[00:04] <rickspencer3> Amaranth, that sounds a bit hacky, does it not
[00:04] <rickspencer3> ?
[00:05] <Amaranth> rickspencer3: If it's stupid but it works it's not stupid ;)
[00:06] <rickspencer3> Amaranth, you're the expert, but we need to be extremely cautious at this point in time
[00:06] <rickspencer3> in any case, let's look at it tomorrow if/when we have a patch
[00:06] <Amaranth> Yeah, this is the same fix we originally had for the panels disappearing
[00:07] <Amaranth> It's a few X round trips
[00:09] <rickspencer3> Amaranth, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/455900
[00:09] <Amaranth> s/accessibility/using your computer/
[00:09] <rickspencer3> you might want to comment on the bug to keep anyone from freaking out, as I release targeted it ;)
[00:10] <TheMuso> rickspencer3: Note that this still exists in metacity as well.
[00:10] <rickspencer3> yeah, let me edit that
[00:10] <rickspencer3> TheMuso, really, as a seperate issue?
[00:10] <Amaranth> TheMuso: metacity has the same problem?
[00:10] <rickspencer3> I never noticed
[00:10] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - gnome-terminal is done now
[00:11] <Amaranth> I've seen things compiz handles better than metacity so it wouldn't be _too_ surprising
[00:11] <TheMuso> Occasionally, when I close a window when using orca, I lose focus completely. Can't use Orca navigation keys to click on a window, can't use shortcuts to switch to panel etc, gotta use the mouse to regain focus.
[00:11] <rickspencer3> bug #455900
[00:11] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ok, the libxklavier update is uploaded btw
[00:11] <Amaranth> But it's always nice to hear about ;)
[00:11] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - thanks
[00:11] <rickspencer3> hmm, thought I fixed the title
[00:11] <chrisccoulson> i'm glad that ones fixed now ;)
[00:11] <seb128> yeah, got work!
[00:13] <chrisccoulson> hmm, i don't think we want to update libgdata
[00:13] <seb128> no
[00:14] <chrisccoulson> the diff is pretty big ;)
[00:14] <seb128> did you figure something about slangasek's g-s-d crasher?
[00:15] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - it looks like it might be the xrandr issue that nobody else was responding too
[00:15] <chrisccoulson> i need to look at that next really
[00:16] <seb128> ok, I think I'm done for tonight
[00:17] <seb128> I will start not too late tomorrow to review pending things before rc images
[00:17] <rickspencer3> g'night seb128
[00:17] <TheMuso> Has someone taken care of the gnome-system-tools sponsor?
[00:17] <TheMuso> marked as triaged currently
[00:17] <TheMuso> That is if we are updating it.
[00:17] <seb128> TheMuso, thanks for doing some desktop sponsoring during your day ;-) if you could do chrisccoulson's recent update too that would be nice
[00:17] <TheMuso> seb128: sure thing.
[00:17] <seb128> TheMuso, no, anything not "fix commited" is to upload
[00:18] <TheMuso> no problem
[00:18] <TheMuso> ok
[00:18] <seb128> robert_ancell, if you run out of updates please look for git commits in things which didn't get a tarball to see if we should backport something
[00:18] <seb128> robert_ancell, gnome-applets sticknote crash for everybody which gets quite some duplicates
[00:19] <seb128> robert_ancell, the issue is a duplicate gtkbuilder id, would be nice to backport if there is no tarball during the night
[00:19] <seb128> night or day for you
[00:19] <chrisccoulson> night seb128
[00:20] <seb128> 'night rickspencer3 chrisccoulson
[00:20] <seb128> robert_ancell, oh and nautilus probably has some fixes to backport
[00:20] <seb128> I think alex is on paternity leave now
[00:20] <seb128> so there might be no tarball for it
[00:22] <seb128> there was a bug about nautilus crashing on ddn from file-roller
[00:22] <seb128> not sure if that got fixed in karmic yet
[00:22] <seb128> anyway time to get some sleep there
[00:24] <TheMuso> Anyone else getting read timeouts on the gnome FTP server?
[00:24] <chrisccoulson> TheMuso - yes, me too
[00:24] <TheMuso> Ok not just me and my connectino then.
[00:25] <TheMuso> gah connection
[00:31] <rickspencer3> good morning robert_ancell
[00:31] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, hey
[00:32] <TheMuso> Yay for alternate mirrors.
[00:33] <rickspencer3> hi awe
[00:33] <awe> rickspencer3, hey
[00:46] <TheMuso> gah my local mirror doesn't have 2.28.1 of gnome-terminal./
[00:47] <TheMuso> finally! got connected to the main ftp server
[00:50] <rickspencer3> didrocks, watching those gnome updates role in!
[00:51] <TheMuso> And there is more to come
[01:22] <virtuald> i don't get why my gnome-panels move to the secondary monitor every time i switch between kms and ums
[01:24] <robert_ancell> I'm doing gdm update now
[01:25] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: Ok, I'll keep an eye out for it.
[01:28]  * TheMuso does eog.
[01:50] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: COnnectivity issues again?
[01:50] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, yeah
[01:50] <TheMuso> suckage
[01:50] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell needs a better connection
[01:50] <robert_ancell> really annoying
[01:50] <TheMuso> Eog is done, let me know when gdm is ready.
[01:50] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, will do
[02:27] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: Is gnome-desktop-sharp part of the GNOME suite and hense part of the GNOME update?
[02:27] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, I don't know.  It is released in GNOME FTP with GNOME release schedule.  Note sure where the source in (not GNOME git)
[02:28] <TheMuso> right
[02:40] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: I think in this case, you're better off requesting a sync.
[02:41] <TheMuso> Since your diff appears to be the changes between our version and Debian's.
[02:41] <TheMuso> Ah yes, because the version in Karmic is straight from Debian as well.
[02:51] <robert_ancell_> TheMuso, gdm is ready
[02:53] <TheMuso> robert_ancell_: thanks a lot.
[02:53] <TheMuso> robert_ancell_: I also commented on the gnome-desktop-sharp2 bug. It should be a sync request.
[02:55] <robert_ancell_> doing gnome-control-center
[03:18]  * hyperair grumbles about gnome-power-manager randomly changing his screen brightness level
[03:19] <lifeless> still ?
[03:20] <TheMuso> hyperair: Is this with the latest version uploaded in the past 12 hours or so?
[03:20] <hyperair> hmm i'm not sure
[03:20] <hyperair> what version?
[03:21] <hyperair> for some reason gpm is resetting my brightness to full. i set it to 0% using xbacklight manually.
[03:21] <hyperair> Installed: 2.28.0-0ubuntu7
[03:24] <TheMuso> Right I think 2.28.1 was uploaded.
[03:26] <robert_ancell_> TheMuso, gnome-control-center ready
[03:26] <TheMuso> robert_ancell_: Gotcha.
[03:31] <TheMuso> robert_ancell_: you forgot to mention the refresh of debian/patches/99_autoreconf.patch for gnome-control-center
[03:35] <TheMuso> robert_ancell_: TO save you the hassle, I'll just add it to the changelog
[04:06] <robert_ancell_> TheMuso, seb128 said not to worry about noting autoconf refreshes
[04:10] <TheMuso> robert_ancell_: bah ok too late now.
[04:32] <TheMuso> u/c
[06:32] <augcampos> hi there
[06:34] <augcampos> msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER augcampos zdfbphtgfldl
[07:36] <pitti> Good morning
[07:51] <pitti> robert_ancell: hm, so you think we should bring back services-admin?
[07:52] <pitti> robert_ancell: people kept shooting themselves into their feet even without the upstart problem..
[07:52] <robert_ancell> pitti: wasn't planning on it, why?
[07:52] <pitti> robert_ancell: sync request in bug 443312
[07:53] <pitti> robert_ancell: for karmic we could perhaps just cherrypick that git patch to fix timezone handling and SMB
[07:53] <robert_ancell> pitti, hmm, I thought I went through all the patches and didn't see any differences left.
[07:54] <pitti> robert_ancell: oh, hang on, services-admin is disabled in gnome-system-tools, right?
[07:54] <pitti> so even if we sync s-t-b, we wouldn't get it back
[07:54] <robert_ancell> pitti, yes, that makes sense - these are all servers
[07:56] <pitti> thanks
[07:59] <seb128> hey there
[08:00] <pitti> hey seb128
[08:00] <seb128> guten tag pitti
[08:00] <seb128> how are you?
[08:00] <robert_ancell> seb128, hey again :)
[08:00] <pitti> seb128: pretty well, thanks! and you?
[08:00] <seb128> hey robert_ancell, doing extra hours? ;-)
[08:00] <seb128> pitti, a bit tired but good otherwise
[08:01] <robert_ancell> seb128, I had to duck out for an hour this afternoon so you get an hour extra now :)
[08:01] <seb128> I see
[08:02] <robert_ancell> seb128, is there anything that needs updating? I can't find anything worth the risk
[08:02] <seb128> robert_ancell, I don't know what you did during your day yet
[08:02] <seb128> there was no new tarball out of gdm this night?
[08:02] <robert_ancell> done
[08:03] <seb128> ok, good
[08:03] <seb128> any news about the compiz focus issue?
[08:04] <seb128> robert_ancell, did you see my comments from yesterday about backporting git changes?
[08:05] <robert_ancell> seb128, don't think so, what changes?
[08:05] <seb128> doh
[08:05] <seb128> I wrote like 10 lines for you on the channel before going to bed
[08:05]  * robert_ancell scrolls up
[08:06] <robert_ancell> hmm, where is the channel history?
[08:07] <seb128> robert_ancell, you have it on http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ for example
[08:07] <seb128> robert_ancell, I was saying "please have a look to git changes for things which don't roll a tarball"
[08:08] <seb128> robert_ancell, especially there is a duplicate gtkbuilder id in sitckynotes gnome-applets crashing it for everybody
[08:08] <seb128> so would be nice to backport the git change if they don't roll a tarball
[08:08] <seb128> and having a look for nautilus changes would be nice too
[08:08] <seb128> alex is on paternity leave now I think
[08:09] <seb128> so he will not roll a tarball
[08:09] <seb128> and there is a popular crashes on dnd from file-roller which I'm not sure if fixed in karmic
[08:09] <robert_ancell_> seb128, I hope that's wasn't for me... connection dropped again
[08:09] <seb128> gnagnagna
[08:10] <robert_ancell_> it only drops when I really need it...
[08:10] <seb128> robert_ancell_, cf query
[08:10] <pitti> ok, sponsoring queue cleaned up
[08:11] <robert_ancell_> seb128, ah, thanks
[08:11] <seb128> anyway your work day is almost over so no point now
[08:11] <seb128> could you still have a look to this stickynote backport?
[08:11]  * seb128 needs to go for a few minutes to get coffee and something to eat
[08:12] <seb128> I started IRC before breakfast but I really need to get coffee and something in stomach
[08:12] <seb128> be back in a few minutes
[08:12] <robert_ancell_> seb128, ok
[08:12] <robert_ancell_> I just noticed some of the things I've said haven't made it to the log either.... damn isp
[08:14] <huats> morning everyone
[08:14] <mvo> robert_ancell do you work on g-c-i now?
[08:14] <didrocks> good morning everyone :)
[08:14] <pitti> hey didrocks
[08:14] <didrocks> seb128: y/w, thanks for sponsoring :)
[08:14] <didrocks> hi pitti
[08:16] <robert_ancell_> g-c-i?
[08:17] <robert_ancell_> mvo, oh, gnome-codec-install, no, I was just looking if we should update it
[08:17] <mvo> gnome-codec-install
[08:20] <mvo> robert_ancell if you have some spare time it would be great to do a quick triage over the bugs
[08:23] <robert_ancell_> mvo, ok will have a look tomorro
[08:23] <robert_ancell_> w
[08:25] <seb128> Amaranth, mvo, robert_ancell: any news about bug #455900?
[08:25] <seb128> that needs to be fixed this morning before images build
[08:26] <seb128> bug #455900
[08:27] <robert_ancell> seb128, haven't looked at this one
[08:27] <seb128> robert_ancell, Amaranth was on it when I went to bed
[08:28] <robert_ancell> seb128, should I put a second (LP: #1) link on the changelog for that gnome-applets fix?
[08:28] <seb128> robert_ancell, second?
[08:28] <seb128> robert_ancell, no, just the one for the sticknote crasher
[08:29] <robert_ancell> seb128, well this will be the second time is has been fixed  :)
[08:29] <seb128> oh, no, the bug has been reopened
[08:29] <seb128> and new bugs duplicates from this one
[08:29] <robert_ancell> yeah
[08:29] <robert_ancell> so do we put a second LP link so it autocloses or manually close it again
[08:31] <seb128> you autoclose the same bug
[08:31] <seb128> it has been reopened
[08:31] <seb128> so you can close it again
[08:32] <robert_ancell> but manually or via a (LP: #) link?
[08:32] <seb128> (lp: ...)
[08:32] <robert_ancell> ok
[08:33] <robert_ancell> seb128, ready for sponsorship
[08:33] <seb128> thanks
[08:33] <seb128> pitti, ^ do you think you could still look at this one?
[08:33] <seb128> I'm having a look to something else right now
[08:33] <robert_ancell> bug 422110
[08:33] <seb128> robert_ancell, thanks
[08:33] <robert_ancell> gtg, see you guys tomorrow
[08:34] <seb128> have good evenig robert_ancell
[08:34] <seb128> see you tomorrow
[08:34] <seb128> or maybe not, if we are frozen I might go to bed early today ;-)
[08:34] <seb128> does anybody knows what is going on with dxteam now?
[08:34] <seb128> do we expect updates from them before karmic?
[08:35] <seb128> MacSlow is working on a stable update fixing karmic milestoned bugs
[08:37] <seb128> mvo, ^ got a free slot for sponsoring?
[08:37] <mvo> seb128: I think I can do that, what/where?
[08:39] <seb128> mvo, a few line up from robert_ancell
[08:43] <mvo> seb128: ok, looking
[08:44] <seb128> mvo, thanks
[08:57] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[08:58] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson
[08:58] <seb128> had a good night?
[08:58] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i went to bed before 2am for a change! what about you?
