=== korn_ is now known as c_korn [00:44] asac: when you get a moment, can you take a look at bug 455151 please? [00:44] Launchpad bug 455151 in network-manager-applet ""disconnect" wired network leaves IPv6 running, only disconnects IPv4" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/455151 [00:53] kirkland: did you build test this eucalyptus upload before uploading? (FTBFS, not sure if it's because of your change or the rash of maven syncs that's to blame) [00:55] kirkland: sigh - looks like it's the maven syncs that are to blame, yes [01:00] Hey guys, I would like to setup a secure/restrict apt repository and grant users access based on certificates [01:00] is that possible? [01:03] slangasek: ack [01:03] slangasek: i did locally build my change (as always) [01:04] slangasek: that went fine on my side [01:04] kirkland: - I'm beating up on libgoogle-collections-java now [01:04] slangasek: ttx warned me about a bunch of java changes that might hurt us [01:04] kirkland: do you understand java build systems better than I do? [01:04] slangasek: i absolutely do not [01:04] heh [01:32] kirkland: bug #455931 opened; I'm making only slow progress, it would be good to have someone who knows java looking at this [01:32] Launchpad bug 455931 in libgoogle-collections-java "google-collections update breaks eucalyptus build" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/455931 [01:32] s/java/ant/ === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying [01:40] slangasek, i'm here if you're around. [01:41] smoser: sorry, gotten sucked into this eucalyptus build failure now, and have to break for dinner shortly :( [01:41] fair. whenever you have a chance. i'm gonna be done for the night here, though. [01:42] that link i pasted above is, i think, mostly done [01:42] * slangasek nods [01:42] the promote to release should be pretty easy [01:42] i just tested this process myself today. [01:43] slangasek: hi [01:43] but, slangasek, i still need some direction at least on doing HEADER stuff. [01:43] slangasek: google-collect.jar is the symlink that may be needed [01:44] /usr/share/java/google-collect.jar -> /usr/share/java/google-collections-0.8.jar [01:45] lifeless: I think I've found where in the eucalyptus build it references this, I think we should just update eucalyptus with the new path; test building now [01:45] lifeless: thanks for looking, though [01:45] it may be an upstream change unrelated to the maven2 transition [01:45] that said, java building on debian/ubuntu is fundamentally broken :( [01:46] lifeless: it's not a new upstream version of the package [01:46] the packages represent ABI's, so the binary names should be versioned like they are for C/C++ libraries. [01:46] slangasek: ah, _fun_ [02:26] slangasek: is Ubuntu considering switching to eglibc? [02:28] what with the pluse audo support in ubuntu [02:28] DGMurdockIII: What about it? [02:28] why is so buggy in ubuntu [02:28] as opposed to in ??? [02:29] If anything its more stable then it was before [02:29] fedora [02:29] Caesar: Already switched [02:29] Caesar: Debian switched for us [02:29] Im tired of people complaining about pulse.... [02:29] I like pulse [02:30] Makes my life actually easier [02:30] dotblank: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/pa-in-ubuntu.html [02:30] dotblank: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+filebug [02:31] ii like it to if you get it working right but with my ati all in wonder hd it took my 8 hourd to get my sound to work over HDMI using the all in wonder card [02:31] DGMurdockIII: how is it more buggy? [02:33] hmm I see [02:33] well it works for me [02:34] vorian, -vmmouse is missing from main - LP #69780, #407816. [02:34] er [02:34] Launchpad bug 69780 in xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse "Please promote xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse to main" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/69780 [02:34] Launchpad bug 407816 in xorg "vmmouse should be in main (reverted to universe in intrepid)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/407816 [02:34] slangasek, -vmmouse is missing from main - LP #69780, #407816. [02:34] probably the best linux audio strategy is to ask what laptops the distro developers own and buy them [02:34] because everything always "works for me" [02:34] wow ok that is stupid why