, (buttons not pressing and weird stuff like that) ? [09:50] hettar: we just do KDE here, maybe #ubuntu-java will know === EqS is now known as EgS [10:15] I like the new installer btw. very slick loking [10:16] yay for shtylman [10:59] Riddell: Plasma just crashed again, latest Karmic updates, after exiting amarok [10:59] here's a backtrace: [10:59] http://pastebin.com/m78be9075 [11:00] (sorry, no debug symbols) [11:01] markey: do you have anything in /var/crash? [11:01] or did you turn off apport? [11:01] yes, turned it off [11:03] I'll install debug symbols for plasma-workspace, ok? [11:03] maybe that will help [11:04] the crashing definitely somehow is related to amarok (and its usage of LibPlasma) [11:04] always happens either when starting amarok, or when exiting it [11:05] ok [11:08] what's the right package for debugging symbols? [11:09] markey: kdebase-workspace-dbg [11:09] thx [11:26] Riddell: Great, thanks === agateau is now known as agateau|lunch [12:11] hmmm there is a nice youtube client for kde :) [12:12] minitube its worth a try [13:01] ghostcube: yes, nice application. Thank you for the recommendation. [13:03] neversfelde: no prob :) just found it on getdeb.net and thought this is cool [13:05] ghostcube: I should have a package for karmic in my ppa later today [13:05] ok :) === agateau|lunch is now known as agateau [13:27] who speaks spanish? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuOpenWeek_ES we should say hi to this Adolfo Fitoria chap [13:28] Riddell: Hola. [13:33] Riddell: I will look into that... [13:33] backtracking is a nut [13:51] Riddell: ok, so turns out we already had a patch for Messages.sh that wasn't being applied. I can upload the fix once I boot back in to Linux [13:53] ScottK: thanks for subscribing the archive admin [13:53] shtylman: evan fixed it [13:53] JontheEchidna: No problem. I found your bug and was like, "Oh, cool, I don't even have to write the removal bug." [13:54] heh [13:57] hi everybody! [13:57] Riddell: did you check my ppa for wep ascii key support? [13:58] Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~agateau/+archive/ppa [13:58] (or anyone interested in wep ascii key support) [14:00] agateau: nope, don't think you mentioned it before [14:00] Riddell: only on the bug report [14:00] bah, who reads bugs? :) [14:01] I assume you did :) [14:01] * agateau hoped Riddell read them, because he does not [14:01] :) [14:03] it's just me or soprano2 doesn't work? [14:03] (Soprano::PluginManager) found no soprano plugin at "/usr/lib/soprano/libsoprano_sesame2backend.so" [14:03] the files is there [14:07] You installed the backend? [14:09] hello [14:09] hello [14:10] why hello [14:10] hello :) [14:12] kkk [14:12] agateau: I can still connect with hex, so it hasn't broken anything :) [14:12] what does "devel" mean in the chatroom name? [14:12] Riddell: good! [14:12] Sadly development [14:13] ahm [14:13] xD [14:14] Sadly: so you have #kubuntu which is for support and #kubuntu-devel which is for kubuntu development needs [14:14] you "do" kubuntu? [14:15] yes the people here work on kubuntu development [14:15] ok, take that note: Some intel wireless doesn't work well on any kubuntu-ubuntu.... A lot of blogs are full of that kind of comentaries... [14:16] thanks for everything [14:23] agateau: hum, I think I set my router to use an ascii password but now knetworkmanager only gives me a "None" option for security [14:23] and it doesn't connect [14:24] Riddell: I doubt this is related to my patch, because it only touch the wep ui [14:24] it does not alter the security detection [14:24] Riddell: can you try the original package to check it's indeed a regression? [14:25] bla, we got 40 bug reports last night for kde stuffs [14:26] a good portion are dupes [14:38] agateau: that was a temporary blib it now asks for WEP fine, but it doesn't work with the ascii password I put into my router [14:39] Riddell: is it an ascii passphrase or an ascii key? [14:40] agateau: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/router.png [14:40] I think that's an ascii key I enter in the box, click generate and it turns it into hex [14:41] Riddell: yes, it's just a way to generate random hex keys [14:41] agateau: so that's not the ascii password thing we want to test? [14:41] no [14:42] Riddell: What other options do you have in Security Mode? [14:42] what a pointless feature [14:42] 64 bit WEP, 128 bit WEP, WPA/WPA2-Enterprise(RADIUS), WPA/WPA2-Personal(PSK) [14:42] WEP you mean? It's been pretty well cracked for most of a decade now. [14:43] ScottK: sure, but you would still want knetworkmanager to support it [14:43] Certainly [14:43] generate key I mean, the user still has to care about the hex [14:43] Riddell: and I guess 128 bit WEP is hex as well [14:43] agateau: oui [14:43] Riddell: so you can't test, [14:43] fooey [14:44] Riddell: what you are looking for is a way to enter a 5 or 13 char ascii key [14:44] Riddell: I am "lucky" to have this in my adsl modem [14:44] but it would be nice to have other input on this [14:46] agateau: maybe asac or awe can test, they're our normal NM guys [14:46] Riddell: ok [15:37] Riddell: hardy -> Karmic upgrade worked no audio though [15:38] davmor2: No audio or some level is set to 0? [15:39] ScottK: I've set everything to 100% [15:39] OK [15:40] but everything else seems to be fine [15:40] so I'm assuming it is just a conf file that got screwed up in the upgrade process [15:40] davmor2: please use ubuntu-bug alsa-base right quick [15:41] dtchen: will do after I need to shoot off for about 30mins plus [15:47] so.. [15:47] how would one test the upgrade from hardy to karmic? [15:47] bug 452090 [15:47] Launchpad bug 452090 in sysvinit "adept fails to upgrade from hardy -> karmic" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/452090 [15:48] slacker_nl: it was broken but that bug now says its fixed and davmor2 just said it worked for him, so if you want to be an early tester that would be good, I can show you how [15:49] Riddell: just need the package for it (i upgrade via do-release-upgrade normally) [15:49] slacker_nl: please install adept-manager from hardy-proposed [15:49] k [15:49] and run sudo adept_manager --dist-upgrade-lts [15:49] k [15:49] that's all? [15:50] then click on blue up arrow and follow the prompts [15:50] ok [15:50] lemme backup my OS first and i'll test it today [15:50] good idea [15:50] will add a comment to 452090 with results or report here [15:51] whatever you prefer :) [15:52] Both would be nice [15:52] slacker_nl: corrected command> sudo adept_manager dist-upgrade-devel-lts [15:52] slacker_nl: also a comment on bug 439706 [15:52] Launchpad bug 439706 in adept "support hardy to karmic upgrades" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/439706 [15:52] Riddell: when you get a moment, could you sponsor kdebase from bzr for bug 454601? [15:52] Launchpad bug 454601 in kdebase "dolphin crashed with SIGSEGV in _start()" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/454601 [15:53] JontheEchidna: ok [15:53] thx [16:08] Riddell: ok, will do [16:30] dtchen: bug 456407 [16:30] Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/456407/+text) [16:32] I have a feeling/suspicion that kubuntu_12_folderview_retry.diff from kdebase is causing bug 453874 [16:32] Launchpad bug 453874 in qt4-x11 "plasma-desktop crashed in QGraphicsScene::drawItems() hovering over a file without permissions" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/453874 [16:32] We know it doesn't happen upstream [16:33] JontheEchidna: it can probably be dropped [16:34] basically the patch retries when a directory fails to be listed [16:34] it helps folderview when running from low memory machines from a live CD [16:34] we could drop it for the RC and make sure to test on low memory [16:34] * JontheEchidna drops then [16:36] suppose I should testbuild first to see if that patch is causing it [16:36] JontheEchidna: can't [16:36] you'd need to put it onto a live cd [16:36] I mean the crash [16:36] oh you mean