[08:59] <seb128> same here
[08:59] <seb128> I'm still tired though
[08:59] <seb128> I should go to bed before 1am rather ;-)
[09:00] <chrisccoulson> heh, yeah, i feel a bit like that too ;)
[09:00] <chrisccoulson> i have to make sure i can handle the sleepless nights though
[09:03] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you are training for next month then? ;-)
[09:03] <chrisccoulson> i am ;)
[09:03] <chrisccoulson> not long to go now!
[09:03] <seb128> when is the due date?
[09:04] <seb128> november?
[09:05] <chrisccoulson> november 14th (i think)
[09:06] <chrisccoulson> but it could be any time really;)
[09:08] <mvo> seb128: lol@the stickynotes fix
[09:08] <seb128> mvo, it's wrong?
[09:08] <mvo> - vbox1
[09:08] <mvo> +vbox3
[09:08] <mvo> nothing wrong
[09:08] <mvo> just odd
[09:09] <mvo> I would have thought that while fixing it, it would get more meaningful names
[09:09] <seb128> right
[09:09]  * mvo uploads
[09:09] <mvo> its just dups, so it does not matter anyway :)
[09:11] <seb128> bah the internet
[09:12]  * seb128 just typed avahi.com rather than .org
[09:21] <chrisccoulson> heh, seb128 - i typed avahi.com on my work PC just out of curiosity
[09:22] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ;-)
[09:22] <seb128> your work internet let you browse it?
[09:22] <chrisccoulson> good job that nobody was standing behind me ;)
[09:22] <chrisccoulson> i'm using my 3G connection
[09:22] <seb128> oh right
[09:22] <seb128> yeah, sorry I should have given warnings on the channel
[09:23] <seb128> it was an honest typo on my side for the record
[09:23] <seb128> I really wanted to look to avahi.org ;-)
[09:23] <chrisccoulson> it's an easy mistake to make ;)
[09:24] <chrisccoulson> i use my 3G connection here all day normally - i don't think work would appreciate me spending all day on IRC on their network ;)
[09:25] <pitti> seb128: sponsor what? (sorry, needed to be away for 45 mins)
[09:25] <seb128> seems you are not working for a fun company
[09:25] <pitti> seb128: yes, I can do some sponsoring, etc.
[09:25] <seb128> pitti, what mvo uploaded 15 minutes ago
[09:25] <pitti> oops, sorry
[09:25] <seb128> that's ok
[09:25]  * pitti hugs mvo
[09:26] <seb128> pitti, btw davidbarth wants a new notify-osd tarball in karmic
[09:26] <seb128> they are working on rolling it now apparently
[09:26] <seb128> it fixes several crash issues
[09:26] <pitti> seb128: nothing in unapproved, was it already accepted?
[09:26] <pitti> hummkay
[09:26] <seb128> pitti, can you check with him maybe how feasable that is?
[09:26] <seb128> feasible
[09:27] <seb128> speaking of which
[09:27] <seb128> hey MacSlow
[09:27] <pitti> davidbarth: hi! if you want a new notify-osd, we need it nowish
[09:27] <pitti> MacSlow: ^
[09:27] <MacSlow> seb128, pitti: just rolling the tarball.
[09:30] <chrisccoulson> i'm really confused about this g-s-d crasher. am i right in thinking that the minor op code in a X request corresponds to the actual request when it is in an extension (ie, not part of the core X protocol). Does each X extension only gets 1 major op code, with each of the minor op codes corresponding to a particular request? Or have i got it totally wrong?
[09:30] <chrisccoulson> ^^^bryce__ (you might know that)
[09:34] <seb128> chrisccoulson, #ubuntu-x might be a better place to ask that
[09:34] <seb128> there is other xorgers there
[09:34] <seb128> mvo, how busy are you now? still having changes to land in karmic?
[09:34] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, i might try there
[09:35] <mvo> seb128: pretty busy, what do you need?
[09:36] <mvo> seb128: I need to do bug triage on upgrade issues, so if its more fun than that (and does not take too long) I can help
[09:36] <seb128> mvo, we need to do something about this compiz focus issue but I can manage it I think
[09:37] <seb128> http://git.compiz.org/compiz/core/patch/?id=0a28ca484a8a72060b580e0ccc75ea20f3ddab1a
[09:37] <seb128> mvo, ^ need to undo that change
[09:37] <seb128> oct. 19 23:52:57 <Amaranth>	http://git.compiz.org/compiz/core/patch/?id=8dcfbb256322565228cbcda5230de95343887fac and http://git.compiz.org/compiz/core/patch/?id=0a28ca484a8a72060b580e0ccc75ea20f3ddab1a
[09:37] <mvo> seb128: what is the impact?
[09:37] <seb128> in fact they might both go together
[09:38] <seb128> mvo, getting IRC log
[09:38] <seb128> oct. 19 23:48:15 <Amaranth>	Yeah the changes to fix windows moving on close are the only ones in core that seem to even be capable of causing this
[09:39] <seb128> oct. 19 23:52:57 <Amaranth>	http://git.compiz.org/compiz/core/patch/?id=8dcfbb256322565228cbcda5230de95343887fac and http://git.compiz.org/compiz/core/patch/?id=0a28ca484a8a72060b580e0ccc75ea20f3ddab1a
[09:39] <seb128> oct. 19 23:53:04 <Amaranth>	you have to back them out in that order
[09:39] <seb128> oct. 20 00:08:35 <Amaranth>	seb128: it's that second commit I linked to
[09:39] <seb128> oct. 20 00:09:13 <Amaranth>	So right now the choice is a cosmetic error (without that commit) or a focus issue (with it)
[09:39] <seb128> oct. 20 00:51:37 <Amaranth>	rickspencer3, seb128: The cosmetic thing is not as important for using compiz but users were for some reason freaking out about it
[09:39] <seb128> oct. 20 00:52:17 <Amaranth>	rickspencer3: Wait until tomorrow so I can try to fix or talk to cornelius1 about it
[09:40] <seb128>  
[09:40] <seb128> mvo, it's basically a summary
[09:40] <seb128> though we are late now
[09:40] <seb128> and I didn't hear from Amaranth
[09:40] <seb128> mvo, the bug is bug #455900
[09:41] <seb128> mvo, we decided we would roll the change back because focus issues are higher annoyance than a cosmetic one
[09:41] <seb128> we can still try to sneak a better fix in later when Amaranth is around but for not we need to move on
[09:41] <seb128> I told rick he would be sorted before he starts his day
[09:42] <mvo> seb128: I talked to upstream now, I will just undo it if I don't get a reply
[09:42] <mvo> seb128: when does he starts his day :) ?
[09:42] <seb128> mvo, in some 3 hours from now?
[09:42] <mvo> ok, so I will deal with it before lunch
[09:42] <mvo> otherwise you can poke me ;)
[09:42] <seb128> mvo, joke aside we want to focus issue fixed on rc and slangasek is waiting to roll images
[09:43] <chrisccoulson> heh, rick assigned that bug to the wrong Amaranth. there is a user on Launchpad called Amaranth with the LP id "karl-agius", and rick assigned it to him
[09:43] <seb128> doh
[09:43] <chrisccoulson> fixed
[09:43] <seb128> confusing
[09:43] <seb128> chrisccoulson, thanks
[09:44] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it is a bit confusing
[09:44] <davidbarth> pitti: seb128 passed on the message; we're uploading the tarball with accumulated fixes right now
[09:44] <seb128> pitti, do you want me to do the update, upload so you can review?
[09:45] <MacSlow> pitti, I'll ping you the moment notify-osd 0.9.24 is uploaded ... running a final check atm
[09:47] <pitti> seb128: if you have some time, yes
[09:47] <seb128> pitti, ok, handling that
[09:52] <mvo> seb128: I got a patch from upstream that should fix it
[09:53] <seb128> mvo, ok, feel free to upload that rather then
[09:53] <seb128> mvo, but is easy to get, on a command line type "gedit" and close gedit with the mouse not over your command line
[09:53] <seb128> the focus doesn't get back to the command line and it should
[09:53] <seb128> but -> bug
[09:53] <seb128> if you want to try the fix
[09:53] <seb128> or I can give it a try too
[09:54] <seb128> if you have a i386 or ppa build appreciated though
[09:54] <seb128> I don't fancy installing kde only to build compiz ;-)
[10:00] <davidbarth> pitti, seb128: missing icon symlinks for n-osd at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/notify-osd/+bug/453066
[10:00] <seb128> davidbarth, what happens without those and the new notify-osd?
[10:00] <seb128> what we have now or extra breakage?
[10:01] <davidbarth> seb128: what you have now
[10:01] <davidbarth> seb128: asac's patch fallbacks to the existing set if the extra symlinks are not there
[10:01] <seb128> ok good
[10:09] <chrisccoulson> wow, it seems like everyone is getting the flu here!
[10:10] <seb128> run away!
[10:10] <seb128> I guess by "here" you mean at your work place, not on irc ;-)
[10:11] <chrisccoulson> heh, yeah, at my work place
[10:11] <chrisccoulson> one person was away last week (my boss), and 2 more of my colleagues are away today
[10:11] <Laney> uh oh
[10:12] <seb128> davidbarth, MacSlow: how is this tarball going?
[10:12] <seb128> davidbarth, MacSlow: how is this tarball going?
[10:12] <chrisccoulson> i see an opportunity here for some time off!
[10:12] <seb128> ups
[10:12] <MacSlow> seb128, just signing it
[10:12] <seb128> chrisccoulson, right, just claim it before really getting the flu ;-)
[10:12] <seb128> chrisccoulson, would be a shame to have time off but have to stay in bed too
[10:14] <chrisccoulson> i couldn't fdo that - i'm far too professional ;)
[10:14] <chrisccoulson> lol
[10:15] <MacSlow> seb128, pitti, kenvandine: https://edge.launchpad.net/notify-osd/trunk/ubuntu-9.10
[10:17] <seb128> ok, looking to this one now
[10:19] <seb128> MacSlow, did you roll it from lp:notify-osd?
[10:19] <MacSlow> seb128, no... we've a dedicated lp:notify-osd/karmic branch
[10:19] <seb128> ok thanks
[10:19] <seb128> just to know what bzr merge to do the update
[10:20] <MacSlow> seb128, ah... sorry... forgot to mention that
[10:20] <seb128> that's ok
[10:24] <seb128> MacSlow, do you have a summary of changes somewhere?
[10:25] <MacSlow> seb128, see the ChangeLog on https://edge.launchpad.net/notify-osd/trunk/ubuntu-9.10
[10:25] <seb128> MacSlow, thanks
[10:25] <MacSlow> seb128, I guess that's what you're after
[10:25] <seb128> right
[10:25] <asac> seb128: meta2-gnome ... whats that?
[10:25] <asac> can i just upload that or is that something seeded?
[10:26] <mvo> seb128: no worries, I test it before lunch, I'm just fixing low-hanging fruits in g-c-i in the meantime
[10:26] <seb128> asac, the debian equivalent for ubuntu-desktop
[10:26] <seb128> asac, ie the dummy package to install gnome
[10:26] <seb128> asac, it's in universe
[10:26] <asac> seb128: it recommends xulrunner-1.9-dbg - dont ask me why
[10:26] <asac> ok i will fix that then
[10:26] <seb128> asac, it's probably gnome-dbg
[10:26] <seb128> they are have a dummy package to install debug for everything used in gnome
[10:27] <seb128> brb
[10:27] <seb128> session restart to try another update
[10:28] <asac> argh ... the debian gnome folks have this annoying control.in practice.
[10:28] <pitti> hey asac
[10:31] <asac> pitti: hi
[10:34] <mvo> asac, seb128: is bug #405155 not more a totem-mozilla bug?
[10:34] <asac> pitti: thx for the universe pushes. can do the archive removals of sugar-hulahop 456155 and imagezoom 455836
[10:34] <asac> with those and all the current universe uploads i can upload the xulrunner-1.9 transition too
[10:34] <asac> which fixes an really bad (probably RC bug too)
[10:35] <asac> bug #441552 that is
[10:36] <asac> aka also known as "extension bustage" ;)
[10:43] <seb128> mvo, the g-c-i utf thing, it's using gtkbuilder?
[10:43] <seb128> or there is another similar bug?
[10:43] <seb128> davidbarth, MacSlow: notify-osd uploaded
[10:43] <Laney> \o
[10:44]  * Laney looks forward to Banshee having album art again
[10:45] <pitti> MacSlow: quite a lot of changes; how much/long did you test this new version?
[10:46] <mvo> seb128: no, stock gtk
[10:46] <asac> ok i am done for karmic RC ;) ... lol
[10:46] <seb128> asac, good work!
[10:47] <mvo> asac: oh, I'm so jealous now :)
[10:47] <seb128> mvo, you slacker, I'm done for rc too! ;-)
[10:48]  * seb128 dumps some other bugs on mvo and watch him work
[10:48] <mvo> seb128: could you please look at #351130 then ?
[10:48] <seb128> davidbarth, ^
[10:48] <seb128> bug ##351130
[10:48] <mvo> seb128: looks like a totem issue to me
[10:48] <seb128> bug #351130
[10:49] <seb128> mvo, it's opened since jaunty, not a karmic blocker
[10:49] <seb128> mvo, but yeah, I can have a look
[10:50] <mvo> seb128: well, it just means we should have fixed it for jaunty already ;)
[10:50] <seb128> mvo, right
[10:51] <mvo> I hope its something simple
[10:51] <mvo> should I reassign to totem?
[10:51] <seb128> you can for now yes
[10:51] <seb128> where is slomo when you need him btw? ;-)
[10:59] <asac> ok so seems my xulrunner-1.9.1 bits have only a chance of ~50% to get approved for RC :/
[10:59] <MacSlow> pitti, depending on the individual fix... a week
[10:59] <davidbarth> seb128, pitti: used the test suite (both auto and manual tests) and the fixes were reviewed by at least 2 persons; but no specific field testing
[10:59] <pitti> MacSlow: ok, thanks
[11:00] <MacSlow> pitti, I ususally run the latest notify-osd crack on my two machines
[11:04] <Riddell> logging into ubuntu desktop any my keyboard stops working
[11:07] <Riddell> makes it hard to report this software centre crash
[11:11] <pitti> Riddell: could you ssh in and check if dbus and hal are still running?
[11:11] <pitti> we got some reports about dbus being killed on upgrades
[11:12] <pitti> I just updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus, great job everyone!