cant they use that patch? [02:34] ii like it to if you get it working right but with my ati all in wonder hd it took my 8 hourd to get my sound to work over HDMI using the all in wonder card [02:35] slangasek, I've got a commit sitting in xorg's git to add as an explicit dependency on xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse - should I upload this, or is something more needed? [02:35] i sold not have to go througt all that trouble it should work out of the box [02:37] DGMurdockIII: What version of Fedora are you comparing it against? [02:37] fedora 11 [02:37] DGMurdockIII: and what version of Ubuntu are you trying to use? [02:38] ubuntu 9.04 [02:38] Right, well 9.10 has changed a lot, so I suspect your problem is fixed in 9.10. [02:39] ok [02:40] really, to make any claim about this youd need to know how many bugs were fixed, and how many are still remaining. but its worth a shot [02:40] esp since you know it's possible to make it work === robert_ancell_ is now known as robert_ancell [03:07] Caesar: no, because Ubuntu is already switched to eglibc ;) [03:11] bryce__: which package gets the dep on -vmmouse, how much does it change our CD sizes? [03:12] bryce__: anyway, please upload and I'll have a look at it in the queue [03:17] slangasek, its uploaded, package is 'xorg' [03:18] ok [03:22] slangasek: can I have 8kb of cd space to put a missing icon in app-install-data? pretty please :) [03:23] actually it's probably way less than that compressed [03:23] really? if it's way less than that compressed, sounds like you're using the wrong image format ;) [03:24] we can spare 8k on the CDs, yes [03:29] bryce__: new files in the debdiff, not documented in the changelog: debian/local/Xsession.d/60x11-common_localhost, debian/local/dexconf.patch ? [03:30] um... is it me, or is karmic unhappy about the idea of changing timezone? [03:31] /etc/timezone seems unchanged by what i poke in system/administration/time and date - and it resets my changes to london time [03:31] works if I change it via gnome panel [03:35] bryce__: welp, the extra changes in the debdiff don't seem to imply any changes to the actual binary packages, unless they cause a build failure... so accepted, and hopefully it won't cause a build failure [03:35] slangasek, hmm [03:35] and -vmmouse promoted back [03:35] thanks [03:36] slangasek, 60x11-common_localhost I'm not sure where that came from [03:36] the dexconf.patch is stray from an earlier review, my bad. [03:37] damn git trees [03:38] slangasek, I'd like to upload a new version with these two files removed. They shouldn't be there and I'd be more comfortable if they weren't. [03:38] bryce__: ok, go ahead [03:39] jcastro: damn dude you posted a very old pic! I look thin :P [03:42] jsgotangco: and so young! [03:46] slangasek: the image format is .svg ;) [03:47] oh, yes, xml, *definitely* the wrong format >:) === Whoopie_ is now known as Whoopie [03:52] superm1: is anyone working on bug #438875, that you know of? [03:52] Launchpad bug 438875 in ubiquity "Mythbuntu expects 'enter' to be pressed at the end of install but does not show prompt" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/438875 [04:04] slangasek: is it possible to know with what revision of debian-cd the .isos have been built with? [04:04] LaserJock: I don't think that's logged anywhere, no [04:05] slangasek: darn, oh well [04:05] LaserJock: is that information actually useful anyway? Is there a public branch corresponding to the debian-cd used on the builder? [04:06] slangasek: that's going to have to be ttx [04:06] kirkland: for java? already fixed [04:06] slangasek: well, I assume so [04:06] slangasek: he's the best person for it [04:06] slangasek: oh, sorry, just reading scrollback now [04:06] kirkland: no problem :) [04:06] slangasek: sorry, been under the weather today, in and out of bed [04:07] LaserJock: that's quite an assumption; the builder is somewhat contained wrt network access, and I know the changes I make to debian-cd don't get published to the outside world as part of anything /I/ do... [04:07] slangasek: I assume http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/debian-cd/ubuntu/ [04:07] is what gets used [04:07] LaserJock: oh right, people keep repeating that URL, and I keep forgetting it :-) [04:07] (that implies cjwatson pulls periodically, then, yes) [04:08] I just