[04:37] <vorian> do we really still need papercuts?
[05:04] <ScottK> Haven't done much with it in a while.  We're pretty well focused on gaping wounds at the moment
[06:39]  * ScottK looks at Bug #453413 and points out to JontheEchidna that the removals go better when you subscribe the archive.
[07:14] <markey> http://maketecheasier.com/preview-of-kubuntu-karmic-koala/2009/10/19
[07:22] <markey> also: http://de.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/9vq46/preview_of_kubuntu_910_karmic_koala/
[07:22] <markey> vote it up :)
[08:27] <Riddell> "Overall, Karmic Koala looks more polished than any previous Kubuntu version and probably any other KDE-based distribution to date." ooh nice
[09:02] <Riddell> ryanakca: bug 456097
[09:10] <Riddell> ryanakca: I worked out how to fix it
[09:10] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: did you get the fix for darkroom?
[09:23] <Riddell> davmor2: moving the partition bar doesn't work!
[09:23] <Riddell> it crashes the installer!
[09:23] <Riddell> shtylman: ^^
[09:23] <davmor2> Yeap
[09:24] <Riddell> davmor2: do you have a bug number?
[09:24] <davmor2> Riddell: I'm going to have a look at the checkboxes again in a bit
[09:24] <davmor2> Riddell: yes thanks :)
[09:25] <davmor2> Bug 455580
[09:42] <Riddell> davmor2: is there another crash in the installer?
[09:47] <davmor2> Riddell: no just the awkward checkboxes that you say you don't have issues with ;)
[09:48] <hettar> hi, I've been trying out karmic, just curious if it is a known issue with eclipse not working properly, (buttons not pressing and weird stuff like that) ?
[09:50] <Riddell> hettar: we just do KDE here, maybe #ubuntu-java will know
[10:15] <hettar> I like the new installer btw. very slick loking
[10:16] <Riddell> yay for shtylman
[10:59] <markey> Riddell: Plasma just crashed again, latest Karmic updates, after exiting amarok
[10:59] <markey> here's a backtrace:
[10:59] <markey> http://pastebin.com/m78be9075
[11:00] <markey> (sorry, no debug symbols)
[11:01] <Riddell> markey: do you have anything in /var/crash?
[11:01] <Riddell> or did you turn off apport?
[11:01] <markey> yes, turned it off
[11:03] <markey> I'll install debug symbols for plasma-workspace, ok?
[11:03] <markey> maybe that will help
[11:04] <markey> the crashing definitely somehow is related to amarok (and its usage of LibPlasma)
[11:04] <markey> always happens either when starting amarok, or when exiting it
[11:05] <Riddell> ok
[11:08] <markey> what's the right package for debugging symbols?
[11:09] <Riddell> markey: kdebase-workspace-dbg
[11:09] <markey> thx
[11:26] <ryanakca> Riddell: Great, thanks
[12:11] <ghostcube> hmmm there is a nice youtube client for kde :)
[12:12] <ghostcube> minitube its worth a try
[13:01] <neversfelde> ghostcube: yes, nice application. Thank you for the recommendation.
[13:03] <ghostcube> neversfelde: no prob :) just found it on getdeb.net and thought this is cool
[13:05] <neversfelde> ghostcube: I should have a package for karmic in my ppa later today
[13:05] <ghostcube> ok :)
[13:27] <Riddell> who speaks spanish?  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuOpenWeek_ES  we should say hi to this Adolfo Fitoria chap
[13:28] <jpds> Riddell: Hola.
[13:33] <shtylman> Riddell: I will look into that...
[13:33] <apachelogger> backtracking is a nut
[13:51] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: ok, so turns out we already had a patch for Messages.sh that wasn't being applied. I can upload the fix once I boot back in to Linux
[13:53] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: thanks for subscribing the archive admin
[13:53] <Riddell> shtylman: evan fixed it
[13:53] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: No problem.  I found your bug and was like, "Oh, cool, I don't even have to write the removal bug."
[13:54] <JontheEchidna> heh
[13:57] <agateau> hi everybody!
[13:57] <agateau> Riddell: did you check my ppa for wep ascii key support?
[13:58] <agateau> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~agateau/+archive/ppa
[13:58] <agateau> (or anyone interested in wep ascii key support)
[14:00] <Riddell> agateau: nope, don't think you mentioned it before
[14:00] <agateau> Riddell: only on the bug report
[14:00] <Riddell> bah, who reads bugs? :)
[14:01] <agateau> I assume you did :)
[14:01]  * agateau hoped Riddell read them, because he does not
[14:01] <agateau> :)
[14:03] <Quintasan> it's just me or soprano2 doesn't work?