the..right [16:36] :) [16:39] JontheEchidna: I have a folder all configured to reproduce that if you want to put it in a PPA [16:39] ok [17:34] bug 418342 needs attention, if anyone's bored [17:34] Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/418342) [17:34] LP seems to be timing-out a lot today [17:35] bug 418342 [17:35] Launchpad bug 418342 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 "akonadi-server prevents install of mysql-server-5.0" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/418342 [17:36] (the akonadi portion of the bug) [17:36] man, it is slow right now [17:41] davmor2: sorry, was working on another bug. Are you trying to use built-in speakers or headphones? [17:41] dtchen: speakers in the monitor [17:42] external speakers in other words [17:43] davmor2: ok, please mute 'Headphone' [17:45] dtchen: muted running amarok for playback, still no audio :( [17:46] davmor2: does raising the levels for 'Side' help? [17:46] dtchen: everything is on 100% [17:47] davmor2: did you raise them after you submitted the bug? I'm using what's in your bug report. [17:47] dtchen: sorry looking at front not side 2 seconds [17:48] dtchen: Now I have audio :) [17:48] ok [17:51] Hello everybody. Can I help you with something? [17:51] Riddell: Can I help you with something? [17:53] PedroLeKoi: CDs and upgrades need testing. knetworkmanager needs testing if your wifi router can do WEP ASCII Keys. [17:54] Riddell: Did I do this upgrade test in the last week? Do you remember? [17:54] Riddell: If yes, I would prefer to do that one again. I can tell you, that I had allways trouble with WEP using ASCII keys... [17:55] PedroLeKoi: you tried the hardy upgrade and we found problems, that should be fixed now so we need it tested again [17:57] Nightrose: facebook fail. [17:58] Riddell: O.k. I will work on this task immediatelly. Maybe I have to ask you questions again, because I am at a different place right now. [18:00] eviljussi01: Redundant (not a facebook fan) [18:02] claydoh_: Doing release notes this week? [18:03] ScottK: of course, i have it in my calendar now :) === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh [18:03] Excellent. [18:04] any big changes I miss? [18:04] Mostly fixing goodness I think. [18:04] We got 4.3.2 since the beta [18:04] yeah [18:05] Kubuntu Netbook got improved, broken, and fixed in the meantime [18:05] and general \upgrade testing [18:05] Yep. [18:05] Upgrade path from Hardy -> Karmic is ~working [18:06] hardy upgrades working/need testing? [18:06] cool [18:06] Both [18:06] kpackagekit, knetworkmanager goodness as well [18:07] Knetworkmanager, sure. [18:07] wow this release is already sooo good :) [18:07] Kpackagekit might be marginally less full of fail than before, but it still sucks [18:07] claydoh: new k3b alpha [18:07] imo it works fine [18:07] Riddell: woo hoo [18:08] claydoh: I've only tried it a few times for updates and have yet to have it work. [18:08] though it is not perfect it does the job well for a lot of people [18:08] Also it seems not to notice there are upgrades for some variable time [18:09] ScottK: that one I agree on, it takes some time [18:09] claydoh: That's a clear regression from Jaunty, BTW. [18:09] I haven't used the cli to update in quite a while now [18:10] I pretty well gave up when it thought I had broken packages and told me to use a 'advanced' package manager like synaptic or aptitude to fix it. [18:10] ScottK: but it don't do the crashy-dance so much :) [18:10] Agreed [18:10] somehow I have missed that message [18:11] In many cases it doesn't seem to even aspire to be a feature complete package manager [18:11] is knetwork manager mostly working for most? [18:11] AFAIK, yes. [18:11] it has for me now, except for hidden networks [18:11] That one is unquestioned progress from Jaunty [18:13] Riddell: There was this certain option for adept_manager. Something like '--dist-upgrade-tln' or something. It's still not included in the options displayed by typeing 'adept_manager --help'. [18:13] * claydoh has been wasting time installing debian and arch in virtualbox, should pay more attention to useful things [18:14] PedroLeKoi: sudo apt-get install adept-manager [18:14] well useful at the moment type things rather [18:14] Riddell: Are we to the point where if I did a Jaunty -> Karmic upgrade we could count it for an upgrade test on the ISO tracker? [18:15] ScottK: yes I'd say so, the only change I'm waiting on is ubiquity which doesn't matter for upgrades [18:15] OK. Thanks. [18:15] Time to use the teenagers as experimental subjects. [18:16] Wait. That didn't come out right. ;-) [18:16] ScottK: sure it did :D [18:16] could save on college fees that [18:16] Middle child (15) is home with a high fever today. [18:17] I've been tempted to joke about not giving her medicine resulting in both long an short term savings [18:18] it's jokes like that which make me glad I live where I do :) [18:18] when I was little, whenever me or my brother complained that a body part hurted, my dad always suggested we amputate it [18:19] well, not always, but he is a kidder like that :P [18:19] I think I'd get on well with your Dad [18:19] He says "repeating bad jokes is the father's perogative" [18:20] When there is a hair crisis in the house (and with three daughters it's not rare), I generally recommend a stapler as part of the solution. [18:20] He right. [18:20] the worrying part is when you grow old you start repeating your dad's bad jokes [18:20] The standard answer to "what are we having for dinner" is "Snails". [18:20] So far I've got my own set. [18:21] my dad used to say we should go in the backyard and look for a log with grubs in it [18:21] The worrying part is when the 6 year old starts using sarcasm right back at you because she's used to it. [18:23] PedroLeKoi: make sure you have adept-manager 2.1.3ubuntu25.2 installed then run "sudo adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel-lts" [18:23] then click on the blue up-arrow [18:24] * Riddell canoes [18:24] Riddell: is there a problem with phonon right now? I can't build Amarok anymore [18:24] Shouldn't be. === highvolt1ge is now known as highvoltage [18:36] Riddell: apt-get tells me that the newest version of adept-manager is already installed. [18:38] Riddell: I doubt this. Maybe the system in the chroot environment is halfway updated from hardy to jaunty... [18:38] Riddell: At least the source.list file contained some entries with a jaunty extension... === PedroLeKoi2 is now known as PedroLeKoi1 [18:43] eviljussi01: ? :D [18:43] what are you talking about? === PedroLeKoi1 is now known as PedroLeKoi [18:48] Riddell: The command 'sudo apt-get install adept-manager' doesn't work. Apt-get tells me that the newest version of adept-manager is already installed. [18:48] Riddell: At the same time it looks like my chroot system has to be reinstalled because it's half hardy half jaunty... === steveire is now known as steveire_ [19:22] PedroLeKoi: oh right, yes, you'll need to make a new chroot [19:23] Riddell: I did it already. I remembered that I noted the proper commands. [19:25] Riddell: Now it shows me the option '--dist-upgrade-devel-lts'. Is that the one you want me to use? [19:25] * ScottK is doing Jaunty -> Karmic upgrade test [19:26] asserts should be reported? quassel asserts if you "/query" in the input bar. the crash report thingy says somethig like it doesn't admit those bugs [19:28] PedroLeKoi: yes please [19:29] m4v: it's a crash like any other unless Sput has some paticular avertion to them [19:30] Riddell: ok, I hope he doesn't. [19:30] I don't :) [19:30] please report at bugs.quassel-irc.org if possible [19:30] not sure if apport links you to that [19:31] I don't think so, anyway apport doesn't want to report asserts, that's why I asked [19:32] ah ok [19:32] * Sput has never seen that tool [19:33] hmm, I wonder why apport has an advertion to asserts [19:36] Riddell: If I type 'sudo adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel-lts' system tells me: sudo unable to resolve host xyz. [19:37] Riddell: If I type 'adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel-lts' system tells me: adept_manager: cannot connect to X server :0 [19:41] Riddell: I remeber that I mounted some directories (dev, proc, etc...) I didn't do that after deleting the old system. I that's a possible reason: Please tell me those commands again. [19:48] Dum-di-dum di-dum-di-dum... [19:51] ScottK: https://edge.