expected an important change to show up and it appears it didn't [04:09] so I'm wondering if it's because of the timing of the bzr merge or if I need to dig more [04:09] sometimes I wish we had hourlies ;-) [04:09] but I'm guessing you wouldn't like that very much [04:10] on account of it not working [04:11] LaserJock: what part of the change isn't showing up? [04:11] LaserJock: part of the change is the 'Install an LTSP server' option, which should certainly be easy to confirm/deny [04:12] slangasek: yeah, problem is it's a "deny" [04:12] because bzr respects timestamps, I can't really tell whether the update was done before or after the edubuntu build; so if you don't see the boot option, I think we should just respin [04:13] slangasek: k [04:13] I need to check if Ubuntu Alternate has it [04:14] first I'll check that the seed file is there [04:14] actually, the preseed changes are there in the current edubuntu AFAICS [04:14] ok, yeah [04:15] the ltsp.seed is on the DVD [04:15] why the heck isn't it showing up [04:15] anybody have an Ubuntu Alternate daily handy to check if LTSP is in the F4 menu? [04:15] LaserJock: you're looking at 20091020? [04:15] yeah [04:16] yeah, I see the changes present in gfxboot.cfg as well [04:17] LaserJock: F4> what do you see in that menu? f4.txt doesn't mention anything about ltsp [04:17] there's f3.txt, which gives a list of boot methods; ltsp isn't mentioned there either [04:17] in previous Ubuntu releases it's been in the F4 menu [04:18] what is the F4 menu? I don't have a booted ISO in front of me, I'm trying to figure this out based on inspecting the scratch dir [04:18] the f4.txt isn't menu-y at all [04:18] it mentions 'rescue', that's it [04:19] I have: normal, safe graphics, and Use driver update disc [04:19] ok [04:19] so that's all taken from gfxboot.cfg, indeed [04:20] I don't actively understand how that's supposed to work, though, so don't know why ltsp isn't showing up [04:22] is 20091020 still being built for Ubuntu Alternate? [04:22] no, images only get built when manually triggered now [04:26] I see [04:27] well poo, why didn't this work [04:27] I guess I need to download an Ubuntu Alternate and see if it works there as the seed file, etc. are the same [04:28] LaserJock: It may be quicker to pull the debian-cd bzr branch and check there... [04:28] no, the changes in question are changes that he /pushed/ [04:28] we just don't know why they don't work [04:28] slangasek: ah ok. [04:43] ccheney: will take a look at it === vorian is now known as obama === obama is now known as Obama === Obama is now known as vorian [05:03] Hi ArneGoetje [05:04] Can you briefly explain to me the difference and similarity between ttf-arphic-{ukai,uming}? [05:10] They are just different styles, right? [05:10] I'm asking because some packages recommend uming and others ukai [05:10] slangasek: ok, so the Ubuntu Alternate from 20091019.1 has the LTSP F4 option [05:11] ArneGoetje: What do you think about making {chinese,japanase,...} fonts provide the virtual package $lang-font and encourage packages to depend on that? [05:17] brb [05:38] Laibsch: what benefit would that have? [05:38] that's like asking what benefit do virtual packages have [05:39] These packages all provide essentially a similar functionality [05:39] in different "implementations" [05:39] why depend on uming for package A and ukai for package B when in fact the dependency for a Japanese font could be fulfilled by just any Japanese font [05:40] ? [05:40] Laibsch: different fonts have different styles and are made for different usages... do you really want to mix that up by suggesting "any" Chinese, Japanese, etc. font to packages? [05:40] I doubt that the packager meant to depend on a specific style [05:40] If they do, fine. Keep that recommendation. [05:42] It's more like that in 99% of the cases the packager wants to indicate that scim will not be really usable without a CJKV font, for example [05:43] Laibsch: I would be OK with that if we limit this to desktop (screen friendly) fonts... [05:45] that includes and excludes which fonts for example? [05:46] Laibsch: includes wqy-zenhei (which is installed by default anyways), ttf-arphic-uming and exclude ttf-arphic-ukai, since that font is only suitable for high resolution devices, e.g. printers [05:52] I see [05:52] Why would scim-pinyin recommend