[11:12] <dpm> ArneGoetje, mvo, I've just been pointed out to bug 409785, I'm not sure who of you guys is best to ping about that one
[11:12] <mvo> dpm: IMNSHO the best fix it to disallow this in rosetta
[11:13] <mvo> dpm: so that the amount of "%s" in both strings must match
[11:13] <mvo> and the type as well
[11:13] <pitti> mvo++
[11:13] <mvo> its a can of worms otherwise
[11:13] <pitti> not just the amount, the exact sequence of % must match
[11:13] <pitti> like %s %i %i
[11:13]  * mvo nods
[11:15] <dpm> mvo, what exactly needs to be disallowed?, IIRC, if the format specifier is correct in the POT file, Rosetta does error checking
[11:17] <mvo> dpm: if it does check, the checks are broken (or not covering enough etc). basicly the problem is that a string like "%s item" for ngettext is translated as "one item" instead of "%s item"
[11:18] <mvo> dpm: I guess this is nicer for a lot of languages, but it makes python rather unhappy
[11:18] <Riddell> pitti: hal and dbus are running
[11:35] <mvo> seb128: compiz uploaded
[11:35]  * mvo lunches
[11:38] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, anyone got any idea bout bug 456203
[11:39] <chrisccoulson> s/bout/about
[11:39] <chrisccoulson> i can't see any error in the logs :-/
[11:56] <asac> mvo: how is the ppa integration in software-center going?
[12:07] <mvo> asac: not at all, generic packages will be lucid, but not karmic
[12:07] <dpm> ara, mvo, as commented in the bug, I've now contacted the translator to fix the translations in Rosetta. In case he's not responsive, I've removed the translations from Rosetta, so at least they won't be used in the next language pack export (on the 22nd). They will appear untranslated, but at least there won't be a crasher. Let me know if there is anything else I can help with
[12:08] <seb128> mvo, can you look to the g-s-d issue from chrisccoulson?
[12:09] <seb128> mvo, btw good work on the compiz update ;-)
[12:09] <seb128> (didn't try yet but I will do when it's available)
[12:09] <mvo> seb128: I have a look
[12:09] <mvo> seb128: compiz> thanks, works for me, lets hope its fully fixed
[12:10] <seb128> mvo, upstream seems to be pretty reactive ;-)
[12:10] <mvo> I love the bunch
[12:10] <mvo> :)
[12:10] <seb128> ;-)
[12:11] <asac> mvo: generic? what does that mean?
[12:11] <mvo> the g-s-d one is mysterious
[12:11] <mvo> asac: right now s-c can *only* install stuff that is in app-install-data (just like gnome-app-install)
[12:11] <mvo> only in version 2 there will be support to install packages that are not explicitely listed there
[12:13] <asac> mvo: good. i assume you are busy till end of release?
[12:14] <mvo> asac: yes, but let me know if I can do anything for you, I will try my best
[12:14] <asac> mvo: heh. just want to discuss a few things. looking in providing a "daily-testers-ui" thing ... that allows users to usbscribe to specific mozilla products and branches they want to track etc.
[12:15] <mvo> asac: we could have a phonecall about that, its probably a good idea to toss some ideas around
[12:16] <asac> mvo: right thats the idea ... bbi5minutes
[12:19] <slomo> pitti, seb128: hi, could one of you accept boost1.40 1.40-2ubuntu1? :) fixes FTBFS with gcc 4.4
[12:19] <pitti> yep, already reviewing queue
[12:19] <slomo> perfect, thanks
[12:24] <mvo> slomo: !
[12:24] <slomo> mvo: thanks for looking at the gnome-codec-install bugs :) do you want me to merge your bzr branch or will you commit the stuff to svn too?
[12:25] <mvo> slomo: that would be great
[12:25] <mvo> slomo: should be pretty simple most of it
[12:25] <mvo> slomo: there is also a bug open that you know something about bug #351130
[12:25] <mvo> slomo: it looks like totem is for some resaon not running the gnome-codec-installer (for dvds)
[12:26] <slomo> mvo: yes, i fixed that in gst-plugins-bad 0.10.14.1
[12:27] <mvo> slomo: what was the problem? is that safe to sync?
[12:27] <slomo> the problem was, that the dvd plugin doesn't say that plugins are missing and instead simply fails :)
[12:27] <slomo> and no, not safe to sync (unless you want to sync gst-plugins-ugly0.10 too)
[12:28] <slomo> and new gst-plugins-bad has lots of new features, some of them nice to have (especially the dvd related ones)
[12:28] <mvo> slomo: hm, ok, is the patch small enough to backport?
[12:28] <slomo> mvo: that patch is but it depends on many other changes in the dvd plugin (which depend on changes in a single other plugin)
[12:34] <slomo> seb128: what do you think about gst-plugins-{bad,ugly} pre-releases for karmic?
[12:35] <seb128> slomo, the freeze was one week ago no way
[12:36] <slomo> seb128: what i expected, ok thanks :)
[12:36] <seb128> you're welcome
[12:37] <slomo> mvo: ^--- seb128 says "no way" :) so next release ;)
[12:38] <seb128> well it's in universe and I'm not the one deciding there
[12:38] <seb128> but getting a pre-version with ton of changes and new feature now...
[12:38] <seb128> it seems a bit suboptimal
[12:40] <mvo> I was hoping we could just backport that one change, but if that is not feasible, well
[12:41] <asac> mvo: do you have a commit?
[12:41] <mvo> asac: a commit to what branch?
[12:41] <asac> to whatever you wanted a backport ;)
[12:42] <mvo> asac: well, slomo said it depends on a lot of other stuff, so probably not a good idea
[12:42] <asac> e.g. upstream-commit to backport
[12:42] <asac> ok
[12:44] <asac> seb128: bug 451864 ... in-or-out?
[12:45] <asac> i mean the upstream version
[12:45]  * asac isnt sure its gnome
[12:56] <asac> annoying for me ... release managers will kill me i guess
[12:56] <asac> ;)
[12:56] <asac> sorry ... that was comment on seahorse plugins :)
[13:05]  * asac uploaded seahorse-plugins with properly dropped gecko configure flag
[13:05]  * asac takes a note to not dump prepared work to give credits for sponsorees ;)
[13:07] <pitti> asac: looking
[13:08] <seb128> pitti, what is our margin for updates now? there is a nautilus 2.28.1 which would be interesting to get, we can still sneak it in?
[13:09] <pitti> seb128: post-RC most probably; please upload, though, so that it's in the queue
[13:09] <seb128> ok
[13:11] <asac> seb128: same for devhelp? or rather lucid?
[13:11] <seb128> asac, you can do it if you want, it's not one the CD I guess it could be updated
[13:11] <asac> its a sync from what i can tell
[13:11] <asac> will let someone test it
[13:12] <pitti> DVD, though
[13:12] <asac> hmm
[13:12] <asac> ok
[13:12] <seb128> pitti, right, but should not be an issue after rc, no?
[13:13] <seb128> pitti, ie are we really concerned about potential minor bugs on the dvd?
[13:13] <pitti> seb128: they need to be current, though
[13:13] <pitti> we shouldn't release a karmic DVD which isn't really karmic
[13:13] <asac> i assume we dont want to build something and let the dvd images wait longer
[13:14] <seb128> pitti, you mean we will not respin dvds after rc?
[13:14] <istaz> seb128: hi, just made the 0.5.2 release for telepathy-butterfly with offline message support and I wrote a patch to disable the Audio/Video Calls, any chance it can be in karmic or is it too late?
[13:14] <seb128> pitti, ^
[13:14] <pitti> seb128: we will
[13:14] <seb128> istaz, I would say it's late now, freeze is in action for almost a week and rc images rolled today
[13:14] <asac> SRU
[13:14] <istaz> ah too bad :(
[13:15] <pitti> sounds like new features?
[13:15] <asac> but thats a feature
[13:15] <asac> yeah
[13:15] <seb128> pitti, or things working in jaunty with pidgin and broken now if you want to use a different angle
[13:15] <seb128> but right
[13:29] <seb128> asac, there is a new gnome-bluetooth version
[13:29] <seb128> "        - Fix crash when inserting the first Bluetooth
[13:29] <seb128>           adapter after start"
[13:30] <seb128> asac, not sure if that's something we want for karmic
[13:30] <asac> seb128: i already fixed that i think
[13:30] <seb128> ok good
[13:30] <asac> let me check
[13:30] <asac> i fixed almost all rfkill conditions (which was the cause of this afair)
[13:32] <asac> yeah we have better patches
[13:32] <seb128> ok, good, thanks
[13:33] <asac> will see if hadess wants them after release
[13:47] <seb128> pitti, ok, nautilus uploaded, review if you can before karmic, before or after rc or as a sru it's ok
[13:47] <seb128> it fixes a frequent crasher on dnd from file-roller and some issues
[13:47] <seb128> so would be nice to get
[13:47] <pitti> seb128: thanks; after RC most probably
[13:47] <seb128> but it could be a sru too
[13:47] <seb128> pitti, alright
[13:48]  * seb128 has done his job pre-rc now
[13:48]  * pitti ^5s seb128
[13:48] <seb128> starting rsync now to try current images
[13:48]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[13:49] <pitti> seb128: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus :)
[13:49] <pitti> seb128: we'll build current images in 80 mins, if xulrunner on amd64 finishes on time
[13:49] <seb128> yeah, I did read that, watching other channels ;-)
[13:50] <seb128> I guess now is a good time to catch up on emails and bugs triage
[13:50] <pitti> seb128: you don't happen to know what /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/bell_mode is all about exactly?
[13:51] <pitti> (in bug 77010; said to help on quite a few machines)
[14:09] <chrisccoulson> pitti - what did you want to know about /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/bell_mode ?
[14:09] <chrisccoulson> it's just one of the settings picked up by the g-s-d keyboard plugin
[14:09] <pitti> what it does exactly, and whether it'd make sense to disable it by default
[14:09] <chrisccoulson> i think it would make sense to disable it by default (if it's not already)
[14:10] <chrisccoulson> i already disabled it on my machine, and it used to be possible to do that from the old sound settings capplet
[14:11] <pitti> it's still in the UI, I think (but in keyboard)
[14:11] <pitti> sorry, not in keyboard
[14:12] <chrisccoulson> is it not in the gnome-terminal prefs?
[14:12] <pitti> right, there
[14:12] <chrisccoulson> (I cant check right now)
[14:12] <chrisccoulson> the schema is part of libgnome btw
[14:12] <chrisccoulson> the terminal bell is one of the most annoying things on the desktop ;)
[14:25] <rickspencer3> seb128, pitti, kenvandine, what's the word on the street?
[14:25] <pitti> hey rickspencer3
[14:25] <pitti> rickspencer3: building RC candidate images in an hour
[14:25] <pitti> looking quite good now
[14:25] <pitti> lots of uploads/RC bug fixing this morning still
[14:25] <kenvandine> wish i could say msn was better, i think we should apply that patch disabling AV in butterfly
[14:26] <kenvandine> pitti, see my comment on the butterfly bug?
[14:26] <pitti> rickspencer3: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus is up to date
[14:26] <pitti> kenvandine: just saw it, yes
[14:26] <kenvandine> i really think we should merge, getting the debug logs will be important for us
[14:26] <kenvandine> but the AV support is problematic
[14:26] <kenvandine> so disabling that is probably good for now
[14:26] <kenvandine> going to test that patch
[14:27] <pitti> merging to get the bug fixes with keeping video disabled sounds ok
[14:27] <istaz> kenvandine: I wish too
[14:27] <kenvandine> there are other bug fixes in that too... but the biggest win will be debug logs
[14:27] <istaz> kenvandine: well it's my fault for taking so long
[14:27] <kenvandine> istaz, yeah... i had a few successful calls :)
[14:27] <kenvandine> but it causes lots of butterfly crashes
[14:27]  * kenvandine is glad empathy survives those crashes now :)
[14:29] <istaz> kenvandine: another big win would be offline messaging so butterfly would stop losing  messages
[14:29] <kenvandine> istaz, does that work?
[14:29]  * kenvandine hasn't used msn before :)
[14:29] <istaz> kenvandine: it works with the 0.5.2 release I made two hours ago ;)
[14:29] <kenvandine> humm
[14:30] <kenvandine> what else is fixed in 0.5.2?
[14:30] <rickspencer3> pitti, release status looks really good!
[14:30] <kenvandine> and when will it be in debian?
[14:30] <pitti> rickspencer3: oh, forgot to send activity, will do that now
[14:30] <rickspencer3> pitti, shall we have a team meeting?
[14:30] <pitti> rickspencer3: quick one perhaps to check what we still need to do for final?
[14:31] <istaz> kenvandine: that + some AV improvement
[14:31] <pitti> rickspencer3: like discussing those telepathy updates
[14:31] <rickspencer3> k
[14:31] <rickspencer3> sounds good
[14:31] <rickspencer3> I'll get the wiki set up in a few minutes
[14:31] <kenvandine> pitti, i will have more info by then :)
[14:31]  * rickspencer3 sips coffee and surfs for karmic reviews (will only read good ones)
[14:31] <rickspencer3> :)
[14:31] <kenvandine> istaz, how much of an improvement? enough that we shouldn't patch it out :)
[14:31] <istaz> kenvandine: I could make you a patch for offline if you want to just backport that in the package
[14:32] <kenvandine> istaz, no... don't bother
[14:32] <kenvandine> more interested in stability for karmic
[14:32] <istaz> kenvandine: still far from having AV working flawlessly I'm afraid
[14:32] <kenvandine> so if 0.5.2 is more stable without patching out the AV stuff
[14:32] <kenvandine> istaz, ok
[14:32] <kenvandine> is there any other non-AV related fixes?
[14:33] <istaz> kenvandine: no
[14:34] <kenvandine> ok
[14:34] <kenvandine> thx
[14:35] <istaz> (well there is the Connect patch but it doesn't actually fix anything in empathy just with a test bot)
[14:42]  * asac created meeting wiki page
[14:42] <Ng> is usplash supposed to appear in karmic if things like fsck need to run?
[14:43] <Ng> I've seen a couple of laptops this morning which were just showing a text console saying the mount count was reached and a check was forced, but no progress was shown, and some light searching on launchpad isn't turning up an extant bug
[14:46] <Riddell> asac, awe: agateau needs testers for plasma-widget-networkmanagement with WEP ascii keys
[14:48] <kenvandine> istaz, why isn't that python syntax patch upstream yet?