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+archive/ppa [19:52] PedroLeKoi: first line looks like sudo doesn't know host xyz, you can work around it by adding host xyz to /etc/hosts [19:53] slacker_nl: Thank you. I will continue with that hint. [19:53] PedroLeKoi: yw [19:53] * slacker_nl waits for all the updates to finish so I can start my hardy > karmic upgrade [19:54] slacker_nl: File containes a single entry. That is the right hostname... [19:55] thanks m4v [19:55] PedroLeKoi: a single entry? [19:55] slacker_nl: I didn't mount dev and proc directory. Do you think this could be the reason... [19:55] slacker_nl: Yes. [19:56] slacker_nl: hostname is 'kub-devel'. [19:56] Sput: np [19:58] PedroLeKoi: you're in a chroot'ed enviroment? [19:58] slacker_nl: That's right. [19:58] PedroLeKoi: and when your in your chroot env, hostname returns? [19:58] PedroLeKoi: from outside the chroot [19:58] mount -t none -o bind /tmp chroot/tmp [19:59] same for dev and proc [19:59] also xhost + [19:59] Riddell: Thank you. [20:00] Riddell: i have adept-manager 2.1.3ubuntu25.2 installed from hardy-proposed [20:00] Riddell: assume that is correct to start upgrading? [20:02] ScottK: Removing the folderview patch stops the crash for me [20:03] my testcase: hover over /lost+found [20:05] my hardy-karmic upgrade crashed the virtual machine [20:05] but so did the arch install I was running as well [20:05] concurrently [20:08] Riddell: Release Announcement: Welcome to the Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' development release... [20:09] Riddell: Downloaded 'the upgrade tool'... [20:10] Riddell: ImportError: No (python) module named apt. [20:10] * apachelogger likes the python :P [20:12] PedroLeKoi: you need to install kubuntu-desktop first [20:12] sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [20:13] Riddell: Maybe you like to see the whole story: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/297733/ [20:14] JontheEchidna: Excellent. [20:14] PedroLeKoi: yes, it needs sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [20:15] whoever added brightness osd, thank you! [20:15] JontheEchidna: I think we'll want a Jaunty SRU too. [20:16] Lure: debfx did :) [20:16] ScottK: ok, I've pushed the fix to bzr for karmic [20:16] nominating jaunty in the bug === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Final Freeze in effect | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | We need testing. [20:16] I am going to install 1.5 GB of data, right? That is something! Let's do it then... [20:16] debfx: thank you - you rock! [20:17] JontheEchidna: Do you know if the brightness stuff went upstream? [20:18] ScottK: I do not know. It should if it hasn't. [20:18] as should the shortcut patch to kdelibs it relies on [20:18] Lure: you're welcome :) [20:20] debfx: Did it go upstream? [20:21] ScottK: not yet, the kdelibs patch depends on the Qt patch [20:22] debfx: Is the Qt patch in 4.6? [20:26] ScottK: no [20:27] debfx: Qt 4.6 is in beta now, so please submit soon. [20:28] slightly nutty blog post http://ubuntu-user.com/Online/Blogs/Marcel-Gagne-Orbiting-Planet-buntu/Karmic-Koala-Ubuntu-Gets-The-K [20:29] The Qt patch is in the kdeqt git repo [20:30] which usually means it's upstream, or will be soon [20:30] ScottK: there is already a merge request: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/merge_requests/1742 [20:30] debfx: Great. [20:31] Riddell: For a large value of slightly, sure. [20:31] * JontheEchidna got a laugh out of it [20:33] Riddell: that blogpost made me laugh [20:47] Riddell: I updated the