[14:03] <Quintasan> (Soprano::PluginManager) found no soprano plugin at  "/usr/lib/soprano/libsoprano_sesame2backend.so"
[14:03] <Quintasan> the files is there
[14:07] <ScottK> You installed the backend?
[14:09] <Sadly> hello
[14:09] <Sadly> hello
[14:10] <Riddell> why hello
[14:10] <jjesse> hello :)
[14:12] <Riddell> kkk
[14:12] <Riddell> agateau: I can still connect with hex, so it hasn't broken anything :)
[14:12] <Sadly> what does "devel" mean in the chatroom name?
[14:12] <agateau> Riddell: good!
[14:12] <jjesse> Sadly development
[14:13] <Sadly> ahm
[14:13] <Sadly> xD
[14:14] <jjesse> Sadly: so you have #kubuntu which is for support and #kubuntu-devel which is for kubuntu development needs
[14:14] <Sadly> you "do" kubuntu?
[14:15] <jjesse> yes the people here work on kubuntu development
[14:15] <Sadly> ok, take that note: Some intel wireless doesn't work well on any kubuntu-ubuntu.... A lot of blogs are full of that kind of comentaries...
[14:16] <Sadly> thanks for everything
[14:23] <Riddell> agateau: hum, I think I set my router to use an ascii password but now knetworkmanager only gives me a "None" option for security
[14:23] <Riddell> and it doesn't connect
[14:24] <agateau> Riddell: I doubt this is related to my patch, because it only touch the wep ui
[14:24] <agateau> it does not alter the security detection
[14:24] <agateau> Riddell: can you try the original package to check it's indeed a regression?
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> bla, we got 40 bug reports last night for kde stuffs
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> a good portion are dupes
[14:38] <Riddell> agateau: that was a temporary blib it now asks for WEP fine, but it doesn't work with the ascii password I put into my router
[14:39] <agateau> Riddell: is it an ascii passphrase or an ascii key?
[14:40] <Riddell> agateau: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/router.png
[14:40] <Riddell> I think that's an ascii key I enter in the box, click generate and it turns it into hex
[14:41] <agateau> Riddell: yes, it's just a way to generate random hex keys
[14:41] <Riddell> agateau: so that's not the ascii password thing we want to test?
[14:41] <agateau> no
[14:42] <agateau> Riddell: What other options do you have in Security Mode?
[14:42] <Riddell> what a pointless feature
[14:42] <Riddell> 64 bit WEP, 128 bit WEP, WPA/WPA2-Enterprise(RADIUS), WPA/WPA2-Personal(PSK)
[14:42] <ScottK> WEP you mean?  It's been pretty well cracked for most of a decade now.
[14:43] <agateau> ScottK: sure, but you would still want knetworkmanager to support it
[14:43] <ScottK> Certainly
[14:43] <Riddell> generate key I mean, the user still has to care about the hex
[14:43] <agateau> Riddell: and I guess 128 bit WEP is hex as well
[14:43] <Riddell> agateau: oui
[14:43] <agateau> Riddell: so you can't test,
[14:43] <Riddell> fooey
[14:44] <agateau> Riddell: what you are looking for is a way to enter a 5 or 13 char ascii key
[14:44] <agateau> Riddell: I am "lucky" to have this in my adsl modem
[14:44] <agateau> but it would be nice to have other input on this
[14:46] <Riddell> agateau: maybe asac or awe can test, they're our normal NM guys
[14:46] <agateau> Riddell: ok
[15:37] <davmor2> Riddell: hardy -> Karmic upgrade worked no audio though
[15:38] <ScottK> davmor2: No audio or some level is set to 0?
[15:39] <davmor2> ScottK: I've set everything to 100%
[15:39] <ScottK> OK
[15:40] <davmor2> but everything else seems to be fine
[15:40] <davmor2> so I'm assuming it is just a conf file that got screwed up in the upgrade process
[15:40] <dtchen> davmor2: please use ubuntu-bug alsa-base right quick
[15:41] <davmor2> dtchen: will do after I need to shoot off for about 30mins plus
[15:47] <slacker_nl> so..
[15:47] <slacker_nl> how would one test the upgrade from hardy to karmic?