[14:48]  * kenvandine wonders if it was never submitted
[14:48] <Ng> hmm, belay that, at least one of said users hasn't been prompted for updates in the last two weeks, so has very stale packages
[14:52] <istaz> kenvandine: which python syntax patch?
[14:52] <kenvandine> one sec
[14:53] <kenvandine> from bug 410376
[14:53] <awe> Riddell, ok.  i assume what needs to be tested was uploaded?
[14:53] <kenvandine> oh... there is an upstream bug report
[14:53] <kenvandine> oh... py2.4 only
[14:53] <Riddell> awe: no
[14:53] <awe> Riddell, PPA?
[14:53] <Riddell> awe: https://edge.launchpad.net/~agateau/+archive/ppa
[14:54] <awe> ok.  i need to re-install first... i'm on it.
[14:54] <istaz> kenvandine: this patch is only needed for python 2.4 compability and since papyon require python 2.5 anyway we decided to drop it
[14:54] <kenvandine> istaz, so that might only affect us
[14:54] <kenvandine> istaz, yeah... nm
[15:11] <seb128> rickspencer3, hey
[15:11] <rickspencer3> hiya seb128
[15:11] <seb128> rickspencer3, sorry I was out for an hour
[15:11] <seb128> rickspencer3, karmic target locked, updates done, compiz fixed
[15:12] <seb128> rickspencer3, summary from the day ;-)
[15:12] <rickspencer3> yeah, I was just talking to HR about how much you've been slacking :P
[15:12] <seb128> lol
[15:12] <rickspencer3> seb128, thanks, nice to see the compiz issue was actually fixed
[15:12] <seb128> I can expect my "you are fired" email any minute right?
[15:12] <rickspencer3> seb128, lol
[15:12] <rickspencer3> that would break my heart
[15:12]  * seb128 hugs rickspencer3
[15:13] <rickspencer3> :)
[15:13] <rickspencer3> <3
[15:13] <rickspencer3> seb128, looks like you facilitated getting gnome all nice and updated (my) last night
[15:13] <rickspencer3> that was very nice to see
[15:13] <rickspencer3> nice job on that
[15:14] <seb128> thanks
[15:14] <seb128> I'm quite happy about karmic, let's see what CD testing says next
[15:14] <seb128> doh, we are thursday, I forgot my activity report
[15:14] <pitti> new images are building now
[15:15]  * pitti in TB meeting, but will send activity report now (really)
[15:15] <seb128> or rather tuesday
[15:15] <seb128> still having to write it ;-)
[15:15] <rickspencer3> ok
[15:15] <rickspencer3> some kind person started the meeting wiki
[15:16] <rickspencer3> we should each put any post RC changes that we know about
[15:17] <seb128> tedg, hey
[15:17] <seb128> tedg, so it seems I was wrong with my reboot theory
[15:17] <seb128> tedg, but it seems the pidgin launcher get dropped when starting empathy after session start
[15:18] <tedg> seb128: Hmm, that's odd.
[15:18] <tedg> kenvandine: Empathy doesn't blacklist Pidgin does it?
[15:18] <kenvandine> blacklist?
[15:18] <tedg> (in the messaging menu)
[15:18] <kenvandine> no
[15:18] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, I added the turning off telepathy-butterfly a/v already
[15:19] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, to the notes?
[15:19] <rickspencer3> no, to the meeting agenda, sorry
[15:19] <tedg> seb128: Could Pidgin be starting and not showing?
[15:19] <seb128> I though we had 0.5.0 and only 0.5.1 had av?
[15:19] <seb128> tedg, no
[15:19] <kenvandine> ok
[15:20] <seb128> tedg, I don't start an im client with my session, I just picked empathy in the indicator applet
[15:20] <seb128> and pidgin got dropped from the list
[15:20] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i've noticed that the physical eject button often doesn't work on one of my CD drives (when it has a CD in it), and the CD is always constantly spinning, even if I'm not doing anything with it. have you noticed any such issues?
[15:20] <kenvandine> seb128, yeah but we are talking about merging in 0.5.1 and patching out AV
[15:20] <seb128> and the file timestamp was roughly the empathy start one
[15:20] <tedg> seb128: But with session management, if you shutdown with Pidgin running, it'll start by itself.
[15:20] <seb128> kenvandine, you can as well take 0.5.2 and use the upstream option for that?
[15:21] <seb128> kenvandine, but any reason why we want to update?
[15:21] <kenvandine> we could, but there is no particular reason
[15:21] <kenvandine> it fixes some AV issues
[15:21] <pitti> rickspencer3: you have my report now
[15:21] <kenvandine> but not enough to enable it
[15:21] <seb128> kenvandine, it fixes av issues but we don't have av...?
[15:21] <kenvandine> right
[15:21] <kenvandine> 0.5.1 enables the debugging hooks though
[15:21] <seb128> oh right
[15:21] <kenvandine> so we can actually get logs from users, etc
[15:21] <rickspencer3> aarg, what happened to shift-alt-tab in compiz :/
[15:21] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I didn't; sounds like a bug in the CD polling process of dk-disks; mind doing "ubuntu-bug devicekit-disks"?
[15:21] <kenvandine> seb128, so very worth the update
[15:22] <Laney> 10
[15:22] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, i'll do that when i get home
[15:22] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[15:33] <seb128> pitti, is there a command line equivalent to eject by pressing button?
[15:33] <seb128> pitti, I often get the cd drive button on my laptop doing nothing too there
[15:34] <pitti> seb128: how do you mean? /usr/bin/eject ?
[15:34] <seb128> pitti, eject does eject my cd
[15:34] <seb128> pitti, the button does nothing
[15:35] <seb128> I was trying to figure if there in a equivalent to gnome-eject
[15:35] <seb128> or gnome-mount -e
[15:35] <pitti> that is eject
[15:35] <pitti> the CD-ROM button is physically wired
[15:35] <seb128> pitti, ok, what info would be useful for a bug about that then?
[15:35] <pitti> you can just tell it to be inhibited (the kernel does that)
[15:35] <pitti> seb128: does that happen with all media? dk-disks now tells the kernel to not lock (for about two weeks)
[15:36] <seb128> pitti, no, but seems to happen on dvd after using totem there
[15:37] <pitti> hm, it seems that ioctl doesn't work for DVDs then?
[15:37]  * pitti tries here
[15:37] <seb128> pitti, it works before starting totem
[15:37] <seb128> ie if I put the dvd in the drive and press eject it's eject
[15:37] <seb128> if I read it using gst-launch it can still be ejected
[15:37] <seb128> if I use totem the button stops working
[15:39] <pitti> seb128: confirmed here (although totem just hung on reading the DVD, hmm)
[15:39] <seb128> dvd played seems busted there
[15:40] <seb128> at least it doesn't work with playbin2 but it works with playbin I need slomo
[15:40] <seb128> using playbin2 the image is lagging
[15:40] <pitti> hm, so it seems that something calls mount on the CD-ROM again? or locks it
[15:40] <seb128> I don't know, I've no clue how to debug those
[15:40] <seb128> that's why I was asking if you have an hits
[15:40] <seb128> using eject in nautilus works fine
[15:40] <seb128> so the dvd is not really busy
[15:41] <seb128> ie there is nothing preventing eject
[15:42] <pitti> if you press the button, it doesn't go through the stack again
[15:42] <pitti> it just physically ejects, and kernel/userspace tidy up afterwards, much like you yank out an USB stick
[15:42] <pitti> but that only works when you do an unlock ioctl after mounting
[15:42] <pitti> so if totem mounts the DVD again, we lose
[15:43] <seb128> hum ok
[15:43] <pitti> seb128: but I'm pretty sure that there's a bug for it already, at least I saw it in a bug mail
[15:43] <pitti> (also for the DVD case)
[15:43] <seb128> pitti, ok, will look in launchpad now
[15:43] <pitti> bug 397734 was the original one
[15:43] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i wonder if rhythmbox does something equally silly. i always see this issue with audio CD's after having rhythmbox open
[15:43] <chrisccoulson> (although that might be a coincidence in my case)
[15:44] <seb128> pitti, bug #448921 then
[15:45] <pitti> seb128: right
[15:45] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[16:02] <mvo> seb128: urgh, do you have a idea about bug #455559 - looks like its crashing deep inside gtk+
[16:03] <seb128> mvo, no, one of those stacktrace in gtk which I don't know how to read
[16:03] <seb128> mvo, valgrind log might be useful
[16:04] <seb128> could be a gtk bug or a corruption or a bug I don't know how to read
[16:19] <and471> mvo: thanks for the merge, I realise now I forgot about webkit's behaviour with links :-)
[16:23] <mvo> and471: thanks for the fixes, there is also a small typo in "set_model" -> "set_modal" (fixed in the merge)
[16:23] <mvo> and471: you probably want to re-merge from trunk
[16:23] <and471> mvo: ah yes :-)
[16:23] <and471> and471: will do when I next have some fixes
[16:23] <and471> ^ sorry mvo:
[16:23] <mvo> and471: quick question, do you know what is needed for the translatior credits?
[16:24] <and471> mvo: no clue
[16:24] <mvo> ok :)
[16:24] <Ng> did notifications just intentionally change to a tiny font?
[16:24] <mvo> you assigned it to yourself so I hoped you had a idea
[16:24] <Ng> also I think the compiz update this afternoon has done something super strange to terminals
[16:24] <and471> mvo: oh that was the bug, that was an accident, launchpad wouldn't assign me, and I accidentally clicked the wrong thing
[16:25] <and471> mvo: could you unassign me?
[16:25] <Riddell> awe: how's the re-install?
[16:26] <awe> Riddell: updating now...
[16:27]  * Ng tempted to blame mvo and Amaranth 
[16:27] <asac> what was the env to force ubuntu-bug
[16:27] <Amaranth> Ng: what is happening to terminals?
[16:27] <asac> even though package is not right version in archive?
[16:28] <Ng> Amaranth: if I have a terminal open I can pretty much not give focus to anything else. close the terminal and it's all good
[16:28] <Amaranth> Ng: is this ubuntu1 or ubuntu2?
[16:28] <Ng> ubuntu2
[16:29] <Amaranth> well crap
[16:29] <Ng> I'm prepared to nuke my settings if it's not obviously reproducible
[16:34] <asac> Ng: did you export your settings at least?
[16:35] <Ng> asac: I could do, I haven't touched them yet
[16:37] <slomo> mvo: i've merged your changes now, only remaining change is that warning
[16:37] <asac> Ng: i dont know what this all is about ... just read that you wanted to wipe your settings if not reproducible
[16:37] <asac> felt like you should at least back them up .. just in case
[16:38] <slomo> mvo: wouldn't it be better to have a whitelist instead? third party repositories could contain dubious packages that you don't have in your blacklist ;)
[16:38] <Ng> asac: ah right :)
[16:40]  * asac checks builders ... good sign that there is nothing building i guess
[16:42] <Ng> damn that's just annoying and weird, after rebooting again things seem normal
[16:42] <asac> Ng: can you _check_ your modem stuff please
[16:42] <asac> Ng: your feedback this cycle felt like everything is perfect or you were quiet busy ;)
[16:43] <asac> j.k.
[16:43] <Ng> asac: about a month ago I moved house and in the couple of weeks it took BT to get me ADSL I was using both the internal 3g modem and my iphone via PAN and both worked fine :)
[16:43] <asac> its too late for most fixed before release anyway. but for the final 0.8 SRU we are planning i still want to get everything fixed
[16:44] <asac> Ng: cool. what phone do you have with PAN?
[16:44] <Ng> asac: iphone
[16:44] <asac> oh cool.
[16:44] <asac> Ng: internal is f3507g?
[16:44] <Ng> the iphone gets confused as hell if I suspend my laptop without explicitly disconnecting, but that has to be a bug in the phone
[16:44] <Ng> asac: yep
[16:45]  * Ng tests that again
[16:45] <asac> mbm/f3507g is probably safe to say that its in best shape ever
[16:45] <Ng> bah, it did the thing where it fails the first time
[16:45] <asac> Ng: ENAP?
[16:46] <asac> Ng: thats the only real bug we still have and even ericsson isnt sure why that happens :)
[16:46]  * asac shouldnt have asked for more testing
[16:46] <Ng> asac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/297605/ nothing wildly obvious. The first time this was happening it was at least producing some kind of error ;)
[16:46] <Ng> haha
[16:46] <asac> ok modemmanager has no debug
[16:47] <asac> so that isnt that informative
[16:47] <asac> but if it connects again it shouldn work
[16:47] <asac> and then its probably the ENAP=1 failing bug
[16:47] <mvo> slomo: makes sense, I was told to add the warning as a precaution. I have no legal experience in this
[16:47] <asac> but most issues on first connect should be fixed
[16:47] <Ng> PAN still works perfectly first time :)
[16:47] <asac> a few days ago i had a real time to get stuff breaking
[16:47] <seb128> slomo, hey again
[16:48] <seb128> slomo, so playbin2 plays dvds in a very laggy way there
[16:48] <seb128> slomo, ie one image every 3 seconds
[16:48] <seb128> where playbin plays the same dvd smoothly
[16:48] <seb128> known issue?
[16:48] <asac> Ng: thx. we might flash out the first connect thing (which should happen rarely after cold boot at leats)
[16:48] <asac> for the SRU
[16:49] <Ng> asac: could it just be something like the card hasn't actually finished registering in time?
[16:49] <asac> Ng: no. that issues should be fixed. you could stop nm+kill mm and send a at*e2reset to the tty
[16:50] <asac> that will reset the modem like in codl boot
[16:50] <Ng> weird
[16:50] <asac> Ng: registration is fine. what doesnt work is ENAP
[16:50] <Ng> Amaranth: I retract my whining, after a reboot all seems well :$
[16:50] <asac> Ng: sometimes ... apparently depending on modem mood and provider state ... it takes up to 20 seconds to process the ENAP=1 or ENAP=0
[16:51] <Ng> hah
[16:51] <asac> according to mbm folks
[16:51] <asac> and we dont wait that long. so basically we would have to poll for ENAP=0 before starting everything
[16:51] <asac> anything
[16:51] <slomo> mvo: me neither, but having a whitelist made more sense to me :)
[16:52] <slomo> seb128: for all dvds?