ttf-arphic-ukai, then? [05:53] Laibsch: a package which teaches CJK characters for example, would want to recommend ttf-arphic-ukai explicitly and display the glyphs in a larger font size. [05:53] Laibsch: I don't [05:53] you don't "know"? [05:53] Laibsch: recommend scim-pinyin to use ttf-arphic-ukai [05:53] other way round [05:54] $ aptitude why ttf-arphic-ukai [05:54] i scim-pinyin Recommends ttf-arphic-ukai [05:54] judging from your explanation [05:54] Laibsch: I don't recommend scim-pinyin to use ttf-arphic-ukai [05:54] that looks like the wrong font [05:54] Laibsch: +1 [05:54] OK [05:55] ttf-arphic is not screen friendly? [05:55] ??? [05:55] ttf-arphic-ukai is not screen friendly? [05:55] Laibsch: should be changed to Recommends: ttf-wqy-zehei | ttf-arphic-uming [05:55] OK [05:55] I'll see to that [05:55] Laibsch: ttf-wqy-zenhei that is [05:56] cd [05:56] gah wrong tab [05:57] Laibsch: ttf-arphic-ukai is a Kaishu font (brush stroke), which is great for teaching how to write characters, but only looks good on high resolution devices or at larger font sizes. Something which doesn't go well with 96dpi screens and 10pt font sizes. :) [05:57] I see [05:58] For Japanese I'm basically aware of three main font categories: Mincho, Gothic and those Kaishu fonts [05:59] Laibsch: yes. For desktop/screen Gothic is preferred. Mincho is used for printed articles, Kaishu for calligraphy printings [06:00] I like Mincho for everything [06:00] It's softer and got the brushy feel to it while still being readable [06:01] Laibsch: for Chinese we have similar categories: Heiti or Yuanti (= Gothic) for screen, Mingti/Songti for articles, Kaiti for calligraphy [06:02] i see [06:06] Laibsch: anyways, for Ubuntu I don't see the need for those virtual font packages, since we ship desktop friendly fonts for CJK by default on the LiveCD. For Debian those would make sense however. [06:07] Ubuntu is not only the LiveCD [06:07] I think it makes a lot of sense for Ubuntu as well [06:07] And once it's in Debian, it's in Ubuntu, too, anyway [06:07] slangasek, i had hearrd that it was fixed at some point, but i've not confirmed it myself yet [06:08] with all the usplash changes and what not, i've seen mixed behaviors recently [06:08] Laibsch: they are dependencies of ubuntu-desktop [06:08] superm1: seems like something we would want fixed, so would be good to know whether it /is/ fixed :) [06:08] ArneGoetje: Which I for example have removed [06:09] slangasek, yeah. it should be the exact same behaviors on all *buntu disks too, nothing special for myth* [06:09] slangasek, neither 1019 nor 10191.1 appear to have ISOs in the folders though, so i'll have to defer an hour or so until 1020 is made to verify [06:10] superm1: we're in manual mode on ISO builds; best is to ask me if you see something missing [06:10] slangasek, Ah, then yes can you try to regenerate ours? the last two haven't showed up [06:10] yep, doing an ISO-only rebuild now [06:10] (i.e., using the existing lives) [06:10] livefs [06:11] thanks [06:11] Laibsch: okay... what would be the best approach for such virtual packages? [06:12] I'm in the process of opening a ticket on LP [06:12] We can then collect the fonts that should be made to provide the virtual package [06:13] ccheney: patch is good [06:13] once those changes are in Debian and/or Ubuntu, the next step is to adjust dependencies of the packages that hardwire their dependency on particular fonts [06:13] and relax that to the appropriate virtual package [06:15] i'm getting differing advice from different devs (no surprise i guess). is it best to add, say, quilt to a package if patching it or to simply apply the patch? one says add a patch management system so syncs dont break it. other says whomever's doing syncs should know to check for merging being necessary. opinions? [06:17] maco: my opinion is that if you can add a patch system like quilt or dpatch it's generally the better option [06:17] maco: The current advice is don't bother adding a patch system if Debian doesn't have one. [06:17] Laibsch: Why? [06:17] *snort* [06:17] its still a tie! [06:18] no [06:18] No, not actually. [06:18] ScottK is right [06:18] I was talking about something else [06:18] let me explain [06:19] if you really manage a package (iow you are Debian package maintainer) then it's a good idea to install a patch system like quilt or dpatch [06:19] it keeps things cleaner and more manageable imho [06:19] maco: "syncs" are a red herring; if you're patching it at all then whoever is nominating it for a sync needs to explain why those changes should be dropped, whether or not a patch system is used [06:19] but scottk is absolutely right that if Debian does not have a patch system in place and you want to prepare a ubuntu1 package, then it's probably better to patch directly [06:20] Laibsch: That's one way to do it. Using a VCS is all the rage too these days. [06:20] how is that an alternative? I use a VCS for my Debian packages, yet still use quilt when applying Debian-only patches [06:21] I don't agree that it's better to patch directly unless you *also* point the Vcs-* fields at a relevant repo [06:21] So far, I'm using then as tools for different things [06:21] Laibsch: VCS of the full source, not just a debian dir. [06:21] I see [06:21] slangasek: If you have free time, I just filed a couple of removal bugs. The gtk1.2 cleanup appears incomplete. [06:22] ScottK: currently running the unapproved queue, can have a look at those after [06:22] No rush [06:23] I'm still packaging tarball-releases only so far [06:23] I'm packaging gnucash cvs for private use [06:23] I'm sure the way I do it is a mess ;-) [06:31] kirkland: isn't this mpich2 upload missing a FFe, seeing that it's bumping sonames? [06:48] robert_ancell__: I'm uneasy with this gdm upload. switching from g-p-m to devkit, the week of RC? [06:50] robert_ancell__: or is this the 21_dkpower.patch that we already had? [06:52] robert_ancell__: right, seems that it is - that's ok then [06:52] -DI_KNOW_THE_DEVICEKIT_POWER_API_IS_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE - heh, nice [06:53] robert_ancell__: it looks like our local patch had support for hibernate in addition to suspend, though, and that's missing in the upstream code? [06:55] robert_ancell__: also, the path for at-spi-registryd is now wrong. I'm not sure that it was right before, but it's definitely wrong now, /usr/libexec isn't part of the FHS [06:56] (the prefix was configurable before, now it's hardcoded, meh) [06:56] asac, pitti: seahorse-plugins is dropping epiphany-browser in time for RC? [07:01] slangasek, well is the expected behavior that that question in bug 438875 is asked via usplash? it comes up, but it's just sitting on a plane vt [07:01] Launchpad bug 438875 in ubiquity "Mythbuntu expects 'enter' to be pressed at the end of install but does not show prompt" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/438875 [07:01] *plain [07:22] morning [07:24] superm1: I /think/ usplash is supposed to exit, then the question is supposed to be displayed [07:24] dtchen: a friend pointed me to it yesterday, shouldn't /etc/libao.conf use pulseaudio by default in the package? === NCommander is now known as NC|Mobile === NC|Mobile is now known as NCommander [07:26] slangasek, well if that's the case, then this is working "properly". i recall in earlier releases the question was actually posed via usplash [07:28] superm1: yes, the code in casper is there to do that if usplash is still running; I think that's probably worth a bug report against usplash [07:28] but doesn't seem like a blocker [07:29] slangasek, okay i'll close that original bug then and file a new one against usplash [07:29] ok, cheers [07:29] slangasek, the gdm patch should be ok because we don't use the buttons in upstream for shutdown - 22_shutdown_menu reimplements them in the bottom panel [07:34] robert_ancell__: aha, confirmed [07:34] Good morning [07:34] robert_ancell__: the at-spi-registryd bit might bear further looking into? But accepting this upload, in the meantime [07:34] * slangasek waves to pitti [07:35] slangasek: I talked about this with asac and seb128 yesterday, and the plan was to drop the recommends in the 2.28.1 upload [07:35] pitti: ok, so I should watch for that upload [07:35] slangasek: btw, tzdata 2009o is out; would you mind if I sync that? [07:35] s/watch for/sponsor/ ;) [07:35] pitti: go ahead [07:36] hey is anyone a pkg-config expert here? Bug 455614 was raised where Debian has removed a recommends from a .pc file, any idea why you would want to do that? [07:36] it seems Argentina changed rules slightly (probably for the Saint Louis special case *sigh*) [07:36] Launchpad bug 455614 in libsm "don't mess