[15:47] <Riddell> bug 452090
[15:48] <Riddell> slacker_nl: it was broken but that bug now says its fixed and davmor2 just said it worked for him, so if you want to be an early tester that would be good, I can show you how
[15:49] <slacker_nl> Riddell: just need the package for it (i upgrade via do-release-upgrade normally)
[15:49] <Riddell> slacker_nl: please install adept-manager from hardy-proposed
[15:49] <slacker_nl> k
[15:49] <Riddell> and run   sudo adept_manager --dist-upgrade-lts
[15:49] <slacker_nl> k
[15:49] <slacker_nl> that's all?
[15:50] <Riddell> then click on blue up arrow and follow the prompts
[15:50] <slacker_nl> ok
[15:50] <slacker_nl> lemme backup my OS first and i'll test it today
[15:50] <Riddell> good idea
[15:50] <slacker_nl> will add a comment to 452090 with results or report here
[15:51] <slacker_nl> whatever you prefer :)
[15:52] <ScottK> Both would be nice
[15:52] <Riddell> slacker_nl: corrected command>   sudo adept_manager dist-upgrade-devel-lts
[15:52] <Riddell> slacker_nl: also a comment on bug 439706
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: when you get a moment, could you sponsor kdebase from bzr for bug 454601?
[15:53] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: ok
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> thx
[16:08] <slacker_nl> Riddell: ok, will do
[16:30] <davmor2> dtchen: bug 456407
[16:32] <JontheEchidna> I have a feeling/suspicion that kubuntu_12_folderview_retry.diff from kdebase is causing bug 453874
[16:32] <ScottK> We know it doesn't happen upstream
[16:33] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: it can probably be dropped
[16:34] <JontheEchidna> basically the patch retries when a directory fails to be listed
[16:34] <Riddell> it helps folderview when running from low memory machines from a live CD
[16:34] <Riddell> we could drop it for the RC and make sure to test on low memory
[16:34]  * JontheEchidna drops then
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> suppose I should testbuild first to see if that patch is causing it
[16:36] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: can't
[16:36] <Riddell> you'd need to put it onto a live cd
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> I mean the crash
[16:36] <Riddell> oh you mean the..right
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> :)
[16:39] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I have a folder all configured to reproduce that if you want to put it in a PPA
[16:39] <JontheEchidna> ok
[17:34] <JontheEchidna> bug 418342 needs attention, if anyone's bored
[17:34] <tsimpson> LP seems to be timing-out a lot today
[17:35] <JontheEchidna> bug 418342
[17:36] <JontheEchidna> (the akonadi portion of the bug)
[17:36] <JontheEchidna> man, it is slow right now
[17:41] <dtchen> davmor2: sorry, was working on another bug. Are you trying to use built-in speakers or headphones?
[17:41] <davmor2> dtchen: speakers in the monitor
[17:42] <davmor2> external speakers in other words
[17:43] <dtchen> davmor2: ok, please mute 'Headphone'
[17:45] <davmor2> dtchen: muted running amarok for playback, still no audio :(
[17:46] <dtchen> davmor2: does raising the levels for 'Side' help?
[17:46] <davmor2> dtchen: everything is on 100%
[17:47] <dtchen> davmor2: did you raise them after you submitted the bug? I'm using what's in your bug report.
[17:47] <davmor2> dtchen: sorry looking at front not side 2 seconds
[17:48] <davmor2> dtchen: Now I have audio :)
[17:48] <dtchen> ok
[17:51] <PedroLeKoi> Hello everybody. Can I help you with something?
[17:51] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: Can I help you with something?
[17:53] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: CDs and upgrades need testing.  knetworkmanager needs testing if your wifi router can do WEP ASCII Keys.
[17:54] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: Did I do this upgrade test in the last week? Do you remember?
[17:54] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: If yes, I would prefer to do that one again. I can tell you, that I had allways trouble with WEP using ASCII keys...
[17:55] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: you tried the hardy upgrade and we found problems, that should be fixed now so we need it tested again
[17:57] <eviljussi01> Nightrose: facebook fail.
[17:58] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: O.k. I will work on this task immediatelly. Maybe I have to ask you questions again, because I am at a different place right now.
[18:00] <ScottK> eviljussi01: Redundant (not a facebook fan)
[18:02] <ScottK> claydoh_: Doing release notes this week?
[18:03] <claydoh_> ScottK: of course, i have it in my calendar now :)
[18:03] <ScottK> Excellent.
[18:04] <claydoh> any big changes I miss?
[18:04] <ScottK> Mostly fixing goodness I think.