[16:52] <seb128> slomo, dunno, all my friends one at least
[16:52] <seb128> slomo, gst-launch playbin -> works fine
[16:52] <seb128> slomo, gst-launch playbin2 -> lagggggg
[16:53]  * seb128 wonders if totem will be able to play dvd correctly one cycle
[16:55] <mvo> slomo: it does indeed
[16:55] <asac> isnt mpeg still in -bad?
[16:55] <slomo> seb128: is this a new bug (last 1-2 weeks) or older? if it's older i never had this, otherwise i have to search a dvd and try :)
[16:55] <slomo> asac: ugly and ffmpeg
[16:55] <asac> even ugly ;)
[16:55] <seb128> slomo, same issues on my fifth element dvd
[16:56] <slomo> seb128: ok, i'll test it later
[16:56] <slomo> bbl
[16:56] <seb128> slomo, I don't play dvds often but it was not there mid-cycle
[16:56] <seb128> does dvd playing works correctly in totem for anybody?
[16:57]  * kenvandine tests
[16:59]  * awe tests
[16:59] <kenvandine> totem hangs
[16:59]  * asac does not even have a dvd :/
[17:00] <awe> +1
[17:00] <awe> empty top-level totem window displayed...
[17:01] <pedro_> oh mine just crashed
[17:01] <seb128> great...
[17:02] <seb128> dvd playback seems busted for everybody
[17:02] <seb128> in different way
[17:02] <pedro_> i tested with  a batman dvd, maybe he killed it
[17:02] <asac> .... so what is that "disable-genuine-complain" hack for ubuntu-bug again?
[17:03] <awe> ok, mine just finally rendered the UI and displayed a popup -> an error occured - could not open location; you may not have permission to open the file
[17:03] <seb128> asac, grep for THIRD in the apport source
[17:03] <asac> ah
[17:03] <asac> man i grepped for lots of stuff already ;)
[17:04] <asac> new try
[17:04] <seb128> that should be int he manpage
[17:04] <asac> ACK
[17:05] <asac> 1.9.3 (2009-10-14)
[17:05] <asac> ------------------
[17:05] <asac> Changes:
[17:05] <asac>  - Drop handling of the APPORT_REPORT_THIRDPARTY environment variable and
[17:05] <asac>    "thirdparty" configuration file option. This has never been documented, and
[17:05] <asac>    conceptually does not work. There is a proper mechanism for this in place
[17:05] <asac>    now, e. g. launchpad.py's "project" option.
[17:05] <asac> sigh
[17:05] <asac> pitti: what can i put on the NM wiki page now so daily users can still report bugs?
[17:06] <pitti> asac: how do you mean?
[17:06] <pitti> why shouldn't they be able to?
[17:06] <asac> pitti: ubuntu-bug network-manager complains that its not a genuine package
[17:06] <pitti> ah, that's from a PPA?
[17:06] <asac> yes
[17:07] <asac> but i explicitly want bugs from there to be filed
[17:07] <pitti> asac: do you want bug reports to the upstream project for that, or against Ubuntu?
[17:07] <asac> an env or so i can put on wiki page would be good enough
[17:07] <asac> pitti: ubuntu
[17:07] <asac> upstream uses bugzilla, but in the end we use ubuntus bugs mostly upstream directly :)
[17:08] <pitti> asac: can you add a small package hook to the PPA which sets
[17:08] <pitti> report['CrashDB'] = 'ubuntu'
[17:08] <pitti> ?
[17:08] <pitti> this will override the "genuine package" check
[17:08] <asac> pitti: sure. i assume its ok if i put it also in the ubuntu package?
[17:08] <pitti> (you can also set it to a custom one to report bugs against the upstream project)
[17:08] <asac> stupid question i guess
[17:08] <pitti> asac: yes, it is okay
[17:08] <asac> ok ... /me adds that to branch
[17:09] <pitti> (not a stupid question; it's not at all obvious)
[17:10] <asac> pitti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/297618/ that looks good?
[17:10] <asac> (ignore first hunk)
[17:11] <awe> asac, pitti: not sure how to respond to this comment re: apport & passwords:
[17:11] <awe> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/452085/comments/8
[17:11] <pitti> asac: yes, that, or add it in the report = {} line
[17:12] <asac> kk
[17:12] <asac> awe: let me check
[17:13] <asac> awe: well. tell him that passwords in there are the rare-exception, but we are happy to improve the hook to remove those
[17:14] <asac> if he files a bug
[17:14] <awe> ok
[17:15] <asac> awe: in general users get a chance to review what they upload before they upload it
[17:15] <pitti> awe: replied in the bug
[17:15] <asac> awe: and the interfaces file is usually pretty short.
[17:16] <pitti> I basically said the same as asac
[17:16] <asac> ok thx
[17:16] <awe> thanks guys!
[17:16] <asac> its basically that you can put wpa-psk wpa-keyid etc in there
[17:16] <asac> so we should identify the keys that are needed and XXXX them
[17:16] <awe> ...and pray that it works.  ;)
[17:17] <asac> but then ... interfaces is more like a generic script, so the user might even write his own stuff in there ... which we cannot identify
[17:17] <asac> but we can probably work on improving that ;) ... when time permits
[17:18] <awe> asac: maybe we could warn the user which files we're going to grab... and give 'em a chance to either opt out for individual files, or let them edit and then re-run apport-*
[17:19] <asac> awe: we already do that
[17:19] <awe> opt-out?
[17:19] <asac> awe: have you used ubuntu-bug? it shows you exactly what you will attach and you can review it
[17:19] <pedro_> ok tested with another dvd, it plays it but i don't get any sound
[17:19] <asac> i think you can even disable individual parts of the report before uploading
[17:19] <asac> pitti: is that correct?
[17:19] <awe> yea i've used it...
[17:19] <awe> i just don't recall being able to do that
[17:20] <pitti> asac: no, that's not implemented yet; there's a wishlist bug aboutit
[17:20] <asac> ah
[17:20] <asac> then those bugs i get with only half of the attachments are usually bugs ... hmm
[17:20] <asac> will look more closely next time
[17:20] <asac> always thought users did uncheck them somewhat
[17:21] <awe> asac: i think sometimes apport fails to grab all the files for NM.
[17:22] <asac> hmm. which ones would potentially not exist?
[17:22] <asac> apport is running as root to collect stuff? or is a root-only-readable file going to be a problem?
[17:23] <awe> not sure, but like you, i've seen bugs with only a partial set of files
[17:23] <awe> guess i should look closer next time to see what's missing
[17:23]  * asac nods
[17:23] <asac> same here
[17:29] <pitti> asac: for ubuntu-bug generally it runs as the user
[17:29] <rickspencer3> hmmm
[17:29] <pitti> asac: for a system daemon crash like NM it runs as root
[17:29] <rickspencer3> seems to be about meeting time
[17:30] <asac> ok. good to know
[17:30]  * asac is standing in line for meeting
[17:31]  * seb128 there 
[17:31] <tgpraveen> asac: do you know if that huwai modem support in kernel was released?
[17:31] <pitti> o/
[17:31]  * ArneGoetje waves
[17:31] <rickspencer3> bonjour ArneGoetje asac awe bryce__ ccheney kenvandine Riddell seb128
[17:32] <rickspencer3> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2009-10-20
[17:32] <asac> tgpraveen: afaik it was released. at least i saw a fix released on some bug
[17:32] <Riddell> hello
[17:32] <seb128> bonsoir rickspencer3
[17:32]  * awe waves
[17:32]  * kenvandine jumps :)
[17:32] <asac> (hopefully i didnt mismatch Committed/Released)
[17:32] <rickspencer3> please note that I have not yet had a chance to put activity reports on the wiki, will do so later
[17:32] <rickspencer3> so ...
[17:33] <rickspencer3> The only agenda items it to discuss known post-RC changes
[17:33] <rickspencer3> but before that ...
[17:33] <rickspencer3> CONGRATS!
[17:33] <rickspencer3> you guys really rocked this release
[17:33] <rickspencer3> the karmic desktop is currently the best desktop I have used on any platform
[17:33] <rickspencer3> thoughts?
[17:33]  * kenvandine is very pleased
[17:34] <seb128> I find karmic great
[17:34] <asac> i am happy ;)
[17:34] <pitti> I was surprised to see how much of the new crack actually landed without breaking the thing entirely
[17:34] <asac> gwibber could be better though :/
[17:34] <kenvandine> pitti, hehe
[17:34] <awe> It's the best release of Ubuntu so far!
[17:34] <kenvandine> asac, yeah... but gives us stuff to work on for lucid :)
[17:34] <pitti> lots of warts and bugs still, but much better than I anticipated
[17:35] <rickspencer3> pitti, right
[17:35] <pitti> new isos up for testing, FYI
[17:35] <rickspencer3> I think we are aware of bugs that wouldn't have even been on our radar in previous releases
[17:35] <kenvandine> woot
[17:35] <seb128> asac, gwibber is not in the standard install though
[17:35] <rickspencer3> ok, let's move along so folks can start testing :)
[17:35] <asac> maybe we should have also a "prominent warts" section somewhere on wiki page so we all know what is not so great for others?
[17:36] <rickspencer3> asac, isn't that "release notes"?
[17:36] <asac> seb128: its an kind important part of my desktop experience though
[17:36]  * rickspencer3 asigns gwibber bugs to asac
[17:36] <asac> rickspencer3: where is the current list?
[17:36] <rickspencer3> control-A assign asac
[17:36] <asac> hehe
[17:36] <seb128> asac, well lot of people use random universe softwares, we can't wait to have all universe perfect to declare karmic good ;-)
[17:36] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, asac did have a great patch for the facebook module :)
[17:36] <jcastro> don't look at gwibber bugs, there's like 700+ last I looked. :p
[17:37] <rickspencer3> yup
[17:37] <pedro_> 700? wow
[17:37] <seb128> waouh
[17:37] <pedro_> that's a lot for a new application
[17:37] <rickspencer3> ok, so gwibber went through some changes this cycle, and is clearly very popular
[17:37] <seb128> I'm happy it's not in the desktop set or that I don't have to look at it
[17:37] <kenvandine> lots of old bugs
[17:37] <kenvandine> jcastro, someone needs to clean that up :)
[17:37] <rickspencer3> I think the 700 # is a sign of it's popularity as much as quality
[17:37] <seb128> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwibber/+bugs -> 126
[17:37] <pedro_> seb128, i'm so with you on that :-)
[17:38] <asac> seb128: i did not complain. i am partly to blame in fact that gwibber isnt perfect ... i am upstream commiter somewhat ;)
[17:38] <jcastro> oh sorry, 400
[17:38] <rickspencer3> so, we know gwibber is important to users, and we'll really do great in Lucid and bring it into main in a high quality way
[17:38] <jcastro> off by 300, whoops
[17:38] <asac> yep
[17:38] <jcastro> Ryan is coming to UDS so that will be our chance
[17:38] <rickspencer3> man, hard to keep this positive :)
[17:38] <rickspencer3> speaking of which, let's do the agenda item
[17:39] <rickspencer3> known changes post-RC
[17:39] <rickspencer3> so far there are two on the list:
[17:39] <rickspencer3> # Turn off A/V for telepathy-butterfly users
[17:39] <rickspencer3> # couchdb and desktopcouch patches needed to fix syncing with u1
[17:39] <rickspencer3>     *
[17:39] <rickspencer3>       456234 442120 451333
[17:39] <rickspencer3> bug #456234
[17:39] <rickspencer3> bug #442120
[17:39] <Riddell> we have a change in openoffice that ccheney is onto
[17:39] <seb128> rickspencer3, the first point is rather "upgrade to a version which does av and turn it off too"?
[17:39] <rickspencer3> bug #451333
[17:40] <Riddell> we may also drop a patch which is probably causing bug 453874
[17:40] <rickspencer3> ok, first seb128's question, then Riddel
[17:40] <kenvandine> butterfly is worth updating so users can get debug logs
[17:40] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, comment on seb's question
[17:40] <rickspencer3> hmm
[17:40] <kenvandine> but the AV support is pretty bad so far
[17:40] <kenvandine> so we disable it with a patch
[17:40] <kenvandine> seb128, yes
[17:40] <seb128> can't we just backport debug log to what we have?
[17:40] <rickspencer3> I'd rather turn on butterfly AV support in an SRU then ship the way it is
[17:41] <pitti> no, that's not SRUable
[17:41] <rickspencer3> boom
[17:41] <seb128> well I didn't think we would consider adding a feature now
[17:41] <kenvandine> seb128, perhaps.. but i suspect it is a huge patch
[17:41] <pitti> we should keep it disabled like it is now and just collect the bug fixes
[17:41] <rickspencer3> ok, so all that is on the table is a patch to disable A/V
[17:41] <pitti> karmic is a warty release, after all
[17:41] <kenvandine> adding logger lines all over the place
[17:41] <rickspencer3> pitti, ^?
[17:41] <rickspencer3> i.e. no update for log files
[17:41] <rickspencer3> just the patch
[17:41] <seb128> ok, seems not really a meeting discussion
[17:41] <seb128> but that replies to mu question
[17:41] <seb128> thanks
[17:41] <pitti> rickspencer3: yes, update to 0.5.2 and disable AV
[17:41] <seb128> my
[17:42] <seb128> what pitti said
[17:42] <rickspencer3> ok
[17:42] <kenvandine> pitti, ok, that is prepared an din the bug
[17:42] <rickspencer3> so Riddell
[17:42] <rickspencer3> go ahead
[17:42] <Riddell> I've said my bits :)
[17:42] <kenvandine> the couch stuff is pretty important and just came up
[17:42] <Riddell> openoffice and the bug 453874 crasher
[17:42] <pitti> ah, fixing the open dialogs harder?
[17:42] <awe> Riddell, ASCII keys work
[17:42] <Riddell> awe: oh aye
[17:43] <kenvandine> the fixes client side can't be tested until they deploy the fixes on the u1 servers
[17:43] <kenvandine> so that is still pending
[17:43] <Riddell> awe is going to test agateau adding ASCII keys to knetworkmanager
[17:43] <kenvandine> but as it stands now, syncing with u1 is pretty busted
[17:43] <Riddell> upgrade from hardy is said to be fixed so that needs plenty of testing
[17:43] <seb128> kenvandine, any syncing? like files, etc, too?