with the pc file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/455614 [07:36] slangasek, re that alsa-utils thing from the other day, i can confirm reverting debian/init back to ubuntu3 from ubuntu5 does solve the problem too. === robert_ancell__ is now known as robert_ancell [07:37] superm1: right - I haven't seen a fixed upload yet that just does this, however [07:37] slangasek, yeah i was going to confirm with you that it's okay to upload such a thing first (after I confirmed that it really did fix it) [07:37] yes, please [07:38] okay will do in a few min [07:39] slangasek: seahorse-plugins> oh, you are going to? I'll sponsor the other bits then (gdm, g-d-sharp, etc.) [07:40] pitti, asac: well, the bzr branch doesn't yet have the epiphany change [07:40] and I would have to hunt down the upstream tarball; better if someone else does it, I think [07:40] slangasek: *nod* [07:41] slangasek: I'll talk to asac about the epy change when he's up and upload ASAP [07:50] TheMuso: Do you know about the Exec field in /usr/share/gdm/autostart/LoginWindow/at-spi-registryd-wrapper.desktop? It's changed in gdm-2.28.1 but I don't know what the effect is [07:55] robert_ancell: note that for the other instance of usr/libexec in the source, debian/patches/04_fix_external_program_directories.patch fixes this up [07:57] slangasek, yeah, the thing that's got me is there is nothing providing the current path. So I'm thinking it may not make any difference what path is in there currently [07:57] robert_ancell: sure, that was my rationale for accepting it as-is :) [07:58] slangasek, :) [07:59] mvo, should the gnome-codec-install changes you pushed into bzr be released? bug 455131 [07:59] Launchpad bug 455131 in gnome-codec-install "Update to 0.4.1" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/455131 [07:59] mvo: does update-manager need an update yet to s/karmic/9.10/ for release? [08:01] seb128: do you know the plan (how) to drop epy from seahorse-plugins? there's a sponsoring request for 2.8.1, but it doesn't have that change [08:02] pitti, asac said he would work on that, I assigned the bug to him yesterday [08:02] seb128: ok, thanks [08:02] * StevenK blinks at autologin not working [08:03] StevenK, not working? [08:04] slangasek: no, but I have a change for 431473 pending [08:04] mvo: ok, cool; DistUpgrade/ReleaseAnnouncement seems ready, wasn't sure if there was anything else needed [08:05] robert_ancell: yes, the changes should be fine, I meant to do triage on the open bugs and see if there are low hanging fruits, but I did not manage to :/ [08:05] mvo: is that the right bug number? [08:05] robert_ancell: I could have sworn Moblin Remix, UNR and desktop should autologin. Moblin Remix is at gdm, and I can't login [08:05] slangasek: yeah, this time we have two release notes that we can switch more dynamically) [08:05] slangasek: bug #434173 [08:05] Launchpad bug 434173 in update-manager "[karmic] Regression from 9.04 in getting fully translated Ubuntu installation" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/434173 [08:06] mvo: good plan :) [08:06] mvo: ah yes, that bug number looks much better :) [08:06] StevenK: 2.28.0 or 2.28.1? [08:06] (not that it should matter, from what I saw of the code) [08:06] * StevenK checks [08:06] Hm [08:06] "unknown user: ubuntu" [08:06] I suspect this is my own problem [08:06] Nevermind :-)( [08:07] mmk [08:07] robert_ancell: I actually shipped a .desktop file in the at-spi package to work around the incorrect path given in the gdm wrapper desktop file, thinking that that file would be gotten rid of from gdm. [08:08] TheMuso: heh; so we can go on ignoring it, I guess [08:09] slangasek: works for me. [08:09] TheMuso: please check that things still work as expected with the latest gdm, in any event :) [08:09] slangasek: It doesn't break anything, noting from that desktop file gets started [08:09] slangasek: Will do. [08:10] * StevenK suspects the initrd he built is broken === porthose is now known as porthose|afk [08:18] cjwatson: I just installed Ubuntu from the LiveCD with en_US as target language into a VM. Ubiquity pulled all the language-support and translation dependencies, but at 97% of the installation it purged some of them again together with all the other unused langpacks... [08:21] ArneGoetje: was there anything in the latest ubiquity that should