[18:04] <ScottK> We got 4.3.2 since the beta
[18:04] <claydoh> yeah
[18:05] <ScottK> Kubuntu Netbook got improved, broken, and fixed in the meantime
[18:05] <claydoh> and general \upgrade testing
[18:05] <ScottK> Yep.
[18:05] <ScottK> Upgrade path from Hardy -> Karmic is ~working
[18:06] <claydoh> hardy upgrades working/need testing?
[18:06] <claydoh> cool
[18:06] <ScottK> Both
[18:06] <claydoh> kpackagekit, knetworkmanager goodness as well
[18:07] <ScottK> Knetworkmanager, sure.
[18:07] <claydoh> wow this release is already sooo good :)
[18:07] <ScottK> Kpackagekit might be marginally less full of fail than before, but it still sucks
[18:07] <Riddell> claydoh: new k3b alpha
[18:07] <claydoh> imo it works fine
[18:07] <claydoh> Riddell: woo hoo
[18:08] <ScottK> claydoh: I've only tried it a few times for updates and have yet to have it work.
[18:08] <claydoh> though it is not perfect it does the job well for a lot of people
[18:08] <ScottK> Also it seems not to notice there are upgrades for some variable time
[18:09] <claydoh> ScottK: that one I agree on, it takes some time
[18:09] <ScottK> claydoh: That's a clear regression from Jaunty, BTW.
[18:09] <claydoh> I haven't used the cli to update in quite a while now
[18:10] <ScottK> I pretty well gave up when it thought I had broken packages and told me to use a 'advanced' package manager like synaptic or aptitude to fix it.
[18:10] <claydoh> ScottK: but it don't do the crashy-dance so much :)
[18:10] <ScottK> Agreed
[18:10] <claydoh> somehow I have missed that message
[18:11] <ScottK> In many cases it doesn't seem to even aspire to be a feature complete package manager
[18:11] <claydoh> is knetwork manager mostly working for most?
[18:11] <ScottK> AFAIK, yes.
[18:11] <claydoh> it has for me now, except for hidden networks
[18:11] <ScottK> That one is unquestioned progress from Jaunty
[18:13] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: There was this certain option for adept_manager. Something like '--dist-upgrade-tln' or something. It's still not included in the options displayed by typeing 'adept_manager --help'.
[18:13]  * claydoh has been wasting time installing debian and arch in virtualbox, should pay more attention to useful things
[18:14] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: sudo apt-get install adept-manager
[18:14] <claydoh> well useful at the moment type things rather
[18:14] <ScottK> Riddell: Are we to the point where if I did a Jaunty -> Karmic upgrade we could count it for an upgrade test on the ISO tracker?
[18:15] <Riddell> ScottK: yes I'd say so, the only change I'm waiting on is ubiquity which doesn't matter for upgrades
[18:15] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[18:15] <ScottK> Time to use the teenagers as experimental subjects.
[18:16] <ScottK> Wait.  That didn't come out right. ;-)
[18:16] <claydoh> ScottK: sure it did :D
[18:16] <Riddell> could save on college fees that
[18:16] <ScottK> Middle child (15) is home with a high fever today.
[18:17] <ScottK> I've been tempted to joke about not giving her medicine resulting in both long an short term savings
[18:18] <Riddell> it's jokes like that which make me glad I live where I do :)
[18:18] <JontheEchidna> when I was little, whenever me or my brother complained that a body part hurted, my dad always suggested we amputate it
[18:19] <JontheEchidna> well, not always, but he is a kidder like that :P
[18:19] <ScottK> I think I'd get on well with your Dad
[18:19] <JontheEchidna> He says "repeating bad jokes is the father's perogative"
[18:20] <ScottK> When there is a hair crisis in the house (and with three daughters it's not rare), I generally recommend a stapler as part of the solution.
[18:20] <ScottK> He right.
[18:20] <Riddell> the worrying part is when you grow old you start repeating your dad's bad jokes
[18:20] <ScottK> The standard answer to "what are we having for dinner" is "Snails".
[18:20] <ScottK> So far I've got my own set.
[18:21] <JontheEchidna> my dad used to say we should go in the backyard and look for a log with grubs in it
[18:21] <ScottK> The worrying part is when the 6 year old starts using sarcasm right back at you because she's used to it.
[18:23] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: make sure you have adept-manager 2.1.3ubuntu25.2 installed then run "sudo adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel-lts"
[18:23] <Riddell> then click on the blue up-arrow
[18:24]  * Riddell canoes
[18:24] <Mamarok> Riddell: is there a problem with phonon right now? I can't build Amarok anymore
[18:24] <ScottK> Shouldn't be.