[17:44] <kenvandine> seb128, couch syncing
[17:44] <rickspencer3> Riddell, ccheney is there a bug # for the OOo change?
[17:44] <kenvandine> u1 file sync is fine
[17:44] <Riddell> scottk tracked down "Missing applications on netbook launcher" so we're in good shape
[17:44] <seb128> ok
[17:44] <Riddell> rickspencer3: bug 452518
[17:44] <asac> nice
[17:44]  * asac notes that scottk is not on this channel
[17:44] <hyperair> when will network-manager learn to stop bugging me for a new password when association fails?
[17:44]  * hyperair grumbles
[17:44] <rickspencer3> huh
[17:45] <rickspencer3> ok
[17:45] <kenvandine> seb128, most noticable with evolution contact sync
[17:45] <rickspencer3> is this the list of known changes?
[17:45] <hyperair> i mean can't it say "connection failed. do you want to retry using the existing password, or change?"
[17:45] <hyperair> thunderbird is so awesome with that
[17:45]  * rickspencer3 wants people to get to testing, bug fixing
[17:45] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, all i know of
[17:45] <seb128> rickspencer3, I think we might need to fix dvd playing too
[17:45] <seb128> it seems busted for everybody who tried there
[17:45] <rickspencer3> hyperair, we're having our team meeting atm
[17:45] <hyperair> oh whoop de doo
[17:45]  * hyperair shuts up
[17:45] <rickspencer3> seb128, right, that's the totem locks the DVD drive thingy
[17:46] <seb128> no
[17:46] <seb128> the drive lock is just not being able to eject from the button right?
[17:46] <kenvandine> no... it hangs
[17:46] <rickspencer3> yeah
[17:46] <seb128> the issue there is that it plays one frame every 3 seconds
[17:46] <pitti> it's the playback itself which doesn't work at all
[17:46] <seb128> where using playbin1 works fine
[17:46] <rickspencer3> eeeew
[17:46] <kenvandine> for me it is a hang
[17:46] <seb128> and it hangs for pitti, kenvandine, etc
[17:46] <rickspencer3> what the bug #?
[17:46] <awe> +1
[17:46] <pedro_> for me a crash and no sound
[17:46]  * rickspencer3 uses mplayer so haven't seen this myself
[17:46] <kenvandine> *** libdvdread: CHECK_VALUE failed in ifo_read.c:1704 ***
[17:46] <kenvandine> *** for info_length % sizeof(uint32_t) == 0 ***
[17:46] <kenvandine> is my error
[17:47] <seb128> rickspencer3, not sure if there is a bug yet, I will open one, I just found that while testing the lock issue
[17:47] <rickspencer3> aah
[17:47] <seb128> slomo who is upstream and debian packager will try later too
[17:47] <rickspencer3> ok, so it seems like these "changes" are all bug fixes aside from the butterfly change
[17:47] <seb128> I expect it could be due to his changes to fix easy codec installation
[17:47] <seb128> right
[17:47] <rickspencer3> mm
[17:48] <pitti> I also have one; seems that disabling the gnome-terminal keyboard bell will fix half of bug 77010
[17:48] <rickspencer3> pitti, shall I assume that we can get a list of targeted bugs and know what bugs should be fixed?
[17:48] <kenvandine> also the butterfly update to 0.5.2 stopped the butterfly crashes everytime a contact signed off :)
[17:48] <pitti> the other half might have gotten fixed more or less by accident already ("beep" mixer control; I asked mat_t to confirm)
[17:48] <rickspencer3> k
[17:48] <pitti> rickspencer3: yes, I'll modify 77010 accordingly
[17:49] <pitti> seb128: can you please make sure we'll have an RC bug for totem DVD?
[17:49] <seb128> kenvandine, is it crashing or is it just apport triggering on catched exceptions
[17:49] <pitti> kenvandine: likewise for the u1 issues?
[17:49] <seb128> pitti, will do
[17:49] <rickspencer3> ok
[17:49] <kenvandine> seb128, crashing... or it was
[17:49] <mat_t> pitti: still waiting for battery to discharge :)
[17:49] <pitti> heh
[17:49] <rickspencer3> I only see 5 bugs targeted, though my query is an hour or so out of date
[17:49] <kenvandine> seb128, but seems fine now
[17:50] <kenvandine> pitti, what do i tag the RC bugs with?
[17:50] <pitti> kenvandine: karmic/milestone for ubuntu 9.10
[17:50] <kenvandine> ok
[17:51] <rickspencer3> so target to the release, and milestone any bugs you plan to fix
[17:51] <rickspencer3> any other business?
[17:51] <rickspencer3> everyone have their travel set for UDS?
[17:51] <seb128> quick question there
[17:51] <pitti> *nod*
[17:51] <rickspencer3> seb128, go ahead
[17:51] <seb128> so I did read jono's blog about u1 being great
[17:51] <ArneGoetje> yep
[17:51] <seb128> but I still have no clue how to enable tomboy note syncing or contacts
[17:52] <asac> were there any themes updated today?
[17:52] <seb128> and some for users by reading blog comments
[17:52] <rickspencer3> kenvandine ?
[17:52] <awe> me neither...
[17:52] <seb128> do we have that documented somewhere?
[17:52] <seb128> because it doesn't exist for an user perspective otherwise
[17:52] <kenvandine> in the preferences
[17:52] <seb128> if you can't find it or figure how to get it working...
[17:52] <kenvandine> there is a Sync tab
[17:52] <kenvandine> and chose web
[17:53] <kenvandine> that is working very well for me
[17:53] <seb128> kenvandine, that has "local folder, tomboy web, webdav"
[17:53] <awe> kenvandine, the u1 applet prefs?
[17:53] <kenvandine> tomboy web
[17:53] <seb128> oh, web is u1?
[17:53] <rickspencer3> in the tomboy prefs
[17:53] <kenvandine> tomboy prefs
[17:53] <kenvandine> yes
[17:53] <kenvandine> if you click it, you will see it says u1
[17:53] <awe> kenvandine, and what about FF, did that ever land?
[17:53] <kenvandine> bindwood?
[17:53] <kenvandine> that is in universe
[17:53] <seb128> kenvandine, ok, and evo contacts?
[17:53] <kenvandine> yes
[17:53] <kenvandine> working
[17:54]  * rickspencer3 does now
[17:54] <kenvandine> in evo, create an address book
[17:54] <kenvandine> of type CouchDB
[17:54] <kenvandine> and drop contacts there
[17:54] <seb128> ok thanks
[17:54] <kenvandine> they will sync to your u1 account
[17:54] <seb128> could we advertise that somewhere
[17:54] <kenvandine> but that is busted atm :/
[17:54] <seb128> in karmic notes or something
[17:54] <kenvandine> i am sure that is planned
[17:54] <kenvandine> but will make sure
[17:54] <seb128> all good then,t hanks
[17:54] <seb128> thanks
[17:54]  * rickspencer3 was supposed to document this and hasn't gotten to it yet :(
[17:55] <rickspencer3> pitti, what should people do if they want to add release notes now?
[17:55]  * kenvandine was about to ask that :)
[17:56]  * rickspencer3 asked for kenvandine
[17:56] <pitti> for known issues: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoard
[17:56] <pitti> oops, sorry
[17:56] <rickspencer3> techincalboard?
[17:56] <rickspencer3> hehe
[17:56] <pitti> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/TechnicalOverview
[17:56] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, that will get massaged and cleaned up as we reach release next Thursday
[17:56] <rickspencer3> any other business?
[17:57] <kenvandine> pitti, ok, so i can add a note there about butterfly and AV?
[17:57] <kenvandine> under known issues
[17:57] <pitti> kenvandine: go ahead
[17:57] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, nope
[17:57] <rickspencer3> alright ... let's get some good iso testing today, and then on to final release!!
[17:57] <rickspencer3> thanks all
[17:58] <seb128> thanks
[17:58] <ArneGoetje> thanks
[17:58] <pedro_> thank you
[17:58] <awe> see ya
[17:58] <pitti> thanks all
[17:59] <awe> pitti: quick question...  how can I check whether a particular package will end up on the CD?
[18:00] <awe> it's a restricted dkms package for the broadcom wi-fi driver that i'm wondering about...
[18:00] <pitti> awe: for desktop, you should check http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/karmic-desktop-i386.manifest
[18:01] <pitti> awe: ^ which is the live fs contents
[18:01] <pitti> awe: and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/karmic-desktop-i386.list
[18:01] <awe> cool, that's what i was looking for.
[18:01] <pitti> which is the additional packages shipped on the CD archive pool
[18:01] <pitti> awe: likewise for dvd/daily, etc.
[18:01] <awe> cool.  thanks!
[18:11] <pitti> seb128: I updated bug 77010 for the keyboard bell; do you have any objection/doubts about disabling that by default?
[18:11] <asac> hmm. so the test ubuntu-bug process i ran is still not closed and i cannot do anything with ctrl+c
[18:11] <asac> ubuntu-bug network-manager
[18:11] <asac> ^C
[18:11] <asac> ^C^C^C^[^^C^C
[18:11] <seb128> pitti, no but I didn't get that issue until recently in karmic
[18:11] <seb128> ie it started beeping a week ago
[18:11] <pitti> seb128: oh, you get it, too?
[18:12] <pitti> seb128: do you have a "beep" mixer setting in alsamixer?
[18:12] <seb128> in a guest session yes
[18:12] <seb128> let me try
[18:14] <seb128> pitti, I've a "pc beeper" set to 0
[18:15] <seb128> pitti, I'm not sure why the bell_mode is used by default maybe check with TheMuso if that's an accessibility thing
[18:15] <pitti> seb128: he is subscribed to that bug now (I added a task for that "bell" mixer thing)
[18:15] <pitti> TheMuso: reply to the bug appreciated ^
[18:18] <seb128> pitti, do we have an idea why it started again some days ago?
[18:18] <seb128> it was fine for week or month in karmic there
[18:18] <pitti> no, it never has happened for me
[18:18] <seb128> and now it beeps again on reboot, guest session, etc
[18:19] <seb128> it started again a week ago or so
[18:19] <pitti> weird
[18:19] <pitti> no pcspkr, no snd_pcsp, I wonder how it is actually beeping..
[18:19] <seb128> see comments on the bug too
[18:25] <czajkowski> adlo
[18:45] <asac> ArneGoetje: the patch for openoffice dictionaries doesnt apply here ... hmm
[18:46] <asac> hmm. odd your patch is against 3.1 ... i get 3.0 from apt-get source
[18:46]  * asac checks for manual download
[18:47] <slomo> seb128: could you file a bug for the dvd slowness?
[18:48] <asac> cant find 3.1
[18:48] <asac> maybe its in the manual queu?
[18:53] <awe> bryce__, have there been any changes punched in recently that would effect mouse/touchpad interaction?
[19:01] <dobey> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[19:01] <dobey> my firefox-3.0 is gone :'(
[19:01] <asac> thx
[19:01] <asac> for confirming
[19:02] <asac> :-P
[19:02] <dobey> i really don't like 3.5 :(
[19:02] <asac> dobey: i know what you mean. i liked 1.0 ;)
[19:03] <kenvandine> mosaic ftw!
[19:03] <asac> dobey: what in particular is your problem?
[19:03] <asac> i mean. what things regressed for you
[19:03] <dobey> well, no. 3.5 doesn't renders stuff completely differently from 3.0. identi.ca looks messed up in it. and for some reason it doesn't seem to want to draw fonts correctly on my desktop machine
[19:03] <dobey> though 3.5 draws the fonts ok on my older laptop
[19:04] <asac> "renders stuff completely different" -> thats obviously a wrong generalization
[19:04] <asac> dobey: your problem is fonts?
[19:04] <dobey> fonts are part of my problem
[19:04] <dobey> the most annoying
[19:04] <asac> what else?
[19:04] <dobey> it renders several pages i use often, quite differently from 3.0
[19:05] <dobey> identi.ca for example, the tabs and thumbnails for peoples' avatars all look horrible in 3.5
[19:05] <dobey> much nicer in 3.0 they were
[19:11] <paoloz> hi to all
[19:12] <paoloz> anyone can tell me the name of a program wich i can create a film from photo
[19:12] <paoloz> ?
[19:12] <dobey> hmm, and i seem to have to move the mouse around rapidly to be able to load pages at a reasonable speed
[19:13] <dobey> but i think that's a separate issue from firefox-3.0 being gone
[19:13] <dobey> paoloz: i think #ubuntu is for general help like that
[19:26] <Strogg_> Hello
[19:27] <Strogg_> is grsync working today ?
[19:27] <Strogg_> wrong window, sry
[19:38] <pitti> kenvandine: t-butterfly update is awfully big :-/ ; did you have a chance to test this yourself?
[19:38] <kenvandine> yes
[19:38] <kenvandine> it is less crashy
[19:38] <kenvandine> and does indeed disable AV
[19:46] <jcastro> kenvandine: where are you guys keeping your pages for UDS?
[19:46] <kenvandine> pages?
[19:46] <jcastro> do you guys have like a UDS page for your team?
[19:46] <kenvandine> don't think so
[19:46] <jcastro> goals, things to discuss, etc.
[19:46] <kenvandine> just blueprints i think
[19:46] <kenvandine> that's all i recall from karmic uds
[19:48] <seb128> jcastro, isn't that early for that?