help there? I don't remember [08:23] slangasek: it is supposed to call check-language-support and install all the packages it gets fed from there... and it does that. I just don't know why some of those packages get marked for deletion afterwards. [08:24] slangasek: namely language-support-writing and its dependencies. === robert_ancell_ is now known as robert_ancell [08:28] ArneGoetje: right; no idea then, sorry [08:29] superm1: do you know if bugs 432660, 447204, 447395, 447413 need reopened on alsa-utils then? (Bugs that were closed with the -2ubuntu4 upload) [08:29] Launchpad bug 432660 in pulseaudio "Master, Headphones and PCM muted at reboot" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/432660 [08:29] Launchpad bug 447204 in alsa-utils "alsactl restore interferes with PulseAudio's volume restore" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/447204 [08:29] Launchpad bug 447395 in alsa-utils "[Karmic] Randomly boot without sound" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/447395 [08:29] Launchpad bug 447413 in alsa-utils "No sound (Dell XPS 1330M)" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/447413 [08:33] asac: ping [08:35] slangasek, hey [08:35] seb128: hello [08:35] slangasek, so we are mostly there for GNOME, we still have bug #455900 to fix before rc or karmic [08:35] Launchpad bug 455900 in compiz "closing launched windows does not return focus to original windows, this is bad for accessibility" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/455900 [08:36] and I'm not sure dxteam wants an updated notify-osd, MacSlow has been fixing bugs in a karmic bzr apparently [08:36] otherwise I think we are done from the desktop side now [08:37] seb128: ok, great! [08:38] seb128: that doesn't include seahorse yet, though? [08:39] slangasek, oh no, waiting news from asac for this one since he wanted to port to xul 1.9.1 [08:39] he said he would do that yesterday and upload [08:39] asac: ping? [08:41] pitti: hum, no builders currently building karmic on i386 or amd64? anything that needs looked at there? [08:42] ah, official builders are all "Building private source" [08:55] whois sistpoty [08:55] He doesn't seem to be online [08:56] hi people, if PA wrongly detects my sound card, where in the source I should look at and against what I shall report the bug? [08:56] Laibsch: [18:56] [Notice] -NickServ- Last seen : Oct 11 14:49:01 2009 (1 week, 1 day, 17:07:04 ago) [08:56] quite a while [08:56] PA wrongly detects my sound card = it doesn't appear in Volume Settings => Output [08:56] thanks, Hobbsee [08:56] Laibsch: you're welcome [08:57] Laibsch: He was here yesterday. [08:58] 16:56:20 *** sistpoty|work n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty has quit ["Back to work, really."] [08:58] From yesterday. [08:58] (UTC timestamp) [08:58] pecisk: What version of Ubuntu are you running? [08:59] Karmic Koala last updates [08:59] pecisk: Hrm ok. Do you happen to have the sl-modem daemon running? [08:59] TheMuso, not on this computer [08:59] pecisk: is there more than one user session active on the system, does your session show up in the output of ck-list-sessions, does getfacl /dev/snd/pcm* show your user? [09:00] TheMuso, there was laptop with sl-modem and there also Karmic didn't show sound card [09:00] but this is computer ir different matter [09:00] slangasek, one sec [09:00] slangasek, there is only one user [09:00] :) [09:03] pecisk: You could try disabling pulseaudio auto-spawning, killing pulseaudio, and restarting it... [09:05] pecisk: what about the other two questions? [09:07] slangasek, I can't find getfacl command [09:07] shall I install something? [09:07] pecisk: the 'acl' package [09:07] Running "getfacl" should tell you this. [09:07] slangasek, what ck-list-sessions should show? [09:07] pecisk: your user's session [09:07] No command 'getfacl' found, did you mean: Command 'getfacl' from package 'acl' (universe) [09:07] slangasek, then it shows it so [09:07] Or some such. [09:08] pecisk: ok [09:08] installing acl... [09:08] soren, it tells you the apt line for copy/paste as well :) [09:09] ogra: Yeah, I thought so. It just didn't for me, since I already had it installed :) [09:09] yeah [09:10] slangasek, getfacl gives me report about all pcm devices and it shows that user:peteris has rw- for all of them [09:10] in fact [09:10] ok [09:10]