[18:36] <PedroLeKoi1> Riddell: apt-get tells me that the newest version of adept-manager is already installed.
[18:38] <PedroLeKoi1> Riddell: I doubt this. Maybe the system in the chroot environment is halfway updated from hardy to jaunty...
[18:38] <PedroLeKoi1> Riddell: At least the source.list file contained some entries with a jaunty extension...
[18:43] <Nightrose> eviljussi01: ? :D
[18:43] <Nightrose> what are you talking about?
[18:48] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: The command 'sudo apt-get install adept-manager' doesn't work. Apt-get tells me that the newest version of adept-manager is already installed.
[18:48] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: At the same time it looks like my chroot system has to be reinstalled because it's half hardy half jaunty...
[19:22] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: oh right, yes, you'll need to make a new chroot
[19:23] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: I did it already. I remembered that I noted the proper commands.
[19:25] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: Now it shows me the option '--dist-upgrade-devel-lts'. Is that the one you want me to use?
[19:25]  * ScottK is doing Jaunty -> Karmic upgrade test
[19:26] <m4v> asserts should be reported? quassel asserts if you "/query" in the input bar. the crash report thingy says somethig like it doesn't admit those bugs
[19:28] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: yes please
[19:29] <Riddell> m4v: it's a crash like any other unless Sput has some paticular avertion to them
[19:30] <m4v> Riddell: ok, I hope he doesn't.
[19:30] <Sput> I don't :)
[19:30] <Sput> please report at bugs.quassel-irc.org if possible
[19:30] <Sput> not sure if apport links you to that
[19:31] <m4v> I don't think so, anyway apport doesn't want to report asserts, that's why I asked
[19:32] <Sput> ah ok
[19:32]  * Sput has never seen that tool
[19:33] <Riddell> hmm, I wonder why apport has an advertion to asserts
[19:36] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: If I type 'sudo adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel-lts' system tells me: sudo unable to resolve host xyz.
[19:37] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: If I type 'adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel-lts' system tells me: adept_manager: cannot connect to X server :0
[19:41] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: I remeber that I mounted some directories (dev, proc, etc...) I didn't do that after deleting the old system. I that's a possible reason: Please tell me those commands again.
[19:48] <PedroLeKoi> Dum-di-dum di-dum-di-dum...
[19:51] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: https://edge.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+archive/ppa
[19:52] <slacker_nl> PedroLeKoi: first line looks like sudo doesn't know host xyz, you can work around it by adding host xyz to /etc/hosts
[19:53] <PedroLeKoi> slacker_nl: Thank you. I will continue with that hint.
[19:53] <slacker_nl> PedroLeKoi: yw
[19:53]  * slacker_nl waits for all the updates to finish so I can start my hardy > karmic upgrade
[19:54] <PedroLeKoi> slacker_nl: File containes a single entry. That is the right hostname...
[19:55] <Sput> thanks m4v
[19:55] <slacker_nl> PedroLeKoi: a single entry?
[19:55] <PedroLeKoi> slacker_nl: I didn't mount dev and proc directory. Do you think this could be the reason...
[19:55] <PedroLeKoi> slacker_nl: Yes.
[19:56] <PedroLeKoi> slacker_nl: hostname is 'kub-devel'.
[19:56] <m4v> Sput: np
[19:58] <slacker_nl> PedroLeKoi: you're in a chroot'ed enviroment?
[19:58] <PedroLeKoi> slacker_nl: That's right.
[19:58] <slacker_nl> PedroLeKoi: and when your in your chroot env, hostname returns?
[19:58] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: from outside the chroot
[19:58] <Riddell> mount -t none -o bind /tmp chroot/tmp
[19:59] <Riddell> same for dev and proc
[19:59] <Riddell> also  xhost +
[19:59] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: Thank you.
[20:00] <slacker_nl> Riddell: i have adept-manager 2.1.3ubuntu25.2 installed from hardy-proposed
[20:00] <slacker_nl> Riddell: assume that is correct to start upgrading?
[20:02] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: Removing the folderview patch stops the crash for me
[20:03] <JontheEchidna> my testcase: hover over /lost+found
[20:05] <claydoh> my hardy-karmic upgrade crashed the virtual machine
[20:05] <claydoh> but so did the arch install I was running as well
[20:05] <claydoh> concurrently
[20:08] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: Release Announcement: Welcome to the Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' development release...