[19:48] <seb128> jcastro, ie we still work on getting karmic done now
[19:49] <seb128> usually we switch to uds planning after stable
[19:50] <jcastro> seb128: you do, but I don't. :D
[19:50] <jcastro> I started a month ago, heh
[19:50] <jcastro> seb128: I was just wondering if you guys had anything like that, no worries
[19:52] <seb128> jcastro, better to ask rickspencer3 about that, there might be one I'm usually late on paper tasks
[19:52] <seb128> jcastro, better to ask rickspencer3 about that, there might be one I'm usually late on paper tasks
[19:52] <seb128> gra, focus
[19:52] <jcastro> heh
[19:53] <rickspencer3> jcastro, we havne't started UDS planning yet
[19:53] <jcastro> ok
[19:53] <rickspencer3> send me mail if there's something that we want to track for Lucid
[19:53] <jcastro> ok
[19:55]  * dobey just does UDS off the cuff
[19:55] <dobey> more fun that way :)
[19:58] <pitti> jcastro: from my POV, desktop team's lucid tasks should be:
[19:58] <pitti> 1. bug fixing
[19:58] <pitti> 2. more bug fixing
[19:58] <pitti> 3. even more bug fixing
[19:58] <pitti> :-)
[19:58] <pitti> oh, and
[19:59] <pitti> 4. fending off unreasonable requests for structural changes
[19:59] <pitti> 5. improve GNOME startup speed
[19:59] <pitti> hm, and we should get rid of all
[20:00] <pitti> s/all/hal/
[20:00] <bryce__> erf
[20:00] <jcastro> pitti: you forgot ponies
[20:00] <bryce__> pitti, don't think that'll be possible this go around - X still depends on it and sounds like that won't change until 1.8-ish, maybe later
[20:00]  * dobey makes some reasonable requests for structural changes
[20:00] <dobey> just for pitti :)
[20:00] <pitti> jcastro: I suppose we will get some new crack, that's just my personal program :)
[20:01] <pitti> bryce__: oh, I thought it was on the blocker list for next release, and there's already a patch floating around
[20:01] <pitti> bryce__: we also have some other bits, like migrating the pm-utils quirks list which we should do in any case
[20:02] <pitti> bryce__: if it doesn't make it for X, it doesn't make it; but it'd be nice to be able to stop having to care about hal for another lts
[20:02] <bryce__> pitti, right the next release is 1.8.  But AIUI the patch just rips out the existing hal stuff without replacing some of its capabilities
[20:02] <pitti> bryce__: as said, it's my personal wishlist only :)
[20:02] <bryce__> e.g. we'd lose wacom (again)
[20:12] <rickspencer3> pitti, i have some structural change requests ..
[20:12] <rickspencer3> for example ...
[20:12] <rickspencer3> j/k
[20:12] <rickspencer3> though #5 might == some structural changes
[20:12] <pitti> *nod*
[20:12] <pitti> though I hope that we can just make the stuff faster
[20:13] <rickspencer3> yeah, just throw the "go fast" bit on each component
[20:14] <pitti> easy: find -name '*.c' | xargs sed -i '/sleep/d'
[20:16] <chrisccoulson> hmmmm, i just returned to my desktop to find my panels on top of my screensaver :-/
[20:42] <rrva_> What about rtkit support and pulseaudio? http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/pa-in-ubuntu.html
[20:44] <pitti> TheMuso: ^ hmm
[20:45] <pitti> obviously the bits about "all kinds of closed source and crap" is totally silly and wrong, but the two patches might require a review
[20:47] <dtchen> pitti: the patches have been reviewed. I'm working with Lennart for the first.
[20:48] <dtchen> pitti: the one I've proposed (awaiting his feedback) is at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~crimsun/pulseaudio/ubuntu/annotate/head%3A/debian/patches/0053-verify-d_address-find-device.patch
[20:49] <dtchen> pitti: the second is the disabling of flat-volumes, which was done based on user feedback.
[20:49] <pitti> dtchen: right, I still remember the second one; that seemed by and large a matter of opinion, not correctness, right?
[20:49] <dtchen> pitti: correct
[20:49] <pitti> the conflicts is a little annoying, since it's not really true, and prevents people from testing with other kernels
[20:50] <dtchen> pitti: right, I did raise that as a point last week
[20:50] <pitti> perhaps we should remove it after RC again, so that upgraders get it removed for upgrades to RC, but can install it again later on
[20:50] <pitti> also, it doesn't actually hurt to have it installed, no?
[20:50] <dtchen> pitti: it will flood syslog because the required linux patch isn't applied
[20:52] <pitti> right
[20:53] <pitti> dtchen: WDYT about dropping the recommends next Monday or so?
[20:53] <pitti> s/recommends/conflicts/
[20:54] <dtchen> pitti: I have nothing against it, but we may need to change rtkit or change linux
[20:54] <pitti> *nod*
[20:55] <dtchen> I anticipate the kernel team would push back vehemently in the case of the latter
[20:55] <pitti> would it work to just exit() when it sees that the call isn't supported? that might even be upstreamable
[20:55] <pitti> yeah, I don't think it's appropriate to add the kernel patch at this stage of the release
[20:56] <davmor2> pitti: Just a quickie evolution still isn't accepting restore from backup from a jaunty install
[20:56] <dtchen> pitti: sure, I'll ask Lennart about exit()
[20:56] <pitti> dtchen: it's dbus activated, I take it, so it might be respawned pretty often
[20:57] <pitti> dtchen: so whether or not exit() makes sense depends on how often PA contacts it
[20:57] <dtchen> pitti: yeah, that's part of the flood
[20:57] <pitti> if it talks to rtkit all the time, exit() will only aggravate it
[20:57] <pitti> if it just talks to it at PA startup, the overhead is negligible
[21:02] <seb128> re
[21:04] <pitti> hey seb128
[21:04] <seb128> hello pitti
[21:05] <seb128> pitti, how is rc looking?
[21:05] <pitti> davmor2: that sounds bad -- is there a bug report for it already?
[21:05] <pitti> seb128: buildds are grinding like mad to produce new images :)
[21:05] <davmor2> pitti: yes ages ago I dropped it on #ubuntu-release which is what I thought this channel was
[21:07] <davmor2> pitti: bug 408603 says fix released
[21:07] <davmor2> man lp is slow today
[21:12] <davmor2> pitti: fails on 32bit and 64bit
[21:30] <seb128> kenvandine, pitti: could one of you open a GNOME bug about your totem hang issue?
[21:30] <seb128> it starts and runs fine there but I've a timeframe issue
[21:32] <seb128> I've opened bug #456646 about my issue
[21:35] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i see you're getting timeouts on launchpad too ;)
[21:36] <seb128> timeouts and sometimes I'm too impatient and stop and retry
[21:36] <seb128> but launchpad doesn't handle multiple try in the best way
[21:37] <seb128> chrisccoulson, just curious but are you tracking all ubuntu bugs? desktop-bugs ones? just some components?
[21:37] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - just some components.
[21:37] <chrisccoulson> i probably should track all desktop-bugs ones really
[21:37] <chrisccoulson> but then i'd end up with as many emails as you ;)
[21:38] <seb128> I don't read all desktop-bugs
[21:38] <seb128> but I'm subscribed to quite some components
[21:38] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i need to subscribe to some more really, and do more bug triaging
[21:40] <kenvandine> seb128, sure
[21:41] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks
[21:44]  * chrisccoulson must remember that it often isn't a good idea to break on X calls in a gdb session on the display you're trying to debug
[21:46] <kenvandine> seb128, this time totem triggered an apport crash
[21:46] <seb128> good
[21:49] <seb128> kenvandine, good in the sense that a stacktrace is useful not because it crashes
[21:49] <kenvandine> hehe
[21:49] <kenvandine> yeah
[21:49] <seb128> kenvandine, let me know the bug number if you send it
[21:49] <kenvandine> there was another report that looked the same, but was marked invalid by the retracer
[21:49] <kenvandine> i am
[21:49] <kenvandine> for package versions
[21:50] <kenvandine> it's filing it against gstreamer0.10
[21:50] <kenvandine> seb128, bug 456664
[21:55] <seb128> kenvandine, that one is a libdvdnav issue
[21:55] <seb128> could be the same as bug #435968
[21:57] <kenvandine> yeah that looks very similar
[22:01] <seb128> kenvandine, do you have libdvdcss2 installed?
[22:01] <seb128> kenvandine, do you have libdvdcss2 installed?
[22:01] <seb128> ups
[22:02] <kenvandine> no, but shouldn't the codec installer guide me to installing that?
[22:02] <kenvandine> /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh
[22:02] <kenvandine> right?
[22:03] <seb128> yes
[22:03] <kenvandine> yes to which?
[22:03] <seb128> to the .sh
[22:03] <kenvandine> ok, so the codec installer shouldn't try to get it?
[22:03] <chrisccoulson> pitti - it seems to be gvfsd-cdda which locks my CD tray
[22:03] <seb128> I don't think easy codec can guide you to install not packaged things illegal in some countries
[22:04] <chrisccoulson> (or at least i can eject my CD after killing gvfsd-cdda anyway)
[22:04] <kenvandine> ok, still crashes with that installed
[22:04] <pitti> chrisccoulson: oh, for an audio CD?
[22:04] <seb128> some countries probably being mainly yours
[22:04] <kenvandine> yeah yeah... :)
[22:04] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, i've only noticed it on audio CD's
[22:04] <seb128> kenvandine, did you ever played dvd on that box? do you have a region set?
[22:04] <kenvandine> i haven't since i re-installed
[22:05] <kenvandine> totem: /build/buildd/libdvdnav-4.1.3/src/vm/vm.c:397: vm_new_copy: Assertion `0' failed.
[22:05] <kenvandine> Aborted (core dumped)
[22:05] <kenvandine> same error
[22:05] <kenvandine> however
[22:05] <seb128> I don't think region set is a software thing
[22:05] <seb128> sudo apt-get install regionset?
[22:05] <kenvandine> if i run totem several times, it works once
[22:05] <seb128> and try?
[22:05] <seb128> weird
[22:05] <chrisccoulson> pitti - actually, i can't get any CD out of the drive
[22:05] <kenvandine> it tells me my region is set to 1
[22:06] <chrisccoulson> but it seems to be different problems
[22:06] <seb128> kenvandine, ok, so that's not it
[22:06] <seb128> kenvandine, it's probably a real bug in libdvdread
[22:06] <kenvandine> seb128, very weird... sometimes it works now, sometimes it hangs, and sometimes it crashes immediately
[22:06] <seb128> kenvandine, what arch do you use?
[22:07] <kenvandine> x86
[22:07] <kenvandine> with the pae kernel
[22:07] <seb128> ok, not arch specific then
[22:07] <seb128> looking on the duplicate and google that's a frequent issue
[22:08] <seb128> hum, dear telepathy-butterfly please stop trigger apport thanks
[22:08] <kenvandine> seb128, now it is hanging everytime
[22:08]  * kenvandine comments on the bug
[22:28] <TheMuso> pitti, seb128, I'll look at that bell issue today. I have an idea what it might be, but I need to try and reproduce it locally if possible.
[22:30] <pitti> TheMuso: thanks! I primarily wondered whether a11y depends on it being on by default
[22:32] <TheMuso> pitti: No. I actually think its pulseaudio fiddling with alsa settings, but need to check.
[22:32] <pitti> TheMuso: oh, you mean for the "beep" mixer setting, not for the gconf key?
[22:32] <TheMuso> pitti: Yes.
[22:32] <TheMuso> Gconf has nothing to do with it afaik, unless a package sets it and we don't know about it.
[22:33] <TheMuso> pitti: Normally the bell mode should play the bell sound via libcanberra.
[22:33] <TheMuso> Which we do want on.
[22:33] <TheMuso> Anyway, I'll give the bug a good look over, and go from there.
[22:34] <pitti> TheMuso: cheers
[22:54] <rickspencer3> hi robert_ancell and TheMuso ...
[22:54] <rickspencer3> quick Eastern Edition meeting in 6 mins?
[22:54] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, sure
[22:54] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, nice job getting gnome updated last night
[22:54] <TheMuso> Sure
[22:54] <rickspencer3> you too TheMuso
[22:55] <rickspencer3> I was lurking for a while whilst you were working
[22:55] <TheMuso> rickspencer3: Thanks. Sorry about the lateness of my report, got kinda busy yesterday and it slipped my mind, hense sending it first thing after I got up this morning. :)
[22:55] <rickspencer3> phew
[22:55] <rickspencer3> I mean meh
[22:55] <rickspencer3> understood
[22:55] <TheMuso> hahaha
[22:55] <rickspencer3> also, I didn't send out the normal reminded
[22:55] <rickspencer3> so, no worries
[22:56] <TheMuso> Thats fine, I always make a habbit of sending my report atht ene do f my Tuesday, and yeah, it slipped my mind.
[22:57]  * robert_ancell quickly does his meeting report...
[22:58] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, did the compiz issue get solved?
[22:59] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, yes
[22:59] <rickspencer3> it was Fix Released when I woke up this morning
[22:59] <rickspencer3> just like seb128 said it would be :)
[23:00] <TheMuso> heh
[23:02] <rickspencer3> oops, meeting time
[23:02] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, TheMuso time for Easter Editin
[23:02] <robert_ancell> ready
[23:03] <rickspencer3> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2009-10-20
[23:03] <rickspencer3> it was a very quick main meeting, so this should be rather quicker
[23:03] <rickspencer3> we started with my trying to get everyone all pumped up about how great Karmic is turning out, but it devolved into some complaining about Gwibber still be crashy :(
[23:04] <robert_ancell> lol
[23:04] <rickspencer3> then we discussed the agenda, which was, any big changes that we know are coming post-RC
[23:04] <rickspencer3> so there were 2:
[23:05] <rickspencer3> 1. Going to update telepathy-butterfly to turn off A/V support and add better logging, because telepathy-butterfly is quite buggy
[23:05] <rickspencer3> this is unfortunate, as it means that msn users won't get groovy video/voice features with Empathy
[23:05] <rickspencer3> but necessary, as all it does is crash anyway
[23:06] <pitti> rickspencer3: s/turn off/not turn on/
[23:06] <rickspencer3> 2. A bunch of updates to U1 client regarding receiving data from the cloud
[23:06] <TheMuso> ok
[23:06] <rickspencer3> pitti, ?
[23:06] <pitti> rickspencer3: we update from 0.5.0 to 0.5.2, but don't turn on the new A/V feature, since it's too late for that
[23:06] <pitti> we just collect the bug fixes
[23:06] <pitti> but sorry for interrupting
[23:07] <rickspencer3> pitti, ok
[23:07] <rickspencer3> but the A/V features are there today, so I think the update hides them
[23:07] <seb128> rickspencer3, no they are not
[23:07] <rickspencer3> ?????
[23:07] <seb128> rickspencer3, they have been added in
[23:07] <seb128> 0.5.1
[23:07] <pitti> rickspencer3: not for MSN
[23:07] <rickspencer3> ah
[23:07] <seb128> we have av for jabber
[23:07] <pitti> just for jabber, etc.