brightness patch a bit: disabled fake transparency, changed opacity from 75 to 85 and some cleanup [20:47] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/297764/ [20:48] slacker_nl: ...you're telling me it was a joke? [20:49] Tm_T: i sure hope not [20:49] would be time for ubuntu to change to KDE as their main DE [20:50] and de Koala release seems to be ready for it [20:50] * ScottK thinks it should be pretty easy to configure plasma to do what Gnome shell intends. [20:50] Not really. [20:50] Karmic is way better than Jaunty and Jaunty was way better than Intrepid, but we've a long ways to go. [20:50] ScottK: imo karmic is the best KDE release (kde4 release) i have seen [20:51] slacker_nl: No doubt. [20:51] the intrepid release was horrible [20:51] ScottK: but I don't see any reasons why KDE could not be the default DE [20:52] I don't think gnome is that good [20:52] or awesome or whatever [20:52] slacker_nl: ...and my pc is still on intrepid [20:52] Tm_T: sucks to be you mate ;) [20:53] debfx: it'll need to wait until after RC, please remind me then [20:53] slacker_nl: indeed, atleast I do have kde from trunk [20:53] * Tm_T is waiting for new hardware [20:53] I had major issues with intrepid, kde4.0 which was not really ready - and some Xorg/Intel bug [20:53] which made the whole experience very painfull [20:54] slacker_nl: Intrepid was KDE 4.1. [20:54] ScottK: it was? [20:54] It was [20:54] i stand corrected then [20:54] The xorg/intel thing wasn't KDE's fault either. [20:54] but I still didn't like it :) [20:54] i know [20:54] It was a *buntu specific patch that we got dropped in Jaunty [20:55] intrepid was intended to be intrepid, that was the name [20:55] I still have a version without the patch in my PPA for Intrepid. [20:55] well, actually, I didn't had issues when using gnome... [20:55] Much as Edgy was intended to be Edgy. [20:55] eitherway, went back to hardy [20:55] and intrepid was better than jaunty in various painful ways [20:55] True, although overall I liked Jaunty better. [20:56] but karmic is good, and in six months time we'll be ready for an LTS [20:56] LTS will include 4.3.2 ? [20:56] 4.4.2 most likely [20:56] nice [21:00] Riddell: Kubuntu is going to be updated on Version 9.10 [21:02] Riddell: ... to Version 9.10. Sorry for that one. [21:02] Riddell: Updates are going to be downloaded. This seems to work... [21:03] only issue I have is that the upgrade broke my wireless connection [21:03] well, it is still busy upgrading [21:17] JontheEchidna: Would you please take a look at Bug 447275 [21:18] Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/447275) [21:19] oh darn, I forgot to get that sponsored [21:21] Launchpad bug #415023 seems to affect Kubuntu as well. (Changing brightness is broken; makes brightness setting bounce back and forth, making system unresponsive [buttons don't work], high cpu use.) What package should it also be filed against? Powerdevil? I.e, what is the KDE equavilence of gnome-power-manager? [21:21] Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/415023) [21:21] PedroLeKoi: great [21:22] zorael: kdebase-workspace [21:23] Riddell: Upgrade from Jaunty -> Karmic on i386 passed. [21:24] zorael: what's the output of "lshal|grep brightness_in_hardware" on your system? [21:24] debfx: "laptop_panel.brightness_in_hardware = false (bool)" [21:27] zorael: does it happen when you use the brightness keys or the slider of the battery applet? [21:27] debfx: If it's of interest, dbus-monitor says the following when just trying to change the brightness up one step: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/297639/. It maxes out to 100% and then back down to 0% [21:27] debfx: both [21:31] ScottK: awooga [21:31] Riddell: the upgrade comes up with this, /usr/bin/diff: /etc/X11/app-defaults/Xedit: No such file or directory and then shows me a diff which says that there are no differences [21:32] zorael: did the brightness keys work before? [21:32] debfx: Oh yes, up until a reboot some time ago [21:33]