[20:09] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: Downloaded 'the upgrade tool'...
[20:10] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: ImportError: No (python) module named apt.
[20:10]  * apachelogger likes the python :P
[20:12] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: you need to install kubuntu-desktop first
[20:12] <Riddell> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[20:13] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: Maybe you like to see the whole story: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/297733/
[20:14] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Excellent.
[20:14] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: yes, it needs  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[20:15] <Lure> whoever added brightness osd, thank you!
[20:15] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I think we'll want a Jaunty SRU too.
[20:16] <JontheEchidna> Lure: debfx did :)
[20:16] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: ok, I've pushed the fix to bzr for karmic
[20:16] <JontheEchidna> nominating jaunty in the bug
[20:16] <PedroLeKoi> I am going to install 1.5 GB of data, right? That is something! Let's do it then...
[20:16] <Lure> debfx: thank you - you rock!
[20:17] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Do you know if the brightness stuff went upstream?
[20:18] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: I do not know. It should if it hasn't.
[20:18] <JontheEchidna> as should the shortcut patch to kdelibs it relies on
[20:18] <debfx> Lure: you're welcome :)
[20:20] <ScottK> debfx: Did it go upstream?
[20:21] <debfx> ScottK: not yet, the kdelibs patch depends on the Qt patch
[20:22] <ScottK> debfx: Is the Qt patch in 4.6?
[20:26] <debfx> ScottK: no
[20:27] <ScottK> debfx: Qt 4.6 is in beta now, so please submit soon.
[20:28] <Riddell> slightly nutty blog post http://ubuntu-user.com/Online/Blogs/Marcel-Gagne-Orbiting-Planet-buntu/Karmic-Koala-Ubuntu-Gets-The-K
[20:29] <JontheEchidna> The Qt patch is in the kdeqt git repo
[20:30] <JontheEchidna> which usually means it's upstream, or will be soon
[20:30] <debfx> ScottK: there is already a merge request: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/merge_requests/1742
[20:30] <ScottK> debfx: Great.
[20:31] <ScottK> Riddell: For a large value of slightly, sure.
[20:31]  * JontheEchidna got a laugh out of it
[20:33] <slacker_nl> Riddell: that blogpost made me laugh
[20:47] <debfx> Riddell: I updated the brightness patch a bit: disabled fake transparency, changed opacity from 75 to 85 and some cleanup
[20:47] <debfx> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/297764/
[20:48] <Tm_T> slacker_nl: ...you're telling me it was a joke?
[20:49] <slacker_nl> Tm_T: i sure hope not
[20:49] <slacker_nl> would be time for ubuntu to change to KDE as their main DE
[20:50] <slacker_nl> and de Koala release seems to be ready for it
[20:50]  * ScottK thinks it should be pretty easy to configure plasma to do what Gnome shell intends.
[20:50] <ScottK> Not really.
[20:50] <ScottK> Karmic is way better than Jaunty and Jaunty was way better than Intrepid, but we've a long ways to go.
[20:50] <slacker_nl> ScottK: imo karmic is the best KDE release (kde4 release) i have seen
[20:51] <ScottK> slacker_nl: No doubt.
[20:51] <slacker_nl> the intrepid release was horrible
[20:51] <slacker_nl> ScottK: but I don't see any reasons why KDE could not be the default DE
[20:52] <slacker_nl> I don't think gnome is that good
[20:52] <slacker_nl> or awesome or whatever
[20:52] <Tm_T> slacker_nl: ...and my pc is still on intrepid
[20:52] <slacker_nl> Tm_T: sucks to be you mate ;)
[20:53] <Riddell> debfx: it'll need to wait until after RC, please remind me then
[20:53] <Tm_T> slacker_nl: indeed, atleast I do have kde from trunk
[20:53]  * Tm_T is waiting for new hardware
[20:53] <slacker_nl> I had major issues with intrepid, kde4.0 which was not really ready - and some Xorg/Intel bug
[20:53] <slacker_nl> which made the whole experience very painfull
[20:54] <ScottK> slacker_nl: Intrepid was KDE 4.1.
[20:54] <slacker_nl> ScottK: it was?
[20:54] <ScottK> It was
[20:54] <slacker_nl> i stand corrected then
[20:54] <ScottK> The xorg/intel thing wasn't KDE's fault either.