[23:07] <seb128> not msn
[23:07] <rickspencer3> so I had the latest and greatest from ken
[23:08] <rickspencer3> I understand
[23:08] <seb128> that's what I tried to say during the meeting today
[23:08] <seb128> sorry if that was not clear ;-)
[23:08] <rickspencer3> well, I was confused as they are turned on for me
[23:08] <rickspencer3> but in any case, no A/V for msn users
[23:08]  * asac reveals to be here too ... now that pitti and seb128 showed up
[23:09] <rickspencer3> which is good, because it was just awful crashy
[23:09] <seb128> right, and we didn't know you didn't have enough crack in karmic ;-)
[23:09] <rickspencer3> hehe
[23:09] <TheMuso> haha
[23:09] <rickspencer3> so, thanks for the clarification
[23:09] <rickspencer3> :)
[23:09] <rickspencer3> moving on ...
[23:09] <rickspencer3> U1, desktopcouch ... some fixed coming there
[23:09] <rickspencer3> then there was a flurry of discussion around individual bug fixes, but I would rather not handle it that way
[23:10] <rickspencer3> so if  you plan to work on a bug please:
[23:10] <rickspencer3> 1. Target it to karmic
[23:10] <TheMuso> Right
[23:10] <rickspencer3> 2. set a milestone
[23:10] <rickspencer3> then I can just see the list of what we are worrying about
[23:11] <rickspencer3> so for example, TheMuso, I'm not sure but I think you were discussing bug #77010 with pitti
[23:11] <rickspencer3> it's assigned to you, I assume you will work on it
[23:11] <rickspencer3> note that I *don't* assume that every bug will be fixed, just best effort at this point
[23:11] <rickspencer3> make sense?
[23:11] <rickspencer3> hi asac, btw
[23:12] <TheMuso> Yep
[23:12] <TheMuso> rickspencer3: Not sure what bug number it is, I'll know when I read my bug mail.
[23:12] <rickspencer3> bug #435073
[23:12] <rickspencer3> so in terms of best effort, this one is assigned to asac, but it's hard to repro so it's hard to fix ...
[23:12] <asac> that bug got unmilestoned based on not-reproducible
[23:12] <rickspencer3> it may not get fixed
[23:13] <rickspencer3> so robert_ancell make sense?
[23:13] <robert_ancell> yes
[23:13] <asac> correction: that bug  might not even exist
[23:13] <asac> havent seen any reports from anyone who upgraded after beta
[23:14] <rickspencer3> asac, ok, that's fine, the point I am making is that it's best effort at this point,
[23:14] <asac> yep
[23:14] <rickspencer3> asac, should we just Invalidate the bug?
[23:14] <seb128> asac, you are not supposed to be there so shush ;-)
[23:14] <rickspencer3> or the karmic task anyway
[23:14] <rickspencer3> ?
[23:14] <asac> i think we can keep it open ... its just off the radar until we get a new dupe
[23:15] <asac> rickspencer3: the karmic task should be wont fixed i guess
[23:15] <asac> let me do that
[23:16] <asac> done
[23:16] <rickspencer3> oops
[23:16] <asac> well ... after launchpad digests this.
[23:16] <rickspencer3> I tried to also
[23:16] <asac> hehe  ... i think its ok now
[23:16] <rickspencer3> should be interesting, hopefully we won't bring lp down ;)
[23:16] <rickspencer3> ok, last thing ...
[23:17] <rickspencer3> you can start putting release notes up for stuff that you think should be documented
[23:17] <TheMuso> Right
[23:18] <rickspencer3> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/TechnicalOverview
[23:18] <rickspencer3> there's a known issues section
[23:18] <rickspencer3> okay, reallly last thing ...
[23:18] <rickspencer3> I assume that everyone has booked travel for UDS?
[23:19] <TheMuso> Yes, and details are on the wiki.
[23:19] <rickspencer3> don't answer, just do it if you haven't ;)
[23:19] <rickspencer3> any other business?
[23:19] <robert_ancell> no
[23:19] <TheMuso> no
[23:19] <rickspencer3> allrighty
[23:19] <rickspencer3> great release so far you guys
[23:19] <robert_ancell> my gdm shutdown menu patch got applied upstream.  I was expecting to have to argue that one. Very happy surprise this morning :)
[23:19] <rickspencer3> let's finish strong!
[23:20] <rickspencer3> sweet!
[23:20] <rickspencer3> congrats robert_ancell, nice jon
[23:20] <rickspencer3> job too
[23:20] <rickspencer3> we should tell Steve ;)
[23:20] <robert_ancell> yeah :)
[23:20] <seb128> robert_ancell, good work ;-)
[23:21] <seb128> let's see if they start reviewing the gdmsetup ones too
[23:21] <seb128> that would be nice
[23:21] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell will be maintainer before long if he's not careful
[23:21] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, that's ok, I don't mind being a gdm maintainer
[23:21] <seb128> lol
[23:22]  * seb128 starts pushing extra gdm bugs to robert_ancell
[23:22]  * mclasen takes notes
[23:22]  * rickspencer3 cntrl-A assign robert_ancell
[23:22] <robert_ancell> seb128, I already seem to have all the gdm bugs :)
[23:22] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, your mistake was actually *fixing* the bugs you got assigned
[23:23] <seb128> robert_ancell, excepted the keyboard ones that pitti got ;-)
[23:23] <pitti> *sigh*
[23:23] <seb128> hehe, what rickspencer3 said
[23:23]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[23:23] <robert_ancell> seb128, oh yeah, those ones looked hard.  Good work pitti!
[23:23] <pitti> thanks :)
[23:24] <seb128> you both rock!
[23:24] <pitti> (and no, I'm not going to become a gdm maintainer :) )
[23:24] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, now we have to work on getting you core dev
[23:24] <rickspencer3> or wait, that's all change, right?
[23:24] <pitti> ^ wrt to that
[23:24] <pitti> TB is currently voting on delegating upload powers to ~ubuntu-desktop
[23:24] <pitti> for packages in the desktop pset
[23:24] <seb128> \o/
[23:24] <pitti> so I think when lucid opens you guys can all just upload
[23:25] <robert_ancell> great!
[23:25] <seb128> uploads for robert_ancell and chrisccoulson!
[23:25] <pitti> and kenvandine
[23:25] <chrisccoulson> yay!\o/
[23:25] <seb128> and didrocks
[23:25] <rickspencer3> pitti, um, sounds great in general, but is *everyone* ready for that?
[23:25] <pitti> robert_ancell: that'll spoil your number of fixed bugs quite a bit, though :)
[23:25] <seb128> rickspencer3, everyone in the team yes
[23:25] <pitti> rickspencer3: we went through the ~ubuntu-desktop members and cleaned up
[23:25] <robert_ancell> pitti, damn, you know my strategy :)
[23:25] <seb128> rickspencer3, it's all the people we just listed out of current uploaders
[23:25] <rickspencer3> ok
[23:25] <pitti> http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/bug-fixing/karmic-fixes-report.html :)
[23:25]  * rickspencer3 cancels packaging upload
[23:26] <pitti> robert_ancell kicked me from #1 that I claimed in intrepid and jaunty
[23:26] <rickspencer3> I as just slipping a couple of my apps into main before karmic ships
[23:26] <rickspencer3> lolz, bughugger, etc...
[23:26] <pitti> robert_ancell: but I'm only four behind you! :-)
[23:26] <asac> how are package set defined? through seeds?
[23:26] <TheMuso> lol
[23:26] <rickspencer3> nice
[23:26] <pitti> asac: by and large
[23:27] <jcastro> I can't believe someone finally beat pitti! :p
[23:27] <robert_ancell> pitti, yeah but as you say you guys don't file bugs for each upload
[23:27] <asac> is there a way to do kind of virtual seeds to span a smaller set of packages?
[23:27] <pitti> robert_ancell: well earned either way
[23:27] <asac> technical way i mean ;)
[23:27] <pitti> asac: I think there is, cjwatson would know details
[23:27] <asac> good
[23:28] <chrisccoulson> pah, my number of fixes is split across 2 e-mail addresses ;)
[23:29] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you really rock, I only noticed the 90 ones which is already good ranking for a not full time contributor
[23:29] <seb128> I mean the top contributors are canonical employees paid to work on ubuntu
[23:29] <pitti> chrisccoulson: mine as well, mpitt@debian.org :)
[23:30] <chrisccoulson> thanks! i didn't do as well as robert_ancell though ;)
[23:30]  * pitti hugs chrisccoulson for his awesome work
[23:30]  * chrisccoulson hugs pitti and seb128
[23:30] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, hey I'm cheating doing full time here :)
[23:30] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, Amaranth, didrocks - you guys do great work
[23:31] <chrisccoulson> thanks:)
[23:34]  * seb128 hugs chrisccoulson pitti robert_ancell
[23:35]  * seb128 hugs chrisccoulson pitti robert_ancell
[23:35] <seb128> ups
[23:35]  * seb128 kicks scrolling over IRC
[23:35] <chrisccoulson> heh:)
[23:36] <chrisccoulson> time to pick another crasher to look at now i think!
[23:36] <seb128> chrisccoulson, not that you don't deserve an extra hug ;-)
[23:36]  * seb128 hugs chrisccoulson
[23:36] <chrisccoulson> heh, thanks:)
[23:36] <seb128> chrisccoulson, did you fix the g-s-d one from slangasek?
[23:36] <pitti> good night everyone
[23:37] <TheMuso> Night pitti.
[23:37] <seb128> 'nigh pitti
[23:37] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - not yet. i'm still waiting on more information. unfortunately, the trace is no good even with the --sync option
[23:37] <seb128> time to go to bed too
[23:37] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you should get some sleep too ;-)
[23:37] <chrisccoulson> because the call which triggers the error doesn't actually get a response from the server anyway, so the error is always caught on the next X request
[23:37] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i might get some sleep in a bit too ;)
[23:38] <seb128> alright
[23:38] <seb128> good night everybody
[23:38] <seb128> see you tomorrow
[23:38] <chrisccoulson> 'night seb128
[23:38] <Amaranth> yay 31 fixes
[23:38] <chrisccoulson> Amaranth - all compiz? :)
[23:38] <Amaranth> chrisccoulson: nah, at least one metacity
[23:39] <Amaranth> and gdm and gnome-session but I don't know if they count for me
[23:39] <Amaranth> all compiz related though :)
[23:39] <chrisccoulson> cool! you're the resident window manager expert here ;)
[23:39] <chrisccoulson> i'm about to look at a gnome-session bug actually
[23:40] <Amaranth> wow robert_ancell fixes too many bugs :)
[23:41] <robert_ancell> Amaranth, you fix all those nasty compiz bugs :)
[23:42] <Amaranth> nah, only about a dozen of this fixes are me, the rest are upstream
[23:45] <rickspencer3> Amaranth, btw, what happened to Shift_Alt_Tab in compiz?
[23:46] <Amaranth> WorksForMe
[23:47] <rickspencer3> oh
[23:47] <rickspencer3> hmm
[23:47] <rickspencer3> that's good
[23:47] <Amaranth> rickspencer3: Does it work for you? :)
[23:47] <rickspencer3> nope
[23:47] <rickspencer3> I don't recall when it stopped
[23:48] <rickspencer3> I didn't realize how often I over shoot when alt-tabbing :(
[23:48] <Amaranth> I can do shift-alt-tab, alt-tab-shift, and tab-shift-alt
[23:48] <Amaranth> I can't do alt-tab, keep holding alt, then press shift-tab
[23:48] <Amaranth> Is that what you mean?
[23:48]  * rickspencer3 wonders if gnome-do is stealing it?
[23:49] <rickspencer3> yes, that's what I meant
[23:49] <Amaranth> I don't know if that has ever worked, never tried it
[23:49] <rickspencer3> I can't doing any shift-alt tab things
[23:49] <Amaranth> see, that's different
[23:51] <rickspencer3> hmm, works in guest session with metacity
[23:52] <Amaranth> what switcher do you use?
[23:52] <rickspencer3> the default, I suppose
[23:52] <rickspencer3> good point though, shift works with cover flow
[23:52] <Amaranth> hmm, wtf
[23:52] <Amaranth> I can't alt-tab to chromium anymore...
[23:54] <Amaranth> and now I can't alt-tab to my terminal but can to chromium...
[23:54] <Amaranth> *sigh*
[23:55] <Amaranth> reset settings to default and now it all works again
[23:55] <rickspencer3> Amaranth, ok, something is odd, I'll log a bug
[23:55] <Amaranth> but no settings should affect that
[23:55] <Amaranth> rickspencer3: there is already a bug open about shift-alt-tab not working
[23:55] <rickspencer3> I'm looking in gconf-dedit
[23:55] <rickspencer3> oh
[23:55] <rickspencer3> ok, I'll search for a bug ;)
[23:55] <Amaranth> I can never reproduce and no one can give me any details
[23:55] <Amaranth> Their settings appear correct
[23:55] <rickspencer3> well, do you have bug # handy?
[23:56] <Amaranth> nope
[23:56] <Amaranth> and launchpad hates me today
[23:56] <rickspencer3> I see
[23:56] <rickspencer3> here's the problem, it's in gconf, I think
[23:57] <rickspencer3>  /apps/compiz/plugins/staticswitcher/allscreens/options/next_all_key
[23:57] <rickspencer3> this is set to alt tab
[23:57] <rickspencer3>  /apps/compiz/plugins/staticswitcher/allscreens/options/prev_key
[23:57] <rickspencer3> is set to shift-alt-tab
[23:57] <Amaranth> wth
[23:57] <rickspencer3>  /apps/compiz/plugins/staticswitcher/allscreens/options/prev_all_key
[23:57] <rickspencer3> is set to shift-control-alt-tab
[23:57] <Amaranth> wait, next_all_key should be switching between all workspaces
[23:57] <rickspencer3> so it works if I throw in control
[23:58] <Amaranth> that isn't the default...
[23:58] <rickspencer3> it switches between windows on *all* workspace
[23:58] <rickspencer3> wait
[23:58] <rickspencer3> I'm wrong
[23:59] <rickspencer3>  /apps/compiz/plugins/staticswitcher/allscreens/options/next_key
[23:59] <rickspencer3> is alt-tab
[23:59] <rickspencer3>  /apps/compiz/plugins/staticswitcher/allscreens/options/next_all_key
[23:59] <rickspencer3> is control alt tab
[23:59] <rickspencer3> but ...