[20:54] <slacker_nl> but I still didn't like it :)
[20:54] <slacker_nl> i know
[20:54] <ScottK> It was a *buntu specific patch that we got dropped in Jaunty
[20:55] <Riddell> intrepid was intended to be intrepid, that was the name
[20:55] <ScottK> I still have a version without the patch in my PPA for Intrepid.
[20:55] <slacker_nl> well, actually, I didn't had issues when using gnome...
[20:55] <ScottK> Much as Edgy was intended to be Edgy.
[20:55] <slacker_nl> eitherway, went back to hardy
[20:55] <Riddell> and intrepid was better than jaunty in various painful ways
[20:55] <ScottK> True, although overall I liked Jaunty better.
[20:56] <Riddell> but karmic is good, and in six months time we'll be ready for an LTS
[20:56] <slacker_nl> LTS will include 4.3.2 ?
[20:56] <JontheEchidna> 4.4.2 most likely
[20:56] <slacker_nl> nice
[21:00] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: Kubuntu is going to be updated on Version 9.10
[21:02] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: ... to Version 9.10. Sorry for that one.
[21:02] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: Updates are going to be downloaded. This seems to work...
[21:03] <slacker_nl> only issue I have is that the upgrade broke my wireless connection
[21:03] <slacker_nl> well, it is still busy upgrading
[21:17] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Would you please take a look at Bug 447275
[21:19] <JontheEchidna> oh darn, I forgot to get that sponsored
[21:21] <zorael> Launchpad bug #415023 seems to affect Kubuntu as well. (Changing brightness is broken; makes brightness setting bounce back and forth, making system unresponsive [buttons don't work], high cpu use.) What package should it also be filed against? Powerdevil? I.e, what is the KDE equavilence of gnome-power-manager?
[21:21] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: great
[21:22] <Riddell> zorael: kdebase-workspace
[21:23] <ScottK> Riddell: Upgrade from Jaunty -> Karmic on i386 passed.
[21:24] <debfx> zorael: what's  the output of "lshal|grep brightness_in_hardware" on your system?
[21:24] <zorael> debfx: "laptop_panel.brightness_in_hardware = false  (bool)"
[21:27] <debfx> zorael: does it happen when you use the brightness keys or the slider of the battery applet?
[21:27] <zorael> debfx: If it's of interest, dbus-monitor says the following when just trying to change the brightness up one step: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/297639/. It maxes out to 100% and then back down to 0%
[21:27] <zorael> debfx: both
[21:31] <Riddell> ScottK: awooga
[21:31] <slacker_nl> Riddell: the upgrade comes up with this, /usr/bin/diff: /etc/X11/app-defaults/Xedit: No such file or directory and then shows me a diff which says that there are no differences
[21:32] <debfx> zorael: did the brightness keys work before?
[21:32] <zorael> debfx: Oh yes, up until a reboot some time ago
[21:33] <zorael> debfx: it was the first time I saw the new brightness OSD, if that has any relevance
[21:35] <debfx> zorael: what laptop?
[21:35] <zorael> zorael: MSI Wind U100 rebrand (Advent 4211)
[21:35] <zorael> er
[21:35] <zorael> debfx: :3
[21:38] <debfx> guess the solution is to add a hal rule to set laptop_panel.brightness_in_hardware=true and honor it in powerdevil
[21:45] <neversfelde> Riddell: upstream told me that the kid3 fix gnome dialog finally works :)
[21:45] <neversfelde> +patch
[21:46] <Riddell> neversfelde: nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
[21:47] <Riddell> tsk, cats
[21:47] <Riddell> neversfelde: yay
[21:47] <neversfelde> :)
[21:55] <debfx> zorael: could you please attach the output of "dmidecode -t system" to that bug report
[22:01] <zorael> debfx: done (http://launchpadlibrarian.net/34074612/dmidecode.log)
[22:01]  * debfx still thinks that sending a brightness up/down key event on every brightness change is a stupid thing to do for the hardware
[22:03] <ScottK> Riddell: The only significant issue is that one kid had a bunch of widgets on her desktop and they were all gone after the upgrade.  Is that expected?
[22:04] <debfx> zorael: thanks, I'll prepare a testing package tomorrow
[22:05] <zorael> debfx: awesome, many thanks
[22:06] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: The procedure was terminated. Error messages under http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/297811/
[22:12] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: erk
[22:12] <Riddell> PedroLeKoi: ok guess I'll need to investigate that more, thanks for testing
[22:16] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: I am going to leave now. I probably won't be able to come online tomorrow. I will be back on Sunday or Monday. I will prepare the system so that I can start with the --dist-upgrade-devel-lts command right away. Maybe you can find some time to work on that bug. Take care, Pedro.
[22:19] <slacker_nl> Riddell: works for me (tm)
[22:21] <Riddell> slacker_nl: yeah it's probably because he's in a chroot
[22:22] <slacker_nl> Riddell: could be the case
[22:22] <slacker_nl> on my real laptop it works
[22:23] <slacker_nl> the only issue was the diff fo Xedit, which is only present in karmic afaik
[22:25] <Riddell> I've no idea what that's about
[22:27] <slacker_nl> i have no clue either
[22:28] <slacker_nl> would need to restore to see if that file should be in a hardy package
[22:28] <slacker_nl> or maybe change my sources back to hardy and do an apt-file update and check
[22:31] <slacker_nl> well, added comments to both bug 452090 and 439706 - hope it helps
[22:32] <Riddell> slacker_nl: could you also add it to iso tracker?
[22:32] <slacker_nl> Riddell: if you have an URL yes
[22:33] <Riddell> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all
[22:33] <Riddell> slacker_nl: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/3191
[22:33] <slacker_nl> wtf...
[22:33] <slacker_nl> konqueror bomb
[22:34] <slacker_nl> i think something went wrong
[22:36] <ScottK> davmor2: On kubuntu-netbook when I go straight to install without starting a live session, it seems it goes into some kind of loop and never starts the installer.  Did you see anything like this?
[22:36] <slacker_nl> clicking on that URL gave me a zillion konqueror startups (but no procs found via ps)
[22:36] <ScottK> Probably saved session.
[22:37] <davmor2> ScottK: Sweet no.  I've been on wubi, netboot and alternate all day sorry
[22:38] <slacker_nl> Riddell: don't know if my statment is correct
[22:43] <slacker_nl> ok, ho wcan i stop konquror processes from starting?
[22:49] <slacker_nl> Riddell: http://opperschaap.net/~wesleys/ubuntu/karmic/konqueror_acts_up_on_clipboard_action.mpeg << happens after the upgrade, did not notice this when doing hardy > intrepid > jaunty > karmic
[22:55] <JontheEchidna> what is that an upgrade from?
[22:55] <slacker_nl> JontheEchidna: hardy to karmic
[22:56] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[22:56] <slacker_nl> mm, now trying to mount my external disk, doesn't work either
[22:58] <JontheEchidna> slacker_nl: what's the default KDE web browser set as?
[22:58] <JontheEchidna> I'm wondering if in the past it was set to xdg-open or kfmclient (start konq) or something which causes a loop
[22:59] <slacker_nl> JontheEchidna: empty value
[22:59] <slacker_nl> should be firefox or iceweasel
[22:59] <JontheEchidna> then that shouldn't be the problem
[22:59] <slacker_nl> the value was empty, now set to ff
[23:00] <slacker_nl> weird
[23:00] <slacker_nl> ok, set the value to firefox and the problem is gone
[23:01] <slacker_nl> strange, the e-mail client is still icedove
[23:02] <slacker_nl> why the webbrowser field was empty..
[23:02] <ScottK> shtylman: Bug #456751 - Help.  Did this get fixed already?
[23:02] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^?
[23:05] <Riddell> ScottK: yes that should be fixed in 2.0.2
[23:05] <Riddell> current desktop ISOs have 2.0.1 and are being rebuilt
[23:05] <ScottK> Riddell: Glad to hear it.
[23:06] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 455580
[23:06]  * Riddell marks
[23:20] <ScottK> Riddell: Device notifier pops up during USB install.  Is this known?
[23:24] <Riddell> ScottK: USB install?
[23:25] <Riddell> you mean using usb-creator?
[23:25] <ScottK> Riddell: While I'm installing Kubuntu Netbook with a USB stick the device notifier pops us
[23:25] <ScottK> us/up
[23:25] <ScottK> Right, from a USB stick created with USB creator.
[23:25] <Riddell> I've not seen that but ubiquity does include a comment saying "TODO port kded devicenotifier unload to KDE 4"
[23:25] <ScottK> There's some point in the installer when it redetects everying and the device notifier pops up.
[23:26] <ScottK> OK.
[23:26] <ScottK> That sounds like it.
[23:28] <Riddell> it's probably just a dbus call that's needed but I never looked into what since I never saw it causing an issue
[23:29] <ScottK> Riddell: No jockey on the KNE ISO.
[23:30] <ScottK> I take that back.